Door Bumper Clear - 343 | Michigan Recap & Kyle Larson’s New Nickname

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, and TJ Majors are joined by Karsyn Elledge on this week’s show to recap a rain-delayed Michigan race. Was NASCAR’s decision to throw the late-race caution at Michigan for Martin Truex Jr. the right call? Is Tyler Reddick the new championship favorite? What did the guys think of Corey LaJoie’s backstretch flip? The crew also reacts to last week’s penalty announcements for Austin Dillon, Joey Logano and Brandon Benesch. We discuss Kyle Larson’s public statements on his skill compared to F1’s Max Verstappen. Plus, you won’t want to miss a hilarious Consumer Cellular Reaction Theatre segment, where Kyle Larson is granted an epic new nickname.21+ and present in North Carolina. Opt in req. Wager requirements apply. Bonuses awarded as nonwithdrawable bonus bets or profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including bonus expiration. See terms and conditions at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. No good. Buy one. Don't ever drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's right. Wait, that just because T.J. planned it that way. Ball three, one of the eight outback.

Keep up in time here. You come in a lot of three. Model three, why? It's hard to get locked. I mean, seriously. Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Sure. Bopper.

Clear. So there, bumper. Pumper. Clear, clear, clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major. spot of the sixth cup of car. We ran the 88th this weekend,

had a good run until the last half mile. And yeah. You didn't do ARCA? Oh, I did do ARCA with Andy J. We just forgot about him. Dude, it's been like a week. Sorry. Brett Griffin spotted for the famous number three car this weekend of Michigan,

Austin Dillon. Also had my boy Jesse love and how loved spotting for Jesse. He didn't love to finish. Nope. Because he didn't listen. If he listened, we didn't finish good. it. Is that true? No, not really. He thought he had a flat.

Oh, is that way you pit? Yeah. Oh, I got you. Hey, what's up? Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Kyle upside down, C, this week. That's always a good feeling when you're spotting and your car's flying to the air upside down. That's, that means you really doing your job. I think Casey finally has had enough of us and to fill in for Casey today. Hi, Carson. Hi, I'm Carson And it's another great week I get to spend with y'all. You guys get to be blessed with my presence. So this should be fine. I think we want you to stick around for just a little while. We'll see how this goes. We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot of questions. Are we interviewing you or are you interviewing us? I think we're going to interview her at some point because there's a lot that went on this weekend. To be determined. We'll say. Carson, what have you been up to lately? What are you doing these days? Black flagging people. I'm not in the tower or the flag stand. I'm just on pit road. No, we've had a crazy

scheduled this summer with car stores. We've been pretty busy, but I'm busy on Mondays and Tuesdays with penalties lately as well. So I feel like we understand NASCAR a lot at this moment with all that that's going on. So we've been crazy. So are you doing like the tour full-time? Yeah. So I handle all of their marketing and partnership management and then all the social media and digital content. That's also. Who's your boss? Kip, I guess, right? Kip's your boss? Kip and Keeley. It's just the three of us. I mean, we really, that's your cars tour staff, is me. Kipp and Keeley. That's a really really questionable management staff. You have to have a name that starts with a letter K to work at the car store. Well, our intern's name is Kevin also. So maybe.

Is it a keyly that I know? Yes. Awesome. I also have a daughter named Keeley, but it's obviously different. I was going to say, I think you know more than one Keeley. But yeah, it's she looking for a job. So here we are. First time ever post race DVC, I think. I feel like Denny a little a little bit getting this out. I think we beat Danny. I hope we're recording before. Denny's probably already done recording. I doubt it. He probably did. Maybe he did it on his plane. They probably took off from the backstretched. I did any of us have a good day. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, my day ended up. What the hell were you doing on the last restart? Trying not to wreck. I mean, you went to turn one. It stopped.

You have to make the corner. We made the corner fine. Just because everyone else is trying to run over each other. Isn't our problem. Your speed decreased a lot more than everybody else is around you for some reason. I didn't understand why. just because we're all trying to make the exit. And I don't know if you saw the nine speed increase through the exit border there. Blaney mentioned something about that. Yeah, I would say so. He went from a top 10 to like 17th or something like that. So I can't imagine.

You started it. Where'd you finish? No, we didn't. Fifth. Fifth. Yeah. Gotcha. Where'd you finish?

I think 17th. We had a really good stage two. We're on the right side of strategy. And at the end, man, we should have pitted when the 19 hit the wall and brought out the caution. I guess it's debatable whether or not that should have even been a caution. But we were running about 16th then, so we didn't really gain or lose a whole lot. But if we had pitted then, all the guys we had ran around all day, even including TJ, you know, they ended up with top 10 finishes. So that kind of sucks. But I had fun, man. Had a fun weekend. It was good to get back

in the saddle. And honestly, going into Daytona next weekend, it wasn't a bad thing for me to just get back up there and get back acclimated because it's been a few weeks. And you forget how easy it is to not pay attention to all the little things and all the little details, you know, when things are going on. So we've got a lot of responsibility. And I forgot how much. I have good news for you. What? Today's race, or yesterday and today's race was going to be much more crazier than next week will be. Daytona used to be the crazy one. You're good now. We're going to run two by two and have throttle for the whole race next week. So you'll be fine there. I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, he hasn't experienced this yet. No, he's no. And he's like, we're riding to the airport

together tonight after the race is over. And he's, he's just, I don't get it. Why don't somebody, why doesn't somebody just run wide open? I don't understand. Like somebody's somebody should just upset the apple cart. Just be patient. Go for it. You're going to learn all this. I want to see you do it. And I'm afraid my brain is trained to do certain things in the draft.

You know, when that top line's coming or when somebody's got to run and it's like, no, you just give it to them and keep saving fuel. And I'm like, but my brain's not trained for that. Did you say anything dumb today? I say something dumb every day. Are you going to be there next week? You didn't tell me to wreck anybody or nothing like that? Uh-uh. No, I think I'm, I mean, if, you know, God willing, and they don't fire me between now and Friday,

Hopefully it's fun. If you can't say f-on-the-radio, I'm fired because I dropped a few F-bombs today. Why? Oh, that's having fun. That's a sentence. That's a sentence. That's a Tuesday. That's like, we're coming to the fucking green.

Yeah. What was your first, like, oh moment? Oh, what? Like, oh, yeah. Not to beep him out right here. What's your old 12 wide on a restart probably? I didn't have an old fucking moment. I was just like, let's go all day.

Like, I was pumped up. man. Kenny Powers. Let's Yeah, let's come. I mean, there was one time when I said three wide when the 24 square to the middle and I was like, well, ah, I didn't expect him to do that. Three wide you up top and I'm screaming. I'm like, I'm scared myself right now. But no, man, I mean, the restarts in the Cup series at that track are absolutely bonkers.

I feel like they're tame compared to like an exfini restart there. These guys all stay in line when they get to like most of these cup guys are like two by two. They know if they step out. The wolves are going to be all over them. So, well, no, two wide on me getting a one all day. It was wild. And let's talk about the Xfinity series for a minute, right? I love the Xfinity series.

It's my favorite series right now of all the top three touring series. I wish we had run the normal package versus the package that we run. Like, I wish we could literally run the package that they chose to run on Saturday. And then Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening, we line up and run the old one. Because I'd be curious which one I'd like better because it was extremely hard. hard to pass once we got spread out. Yeah. I mean, it was it was hard to pass. It was, I thought it was boring to watch. You know, you're slower than you had like the, I think that the way slow, the, the out the what you look forward to in the Xfinity races are these guys are

on edge more so sometimes than the the cup guys or at least look that way, you know, they, they can, they're able to drive their cars a little more on edge, you know, more skew. You see it. You see it more. Obviously, the guys are on it. The cup guys are on edge as we saw today with two of the best spinning out. But, you know, the, you know, those cars are more fun to watch. So then when you dumb it down, it just looked like a, I don't even know what the hell. It just looked like a slow parade, really. It's a little different than I was expecting.

Honestly, it was, man, they went down a straight over here like, is he? Are they lifting? I thought at times coming out of four, they were pitting. Like they were going run low. They were, yeah, they were slow and run a low. They were still like, you're still on edge, but you didn't have that, um, They just looked slow, but, you know, that's not always a bad thing. You know, you can still have cars on edge.

I mean, they're still doing 170 mile an hour in the corner, whatever. I mean, that's still plenty fast. It was obvious who hit it, right? It was obvious who was trimmed out. I mean, we were running with Jesse, you know, in the number two car right behind pretty much Austin Hill all day. And obviously, RCR has a big reputation of at those kind of, those kind of tracks with this particular package being really fast. And the seven came around us on the right, Bob Blue, our door number off. Yeah.

And then there was another couple cars, you know, some of the JGR cars, the 81. I mean, he was freaking fast and changing lanes. It reminded me of Jamie McMurray like every corner. But it was obvious who had more speed. You know what I mean with that package? And that package shows, you know, it just rewards patience, you know, because it didn't matter how fast your car was. If you got out of line and they were lined up behind you, you might have pulled up next to the guy on the bottom. But he was coming back by you with 10 of his buddies down the back.

straight away because you got because you got out of line. So I think at the beginning of the race, I had Kyle Seek and we obviously benefited, I think, from some guys pit at one point. But we started probably mid-20s and I think we were running sixth or seventh in the first, in the towards the end of the stage. And we really hadn't, I mean, we were passing guys, but only because they got out of line. There was no, like, we weren't really being aggressive at all.

We just let guys make mistakes and go by them or, you know, a couple of guys pit. But yeah, that was something that really rewarded aggression. They're not, like, more patience. Jesus. In the long run, though, like. there was uh we were behind the 20 car and the first slip that we saw him have out front like he had to lift off two a little bit and carson got a pretty good run on him and we weren't really trying to save fuel at that point because we were short so i asked Andrew the crew chief i'm like

should we just decide to save or should we just go around of him and um they had said he started lifting into three because he's fighting some handling he started in the off of two he was lifting a little bit so we're just blew by him and kept on going and um i still think there was some handling issues but you could tell like that's seven like he was fast too so he was fast kind of like today's race which started yesterday obviously we get to that in a second but i felt like yesterday Bubba had probably the fastest car and then today once we fired back up I felt like man that 19 was a freaking rocket and being around some of those guys like they just had way more grip way more speed out of front stretch than we did so it's um it's unfortunate the 19 had the finish that he had or the ending that he had

that would hit the wall. But I thought he screwed Reddick when he hit the wall. Is it not unfortunate that I had a finish? Well, you shouldn't have pitted and got back there and all that. That's the way you win the race. What do we do on here all the time? Win the race? I mean, yeah, you needed to win.

But I mean, you forfeited track position for tires and hopes that you would come back up through there. So the first stage, we did the same thing. We flipped it. We were going to get stage points still. You know, we restarted that stage, I think, eighth or ninth, drove back up to third or fourth. Second stage, we flip it again. We come out 12th.

As long as we don't get wrecked, we're going to get stage points, unfortunately. Yeah. The best driver in the world spins out in front of us. By himself. Yeah. Max Rostop and is laughing. So, yeah, it's a tough week to slay you're the best driver in the world and then spin out.

When everybody else is saying you're the best, shouldn't you not say it? Yeah. I mean, we have been on this campaign for a while, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Carson, what do you think? About what he said? Yeah.

Is it bad that I agree, maybe? Like a little bit? I think we all agree, but that's the point. But like that you shouldn't maybe like gloat perhaps. Or say that you're the best. Just let other people say you're the amazing. Fair enough. Which you are, but maybe not today.

Carson or Kyle? Me. Both. But yeah. So that's where our thought process was. We'll go back up there and get some more stage points. When them guys pit, we cycle to the lead or top five. They're buried in traffic.

and you see what, you know, Ross did that, flip that he bends up back there, buried in midpack, and ends up getting turned on the last lap. So, you know, it's a strategy play for sure, but it worked at the first stage. Obviously, we were in the wrong place at the wrong time this time and ruined our day, but I agree. But you did get to finish. Yeah. Because if you didn't get to finish. Yeah.

Ooh. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know what we gained at the end or where we finished. But, you know, we were going to be, it was looking like I was kind of checking during the race. And it was looking like we were going to come out of there around. 12 to 15 points behind Ross and Busher both. And I think now we're probably like 16 behind Busher and one behind Ross. So, you know, we're still right there just off the cut line.

So our season was not ruined in that moment, but definitely as fast as our car was, I felt like we could have came out of there with a nice cushion going to Daytona. And now we're coming from behind again. Let's talk about Michigan for just a minute. And let's start with the traffic on race down. Jesus. Do we get a new head of security? I don't know what happened.

Like what happened? Because the traffic was awful. And then when you got to the track, you couldn't get in the gate. The gate traffic was awful. Then we start the race in the middle of the afternoon when all the showers were popping up. And we all knew we were going to have rain at some point. We do get rain. Now here's the unfortunate thing. I think they need to move that race up.

A, you don't have lights, be it's in the middle of summer, a couple showers here and there, you end up in the scenario where in had they moved it up an hour or started at 1 o'clock, we would have got the entire race in yesterday. I mean, we would have got at least halfway. We would have got the entire race. Because we would have gotten a ton of the race in for the hour and 20 minutes that we all sat around before it started raining. Then we had a chance to race, right? We got in 50 laps or whatever it was.

We were going to have another chance to race. But I applaud NASCAR for not putting us back out there. Because if they put us back out there, we were going to race till dark. And it was going to change the playoff picture. Yeah. It was going to screw or help somebody tremendously because we weren't going to have enough time. If we were going to go back green at say seven-ish 705 and then we can only race to 820, we weren't going to get all the lapsing.

Racing to halfway or racing just to get to that point is you can't do that. I applaud the, but they could have. I mean, it's not the right thing to do. And they didn't do it. And I applaud them for doing that. I agree. That was a good thing for the playoff format. But, man, that place was packed yesterday.

Yeah, that's part of the reason. You got to stop. You got to cater to the fans, man. You're going to have more fans in attendance there if you run on Sunday. You're going to have more fans watching on Sunday. You lost all that when you raced on Monday. Yeah. And you might lose some, just like you said, the traffic getting in.

I don't know what was going on at the gates out front, but the lines to get in were ridiculous. But we've been driving, I've been driving there that tunnel 25 years. They stopped every single car and said, do you have a gun? do you have a firearm? They didn't stop. We didn't get stopped. But they stopped a lot more than they normally did. There was a doll there and a firearm question.

I had that question. I've had that question. I asked me before there, but it seemed like there was more frequently this year. I just didn't, I just don't understand, you know, the gates. Like what's going on there? Is it just because everybody's coming at once? But I mean, we were, we were coming, getting ready to start to race. And we're coming down from the rain delay.

You know, they're going to put them on pit road. And we look out in the line of people still, they were going to miss the start of the race by quite a bit. You know, so it's unfortunate. We need to figure out. something there to get these people in and out a little bit quicker. But yeah, I don't know what happened because I don't really remember that in the past. Oh, for sure.

But the problem is, the problem is, you got enough. I mean, the problem is, are they going to come back if they had to do that? If you stand in line for two hours to get in, are you coming back the next time? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that definitely needs to be looked at. But it's to have that many people there wanting to go. There was a lot of people there.

So that was a good, great turnout for Michigan. The T, the three T's of racing are traffic, tickets, and toilets. but you just made that up no that's like a Humpy Wheeler rule I'd have never heard you got to get to the track

you gotta be able to use your ticket to get to get to the gate you gotta be able to take a piss when you won't take a piss

remember that for your social media campaign cars that's the three T's unbelievable I got I don't have words for this right now

and I don't I don't have the energy don't have the energy don't I don't I'm gonna wake up to my way like have you heard

of the three T's I mean Tiffany's shaking her head. She's heard of them because she did PR like I did PR. You guys don't have the background and PR that we have. And I've never heard of the three T's. All right. Carson,

take us a spot-on, spot-off. Somewhere. Please. Anywhere but the three T's. Yeah, one of the T's, please. All right. So we're going to toss it to break real quick and get into a little bit of spot-on, spot-off when we return. You've heard us talk a lot about Fandle, America's number one sports book.

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It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? All right. Are you fellas ready for a little spot-on, spot off? Yeah, I guess. Here we go.

All right, last week, NASCAR announced penalty. He's for Austin, Dylan, and Joey Lugano after their late race antics at Richmond. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. Yeah, spot on. We were pretty adamant on here about what we felt like they needed to draw a line in the sand. I said on it multiple times last week, if they didn't, if that wasn't across the line, then I don't know what it was. And apparently to them, they went back and looked and they teamed it across the line because he got to keep the win, got to keep the purse from the win.

But he lost his playoff eligibility. they lost what I believe 25 owner driver points I don't was there a monetary fine I don't think so and for luckily for Brett his crudor got suspended for three weeks. That wasn't lucky for me at all. I mean you had to pay for that Bahama

vacation somehow. That's true. And then Logano got 50 grand for the pit road deal which I thought was I don't know it was in line I guess with like Bubba's a post-race penalty I thought I was expecting it to be a little bit worse but I'm not I'm not spot on for pretty much everything

that happened there? Well, there's an appeal coming this week with what Austin Dillon did post race. And so we'll see what happens there before I comment on it. I guess what I'm spot off about is when they announced the penalty. I still don't know. So you can wreck one guy, but not two guys. You know, can you prove that he knew the 22 was going to wreck when he hit him in the butt? Like, you know, according to some of the data experts like T.J. I don't think there's anything You're the 22. The 22 slowed down more than he had been. And Austin drove in not as deep as he didn't qualify. Like there's all these things that are going to have to come out in the appeal for me to, you know, have a full-blown stance on it. Austin didn't drive in that deep in qualifying. Is that what you said? And I said he didn't drive in as deep as he did and to qualify.

So he drove in deeper in qualifying than he did right there. Yeah. So, and again, I don't have all the data. I don't even look at SMT, as I said today over the radio to the crew chief. But just some of the things I've heard. So it'll be curious that when they present their case, what the panel sides with, right? And then there's not a lot of, you know, things you can do or say on here to know what they're going to do. Because I don't know what stands they're going to have.

As far as the joy thing, I think one thing that people are missing as far as this fine goes in his comments is his car had a lot of damage and he claims he had full control of it and I believe that he did but I also know that car was damaged and if something were to break further then we could have potentially had a lot of problems and it's just people standing there so I think they got to keep the people safe and again I the crowd that saying there shouldn't be that many people on pit road I didn't see that many people on pit road other than crew guys and a family trying to cross go to victory lane so it's listen and and I'm sure this has been said a million times I don't care who the driver is, and I don't care what the scenario is, that decision should have been able to be made in

five minutes, not in three days. 100%. And then it can get appealed, right? And then it can get, the case can be presented. But for us to be, you know, in a situation where, you know, three days after race, we're finally announcing the win counts, but not toward a playoff. Yeah. It's confusing.

Well, with that, like how I mentioned earlier, like we've been struggling with penalties and appeals and things with cars store. Like in that scenario, that's when the series is responsible for having all their ducks in a row on their rulebook to back them up on if this scenario happens, XYZ is what we do. And like you learn in these scenarios when they happen because you can't just write a rule or anything that you don't know something about. But with these scenarios, with our Lapsovich deal or like the Joey thing, you see what goes on and you learn.

And then that's when the series has to have their stuff in order as well to be able to say, this is what we're doing every time and this is why. And you know in five minutes that that's the decision. and you don't have to wait days. I feel like the car store doesn't mess around. You get a black flag. I mean, they were. We're handing them out like Oprah right now.

Saturday night. You get a penalty. You get a penalty. You were in the scene. You were there. You got a black flag. You saw that guy spin. You're going to the back.

Butterbean, we're done. Black flag. Dale Jr. got a lot. Chad McCleck. Yeah. He got a black flag. He waited when he went by and got a black flag.

I'm telling you. I'm spot on for how they handled it. I don't like the delay in the call, but for what they went back and looked at and decided on, you have to do something because we can't be destroying each other. And this, if you don't do something here, this opens, this opens everything up at the end of the year for who knows what, stuff that I don't think anyone wants to deal with. And if you don't set the tone now, that leaves it, like, there's going to piece a lot that goes on later this year in playoff races and stuff. So I think there was enough there. I don't think it mattered. I think Austin was going to do whatever it took to win.

If there was three cars up there, he was going to try to hit all three of them. I think he was going to do whatever he could do to get up there. And for them, you know, I think I hope going forward, maybe they look at this now and say, okay, well, this was really blatant that you did all this. Like you just right hooked a guy for a win. You're not doing that. And maybe as they're running the cool down lap, they take this out, you know, hey, you're not winning. This guy's going to Vacherlane. You're not winning like that. I don't know if that will ever

happen, but I hope this opens the door for that type of, you know, getting it over with right then, not waiting until Tuesday or Wednesday. I mean, we all. So do you think that he right hooked him, right reared him? A hundred percent. Why didn't they suspend it? Why didn't they suspend him? They said, I think they said that they felt like, first of all, they referenced what I said on here last week that it was not retaliatory like the other ones were. And they also said that the The penalties that he got were also pretty severe, so they weren't going to just continue to pile on. Yeah, I believe he was coming down. I don't think he went down and said, I'm going to right hook Danny.

I think he came down, hoping to get there early enough to block, like, to get him in the door, you know, before Danny had position on him. But Danny was already too far past him to do it. And when they hit, they were going to hit no matter what. You've raced. Oh, some, yeah. Freddie's race. Carson's raced. Carson's raced.

Carson, in that moment for Austin Dillon, do you think he sees red. and even hears what the spotter is saying or he's reacting. In my opinion, I think in that moment, you're just 100% in the moment of what's happening and not listening to anything that's going on, especially given his scenario as a whole. I think he was just seeing red, like you said. That's why I made a comment last week

that I hope they didn't blow the spotter thing out of proportion. And I don't think they did. I'm really happy they didn't find him because if you come out with a $25,000 fine, you're talking about after taxes, some of those guys don't even make much more than that, right? So I agree with the suspension because of what Brandon said, and again, I'm filling it in for the guy.

And I know that he won't do it again. And I know that my 35 other buddies up there, well, probably 30 is four or five guys I don't like. But the other 30 buddies that I like up there. What's their names? I don't think they'll make that mistake. And here's, here's, Here's what's hard about that is I'm not cognizant of what I say on the radio.

Yeah. I am spotting like I talk, right? And so some of that stuff that you would say or even I've said in the past, you better be careful. Well, and at the end of the day, they're responsible for which direction that car goes no matter what you guys are saying. Yeah. The only thing I think that Austin heard on the radio was get down or get low, you know,

get down. I heard because he, Austin is looking at down. Benny, but then as soon as he hears get down, he's like, oh, there's another guy coming. And I don't think from that point on, Austin isn't going down. He's going down there no matter what when he hears, get down, get low, get low, whatever it was that Brandon was saying. What she should have been saying. I mean, you're trying to win the race. So, I mean, that's the only thing I think Austin heard.

Austin was going to come down and they just so happen to hit. And, you know, if they hit and and Denny spins down through the grass and doesn't hit anything, I'm not 100% sure much goes on. I thought the funniest thing that came through this. And listen, I don't, you know, I don't always agree with a lot of stuff that Joey does. When he, the analogy he made to describe how he was feeling at the moment when he said, it's comparable to somebody's feeling, somebody breaking in your house,

taking all your stuff. And then one minute later, you see them celebrating on your front yard with all your stuff. And I was like, man, I could now understand a little bit more. But, you know, to that point, and what you talk about getting to Victory Lane,

they're not going to Victory Lane. They're going to the front stretch interview. So Victory Lane's down in turn one. So this is what I harped on last week when I saw people talking about this. Do that in Victory Lane, not on the racetrack. And then the people are not trying to get across pit road to get out there, which they would have to this week because Victory Lane is on the front stretch of Michigan. But, you know, if you just take, you know, let the driver get out, celebrate, wave to the fans,

then drive the Victory Lane and celebrate with your team and have all that raw motion. But instead now we got guys running across the racetrack. Some guys get there. Some guys don't. Now we have another victory lane when he gets into Victory Lane. Yeah, I kind of miss the driver. getting out in Victory Lane with everybody for the first time. Yeah.

I kind of missed that. I didn't have a problem. I wouldn't have a problem if, you know, just do your interview. Like if, you know, Kyle Bush would always get out and take a bow. Do your burnout. Get out, take a bow. Get back in a car, drive it to Victory Lane. Do your interview.

See your team. Like, that's fine by me. But now we got, you know, it started with an interview now because, you know, then we now, I much I love the guys get to smell over with their kids and the kids ride back in the call with them sometime. But like, like, like now this is a that happens where you got guys trying to cross pit road and they shouldn't be trying to cross pit road. I mean,

The winter race is a big deal, so you understand the excitement. But I don't know. I just missed the rolling into Victory Lane. Everybody, I mean, it used to be you didn't go anywhere. You hauled ass to Victory Lane. Well, Joy LaGano has one of the coolest poses of anybody. He gets out, holds a wheel up in the air. It looks very heroic.

And the crowd goes wild. And then you get back in a car and drive to Victory Lane and celebrate. But he used to do that. He did that in Victory Lane, though. That's who he started that in Victory Lane. I know, but the TV freaking breaks that all up. Like, just let them do what they want to do and go to Victory Lane. We even had Dell Jr. on here.

on this show talking about that years ago of how he didn't like the freaking interviews after the race on the front stretch. I'm surprised they haven't changed it yet then. Me too. All right. Let's get into our second one. Denny Hamlin and Kyle Larson both spun on their own off turn four. Larson's spin collected several cars and ended Lugano, Bell, and Gillen's days.

T.J. Spot on, spot off. Oh, boy, that was, I'm spot off because I, or I'm kind of both because I don't like seeing tour-race cars. But man, some guys needed this for points. There was some heavy hitters in that in there that didn't need to have bad days. And, you know, there's a lot of guys that are straight up points racing right now. And, I mean, you're one of them.

You got to do, you can't swing for the fence right now. You've got to be strategic and try to get stage points. Then you've got to try to salvage a decent finish up. But you know at some point when you do this, you're going to be in the thick of it. You're going to be in the soup there for a while. and you got to get out of it. And today, you know, you guys got caught up in some stuff there. There were some other good cars that got caught up in it.

But, I mean, you know what? I guess it's nice to see natural cautions. These guys are on edge. And when you see a guy like Kyle Larson wreck, I mean, that shows you how on edge these cars are still. And how on edge they're driving them. I mean, Kyle Larson just doesn't spin out for fun. Yeah. You know, because he's trying to go fast and he's on edge.

It's you saw, I thought you saw it compare like comparably very similar instances where like they basically lose all their air. You know, they get in a bad arrow spot is what it is. And they're just so much on edge that once you get in that spot, it's over. Like Danny, having a Danny right behind us early in the race. That was actually yesterday, I guess. He spun right behind us. Same thing. Kind of crossed our wake on it right at that exit of four lost it.

And the same thing happened where you see kind of Blaney moved down a lane in front of Kyle. And as soon as he gets as soon as as soon as you see him move. down in front of him, Kyle starts turn sideways. So it's like, it's just a really bad arrow spot. But it just shows you how much on edge these guys are where a guy moves one lane one way or the other, how greatly it affects it. But also to add to that really quick, it shows you the difference between where did Kyle Larson spend most of the race in the beginning up front?

Yeah. You get in the back there. It's a whole different handling car when you were back in there. When we, yesterday to Brett's point, our car was unbelievable in traffic. Like we were to start that race. We drove by, I don't know, five or six guys, drove to the lead, had that big moved down the front stretch when Danny and Kyle were side by side. And I'm like, I'm like, once we get out, we're lights out. We're driving away because everybody we had

passed, it took us a couple laps to pass them. Then when we pass them, you would drive away by 20 car links. And I'm like, okay, lights out right here. And we got out front. But I was like, I'm loose is now. Like, you know, like, so it just changes that much when you got no clean air. Loose is not. Either being tights sucks because you're, you feel slow. But being on edge into the corner when you get cars all over you like in Michigan is. is not the most comfortable position to be in. Drivers with the most talent run out of talent the most. I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's kind of how it is.

Kyle Larson cost him and his team seven playoff points today in the event that he can't make up this ground. If he wins the regular season championship, he gets 15 playoff points. He went into today's race leading. He came out, what, fourth? I would say third probably. He came out fourth.

Chase Elliott and Denny Hamlet both passed him. Oh, Denny got back on. So he cost himself and his team seven. then that's a lot playoff points. Yeah. Unfortunately, and before we get off this wreck, did you see Todd get a little?

I don't know. The pickle car? Poor Todd. I don't know. Somebody had told me on the plane that he said he was looking at his mirror at the time of the wreck, but he goes bowling for race cars in this wreck, and he gets about three or four of them pretty well. Chase got us,

Bubba checked up for Kyle and Chase kind of popped us in the back and knocked us into it. But, I mean, there's really nowhere for anybody to go at that point. But poor Todd was, Todd was midpack and he went bowling for race cars. He was in a pickle, huh? All right. NASCAR called a caution after Martin Trix Jr.

scraped the wall, setting up an overtime finish. Tyler Reddick said this on his team radio before the final restart. Is that a fucking joke? Come on. That's he touched the fucking wall. Spot on, spot off. Brett. Man.

I saw it and I saw it happen. And I mean, you're going fast. and he didn't just like brush it. Like he went up directly toward the wall and hit it. And had he, you know, kind of lost control of his car and just kind of brushed it and drove off, I probably would be in a different stance than what I am. But seeing that in real time and seeing the angle, he went up hit, I didn't have a problem with a caution. It sucks.

It sucks for a guy like Tyler Reddick that has the race in the bag, just like also Dylan had it in the bag the week before when Ricky Stenhouse pulled his stunt. But I know it they were quick to the trigger. But if they were looking at the same wreck I was looking at in real time, I would have thrown it too. That's why. Yeah. I didn't see it, but, you know, it's, from what I heard, he bust, like, he kind of got free,

chased, you know, busted his ass and chased it up and hit the wall and then stayed in the wall. And that was, I think, we didn't stay in. Well, I mean, he, like, he didn't. He rode it. Yeah, we were right behind it. Yeah, like, he didn't, like, just get in it, touch it and come right off. I don't think, according to what Brett told me. But, you know, that's consistent with that, I think it was, was a Kyle Bush at Richmond,

that kind of went up and brushed it and kind of rode it a little bit. off a four off a two and it got the same kind of caution um and same race director as richmond so you know like i know dale says that a lot like race directors call somewhere quicker to the trigger than others some are you know whatever it is but yeah i i didn't seem enough to call it a bad caution um but obviously tyler's not going to be happy no matter what because he's got the race in the bag and you talk about the playoff implications ross chastain was probably going to finish in the top 10 somewhere i assume and he ends up getting turned on the next restart and now he finishes a lap down 20 something around us so you know that up that's a big hit for them yeah i don't i mean you can't martin if he would have got low like

there's got everyone kind of reacts to them to wrecks too you've got guys that hit the wall and they just get out of the way if they know they're getting low like my answer reaction when we hit the wall is get out of the way because i know if you stay in the groove there's more you can get hit by things or somebody might not get checked up you get run over my answer reaction when we get into the fence is to get him down out of the way safely but that's not everyone's and not everyone's the same way so and some of them getting them the wall and they know if you stay in the groove, you're more than likely going to get a caution. And you talk about like, and for us, we do, we do it as a spotter sometimes, you know, you mentioned

if they're looking at it, you know, they would have looked. If they were looking at it and they just, now it's, they catch it like mid, they don't even know exactly what's going on, but they see a car heading to the wall. They're going to be even quicker to the trigger. Yeah. So it's, you know, like sometimes we see like, oh, we're catch, something catches you the corner of the eye and it draws your attention right to it. So it does matter. When the tower misses it and had they missed it, I think they would have keyed up once they saw he had a problem and said, corner worker intern for, do you have anything on the racetrack? And if that person had said, no, he would have stayed green.

But I think they saw it in real time, just like I did. Yeah, I think if they see it a few hundred yards later, and Martin is getting kind of back up to speed a little bit maybe or something, and he's not rolling slow. But I also commend them for not doing things like at Bristol whenever there was cars trying to get caution, staying in the groove, slowing down. I hope that continues to be that way whenever it's obvious. You know what I mean?

But I think if they see it right away and it, you know, it's like a dangerous scenario or something, then I mean, I don't have a problem with that caution. I didn't really want to see it myself. But, you know, you just, I mean, it makes it exciting. Corlejoi flipped after slight contact with Noah Gregson's left rear. There was contact between them on the previous lap when LaJoy bumped Noah's bumper. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. um so i didn't so before the lap before this they got into it right this oh i watched it happen so then yeah uh they didn't really get into it cori had a big run and noah noa slid up like at

the very light like almost you know when you get close it was like they're gonna wreck if he comes up it was that close and no was lit up yeah oh yeah i was like i started tensing up wasn't even my car and uh they had a moment off of two and i looked over because i'm standing next to spike hair well Stefan. Spiker. All spike. Are you talking about Stephen Parsons?

Yeah. I'm staying next to him and I'm like, who that was close? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, who was? I asked him who it was because I couldn't,

I didn't know if it was the four of the 10. And he's like, I was Noah and I'm like, oh, okay. Next lap, I look back in there and Corey's upside down. I'm like, what happened now?

Yeah. Speaking of cautions, that one took a little while to come out. I mean, we were texting after the race and Freddie and I were talking about it. Do you think that Noah came down and helped turn him?

Noah, I mean, looking at it, Noah moved down a tiny bit. I don't know if it's just a natural reaction from a guy whenever somebody's trying to side draft. You naturally kind of chase him a little bit, I think. I don't think you can do that as a driver. I don't think you can turn left. And if Noah can do this, he's Superman. I mean, you're putting yourself at a big risk because you're going to get turned if he just holds his line. I think Noah, but I'm not so sure that.

you know, the Corey, Corey tied it super close to start with. And I'm not sure it didn't, you know, maybe the wake moved a little bit too, but I don't think Noah can be like, oh, there he is.

Like, there's no way. A car cannot turn over any faster than that one did. Oh, it was quick. The second he was yawed out, he was going upside down. Yeah.

So the caution come out and. By then he was flipping. It almost like AI generated. It did. We were coming off four. And I'm like, all, Brad,

caution's out. And I'm like, I got one upside down. and Brad looks at the screen on the inside. He was like, I was looking at the pilots. We were running and stuff. And he's like, oh, that's a big one. I'm upset.

I'm like, and then I had time to key back up and said, yeah, he's still flipping. Like, so it was like forever. Yeah. And one thing I'll say about it, and we've, we've harped on this on our show. You've hopped on everybody harps on about the grass. You know, what we talked about is paving these things so you don't get the violent flip. Two days in a row, Kyle Sieg and Core the Joy both flip to their roof. You know, they get airborne.

They get that, you know, when they do air takes them, flips them on their roof. Well, now they're just sliding on their roof. They're not tumbling down the backstretch until they get to the grass. And once they get to the grass, they start tumbling again. So, you know, it just lends itself to that theory of let's get rid of this grass. And we should take away some of the more violent wrecks. Don't flip. That's another thing.

Don't flip over. Easier said than done. During stage two of the Xfinity race, Riley Herbs clipped Ryan Cig after being cleared by his spotter. Spot on, spot off. I'm going to let you all decide who has the first opinion. Go ahead, Brett. I mean, he cleared him. He did.

And he wrecked. And it's the one thing I will say. And you know this as well as I do. We've all done this job long enough. A lot of the stuff that we do, if you're doing it correctly, is anticipating. You know, you know what kind of run you've got. You know, how fast you're moving by the guy where you think you're going to get clear. And I think this is where they got in a little bit of trouble because Riley, I think, was going to clear the 39 and the 30.

three and right before he gets clear Brandon Jones gets to his back bumper than the 39's back bumper and starts to push and I think that changed the game really you know I think that kind of started moving the 39 back back outside where you know it was tight and it sucks I listen I've cleared a guy I think we've all cleared a guy and wrecked him I don't maybe not TJ TJ's perfect why clear it does you know we were not clear here's the thing about it it's the word that we say the most and it's the most dangerous word that we say if you're wrong. And I wrecked Elliot at Bristol. We were racing Brenda gone.

We were hauling ass. And I was like, clear high. And Brennan got a huge run off the top. And before I could say outside, Elliot was moving up and we got turned and I didn't sleep for two days. And it's not because Ellie got hurt. That's not the problem. It's something you're sleeping with or I can't sleep with the conscience of,

man, I screwed my team. I tore this car up. I f***ed up and I got to live with this. It sucks. And there's times where, I mean, it happens to me. and you just got to, you got to, you know, you want to be clear. You know what I mean?

You do. That situation, you know, you can't, if you know if you go in that corner. And the thing is, I think if they just would have, if Riley would have just entered the corner normal, I think he would have got clear. But, you know, you're also trying to, you know that the top has been dominant. You know these guys, there's 20 cars lined up on the 39's bumper. So you're trying to get there as fast as you can. And you just, you miss by a split second.

I mean, he didn't, it wasn't like he hit him in the wheel. It was like the. corner of the bumper that they clipped and it's just unfortunate, but it's, you know, listen, we all make mistakes. There ain't nobody perfect. I don't know anybody on that roof that hasn't made a mistake. How many times a year do you key up that button and go clear and just kind of pucker up? I did it Saturday once for sure. I don't remember doing it. I didn't race long enough today to do it. But I mean, it's once a week probably, I would say. The exit of four of Michigan is tricky. Yeah. Even the entry to one, but usually the entry to one, the guy in the cup car at least,

they kind of got it figured out beforehand because they know the way that they I mean they they're not is nearly all over each other I think they there's it's just easier but off of four at Michigan off of four a lot of tracks over Michigan Darlington Michigan when they run the bottom anytime where they run the bottom and top and they had that that meat point at the exit like that's the tough spot like Dover's tough but we came off Saturday we came off a turn four and Carson and got a really good corner to bottom and he he come up in front of somebody and I would I didn't clear him. He cleared himself and I, there's no way I would have cleared him. And I was like, I was like, oh, I'm clear. Okay. And I was like, oh, God, we're going to wreck here. I don't know how he

did it, but he did a really good job. It scared me. How do you evaluate? Quaple. I think Carson, for the amount of experience that he has, he, when we have our meeting, sometimes he's almost so quiet, you don't know if he's really listening. You know, he's just really quiet, but he's soaking everything in. and man, I'll tell you what, he adapts to a T when you give him info. You can be like, all right, Carson, you know, this is where you need to start out. This is your line. He is on that line from the very get-go. And he knows how to.

His mistakes, like, you know how you have somebody lose the nose and they shove way up the track, have a real big moment, way out of the throttle. His mistakes, instead of being an eight or nine out of ten are like a four out of ten. Then he never makes the mistake again. You could tell him like, all right, Carson, off a two at Michigan here. You have to have the left front headlight out. If you cross the wake from this point to the exit, you're going to probably end up in defense. Never happens.

He just adjusts and learns so fast. And he's so like, man, it could be the most tense thing ever. And you're up. And he'll be like, how are you in it? He's like, oh, I'm pretty good. A little free. And he's like, okay, I'm up here. I can, I feel like we're about to wreck every corner.

I'm nervous. And you're down there, just a little free. Yeah, he's so nonchalant. This is going to sound. Carson, did you race with Carson? at Millbridge. Yeah, him and I, me him and Kate and all race together growing up at

Millbridge and he's always been that way. I mean, he was out of the gate. The funny thing, the funniest part. So we get into a little incident early with Austin Hill and Carson did everything you should have done. Austin was trying to crowd him. And Carson moved a little bit

and then he stopped. He didn't give any more, which that is how you stand your ground when a guy like that because Austin Hill is, he's learning this guy. He's like, I'm going to make him this rookie lift here. And Carson moved enough to where, you know, he was giving him some. And then he stopped. So now Carson stood his ground. And we get a restart. He's like, did I do anything wrong there? Was he clear? And I'm like, obviously it wasn't. And I went down and talked to Derek. And he's like,

no, that's 100% on us. He was trying to get that. He was trying to clear himself and it didn't work out. So later on on a restart, Austin Hill's right behind us. And Carson comes out and raised. He's like, I think you said, you know, is he going to be a mad person? Is he going to be a mad person? It was something just like that. I promise you'll find out. And he goes on, he's like, is he going to be a mad person or are we okay? And he's real quiet.

Like he was asking, but. That's funny. No, he did he does a really good job, man. I'm really impressed with Carson. He's a he's a sponge and he's got a lot of natural talent. Last thing I'll say about this, Carson, is when you're a quarterback and you, you throw an interception, you usually get the ball back next set of downs, right? You're a baseball player, and you strike out.

You get another at bat. When you're a spotter and you wreck a car, your day's done. That's it. You've, you, you, you, you, your team for the whole weekend. And that's hard to live with. I can imagine. This deal with Riley, too. That's the part that I have a problem with is just so early.

Like, you have a lot of race left. And that clear. And the fastest car. And he had a really fast car. Like, it's just, you got to weigh out these things. And honestly, I put a little bit this. on, and Riley did a really, had a really good interview from what I saw as well. Didn't throw anybody on the bus, just, you know, chalked it up and, and goes to the next one.

But then he got on Twitter. Oh, he did? Somebody got on Twitter. It goes down to know for everybody. Well, maybe I'll take, maybe I'm an idiot. Well, we do with that already. But Riley, like, you got to know it. Like, you got a big brain this thing.

If you get clear that guy, great. Which I do think he clears him if he dies off to the bottom right there. There's no reason to come up. This is an early part in the race. Like, there's still fuel strategies playing out. It's going to rain. We've got a lot of things that have to happen yet still. Don't beat yourself.

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Told my boss, I decided to meet a client at Applebee's 11 o'clock for a two-hour meeting. Mainly so I could just go watch the race. There was never a client. Some dude sits next to me at the bar telling me about how much of a diehard Joey Lagonal fan he is. And, you know, it's Joey's years win the championship. watch him get mad when he gets a tire. A few moments later, Kyle Larson, Rex in front of the half the field.

Joey Lugano's done. Guy gets up, leads to three quarters of beer. Bees up, saying a word. Rough being a Ligano fan these days. I wonder if Mike Harmon was an Applebee's. You think he was there? Looking for you. Dating night on Applebee.

No, who is he looking for? Every time I'm on the show, you talk about Mike Harmon. Every time. Really? We haven't seen. What was the last time we saw him? No. We talk about him often. I thought he, he hates Brett, too.

But I think that was a net. I think he was trying to fight it on him. Oh, maybe. that. Yeah. I thought he was trying to meet Brett there. Shout out Michael Annette. I know he listens every week. Hell yeah. I get a text message. God knows what time from him. Tell him something stupid Brit. Where's he living now? Is he still

around here? I don't know if he... No, I think he's in Iowa. He's back in Iowa. Is he? Okay. Yeah. Man, Carl Larson must be hung like a motherfucker. He sure steps on his a lot. Come on, young money. And they get hung money. Hell, I don't know. Hung money.

Home money is crazy. That's it. That's, hung money is greater to the young money. Sorry, Kyle. I will never refer to you as Kyle for the rest of my life.

We're making a T-shirt. Hung money. Oh my gosh. We can't not. Hung money. No, you have to. You have to. I already feel like he's past the young part.

I'm wearing it. Oh, my God. Jesus. I love the reference of steps on his dick a lot. Yeah. Do you have to beep the D word? What Jay does? Jay's over there.

Yes. Sure. I was just talking about. name Richard. Yeah. All right. I got a question. Jesus. How come anytime we're racing in Michigan or New York or somewhere up north,

why do they have to sing Oh, Canada? We're not in Canada. We're not in Canada when we're racing in North Carolina or Georgia. We're still not in Canada, people. Just because we're near Canada? We've got to sing Oh, Canada? I don't understand. Somebody explain it. Please. Well, I, somebody,

Mike Herman looked to me during the O Canada National Anthem there on Saturday. And he said, do you think Canadian stadiums that are close to America sing the American National Anthem before their events? And I was like, I doubt it. Like, I don't even think I've seen a hockey game where they sing them both. Yeah, I don't understand. I think it's just, yeah, it's just a, I think because you have, you share borders. Yeah, I mean, we met, we met a guy. How many hundreds of times have you heard this song?

Me? Yeah. I mean, hundreds of times have you heard. I know the words to it. That's how many times I've heard it. I only know two. Oh, Canada. Oh, Canada.

The two most important words, though. We've met a guy from, I don't remember where hell he was from. I want to hear TJ sing this. I mean, no, I don't. You stand on guard for the, Brett. Can you sing the French part? Oh, my God. Here we go again.

Everybody's saying that the car store hates Canadians right now because we just qualified lapsvich. Do you sing the? the Canadian national anthem? I want to know how you say hung money and French. So that they'll be nicer to us. I think you should play it. We should start playing it at Cars Tour races.

Get them back on our good side. Maybe get back in the good graces. Get them back on our good side. Oh, man. Brett knows French, Australian. He doesn't know Australian. We've already decided that. That was English.

I'm just Googling. How do you say hung money in French? Just ask Siri. Hey, Siri. Well, she say it? Yes. Hey, Siri. You probably don't even have.

How do you say, well, I do got Siri. Hey, Siri. How do you say young money in French? Hung money, stupid. Oh, yeah. Hold on, Siri. Hey, cancel, cancel. I don't use Siri.

Let me try it one more time. Hey, Siri. How do you say hung money in French? She's not talking. We don't have internet in here. Argent suspended. What the fuck is she saying? You didn't hear that.

It'll tell you you on the screen. I thought there was no way that she was going to do that. No possible way. Alls you on Pondue. That's it. We're going international, folks. This is for our international listeners. This is in honor of the Olympics.

Yeah, yeah, Paris, 2024. Oh, money. Holy shit. I guess we just found our DBC title. Yeah. Oh, money. Wow. Or the French version.

You got to be in French. French version. Wow. Are we ready for the next call? Sure. Okay. I don't want to listen anymore after that. Long time, listener.

First time, call, I've got a couple things that I've got to get off my chest. First off, Olympic break calls me to start watching flow. Who the fuck is this Tony the Tiger, motherfucker, racing at Bowman Gray? And why is he allowed to do whatever the fucking want? Second off, my what an idiot for this week has got to be the motherfucker that decided to pan over to Brad Keselowski while his pasty ass is taking his shirt off. What in the name of white rocks by the front road is that? Yeah, I unfortunately witnessed that. Was it post race? It was pre-race, right? It was before they were fixing to go back green yesterday. Oh. And they were talking about him and cut to him and he was like stuck in the neck of his shirt trying to get his shirt off and they just stayed. I had a cool shirt.

They just stayed on him. Oh, Bill Venerini. He almost killed us all on a bus riding down the road. Herm tells this story much better than me. But he looked up and Big Bill would drive the bus. You know, he had like this, you know, like travel, not a van, but it was like a bus. And all of a sudden you hear the like, we're, I'm just sounding asleep in the back of this thing. And the bus starts swaying. And I'm like, I hear this.

Oh, shirms gets up. Big Bill's got the sweatshirt with a hoodie over his head, but can't get out of it now. So he's driving at like 80 miles an hour. Can't see. Herm's got to grab the wheel, help him out of his sweatshirt. It was a full-blown disaster. It's probably the fastest Herms moved in a while. It was.

It was for sure. Is it hot where you live? Have you not had rain in a good while? And is your town and city just struggling due to the heat? Well, have I got the product for you? Let me introduce you to NASCAR. We have three series. And as long as you have a giant field that we could put down some dirt, make a small oval,

or we could just run a race right. through your own town. It doesn't matter. As long as you want us to come to your town, we can guarantee a 99% chance we will end your drought and bring whatever rain you guys need. I'm here at the fucking race getting rain down because NASCAR NBC can have a balls to move to start time. I'll tell you what, noon start time? Get this race in greatly. But, you know, we're sitting here at the end of the end of, you know, about 4 o'clock and, uh, down for. But that's come back here tomorrow. Thanks a lot. He didn't seem up.

He's seen Bub said. He's an angry elf. Evidently, Corey LaTroix is a much better and faster driver on his lid than he is when he's actually on all four wheels. All right. Bye bye now. Damn, I'm glad Corey's okay, but that was his wreck, bro. It looked like from NASCAR heat three where he just hit a car and then you immediately go upside down.

That's crazy. The coolest damn part about NBC is the graphics they give us. I'm showing like the air and the car getting backwards and all the difference, like putting in a virtual wind tunnel. That must be more technology than NASCAR has because they can't get these things, right? But whatever, I'm glad Corey's okay. But I don't know what he was, I don't know if he tried wrecked Noah. I mean, or if he just misjudged it that bad. Well, this is exactly what we didn't need.

Corey LaJoy spinning out on the backstretch and then flipping over and then landing on his roof and being there making everybody freak the hell out. Oh, my God. These cars are going too fast at Michigan. We need to slow them down. Let's just put a restrict the place here. Now, stop it. I don't want to hear it. I'm telling you that's going to make it worse.

Look, all I'm saying is NASCAR, please do not overreact it. These cars go fast. I'm like this is going to happen. Everybody needs to calm down. Everybody needs to calm down. Maybe including you, my friend. Yeah, you need to calm. These wrecks down the backstress reminded me like when the,

1987 cars came out on eye racing, and everybody was talking about... Oh, we were all flipping over. Trying to do the blow over there. I was trying to flip, yeah. Yeah. I think Daljean was slip being them things many times. I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, what's a fact?

Man, I'll tell you what. It was crazy about watching that race at work was at one point, Rick Allen was talking about some spotter, new spotter up there for Austin Dillon. He said some drunk gap-tooth-looking motherfuck. I knew exactly who he was talking about. You, Brett. President of your fanclo?

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See consumer cellular.com for promotional details. now it's time for AskDBC you can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC and we'll answer the best ones Eric Johnson asks After his recent hot stretch Are we leaning towards Tyler Reddick

Being the championship front runner The playoff schedule lines up really well For that 45 team I hope so We've sat on here before How we've all I think three of us TJ work with him at one point

We've all been really big Tyler Redick fans For years He's our favorite elf He comes on for our Chris episode every year. Yeah. But yeah, I'd say he's probably, if he's not the favorite right now,

he's his hottest driver in the sport right now. He's got a bunch of top fives. He finished a second to a new winner, feel like every week. So I was glad he got around Kyle there late in the race. These two idiots sharing glasses now. But yeah, I mean, he's been on a role lately. So, I mean, like they said, the playoffs line up really well for him.

Should we call him? He's got, he's not going to answer. I have a bone to pick with that. just started his party. He's probably flying. He home. He has 13 playoff points, so it looks like he's fourth among playoff points, but he'll get 15 if he retains

a championship lead. I mean, he's definitely a guy that's in the conversation. I mean, but don't forget about how fast the 24 was earlier in the season. Like, they've been in a position where they can try a lot of new things, and when the playoffs start, those guys are going to bring their best stuff. To me, this is the most

wide open year. You think so? I think there's four or five guys. It could get hot right now. Don't you always feel like there's four, though? I feel like just two. Really? Most time. Yeah.

I feel like there's four or five that if they get hot, it could be game on. I think Martin Truex. He's going to have to get hot. He's going to have to get hot. Monday, Martin is not a thing anymore. I feel like he's going to have to get hot. And I know, man, their cars are definitely fast enough for him to get hot. Yeah.

Yeah. I still, I mean, there's Denny. Denny could get hot. I mean, you've got the 20 car could get hot. Listen, Denny was a rocket this week. He spun out and did a bunch of damage to his car and still drove back to the top 10, I think. You know what? What were the, like, what I see things.

There's things that certain guys do. And Denny, and I wouldn't have probably agreed with you 10 years ago. But Denny, when he does interviews and stuff and tweets stuff and makes comments, he speaks a lot of truth. And he says the things. I mean, he's pretty accurate these days with what he says. Wow. that's that's big one maybe one thing he said recently was not accurate but go ahead well i sent him a resume um no i'm just kidding he uh but like you race denny

danny knows how to make the race the easiest on himself like we caught danny as soon as we got position on him he didn't mess around because you know what happens when you race side by side here you get side by side for a couple straight away comes all their friends here they come yeah and denny knows how to limit his losses on the track and that's why he you might not see him in the top five but he's right there and he knows how to run a very smart race but he could go on win the next few races the 20 car could uh tyler i mean he could get hot there's there's honestly there's probably five or six guys that you could be afraid of right now this might be the first time you've ever spoke kindly of denny it's gonna be ironic i might speak uncrime i mean when he was on the show with us you

were saying how you know he was your crew guy he was we had it we didn't have had a lot of fun we've had a lot of good times that's good by listen there's i i think there's eight or nine guys that you could say are fast enough. It's just can they put it together? Luck being smart, but this is where I'm saying. Like, Danny knows how and some of these, like Martin knows how to get to the end of these races. And he might not take, he might not make a move. Some of these young guys might try to make a gap that might not be there. Well, when that gap closes up and it don't work out, you got guys like Denny takes advantage of Martin, Brad, do these guys know how to do that? All right. We're going to take a break and return

with my personal favorite. What an idiot. What an idiot. All right. I'm excited to hear these. It's time for What an idiot. Take it away, Freddie. What an idiot. Man, I really, as nicely as TJ spoke about Denny Hamlin right there, I guess he was going to easily win my Wooden Idiot Award for saying that you should get rid of all the stupid spotters last week on his show. I retract everything I said about Danny. He is an idiot. I was going to make him my one idiot forever, like until he comes on here and apologizes. He's not, yeah, that's actually, for trying to ruin our careers. I forgot about that. I mean, I I mean, damn, but I mean, what?

We got to eat. I mean, we got to eat. Damn. I'll be over there sweeping a helipad next week. Man, Denny were playing craps one night, Vegas. And this dude, every time he threw the dice, he'd say, everybody got to eat. We got to eat, bro. Yeah, you know what?

Just turn Lambert's radio off. We walk by him. His manager, Austin listens every week because he always texts me after he listens, and he makes fun of TJ over here. I hope he's laughed at any when he said that. So now Austin's going to text me about that. Oh, yeah. Anyway.

So who's your idiot? I don't know. I had that guy circled all week and I don't know anybody did anything real dumb this week. Look at my road. I wonder what my what I would an idiot. Look at what was it. What's it say? Freddie.

What's it say? How? It says spotters. For what? Because there's some intense negotiations going on on the roof. And there are some guys that are pretty new to the roof that are asking for astronomical amounts of money that they don't deserve. Like T.J. Majors,

Freddie Kraft, Mike Herman, you know, Tyler Green, these guys have paid 10 plus years of dues on the roof to make the market what it is. When I came into this job, when I came into this job, I made $300 a week to spot. Bob Jeffreys made $1,500

a week. Do you think I went to Robert Yates and said, you got to pay me what Bob makes? No, I didn't do that. I earned my way. I let laps at plate tracks. I won races, tried to keep my car of trouble. So all you people that are up there spotters, and I know I'm going to see y'all next weekend, I'm telling you, you're asking for what you don't deserve. So you need to calm down and realize you've got to earn your way. I came into PR, the PR world. It paid a lady at Gannasi,

which at the time was Sabco Racing, and she made $85,000 a year doing public relations. I made $30. All right? I worked my ass off. And then I had a management company. I managed drivers and whatever the hell else I've done. You don't just walk in and start making freaking Troy Aitman pay until you prove you can be Troy Aitman. So some of you spotters and managers or the GMs are listening to this loving this right now. Freddy's going to deserve what he gets. T.J. is going to deserve what he gets.

You're screwed. But some of y'all are asking for something you don't deserve. Last time I said somebody was spoiled with on me for two weeks. I don't give a f***. I'm preaching the truth. So you want to give it to Kligerman, which I will say, I talked to him in the garage yesterday. You slapped that out of him to?

I said, I said, damn, Parker? Like, what were we doing? And Parker said, once I realized who I was pushing, I realized I should not have been pushing. Well, say that. Say that. I didn't see any of it. Who was he pushing?

I don't even know the guy's name. What's his name? Caesar Bacarella. Oh, yeah. The 45 car, right? Is that right? Yeah. I don't know how to mess up.

Did I pronounce that right? I think that's right. Nobody in this room has any idea what that guy's name. Yeah, I don't know. I can tell you this. I heard some light office discussion about him today and that was it. When Parker come off turn two and he, he went to square up the 45, he did not square up the 45. He did the 45 in the left rear head, head, the taillight area.

That idea. It wiggled him from the very beginning. But instead of, okay, let's let him catch it. Now, Parker came out and just plowed through him and caused a huge wreck. And then went on and decided. that it was someone else's fault. I guess. Race car drivers have a hard time taking the blame, though.

It's hard. It's not in their makeup. I mean, how about I just gave the guy a bad push trying to make progress? I mean, I can live with that. I mean,

that's what happened. Fair enough. You have any idiots, Carson? I don't have any idiots this week. Yourself? Just me. Just the usual. Just dumping papers on the floor.

Dumping papers on the floor. She thought she had a little over there. We should have called a couple of them guys he got black flag and got some of their quote. If you had a one in the atheist week, who would it be? Oh, God. I could have had some idiots the last like two weeks of the cars tour races, but Ace wasn't. Like who?

I will give the cars tour a lot of props for something. They are building a lot of fun personalities. Like there's a lot of names that are getting bigger and bigger from a brand perspective. And it's awesome. Yeah, we have an awesome group of guys. Like our pro late model field this year is a blast. And like our late model stocks, obviously we've had awesome races. but then they're also doing their due diligence to market themselves and be approachable.

And I'm proud of all of them. They're doing a good job and it's working for us. You know what? So I ran into Blake who does a great job with the broadcasting stuff at the Cars Tour. Him and Eric are phenomenal. Yeah, they do. They make, you know how you listen to the radio version of that? They can make a single file line sound exciting.

Man, I can't look away from the race when I hear Blake talk. because he's like, oh, I mean, I'm like, I'm nervous watching it because Blake's key, like, they're just entertaining. That run with Saturday or Friday night with Butterbean and Millington where there was like, I don't know, 10, 15 laps of them just, I mean, swapping the lead. And the fact that, you know, it's one thing that they're doing a unbelievable job calling it. And then they're swapping back and forth like a, like an almost like a radio style broadcast where, you know, one guy's doing a lap or two.

And it's like a seamless transition where neither one of them, you feel like neither one of them taking a breath, let alone been swapping with each other. Yeah. Two of them. Eric did another phenomenal job yesterday on the, or was it today on the, yesterday on the ARCA broadcast at the coin, I think it was. Springfield. Springfield. Yeah. Eric, I think, is doing an amazing job. Blake's obviously working his way up that little ladder too. So the two of them, just if you haven't tuned into a car store, race on flow, you won't, you won't be disappointed with the call. Where the hell is Blake?

He said he had to drive home. I think he, and he couldn't be here on Monday because he, like he couldn't be here. I know, but like he had plenty of times. He said his flight landed in Raleigh at 6. One thing about that car store race that I noticed is like you see Butterbean

he's obviously really good at these things. He gets, he knows where to hit these guys. Obviously, he found out where not to hit him once. But he would get on the inside of Millington and he was trying to slow up enough to let, I think

it was McCarty, was in third then at that point in time. He was trying to get the third place guy close enough so Ryan couldn't cross him over on the exit of the corner. And like that's that's that's that's that's big bean stuff right? Big bean. That's big bean. Yeah. Uh, shout out to Bobby. Has Bobby doing okay? I know they had some carbon oxide poisoning. Talk to him today. He's all good on the mend. It was some scary crazy. And of course of all days for me to be on infield safety when I'm never supposed to be that responsible. I'm like, great. But all as well. All right. What do you say

we get into some DBC Pits? Hung Bean shirt? Hung bean? Hung bean. No. Hung money's it. That's it. That's it. All right. DBC Picks for Daytona. All right. So Casey is first. She sent me her picks. She's going with

Michael McDowell. It's a good pick. I almost bore your ass out with Hosevar here. Jay, I have nine wins, not eight. Nope, we still got eight. No, I got nine. I won six of the first nine and then I got cold. Now I'm back hot.

I won two of the last three. Yeah, I didn't put your name in the green column. So that's how it updates. So, sorry. You got nine. Casey took my pick. Who Casey pick? McDowell.

McDowell. I, is it my turn? I am out of people. It is your turn. I will take making his triumphant return to, spotting at Daytona I'll take

Austin Dillon you're gonna win this feels like insider trading it's not fair there's no reason for T.J. to even pick

at this point I'm done Brett Griffin Austin Dillon in a three car yeah unbeatable what else do you need

you only got two races left TJ then it resets oh man I think I'm going to win next week I am

screwed next week you're all screwed next week I'm gonna go with Corey LaJoy That's a good pick That's a good pick So Carson if you were me

Would you take Harrison Burton Eric Jones Who's actually pretty decent at Darlington But also have Alex Bowman Sitting there for Darlington I know but I'm talking about I don't want to Oh you want to leave them here

Okay okay okay I'm either gonna use an Eric Jones or an Alex Bowman at Darlington The Forgerge is fast I feel like I feel like I got to go with a Penske car With the Wood Brothers affiliation I feel like Harrison's my guy.

He's obviously got a lot to race for. You don't, you know. I like it. You make your pick. I'm going to tell you why you're on here a second. If you just made that face, I don't feel good about it. No, I mean, I mean,

there's not, like you said, Petty car. I think it's a great pick for you. I'm rethinking it. But I'm going to do it anyway, because it's a crap shoot. Yeah.

I'm going to go with Harrison Burton. That's not a good. I want to win Zane Smith. I think the guy you left on the table there is Todd Gilden. I looked at him to. Who ran really well. Daytona earlier. He did.

He did. I've got too many bad guys that are good there. Did you see what I did? I don't know if you can say that. That's not nice. I feel that way. That's offensive.

I can't do it. Can't do it. I can't do it. You can't do it. Pick yourself. I can't do it. Wow. I can't believe you left yourself.

I can't do it. Every time I do that. I mean, yeah, I'll be in the, you're already in the playoff. I'll be in Lake Floyd. Brad, can you swim?

Lake Frikenloid. Where's that appearance still? So, so Daytona, how many laps are we going to be saving gas? None. We're going hard. I want to do that. I would say about half the first stage, half the second stage, and half to third stage. You're going to save until you go to pit road for the last time.

We'll race hard, Brett. won't be wide open. Yeah, we're all wide. Okay. We'll race with you. Just play it on that. Okay. Hey,

speaking to Daytona, you guys want to come hang out with us. We're doing some, uh, guess who gets to go now. Oh yeah, you're coming now. I'm coming.

Yeah. Oh, you're coming. Yeah. We're going to the Hellman's mayonnaise booth, right? Yes, we are. Uh,

there's one thing I love in my house is mayonnaise. Oh, yeah. You run through a quick over there. Bodie, he didn't eat it for years and he's 11 and, and this past year. And now he puts,

like double mayonnaise on egg sandwiches. Mandaise is because it can be like a naoli, a sauce, regular mayonnaise. Yeah. Manez and egg. It's like potatoes. You never had an egg sandwich with mayonnaise on it? No. Like egg salad?

Wait, what did you just say? I've had an egg sandwich with mayonnaise. Like egg salad? Oh, no, no. He's talking about an egg sandwich. Just eggs. You scrambled two eggs and you put it on a bread with mayonnaise and cheese. Never had that.

I mean, it's just an egg sandwich. I don't know about that. Anyway. Have you ever had an egg sandwich? No. I don't want to either You've never had a breakfast sandwich Like eggs like bacon egg and cheese sandwich

I mean yeah like on a bagel But he's talking about like scrambled eggs With mayonnaise and cheese You also put mayonnaise on a bacon egg and cheese sandwich You might You eat liver mush? You don't know what I eat You eat liver mush?

No It's disgusting Liver mush Where did that come from? Anything called liver Anything I'm not eating Asked me a question I got

I ever had liver mush And I'm like no I'm gonna make you something Don't First of all I tried it It was burnt to a crisp And I doused to a catch him I'm like

This is good That rate again. Anyway, sister eats it. We're going to be at the Helmand's Midway display in between the Exaltah Entry Gate and the Toyota Entry Gate, where we will be... What? Sampling mayonnaise. We get to eat mayonnaise while we're there? I'm sure there'll be...

I'm sure there'll be... Apparently, there's a whole bunch of stuff there. There's a simulator. There's a display, all sorts of stuff. Anyway, we're going to be between the Exaltta Entry Gate and the Toyota Entrygate. There's going to be entertainment, prize giveaways, and a bunch of fan interviews. We're going to do a Q&A from 330 to 4. I know there's going to be a racing simulator.

later over there. DJ Brett's going to be playing. They're going to have Brett's iPad plugged in. You bring the bread. I'll bring the eggs for Brett. We'll have some mayonnaise sandwiches. Yeah. You go bacon. I was going to be better. We're looking forward to seeing everybody over there. It'll be a fun time. We haven't done one of these in a while. I can't remember. We did one. That was back in May. Probably a reason for that. The track was, yeah, every time we let Brett do one, we talk about Jimmy's. Honestly, I thought we were good. And then Brett got back on the roof and I'm like, God, his last pants we're doing again. Just come to me at the display and tell me your favorite way to eat mayonnaise.

that'll make me happy. Brittle slatter some on. Well, I mean, like when I was growing up, you know, grandma would make a roast for lunch. And then the night you go back over there and have a roast sandwich with a bunch of mayonnaise. I just don't know how Carson has these Knapples, North Carolina ties

and doesn't have mayonnaise on sandwiches. I do, just not egg sandwiches. I said I just have never had an egg sandwich. She said she likes mayonnaise earlier. You're offending things. You're naming things that just doesn't really sink with mayonnaise. It's like the three T's. A BLT with mayonnaise.

The mayonnaise, absolutely. What about peanut butter, mayonnaise and banana? No, absolutely not already. Manez and peanut butter? What? You're getting wild. He's just made. You're just making shit up at this point.

Like when the banana mayonnaise sandwich thing went down, I'm out on that. And their mom would sprinkle sugar on top of it, too. It's just a consistency thing. It's just like slimy. I don't like this. Daytona. Looking forward to it. Hope to see everybody over at the Hellman's fan experience.

No practice. No practice. Straight to qualifying and racing. Just how you like. like you, Brett, although you voucher. You like Prattis, don't you? Not now that he's spotting. He's a schedule this weekend's amazing. He was all a month ago. He wanted

Prattness. We need an hour. Oh, man. Hey, before we get going, I want to give a shout out to one of our DBC listeners. Master Gunnery Sergeant Bradley Campbell recently retired from the military. I think he was in for 23 years. He said he went in at 17. He's a friend of a friend of mine. I reached out and wanted to say congrats to him. So congrats Bradley and we know your listener.

And thank you for your service. And the world lost, one of the most iconic race car drivers in American history, Scott Blumquist. If you don't know that name, then you've been living under a rock. Like, man, nobody did it there way more than he did. Oh, I mean. And he's won everything like 34 times. Yeah. Whatever it is.

Yeah. It's, I mean, to hear that news getting on the plane, we're getting on the plane to go down to Michigan. And everybody on the plane was the same way. Like it starts popping up and you're like, this can't be real. This has got to be a hoax. Like this is one of them guys you just looked at as indestructible. And unfortunately, he was. Yeah.

Shout out also. I've lost a friend of mine today in the racing community. Worked with Eric Goodell a lot. The Goodale family in their prayers. Jay Shepherd passed away today, actually. So just thinking about him and his family, his wife, Jody, their kids, just a tough loss for the Northeast racing community. Also, probably Roy McCauley, a longtime Penske employee.

one that did 100, I believe, with Ryan Newman. Has been a fixture there for many years. Pretty big loss there. He was liked by a lot of people. And I never got to work with him, but I know a lot of people that did and really enjoyed it. Well, I'll go race for those guys this weekend. Carson, thanks for subbing. We'll see you maybe next week.

Hopefully. Are you busy? Do you like it? Do you have fun? I'll have to check my sketch. Okay. If there's Fireball next time, I keep telling you all. Okay.

All right. We got to get the elf. The problem is if it don't rain, next week's going to be a hand. hangover show because we're off on Sunday. Which means we're going to big owls. So we're going to big owls. Which means we should just record from there, honestly. But yeah.

By the way, I just, my notes, shout out to Kevin from Virginia, our buddy Kevin. Oh, yeah. Under, you know, he's not a little under the weather these days. So just thinking about you, buddy. I think everybody in the NASCAR world knows Kevin from Virginia.

If you listen to any series or any, if you look up dedicated. Yeah. We just saw him at language. Yeah. We get a tweet from him every week about how you listen to the show. So we're thinking about you, bud. I hope you get well soon.

See y'all next week. We out. See you. Hala. Check out dirty move media. Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.