Door Bumper Clear - 342 | Richmond: What Won’t You Do For A Win?

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

Casey Boat, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors, and Brett Griffin are back after NASCAR’s summer break to recap a wild finish at Richmond. Austin Dillon’s decision to dump both Joey Logano and Denny Hamlin elicits some strong reactions from the guys, and a debate ensues on how NASCAR’s win-and-in format enables this type of racing. Denny and Joey had strong words post-race, along with other Cup Series drivers, and even NASCAR’s Elton Sawyer chimed in. In other news, the “Option” and “Prime” tire options yielded quality racing at Richmond which hopefully gets emulated at future tracks, including this season’s Playoffs. Speaking of Playoffs, we react to Talladega being named as a track in the Round of 8 next season.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Yeah, it's Matt and me and Tab just. I felt bad for Matt because that's his best race track. Yeah, we were actually pretty fast, too. He was doing a really good job. So. Brett Griffin, I didn't spot this weekend. I'm just surprised that TJ got to come back because he always makes fun of, you know, Del Jr. your downloads still in our people and now he's cheating on us. I've seen him over there a couple of times. They must need a ratings. Listen, that's what I told him. I said, you know, I'm only coming over here to boost your ratings.

Trying to help out. Yeah. Yeah, what's up? Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace and Ty Dillon this week. Hi, Casey. Hello, Casey Boat here. Still here. If you have a baby during this show, you have to name it after one of us.

Absolutely. Yeah. What? If you're water, race, we get to name the baby. What would be the better girl name? Brett, T.J. or Freddie?

Definitely Freddie. I don't even. Fredrika. This is all. Yes, Freddie. That is the winner. The last show I did. I think they were talking about Brett being a driver's wife or something.

Yeah. We're getting right back to that. We are almost there again. Brett, congratulations on your team winning this week. By team? I'm sure you guys are. Yeah, RCR. Don't you work for them?

Oh, yeah. I was pumped up, man. I was a, what a great finish. Well, yeah. No, no controversy whatsoever. There may be someone in my house that's not a Joy Ligano fan. Probably not to the extent that T.J. is not a Joy Ligano fan, but certainly not. And this person was jumping up and down going, wreck him, wreck him, spit him out.

And I'm like, I literally said he can't catch him. Like, that's the problem. Oh, you were wrong. I don't think he can catch him. And so when he caught him, I was. like, wow. He didn't really catch him. He just meant to rattle his cage.

Right. He iraicing caught him. That's what he did. I thought you were going to say Roy was the Joe, not the jelly, but once you said jumping around, I was pretty sure I wasn't. Yeah, touche. Don't treat Dave. So I'm curious from y'all's perspective, because y'all are in the middle of spotting

your race and your car. Did you see it happen live? Oh, it was two cards in front of me. Yeah. so I got to see it pretty, pretty live. And of course, it had a great deal of effect on our season. So, you know, Bubba, we were running, like before this, probably rewind 10, 15 laps. Tyler's got worn out tires.

He's running fourth, Reddick. And Bubba's running fifth. And I don't know if I didn't tell Bubba, we were having a good day and the three is going to win. And I'm not trying to like, just let's get to the end. I'll give you the bad news when it's over. If he hasn't already seen the scoreboard, he doesn't. don't know if he knows who's leading. So Reddit goes up one time and brushes the wall. And Bubba's like, well, you tell him to knock it the fuck off because you know they're trying

to throw a caution. Like, don't give him any excuse for yellow. We got a big gap on six. Like, we're good. Like get through this. And I'm at the same time. I'm like, yeah, I guess for us, it's good. But we also really don't need that three to win. So I'm not going to hate a caution. So when the yellow come out, I told him, I said, well, bad news for us is we, you know, now we're going to have a restart. Good news is the three was going to win. And he's like, that's a good caution. So, because that's not all you're worried about at this point is now you don't a new winner. So I see the 22 beat him on the restart. And I'm like, oh, yeah. And to your point, he kind of gets away a little bit down the backstretch. And I'm like, man, he's going to have to do

something really crazy here if he's going to get him. And he did. So he did. He did. It was like, like, I glanced because we had like 30 cars between us at that point. We restarted a 30 second because we waved around right there. I'm, I looked on the back and I'm like, oh, he's not close enough to even really do anything. You was wrong. I was wrong. I was way wrong. So Freddie, where were you before all this happened? Because you came to a few spots, right? No, I mean, we were running fifth, that whole third stage, basically, fifth or sixth. And we were going to finish there.

I was really going to be, I knew, even with the three winning, I knew we did enough to jump the other two guys we had been chasing and made up a lot of ground on Ty Gibbs. So that's all you control, like on my mind, we're controlling everything we can control. We go out and perform good enough. We can maybe, you know, we jump these two guys. We can jump the 54. You were in front of the cars that you were supposed to be in. Yeah.

Like we're just, we're doing everything we have to do. If somebody else goes out and wins, and at that point, the three deserved to win. I mean, he ran a great race all night long. He drove by Danny for the lead. They were- Pass Joey. Yeah, they were-passed Joey. Yeah, they were really good. And they deserved to win.

And then they, unfortunately, pit crew had a great pit stop. Because when they came down at road, I'm like, oh, he's going to be in trouble because Danny's got pit stall number one. I think he must have, I would have a gap. I figured he had a big gap. Yes. So, because when I seen him come off, I'm like, man, he beat him off. They've also had a great pit stop, I'm sure. But so I see he's got the lead now.

I'm like, damn, now he's the control car still, going to be hard to beat him. Then I see off of two, Joey's got the lead. And I'm like, yeah, go Joey. I've never been a bigger Joey Ligano fan of my life. And then we go down the backstretch and I'm like, holy shit. Like, yeah, I see him driving. You see like where. Oh, yeah.

He's all right in front of me. So you can see he just bombs it into three way deeper than anybody else in this crowd. Drives in there. I'm like, oh, he's going to wreck the 22. So he wrecks 22. 11's going by him. I'm like, he's going to wreck the 11. Should the 22 wrecking in front of the field?

with all of the smoke have brought out a caution. It did. Just late. It did not at time of caution. It took not the time he spun. I mean, they threw it. I mean, it was pretty bang, bang. He spins in the middle of three and four.

The yellow's out probably just past the restart zone. So it's pretty quick. It's pretty quick. We're not quick enough for Denny, unfortunately, which that would have been amazing if Denny would have got hooked in the fence and won the race. Oh, man. Who are the two biggest hills in our sport right now?

Those two. How is anybody upset? If you're a Denny Hamlin fan, I get it. If you're a Joy Lagano fan, I get it. But the three biggest hills in our sport were Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlet, Joy Lagano. Kyle Busch is gone somewhat quiet. Yeah, your guy can creep in there. But you're all, your guy also, it's either a love or hate bubble.

And I think it's literally 50-50. I think 80% of the people dislike Joy Lagano and or Denny Hamlin. They probably still have the highest booze. They're arrogant hick holes. They wreck a lot of people to win. How many times has Denny used people up to win? I never. How many times Joy Lugano used people love to win?

I mean, they're probably close to each other. And, and listen, I like both these guys personally. They're both good dudes. I've taken up for Denny on here numerous times. But he wrecked the two biggest holes in the sport.

I was thinking about that last night, like heading to the airport. I was like, could you imagine if that was Chase Elliott? Like if either one of them, like Joey, if Joey was it or like, you know,

they about burned Martinsville down. Yeah, just imagine if it had been Chase Elliott and Ryan Blaney. Two of the most loved guys. in the garage. Then I get it. But I think that if you're going to be mad at anybody here, you have to be mad at NASCAR. The rule is when and you're in, Austin Dillon is 32nd in points. He hasn't won in two years. People are talking about he should quit. Yeah. He's going to win the race until Ricky Stenhouse and Ryan Priest do something stupid for 50th place.

They weren't even racing. They weren't even racing each other. It makes it even dumber. But I mean, like you have a three second lead when that happens and the caution comes out like you said pit crew does their job everything goes on you come out you get your butt kicked on a restart he got smoked on a restart he got his ass kicked and then he had a hell merry and guess what he threw it now I don't know what happens from here I think the wind stays no matter what they're not taking a win away no I could see a fine and I could potentially see some points but who cares exactly like to your point The only thing that was at stake last night for him was his reputation. And why does he give it?

He's like you said, I think on Twitter, he's in the playoffs. He's in the All-Star race. You just bumped yourself up to, you know, 16th and points at worst, you know, from. And by the way, that's a lot of money. Yeah. You know, this is, do you have to do this for your guys. You have to do this for, you know, your sponsors. You know, whatever it is.

But, you know, to your point, this is where NASCAR, if they're, you heard Elton come and say, well, this is awfully close to the line. Well, if that ain't crossed the line, I don't really know what's ever going to cross it. Hey, listen, if anybody knows about crossing the line, it's me. Yeah. From Indy and you, but you didn't get busted for it. Man, he's honestly more relevant now because of these moves than he would have been if he had won the race.

Just straight up. Yeah. I mean, he is, I mean, listen, he had to do something. If NASCAR truly wants to. set. They don't have many options. They have a few options they can go. Obviously, it's, it's, you know, they can come back and find them and, you know, who cares? They can do nothing, which, you know, whatever they, I don't, there's going to be something, I think. No matter what they do, I promise you, it doesn't matter. But this is my point. This is my point. So if you want to set a

precedent, you have to make it hurt in the playoffs. And by either, you know, he right reared somebody. We've seen suspensions for that. But I don't know. I, I, I hear you. Contact was made. But how much did he really right rear? Oh, he right reared him. He hooked the hard left.

He is coming down the track, turning left, trying to hit him. And people are like, well, Denny came up. Well, that's the natural flow of the corner.

Just for the eye. For the eye signs out there, when you hit the throttle in turn four, it's supposed to carry you up the race track, not down the race track. But if you're going slow enough, you can turn down. And you're trying to stop a guy from passing you.

You're going to turn down. You got a side draft on the slow on that. Yeah, you're side draft in there with buzzer. with buzzing the tires to start finish. The only thing, there's two options you can do to make this hurt to deter people from wanting to do this in the future. One of them is if, you know, right rear in somebody, you suspend them and don't give him a waiver.

Very, very unlikely. Either one of those things happens, I think. That's not. The other thing is give them a heavy playoff point fine. You know, congratulations. You're in the playoffs, but here's a hundred point fine. You're not going anywhere in the playoffs yet. Oh, you're in the playoffs.

You win and you're locked in. Yeah, but you're not in the playoffs when this happened. Like it didn't. I'm saying it happened in regular season. saying when to deter that you're doing this you're doing this because you want to get in the playoffs well congratulations you're in the playoffs that that's as far as you're going is the first you're trying to deter people from doing this what happens if they win in a first round of playoffs then they're in that that's good you know for that i don't agree with giving i don't agree with taking something

away you have to make this to where people don't want to do this scott miller stood in front of everybody and said we're in an entertainment business when something stupid happened in our sport a few years ago i don't even remember what it was but I remember it was stupid. And they stood on the hill then and said, we're in an entertainment business. That was the most entertaining last lap of NASCAR history in terms of somebody being beaten,

coming back and winning the race. It can't happen. I'm sorry. What if you just take the, you know, all right, you get the trophy, you get the money and all that, but this,

if you're going to win like that, we're not counting it as a playoff eligible win. That's ludicrous. So, Brett, what would you do? I mean, I would stop you from doing it like that, winning like that. How do you stop it? What rule did he break? Reckless driving that the penalty days gave out three weeks ago.

That's discretionary. Okay. I think there's two guys that hit the wall that would say they agree with that. It's to the point where the thing that, you know, I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here. But like, I just think you can't let this happen. It's one thing. I would actually, and I'll go as far as saying this, if what happened, and I don't, I hate it's,

Danny that this happened to because it's not, has nothing to do with Danny Hamilton. But if, if he goes in there and dumps the 22 and continues on and wins the race, I think we've seen that a thousand times and that's okay. I think the fact that he went in there, dumped the 22, I mean,

came from three carlings back, dumped the 22, then was going to lose to the 11. So he right hooks the 11. Like, this looked like video game. There used to be, I remember.

But if he doesn't have the incident with Denny, he wrecked his 22 for nothing. For nothing. Oh, I know. So at that point, you're already committed. I remember back in the day, there used to be a challenge on one of the video games. There's a disease out there called Pheeditis.

And once it flares up, it's really bad. You can't let it flare up over Denny. You've got to finish the deal. Well, listen, he did. But there should be a penalty for it. You can't race like this. It's not the way we're supposed to do it. It's winning your end.

I'll make a better thing. So here's the bigger thing, right? We're all upset right now, whether we're upset for it or upset against. What are you going to do when this happens to Phoenix? Yeah, exactly. Like what? I'm going to tell you what's going to win a championship. The thing that, yeah, exactly right.

And the thing that people don't realize they like, awesome, Dylan, you know, this, that who remembers, anybody remember that Ryan Newman did this to, Kyle Larson? Like, nobody gives it to Ryan Newman. Nothing. What's a difference? The difference is that was, this was, I feel like this was more egregious. This is one of the most egregious things I've seen in a long time. It's definitely.

I said last night on the radio because all of a sudden they said the review, the finishes under review. And I don't think it had anything to do with Austin. I think it was the positioning and the caution. I think so too. But I said the booty, booty's like, oh, they're reviewing it. And I go, well, if they're ever going to do something, this would be the night that they would do it. Yeah. But they're not going to do anything.

I just don't know. I don't know what you do because no matter what they do, we're probably not going to agree with it. They're probably going to put Jeff Gordon to play out. I just love. Thanks to you. I love the fact. Yeah, that's true.

Richmond seems to call the, I just love the fact that, you know, I feel, poor Elton. I've seen when Elton, they said Elton's coming out to make a statement. I'm like, whatever he says. He's getting torn up. Did he like talk to everybody this time? No, I think he talked. I think he was saying questions.

Yeah. He's right. I mean, it's right on the line. But like, what do you mean? It's right on the line. Where is the line? That's what I'm saying. What are you going to shoot somebody?

But what do you do, though? you know what I mean? Like, it's awfully close to the line. What does you want to help him to say? I don't, that's what I'm saying. When I seen the tweet that he's coming out, I'm like, he's like, like, what's, what's he going to say? Like, and you come back and say it's awfully close to the line.

Well, where's the line? We got to flip the guy over? Like, I don't know. Well, what's sliding to talk about? Because there's two of them at Indy that you got to. So, Brett, you would do nothing. I don't have to make a decision on what I would do. If you were.

He can't say you had to make the decision. What would you do? Well, okay. We need words here, Brett. We don't mumble here. I don't know where he broke a rule. More Denny than Joey. But still, there's no rule.

They've showed. I don't see a rule that he broke. They have shown in the past that that's a suspensionable penalty. But not when they got won the race. It's a right hook. There's no situation. It's a right hook. Luckily, Denny was a phenomenal driver and got his car.

straightened out before he didn't go head on he went right side in then he went he hit with the nose it looked like it hurts still it's 100% he was out of breath when he tried to answer it 100% look like I hurt I mean it was a it was a hard hit it was hardest you could probably hit there yes getting off the corner not getting into one but this is the this is exactly what mass car wanted when they created when and you're in and you can hate bow mow gray as much as you want to hate it. That's the style of racing that we saw in the last lap. I don't, um, this is, I just, I don't think many of the other drivers make this move. I don't think many of the other drivers make the move.

You don't think they got the balls to make the move. I don't think, I think this is a thing's building up with Austin. He's been under a lot of pressure lately and been under the spotlight quite a bit for not performing. And this was his opportunity and he wasn't going to miss it. I don't think, I don't think Bubba goes in there and wrecks Joey and I don't think he said on his interview he said you know I don't think so either I mean no I don't think so either there's there's very few guys I wish he would probably there's very few guys I think there's four or five the younger guys that might go in there but I think all the guys that have been here for a handful years aren't going to race like that I think ethically he has to live with it

he ain't going to care about that and if you don't if you don't care about that then who gives a He still got one guy mad from the Daytona 500. I mean, we could get Joel on here and he'll tell you what he thinks. Oh, Joel's still upset. Eric Amarold still upset. I mean, how many wins he got five in his career? Yeah, something like that, four or five, I would say. I mean, that was a desperation move that worked.

I'm not saying ethically that it's the right move, but illegally, legally, I don't see a rule against it. Because what you're saying is illegal about it is 100. percent discretionary. Oh, yeah. There's no, there's no cut and dry rule. There's not like the line T.J. crossed at Indy. There's no cut and dry rule. That's the majority of this table. But, you know, it's just, well, I'll get into it more when we get to spots. When you get, when you look at this as an owner, all right? Because who has power in the garage? NASCAR and owners. When you look at this as an owner, what do you do to go to NASCAR to ask them to fix this? I don't know. You know, I saw Denny and. and Gabe Hart come out and then he said they had a conversation. He wasn't going to literally elaborate on what it was. But I just think that means he got told tough.

Austin won a race. I'm sure we'll find out on action detrimental. Yeah, it's just. But if you're the owner's group and you go in there and go, we got to fix this. What are you going to do? The thing,

like the only thing you can do in there and nobody's going to like it is you have to, you have to put it in the NASCAR hands of making calls. Like that's what every short track in the country does, except for one, circus up in Winston-Salem. But, you know, anywhere, we just seen this three weeks ago, two weeks ago at the car store race in Hickory. The guy goes in there, wipes him out of last turn.

He gets disqualified. It's not hard to do. Should we make a call? When they call the owner. It's now the problem is, you know, we hear about judgment calls and I hate judgment calls. But like something like that, you watch and go, okay, that that's probably a little bit much. You know what I mean? At the same time, there are things that you've seen on track that seem like they play it more

low key than Austin just ping ponging. Like I feel like that's also subjective, right? Like you can't have a fine line if part of it is subjective. Well, no, I'm saying it's got to be a judgment call in the moment. And like, do we trust them to make that call is the problem. Well, you know, you go to any, I watch Riverhead every week. I watch Bowman Gray. Even Bowman Gray is getting to the point where they're starting to make calls.

But, you know, the, if the short tracks of the world can make this call, why can't the highest form of racing make this call? I don't understand. Well, we'll talk about this later in the show, but you mentioned playoff implications. Obviously, Freddie, for you being, I think you're three above the cut line right now. So knowing Austin has a spot for all intensive purposes,

what does that mean for you and others who are on that cut line? I'll tell you, though, it's bigger than this. Like, Freddie, you know this. When you look at the top three in points, you can put a blanket over them. That's for 15 playoff points. if you win. When you look at where you're at, you can get into the top ten in points,

which is a playoff point. You also could get kicked out of the playoff with a couple new winners and or a couple bad races. So, man, this may be the best point battle we've seen in this format. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, like going into it, my mind, I never really, we haven't really had

any meetings about it or anything like that. But my mind, you had, we were closing in on both Ross and Busher for the last two, three weeks before the playoffs and picked up this week again. And in my mind, we had to get both of them because you got Daytona looming. So, you know, if you get both of them, you're in, you got a buffer, a one spot buffer to the cut line. If you get a new winner Daytona, you know, you're good.

Was not expecting a new winner at anywhere, you know, Richmond or Michigan or Darlington. So now you get that. So now we've jumped them guys. And now we're just going to have to focus on trying to jump Thai, who's, I think, 18 points ahead of us or 15 points ahead of us. and get him to get that buffer back to where we can protect against another new winner. So for us, it's just about going out there and continuing to perform like we have for the last month and a half or so. Get the stage points, get the good finishes and hope them guys continue to, you know, not really struggle. Like Ross finished fifth last night, but we made up a bunch of points on him because we had stage points and he didn't.

So, you know, it's just for us, it's just continue to do what you're doing, control what you can control and and hope it works out for you in the long run. TJ, if season ended right now, you'd have two playoff points based on being ninth and points. Well, he'd have. Well, I mean, plus his win. But when you look at the importance of the points, this is crazy, how tight it is. Yeah. I mean, I just look back. It frustrates me because I know there was some self-inflicted races that we probably could have.

And I look at if we take away a couple of those, we're probably top five into points. And that's after having two 36th place finishes to start the year. So, but I feel pretty good, you know, about where we're at. We need to keep shipping away at it. But the points, this is probably the closest that I've really seen the top 10 in a while. I mean, I mean, it's close. To your point. Like we.

Top 16. We go back to those two weeks at Talladega and Dover for us where we get, you know, we're in that Toyota pack and we lost 70 points right there. You give us 70 points. And we're up there with Truex. You know, right to Dover. Yeah. Like, it's just, you know, it is.

Remember when there was a rule, you had to be. like top 30 30 in points. Boy, that would come in handy right now. Could you imagine if that had been in a place last night? He wouldn't have done it maybe. Well, I mean, it would have done it because he's 26th and points now. So he'd have been fine. But then, but that's where you could, if you still had that rule in place,

you could hit him with a 50 point penalty like you gave Custer and them guys a couple years ago. Yeah. And now you're out of the top 30. And now you're done. You know, now you're done. But that rule's gone. It doesn't matter.

The money doesn't matter. No. If you fine them, give him a rule. regular season points penalty if you give them whatever spend anybody like you're not it doesn't matter

no I the only thing that hurts is in the playoffs but still at a guy in his position when you're 26 in the points yeah you're like you still get in the you just jump 10 spots which is a lot of money

he saved Ricky Stenhouse from catching absolute hail Ricky Stenhouse and our priest we're going to catch hail for do you think can let me ask you can ask do you think I can't imagine this

but I wish it was the case 51% chance your your your answer is yes do you think Ricky Sandhouse did that on purpose to Friar I mean I don't know because they're not right from what I understand

Ryan and Ricky were not even racing each other for position yeah I don't and Ricky goes in there and basically just runs into them right I mean I don't know that that's the case but I I that makes for a great story if it was do you think he was really big braining it that much I don't know you know you could look at

that slide. You can look up at that scoreboard to see the three. I can tell you. Kind of like that itch that Boyer had at Richmond back in the day. I can tell you that I have seen people wreck on purpose to bring out a caution. We know that, Brett. To bring out a caution to make sure the guy who was going to win, didn't win. And at that time, at that time, at that time, here's what you don't know.

At that time, this was way, way, way, long, long time ago. like these guys might have even been teammates because they were mad at each other so I mean y'all know how this is you know you can see the pylons you know what's going on you got communication like Ricky I mean

dude if I'm gonna go and tell you man if that's the case he's smart that's sorry I didn't mean to cuss but that's big brain that's big brain yeah we're going to take a quick break when we come back we will chat all things Richmond in spot on spot off Spot on spot off.

Spot off. Spot off. Spot off. It was super fun yesterday to ride her out, Marin. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? First topic. Spot on, spot off.

Option and prime tires improved racing at Richmond. Freddie. I can honestly sit here and tell you right now that I don't think I know which one is a soft one and which one is the hard one when you say option to prime. Like I'd have to think about it for a while I don't know who came up Well just think about it Like she would think about it What

Oh seriously Who the hell is she Casey? Oh something's prime And something's awesome All right Yeah but I don't think that's I think it's backwards

Tj What does Prime meme, Brett? Spot on spot off I see Prime guy Every day in my house I think he shows No Yeah

I told Megan one phone I said Just tell me your sleep with this guy You're not actually buying Every day I'm so glad Chad doesn't have access to the ring to see the long. I am, uh, I am spot on for the prime tire, but I think the prime tire should be the prime time

all the time and get rid of the other. Which one's prime? Hard or soft? The soft one, Brett. Oh. I know you prefer. I know you prefer the. Option.

The option. So the option is hard. That's one way to put it. Yes. We have to clarify because it's dumber and f*** the way they refer to these things. Yes. Just use hard and soft. Michael Waltrip tweeted it.

Kevin Harvick tweeted it. Dale Jr. tweeted it. I'm just reiterating what they said. Does nobody knows what that mean? I just call them yellow and red. That's the only way you identify them. They're yellows and reds. And they say the yellows is hard one and the red was a soft one.

What was that word? They used that one time that everybody used it in sentences for like the next six months. Remember that? But we were coming up big words on the show trying to make up other stuff too. Oh, it was when you're trying to describe like a. This is riveting. Do you remember you would know? Was it that?

Was it that? No. It was something like a riveting podcast. But yeah. Anyway. So like Nate Ryan in our garage has a very high word IQ. If he doesn't know what the. He means, neither does anybody else.

So he's the, it's just, he's the soft. You have to, when you say that, then you have to take time to explain it. Like Dale's point, you should say hard or soft.

To my point, you don't know what's hard or soft unless you look at the colors on the sidewall. Yeah. So like you have to, integrate those two names, whether it's, you know, I've seen Bozzie had an idea of calling the yellows, hard yellows, or soft reds. But the option in prime is like, I get it. You want to give them these fancy names that in Formula One uses. But like, nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.

So, well, even for them, soft, medium and hards. Yeah. You know, and, but I don't, did it help the race? Yes. A little bit. I think, I think it helped the race last night because some guys, no, nobody really knew 100% what to do strategy wise. You know, everybody was like, I'm going to saving for the end. Well, then you've seen Suarez bolt him on the first at the beginning of the second stage and drive right to the lead. And you're like, oh, well, maybe if this works out. And it was almost, it was a lap away from working out for him to where he was going to, he was running towards the back or midpack, I would say. And he was going to get a top five if, if the yellow doesn't come out for Stenhouse. Right. Right. So, you know, if you, but now people saw what happened and how the,

how that plays out. And every time we do something, we just get better at it. So now the crew chiefs know, all right, I have to have a, basically have to have a set lane because Suarez went from running top five to finishing 21st because he didn't have a red set left for a green white checker. So, you know, it's risk versus reward. And a lot of guys, especially if we're talking about using these in the playoffs now, places like Bristol Martinsville or Phoenix, you know, you're going to be even less risky with how you want to use them. I know you ended up getting burned a little bit by it seemed like because at the end of one stage, you were you were backing up pretty hard. But I don't know how that netted out. We actually made up ground in the in there, but we had a set of reds laying still.

At the end. At the end, we had a race. Soft. Tough. So. So. So. So. But. But. But. But I don't know why, like, there was so much fall off. Like, you're crawling. Like, that's what we want. That's what we need. That's exactly right. And we don't just get rid of the damn hard tire altogether.

Like, we don't even need it. We don't need a tire that can run 800 laps. We don't need that. Just run the soft tire. Let these guys manage it a little bit. Put the driver back in control of this a little bit. Not just like make him, if you want to go off air and run real hard, you're going to pay the price a little bit if you want.

You know what I mean? That's what it should be. The driver should have to have some sort of finesse. and control. If you want to risk it, take off and run up there. If you want to lay back a little bit, like Carl Edwards, them guys, you should save tires all the time. The end of the run, here they come.

So you got guys that kind of meet in the middle. Yeah. And it's natural. I liked the idea of it last night. I thought it was, I think it was great. But like I think on four, like Suarez was the perfect example. He was, like I said, a midpack car. He was going to run.

He drives up to the lead. We're all like, well, he's got one set less for later. And now, you know, if that plays out right for him, he's going to finish in the top five. But I think the, and the only reason, I mean, he made up a lap and a half. He just ran as long as he could on the yellows in the middle stint of stage three and made up like a lap and a half to drive there, which is awesome. You know, and at the same point, like you're putting on yellows against Reds knowing that I can run longer than this guy. And I'm going to be much better at the end of this run, which is all great. But I think the more we get used to doing it, we're going to end up on the same tires at the same time.

There's not going to be as many guys that are willing to take chances and put themselves in a box like floor. We're taking an element away from it, in my opinion. and when we have like, I want to see these guys. I'd rather put the, put it into the driver's hands rather than, you know, okay, when we're going to put these tires on. I want to tell the, I want to be able to see the guy manage it and make, make moves at the end. Because that's what's going to create the good racing. We don't like, and honestly, it didn't even really, it didn't, the racing itself wasn't

really any different, like racing with me and you, the only thing that was different was, are you on the option of the primes because you blow by each other and there's not even a, there's not even a race. you just go by you just blow him by them. Sores unlaps himself like, I mean. They made up a lap and a half. Unreal. So what you're saying is if we were both on the same tire, you couldn't pass.

I think, well, I think, no, I think if you're both on the same tire, the soft tire, I think you can hurt it. I think you can, I think you can go off and get two second lead, but in 35 laps or 40 laps or whatever, and I save my stuff, we're going to have a pretty good race because I'm going to be beating your bumper off. And that's, you know what I mean? I don't. Yeah.

that's what I want to see and you're struggling. You can't get off a four. You can't get off to you're crawling. I'm bumping you on the in the middle trying to get by you. That's what we're going to have. That's what I think we would have more. Yeah. And I, I, I agree with you that. Ideally, I think going forward, if you just brought that red side red tire everywhere, it's awesome. I think it would also be a great show for the fans because you got a lot of to watch there when you go, all this guy's on the soft tires. He's going to be charging. This guy's on it harder and he's hoping to come back to him later. But I think, like I said, at some point, you're going to end up, everybody's just going to end up on the same tires at the same time.

Well, I think that Matt Swinderski, who I've had a privilege of working with, a colleague racing, that's nicknamed Squid. The guy used to work for Elon Musk building rockets. I think he's pretty smart. So these are like a rocket scientist? Obviously. But like when you look at Daniel Suarez, his strategy is to try to win the race. And if he can't, it's to win a stage.

Because all that matters to Daniel Suarez is playoff points. He's not going to get high enough in the points battle to get. the top 10 points that are that are given out. So when you look at how do they approach it, they're able to do different things because of where they're at in their season. I think to Freddie's point, if we run Richmond the third race of the year, everybody probably does the same thing. But it being at this point on the schedule in the season, people are going to do different things because they got different agendas. Yeah. And under what people didn't see also is the same second run of the race, Suarez restarts, 16th with the red, the soft tires. And

the only other guy that put them on was a 34. he was the free pass and that saved his race. Yeah. Yeah. Like that put him, that run right there, projected him up into the top front. He had track position after that. Yeah.

Back on the subject of Austin Dillon. Austin Dillon's team radio said, I don't care how you do it before he dumped Joey Lugano and then wreck him, wreck him before turning Denny Hamlin. Afterwards, Richard Childress denied anyone from the three team telling Dylan to wreck anyone. spot on, spot off. Brett.

I'd like to phone a friend, Chris Lambert. Yeah. So I was actually texting with someone this morning at RCR management. They didn't hear the radio communication reckon. So I think that there's a chance. Richard didn't hear it as well. But I also know that those guys have got a lot of radios on. They have more radios on than we even have because we wear three channels,

sometimes four channels. So they've got three to four channels per team, right? So there's a chance Richard didn't hear that. Obviously, I think he later said the spotter did the right thing, right? So he did a good job. He said he did a good job. They won the race. And they won the race.

So this is not, if the radio communication was wreck him, this is not the first time a spotter has ever said wrecked somebody. This is not the first time that anybody has ever encouraged anybody to wreck somebody. I'm pretty sure our friend, Mr. Boyd, encourages his driver every week to wreck somebody. Joel Edmonds. Hey, it worked. Joel.

Jim sure did yesterday. Joel Edmonds, who spotted for Greg Biffel for many years in Eric Gamarola. I bet he told Eric Amarola to wreck somebody every week. Because Eric was, you know, level set and Joel is on freaking type A ready to blow the racetrack up mode, right? So this is going to probably get blown way out of proportion.

And in reality, how many times when you guys are on the roof, when another spotter comes down there and starts fussing at you for what your driver and your scenario is doing, do y'all say, I'm not driving the car? The spotter can say whatever the hell he wants in any scenario, but he's still not driving the car. Yeah, I'm spot on for what was it. I don't care how you do it. Like, that's fine. Like, listen, that's just, hey, buddy. It's in your hands. It's in your hands. You do what you've got to do here. Whatever you feel you need to do. Belichette told Brady that many times. When you say wreck him is probably what I'm spot off. Because I don't think you need to, like, I've said on here before. And we saw this, remember, I think it was Byron at like, was it, Watkins Glen where they're like, you better go up there and get him. Chad Cannell said, you better go wrecked. And Byron, all he did is end up wrecking his own car. You know, and so I think anytime you try to tell somebody to do something and they're maybe not committed to doing, which I think Austin was committed. I don't think anybody. R.C. didn't hear him say that because he was yelling wreck him at the top of.

of his lungs probably. Same thing with the crew chief. But, you know, I think, like to your point, I think this is where they're going to get in trouble is maybe the spotter because, you know, you go back a couple years ago and the double zero, the 41 team, you know, they tried to, they, I don't know what the hell they were trying to do.

I wish that it was, I can't remember the crew chief's name at its point. But, you know, they're telling them, you got to check up, you got a flat. They're telling them from the pit box. They're telling Cole, you got to check up because they wanted him to stack the lineup to affect the playoffs. and they got hammered.

Cole got $100,000 fine. The crew chief got $100,000 fine. I think Cole got 50 points taken away. The crew chief got suspended indefinitely for saying that. So if they really, really wanted to crack down on somebody here, the one that shows intent is the spotter saying wreck them on the radio. And that's unfortunate.

And I mean, it's all he's the moment. And I could tell walking by Brandon on the roof afterwards, it probably wasn't his proudest moment of his racing, career, which one thing that really drove me crazy about the radio transmissions after the race, after they take the checkers, is all these guys on the radio yelling how proud they are of Austin. And I'm like, I don't know if that's a real proudful move there. But to your point, Brett, getting blown out of proportion.

I think there could be some penalties coming for, which I don't remember a spotter penalty. Got close pretty close recently. but um but um but um but i don't know spotter penalty uh in the sport in a long time no not even a little i don't think you want to provide any details interesting i guess we'll find out what t juesday i'm i'm i'm spot off for the tell you to reckon but i don't think like you said you don't you don't have as many as much as I wish we don't have controls over them cars sometimes I wish we could throttle up at times I wish we could turn at times but we don't so the driver the one that's making the decision in that instant is the driver so how much pressure did brandon feel to have to win that race

I mean same as Austin the whole team has the same pressure I think it's all the same you know it's It's, it's, that's your only chance to make the playoffs. So should being allowed to be inside the huddle as a sanctioning body and as a fan base, should it cost you money and cost you potential suspensions? Because in no other sport would you know that they said, hey, on this play right here, when this guy goes up for a layup, you undercut him. Yeah. I mean, it, it's the nature of the beast.

It's not, you know that that they're listening. know what you say is being heard. But you don't know that. I feel that we get that moment in time because that's the last thing. But you can go back and you can pull audio from everywhere. I mean, we know that. But in that moment in time, when it's happening in real time and you say wreck him. Have you ever said wreck him? Never. Have you ever insinuated you should retaliate? Have you ever said wreck him? Have you ever insinuated you should retaliate? I mean, I think you race how you're raced. And your thousands of races that you've done. I think you tell people you race how I've 100% told LA Saturday to wreck somebody.

I'd wreck that motherfucker. Yeah, I probably said I've said, like I've had enough of this guy or, you know, I don't think I've ever outright said wreck this guy. I've had the crew chief on the other channel tell me to tell the driver to wreck it. Because you get fed up, right? You know what you have to accomplish. And again, I'm going to say that I'm going to hush, but this could easily get bone way out of proportion. I spotted for Tommy Baldwin for a season.

How many times do you think he told me to wreck someone? Oh, my gosh. So what you're saying is what I'm taking from this conversation is we now need to have code words for wrecking. Yes, yes, yes. Give them the pizza. Strawberries. Watermelon. Wait a minute.

What's that guy in that video? Hey, my coat. My safe words, pineapple. No what, no matter what happens here, this is going to go down as a dirty move. Do we agree with that? Yeah. I mean, that's pretty honest. happens here. He's going to make the playoff. He's going to keep the win. His sponsor's happy.

His owner's happy. This is maybe the first moment I've ever seen him drive like his dad and Mike Dillan. This might be the first time that I've ever seen second place take out first and third in three and four in the race. You know, ever. Just think about this, though. If the caution comes out sooner, Denny wins the race and he's wrecked. Could you? Yes. I just was hoping. Not hoping. But like nothing makes me feel better than you do this. You make this outlandish move into three and then like if he didn't hook Denny he you know he goes in there and wipes Joey out for absolutely no reason like that that would have been that the crowd would have been going nuts of cheering probably like you know well maybe not cheering is Danny would have won he's lucky he won because if he doesn't he looks like oh it'd be so bad but it's not how it worked

out so how would it be different if i mean Austin for all intensive purposes said he you know he was going to do what he had to do during his interview yeah i mean Danny got hammered on his podcast. He said he did something unintentionally. I mean, you basically, I don't know. I didn't see his persuasion of you. Did he ever say like, I wrecked him like,

or like just admitted or just say I did what I had to do. Which one of them? Austin. I know, but like which guy? We got multiple. He said he's never had a car this good before. What do you think?

What do you think about if all this goes on? The only person that gets a penalty out of it is Lugano for doing a burnout on pit road. I mean, that's possible. I mean, that's, I mean, that should be a penalty. That should be something. You know, you can't do that.

But could you imagine we go through all this? And then the only person that gets penalized is the guy that got wiped out leading. Oh, my God. Moving on. Jay O'Logano called Austin Dillon's move, chicken and BS after climbing out of his car and said payback is coming, while Denny Hamlin said a line was crossed tonight, but it's an invisible line.

And when asked with Dylan's move at the finish warranted a penalty, NASCAR's Elton Sawyer said, we always hear where's the line? I would say that the last lap was awful close to the line. If anything rises to a level, we feel we need to penalize. We'll do that on Tuesday. TJ, spot on, spot off. Spot to unpack there. Yeah, I'm, I'm spot on.

I know that I don't think that's something that you make you can call right then. I think you need to go back and look at it, which kind of, which we all hate. You need to go back and look at what? Everything. You got to look at what all played out right there. I mean, they're not going to, I mean, what cars tour took a few days, a couple days, right? No. They made that call in the moment.

I thought they, a couple days was the Lapsovich disqualification. Oh, that's right. Maybe that's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, you're right. Millington got disqualified immediately. I don't know, man. I think. So you don't think in today's world that you can announce this finish is under review.

We are not declaring a winner yet. And then they take five minutes. you don't think they can make a decision. You think they need a Tuesday to do that. I think that five minutes is going to seem like an hour. You think they need 40 hours. I don't think. It shouldn't take it.

It shouldn't take five minutes. Yeah. I mean, if the decision is he won, then it's, even if it's a penalty. It should be, it should go.

That was too much. The win is not changing. That's a fact. No. So that's a fact. But if the win is not changing, the rest doesn't matter. Unless they hammer you with something.

Unless they hurt you were in the playoffs or something, which still at that point, from his scenario, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. Even if he's just finished, even if they just give him a 5,000 point penalty in the playoffs, he's still gaining 10 to 15 spots. You say you may get hurt in the playoffs,

but I mean, this is pretty similar. You're essentially removing somebody who should be in it. Yeah. At this point. Well, you're not removing it from the playoff. He's still in the playoff. He's still taking up a spot. Right.

He's taking up that spot. But you can't tell the Patriots. All right. You're in the playoffs, but you start the first game minus 14 points. Why not? They've taken playoff points before for people. I just don't think you take

playoff points that don't exist. Well, first of all they rarely penalize the Patriots. Okay, if you take his playoff points for the win. No, I'm saying, but they penalize guys playoff points for the, for infractions. I'm saying if you, okay, you get the win, you playoff eligible, you lose your playoff points. So now you're minus five points. No, they've taken, they've taken Tanner. I think it was Byron got up, like when they had them penalty, I swear to God, when they had them penalties, like, tech penalties.

Yeah. lost 10 playoff points. Wait, so you just started playoffs and you lost 10 points. They got them back. Oh, maybe they got them back. They got them back. They still penalized them. They, uh, they,

was that the louvers? Yeah, they, they give them all their points and wins and all that back. But they, they find them a big amount of money. I don't know. So that's definitely not, it's not a,

not an ideal scenario. I think the biggest thing for me, and Joey, I get it. Joey has every right to be pissed off. Chicken, call, whatever. Same way,

William Byron had every right to be pissed off of Joey when Joey, punted him through the fence a couple years ago at Darlington. So like it is what it is. That was kind of a similar move. Similar. Very, very, very, very similar. Denny's,

Denny's comments kind of hit home with me a little bit more because, and I didn't see all of Denny's comments. I saw like the one that I picked up on was talking about, I mean, we're supposed to be the standard center. You know, like we're supposed to be the highest form of also auto racing in the country at least. And,

and what message does this send to the kids that are watching at home, you know, the young kids coming up, go carts, whatever it is, the short tracks. The short tracks are doing a better job of policing this than we are on TV. And you're watching this race at home as a 15-year-old kid that's running a late model, some local racetrack. And you see Austin Dillon just go in there and play a video game and wreck the leader. And then when the other guy passes him, wreck him to, I mean, you would do that on a video game to try and racing your buddies and laugh about it.

We see it every week, some video from I racing with guys doing this. So it just sets a horrible example for the guys that you're, We're supposed to be the ones that set the standard. We're supposed to be the ones everybody looks up to do it the right way. And we're not. It's a free for all right now. It's lawlessness. Like nobody there's,

and I get it. This is what we've painted. This is what we've made this sport to be. This is what they want. I raise it actually suspends you. The problem is if this is what we want, then we might as well open it up down there too and let everybody like what's, why is, why is this not a win at Riverhead Raceway, but it's a win at Richmond. Because they don't have the budgets. these guys have and they don't have the safety standards that these guys have.

Like I said earlier in the show, if you're going to be mad at somebody. Oh, a thousand percent, right. You got to be mad at NASCAR because that's the tone they've said. Here was my favorite part of Joy Lugano's quote. He talked about getting wrecked and then he had the opportunity to defend. And then he went up there and he even wrecked Denny. Okay, well, you wrecked Denny at California and broke his back. So I don't think you got that much sympathy for Denny.

Y'all like y'all like each other. Y'all don't like each other. Yeah, they were just using each other for example. Oh, 100%. But I don't think Denny ever said anything about Joe. Danny made a lot of really bad points. He's like, there's a line and it's invisible. Wow.

Well, there's no line. There is no line. How can you say there's a line? They don't penalize anybody except for poor late rigs. That's not really true. We got panelists for a line. Elton said there's a line. I know.

But my point is when you say it's awfully close to the line, what else do you have to do? What more can you do than what he did right there? honestly well Bubba did Chase I meant to Larson and what Chase did to he did that he did it to Danny

he did the same thing he just didn't have an extra race track to go up hit the wall head on it was a shorter trail so do you think he keeps away and gets suspended a race I think if you're going to be consistent I don't think they will

because what they're going to say is Bubba and Chase did it retaliatory and that was hated the moment racing that's the only thing they could say that makes it any different but if you're going to be consistent, I think a right hook is a right hook no matter what, at what time. That's the worst thing you can do in the sport.

I said it when Bubba did it. I said it when Chase did it. You know, that's the worst thing you can do. His intent was to stop Danny from getting by him. By any means necessary. His intent was to make contact. Yes. Same thing with the other guys. The intent's the same.

You're trying to hit the other guy's car to, whether you're trying to wreck him or stop them, you're still trying to hit the other guy's car. The result is the same. If you're not suspending them because they retaliate, you're suspending them because it's dangerous and somebody can get hurt. well there's no difference than if it's retaliatory or if it's in the heat of the moment somebody can still get hurt and you've got to take that out of the sport and you've got to do whatever you can to do that what if then he gets hurt right there he might be hurt

I mean what I'm saying what if he gets hurt what I mean now there's going to be penalties there has to be penalties I don't know what they are but something has to happen you can't let you can't just go ah boys have at it like I don't think you could that this is not one of them situations. If he went in there and just dumped the 22, I'm good with it. But when you hook somebody in the fence like that at an angle like that, which we've seen so many people get hurt in the sport doing, you know, that's where the, that's the line. I think that should be, that should be the line. That's where the line gets crossed. And if that's, and I don't know where the line is. I don't know. I don't know what you can do. I'm not sure that. That's the

best comment of the whole weekend. The line is invisible. That's the problem. I don't I kind of like the line about the soft. We should run the reds everywhere. The discretionary part here is the problem. It has to be written stating if you take this action and we deem it unsafe to another competitor and it appears to be intentional on our behalf, we are taking action. And if you don't have that kind of language, I said during the show, there's no rule against it. No.

This is just like indie, discretionary. It's totally discretionary. It's no different than the road course race where track limits were enforced one lap and not the next. Same thing. And it's hard. I get it. I get how hard it is. But when you have this invisible line, you're making it harder on yourself.

Put on, spot off. The Talladega race is moving to the semi-final round of the NASCAR playoffs. T.J. Kevin Harbick pushed for this. Yeah. It's the, it's the second of last race. What round was it when he calls that big wreck? I think the same word's at now, the second race around.

I think he was saying, yeah. Rick my got him. Trevor Bain. No, it was the not. Should that have been a cutoff? Yeah, it was a last race. It was a cutoff race. You think that was intentional?

Yeah. Twice. Should that have been a penalty to him? Yes. The worst part is we did it once. We got a restart. And I said, Trevor, he's going to do it again. And he did it again.

Dude, he tied it perfect. He did a damn good job. This has been going on for decades. Trevor was so mad. He said, gosh, dang it. Oh,

he almost cussed. He probably said a quick prayer to ask him for forgiveness. Anyway, back to the topic. I'm sorry. What was the topic? Oh, Talladega. Moving.

It's, I'm fine with it. I don't, I like the fact that there's a plate race drafting track. whatever you want to call them now in the playoffs. I don't love that there's one that's going to decide the final four. You know, it's just... At least it's not a cutoff.

But I would rather it be a cutoff. I would rather not be a cutoff. I'd rather it be the cutoff of the second round than the second race in the third round because look what it's done for Daytona. Everybody loves the fact that Daytona is the regular season cutoff because you could get that surprise winner. You're going to have guys in that second round that you might have somebody that's way out of it in the point.

know, rectified. Austin Dillon is great at those tracks. Imagine if you want. There's a big difference. Daytona, everyone's still eligible for a win of Daytona. Like you could be 30th,

fifth in points and you're still eligible. And you're going to go for that yourself. Whenever you get into the playoffs, as you get deeper into the playoffs, there's more guys that are knocked out. And then you got, you know, more teammates to help. So what's the problem?

I don't think. It makes no difference then if your teammates are helping, if the teammates are already in there, helping you at Daytona. but I would rather it not be the final. Like I feel like it not being the cutoff race is not going to be as cutthroat. It's still going to be. Why, we want to cutthroat?

As a fan sitting at home, do you want to watch Talladega be the cutoff race or the Roval? Neither. Well, that's my point. Now, round two, the Roval is the cutoff race. And Talladega is the second and last one. I'd much rather, Daytona has been a hit. Obviously, the way the schedule worked out this year, it's not the cutoff race. It's going back to the playoffs.

Regular season cutoff next year. Yeah, because you can get a waiver and get in still if you win that race. Here's my favorite thing about it. A lot of our popular drivers are also really good super speedway racers. And when you look at Chase Elliott is to Ryan Blaney's Kislauski's Bubba, great great play super speedway racer, Denny. Like a lot of our big names are good super speedway racers. In the South and the fall, the biggest thing going on is college football.

And I feel like putting this game seven moment at this point in the playoffs in the the South is a good thing. Well, the problem is not a game. This is, it's not. I know, but it's going to feel like one. Yeah. It's going to, it's going to have win in your end. Oh, there's going to be guys that are.

It's going to be, man, a stage point's a big deal right here. You know, it's going to have a game seven moment at the end of every stage and the second half of the third stage, in my opinion. Yeah. I like it. You like it in the last round? Yeah. There was other schedule news I heard this week.

I think it's pretty much confirmed. Oh, no. Rockingham is. back. Oh, for not for the cup cars. Not for the cup cars. Exfinity and Tru, Arca, Xfinity truck Easter weekend. Friday, Saturday show, no Sunday.

Awesome. Awesome for the fans that there's going to be 38 straight weeks of racing. That is awesome. With no brakes. Maybe not so awesome. Which means we'll probably be a, well, maybe not so awesome. Maybe not so awesome. Maybe not so awesome for the spotters.

Well, the spotters don't have a spot. I don't, I don't know who I'm spot for a truck and Xfinity yet, And you can hear me now on Dormone Clear on whatever today's date is August 12th. I will not be at Rocky Ham next year. I don't blame me. Cool racetrack though. I just hope people show up. And I mean, to that point, talking about Xfinity of Rockham, just Conor Zillich popped up in my head.

And I kind of look at that announcement as, man, track house may be smartest cup team right now in the garage in terms of developing talent because you look at SVG, right? They own the rights to him. They put him in a colleague Xfinity car. He goes out, wins three races. They own the rights to Connor Zillich. They're going to farm him out to junior motorsports, where I would expect him to go out and contend to win races, especially with SVGs exit potentially in that series, right?

So track house should get a shout out here because it's expensive to own an Xfinity Series team. I mean, to go out and compete, it's millions and millions of dollars. Plus, if you were going to get in that business, you'd have to do the startup cost to go with it. Where are they going now? All those guys, you mentioned? Well, Suarez's only got a one-year deal.

All right, there's one. What about the other ones? I don't know. I got charters. I think it's worth mentioning here that teams like Hendrick Motorsports are signing some of these young guys and they're farming them out and trying to put them in good positions to get experience, but they've got their claws on them.

It's been a while since we've seen that, especially with the transition of the Xfinity series, has turned completely into, you have to bring money in order to get this seat. Whether y'all like it or not, it's how it is. And the more money you have, if Jeff Burton had $6 million instead of $2 million, he'd be at Gibbs instead of where he's at. So the more money you have, the better a seat you get. And what's eventually going to happen is that same model is going to transition into

cup if we don't get these cup owners more money coming in. Because it's a double-edged short right here with this streaming deal and the new TV deal. like in order for people to sell sponsors, you have to have ratings. And in order to have ratings, our ratings are higher when they're on network versus cable. And we know that. So you're making it more and more challenging for these owners to raise money, which is why this charter agreement has to get done and you've got to give these owners some relief, or everything that you see in the Xfinity series right now, 12, 15 years from now,

it's going to be the same way in cut. Do you agree with that? Yeah. So, Brett, you being in the sponsorship world, how are you trying to sell sponsorship to Xfinity Series when you don't know what ratings will be? It's hard. You have to look at a lot of different elements.

I mean, obviously you're getting an ambassador for your brand. You're looking at engagement on social media. You're looking at activation at the track. There's a lot of different tools that you have to put into the bucket to make it have value. But the cost are too damn high in Xfinity series. And the reality is the driver has to have money with him now. And most of the time, it's not sponsorship money. It's family money.

That's not good. The thing that I found interesting going through some of the rumors we've been hearing, it's essentially, I won't name the teams, but one of the major Xfinity teams, it costs the same to run that car for a year as it does to run a fairly competitive cup car at a fairly competitive cup team for a year. Like, it's not maybe it's not a winning cup card recently, but, you know, It's the same price. Like, how can that, how can that be?

Well, more driver swap news. Over the summer break, Spire Mother Sports announced Corey Lerjoy would not be returning to the number seven next season. Freddie. Yeah, spot off for Corey, unfortunately. He's been talking about TJ for about three months. Maybe there's just a little bit of karma coming back to him. But I think this was a situation where

this was I seen Brett or somebody tweeted something about musical chairs there was three drivers in the mix and two seats and I think that Corey didn't do himself any favors the last month or so just performance wise and kind of I mean he had some issues in qualifying a couple weeks in a row

clipping the wall and I think that maybe one of the other guys that was potentially on the chopping block went out in one race so that that all of a sudden kind of upset the Apple car a little bit. And, you know, I think you hear Justin Haley's name mentioned a lot around this. And, you know, that's, that's probably a likely candidate to replace him.

But I don't think it's for certain that he's getting in that car. Right. Man, I thought Jeff Dickerson's quote about, you know, years, a few years ago, we didn't even have cars. And then our biggest goal after we got cars was just to get to the racetrack. and then our goal was to go out and run the laps and now our goal is to be more competitive and win races and nothing against Corey Lejoy here

but this couldn't have come at a worst time for his career like I think the timing for him is just absolutely awful but nothing is Corey but I don't think he's ever won a race in a NASCAR touring division. Arka and K&N but I don't consider that you know NASCAR top series you know I want to look at that I look at the top three touring series yet and you got to win man i mean there's a lot of drivers right now

that they've got to win austin dillon felt like he had to win and and cori's been in a position to win races and i think there's some tracks that he does a good job and and i've heard he's knocked on some cup doors and and the numbers they've thrown out that they need funding is is a lot more than what he has so hopefully he gets in a position where he can run races i mean i even heard one remember that he was talking to junior motorsports he goes there i think he went you know and and you got to win races and if you can't win races you're not going to have a chance to stay in the cup series let me ask you this i think i think his two best options through the rumor mill is the the 51 at rickware or maybe potentially full-time in the 19 truck because

eczis is out um what would you advise i mean i in my opinion like to your point i think if you get in the 51 car it's just a continuation of what you've been doing you know you you you know you're just hoping to run well where if you get that 19 truck you can win damn near every race. How old is Corey? I would say probably 30. If I had earning that, I'd look it up. So would you rather make a million dollars or would you rather make $200,000?

That's the thing. Would you rather have a chance to win or would you hope that on your very best day you run top 10? Do you bet on yourself like John Hunter that if you can make a million, do you, or do you go down and make $200,000 and win races in hopes of getting, you know, John Hunter's at front row goes down there, dominates the truck series for. I don't think he won a championship, but he won a bunch of races. And then got the opportunity with Toyota to get in the legacy car and probably make way more than he was making your front row. So, you know, that's the thing that are you willing to bet on yourself and go down there and win?

Like, as to your point, we talked to Ryan Priest talked about this, some nobles like, you have to win. You have to win. Whatever you get in, you have to at least contend to win. But even would, would that be the case for a require car where, you know, he's proved, like, I feel like Spire has improved since Corey's been there. same with Justin Haley being in that car right now. He has made that team look great because they're improving. So couldn't Corey do the same if he went to work for? This is where Spire has a, I'm sorry, this is where Rick Ware racing has a lot of pressure on them.

If Justin Haley is leaving and or when Justin Haley leaves. Justin Haley has proven that you can run top 15 all race long at some racetracks. He has proven that you can go out to get top 15 pin at, finishes at some racetracks. That is light years ahead of where they were, even last year. I mean, they were notorious for having cars that were running in the very, very back, along with the B.J. McLeod entry and bringing out cautions late in the race.

That's all going away. Like their rebrand has been extremely successful. And hats off to what, you know, Rick Ware has done and Tommy Ball and Robbie Benton. I mean, everybody over there, they deserve all the credit in the world. But when you look at even like Colleg Racing right now, right? Collie racing was winning Xfinity races, winning Cup races, you know, contending to make playoffs. I mean, I remember Justin Haley, we finished third at Darlington in a collie car. And now they've taken a step back.

Like Rick Ware cannot afford to take a step back from a driver standpoint. Because if they do, everything they just accomplish is going to go out the window. But the bigger question is, you know, what drivers are they looking at? What kind of funding's coming? I mean, it's a hard puzzle to put together. T.J. Yeah, I think, I don't know if there's a lot more to say about it. whatever Corey does, I feel like he needs to win.

He's going to take a step back. He's got to win. If he's going to stay in the cup car, whatever he gets in, he's got to be more efficient maybe as a driver. He's got to be easier on equipment. He's got to be that guy that can be that be that, be that, the veteran guy. because for the while there were inspired he was like he was the guy and yeah and he was supposed to be

the guy that everybody you know oh we need to be like core he does really good job and um but you know if i'm if i'm if i'm cori i'm probably i'm gonna i think if cori went and got into a decent truck or a convenient car i think i think he's good enough that he would he would win races so i think we know every week being in the industry what expectations are realistic for every single car number. And when you go out there and you watch that 21 car run 30th, that's not the expectation. The expectation is top 18.

When you see Corey Lejoy running top 20, he's meeting his expectation. The problem is, host of ours been running top 20 all year, and him and Zane Smith ain't been irrelevant. I said on this show halfway through the season, he better get his together because all he's doing is wrecking and finishing the last. And you can't. You cannot gain experience.

You can't get faster. You can't build your notebook. look, you can't improve, right? So Corey went backwards for whatever reason. And I don't know why that is. But it's also, man, it's, this is, I told my family last night, outside of hitting a baseball in the major league, being a competitive race car driver in the NASCAR cup series is the hardest job in the world. Because you're depending upon an amazing group of people around you from the front office at your shop,

all the way up to the guys that touch your race car, those guys. and gals. You need to have an amazing engineer. You have to have an amazing crew chief who understand strategy, can call the race, can make your car fast. You've got to have a good spotter in your year, keeping you calm, helping you make good decisions. And oh, by the way, you've got to know what it takes to make your cargo faster. Go out and execute at 200 miles an hour. There is nothing harder in all of professional sports than being a damn good NASCAR Cup Series driver. I'll die on that hill because I've lived with them. I've been buddies with them. And I know how hard it is and how much pressure it is. It's insane. Look up, I mean, look at Bubba Wallace. The guy's crying. Next thing

you know is like, I'm trying to have fun. And then boom, he gets his attitude right. And look at what they've done in a point since he said him and Kevin Harvick had a long talk. Like, you can't imagine how hard it is this. And I know people are like, well, you got a dream job. Yes, 1,000 percent. I have a dream job. So do they. That don't mean it in hard. Yeah. Agreed. We come back for the break. We'll check in with y'all's calls on reaction theater. Now it's time for our favorite segment reaction theater where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction theater is brought to you every week by Consumer Cellular. Consumer Cellular has the same fast, reliable nationwide coverage is leading carriers,

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promotional details. Jay, let's go to the calls. Hell yeah, boys. Hey, I'm a Carolina Panthers fan. I'm used to be in 32nd best. And now a fucking chance at the championship. This is exactly what we needed, right? I mean, the championship's

legitimate, right? It's perfect. The one, he's not winning the championship. But he does have a shot at it. I don't think they're going to put the 0-16 Panthers in the playoffs or 0-18. We're going to f*** how many games they play now. I don't think anybody in the playoffs right now will let him. I think that there is a lot of happy people in the playoffs

that Austin Dillon won that race last night. That's one less guy that they have to worry about, in my opinion. I agree with you on in terms of speed. But, I mean, TJ talks about here all the time, peeking at the right time. And, man, they might be peeking right here. Maybe they are. It's too early.

Still three weeks left. What's on, you pack of? This is dope. I just want to say I absolutely loved every second of it. I don't care what Lugano says. He won every time he gets dumped. I'm not a fan of Hamlin. Absolutely loved to finish.

The race was all right, but it was good to see all Hamlet get dumped and Lugano. The only thing I guess I've got to say is Coca-Cola racing family sure is dysfunctional. Holy shi them boys need some family counseling or something. I was thinking about that. And what made me think about it is Chase was running a. Coca-Cola scheme, which you don't see happen a lot within the family, the family of drivers. But when Joy was MF and him, and I was like, they're in a Coke family together. This photos shoot next year.

Pre-season should go well. Gloom despair, agony on me. If they weren't for bad luck, Joe and Denny would have no luck at all. So gloom despair, agony on me. Love seeing the three back in Victory Lane. Love, love, love. Cry baby Denny, Freddie. Take it.

Cry baby Denny got wrecked. Joey, ask this hard track, they got knocked around. Man, y'all quit y'all's crying. It's short track, Craig. Somebody's going to wreck somebody. Austin comes in and does it.

Well, good for him. Good for them knocking the Toyota's out. Love it, love it, love it. You want to talk about the I Don't Give a F*** tour? Austin Dillon is on the I Don't Give a F*** tour. Wrecking Joey and Denny for the win to get into the playoffs. Talk about us. Don't get a f***.

That was the Holy President. The Hail Melon, that was like the hail grandson. Like, I don't know

what the hell you call that. What do you call that? I mean, I love how they outlawed the hail melon immediately, but this is okay. We'll just let this ride.

What a joke. Now I know why I don't watch an house car anymore because this is all it is. Let's just drive over with somebody and wreck them

because we need to get into the playoffs. Or when they get in shit. A fuck joke. There was no, talent there whatsoever Who can we kill to get the win?

May the sting of 1,000 fire ants descend upon Austin Dylan's crotch for making me agree and feel bad for Joey Legano and Denny Hamlin Are those piss ants?

Yeah, those piss ants. Fight the piss at you. Yeah. Was that Tim's? Have we heard from Tim's. Tim's okay. Has anybody done a wellness check on Tim's this morning? All right.

Just check. What happens? Tim's lost a bet. He had Joe, he had Denny Ham on the win for like plus 600 or something like that. So he's got, did you see his video? He's got a live reaction.

He's watching the race and he's like, damn, like he's hoping. He's seeing this play out. And he's like, man, hopefully Dylan gets into him and knocks him out of the way and then he's got a shot.

So then they're coming down a backstretch and he's like, he's like, damn. He's not going to, he's not close enough. He's not, he hit him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he hooks me like, you fuck.

What do you think happens real quick here if the rolls were reversed? What do you mean? Like if Danny did that? No, yeah. What if something happens is a three when he was leading a race from, you know. Oh, pop pop up going on. Seven car lanes back. I don't, I mean, you made a valid point earlier in the show.

I don't think a lot of guys will make the move awesome to it because I don't think there's a lot of guys that are that desperate. But I think he's that desperate. Like I, and I don't blame him. I mean, it's pressure. Yeah. But do you think they handle it as well as, you know, not saying that it was handled very well, but like, do you think, you know, they get out like Denny and have a, no, I don't think that happens. I don't know. There's a lot of watchholding and everything going on. I, I threw a sledgehammer at Kevin Harvick one time, didn't he? Like on pit road in a truck race? I remember when he wrecked tie? Yeah. I mean, I will say, I will say. Welcome North Carolina redneck announces what to do.

I will say of all the sports. This is the one sport. that will get immediate reactions from drivers like Joey Logano and Denny right when they got to the car. I mean, if I'm leaving the race and you wrecked me, you're probably going to get a reaction next. Because, like, I mean, other sports, you were going to get PR, like, drilled. I mean, if Del June touches me and I racing, I send him down pit road. I mean, like, Lauren Wallace.

Story ends the same way. Absolute, f*** disgrace of a finish. Austin Dylan would have had his first legitimate win. in the Cup series, but then he has to go and pull some of the biggest chicken I've seen in years. Good Lord, and he should be suspended for right rearing Denny Hamlin to the wall.

And you hear Danny Hamlet say he popped his shoulder out. So that's a suspension of my book for both this God's fucking win. I think I don't disagree with you about suspension, but I don't think it has any precedent to revoke any wins. I just don't see him doing that. I don't, I mean, I think there's a, Elton wouldn't rule it out last night, but I mean, there's less than 1% chance.

I think that they take the win away. But I mean, and to his point, like, I don't, I'd have to go back and look at all of them. But Austin's wins, when he says first legitimate win, like, you think about the Daytona 500, he kind of turns Amarola. The second day, he doesn't kind of turn him. The second Daytona win was when he had Redick back to everybody wrecked and he had Redick back there blocking for him. You know, there's only like 10 cars left in the race.

And like the whole top five was landing castle and B's, all them guys. Charlotte. Charlotte was a fuel mileage race, right? He wasn't running good and they got off sequence and just timed it out. So, I mean, I mean, grabbed credit. Every win's a great win, but, you know, to, like this was going, this was going to be probably the best night of his career and turned into maybe the

worst night of his career. The part that bothers me the most about it is it still could have been. Yeah. He had the opportunity to nail that restart, get the lead. And I honestly don't think Joey messes with him. I've seen. I don't think Joey messes with him. I saw the racing analytics guy that always tweets stuff about restarts.

And he had tweeted something during the race that nobody has lost more positions on restarts this year than Austin Dillon. Yeah. And I don't, with Joey already having a win, yeah. I mean, if they're side by side, maybe they bump doors. But I don't. Joey's smart enough to know that in Austin's position that if he messes with him bad, like Austin is probably going to make his playoffs really bad. And Joey said it. I think in his pre-post race was like I didn't even, it's not like I backed up my entry, you know,

like playing and saying, he's like, I drove in there knowing, you know, he's probably, you know, he's going to try to get to my bumper. But Austin had a chance to do it legit. Well, those are some great calls. Don't forget, 704802-9572 is our number. Leave us a message anytime. Consumer Seller is the official wireless partner of Brad Keselowski, RFK racing, and the six car. They can count on consumer seller.

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This first question is from Matt. Does the finish at Richmond make NASCAR reevaluate their win and in system for the playoffs? Brett. I won't listen. I was looking at my DBC pick. What did you say? Freddie. Matt wants to know,

does the finish at Richmond make NASCAR reevaluate their win and in system for the playoffs? Nope. Now, this is exactly what they're going. Yeah, this is exactly why it was made. Yeah. Nope. because if we didn't have that system, everyone's going to point race, every race,

and you're just going to, there's no. There's no different. There's no urgency to do that. There's no guys putting different tires on last night of different times. What about the having to be top 30 points? I mean, it would come in handy right now for them,

but I don't, I don't know. It's just, it is what it is. We're not changing rules because somebody went very aggressive. Went, when Haywire. No.

The next one is from, Gary, knowing that retribution is coming, how should Austin Dillon prepare for the payback? Denny Hamlin and Joey Lugano are planning for it. How do we? I don't know that they are. They're not going to do anything. I mean, you're not going to get into a pissing match with Austin Dillon because he can hurt you a hell of a lot more than you can hurt him.

You know, he's going to, if they continue to run like they've run all year, he's going to be a first round elimination. So you don't have, you're not going to have to, you don't have to, now if they come to a point where it's, they're in the they're battling for the final four or the final eight and they're racing each other for points yeah maybe you see them do something but you're not you're not going to start a war with a guy that you don't plan on racing racing these two guys are these two guys are way smarter than that terry wants to know here back up back up terry if you're surprised connor zillich got the call up to run the 88 for jrm and expedity and bypass racing full-time in trucks uh no yeah i'm not I don't think bypassing the trucks is a bad thing.

Yeah, I was trying to get him to say that on the show last week or a couple weeks ago, whatever that was, because I knew this was coming. You know, this is the place, if you're a talented young race car driver, you're going to be able to show that off more in the Xfinity series and you are the truck series, a thousand percent.

So, you know, this is, this is, if you're, we've talked about on here, Brett, we've known, TJ, we both talked about, you know, the truck series right now might prepare you a little bit better for how the racing is in the Cup series. but to get to the Cup Series. If you're good, you're going to figure it out. To get to the Cup Series, you've got to show that you're talented

and the place where you're going to show your talent more is the Xfinity series. The racing is more about the driver, I feel like, and they see any cars, you've got to, it separates, it separates the drivers more. And if you can drive, you can separate yourself in that group more, other than trucks where it's a wide open, you rip each other's doors off in turn one and see where you end up. There's going to be a lot of new names next year and really fast cars in the Xfinity series.

That Xfinity series, you talk about musical chairs. I mean, there's the whole JGR full-time driver lineups out, right? I mean, there's a whole new lineup coming in over there. Yeah. J.R.M. Half their gym is going to be different. Then guys are going, you know, you hear Creed's name tied to the Haas team a lot now. you know the gray kid probably jrm or jr swalich kid probably moving over there maybe somebody going back over there

that used to be over there what do you mean close proximity yeah uh you know that that echis we've heard echis rumis to colleague this week say i heard sanchise is going his finney racing i don't know where that is which all that tells me is cori heim's going to win about 18 truck races next year No kidding. It might be the Coreyheim Truck Series. It's going to be Coreyheim versus Majesky and Grant essentially at this point, it seems like. But yeah, so there's a lot of going on in that Xfinity series. A lot.

But it's all honestly, though, it's we are going to have a group of young, talented drivers racing against each other. And that's what it's there for. And I think it's we're all going to win from that as far as like the product they put on. I think the Xfinity series, like the playoffs is it like because you see good. good guys miss the playoffs there. What's the cut line right now? I know it's Brandon Jones is around there, Sieg's around there.

Yeah. It's close. It's close. And those are good guys that run up front weekly. You know, that's what the series, that's what the cut lines should be. There should be guys missing it that shouldn't miss it.

You know, I don't knock on wood, I'm not talking ourselves around the playoffs here. But, you know, uh, you know, that's what I like their model a lot better than ours. Well,

we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll hear who our idiots of the week are. What an idiot. I thought I was going to have to give it a Redick again. I thought Reddick finished second to another first time winner this year. And I was going to have to find him and kill him. But luckily for him, the caution came out with he was still in third.

So he's off the hook slightly for this one. I wanted to give it to RC for trying to cover up the fact that they said wreck him on the radio, not knowing this is 2024 and we can go pull that stuff live. And then saying that somebody hacked in there and edited the audio post radio. post race. But I had to give it to my old buddy Tommy Neal from Bowman Gray Stadium. Elliot Sadler asked me to bring this up again because we were going back and forth on Facebook about it the other day. It's just, you know, this guy, there's a great playoff, a point race going on between Zach Orr and Chase Robertson, Mike Robertson, a good buddy of mine.

They're like a couple points apart. They race around each other all race wrong. And this guy's out there. I don't know what the hell he's getting black flag for, but he stops on the race track, he brings out of yellow. Then he does it again. Then he parks his car on the front. He's running into the pace car under yellow. And he parks his car on the front stretch, gets out. He's flipping off the tower, trying to fight the crowd. Like, get the racetrack. Why do they let that guy race there?

I don't know. He's a fight. And the thing is that kills me. He's an unbelievable race. He's like one of the legends of Bowman. He's a five-time champion. A legend of the sport there. And I can understand if some dumb young kid is doing this, like throw him out.

But like this is a veteran. I mean, he's, I don't know how old he is. He's older. A multi-time champion. And you just look like a f***. He was the one that took the most exception earlier in a year when I said they were a bunch of clowns when I was going out of with Dillner on the Reloaded show.

And he's the biggest clown of them all. So I guess maybe I heard his feelings because he knows he's the guilty party. But it's just idiotic, as always. I shouldn't say as always because they've been way better this year. You haven't seen a lot of viral clips from Bowman Gray. And what I will say this, and I said it on Facebook, he was riding around the bottom. I don't know if he was getting ready to pay somebody back

or what he was, he was riding around slow on the bottom. what they did was they threw the yellow and threw him off the racetrack before. Because in years past, they would have just let him right around there until somebody called him. Whoever he wanted to wreck, he would have wrecked him. Then it would have been a fight. There would be cops out there. They threw the yellow and threw him off the racetrack before it got to that point. So credit to the officials for that.

Dan, so that's what that's got to show on. Throwing the yellow down the back. Put it out. We know what's getting ready to happen here. The biggest idiot of the weekend is not even up for debate. It's whoever calls the wreck in front of the leader with two laps to go, whether it's ten house or whether it's priests, whoever's the most at Fawkes.

I think they both played a role in it. They're both idiots. I'm not calling him an idiot if he did it on purpose. I'm still calling him an idiot. If he did that on purpose, I'm not calling him an idiot. What do you call him? That's smart.

What if it worked out for him, dude? He's waking up the day like he looked like Kermit drinking his tea, man. Yep. I can't remember. I have to go back and look because R.C. said some about Ricky, right? Like, after that too, like he'd kick his ass or I don't remember.

I remember there was something. Richard said something about Ricky. He better not tear up my race cars. It was essentially what he said. Yeah. T.J. I was going to go with that one. Same as Brad.

I really don't. I didn't watch much racing or watch anything on social much this weekend. A lot of it was Olympic still. And I'm disappointed that I didn't see you in the breakdancing competition. Dude, the chick that won to Australia. I'm going to claim to be a female and just go waller around on the floor. If you went to Australia. because you can be the Australian champion.

Absolutely. Yeah, I saw that one. Can you show me? You know what you do right over? You can beat them, I think. I agree. The one thing that was impressed me, I think you should try because I know how much you love moonwalking.

Yeah. Did you see them girls moonwalking underwater? Synchronized swimming. You should try that. I can't do that. I think half of us are hoping you drown. I'm already swallowing water just making up. You're not going to use you have an Australian accent.

Why do you use it right? Mate. Go down under, mate. Oh my God. All right. DBC picks. Suarez. Are you first?

Me first. Choiriz. Where are we even going? Congrats on winning, Casey. Thank you. With 14th, Josh Berry. Yeah, thanks. I'll take it.

Freddie, you're next. He took that. I will take Cindric. Oh, that works out for you like it did for me. Oh, man. I'm just going to swing for the fans here, man, I'll just take

HostVar. Casey, who you got left? What are you doing? Defending winner. I can't remember who I picked because I had Syngu first. We're most likely not going to see you next week, right? I don't know. I hope not. I don't see how it's possible. Same. I don't know either.

Like, you're pregnant as shit right now. You look like me. Do you need to know who you have, Casey? Because I can just read off names. No, I need to know who I was going to pick. Okay, fine. I'll just take John Hunter. All right. John Hunter.

We're not at the bottom of the barrel, but we're in the middle of the barrel. We're hoping for like 18th right here. Yeah, I mean, we're getting rough here, man. It's bad. Michigan's a cool place, fun racetrack. Hopefully it widens out for y'all. I'll be watching on TV. I'm actually off to Fresno, California,

as soon as we're done here to go to meet the almond man, a big almond farmer out there in Fres. The almond brother? The almond man. No. Almond brothers. are they they got to be 112

I think one of them just passed away oh breast and peace God speak Casey tomorrow what Freddy's birthday have the baby tomorrow

oh it's work with Chad schedule and then it's Frederica it's Freddy's birthday week it is yes happy birthday thank you Brett's going to California Doug lives in Charlotte

not to hang out Megan this week she'll be happy she'll be happy I think we're going to go I'm not saying where we're going on. Wait a minute. TJ might show up.

Is your birthday the same as one day off? So Herm's having a party on my birthday and I'm having a party on her. And I'm out of town on Herm's birthday. They invited me to, yeah. All right. You're not as old as Herm, though. No. Herm's big number this year.

Damn. Where are you at? You got to be close. Halfway. Halfway. Yeah. I'm close. Are you next year? Next year.

Yeah. You're not quite as gray as Herm is. No. Mine turned loose. his hair turns gray my hair turns loose but anyway thank you all for listening fun show

if you're about hurt I don't care just like I also do no care I don't even unless they kick him out of the sport tomorrow you don't give a shit like they said we got a new train driver of a tour

don't give a tour is rolling on back on we out we're out howl have a great week word check out dirty mode media

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