Door Bumper Clear - 338 | Chicago: The Slip-n-Slide 165

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors, and Casey Boat are back in studio after a soggy race in the Windy City. Even with the wet weather, this year’s Chicago Street Race provided fans with an atmosphere that rivals anywhere else on the NASCAR Cup Series circuit. While Shane Van Gisbergen claimed the Xfinity win, he couldn’t repeat in the Cup race after wrecking out early. Plus, hear our takes on the newest NASCAR EV prototype, reaction to Bubba Wallace door-slamming race winner Alex Bowman during the cooldown lap, and Hailie Deegan announcing her departure from AM Racing. 21+ and present in North Carolina. Opt in req. Wager requirements apply. Bonuses awarded as non-withdrawable bonus bets or profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including bonus expiration. See terms and conditions at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Clear. Hey, everybody. It's T.J. Majors. Spot of the Sixth Cup of Car this weekend. I also had the 88 Xfinity car. It was an eventful weekend. It wasn't an eventful weekend. Brett Griffin, spotter for Austin Hill yesterday.

Man, we were going to have a top 15 run. And then we got punted. I know the feeling. We got punted. Speaking of punting. What's up? Freddie Crafts, Sputter for Bubba Wallace and Kyle Sieg this week. Yeah.

Just another day. Did you get punted? I did get punted. You literally that ball, Shane kicked on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, we definitely got punted. What's up, Casey? Hey, guys, Casey Boat here. And I would say we have absolutely nothing to talk about after the Chicago race.

So it might be a quick show, I would say. On to Pocono. Yeah. All right, well, I'll kick things off. Alex Bowman finally gets his win, snapping in 80 race, winless streak. That guy. Yeah, I would say how is the race, but I maybe want to steer clear of Freddie at the moment. moment. Brett, let's start with you. What y'all?

Brett, hold on. Let's start, Brett. Oh, no. Yeah. Did you make it? You survived Chicago. Did you? I got news. I got news. I don't say any holes in your shirt. He was going to be my one idiot, but, you know. Brett, enjoyed Chicago. He did. Me and Freddie were riding around with an Uber driver, leaving Riggly, and we hear these three loud bangs. And I look at the Uber driver. And I'm like, were those gunshots? He goes, man, you never know around here. Me and Freddy start laughing. But listen, I will tell you, I've been to more major sporting events than anybody. this room, A, because I'm older. But logistically, I've never been to anything like that that has to be

pulled off from the ground up and built. And I'm talking structures. I'm talking buildings. I'm talking fences. I'm talking walls, tire barriers, stages, hauler parking. Travel. From anything and everything that it took to pull that off. Like, I was there and I was looking around. I mean, I work in events and experiential marketing. So I have an idea what it takes, but I was like, holy hell, how much money did this cost? And whoever pulled this off and had an amazing team around them. And obviously, it sounds like the city is now supporting it versus where a year ago, you know, they weren't. The mayor went from making some funky comments about whether or not he was going to let us come back to showing up at the driver's meeting in a fire suit saying that NASCAR is uniting

the country, which I agree with that comment. But logistically, holy amazement. But Casey, like, doesn't get any better than that. And to think they, I mean, they did that in probably just over two weeks, I think. You know what I mean? To set all that up and disrupt the city as little as possible. The final part didn't start until like Thursday. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Like, closing the roads and stuff. But I'm just saying, like, I mean, it's just such little disruption. And then you get an Uber like me and Brett did. And you talk to the Uber drivers and you're like, man, how much does this screw you up? You know, because obviously Michigan Avenue is a big deal going down there. And they're like, really not at all. He's like they did such a good job of rerouting it.

You know, like you know, to avoid that little section for a little bit. And that's not a big deal. But yeah, I mean, and then listen, I feel so bad for Julie, her team. These guys can't catch a break. I mean, we, me, TJ did some tour bus rides in the morning. And we're looking at the weather and it's like a 10% chance all day long. Meaning you actually gave the tours or you? Yeah, we gave the tours.

Yeah. As a first time. That's the first time I ever saw the whole lap, a whole lap around the race track. Next year, if we do. it. I'll be like, this is a turn four. Right here is where Freddy got sent. That's what I mean, I was able to say that with mine. I said, this is turn six where we got punted by Eric Jones lap one last year. But no, that like I was thinking about it last night. Like what Brett said, that it almost flowed smoother than a regular race weekend.

Like it was almost easier than going to a regular track. The how we get there, we drive in. The hotels are all fairly convinced. That must be nice. Well, I mean, it's not. It could be worse. It took me three hours from the end of the race to get to the airport. It took me to get to the end. That's not the track's fault.

This is just how the teams have it set up. But it took me three hours, almost over three hours to get from the track to the airport. If it makes you feel better, I got to the airport and I waited three hours on the 48 team to get there to get home. I'll say this too before we dive in all the logistics of the show. You know, I've watched the sport. revolutionize, if you will, from being all about the at-track experience to all about TV ratings. And I feel like everything the sport does these days is all about TV ratings, with the exception of two races, the Daytona 500 and the All-Star race. When I get there, I feel like the fan

experience is at the top of their priority list. This Chicago race had the same vibe and same feeling. I had people, you know, hit me up on Twitter asking me what I thought. Obviously, they knew I was skeptical about it going into last year. And I told them, come down here, stay in this block of the vicinity of this hotel, because this is where it's all at, and you will have an amazing fan experience. We need to do that every single week because the driver intros, were they crazy? No, but the night before, that was cool as hell what they did the night before, bringing all the drivers out, you know, before the chain smokers. And when I just look at the overall scope of everything they did for the fans.

10 out of 10. And obviously it was promoted as, you know, hey, we've got some big concerts. Hey, we've got to race. Thankfully, they got to pull those things off. So 10 out of 10. More tracks need to do that. Yeah, we're making baby steps.

We got the concerts in this year. And hopefully next year we'll get the race in. You know, but I thought the race, you know, actually was, it was cool because there was different strategies. Kind of like we talked about when NASCAR, you know, I thought this was really cool of them.

They kind of took the kid gloves off and said, here you guys go. You make the call, you know, and said, you can come back down and put whatever tires on you want. You can start where you're supposed to start, but you got a pick right here. And then some guys made some decisions. I mean, nobody really knew what to do because we're all kind of learning this.

And some guys paid a bigger price than others. And the same thing happened at the end with the last, you know, stage break there. Some guys came down and put slicks on. Well, it took longer than I think. I think it definitely took longer what they wanted to for the slicks to have enough grip to overcome the rain tires, which were also wearing out at the time. But you had that mix. You had guys that were fading. You had guys that were flying.

And it made it exciting. I don't like. Yeah. When I talk about the race, I'm talking about the fact that a lot of people left. Yeah. That's my. Do you blame them? No, no, no.

No. I'm just saying that like I hate that. The track didn't get to the full fan experience. I'm sure they lost money on some of the retail and concession sales. The race was good, though. Oh, yeah. But at the end, you have a perfect scenario at the end where guys seemed like they were in a rush to get the wet, the dry tires on because we saw early in the race, the track dried right out.

Well, obviously, throughout the middle of the race, you had much more rain than you had earlier. So I think people saw, once they saw like a little dry patch, they were like, oh, God, this thing's going to dry right out. We better get on these dries. It didn't do that. And it didn't do it the second time. And then you had, I still think. if the execution is properly done,

the dry tires win the race. Christopher Bell should have won the race, I think he's going by two guys, and I think he's going to put himself in position before he gets wrecked. I think Tyler runs Bowman down at the end. Now, I don't know if he can pass him because he's going to have to get offline

where the track was still pretty damp. I think you just get offline and you take what you need. Yeah, I mean, he could be more aggressive. And I mean, you know, it's, but I think, but the Bowman, the only shot he had was to keep them wets on, and that's what prevailed and win him in the race. And that's like the end of the race strategy.

If we don't get one of them cautions, I mean, we probably finish fourth, fourth, fifth, something like that. Bowman wins still. You got Joey Han probably finished the second in the race because we were on that strategy of, okay, we're keeping the wets on no matter what. We're going to run a timed race here. Hopefully there's some wrecks or, you know,

that slow it down enough to, or we get away far enough where they can't catch us. And it was cool seeing those strategies play out. I'd rather play offense, were we were going to finish 11th and in turn 11 we got punted and which took us cost us seven spots so but that's just I guess it's part of it you know and and listen kudos to NASCAR that's the first time I mean I know we've had races where we're getting close to darkness and then they say yeah hey there's 10 to go or you know this was I mean it's the first stage

and they said cut off time is 820 and then with I don't even know it's like an hour less left. They replaced the lap counter on the scoreboard with a timer. And I don't ever remember that happening. And you knew exactly how much time was left. Now, there was some confusion. about the wording of the rule. The way the world, the rule rule, tell us about that. Can you tell I got home at three o'clock in the morning? The rule was written that as time expires, I got it right. Gluck had the actual. Essentially, at time expires, you get two to go. You get the white the second time. The next flag ends the race.

But it was very confusing when the tower was saying there's 10 minutes left in the race. I'm like, no, there's not. There's 10 minutes and two laps. Unless we get a call. But the tower also, like a lot of the people on our stand, I don't know about your stand, were under the impression that when the clock ran out, we were coming to the white. And the tower even, as Bowman, the clock runs out, Bowman's probably, he's in that loop. He's probably getting up into 10.11.

Yeah. And the tower starts coming to the white. A white flag. Maybe not. And then as Bowman goes by, they're like, okay, now he's coming to the white flag. And you're like, okay, well, which, because I'm telling my guy, I'm like, I think we're coming to the white now. Oh, maybe not. There's no white.

Keep digging for two more laps. But, yeah, I mean, all in all, it's obviously enough. I think he dug for two and a half. You know, all in all, it was, I thought, a good product on the track. You know, a lot of, like DJ said, a lot of different very different. differing strategies and just a lot going on. It was exciting for the fans to watch. Three-year deal initially signed after the first year.

Again, the mayor alluded to. He didn't know if he would have us back. Obviously, he did. I can't see us not going back there for a third year. The atmosphere is incredible. Like, it's just there's so much to do the convenience of everything. Like we were, and I would have been a little worried about the, the, like Freddie said, the Uber guy.

Like there's a thousand Uber's maybe more. And to not inconvenience them guys and have that set up there. And the access around the track, you know, where the fans and we look around. I mean, there were just fans walking around everywhere. Like kind of like a Coda, but you can't really walk around Coda because it's like eight miles long.

But here, I mean, turn one and turn six about hit each other. And the fans, man, they were the scenery is incredible they're just out kind of going through a stroll in the park but they're a racetrack now and talking to a couple locals under the you know the delays red flags you know they were they came the first year and they're back this year and they're like man this is there's even better now so and we did that bus tour and the one the one group said they brought friends back this year they came last year and they enjoyed it so much they brought friends back

this year and did a bus tour so i think when nascar opens the gates at every track they make money. I think they're not making money there. Well, I don't see how they would be making money unless the city of Chicago were paying them a $5 or $6 million check to roll into town. And I think it may even be the opposite. Where I'm going with this is, you know, we talk about wanting to diversify the fan base, whether that be age, race, religion, whatever. In a city like Chicago, you can do that.

Yeah. If we're racing in the middle of nowhere in Brooklyn, Michigan, it ain't going to happen. I thought that Gluck made a great point last night on the tear down. that, you know, if you told me we're not going back to the Coliseum for a third year, I'd be like, thank God. You know, I'm good with that. If you told me that we're not going back to Chicago for a third year, I'd be like, we are royally screwing up, you know, and that's kind of the, they were kind of built in

the same mold of trying to draw in new fans and, you know, a diverse crowd. And, you know, it seemed like the Coliseum, I thought we had a pretty good year the first year. And then it kind of tailed off where I thought this year was just as big as last year. Obviously, weather-related. We'll see what next year does. But I think next year is going to be the same thing. As long as you bring back the same kind of music festival atmosphere to it. I mean, you had big names there all day yesterday.

You know, Saturday night, you know, there was a lot to do, a lot to see. I mean, some of them, we're driving around the track on the tour bus. And, you know, that picture down Lakeshore Drive of these cars hauling ass with the lake in the background. It's unbelievable. Some of the shots of these guys like cresting the little hills coming in like turn 7 or turn 11 or turn 12, I should say. I mean, just unbelievable views. And like you said, just the atmosphere alone was well worth us going back, you know, maybe numerous times. For sure.

And I would say broadcast-wise, I think for as many aspects of that track that there are, they did a great job covering as much as they possibly could. Even the aerial coverage of it was awesome. So I feel like by not being able to be there, I didn't miss much from the race. You saw more than I did. I could promise you. I could see my car for eight seconds a lap. How many?

And part of it is they're going so damn fast. I saw the second half of the carousel, 10-11, and when they shot back toward turn 12, they had put up banners or whatever, tarps, and you couldn't see that straightaway at all. How many spotters did you guys have? We had four on our team. Some guys I think we're trying to have five,

but honestly, I hate to say this, you could really do it with one. You know, like just figure out the best place to put the main spotter, let them have one spotter. But the thing about NASCAR, that's cool, is NASCAR makes us have one spotter in a designated area, and then the teams, it's up to the teams to do the rest.

So the teams are having to invest in where are you going to put all these other guys? Yeah, I mean, it's basically, I mean, we were one of the teams that had five guys. What was the biggest contribution you made as a spotter yesterday? Not much. Me either, bro. Just turn one, you know, turn one and turn six. And that really couldn't see anything in turn six. Thankfully, no wrecks happened by me.

A couple checkups, especially when we would restart on wets. Obviously, you can get wrecked with three and you get wrecked with five, so it don't matter. Yeah, it's just, it's like the spotters, each spotter, it's one thing, like Waukins Glen, we can see, you know, turn one and then the last two or three turns. And then, you know, wherever else we go, we see a good portion of the racetrack. Here, every spotter's got like one turn. You know, there's a couple that can like, I can kind of see you into two and maybe a little in the seven or, you know, it's just, I mean, it's not, it's just not a track built for, you know,

that's not what it's built for. It's a street course. So, and honestly, for, you know, the main stand, you can probably, I mean, you've got two breaking zones, which is probably why it's the best place. Yeah. And where we are, first and foremost, our job has always been safety. And that's all, really, these spotters are doing at these places is, worried about race. I've got a car in the wall over here or, you know, some of them miss them in, in Xfinity practice. I wish, I wish, I wish A, that y'all had been on a radio because Jesse Love was spotting for us. I was going to ask you. And B, there was a text thread between me and Jesse.

You broke his heart before the race ever started. Why? What happened? Because you wouldn't let him go stand next to his friend. He texts me going, can I spot where Conner Zilich is at? Because, like, he's my buddy. And I, you know, I miss him. And I'm like, no, fuck off.

This is my area. You're not coming to spot in my area because you miss Conor Zillich. Where is he out on the bus? I put him in turn two is where he decided to go. but Jesse was like man how do I how do I sound you know these kids want instant gratification I'm like you sound like he's like what because he his radio had a delay in it so he would key up and talk and then he was hearing his feedback in both ears so then he started talking like this so then I texted him I was like man you know you know now he sound worse so he got a complex

over how he sounded so the first thing he happens we get on the bus last night and he's like man what do I got to do to sound better turn that radio on I did I did it a test with him. Not working with Brett. Like one of the newer radios that already has. And I did a test with it. And Bubba's like, are you all right? I go, yeah.

Why? He goes, well, you sound like you're having a stroke or you're drunker than you normally are. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, because what happens is the feedback is. It slows your brain now. So then it slows you. And you're trying to match your voice.

So then you're going, like Brett said, you are talking like this. You are clear out here behind the nine. And you're like, what the hell is wrong with it? It was fun. Is that what happened in the four? All right, baby. All clear. Send it in there.

48th there. I genuinely appreciate him staying after the race to, you know, because obviously he raced a day before. I had a great run. Yeah. May or may not have jumped to restart on his teammate, Austin Hill. And he stuck around and everything was going smooth. And then he waited on a bus four hours.

And I was like, yeah, he's probably not going to second spotter again. I don't know. He probably liked it. I mean, Jesse, first of all, don't even worry what you. you sound like your driver. I wouldn't think you need to worry about what spot. It's great for, I told him it's a good thing you're good at driving because you suck at spot in which I was joking with it.

But I said, do you want to help me at Indy? Because I think I may be in a scenario where I spot at Indy. And he's like, man, I'm going to have to train. Like, I'm not ready for this. So I think all drivers should have to spot. Don't scan yourself off that rate and you're going to be fine. Don't listen to yourself. Yeah.

All right. Well, a few other surprises. I mean, looking at that exfinity race, SVG Larson battle. how I mean how do you even describe that is that considered one of the best expinity segments I describe it as SVG playing with one of the greatest drivers in the world because I think SVG could have done just about anything he wanted in that race it looks like he just followed Larson around stayed on his bumper for five laps he was making him overdrive the corners on purpose like you was just toying with him

Larson obviously is no lack of talent. And you watch, you watch SVG is in car. And he's missing like every single corner. You know, you know, Shane's back there probably just smiling a little waiting. You know what I mean? But really fun to watch. We were riding forth, I think, at that point. And I was working with Connor Mossack.

And he, um, speaking on harpooning people. Oh, we didn't harpooning anybody. Just, just inside, you can't make the corner where there's a car there. But, um, we shouldn't have been there. But anyway. Wow, TJ just admitted his guy. Must not be his section. No, in his section.

He would have totally. No, it was turn one. That's totally my section. But yeah. We were, man, we were just, everyone's watching it. You're just waiting for, like, what were you at? Did you have any video feed or anything? No.

So in order to get video feed, you had to lean way over and look to your right. And Glenn McAllen would do it simultaneously. So I couldn't see nothing. between that. Oh, you're not seeing around Larry. We call him Larry, by the way. If you were... Larry.

Larry. I couldn't see anything. Thanks to him. I couldn't see the video board because of him. And thanks to Vince, who's been around for 100 years, I couldn't see because of his shoulder and his arm and holding his wrist out. I keep slapping him in the arm. You could have put a projector on the back of Glenn and probably watched.

Yeah. It'd be a billboard leading your way. Anyway, no, I didn't get to see as much of the race as you two did. It was, we're watching it. And you're like, every corner you're like, okay, they're getting ready to make contact or something here, but that was great. I watched Exfittany race on TV, and it was one of the best Xfinity races

in the history of America, and that is saying a lot because I'm a huge Xfinity. I'm a huge Xfinity fan. The front half of the field. The Xfinity. Yeah, well, I can say the end of the race was atrocious. Like, I mean, the racing

itself, like the leaders up front, like, I think that was the only time SVG was really challenged all day was when they, you know, they got off sequence a little bit with some of the guys that were able to the truth that got. The second half of the race was half caution. It was like 17 to 16 green flaglapse versus yellow flaglaps. Yeah.

And that made a lot of these guys who took a risk on, you know, pinning earlier for fuel have enough to get to get there. So like Jesse and them had a little bit older tire. So now this was the time where SVG was challenged and he had to get through there. And you're passing good guys. You're passing, you know, Jesse. Ty Gibbs was up in there. I think you guys were up in there.

Like there was a bunch of good cars. The 17. team and the 88 were on the same strategy. And that was our plan, which is to follow those two guys because they were, you know, you would think they're going to duke it out at the end, too. If everyone gets through there like they're supposed to, they're going to be fighting for the win at the end. But caution slowed that down.

Didn't really get a chance to play out like that. But that's, that's street court racing, though. And, you know, what I, what's funny about this exfini race at Chicago is you look at the entry list and the bottom, what, Freddie, maybe seven, eight guys. five, seven guys, you don't, like, this is their first race. And, man, what a challenging place to go to with a car. Exfitting cars are not easy to drive. No.

So a challenging car, a lot of inexperienced drivers on a street course. On the most unforgiving track in that car history. There's no room for air. You look at, and this is a perfect example of, like, Kyle Sieg will be the first one to tell you that he is not a road race. You know what I mean? I'm glad he points that out. He's trying to get better at it. And we luckily got in the race.

We blew a motor in practice and just got the last spot on the race. You missed a shift. So I think he did. But I never confirmed that. So it might be not. But we literally were pretty much the last car in line for majority of the race. 38 cars start Xfinity, right? So we're the last car in line for a lot of the race.

And he's just learning, you know, just trying to stay out of trouble. We'll get to the end of this thing. one time we cycle through with some pitch strategy get up front that's that big stack up in 11 where we just got run over from behind so now we're back to the last car again we're just riding around and we end up 22nd and that's i mean you beat 16 guys by just surviving just being there at the end of the race so a lot to be learned from that for especially some of these young guys like just if you just get through the race you're going to have a good day yeah just keep it between the walls guess what we don't have to worry about there track limits no no track limits there

There's a limit. Well, there is a limit. And there's walls to permit you from- Larson. Larson found the limit in the sixth the one time, I believe. What thing. Priest found the limit and Rick and bounced off of it. Did he? Oh, yeah, you didn't see.

He slid in the six and he hit a square or so square, pushing right back and he kept going. I know we got to get the spot-out, spot off. But one thing I did want to talk about, and I know this comes up all the time and we beat it to death. But, you know, the only thing that I might adjust at that place is the 4 o'clock local start. just because you put yourself in such a box of, you know, I mean, if you look at that race,

if it runs perfect, you know, if there's no stage breaks, it's just under two hours, just in lap time. You know, now, so now you back yourself up to about 6 o'clock, a little after 6. If you add to two stage breaks, you're after 6.30. So now any delay whatsoever is going to put you up against a wall of where you only got about 45 minutes to an hour left to race. You know, and it was pretty apparent to me that, I mean, it was still the first stage when I'm like, we're not going to be able to run this whole thing because obviously the pace slows down a lot when you're on the wet tires and it's raining in the beginning of the race. It's just, you know, I feel, I don't know, you know, we always hear about you got to get closer to the start time. I mean, closer to prime time for the start and it helps the ratings. Last year, ratings were great. But I mean, I feel like you got to, and we'll see this again probably. I don't know what indie start time is.

Indie's a problem usually. Pocono's a problem. so I don't know. I just, I don't know what the remedy is, but these late start times move up. You start the race earlier. Like, it's not that hard. I don't understand how anybody can be on the other side of this

at a major sporting event where if you care about the fan experience, you want to get the whole race in. I don't understand how anybody can say a four o'clock start local in the summer at a track with no lights around the Great Lakes, by the way, which is just like, that was the other thing. People were like, oh, there's a pop-up shower. How many hours before the race did I ask you if you had a rain jacket? It was probably two hours.

I knew it was going to rain at 4 o'clock, right? We have modeling. I don't know if you guys know this. There's apps for that. But, I mean, I found out that morning it's probably going to rain around and start the race. And I was like, well, the forecast I saw was 80 in no rain, so I'm not prepared for this. Fortunately, they had an umbrella. But how you can say, don't start the races earlier, it baffles me.

Earlier this morning, I know last week, Joe Lugano replaced Haley for the Chicago race. and earlier this morning, Haley announced that her and the team have parted ways. What can you share about that one? I mean, you saw this coming last week. When they put Lugano in, there was rumors that Haley removed AM racing from all her Twitter bios and whatever other bios.

She, Instagram, social bios. We talked about it last week. This team was underperforming. Now, what was the reasoning? Who knows? They've made a crew chief change this year, I believe. Now they're making a driver change. this year. Who knows if this was Haley's decision to leave. If it was their decision to replace Haley,

it seems to both their statements say parting ways. So there's no clear cut decision there. Listen, Joey, Joey gets in the thing this weekend and didn't exactly like the world on fire. I mean, he's pretty good at what he does. He ran a smart race. Yeah. He finished well, but he's supposed to. Yeah. You know, like I said, you know, if you're just riding around, but there's good people over there. When I saw this deal pop up in, in the off season. I was hoping it was in addition to Brett Moffitt because I think something like that

would have helped Haley a great deal because you have a benchmark. You know, you have, like we've talked about this on here to death. Like, you need that guy that you can, you can't build a program around an inexperienced driver. You know, you don't know if your cars have speed

if your driver doesn't have any experience at the tracks you're going to. So if, obviously money is a big factor in this, but if there was a way to have Brett and Haley there. I think it would have only benefited Haley. But unfortunately, it wasn't the case. And then they struggled all year long, really.

And now they're going to have to go and take a route of putting drivers in here to try to evaluate where their programs really at. And there's good people over there. Like I said, and hopefully they get it sorted out. Hopefully Haley lands on her feet somewhere. I'm sure she will. She's a talented race car driver. This is not on Haley either. We talked about it.

She's won races in the regional series. So, you know, it's just a weird, weird combination of bad time, it seems like. The fans need to understand one more thing, and that is, in that back half of the field, as T.J. alluded to earlier, it can get pretty ugly, pretty early. And when Joy Ligano gets in that car, that back half of that field, they're not going to race him the way they're going to race her. Oh, 100%. No, they're not going to, yeah, I can, that's a good point. I haven't even thought about that. Yeah, absolutely.

And you saw it in the, thank you. You see it in the truck series, too, when, like, they just, I feel like they're not going to dive. bomb Joey, you know, but if there's a chance to get a foot there, they're going to do it when it's Haley in the car. So definitely, Joey is obviously a very experienced race car driver. And he knows how to drive right under the limit of the car where he just, and I don't think Joey went into that racing and he was going to lead every lap, but he wanted to get some track time and a solid finish. And I think he did what he accomplished there, what he was going for. so. Well, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll continue chatting Chicago Street Race during spot on, spot off.

Spot on spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? First topic, Chase Briscoe taking out race favorite SVG early on and ending SVG's chant. to repeat in my DBC pick. Spot on, spot off, Brett. Oh, man, I thought you had a winner. I mean, I pick Larson, he wrecks out the last time. Pick SVG, he wrecks out. So I'm just cursed at this point.

It's fine. He was the favorite to win the Xfinity race and he won it. He was the favorite to win the cup race and it certainly looked like he was going to be a contention. Man, here's my favorite part about this whole SVG thing. Like, I feel like we had, you know, stories and people transcend our sport, you know, whether that be something that Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt did back in the day, or whether we had a Ricky Carmichael or Travis Pistrana coming through here, even at Danica Patrick,

or we have a Rothschstein do a hellmellon move. Like those kind of things really just get a lot of media attention. But I feel like our fans in general right now are just really gravitating toward SVG from New Zealand who race in Australia, and they're pulling for this guy. And he's 35 years old. He's not showing up as a 20-year-old with the pressure and the weight of the world to be successful. He's already successful. He's already rich.

He's already got a hot mate, right? He's already checked all the boxes. He's here. He's having fun. This guy gets wrecked out of the race by Briscoe bomb, and he's smiling in his interview and still looks like he's having fun. So our fans are gravitating toward this guy, and it's for all the right reasons.

His racecraft at road courses is absolutely amazing, and I'll tell you one quick story. I had the privilege of being in the hauler when him and Will Brown were talking at Sonoma, and they were talking about how we race in NASCAR versus how they race at home. And everything that Will Brown was asking about from a procedural standpoint about positioning his car, contacting another car. The SVG's answer was, you can't do that at home, but you can do that here. And it's really cool to see him and Parker Clingerman.

Who? Was it in there again? Sorry, not Parker Clingerman. Lande Castle pointed out after the race, like you see him come over here. and the crossovers that he was making in the Xfinity race, whether he was toying with him or not, you couldn't have put a sheet of paper between their bumpers when he was making those moves. So I respect what he's been able to do on Oval's because he hadn't gone out there, done anything dumb. He's trying to run all the laps.

He's trying to get better. He's getting ready to go to all these tracks for a second time. But I'm going to tell you what you don't do if you're Chase Briscoe. Rack a guy that's on the up-and-coming most popular driver list because this guy is getting a massive fan base here in America. He took the lead from Jesse in the Xenity race. The front stretch grandstands, the sweets we were in erupted. I mean, I was like, I mean, wow. You know what I mean?

And he comes down. He's coming down the front stretch to take the checker. And the crowd goes wild as well. I know T.J. heard that. We definitely heard that. I think Brett is on Man Crush Monday. He's got a new man crush. So I would be on the same spotter stand with him.

It started his second spotters. It started in Sonoma. Chase Briscoe's wrecking a mile before he gets there. Yeah. His car literally pointed a wrong way. Let's talk about that for a second. Like, what have we heard about these rain tires lately? We don't really race in the rain, which we ran the rain in the roval.

Like I remember that race like it was yesterday. I bet you did. But we don't race in the rain. You know, we normally, double file starts. I told Bubba we're choosing. He's like, what do you mean we're choosing? This is not going to be a single file. start it's pouring out here. No, no, we're doing double file. You know, there's spray everywhere.

You know, that's what the lap. We go green. We get cleaned out by Bowman. Briscoe cleans out SVG. You just took out three really fat top 10 cars all day in like an experiment. You know what I mean? Like I don't understand why we were doing that. You know, I get it. You know, we're up against time crunch. We're up. We're trying to get this out here. But it's like we just, you know, you know what? Let's wing it for a lap and see what happens. We destroyed three of them. We've been. better not do that. Bring him down pit road and well they didn't park them. Y'all did. Well, there was a reason. Guys couldn't see.

You know, Chase said he just couldn't see. And when he realized where he was at, where he finally could see, he said, holy shit, I'm way past my marker, which was obvious. I don't know, though. I saw the in-car of it. And he was off-centered from another car in front of him. I just, I think Chase was trying to make a pass on the car in front of him and just got in there a little bit deep and a little more than a little bit, I think. A little bit.

And once you get to that point, I think sometimes it seems like when these guys missed their breaking points, they don't just keep slowing down and have that little bit of a, they just like, I mean, it's like they pick up speed and try to find a gap and wrecking it. Once it was faced the wrong way, he was definitely going faster. What did you guys think about the live pit stops on the wet pit road and how the exit happened? So I didn't know we could do that. I thought that was like one of the big things we've not been doing. This is just what we're talking about.

I was talking about this last night also on just clarity. Like you say we don't, you know, where people like, well, let's go racing back in the rain, you know, at Sonoma at New Hampshire. And they're like, no, we don't race in the rain. These are damp weather tires or not rain tires. Now we've raced in the rain at road courses before. So it's a little bit different. But, you know, we couldn't have our choice of tires because we couldn't pit on live.

You know, we couldn't have live pit stops on pit road. So we're rolling around there. I don't remember if it was a caution or a stage break. And I'm like, this is going to be a competitive pit stop. And they're like, oh, yeah. And I'm like, what, the pit road is soaked. And not to mention, these are some of the tightest boxes that we go to all year. But didn't you complain on this show that they should let them choose tires and they should let them do competitive pit stops?

And now they're trying it, right? Isn't that what you wanted? Yes. But why didn't we do it the last time? This is my point. We need consistency. We need to do the same things over and over again. It's a safety problem.

You know, it's a safety issue. If you have guys sliding around, thank God, nobody got hurt yesterday. Everybody kind of knew they had to tiptoe into their box because it was so wet. I'm fine with it moving forward. But if we go somewhere, where we go next with the rain tires, you know, it better be the same scenario. If not, then what are we doing? So how do you try it for the first time?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying is you can't. Hey, guys, we're having a pit. They listen to your feedback. I don't know why. If you have to try it at some point. Yeah, they did. I'm fine with it. Moving forward, it better be the same is what I'm saying.

Well, if you said that it might have failed, then maybe not. I just want to say moving forward. I'm okay with it. I don't know if the tire changers are. I'm standing on top of a roof with an umbrella, so I'm good with it. But I just want to see pit road speed go from 45 miles an hour or whatever it was down to like 15. Like, I want to see it significantly reduced because I don't want to see. They should at least drop 10.

I don't want to see a pit crew member get hit because we're doing something, you know, experimental in the middle of a major cup. major cup race out there. But when they were trying to exit pit road, the cars couldn't exit. Yeah, they had it. We had it stopped. We had it blocked off. What was it blocked off with? Cleanup trucks.

It looked like to me anyway. I could, they were kind of around the corner where I couldn't see them, but I knew they had just, we were coming down pit road and they were like blowing off or, I don't care of it was tundrous or. Yeah. And they were blowing off the outside like the ins or the pit wall, basically. So if you're pitting, there's two things that need to be clear. pit entry

yeah pit exit yeah yeah I mean I'm fine you gotta try at some point just go with it I mean everyone's in the same boat

so I do think the pit road speed limit you know if it is wet it probably could be adjusted a little bit and maybe you know maybe we have a different different light system for that but

like even if the pace car leads them down pit road and then this scenario I would be fine with that If he's the only guy that says, all right, it's 25. If I stay out, he does it. Because they have the ability, absolutely.

You get a free lap. But there are ways to do this and do it, I think, safer. And also, we were all surprised. Like, was it talked about the driver's meeting of, hey, guys, don't be surprised if we get a wet pit road and we go live pit stops. Like, most people are aware of what the rules are. That is the issue of don't tell me one week you can't do it. And then we just open up pit road and we're doing it. You know what I mean?

Like that's the surprise. Here we go. You know, this is going to, we're going to try this now. I think everybody was prepared for it. Yeah. Well, listen, I'm good with it, obviously, but it's just like, if we go somewhere in a couple weeks and it rains, don't say we can't have our options of tires. And we just did everything perfect here. You know, we got the option of whatever tire you wanted to put on.

And now we've made wet pit stops. So this should be the case moving forward everywhere we go. Watkins lens coming soon. Speaking of surprises, spot on, spot off. Bubba Wallace putting race winner, Alex, Bowman in the wall on the cool down lap. Bubbo was upset about Bowman spitting him earlier in the race during wet conditions. This isn't a surprise.

Freddie. Sarcasm. Listen, I agree with Alex Bowman. It shouldn't be a penalty. Listen, it's dumb. It shouldn't happen. It should never, you can't, cannot run into people under caution, cannot run under people under yellow after the race is over, cool down laps especially, because, you

The other people are unbuckling. But unfortunately for the people that would like to throw a bubble out of the sport forever and ever and ever for this, it happens every week. I think. If it doesn't, if it maybe it's not every week, it's damn near every week. Yeah, somebody. Somebody, yeah. It happened twice yesterday. One of them for some reason didn't make it on television quite as much as the other one.

I don't know why, but there's video out there of it now. Chase Elliott drives up indoors Daniel Suarez after the yellow flag. And I didn't see anybody crying for his immediate expulsion from the sports. Well, Daniel spun him out. No, that's what it is. Well, I really have it. You know, it's just, listen, I'm not condoning it. It's stupid.

And if there is a penalty, there's precedent from, I think I looked it up. What was it 18 years ago? I think Edwards got fined for door slamming Dale after the race when Dale had his arm out the window. So maybe if there's a fine, but I can't see it being a. I don't know, though. I don't think that was after the race, though. No, it was just darn yellow. No, he may come down pit road.

And then he was coming off pit road and just, you know, I think that's, and he came from an angle. They look like it could hurt him. He almost T-boned him. Yeah. You know, and that's not, that's different than, you know, to me, then Bubba going up and, you know, these cars are tanks, first of all. And I, and I know Bubba would not be doing it if he thought that there was any, you know, worry about Alex getting hurt. But not, that doesn't say it should be done still. but these guys do this all the time after race.

Somebody catches up to somebody. What's the difference between Bubba, doring Alex a little bit, then somebody run up and bump in the back. Congratulations. Being more subtle, maybe. Here's what I think gets him in trouble is the left side of Alex's car

as it hit the wall, kind of went up in the air, and it makes it look violent. I don't know if it was violent. I wasn't in Alex Bowman's car. Alex Bowman alluded to the fact that he deserved it. It was violent. He would have said he should get fired.

If I were officiating this particular scenario, I would dive into all the things that make a decision. Based on what I saw, it's not penalty worthy. Based on what I saw Chase Elliott do, it's not penalty worthy. However, the precedent around here is there are no precedence. We don't want to what they're going to do. Here's where it's done on Bubba's part is he's still in a position to point his way in. He's only like 45 points behind Busher.

And that's the guy he's racing for the last spot of guys that are in on points. Now, if somebody else goes out, wins race, it ain't going to matter. But if they give him a points penalty and he's 75, 85, 95, 100 points behind him, oh, man, he's getting in a must-win territory and not many races left. So I think that's where it was dumb on Bubba's part. He wasn't thinking about the big picture. And the worst-case scenario happened. The guy who wrecked him, won the race, and a guy who he was ultimately kind of racing at points won the race.

And it changes everything. There's more to it than just this. And I saw people like, oh, they set the president last week. Carson Hosevar got the, I'm like, that is way different. Completely different. I mean, Hosefbar turned somebody in front of the half the field coming. NASCAR posted the like in car and it does not look nearly as dangerous. He didn't mean to turn it.

Listen, I am not saying what Bubba did was right by any means. So I don't want to hear any of that. But like, you know, it's if it's, it's, it's just happy. every week, almost every week. I can imagine if you went through and looked at every in-car camera after the race is over, you'll find an instance where somebody is running into the side of you. The winners do this. My buddies do this to congratulate each other when they win. This is why Clint Boyer punched Ryan Newman four thousand times in eight seconds because he wrecked him after the race was over. Yeah, this is what I started with, I remember Brad? Remember that fight with Brad and I think Kenseth?

Didn't that start with them to run into each other after the race was over? I think so. Yeah. If you're going to, you know, throw a shade on Bobby, you need to go. look at the other end car camera after the race and make it because there is absolutely no difference other than one car brushes the wall and one car doesn't spot on spot off austin dylan says there are big changes coming to rCR at the end of the year both he and kyle bush are committed to the process of turning the organizations on track performance around tj um i'm spot on if they've got a plan i mean they need to do something and for austin to come out and say this, I think speaks pretty highly because he doesn't normally make comments like this,

does he? No. I mean, it seems to me like he's teasing a big hire. I think the hire's already been made. Honestly, I think there's, and I don't think it's the one you're thinking about or we talked about the other week. But like, I mean, listen, Andy Petrie retired, retired, middle of the year, which tells you that they're going a different direction. Keith Rodden has stepped up into the roll and the cars have had more speed the last few weeks. They just haven't got the finishes. I mean, we're a prime freaking example of it yesterday. But, you know, there are bigger changes coming above those positions as well. I can see, you know, I can't allude to everything that I know, but there's changes coming and I think they already know what they are and who those people are.

Yeah, for sure. And I, you know, I think that there's, there's obviously big names floating around that people are going to gravitate towards here. But it really doesn't matter who it is. If you're RCR fan, you just want to see the performance pick up, you know. And it's interesting to me to hear Austin say, you know, he's got two years left on his deal. There's a lot of rumors about Austin maybe stepping out of the out of the seat to go and run that place because, you know, of this, the downward trend they've kind of been on the last year or so, whatever it is. But, you know, to hear this from Austin, like TJ said, somebody that's not really vocal in the media a lot, hopefully gives you a glimmer of hope, you know, of, you know, okay, maybe we're turning a question.

corner. If you can get Kyle Busch to buy back in, that's a big step right there because, like we said on here a million times, he's one of the most talented race car drivers on a planet. So hopefully for RCR, they're going to pick up speed. And, you know, it's just, it's just interesting to hear some of the names out there. And maybe, maybe it's one, maybe you think one's very obvious, but it's not that one, you know. I'll tell you this story real quick. And I've been around Austin for, man, I don't even know how long decades it feels like. And I know where he's at in the points. We'll see like 30 seconds. Like it's bad.

And I know how moody these race cars drivers are, especially when they're on their way to the racetrack and when they're at the racetrack. Now, away from the track, they can kind of let it go for a minute, maybe enjoy a dinner, but these guys carry the pressure and the weight of the sport with them at all the time. I got on the bus going from the airport to the hotel in Chicago when we landed, and I was two rows behind Austin Dillon. And I didn't say hello to him because I didn't know what kind of mood he would be in. and we were about halfway there and he saw me and he's, hey, Brett, how you been? And so we engaged in a conversation and just literally a very nice down-to-earth guy. And when you, when you, you know, everybody wants to get on and bash him and everybody wants to bash, you know, whoever for having a bad day.

Like most of these dudes are normal dudes and Austin Dillon in that scenario, he didn't have to be nice to me. And I literally was guarded against promoting a conversation because I didn't want to be like, hey, Brett, what's up? And I'd be like, well, he's in a bad mood. Like, now I'm rub wrong about him. But, you know, people don't, people don't realize what. it takes in this sport.

I mean, TJ and Freddie, you're both very fortunate because you've got to live it so close with the race car driver and watch their ups, their downs, their moods. Saying we're spoiled? We're spoiled, 100% of spoiled. But when they retire, like Martin Treyx Jr. has no idea what he's about to go through. And I watched it, you know, with very close friends of mine. Like the way to the world gets taken off these guys.

And people are like, oh, they're race car drivers. They got it made. Yeah, they have a great job. Yeah, they make a lot of money. Yeah, they get hot chicks, you know, hot girlfriends. wives. I have beautiful babies and do all these things. People don't, man, this is a ton of pressure. A ton of pressure.

I don't even know what to say about it. I said yesterday in front of a group of spotters, Casey, that in my next life, I want to come back as a driver's wife or girlfriend because that's the best gig in the world. With a hot mate. Yes, that's the best gig in the world. You get to fly around, stale motor homes, helicopters, concerts. Okay. Let's, anybody else have a comment on this?

on this topic before we move on. Give me a better gig. Can somebody please Photoshop pictures of Brett as a girl? Preferably with SVG. On it. Yeah, please. With a hot mate.

Oh, like Roseanne Barr. All right. Brett on SVGs are somewhere. See, what's a better gig than being his girlfriend or wife right now? Are you kidding me? I'm signing up right now. Mine. I mean.

He has a really cute dog too. I have no comment on that one. I don't think his dog is cute His dog's like eight feet tall I don't know if you can call it eight feet tall dog. We'd have a much smaller dog I don't like big things. We know.

Clearly. Y'all saw cookies. She's short. Moving on. John Proops, NASCAR's SVP and chief racing development officers said if NASCAR pursues electric racing

they could reinvent the van experience by possibly adding a DJ to races. What? Spot on, spot off, Freddie. That's your next gig, Brett. I need the full context of this quote because... Surely there's something missing.

Because, listen, this is not the way to promote... Like, if you want to get our fan base excited about this electric car coming, I don't know... This isn't it. But I don't know if this is for... I don't know if this is directly for the current, you know, fan base. Like is it? Well, I mean, listen, you can all fans there, you could put anything going anyway. You put anything on the racetrack. People are going to tell you it's somebody somewhere is going

love it. I mean, there's people that tell you still that Formula One's good racing. What? Um, but I mean, come out here and talk about the, like these cars, listen, am I a huge fan of electric racing, but like you just hear tires screeching as you go around the track? Probably not. But let me tell you what they're going to do. And I learned this out the hard way when I, got in TJ's Tesla. These cars are going to haul ass. Like, you know what I mean? Like Reagan wrecked this thing wherever he wrecked it. I don't know. LA Coliseum. Because it was hauling ass. You know, the take, what do they go zero to 60 and I don't know, 0.3 seconds? You know what I mean? It's, it's like a damn light switch. I mean, we heard numbers over, you know, what are people

been asking for in the cup car? Over a thousand horse power? Well, guess what this thing? It's not horsepower, but whatever it is. A life size RC car. Yeah. So I mean, Katie, like I'm sure he did. And this is just a quote that we got pulled from it. But like this, if this is the quote that I end up on the article that I read, nobody's going to be excited about the fact that we're going to go listen to a DJ at the race today. I don't think it was more of an example, but I understand your point. You imagine like five years from now, Brett be like, he'd be spotting for Shane in that series. Hey, mate, your battery's low.

Pit for battery. That would be the thing. Those are the questions I would have about this. And we talk about cost and everything else. Like how long? Here's my question. Who's going to pay for this? Who is going to pay for this?

Who is going to pay to put a full field of electric cars out there? What sponsor, what manufacturer, like if I look at this build, Elon? If I look at this build and I say, what gets me excited about this electric car build, it would literally be if it were a Tesla. And it would be if Elon were there talking about the technology and how he incorporates it into, you know, his streetcar that TJ drives. And like, I can't get excited about this. I literally don't care.

It's a waste of time to me. And whatever money, I mean, what do you think they've spent on this thing? I would rather see that money go to Chicago Street Race or fan experiences or whatever. I just, I can't get excited about this because flat out electric cars aren't a thing in my life. Like the way that I live my life and the driving that I do and it doesn't work. Sorry. On that topic, Adam Stern tweeted earlier that NASCAR is in advance talks to invest in. in Nitro Cross, a move that would allow NASCAR to play a role in an EV racing series,

but without it being one of its main national circuits, meaning have some sort of involvement help improve that idea of racing without spending as much money as they would in the national tax. I don't, this is all, I see this series being something like that. It's like the other, the formula E. Yeah, E series they have. You don't see a lot about it, but once in a while you see a driver. that used to be a Formula One driver

might go down there and run some. And I can see that happening here. You might have somebody that you just haven't seen a lot lately that hop in there and have five, six races a year somewhere. But this isn't, and honestly, I would probably, I'm going to watch, if they have a race, we're going to watch it. I'm not going to watch it. You're going to watch the first race?

No. You will. You also said you're never going to Chicago. You also changed. I don't have any affinity toward, listen, I believe it's sustainability. I believe in taking care of the planet. I don't believe that 40 cup cars running around three hours a week are poisoning the planet.

Like, I ain't buying into that. The, you know, this is not, people get outraged with this all the time. This is not coming to take over the cup series. No. Like, this is not, you know, there may be some kind of, you know, years from now, there may be some kind of. Maybe this is a prelim race that we have somewhere at some tracks. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, you want more races that effect? I think this is just a niche thing that is hope they're hoping to catch on with some crowds. Why don't we put them out there with no drivers too while we're at it? That went well. Did you see that video? This is the video of the car getting pulled over by the driver in it? Yeah, maybe we do it. Hey, maybe we drive them from the roof.

Yeah, that'd be awesome. That should be a big fan winner right there. Like RC cars? Yeah. Okay. I think they're selling out, you know, 50,000 people watching RC car races all over the world these days. Doesn't he just nearly do that? I don't know.

He flies an airplane. I don't know if he drives RC cars. He wanted the RC Chili Bowl this year. He did. He did. The most interesting part of this to me is the fact that in this article, it says that the bodies of these cars are built from plant-based materials rather than carbon fiber. Oh, like plant burgers. To their vegan cars.

They're vegan cars. Yeah. That's awesome. So I got vegan electric cars. With no drivers. What are those? I love this kind of racing. This is awesome.

Well, the driver, they put it in Richten. We're going to race around the Whole Foods Park a lot. Don't they have a special name for those? Isn't it a certain brand that makes those vegan burgers? He's like Rums you by the impossible burger. The impossible race cars, Brett. You can't drive them.

But to answer your cost question earlier, the prototype was $1.5 million. That's what it costs. People are going to sign up for that. I can't wait to see the line. We better be accurate with those calls. Maybe we'll spot that. Brett going to be spotting the electric race.

I won't be spotting wherever Joel Edmonds was this past. You won't even need a radio. And what are we doing? Real loud. I can hear you. Are we swapping? Are we swapping? batteries out on pit road.

I don't think the race is long enough to do the second battery. You don't think you, so you just have one battery. I just call him on her cell phone on speaker phone. You don't even need it. You need to go. TJ would know he has a Tesla. Yeah,

I mean, the average electric car is probably... 280 miles. Yeah, I mean, 280 to 300 or something like that. And I'm sure you lose the battery if you jack it up to a thousand horse. Right, that's what I was thinking is...

But I'm saying like, okay, say you run a hundred mile race, isn't that not enough? Please, dear God, Casey, move this show on. I, this, when TJ starts talking about this, This is all we needed. All right. When you're not locked out of the thing, it's great. Okay.

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That's right, the same fast, reliable nationwide coverage as big wireless, now with two months free. Proof, the best things in life really do come in to. See consumer cellular.com for promotional details. Jay, let's go to the call. And I'm about five bourbons into this thing, and let me tell you, this had to be one of the best races I have seen in a long time. It was a cluster from start to finish. I don't know

what was going on with that clock, but man, at the end, that was sure fun. How about we do this again? I don't know, maybe we should try to bring it to Oklahoma City. Hala. Oklahoma City is that on their list? I don't think Oklahoma City's close to the top

of the street circuit list. That's probably where they're taking them electric cars. This is a slip and slide 165, sudden. Damn. There's another one. 165. It was the damn 120-something.

Was that the shortest race ever? No, I saw that it wasn't, but there was like go back to some Kyle Petty one somewhere. Yeah, second shortest race in the modern era. It was five hours long. I can tell you that. That wasn't short.

Hey, is it just me or does Tyler Reddick's crew chief look like an old Tyler Reddick? I'm confused. I feel like I'm being punked. Is he having the same bourbon the other guys? Billy.

I got smoking some of that wheat. Billy Scott is no less than four foot taller than Tyler Redick, I would say. Yeah, that's probably not the same jeans. Maybe two Tyler Reddicks. No, that's how you're probably looking at like 2840s and for Billy's jeans. And then 1510s. You know, custom made. She get our weekly, if Netflix would have spent less time away.

off that camera and focusing on the track. Maybe Tyler could have... Let me tell you some. Tyler's on my shit list. I mean, it's two weeks in a row. He could have prevented new winners and did not.

So, yeah. Okay. I think he's having hard enough time on his own with his interviews lately. I feel so awful. Like, he should feel bad. It is his fault. Okay, move on before.

Freddy's in the bad mood today. You know, I don't understand it. You got, where's your wipers? You've got money. flood flaps, you've got deep rosters, you've got rain tires. Well, Carson, hold my balls. I ain't got no tank with your wiper right now.

But this is all Freddy Kraft's fault. Mr. Freddie Kraft, macaroni, and cheese, this is all your fault. You know? Wait, we see it. But anyway, TJ, I hope you're Tesla's cranking in the rain. I hope you've got rain tires on that Tesla, too.

See you. It's grippy in the rain. How do they crank? Do you... App on my phone? Flip a switch. Sorry, I cut that out. But is that cranking?

Or is that starting? No, it's just... It's turning it on. You're turning it on. You don't even cranking it up. What do you do when you crank a car? You turn it on? Crank that DJ up.

You want to turn it on? No. Just go ahead and hit that little power button right here. Next call. Hit that off. Sitting around waiting for this rain delay to finish, and we got Ty Gibbs not understanding what water tight is, but you know what they say?

I may not be a smart. man but at least my grandpa had lots of money big tie gibbs fan there it sounds like what money his force go oh I didn't get that yeah yeah you are a little slow stupid is it stupid does DJ

I'm always said you know what that race was like Freddy a box of chocolates never know what you're gonna get uh 10 4 all right before I guess about the Expinity race I just want to say I've been to about 20 races in person between

IndyCar, NASCAR, and F1, and getting to watch your driver win today at the track is one of the greatest feelings on the planet. Way to go potto, one in that mid-Ohio. Now, second of all, Xfinity race, what a fantastic race. Honestly, my favorite race of the year. The way Larson and SVG battled for about half the freaking race without wrecking each other, that's quality. We want more of that NASCAR. 10 out of 10 experience. Agreed.

Yeah, awesome. Yeah. I don't know if it's a requirement for 23-11 dryers to cry. Boo-hoo for me after the races. But two in a row with Reddick, getting to be a bit bullshit. You know, you lost the race. Too bad. Boo-hoo, boo-hoo, boo-hoo.

Yeah, I told you. Kiss my... Tyler. Damn it. I was slapping Nick the whole time in the last lap. I go catch his ass. And then I see Tyler driving to the wall, and I think it was four and I was like,

fuck my. Netflix, Nick, he took a... We're changing Netflix. It's Netflix. It's Nick Flicks. So he took one of them Chicago handshakes with us. He did. Yeah. He sure did. You know who else took on with us, Kristen Bauer. Yep, KB was back. It was her birthday this week. B. C.O.Gs, yeah. Yeah. And they both told me that they'll never do one again. So I don't know. I concur. What was the name of that booze?

Mallort. It's right there. We got Bala right there. You want to try some more? No. Somebody sent us something after last year. He's that to start campfires. It's disgusting. It's pretty bad. Dang it, it's Freddie. One of the few 23 fans that calling here not complaining about Bubba.

But at what point do you need to use your spotting skill with the spotting new crew chief? Man, it seems like all year, last year. It's not some dumb strategy that takes you guys out of a race and you're running fast. It's a dumb mistake on pit road. And it just seems like every single week, the 23 says is something stupid that happens. So, I don't know. It looks like 45s running fine and dandy, but then you look at the 23 and there's 30th place from some weird strategy. I don't know.

Go 23. We did have a terrible strategy yesterday. We were in front of Alex Bowman in turn four when it was raining. I wish Booty did not put us there. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. I would feel the same if I was in front of you, just so you know, because I would be nervous. Listen, but like the funny thing is Booty made one of the best. best calls of the year yesterday because we restarted 36th and we were we were one of the people

that short pit the stage put the dry tires on and came out and it wasn't a huge advantage. So Boutique says to me, he says, if we can't gain nothing, come back down pit road. So nobody pitt in front of us, maybe one guy I think put in front of us. So he says, come down pit road. So I just assume we were coming down for fresh dry tires, you know, like have a little bit fresher rubber. He pulled wetts on it. and we drove from 36 to 13th in about five laps. That seemed like.

Yeah, that's actually a really smart call. Yeah, I mean, because the crossover, the crossover point early in the race was pretty steep and quick. The track dried at a much faster rate. And that did not happen. So putting the wets on at that point, fresh wets, because we had wet towers on,

but we burned them up. Yeah, we just didn't need on as many cars as at the end. But man, like that's a good call i mean we did get aided bikes obviously these guys you got turned around the night got we got some spots through attrition but i mean bubba was passing cars when it was like kind of a challenge yeah i mean but you like on them in-car cameras look at how fast they catch cars like it's incredible it's fun i mean it makes the racing exciting hey this is um 800 hitman

for heart mr oman dinger we just want to tell you that your contract was completed by mr briscoe today. Please just send your payment for completion. Thank you. I know it must be hard becoming the old forgotten dog when a new one comes around. Maybe watching Toy Story for assistance with coping. And also, if you have any donations for Bubba Wallace for respond after yesterday, and no joke, when is it time to talk about the seven card coming open? Not been great. all year long. Yeah, that car is definitely cooled off.

That's a good old T-J. He was a big hit among spotters last week, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. He was, he, appreciate the I think he saw what Sputter Nation can do to you. He's stacking somethings like pennies. I appreciate the Freddie and the rest of the internet.

Stacking cool shirts. Yeah. Yeah, I love, Corey. I think the banter is amazing. I only give them guys shit back. If it actually annoyed me, I wouldn't say anything, but I love both of them guys. So it was fun to fucking them a little bit. I can see my text string right now, two years from now.

Skip floor, Mark me a spot. Skip, well, I realized, skip, like, he almost was a spotter. You know, he does some spotting from time of time. And that was kind of his thing. Like, he was coming into the sport, like tire change or spotter. And he went obviously the right route, took a tire changer deal. But yeah, for sure. Pineapple people

Handcuffed to the track Ready I know I know where it That's what a Chicago handshake O'Doody How much did you drink last night Before you got on the plane

I mean Jesus Was that you? No, what me? I don't have anything to drink I needed something to drink I don't know what that was about That might have been the most random call That I've ever heard on you

Yeah That was interesting. And can confirm there's nothing up my ass. So that I'm aware of, I should say. I don't know. It's a late night. You want to come back as driver's wife, too? Is that one of the prerequisites?

What happened if we were both driver's wives and we were buddies? Who would you like to? We'd be girlfriends? So we know SVG is who Brett would like to be married to. New Photoshop. Bread, Freddy is wife. together hanging out. Who would I like to be married to?

How many kids do you guys want? I want to be probably, I want to be hot though. I want to be a hot driver's wife. I'm going for Dale. I mean, does anybody got more money than Dale? Amy, watch out.

Brett likes Australians. Or what do we call them now? It's not, I mean, he's New Zealander. Yeah, or I mean, I can't really call them young money anymore.

So what are they calling it? Like mid-age money? I don't. I did hear that this weekend. It's not, Kyle isn't really young anymore. That's who I'd want to act like too, because she's fun.

So you want to be married to SVG and act like Caitlin? Yes. We've already kind of started the girlfriend process by going to the bathroom together. Very true. Why did this have to come up? Is it noon yet? Okay.

This is the most weird conversation that we have ever had on here. We. She doesn't know what to say. We're going to take a break because it's clearly needed. She is a driver's girlfriend turned wife. Look how good she's got it. She's here with us. Me?

Oh, yeah. We got baby moons. What do you call that vacation? My baby moon was Indiana midgeal week. Okay. Well, that was your own choice. You just, Kate. No, that does not count.

You know what happens? You know what happens? You get birthday months or weeks or whatever, though, not just a day. She should. Well, no, you would. Okay. We're going to take a break. I need a break from these two.

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Yes As opposed to the top of the table Oh sorry you wake up naked on the bathroom floor Brett your pregnancy comments are coming in true I'm uh I think mom was last week no I'm kidding

I think it was when I was 21 I don't know I don't know that I've ever passed out on the bathroom floor I mean I passed out my first birthday I didn't make it out of the bathroom I made my brother I made John do 21 shots on his 21st birthday

guess how that went by it actually I think I did pass out on the bathroom John's the only person I've ever known to be beside in the Atlantic Ocean and he started throwing up and I was like

I looked like I saw a shark, bro. Luckily for us, he drifted off a little bit. And I was like, what's he doing over there? Brett's like, oh, he's puking. He is, what would you say? At least weight, chest deep in water. Throwing up. So he's throwing up like right here.

Right in front of him. And it's just floating. Perfect. Solid, yeah. I did wake up on the bathroom. That's the day Brett drank 21. What the fuck are those things? Peta colladas.

I don't know how you drink more than two of those things. Yeah. And he drank. 20 of them. With the floaters too. With the floaters. They were brown. It was a Myers-brum floater on a peanut colada.

They were no longer white. Yeah. Well, that's a great visual. This next one is from K-dub. Should NASCAR consider adding a rule that states if a caution occurs within five laps of a stage break, that caution then becomes a stage break. Yeah, why not? Let's just change all the rules.

They're in the race. I've seen people yesterday talking about they should have just eliminated the second stage when we realized it was running late. Yeah, let's just change all the rules. Why would we have you like you. So the deal is with that. So for first timers here or whatever, they're not going to open. If the cost comes out with three, four, five to go on the stage, they are not going to

open pit road unless they can go back green before the end of the stage. And I think at this point, there was four to go. By the time the pace car had to feel it, it was three to go. And it was raining, I believe as well, wasn't it? Yes. So there was really no choice. You can't, the reason you can't open pit road and not go back green or, you know, and do that is because guys will pit and then they, you can essentially swap the field.

Like it's not, it's an unfair advantage for guys. And it just doesn't, we've been through that before. I mean, we trialed and aired that, and, you know, now they fixed it. Yeah, you can't change this stuff. You can't, people base their entire race strategies off of knowing when the cautions are going to come out. You can't just decide, ah, you know what, move this caution up five laps. It's fine. Stage points and stage wins are so valuable right now that you can't, you can't say,

okay, Peros open one lap shootout because then all the guys that have position, you're taking away their stage points and you're throwing their race away. I would be, I would honestly be fine. I think the problem is, you know, you would get into a spot. If they open that pit road there with three to go, people are diving off the line to, you know, you know, to come in. And then all of a sudden, you know, somebody stays out. If they get to the line and it switches the two to go,

well, pit road's closed. And now, you know, we saw guys get trapped with that. You know, we saw guys get trapped with that under the green flag stops. I think it was AJ, the 17, the 51, a bunch of them. They got penalties because they committed to pit road and somebody stayed out and beat them to the line and closed pit road on them. So I just, listen, it's unfortunate, bad timing, but you can't change the rules of the race in the middle of the race. It just, it's not, you're throwing, like, it's not a fair, it's not a fair thing to do. No.

Well, don't forget to send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. We come back from the break. We are going to welcome our What an Idiot contenders from this week. What an idiot. I've got a list of them. Oh, well, feel free to start this off, ready? First, what's his name? Alon Day.

Alon Day, 17th guy on the way by Justin Allgaier, hits him, cleans him out. destroys birth race cars. I ask you this though, and I'll keep it simple. When did the caution come out? Before he got there. Before he got there. Yes. And he was the 17th guy.

I mean, I saw everybody go by fine, but I was curious, when did the caution come out? Then twice this way, I already said Redick, he's my one idiot too. But twice this week, we've had, and we brought it up on here, I must, Bobby Timmons, a couple weeks ago getting hit by that pace truck or whatever it was push truck. The one guy leaves the pit road, really is the garage pit area, whatever on a four-wheeler, right out in front of,

I don't know if it was a street stock or whatever that was, gets T-bone flies through the air. Lucky he's not dead. I think they said he broke his leg. I see in another video where there's a sprint car. And a late model. A late model like Chris Cross. There's somebody hanging out of the side of it.

What the fuck are these people doing? Could you imagine being the guy sitting on this and seeing a sprint car come into the corner? Did you see that, Brett? Yeah. Could you imagine being. Or how about the guy in the sprint car? Like, no, he's not going to. Oh, my gosh.

I don't get it. Like, I don't know what the hell these people. What goes through your mind? I have no idea. Like, those are definitely top candidates for what they were. They got in the full with her. The guy's coming at you almost head on. You got to be able to see that.

Yeah. You're going to love my one and idiot. Oh, I see it. It's a very simple question. This is not a trick question. What time does the sunset this time of year in North Carolina? Sunset? Roughly.

I mean, just his ballpark. 826. That's pretty close. So, good friend of ours, Doug Campbell. I was going to use his name now. Oh, yeah, I'm using it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Spots for Austin Cendrick, for all you that don't know. He texts me because we've been talking about getting together for Fourth of July fireworks. And he's texting me and he goes, hey, man, what time a fourth of July fireworks? Seven o'clock? Seven. Brett says not they typically wait for the sun to go down before they fire them off, Doug. How old is Doug?

I said probably closer to nine. How many summers has Doug been through as a kid when he played outside to almost nine o'clock? Not many, apparently. He don't really think a lot sometimes. He just reacts. He's more of a reactionary guy. Oh, sounds familiar. And these guys were, they're going to win my one idiot if they handcuffs themselves to the fence.

Did the protesters climb the fence or did they handcuffed themselves to the fence yesterday? I don't know what they did. They looked like they were chained to it or something. What were they protesting? No telling. I don't know. Well, they really did well then. It was overseas stuff.

It's not peaceful to me. I would lock them up 10 years. I would have left their ass sitting up there. Yeah. You want to try this? Go ahead. Watch these cars go by you in here a minute. Like you'll start your hands.

You'll unlock yourself up. Somebody had the best idea, which was they have like prefabbed walls and more fence, you know, that they should have just picked that wall up and drug it off and removed it with them all chained to it and just dropped them off. I had also had, did you see the deal with, or was it Irwindale with the art, with Venerini and the. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Context. There was a jumped restart or something.

They were looking at a restart. And then I guess it was Jack Wood. I didn't see the restart, but I heard one of the announcers say they're reviewing the restart. And then all of a sudden I was like, yeah, he won. Like, it was. Yeah. And then there was F bombs. And they didn't need.

Oh, the announcer. Oh, yeah. That was awesome. I need more context. I'd have to call Billy and see what the hell of him. I wonder who he was talking to. Yeah. Any other on your list?

I mean, Freddie had mine is the guys. crossing the track because that is totally preventable. I can tell you who's not getting my what an idiot this week. And he's been a pretty frequent customer of mine is the 99. He handled business in turn 12. So I was happy about that. Oh, that was that retribution. I didn't go back and watch. So yeah, we were running 11th into turn 11 and the 9 drives in there with no break pressure until he hits the 99, which knocks us into the fence, and then the 99 retaliates and turn 12 and handles it. So, and then I don't know why. Maybe there's something happened before that, but I don't think it's very cool just to drive in there and use cars as your brake pedals on the last

lap, especially people of that stature. Do you think they're done pulling all the Stuart Haas cars out of the tire barriers today? I felt like every time I looked up, they were all, I felt bad for him. I mean, they're all, every cost. So there's some pictures of the walls getting removed and all that. I think some of the Seward Hoss cars are going up with the list. Definitely still some body panels. Priest is the luckiest one now. Just bounce back.

Yeah, and Josh tested all the corners of the car. Poor Noah. Noah was probably the cleanest one. Everybody thought he was going to have an issue with turn six again. Well, on the opposite end of what an idiot, I do want to give a shout out to all of our CBI drivers. Owen Larson, Wyatt Miller, and Braxton Flat got wins. will wins this past weekend.

So it was cool watching them race. Big weekend for Casey Boat Racing. Chloe Boat Racing. Oh, my bad. I have no so whatsoever. Moving on to DBC Picks. Shout out to T.J. Who won, even though I thought I would win.

We are taking picks for Pocono. Where Toyota's going to dominate. Yeah, thank you for texting me that. Five of the last six races were won by five of the last six finishers last year or Toyota drivers. All right. Denny Hamlin's defending winner, Casey. Yep, I go first.

Thank you, Brett. I would also like to thank you thank those that sent recommendations over. My pick is Denny Hamlet. Good pick. Freddie. I will take Chase Briscoe. Brett.

Cobbush. T.J. I'm going to regret that, I think, because I wanted to save him for another one, but I'm letting it ride. I'm going with a guy who's probably still sleeping right now or just went to bed Alex Bowman. Yeah, that's a bad pick.

He's going to be hung over for a week. I don't have a lot. I'll tell you what I don't have a lot to pick. I don't know if I picked this guy already yet, but if Christopher Bell is running in the rain, I'm picking him from now on because apparently that's his forte. I mean, he kicked everybody's ass in New Hampshire in the rain. He was kicking everybody's ass yesterday in the rain, especially when you have dry tires on a slick.

They have a lot of momentum right now. Those guys have a lot of momentum. They're fast every week. week no matter what. So you picked two? I picked Chase Briscoe five minutes ago. I said I would pick Christopher who's going to rain somewhere. Baby rain. That's okay. This is a big test because Pocono, Indy, Michigan, three really big tracks coming up to close out regular season. Obviously you got Daytona Darlington and Richmond in there, but man, this is a big weekend. We're all big weekends right now. Yeah. What can we expect as we watch this weekend? Restarts are the best in the business here, four or five wide.

Spotting here is one of the hardest challenges of anywhere we go. I mean, I always thought Phoenix and Pocono or two of the hardest tracks. I don't think that will ever change. I mean, your cars are just so far away from you in turn one, going away from you. Even the tunnel turn. It's like they're a mile from you back there. So challenging racetrack, fun race track. This has the ability to, you know, Brett's talked about Toyota's dominance here,

but fuel strategy seems always coming to play at Pocono. And this is a place where somebody might be willing to get risky and steal a win. This is the type of place that you can have all the speed in the world, but you might be too fast because the guy in 11th who doesn't have that speed knows it. And he's Ligano of Nashville. That's what could happen here. Last two weeks have been sneaky winners, not guys that you thought we're going to win. And by the race played out, didn't think would have a chance.

I'm telling you right now. It could be a fuel situation. You see Paul and them guys like that's the type of race that they are going, they can sneak up there and win. Yeah. Well, we appreciate you guys listening. We'll be back next week. We hope.

Yeah, glad Brett's back from Chicago. Survived. Made it. Would you go back? I would, if I, if I, yeah, yeah. I would really not go back on July 4th, which is on a Friday next year. Would you go back? Dude, I'm telling you, 100%

like I said earlier in the show, like for a race fan, they should go to this. I hope race fans that enjoy the Chicago land track that maybe haven't given the street course a chance yet, venture up there and check it out. Yeah, it's awesome. We're out.

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