Door Bumper Clear - 334 | Sonoma: Actually Entertaining For Once

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Casey Boat, TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, and Freddie Kraft are back from beautiful wine country to recap road course racing at Sonoma. Was this the most entertaining weekend ever at Sonoma? Plus, Ross Chastain is back on his DGAF tour after dive-bombing Kyle Busch on the final lap. We discuss the reason behind the recent fuel miscalculations and SVG’s epic burnout taunt of Austin Hill after his Xfinity win. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I'm T.J. And I don't know who these guys are. I've been flying for 25, 30 years, and I think yesterday was my second flight. Actually, I think it was my first flight ever with T.J. Was it? I don't know. You guys on the same plane? Yeah. We were on the same plane, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know he flew that anymore. I thought he had his own plane by now. I tried to get on yours. I did.

Brett Griffin Spider yesterday for the Tasmanian Devil, I guess. You could call him that. That's for sure. Will Brown. super fun dude we can get into that a little bit later what uh tj just said don't overdrive it it'll come to you i don't i don't think that ever really happened yesterday for me and you freddie oh you came to me all right in a hurry uh what's up freddy crapp i come inside or outside of i got that i don't remember it was it was it was on the inside i ended up on the outside um freddy craft spot for bubble wallace and we're done and we're off to a good

Well, this should be fun. This is what happens when we come on three. I got three hours. Three and a half, probably, maybe. That f***ing a show, Your Honor, I should have never started watching it. Because now I can't stop. You can't sleep because all the stupid stuff they do. You can't sleep?

I don't even know what you're talking about. You ever see the show, Your Honor? It's really good. What's it on? It's on Netflix. I don't heard they ever watch TV. It's on Netflix. I never watch TV.

It's all that. He watches SMT. It's all I. I'm just glad I'm here this week. That is true. Hi, Casey. Hey, guys, Casey Boat here. Well, I'm glad you guys survived, although y'all look like your eyes are, I can't

even see your eyes at the moment. So I'm glad you made it. But after a week of not knowing whether he's going to get his playoff waiver, Kyle Larson gets his third win of the season. So I'd imagine he's either still celebrating or still. or sleeping. How was the race for you guys? Uh,

uh, I mean, first, first of all, let's back up for one second. Have you got your car unlocked yet? Yeah, so I'm not going to lie.

When I said that a few minute ago, that at least I'm here, there was a split second where I walked out my garage this morning. He just thought like, panic. Please don't be like this today. Yeah,

that's a bad deal. It's, I feel like it's worse to locking your keys. in your car because I don't think you can break into a Tesla. You can. Like the key cards, your phone is your key card. And if you don't have your phone, you have like a credit card thing.

And those don't work either. Well, there were months of you trying to convince me to get a Tesla. And I am so glad I didn't listen to you. I would, that was the first problem that I've had. So, and I don't know if that was self-induced or whatever. Maybe I left the dome light on. I don't know. What?

So. You don't know what a dome? dome light is, Casey? No, I'm just confused. Anyway. Whoa, she doesn't know what a dome light is. Okay. Let's move on.

We can't move on. No, we can move on. She said a what? There's a million listeners that are not understanding why you don't know what a dome light is. Millions. Millions. Plural. Casey.

There's not many lights in a car. They might not have a dome light in the old. In the Audi? Huh? I'll let everybody on Twitter tell you what the domite is. Do you have a small light is? Do you have a sunroof? Yes.

Like, is it, like, just one sunroof or is it the whole roof? Most of the roof. Do you have a light on your roof? Like, is there a light up there by it in the middle somewhere? It's like when you get in. I don't think so. When it's too dark and I, it's probably just the one like on the front. Yeah, that's called it.

That's a dog. Anyway. Anyway. So Sonoma. Did any of us, where'd you finish? That's debatable. Still, I don't know if it's 12 or 13. That's right.

I don't understand that either. Please explain. Well, Kyle Bush, we'll get back to what happened to Kyle Bush earlier in that lap. But he comes, I'm assuming he ran out of gas

coming to the checker because he creeped across the line. Yeah, I don't. So, and yeah, I don't know. And then I look at the results. They gave him five spots back.

Timing and scoring. He was 17th when he crossed the line. Yeah. So I was, we're racing him for the playoffs, the cutoff line. And I'm like, oh, good. We gained, you know,

we're still 13 to the good or something like that. And then I get on the plane and I'm like, Like, wait a minute, he finished 12th, that up. But I guess they locked the, the, froze the field when they threw the yellow for Martin. And Kyle got saved a couple spots, which I don't. Yeah, I don't, that, Tim, I don't know about this one. Like, I get like certain instances and stuff, but he was just in a wreck.

And I don't know if he was out of gas. I think he, because the way he creeped across the line, he must have been. Or he was just really slow for the caution. I don't know. Because everybody else was still racing. He was slow before the caution because we were, we, as soon. as soon as we were we were by her they said all right put it out and we went by like right then and then um they five other cars i mean you're going pretty so five other cars because we had

seconds to other cars behind us so it was like if five other cars pass him he's pretty slow yeah so i don't know but i think 13th so which from how our weekend was going um i'll take a 13th or 12 13th whatever 12 and a half wherever you want to put us um I'll take a, I'll take a 13th out of that. Just, I mean, we were good in the race. We just never, these type of cars just never really, Brad's used to a lot of horsepower, take care of your stuff type at road course things.

And this just doesn't suit him that well. Brad doesn't, he's never won a road course, right? Sitting here looking at the list. Did he win Watkins Lynn? Any of them times when he was battling? It looks like here 15 guys, Trey Ryan and I were actually texting about this last night. But 15 guys that were in the race have won a road course race, and I don't see him on this list.

Which is surprising, because he was really good at Watkins Glen for a long time. Seven of which have only won one road course race, but nonetheless, they've won. I remember him. Which goes to tell you when we go there, everybody can't win. Yeah. Yeah, I remember him leading Sonoma and the Glenn at times. But, yeah. It's just, he's a good road course racer once you get him in the race.

Like, he's perfectly fine. But this, the slot car mentality of how these things drive now running all the way off the track, you know, like that's just doesn't, it's just not his cup of tea. And but once we get to the race, we usually race pretty well. Did you talk to Will today? Is he had a concussion protocol? Will Brown, my guy. Yeah. Mate.

I figured he must be a concussion protocol. He's still diving. He's still hitting. He's still hitting. Right now. You know, this is a crazy thing. I was sitting there last night when I got back to the plane. And I was like, man, how would you assess the weekend?

Okay, Friday went absolutely perfect. No, it didn't. You pulled out in front of like 18 different cars. It went to the road. Yeah, but I drove away from you. Yeah, well, still, you're still screwed him. It was absolutely perfect. I'm not there every weekend.

I don't care if I screw y'all. And then Saturday was a complete cluster. You know, we go out and qualifying and he can't get it started. And then it can't get it to keep running. And then we can't get it to run 100%. So obviously we blew our shot. We still were top six. even with 80% throttle on that first run.

But, I mean, certainly not a good day. And then yesterday, man, he was having so much fun. And when I tell you guys, like, a breath of fresh air, like I wish he could have came in here this morning, but he was flying back to Australia. Like, fun, positive dude. And I would put him right now on that list of those 15 people of he could go out and win. Obviously, he's got to chill out.

You think? I mean, just slightly. I think he could. And I literally said to Keith on lap three, I was like, hey, Keith, I hope you have really good brakes on this car. because we are really hustling all these entries, whether somebody's there or not. When we stopped one time for one of the cautions,

Keith was like, you know, hey, maybe we'll take you a little easier on the entry and focus a little more on exit. But he was just, everything was mate, and, you know, he was having so much fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was having a bunch of fun. I think everybody was having fun around.

He had a couple of mates in front of them there a couple times, didn't he? There's a couple guys didn't want to be his mate no longer. Four outside. Sorry mates. I don't know what Bubba did to Australia, you, but we did not have a good day with the Australian yesterday. We'll run us over in turn seven and then Cam kind of got into the three and knocked the three in us

and knocked us off a 10 and then that train reaction to just show in 11 when Josh decided to go bowling down there. Oh, that was. That was exciting. Let's talk about that one. That was exciting. Yeah, you can say that. Obviously, the repave in general,

what did y'all think? And how did the tire wear impact that? It's the most entertaining weekends and almost ever put on in its life and its existence. Yeah, I mean, the repave is a repave. It's fine. They're super fast. The problem with the cup cars is there's no falloff. So really the strategy kind of.

Yeah, that was the rough part there was just not enough. There wasn't a, there wasn't a, you couldn't pick, come out 12th and drive back to the front like you should be able to do if those guys have 10. I mean, 10 laps on your tires, you were motoring through them. You're right, but Larson came out 7th and drove to the league. Is. Yeah, I mean, Larsson, listen,

Larson was the guy. Like, but like the same time Reddick couldn't do that. You know what I mean? Which he didn't put tires on his last pit stop. But,

um, it shouldn't matter. Like there, like you could take a guy that was, you know, a 10th place car. If you gave him 10 lap better tires and put him 10th, he was going to the front.

It didn't matter if it was, no, I agree. I don't know. You, me, Freddie. The thing that, the biggest thing I took away from it was just,

it was just, it was, And we see this a lot. It's just so heat related to the time. There's not really where it's just heat. And Redick was talking about practice, which Reddick was, you know,

one of the best cars all weekend, one of the best on road courses. He was terrible in practice. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like he's just one of the guys, you know, you look to for speed on road courses.

And he was like, man, if I just started to feel it slip, I would just take a half a lap off and lap time would come right back. You know, he's like, it's like, it's like, all you have to do

was kind of slow down, cool your tires now for a second, not slow down, just take it easier, easier and a lot of time would come right back so it's just obviously it's going to wear and hopefully we get back to where we were but i guess if you slip and slide on the tire it overheats it and that's where you you got to cool it down but it was i i had a freaking blast um i would i would say one of my favorite sonoma trips i've ever been on and maybe because i didn't have the pressure you guys

have but um i do i will say that caution came out and you know bubble was voicing his displeasure with with Will Brown, the guy was spotting for. And he's like, is this mate mad at me? And I was like, yeah, he's pretty mad probably. He's like, what did I do? And I was like, well, you, he's not from England. You knocked the shit out of them. I can't, I still haven't matched with that Australian thing.

But my favorite thing of the weekend, and I think as an industry, we got to go this route. They don't call qualifying, qualifying. They call them qualis. So it's quali from now on. It's still in English accent. Okay. Where are you? He's in England's lost. Yeah.

I've been lost for years. Oh, man. I looked over a Brett one time because his guy, he'd come off. Run somebody else over probably? He'd come off pit road and just not even care if there was somebody already at speed coming up to hill. His guy was just coming out. I don't know who he was coming out. I said, Will, next time, can you let me know when you get on pit road?

Because, you know, they'll say, hey, leaving a garage. And it's like, okay, 1,000. You look to 11. Right away. And you're watching 11 and you're watching the. I never hear anything? It's like, oh, there he is. Yeah.

And up to hill. And clear. The problem with that is when you get off the into pit road, you're fine right there, but the racing line and the exit of pit, the pit exit line meet and you kind of cross over into it. So right where the bridge is, if there's somebody right there, it just screws your whole entry to turn one up. It's just practice. We almost had that. The last lap of practice, Ricky was coming down pit road.

And Tab thought he went to the garage. Like they must have like a hot pit entry. And Tad thought he went to the garage and Ricky was rolling all of Pitt Road like rolling pit road speed. Yeah. So Tad wasn't even looking and I saw Ricky coming and I was like, I just watched 47 is at the end of pit road here as we were like at the start finish line. Yeah. And Ricky had no idea we were coming until like we were there. And it was and Tabs like holy shit.

I didn't even know he was. I thought he was in the garage. Communications. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know. And we did the same thing because we did a hot pit entry and I didn't. I meant that.

I didn't think Bubba was going to run the length. I thought he was just going to hop hit enter and then go to the garage. And next thing I know, you can't see him once he goes around that corner. And he's like, I'm running the length, right? And I'm like, no. And he's like, I'm already halfway down here. I guess I'm just going all the way through. Well, one final topic on this weekend.

I don't know how we do this, but two back-to-back weekends of fuel miscalculations. Obviously, planning last weekend. This weekend with Martin might have been the slowest start, start, finish line, pass ever. I don't think you passed anybody. Well, he passed our finish time. He passed the start finish line.

Oh, crossed. What is the deal with that? Is there something with the car? Well, I know, but I know that I think Jimmy said like... So it came out that the 12's deal was they had less

in the previous run than they thought. So when they filled it with that, there wasn't enough left. And they were trying to jump the two. they were trying to jump to two also. This at roadcourt, we've seen this for years at road courses. You pit either right, you know, you run the race backwards, you pit right on your number

or sometimes you even cheat it banking on you're going to get a caution or you're going to, you know, some, you know, you're going to be able to save a little bit. And I know we were, we pit on lap 67 and before the race, it was 68 was our numbers. So I knew we were going to be close and they start telling me, you know, we're right on our number here. So you kind of cheat a little bit hoping to catch that caution. And then sometimes if you don't get the caution, then you're real close. And obviously they were a little too close. And if all you got to do is not get a couple extra drops in there.

I mean, he run out, I'm assuming down to 11 or so because had to be into 11. Yeah. I mean, because there's no way you can coast to 11 and try to keep speed up. Yeah. So I mean, they got damn close. But it's just, you know, you're doing everything. We talked about it on here before. where everybody is, you know, pitting shorter and shorter trying to get an advantage.

And then sometimes you cut a little too good. And he was not in a position at all to save fuel, to save any fuel, because he's trying to run down the 17. Then he's trying to fend off the five. And at that point, man, you run, you ran your race. So, again, though, hell of a race. And they, I don't think the five took tires on his last stop either. Yeah.

I know, I don't think he did either. I know the 45 did. Are you kidding me? No. Yeah, I don't think he did. No. What? Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's how the tires were. And that car cleared tech. Wow. Yeah. That ain't good. I mean, it's good, but it ain't good.

That's bad. Yeah, his, well, he might have, he did four on the last stop. You sure? I was going to say, man. Four tires, nine point two seconds. But like the final, the 45 didn't. The broadcast didn't. No, we got bigger problems.

I mean, that's their jobs to know. I mean, I assume he did. His stop was at 81, and he did, it was four tires, 9.2 seconds. Yeah, that makes way more sense than no tires. But there was guys to put no tires on. But the way he busted through, I kind of assumed he had to. It seems pretty dumb. He looked like he had, he had, what he, we'll get to the strategy stuff a little bit.

But I mean, one thing, as always, we say it on here, the Xfinity race. Well, that was fun to watch. Do you guys think that the exfinaliaries again was better than the cup race? Yes. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't close. I don't think. I agree. I will say...

What made it better? I will say watching it on TV gives you more of what's going on and it, and it changes based on the track, but spotting it's synonymous because it is so spread out and because you drop your driver off at a point to a second spotter and pick him back up. Like, there was points to race yesterday. where I was like, man, I don't know what's going on out here. There's just, there's too much to look at. Whereas TV, obviously you're looking at more one thing.

I am rusty. I admit, I admit, hands out of rusty. I feel like I knew kind of what was going on with the guys when they, you know. The Xfinity race was just freaking lights out. It's fun to watch. There wasn't anything about Exfendi race that wasn't great. I mean, everything's great in the Xfinity race. Burnouts, everything.

Why didn't SIGG run the cup race? I guess sponsorship. He couldn't because he did the tire. something about wasn't there a test? He did the wheel force test or something. He did do the wheel force test, yeah. So now there's rules against testing and running the race? But I don't know.

I was listening to Sirius this morning and they mentioned that it could have been a college decision, but I don't know if I'm going to call a decision. No, he can't do the wheel force test because he couldn't even sub for anybody if they got out, like because he did the wheel force test. I don't know who on Syria said it's a collard decision, but they said that we'll find out Wednesday when Chris Rice is on the show. But they mentioned that it could have been. If track house wants to run, SVG and a cup race, they're going to run.

Anyways, we're going to take a quick break. We come back. Will. Will. Will. Wheel. I should have called a wheel. Clear wheel.

We come back. We will discuss this weekend more on spot on, spot off. Spot on spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off.

Damn. Where did he come from? First topic, Ross Chastain dive bombing Kyle Busch on the last lap while battling for fifth. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Don't give a F***a tour. It's back. It's plugged in. It's charged up.

It's ready to go. Oh, man. It was, I didn't realize it happened because we were quite a ways back and he got going, I guess, before we got there. But when I saw he, when I saw he, when I saw he. When I saw that he finished, well, wherever he finished, I thought it was 17. I just thought he ran out of gas. And then I got the car and Nick was like, oh, no. He said the one ran him over down there.

And I was like, oof. And that was kind of exactly what I needed for my day because he was going to gain a boatload of points on us. And then he ended up not. So I didn't really, I might have to send Ross an edible arrangement or something. Speaking of Nick, does he know he's spoiled? Spoiled? Spoiled as in he's out of date like. Milk are spoiled as in he's spoiled as in he's got it made.

You normally don't come in and get a full-time deal with a competitive car. Like he does. Like in Reddick's like, I don't know where he became a road course racer all of a sudden. But Tyler was really, really fast these roadcours. You normally don't, you normally don't start with a top tier car.

No. Because guess what that makes you look like? A good spotter. Even if you aren't one. And I'm not saying Nick is not one. No, yeah. But like. But like.

But most people don't get to. come in to win races. You come in here and you got to... Prove that you know what you're doing. Grind it out for a handful of years. Are you just getting with a driver like Jimmy Johnson or Kyle Larson? You don't have to know what you're doing. Larsen's father used to drive Chad's trucks to races.

So he turned out of bed. Tyler Mon is like the new, it's like the new Earl. Like... Is he spoiled too? I mean, I think anybody who spots for Larson spoiled. I don't care if it... I mean, he's like the new Earl. Like, he's...

Larson is the only guy the year that I stepped aside that I would have stuck around for because I knew I would have... to do shit. He's that good. Clear by 10, buddy. If Tyler would start going around saying, all right. All right.

What are you hearing? It would be good. Oh. Did you guys see this, Rick? I did see it. I saw it live. And I was like, you got to be kidding me. It's the last lap.

There's only, and I'm going to get into something right here. It's last lap, three hard corners left. You know, obviously you got to run the S's, but that's pretty crappy. Like, because what happens with race car drivers, and I guess they talk about it all the time. Still, as they, based on who they're racing, they know how much they trust that person.

And Kyle Bush put a lot of trust into Ross Chastain, and Ross Chastain let him down. What's Clint's saying? I'll let you down. I've seen me do it. That's what happened. That's what Ross did to Kyle Bush yesterday. Yeah, but when I look at that racetrack, you know, standing up on that hill, I absolutely, hate turn four.

That turn four, when they took out all that sand and they give these guys all this extra feet of runoff to the left, essentially no track limits exist until you're well past the exit of the corner. It completely changed the dynamic of turn four to where it's way too fast, whether it's old asphalt or new, and it changed the dynamic of turn seven. Turn seven, and turn four used to be a small passing zone.

Turn seven was a medium plus passing zone. turn 11 a major large passing zone. They ruin turn 7 by ruin and turn 4. They need to stop turn 4 where those curbs are. That's either put tires closer, and if you don't want to stop the race for a caution and cleanup, I don't care. I hate turn 4 at that racetrack. Yeah.

Like you said, you've taken away two passing zones, really. I mean, you can get a good run off of 3. Made it easier, too. Yeah, but now it's, now you don't have any, unless you make a mistake off of 4, you're not getting, you know, you're not going to get a huge run into 7 like you used to. You put up a wall in turn 11, and I'm not against

that wall at all. Because it is, now we don't have to have this gray area of stupid track limits being enforced. Do it at turn 4. Make it where they have to slow down to make the corner because the way that's configured, I absolutely despise it. It's no different than

turn 1 at Watkins Glen now. It's no different than the exit of the K-R-Selt Watkins line. And I used to say turn 1, downhill breaking with that sand trap and the wheelhaving was the hardest corner. in all of NASCAR, it's not anymore. I don't know what they, it's turn one, the exit of the carousel, and I used to call it turn 10 at Watkins-Gwen, but they've paved all that stuff. Yeah, they, they, they, every, every runoff is just paved now. There's no, there's no

repercussions for making a mistake, you know, now you just use it for speed. There should be, I wish we could find a way to make it where if you ran out there, it wasn't a benefit. Like, you know how, so one thing I noticed it, I'm sure you all saw it when you did the track walk at Sonoma. I'm sure Brett. I walked pit road for the first time yesterday. Wow. Yeah.

Go ahead. I'm sorry. As always. I walked the entire track. Let me tell you, the elevation there. Change my one idiot. So the curbs there, what I liked about it was the curbs. They'll help you spot it by walking.

They're indented. Oh, man. I've never been around the place, but, you know, it looks like it's got some hills. I did a long time ago. It's just so cool. It is. unreal. But the curbs are indented. So what if you did that out there where they run off? You know what I mean? The curves are in that so you don't have that same effect.

It's less grip. You know what I mean? They need to run out there. And if you go out there, it needs to be a loss of something, whether it's grip. You shouldn't be able to run out there for speed because that I like to see these guys have to be precise in certain areas and be accurate and not like i'm just going to throttle up and drive it out here because that's what they do like turn one at wakins glen right now is not i mean yeah it's not even a bus stop bus stop depending upon what happens because obviously we can't speak to what what it's going to race like because they can make changes up to it but anyway i didn't mean you get off on tally i mean i'm sorry sonoma sucks fix it two evers of car i bouch agrees so are you spot on to the dive bomb or no obviously i'm not i mean

obviously i'm you know SVG and i had a i walked into the trailer yesterday morning he's my second spotter at Sonoma with Will Brown and I walk in. I go, wow, you wreck a, you know, move RCR car yesterday and day you're on f*** payroll. You got, you got a, you got a, you had a good gig. We laughed about it. Um, kind of balls. No, I mean, you, you hate, oh, okay, whatever. Um, so I, yeah, I'm spot off. I mean, you, you, if it had been lap five, like when we wrecked Martin Truex, um, he's got a chance to recover from that and come back to a great finish, which Martin didn't get because he ran out of gas. But yeah, I mean, the last lap, take a guy out.

I don't know, you know, if Kyle Busch is going to make this playoff. It's certainly hard to sit here knowing his talent level and say he will not. Had yesterday gone differently, he would be in by points. He's obviously not, you know, since that happened. But if, I don't know if Kyle Busch ever retaliates off the track with Ross Chastain, but I don't see Ross Chastain passing Kyle Busch in these playoffs ever. I am on a racetrack. I'm spot off as well.

I don't, I, that move's not going to work. By, like, lap three, that part of the track is so dirty anyway from everyone hanging the left rear off and 3B. And you can't, and that corner is so sweeping on exit now. They don't slow down like they used to. There's 3B, that little heel. It's the very top where they come back into our view. That's where they come back into our site. So, and it's so dirty.

And you, if you're not, if you don't have position on a guy, when I say position on a guy, you better have your front tires in front of their front tires. It's going to be hard to make that pass. and to be running where they were running on the last lap of the race. Do you see how far back he was when he pulled out? Yeah, I mean, he was way back. But this wreck reminds me of the turn 11 wreck with Josh Barry and Eric Jones because Eric Jones was going down, Eric Jones was trying to get into that same situation.

And it reminded me also turn one at Andy Roadcourse where those guys, when you drive that low into the corner and they're already too wide in front of you, you're basically just, you're going down there to call. a wreck into somebody in my opinion. I mean, you're just going to force the guy in the third, the guy in the far outside most time doesn't get the message until it's too late because they're not expecting somebody to be all the way against the inside wall there because you're not going to make the corner how you should and you're just, it's going to cause a wreck. Eight teams got to do a full reset this week. That's two weeks in a row. You've lost a ton of points

wrecking, you know, not finishing and you can't do that right now. I mean, he had a good run going. We got nine races left or ten left? Ten left. He was going to run top. Five, right? Where'd Rossvin? I mean, I don't know if he would have ran in a gas. I don't know. Probably going to run top ten at Gateway, too. Yeah. So those are two top tens, I think, where, you know,

that just kind of slipped out of their, and this is the time of here where you can't really have. He's going to be in a must-win situation. But if there's a car out there that can do it any given week, it's Kyle Bush. Moving on, Joey Lugano and Tyler Reddick's strategy cost them a chance to win. Spot-on, spot-off, TJ. Man, I'm kind of spot off because I think Tyler, they kind of got behind. I mean, there's time.

I want you to stop for a second. Tell me what their strategy was and why it didn't work. I just think with all the yellows, they didn't want to be back in the mix and the soup. And it wasn't fun. I mean, we were all back in there. They didn't want to be back there with us, basically. So. Well, I mean, that's what Joey did.

Joey got back in there. Joey got in there and ruined his day. Yep. And I think. I just think it got to be, it went so far where it was finally like, okay, well, this is a strategy we have to play now. You know, it didn't, you had to pit probably around where Joey did and get through it. Because at some point, you can't leave the entire race because people flip the stages and they do stuff like that. So at some point, you got to put yourself in traffic and make it through it.

And, you know, and Tyler is not one of the best cars at passing. I mean, obviously, Tyler has a lot of speed, but he doesn't hit that. to me, he's not one of the better cars at managing a lot of passes. He seems to catch the back of the field and be able to do stuff like when he gets there and he kind of stalls out. So I don't know if, I mean, he got a lot of stage points. So his day was, Tyler had a great day still. So the way, like, there was three points did he get total. I don't even know.

It had to be a lot. Well, not really because he didn't get any second stage points. Oh, maybe. But, you know, the way, there was three or four options to run the race yesterday. And one was, you know, you could flip the first stage. and then run to your, you know, backwards marker, which was like lap 68, 69, which everybody kind of come there.

I had that. Then you could just flip both stages, basically, and try that. And then there was, you know, just a normal two stop where you would run to lap 40, which we used to see back in the day before stage breaks, you would run the race backwards. Whatever that number was, 68 that you need to get to the end,

you would run X amount of laps to get to whatever it took to get to 68, and then 68 to the end. But like, TJ's point, you know, you don't expect, we haven't had cautions at road course, in years. I feel like, you know, I mean, like every, every damn road course race felt like it dragged, you know, was just, you know, no cautions. And then all of a sudden yesterday, you know, you go into it with a plan of,

all right, I'm going to, I'm going to pit at lap 22, short pit that first stage. And all of a sudden you got, I mean, by lap 15, we felt like we run five green flag laps. Like, I was, I was spent. So, you know, and then I think that, you know, the 45 into TJ's point, 45 and the five were on the same strategy. but where they got different was Kyle could get through traffic Kyle drove you know when they restart near each other Kyle drove back through about 10 cars it seemed like

and then Kyle was the 45 pit short like he pitted like lap 608 like everybody else did and didn't do tires did fuel only hit of like a four second pit stop cycled back ahead of some of the guys he was ahead of you know behind but what the five did was it seemed to me like he ran long and was so fast he was able to build a big enough gap to where to where he you know He still put four tires on.

It came out close enough to where he can still run those guys down. But the thing to me is, it's so hard to say what strategy is right and wrong because the 45 and the 22 did two different strategies and neither one. You know, the 22 put himself in a bad spot in the back and got wrecked, which if he gets through there, and then he's racing probably with the 17 the rest of the day who had cycle back to the lead. And, you know, so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's either ways or risk.

I'll tell you what makes it fun, though, is I did seize the guys. I know that tire didn't fall off a bunch, but that. There were some guys sliding around a little bit. And I really feel like if we had a tire there that just wore off as it went, man, could you imagine? Oh, maybe not so much the last couple of years, but years ago, like I remember AJ, you know, AJ's been the guy for roadcourses for a long time. And I remember he wasn't always great at Sonoma because you would burn your shit up there. You know, even Marcus was kind of the same way. And Marcos was kind of the same way.

Like, that was a place where they had a super speed, but they didn't, they would burn their shit. up and they wouldn't win the race there. They, you know, they tend to win at Watkins Glenmore. You could have a guy that would be seventh by lap, you know, 10th lap five. And at the end of the run, he's up there second or third because he knew how to, he knew how to have had a long run. But when the tires wore out too, man, man, you remember how,

remember when they used to try to out break each other on old tires there and stuff? Like, it was like. Sonoma was a slower, technical, higher elevation change racetrack. And then, you know, we only ran two back then. And Watkins Glen was the go really fast balls to the wall. and yesterday Sonoma is a really, really go really fast balls at a wall. It's coming up the hill in a turn two. Holy five.

You're like, you're like, they're not going to make it. I'm not going to make it. How about the two? Did you see the two side through the dirt? Dude, did you see almost? I thought he was going to flip for a second. When they would pit hot, it almost was like they were going faster coming to pit road. And they were going to turn 11.

I'm like, it looked like Ross at Martinsville. I'm like, they're going to wall ride to pit road. Dude, impressive to watch. But again, the dynamic of that track has completely changed here. Here's where I'm. out with these two guys. You know, Tyler Reddick is one of the better road course racers in our field right now. Joy Lugano is one of the best race car drivers in the entire field. Joy is out in the playoffs by two spots. And man, he's not threatening to win anywhere. When you sit on the pole there,

you have so many great things. Obviously, you're starting first. You've got the best pit stall. And that strategy bid him. When he got in that wreck, it was over. But I mean, the window and the pressure is going to build. And as you come down these last 10 races, man, they can't have any more screw-ups. They're going to have to, and where are you going to point in that?

We gained two spots. That's good. You didn't? Yeah, but you got to win. I'm just saying. You're Phil. Y'all, you might, all the matters use playoff points. And that's two playoff points. When we left Atlanta?

Yeah. We were ready. Right. 30th. So, I mean, it sucks for joy in that sense. And then on Tyler's side, I mean, I'm sure a very frustrating day for him. I mean, he's a guy you see in the garage. He's always smiling. He

speaks to everybody, and I'm a big Tyler-Retic fan, and it sucks for them guys. But when he won the stage and he was kicking everybody's butt, I was like, it's going to be hard to beat that team today, and it just didn't play out of that way. Well, you know, you just, the problem is you eventually have to pay for it. You know what I mean? Like if you, if you, you know, he won the stage, was the dominant car, but then when he pit at lap, I think they basically flipped the second stage, so it was like, left the league. He finished, he finished 29. He finished. ninth at that stage. And then the problem is the tire, like the way the strategy was working out and the way

the tire wasn't falling off, there would always be a given take to that where if you flip the stage, you would gain a bunch of spots at the stage because those guys that took the points would pit. Well, that wasn't happening yesterday. You know, they were, them guys would take the points and then they would stay out. And then, you know, so you never really saw a benefit of, you know, it was, it was just the way the race is playing out. It was directly related to no tire wear.

If there was tire wear, you'd have to run the race a little bit different, but you didn't really need tires yesterday, so you could just basically run when you needed fuel. And so it just you never really got that benefit of, I'm going to flip this and I'll gain these spots back when these guys pit. Well, they weren't pitting until they weren't pitting. They weren't pitting until they absolutely needed to. Shifting gears to the Xfini Series race,

SVG gets payback for Coda with a burnout taunt of Austin Hills. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Oh man, this is This is great racing And I mean this is SVG got in too hot He washed up into him Thankfully he didn't wreck him

Because if he wrecks him there It makes SVG look like a A b*** You know And I think in the way he just got into him It made him look like this is NASCAR I mean this is what You know your grandpa grew up watching

And I think Austin Hill gets out A hell of a lot matter than what he does If he didn't kind of catch hell On Twitter the last few weeks And he even kind of took a shot there at the keyboard warriors and man it uh that race had at all i don't know what else you could ask for it builds a lot of momentum uh going into the infinity series championship races because the same

guys tend to always see each other you know it doesn't matter if it's for 20th or if it's for 10th or if it's for first and these are two really good race car drivers and good equipment and to have those guys going at it is it's fun man i i've just got a really happy happy to be here, happy and a lucky attitude. It's like he's not taking it overly serious. You can tell he's trying really hard. Yeah. And I was having a conversation with Jeff Gluck yesterday in a garage.

And he said, is he the best road racer to ever come through here? Is he better than Ambrose? Is he better than AJ? And I'm like, man, he's sure giving us the case study to say yes. I don't think we can say yes yet. But, I mean, in Xfinity series, he's the best right now. And the Cup series coming forward, I would say sooner rather than later, we're going to find out if he's as good as we think he is there.

He, you know, they, I don't know, talk about strategies. I was questioning theirs because I thought if they just ran it backwards, you know, if they just flipped the stages, he was going to be dominant. And obviously you got to chase some playoff points because he won last week and he's in the playoffs. But, man, I mean, if he just flips the stages, it lights out, probably ruins the race. So I'm thankful they didn't do that. And I don't know without some cautions. I just want to add one thing to you, you know, I'm watching on television,

you're spotting the race. And I told SVG this. you went out in one stage one, which I thought was a mistake. And you started stage two, and you drove up, and you were catching second and third in terms of the gap was three and a half seconds to the leader. It was still three and a half seconds to the leader. He was not making up any time on Ty Gibbs. And it seemed like Ty Gibbs was on the strategy that was going to win a race.

Yeah. Well, then he did the same thing. He didn't flip either the second stage, which I didn't understand at all. And obviously we'll get to that in a minute because it led to some more stuff going on. but like those two strategies kind of baffled me because I thought of all the people like Ty Gibbs is only there to win the race. He doesn't care about points. He's not running for points. And then SVG, like I think that was, I thought that was an easy win for him if he just flips the stages and comes back out with the lead.

But maybe, I mean, he was so good. I assume they thought, well, we'll just drive back up in there. That's him, you know, we'll be fine because he restarted pretty close to the front. It was back in the top five right away. But it took them to your point a lot longer. I think the past. I think it was like the seven and maybe the 21 or the two. I think it was.

But, yeah, I mean, this was a hell of a race. And I didn't, so the only thing that, the only content they made was up the hill and the two when he door slammed him. Yeah, pretty much. Is that like that? I mean, that was enough. Yeah. I mean, Shane was too far to the right and he was going to have to get back left to

make the corner. And when he got back left, it wasn't that Austin didn't leave him room. It's just the way the momentum took. It took him into Austin's door. Well, I mean, it knocked Austin out of the way. I don't think it was unintentional. And then somebody on TV said, well, if he catches him again, and I'm like, yeah, okay.

Smoke another one. We all out here in California, you know. That's enough room. Well, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's my. That's like grass either. That's dirt. Dirt. Uh, yeah. We've already talked about, obviously, Shane is one of the best road cross racers,

especially in the X-Fany series right now, looking at where he is in points, which I believe is 10th, and looking at the rest of the season and especially the playoffs, do you think he has a shot at that championship? No. No. I'm sorry. I'm not.

I don't. Like his Oval career is way too much in its infancy to go out and run with these guys. I mean, watch him at Iowa this weekend. Watch him at Iowa, no practice or limited practice or there ain't enough practice for the, he could start practicing now and then it ain't got to matter. Like, I'm sorry, but no, if the final round had a road course in it and then the final race of the year was that a road course, hell yeah, he's going to win it. Where's the roval at in their playoff?

is it can he get to Phoenix by winning it's in the end of the first round right so last race first round early it's October yeah last race first round I think but and again it's early October but you're talking about Ty Gibbs is not racing for points as a driver he's not as an owner they are but I still was sitting there going as an owner

you'd rather have five playoff points and one yeah it's a big swing and I was sitting there thinking the same thing for SVG I'm like you know Bruce Sicker good friend of ours love my death I'm like all right Bruce I don't think you go for this stage one playoff point you go for the race win five playoff points so when he did that i was like okay he thinks they're good enough to just drive back up through here no matter what and then when they weren't and guys like tie gibbs that had flipped the stage on them beat them i was like hope you

learned something here stage two they did it again but then stage two at the end of stage two Shane said what are we doing and Bruce said and this was all on the broadcast um thank god for closed caption because i was at a bar not surprised y'all uh but it but it said uh i got messed up right there. I was I was paying too much attention to what Ty Gibbs was doing. So as SVG said, as if his for crew chief, that's ain't easy either. Yeah. No, that's not fun. I don't, I don't know if Shane, I don't know if we'll ever get a real true test of if Shane will be the best road course racer we've had because, man, it's so much different now. Everyone, it's much harder now than what it was 15 years ago, way harder now to me. Because he's going to be. He's going to

guys are all really damn good. They are. And to see, and we've already had, I mean, Shane's run how many other Cup Roadcourse races now, two or three after Chicago. And ran fine, ran good in him, but not like the, not the dominant car, I don't think, all day. I mean, in Xfinity, he obviously shines a little bit more. But I look more at his oval stuff.

Like, I think he's been okay at Oval stuff, but that's like a whole. whole different, a whole new thing. You know what I mean? My most impressive thing for me at his rebels, T.J. He gets the majority of laps in, the majority of the time. He gets better as the race goes on. His race craft is not getting enough credit for what he's doing because he's not supposed to be good when it starts.

I mean, he doesn't have the experience. He's not getting practice. He's not getting to do all the things. But man, as it goes on, he gets. better. He's going back to these tracks for some of them anyway for a second time. Listen, how many guys can win at Xfinity? 12. Yeah, I'd have to look at a list, but yeah, probably.

How many guys can win a cup? A lot. 27? Yeah. I mean, it is a lot, yeah. It's triple. Yeah. So it's going to be triple harder. Yeah. Triple harder. Triple harder. Triple harder. That's pretty hard. Continuing on an Xfinity series race.

Ty Gibbs intentionally doing a donut after getting collected in a wreck and taking out his teammate. Oh, Freddy, spot on, spot off. Spot off. And spot off for where this wreck happened, because we couldn't see any of it. Oh, I bet. What the bush is?

You can't see. Well, behind them tents. It was all behind them. Oh, it was. Yeah, so he couldn't see anything. When I went back and watched their replay of it, it was interesting to say the least. And listen, Ty was in position to win the race.

I assume they had a bad pit stop because he came out mid-pack. That's what Josh Williams said. Yeah. Oh, Josh was talking. I couldn't tell if Josh was mad at Chandler, if he was mad at Ty, because he was, he was throwing insults around. It was hard to keep up. Twitter's the best.

But, yeah, this was just, obviously he's frustrated. And we've seen this before with Ty. Sometimes he lets his temper get the best of him. And he's been much better about it lately. I think this was just a perfect storm of just had a bad pit stop. Now I'm in a wreck. Now I'm pissed off my cars tore up. And I don't know how bad his car was tore up until he started doing donuts around the 17.

I think it was. And then I think Chandler ends up teaboning him. And then somebody else hits him. And now your day's done. And maybe that's what he wanted. Maybe he was just had enough for that day. But, you know, it just wasn't a good look. It looked like a little temper tantrum that ruined a couple guys' days.

Would Chandler say when it happened? He gets us? I was. He got us. He got us. The only way you have a wreck in the, that part of the track is the driver, I mean, two wide right there. Drivers are all, all day long on the cup race.

We go through there two wide, the entire field, every restart. And the only time you really have a wreck there is when somebody just does something, it's like that turn 11 thing. You know you're going to stick your nose somewhere and it's going to hit somebody into somebody else and you're going to cause a rack. So you have to really be, you have to want to, you have to basically want to cause a wreck if you do something right there. Was it Chandler's fault?

Did it start with Chandler? Chandler made it three wide. Chandler made it three wide, put Jeff Burton in the middle, Chandler cleared him before the corner. At that point, they were two by two. Chandler had contact from behind with Jeb. Again, I don't know if it was because Chandler had to overslow because he caught the car in front of him

or he had to slow down to make the corner, but there was contact between him and Jeb, and at that point, all absolute hell just broke loose. And the majority of guys, when all hell broke loose, did a pretty good job of not destroying their car. Now, there were one or two that were certainly going to have massive damage, but when Ty decided to throttle up to try to point his car the other way, and I don't think he was trying to do like donuts. I think he was trying to get his car pointed as quick as he could get gone. And Chandler was coming on the right.

Again, if you guys couldn't see, the drivers are having zero guidance. It's coming on the inside. Jay have, they have, yeah, 100% he's on the right inside of that corner. And when you look at the drivers, they're going off of their instincts. Chandler thinks the wrecks over. He throttles up. He goes right. And man, as he's getting his speed up, he frigging,

there comes Ty slinging his car around. Well, you ain't stopping on dirt. So boom, he COs him, knocks the nose off Chandler's car. But the coolest part about that was, Chandler came back and ran like seven. Yeah, with no nose on the car. Yeah, I mean, and I know, well, the Turn 11 wreck in the Cup side, like all those guys wreck, and if that'd been, you know,

the Cup car five years ago, all been killed. Nobody would have finished. But this car, man, it takes a freaking beating. Austin Cendrick. I saw him off-road and I didn't even spot the wreck when it happened because I was like, there's no reason for me to tell him anything. I don't want him watching Austin Cendrick. He was bouncing and like it was... The only thing I was concerned about was he was going to come straight and T-boned us when we turned the corner. Yeah. You were probably behind me at that point. That moved you. Yeah, you'd probably run me over for third time. The, the, the interesting, think the ironic thing I should say was I seen after the after he got out of the care center the

ex-tie tie about turn 11 like that was only really the only question I asked him was about turn 11 for the cup race they're like how's that wall effect turn 11 you know has anything into effect he's like man it's really not a big deal and then he goes on Sunday and hits the wall and breaks everything in his right front it's the inside wall in 11 and then goes down in a 1 and I'm assuming it was broke it hit hit hit hard in a 1 but I thought it was ironic that they asked him about it on Sunday on Saturday and he's like yeah it's really not that big a difference and then it ends up being what puts them out of the race. There's been a lot of times I wish that we could have Tile on the show on a Monday

just because of whatever had happened. I wish it was today. And then we all know what happens when you come on here. Yeah, you win. You go win. So we should have texted him last night, but I do want to come on here. So looking at it, Brett, it looks like Chandler wasn't all the way clear of Jab. And when he come back over.

Are we looking at SMT or we're looking at a TV report? Oh, we're looking at it. SMT. Of course, SMT. TJ has his memory. TJ's got his phone out. And then the 19 comes in there and definitely. The 19 was going to get the worst end of the deal no matter what.

19 definitely helped Jeb plowl into there. Exfinity series. Fun racing. 10 out of 10, man. Home run. Every week. It is exciting. I was at dinner watching it and it was exciting to watch.

Shout out Austin Green again. I mean, another great run. They cycle, they caught a yellow at the right time and, you know, cycled up in there. But he ran top five the rest of the race at that point. He races a lot of those Mazda road courses, right? Yeah, I don't know what he's doing. So I mean, he's... Ran a smart race.

Yeah, he did the same thing at Coda. I think he finished in the top 10 of Cota. I think he was like seventh or eighth there. So, I mean, just a really good job. We gave him credit after Cota and I'll do it again here. He did a phenomenal job yesterday of just, or Saturday, just staying out of trouble. And there was no, everybody else had a little bit of drama seemed like around him. And he kind of just had a quiet top five days.

I think I saw he has two more races coming up. One was not at a road course. And it's interesting. He's running the 32, which I assume is Jordan Anderson's number. I don't know if there's points are involved there or not. But that deals all them. Like that's a single operation team. They're getting a little bit of help from RCR, I think.

Yeah, but they mean. Yeah, I think they bought that car from RCR and it's like a Trans Am team. RCR might won't buy it back. I think it's the team he runs Trans Am for that's doing it. So it's pretty impressive for what they're doing. Yeah, we don't see this that often anymore. This used to be like you go to South Boston in the Bush series back in the day and you race against all the locals there.

Now we've got a smaller team, you know, kind of showing up here and running. It's cool to see. Jonathan Davis and I talked about this last night on an airplane. It's really, really, really hard to show up and have great equipment when you're doing a part-time effort. Even if that equipment is coming out of an existing cup shop, because it's not the same guys and gals that are used to doing this every single week, weekend and week out. And we literally had that conversation last night. It's as hard as it's ever been to show up with a part-time effort and have the pit crew, and have the spotter, and have the crew chief with experience.

And it's the hard. Luckily for Austin, this whole family spot. So he had Mark and Tyler on the radio. That's funny. All right, reaction theater is coming up next, so don't go anywhere. Now it's time for one of our favorite segments on DBC, Reaction Theater, where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction Theater is brought to you every week by Consumer Cellular. Consumer Cellular has fast, reliable nationwide coverage as leading carriers,

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Here, Danny, you missed a shift and you blew up and you suck. Driving like a rookie, host of far as better than you. You should go back to the Bush series. You suck like Freddy. Damn, what'd you do, this guy? I don't know, but the only thing that I've seen about sucks that call is that guy's tune. And by Danny did not miss a shift, by the way. They had some serious.

I got on the plane last night. There was some serious pieces that were no longer in that engine. Denny Hamlin is not as good as Carson Hozo are. One day, he's hoping to be there one day. I mean, this guy's my water day. Damn, bro. Well, I should feel like I feel honored. Like he said me and Danny suck in the same corner.

Well, I mean, he wasn't wrong about you. It's so questionable. Are you sure didn't, Danny just didn't cram it? the wrong year. I mean, no, they said he said he didn't do anything. Just blowed her up. Speaking of crammon. Go ahead.

There my. Yeah. You know, I'm no genius at all. I'm pretty sure William Byron cut the track straight through, what is that, turn one? Like, why isn't that a course penalty, you know? Come on,

NASCAR, you want to be consistent? Or I don't know what you want to be, but come on, you cut the course. Where's his What the hell is he talking about when he drove up to the grass? Yeah, but he lost. I mean, the one thing that I've always thought about, you got a penalty for getting pushed out of 11 and cutting back through over to pit road. Reddick did it last year too. Yeah, so, but when we go to a mile and a half, I've always wondered why a guy could spend out of four down the front stretch or whatever and then turn around and come back up pit road to his pit road.

pit stall and not get a penalty. Same thing. It's a penalty. It's a commitment line violation. Yeah, but they don't hold you a lap. You don't get held in a lap. You, what did you get held? A shortcut in a track. I got held a lot. Yeah. You should be held a lap for shortcutting the track, is what I'm saying. It's the same thing. It is the same thing because you're cutting the track. You're saving yourself a whole lot. A whole lot. Yes. And potential damage. Yes. And I could keep going on. You know, after the start finish line, race is over. They turn around with rec car. I'm fine with that. Me too. If you spin out and come. right to your pit stall backwards.

Even when they tow you. Like, I've seen them tow you go, they tow down there, then they come back up the wrong way. Like, they should go around the whole time. They should or hold them a lap. You know what I mean? But that's just, we've talked about that before. For once in your life on the show, you're right about it.

Look at that. Take two more weeks off. Boys drink wine. What a damn race. You know, it was fun to watch. Second stage was just crazy with wreck after wreck. at the wreck. What I didn't understand

how quick the officials were to put it out. I hope you enjoy it being back. I'll be damn. I'm getting fucking fooled of. Oh, my God. I got to go. Oh, that's well.

That's not weird. We had a police officer come say hello to us on the road on the spotter stand. It listens to DBC every weekend. And I will tell y'all, I was surprised by how many DBC people are out there in that part of the world, man.

I had a cold people come up to me at a gas station. Like it was there, there's a lot of DBC listeners out there are. It's a, it's a good place, man. They're, they're, they're, they're, I, uh, I was, I kind of showed up late on a Friday morning. And I was like, going to wedge myself into this parking spot that really, I don't know. There was a great there. And then there's something else. I was like, I don't know if I should be parking on this.

So I back up on top of it. And I see that guy coming and I'm like, he's going to come and tell me I got to move, yelling me for parking here. And I rolled the window. And I was like, hey, what's up, Freddie. I love the show. I was like, ooh, thank God. We're good.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I give California a hard time, and there's certainly some weird parts of it. But, man, there's some really beautiful parts of the state. The weather's a little bit of green to it this time. Man, just the weather's freaking phenomenal. And I love red wine. And Sonoma County, I mean, their number one industry has to be agriculture.

I mean, they're growing grapes for days, man, far as you can see. I'm more than days, I imagine. Yeah, for years, thank God. For bottles. I think it's more than a day. So I did, man. So, you know me, I ask a lot of questions. And I was at a bar.

And it's actually where I was. At a bar too? Weird. I know. And I was, I was, you know, I had this really cool lady doing a wine tasting. And I was like, how much money you got in that bottle of wine right there? And it was a $59 bottle. And she said, I guess.

And I said, $10. She said $7.25. And I was like, damn. Now, obviously they have overhead too, you know. But in terms of actually the glass and the wine inside of the, bottle and that's seven bucks in it. Oh, I mean, that's like, you'd throw up if you ever saw what like bars pay for a case of Tito's.

Go to a gas station and buy it. You get like two bottles for five bucks. You can get a whole bottle of wine for seven. I'm surprised y'all haven't figured out how to get your liquor license. They probably won't give us one. We got pretty close a couple years ago. There's a background check involved at all. I mean, I'll do it right there.

So basically, Chad, if you get one bottle, you're only about three 25 or so, or, or 375, Chad. But on that same note, I went to Opus 1, which is obviously a higher-end wine. And this was what made me ask the question. I wish I had asked a question and then went to Opus 1. Opus 1, one bottle, they only make two bottles of wine in their entire breadth of their retail space. That doesn't seem to a good business plan. Two bottles?

Two bottles. Two types of wine. Two types, two brands. Two bottles are going to go quick. The lowest price brand is 160. Guess what the other brand is? Three. as you thought.

455. That seems like a lot. Casey, if we ever go out, I'm getting a $7.50. I mean, I don't drink a lot of wine. What's that? Four glasses? Four glasses. If you do a normal pour, four glasses.

And the thing about a bottle of wine is when you open it, you have to drink it within a certain amount of time or it will turn to vinegar and taste like I ask. So. Yeah. You don't want $450. I love right to know. Let's move on. And I'm not sure what all the hate is about with, um, whoever was, you know, playing the

national anthem before the race I mean if any of you guys maybe you Brett we're seeing all the comments off of X or Twitter I mean your opinion on this everyone

did you say you're peeing on this what's what I thought he said? I'm peeing on this what do you say Jay he said your opinion on this oh oh yeah it wants your opinion did you all see the national yeah so I heard it heard it. Maybe this isn't popular. I mean, it was, I've never heard a good, Jimmy Hendrix is maybe the only time I've heard a good version of the National Anthem on a guitar. Like, I mean, it's not bad. It's not awful. Like, it's not like, who was it? Like, I forget who was somebody saying the National Anthem was terrible. Rosam Barr. Rosanne, that's who it was. But, you know, it's just not, I, I just don't, it's not my thing. It doesn't sound great to me. Do you guys have any opinions of it? I didn't really. I didn't really.

hear it. I know that surprised you. That's weird. Like I looked around and all you guys, I was at my car doing something. I looked around and all you guys had your hats off and I was like, oh, they're singing. So I was like, I don't hear singing. So then I ran back over to where you guys were with my hat off and I was like, yeah. I mean, yeah. So did you all see, I think it was the Orioles game?

Maybe last week, the guy that whistled the National Anthem? I've seen that clip. I've seen that guy, I don't know if it's the same guy. That's very impressive. No way he beats Axel Lowe's opening a patient. He's done a few events. I feel like it's the same person. He did the chili bowl.

Right. He didn't chili bowl one year. I didn't think it was going to go well when I was starting to listen to the clip. And by the time he was done, I was like, wow, this is impressive. All right. Anyways. That is not the national answer. That's patience. Yeah, that's patience.

What about that? What's the other song that starts with? Is it winds of change or something? What? Yeah. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I don't think of your whistles. Maybe it does.

Great song, though. Maybe he doesn't. Man, no, maybe it ain't a whistle. I don't know. I don't think the whistle. I don't think the whistle. I don't think I'm winning a whistling contest anytime I'm either I don't think so either

Martin George Jr. fan here I'm wondering if I could put an offer out to the Ryan Blaney fans out there we'll head down to the bath pro shops get a real big bathtub we can all join in the misery because ah that's rough that was great man nothing against Martin but

I love when Dale Jr. tweets and it backfires on him tweet that Martin had the test out there and they're all like oh never bet against Martin what's also one of his best tracks. He also won there last year before the test. Really going out of the limb here, guys. We've got out of the last three, I think.

So real quick, after the, after. Well, I'm just, I mean, I wish we would have tested. Chris Booker would have won by mile. There were a lot of comments around Martin's plans for next year. Obviously, tons of drivers trying to get a spot in the Cup series with charters and movement and all that. What are you hearing on Martin? It's up to him.

And he doesn't have much time. Yeah, I heard that they're putting a deadline on earlier right now. So, I mean, that's different. Really? Like, within the next month, like, you better. Probably less than that. Yeah, I don't know. I think you know by the week after Nashville.

When's Nashville? Is there something you're not telling us? No. No, I think it's, I think it's, I think. Nashville's the last race in the month of June on the last day of June. I think they want Martin. but I also don't think they want to go through what they went through the last what couple years.

Yeah, I think Martin said it in an interview this week. You know, somebody asked them, or maybe it was last week I can't remember. Somebody asked them have axed. I got a shit on Reddit about not saying, not saying, right? But they asked them about it and he said, listen, you know, would you like to do, would you like to have the walkoff moment, win the championship and quit?

And he's like, man, you can't do that. He's like, yeah, obviously. Ideally, that would be a dream for anybody. He says, but you can't do that. You can't leave a team just in, the middle of November go, oh yeah, peace out. I'm done. You got two months to find somebody. And to be fair, that that's what you're going to have to do now. You know, that's why you're hearing deadlines of maybe the end of this month of because then they need time to, if he's going

to leave, they want, I would assume they would want him back. Like their first choice I would assume would be, yeah, yeah, they didn't want them back. They didn't. They wouldn't be up to be a deadline. Yeah. So, you know, I, you know, and, but now if he do, if he does move on, there's, there's no, I don't think there's a clear cut guy. I mean, there might be in their minds, but there's not, in my mind, there's not a clear-cut guy like, oh, when he's out, this guy's going in. You know, in years past it might have been, but, you know, who knows where they go from there. But I think that's what they want the time to find his replacement if he is going to leave. You have a lot of things in play when a guy at Martin's caliber retires, and one of those big ones of sponsorship.

You know, there's a lot of rumors out there that Noah Gregson and Bass Pro Shops could even be going to an RCR. and that could be an added charter. And obviously Bass Pro Shops has ties to Martin. So if Martin does retire, that probably helps Noah's scenario. If he doesn't retire, I think it probably hurts Noah's scenario. So, you know, there's a lot of cars to fall. But even on the Joe Gibbs side, you know, no matter who's coming in, you're going to have to have funding for that person.

No different than the rumors we hear about 2311 in their third charter. Like, who is it? How much money they bring in? or, you know, they subsidize in the charter because it's that much money, or are they going after a big competition guy, and that means less money because you can win more money if you win races and make the playoff and offset some of that. So it is such a bet, Casey on what are you doing, how much money is ideal,

and what's the result. And I'm glad to see the CUP series trending to it's all about performance because these teams that have made it not about performance and have made it about a business model are getting their asses kicked right now. And the Xfinity Series is always going to be different because a wealthy family can come in and make a $3 to $5 million spin

and run extremely well. But the Cup Series is a different ballgame. I like to welcome everybody to the NASCAR Association. I'm your driver instructor today. my name is Ricky Rudd I want everybody to hold on to your lug nuts it's time for 200 mile in hour racing

Boyd old Kyle Larson He's hard to beat ain't he I tell you what The boy air puts the work in He gets a job done I tell you what Go Kyle Busch there Every time every week he gets into it with somebody

I ain't saying it's his fault But I mean if you're involved in it every week I mean Seems like you got something going on with your Kyle I don't know what's going on with you buddy but you need to straighten it up. Bell got him another top ten this week. Hey, old boy, right there's going to win him a championship this year.

Um, thank you for calling. Don't ever call back. Where the fucking Ricky Rudd disappear doing that? Like, I thought we were going somewhere. I don't know where we were going. From Ricky Rudd to, uh, well, that Kyle Larson is good. I think he was drunk and then took one of them adderol pills.

The side of the calls. No, hang. Yeah, that was random. That was a very random call. Thank you for calling. Appreciate you all. Call back next week. Ricky.

Watching these next gen cars on road courses is like drowning and shit. It takes so long. So. It takes long to drown and shit. I never heard drowning in a shit. Has anybody ever drowned in a shit? No. I hope not.

That sounds like a bad way to go. Drowning. You imagine? I mean, that's a terrible way. to go. What are you doing? Do you have it? Like,

um, how is that? That's all right. I got a, drowning in, what was a call about? Yeah, I don't like to race.

Yeah. That was, she said it was lame. He was talking about the next gen cars on road course races. Oh. I mean, I'm not going to lie.

That was actually probably one of the more entertaining ones. And that's the thing is that was the most entertaining. I didn't think. If you didn't like that one, you're not going to like any of them. I didn't think it was. I thought the race was actually fairly good. Where's, uh,

where's the poll. Next gen road course races. Oh, all right. 80, 20. That's probably going to be our record for a road course for, yeah, recently. I mean, I, you know why? Because they wrecked. And, Larson won. Yeah, I don't know how much Larson weighs into it. Speaking of Larson, Trey Ryanson is this last night. I think he passed Chase last night for third most wins at Hendrick, you know, career-wise. So, obviously, who's got more, Jimmy or Jeff? Jimmy's got more than Jeff. Jeff. Jeff's got more. Jeff's got more. Jeff's got more wins. Jeff, Jimmy, he's got more championship. So then Jeff, Jimmy, and then now Kyle has won ahead. I think he was just, I think he was just 20th win at.

I think he also tied Dale Jr. He did. He did. Yeah, 32nd win, or 26th. Sorry, which ties Dale Jr. For 30 second all the time. Dang. Do you think Dale can hold him off?

I think Del so had a chance to beat him. Yeah. Time to buy that charter, bud. We got to get back out there. I'm going to get back out there. My favorite part is when like Kelly Earnhardt's old were going, I don't know how I wait a for a charter. And I'm like, well, Google says you got 300 million.

Listen. I don't know what you got. Maybe Dow Jr. just started a sprint car team and how hire Kyle to go drive. Just go run after. You're done cup racing, bud. You're sprint car racing. That's what I'm talking about.

Kyle Bush. Melody man taking him on spin cycle. Damn. Get that man out of here. Also, brat. You need to unblock me on Twitter. That's a good way to go about it. That's why people hate me.

Like literally, people hate me because I block them on Twitter. That's the number one thing. I don't know if it's all that. I think it's more than that. I think it's probably more than one reason. I don't think it's because you hit the block button on them. I think you've probably pissed them off enough.

Well, the thing is, then you block them and they're really mad. But yes, I don't think it's blocked. It goes back to what me and one of my favorite NASCAR officials, boys we were talking about this weekend. People are too sensitive. Like, if we sit here and talk about each other.

You're the one that blocks the whole. You're going to say everybody else is sensitive. I am because if we sit here on Twitter, there is, and you're talking about them. That's because I don't want to read their responses and replies. I don't want to be on my timeline. I highly, if you and I sit here and talk about each other, we laugh about it. Like, I don't get butt hurt.

When Denny went on his rant and on his show, calling me an idiot and all that. I was laughing my ass off in my house. He blocked him for a minute. He blocked him. He got him. He got. He's blocked. He hit Block.

You know what he did. I blocked him. Then I unblocked him. I texted him, hey, man, I'm sorry about that. Sorry, but you follow me. Block this number. Oh, my gosh. I have started blocking people's phone numbers, too.

Have you? Yeah, just, I'm like, I'm like, who we block? I don't want to hear. Well, the whole blocking thing. Twitter told me that they're like, I don't have to hear from this person ever again. And I'm like, you know what? There's some other people. I don't want everyone to hear from again either.

So I try something. Get rid up. We call Brett. You were about to say, Joe, me block me. I don't blame her. Yeah. So I text her and nothing. Where she got that from?

I call her and it's like, go straight to voicemail. And I'm like, oh. Tell me, something's going on your phone. She's like, well, okay. And so we get looking at it. She said, blocked my number somehow. Somehow, you know how she did it? She scrolled over and said block this number.

So you know what I did? I logged in her college phone. I showed it to her. And she unblocked me. There was one day I was at Brett's house. And I said, Jovey had just started a bank out of this a couple years ago. And I said, Jovey, well, how much money you got? And she said, hold on, let's see.

She liked this thing where you can call and it would tell you, it would tell you, like, just read the number out to you. And we're sitting around Brett's kitchen table. And I don't know who, but Jobie's like, hey, you ready? And I think she thought she had like $1,500 in there. Meg was sitting there too, right? Yeah.

And she's like, she hits the button. And it's like, hello, welcome. Your current balance is 52, $52,300. And Brett's like, holy, I was immediately on the line with my banker going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, something is going terribly wrong here. And Jeeby's like, smile. She's like, holy cow, my interest must be amazing.

That's not your money. Yeah, that's not your, honey. That's good. That's pretty good. It was the funniest thing because I was like, we kind of knew he had told me how much money she had. So we're all sitting there expecting a certain number. And then that lady said, I looked at Brett.

And Brett's like, holy . Oh, man. What in the hell is going on? Is this 1984 or 2024? Because two races in a row now, we've had two cars that have blown an engine. And now we've had two cars that have run out of gas on the final freaking lap of the race. Thank you, Martin Truex, for screwing me out of one of my Facebook challenges my buddy at work. Damn it.

Beating Busher and Jesus, freaking Christ. hoie. Oh, wow. I'll tell you one thing. That Danny Hammond blowup did look like a 1984 blowup. I mean, that was... Oh, it's everywhere. Big smoke and shit everywhere.

I ain't seen that much oil or whatever it was on the track. Like, it was blowing it out the pipes, and it was just, like, spreading it everywhere. It was like, ugh. That was... We came up the hill and passed him, and Bubba obviously was where, you know, we run a lot of the same stuff as JGR,

so he said, you know, let me know what happened there, and I wanted to be a real wh-wh-h-h-s and just be like, well, he blew up. Did you see the 42 over there trying to clean it up right after Arizona was happening? What are you doing? I didn't see. Oh, he was right in the old tracks. Like, what did you get out of it, man?

I didn't know. How to hell? We ran two green flag laps and he was three laps down. Like, I didn't understand. The first three cautions, he got the waiver on. I'm like, how did you lose laps? I must have cut 11. Yeah.

Really just called to say that if you're not watching the race on Saturdays, by far the best series, right? Can I get a bathtub? My boy's got his ninth, second place. finish, this boy is allergic to what he's got to get away. I know what he's not allergic to. It's whoever he cleaned out

in the 7 there near the end of the race. Might have been AJ. Yeah, I bet, uh, yeah. Good thing AJ was there. He saved Sheldon from spinning. Well, if you don't have our number memorized, you probably should by now. 704-802-9572 is what you need to call to send us your reaction

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This first one is from Layton. Will NASCAR ever consider removing stage breaks on road courses again? I would much rather watch a race where natural cautions and strategy play out than constant stage flipping. What do you all think? No. No. Period. Yeah, we tried that and then they never wrecked.

I replied to this tweet last night, no. Did you? Yeah, because the answer is no. We would run it green the entire day. The one racing that needs it the most is our Super Speedway races. That's the one that needs it. Pay the points. But they want to stop for cautions.

Yeah. We try to. I agree with this person. I would much rather see it run that way, but we tried it last year and it was extremely boring. Yeah, it was not fun. It was not pleasant. If you could hurt the tires and actually have some mission,

shoes, I would say, yeah, that'd be awesome. But the fact that you could run hundreds and hundreds of laps on these tires, where it's not going to happen. Like, it's not going to work. Next one is from Jeff. How much of Kyle Larson's success can be credited to Cliff Daniels? If he was paired with a different crew chief at HMS, would his results be the same? I mean, obviously Cliff is very good at what he does. Kyle Larson also happens to be the best driver in the world. So it's hard to imagine. Damn, Denny called. Yeah, he can call if he wants. It's, I mean, obviously, they're a good combination. Cliff does a lot. You can hear him, you know, pump Kyle up a lot. Does a lot of good job of, you know, keeping Kyle kind of focused on what he does.

Because we've seen, and when he was in the 42 car, Kyle would give races away. Let's put late restarts. He would give races away. And it seems like that mindset has changed. And he's kind of on kill at all times now. And not that he wasn't before, but he's, he would make mistakes and now he seals these deals. I mean, that was a race yesterday where he needed to be pretty much picture perfect at the end to run them guys back down and get around them and he did it. So, yeah, obviously there's definitely a lot of credit to Cliff, but obviously at the same time, Kyle is also rather good himself. Yeah, I love to have Cliff on the show because it seems to me like he is one of the best at paying attention to all the details and all the small things. And he literally understands everything that's going on around him with the car, with the driver, you know, with a pit group.

with a spotter stand like a very well well versed guy you know what i do want to say though here is it just made something come to mind i thought it was kind of funny with this new charter agreement gossip that you know they're going to let two teams keep four charters and everybody else can only have three and the two teams are going to let keep four just so happen to be the two best teams of NASCAR history yeah well how do you do it where you just tell them hey sorry you got to get rid of one they did it at jack they did that to jack rouse they said four is the maximum number of cars you can field and Jack was at that time at five and you have X amount of years to comply. I'm not saying make them get rid of a charter. I'm just saying that puts every other team out

there at a disadvantage. When you own three and they own four, they have more data. They have another driver. They have another crew chief and crew members and everything else they're developing. I just think it's funny. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I don't think it's odd. last one is from Master of Light with race up ending tomorrow what's your favorite moment from that show over the years uh i just think radioactive is i hope that finds a home somewhere whether it's youtube or something like that i probably watch every once in a while like we're watching at least that clip every week um just to see what kind of stupid shit would say back in the day or now whoever ends up on there or now or now yeah We're waiting for tomorrow.

But, yeah, I mean, it just sucks that it's going away. We need a place for a daily show like that. I try to avoid radioactive most of the time, yeah. I don't want to get anybody's feels here, but for me, man, it's just Steve Burns, you know, looking back at the legacy that he left and what he did, you know, coming up through the ranks as a Pitt reporter and then a studio guy. I mean, and I have a huge amount of respect for Caitlin Vintzzi that's obviously been on our show here and changed a lot of people.

People's lives, I'm sure, when they announced this going out of business and curious what NASCAR has planned to essentially replace it, where that lives, what it looks like, what it feels like, because I think we're living proof that fans and our industry appreciate some candidness and some unfiltered opinions. And I just hope that we get something that allows our personalities within the sport to continue to shine through because not only the sponsors utilize that platform, obviously advertisers, develop talent within the industry to go on camera and different parts of our broadcasting space. It's going to be missed in the investment that Fox made over the years for that. And obviously that was also the last time they're going to cover an Xfinity Series race.

Next year it's off to CW. So big, big changes there. Fox did some really cool things with the drivers only broadcast, I thought. They put some guys in the booth that, you know, we probably wouldn't have gotten to know. And I'll say guys like Daniel Sourrez, Austin Cendrick. Obviously, Joy Lugano is a big name. and he does a good job on TV, but they did a lot, you know, and there are certainly things that we're all going to tear them down about.

That's just kind of the way the world is right now. But overall, they've contributed a ton, and my gosh, man, I bet they've had 200, 250 people easily, 300 people on that show, you know, to help tell their stories. Yeah, and shout out to Adam Alexander, who does a phenomenal job on Race Hub, did an amazing job during the, you know. It's hard. You can't imagine, I would assume.

I've never been on the TV side of it. But he does this week in and week out with two drivers that seemingly have no experience. You know, like Adam and Jamie are amazing together. But like when you pop in like this week with Suarez and Lugano, I think, right? These guys have little to no experience. I mean, a handful of races they do. And he's kind of kind of carry the load a lot of times of, you know, doing the play by play.

And I mean, just throwing the commercials and everything else. Like it's amazing the job he does with the, I don't want to say, the little help he gets. because they're there to help, obviously. But, you know, he's carrying a lot of the load, and he does a great job. And I don't know what, I mean, I don't know where he goes because right now,

the only place you see him would be Exfinity Broadcast and Race Hub, right? I definitely see him on CW. I would hope so next year. I think he's the lead guy there. I mean, listen, how do you not put him there? But, I mean, Freddie, to your point, my favorite all-time broadcaster in this entire sports history is Barney Hall. Yep.

And it's because I remember being a kid riding around in the LTD4. going to the fish camp and listening to NASCAR, right? And listen, there's Eli Gold. I could keep going on all the awesome ones, but he's my favorite. But when you look at Barney Hall and you look at Alan Bestwick and you look at Adam Alexander, like those guys came up through radio

and they transitioned very well in the TV. Yeah, I think Adam does very well, very good job of carrying it. I mean, just think about the midweek content. What, we're, that, they filled the week with things to talk about. I don't know how, even in a boring week. They somehow figured out of the way to get us information. NBC's coming and, you know, changes, big changes there. A, no Dell Earnhardt Jr. in the booth.

B, Rick Allen's around for a hot minute and then he's going to Exfinity only. So, I mean, the overall landscape of the broadcasting world is rapidly changing in the NASCAR space and the cup space. We'll certainly be missed. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll hear who y'all's idiots of the week are. What an idiot. Freddie, would you like to pick things off? Oh, I get to pick an idiot?

Yes. I actually have two, as usual, but they're two spotters. One is Tyler Green, who was a very good friend of mine, and he ran 32 miles in some challenge this week. He had to run every four, he had to run five miles. Yeah. I think it was five miles every four hours or something like that. Wow. Over a 24-hour period.

And he ended up and run 35, 40 minutes. Like how to get up at, no, no, no, no, no, run for five miles. I'm saying he probably runs that in 35, 40 minutes. So then, so then, but like one of the runs, three in the morning, he had to get up at three in a morning and go run. Why? What did he win? A hat.

I buy him a hat. Daddy had to buy. Daddy had to pay for it. Oh, he had to pay for that house. I told him, I said, we got vendors. We could, we could be interested in hats. So that's my first one, idiot. My second one is Derek Neeland, who had a terrible day on Saturday.

I think it was. When did we go to Ernie's? Friday? Friday? Friday. So Friday, we're trying to get to Ernie's and there's a little bit of traffic and I see somebody's got pulled over in the right lane and it was just Derek for using the shoulder when he shouldn't have been using the shoulder.

What an idiot. What an idiot. It gets away with a warning, luckily for him. But the problem was so that night, here's his one idiot. That night he goes to dinner with our buddy Monash. They get together. They eat dinner. They take Monez's car to wherever they're going to eat.

Monez lives two and a half hours from Sonoma. somehow when mona has got up the next day the keys to derrick's rental car were in his car at his house two and a half hours away so it turned into a bit of a disaster on saturday for poor derrick he had a somebody's mom went and was coming to the track and they picked them it was a it was a rigumeral but uh yeah so that my one idiot has to go to my buddy derrick for somehow ending his keys ending up two and a half hours away from his his rental car yeah well and i kept seeing mona is at our hotel so now i don't know why He kept having to bring, get Derek his keys and valet him and Uber him and everything else.

Brett? Um, go, TJ. I don't know yet. I still thinking. I didn't have one this morning until I was sitting here. It's such a smooth weekend. I mean, we could go back to last week a little bit. There was last week when all them slide jobs were going on that weren't working in the midgett's cars?

There was some slide jobs in midget racing last week. Yeah, I don't know who they were. Tim's maybe. I don't remember who they were. He deemed himself, though. He did. I don't know. I mean, there's a friend of mine that I know very well that we were at dinner on Saturday night watching Xenny race, and it's a bunch of guys on the 16th.

Somehow his menu drops into his water and my water. He's sitting across from me, and I'm wearing both the full cups of water. And, yeah, I didn't even move. So I just must have a fancy restaurant. I had a heavy menu. No, I don't know what it was. It was Carinos. I don't know what that is.

It's that John, I don't know. John Carinas. Yeah, they used to be on an exfini car back in the day as well. But yeah, so I'm wearing two entire cups of water at dinner. That's nice. Yeah, it was cold. Or I can go with another one of my friends that tries to call me out and then loses miserably on Twitter. Who's that?

Well, I'm not. Use his name. So you guys worth $300 million? Yeah. Yeah. You got more than one of those? What did you call you out for? Well, the whole market thing.

Yeah, like testing doesn't matter. And we go back to the Ligano thing. I didn't see Ligano pass anybody at Wilkesboro the whole night. I mean, it got to you and couldn't pass you. So, and the whole qualifying thing at Wilkesboro is way off the charts. I'm not sure Joey gets the poll if it's not a pit road entry, a lap and all that stuff. I don't know. I don't think, you know, I think testing helps, but I don't think it makes, I don't think you're

assured to win the race. You know, obviously, Larson, I don't know what Chevy car tested at Sonoma, do you? I hope it was not Larson. I really hope it wasn't because he tested Iowa. Yeah, I was at Iowa with him. But yeah, so I don't know, man, but, I mean, apparently we need to send, you know, Boucher out there to test because if you were to test there, it'd have been over. I mean, apparently, apparently.

I was an idiot, and this was getting serious. I apologize for getting serious on you all of a sudden. I was sitting at a stoplight last night, and I watched this dude start wailing on his kid in the back seat, and listen, my mom slapped the shit out of me in the back seat before her. This wasn't that. This was way more than that. So I make a decision to call 911,

and I am talking to this dispatcher, and I'm giving him this guy's tag number, and he pulls over. And I pull up beside of him when he pulled over, and I looked at him, and then I backed up behind his van, and I'm on the phone with 911, and they're like, what's going on? And I'm telling them, they're like, do not get out of your car. And I'm like, man, that's really hard to do.

And at this point, he's at least stopped whaling on his kid because he knows I know what's going on. And the dispatcher's like, do not get out of your car. And I was like, well, he just got out of his. He said, drive away. And I said, I don't think that's in the best interest of this kid. So I keep sitting there, and the guy goes into the back of his van, which I'm literally four feet from. and he opens the back of his van and he's like, what he's doing?

I was like, what he's doing? I was like, you have got to drive off. And I was like, okay, I'll drive off. So I ease off. He jumps back in his van. He's like, what's going on now? I was like, oh, he's following me. And do not pull over.

I'm like, okay, whatever. I want to pull over and beat the s-h-out of the skinny and I was pissed. Anyway, I got a text last night when I got to the plane. And it said, basically, thank you for calling 911. We have responded to your situation. been in touch with the people that you're talking about. Here's a survey. A, what an idiot this guy is.

But, man, I got on this plane worried that they probably didn't find the van. And ironically, I was on Otis Boulevard or something in Alamede when I met this van. I mean, when I met a cop like 45, 50 seconds later, and I was like, man, I hope that's the cop that's coming. But eventually the van stopped at a red light. And, yeah, but don't beat your f***, you morons. That, that a shit drives me now. cuts. Oh, good Samaritan.

Yeah. Yeah, right. All right, DBC picks. Oh. I can't believe we let T.J. Change his pick last week. I know. I said that.

What? That's just an 911 call. Anyway, T.J. won? Yes. Congratulations, T.J. You win at Sonoma. We're taking picks for Iowa, and I will go first. Prayers.

I'll take Chase Elliott. Chase Elliott. Who's next? Brett. Damn, I finished that bad with AJ. I'm a dinger. Man, I was watching him. He's running third, and I felt really good about my chances.

Who'd you have last week? Bisher. I'll take Joy of Gano. When we go to a track for the first time, that guy seems to adapt very well. Yeah. I'll take Kyle Busch. TJ?

Well, according to my friend and the other guy that does the picks and all this stuff. It's hard to bet against somebody that tested there. So I'm going to go with Kyle Larson. Wow, you got Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Larson available. I've been waiting. That's why I got three, dude.

I'm sucking there. No, you're the worst. All right, looking at Iowa, I believe there was a partial repave, right? So. It's definitely partial. What can we expect? Did you go?

Oh, yeah, I mean, what does it even look like? Like, is it not how to describe it. It looks like my kid got older a coloring, book and start just going. I assume, so here, I tweeted this the other day. I tweeted this the other day and you get a kick out of this. So they interviewed the three guys that went to the test.

It was Danny Larson and Bradwell. Oh, Bell. Bell, Bell Larson and Brad. So, so they interview Larson first and they're like, are you going to be, are you going to have to run on the new pavement? He's like, yes.

He's like, he's like, 100% yes. He goes, you're not. He's like, well, it took us a little while. get it to rubber in, but 100% you've got to run the new, you're going to have to, it's going to be one lane. It's going to be in the new pavement. They go to Bell and they go, you got to run the new payment? 1,000%.

Yes, you're going to have to run the new payment. You know, go to Brad. Well, we got to get there and see what they do with the tire dragon and maybe they can rubber in. I'm like, this is, TJ on the podcast. They said, they said, way too much time together. They did say, I did hear that they were going to, they saw that and they were going to run the tire dragon a bunch in the upper lanes.

They better run it a lot. They better run it. They better run a bulldozer with some asphalt up there too. It's like on the, the weirdest part is it comes off the corner and it stops, it extends into higher lane. It stops on the bottom. It's just kind of weird. So we started testing there.

Like they're kind of crawling around there. Larson starts ripping the top like the old asphalt and going faster. And then I don't know. like I wish we just ran up there all day because you know what I mean but I don't know what's I've heard maybe later on after the race this year they're maybe going to do some more stuff to it I don't know but it's going to be challenging I don't know that was awful insight for what you just gave us right there by the I think they need to go out there and put some cones up and make us all run around the second lane third lane when we get there okay well you do that have fun you're not going

I actually am upset I'm not going because I love the Midwest I love Iowa. The track's cool. Sell out Friday or sellout Sunday, sellout Saturday. Seems like there's a sellout Archer race maybe potentially. Yeah, yeah. Sell out arcor race. So where are y'all staying?

What town are you in? Des Moines. Where are you kicking it? You don't know yet. No idea. We, and for the test, I believe. I can't remember if I've been to this track or not back in the day. I want to say I have.

You probably went with Elliot. Yeah, you probably did. Maybe you were there. I bet you did. I bet you did. I bet you went with Elliot for sure. I think if I went with Elliot yet. I think if I went with Elliot yet.

Because this is the track that Jimmy Small used to run who worked for NASCAR. I will 100% have been to doing an Xfinity race here. But I love Des Moines. I love Iowa. Great people. Again, big agriculture state. So y'all have fun and have a beer somewhere because those are beer drinking good time people. If you are in town to Knoxville Raceway.

Is that Saturday night? Not too far Friday and Saturday. How far is Knoxville from that? It's not far. It's not far at all. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't always want to go there.

for the Knoxman National. The midgets running? No, the outlaws are running. Oh, wow. Outlaws. Speaking of midgets, shout out. Old Chloe Boat Industries. Big win?

Won the Indiana Midget Week this week. The week. Jason personally got, I think he podiumed every single night. Two wins. Shout out to those who stopped by and said hi. There were a lot of DVC fans. Did I see a clip of one of someone's throttle hanging on a restart or something in a midget?

I didn't see it. Did y'all see that? It might have been somebody making a mistake, but we don't. Well, no, I mean, how do you make a mistake and go full throttle through the infield into a push truck or a, oh, I didn't see it. Oh, yeah. You know more. Are these cheap readers, T.J. Or good readers?

Those are Amazon, like, bundle of five. They work good. They look like Santa getting ready to press. He looks very. He's on the naughty list. When you take them off. You look like intelligent. They just want that.

Those must be magic glasses. They're just one. I did not feel a temperature. Anyways, shout out to Chad and Dason and the entire TV industry's team. No, intelligent. I ain't helping. You can get the shirt on them wearing. Casey, I'm going to need you to.

Oh. I don't even know what to save. You're buying shirts? How much longer to have babies around here? August. Two months? She's having it on my birthday. Depends on the day.

You don't even look pregnant sitting there right now. If I stand up, I do. Yeah. Same. We should do a comparison towards the end. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm a close second of ready. Yeah, well, we can do a comparison as we get closer.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, we're going to meet you to grow a little more. Anyways, thank you all for listening in. Be sure to send us your thoughts for action theater. Hashtag AskDBC and have a great week. Love you guys. See you next week. We out.

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