Door Bumper Clear - 329 | Kansas: Larson Says, “Hold My Beer!” & The Return of Joel Edmonds

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Casey Boat, Freddie Kraft, T.J. Majors, and Brett Griffin are joined by one of last year’s most popular guests, Joel Edmonds, to break down the closest finish in NASCAR Cup Series history. How accurate is the painted start/finish line on the track? Did Denny make a mistake by calling his shot on winning the championship this year? Is Ryan Preece in trouble after being excluded from a study group at SHR? Plus, will we see a Cup race at Bowman Gray? Episode Highlights: The Invisible Finish Line SHR’s Secret Study Group Cup Racing at Bowman Gray? Denny Calls His Shot Iconic Sponsors: Then vs. Now   Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter of the six cup car. and I had ARCA this weekend and truck. So I'm Saturday with the ARCA car. T.J., did you blame me for the Jimmy Johnson wreck? Now, someone told me, somebody what happened and they said the 33rd.

Earl come down there and said that you blame my driver. Somebody walked by and said the same thing. Brett Griffin, Spotted for Austin Hill yesterday. We did not wreck Jimmy Johnson. Let's clear the air on that right now. Freddie, what's up? What's up? Unfortunately, I think it might have been my fault.

I was close, too. for Bubba Wallace. And I think that Jimmy lifted reacting to us damn near stuff in the fore in the fence and get a little, we had a little rub and some smoke there. And that was my fault because I thought Bubba was committed to the middle. And all of a sudden he started dart right. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. But that Corey would just sit down really got me there. But what's up, Casey?

Hello, Casey Boat back from Kansas with what, quite possibly the was the closest finish in NASCAR Cup series. history. What did y'all think of the race? I'm back from Kansas with a coffee cup with Tito's and water in at 9.30 to morning, thanks to a good friend of mine that, man, we've had a cocktail or two over the years. My buddy Joel Edmonds, fishing spotter on Twitter, probably the happiest guy you'll ever meet in your life.

Yeah. Undoubtedly. Yeah. I mean, when this was, if we got more requests for Joel to come back than I think any other guests we've ever had in the history of this show. That's sad. I really don't remember anything you said on the show because I was drunk the last time you were here. It doesn't look like this episode will be much different.

Joel's got two beers in front of them, a bloody Mary. A cooler about my right foot. TJ even knows this. You know, he's the data data king. Like, you were the second most popular show last year when you came on here. Wow. And it took something pretty spectacular beach. It was that Josh Williams parking on the front stretch and walking off.

And I like that show too. You know, it's kind of strange. I couldn't believe how popular it got and it was just us being us you know so maybe maybe I found my calling or something Mayberry podcast so for those of you who don't know Joel

a long time spotter in the sport spent the most years in his career spotting for the legendary Greg Biffle Hall of Fame nominee. Yesterday you came out of a partial retirement to spot for Riley Herbst Yep Riley's doing four races this year at Rick Ware

and great kid you know, he's trying to figure out what he's going to do next, trying to get some Sunday stuff going. And obviously, I'm not there every week anymore, but I did find out that there's a lot of stuff going on. I mean, silly seasons, usually about 10 races from the end, three races from the end. I never heard as much stuff in the last two days.

I mean, it's ramping up. There's some stuff going on. Share the shirt. Yeah, what's the best thing you heard of? Since I'm part-time and I'm trying to do two more. And every time I show, have y'all notice it rains? Every time you get there. Yeah, I rained out of Daytona and yesterday I was sitting there and it just kept building.

I was texting you. Stop coming. Oh, yes. And what's your next two? I got Richmond. Yeah, I'll tell you guys, I got Richmond in Nashville for a cup. And this past weekend, yep. And, oh, yeah, famous for rain.

Can I make a request for Nashville that we just all stay over and do a show live there Monday morning somewhere? I'm staying no matter what. Because I'm staying no matter what, too. Hey, I can do whatever if I can get a dog sitter. I'll send Meg up to your house But yeah that'd be fine I'll bring him down Let Moses have him for a couple days

But I had Cam Waters in the truck this week Because I do the 66 It runs part-time for Thor Sport He is the You guys should talk because he's a He's from Australia Yeah, it's from Australia It's from Australia

Super nice guy I did him at Martinsville And we ran good Until we knocked the radiator out of it Which was probably 60% of my fault Because they were check it up, check it up And we picked one of our teammates up and crammed him into the outside wall.

But he, I think, is the forward answer to the SVG. Yeah. And I think he's, you know, this was the first mile and a half he's ever run. And we tried to start getting going. And I said, can he run the top? You know, because we're going to, when we get rid of quag, he said, no, he don't run the top. He won't run it in the simulator.

So I knew it was going to be a challenge. But we'll get to that later because we, I think there was an episode towards the end. Somebody said. I was like on the elevator. I seen him in. In Martinsville, I thought he did a really good job. And you could see, he was, a lot of times guys are intimidated by Martin'sville because it's, you know, just long straightaway.

And you've got to stop. And he was charging entry. I was like, wow, he's got that down Pat. But that might come back to bite him at some point. And eventually. Well, it was me too. We went out in about five laps at Martin's when the crew chiefs like, hey, what? I said, he's just kind of slipping up on it.

Next thing I know, I'm like, hey, bud, you got to come back about a car length in the half area. You can't go that far. Yeah. Did you learn any new lingo on the radio? You know, just the mate, you know, because you never get mate back from anybody, you know, but it was like, 10-4 mate, you know, or. Yeah. He's, you know, you can tell whatever that series they run is over there, they do the same as us, you know, because they're good with their fans, they're good with their, you know, getting the stuff on and off.

And, I mean, he's a quick learner. I mean, I thought for a mile and a half, he did pretty, same with Riley yesterday. I didn't realize that, but Herpitz has run some cup races, we all know, but that was his first mile and a half. Oh, really? So he's super nervous, you know, because it's a total different deal. I mean, I feel like I could run a speedway for until somebody checked up. We got a great percent of a race. We could.

You know, yesterday, Riley, obviously, struggled a little bit, but to your point, it's its first race. And if you're off the smallest bit, you're buried in the pack and not getting out of it. Yeah, we got towards the end, we were at the back. Obviously, we qualified back there. And they came up on us, got us lapped. and he made one mistake and touched the wall, but then later on in the race, you're running between fifth and sixth.

I'm like, hey, bud, that's fifth and front, six behind, and unless you let them by, they can't get by. Yeah. And he raised respect. You know, he did good, so just trying to get lapsed, trying to get them all. We got all we could. Yeah, I think we were about three off, but.

I got a question for all, y'all, so we fired off every run on stickers after a caution or stage break really tight. And obviously we'd go out there and run 30, 35 laps, and then we would pit. And then we would come back out on stickers under green. And the last half of that run, we would trend really loose. Like the handling of the car changed completely from, you know, new tires starting under green versus pitting and coming out under green. Did y'all's cars change a lot under the green flag cycle versus not? Well, our Bubba said yesterday, which we were not very good yesterday.

Was your answer for you? I said, but. Oh, I thought the other one. It might have been a f***. He should have what I thought I heard. I was getting ready to say something else, but like our car wasn't very good yesterday. But let me tell you some, if that race would have gone a hundred laps where we couldn't pit, Brad Keselowski was going to blow everybody's doors off.

Oh, yeah. Because he would be, he would struggle for, and it got better the first half of the run. But the first, like the first two runs, he would struggle pretty bad for about 20 laps. And then here he comes. And it wouldn't, like, he'd be a straightaway back. And I'm like, all right, six is coming again. And he'd blow by us and drive by three more. guys.

I don't see Grimes and split her off here. He's going to be up here in about 15 laps. But the problem was him, the runs weren't long enough. You're only running 30, 40 laps at the time, and then he would never. Well, we had a really bad day on, like, just on pit road cycle of stuff.

We had got blocked in, had to come back in and tighten a wheel up just to make sure. And the last restart before the very end there, we restarted 26th. Wow. And we drove to fourth. And that was still going to be with Denny and Chris

had to pit still. Martin was going to win that race, and we were probably going to finish second. And we weren't going to catch Martin. We were about three seconds behind him, and I think we were three-tenths fast in my lap with seven to go. And that's when the caution came out. And, but yeah, we got a little bit better. We just didn't have track position. Like we couldn't restart 13th or something like that.

The one time we did, we did fall back pretty hard. But like, Freddie was say it would come on. I mean, we were like, the lap times we would run at the end of a run. Like, we're ridiculous. My favorite part of the race watching it. was stage three. You're supposed to be spotting. You were just watching.

I was watching. I was watching for a much part. I'm a fine. That'd be that explained when we almost got. That's why you wrecked Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. I wrecked Jimmy Johnson.

I read Corey Joy. I almost wrecked Harrison Burton. But like stage three, you know, we start that stage and obviously there were a lot of cautions. But at the end of the race, that's the most laps. The majority of guys had on their tires the entire time because we had pitted so early and just literally try to make it on fuel. And I kept telling Austin, so-and-so's in the fence, no caution. Like, I bet 10 guys in those last five laps before that last caution came out,

that was the best racing I had seen all night. If you look, there's pictures of Larson's right front coming apart. I know Ty Gibbs had a right front come apart. Something happened to the 77. I don't know if he pitt under green. I don't know if he had a tire coming apart. So, like, there was guys having issues. To your point, I mean, I watched Redick.

Reddick was bouncing off the wall of that round every lap. Reddick bounced off every wall, every corner. Every week. Nobody loves this car more than Tyler Reddick because he would have done the old car. It would have been done. Like, he'd be done. I threw home with him. He looked pretty tired when I saw it.

I want to see his mouthpiece thing. Well, we always talk about let the talent of the drivers be shown. And a lot of times in this car, that's not necessarily the case. But when those guys are bouncing off the fits nonstop, we know they've got their hands full. And, I mean, we were talking they had, what, 55 plus laps on their tie. It was, man, it was awesome. Well, yeah, we were trying to go 70 laps on fuel. Yeah, you're, because everybody pitt the last minute except for the couple of them guys.

And with Tim to go, man, it was like, holy cow, this is freaking awesome. I don't know why those ones stayed out that they did, like Chris and Danny and all that. We were going to make it. We were going to, we were going to, we were going to, we were going to, we were going to, we were, we, we, all they'd said, just like with 10 and then. You might have been. We were saying. There was a couple. There was a couple.

There was a couple of them were. Unless they were, I mean, we were, we were, we were, all they'd said just like with 10 and go maybe right before that caution came out. They said back up to 90% throttle on the back. I was told they were getting ready to pit. I mean, that's possible. We were, when we came out, they said we were one short, right on our number, just save a little bit here on their caution.

We should be fine. I mean, I think obviously all of us were banking on another yellow. I think everybody's goal in that point was cycle. We were 26th. We cycled to fifth. You're hoping to get some track position, get a caution in 10 laps and you're still running 10th, and now you've reset. I'm sure that's what.

Danny was back there with us. Chris was back there with us because he had a penalty. so them guys were just trying to flip the, you know, because if you just do what everybody else does, run it 26, you're never going to even sniff the front again. Danny would have never. Well, that's not true. I showed you that.

Well, yeah, but Danny would have never been, you know, I don't think Danny would have to draw, which I thought Danny had the best car. It's hard to get through. You have to catch something right to make that back up. And it, like, the, the mid-pack on them restart. Did you just say, yeah? Yeah, it happens a lot here.

The mid-mid-pack on those restarts was insane. He used to have us many out of the blue F-bomb. Sorry. Well, that's a short night. And, hey, your previous question, our car didn't change much. No, you just, you were standing. Yeah, our tire wear was really good, too, like even, I mean, we were really good across the board, so we didn't have the issues, which tells you. I really couldn't tell you, because my guy is just trying to learn.

And it's kind of funny, like, you run through the run, you start out and you think you're something. And then at the end, you think you're something else. Yeah. He gave good feedback for what he could do, but he's like, I'm just trying all I can. Plus, he's trying to learn there. Same as the guy on Friday. but does anybody else does race as good as Kansas?

I mean, it's kind of like Michigan. You just all, you can run all over the place. Well, I mean, right now, it's trending to be the best race ever on Jeff Gluck's poll, which it might fall a little bit. I think it's last I heard was like,

Jeff said, it was 97% when I voted. Wow. And 96% percent. No, 6.2 right now. Let me vote. Let me vote. I haven't voted yet.

Let's get out of your vote, Joe. So right now it's 962. The highest ever was 957. But even with the way this car handicaps everybody, they still race good. You know, that just tells you how good everybody is and how close it is. Oh, yeah, the biggest thing I think is it's so close that if you find just a little bit of something, it's going to make a big, I mean, look at the 2311 cars, I think they weren't, we weren't, I mean, we were won three of the four last races there and we were just. They had you guys favored to probably win the thing.

We were not very good yesterday. Tyler was flashy, you know, good at times, but I don't know that he had a car to win the race. was the best when he pitted that 10 laps later. But then he looked because he drove back through a bunch of them. Yeah, we tried that too. And our car wasn't good enough to do with Tyler's. But you're scared to do that too because, you know, you see one guy come. Like, Priest is the first guy to come.

We were running around him. We were actually ahead of him, maybe a couple football fields. He comes a lap before us. I'm telling Buga, you know, now the leaders are coming. So we pit. And then I get down and there's Freddy sitting in his box. And I'm like, appreciate that. Whoops.

You know, because I's, you know, because I's. And I'm telling, you know, Riley's races every week, but I'm like, if their left sides are up, you know, this is going to be quick. Yeah. And I see it. And I'm like, oh, and we barely slipped through. And I'm sure you guys were having to wait on us. I mean, it's really hard for all that to be going, especially for a part-time guy.

You know, I come in and I'm trying to, I don't want to. So what happens with that, you know, and you see, like, say the, ideally the fastest way to run that stage is, it's 80 laps, 40 and 40. Yeah. You know, but then what happens is you get an advantage if you pit sooner. So then guys went, all right, if I pit at 35, I'll have an advantage on the guys that pit at 30. Now it's, if I pit at 33, I'll have an advantage on 35. Well, if I pit at 31, so eventually then it becomes we're going to pit too soon.

You know what I mean? So where you can run back to 40 again and now you're going to catch that guy that pit at 28 or 29. And there's one guy that's going to go long. Yeah. And if the caution falls his way, everybody else is going to go. Yeah, Krause. I mean, Krause ran, I don't even know, like 50 laps, probably 50 something laps of that first run. I mean, they caught him and passed him for the lead, and he was screwed once the yellow didn't come out.

Right. And he spent the rest of the race a lap or two down. But, you know, if they catch a caution there, they're running last at the time where, you know, not maybe in 20, you know, 30th or something like that. Yeah. Like, if you catch your caution at the right time, we saw the 31 last week or the way I think it was, you know, he just, he caught a caution and cycled to the top 10. But, yeah, that's, so that's what, that's the strategy now is everybody realizes the faster I pit I got an advantage. The earlier I pit I got an advantage. but now it's starting to get to the side where maybe it's too early.

Oh, I like it when they do that because we're usually better in the long runs. My grandma used to use a word umpteen. Do you all know what that means? TJ, you're a Yankees. That's a lot. I don't know what the umpteen time. Umpteen means a lot, but we don't know how many. I don't know how many umpteen rain delays we've sat through, but I've never seen that

mile and a half track drive that fast as yesterday. But they must have done a really good job of staying ahead of it because when they Oh, they did. Credit to Kevin Harvick. Kevin Harvick, some rumor, some rumor, some rumor went around the spotter union that Harvick said, it's going to stop raining at 4 o'clock, we're going to be racing at 5 o'clock. And I was like, he's crazy. And this was at quarter of the 3.

Yeah, when this got to our car. It's just like, yeah. Okay, I'm going to sleep a little bit. And I was like, if it stops raining at 4 o'clock, there's no way in hell this place is ready at 5 o'clock. You ain't dry in Martin for an hour. No. No.

I was sitting in the Penske van with them guys, and literally, 3.58, it stopped raining. I go, well, he nailed the time on the stop rain. I said, but there's no way we're going. When did the snacks come to your van? It was probably about 3 o'clock. And then, I don't know, an hour later, we're in the car, and I'm like, I can't believe y'all let Ken snacks get out of here. But then, like, so 3 o'clock literally, so then I'm texting with Pratt, and there's

some guys that were at lunch. I was at a barbecue restaurant, by the way. You weren't the only one that wanted to try. We were begging Andy to leave. We were begging him. Let's go eat. Let's go. No, no.

No, because he, uh, Timmy kind of handed the handbook to him and Raines kind of, and I was riding with them guys this week. But they were scared to leave. I was ready to eat. And I was still ready to eat. And then I didn't get no food coming home. I was texting bread.

I said, what y'all eating? He said, we had sandwiches. No sandwiches. I ain't got nothing. Which I did have about three beers. All of a sudden, like, right after it stopped raining, it was a text come out. Oh, it was quick. And it was like 430, you know, cruise to the cars, 445 intros.

five o'clock anthem, let's go. And I was like, holy shit. I went to the roof. After it started raining the pretty hard at first time, I had to use the bathroom. I had to go pee because we were all sitting in cars, drinking our drinks and stuff and hanging out. Sitting in our cars drinking.

Yeah, waters. And so I went up there, and I went look to the track, and I was like, the thing was 80% dry still. Like, whatever they did, I don't know. They did a great job. You can always text Jason Jarrett. Jason Jarrett has it all. Oh, yeah.

That's what Andy, you know, I said, let's go eat. He said, let's check with Jason. Jason said drying pretty fast. So we weren't moving. You know, it's a wheel chock. Oh, that was it for you. It was a wheel chock.

You think you're tough in this deal. And I, like I said, I did it 33 and a half, four or five years here, whatever it is. And you land at 120 or whatever it was. We were all texting back and forth. In the morning. And you're pissed off, you know, because it's late. And you go to get a little beef jerky because you didn't get nothing to eat. And 87-year-old Dale Inman is at the gas.

gas station and just kicking your ass, beat you in the bathroom, makes it in there, comes out, you know, just... You don't hear that? What happened? No, you're not. Sorry. Brett's phone. My phone's vibrating.

But, you know, God bless that guy. You know, he's 87 years old and comes out and he's like, hey, how you doing? How far are you got from here? You know, we were right at the airport at the gas station. I said, I got about 50 minutes or something. He said, I got about an hour 20. We'll see you later. I mean, how is he?

The one year. Eighty-seven. The year, I mean, fixing it'd be 88. This was probably five years ago, but at the time he's still 81, 82, I said something about, they weren't on the plane for Daytona. You know, we're going to Daytona. And I said, where the hell's Dale and Richard? This is when I was spotting about about the 43.

I said, where's Dale and Richard? Ain't coming? He said, I don't know. The two of them are driving down today. I was like, the two of them are driving down there? Yeah, because that we ain't going to run a car all the way. I mean. I'm like, do they need to be driving all the way to Daytona today?

I don't need to be driving. I don't need to be driving right now. I know we got plenty to talk about, but I want to have, we called, the three of us called a world of crap after Atlanta for not praising how great of a, quote, race it was, right? So I want to ask y'all, all three of y'all, what took more talent as a driver to win and put on a great show? Yesterday at Kansas or Atlanta? From a driving perspective.

A thousand percent yesterday. Yesterday. day. Like I said, I can race at Atlanta. You could. I'd like to see that. Don't be a clown. No, you wouldn't. I rode in the right seat of Atlanta one time, and that's pretty, but I mean, seriously. The old Atlanta.

Yeah, the old Atlanta. I ran around in a, whatever, in the right seat of a car. But the hold it wide open deal, and like I said, we were, we ran some laps with that 99 yesterday. And this is a guy that's already in a chase, and he's back there with me, air blocking me. and I'm three laps behind him. They don't even matter. You know, and I got a guy trying to learn. And I'm like, are you serious?

I mean, he's serious. I see another line. Oh, yeah. And his guy's about two down from me looking at his phone. Texting. My point of that is we catch crap for perspective. And everybody looks at this race from a different lens. Every race from a different lens.

And from my lens yesterday, this was a phenomenal race track to put on a phenomenal race. with a car that is subpar in a lot of places that was dead on nuts yesterday. And that's why we weren't jumping up and down about Atlanta because we knew the talent level that it took to win. It's a play race. It was a play race. Oh, I remember y'all had a little dust up about what, you know, after that race, what it happened.

This is what it is what it is. The girlfriend, Schwarz's girlfriend got real mad at us. They're getting married. Anyways. But Casey, real quick, though, like driver talent yesterday. Must be Casey's friend. I didn't know. I'll tell you yesterday when Larson made that move to the top

and three and four, when he got to Buster's right rear, like the talent level for that versus the last lap that we saw in Atlanta, night and day difference inside of that cockpit. It's 100% of what you saw when Carl Edwards tried to drive by Jimmy Johnson on the apron

the race he did, but just at the different, you know, at the other end of the track. How is there a room for him to get up there? And I know, you know, like, you're trying to say clear and you want the guy to move two lanes over. You just can't just pick up move over. You can't swat the wheel like 1979, these things with kale in there. You know, just, but what a, how did he get

there? How could you put your car there, you know, in that dirty air? And then you squeeze in there. What, what's Larson feeling to try to put that thing on the exit ramp above a guy? Both of them, man. I mean, they're like, yeah. And then he's on his right rear. Yeah. And they both stay in the gas. And they did a little beating and banging down the straightaway it looked like. But I just don't know. And it's obviously. Monday morning quarterback. Like, I feel like if anybody on the racetrack, you can't let Kyle Larson get to the top

or even leave him a lane. You know, like, that's probably his preferred lane has been running there all night. You know what I mean? And to Chris's credit, I mean, he ran him clean. He could have easily, you know, squeeze him in the fence or something.

I would go see what happened. And I think Chris, I think Chris probably is going to win the race if Larson doesn't hang a left and just door the fuck out of it coming down to first straight away. I think you're right too, because he saw what it was. He hit him real hard.

I think there was a couple contacts. He turned off the while. He chased him down and touched him again at the start, finish. But, I mean, I would rather see it race like that and the guy block. I know the blocking deal is going to happen. It is a part of what this deal is now and is going to be. But the talent that these guys have to do what they're doing with the way this car drives from what I hear, I have the idea. I see, you know, that you can catch somebody and you get, you know,

they show those old videos where you got Berton, Jeff Burton down on just mowing somebody over off the corner. You can't do that now. I don't care who you are. You better be offset somewhere. You better have your headlight out or something out somewhere getting some air on something because you can't just run right. We talked about one last night. We had been mired mid-pack pretty much all race. And we cycled to fifth, I think, on the, when everybody stayed out there late.

And we were talking about like, listen, you know, even up here, If you want to enter turn one wide open, if you do, you cannot be directly in the tracks. 17 is in front of us. We said, you can't be in his tracks. You have to be offset one way or the other or you can't run wide open. Those are you going to think you got a tire day? Or the splitters on the ground. Yeah, I think if Chris knows that Larson is going to hit him twice, he probably maybe slides up

another couple feet in the middle of the corner. This is what we talked about with Ryan C. Texas, was it? Two nice. Nice guys finish second. What a race, though. I couldn't understand why he changed lanes at the very end. You know, it's crazy.

Nobody can run up off the bottom. Love Seek, spot him for him for years. You know, I love seeing him in. But when he moved up or he'd been up and then when he moved down, I'm like, what are you doing? Then the guy's beside you. Yeah. Go ahead, Casey. I heard you over there.

Oh, you're good. No, let's go back to that finish because I feel like there's a few people who still think Bisher won. And there's been some comments about the finish line being painted crooked. what the final result of that race was based off the picture. What did you guys think about that? And how should we move forward now knowing what these finishes look like? Well, I tweeted the first thing about when, you know, they got the cricket, you know,

maybe we get a better paint crew. And that's just, you know, you're running your mouth on the way to the airplane. But give us something. If that view, give us the view from wherever that camera's at. You have to have a line. And I mean, I appreciated the guys that stay there and showed us what it was in the timestamp. And you got to have all that. But the fans, us standing above it, we don't see all that.

We're going by that little line, you know, that people have painted. Or the pylon. You're going by that, the pylon. Maybe that's why they're tearing it on the fias out of it. And the transponders at the back of the car. Taring the pylines down because they're wrong. We don't want to. We don't have any confusion.

I didn't realize. And see, somebody like me with no technology, that's my lap counter. So when we watched Atlanta, it took forever to know who won a race. And, I mean, it is what it is. And what I don't understand about it is it's 2024 and on any other sports cast, when we're watching NFL, do they put a fake first in 10 or second and eight or whatever line out there so you know where the first down marker is? Yes.

So how the fuck are we in 2020? But it's pretty accurate. It's accurate. How are we in 2024 and we don't have the capabilities of showing a live? laser, A, across the track for the people that are in attendance, and B, for the TV audience. Because T.J. just said, as we entered this particular part of the discussion, and I think Joel was talking, he said, it's a fake finish line. Is that what you said? Yeah, it's for, yeah. I mean, it's not, the line isn't where they hear. It's a facade.

It's not transparent to the audience that is watching and to the audience that's in attendance or to the spotters that are calling the race or anything else. So now, as a competitor, we don't even really know where we're racing to. And obviously, this is the closest finish in NASCAR history. It's like the restart zone. It is. Do you go here or do you go there? Where do you go?

There's so many factors here. But my struggle is in this day and age, the technology is present. And if it's not present, you've got a bigger problem to be transparent and show. I mean, the second the Kentucky Derby finished, by the way, it was a phenomenal Kentucky Derby, three-wide finish. We knew once they showed the photo finish, whose nose was ahead of who. and then when you look at the NASCAR piece, like the camera angle could be funky.

Marsen tweeted. I think he tweeted like a picture of that finish in his something. How is the finish line crooked? It's not. Here's how I'm driving to the airport and I'm trying to stop and grab a beer. Turns out they don't serve beer after 8 o'clock and gas stations out there. If it's a 1% chance of rain on race day. Get ahead and fuel up.

I'd get it before the race. I do not chance it Because you might land Especially when you get a rain You know the rain delays So after a 30 minute You know drive to the airport And you can't find a beer

I get on the plane The first thing I see is You know Gluck Tweeting about a crooked finish line And then a photo where There are two lasers out there And obviously you can see at that point That Larson was

It looked like two inches to me ahead But our fan base And we Deserve to see that, Freddie So Way faster than we did see it Well the thing what I will give them credit for this week, they announced it immediately to the 5-1.

I hadn't even turned my radio. Yeah, I was in the L. They had got to the elevator. They said, five's the winner. And I'm looking at the board and I go, damn, the 17. And if you go back and listen to the five's audio, they're like, damn, we lost. You know, they're like, you know, we ain't, oh, well. And you got the 17 guys jumping up down on the road.

I mean, Kim Coon, on the radio broadcast, Kim Coon has got a microphone in Scott Graves' face when Scott Graves finds out that he didn't win the race. They, you know, the MRN's calling it, or is it, or is it MRN? the MRN, you know, they're calling it for the, you know, for 17's one. Everybody down here's elated. We're getting ready to get a word with Scott Graves. And all of a sudden, Graves is like, you hear Graves in the back row go, they just had the 5-1.

And she's like, oh, okay, can't get back up to the booth or whatever. That's not good. You know, but immediately. His interview was really nice, too. I didn't see it. He was. You know, some of those would be tougher from different people, but he was. Yes, Scott's a great guy.

You know, he's been around. I think he got his first win. with Busher maybe in Nick Finity and went somewhere and came back. I think the biggest problem is all these tracks now, some of them sell sponsorship on the start-finish line.

So you have this big... Well, you've got the fans out there signing. Yeah, I mean... So if you're a fan of your guy runs the top and Brett's guy runs the bottom, you need to bring a white sharpie to next week and start painting it. Whiteout.

Remember one white out was the name? I got white out still. The line is wide. Obviously the line is much wider than that, you know, laser lines. So I think there's a way. There's got to be a way now.

It doesn't have to be a damn laser shooter. You should be able to, all right, here's where our laser is, mark it, and there should be a definitive line, whether you put it in the middle of that wide checkerboard or whatever you want to do, a definitive line that just shows this is where the laser lines up with the wall. And there's no reason to this shit. I mean, it's great that we're having these finishes. And they're this tight.

Whether it's Atlanta, whether it's Martinville or wherever. This is a good problem to have. But we know outstanding. and but you need a way for people, you know, it's a visual thing. And it's like if you hit the ball and it goes over the foul thing and you know it's a home run and then what's his name, the umpire, what's his, uh, the guy. Angel says, what's the other way? I mean, everybody saw it hit the thing.

It's a netting, but I don't know. I don't know. They're doing the best they can probably. And they show up four or five days before us. They don't know who painted the lines. You know, that we get there with some races, and the pit boxes are different. Well, that's the biggest thing. I think you have to go out and look at it because the pictures you're getting,

and it's such a non-issue, but obviously it'll get clicks and it brings up an issue. Like, you look, and the line on the track is wider than the line on the apron, and it's like, you can't have shit like that happening. I think that one just having that offset to Larson's favor. Got everybody all stirred up. Even me. Because I promise you, no matter which line, if it was, if it's that line or the, the line that's a little bit shorter.

Larson beats them to either one. It just looks bad. Exactly. Once they showed their laser picture, it was way obvious. But again, that thing they showed it tied to a post in the infield. The thing that I don't understand is... If you put it on the other side of the post, did the other car win? Yeah.

Well, that's what I don't understand about the timing. I don't know. And I'm not smart enough to know why the timing loops are different than the laser. But if you look at the Larson picture in the laser, it looks just like any other three or four thousandth of a difference finish that we've ever had when the timing and scoring mine read zero zero zero yes you know so so so you know why is why is this clearly a larcen win but timing and scoring shows a tie now i know there's 47,000 more decimals you can get to that's going to determine that but you know like i don't understand how that lines up i don't

understand how the 17 glock did tweet that the scoring loop for the start finish line is a few feet back which is why they use that high-end camera which is why when you You mentioned we knew for the Kentucky Derby who won right away, and we did learn really quick that Larson won. But the reason is, or the issue is that it is a few feedback. So the transponder for Bisher didn't read as accurately, but they do use the same technology as the Kentucky Derby, Brett, to your answer to your question. So, T.J, I want to hear your thoughts on this. Did Chris Bisher from the time he exited turn four until he finished second get outsmarted by Larson with those moves? and the beating and banging.

I don't know if he got out smart. Chris's car was super fast. I don't think he anticipated Larson making up that much ground. I can, but, you know, I don't, I think he, I think Larson got there quicker than what he expected. But, um,

he's probably expecting him not to get off a four as good as he did. It's running above him. Because you're going to, you're thinking you're going to get tight there. I mean, as soon as, as soon as the five got a nose out there, Chris started opening up the wheel

and that hurt is exit already right there. So at that point you're beating and banging. Your exits already, you better be ready for some contact or something because as soon as you call outside, that guy's going to open the wheel up. You're not going to let him just drive right by you out there. No.

And I mean, the air's getting different. Everything's getting. And I mean, in Herm, nobody's, you know, Herm is as good as anybody. I'm sure he knew every inch of what was going on and I don't think he could have done anything any different. Other than, like you say, he could have just used him up a little.

Yeah. If he knew now or then what he knows now, he would have probably drove it a little different. Looking at 1 and 2, I mean, Chris got through 1 and 2 really good. I think he tried to pull the same type of movie. He's going to go in there, 3-quarter lane up, and then kind of turned down and not really give him a chance to use that big run before the start.

He had to be confident with his stuff because I'd watched him run right in that guy's tracks, which is hard to do. He was dicing it out for a while. Exactly for, you know, back and forth. And just, when you can follow somebody and run like he was doing, you know your stuff's good. Well, the telling sign for me was when their stuff was good,

was usually, you know, after that restart where we all stayed out, you know, Chris is leading and then they start battling. Danny gets the lead, and nine times out of ten, I feel like once that guy gets to leave, he drives away. Yeah. Chris never lost him. Then Chris passed him back, and they were in that, and they were dicing. I was like, man, those are two really good race cars out there.

I just wonder if the two tires took a little bit of, because to me, three is a little tricker than one, one and two is almost wide open. and I wonder if the two tires, because that was the first time they really would have went in there with a lot of speed, right? Maybe. I got good news, bad news.

Good news is I just canceled my dentist appointment after this. Awesome. Which I probably should have done yesterday when you say you want to drink much light in your... That's why I'm canceling my dinner's front of you. The bad news is Joel is wearing a North Wilksboro t-shirt. I know he and Marcus Smith or buddies.

Marcus gave me this shirt. I know Freddie and Marcus Smith are buddies. I think Kentucky's got to go back on. the schedule, man. It's a mile and a half. Listen. It's some of our best racing we've seen. I do not think, I don't know how you sit in the NASCAR office this morning. I think it's a good idea to have a NASCAR championship weekend

other than somewhere that's a mile and a part of the show yet. The listen. We're not. I forget Kentucky. What about Chicago? Why aren't you bringing Chicago back? It's the identical track to Kansas. Dover proved to me, I don't know about, well, I'm pretty

stupid, but did you see the fans of Dover? Yeah, one day. I mean, I watched some of it on TV. One race. One race. You need one race. I mean, if you have two cookouts, I'm probably going to come to both of them, pretty, just because of them.

But normally, if Casey's got two cookouts this summer, you know, one of them will say, you know, it looks like bad weather or something. If you got one, they're going to come. Yeah. Give them one race. Thomas. Unless it's phenomenal and it's getting sold out, every race, give them one. You know, maybe Daytona and the Talladega.

Kansas is, Kansas is in that category. Hey, Martinsville could be one as long as. you're putting people in the stands. Tommy Baldwin had a great quote one day. He was getting married to Beth, his wife now, and his dad had an RSVP jet, and this is Tommy's second, maybe third marriage, I don't even know.

And so he called his dad, and he's like, Dad, we haven't heard from you. You come into the wedding? He's, nah, I'll just go to the next one. Yeah. It's like if somebody knows there's more to go. I'll just come to the next one. Yeah.

I mean, it's a repeat business. It's like funeral deal. You ain't going out of business on that. Weddings. Well, prior to the race, Toby Christie posted about a study group that Noah and Chase and Josh Barry with SHR had joined. Just talking about setting data and techniques to help improve their speed. Ryan Priest then tweeted that he was not invited to that study group. What do you all think about that one?

First of all, you're absolutely right. But Freddie, like, is this weird as fuck to you? This is so weird. There's two steps of weird because this is obviously very strange. This whole, or, you know, this whole topic is very strange. But then if you're a priest and this, this tweet is kind of out there making you look bad, you respond to it and get them another extra 150. When I looked yesterday, it was another 115,000 impressions. So like now you've drawn more attention, which I guess you're trying to defend yourself by saying you weren't invited to it. But it's just, I don't know. It's not a good look. in my opinion and it's probably leave it alone. T. Chesh's roll of his eyes. I just would have left it alone. I mean, what do they have access to that you don't have access to already? It looks like Noah's got access to an RFK car. I don't know what Noah has access to.

Oh, come on. Noah's been good all year, but like I think Josh is quietly having a decent year for his first full-time cup year. He's had shine at times. Noah is running well. But I don't like, I don't know, man. I don't feel like the, I don't feel like this meeting is the make it or break it for the weekend thing. But why does Noah send this out at all? Why does he say this?

Maybe he took something from it. I don't know. What's his agenda, though? He has to have an agenda with this. I think they're digging in over there. Well, like you say, when the music's playing and there's seats or maybe there's not seats, but everybody's trying to get one. We've talked about it on here, I don't know, a month ago. and said there's a possibility of Gene.

Gene's going to sell charters, you know, and I still hear those, I hear, it's so crazy in our garage right now because you hear Gene's selling two, jeans selling one, Gene's selling the whole fucking team, you know, Gene, Gene's doing the, you know, and it's like, okay, but now you see the kind of infighting, and I saw an interview where Chase Briscoe said, he called his team and said, if guys, I know everybody's worried about, and this is what you hear, you hear it out of everybody over there, you know, every crew guy, every spotters are mentioning it, like, if there's four teams and they're going to two, or three or one or none,

whatever it is, who's going to be left? And Chase made a comment and interview that he called his guys and said, listen, I know everybody's hearing this stuff. If we just go out and perform like we're supposed to perform, we'll be fine. Right.

You know, Noah is obviously, you know, another thing Chase said that I agreed with, you know, everybody said, Noah's got nothing to lose. No,

and he's playing with house money at this point because he's coming back from the dead, basically, you know, and, you know, Chase said, you know, somebody said,

you know, now without Harvick being there, does that make you the leader because you and chase said no the leader is who's ever running the best it doesn't matter if i've got more years of and right now that's noah like and it's clear as they know um so you know that's going to be but to your point i think that and i don't know that that that's is why maybe this gets out there because some guys might be trying to make other guys look bad because they don't want and they're but they're making them look bad on the racetrack already you know like and it's it's very clear i love ryan preys is a very good friend of mine

and i don't know if you know what they've got going on but you're you know what they've got going on but he needs to step it up if he wants to have any shot of staying over there, even if there's four teams next year. So, you know, it's, you look up last night, I looked up last night, Ryan was last. Like, the first run, he was the last car. We were the first one we were going to get to. We were racing him for, like, they pit it, they short pitted us one lap, and we were two football fields ahead of him after the pit cycle, we're three behind him.

And, you know, that was a good call on his crew chiefs part, because we never got, he stayed on the lead lap the whole day. We never got it back. And then you end up getting a lap because you're back there. Yeah. He gets lapped again. He takes a wave around. We raced. He air blocked, which is what you're supposed to do. I'm, I hate it, but that's what the game is. And they were all over each other, you know, probably pretty close to the same cars. Yeah. You know, as far as speed. But he's, he's got to go. He's got to prove something. If his crew chief's not involved in what's going on, maybe they're the only one that's to be left standing or maybe they're they don't care yeah but it it i heard some stuff this weekend

that you don't never hear until like four races to go i mean it's it's getting for this point of the season for all this to be going on and with and i'm sure it's the whole anxiety of the sport you know with not knowing we don't know if they got charters that's what i mean and and i'm going to the airport yesterday and i rode with the front road guys because i the steward house guys are at a different airport or whatever, or excuse me, the Rick, the Rick Ware guys are a different airport. So, but they tell me, hey, you know, there's another charter out there. And I'm like, what? One of them said, there's one still in a lawsuit from the BK deal.

Really? And I thought, I'm looking up there and I'm like, have y'all, y'all got beers in the whole? No. There's no way. No. You know, but all this, there was us, you know, at one time, there was one in a lawsuit or something, but there's 36 charters.

Well, speaking of charters and silly season, Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., announced that he received a contract extension with JTG. Great news for Ricky. What do you guys think about that one? Obviously, really good news for Ricky. I mean, and they've found a home there. I mean, they made it to $500 last year made the playoffs. They are consistently, you know, mid-teens.

They go through, I mean, they go through little. swings, but that's a great. And it's a great team of guys. Mike Kelly, Travis Young, those guys over there are all great guys, all good racing people. The interesting side of this is the ownership side, which I don't even, you don't hear a lot about it, but it

seems to me. I heard a lot about it. I mean, it seems I told you last year about it. I know, well, you weren't the first one, I promise you. But it's, you know, Tad Gishechter seems like he's out. I mean, right? I mean, that's... What's the J stand for? Is it Jody? Yeah. What's the T stand for?

I don't, Tad? Yeah. What's the G stand for? I don't know. Gordon. Yeah. When's it going to become G racing? Well, that's where we're heading.

Maybe G.D. Can you say that? G.D. Gordon Dardy racing. But, yeah, I mean, and we've heard rumors of, you know, Tad is solely working out of, the biggest thing I think that's going to come out of this is what happens with these sponsors. You know what I mean? Because that was Tad's side of the business, I think the whole time was that Kroger deal.

He's unbelievably. about marketing and yeah and you heard him the b-to-be of that croger deal is kind of like the minarge or you know some of the other stuff and you heard rumors and i mean i don't think there rumors anymore that he was working with other teams to find them sponsors and there's no rumor he had an office at joe gibbs racing and actively pursuing sponsors to solidify sponsorship for cow bush in the 18 car yeah that wasn't a rumor yeah that was a fact wow and well that didn't work i got to pay attention but but now you know it seems to me like he's out right i mean can we say that yet? I mean, I know, like, he was the only one that didn't comment on the Ricky extension.

Like, it just seems to me, I don't know where they're at paperwork-wise, but it seems to me like Tad's out of the 47. I don't know. I think it's good for Ricky. So JTG is Jody Tad? Is that how you said? Gordon. Well, I thought it was confusing for us. I thought it was the Gashector part. I don't know. I don't know. Brett's making up an issue. Well, my other guy's name's Gordon. Yeah. Anyway. My tax guy's name's. Well, you said, you. know what do you know anyway yeah i knew last year what was going on with this i told you all in september what you're in our group chat um it ain't like you ain't got my number i mean you can text me some stuff hey this is great news for rickie stenhouse oh again i mean i i i have guys that have

hung their career on winning the daytona 500 for decades and it buys you so many years because it makes you marketable for so many years and i think ricky has a ton of talent i think rickie he's a great dude. I haven't seen her talk to him in a while. But obviously his problem and why he got let go from Rouse is he wrecks too much. He puts himself in stupid situations and it gets him wrecked. And so this is great news for Rikistan House to be able to go out and know he's got a job. They said multi-years.

That probably means two with a third-year option. It's a big deal in today's world to get that kind of contract. And he has a ton of support personally, too, between Noss Energy Drink and others. Like he's set, I would say. and he showed that he should be there too. Mike Joy made a comment during the broadcast yesterday about Bowman Gray Stadium potentially being a contender for a race in the future.

Any thoughts? What are you guys hearing? I think we should run. If you don't want to share, you can tell Brett because he is not afraid to share. We're all looking at Joel. Joel's not afraid either. It's a hell a lot closer than L.A.,

I can tell you that. And I mean, I think it's the same size. And it's already paved. The issue there is it doesn't hold as many people. And the weather. Well, it holds as many people. Yeah, the weather. Exactly.

No, that's not true. Well, the first year, there was a lot. But it's, it's, it's, ah, man, it's hard to imagine we race there. Let's have the championship race there. Like this is like, but I'm, I'm sure. Evolving. Obviously. But it's, I mean, it's hard to imagine having a race there when it only holds 17,000 people.

But I don't know how. And they can't really add to it. You know, a lot of places we go. don't hold a lot of people, but they can add grandstands, as Bowman Gray. They are what they are. It'd be tough. So it's hard to see us having a cup race there with that small of a crowd, but maybe

that's just a high market ticket then. You know, like we saw last year, I mean, you go to North World Expo the first year, and it sells out immediately. You had to pay 500 bucks to have the right to buy a ticket. Yeah. And now this year, they're not even knowing where you're sitting. You can be row one, getting into one, eating. So, you know, it'll be hard to see a cup race there, but I mean, I'm all for it.

Let's have fun. Joel, I need some ice. I got ice, bro. All right. Stay tuned. After the break, we have plenty more to catch up on on spot on, spot off. Spot on spot off. Spot off.

Spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic. Denny Hamlin calling his shot to win the championship this year.

Freddie, spot on, spot off. I don't know. I think this is a non-issue. It wasn't. Clint asked him, I think, during the race, are you going to win it? Are you going to, you called your shot last week, and you call your shot again this?

Are you going to call your shot for the championship? And what's he supposed to say? No? You know, like, it's, I don't know. This is, this is, on the, on the Dover deal, he went on the podcast, unsolicited and said, I'm winning next week at Dover. sorry, the pre-dover podcast.

He said, I'm going out there and I'm winning next week. That's calling your shot. When somebody asks you, are you going to win the championship and you say, yeah, that's not calling your shot? Because what are you supposed to say? No, I'm not winning this year. I'm only off to the best start of my career. I'm not going to win this year.

Spot off, I don't know. Joel. I mean, this guy's been winning a championship every year. It's just the luck. I remember one he lost at Homestead. He got three wide with us. and Menard and Spun, you know, kind of like what we were talking about before.

There's two cars there and you get in a bad place. On the backstretch, right? I don't think it matters. Yeah, on the backstress coming off of two, if the championship deal, since we went to being at one racetrack, doesn't mean as much to me. And I don't know that you need to be running the points all year.

Maybe it needs to be a three race deal. But what we're doing, I mean, you can be the best guy, the best day. You get a flat tire. It's over. It's like Carl, Edwards. He could have won two, should have won one at least, and then you get a caution for a car down on the flat. It doesn't mean anything. And I think that's why that guy took it,

705 million and went home. Do you, Brett, do you think, I mean, to Joel's point, obviously it matters a little bit, but do you think Denny Hamlet cares if he ever wins a championship at this point, with his format? They all care. Yes, I think he cares. I think he cares a lot because I think he knows that he's championship caliber. And I, I mean, I sit here and I'm like, man, I picked Denny every year to win a championship for a lot of reasons. So this year I'm going to say, I hope he doesn't win it. I'm never picking him again. No, he's got no, he's not in my final four.

He's got no chance. He's got no chance. I want enough to see him win one. Our buddy Trey Ryan, we were texting with him. And I mean, this is the most wins he's had, tied for the most wins he's had at this point in the year with 12 races, three wins. The fourth most laps he's led this far into a season. Like, it seems like every year is a championship year.

But when you get to Phoenix, it comes down to that pit stop, with Kyle Larson or it comes down to The pit stall, the whatever. It comes down to so many things. Even before them in Martinsville. Last year he's cruising to the final four and blows a tire or brakes or breaks a steering or something at Kansas and wrecks.

Yeah, the steering goes out on it running very well. So when you hear us and I'm trying to put this in perspective for our listeners, when you hear us not get crazy excited about how great of a race Atlanta was and this weekend we're super excited about how great of a race it is.

It's the same thing. You know, Joel and I and even T.J. and Freddie, when, you know, Dale Jarrett won his championship or Terry Labani won his championship or even when Jimmy Johnson won his first six championships, it was like he's the deserving champion. And with this new format, I'm not saying they're not deserving. It's just there's a lot more of right place, right time that comes in to factor into who wins it. And, I mean, the year T. TJ won his championship. Lugano and his team 100% deserved it. But in that format, it just doesn't have, I hate to say this, as much credibility for longtime racers like us.

It gives you the game seven moment, 100%. TV gets what they want. Brian France gets what he wanted when he started this whole thing or agreed to let TV do this. Because NBC was the one that said, hey, we need our dates on a 500 moment. We don't have it. How do we get it?

We do this style of a playoff back. then they called it a chase and we do this style of a playoff and we have a game seven moment guaranteed you do that is your that's a game seven moment but it's a lot different for those of us who have been around a long time t j yeah i'm i'm spot off for it right now it's too early there could be we've seen people i said it a few weeks ago it's this is not the part of the season where you want to be hot it's yeah it's great it's great for martin true x where was martin martin dominated the regular season and then we barely saw them and the playoffs.

So I think it's, I do think Danny will be a contender. He always, Denny's not, Danny smart. Danny, I think we was talking about this last week, a couple of weeks on his podcast. Like you used to see trends throughout the year. You know, we'd get to start the year. And then around the Coke 600, everybody would have a new car. And then a little bit later, you know, closer to playoffs, everybody would have a new car. I mean, I'm talking a brand new chassis.

And somebody like, you know, I mean, once they get in aren't doing anything, but just playing. Yeah, brand new program. How many times would you hear in 2000? 10, this car just is the best in the wind tunnel we've ever had. Or Doug Gates would call, you know, Todd Parrott or whoever and say, this is the most horsepower by three that we've ever brought to the racetrack. We always were working on the car.

Like we do, I can't tell you how many. Yeah. How many times talking to the wind tunnel? Now it's this car does this in Sim. It's not, this is the best car we've ever had here. Well, the Sim's the new wind tunnel. You know what it is. But it's a different day and age, which we obviously adapt to.

But, I mean, on Tuesday, when you got to call, we got three more horsepower. we've ever had. You were like, we got them this week. We got them. We got them. There's no way. I still think you can get hot and I still think, I mean, true ex-Blandia showed it last year. Yeah, Blaney. The season ends perfectly for Ryan Blaney. The best season I ever had with Biffel's 2006, I think we won six to 36. Should have won a championship leading by us straightaway at Texas, got a loose wheel, finished 20th instead of winning the race. Greg Biffle is not a cup champion, but at the same time of the year of that season, he was the champion. Yeah.

If you put it all together. But it comes down to, you know, there's other stuff that comes in. And I think we've lost a little bit of that back when, you know, you saw Dale Jr.'s podcast last week when he was with chocolate or whoever. And Kirk. And, you know, they're like, we won eight races that year. We should have won them all. You know, every time Dale lost it was because of us.

We messed something up or it rained or it done something. But, you know, there's some seasons where you just, you are the champion even though you don't win it. Yeah. And I don't know. The one race deal, I think, is going to have to change at some point. It may be a couple, three years out. Or the one race that at Phoenix, say you're just not good at Phoenix. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing. I think that's the biggest proponent of why it needs to go to some kind of little short series, two or three races, whatever. Because you're not going to, even if it's three races, you know, the reason why we went to the chase to make a 10 race is, well, was to kind of, you know, originally it was narrow it down so then you don't get the big gap where somebody's not clinching the second or last race. If you make it a three race deal, nobody's, I don't think, going to run away with it in three weeks. If you give it to four guys, you know, you're still going to come down to at least two guys. Yeah. But I think you're always going to come down to two guys racing. And then you're going to see different strategies of

Phoenix. Maybe some guys got to chase stage points and another guy doesn't. And maybe it needs to be, you know, I don't know if there's another way. Analytically, is that a word? Yes. That you can. Not in Mayberry, but you brought it down here. Well, I've just been listening to you guys, so I got a little smarter. I highly doubt it came from this show. But you know, if it's wins, it's your season.

You know, and I know you get points and you get stage points, but you can get stage points by staying out. Yeah. Or doing some stuff like that. To that point, you know, obviously the playoffs changed things a little bit, but you mentioned drivers who are consistent who have strong seasons, such as Martin Truex last year, Denny Hamlin so far this year.

This might be a tough question, but who would you see being champions for the past three years at least? Like looking at their seasons overall. Well, I think the better question is like, who would you rather be? Would you rather be the guy that goes out and wins six races,

dominates the year and then blows a motor at Kansas and loses the championship because of that? You know, you're the guy that year, or do you want to be the guy that got hot the last three races and won Phoenix? I mean, what, makes it different for me is when you look at, and it's no disrespect,

but Daniel Hemrick wins a Xfinity championship by doing a guy in the corner, which, hey, good for you, great. But what else of his year was a championship year that year? That was only win, right? This was only one ever in Xfinity. But doesn't it show consistency and points? You made it to the final four for a reason,

and there's several four or five different ways you can make it to the final four. I can't. I can't buy in. to the whole, and I see people do this all the time, you know, Driver X would have won the championship if it were the old playoff format all the time. Let me tell you Darf something, and I gave Joel a Darf hat today. Thank you. You can't compare today's results to yesterday's standards because the crew chiefs, the drivers, the spotters, and everybody that's involved with these race teams,

we're calling the races based on today. And we're calling it, based on what pace points. It used to be the end of the race was the only place to earn points other than leading a lap, leading the most laps. Well, when they took all that away, now there's no reason to run long to lead a lap to get a point. Every strategy that's playing out today is based on today's points format. So fans do yourself a favor. Stop living in the past, living now because that's where the drivers, the spotters, the crew chiefs,

the tire changers, the gas man, even the ladies back in doing travel, that's where they're living. We're living in right now. That might be the smartest thing you ever said. That's big. That was a, that was a good. That was a good, right. You know, and it kind of stunk back in the day when they changed everything and they would

show for two or three years. Oh, in the old point system. And I mean, we can all look back. People would have had a couple. So I think the first couple years. Dale, Junior would have had some. It would drive Jim Butter. It would drive Jim Butter.

Back then he wrote for the Charlotte Observer, they would put up the points as they run now. And Jim Otter would lose his mind. He was like, the race ain't over. What does it matter? It's as they run now. And he wasn't wrong,

but it was a storyline. It was TV trying to give you something to talk about. It's a click deal. Back in those days, like when they first went to the chase, it was the same point structure. Just, you know, they narrowed the field.

And it was relevant then. Like you could say, well, if it was season long, so-and-so would have won. But once they introduced stage points, we all started raising. and calling the races differently, and that's when it kind of became irrelevant.

Spot on, spot off. Kansas is producing the best racing of any track on the Cup circuit. T.J. I think it's up there. We've had some great races this year, regardless Atlanta put on a great race still. It takes less talent to run it, but it still put on a great race.

We all left Atlanta like, wow, Bristol put on a great race this year. I mean, it had a little bit everything. It had the old school. driver saving some tire. And this week had, this week, I hope we don't change the tire because this week you could punish them and pay for it. And that needs to be part of it. We can't be, you shouldn't be able to run qualifying laps every single lap of the race and not have some sort of punishment for it. You should have, should have to work on your car and get it to last and do

things. I mean, there's a good, this is what makes it good is you have short run cars and you have long run cars and both of them got a chance to shine in that race at certain points. But I am, I think Kansas puts on a, I think Kansas puts on a, great race. I think I think Kansas showcases how good these drivers really are in these cars and how tight the windows are they are driving him. I mean, we're talking if you're one foot to the right too far, you're losing the nose. And these guys are very accurate. And they're, and they're playing chess every single corner with each other. One guy moves down a little bit more because he saw you move down. Then you've got to react to that. And these guys, I don't think

they get enough credit for how good they really are in managing these situations and making split second decisions when a guy arcs off into the corner. Joel? You know, being part-time, you come back into a game like yesterday, and you're hearing the stuff, you know, and my guy's like, we've got too much break pressure getting in the corner. And I'm like, this guy's driving his ass off, and we're talking about he's adding too much break.

But that's, to TJ's point, that's how advanced everything has gotten. You know, they can see, you know, what the leader's doing, how much brake pressure he's got, how much wheel he's got, to the centimeter of where he's running. And I don't know, Kansas is, to me right now, as good a race track as you'll see, but it's because you can run all over it. It's like Michigan used to be.

When you can run from the bottom of the top, it ain't got sticky shit on it nowhere. I mean, sorry. You're good. You're a lot of cursing. How do you show him that? I just didn't know about to flip or the flut or whatever. There's kids in the room.

But, I mean, it's a good race. You know, but you've got to be able to run top to the bottom. Obviously, you can't do that at Bristol, you know, some of these places. But I think it's a good racetrack. I don't know that it's ready to lose a race. I think it's probably going to keep one. It's got to keep at least two. Yeah, I mean, it's got to keep both of them.

And there's, I'm the one race guy, though. I think we need to be going everywhere once, which I don't go to them any of them. But I just think it brings a fan out. And it was a decent crowd yesterday for it to be a three-hour delay. You know, you got to thank the fans for hanging in there. It's a good, it's a good town. It's in the middle of the world. It's a growing.

It's in the middle of the world. I don't know where the middle of the world is. That's a good point. I would love to know where the middle of the world is. Well, I base it off. I base it off. Are you a flat worlder? Yes.

I don't want to fall off. But it's five hours to go to that one race and it was two and a half. I've seen you fall off before, actually. We brought you back. Yeah. I'm not well. Casey, here's the reality. There's two things that make a good race for me.

Number one, battles for the lead. And we definitely had that yesterday. Number two is the ability to pass. We definitely had that yesterday. It's a really simple evaluation from where I sit. We checked both boxes. It was a great race. Obviously, a close finish, which makes it really cool.

Stage three, we didn't have any cost. Stage one or two went by, I bet TJ didn't even have time to go pee. It went by so fast. Well, he probably snuck a couple in there. Yeah, you know, every time I get there. Kevin Hamlin, he peed as much as you do. He's fast, man. He gets there like quick.

He takes short little strips. He's all about what you're working with. Kevin is, he's built for speed. Gets out of there, sir. Yeah, man. You know what? I've been off the spotter stand. Not to get off topic, but that's what I do best on this show.

Maybe it's cold where he was. But why do we have one urinal and one toilet in the bathroom with a spotter? Give us the splash wall like at north where we can all pee. Everybody's playing and everybody's feet. One time I beat him there and he's behind me yelling. I said, hey, well, let me drive you in the bathroom. Let me drive this thing. Yeah.

I knew I was a lap down yesterday because after one of the, at the cautions at the end, I started down to go to the bathroom and he was coming back up. That's that I mean, he's already peed. You had to stay out on the extra lap. Well, I could not, I could not piss the first time back. I don't even know how to transition. I don't think, well, I got a question for Joel. I haven't even talked to you.

Is Kansas championship race worthy? Kansas is not championship race worthy only for the fact that I'm not going to Kansas in the middle of November. Oh my God. You're from Long Island. You sound like Jordan Bianchi right now. Nobody's going to show. It's not me. I'd go.

Who gives a fuck of the fans show up? Who gives a fuck of the fans show up? Who gives a fucking big deal, I'd imagine. So fans show up at Green Bay, fans show up in New England Patriots. Why do we have a race every year of Phoenix? It's not because the racing is great because the fucking fans show up. Money. Did I say that out last?

The answer was money. Yeah, your skirt's in your face Go to where the racing's at. If the racing's great, people cope. It ain't got it. I got snow gear for you, boss. I don't care. I go to the turkey derby in December every year.

It's not going to bother me, but I need, we need fans to show up. I went to the turkey derby derby about two weeks ago. Did you? Oh, the Triple B. Just you're going to give a shout out to the Triple B range. I'd be curious that year 9-11 happened how many people were at New Hampshire when we raced up there in November. You remember that?

I think it was sold off. Oh, in 9-11, the height of Fing NASCAR? It was probably pretty big. Robbie Gordon won. Remember that? froze to death. It was probably a pretty big crowd in the height of the sport. You're still fine.

I mean, they're going to come either way. I mean, if you're true fans, it's like me. Since I went part-time, I'm sitting home and I'm watching a little bit of hockey, and I've got the – You don't watch a little bit of hockey. You watch hockey every day. I watch hockey playoffs. My team's been out for quite some time, like the middle of the year we were done.

The Rangers doing good. They beat Carolina last night. Not a Carolina fan. Ruding for Freddie a little bit because we're buddies. I mean, I mean, I might not like you that much. I'm going to bring my Baca

if we go to game six. Yeah, I got to bring Vaca. We'll be fine. Speaking of Vaca, high rock vodka, this episode is brought to you by High Rock Vaca. That was good. You didn't even have to read that one.

No, that's perfect. Just wait until I'll hit the reads later. We don't have any. Thank God. Moving on. You think I slurred consumer Souther before, wait a later later.

Can I get a dentist department today? Yes, there's one for 150 at Limbo Montgomery that I just cancer. I need one. My dog got her teeth clean Thursday. You know what? This is dumb as shit, but my dog, I take her down and get her teeth clean, get, you know, oil checked, get some blood work done, get a year's worth of medicine.

$750. That stings. And I'm like, no wonder I don't date. I mean, my dog is like a three-hour episode at the doctor. That's like a Ruse Chris dinner. I don't know. That's why you don't know. Dang.

I don't know. That's it. Yeah, you might be a rep. You might be right. Anyways, Kyle Bush's comments on the current star power in NASCAR. Good luck reading all this, Casey. Let me know what happens. How fans from the 90s aren't as captivated as they are today saying you have the diehard fans of

Jeff Gordon, Dale Earnhardt, Rusty Wallace, Terry Levani, Mark Martin, Harry Gant. Guys from the 90s, our world is a lot different fan base that's following along. I don't feel like we're able to. transition a lot of the fans that were fans of those drivers into a William Byron fan, into a Kyle fan, or whoever. Here's, I'm spot on for his comments, but here's, I think, the biggest disconnect. Let me ask you this, Brett. What car Jeff Gordon drive?

24. What color was it? It was rainbow. DuPont, every week, right? Dale Earnhard, what was he in? Black Intimidator. Rusty Wallace. Blue, middle light.

Terry Levani? That beautiful Kellogg's car. Mark Martin. Faville. Harry Gant. Scult. What was Daniel Suarez as a sponsor this week? No idea.

These guys can't connect because you don't see. I think it said in the way on the side of the side of. You don't see. You know, you had. You're going to get a tweet. Oh, you're probably getting it, man.

I ain't going to be back but a couple more times to see and I don't give a damn. You just pissed off the fiance. I'm not done piss him up. I got notes. Joel said last night, I've got notes. I said, you're way out of TJ.

The DJ made a note 10 years on this show. I got a nose, but I'm sure his are way better. But I think that's the biggest disconnect. Back in the day, you related because you saw Dale Earnhardt every week in the three good range car. You saw Rusty Wallace in the Miller Light car. Nowadays, it's hard to relate unless you're, you know, the diehard fans pick their drivers. And I see every week on Reddit, every week, I'm just getting back into the sport. Who should my favorite driver be?

And it's, and you shouldn't ask that question because you're going to figure it out. You know, I always tell everybody all the time, like, if you just watch something, you're going to figure out, find a guy to pull for. It's the same thing. Like, if you can't decide on anything and you flip a coin, when the coins in the air, you're going to know which way you want it to land. Something's got to pull you in. You're opening up a topic that's probably never been opened up in this sport, and that is branding. Okay. When you think about the most famous football team, whether you like them or not, and in the NFL, what is their biggest branding point? The stupid-ass star. The star on the side of the fucking hell. I hate them, guys.

Dallas Cowboys. I thought I was talking about the chiefs. When you think about the animal on the side of the helmet that roamed the wild, that's one of the largest animals in America that almost became extinct and then we saved them in the Midwest, TJ's favorite team, the Buffalo Bills. When you turn on the TV as a sports fan, you don't have to even question who is playing because when you look at their logo and when you look at their colors, you immediately know. and at this point in the NASCAR exploration, you're right.

Fans have no idea who's in what car when they turn a television on. And now I'm getting ready to make a bigger point. If you give these teams the amount of revenue share they're asking for from you NASCAR, you're going to get them to a point to where they can brand their car the exact same every single week and put whatever sponsorship is available on the car and work it into their own brand. Right now, that's not a thing. And I hope y'all are smart enough to understand what I just said, because I realize I've had a couple of cocktails in my coffee cup.

I 100% agree. When I fell in love with the sport, I was maybe 8 or 10 years old going to North Wilkesboro, and you go there and you got Darrell-Walter up out there, an 88 Gatorade car. It's about 30-foot-long that Monte Carlo, maybe 1979 or something maybe. Yeah. Some maybe 10. He could ride 14 people around that car. But, oh, yeah.

You couldn't even get it in the hauler. Hey, you had to drive at home. But I bought a place, Matt. I remember I probably still got it somewhere. And, you know, I became a fan. This is so long ago that the Gatorade was in a glass bottle. I know. I drank Gatorade of a glass bottle.

Maybe you remember that. When you twisted it, popped. Yeah. It was like. That little ball in the middle. And it was made by Stokely Van Camps. I know. but I mean, we're that old.

But I think what you've got to have now is the car needs to look the same every week. And I get it. You got to have sponsors, whether you've got to have 15 of them or one. But even with Al Marolla, you know, he was in that Smithfield card every week. And Denny's probably done it more than anybody with the FedEx, and now that's gone. You know, he's showing up with. Larsen's probably, Larson and Lugano more probably the two that you would see. Yeah, you're right now.

And I mean, it's kind of weird when you show up in the 12 or the 2s, depending on like the 12 or something. And I know that gets confusing. Like I had a monster car yesterday. There was another monster car out there. Oh, there was a few of them to look like. Two. I think Haley D. I didn't even drop by in a monster truck at one point.

But, you know, the days of, you know, the flying aces or whatever, like from last week, they didn't have to worry about their paint scheme. It was the same all year. You know, they built eight cars and there they are. To your point. in an era where sponsors have to try to figure out ways to make their brand the focal point in a very sponsor saturated market. Would you want your sponsor, your car, your logo to stay the same exactly week after week after week for 38 weeks when you have other products that you want to highlight, such as we

talked about JTG with their B2B branding? How much would you pay if you are Pins Oil to be on the Dallas Cowboys? his uniform on the top left shoulder. I'd pay a lot. I wouldn't pay time. It's the same as John Menard. It's the same as John Menard. Everything he's got is his color.

You know, whether it's in the truck series, whether wherever he's running it is that color. It's the car. We just don't know who's driving. That gets us confused at times. But he has his own deal. And Blake made a great point. Just texts to our group while we're doing this.

You know, NBA, you talk. turn an NBA game on now, and I guarantee you it takes you two minutes to figure out which teams which. You know, they've got, I had that they've got so many different uniforms that you turn it on, like, I'm watching the Knicks. I turn the Knicks on who's, like my hometown team. I'm not, I'm a diehard fan like I have in the Rangers, but I'm a Knicks fan. And I turn it on, I go, which one is the, you know, there's colors I've never even

seen before. I don't watch much basketball. I did watch Caitlin Clark. But I'm just saying, if it pops up there, you don't even know them. So it's just all about recognition. Like, you want to turn a game on. Like, you know, and even NFL has some, you know, they're trending through third uniforms and

and some alternate stuff, but you want to turn a game on and go, all right, that's my team, you know, that's the guy I root for, that's whatever it is, and you need that recognition. Like he's saying with a star, the star, the star is always a star. Well, the NHL will get a throwback uniform. You know, they put them out there to sell some stuff, you know, or whatever, and we get the old Dallas Stars deal. I was rooting against him last night, but I think they pulled one out.

I don't know. I think, I think racing was better when everybody's paint scheme was you got the paint scheme for the year. And I'm an old guy. It would be special. Like what would be the all-star race usually? Like Dale came out with that silver. Like you'd have one a year where you have like this crazy paint scheme and they'd make

a gazillion dollars on merch. Yeah. And it went to sit. It was totally silver. Yeah. Instead of being black. I think like same sponsor. Not to get too technical, but sponsorship for a lot of my career dictated how much money

the race team spent. And they were able to dictate that because they were building. building the car from the ground up. Now, the cost of building the car is controlled by the vendor pricing. And then whatever you have left, you spend on hiring the best engineer, the best SIM, whatever, development. So the model's completely changed, but I never thought Freddie would say something so brilliant in all my life is what he just said.

And I think it goes back to a bigger picture, which is, you know, I think we're going to in a second, like sponsors, that are paying X amount of money and teams that are earning Y amount of money, can't put teams in a position where they're losing money. Well, on that point, spot on spot off, Denny Hamlin's comments on Charter's specifically on justifying a higher revenue share for the teams saying we've had 11 teams go out of business since 2016. That is not good.

And certainly if we can continue on the trend of a couple of stakeholders doing really well and one not, that will continue. and that's not going to be good for our sport in the future. Spot on, spot off, Brett. So I'm spot off for one thing that I think is missing here, and that is what gravitates fans to our sport the most, which is drivers, and drivers aren't considered a stakeholder in this conversation.

And to some degree, they're making less than they've ever made. And Joel and T.J. and I, we've flown around on a lot of helicopters, a lot of jets, sat in a lot of limos, on a lot of big vacations because our drivers, he's got the triple B ranch going on there with Greg Biffle, but because our drivers made over $10 million a year. And that was because the sponsorship, Casey was rolling in. Well, the sponsorship is still present, but it's not as big as it was. And it's easy for people to say, well, you guys are complaining.

These drivers make a million dollars a year. It's not really about that for me on the driver's side. It's about they need a bigger presence. We don't have a players union. Give me another major league sport without a players union. We don't have collective bargaining for the players, which is the drivers. Give me another sport where that exists, right? But to Denny's other comments, I am 100% spot on.

I don't know how many teams have gone out of business or if he's referencing gone out of business versus been sold because there is a big difference there. But what I'm telling y'all is, you know, the Daytona 500 is seven months from now. And we don't have a deal done. And I think we were one of the first people to really bring it to light and say there's a big difference in a seven-year lease of a charter versus a lifetime ownership of a charter. If the lifetime thing happens, NASCAR is relinquishing a lot of control and a lot of leverage. They've never been willing to do that. I mean, I would be curious to know what Brian France would say in the room versus Jim France would say in the room because I feel like we're going back.

And it's not a bad thing, but just we're going back in time. into ownership where Brian France was the new guy and Jim France is the Bill France error from an Asian mentality standpoint. So if we don't get this charter deal done soon, what is a charter worth right now in the garage? Nothing.

It ain't worth the shit. We just, how much to inspire allegedly just pay for a charter? 40 million. 40 million. I said BJ McLeod should win the Nobel Prize for Economics if a charter's going on. When he did that deal, I tweeted, I tweeted goat, because I mean,

you're never going to, how are you going to do that? And you, and then you're sitting at maybe one of these other race teams that I used to work at, and you're going, wait a minute, 40, 40, what, we got how many? It ain't worth 40 grand right now. So what are you going to do? The thing is, like, and you hear Dale Jr. on his show now, like a couple weeks ago, say, I regret not buying one. When they were two million.

Two years ago, he was like, it's crazy. They're these. They want 10 million. This is crazy. They want 10 million for these things. And now two years later, he's going, I should have bought. bought one then. You know, I should, which now, maybe it's not worth it.

I think at the end of the day, a deal gets done. But right now, how do you, how do you, like, last year you're selling them on TV, you know, on, we were talking, it was like a stock, you know, like it's trending this way, trending this way. We think this new TV deal, we're going to get this much money. So now it's worth X amount more than it was before. And then you come out and say, hey, we blowed the doors off the TV deal, but we ain't giving you all the nothing else.

But here's the thing. We're giving you. Who owns the TV deal? NASCAR. Who owns all the rights to the venue? NASCAR. NASCAR. Who owns the vendors, not literally owns, but who owns the procurement process from where

your parts and pieces come from to put this car together? Who tells you where they're coming from? NASCAR. I'm glad you said it. I don't want to have to say it. Who is in fucking control? TJ, say it. He can't.

Joel. This is their world and we're just living in it. Well, I mean, you've got to applaud them if they can get by with this, but can they really get by with this. They're on a slippery slope right now of, you know, are we going to just, how much chess are we going to play? The biggest two things I think come out of this deal and what I think the ownership is hoping for. And I think the fans should be kind of on the team owner's side is, to Brett's point, you can get some of that brand awareness back. If you don't need to sell a sponsor, you know, a different race, you're going to get more common paint schemes.

You're going to get more brand awareness of. That's the 11, you know, that's the. What is the fan? Does the fan need to buy seven T-shirts to be through and free driver, or can he just buy two? And, you know, that's the ex-Mavis 11 car or, you know, McDonald's 23, whatever it is. And that's like Brad. You know, Brad's got a ton of sponsors. Oh, we all do.

I mean. But I think one of the biggest things you're going to get out of a deal where the teams are making more money is, you're going to get the most talented guys in the car, in the, in the seat driving because they don't have to bring money. You're going to see a guy like Caden Honeycutt that ran phenomenal in the truck race the other night get an opportunity because you don't need to find a guy with money if you're getting a bigger cut of the share. You're going to go out and search for the most talented guy versus the guy that has a sponsor.

The truck deal model is in pretty big trouble. I mean, not to get way off topic here, but this is spot off. but the truck guys have to go in for tech on Friday. Probably 65% of the truck team still fly commercially. So they got to leave on Thursday. They go for the tech. Then they do Saturday. And then some of them don't even leave.

I mean, like Duke Thorson's guys, they were gone way longer. They drive a lot of places. And now they fly in commercial to this deal. But, I mean, the model has to get better for some of the deals. You go back to this comment from Kyle. And every guy that he listed there, is a super talented race car driver, and they got to where they were

because they were super talented, hardworking blue collar guys that these fans could relate to. And now, you know, a guy like William Byron, phenomenal race car driver, but it's hard for the blue collar guy to relate to William Byron,

in my opinion, you know, when you hear William Byron came from eye racing, you go, what? You know, what the hell? You're not going to see any clips him up, getting up hay.

And that's not a knock on way of my life. love way of death. But, you know, it's hard to relate to that guy if you're Joel Edmonds. Nobody gets more publicity in our sport and spends less money in our sport than I racing. I will die on that hill. You should join. I want to see you on irasings so bad. He was on there. I said, he had a sim for all of like six hours. I want to see you on there racing under your, I want to race with you on there. Is it hard? Is it hard to do? It's hard. I had a guy that I'm spotting for now. I asked me say, are you on publicity? Are you on irising? I'm like, Listen, I, what do you mean?

In my opinion? You may and agree or not. Internet and maybe. And you may agree or not, but I-Racing has helped a lot. I mean, nowadays, like, you don't, like, back in the day, you know, Texas is a perfect example. It was the sim before the sim. They kind of just went and did Texas and it didn't turn out well.

Now everywhere they go, they can. Nothing, they can. Nothing that's ever happening in Texas as far as the racetrack has turned out well. They can build it. They can build it. But I think Marcus is going to fix it at some point. But two things, A, it makes it more relatable to fans because when you can race things like Millbridge, when you can race things like Texas.

Millbridge, drink. Oh, yeah. We already on it. But that's what fans, they find that. Or if they can go on and race against T.J. Or race against Larson. Spot on, spot off. Taking two tires on the final stop compared to four tires.

T.J. I do. You're going to ask me. Two tires want to race. Two tires did win the race, but I did not think that many guys would take two tires as bad as guys were wearing their tires out and stuff. I did not see that many. Larson had four billion laps on his lefts or whatever.

I don't know. 60 something. Yeah. So, I mean, and having the problems they were having, I was, I mean, I was a surprise that we came out where we did. But, I mean, obviously. So the biggest thing that I was surprising to me was four tires won the race last year. You know what I mean? And I think Martin, I X drew on the plane, and Martin started 10th.

If he starts eighth, I think he wins. I do too. But it was so crazy to me. And what I didn't realize today, I think when Martin started 10th, I think Martin was first off on 4. So if he was 10th, that means nine in front of them took two. I didn't realize there was guys mixed in between, like you said, between you and Martin. Oh, yeah. That probably took two also.

Oh, a lot of them. And what you saw last year was guys like, I can't really. 99 was one of them, 22 was one of them, maybe the 43 was another. They were back half of the lead lap and they cycled to the lead and didn't win, but they benefited. They net gained. But I was surprised to see so many, and I'm sure James Small was as well. We all were. Because at the end of the race, the 19 was the best car.

When the sun went down, like when it got the full night, I thought the 19 took off and I thought he was. Sesey's the best short run car. I think we could have beat him in a long round round. Maybe, yeah, probably. But he was, he was hauling ass. He was. He was going to, I mean, Danny was a sitting duck if that yellow.

I mean, whether or not he had to pit, it didn't matter. 19 was going to go by Danny. How many more races before Brad wins? Because he's, hopefully none. He's knocking. I mean, seriously. What do we need to do? What do it may be?

I mean, we sacrificed chicken or something. I think he's trying too hard. It's like me. When I try to fish really hard, I don't catch nothing. But, I mean, Brad is right there. And I mean, I thought he had it. Taladega. I got to give a shout out to our friends at Dirty Moe Doe, which we might start calling them

Dirty Moe No. Do we need, so fans need to fade them? They, they tweeted. I saw two clips this week and one was definitely bet on Brad to beat Busher. Bushers not been good at mile and a halfs. That didn't work how well. And Michael McDowell was definitely going to finish outside the top 20, which he ran top 10 most of the race.

He got wrecked. He got wrecked. And still finished. still finish the top 10 because he's cycled up there. So maybe it's Dirty Moe, no, but we'll save that faith for little. Poor Tim's, poor Tims is having a struggle there. But anyway, but yeah, no, for sure, they were the two best four yesterday. You guys and Gregson were the three.

And maybe that's what we talked about on here before last week. We've been kind of harping on it, and it's, is Ford should be worried. I don't know if Ford should be worried, but maybe Penske needs to be worried because they're supposed to be the flagship Ford team, and I haven't seen the speed out of them. versus what you guys have had. I don't think they're worried as far as, you know, T.J.'s company. I think three of them at Stuart Hossar because that 10's running pretty good at a lot of places.

I told you all 10 ever, you know? You didn't listen? Ten ever. You remember? Ten ever. I told you. Yeah, you're always trying to get better. And I don't, I think we started off the year with the new car.

We probably weren't. We didn't, obviously, whatever we did wasn't as close as we thought it was going to be. and we've done this before. You just chip away at it and just keep racing. You guys are right there. I mean, he's been so close. And these things are tough to win. They're really tough to win.

I mean, look at Boucher. Wow. I mean, you won't get many finishes like yesterday. Just races in general. That was a good race from all, like all, I mean, I think every, all cars were pretty competitive. You had some from every group, I think. Yeah.

And, I mean, a lot of things that wins racecraft. Racecraft is something that some people don't have and Chris Boucher has it and he still got beat. You know what I mean? So is this kind of even the playing field a little bit, Freddie? Because, you know, we go to Kansas and everyone's like, oh, it's going to be a... So I said this last week. I said, you know, we're talking about Ford panic.

I said everybody outside of Hendrick and JGR needs to panic and look again, Hendrick wins. If you look, Tray Ryan sent us a great stat this week about the top six, the seven finishers again this week are Hendrick and J.G.R. You know, so it's, it's, I mean, it's hard to. But this week, I mean, that green, white checker and two-tire, four-tire deal kind of makes that up. If you look at it. It's every race, T.J. But if you, but I'm saying if you look at, and I don't know what the top 10 was before the last caution, that's what you probably should go look at more for a true. It definitely shuffled up the goods and the bads.

Yeah. Because some people that should have been there were not there. That's what I'm saying. if you go look at the top 10 before that last, before Kyle spins out and brings out, that's probably a true indication. That'll tell you how hard these cards are to drive. Nobody was in front of him. He was in a lane by himself and he spun out down the bottom. That's how hard these guys are working to drive these cars.

Yeah, and to your point, it gets that, like Jimmy Johnson brought it up and these guys, you used to be able to lean on that right rear and just get yawed out and hold it. And this thing, once you cross that right rear the whole time, cross that once you cross that threshold it's over you know Brad

it happened to Brad last week at Dover ruined his race you know it's just Riley in practice he's like I just don't know how much I can put on this right rear you know and he's it's the first mile and a half

at a super speedway you just run it till it wrecks even in practice or there's not even practice anymore but whatever but I mean he was like I don't know what to do I think I'm okay

and then he goes out and runs his qualifying and runs three tenths quicker and still starts in the back you know because the second The second group was way faster to first group. The line from what he's used to in the Exfini car,

he can live in that area where it's yawed out and you can drive it sideways. Is not there. There is no line for the cup car. When you get out, I mean. Well, I mean, Kyle Busch proved that. With having seven to go or something. I mean, last week, pretty challenging race this week.

You got Kyle spinning out last week, Bradspun out. I mean, these are guys that are pretty, know what they're doing, too. As good as has ever done it. I would say. All right. We're going to take a quick break, but when we come back, we'll hear our, I know what you're going to say, Joel. You got to pee?

No, no, my nose is hitting the mic. Brett needs ice. When we come back, we will hear the best reaction theater calls from you all. You got the greatest ice I've ever had in my life. Thank you. That is a nice ice. We've iced together for years, me and this guy. Now it's time for our favorite segment reaction theater where our fans get

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I don't fucking care. And how about my boy Rowdy? It's spinning out and then somehow going from 20th to 8 and those last fucking cup all laps. Man, Kyle, Kyle, listen, Kyle, you watch these race teams and you watch Gregson run top 10 and the other three are not even in the same zip code. And you watch Ross Chastain leading the race

Daniel Suarez not in the same zip code. With these cars, we didn't necessarily think this was going to be a common thing that teams, because usually we talk about you can throw a blanket over them and whatever team you're on, that's kind of where you're at, right? And so for RCR, Kyle's obviously found a lot of speed.

He's been qualifying a lot better. He's been racing a lot better. I mean, he was running top three at that points in a race yesterday. But as a team, you've got to translate that speed that those cars find into other cars. If you'd have told me two years ago sitting here that Rouse Fenway Keselowski racing was going to be the best Ford team in the garage,

I'd have told you you're crazy and they are hands down the best Ford team in the garage. If you had told me that Alston Dillon had a chance to go to Victory Lane yesterday, I would have told you you're crazy, but I thought at one point the 8 could win. And then he would have had to win, right? And, I mean, the RFK cars were really good yesterday.

But if you would have... I know, I know. I don't. I skipped over it because we got a little deep last time. Sorry. No, you're good. Keep going. You do, you do.

RFK showed up yesterday. But before that, Stuart Haas, Noah Gragson has been the best forward. Gragson and Blaney. Ten ever. Ten ever. Ten ever. If you would have told me that anybody from Stuart Haas was going to be the flagship Ford in any race this year, I would have told you you were crazy.

And that was in February. So, I mean, it's just the way things go week to week. but the yesterday by the It's obvious. It's obvious that what Brad has taken

to Roush Fenway Kislauski We both work there at the... Major's racing is working. It's working. I mean,

the results are there. Listen, this is probably going to say some stuff that me and you might not have said, but we would have a joke back of the day

when it was me, you and Herm were there. And somebody, we'd have a good run and say qualifying. They'd say, somebody would say, we're back. And I go, we're back. I said, we're back.

Way back. This segment is supposed to go fast. I got to. Sorry, I forgot about it. Was he, you still going to the dentist? I forgot. I forgot. I forgot.

I forgot we were in Rex. Tiffany will get mad at us. We're going to keep trouble. Kurt Bush gets out of his car in 2003. Goes over and congratulates Ricky Craven. Says to the media, this is some hot, hard fought racing. He said far, didn't he? Goes to the media.

Tries. and baches and moans about how he didn't get a win for the playoffs. Learn to live in the moment. You got, who's, wait, who was he talking about? You sack.

I thought he said, I thought he said fat. He did. He did say that. He called Busher fat? Wow. I think that's what he said. Bush is fat.

I'm fucking enormous. Real fat. Oh, I thought he handled it as he should for somebody who is, you know, fighting for a playoff spot. Listen, oh, yeah. We've already talked about why this,

why would have been like that. you get done with the race and we're looking at the scoring pile and you won the race. Your team is celebrating. And then it gets pulled from you at that point. I mean, I don't blame him for being a little bit upset. I don't know how you don't react way worse. Yeah. And the picture that he was looking at during that broadcast, it was a little blurry.

So it was hard for him to actually see during that moment. I think it was blurred for us. It was blurry to us. We're driving to the airport. We're looking at stuff the wide, this thin, the whatever. All right, let's be fine. Well, I think second of all it needs to be said that if you're, you obviously, if you're cussing Chris Bush or you don't know him as. Exactly.

Not a nicest guy. You're an idiot for cussing Chris Bush. You won't never be a nicer guy. Yeah, he's a great teammate. Except for that one time he wrecked us in Dover for a hundred grand. Why would you not? Yeah, probably. But yeah, Chris is a great guy.

I'll wreck you for $4 to get now the parking lot. I'm a fit tour guide at Kansas. of Speedway and been doing it since almost the inception of that track. And I will tell you, we got the best fan experience in NASCAR. And our finishes over the last many years have proven it. What a fantastic finish. Sad for Busher, but my God. What a weekend for photo finishes.

I can't disagree with them. Yeah. If you're a tour guide, when we go back there, September? Yeah. I'm not sure when the inception was, but. If you're a tour guide in September, bring about the old 23 hauler, and I'll say, hey. Yeah, I'll get your hat. Come by...

It is a well-laid-out facility, too. Somebody's hauler. Maybe I'll be there. You ain't going there. Oh, you can truck race? I think I might be doing truck race. Come on Friday. We just need 36 races to Kansas.

That was a great-h-a-raise. Other than Brett Griffin screwing up, Denny Hamlin's pit stop. Why do you eat Hamlin so much? It's wondering when I was coming up. Unfortunately, went to the race, but I had to leave the race. my son first race, but he was able to get an autograph from Chase Elliott, so made his day. Overall, great day.

Made Chase's day? Made Chase's day to get his autograph. Brett. Yeah, I was talking about that. I heard you got called out. I know the story behind this, but I want Brett to have his opportunity to, because Clint likes to, we torture Clint during the races. Clint was reacting to something else, though, too.

Clint's going to take shots at us any chance he gets. So Brett, here's the forum. Go ahead and defend yourself. First of all, I don't know what Clint said. But Glenn said it was your fault. He won't even text me back. This is pre-race. So I text him while it was raining because Freddie and I were like debating,

all right, man, are we spending the night here? Are we, you know, getting this thing in late? We were saying where are we going to go? So I text Clint. I'm like, hey, man, is there a TV window? And if so, you know, when does it end? Because if they got to be on air by eight, we know it's got to stop raining by seven. So he never texted me.

back. So clearly he's still mad about me giving him crap about showing grills on the infield in the middle of the race. So he's hurt. I mean, come on. Well, the point, what I, the only tweet I saw numerous times yesterday was. Jay, I got him right there. That's all I got to say. Matt weaver, Matt weaver tweeted this, who's a respectable person watching the race and said, Kevin Harvick is getting ready to make a poignant point and we cut to a charcoal Weber grill in the infield. What did Clint say about me? He basically just said, you know, for somebody, who's very critical about everything, literally everything, in his own words.

Should we save this for when you're perfect like I am? It is nice to get called out. And I think Clint could have added to it. He was trying to be nice and politically correct. So Clint, if you would like to add to your commentary, we can probably all have a conversation. Hang us to say. This all came from something else, though.

It comes from us torturing him. No, before that, they were reacting to a radio transcript, I thought, that was played. So this is what I did. walk down to Lambert, who I have an utmost respect. So the 33, here's back way up. The 33 ends up kind of blocking the 11 in his stuff. Well, we can back up for that. Real quick. Into stage one, caution comes out. Denny's basically leading the race. You're running last. I'm running. I'm the last car on the lead lap, essentially. I'm running next to last. So I'm looking at this thing, and I'm like,

if Denny has a normal nine second, 10 second pit stop, we're going to get there as he's getting done. So I walk down to Lambert and I'm like, look, man, if it's close, we're going to stop and we're going to let you out. If it's not close, the crew chief is going to call Austin into the stall. And so he says, okay. And then apparently Lambert keys up to Denny and says, hey, man, Brett said he's going to let you out in the event that it looks like you're done with your four-tire stop and they're close. So as we get there, Denny's not close to done. So we go into our stall. We probably should have went a couple feet deeper.

Denny had slid a little long. And so after the stop, Denny's not sure if he's clear to get out. So when he comes out... Are you blaming Denny? He comes out really slow. Danny blaming himself. And he comes out really, really slow. And then at the last second, he realizes, I'm clear.

And he goes ahead and leaves and exits his pit stall. And I go back to Lambert, and I'm like, man, we could have got in a little deeper. Did you have a bad stop? Because I didn't anticipate that they would still be there, honestly, when we got five away. And he said, no, Denny just took the blame. He said he got in way too deep. So I don't know what Clint said, but Clint has a microphone. I'm not mad at whatever Clint said.

I just think it's funny he won't even text me back. So Danny was in pit stall 40 yesterday, and I know this is not supposed to take this long, but Danny was in pitstall 40 yesterday, and I can promise you, Danny will never, ever, ever, or gay part, I should say, will never, ever pick that pitstall again. Never, ever, ever. Because not only did they get blocked by the 33, the next pit stop, have a good stop. They come out and the fucking 41 is parked in the middle of pit road and they almost run in the back of him and they got to stop because I think Ryan, and I don't even know it's hard to blame Ryan.

But what Ryan is doing is he's coming in late. So he checks up to let whoever, let me look, I'll look right here because I got it pulled up. I don't know who the hell of 41 was around, but the 48 maybe or something nine. Like he's checking up to let somebody out. but when you check up in the middle of pit road there's guys coming behind you too so it's so like it's you're in a no-win situation there you're doing the right thing for the guy there

but now you're you just screwed the 11 so what I can promise you is that that's the risk you take with picking your small back there spotters used to work together a lot in a lot of different scenarios a lot of that craft is gone away when I'm on offense you don't necessarily feel good anymore

about going down to the guy me and Jason Jarrett talked about this yesterday and said, hey, man, give me a break because they're not going to give you a break. They're racing like their life's on the line. They're racing the Stanley lap. They're racing for the Lucky Dog. So they're living in their own little world. The gentleman's agreement that Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon and Dale Jarrett and all those guys had, it's dead.

It's 100% dead. Guys like Ross Tastain, and we could keep going on this, they've killed it. And this car has killed it. So, like, when you look at this thing, I was in a position yesterday to where at certain points in the race, I went down to people because I am not there to screw up the race. You went and tap someone on the shoulder yesterday?

Austin is there to learn. RCR is there to have a third car gathering data to get better. And so the last thing I want to do is change the outcome of a race or screw somebody over. And if my guy does something stupid, I've always taken responsibility or part of the responsibility

if that happens. So, Casey, my point is like spotters aren't working together like they used to. Lamber Brett and I worked together later on in the race. I went down to him when he was leading, and I said, hey, man, where do you want me to be when you catch me? And he said the bottom. I said, I got you, bro, and that's exactly how it happened.

I agree with Brett. I'm part-time just like he is, and I'm there yesterday doing a guy that's getting run down by the leaders late in the race. And all I do is tell him, hey, the five's running against the wall, the 17's running the lane down. Here they come. And that's what you do. And don't be in the way. And don't be in the way.

And don't show any favoritism either way. And we talked about this with TJ two weeks last week because they were damaged and they were they were struggling. That was hard. But like what you want of a lap car is and TJ did the Brad, TJ, whoever you want to get credit to, did great job of this. As long as you know where they're going to be and they're not going to be idiots on the exit of a corner. Like if I can say the six has been on the bottom, you know, you go around wherever. Okay, I'm ready to talk about the truck race.

But I mean, that's all you ask for lap cars. You can see. As far as traffic. Or, you know, or if you're a lap car, like Brett said, if they come to you and say, where the hell do you want me? I'll go there. Don't, like, whatever it is. Don't lay lane me all the way down for two miles and then go to the bottom.

But there's spotters up there that don't even have enough common sense to realize it's a thing. That's where my struggle is. They're the fucking glitch in the Matrix now. How can we trust electronic scoring now that for five seconds, we all thought Busher won just to have a fucking hearts ripped out. Hendrick fan boys are probably milking their process. States over that finish. I want to be excited about it.

Casey, what's that face? Prostates will always get that face. Milking. Gates to finish altogether. Oh, my gosh. Milking. And while I'm in a ranting. Oh, he's still going.

I don't think of Quentin's anymore about how this car races on a mile and a half, particularly at night. And night? Just reconfigure Martinville into a mile and a half since you're never going to listen to the fans or drivers when it comes to the horsepower and tireware.

First of all, milking prostrates is the first. We've had some stuff. Shaving backs. We had a pineapple last week. The milking prostate steals is rocks. Only in goats. I still think Brett's the only one that knows anything about rocks. I've never heard that about anybody else.

I googled it and I tweeted it and it's a thing. You see the motorhome that I found? Maybe it's in the point. You see the motorhome I saw one in two doors down. There's something like three doors down. No. Did you see the motorhome that was at the Kansas racetrack? Pineapple and a flamingos.

Oh, so they were friendly. And apparently flamingos are part of the Swinger Club too. Brett, was that yours? What? It was not mine. Did you all have a motorhome? Did you all stand in the infield without me? We had an upside-down bus.

All right. Last one. Good Lord. Do you just hang up the phone when you're done with your message? I don't know how this works. Drunk? Mayberry. I don't.

Oh, Jesus, I don't know how this was. I just left the message. And I don't know if I done it good or bad or if it got went through or whatever. But I hope like hell it did because I studied for that son of a 15 fucking minutes. Got to wave around too. Hang up now.

So I press the button. Push the button. I better hang up. Yeah, give it to your wife, bud. Oh, my guess. Whatever you originally said is. I hope. I promise you, I promise you,

that message was better than whatever the hell you sent. Joel, speaking of wives, why aren't you not married by now? We already figured that out. It's kind of like the fun-sucking deal. You know, then... No, you can't say that. Why, he's a fun sucker. Oh, all right.

Is that what you want? I'm just not that much. I just don't know, like, in one sentence, why are you not married? Why have you never been married? In one sentence. In one sentence. Three words or less. No, he gets a sentence.

It can be my double chance. No, that's not it. I was trying to take it easy, right. I think my headset went out. I've got three chins and I've seen that sign in people's yards that said, I'm an ass. But I just wanted to sign. That's me.

That's you. That's you. I mean, I undoubtedly, I've had some pretty good girlfriends over the years. Because you're hot. That's why. It's the eyes, of course.

No, no, Herm's got the eyes. We're going to leave that way. Some gate guard complimented Herm on his eyes. Did you hear that one? I even tried to date a girl a thousand miles away, and that didn't work. Is that the perfect? That was your most recent girlfriend? Well, we still talk a little bit.

Let's talk. Let's get back. Her dog didn't like my dog. Oh, that ain't going to work. No. That ain't going to work. No. How would you know if you're a thousand miles away?

No, they don't. I went up there this winter, Casey, and I took my dog, and her dog had to have a muzzle because she bites dogs. We just said a segment. We need to call them every week out of Joel. This is like, I'm just happy the cops have not driven by this trip. To leave us an audio message, or if you would like a date with Joel, please call our number. There we go. Shazam.

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See consumercellular.com for promotional details. This one's from Easton. With how well Noah Gragson has been running lately, do y'all see him making it to the playoffs? No. Why not? Going to have to win. He is definitely going to have to win,

and he is 50 points out, I would say. I'm guessing. 40 something, maybe 50. and they got a, were they one of the ones that got a penalty earlier in the year? Yes, they were. I mean, that's a huge, that's a race. You know, that's essentially they took a race away from.

What was it, 25 points or something? What do you get yesterday? What do you get yesterday? You know what I mean? You got 30 something maybe? I hope he makes it. I truly do. I hope he makes it because he's good for the sport.

The way he's run, he should make it. He will give more time. He is the Richard Petty in today's world in terms of giving his time up for fans and he's got a great fan base. And I hope he makes it, but he's going to have to win. I know the kid went to Missouri to Bassbro Was hanging out with those people Just from what I heard from my friends this weekend

And a little kid was fishing with a pink hat on That's why you saw that whole crew with pink hats on this weekend Oh, that's cool Noah will get out there You know, and it's a lost art with some of the drivers You know, it's gotten smaller But he Obviously he's trying to build his brand back

Yeah And Bass Pro is a big sponsor Noah is a good kid. I think so, too. He made a stupid mistake last year. That's the entire life that me and you both have lived. We've all done it. And he made a mistake and he owned it and he's recovering from that now.

But the best way to recover from it, we talked about this with Kyle Larson is to drive your ass off. Kyle Larson. And finish top 10. Kyle Larson made a dumb mistake four or five years ago, whatever it was and came back out. And now he drives around you on the right side on the last. Yeah. And all you could do is get back in there and bear down. And Noah has made some changes in his personal life. It seems like to me anyway. You know, it's almost enjoyable to see because some people

get on that side of it and never get back. And the ones that do get back, it's great to see. You know, and especially for that team. Those guys are really working hard. We talk about it, whether or not it's a race. I'm assuming he got a 25 point penalty for that deal. He had a great race yesterday. We can all agree. Oh, yeah. 31 points. Top 10. He's got three top tens in a row. I think I read or tweeted. He got 31 points yesterday. He had stage points in both ages, 9th and 10th and got 31 points. So that's essentially taking a race away from these guys. Yeah, I don't, I'm with Brett. I'm looking at the points here. And Noah is 19th. He's got Daniel Suarez in front of him. Which doesn't matter. Swarres is going to win. Legano. I'm just telling you, like, these are the guys that he's, I'm just reading the names off here. So you got Lagano. Wallace, Brad,

Briscoe, and Bell. The farther you go, you've got to win. Yeah. You know, if we said it last week, if you were below, like if you were below,

we were 16th and 17th, I think, or 15, 16th, me and T.J. And if you were below that, you almost need to win. Like, Bubba can kind of point his way in because we are very close to them

and close to those. Those guys are hoping in that situation that Kyle Larson and Denny win the rest of them. So it's not about wins. It's about points. And you get there somehow,

but for sure. Probably not happening. Matt had a great question. If you guys were introducing NASCAR to someone, what race would you send a YouTube link to and why? For me, it's hard. I saw this question last night. And we talked about Bristol races.

The best race ever was the Darlington, Craven, Kurt Busch race. But it's hard to send somebody to that because I don't know you're ever going to see that again. I mean, we had a great race last night. But this car doesn't relate to... So you've got to pick, you got to pick stuff from this generation of car.

Like now it would be last night. You know, now last night would be the benchmark for this car. I think that was the best race we've ever had with this car. So if, you know, the greatest race in the history of NASCAR is, I think, that Darlington race where Kurt and Craven are beating their doors off coming down a tradeaway. But you can't send it to somebody and go, you're going to get this every week. I think that's what makes it racing. You're never going to know the best race.

And they're not all going to be good. You know, like I'm in towards the back because I started in the back, but I'm watching them guys swap the lead yesterday. This like lap after lap after laugh, like it was coming to the checker. And we're not even halfway through stage one. And these guys are racing like something really. You've got to be at the racist. You never know when it's going to be the best one, whether it's Darlington next week or.

Yeah, you don't know. Wilkes for the week after. Yeah, I think the history plays into the story of what. what place you take them to. I mean, Bristol hung its hat on the night race. Daytona hung its hat on the, you know, 1978 Daytona 500. When you had three channels back then and it was, you know, obviously a highly watched race, you look at Darlington, which I feel like is our Fenway of NASCAR. So for me, it's not just about the race. It's about the history, the experience, the drivers that have won there. I mean, I'll never forget the opportunity I had to walk into the brickyard. And this was

in 1999 and having watched, obviously, the first NASCAR race ever, which I think was in 1994, having watched so many indie 500s, just having an opportunity to walk in there was like humbling. So for me, it's more about the story of the venue, the story of the drivers that have won, and the product that's going to be on the track, Casey. But like, I've never, and this is probably a, a, fucking arrogant statement to make, but I've never engaged a rest. I've never engaged a fan that I took to their first race or hosted them at their first race and they say, man, this sucks.

I'm never coming back. Everybody's like, I had no idea. All of this went into this. I thought it was cars going around in a circle. I thought it was cars going left. When they find out the amount of passion and people and history and effort that it takes to do what we do, they love it. It's fun to watch their hair stand up. These people that first,

third time when they come there and they don't Yeah. You know it. I think it's a case by case basis and this is listen this happened long before I knew Brett and knew Elliot. One of my favorite races to ever watch and I'd go back and watch it again was that I think it was 2001 Bristol when you guys are on old tires

Elliot's driving his ass all like because I came from a rate I was born into racing like you know running in every corner like he was on water. He's in the Wood Brothers car and he's hanging on for a dear life trying to hang on to this win in Wood Brothers car, which is, you know, God knows it's a storied, you know, history of that.

And whatever they had since in? Two wins, maybe? Well, Blaney won a hand, maybe one or two. Yeah, you're probably right. They're trying to get a hundred. I'm not trying to interrupt you, Freddie, but they're trying to get a hundred. But Elliot was one of their best ones. Yeah.

And, but that race for me was one of the ones, like, because I was from Riverhead, a short track background. And you just know that guy's out there on old tires, driving his ass off. And so, but it's a case, so if it's a short track guy, Like if it's somebody that I was coming from Riverhead that watch race their whole life, it's like, hey, let's go to Bristol and watch this. Or, you know, you kind of, but it's case by case basis. It's like the, my first answer is always, where do I got to go take 205?

Yeah. I mean, even the racing at North Wilkesboro last year in a cup cars was subpar. But the exposure and the synergy and the environment was phenomenal. Like you couldn't have been in a better place where fans were more excited. And same thing for LA Coliseum in the first year. I mean, when I came back full time that year, I was most excited about going to L.A. and getting an opportunity to compete. And it's the same deal, man.

You had a whole new environment for NASCAR out there. We saw this, and I know you weren't there. And I don't know if you were there or not. We went to Chicago. The first time in that main spotter saying that I forget which car it was. Leaning over a rail. I mean, the people behind us that were first time seeing a car, they were like, holy, like, whoa, there's a, it's like going to Mexico City back in the day when we first got down there.

What we ran, there was road course races or we go to Canada. Some of these people's never seen it. It's genuine excited. It's so exciting. Back in the day is coming back. Well, I hope so. I was one of the naysayers. I know y'all can't believe that.

But I've watched the stands fill up a little bit this year. I'm hopeful for you guys that are still doing it. I think next year, like we always kind of hint that rumor. I think next year we get our Easter off weekend back. I think if they make the schedule more simple. Here's where you've got to be, and this is two-year-one racing, and we can hash this out for a minute if you want. Richmond is going to lose a date, I think.

I think they're going to lose a date to Mexico City. Now, I don't think we're going to Mexico City on Easter. I think Easter is going to be an off week. but do you really want that? I know we bash Richmond because the racing's not great, but do you really want to go from Richmond to a road course is my problem? I don't think you want to go to the woods from Richmond, but if you just back it down to 30 races.

That ain't have nothing. Well, I know that, Brett. But if you just backed it down to 30 races and ran good venues and got some space in there, you make people want more. You know what I mean? You got to want them to come. All right.

We're going to take a quick break and we will get to our one idiot picks when we come back. What an idiot. Freddie, would you like to kick it on our idiot. I would love to kick it off because this is somebody that I know likes to call people out. And whether it was his fault, his driver's fault, or his crew cheese fault, I've got to call out my good friend, Brett Griffin. Because something that we have called people out for on this show he did yesterday. you're a penalty car and you f***ed up the shoes Brett I'm sorry 79 is it my fault or is it that I don't know is it your fault I mean I heard off

before get the 33 out of there yeah get the 33 out of there and the 33 chose well I'm gonna tell you who told him the crew chief told him I was had radio problems on my channel too oh here we go yeah and we all have radio friends actually honestly I literally looked at Tim Fidoa during a caution cycle. And again, I'm not doing this. I'll be the first on this. I don't do this every week. The cadence, all the things.

I literally looked at Tim Fidoa, I was like, did they say quickie yellow? And he said, I don't know. And I said, pit road light needs to be green if it's open, red if it's closed, and orange, if it's a quickie yellow. We need our own code because I'm not getting all the freaking transmissions. my struggle was, and as we all know, it's different at every racetrack. If my crew chief was talking on Channel 1 yesterday or the driver was talking, and NASCAR said anything, I heard nothing.

Like, I didn't even hear them key up. In your defense, as a good friend of mine. Don't defend him, Joel. I'm a bunch of you in the face. The cautions should be the same every time. There should be no quickie yellow. Why is there a quickiella? Just rushing.

Yesterday we ran a quickie yellow and then we ran another three-hour delay. We ran seven. 17 laps clean up one car off the piquin apron, and then we go Quickeella and make all those cars pit with the lap down cars. It's done. So the rest point is, because I got to drive by you again. So it's going to get fuel.

Walking you fans through the experience, we're relying on NASCAR radio, which I didn't hear, then we're relying on an official to come tell us, which we have two on the roof. The official got to me after Keith Rodden told me and the driver that we were under penalty. The officials should have already been down there to tell me. So I, 100%, yeah, we were in the middle of the choose. Sorry it screwed you guys up if you're on the bottom lane behind me. Congratulations, you got a free spot. I did better because you, and I love you, Brett.

There are tiered things that are supposed to happen here. And to be quite honest with you, I'm glad Keith heard it because I did not hear it. Yeah. I tried to choose the bottom because I saw Brett choose bottom. Oh, we're going to move up a lane here. Brad were to the top. It worked out for us. I said all day, it's even in front of you.

Take which one you want. That's my word it was. My wouldn't an idiot was going to be Jordan Biaki. Now it's Jordan Biaki and Freddie Craft because there's no sporting venue that I've never not gone to because it's too cold. My what an idiot is we started to race three hours after it was supposed to start. And for the first 12 laps, the spotters got to hear every radio check in the garage. Cleanup one,

cleanup two, cleanup three, fire truck two, 35. I'm three wide. And these ass asses are on channel two or on NASCAR's channel going, you've had three hours to do a radio check.

Everybody's been there for 12 hours. What in the hell? This is weird because I literally heard of know this. Do you not, you didn't hear this? I don't think I heard this. No, I didn't hear a word.

I'm on, I'm on tell you, lap 10. Were you scanning? No, it was just NASCAR 1. It's all I got. I got the fucking note. I got no radio.

I'm going to go to tell you. I never heard anything of this either. You must have a special phone. I don't know. I have zero. They must let you die. This would be the perfect world of NASCAR is if Joel Edmonds could talk to the tower. Did you imagine?

Joel Edmund should be the tower. He would have lost his hard card a long time ago. I'm telling you, people will tell you all tomorrow when they. I didn't hear any of this. But it was 10 laps into the cup. It was 10 laps into the cup. race. When they stop asking Clean Up 2 if you can hear them. This happens usually like the parade lapsed. 40 minutes before the race. Yeah. They, they, they call this in. But I didn't hear it was annoying,

but maybe. You're the only one to hurt it. You're the only one to hear it. I mean, I would get it. Everybody heard it. If you were on NASCAR, I didn't hear it. Clean up to you got it. You got me? I love. Joel was in a different track. Joe, there's a, I was in South Boston. The problem is we also have seven different channels to listen to NASCAR on. Yeah, which one is? It's one, one, direct, eight, eight direct, 10, 11, whatever it is. That's because they're looking for the cleanest frequency. It's, it's the dirtiest frequencies. It's, yeah, fans won't have.

We've had, we've had more radio trouble. TJ, have you had radio trouble this year? I have. No, like, you have zero radio trouble at Talladega. I didn't even go and I couldn't hear y'all. Yeah, I was, like, we, we have, we have more radio trouble this year than anywhere else we've ever had. All right, TJ, one nitty. He ain't got no idea.

Yeah, I was just saying, we could go. Don't make it be me. No, you want to go, I'll just let you have it for the truck race. Okay. Oh, here we go. Yes. You might as well leave. I know you don't got time for this.

I do want to listen, though. Well, I want to hear live. I had Cam Waters in the truck race. Mate. He's running his head. Good kid, mate. Thank you, mate. Am I clear?

This guy's running his second race, and he's trying to, you know, do the... How old is Cam? Is he young guy? I think, like, mid-20. He's young. I think he's maybe 25. Okay. So I'm, you know, he's my kid.

But I'm saying, but he's younger than SBG. Oh, yeah. Running a race, never been off the bottom, trying to run. We run down the 38 truck. Lane ricks. Yeah, lane ricks. Good luck. I remember running his dad down about 30 years ago with Biffle every week.

About two laps down. You're already mad. We run this guy down trying to. You're already mad as if his dad. Well, I mean, it is what it is. You knew what to expect. I'm short. He's short.

And I get the short deal being mad. But we run this guy down from seven seconds. And he's running the top. Seven seconds is a straightaway. Seven seconds is a lifetime. So we run him down. And then we get there, he starts that up and down, up and down, up and down. And my guy can't run off the bottom.

He's run the simulator. He has no idea. Can't run. I mean, I can get him a. car width up. So we come to the checkered and we're banging and beating for 18th. And wrecked two trucks, not wreck them, but tear the bodies off of them. Yeah.

For no reason. And I just don't get that. The arrow racing is just not smart. It'll never be smart. It's never going to be, yeah. But I'm a need. I'm a need it, maybe. Maybe it's you.

No, it's it. No, it's me. You are an idiot. You are an idiot. But I never... I'm 100% of an idiot. When I saw that this was going on on, on Pet Road, I go, these guys are fighting about. Like, Lane Rigg should never be fighting Cam Waters.

We leave the racetrack after the race. I don't know who won the race. Who won the truck race? Heim. Best car all day. Should have won a race. And the first three tweets from NASCAR craftsman, whoever the hell it is. Kaz.

Is my guy and his guy, or their guy waving arms and my guy stand there. That's what sells. That's what sells. But I was proud of my guy. I got his helmet off first. He was ready to go. I go first, right? Yep.

So. Why? He finished. DBC picks. TJ, if you don't take Tyler Redick, Fred is going to take him. He's going to win again. I'm just telling you right now. That's the best guy available. Where are we going?

I know what you're doing for him. She can't pick him. Wait, what did you say? I want to pick Alex Bowman right here because obviously HMS and JGR are legit on fire. Eric Jones makes a lot of sense from a fantasy perspective coming off an injury, especially a back injury. That ain't a good racetrack to come back, in my opinion, even though I think it's his best racetrack. Chris Busher, Alex Bowman. Are you picking or you just talking?

I don't know. I'm trying to talk myself into it. Lottery. Lottery. Quick picks? Um, Busher. I'm, I'll take, go ahead, Casey. I'll take Larson.

That's a win. Big win. All right. If you're doing that, I'm going, I'm going to Eric Jones. That was done. God. I'll take Joey Logano. Sorry.

Oh, he did take him. Casey, congratulations. You're going to get your second win of the year. Are these guys even trying? I think that's second best. Are they trying? I'm taking Eric Jones with T.J. Do you see the scores?

I don't care about the scores. It's six, four to one to one. Are you guys playing? You're going to win this week. I do not cheat. Moving on to Darlington. That's why you're not. Well, you screwed me, Freddie.

That's why I run the back. Nice. No, no, you screwed me, I think. Oh, it's a double-shrunk. I bought his best track. He finished 17th. I picked Denny at Texas. We've never,

we've never had a better race track and you pick us and we've run like dog. I picked Chris Bela, Las Vegas. Should have been a lock top five. I take the blame for Red Egg losing because I totally. All right. Close us out, Casey.

We got to get the hell out of it. Darlington. What shall we expect? There's a nice, TJ. Give me a weather report. I have any, oh, look cold. Cold? What?

Yeah, it looked like your weather. I love cold. You're going? I think I'm going to go Saturday. For what? Are you working? I think I'm going to try to go to the Gamecock baseball game Friday night and then go to the... Are we into college World Series?

No, we're playing Georgia in just a weekend tournament thingy. But I listen, Darlington is one of my favorite tracks. There's so much to do when you get to Darlington. You're an hour from the beach. You're an hour from Columbia. You're an hour from Charlotte. Obviously, tons of stuff in Charlotte to do. So it's a sweet spot on the schedule.

Joel says all the tracks only deserve. one race. I don't disagree with him for the most part. Darlington deserves too. I love the difference between the 400 and the Southern 500. This is my favorite Xfinity Series race of the year. It's 147 lapar. It's no holes barred. You can't wait. You got to go. Like, this is an awesome weekend for NASCAR. I lied. Nice. It's Friday, 81 and cloudy, Saturday, 76, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. What was Friday again? Joe. Joe. What was Friday again? Eighty-one and Cloud. That's my kind of deal. I'm one day show. Thank you for coming today. How do you want, you want a parting word? I mean, you're going to come back this year at some point.

I'll come anytime you guys. I know. Evan, if anybody watched DJD reloaded last week, fucking Evan is apparently a voice actor. He did phenomenal. So, Evan, I want you to take us out with a thanks for listening in whatever voice you want to kick it off to. Go European, Evan. Thanks, Evan. That was a rapper, rapper. That was pit bull. That was a pit bull. That was awesome. Have a great week, everyone.

Thanks, Joel, for joining us. Thank you. We out. Oh, hello. See out, Dirtymoe media. Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram. Obviously, before the end of this show, I need to take a minute to think about my buddy Glenn Dixon, just a overall racers, racer, one of the best guys on the planet.

We lost him this week and one of Tommy Baldwin's right-hand man and just like I said a racer's racer Modified guy through and through, tire guy through and through. Just somebody we're going to miss dearly. Just a great guy. Nobody's ever had a bad word to say about Dixon and we're going to miss him a lot. Rest and peace, Glenn Dixon.