Door Bumper Clear - 333 | Waivers, Bath Bombs, & Burnouts

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

Casey Boat, TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, and Freddie Kraft break down the exhilarating finish to NASCAR’s race at Gateway that saw Austin Cindric emerge victorious after surprise issues for Christopher Bell and Ryan Blaney. After a week’s worth of drama with no resolution in sight, could Kyle Larson really be denied a waiver? Fighting for a playoff spot, did Kyle Busch make a critical error by racing Larson too tough? Plus, whose bracket is busted the most after just one race? And we hear from Ryan Blaney fans lining up for bath time on Reaction Theatre. FanDuel Disclaimer: 21+ and present in NC. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Bumper. Clear. Clear. Clear. Hey, what's up, everybody, Brett Griffin. and you're listening to Door Bumper Clear. We're back from a busy weekend, man. Some great races took place over the weekend.

What's up? Freddie, you survived the Bahamas, I see? Yeah, I think so. I might still be feeling the effects of it a little bit. You can't even talk. What's up, Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubba Wallace and Ty Dillon this week? T.J. We don't know where the F.J.

I mean, his opinions are always remote, but today he's actually physically remote, apparently, but still not here. So we'll start without him and see if he can. He used a clip from the previous episode of like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Hi, Casey. Does he know that he clears his voice and throat that much? He does.

He is aware of it. He is very much aware of it. Yeah, Jason used to go through and delete all those out. Jay, I don't think, has the patience to do it. Jay doesn't have the patience to do that. Poor guy. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It just depends on how many curse words we got, how many throat clears we got.

It's a week-to-week thing. If I was you, I'd clear out all of. the throat clearing and leave all the curse words in. Yeah, that's what I do. Start with the throat clearing, and if you don't get to a couple curse words, nobody else is going to mind. Any good offers on the streets in St. Louis this year, Fred? Nope, no. Thankfully, I brought my beautiful wife, Megan, with me, so nobody, no, no.

So that's how you got to go on the bachelor party. That's, no, no, she wanted to go. Here's what happened here. Megan actually screwed this all up because she says, I think about Dover, she's like, I want to go to Dover because you get out, like the Dover Xfinity race is early on Saturday. So you're like out of one. So you start a one. You're done by three.

And you got all day Saturday to kind of hang out. And but like that didn't work out because she thought about it too late. She's like anywhere else you go that has a really early expedite race. And while I'm looking at the schedule, I go, oh, Gateway. Gateway's got a 1230 local start. And then, you know, there's a cool little downtown area. Me and Brett's been a bunch of sports bars down there and stuff. A couple cool restaurants, a couple streets are maybe questionable.

You get proposition a little bit. but so I said yeah sure why don't you come down here you know so she plans a trip to gateway and then she's like oh god that's the week after you go on that bachelor party you're going to be dead and then turns out we get a rain delay all day and I don't get done racing until six o'clock anyway so this is this whole weekend was basically Megan's fault I think oh well I'm so glad Megan didn't have to see what what you witnessed last year although it wasn't really seeing anything it could have worked out in her favor too at the same time I don't know about that.

All right, well, I was going to wait for a T.J. on this one. But, you know, Freddie, you weren't here last week. Again, one of the hottest topics of the week for the past two weeks is the fact that Larson still has not received a waiver for last week's Coke 600. If you had the chance to make a decision and thank God you don't, would you give it to him? It's tough. Somebody clearly does not want to give it. to him. I don't know who that is, but there's somebody somewhere that clearly does not want to see it.

I think it's a lot of people. I don't think it's just one person. I think that they, I would probably give it to them just based on precedent set. I mean, you gave Chase Elliott one and don't get upset with me, Chase Elliott Nation. This just happens to be the guy that this example fits. This guy got suspended last year and got a waiver after getting suspended. And you could talk about Larson chose to not go to, you know, Charlotte. Well, Chase Elliott chose to hook Danny Hamilton in the fence and got himself suspended for a race, and we gave him a waiver. So if that's the precedent we're going to follow, I don't understand how we haven't

already just given this guy a waiver. If it was up to me based on the brass tax of it, I would say he doesn't deserve a waiver. But what you've done in the past can't, is dictating what you do in the future. You've got to give him one, I think. I'm surprised you say that based on kind of where he's. you're at in this playoff picture i don't want him to get one by no means so i want him to get one because that that eliminates a spot now right now we're three to the good or three you know there's two drivers behind us that would eliminate one if he gets it but listen this is the precedent you've

said the guy got suspended he wasn't injured he wasn't this and and you gave him a waiver so now all of a sudden because your feelings are hurt that he chose this race over your race like now you don't want to give him one he take their feelings are hurt i think somebody's feelings are hurt what else is what is what is what is the example. I mean, what else? What could the explanation, I should say? I was told there was a scheduled status update that was supposed to take place, and the only people that showed up for the status update was NASCAR. And if that's the case, I don't think that sat very well with a brass. And the thing, and that's very possible, but to me, and this was kind of running rampant in the garage at Charlotte, like when they're, like before the race started, everybody knew he wasn't

coming. He announced, I'm not coming. I'm going to come back once I'm done with the 500. everybody that you spoke to in the garage where i was having a conversation with jordan bianchi and other guys that you know people that would you know respected opinions they're like well they've had to have some kind of conversation right they know they're getting a waiver or else they would not do this right and it's like oh yeah absolutely they've somebody has talked to somebody in ascar which obviously they can't formally apply for one until the next week or whenever that whenever that process i was also told there was no promise in place yeah i i mean listen it's hard to believe that but But it's obvious now that's the case.

You know, I don't know. Maybe they talked to somebody that didn't have as much pull as they thought they did. I can tell you this thing, Casey's going to the top. It's going to, this is going to be a Jim France, Lisa Kennedy, Ben Kennedy decision. This thing's way above anybody in that cup garage that's in there on a weekly basis. And I'm surprised by it, you know. But I think it goes back to what I said last week when Chris Rice was on here. And it was, did Kyle Larson and Rick Hendrick choose to skip the Coca-Cola 600?

and the answer is yes. They choose to skip the start of it. So if he came, if he flew back in and he gets here and he gets in that car after that rain delay and he wins the race, wow. Now they've got to be even more difficult decision. So something else we talked about last week was how having Larson do or attempt to do the double benefited NASCAR as well. Do you really believe that?

I truly do. I think the content that they put out, I think the coverage. I think everything that went behind it, NASCAR did a great job covering it and trying to support IndyCar, and I feel like IndyCar did the same, at least from a sponsor standpoint. If I was a sponsor supporting both,

I would be thrilled. Freddie, do you think that that benefited NASCAR as well? And in that case, should grant him the waiver because it helped them. Yeah, but at the same time, if you're NASCAR, are you upset the amount of attention

it gave to IndyCar? Because Indiccar benefit way more. Indiccar, I think. I mean, obviously that's the most prestigious race in the world, I think. But I think you had a lot of extra eyes on it due to the fact that Kyle Larson was running it. And maybe that's where this comes in that a NASCAR is upset that, you know, obviously in the greater picture of all of motorsports, yes, the double drew a lot of attention to both races. But I think it probably drew a little more attention to the 500, you know,

just from people that might be more of a NASCAR fan, look watching that because of Chase Elliott. I mean, Kyle Arson and you know you look at the ratings you know for forever our ratings are much higher than theirs so they're they're trying to pull from our audience we're not never trying to pull from theirs I think Kyle Arson is the most stated name in all of motorsports in America I I tweeted that the other day from I don't know it was my countercounter racer but it was you know this the that was one of the cringiest interviews I've ever watched Bob Packers have to do and Bob's listen everybody's like getting on Bob because he kept asking about it but that's Bob's job and and Kyle just was kind of like he can't really answer it.

Like what's he supposed to say until he knows, you know, you're kind of in limbo and it's just a cringy situation to put your, I said the sports most popular driver. I meant motor sports, I think, across all, all fashions of race. And, you know, he, I think, is the most popular driver in the world right now. And, you know, it's just a bad spot to put him in. And the fact that we started yesterday's race without a decision is not, I don't, I want to say troublesome, but like you run races differently based on your points position and if you don't know if this guy's in or out of the playoffs that affects the

way you know people can call the race could you see them saying that he has to become eligible again starting this week meaning he's basically got to win starting now i i don't think so only because if that was the case and and maybe i mean it's not out of the question by any means because they can do whatever they want but they would have i think they would have at least announced that before the race sunday not not right him of a race to gain his eligibility back, you know, like... Which they could back like that. But I'm just saying like, you know, if he goes in,

maybe he races a race different Sunday if he knows he has to win again. How long do you think this goes on? Man, I mean, I would have told you on my flight to Tuesday last week. I was expecting to land and hear an announcement. So this has gone on already a week longer than I've expected. Jeff Gluck tweeted yesterday that NASCAR just put out the points report after the race and Larson is listed second in points, but now shown with zero playoff points. And last week, he had 17 points after the 600. So does that share anything? No, I think this is all,

like, I think at the end of the day he gets a waiver. I think them dragging this out is sending a message that they don't like it. Maybe this affects some other negotiations that are going on in the world of NASCAR these days. You hope not. You hope, yeah, I mean, and that to that point, And what Freddie's alluding to is, does this give NASCAR leverage over Rick Hendrick and this charter negotiation? Does it? Yeah. And if it does, if that's what is trying to go on, does or should Rick Hendrick care that Kyle Larson gets a waiver or not? Rick Hendrick is an owner could care less because his owner's championship, which is going to pay the bank, is still there.

Yeah. Like to me, you know, if they're trying to leverage this in some way, which I don't know where they are or not, but if they are, like if I'm Rick Hendrick, I'm just, what do I care? Go ahead. Don't get my way over. He's still going to drive my car. Kyle said that made that clear in his interview today. Nothing's changed for me and my team. We're still going out trying to execute the best we can. You know, so he's still going to drive my car. He's one of the best or maybe the best driver on the racetrack. I, you know, just because you take his name off the driver's championship, listen, the owner's points, we talked about on here before a million times. The owner's points is what matters. That's what pays the charters. That's what pays the,

you know, that's what pays the money at the end of the year. So, you know, do you, do you Is it really the end of the world for you or if you're Rick Hendrick to give up anything in this negotiation? I think the thing the fans are most upset about as it pertains to this whole discussion is this discourages a NASCAR driver running the double. Yeah. You heard it yesterday. I think Brad was one of them that brought it up. Like we everybody NASCAR, when I got to North Wilkesboro for qualifying day, they were there qualifying. We were there qualifying. We were running the All-Star or the Open maybe practice.

I can't remember what the hell we were running. but we were in the hauler. Bubba and Reddick are sitting in the hall are watching Kyle Qualify. Multiple drivers sharing video of watching Kyle Qualify. You know, that's just qualified. That's been making four laps out there by himself. And everybody, you know, he jumps up to like P1 on the board of the six that have gone or something like that.

And everybody's in the hauler, high-fiving. It brought like a sense of camaraderie to the R sport. Like we're all getting together now cheering for him. And now you kind of tarnish that by, all right, well, now is anybody else going to want to do can risk the rain or risk, you know, because, God, you know, I know everybody says it's easy to, like, he should have just left and came back. Well, there's a lot of damn money spent on that Indy 500 car as well, you know, and with the expectations of him driving it and, and I don't know what their rules are even if somebody else can get in it after qualifying. The only guy that was

eligible to get in it was the rookie that D&Qed for the Indy 500. Yeah. No way else was eligible. That's, yeah. So, like, it's just, I don't know, it's just a murky situation that just keeps getting murkier by the day, it seems like. And, At the end of the day, Kyle Larson has a boss, and that boss's name is NASCAR, and he didn't show up for work. And the boss is making a decision as to what the punishment is. Yeah. Do you think he gets it? I think he gets it.

I'm very glad I ain't in charge. Yeah. I agree. I think he's going to get it. Does this sour the relationship between NASCAR and IndyCar? Because I think like Danica and how celebrated she was when she came from IndyCar and came over to NASCAR, does this sour the relation between. Between those two entities? New Garden already said he wants to do attempts.

But I'm just thinking if you're IndyCar, do you look at NASCAR now and you go, well, screw you guys. Yeah, why are you? Well, Indy car vertically is Roger Penske. He owns IndyCar. He owns Indy 500. He owns freaking car. The 1,800, 800.

Like, yeah, Jay. Like, I get what you're saying. At the end of the day, I think NASCAR is so much bigger than IndyCar, that IndyCar drivers realize that we're the best racing in motorsports in America. And we're where a driver can come and make a lot of money. Indy car can make a lot of money if you win the Indy 500. I mean, it's a $4 million payday this year. But outside of that, I mean, their ratings are not great.

They're 300,000 a race. Their purses aren't great. They have two cars in their stable for the most part. Like, it's a much cheaper series to run than what NASCAR is. So I still think we're the pinnacle of motorsports in America, and we will continue to be. But 10 years from now, you know, if the Indy 500 and Indy car gets a ton of momentum because of this Kyle Larson thing, like, are you bent or do you want to be NASCAR and allow them to benefit and grow their model based on your drivers? I think it mutually benefits on motorsports, but that's just my opinion. Anyways, shifting gears to St. Louis. Freddie, I'm glad you made it without any incidences. But speaking of Roger Penske, he had a pretty solid weekend, at least for the winner. Austin

Cindrick, congrats to that whole team. What do y'all think of the race? And Freddie, I'll start with you because you clearly maybe didn't benefit as well. Yeah. Yesterday was one of the worst races I've been a part of from my person. Like just spotting wise, the spotter stand there is, is quickly rising up my list of ones I can't stand. So it's not any better than a word here one. It's just top of the grandstands all the way down towards turn four.

So you have a tent still in the way? Yeah. You got a tent in the way off of Ford. Turn one tent. Their stage is much better now. Good. But you still can't see anything. on entry to one because you're so close to the race.

It's almost like Pocono. It's so close to the racetrack. And I told Bubba going into it. I said, man, I really can't see much. And this is not new to us. We've been on the same spotter stand for three years. But yesterday I just felt like, I think a big part in Britt, I think will back me up on this.

A big part of our job is being able to anticipate what's going to happen kind of before it happens and not so much reacting to things that are happening. And what happens in turn one is, you know, you. you lose kind of sight of your car. It's just you're looking at tail panels and all. I mean, I felt like yesterday all of them were black. And they drive down into one and they start splitting each other.

And you can't see the runs coming because they're driving straight away from you. And you can't see who's got momentum and you can't see who's kind of getting ready to peek out. So then you get in a one and some guy jams it three wide in the middle or split you to the top. And you're like, oh, he's outside. Now you're trying to talk fast and let him know what's going on. And I mean, I sound like an idiot yesterday. And I promise you,

I was hung over from the bachelor party. I didn't have a sip alcohol all weekend. And Bubba, I got on the plane yesterday. I was like, man, I'm sorry. I said, that's easily the worst job I've done spotting in, I don't know, 10, 15 years. And he agreed with me. So that was good. And he's just like, man, it's not so much seeing.

He's like, just like, you know, it's hard to understand you. And I was like, man, it's because I was bread knows, I talk really fast. And especially on the radio sometimes. And I was just, you're trying to react to stuff that's happening versus, all right, this guy's got to run. He's coming here, this, that, and the other. So it's, it was not a fun day. there and then we just we couldn't get anything to go right for us yesterday we we we're gonna run long

then we kind of aborted that and of course we pit and then 10 laps later yellow comes out we get trapped a lap down then we have a we get back weired about 20th 25th have a really good restart get up to about 15th and core the joy about bust his ass right in front of us we got to stop and watch 10 guys go back by us so it's just can't believe you didn't start with the incident where you door slammed kislaski oh god i figure out i figure I was going to wait to bring that up. I figured TJ is going to say it 800 times on here because God forbid anybody touches his card.

I don't know. The track temp, I think, was 40-something degrees hotter on yesterday versus practice and qualifying. And when we fired off the race, we were loose. And we were, I think it was lap two. We got inside of Brad down the front stretch and Bubba just went to one,

kind of like he saw Larson do with Bush later in the race. Just gets loose on entry and chases it up into him and door slams him and knocks Brad up, you know, I don't know, knocks him back three or four roads of cars. And TJ's, of course, over there bishing him. Like, I don't know, no, no, keep your car off. But, uh, so I figured we'll wait because he's going to mention it.

We should start a count on the show. Somebody started because he's going to say it no less than five times throughout the show somewhere. I was like that time you ran into us and wanted to. And then he'll bring up four other incidents that happened in the past. I'll talk about the truck race for a minute. Man, I was looking at the results of this thing. and I was looking at this from a few different ways, right?

Carson Hoselar leaves the trucks, go straight from trucks to cup, which I said on here years ago, I thought that was more possible than ever because of the way the trucks race and this cup car races. And I'm not trying to take credit for anything, but I'm just saying like, we see a guy that was running well winning races, go to cup, have success. I'm looking through this list, man, and it's like,

and no, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to any of these guys, but there's only about five guys that can actually, wheel it in that series right now. Like I am not impressed with this truck series lineup of drivers. No? No. I mean, listen, Corey Heim is the class. Corey Heim and Christian Eckers are the class in the field right now.

Majeski, very good race car driver. I would have to look at the list. But I mean, there's obviously talent in there. But to your point, you're right. And this is, I feel like in motorsports, like everything is shifting closer to the Cup series. Like back of the day, we had the ABC program as Arca Bush Cup. or even, you know, you'd go to your local racetrack and they'd have a go-kart series that ran on Sunday or Monday,

whatever day was. And it was loaded with kids racing and they were ages from 5 to 15 or 16, 17. Well, all them kids that were like 12 to 16-17 now, well, they just race late models. They don't race go-carts no more. Right. So like those kids that were 20s, low-20s racing late models, now they're up. They're running trucks or ARCA. So I think everything got kind of escalated to where everybody's kind of getting,

above their skis to use a reference for your skiing days. But, you know, it's almost like some of them are kind of fish out of water. But to your point, like they got the money, they can go. There's no, nothing stopping them from doing that. When I get past eighth in that race, man. Where did Dean Thompson finish in that race? Just curious. Dean Thompson finished 14th.

Oh, did he? Oh, he actually did. He didn't finish as good as he ran because we were given Doug, our buddy, Doug Campbell, congratulations to him, winning spotter yesterday. Doug goes to meetings all week, you know, to break down stuff at Penske, and then he works with Dean during the week as well. And Dean was running up front for a majority of the race, top five. I think, you know, he qualified up front.

He was running well. And I said to Doug, I said, man, Doug, it's weird. You took a week off to because he came to the trip with us. And I said, you took a week off to go to the Bahamas with us and skipped all these meetings. And all your guys seem to be running much better. Maybe leave your input out. Maybe stay out of the meetings.

But yeah, to your point, it's not, you know, it's, but I mean, there's, there's, There's talented race car drivers there. I mean, I know. There's a lot of talent. It's just, we got to have bigger names in that series. Yeah, I mean, but I don't know how you develop that. How do you, yeah, how do you do that unless it's just like, it's win? What about Grant and Finger?

I mean, he's struggled this year. He's only got four top tens and he's 10th and points. Like, are you surprised that he's not further up the leaderboard? No, because he's trying to build a team. He went to a team that wasn't very competitive in the past, and he is, he's brought a lot of good people over there. And they're running, that truck is running much better than it ever has. and there's been races where, I mean, there was a race a couple, I don't know, about a month or two ago, he was leading.

I thought he was going to win. I can't remember where it was, and he think he blew a right front tire. So, you know, I think they're running better. But that's the guys of that sport always kind of, that series always kind of relied on the granite finger, the MacCrafton. You know, those are the guys that made that truck series what it was. Ben Rhodes. Ben Rhodes. So, you know, it is what it is, but Corey is clearly the class of the field, I think, right now.

and I mean, he's hard to beat unless they kind of beat themselves. He's rumored to be the third guy in line for the 2311 car. I'd be surprised if that happens, but he's rumored to be one of the guys they go after. I don't know anything about anything. I was going to say,

does that come, is that become a funding thing or a talent thing? Both. But if you say there's no talent in the truck series right now except for a few guys. I mean, if you're 2311, you're looking at this thing as, you know, the model changed when you have to go out

and buy a charter because obviously you want to fund your car, but now you also have to fund buying a $30 million charter. So if you spread that out over the course of, say, multiple years, you know, say it's five years, well, you now need $6 more million a year to come in to fund the purchase of the charter. And obviously, the value of that charter you assume is going to go up, which can offset some of the spending. But nonetheless, $30 million is a lot of money. Probably not to Michael Jordan, but Denny Hamlin, $30 million is a lot of money.

So to be curious to see what happens there. There's a lot of names in a rumor mill as to who's on their list. I'll be curious to see who they go after. I do think they get whoever they want because they're 23-11. They got a ton of speed. They're in a really good spot, really good ownership group. And that's a big deal. Well, that should definitely be interesting.

Did I finally showed up? I think. I saw Dale taking a picture in the background. You're not wearing pants or something? Well, I'm glad you finally made it, stupid. How was your flight this morning? You got a flight? Yeah, the flight was great.

That was the best part of my morning so far was the flight. So before that, getting up and, you know, I got home last night and I did my laundry, packed my bag, put my suitcase in my car. Well, I go to leave for the airport, 645 this morning, and my car is locked shut and completely dead, like won't open, nothing, can't even get it open. Your Tesla? Oh, yeah. It did not.

I couldn't get the charging cable out of that. I couldn't get the door open, the trunk open, called Tesla support. They couldn't get any signal from it. And yeah, so it had to get a... It's been bad. That sounds expensive. Yeah, especially, I don't know. Yeah, it's ongoing still right now, but I'm sure it's going to be super cheap.

All that gas money you've saved over the years is probably getting ready to go out of the window. It just ruined all that gas money. So I'm not really happy with Tesla too much right now. But yeah, it's been a, it's been a rough morning. But the flight was great. A friend of ours, Dale Jr.'s old spotter from many years ago, his old spotter from last year, Joey Meyer has a small plane. What's you got, a Sessna 182 or something?

No, it's like a Piper Aviator or something like. Nice. It's really cool to fly in those. I really enjoy flying on those small planes. So is Brett. Joey is a great pilot. And like you sit there and talk to him the whole time. He'll tell you what these things,

what everything does. And he's a lot of fun to fly with. I don't ever, I don't think I ever want to know what's going on in the cockpit. Ever. You know what I mean? Like I feel like we talk about this a lot when somebody says like what makes a good spotter.

And Brett will always use the example. goes, you don't need a great spotter. He's like, Brett, spotters are like pilots. He says, you don't really need a great pilot until some shit goes wrong. He says, and then you need a great pilot. Joey is a great pilot. He's going to push the buttons in that thing. Whatever than buttons he pushes, he knows what to push and when to push it.

And this plane, he's still working on getting things upgraded in it because it was built in the 60s. Awesome. Yeah. It was built in the 60s. That's a long time ago. I'm telling you. So I asked where the cup holder was.

and then this thing folds out. And he's like, yeah, that used to be the ashtray. And I'm like, okay. It literally looks like Austin Powers Living Room inside the thing. But it's super cool. It's nice. And it's a lot of fun. It doesn't have autopilot or auto, you know, where they can just push the buttons

and it kind of navigates itself. So he's literally flying the whole time. I thought about. So do you have to go through clouds in this thing? Oh, and we took off this morning. We definitely went like, yeah, there was a couple of few minutes where you couldn't see a thing. and I'm sitting there like, oh, man, I'm on flight away,

looking for other planes in the area real quick to make sure. So it was fun. That's what I mean about, you know, like, I know driving, like, somebody will text me or something. I'll, like, look down on my phone and I'll swerve over into the other lane for a second. And it's like, does that happen up there? You know, like, are we, how close are we to doing something real stupid? So it looked like it reminded me of driving in, like, really, really thick fog,

or Brett probably does know, like, but Freddie probably does, like driving in a snowstorm when it just, You get like blowing snow and you get them white out conditions. That's exactly what it looks like. And he's just over there flipping buttons. And it's kind of dark when you go through the clouds. But as soon as you get on top of them, it's like, oh, I need my sunglasses now. So it got clear as we got further down, you know, further along there and stuff.

But yeah, Joey, Joey is a lot of fun to fly with him. You know, I'm sure he would have let me fly if I would ask. No. That's all he wanted. Are you in my favorite state or are you in Florida? Which ones do you go to? I'm in your favorite state. Watermanman and Capitol.

Oh, that's Paisland. Yeah, that's Paisal. That's not my favorite place. All right. Well, we're not glad you made it. But we were talking about Cindrick, and I was just getting ready to say, like, Cindrick was, you know, this was no fluke. You know, he was fast all weekend.

And Brett, I know you weren't there, but practice qualifying, qualified second, ran up front all race long, which seemed like. And then obviously Blaney runs out of gas. But, I mean, this was not some win he backed into. No, he was fat. Pancy Cars, that's probably their best track as far as speed-wise as a whole, I think so. They've been fast there last two, maybe all three years. I don't remember 22, or 22, Joey won it.

Yeah, and Kyle won it last year. So yeah, they've been fast all three years there now. Yeah, Cindrick, that's no fluke, man. He ran strong all day. And even if, you know, without anything, he was going to finish top. three no matter what. Yeah, I thought he was the third best car all day. I thought Bell was the best.

He blew up and him and a Blaney there at the end. Yeah, in a long run, in a long run, he might have been about a fourth or fifth place car, but man, they have short run speed. And he drove a clean race, and that's what you have to do. I mean, you got to drive a clean race to get to the end. And Austin, you know, Austin puts a lot of work in. I've said this back before when I first met Austin and did a couple races for him in the Xfinity series. Austin puts a lot of work in.

And I think from his first Xfinity race as to what he became as an Xfinity driver, he was probably the most improved driver there from year one to year two. And then he's obviously, he's almost a two-time champion minus one corner. You know, he should be a two-time champion. But Austin works really hard. and he deserves a lot of credit for, you know, getting this win and putting together a race. So, you know, congrats to those guys. There's a lot of really good guys on that two team as well.

So happy to see them guys find Victory Lane. I remember him showing up and winning an Arker race at a road course somewhere. And I knew, obviously, it was Tim Sindrick's son, but I never really followed his racing career. And then I think the first oval race he went to was a Dover truck race, if I remember correctly. and he was awful. Like when I say awful, I'm talking like seconds off the pace to start. You know,

he got better as we practiced. But I was like, oh, this kid is just a road racer and that he's never going to be any more than that. So to see that and then where he's come from from since then is, is impressive. And listen,

Ford, we hammered Ford for a little while on here about, you know, that one races. Well, we, we're talking here, stupid.

You're in the upper state. But, you know the they they obviously got speed at darlington when tj won and and there was a lot of rumors in the garage that they have dug gates to thank for for for this newfound speed i don't know if they got an engine update or what the deal was there but they they were not lacking in the horsepower department yesterday i could promise you that much it was cool to see austin start the race sideways as were a lot of guys because you're like man this this guy's in trouble and obviously that went away and he had speed but it christopher bell was

lights out the fastest car all day. Yeah, I thought so. I mean, there wasn't a-it-a-bid-bid-bent if he didn't have a problem. Then obviously, Blaney's got the thing in the bag. I mean, God forbid, we put a full tank of gas in the car. And I mean, so you guys say he didn't back into the win. I actually think he did, but he was super fast. He was in contention, obviously, by being in the top five. But if those two guys don't have problems, I don't see him on that race. I agree with that. Yeah, there is a fuel thing though there. Sorry to interrupt you. There was a fuel thing, though, too. Like, if you ran long, you know you had to take a certain amount of fuel and you know if you were going to run long and

you know and we were in kind of that window too of you know are we going to be able to take enough fuel right here so there definitely was a little bit of strategy there and they wanted us like go out to the lead you know and and I don't know spot on spot off topic I'm sorry I haven't even see dude I haven't even got to the show sheet where's my show sheet man I don't see one I'm not Ryan Blaney, though, and I was listening to the Teardown this morning on my way here, and they're talking about, hey, man, Ryan Blaney, championship contender. And I'm like, how do you say that when he has zero wins, and he doesn't have a bunch of playoff points? I mean, we know that to get in the top eight, to feel secure by getting in the top eight,

you have to have that cushion of playoff points. You can't afford to go into a playoff format where there's 16 guys in it, and you don't have a bunch of playoff points in the bank. Because one bad race in that first or second round, and you're toast. Yeah, I mean, I think he's 12th in points. He's right in front of us, I believe, maybe 30 or 40 points ahead of us. So that's not going to get him a playoff point either. No, like it's, it's, you know, I mean, obviously you have to, I think,

factor him into the playoff conversation with the championship conversation because he is the defending champion. And he can get hot in those last stretch races like he did last year. Because I think if the playoffs started yesterday, other than Dale Jr., you're not going to find anybody that was going to pick Ryan and Blaine to beat the champion, and he did. So, you know, he has to be in the conversation, but by no means, I don't think right now,

except for maybe Dale Jr., anybody would put him in their final four. There's too many guys with too many playoff points. I mean, you've got guys with 15, 16, 17 playoff points. Kyle Larson, I don't know how many he's got. He's got none right now. He had a lot. He had 17 before last week. Oh, boy.

How about, you know, shifting gears to Portland? I don't know if this is the DBC effect, but we did have Chris Rice on the show last week, and SPG scored that win. What a race. Oh, it was awesome. I know. I hate I missed it because I got one restart.

I got back to the hotel for one restart. It was a hell of a race. Yeah, I missed it. You say this as a competitor, turn one and two on restart is stupid. Like, it is flat out, stupid as indie was when we ran the road course there. Like, it is not realistic.

There's no talent. No, it's just go in there and wipe somebody out. It's a shit show. So SVG went in there first lap of the race and wiped out Sam Mayer. See you later. But SVG wins this race with literally both fronts, left, front, right front, not completely in. And we know how important an arrow is, whether you want to hear or not, even on road courses. It's super important.

This guy's cars, it looks like he ran Bristol in the 90s. It is absolutely killed. It was an incredible race. By far my favorite NASCAR race of the weekend that I watched. And I love that we're in that market. However, Victory Lane, it needs a lot of work. I saw a video of... Dude.

It's, I mean, that's got to be the worst victory lane in America. Like, spend some money. You got a freaking national television broadcast out there covering your state, your city, your racetrack. Give us something to be proud of. But anyway, cool win for SVG, obviously, see Rice. And Chris said on the show last week, they felt probably more pressure to go out there and win that race than they've ever

felt. Clearly, you have two of the best road courseers, road course racers. road course racers in the country in your stable. AJ was never really a factory. He also had to start in the back. He had some issues in practice where he got rid and a wreck because somebody, you know, had fluid on the track. But he,

you could tell in Chris's eyes like he knew they had to win. Yeah. And I don't know. I kind of saw, you know, I was kind of trying to peek at, you know, some tweets or something during the truck race to see updates. But,

and you were texting some, obviously. But, you know, it sounded to me and I don't want to pick on this guy because I love this guy to death. I think he's one of the greatest guys in the garage. Allgaier dominates another race and doesn't get a win. Like, I mean, was he the best car? I think SVG was the best car and driver. Justin was in the best position, obviously. But SVG surrendered stage one. He was going to win stage one. He had a four second lead, and he decided to pit with two to go, come in,

and then obviously flip the field. He was the only car to do that. So that allowed Justin to win the first stage. Second stage, Justin was there. I mean, listen, it's, you're watching this thing play out, and it's Justin Algaier on the point, and then the next three cars are JGR cars. And you're like, well, how the hell is he going to defend all three of these guys? Because they're going to go in here and K.O. this thing. Chandler Smith ends up screw up. Channel Smith screws up coming to the green, and he runs over the car in front of him, knocks the nose off his car. And a lot of things allowed SVG to get back up there. But, yeah, I mean, Justin certainly. Creed got a penalty? I didn't see that restart.

I know he got changing lanes. Yeah, he did get a penalty. Changing lanes too soon. I seen a tweet from Catrars like, is this seven going to win or all the JGR cars? And when I turned it on, there was no JGR cars. I go, what? Maybe he meant J.R.M. Like, I don't know.

Yeah, it was a phenomenal race, though. I do believe, I mean, like you hate to see Xfinity have to go that far from home because it's very expensive. The thing that was very strategically cool about it was you had to be on pit road a minimum of 63 seconds. So you didn't have the super fast elite pit crew guys out there changing tires, but it was very obvious that some teams were able to, you know, hit that 63 second window better than others. Because some guys were losing more spots than not, when in reality, you weren't losing it changing tires. So it was almost like bracket racing. Like you had, it was

63 seconds on pit road, I assume, like line to line. So you were trying to hit the end of pit, wall at 60.1. Yeah. So, because I did see a lot. I was wondering, when I got back, they were interviewing guys, you know, on TV before the restart. And Tyler Allen, I think he's a crew chief for, I don't know, I think he's on the 20 car, which I don't even know who, maybe True X was driving it.

But he had like a head sock on it. He's a crew chief. And I'm like, the hell is he wearing a head sock for it? And then I realized like Chris Bowen was another one I'd seen crew chief was going over the wall. I go, oh, that's right. They got that deal where they don't got to be really fast. You had the guy jumping on Jesse Love. loves car, dry hump in the hood.

God, I was going to say that. You just had to make it inappropriate. Had to. I thought he did. The best part about it is you don't see him coming. Like Jesse's pulling into his box and all of a sudden this guy just swan dives off the wall. I'm not sure I want to see that, Freddie.

Well. I thought it was awesome. My second favorite race the weekend was a car store race at Conor Hall won. God, almighty. That three wide finish for the end, I mean, holy cow. I wore my cars. And the coolest thing about that race at the end of it, if you hadn't seen it, definitely go look on Twitter, is they didn't rank each other.

No, that's the thing I tweeted. I said, you know, is congrats to Connor Hall for winning the race, but also congrats to Carson, Travis Quappel and who was on the bottom? Cruz, Brent Cruz, because Brent Cruz very easily could have went in there and just decided that he was going to win and knocked those two up into each other. And he kind of held it down enough to where they all had an opportunity to cross the line together. And the reason why we got that finish is because them guys in the middle and the bottom had

enough respect for Connor to race clean to the wind. I have breakfast with Conner. Those guys that had to hold their lines. Yeah. Oh, Freddy, don't know how to. Is that what you're saying? That's one. That's, yeah, not mine.

What happened? TJ, we missed something? Would you like to share with the class? Oh, what you mean? Might as well tell us. Just like lap two. I mean, geez. I thought it was lap one.

Geez, I think it was two. Yeah, I think it was lap two. Yeah. So I thought we were both going to have flat tires. Don't be on the track. when the train's coming. I've made a great save. You got to give him credit for his talent level.

I thought we were, I thought we were going to have a flat tire, which was, which I really didn't want that happened. I thought you were wrecked. I thought we were wrecked. I wasn't worried about a flat. I thought we were both wrecked.

So, TJ, did you say something after Freddie or after that happened to Freddy? What did I say? I said, dang, Freddy. I didn't really say anything. Just kind of hold your, hold your line. Hold your line or something. And what Freddy says, I forget what Freddy said.

I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I think we're just magnets. So we can't get away with each other. I agree. Y'all love each other. All right, Casey, we've been rammed forever. All right, well, we're going to take a quick break, and then we'll head into Spot On, Spot Off.

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He gets on this podcast and he says how surprised he is to see this happen. I got a couple perspectives on this, having obviously worked at Stuart Haas, having a lot of friends that are there. Our buddy Justice, who's the IT guy over there, was one of the first people that I sent a text to when the news came out. But they knew that morning that they were going to be told that charters were being sold. A lot of them did not know they were going to be told that all the charters were being sold. I think they were under the impression that, okay, they're selling two, we're keeping two, we're going to keep going. So I think there was some surprise there for the employees, which, I mean, ultimately that sucks.

But for Kevin Harvick to say he was surprised, I'm not surprised. And the reason I'm not surprised is Gene Haas came into this sport. If I remember it correctly, he had guys like Scott Riggs. He had Jeff Green. He had Tony Raines. He had no OEM support. And he didn't get OEM support until he signed with Tony Stewart to partner and become Stewart-Hoss racing.

And at that point, Tony had left Chevrolet with Joe Gibbs Racing. and had gone to Toyota. And Tony, I don't want to speak for Tony, but as I remember this correctly, Tony didn't want to be with Toyota. Tony wanted to be with Chevrolet. So Tony cut a deal to leave Gibbs, go back to the Chevrolet brand with Stuart Haas and Gene Haas. Gene Haas was in prison while this happened. So this partnership forms, and now Gene Haas gets two things.

He gets OEM support and he gets Tony Stewart, which is a hell of a talent. From there, obviously they grew and they won championships, but when they switched over to So the Ford brand, they got a big money deal. I mean, we remember hearing, and I don't know how many years this term was, but we remember hearing a $60 million deal. And it's like, holy cow, this is obviously Ford wants Stewart House Racing badly. Well, obviously Ford elected not to continue their OEM relationship with Gene Hoss, Tony Stewart, Stuart Hoss Racing.

That's when the end started coming. Yeah. And we heard that last year. I mean, that was in the rumblings last year. It's just unfortunate, like you said, all these guys. And there was two of them, a driver and a spotter from Stuart Oz Racing. We're on the trip with us. And we were giving them grief on Tuesday because they technically got fired on their day off.

And but to that point, you know, it's just, it's a shame. There's so many good guys over there and talented guys. I mean, like you said, championship winning team members that, you know, got caught blindsided. That was the biggest thing I took away from is, you know, like, how do you not like let these guys know or or give them some kind of you know foreshadow to to this is coming you know or it's even potentially coming because all we heard out of there from anybody was you know it was that you know we're not being told anything all the drivers are basically in the media saying we don't know nothing we haven't been told anything and

and Kevin I don't know where and I don't you know I don't want to speak for Kevin but it seems to me like somehow and this could just be him taking Kevin's very dry humor he he takes shots all the time you know he like pokes the bear a little bit and him and Tony were really good friends from what I recall with Tony being at the racetrack. And now this is the second time in a couple of weeks. He took a shot of the ownership of Stuart Haas. You know, remember when Wilkesboro, he drove the five car and he said it was nice to see the owner twice this week or hear from the owner more than, you know, more than

once this week or here from him, period. And now he's taking these shots here. So it's, it seems like that's a little bit soured somewhere. But yeah, it's just a just an unfortunate deal for a lot of people and a lot of good people in our sport. TJ. Yeah, same way. I mean, that place went from mainly championship contenders to just being gone.

So I hate to see it. There's a lot of good people over there. And I think it's going to get tougher as the year goes on, I think, too, because they're probably going to lose some people. Steff and not going to get easier. Yeah, something not get easier. Let me ask you this, TJ. and Brett, you two. You know, there's, there's, let's just use a spotter for example, because there's, you know,

spotter, we're all spotters. If you're the spotter for a Stuart Haskar and listen, Spire just made a change a couple weeks ago and now they've got a guy, a part-time guy doing it. Who also still races. Who also still races. So he might not be able to, Stefan Parsons is who's spotting for Corey the Joy right now. And I don't know if that's a long-term plan for them or he was a second spotter for them. They just felt like he did a good job and they have filled that hole.

but if you're in position to to leave Stuart Hoss Racing, right? And you're under contract for the year. You know, these guys have all signed a contract for the year. In my, would you guys leave? I would ask to be released 100% knowing that my future here is out. Done. I mean, I hate being right about this, but I said at beginning of the year, every driver at Stewart Hoss Racing is on the hot seat.

And I didn't think it would be because they were shutting the doors at that point, right? So the spotters, everybody. You know, Rodney, here's what we know. Gene Haas has a bunch of money, and I think they'll do this the right way to finish the year financially. I don't think they'll not pay people or try to cut corners. I think they're going to try to go out on a high note. But at the end of the day, man, as a spotter,

if you've got an opportunity to leave, I 100% would walk into Greg Zipadelli's office and say, please release me from my contract. And then if Zipadeli didn't let me go, there's ways to get fired. You don't show up, you're going to get fired. You know, to me, it depends on looking at the scenarios they have there. It depends on the relationship you have with the driver. If you're with, you know, if I'm with a driver that I've been with for a few years

and we have a really good relationship and he's got, you know, I think these drivers, I think some of them. I'm going to put you on the spot right here then with what you're saying because I feel what you're saying. You're with Ryan Priest right now. What are you going to do? I mean, if I'm with Ryan Priest, I mean, I know Ryan, but if I haven't been with him for a long time, and I'm not on that, if you're not on that where you talk to the guy every day basis, like, I've been really lucky in my spot and career that the drivers that I've worked with, I mean, we talked every single day pretty much. And, you know, two of the guys that I've worked with have been two of my best friends since I've been involved in racing.

So I'm going to go where they go. So I'm not going to bail. You know, but I can see some of them guys, you know, if you get an offer, that is going to be long-term, you've got to do what's right for you. And the doors are going to close as we get later into this season. You know, doors will open and close as we go here,

but if you don't take the opportunity when it presents itself, it might not be there in six months. This is really early, really early in the season. I mean, we're only, how many races in are we? 12, 13 races, 13, 14? Yeah, I think I don't even know. It's 14 or 15.

I mean... 15 if we're going to 11 to go in the point. So we're a third of the way through the season. This is really early to be, you know, making big changes. And the silly season started, I mean, I feel like this season is backwards. I feel like it's not until the playoffs start when silly season starts. And, you know, it's full, it's full bore right now. So, but I, you know, back to it, I don't, depends on the relationship that I have with the driver.

If I'm with, if I'm with a Chase Briscoe and he's telling me, hey, man, I've got some really good things in the works. I really like you to say with me, I'm going to, you know, you're going to be the guy. You know, you know if it's going to work out or not. But if that's not the case and I don't, you don't have that comfort level, then I feel like you have to do what's right for yourself. Is it hard to jump ship at the same time of, you know, if that's the deal. If there's a Corey the joy deal out there, you know, the seven car is Corey the Joy. You're going to jump ship from where you're at now to go to the seven where Corey's future might be. a little muddy. You know, if Corey says, this is the guy I want, and they go get you, you know,

whoever you want to pick the Stewart Ospotters, you know, and I, which I think Corey's fine for another year. But, you know, is now are you jumping on another possible sinking ship? Oh, you know, I mean, it's just, it's such a muddy deal for, you know, this is kind of with a behind the scenes of what goes on up on the roof for us. Well, here's the best news for all four spotters and all four crew chiefs and all four team members that travel on these road crews. is these teams, it's not like when Tyler Jett went out of business or when, you know, whoever, Bill Davis went out of business, those cars and those entries went away. Now these entries are guaranteed to go somewhere.

So it's not like it used to be. This is where the charter system is very beneficial to us as people in the sport because NASCAR, as right now, doesn't have their hand in that particular part of it. And these charters assuming they get an agreement done, I saw what Denny said this weekend. I saw what Brad said this weekend. Denny said there's a ton of work to be done. And Brad said he feels like we're close.

That's not the same thing. But I think for these people, they're guaranteed another entry somewhere in the sport. Not necessarily guaranteed a job, but certainly that opportunity exists. 2311, adding a spotter. Trek house, adding a spotter. What's the other one? Front row, adding a spotter. Then there's still a fourth team out there that's going to end up with a charter.

Are they all pretty much set to receive those charters? or front rows already said they had one besides Bob Jenkins was seen in the Stuart stewardhoffs racing shop he interviewed a lot of the guys because he wants to retain some of the talented people that are there obviously there's a rumor he's getting that shop there's also rumors that you know some of those sponsors may even be tied to what he's got going on so a big opportunity for them but that's listen that's the top three that and that's been the case for months we've been hearing that for months I don't think you need to jump on this if you're if you're a Stewart Hawest spotter if they want you if they want you if

They want you to go there and they know how the loyalty thing works. If you sign up, to me, if you commit to one of these guys. I think the challenge, T.J., is you're looking at four drivers who have one win combined. Chase Briscoe has a Cup Series win. Josh Barry does not. Ryan Priest does not. Who's the other one? Noah Gragson does not.

Noah's had the most speed. I would say he and Drew Blikinsdurfer probably looked like a really good package deal to an ownership group right now. Rodney Chilers. How married is he? to Josh Barry. Josh Barry doesn't have funding like a lot of these guys have. Noah, Norgrexon has,

he has freaking Bass Pro with him. Obviously, Chase Briscoe has Ford behind him. Ryan Priest, to me, he's in trouble. And I think Ryan's a talented race car driver. I think he's in a bad situation,

and it just got worse. So if you're married to Chase, that's why I ask you the question about Priest. If you're married to Ryan Priest, how long's your honeymoon going to last right here? Yeah, I don't, I don't, like,

if you got a, you know, it'd be hard to jump for not a stable deal for sure. but if there was a guy, if there was a top 15 guy that wanted you and you gave him the commitment that you would go with him, then I still think you don't leave in the middle of the season. You finish where you're at and then you go after that. If a Riley Herbst or a-Coluster Chandler Smith or a Corey Hym, let's say that's the top three candidates for this 23-11 car. If one of those guys gets that ride, that puts the whole

theory that you're talking about, that puts that one guy out. So you got to make sure you're not married to a guy that's out. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. What about what about you mentioned Riley, Colcuster, Xfinity series? You mentioned Cole Custer. Well, I mentioned Cole Custer for obvious reasons, but you know, what does that look like now? The Xfinity team? Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I've heard rumors that if there's still going to, there's still going to be some kind of Xfinity presence at Sourdaz racing, but that's strictly rumors. You know, I don't know where, where they're at right now. And I think it depends on do they have funding. There's, you know, I'm sure Riley brings a big chunk of that funding.

If he goes cup racing somewhere, you know, what does that do for their funding? If it's just sitting there with Cole Custer, I don't think. Cole has some funding. Cole has some for sure, but not what. The question is, will Cole keep funding from Gene? Because let's state the obvious. Gene Haas is obviously very tied to Cole Custer's dad, Joe Custer. They have had a business.

I mean, so Zipideli and Frude run the Stewart version of Stuart Haas. Custer and I can't remember the guy's name all the top of my head. There's two guys with Gene that kind of run the gene side of the business. Carl is his name. All four are awesome guys, right? But you had the Tony interest and you had the Gene interest, and they were separate from one another. Obviously, Brett Freude was the acting president for a long time. He since took on a job with soccer here in Charlotte, but he's still very involved.

So Casey, like the question becomes is when Gene walks away from NASCAR, Is he walking away as a cup owner or is he going to still be a lobbed in Cole's career? Because if he is, that's a big win for Cole. If he's not, there's another big question mark you got to answer. Should be interesting. Next topic. Ryan Blaney was never told he was close on fuel before running out just before taking the white flag. And he finished 24th.

Spot on, spot off. TJ. I mean, I mean, I've got to be spot off because I feel like if you're close near the end there, he had a big enough lead where he might have been able to manage it a little bit, you know, after Bell had his problem, Ryan might have been able to manage a little bit of fuel saving to get to the finish. And as accurate as things are now with fuel mileage, I feel like them guys. I mean, maybe they, I don't, did they know that he was getting close? So going back, and I think our fuel run was about 75 laps yesterday. I don't know where you guys were out on the Ford side. He pit with, I think it was 64, yeah, 64 laps to go was his last run.

And Larry Mack, they said, I was listening to Terry down the way in here, they said Larry Mack went down and looked at his last pit stop, and he seemed like one of the only people to put one can in. and just because guys put a second can in doesn't mean they put a whole second can and they might have just needed a can and a splash or something like that obviously but yeah I mean this is a big spot off for me because he had a big enough lead he had he had he ran out taking the white he didn't have a lot to save um but to your point did they do they just because teams know what happens is you do you pit for fuel you know what's gone into the car because

you're weighing the can you weigh the can you weigh the you weigh the can before and after so you know if that can's empty all that fuel got in there and and if not you know now as long as there's no spillage yeah did they did they did they have your calculate you know the mileage calculated wrong i mean like i said only missed by a lap so it's a small calculated i mean a big miss by a mile miss by a mile uh but you know it's just it's hard to believe that they just let them run out you know you know i mean like don't even tell it like so a lot of times we've all been in the situation i think we were at the daytona this year like as soon as we left pit road,

booty's like Freddie, we didn't get enough in it. You know, we're trying to leave with the group and we didn't get enough in it. Had he flipped his switch? Well, there's no switch really anymore.

There's no switch, but it's not what it used to be. It's not a lap. It's, you know, much less than that. For our cars, anyway, I assume everybody's similar now. But maybe a bad assumption.

But yeah, it's, and to TJ's point, they were behind the two. You know, they were on the green flag cycle, they came in behind, running behind the two and jumped him by, you know, by quite a bit. They pitted a lap or two before him also, so that helped with that.

But, but they did jump the two. So they definitely were there for a shorter amount of time. It's just, and I could go back a look at it. But, yeah, I mean, it's hard to believe that they knew they were a little bit short and just. We had discussions, Brett, under, we were discussing because we knew that if we pitted a certain time that we were going to have to take more fuel than what the stop, than what the tire change was going to take. And we were kind of trying to play the strategy with that, too,

to we're trying to eliminate that. So I know there was, I know there was, that was part of the play is, you know, fuel how much you put in there was going to come down to it. So, obviously,

obviously didn't get enough in it. So Ryan's last pit stop was 9.09 seconds, and the two's last pit stop was 10.69. So they were there for, second longer or second and a half longer than Ryan was and I don't that's I mean that might be the difference I'm spot off for Blaney just man holy cow like this this completely could change everything you've only got 11 races left now to essentially win and guarantee that you're in the playoff you've only got 11 races now to go out in accrue playoff points and it's just as a defending champ

as a guy who's very popular amongst our fan base it sucks and and obviously tim fetal was over there now spotting for him he left the four car last year with Kevin Harvick and went over to Stuart Hoss, or went over to Penske. So, man, I hate it for those guys because after Bell had his problem, which, oh, by the way, it was cool to see Martin literally pushing Bell down the street and whatnot.

Listen, this was, stage one was a boring stage. And I kind of gave up on the race after that, and I started doing some stuff with Bodie. We went on a scooter ride. I was listening to it on the radio, and then I came back and I was in and out of the kitchen. The end of the race was 10 out of 10. up until then this was certainly not one of my most favorite i actually thought it was a pretty good

race because there was different strategies and those guys were trying to hold on there was guys with two tires four tires um and there was you know there was multiple grooves and i pray that if there are any tires left from yesterday that they set them on they did uh those tires could definitely last a long time for i mean just have a bonfire and let's probably longer than my test fireball and let's let's let's blow those tires result, please. Another on-track incident. After contact with Kyle Busch that resulted in both cars spinning, Kyle Larson said he

turned down into me. Bush finished 35th while Larson still managed 10th. What did Kyle say is there? That he turned down. Kyle Larson? No, I'm sorry. That's confusing. What did Kyle Bush say when he was interviewed outside of the care center?

Because I saw him being interviewed, but I didn't hear it. I think that's what he said. He talked about. out, well, I don't know what, yeah, Kyle Larson said he turned out in me, right? This is confusing as f***. We're talking about two Kyle's. Yeah, I don't know what Kyle Bush said. One Kyle f***ed up.

I don't know which one it was. Oh, I can tell you what it was. Which one was it? The one that's on the fuck. Well, one of them is not in the playoffs right now. But the one that's on the cut line is the one that fucked up. Because, listen, they're racing their asses off here. But you got to know, you can't, as tight as the points are, if you're Kyle

Bush, you can't have a dean. and F. And it looked to me like they had a little bit of a pissing match in three and four. And then they got down the front straightaway and kind of turned, you know, did the old bounce down off of each other. And then Kyle, Kyle Bush held him really tight into one. Larson gets loose, chases it up into him and wrecks the two of them, which by the way, I don't even know where Larson finished, but like, 10th. A couple years ago, three years ago, he's destroyed in the garage with him. This car is indestructible, except for like if you get pinned against the wall by somebody else apparently. But yeah,

To me, the guy that the guy that screws up in this situation is Kyle Bush. And he's now 20 points out of the playoffs. Because he's now he was in the playoffs, P-14 of the standings, and now he's 20 points out behind four guys, you know, three guys, whatever it is to get back in. So it's a mistake, a guy, an experience, I mean, Kyle Busch is easily in the top five of most talented race car drivers on the racetrack week in and week out. And for him to make this mistake in this situation just is a very surprising. So who turned into who?

So Bush squeezed him. into one. They hit on the straightaway. I think, yeah, I think that was Kyle Bush running into Larson because he was pissed about what happened in three and four, and then he held him tight into one as well. The internet said it was Larson, yes. I felt like Larson, I felt like Larson off of four drove into Kyle's left rear barely. And then I felt like they got in a pissing match down the front.

Larson got loose, took them both out. Obviously, the A car took the bad end of the deal. But, you know, I wasn't aware of how tight it was at where it. Kyle Busch is that in the standings, and yeah, they can't afford to make that mistake. So I'm looking at it right now on the phone here. And I don't, was it that lap that they had the little match or was it the lap before? Yeah, yeah. It was like off of four, in the middle of three and four, then they kind of race each other hard down the front.

Then they held them tight. Yeah, I didn't really see anything in three and four. They just come, they come, if anything, the five just comes up to them on exit. Oh, the five might, okay, so the five definitely probably goes up and clips them a little bit on exit. In the left rear quarter panel. Yeah, it looks like he was trying to side draft, but move just a little bit too close. He hit him. But he hit him.

And when he hit him, then Kyle did come down. Kyle Bush, let me reference that. He wasn't happy. Then he did come down because he's mad and then they wrecked. So this is not the first time. This is confusing as fuck. I agree. You're telling me, this is not the first time that Kyle Bush has taken his frustrations out to some extent on track, obviously.

Brad, you're saying, you know, at this point, he needs to just run his race and to be able to make the playoffs? I think Freddie stance on its spot on for sure. He's got to, listen, he's got some good racetracks coming up. I mean, he finished top five, I believe, last year. Sonoma thought it was a year before. He's got good racetracks coming up. Like, he's going to have to go out there.

And it's so hard, Casey, because I've been on these teams, I've been on these teams where you're points racing, and it sucks because you get to Sonoma and you're like, Do we try to win the race or do we points race? And when you look at guys like an AJ Amadinger that's going to be in this field, he ain't going to care about points. He's going to be able to call his race to win the race. When you look at a Michael McDowell, who is a very good road racer, same thing.

When you look at a Kyle Busch, you have to make a decision of, okay, when everybody starts peeling off with two to go here at San Omar, or three to go, are we going to stay out and get points and then start in the back, or are we going to do what we've got to do to get a good finish? So it sucks to be in these scenarios. I've been there, man. And that's Blake Shelton literally asked to come on our show because he's like, I want to get on here and talk about

folks not going for the win and going for points. Because as Clint Boyer, there were years where we did this. And then you end up, you're like, oh, man, we're good. We're 12th. We're 13th. And it's like another winner hits. Another winner hits. So the guy right now that is, what, 14th in points,

which is Chris Busher, like he's nervous. He's real nervous. But he's also got a race for freaking points. I think this is, I think Kyle Bush, uses this stuff. This is usually when he comes out at some of his best. He comes out of these things and just

he uses this as fuel and he comes out and he'll end up winning a race. I could very easily see him winning you know in the next three weeks. We're going to take a quick break and then we come back. We'll hear y'all's thoughts on reaction theater. Now it's time for one of our favorite segments

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Everything he says is stupid. I can't. I just can't do it with him, man. Freddy, we need you back. I can't deal with how dumb Brett is. It's too much Tito's in the water. Get that man some help. He needs help all right.

I'll give you that. Brad, I don't think he's a fan of yours. And I don't give a f***. The dude that just jumped on Jesse loves. Carr is insane. He is an animal. That was awesome. So Jesse and I were texting yesterday about the possibility of creating a shirt

with a dude dry hump on his hood. and we put Blaine in on the text thread. I think it's one of the coolest things I've seen all year. Like this is WWE. The guy comes in off the top rope and he's on pit road. Barstool tweeted it. And he's a big boy. Like he looked like me jumping on the hood of this thing.

And the sound that NASCAR Kaz Carlsom put with it was freaking phenomenal. I didn't see that. Yeah. I can't imagine. I mean, I tell you, the best part about it, I don't know if this is just a replay I saw, but the best part is you don't see him coming. Like Jesse's pulling in the box and all of a sudden

Boom You know Belly flop on the Barstall Sports even tweeted it Yeah Like that's how big it was my buddy large From over there It looked like him

But you know he's lost about 100 pounds I don't even recognize him anymore Playing NASCAR Sunday Last night Like 3 a.m. Like you know what? Fuck you Brett Was it you?

I don't know I think it was I don't remember It depends on what game it is I was the last game That was not good I was a spotter of the worst NASCAR game of history

I think You're welcome Yeah Thanks a lot What the f*** did Austin Sendert 2 To deserve that much Kibankan karma

Bell dominated Motor Blue Blaney kicking butt Runs out of gas What type of good fucking karma Does he have

Also It's acceptable now That you do Burnouts And drift the entire Roadcourse After a win

That was pretty bad That was super bad. That was really bad. And literally, McMurray was on TV saying, I don't know many of us that could have done that. It takes that much talent slash car control.

By the way, Jamie did a phenomenal job on TV. McMurray did during the Infinity Race. And he and Adam, I can't talk. He and Adam Alexander together are, they're really good. I could see those guys having a legitimate shot to be the guys next year. Speaking of Jamie and television,

do we got to get to the bottom of this Taylor Gray thing? Like, why is Jamie? I saw, like, what happened? I don't know what the context was, what we were talking about, but somehow she ended up calling Taylor Gray. I think it was Taylor, a tall, thick young man or something like that. I don't know where we got, what train of thought got lost where, but maybe a Freudian slip of some sort. Phil Parsons was just trying to pretend like it never happened.

Have you heard the whole clip? I didn't hear the whole. I just heard her clip. Phil Parsons just keeps going like nothing, like nothing happened. Oh boy. Is he thick? She was, I think she was referencing the brothers and how obviously, you know, they're just different. I don't know how to explain it. I have no comment. You wouldn't explain it by saying he's a tall, thick young man. But you saw he changed his Twitter by. Oh yeah. Which I would too. Somebody called me, somebody said, give me comments. I'm a bit. I mean, they're a bad. Freddie, you are a tall, thick young man. I'm not very tall.

not very young either To all Ryan Blaney fans in the tenants of the race today I just want to let you know but the tallest building in St. Louis is the Gateway Arch That's all Where is the tub

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Go 12 I promise you I had no idea that was coming Go 12 Poor guy I feel bad for him Like Damn I mean

And it's like it's one thing If you know it's coming You know what I mean Like if you're close I've been saving Bah fuck we run out Like you're just cruising along And all of a sudden

Blu-oh Oh shit What's that Something's breaking You know Like God almighty Well I got the bath bombs

Ready too We got a choice of an Oscar poster Or Worple I'm thinking a little fancier I think I'm going Wharfill to come around So

Well it was good It's been a rough Three weeks So the 12 bathtub is ready to go again I don't blame you At all Attention and all Ryan Blaney fans Please enter the bathtub

Single file please one by one Watch your step floor is slippery Come on ladies and gentlemen I'm back in the tub. Oh, back in. Careful. Yeah. Single file back in the tub,

Co-ed, this could get ugly quick. When I tell you that 75% of the reaction theater calls were bathtub calls, all of them. It could have been in the entire reaction theater this week. He's got a lot of people in the bathtub.

He gets them in there. That's a T-shirt we need to design for Coucher as a tub with the number 12 on it. That's it with a wrap. Yeah. Yeah, with all these people sitting in it. Single file backing into each other. Yeah.

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See consumer cellular.com for promotional details. Oh, moving on to AskDBC. Just use hashtag AskDBC on X to send us some questions. This first one is from Jared, with Carson scoring his second top 10 of the year. How worried should Corey Lejoy be? Seems like Hosevar is outperforming Corey every single week. I saw a stat somewhere, and I can't remember if it was one that Trey Ryan sent us, or somebody just saw it on Twitter.

He might even posted it on Twitter, but Hosevar has two top tens now on non-drafting tracks, and Corey has none in his career over there at Spire, or maybe even his career period, I'm sure. Obviously, you have to be worried if you're Corey the Joy. I said earlier, I think he gets another year in that car. But still, like yesterday, they kind of put themselves in a bad spot yesterday where, you know, track position was king. I get it. But the last thing you ever want to be, the last guy you ever want to be on the racetrack

is the last guy without tires. And that was the one restart where we got a really good start. He was probably restarting around 10th, 20th, 12th, I would think. And we passed a bunch of guys, and we're now up to about 14th. And he, I don't know if somebody tried to, you know, somebody moved him or he just got real loose off of two, but he's sideways and stacked the whole top line up. And we got buried in traffic because of that. But yeah, they need to step it up if Corey, I think like I said, he's going to, I think he's got another year left. But if he wants to survive any longer than that, he's definitely

got to make some in road somewhere. Next one is from Chris. How busted is your bracket? after week one. This is a sore topic. I was nervous when Kyle Busch wrecked out until I remembered he was going head to head against Barry. And I believe there are zero perfect brackets. Yeah, according to Blake's text,

I saw from Dirty Moe there, yeah, zero, which is not surprising because it's so hard, you look at it, it's not like the NCAA tournament. You know, I mean, you look at it and you're like, okay, this is an easy win. And if everything goes like, like Ryan Blaney is out of the brinkie. bracket. You know, he's going to win the race and something, you know, happens and he's out of the

bracket. And now you look at Barry, I think Barry, like I said, Barry and Bush were against each other. They finished last and second of last, but one of them's advancing, you know, so it's a, it's a weird deal. I don't even, I haven't even looked at seeing how bad mine is busted, but a lot of surprises on the top of them. Yeah. I mean, I mean, like, Hosevar, Haley, Dylan. Yeah. I mean, like, they lost their brackets, unfortunately. Like, some of, a lot of them, I think, lost, but, like, Haley lost to Danny Hamlin by, you know, like, if Danny has a bad pit stop or something, you know, he's going to get knocked out. Truex did get knocked out by, I think, Austin Dillon, he was the number two seed.

So, yeah, I mean, it's just. Zane Smith had a decent finish yesterday, too, didn't he? Yeah, I think he was right in front of us, maybe 20th, something like that, 21st or 19th, maybe. Like we talked about him, he's got to run all the laps. Like, he cannot go to track house next year as a rookie. Like he, and you're going to go as a rookie if you're not, the problem, mate, there's no practice.

There's no opportunities to get better. I mean, I was in a meeting last week where an executive mentioned that it takes 90 to 100 races to be a good cup driver these days and to have enough experience. So like when you look at, is he going to go to track guys next year? Is he not? Sounds like there's a few people. Sounds like they got three charters and four drivers. They got more drivers and they got charters, that's for sure.

We actually kind of put Chris Rice on the spot last week and said, we know SVG didn't come over here to run Xfinity, not forever, right? I mean, he was even a surprise he got to run full-time Xfinity this year. So that's a good question, maybe. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I don't know. I mean, that's a question. Yeah, it's a fair question. But he's got to run all laps.

He's got to get experience in the first half of this year. Man, he struggled to do that. So there's only 11 races left before the playoff start. And we know what happens when a playoff starts. All the playoff drivers run up front. Yeah. This next one is from Kenny, with lack of passing being a big topic and considering how the internet went out halfway through the race

with limiting SMT data, sharing help improve. it by putting race craft back in the driver's hands. Brett, you have some thoughts on this one for sure. I hate SMT. I'm not saying it shouldn't be available during the week for you to go back and maybe get better, but man, to have the best race car drivers in America and their intellectual property for the masses to see, like, T.J. shouldn't be able to see that in the middle of a race. Neither should any crew chief.

You shouldn't be able to relay to a driver, you know, how much more break somebody is or isn't using or like I despise SMT of all the shi in our sport that I am not a fan of including these tires I despise SMT data being available to teams we have the teams have the teams have war rooms set up now where they're solely I mean not solely but their main one of their main focus is just SMT and relaying information like Brett said you know he's using 20% less break into turn two or or you know you got to put you know keep 10% throttle and don't come all the way back to zero. That's where he's beating you. You know, like you said, I think it's a, it could be a good tool to go back and look and see,

but it's still then, like, I agree with you that I don't like, it took what, I mean, if you, I don't know if you've ever even looked at SMT, but like when I looked at it. The first time I saw, and it's not so much now with the newer car, but like, this is three or four years ago. When I first saw Danny Hamman's throttle trace, I was like, what the fuck is that? It looked like a heartbeat, you know, it's just like, you know, it's just like, you You know, everybody else is kind of like this trace where it's, you know, 100% throttle, eased down to zero, goes back up to one. Danny's look just up and down.

I was like, what is he doing? I went to another race to see, like, did he do this everywhere? And it was pretty much the same everywhere. But like, and he was gaining advantage from doing that. You know, if you laid it over the card animations on the thing, you can see where he was gaining ground by doing it. Now all you had to do was look at that and realize, oh, he's done that. That's how he's gaining ground.

Okay, I'm going to do that now. Well, Denny even knows exactly where. where SVG was beating them last year at Chicago in the rain because of SMT. That's bullshit. That should be SVG's talent and it should not be, it should be a secret. It drives me bonkers that we have it.

I hate it. Well, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll hear who wins the idiot of the week. What an idiot. First topic. First topic of what an idiot. Casey, welcome to the award.

Thanks. There's a lot of idiots out there. Feel free to cut that out. Brett. My idiot's a fun idiot. Which is fun most of the time. To win a wooden idiot is an honor. I agree.

My one idiot is Clint Boyer. Oh, God. Because Clint called me last week to talk about his truck venture that he's going on. And if you know Clint, as well as I do, and a lot of you see his personality, very high, strong, very impatient, cannot sit still. So he is spending more time getting ready for this truck race doing drug test and the different portals that we have to do. And what do you call them things? Models. Yeah.

Tud tests? No, no. We have seven hours. Well, the drug test took him over an hour because he said he had an appointment. And when he got there, they didn't know who he was or that he was coming. So for him to have to sit there an hour and he said his eyeballs were floating, he had to be so bad. Like I would have paid to have been sitting in this waiting room with this guy because he's so far. fiddity. And I would have, I would have paid a thousand bucks to watch him go through this whole

experience. He is spending more time doing the BS stuff. He had to go get a physical. Physical. Which, which, I mean, who doesn't want a physical at a 40 years old? They pop those gloves. Those other videos are an hour and a half long. Oh, easily. Gambling and diversity training. Training. So, so he's going to be about six hours into his qualification process to go run this two-hour truck grace and I love it. I'm here for it. I have two. One I don't know is real. Um, was that Penske congratulating Ryan Blaney? Yes. Tweet real. Apparently. They hit the button a little too soon. I guess somebody somebody, somebody's getting an award there. But my one of ours is going to go to a new friend of ours, uh, or a friend of yours really. I've known him for a little while, but I've really not

become. I have a new friend. Yeah. Connor Hall. Oh, I do have a new friend. Poor guy wins a race. And, uh, so he wins by, I don't know, the seven thousandths of a seven thousandth of a second, right? And he gets out in Victory Lane, and he's not really very well liked at Langley Speedway. I think he wins too much there. Nick Payne was telling me he's got like 14 out of 15 wins there this year. But when they got to the breakdown of the finish, they're three wide. If you haven't seen it, go look it up on flow racing. It's unbelievable finish. But they're three wide off a turn four coming to the line. And he said, man, my spotter just told me stay in it, stay in it, stay in it. And I'm like, were you thinking about lifting? Like what? That's what that's what. That's what. That's

got it for you, your spotter telling you to stay in it? Like, all right, all right, I guess that's a good thing. Okay, thank God you stayed in it. Thank God he appreciated it. Thank God he listened. Thank God he listened to the spotter telling you to stay in the throttle down the front straightaway. I had a breakfast meeting with Connor a couple weeks ago.

He actually stayed at your buddy Nick's house and he said, I stayed at one of your best friend's houses and I was like, who? And he's like, Nick, I said, oh, I love to give Nick shit. Nick's on this. And I saw Nick on a scooter picture this week. Yeah. Yeah. When's your scooter picture coming?

think you're going to see that one anytime soon. I don't know. I don't usually tend to make it to the track walk. Nick's a professional ball fluffer. He is, he is very good at massaging, massages. Let's just say massages. He loves meetings. He loves a meeting. Again, I love to give that crap. I'm literally over here laughing. I can't hardly catch my breath. But Connor and I met because he really wants to get into some truck races, potentially even between the end of the year. So that's something that I may be able to help him with. But listen, man, the kid, he's aggressive. He'll lay the bumper to you.

He ain't afraid to go out there and make a show out of it. No, defending National Weekly Series champion, I think he's probably got to be close to the cars to his point lead, I would assume right now. I know he had a bad race mixed in somewhere, but he's got to be close. Blake's wearing his shirt. He's so popular.

Blake's got his shirt on, is he leading points? Probably close now. So, I mean, he's, and listen, we just saw how good, the car series, the car tour is what we talked about is one of the most competitive series in the country of all forms of racing right now. Now. Just, just, just hear me. I don't, I'm sorry to interrupt you. But imagine taking all of those guys right now and putting them in trucks. Yeah. What that field would look at butter bean. You know, you look at butterbean that went to Wilkesboro a couple weeks ago. Now granted, that's a place he's run before. And if I took him to a mile and a half, he's going to struggle. But, you know, he drove through the field twice to a top five finish. You know, these guys in these lower series that we talk about and just need to get a break. Connor's definitely a great example of that. Connor Carson, Quaple, the brand crew, listen, you might. You might. You might.

If you don't know Brent Cruz yet, you're getting ready to find out about Grin Cruz because he's going to skyrocket through the ranks. He's a nice Connor. Conorzillich, you know, like these guys are coming. Luke Baldwin's another one, you know, modified talent, Carson Lofton. There's a lot of young talent coming up through the series that, you know, they're going to be there eventually. They just need breaks, and unfortunately, a lot of it's related to money. But, you know, hopefully, Brett can find them all sponsors.

Time for our race picks for Sonoma. Freddie, congratulations on your win. in St. Louis. Your guy finished 12. I know. That's luck right there. And I can't. I even took Chris Rice's advice and still got it wrong.

What else is new? Don't ever listen to Chris Rice. Brett, you get to pick first. This one's easy. I got four of the top six guys available from last year where they finished. I'm going with a guy that I mentioned earlier who has nothing to lose. A.J. Amundinger. Damn it.

Damn it. T.J. Oh, boy. I tried to buy him some time. Is Van Gisberg running? Sure. Is he running or not? Nobody knows.

Yeah, sure he is. Pick him. I'm going to go get the entry list. Hang on. Oh, God. Is he running or not? We don't know. I don't know.

It has not been shared. Well, damn. I mean, Brett probably knows, but I don't. Brett. Pick him. I mean, pick. Based on who Brett picked, I'd guess he's not running. All right.

What hell with it then. I'll go with, uh, uh, Reddick. Nope, I'm going with him now. My bad. May Dow. Can't change. I don't know if you change. What f*** is this?

Are we allowing this change? There wasn't anything picked at it. It was still my turn, technically. Whatever. I'll take Souras. Swarer. I'll take Van Gisberger. I'm just kidding.

I'll, take, I'll take busher. All right, TJ, see you later. All right. Thanks for coming by for 20 minutes. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've barely been here. That must be, that room must be hot because I see the garage doors being cracked.

It's hot. Go get sunburned somewhere for me. All right. I'll try enough to tweet when I'm at the beach like you. Don't puke into bushes. Well, before we close out the show, I want to know what we can expect for Sonoma. Red wine.

Red, red wine. Besides that, I meant the, you know, the new surface. These boys probably don't know who UB 40 is. No. Y'all know that song? Yeah. I heard.

Blake, you know who you B 40 is? Red wine? Okay. All right. I'll take it back. We're really on track here. I heard, I heard up to four seconds faster a lap.

Wow. New surface, obviously, it's a very, it's a long lap. Is it gonna, is it gonna, is the surface gonna, we gotta find out. Denny will have a connipion.

Danny will be buying cases. I don't even know how to spell conyption, but that's a cool word. Do you know how to spell conyption? No. You don't, do you even know what it means? It's a K.

Yes, I do know what it means. I'm just surprised you said it. But yeah, it'll be interesting. They've honestly... I've got the most famous second spotter in history. Is it SVG? SVG is my second spotter. Here's my favorite part of it.

It's a problem when your driver's not as famous as your spotter. I don't even know who's driving. Will Brown. Will Brown. He's driving it. Who I'm going to meet on Wednesday or Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. And SVG was like, you know, he's like me. He comes...

I don't know. How is that? What was that for us? I don't know what New Zealand sounds like. Do you want to try that again? No, don't try it again. Whatever accent.

We'll be canceled tomorrow. Whatever accent that SVG has, he was like, you know, he's like me. Maybe we go to Evan. Should we go to Evan for the SVG voice? Yeah, we go to Evan. He's like, he won't want to hear a lot of talking. I was like, great, because I ain't going to do a lot of talking. But it's going to be different, obviously.

You know, it's so much more competitive in the Cup series in these in these road courses than those guys, the beating and the banging, like it's going to be fun. I'm excited. How's the weather? We good? I don't know. I haven't looked. I've been, I have not been part of the world this week. I wouldn't trust if CJ was here. I wouldn't trust his weather forecast because he said everything was great for Coke 600 and D500. And that really worked out well for him. What's your next race case? You're you done till baby comes. I was at Charlotte. Does Indiana midget week count? Because apparently all. Are you going there this week? Yeah. But I don't know. I don't.

I am not able to travel very soon. What are you do? August 16th. Nope, 13th. Sorry, it's right by my birthday. Oh, 85 every day.

It's going to be beautiful. It's a beautiful place. I mean, beautiful. I wish you to go out there when it's green. I know. There's not a bad seat in the house. I tell everybody they're like,

where to sit. I go, just get a ticket and wander around. I know I'm picky, but I either want to go when it's Greek or I want to go when all the grapes are on the line. You know, like later early fall. Because, man, all those grapes on the line are beautiful.

Same. Same. There's wine. It's all you really need. You'll be fun. There's definitely wine. I'm definitely drinking. Oh, I forgot one thing.

What? Shout out to one person. I gave him a little bit of shit earlier. Justin Allgaier, top 10 in the cup race yesterday. Congratulations to him, right? I saw that on the bottom line. I did see that on the Fox. Ticker.

Top 10 for Justin. So congrats to him. Shane Ben Ginsburg and run 30th. Did he? That's not a good run. I mean, that's no. Justin, top 10. That's a big deal.

No. So, congrats to him. Oh, well, on that note, thank y'all so much for listening. Thank you to TJ for spending just 20 minutes of his time. It really means a lot to us. Thanks for coming, TJ. Oh, enjoy Sonoma.

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