Door Bumper Clear - 335 | Iowa: “If You Build It, They Will Come”

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Casey Boat, TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, and Freddie Kraft are back in the studio to recap the inaugural Cup race from Iowa Speedway. With Martin Truex Jr.’s recent retirement announcement, the crew reflects on his storied career and discusses who could step into the #19 car next season. And as rumors swirl around Stewart-Haas Racing drivers, where is the most logical landing spot for each one? Plus, while Chase Elliott is the new regular season points leader, why is nobody considering him a legit contender for the Cup Championship? And you won’t believe some of the schedule changes that are in store for next season.  (00:00) BS Session(23:07) Spot On / Spot Off(49:45) Reaction Theatre(01:01:14) #AskDBC(01:09:58) What An Idiot(01:17:21) DBC Picks Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. No good. By one. Don't ever drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's right. Wait, that just because T.J. planned it that way. Ball three, out back.

You come in time here. You come and see up. Bottom three, wax. It's hard to get locked. I mean, seriously. Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Sure. Bopper.

Clear. So there. Pumper. Pumper. Clear, clear, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. the six cup car this weekend.

Did a little arica racing with Andy Jay. I look for it. I'm Brett Griffin. I am off this weekend. I am going to be back to the racetrack in Nashville and I am part-time spotting this year for Richard Childress Racing and the number 33 car. You're coming to Nashville?

I am. There's good news. What's up? Freddie Crafts spotter for Bubba Wallace, Kyle Sieg, this weekend. Hi, Casey. Hello. Casey Boat here.

Well, we're back from the... What are you? Already? you're laughing at me. Guy was laughing at Freddy. Okay. We hear back from the... Your intro should say,

Casey Boat, pregnant, A.F. That, yes. That's a great description. She got here, she said, my back hurt. She said, welcome to my fucking life, Casey. I think we decided we're going to compare

bellies, like, towards the end. You're probably still going to lose, I think. Oh, my gosh. Is that what my baby shower is going to be? Yeah. It's an on-jope baby shower. Anyways, we're back from Iowa, the first time the cup cars were on track where Ryan Blaney finally gets his win after being so close.

What did y'all think of the race? I thought the cup race is pretty good. It's racy. I was, thank God these guys went to school overnight and figured out how to make these tires last more than 20 laps because we were going to be in trouble. If we, luckily, I heard the Jeff and Jordan talking about this. Like if we went here and had a 20 minute practice like we normally did, that race probably is going to be a bit of a show because you never really got, you know, you wouldn't see less issues and guys might not be, you know, so keen to change their setup. I know we made pretty substantial changes to ours. I just want on the record that Freddie is advocating for more practice.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, thank you. Had more practice there. I don't ever want more practice. Was it hot? No. No, it wasn't hot. 100?

No, it wasn't. You know, and I seen, you know, I didn't know, I didn't realize going into it that we were a 6 o'clock start. I mean, you know, I figured out obviously about a month or two ago. But I think that's why they did it, you know, because it was pretty hot during the day. And then it was obviously cooling off as the race went on. So, and it's more for the fans, obviously. The racing, I think probably would have been better if it was middle of the afternoon and hot, slick. But, you know, it's a lot to ask of people to sit out in 100 degree weather all day long.

I originally looked on my calendar and I download the one off the website where it auto loads into your Google calendar or whatever it's called. And they said it started at midnight. Midnight. And I was like, well, this is going to be interesting. And then it eventually went completely off the calendar to where you couldn't find it at all. We were not there. Yeah, it's like you weren't even there. I had the same thing.

And it popped up and I was getting ready to race. It was that like, you know, it gives you the warning before. I got that warning. And I was like, okay. But, I mean, the racing I thought was good. I thought the racing was better than I expected it to be. I was worried after Saturday. We saw tire issues on Saturday.

We saw it go to pretty much a single lane around that second lane, middle lane. And, you know, obviously we always say this, you know, the cup guys are better than the Xfinity guys. But that's just a fact. And they are able usually to run better. Sometimes to their detriment where they're also fast that they can get away from each other also. But they did a better job of using both lanes yesterday. There was kind of a third lane. There was a little bit of a dead spot, I thought, right,

to the very top of the asphalt. But I thought it was pretty racy. Overall with, you know, going after Saturday's practice, I think it was very clear from the media standpoint that drivers and teams were worried about the race. What conversations did you guys have internally as a team of what the strategy would be like? how to adjust if these issues definitely come to fruition.

So the biggest thing, I think we talked, everybody talked was the, like the talk of the garage when I got to my, you know, our meetings was, you know, you had 10 sets of tires and it was 350 laps. So you could run, I don't know, it was like 40 laps. If you know, like if you, you could put tires on every 40 laps and we were blowing tires every 20 laps in practice. And it was like, you know, the math, not math thing here. Like you're going to have to figure out a way to make these last at least 40.

And then you could see. And it was, I think as it, we, you still. saw tire problems. It's basically, you know, you guys know this. It's, it's, you know, how aggressive do you want to be with the setup? You know, it's camber and air related. And I didn't know this. I was listening to Teardown last night.

And, you know, they said that Goodyear underestimated the lap time by almost a second. You know, they give out that curve of where they recommend tire pressure and cambers at. And they had to adjust that curve because we were running so much faster in practice. But, you know, I know our team made some adjustments to our car to make it last long. I'm sure you did two, T.J. Yeah, we, uh, we really didn't have any. any tire issues on the six and you guys are always perfect well we weren't gonna we weren't having the overware problem and we don't i don't think we're ever on the side of chancing the air of being too

low like a lot of cars are and if you look in you can look at the cars that that do have problems and most of them are repeat offenders from whenever we switch to this car at some point they seem they just that's where they they there's speed there's speed there but there's also a risk too with it. So I think most of the tire problems, like Freddie said, were, we're self-induced, kind of. I know if, you know, if Goodyear says the recommend is 30, I mean, there's going to be some that are at 28, you know, but it's fast. I don't think, I was a little worried about the track because everybody, in practice, everybody that got in the second lane, I just lifted and dove right the bottom so the second lane was really kind of sketchy in practice and that made me a little nervous

for the arka race on Friday night but those guys towards the end of the arka race I noticed guys starting to move up their track and turn down in the middle just run this big arc and turn down and I'm like well if they're running that big arc or turn it down it's going to eventually stick in the middle and then they're going to carry the speed on exit so it showed signs of that at the end of the arca race and then the exfini race obviously I thought was a good race to watch and and um those guys were all over the place and they there was there was tire problems with exfini cars but they were it was a different type of problem um so the we don't really have when we have problems with our tires most time the drivers can feel it a lot of times like

they like uh bristol those guys would feel it um and they can get the car slowed down a lot of times before him and Exfini cars, they just seem to be having, you know, problems where they didn't have any sign of it and it just would go. But now the track definitely widened out as the weekend went on and

if anybody's going to widen a race track out, it's going to be a cup car now and how these guys are. Man, what a, um, turned out to be a pretty good race. Some surprises on guys that weren't fast. Some surprises on guys that, you know, didn't qualify well started in the back.

obviously Blaney led I think a career had a number of laps for him so across the board going to the racetrack for a first time almost every time is a good thing I don't know the last time we went to a track for the first time with cup cars and it suck and I think gluck's pole is trending at 92% it was a good race we've been about how poorly the car performs this car performs and how hard it is to pass at short tracks I mean we saw passing yesterday I mean we saw denny start up front and go to the last Obviously, a lot of cars past him. Curious what he'll say about it in his podcast. But overall, watching the race on television was a very pleasant experience.

Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, there was times where, you know, we got, well, I'm sure we'll get to it later. But, you know, we got a gift yesterday of, you know, a caution during that run. And it cycled us to the top 10. And we, you know, we were able to, you know, get stage points. But we still, you had to have a good car. Like if your car wasn't good, you just weren't, you know, we could drive up there. there was guys up that stayed out and we had 30, 20, 30 lap tires, you know, more than us.

And we couldn't pass them, you know, because our car wouldn't have good enough. It wasn't because the tire, you know, any tire, there's just, we weren't good enough. And then as the runs went on, we just continued to fade. I think one of the things that amazes me just about NASCAR in general is we can build racetracks in the absolute middle of nowhere and have tens of thousands of people come out. And I don't care if we're talking about Pocono, if we're talking about Watkins-Glynn, if we're talking about Michigan, if we're talking about Iowa. Like, holy cow, man. Our fans are just unbelievable in the sense of literally if you build it, they will come.

And it was cool to see a packed house yesterday. The show's good, man. I mean, you know, this racing, we have good races. And, you know, I'll give it to them. I was skeptical about this repave. I was there for the test. And I know how slick it was. And man, it was a turned out to be a really good deal.

I think, I think, you know, the only thing that I would like to see more of is we didn't really have, when I say there was no fall off. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was like no fall off. So you were worried more, you know, there was kind of an, I think that we would have, you would have seen a lot of probably no tire, two tires if you had more confidence in the. tire. You know what I mean? Because everybody was so concerned about the tire early that, you know, you just, you know, I mean, Blaney won the race with a two tire call. Right. You know, and it was just because, you know, that's what's going to win us to race. We've got to go for it, you know, and he was talking at the end, like the lefts, I think, I think, uh, Hassler said they had like 130 laps on their lefts by the end of the end. And he felt like they were wearing,

finally at the end, the very end when William's trying to chase him down. But, you know, the falloff was so little that you would, I think you would have seen guys be more aggressive if they had a little more confidence that the right side tires were going to stay up. Yeah. The only thing that I will say, NBC did wrong during their broadcast is if Rick Allen said one time, he said it a hundred times that Blaney has 80 people in the stands watching him today. Well, guess what, bud, there's about 40,000 people there. They're also in the stand's watching it. I got so tired of seeing them 80 people on television and their great t-shirts. I was like, give it a rest.

Literally leading and they were cheering. Over and over. What was worse, the 80 fans of Blaney or the HMS 40th anniversary that they went to how many times 50 times during that broadcast yeah there there was some redundancy there jay i'll give you that so while we're on that topic what obviously this was NBC's first race back what did y'all think of the broadcast will i guess more for brett since you watched it i mean look it's a big change um you know that rick allen's in there for a short amount of time i felt like he did a really good job navigating the conversation um Burton and and letart did a good job They hit some points that I feel like you wouldn't necessarily see hit on some of the other broadcast. And LaTartre said point blank that he's really surprised that was a caution.

And I feel like when you're a fan sitting at home and you see something happen and television lies to you, it upsets you. You lose credibility within the broadcast. So I appreciate Steve's candidness and honesty on things that he was covering and he gave some really cool perspective. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I mean, the broadcast certainly missed El Jr. You know, I mean, it kind of sucks that he doesn't have a broadcast home this year. Obviously, he's coming back next year with Amazon and looking forward to that. But it's going to take some getting used to.

I mean, obviously other people are having to fill the time that he would normally talk. And he would have some cool perspectives on stuff. And obviously, he's still in my mind, the most popular person in our sport, whether he's driving or not driving. So, but overall, man, I thought it was a really, really good product. And I enjoyed the shit out of it. I mean, it blew Phoenix away. Like, you're, I'm sitting there watching this thing.

And I'm like, why is Phoenix our championship race? Like it literally is my least favorite track on the circuit. This one was in my top five yesterday. Yeah, I agree. Well, I can imagine there are a few reasons why maybe being in the middle of nowhere is probably not a solid championship. I'm going to guess in November is probably a little chilly there. It's okay.

It doesn't matter. Weather doesn't matter to Brett. It doesn't matter me. I don't care. Where does y'all stay? What towns? Des Moines. Oh, Des Moines.

Did you go to the high life bar? No. That's the best bar in town. I was at Knoxville. Watching Tyler suck. Tyler's terrible. He almost got laughed. How far is Knoxville from the race track?

It was... With the construction or not? No, it wasn't bad. I never really hit any construction. It was... I went from the track to Knoxville, and then it was... So it was probably 45 minutes maybe from the track.

They didn't... Oh, that's not bad. And then 45 to the hotel to... Yeah. It was almost 45, wherever you were. They did a great job putting, like, World of... all I was racing at the same time, that same weekend. I mean, it was a no-brainer. I got a few tweets about people going to the track. Yeah, I mean, the whole industry was there.

Yeah. I saw there was tons of guys in the garage. Yeah, we went out. We a bunch of spotters went. It was fun, man. We might have made a might have stopped by Dingus for a little while. Tyler had a much better run at Dingus than he had in Knoxville. I will say that. I had imagine. Anyways, before we hadn't spot on, spot off, obviously there's a ton of room swirling around where the SHR drivers are going, especially with Martin announcing his retirement. What are y'all hearing? I think the biggest thing, you know, for me, Casey, coming out of all this silly season talk, and listen, we've probably never seen this many teams up in the air with, you know, drivers and crew chiefs and spotters and all the stuff that's going to go down. But some really

good organizations are going after some really good people at Stewart Hoss Racing. And when I look at Stewart Hoss Racing, obviously you've got talented engineers over there. You've got talented crew chiefs. You've got talented mechanics. You've got talented guys like Greg Zippy, who's been, Greg Zippelli, has been around forever. And what I am kind of surprised at is top teams are going after these guys. It's not like – and be honest with you, the bottom teams need to be going after them. Like if I'm on the bottom half of the points right now and I'm not running top 10, like I'm going to go

and I'm going to make some major personnel changes within my team to make me better. I don't know what RFK did over the last two years, two and a half years, to get so much speed and get so much better and literally become almost a Premier Ford team, Ford organization within the sport. But obviously, there were changes that they were made. So I'm curious to see what Stuart Haas people land wear, Freddie. Yeah, I mean, the people side of it's one thing. And the driver's side is obviously, I think everybody's seeing the rumors that Chase Prisco is getting into 19.

I think you could probably expect an announcement on that in the next week or so. You know. Didn't see that coming two weeks ago. No. No. And, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, listening to let's tear down again last night. You know, you, I don't think they wanted to start a rebuild. You know what I mean?

Like, you've got a championship caliber team there. You don't want to put a Corey Hine, you know, or, you know, which I don't know, there's something going on there with Corey Hime where he's never going to get in a JGR car. It seems like for some reason, I don't know what that is. Can't be on the black list, but. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but they're, I think it's just like contracts. I don't think, no, it's not contracts.

Really? I've heard. But, you know, it's, it. Contacts, maybe. You know, so, and so who else you're going to get? You know, there's the Eric Jones out there maybe, but do you really want to poach a driver from another Toyota team? You know, John Hunter, you know, he might have been in that position last year, but then he went to the 42.

Now again, and he's not having a good start to this year. He's not, I shouldn't say, he's not making many friends. I'll say that much. T.J. loves him.

T.J., big fan. So then who you're going to get after that? You know, you're going to steal somebody? Well, that's going to cost you a lot of money. And signing somebody like Chase Priscoe might not cost you a lot of money.

You know, I'm surprised by it. And I say that because he has one win in his cup career. He's been around a while. Last year, he ran behind the Rick Ware cars, the majority of the time. And this is when Rick Ware was not running as well as they are this year.

That's what makes me surprised about it, is the struggles that hit a mile and a half tracks for that group was really, really, really bad. So that's what surprises me is, yes, that is a championship caliber team. Yes, that car can go out and win. Yes, they want a driver that they know they can put in and he's going to be that guy. I'm surprised that they think Briscoe is that guy. And I'm not saying he's not the right hire. I just, no different than when they hired, you know, Alex Bowman,

at the 48 car. I was surprised by that. They went all young blood across the board at Hendrick, and when you see that happen, you're like, how many years is it going to take them to be relevant? Well, now they're on top of the freaking world, William Byron. He's won more races than his car than anybody. But when you see those moves happen,

you look at at Chandler Smith and say, do you put him in there, well, it's going to take three years for them to win. I don't think they want to wait three years. Yeah. I mean, they're waiting. What's Ty Gibbs? I mean, year and a half in?

No, this is year three, I think, isn't it? Well, they run some part-time for you guys, 2311, but not full-time. Full-time. Last year was this full-time. He's a year and a half in, and I think the strategy is it takes these guys two to three years to become winners, and I don't think with that car they want to wait. Here's the other big question is, to your point, how much sponsorship stays on that car, on the 19 car, with Martin leaving? Because that dictates how much money you can spend to go get a driver, right?

You can't go hire, I mean, for lack of a better word, you can't go hire a Matt Kenseth and bring him back in, not from retirement. but I'm saying if you want to go hire, you can't go hire Kyle Bush. Yeah, that's, that was the name I was going to say. I guess let me say that. For one, you're going to have to spend a lot of money to get Kyle out of his RCR contract. Then you're going to have to pay Kyle where I'm sure the pay scale for Kyle Bush is quite a bit different than it is for Chase Brisco. Yes.

And then you have, you know, on the sponsor side of it, you know, you have, Mahindra tractors, I think is probably going to go with Chase. So, you know, there's, there's money coming in with him, plus the sponsors that are already there. I'm going to assume Bass Pro is probably done there. you know, though we heard the rumors you brought it up last week about maybe them, you know, kind of shifted that sponsorship to know a little bit more. But yeah, you know, and Briscoe, like, listen. Where's that at?

Like, the only place that makes sense is RCR to me, but they'd have to buy a charter for that, I would assume. I mean, Kyle made a comment about being willing to go somewhere else. He ain't all nowhere. He's staying there. I think, you know, he might want to leave, but I don't think he can leave. I don't know where else. The only other rumor I've heard of him was maybe trying to get back at Hendrick, but you're going to get rid of Alex Bowman.

The guy finishes in the top 10 every week. You know what I mean? So it's a weird deal there. As far as the other guys, I don't know, Priest is probably out. I would assume he's got to find a home in the Xfinity series somewhere. Yeah, that's what I hear too. Josh?

Josh. I would think that Josh and Cole Custer probably are the two guys that end up in the front row cars, the new two extra front row cars. You hear that rumor a lot. who hell is else oh noah noah's you know like we said noah the only room that makes sense to me is noah taking some bass pro money maybe the bass pro consolidates all their money to go to rcr because they've been split for the last few years or last 21 well when you think it's 21 but when you look at this bass pro sponsorship i don't know of another brand currently in the sport this doing as much

as they're doing they're sponsoring multiple teams which is obviously multiple drivers they do a lot of activations with the racetrack. It's very clear that they believe their customer is a NASCAR fan. And up-and-coming drivers. Like, they follow them from the beginning. I mean, they're on Dale's lay models. They're on Wyatt Miller's, you know, cars, cars, wherever he, whatever he runs. They're just across the board a little bit everywhere.

What are you hearing about 21? 21. A rumor I keep hearing is a little guy that we know. Former podcast guest. If that comes to true, if that comes to fruition, he's earned it. I talked to Justin Haley last May. We were at North Wilkesboro and obviously I spotted for him full time the year before. And he was talking, you know, through scenarios that he had for a career path and you're sitting there listening and you're like, man, this sucks.

Like this guy is a good dude. I like him. And he's good driver, smart driver, doesn't know anything stupid. and obviously can win races. And it's like, man, it's just wrong place, wrong time. What's going to happen? Well, then he announces Rick Ware, and we all look at each other going, what? Well, he runs top 10 yesterday all day, pretty much.

And finally got some TV time. Not that they wouldn't mention him, but they wouldn't really show his car. And then they finally showed his car. And I'm like, oh, my God, the camera guy found a 51 car, thank God. But this guy has obviously impressed a lot of people. I mean, I've heard that he could potentially go to a 2311 third car, but potentially to RFK if they had a third car. Obviously now he's rumored to be going to the 21 car,

which may be vacated because Briscoe didn't and then elected not to stay in the Ford camp. And it's kind of ironic, you know, Toyota raises a lot of these guys through their programs, development programs, and then they lose them. So it's kind of ironic that Toyota's getting a guy. They're going to take a Ford guy. Which, hey, man, good for them, right?

Because you got to do what you got to do. But no, Justin Haley, I feel like is going to end up in a really good spot. I don't think it's going to be a long time either until that deal gets announced it doesn't sound like. Yeah, we're going to have to get him on here. The problem is he's quit coming to Big Alas because he apparently decided to be he wants to be a pilot. So he goes flying every Monday morning.

So he can't come drinking is an ideal, I guess. Well, they said it's like eight hours bottle to throttle is what they kept saying. So it's not where probably unless he starts flying about noon, I don't think he's going to make it at the big Al's anymore. What about that third 2311 charter? What could possibly happen? I don't know what that you're talking about. But it's going on.

It's going down. Mm-hmm. I don't think that'll be a long time before I get announced either. I think it's pretty clear cut what's going to happen there. Interesting. Well, we're going to take a quick break and then kick off spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. Spot off.

Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride her out there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? First topic. Martin Truex Jr.'s crew chief, James Small, saying it's been a big distraction in the past few years when asked if Martin's indecisiveness about hanging up the helmet has affected their teams focused.

Spot on, spot off, Brett. You know, the crew chief's job is to go out and make the car as fast as they can for whoever is driving it. And the driver that you have driving your car dictates what that setup needs to feel like. TJ might like his car a little looser, Freddy might like his car a little tighter. But for me, like I don't... Definitely prefer it. I don't...

I agree with you on the tighter side. I would want mine tighter, too. I look at this as just kind of word fluff, and I don't think it's a distraction. I think that, you know, Martin's going to go out and drive his ass off. Here's the cool thing about having a Martin Truex Jr. in your car. You don't have to wonder if the car's any good.

You know the car's good if he's fast, you know the car's bad if he's not. I've been in situations where, you know, the driver says something, the crew chief and engineer look at each other and go, well, he's full of shit. You know, that car ain't, that car ain't that car ain't that bad because they don't believe in the driver. And that's the cool thing about having a Martin Truex is. You know yesterday when that race, when he qualified so bad, you knew it wasn't a car.

You knew the car wasn't where Martin needed it to be. So I'm spot off for just the whole comment of it because you got Mark Truex Jr. driving and you're going to want mark trust junior to drive as long as he'll he's willing to drive and you got a big change coming next year i think that you know i think that the i think that the i get the distraction side of it but i don't think it's should be a distraction to the crew chief like you said you know it's a i could understand you know if you don't know year to year i mean this is this was the third year right we've been what you know waiting on martin to announce you know are you coming back you're not coming back bob haxed and the same question i mean every week for

three years it seemed like um or two and a half years whatever but you know I can see on the team side of it, you know, you're trying to build a program and long-term, you know, sign, you know, it's hard to sign a long-term sponsor if they don't know who's driving the car from year to year. And it's hard to kind of get your, you know, groundwork laid where, you know, you're going to compete for championships if you're wondering who's driving from time and time. But, you know, just for one thing, just shout out to Martin Truex. I mean, unbelievable career. One of the guys I filed growing up, another Northeast guy, you know, I remember, you know, him running a wall stadium and then some of the Bush North stuff when I, when I first started. seeing him around and then you know obviously once he made it to the leap to go you know exfinity for or nationwide at the time probably for junior you know that was a team that i follow a driver that i followed a lot growing up so awesome this the career he had and then hopefully he goes out on top he's got to get two wins to get to 50 NASCAR wins so i told drew that's your job the rest of the years make sure you get you know that and then total NASCAR wins not just cut the first time i met martin we got in the tahoe in the middle of the night i think we left at midnight and we drove

to Daytona Beach, Florida, and we partied all week that week. TJ didn't come for whatever reason. But TJ, you've been around him a lot more than the other two of us have. Yeah, I mean, first time I met Martin was at Daytona when, I think it was 04. So he was running Bush North. Yeah, he was getting ready to they, he was getting ready to drive the chance to stuff, I believe. And that's the, that's the weekend that Dell Junior won the Daytona 500.

And me and Martin hung out that whole race. And we were, all the crew, I mean, we were halfway. We were going to run out into the grass. We didn't know what to do. And then it was, that's the, when Deljured and pulled in Victory Lane, oh, my gosh. You know, talk about a mob. Like, it was, there's no way we were making it in there.

And that's when Jeff Clark, big dude, he was the motor guy on the butt eight car at that time. And next thing you know, he's got me and Martin like this walking into Victory Lane. And we go to Victory Lane. And we have you on the ground or off the ground? Both. His hands are bigger than T.J.'s head. Yeah. And he's carrying me and Martin in there.

But yeah, no, I've been around Martin a lot. He's been a good friend. I mean, when he drove down here, he had a company truck, didn't drive it half the time. I mean, my car broke down or whatever. He let me use his company truck for a couple weeks at a time. I mean, he didn't, Mark, I car brought your truck. Yeah, I don't care. I mean, he's just real quiet.

I mean, laid back guy. I love to fish, hunt. but he's been I mean we me him and del Junius is sitting in that computer room and and race till probably two three in the morning a lot we come back he'd get back on Saturdays a lot we'd get back on Sundays and man Martin would already be in there I mean we'd get into the door and I mean we'd be home fairly early than we are now and we'd get in the door and might be like all right let's race like damn man we just got back dude and but no Martin's been a good friend and and it's been fun to watch him grow from where he started

This is where it gets hard. Excuse me. It's, you know guys like him are going to just disappear. You know what I mean? Like he's going to be a guy that retires and you might not ever see me. I mean, he says he's not, but I don't believe him. He says he, he did say JCR has extremely cars. I mean, Danny said he's got a ride anytime he wants at our place.

But like, I don't believe him. I don't believe him either. Is he going to pull a car as well as a person? I mean, if there's a way for him to come back and race, I can see that happening. But otherwise, it's no different than, you know, Ricky Rudd or Elliot Sadler or any rest of them. Like, when they quit racing, you never see him again. I mean, absolutely, obviously, Hall of Fame career. And thanks to his move when he left MWR, which he was kind of forced to leave there, obviously with what happened there with the team shutting down.

But when he left MWR and he went out to Denver, Colorado with Furniture Row, holy, life-changing. And I didn't see that coming either. People thought he was crazy. You know what I mean? That's impressive what they did with Furniture Row. They actually formed the alliance with JGR and then they started beating him. Beating JGR's butts. And then JGR got tired of it and said, just come over here and drive now.

No, it's been what they built with Furniture Row and what they did there, winning the championship. You know, it's really impressive. I don't remember what year it was, but it was around 2016 when he started. said. Like he'd win a race every year or two or three, you know, and then all of a sudden it's like four wins, six wins, boom, boom, champion. You're like, wow. That was fun to watch. And never, like, I don't ever remember Martin getting into a fight. No. Ever. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he just didn't give a shit. You know what I mean? Like that's, that's his personality. He got whatever. He got mad one time. He only got mad that one time. Even then, it was just, you know,

like, he won the battle. I'm going to win the war. All right. I mean, that's the most controversial thing that happened in Martin's career. You know what's crazy, though, is he's, like, he's been, like, angry on the radio and stuff, but he's never, you never, like, just gone and wreck somebody or, you know, like, maybe he will start now. Maybe just, where, remember Clint? Clint said he, when Clint's last race, he said, like, I'm going to Phoenix. I'm a wreck every motherfucker that's ever wrecked me.

Hey, are you going to do Clint's truck race? No. Funny enough, I get a text from Clint and son about doing the truck race. He's like, can you believe Brett said no? I was like, yes. Have you not listened to the podcast? Do you not know the quote, Frike truck?

If there was a T-shirt that Brett could wear. I told him that I will be sitting at a bar, cheering him on very loudly, but I will not be at the Nashville race track for that truck race. It's Nashville? Yeah, it's Nashville. So is that the only reason why? Because you'd rather go out on Broadway?

I would rather not go to the racetrack and it start raining and me spit there for, sit there for four hours for a reindeer. It'd be 150. Casey, I'm semi-retired for a reason. And it ain't to go truck racing with anybody. Okay, whatever you say. I love Clint, and I hope he didn't get upset. It sounds like you might have him.

He might have been upset. But I was like, so Freddie, are you in a spot for him? Here's exactly the way the conversation went. Hey, man, what are you doing? Nothing. Hey, see, I'm going to run a truck race, yeah. Man, you won't believe all the shit I had to do to be able to run his truck race. Yeah, okay.

You're going to come spot for me? And I said, no. What trucks are he running? And he said, are you serious? and I said, yes. And then he texts Freddie. That's it. Oh, my gosh.

Ridiculous. Maybe Nick can do it and get a win. I got a new word for Nick. So, Bodie, Bodie's obviously a baseball player. And he comes home from practice. He's like, oh, it's a nice word.

He's like, dad, the coach was glazing cult today. Glazing? Glazing. That's probably not a good idea. And I was like, Bodie. I don't know. I don't know.

context of glazing. Do you know the context of glazing? Jay, you're young. So I'm like, what does it mean, but he's like, he's meat riding him. I was like, meat, meat, my kid's 11. What the, I'm like, what do you mean he's meat riding? He's like, you know, he's like, on his jock. And I'm like, moody.

Like, what the what the what are you talking about? Dad, like he's kissing his, he's kissing his butt. And I was like, oh. So now we can say that Nick is glazing. So I can say Nick is now, I can say Nick is glazing. and meat riding. Is that what we're getting at? This is going to work out really well.

Nick's going to, I hope he's not driving when he hears this. He's not going to talk to me for a year. I mean, I told you I saw him on the roof. But if you have a kid that's like in this 11 to 14, don't ask them what glazing is because I wish I'd never asked. Hold on a minute. Don't Google it. We'd not recommend that.

Incognito. All right. All right. Spot on, spot off. after a caution was called on lap 182 for Daniel Hemrick blowing attire. Christopher Bell's crew chief Adam Steven said, that was the most ridiculous bullshit caution I've ever seen in my life, Freddie. I didn't know that.

I saw somebody say something of the quote was, but I didn't know what the quote was exactly until you just said it. Listen, I thought that was a great caution. I don't know. Okay. I don't know what. T.J., I know you probably agree with me. That's the best caution I've ever seen.

But here's what I want to go back to. 2020. We blow a tire leading the race at Bristol with 50 to go. We have to ride around, stuck on the high side. Can't get down. No caution. A short few laps later, the 20 car blows a tire and gets right down under the apron, put it out. He continues on and runs almost for the win of the race.

that was more of a probably a B.S. caution than this one. Honestly, they're probably about the same because they probably knew the one of them warranted a caution, but I just, yeah. There was enough going on

during that run that could have been a caution. I thought the 43 was much more likely to be a... The 43 blows a tire, I assume, off of two and is kind of creeping down the back straight away. I mean, he's not stopped. I was worried about him because his pay was so slow. He did a really good job. He did a good job of hooking to the bottom and getting down. But like we talked about that at Bristol, which this was a different race director than Bristol.

I know Dale harped on that. Like different guys are going to make different calls. And I had just got done. We were running long. And once I saw some, there was like three or four guys that cut a tires. It was like 71. I think the 34. The 43 was the one I thought was going to be a caution because he was going so slow down the back straight away against the wall, still had across lanes of traffic. and I'm like, once I seen him get to the apron and they didn't throw the yellow, I told our guys, I was like, this is like Bristol. They're not going to throw it unless something happens. Like something big is going to have to happen for them to throw it.

And damned if I wasn't wrong, two minutes later. It looked like it was going to get big, but it quickly fixed itself. The only thing I think that I will say in their defense is I'm pretty sure the 31 was the only one that had contact with the wall, or at least stayed in the wall. know, like, I don't know if the 43 and them guys hit the wall and came off, but the 31 got in the fence and kind of stayed in the fence a little bit and then kind of came down. That was the only difference from the other three or four incidents that were going on. And I get it. Like we're joking around that we loved it because it benefited us greatly.

Adam, they were on pit road when this happened. They were leaving pit road as the yellow came out. So obviously he's going to be much more frustrated about it than anybody else. But, I mean, you know it at a race like that. There's a lot of tire problems going on. and they're on the other side of the shoe where other side of the foot, whatever, they're trying to be aggressive going.

Other side of the foot. Whatever. The shoes on the other foot. Yeah, whatever it is. They want the short runs. That's funny. Blake said that just, Hemrick just glazed the wall.

He's glazing. Oh, but the thing that, this comes back to something we've talked about on here a thousand times is, you know, they, they say that they don't want to throw a yellow during a pit cycle, which, again, I can't stand because what's going on on pit road should not affect what's a caution and what's not a caution on the racetrack, I think, in my opinion. I think they do it. I think, and maybe Brett might not agree with this now. I agree with whatever you say. Thanks. I think they do a good job letting the races play out. If a guy just gets a, these tires give you a warning and you go up the racetrack, you might not.

hit anything they give you that that benefit of not destroying your car we'll get to pit row still you shouldn't if we did that for every time somebody had a you know what all just stack everything we could with speed in the car like that yeah you know what i think it was a j almondinger that said yeah well he said saturday was no warning and and obviously a massive hit yeah he was worried about his uh cahunas that he hit so hard do they check out i don't i don't know he asked her to check him out he said on the interview um and i can't believe we're That's so funny. They said on the next day that it gave him a lap warning, so he kind of knew it.

But, yeah, I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And listen, as this caution started to, as this incident started to happen, and the angle that Noah was at, it looked like it could get big real fast. And I think that was probably where whoever, the committee made a decision really quick on that one. I'll give them credit for that. Let me tell you something that came out of this caution that I thought was a, a bold move and I loved every second of it.

I might have something better. Let me go ahead. Ricky Stenhouse stays out on a hundred lap old tires and burns like half the field and traps him on a lot. You know, they couldn't wave because he stayed out. I mean, and it ruined Reddick's night. It ruined Briscoe's night. You never saw that.

I mean, those guys got back up. They waved around back to lead lap finally with like maybe, I don't know, a hundred to go or so. Yeah. And then, but they had a pit at the end when nobody else did because they were going to be short on fuel because they took the wave around. But Ricky is taking an insurance policy out on himself. Mike Kelly is. Mike Kelly made a great call because they don't even care where they finish in that stage. They've just know that they've just trapped half the field to lap down. That was the move of the race probably, like strategy-wise. And I don't think it's a direct result of why they finished

in the top five. They had a great run. By the way, shout out to Lauren from Noss. We've got our sugar-free Noss packages here on the counter. They had a great. They had a big suite there, I think, with a bunch of people. Saving us. But, you know, they come out there with a top five. And that's, I'm sure. I mean, it definitely contributed. I don't think it's the sole reason why they got top five. They had decent speed at the end, but it definitely contributed to it. So I got my question with that.

We're right behind the 31 when this happens. I see him hit the wall and he's against the wall. We kind of go by him. Well, he speeds back up and gets between, we're leading the race and gets between us and in the pace car. I don't understand this. That's not a position you can be in. You're not on the lead lap.

And I have no idea, like, they open pit road with him behind the pace car and of us. We're leading the race and we're coming down pit road behind the 31. He's got some front of you. And I'm like, I mean, okay. So we pit. He's a lap down already. And we come back out. What, what, shouldn't he? Shouldn't he be two down? Well, he should be under penalty for pitting too soon because he's not on the lap. He's not. He pitted with you. He got a penalty, I think. I remember. Oh, yeah. But no, no, it gets better. He comes out right with everybody else, right in the mix of all the leaders right there. He chooses. And, and, coming to the green flag, they drop them.

So that messes up every. Every mess. Screws it. Well, not to mention as a leader, you should, you want that little bit of an advantage coming down pit road. Not that there's much.

Yeah. But good Lord. I think we beat you off pit road. Yeah. Because, I mean, we came on your bumper, but it was,

we beat your bumper. Glazed your bumper. Also, Jesus Christ. Listen, tell me what, tell me what David. No secrets all here today.

We have, there's a caution during, during Freddy's 50 minute practice. And we're all sitting on pit road down there. They're cleaning the racetrack. We're sitting there for a few minutes. They're caution during practice, which don't tell the one? No, no, not the one.

I'm not talking about the 31. What, like, everything's just the workers around the track. Next thing you know, here goes the 30. It's the 31. Oh, God. Rolls off pit road and just go, like, I'm going to go back to the garage area. And they're working down in three and four where the accident scene, whatever was. And he just rolls.

pulls off and, you know, back in the day, that had been like, oh, I need to. He'd probably have been done practicing. Yeah, like, that's just something you don't do. And, like, nothing really was ever said about it. But you can talk about the one if you want. We'll say, I'd save that for a different time. It's like a 30-minute practice. A different segment of the show.

Different segment of the show. All right. All right, well, after getting into Kyle Larson and essentially ending his day, Daniel Suarez said, I don't think that was my fault. T.J. Spot on, spot off. Have you looked at the date on this one? You know T.J. was directly involved, right?

T.J. was the one to cause it. We're the one that caused it. The second interview said the six and the five crowded him. We must, I mean, I don't need. You want to know how to fire it up T.J. was about this? He texted me when I was on the plane about it last night with pictures. And I was like, because I didn't know.

I saw one. I already landed. My buddies in the black flag podcast. So you're team's tourism. this week. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Oh my gosh. My buddy's in the Black Flag podcast tweeted out like, Daniel Suarez says that wasn't my fault when it absolutely was only your fault. I was dying laughing. And I really, we were on the bottom of it and I knew it was like live. I knew what happened. The best thing was he said on the broadcast via his in car radio that sometimes you

shouldn't go in the middle and sometimes when you do their consequences. That's what he said. That's the picture. That's the middle of the corner. It's going to be consequences if you just run into it. Maybe that's what he meant. He didn't like being put three wide. He said, sometimes you shouldn't go in the middle and what you do, there's going to be

consequences. I saw people or heard people like questioning Larson for making that move. And I'm like, listen, first of all, that's Kyle Larson. Like that he's going to take every opportunity. The guy had the, they had the fastest car. The move was questionable. Like when you have the best car, that moves probably not necessary, but that's that's Larson.

That's what you're going to get. And it would have been fine if the 99th, didn't run into him. You know what I mean? Like you had, he had plenty of room up to you. You had plenty of room to the wall. Everybody's got room except for the 99 coming up the racetrack and driving into the side of Larson.

So you can say the move was risky and maybe that's the risky part of you got to know who you're making that move on. Maybe some guys are not going to give you the room you expect. But that was a move that should have worked and it didn't because the 99 ran to the side of the problem. The only person that drove into the side of somebody worse all weekend was in the arc race when that. Swalich.

When he just kept driving into Connor. I was like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Like, literally, you look like a fool right now. In the turn one there, it was like, there's a corner there. Two things I wanted to mention

with the Acker Race. First of all, shout out to Eric Brennan for doing a fantastic job in the booth. I thought he did amazing. I trained him well. Yeah, Brett and Eric had to decide that over a beer at my table. But that deal with Swalich,

and then he gets out, and I think it was Heather DeBoe was interviewing him, and she's like, do you know, what was that basically? You know, like what were you doing? And he, you know, he made a comment about, you know, I lost all the respect for him when he jumped the restart. And I'm like, and then she literally said, oh, so that's why you were running into him essentially?

And he's like, yeah, pretty much. Like, I'm like, what? What? Like, this was the, I get it. You know, if you want to take a shot at a guy one time, you know, you go out of there and drive. But he just, he running the side of him, then he got clear. Then he went into three and just drove through the back of him. I was like, what the hell is going on?

I literally thought he was going to send him to the hospital. I was like, what are we watching? I can't believe they didn't read. Now you don't know why I can't spot them races. Shout out, Connor Zillich, Butterbean again this week. Come on DBC, you win races. That's all I'm telling you. By the way, Casey.

I've never been more spot off than for your question there, by the way. Thank you. This might be a first time. Might be. Moving on. Iowa's first cup event proved they deserve a second cup date, but before we go back, they need to finish paving the track. Correct.

Spot off. I don't think anywhere deserves two dates. No, no. No. Going back next year. Oh. Oh, it says it deserve a second cup date. So you're saying like go back again next year.

Yeah. Oh, I'm spot on. 100% we got to go back to Iowa. I wouldn't touch the racetrack. I mean, it is what it is. I think you put on, listen, man, I mean, you sit here and you say, Larson shouldn't have made it three wide. Well, people that paid $100 a ticket,

deserve for Larson to make it three white. And I apologize to anybody that doesn't think he, including Daniel Souris, that thinks he shouldn't have made it three white. The job of a race is to go as fast as you can, and if there's a whole sticky car in it, right? So great, great racetrack. I love the Midwest.

I love that we, you know, we had such a big presence in the agriculture, you know, belt, so to speak, when we went to Kansas and we went to Joliet and we went to Rhode America. Like, and that's a lot of, a lot of Midwestern presence. And we lost Joliet. yet and we lost road America.

This is awesome to be in Iowa, and I'm here for it. Caitlin Clark and NASCAR, that's what Iowa does. I don't know where you're at. I disagree with Brett. I think they should finish paving it because that place was, was, I think you just paved the corners. I think he just finished to the wall into corners and make it, at least make it even on the exit, so one lane doesn't have a two car length more longer patch than the other.

But, you know, I think that place is always built on the progressive banking. That was one of the tracks that I think we've been. once you first with the progressive banking, that in Homestead, that really shined. And I think that if you do that, I think obviously the concern would be maybe the mood, the groove just moves up to the highest part of the banking. But you don't know that. We thought this race was going to be single file. So I think the higher you move it up, the more options you give guys, the more air you get

to get away from somebody, find clean air. I think it'll only help. And plus it'll look a lot better than it does because it looks like it looks funny on TV. They do the aerial shot. And you're like, man, it looks weird. but I would just want to see it, you know, let's use all that rate. We talk about Texas, all those lanes we can't use. Right now at both ends, you have two or three lanes you can't use.

NASCAR on racetrack. Surprise it took so long we get there? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely, because the truck races and the expanding races that we've had there have been really good. And I will, I'll say this. They had, we were all worried about traffic yesterday and zero, zero issues. And out was easy.

It seemed to be. And I haven't seen. We obviously, we get there pretty quick. But, you know, it's, I never saw any complaint. I never, you know, usually if it's bad, Twitter will light up. I never saw any complaints about it. I got right out. I had no problem.

I kept checking the traffic. I was like, is it getting bad yet? And man, it was, it rolled good. I, there is, I don't think they missed on anything. I think their racing product was good. the fan engagement out there, the Midway was packed all weekend. Great Midway. Yeah, it was packed all weekend.

Fans were, there was a lot of activation there. There was a, he's good. I met a lot of DBC fans. I met a lot of DBC fans in Knoxville, which I was surprised about. A lot of couch racer shirts in Knoxville. We're in the wrong market. We got to go dirt racing, by the way. Awesome.

But fans from all over the place. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, you're off from, I'm like, oh, are you guys from? And it was South Dakota, you know, Minnesota. soda, wherever it was. I'm like, damn, we're drawing all kinds of markets here. So, I mean, it was good to meet that many fans from a different area. Can they? Should they add seats? I don't think so.

I mean, it was a good crowd for what they had. The sweets in turn one were great. Oh, did you see them sweets in turn one? That's pretty cool. You know, I don't know. Indy car went there and did such a bang-up job. I was like, we got to go here. So I'm glad we finally did that.

I do think you repave. I do think you finish it and let it widen out naturally. as it progresses and stuff. But I also don't think you, I feel like sometimes if you start adding a bunch of seats, then it just creates, I think you leave it.

Make it a hot ticket. Yeah. What was the crowd yesterday? I'd say 40,000 looking at it, but I don't know. Yeah. Make it a big deal. Like make people want to one travel there.

I had a couple of water. So everything. You were seeing double for the, I don't know. Well, I started at lunch and I had a couple beers. And I was like, I got to stay down. When I saw a tweet of your big. I was like, he's not even going to see the races. It's a late start.

I made it. We are going to take a quick break. When we return, we'll shift gears to Reaction Theater. Now it's time for one of our favorite segments on DBC, Reaction Theater, where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction Theater is brought to you every week by Consumer Cellular. Consumer Cellular has fast, reliable nationwide covered as leading carriers, but with plans as low as $20 a month.

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laughing so hard. Crying last week after the Sonoma episode. You guys were unreal talking about this shit, that shit, beaten shit, drowning in some shits. I think the show needs to be sponsored by shi-coolers. That might make everything

just bit perfect. Anyway, keep up the good work and I'll try to control myself and keep all my sheds here when I listen to you guys. Take care. Cheers. Don't cut anything out. So listen, I heard speaking of losing digits, Blake shared with me that it wasn't a digit. Well, I guess it could be considered a digit. Somebody, somebody had a

firework accident and lost a pretty important part of their body. The car stories. The whole thing? I don't know. They're do-fony? They're do-fony. It's gone. No. We didn't, there's a, is it confirmed. There's a, he blew his do-fony off? Hey. What about his tank? Jeez. That's a tough. That's a tough deal. We got to, we got to get more details. That's bad. Like Lorraine and Bobbitt blew it all? I don't know. I just heard a rumor. A firework incident.

Oh. Tough. That's a tough break. Thoughts and prayers. What kind of firework? Good Lord. That's a fucking move. A pun intended.

Jesus. We need to move on now. All right. Next call. Did it? Hey. First time caller, long time lurker. You know, with all this talk of an international race, NASCAR is really missing out on a big

opportunity. One word. Madagascar. You know, some new eyes, some new people, and the perfect social media chance. Hashtad, Matanaskar. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, NASCAR. What is up with all these Sunday night races?

Tell me that. It's a long time. It ain't a holiday. It ain't Independence Day. It ain't Memorial Day. It ain't Labor Day. Why are we having races? on Sunday night.

Don't you know by now, I like to drink beer on Sunday afternoon and watch the race? I got to get up at 4.30 in the morning on Monday. I can't drink till the wee hours of the night. Is this you? I ain't get up at 4.30 if I be in the bed. What time did the race end here? Uh, late. I think it was like 10 o'clock or something.

I think it was close to 10. Race isn't ever bred about 8.30. I think 10, 10.30 is somewhere in there. I am on board with this guy. Like, I want to start at 1 o'clock Eastern every week, but it's 100 degrees outside. And I remember races at St. Louis, man, you know, you run in the middle of the day. People are falling out in the stance from dehydration. Like, I don't want our fans to suffer.

Gosh, man, it's a double-edged sword. I agree. Just take the summer off. Just don't even race during the summer. Just take a month off. Well, I don't think they're going to listen to you for next year. Summer's longer than a month. Yeah.

Month of July off would be nice. August is pretty hot too. No, not if you go to certain places. You don't think we should have more Saturday night races? Well, the problem is the ratings. The ratings suck on Saturday night. So do you think they did the Sunday night to not have to compete with the U.S. Open? Because if I'm a casual sports fan, I'm probably watching the end of the U.S. Open.

I don't know how anybody can sit around and watch golf. Like, I love golf. A lot of people do it. I like to watch the highlights, but to sit there for four hours and watch golf, some people say the same thing I just assume to run my ass across a cheese crater the golf fans say the same thing about NASCAR

I know but I just I can't just sit there So you didn't watch any of that U.S. Open yesterday? Not a fucking swing. Choking down the stretch? Not a swing, Jay. He did choke. When you said you missed them

some of these folks can't hold a tune like Freddy's buddy can't hold his liquor at Big Al y'all. Y'all have got some awful voices. Was that Jonathan Davis?

sounded like John Davis. What was that guy's name? Pute. Oh, yeah, Bobby Timmons taking strays in the reaction theater this week. Catching shade. Hey, NASCAR. Welcome to Iowa. This race brought to you by half-ass fault paving.

That's right. Half-ass fault paving. We don't have time to pave the whole track. We'll just do a half-ass fault job. You want tire-aware? Well, hold my corn. that guy had like a commentator voice he did he sounded like the old like movie trailer guy

you know he's called a movie trying like trying to get movie times movie phone dot go whatever movie phone listen it was time right that's what they said they ran out of time like they announced it late I Gluck wrote an article about it Jordan was supposed to send it to me obviously forgot because he doesn't like me anymore or something

but yeah I think it was they said it just time related that's what they can get done in the amount of time they had Speaking of time related, I saw Ford finally out of their logo to their race car. Yeah, what the hell they'd be doing? That was brilliant. Who thought? Who would have thunk it?

Put your logo on something. Yeah. Great PR play. But you know what they waited to start running better? They're like, we're hauling ass now. We put our name back on there. Maybe they started a season. They were like, hey, let's wait and see how we do.

Because if we ain't very good, we don't really want our name on this thing. And it's like, okay, we're good. Who's that horse car? Go ahead and slap that on that. What are you idiots for saying it's time to panic. But not you? I was saying it's time to put the Ford. I'll go on, but now I see why they waited.

I'm kidding. Yeah, this message is for TJ. If he's there today, don't know if you'll make it in. I haven't missed a show yet. That's a charger might be a little left step there on your powered car there, but I'll be dipped. You're going to have to yell at Kyle Larson there just,

I mean, didn't even see you guys. guys outside. You know, that was part of your strategy, TJ. Come on. Dan Larson. Yeah, Kyle. What are you doing? Stop pinching us. Finally, that son of a fucking Martin Truex, Jr.

is retiring. Good riddance, you p. Who the fuck doesn't like Martin Truex? I mean, apparently that guy. Well, yeah. I mean, who could he be a fan of that he doesn't like Truax? He's a Logano fan. I guess I mean

Martin doesn't not get along anybody I don't know except for lap cars every once in a while he didn't like them or the actual car

Martin's easy to spot for I did a few races in Exfinity with him and he's an easy guy to spot for I've done one race with Martin as well tell John Hunter Nemichick

to park his ass back in the infield where he belongs that's what can't drive a damn taxi cab let alone a race car that's a Noah Gregson fan for sure yeah that's that was that was a pretty big rack John Hunter man he is I don't know if he he's just on a mission I think to piss

everybody like he needs to come on the show for some good luck he was he was running he had some contact on Saturday with a bunch of guys then Sunday he just went in there he had shallowed his entry up and was charged an inch really hard and just it just looked like He just washed up into the 10 and turned him around. They're all lucky that didn't wreck worse. But, yeah, he was, he's being, I mean, he's always been very aggressive and he's staying true to form. Boy, I ain't getting out of the tub. We're staying in the tub and we're party.

The women's on the way. The beer's cold. It's Father's Day. I'm calling in to work tomorrow. Woo-hoo! Go 12. The women's is on the way to the tub. What was it?

They were all backing in or something. They were backing into that tub. Yeah, they were backing into that. That would be fun. Well, how about a little throwback to the old NASCAR race tub? Jimmy Spencer Crying TOW edition. Oh, my God. I'm so sick of hearing that.

Anybody who out there thought Ford wasn't going to win or not make a comeback, at least at some point in this season, has never watched a Frient NASCAR race, like, ever. Come on. Just go cry in a towel, get pie to the face by Brad Kazowski, have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. Very aggressive. This guy needs a minute.

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but it. Yeah, broadcast was mentioning it. Um, it's, I don't know that it played a huge factor, but it certainly didn't hurt anything, I don't think. Yeah, I don't, I mean, with the speeds we were carrying there, I, I don't think, um, I think it would have hurt the product if we were shifting for sure. Um, but I, if we ever seen it help the product. No.

No. No. Yeah. To me, like, they have so much grip there. If they started slowing this, and this could be a problem if we start, you know, having tire wear as well, but you start slowing down, guys are going to start shifting. And I don't know with a repave if we're going to have enough, you know, to really spin the tires and hurt them. I don't know. I definitely don't think shifting. I like the not

shifting part of things for sure. Agreed. Agreed. Wholeheartedly. This next one is from Zach. Do you think, oh, sorry. Come on, Zach. How many questions you're going to ask? This next one is from Ben. And how seriously should we be taking Justin Haley? He just scored another top 15 for Rick Ware Racing. And I know we've touched on this a little bit earlier, but safe to say he's in it for the long haul. I mean, yeah, obviously.

I mean, he's just outperforming anything anybody's ever done in that car before. I mean, by a lot. You know, it's not like they're just backing into top tens or caught a caution. And he ran top 10 the whole first stage. Then they had a pit road penalty. I think that came back from that. back, put him back, and he drove back to the front. And he ran, I mean, he was top 10, 12 speed all day long.

I don't even know where he finished. But he finished 13. Yeah, he was, that's kind of, he just ran there all day long. And that, those cars, those cars never did that. You know what I mean? And he's done that consistently over the last month, really, I think. Yeah, he's been fast at Darlington. He's been fast at, he was fast at Wilkesport.

The Elfroystststores. Bristol, the other race at Bristol, we had tire concerns. He was fast there. I like what they're doing. doing there. This is kind of what we thought could happen. And it's actually coming true now. You know, they're running good. And they went out and made moves to get people. They got some, they got Justin in there. They got a new crew chief in there, Chris Lawson. And they spent some money. Yeah. And what I like is, I think what they're doing, you know, if I'm Justin, I consider

staying there. You're building us. Because once you find momentum like this and you see, start figuring out how things are working and what you need to make you know and um obviously we have alliance with rfk which you know obviously we've they've been we've had some decent speed here the last you know a couple months um i mean i like what they're doing i think justin them and and and roby and and everyone there is doing a great job and and uh hopefully they continue to build on it yeah i mean looking at it at him in the points obviously he's now he's 30th which which which give him give him a lot of points back he got disqualified absolutely that hurt but he's still ahead of collie gracing rcr and the woodbrother slash penske so man uh great season and i think it goes back to

rick ware agreeing to invest more money in the team and and he started that concept when he went out and hired justin hayley i mean you knew you were going to have a higher caliber of driver than has been in your cars in a long time from a full-time perspective and you have a chance to truly go out and build something and evaluate, are we getting better, are we getting faster, are we qualifying, you know, higher and are we finishing higher? And the answer is yes. So no matter what Justin does, if he stays there or goes, certainly sounds like he's going somewhere else, Rick is now in a position to go out and acquire a driver with talent because I don't know how many people last year in the garage, if you had surveyed, would have said, I want to get in that car. And now I feel like

you're attractive. It almost reminds me of that 78 car for a while. You know, the 78 car was kind of just, you know, all right, he's out here for a while. Then Regan got in it. Regan won the Southern 500. Then, you know, Kurt got in there for a little while. Then Martin got in there and obviously took off with it. You know, but like, would guys like Kurt and Martin get in there if Regan doesn't win a race, you know, so it's, it's definitely making it more. And listen, honestly, you know, we talked about earlier the rumors of him getting in the 21 car. When was the last time of 21 beat the 51 or out ran, I should say at least outran the 51 this year. You know what I mean? I know you've talked to me and you've talked about it. The 21, I mean, I love them guys. John Wood,

congrats to him for taking, you know, he's become the president over and he's going to take over. I'm sure he's going to try to write the ship. It's never run even really compared to the other Penske cars, which is, you know, some kind of alliance there. It's never really, Blaney was the one, last one to win and he won one time. And I think, did they say the first, the next person, or Bain won the 500. But that other than that was, I think Elliot. Elliot Sadler in 2001. So to TJ's point, if you were in Justin's shoes, would you consider staying and not taking that?

Probably not. The problem that I think I would, and I don't, this, I always get a shit because I talk about this team and they cry about it all time. The depth of equipment would be an issue. It's probably the main reason why. I think Justin basically has two cars. He said he has two cars. You know, and this is obviously a good one. Yeah, there's one good one that he runs.

I mean, and he, that would be my concern. If I, that would be my main reason for leaving would be, you know, you have a wealth of equipment when you go to a place like the 21 or RFK. But, I mean, that doesn't seem to be paying off. Well. You know, but if you keep finishing top 15, you're going to get more cars. You're going to get your equipment's going to. They really, they really haven't been in a position.

Right now, if I'm him, I stay right where I'm at. I've got a good crew chief. I've got somebody that took a chance on me, invested in me. They're bringing pieces in. I would build on that. I mean, they obviously, what makes, you know, fast cars help? That cars go fast. They're utilizing their alliance.

They got a good driver in there. They're bringing good people in there to make, you know, use that equipment and their skill sets. I would keep building because you got three good pieces right now. You got a car that's fast. You got a crew chief that's aggressive and going after it. and you got a driver that can do it too. And management going out there and doing this, I mean, now I keep building onto that and bringing more, you know,

hey, it makes the cars are a whole lot easier to take to the track when you bring them back and they're not tour up and they're, you know what I mean? And that's what they've been doing. They've been bringing these things back and fine-tuning them. And they're learning tons every week. And, man, I don't know. I think I would continue to build for another year. I would continue to build on it.

should be interesting uh Justin another Justin had a great question uh chase Elliott is back at the top of the regular season point standing does that make him a legit championship contender I think for what I was going to I had this in my notes to ask you guys like it's funny yes the answer is he's obviously legit he's got the best average finish he's running the best he has in a long time but when was the last time like if I asked you right now who your championship favor was It's not going to be Chase Elliott, right? I mean...

No, he only has six playoff points. He will get 15 if he wins regular season. But no, it's not... I mean, it's probably not... I mean, I would have to say Danny and Larson are the two that would, you know... Hands down. And when is the last time, like, the point leader wasn't the... You know, I mean, the guy, usually the guy's dominating the season.

Usually the guy, like, you know, he's a shoeing for the... I wouldn't even say he's a shoeing for the final four and he's leading to points. But, you know, it's just... It's a tricky thing, and I don't know if it's just because you expect a lot of... at a chase he's expected to win more that's the biggest knock he's not winning but he's finishing obviously got the best average finish he's finishing up front every week it just needs to capitalize on wins he's in a single digits all race every week yeah all right well don't forget use hashtag ask dbc to submit your questions on x we're going to take a quick break we come

back we'll turn to our always entertaining segment what an idiot what an idiot Freddie, would you like to kick things off? I want to ask a question. Oh, no. Did Matt Weaver eat a piece of paper? What? Matt Weaver, did he eat a piece of paper? Like with sauce or ketchup?

I don't know. It was on the Twitter that he said, if something happens, I'll eat a piece of paper. It happened? I guess he ate a piece of paper. You never read paper before? A whole sheet of paper? No.

I think Chloe did lots. I'm actually on that note. How do you even eat paper? Just go ahead, try it. No. So is that you're an idiot? I mean, if he ate paper, he's an idiot. He's probably having a, you know.

I mean, how do you poop paper? Oh, God. Seriously? How do you pass it? You don't think it digestible? I mean, biodegradable? I mean. Anyway.

Freddie. So I had, I don't even, I really didn't have a wooden idiot this week. So there's a couple guys I want to pick on. First one is T.J. Do you know TJ wore a cool shirt yesterday? Heck yeah. During the race. Him and Herm had these things hooked to the grailing

and I mean, I guess they're not idiots because they were probably much cooler than I was. But I feel like I don't think I want to carry on this. I feel like we're outsmarting. I feel like they should be illegal for the drivers to wear. What? I think you're an idiot for saying that.

I'm going to go ahead and tell you, I didn't, and I've always been like when the driver says my cool suit quit working, I've always been like, what a wuss. man. I understand the difference in temperature now because L. Earnhard didn't have no cool suit. He also had windows the side of this table.

Nail Bonnet didn't have no cool suit. Same windows. Anyway. Carl Evers didn't have no cool suit. By the way, Freddie, what size are you want to get one? We've gotten away from being a blue collar sport and these guys wearing cool suits. Well, it's more for their safety. I have, I had two more of this. I might just give it to you. But again, not an idiot, but

I just there's something about I don't like I don't like the Superman celebration from mayor like like I don't know I don't think he's superman

what comic what guys what superheroes I don't know dude he's won six the last 29 races in eternity I know I just don't

I don't know why I don't like it I had I had this as a note to bring up because he did make a few comments around not being considered for some of the cup rides do you feel

he should be now with his runs. I'm surprised he didn't get a shot of that 19 car. He didn't, like his interview, his interview when he referenced the fact that he, like, I forget, the language he used, I was like, that might be part of the problem. It was not, it was not very well. And listen, he's doing a great job.

Like, no, I'm not going to knock him. He's doing a month. A year ago, you know, rewind a year ago, he was crashing a lot and he was making a lot of mistakes. He has corrected a lot of that. He was very aggressive on Saturday. But he has corrected that. And like T.J. said he has won a bunch.

in the last, you know, like the second half of last year and the beginning of this year, he's done a really good job. But, man, I just, I don't know, I have a hard time with Superman. This is where I don't understand the JRM approach to the charter is you have a Sam mayor and you have a Sammy Smith. Both are assumed to have very deep pockets. And so for you to go out and start a cup team, you need a cornerstone partner. When you look at Dale Earnhardt, DEI, when they started the team with Michael Waltrip,

they went to Napa and said, hey, we need you to leave Ron Hornaday in trucks, and we need you to come with us with Michael Waltrip to cup. And they said yes. So like when I look at that scenario going over there at JRM and it pertains to Charter, it's like, why don't you go to one of those two because they're both really rich, right? Aren't they? I don't know. I mean, Sammy's not rich, but Sammy has connections to money.

Too money. So, I mean, when you look at what 2311 is allegedly about to do with their third charter and who they're about to do it with and the sponsorship they're doing it with, that's to help subsidize the cost of starting the third team. So I don't know why Jerry wouldn't do that, but I've not paid a lot of attention to a superhero antics. I have to pay more attention. I think my thing with the celebration afterwards is Riley was obviously not happy with him.

And they really didn't have any run-ins at the end of the race. But earlier in a race, Sam's like, I don't know why. is really mad at me or whatever. Well, Sam, when you get out into the corner and you wash a guy all the way to the wall pretty much, he's probably not going to be very happy. He's not going to be pumped. And, yeah, I mean, and honestly, he ran you really clean for how you race him earlier. So, you know, and Riley had a really good run, too.

That Xfinney race was excited. So he's won six of the last 29. That's what I saw. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's big. Did you see?

The only other one I wanted to mention was turn one pretty early. I don't know. Spire on Spire on Spire. crime. Oh yeah. I saw that. It looked like Carson got in there, got free running to Zane, Zane turned to seven. I was like, ooh, that's a tough look. Not a good shop photo. That one might get blown up, put in the shop wall. So Sam Mayer's 10th and points in Xfinity, so certainly not. Well, he had, I mean, the beginning of the year. Let me tell you something. Like, I feel bad for this kid. I don't know if he's got to go find somebody's horseshoe. Brandon Jones,

I mean, this kid can't catch him. His last three finishes are 36, 38th, and 30. And he's been so close. Out of the playoffs. And probably at the point where he's got to win now. He's got to win. Yeah, he's 16th. They only take, or 15th. They only take 12.

Just, man. I mean, he blew up sitting on the jack the other day. I mean, they dropped the jack. He took off and went to blow up. Yeah, I saw that. TJ. I don't know who the drivers were, but I did watch a little bit of a sprint car race from Ohio, maybe.

and the lap eight of the race, probably a 30, 35 lap race. Second place throws a slide job from pretty far back on the leader and just knows he's going to clobber him because they were already kind of trailsliers. And do you see this wreck? No. Oh my gosh. It's so bad. I mean, they both flip basically go out almost out of the park. Does any of you guys see it?

Yeah. Good tall. Yeah. I would say that that was pretty bad. One thing I will, do you have an idiot? Did you have an idiot? We had a new listener last week, international listener. Will Brown listened to our show, and he sent me a text about Freddie.

And he said he laughed the whole show and that he loved our show. He probably has no idea what we said. Would you like to try that accent again? He did another interview where he said, how did he sound? He said, my spotter was very southern. However, he said it. I don't think it sounded just like that, actually. I'll tell you one thing.

And it's like one other thing we have to bring up in this, in this general vicinity of this segment is, I don't think the Dolly thing is going to work if we can't do it any faster. Are you sure? Like, if that's the plan during the race, Ross would have been about 20, he'd probably been 10 laps down, I would say. So we're going to have to either get better at that or come up with something new. I think because that was a 13-minute red flag for a left rear tire. What else we have this week?

New Hampshire. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I finally get a win for DBCC picks. Oh, wow. We are.

Congratulations. Yeah. That's your second one of the year? No. It's my third. Oh, you're on a roll. It's not my first. No, I said I get to go first.

Oh, yes. You do get to go first for New Hampshire. I have no idea. I'll take. If you go to New Hampshire, you got to go to Mills Falls. That's the cutest little town. It is. He's so cute.

Good food. So cute. And Macros. I'll take old Brad. Brad Kislowski? Yeah. When do I pick? third tj you're next well looking at this list um true i'm running low man i'm gonna go to josh berry

i had too i was gonna i was gonna pick you yeah you guys are gonna get your ass kicked this week because i'm going with the bathtub man mr ryan blaney he's pretty good of those mile ovals i'll take martin you suck i I didn't know you were going to do that. Save done. This is his home track, right? I mean, I feel like he has like three home track. Dover's his home track.

This is the one he raised that a lot. Bush North. Yeah, we've all screwed up because we all needed Bell for here. I mean, yeah, I wanted to save Bell. Mother Fri-I-I wish I'd have to save Blaney now. I didn't know you was coming strong. I'll tell you. Is this race going to be any passing, do we think?

I almost took Chase Briscoe because I honestly felt like he's, he's going to have to get hot here, I think. Yeah, for sure. He's got to prove people right. You doing modified? Yep. Kobe. I always want to do a modified race there.

But you won't do a truck with Quinn. No, I'm out on truck. A modified race at New Hampshire is the best race of the weekend. It's one of the best races of the year. I told you I might be doing it. Oh, yeah. I think Andy might be going. Yeah.

You know what? It's either check or flag or God for us, man. You get your license. You get your P. Oh, yeah. I told us. Hard card is not good enough to spot a modified days? Oh, wow.

Is that still the case? Yes. $60 a team's got to pay for a cup spot or a spot for them because we don't, our hard car. Our Cup Series hard card that costs God knows how much. $60. Every time. So I spot for Tommy Baldwin's car, I don't know, three or four times a year.

He's got to pay $60 every time I do it. Wow. Because my Cup series license and hard card isn't good enough to spot for a model. You can do a future of the sport for sure. You can do a truck and exceedy car, but damn if you do a modic. $60 at a time, boys. I got Finney this week. can do you yeah yeah we're bringing

so what all's there modifies are there cups obviously there exfinity's there no truck no truck no truck so three series yeah yeah I'll tell you I heard some interesting schedule rumors this week and I'll I'll tease it this week and I'll let the people on Reddit go nuts for a week before we tell any stories

I did hear three races coming out of the playoffs or three tracks three tracks coming out of the playoffs three new ones going in obviously I'll give you two of them because they're obvious Atlanta's obviously coming out because we know that's the first race of the tournament, I think. Darlington's going back in, which makes sense the way the schedule lays out.

I think Daytona's going back to the final race. Darling's going in. The other two races that are coming out and going in are very big surprises to me. Oh, yeah. I'll let everybody, not new track. Tracks are already on the schedule, but going in. One of them that, the one that's coming out of the playoffs, I honestly can't believe. And the two that are going in are surprising to me.

So I'll let you guys debate about that for a little while before we give any more. I just pray Phoenix comes out eventually. That ain't one of them. Look at the schedule. I know they've already announced it, but I just wish we could do it. Let me see that schedule. I'll tell you if it's right. I don't think you want to see that schedule.

Okay. Oh, I've already. How many weeks off you get one? Yeah, one. I'm sure Megan is thrilled. Yeah. So we need the Olympics to be an every year sport. Yes.

That's what you're saying. Yes. Can we make the Olympics an annual? thing around here. All right. Well, for those in New Hampshire, be sure to stop by. Say hi. You're going to be there?

No, I will not be there. But stop by to you guys and say hi. Remember that one time we did that Q&A outside the tunnel? I've been trying to forget about it. The last thing they did was we're going to ask Brett some random words that didn't go well at all. What was it, Jimmy? Bang of Uie.

Oh, I wasn't there for that one. was a sprinkle. Brett thought it was something else. Oh, I was a condom. Banging Ui. Brett thought there was somebody named Ui in the crowd. And you wonder why you weren't asked back. I can't believe me to get out. I don't know why. It's weird.

All right. Well, thank you all so much for listening. We will talk to y'all after New Hampshire. Have you all next week. We all holl. See you. Check out Dirty Moe Media. Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.