Door Bumper Clear - 344 | Daytona: Playoff Bubble Busted, Harrison Burton & Ryan Truex Join

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

Freddie Kraft and TJ Majors are back from Daytona and joined in-studio by Karsyn Elledge to break down one of the biggest upset wins in years. We hear from both Daytona winners, Harrison Burton & Ryan Truex, with Ryan hanging around for the entire episode. Is the legitimacy of the Playoff format in jeopardy after the last place full-time driver earned an automatic bid? How badly does Toyota’s screw-up affect Denny Hamlin and Joe Gibbs Racing? And we react to Trackhouse announcing Shane Van Gisbergen as their full-time driver for the storied #88 Cup Series car next season. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I'm T.J. Major. Spotted the Sixth Cup car this weekend. A lighter show this week. Is that a fat joke against Brett? Or like, I mean, that's up. Strong start. He did not say that.

You are spicy today. He is. I mean, spicy. Angry elf. What's up, Freddie Crasspotter for Bubba Wallace and somebody else is sweet. Kyle Sieg. Hi, I, hi, Carson. Hi, you're back.

I'm back. You're still here. We didn't run you off last week. I guess I did a decent enough job that you guys decided to keep me. And we have a special guest today. Yeah, because Brett was taking another personal day for the, I don't know, 35th time this year. We had to reach out to a buddy of mine, Ryan Truex, Xfinity winner, Daytona International Speedway.

What's up, buddy? What's up? Happy be here. Yeah. I say that now. Yeah. We'll find out. We have been known to get called to the haulers.

Let's be careful what you say on here. I mean, for one thing, I've known. So I grew up modified racing, obviously. I spotted for probably the second most famous family in New Jersey, the blue. So I was well aware of the True X is coming up. But a little background on you because, I mean, when I first started spotting for Bubba, which was 15 years ago now, we were racing you in the K&N E series at the time. So a little background on where you started. Yeah, I've been around racing, you know, my whole life coming from a racing family.

You know, my dad owned his own Bush North team back in the day. I don't really remember it, but I was around for it and just, you know, grew up at racetracks in the Northeast. Obviously, when Martin broke into the then Bush series, you know, I started to go to races around the country and really start to understand what NASCAR was like. And that's really my earliest memories was kind of late Bush North as he started to get to the Bush series. So yeah, I just been around it my whole life, grew up at Wall Stadium, never got to race modified when I was younger. I got to go back and do it when I was 18. But yeah, I started when I was 14 or 15 and just, I feel like every year climb the ranks,

climb the ranks, then got to the Xfinity series and kind of hung out for a while and still kind of hanging out a little bit. But yeah, I've been pretty much everywhere in the garage area, all three series. and I feel like now I'm finally, you know, 12, 14 years later, finally kind of getting my footing a little bit. Yeah, for sure. I mean, obviously, I had that big win at Dover last year, which, I mean, listen, if you ever want to have fun, just show up at the casino bar and find Big Marry. And that's, I mean, it's fun any weekend, but then when Ryan wins, God bless, we were. I can't even imagine. It was a, it was a bit of a show that night. I'm not going to lie to you. Yeah. But, I mean, I remember back in the day, like, you were the guy to be.

in the K&N series when we were there. I remember we had a hell of the finish at, was that Lee? You and Bubba bouncing off each other three wide. Still mad about that. Still mad about that. I apologize. But I mean,

just take us through. Like, I mean, your career, obviously not exactly what you want. I mean, what was the last time you ran something full time? Was it the call league car?

I ran full time 21 for Nice. Okay. Yeah. So I've run three full time seasons, period, basically. Hittori was my first one in 16 truck, the colleague car, and then 2021 for Nice. And where are we at now? Because obviously, two-time winter now, you're in contention. Obviously, very good equipment. But moving forward, what's the next step for you? Because you hear a lot of rumors about the JGR team, maybe downsizing the three or whatever. Like, what's the next step for you?

I'm not really sure. I'm still trying to figure that out. I think winning always helps. And winning doesn't suck. Well, it doesn't suck. Yeah. You know, last year's win was big. But to come back this year and win two and eight starts, I think it's a big deal. And, you know, I feel like kind of proves my worth, proves I deserve to be in this sport somewhere.

There's a spot for me somewhere. It's just me trying to figure out where that is and put everything together to make it happen. For sure. Have you ever raced against you, brother? I raced in the same series as. him when I was at BK racing, but we weren't really racing each other. You only saw him a couple times. I did pass him at Martinsville, which is pretty cool.

Did you throw him the bird out of the window? I didn't, but then I think I broke a rear gear like 10 laps later. So it was very short-lived, but it was cool when I did pass it. Take us through the race the other night. Obviously, you know, that, I mean, the JG, I felt like the JGR cars probably were the best ones all night. Chandler was all over the damn place. Not helping anybody.

It seemed like I like to give me a bit about that. because he's three wide by himself half the time. But yeah, just take us through your race the other night. Yeah, it was good. You know, that's super speedway racing. I feel like for JGR, at least the past few years that I've been there has kind of been the weak point. You know, we've usually got speed in the race, but we're just not quite there. When you look at RCR, colleague, JRM, just have been missing a little bit.

But this race, I mean, we got the poll. We were all four in the top six, I think, in qualifying. So that was a good start. Yeah, the car just was awesome in the race. I could kind of put it anywhere I wanted. And I don't think I ever, ever got hung out or stuck in the middle or anything like that. The only time I went to the back is when I missed my pit stall completely, just drove right past it. Yeah.

Yeah, Tyler counted me down. And he was like, three, two, one, his voice got higher. And then he's like, all right, just keep that. Just keep on going. Never mind. Yeah. So you had Tyler Green spotting for you. I was just a spotter podcast.

Like, what's it? What's it mean? I mean, you probably, did Tyler did the first race you won this year? Or he bounces around a little bit on a couple different cars over there. But I mean, somebody like Tyler helping you, like, what's that mean to you like in your progression? It's awesome. I mean, anytime you work. Which he is over prepared, by the way.

Oh, yeah. I love info. And, you know, week of the race, he'll send me, you know, SMT, pictures, video replays. A whole, he sends me like in the notes app, all of his notes. But you can't get too much information, especially when you're me and you're part-time. You're out there every week. He's there every week. So he's picking out on stuff that I probably wouldn't even watching the race.

Yeah, Clint, Clint ran the seven truck, which Tyler also spots for. And he called me like a couple days before the race. He goes, listen, if they give trophies for spotter preparation, I'm winning. He's like, it's over. Like this guy sent me videos, SMT videos. Justin, when Justin ran the 20 car at New Hampshire, he was saying the same thing. He's like, I don't even know how to absorb. This guy's, I don't even know what I'm looking at.

it's charts and grabs. But he goes, I don't even know what the hell I'm looking at that at the time. Yeah, he's, he's awesome. And yeah, in the race, just, I think having somebody that you trust up there and having somebody that has raced, I think is a huge part of it. He's just, you know, he's good at communicating with me and helping me understand what he's saying, especially at a super speedway. There's so much info.

And he's basically talking at all times. Yeah. Unless we're up front, like leading saving fuel. But even then he's still giving me info on what's going on behind me. That was the biggest thing, especially leading. It's so easy to not know which lane's moving or where the momentum is or how to keep your gaps right. There's a few times I'd get too far ahead. So we worked on that.

But yeah, he did a good job of just giving me the right info to control the race. That's probably a, you know, whenever you look spotter switch jobs, it's probably something that just doesn't come naturally. Or, you know, it doesn't come with a lot of the, there's not. not a lot of connections like that on the roof. There's not like, you know Bubba really well. Tyler, you guys said you work really well together. And, you know, from like I know Brad really well, you know, if they were to switch spotters, any of these guys that have had the same guy for while, they're not going to be comfortable. You know, if Bubba had to change spotters next week, he's going to be, it's going to be off. And that makes the your job. I mean, the comfort in the car, like you,

you just, like you said, you have that trust in him and you move. He says move, right? And it's, It's, you know, that's not something that, that's not something that, that happens. I would say it's, I mean, it's hard to come by that, in my opinion. Yeah, no, for sure. And I've, obviously, I've worked with a lot of spotters. Last year, I had Stevie on the roof for Dover, and I've had him a few times this year. And same thing, I have, I have experience with him. I've worked with him, you know, since I started my part-time JGR career in 2022.

too. And he did my truck back when I was at Nice. So that's another one. I just, I know him well. And it's easy. When he says something, you know what he means. Right. Exactly. For sure. Yeah, that, I mean, at any level, it's all about people and having the right people in place, especially in a sport that's this hard and this hard to win. It's definitely hard. If you don't have every piece in place and in the right spot, it's just not going to work out. Yeah. Our useless third host that's not here today sent me two questions he wanted to ask you about first of one what is obviously we talked about you've only run three full-time seasons what's the hardest part about finding a full-time ride is it just money yes it's basically money yes um but it's so hard to you when you don't have

anything and you can't you know there's guys out there that can guarantee this much money and then sell against it for nine months and you know they're going to find most of it when you've got nothing and you've got to commit, you know, millions of dollars. It's really hard to just find all that, put it together, and show up to a team and say, here you go. There's not, you know, there's not sponsor spending full-time money at any level. No. So you've got to piece it all together.

And it's just hard to put all the pieces in place at the same time, especially when there's, you know, there's 20 guys out there all trying to do the same thing. And especially, like, I think you, there's, I don't want to speak for you, but there's probably some opportunity somewhere to go full time that's not, you're not going to win. Right. You know what I mean? Like, how much do you weigh?

And that's got a way on you. Like, all right, I'm going to the racetrack today and I have no chance to win. Like, yeah. I mean, that's got to be like that's what we talk about on here all the time. Like at some point, like when we talk about priest is a good example of he ran that year in the Johnny Davis car and nobody knew who the he was. And then he instead took that same money and went and ran three races for JGR wins and elevated his career to where he's at. You know, that's the, I think, where do you weigh that? Winning is everything, right?

I mean, at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I feel like my stock has definitely risen in the past year and a half. And if I hadn't, you know, if I'd been racing full time riding around in 15th to 20th, you know, I'd probably be done. Yeah. Because, you know, I'm older and I haven't won. Yeah.

So at this point, my career with what I've done and how long I've been around, it's, yeah, it's just all about winning and continuing to. you know, prove that, you know, I'm a valuable asset to a team and I can help build a team. Obviously, I've done that a few times in trucks and Xfinity. Yeah, just all about winning. Brett's second and final question. What's the story behind the hair? I knew that was going to be it. I should ask him the same thing.

He doesn't have any. I know. He wants to know because he can't grow any. He wants to know your secret. He probably like you to cut some off and give it to him. Honestly, I would. love to. Or if you have a special shampoo, he's going to buy it. Special hair growing shampoo. Yeah. He, uh, yeah, he doesn't. He needs some hair. He gives me about being gray. I'm like,

well, it's still there. At least that's a good start. You imagine how weird Brett would look if he could just had a full head of hair again. No, I don't. He would look so weird. I don't remember. Like, when did the, I don't, what did the hair start? Because I don't remember, it wasn't for me. For me. K and N days. Uh, well, 2020 when we, nobody could get a haircut. Yeah. I grew it out a little bit. And Leah, my fiance, I kind of like it. So I just went with that and kept growing it. It's a little too long now. It really, so I had at Dover this year, I put a hat in my car in case I won because my helmet hair is just outrageous.

And it got, I lost it under the seat. Couldn't find it. And then Daytona, I was like, all right, got to remember my hat. And I didn't take it with me. So I was hatless again. My wife, my wife actually made a comment yesterday. We were out hanging out. and she's like, Ryan did the most hair flips in Victor Lane that I've ever seen anybody.

It's so, it's so annoying. So it gets in my face and it's just, did you have a hat on the races that you didn't win? No, no. I was going to say, I'd be giving that hat out. I was going to say it's like a good omen. Yeah. Maybe just have someone run out with one.

Maybe the crazy hairs that take it. It could be. I mean, just plan on going out there looking crazy. It's a lot of work, though. I really want to cut it. But, yeah, I might not be in. aged anymore if I do. That's what I mean, listen, that's a happy wife, happy life, bro.

I'm going to tell you that right now. So we appreciate it stopping by. You want to hang out and hold a little while? All right. Well, let's talk a little Daytona. Well, before we get into recapping Daytona, we have the winner, Harrison Burton on the line, another special guest. Grab the 100th win for Wood Brothers, lots and lots to talk about surrounding that.

So we've got him on the line. Freddie, take it away. Well, Harrison, thank you for calling in. And the only thing that I have discovered, over the last 24 hours is you're a hard guy to be mad at. Your team, your team is a hard team to be mad at. Like,

you're too damn nice. Everybody on your team's too damn nice. Everybody's happy for the Woodbrother. So as much as I would love to be mad at you for knocking us out of the playoffs, congratulations. You earned it. You did a great job and we're really proud of you. Thank you.

Yeah, it means a lot. And, you know, Baba came to Victory Lane and kind of said the same thing. You know, as much as he hated that I won. and, you know, kind of put you guys in a tough situation going into this weekend.

He was happy for me. I mean, him, I've had a good relationship throughout kind of my cup career, and he's been really nice and kind to meet. We've also yelled at each other sometimes, but that's how racing goes, right? So, you know, Ross did the same thing. So I think just I have, like, the shield of Woodbrothers protection, like anyone used to the Woodbrothers. And that's great.

I'll use that as much as I can, no doubt. Yeah, Jeremy and Jason, both really good friends of mine. So I was like, man, I really would like to hate these guys at this moment, but I don't think I can do it. Take us through that race, man. I went back and watched this morning to see where you were at in that big McDowell wreck and you're kind of like pinned up against the wall and skate through there.

And then obviously find yourself in the right place at the right time at the end. Just take us through the end of the last 10 laps at least. Yeah, I mean, for me, it was unbelievable that I missed a lot of the wrecks that we missed. I was right in the kind of zone for especially that McDowell wreck where I saw literally is door number or sorry roof number flying right directly at me. I'm like, okay, that's solid. That's going to hurt. And then, you know, somehow I got slowed down and just no one hit me from behind.

And like I snuck through there. And then the last wreck where I was running and Todd was right behind me. We were both talking about it. Like we were getting ready to pop top of three wide and try and make a little third lane action go. and then, bam, they wrecked right in front of us and I snake through. Todd gets taken out like a half inch behind me.

It's just unbelievable. Just the things have to go your way to get into the situation that you're in at the end. And then to execute the way we did, I think Jason Jarrett, my spotter, did a fantastic job of letting me know what was behind me, where the energy was coming from behind me. And I was able to really focus on, you know,

kind of executing the side drafts the best I could to keep the 20 separated from the 8, keep their momentum kind of checked up and make it hard for them to get connected. And then old Parker Redslaff just did an amazing job. We had like the underdog row on the top lane that kind of got it going, got connected. And that was pretty badass.

Just he did a really, really good job of pushing me really hard when needed to, but not wrecking me. Like he had me sideways multiple times and was smart enough to regather, take a second, and then go again. instead of just running through me. So that was really, really cool. I think he did a great job.

And, you know, it was fun. Just blocking the 8 at the end. When I got clear, it's funny. Like, you run your whole race is like, okay, my goal is to get clear of everybody going off a turn four. I was like, okay, great. I did that. Now what?

And it was like, oh, shit. You know, I was having to block left and right up and down about crashed a couple times. And, you know, just fortunate that it worked out the way it did. And we could celebrate the 100th win. I want to know when you think. thought you were in a really good spot. Like going down the back, halfway down the back, when you got clear into three, when were

you like, okay, this could happen? I think the biggest thing was I clamp the 20. So right rear really hard and then drug back. And then I looked in my mirror and Jason was like, they're formed up tight behind you. And I just knew we were going to get a big massive run down the backstretch. And then as I started getting that forward momentum and the engine RPMs pick up, you just know you have a big run. and I think I had a pretty decent run down the back

to where Kyle was going to have a hard time blocking it. I think that's why he didn't block because we had a big enough run that he might have crashed or got hung in the middle there. And then, you know, once I got clear, it was, like I said, there was a bit of a panic moment because I'm actually clear with the chance to win right here. And then, yeah, I think listening to Jason, he might have been panicking a little bit too when he saw the eight get clear.

He's like, bottom top, bottom bottom. But, I mean, he did what he had to do. And you did a great job. You might be able, maybe you can give McDowell some pointers on how to block a couple lanes there. You're still better about that, huh? No, I can't tell, can you? No comment, no comment. Well, congrats, man.

It was awesome to see, man. Like Freddie said, though, a really great group of guys. Man, the Haldreth win, too. I mean, that's pretty amazing. You know, it's got to be really cool for you to have that win with them. Yeah, and we did it in most Wood Brothers way possible, right? Like we got kicked in the teeth so many times. We've had chances to win at a couple of races and failed to execute.

You know, we've had weekends where we flat out run horrible. But through all that, we never quit on each other. My whole team believed in me. I believed in them. And that's what made it cool is while I'm on my way out of that seed, I lost my job, all that horrible stuff. They still kind of believed in me and rallied around me. and, you know, that genuine happiness for each other at the end of the race is even more special when you've kind of been through hell and back with those guys.

So just really, really special, fantastic to get that win for them and couldn't be more proud. Talk about the end of the race. Take the checker flag. Obviously, I would imagine I don't want to put you on blast here, but you're probably crying in the entire cool down lap. The coolest moment for me is you're rolling through three and four and next voice you hear on the radio is your dad. Like, what does that mean to you in that moment? Don't cry now, please.

Goosebunks when you saw that. Yeah. Let me try for your camera. I'm going on. I don't know. I put myself in the eye. I did. I actually did. I bawled my eyes out down the entire cool down lap, which I've never,

ever, ever cried after a race win. Never even thought about crying after a race win. But just what we've been through, man. It's just so hard. And, you know, the circumstances, like I've said, to get that win. And then, like, literally right as I, like, got my wits about me and I'm, like, excited again. I'm not, like, crying.

My dad gets. on the radio. He's like, what's so bitch? Yeah, man, it was really special. And he's been the guy that's, you know, pushed me really hard. My whole childhood, he's been the guy that's been there for me. And the ups and downs of racing that everyone has. And his big thing, he's just never give up and always show up and put effort in. And I feel like I definitely did that our whole last three years. And you just can never quit and you never know what's going to happen. So to hear his voice and then for NBC to let him

off the hook, he was on the clock and then he like just ran down there pretty quick. I gotta give him credit for an old guy. He hauled ass. I was impressed. I don't know how man, he's old. His back hurts all the time. He was moving. That was sweet, man. It was awesome. It was so fun.

And, you know, for him, my mom obviously very excited on the pit box. My fiancee, Jenna, that was the first win that she's been there for. We've dated since high school, but she's never been able to be in victory Lane just because of college or whatever it might be COVID, all those things. So for her to be there was special and just enjoy it, man.

It was really fun. It's weird for you to say your mom got excited on the pit block because she's very usually, very calm, never really excited. She's very non-emotional person at all. Before I let you go, I just wanted to give you an opportunity, as always, as you see on social media, there's always, there's going to be some kind of negativity around it. And a lot of people are complaining about the playoff system.

because of where you were in points. Like, how do you respond to those people right now? But, I mean, you did what you had to do. So, like, how do you respond to those people? I mean, I get it. I mean, I don't care. I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, that's the rules that were laid in front of us and we want a race. And, you know, I don't, I don't, what I've seen on Twitter, which is right or X, sorry, has been pretty rare of where it's like pretty reasonable where it's like, don't hate the player, hate the game scenario. It's like, okay. Like, you guys are using your heads right now. That's nice.

Like, I haven't gotten a lot of hate for winning, which is interesting. I normally get a lot of hate. It's just, you know, for me, it was cool. Everyone was most, I'd say 95% of the people were genuinely happy that we won. I think it's, like I said, I've got that Woodbrothers protection, man. So I'm good to go and it helped me out for sure. I mean, we all had to save my opportunity, Harrison. You got it done.

So I don't think there's any. You got the trophy. You got the check. You got the playoff win. And I don't think they're going to take this one away. So I think you're pretty good. Yeah, I feel good about it, man. It's pretty special.

And now we have the playoffs to get ready for it. So we can't waste the opportunity, man. We have a great opportunity in front of us. Just have to keep digging. Man, we appreciate you dropping by. Congratulations. You can kiss my ass. Thanks a lot.

Go enjoy it, man. Enjoy all day. I love you. You're welcome. I will enjoy it. Thanks, man. Good job. Yeah.

Thank you guys. See you. So, T.J. Where'd you end up? I was counting on you. You were the closest one to the front that I needed to win and you let me down. No, I didn't let you down. I don't know.

Why'd you jump that restart, by the way? Because I wanted to let you down. Because I thought you were in pretty good shape. And then I heard restarts on the review. And I said, oh, I just, you know, you're trying. And honestly, at plate race, I mean, it's really hard to jump a restarted at a plate race because it's all about your help out back. I mean, it doesn't really, it doesn't matter if you go. If the guy behind doesn't go, you're done anyway.

So there was a couple things that added up, I think, to getting that call. One, the five, I think Brad's driving off the two. He's looking at him. And the five gives the two a little bit of a bump. And he moves and Brad goes a little bit. Well, then Brad notices the two is not going. So we wait a second. The two then takes off and we go.

And I mean, we were, the two still got the lead clear out in front. I mean, to me, I didn't. It wasn't like we were going to block, get out front and block the air and take it away. you know what I mean, but I don't know. Ryan, what are you in the car, front row, not the control car? What are you looking at? I mean, I don't know how much you can even see with the new head raises up. But like, are you just looking at the nose of that car and waiting for a lunge?

Are you just trying to anticipate it? You're listening. Listening. Yeah. But at a super speedway, before you even think about going, you're getting hit. Yeah. Every time. Every restart Saturday night when I was leading, when I was in second, I was not firing.

I was getting hit. Yeah. That's like, all right. It's time to go. But you don't have a choice. Once you get hit. you're going. Yeah.

So that's a tough one. Yeah. You bounce back. Where'd you finish? We literally bounced through the infield the last straight away. Did you get Rick? Well, yeah, a host of our was going to drive through us at start finish line. We were the one sliding down through the grass.

We were right inside of you, I think. Yeah. And that sounds bad. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, we ended up finishing like a still, which is, you know, it was getting the penalty. I don't know if it was, if it saved us or if it hurt us because. if we are still out there,

maybe we get caught up in that big rack. I was just saying, because you pit probably right before we all wrecked, right? Yeah, we were out there about four or five, maybe four or five laps and then then he all wrecked. So I don't know. We could have very well been right in the middle of all that.

We could have been, you know, you get in turn. So we come back and had a, I don't know, had a shot at it, but you're probably not going to win from eighth or so on the last, you know, green white checker, a three to go or something.

It's going to be pretty hard to get up there. But still a solid day. I think we were one of the cars that, didn't have any any uh we weren't any rex until the front stretch on the start finish line so but still we just spun down through the grass didn't hit anything so um i think we were a high point total of the night are you yeah yeah i think so i think we were six seventh and i don't really want to talk about points yeah i just figured that was a good word touch a subject touch but no i mean it was a it was a it was a solid night kind of quiet after the penalty but i really feel like we had a shot at

winning until that point, but yeah, it's what it is. We kind of, we, the plan we had going in was obviously the same as everybody else safety, which I was surprised. I don't know if you were. We knew the first stage. Everybody could run the whole stage that was not having to save. And that third lane formed up better than it ever has. I thought like, and I was like, oh, we're going to actually be able to race today a little

bit. And I don't know how much is going to affect later. But, you know, the, we were, we were planning on saving the second and third stage. And we restarted on the bottom and we, we drove to the lead. and then Bubba just led and I'm like Yeah I was like I don't know

what the shit he's doing I guess we're just going to leave I'm just going to keep spotting like we're going to try to keep the lead

and in Bubba's mind which he was right he's like I felt safer there he's like I was obviously running probably 40 50% throttle but he's like I felt safer there and then sure enough they had that big wreck with Corey

and Larson and Ross and them on the front row yeah yeah from the front oh no they wrecked midpack oh yeah the one with Lejoy and then yeah yeah okay yeah

yeah but so I was like, I guess we were safe. And then we know everything else played out right. But obviously we got new winner did not help us by any means whatsoever. I feel we're having such a so much of a better season this year than last year. And we're out. We're out. You know, at this point.

So. And unfortunately for us, Bushers seems to be pretty good at Darlington. So I'm not to call Tyler. I'm going to call Tyler and see if he'll wreck him again for me. So we can maybe make some points out. I wouldn't say that. Oh, yeah.

Well, you can't say that. Allegedly. I told Bubba next year about August when we don't have any off weeks. I'm going to be like, as soon as he wrecks somebody, I'm just going to start yelling, wreck him into the into the radio so that maybe I get a week off like Brandon did. I told Brad, I told actually in our comp meeting a couple weeks ago, I said before that midsummer race in somewhere far away, I said, I can hear Soako call into the tower. All the spotters are fighting. They're throwing, put everybody up here's spotter is fighting.

So, well, I was getting a week off. So anyway, Harrison did a great job. Them last handful of laps there put himself where he needed to do. Got a hell of a push from Retzloff, which we'll cover in a minute. The, I don't think the shark fin worked at least. I mean, I don't know. I don't know enough about it, but I know we had two cars flip over this week instead of one. One was a half flip.

Yeah. Didn't get upside. And that was, that was more, I think, circumstantial of just getting hit square. at the wrong time. Yeah, he never went all the way over. But what I didn't say was the four was a blowover. But it seemed like who was spinning with the four? I can't remember that was next to him.

You could see that car trying to lift. Maybe it was a two, I think. And like it never, it didn't do the same thing the four did. So I don't know if that Finn was helping that situation, but it did not help the four. And that was a, that was a hell of a. Could you imagine hitting a wall that hard upside down? Your belts aren't working very well when you're hanging in. I was wondering how that looked if he could see like was the nose dread was the nose it too far down where he couldn't see where he was going or was it up where he's like oh I probably had his eyes closed if I would.

I think that's where I would be. That's got to be an awkward. That's not a position that I would want to be in at all. But I don't think it's possible to run as fast as we do and not have it possible to, you know, have a car flip over. I mean, I just don't. I mean, you're at Michigan and Daytona. Like this doesn't happen every weekend. to Denny's point, and I don't know, Ryan, you can come under this.

Denny's like, I would rather flip over than pound a wall. Like every time he goes, you don't see, like all the, all the really bad injuries we've had in a sport are from somebody hitting a wall. Obviously, guys got hurt flipping over like the deal with Ryan at, um, a Newman at Daytona was a just a freak thing where Brad hit him at the wrong spot, whatever. But then he's like, I would much rather just flip over than pound a fence somewhere. Yeah, no, for sure. I've never flipped in a stock car, but I have flipped, and it's hitting a wall head-on definitely hurts a lot more. Yeah.

Or side on, anyway, you hit the wall, it doesn't feel good. Denny, Richmond, that was hard. To your point about the flip at Michigan, it was the most recent flip we've had at a non-drafting track was Brad back in 2010 in Atlanta. So it's been a long time since we've had a flip at a non-drafting track. Can't even blame TJ for that one. I know. Anyway, who, I obviously didn't watch on TV. you were still at the track

Saturday. Lee Diffey. I've seen a lot. I mean, the last lap call was incredible, I thought. And then of course,

like you see everybody's, no, you can't make everyone happy. And Lee, if you know, Lee, he is the most energetic person on the planet

to begin with. And everybody I seen, like I thought it was amazing. That's why I liked it because it was energetic. It was exciting to watch. It's like the radio. Yeah.

Because he has a different accent, some of the people are like, this guy's awful. This is an F1. He was just British guy. Yeah, there's this British guy. I mean, the clips that I have heard, I thought he did a really good job. I thought he painted the pitcher well.

And you know what? Which I thought the other, you know, I think, you know, Rick Allen does a good job as well. But it's a different. It's just different. And it's a change. And I think it was, he just got different wording for things. And it's like, oh, that's kind of, you know what I mean? And he uses different terms and stuff.

It's very educated about the sport. He's very educated. And I like. that he puts, every time he talks about a driver, he says their sponsor and their manufacturer. Yeah. Which is big. I think it's big. And he like, he hasn't been doing this.

You know what I mean? Like that's one of the big things that stood out of me this week. He, like he had a backstory for damn near. Every driver he talked about. Obviously, sponsor, manufacturer. And he, this is his first week back in years. He hasn't been doing this in years. So just the amount of homework you have to do to be ready for.

But like, listen, if you, if you don't like Lee Diffy or you didn't like that call, you can, you can probably kiss my ass. because I like that guy's the best. I don't give it. You can't tell me listening to that last lap and him call that was. That was pretty interesting. I saw a great tweet that was something like Lee Diffy calls this race. Like he watched it yesterday and is prepared to, you know, like, he knows what's getting ready

to happen. And he calls it word for word, what's getting ready to happen. That was as high as a pressure or like moment that you can get like with action. And he nailed it. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like Blake at the car store. I mean, does a good job.

I don't want to give Blake. We were just talking about that last week, though. I know, I did. Just like the excitement. It's sounding like radio and painting a good picture. Well, that's the thing. If you listen to an MRN broadcast of a race, you think it's the best race that ever.

And you, I got to go back and listen. We were in the race. I'm spotting. And I go back and listen on M-R-R-R-R-R-and. I'm like, they had the same track that I was that. It's like, there's a battle for the lead. You're like, they're 10 cars apart. What the hell are you talking about?

MRN, man, like, you can lay it. You can sit there and just see when they're taught. You know what I mean? Like, whatever they're, the words they use are so descriptive. You can see it. It's like spotting and, you know, it's like spotting and plate race. You're trying to paint that picture and they do a really good job of it.

How was the, um, no commercials? What was that like? Was it a full screen? So they just did the nonstop thing where they put in a two box and they just do commercials. No, really wasn't that bad. I mean, I think overall, I mean, I'm not going to speak for everybody sitting here at this bench, but I thought it was the best broadcast in years. It was just top to bottom from an announcing standpoint and then from a coverage standpoint.

Like Steve LaTart, literally his, the way he explained, like, because obviously once they had the flip right with Barry, like, they went into a whole deep dive and they did the cutaway car and they, they showed the flaps and like the new pin they've got that, like controls the thing on the rear part of the car. Like his explanation of that was so detailed, but it was concise enough to where you could digest it. Because a lot of times with that sort of technical stuff, it's so in the weeds that it just kind of goes over people's heads. In years? I think so. Yeah. I mean. Does generally like to see you.

down the hill I mean there's something wrong with slide job I'm just saying that I think top the bottom this was a really good broadcast Oh there's definitely something wrong with slide job Anyway What else we have this week? Oh SVG

Yeah, Kiwi Cup Big announcement Yeah speaking in Dale 88's coming back out 88 yeah I thought that was interesting which makes a lot of sense why now Zillich was running the 88 next year

at JRM kind of aligning with the trackhouse deal it's going to look weird Listen if you and I listen It is going to be weird It is going to be weird It is going to take some adjusting for sure You I think if you're track as you have to make this move Because instantly

Zane has obviously turned it up the last I don't know maybe month and a half Two months maybe And he's running much better But you instantly have a chance to win Five road course races next year And that's what this sport's about You know the win to get into playoffs

SVG will legitimately give you a chance to win five races tomorrow. He can win two to five races for the next 10 years. Yeah. And that's all you want. That's all you need. We talked about it. And I'll keep him there.

Harrison Burton made probably $3 million for Woodbrothers yesterday or Saturday. You know, just jumping from wherever, with 34th in the standings to 16th at worst. You know, that's a big deal. And it carries over for years on the charter side because that's what, you know, that's the charter value. And, you know, that's if you can get in the playoffs, like, I don't know where Zane's at. Zane's probably not great. I'm sure he's probably, I think he's actually right in front of Harrison. You know, if SVG runs the same as Zane but wins one race, that's the same $3 million jump for them. So it sucks for Zane, but it's a, I think it's a no brainer for tracks.

It's probably the best 8.8's probably ever going to run a road course. Same. That's not nice. Did you spot for all those years? You couldn't help the guy out? You don't think I have experience with that? But I told Bubba one time, we were at Sonoma. And I was like, all right, man. it is. I just try to get, trying to get back. I'm like,

just hit your marks. He's like, I obviously don't have any marks. I was like, well, hit somebody else's marks. I don't know what to tell you. Find a mark to hit.

Oh, yeah. All right, Carson, take this. All right. Should we do a little spot on, spot off?

Sure. Spot on. Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride around there.

I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? Since Freddy's, feeling spicy today. I'm going to start with you on the first one. One of the most historic teams in NASCAR got their 100th win at Daytona and were more concerned about how the win

affects the legitimacy of the playoff format. Spot on, spot off. It's complete bull-h-this is ridiculous. No, you got to I was kidding. It's really slow for you here. Listen, those I've seen a lot of hate for Harrison his 34th and points.

He was 30 points behind Zane. Like, don't matter. It does not matter. Those aren't the rules anymore. the top 30 rules out the window. Harrison did what Harrison had to do and won the race. That's a win and you're in system. That's the way the game is played right now. Do I think there should be a cutoff?

I don't know why they got rid of the top 30 rule. I would actually like to see a top 25 rule because, you know, I don't want to take anything away from Harrison. Harrison did what he had to do last night. He won or Saturday night. He won the race. He's not transferring out of the first round. You know, and it's unfortunate.

You know, that's just, that's just the way he is. He has an average finish of like 25th all year long. So it's, you don't, at some point in every other sport, you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. You can't make it, you know. And I don't know, the, the, the, oh, and 16 Panthers can't beat the defending Stanley Super Bowl champions and all right, hey, all of a sudden, you're in. So I would probably benefit.

I think, listen, if it's winning, you're in, like, why isn't Ryan in the playoffs? You know what I mean? You know, I get it. There's a rule against making all the starts. But like if we're just going to go winning you're in, Ryan should be in the Xfinity playoffs. He can have a, he can make a lot of money selling races in the playoffs to run those 10 races.

It's a great idea. I think you like that. I mean, where do you like where I mean, where do you stand on that? Because it's, it's, I feel like it's winning you're in. But okay,

not really if you're not a full time guy. Like what like, where does this play for you? I feel like, I feel like top 25 makes a lot of. sense. But yeah, I mean, the game is the game. 34th. It doesn't matter.

You're in the playoffs. But yeah. But then you, you know, for someone like me, if you're part-time, then you got to look at waivers and all that stuff. And it's just, they just open a can of worms. Then you can put SVG in for one race a year. He'll go win it. And then go run the playoffs.

Yeah. It's, yeah. I don't, I mean, I know what you're saying, but, you know, what if you start to season off. We start off with two plate races, basically. And we were in this scenario. We went out, we left Atlanta like 36 or 38th in points. And what if you just have the worst luck, the first seven, eight races, and you're in a lot of trouble? You're still going to be in the top 25 points. What if? What if you're not? You could have 10 bad races. You're going to be in the top 25 points. I'm just saying, what if, you know, and I don't know what the good number, what a good

cutoff is. I think, um, um, you know, it would be nice to see them cap it somewhere to where it does put a little pressure on you. Like you do got a point race. You can't just swing for the fence every week. You know, the guys back there and do that stuff. So I do think a cutoff is good to have. But, you know, what is the good cutoff? 25, 30 legitimately. Right now you're looking at 20. So P25 and points is Ricky at or P26 is Eric at 381. that's 15 points of race that's not a lot to ask for you know what I mean like I mean I wouldn't I think so I've heard some people say top 20 top 20 is

25 seems too top 25 seems like host of ours 21st I think it needs to be higher than that because them guys have had speed this year at times you know the Ricky's been fast I mean Ricky's been fast at times and I feel like if he were to get a win you know what if he gets wrecked here you know and he's out of there but he you know he has a winner he could have won Iowa I mean he was pretty fast at Iowa and he gets knocked out because he's not top 25. I still think there's some quality cars right there that you would kick out.

I just think it adds an extra layer of drama. Okay, this guy won, but he's not in yet. Now he's got to go out and perform these next handful of races and get himself to this plateau of 25th or 30th, whatever it is. I don't know. It's just, like I said, it's, I don't want, I, Harrison did nothing wrong. He doesn't deserve any of the, the, he's getting about the playoffs. But it's hard to swallow when we are probably 80 points higher than we were at this point last year. And we're going to, we're on the outside looking in going to the last race because we've had five guys or four guys behind us in points win races.

How many more points do you have than Harrison straight up right now? I'm looking at right now. I have, we have 637 Harrison is 306. That's hard. That's hard to swallow. I didn't mean to make it worse on you. Sorry. Like you look at, you look at, you know, going into the race, he was like 260.

points behind the cutoff line. And I don't want to make it seem like he did anything wrong because he did. He did a great job. And it's just, but it's like, damn it. Like we're having a good year and now it might get a race. Hey, even taking here. Absolutely. We should have won a race.

Did we put ourselves in this position? That's the end of the day. 2022, there was nobody made it on points, right? Like Martin got, did Martin make it? No, he was out. I think he was like third or fourth and straight up points. And yeah, that's right. There were 16 winners.

So, geez. Yeah, it's tough. All right. Next one. RCR should reconsider their alliance with the 62 after Parker Redslaff pushed the 21 past the eight and denied Kyle Busch a playoff clinching win. T.J. Yikes. Yeah, that's probably going to happen.

I don't, I mean, I'm spot on for Parker doing what he had to do because he put his name on the map right there as well. And, you know, he did what he was supposed to do. I don't, I mean, the bottom row didn't link up how they should have linked up. When they come off the corner, the 20 gets to the eight, and I think he hits him a little bit too hard. And he gets him sideways a little bit and they're not connected. And the 15 hits the 20 and comes off of him. And man, they're just not, they're not doing as good a job as the outside lane. And I don't know what if Parker, Parker's going to be getting.

If Parker lifts right there anyway, he's getting run over. I mean, he's not, I don't know what. you're supposed to just pull up and get out of the way. Well, that's not right. I mean, Parker's there to try to get the best position he can. And I don't know, you know, maybe, maybe they should have chose lineup a little bit differently. Maybe, you know, maybe Kyle should pick different lane or maybe Parker should be different land. They were planning on doing that. But I don't see how Parker does anything different right there. Because if he lifts, he's going to get turned. And if he gets turned, he clips Kyle and wrecks him anyway. So the only way to really make that work is if you're nose to tail and helping each. other and doing all you can, which I don't think the bottom lane did a very good job of that. The, it looked to me like, and listen, like you said, the kid's there to win the race. That's first and foremost in his mind. Second ever cup race. Yeah.

And I mean, the first one didn't really count. Well, which was ridiculous in the fact that he had to even run that race to get approved, which is another whole different topic. But he's there to win the race. And I think he was very, I think his thought process was if he could push the 21 out far enough to clear the eight and get in front of the. the eight, he had a legitimate shot for the eight to push him by the 21 down the front stretch, but he didn't get clear. He was a foot from getting outside the quarter panel, Harrison. And it's tough because you listen to the radio communication and they basically told him to pick

behind the eight. He didn't or behind the 20, which was in the eight's line. He didn't, which was wrong. If you're going to manipulate it, the way you do it is, you pick behind the guy and don't push him, which I think they also told him, don't push the eight, don't push the 21 pass. and send it like the fuck that's fine um but it's hard to at what point do you does it come into race manipulation you know you're if you're if you're on the radio telling the kid you can't push this guy by this guy and he does that is he going to get in trouble for that you're not

racing you know if you're lifting off of turn to to not obviously you're not giving a hundred percent like yeah it's hard I know what's expected of him and he probably would have been the third grandson had he helped out good enough um but and But obviously now he drives a Chevy in the Xenity series. You know, he's running a Chevy in the truck and the Cup series. It basically an RCR prepared car. And he pushes a guy by an RCR car to win the race. It's tough.

Does he get more recognized by doing this or more recognized by pushing Kyle? Oh, yeah. Nobody would even know. He never got a chance to push Kyle. If he lifts and doesn't do anything off of two, nobody probably even knows he's in the race. What if he's third line on the bottom? Does they even know he's there? Like if somebody.

comes on the radio, put yourself in that position. You're, you know, there's a Gibbs car leading and you're in position where you think, in his mind, you're a race car driver. He thinks there's a path for him to win this race. And that's end all, be all. Like, obviously you're going to do what you think is the right thing for you to win the race. And at the end of the day, maybe it's not the best team decision. I mean, if I'm, what is he, 20, 21, something like that.

And it's my second ever cup race and I have a chance to win. I'm not thinking about anything else. Yeah. Yeah. I can't. And there's no, he doesn't have a cup ride. There's no guarantee he's ever going to be in a cup car again.

He has nothing to lose at that moment necessarily. Exactly. I get it like. Well, in his, in that moment, literally. I just don't know what you want him to do differently.

He, the inside did not go. They want him to not push. Well, but it's a race. And if the inside lane organized is like they probably should have, they're probably way more competitive.

You know what they wanted him to do? They wanted him to do whatever. you did off of two coming to the end of the first stage. The end of the first stage, I don't know what parachute came off the back of your car. But we all stopped. I know. You didn't do anything.

I'll be clear that you didn't. Brad did not drag to break. He didn't live. People were like, he sabotaged their line. I'm like, no, he didn't.

But I don't know what the fuck happened. We all just stopped. And I'm like, damn it, I've seen that happen before. Honestly, at the end of the 500 a few years ago, uh,

we had, we were getting shudded by Chase Briscoe down the back. And we just came apart. And I don't know. I thought Chase, lifted. Like, it was like, what are you doing? And nobody lifted. It's just somehow, sometimes how the air moves, man, in these cars. And we were in the middle and which isn't really, if you don't have really good help in the middle, sometimes, uh, it's pretty easy to drop the anchor right there. And, and you did. Yeah, we did. You drop the car. But I do have, uh, you know, last week, you see some comments after, uh, on Twitter. The, you know, like, what was Brad doing in the one when he, when he lifted or had an issue there. I still don't know what you were doing there. I know what happened there. But. But. But. But. But, you know, I was going to tweet something. I was going to tweet.

I know that's weird. Really? I didn't know you had a tweet. Yeah. I was going to tweet something like, you know, what was the eight doing off on the backstretch there? Because he looked like that could have probably been prevented. When he turned the two?

Oh, yeah. That's what. It happens. Push, push, push. Mm. It happens. Speaking of, last Thursday, Denny Hamlin was penalized 75 points, 10 playoff points and his crew chief. Chris Gabe Hart was fined $100,000 dollars after Toyota racing development,

self-reported an engine rules violation. Should I toss it to Mr. TRD hat? No comment. I mean, rule number one, don't tell on yourself ever. Like, I don't understand. Like, let them find out. Rule number one, don't bash the spotters. Yeah, about start with that.

Yeah, you start talking about spotters and everything goes downhill for you, buddy. See what happens? He's at a bad week. Yeah, shouldn't mess with it. Shouldn't mess with it. You guys have a spotters union? No. Not yet.

You're not allowed to say the word union and around NASCAR at all it. They get upset. But this sound to me, I think, so what happens is you run some of these engines multiple times. So what happens is if you win a race with an engine that you intend to run again, they will put a seal on it to inspect it whenever you are done running instead of tearing it down right there. So Denny ran that engine at Bristol, won the race. I think he ran it again this year, maybe Darlington. And then somewhere, somebody got lost in communication. and it went back to Costa Mesa and got just to assemble, you know, taken apart and the seal got broke.

And they, to their credit, there was, they told on themselves. They were like, hey, listen, it's on us. We screwed up. But you have to basically take the win away because of, you know, now you didn't inspect the engine after that race. So it's unfortunate, but I don't know why they were honest. I don't think. But I think it comes up eventually. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? It's not like it's not going to go undiscovered. And you're, honestly, you're like, you tell your kids, you know,

be honest up front because you'd rather find out everything right now than you would, you know, yeah, whatever they find out. Yeah,

what if they find out in the playoffs. I mean, I feel like it's, you know what I mean? Like, it could be worse. Yeah,

this is, and this is a bigger, I mean, it's a 10 point penalty, but it's also. It knocks them way back. It took them from, I think,

third to sixth or something. He's eighth now. So that's a, that's another five point penalty basically right there. He's behind you. Oh, we moved up. Apparently.

Sweet. He had a shot at the regular season, I think. Yeah, he was still in contention. Another 15. 15. It's 15 to the other top. So, I mean, that's a, that hurts a lot. And if you just don't talk about spotters, good things will happen in.

Yeah, Danny. Perfect spot for you. It just keeps adding up for him. Now it's time for our favorite segment reaction theater where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction theater is brought to you every week by a consumer. Cellular. Consumer Cellular has the same fast, reliable nationwide coverage is leading carriers, but with plans starting as low as $20 a month. And now for a limited time, get their best deal a year. By any phone when you switch to consumer cellular and get two months of free service.

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it's no honor why he lost his job and maybe he has a concussion he had two brains though he'd be in a diaper right now for you have a concussion

Cory Lejoy is a terrorist times of Corey Lejoy to start stacking burgers because he went from no DNF's prior season now

two flips and in 24 we're not even done rookie teammates are kicking his ass no wonder he's getting into this car did he flip twice?

I don't think just once did they say stacking burgers stacking burgers yeah that's tough uh

poor Corey nice kid yeah I don't like that you don't like that for him you don't want to see him stack burgers well just that was mean what you're talking like

I don't know I don't know if I don't know if you're aware our callers are not the nice Well, yeah, no. I've caught on pretty quickly. I think it goes to Dario, because they're the best. They have good hot dogs there.

I don't think I've ever been to it, Dario. It's good. A what? Dario? You know, no disrespect to Lee Dizzy. He might be a great guy. Might like to have a good time. But replacing Rick Allen with him,

it's just terrible. I've been drinking all day. Got the TV muted, listening to M.R.N. I would rather listen to T.J. smack. glimpse for four and a half hours than listen to Lee Diffie calling that car ride.

Thanks for calling, Rick. The best call made all week long was NBC putting Lee Diffey up in that booth. On the last lap, when he was like around the outside, gave me what you want? I lost my the hair or my nutstack

stood up. Fantastic call. Fantastic grace. Love it. Ready for the playoffs? Hala. Halla. We should let those guys talk to each other. Wow. Just share their phone numbers so they can talk about it. There's no way you don't like Lee Diffy. He's like the hardest guy not to like on the planet.

Well, I think it's funny that he said, I listened to MRN when I muted the TV, but we were just talking about how he sounded just as exciting as they do on the radio. That was a perfect example of NASCAR fans. One loving something, the other one came. No middle ground whatsoever. Any topic. That's the exact reactions you'll have.

Every time. There's no bathtub. There's no hot tub. At this point, I mean, I'm just assuming there's just an electric chair for us Kyle Bush fans at this point. I mean, get so excited we dodge every bullet, we dodge every wreck, and get beat by somebody who runs in the rear all the time, pushed by somebody who don't even race down to our all the time. Let that sink in. Let that sink in.

Everybody's all celebrating. Harrison Burton's in the playoffs. I ain't heard his name all year. Oh, Harrison Bird spins off four. Go away. I mean, geez, dude. At least be happy that Kyle was able to be finished. Yeah, he did an interview and it wasn't outside the infield care center for the first time.

Somebody needs to check on that guy. Geez. I hope he's doing okay. No electric chairs, but he don't know. It's not worth it. I got something to rant about. When these drivers get into the infield care center, can we not put a TV in the car center?

Can we not put a TV in the? hallway or something so they can stop coming out and saying, I haven't seen a good replay of it. Every single one of them. We're not afforded TV so they can see it. What's going on here? Have you ever? That's a really good point. Have you ever come out and said something and then watch the replay and you're like, oh,

I think they all have. You could tell because they start talking a little slower. Even the biggest one that stands out to me was whenever Carl did try to flip Brad or it did flip him at Atlanta, whatever you want to call that. He was, they interviewed him after the race and he was like, yeah, he just didn't give me any room. Then they like, here's replay. And he literally goes, oh, that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought.

You could see his hands. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Or not it was that way. Whenever they got, like, Brad was inside him and won and Carl, like, crowd him a little bit. He thought Brad came up in him. And he was watching replay. He was like, oh, it's not as bad as I thought it was.

Probably didn't need to try to. I thought Bob was going to kick Carl's ass that day. As a Canadian, just to clarify what was said last week, they do play the American anthem at any sporting event in Canada where there is an American team playing. So does NASCAR need to play the Canadian anthem? No. But as a fan that hasn't missed a watch in a race in over 12 years,

spends thousands of dollars to fly to watch a race live in the Great USA, I say thank you to playing the Canadian National Anthem. Please, NASCAR bring a race to Canada. but for the love of God, don't make it, Montreal. That city is the armpit of Canada. You think Montreal is a great representation of Canada? Well, then I'm sorry, you are an idiot.

You don't think he likes Montreal. When I heard, I'm a Canadian, I got so scared. Yeah, I'm a pretty big fan. I kind of want to race there, pretty bad. Yeah, I was, I guess I'm an idiot. Yeah, I want to go to, definitely want to go to Montreal. We went to where to hell's Mospore?

Was that Toronto? or just near Toronto or we went yeah we went it's close enough yeah it's about an hour a couple hours past Toronto oh boy Canada I don't do I can't leave the where else could you race in there like that's like I hear like please bring where are we going to race I don't know I'm sure they got tracks street race but I do apologize because last week I race that we finally they answered the question yes they do play the American national anthem in Canada at sporting events I did not know so I asked I put it out there last week and I got 4,000 sweets about it this week. I know.

I get it. You got it. Get it. So you're telling me as an answer to a fan during these playoffs, I have to care more about Cendrick, Burton, and Suarez than I do Kyle Bush, Ross Castain, Bubba Wallace. They're better race car drivers than the three that have made it in by when. I don't, I don't know.

The other guys are better race car drivers. but we got this dump. NASCAR has got to change this. Popular win for the 21 car to go to Victory Lane and get Wood Brothers their 100th win and tell us a great story. I get it. But this just really highlights the stupidity of these playoffs.

Man, it makes no sense that a guy that is last place and points among the full-time active drivers now gets a race for a championship. It was stupid when we thought it was going to be off the villain. it's stupid now. Let's simplify this because this turns the sport into a joke.

Imagine they just put Austin back in today at his appeal. That'd be great. You know what's simple? You know, it's real simple though. You know how to fix it. Win. race.

Yeah, win. That's it. Or do better. And don't wreck somebody to do it. Well, or two cars. Don't wreck two guys. You can wreck one.

Don't wreck the second guy. Yeah. You can do one, but not two. That's right. How does that? Let me ask you, does that, would that play into your mindset?

Obviously, you're not racing for championship. But like now coming to the end of the race, does that, would that come into your thought process of approaching a last corner? Like, you're still going to put the bumper to somebody to probably win the race, right? Yeah.

I mean, I don't, I don't think I've ever right hook somebody before. So I don't, I don't think I would. Yeah. I don't know. I've pulled the double in,

uh, in our 2003 a few times. Or not smart. But I've never done it in real life. That's what I said. It looked like a video game. It looked like, you know,

you're racing your buddies on eye raising. You come off the corner. That was me. When I was just. to go on Martin's account on NR 2003 at the end of the race. I got a ban from so many servers back then.

Here's a fun fact for you. Ever since Kyle Larson bragged about being a better driver than Max for Stappen, he's been beaten every week by none other than Cody Ware. Cody Ware. Shout out Cody Ware. Got P4 the other night.

He did a good job. He drove a good race. Yeah, he just survived, put himself in position, And there were a couple times, like, that he was a great, like, he was a really good, like, worker, like in, just sitting in the line, not doing, maintaining, keep it up, not really doing anything, just doing what needed to do. And then the couple cars in front of them moved and he's stuck there by himself.

And he still maintained, like, he still was able to stay up there and have a good shot at it, you know, and I'm not, I don't think he was, you know, going to hop to the outside and get a big push to the lead and get a big win. but he ran a great race, you know, a really good job. Did a really good job. Yeah, and got rewarded for it. Yep. You're out for work up there.

I don't care if it's a red flag. Stop doing stupid blocks. Get the fuck off the screen. Here you go. So we were under red on Friday night during the Xfinity race. And they had that selfie, live selfie cam. Yeah. So I did the little QR thinking, me and Hirschman were on there waving to people.

I said, this is a highlight of my. my day because Kyle just ran around and survived all race finished 14th but like we I didn't work all night so I was bored to death and I was like well we're on the radio let's pull this thing up so I got of course everybody saw it so then I was getting pictures of myself all night long it was it was just fun to fun to have fun all right here we go last call Donald Trump here Danny hamlin the biggest cry baby on the circuit it's amazing he has fed up as a sponsor but yet no one has yet to send him a package of tissues from all the borgant moaning that he has said about the NASCAR, the sport that has been so kind to him over the years, my gosh. Kyle Arson, who runs for Hendrikhars.com. It's a shanguilis. People call him the best driver ever, ever. It's amazing, yet he cannot reach the pedals.

He is a little person. And, of course, Joey Legano, Mr. Scinty-eyed, Joey Ligano. I swear he squint so much I swear he's from China He is more Asian Than Kyle Larson It seems at times Freddie, T.J. and

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And the three drivers were Denny Lugano and Austin And I was like There's no way that's a coincidence It's like it's just the big three you're back. To big three. That's funny. Those were great.

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AskDBC and we'll answer the best ones. And Brady Harmon wants to know, Ryan, how does it feel to grab a Super Speedway win before Martin? feels pretty good feels pretty good I thought for sure after that after I got that he was going to want up me and win the cup race

like it felt like it was going to happen again but it didn't I don't know the last it's been a long time since he's won a super speedway like 2006 so Trey Ryan sent he sends me and Brett stats all the time

they're just kind of off the wall he sent his stat the other day and he said that Martin's finished 23 consecutive plate races and I was like that's pretty impressive for a guy that doesn't seem to be very good at plate racing.

Not that he's not good at it, but it's like always just happens to, I feel like. And I was like, so I said, what's his average finish or what like I said, what's it? And he goes, yeah, he said he's got three top tens and those 23 finishes. And I'm like, it's just, I feel like just always go wrong. He's just always riding in the back with like no fenders. Like that's what happened other night. Like they destroyed. He just out there. He was one Matt Kenseth block away from winning the 500. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right.

Brian says early this season, Ford's were lacking on performance, but since the midseason, they've come on pretty strong. Thoughts on brand parody or standouts going into Darlington and the playoffs. Well, go ahead, TJ. I just don't see,

I don't see one standing out more than the other right now. I mean, I think everybody's kind of got speed at times right now. I think, you know, obviously go to the amount of half. So you do think, you know, you do think Toyota's probably have, I don't know, arguably the best there. But I go back to the 600 and looking at the 600 before they got short in my reign, I mean,

Brad was trying to pass C Bell for the lead. So obviously, I think all three, I think all three are strong right now. Yeah, you come off at Daytona and listen, the Ford's have been the best at controlling the races up front. I mean, you saw the front row cars. Shout out to them. Front row motorsports locks out the front row on Friday. Friday. They've had speed at these plate races all year with their new alliance with Penske. And the Penske cars are always strong. Obviously, the 6th and 17 are always strong.

So, like, coming off of this week, they were really good. Our cars were good. I felt like the Toyoters were good. Ryan, like, we talked about the Xfinity side. Like, Austin Hill's been unbeatable and qualifying. And to see Chandler beat him in the first round, I was like, holy shit. Like, that's a pretty big deal because he's been like tense better than everybody in qualifying. So I was like, I think they got something to play with. And you talked about how strong your cars were. But yeah, so it's like TJ said, it's all pretty equal, I think, right now. I feel like anyone can win any week.

Yeah. And you don't really know who like. Yeah, we saw that yesterday. There's all. Christian. You mean Saturday. Yeah. Saturday.

Yeah. Like the three, that's the thing that kills. The three is going to win. The thing that kills me about that race. And it's obviously hindsight's 2020. But like, Austin was the best car by far that night, drove to the lead. And like, if he just finished his second and doesn't do that. you're talking about how great he was that night,

how great of a job he did. Holy-h-R-C-R's back. They got speed, and obviously it flips on its head because of what happened, but, you know, and it's hard, you can't, you're not going to want to run second,

especially when you have a fast car like that. Even, you go to Michigan, I look at Michigan. I see all three, all three cars are up there. I think, I think the Fords have gotten stronger,

though, as the years went on, as the year has went on here. And, like, I don't, I don't really feel like we have a weakness. Just a spotter. All right. Matt Case asks,

well, starts with a statement. Shout out to Kyle Bush for having some class and sportsmanship by not wrecking Harrison Burton to make the playoffs. He said, besides wrecking him, there was nothing else I could do. Do you think this will have any effect on how other drivers conduct themselves moving forward?

Nope. I don't think so. I mean, they go through three and four, and we're running like six or seven that I'm just watching these guys and I'm like, waiting for it to have it. I was like, we're, like, one of these two is going to win. There's nobody going to jump both of them.

And then they start bobbing and weaving out of front. I'm like, oh, hook his ass. Please hook it. Like, go around him. Some of a bell somehow. Or even like, Bubba's like, we're screwed, huh? I look. I go, well, not really because only ones that can't win her Harrison and the eight because

I didn't care if Parker won. I didn't care of like Cody Ware somehow won. Yeah. Like, because those guys aren't full time. So it had no bearing on us. I was like, just those two can't win. And then of the front row. So, uh, but we come off a four there.

And I'm like, oh, man, we're done. And I was like, wait a minute. He might turn him. And it just didn't work out. for us, obviously. But I mean, that's the way to do it. It's the way you should do it, but it doesn't always work out that way. Like, TJ wrecked that poor guy at Talladega. Which time? This year. Which time? You're talking about this year? Yeah, this year. This year when you got made for me here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Poor McDowell. You just hooked the poor guy. I know it.

He was just trying to block. Well, it's all the video and Netflix washed. I just told him where to be. All right. We're going to take a quick break. And we'll be back with What an idiot. What an idiot, man. Buddy, this is your gig. So. Was your idiot? You got a good one? Yeah.

Well, I, listen, I'll give him a little bit of a break because it turned out better than it was looking. But he almost put himself in the Wood Nidate Hall of Fame was Corey blending halfway up on the race track off of pit road. Corey. We almost changed his name to Corey LaPage. He, that was really bad. Like if you go back and find, I think I forget who tweeted it, but somebody. has the in car of Todd's in car, Gillen's in car. Oh yeah. And it's

sketchy. Like Todd and what you don't realize is you, you know this right, and you can't see. Like, you know, if you're tucked up somebody's ass, you don't know what the hell's going on in front of him. That's the left and you're like, oh, you kind of shade out. And what happened? He like, he makes a move into one to make a three wide of bottom. And there's a car halfway on the racetrack.

And you're like, oh, whatever. So yeah, that was, I don't know what. Like at that point, he's like 10 laps down. Like, just run the apron through one and two. I don't know how you don't hear. all right, the field's coming through the trial over right now. I didn't listen to it. Somebody said they went back and listened and he was getting that information that they were coming.

I mean, at that point, I'm so close to the grass because I don't want them to wreck and hit me. Yeah. So the rule is the blend line is you can move up at the end of the exit of the road course, put your left side tires on the yellow line and run through one and two. You don't have to. Yeah. But like I said, you're not racing anybody. Yeah, you're 10 laps down.

Like that's not a mandatory rule. Yeah, they didn't talk about it on TV. I mean, you didn't see it. They didn't say it. I saw it on TV and yeah. I saw it comment and I started telling I'm like, got one trying to blend from the apron like into one and you're like, oh boy. I mean, the whole field was coming.

We were on the bottom. So I was the same thing. Like a 10 out the front. And like the thing is you're expecting it. Like I told Bubba, I think I was like, oh, he's going to be on the apron. Well, wait a minute. Oh, he's not. That's what I'm saying.

I mean, why do you even think about coming up right there? I don't know. Who you got, TJ? I think, um, you're going to the end two weeks in a row? Yeah. I think I'm going to do it. I'm not bitter about Michigan. I don't think. Was this his fault?

I thought it was more AJ. But you want to make it his fault? Yeah. Why not? He made it someone else's fault last week. That's fine. Yeah. I just give it to Parker again for causing another big one.

I said, what do you got against us seeing the check of flag? I saw him on Saturday. I said, why can't we just race to the checker flag car, Parker? Like, this two weeks in a row, you're throwing yellows on the last lap because of you. I watching that race because I wasn't spotting it. I was watching it.

And I really, AJ had a chance to make a move. believe down the backstretch or somewhere off a two maybe is that right didn't they get single right he had the whole time good yeah yeah he had a chance to make a run and he didn't and i can tell you this the guy behind you you're once you don't make that one you're now getting the move made on you when it was soon as the next time it comes up and i think that was the chance a j had to get up front maybe and then get them racing behind you and was most of these plate races haven't seen the checker flag yeah under green yeah yeah

So Austin Hills won. How many of them? Because they get shortened. Yeah. And that's a, and Ryan, you could talk about the last lap there. You're AJ and the 48 were working together really well all night.

And you're kind of in a, you're in a bad spot. Like if they, if they, if they execute that move correctly, there's really nothing you could do to defend it. Yeah. Once we got the two to go,

all they were doing was backing up, trying to let me get too far out and trying to create a run. And, yeah, they had one on the back. They didn't. Yeah, he didn't take it. I think he must have thought it was too early or he didn't think he could clear me.

Yeah. Yeah. Coming out of the tri-oval, he had a big one coming because I got a little too far out. Yeah. And that's when Parker, Parker took his. But I mean, AJ had chances to get up front there. And as soon as you get passed by a car, I mean, your your instant reaction next is going to be to try to sew that guy down or the next car there too because you need to stop them. Yeah.

You got a side draft and until you get help and hopefully you get a push. But that's usually what creates the, that's usually what creates the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, honestly, you were, when they didn't make that move, you were, you were in a bet. I'm sure you were watching it when it happened. So I mean, I don't know what, were you looking at the side mirror, rearview mirror. Yeah, just the rearview mirror. Yeah. And you see, I mean, as soon as that happens, I mean, you're like. Yeah. Yeah. What scared me is they didn't throw the caution right away. And I was, they didn't. Yeah. I had, you're probably way. Carlanx on now. That's a helpless feeling. Like at that point, if they stayed green, you were 100% like. Yeah, that was, you were going to. Like there was honestly what would have happened is I would have tried to block and

probably wrecked all of us. So yeah. But at that point, at that point, what else do you do? Yeah. Try to win. You got anybody you want to call an idiot this week? No. No.

No. I'll tell you who's an honorary. Honorary one idiot. Poor Lane Riggs. How do you? That was going to be mine. But in a funny way. Okay, good.

Well, if I, if I was gracious enough to have one, but that was going to be mine, but in a funny way. Take the grounds there. That was going to be mine. But, like, not actually in a mean way. Dislocated his shoulder celebrating. I mean, that's hard to do. Bless his heart.

I thought he was faking it for a second. And then I thought he was going to, like, lean down to do that thing where he like, Shay. Oh, like the dance. How's that go? I don't actually know. It's like, don't they like. The Torquing guy

The whole time with the like the Oh my leg Oh my God. So yeah. It would have been awesome if he did that. I mean, what a deal that was like he doesn't make the playoffs and then goes out and wins the first race of the playoffs. Like that was a it's a big deal because if you win that race like there's only two rounds.

Right. And it's and you're basically into the next round. And there's only the finals after that. So but yeah, they obviously had some issues all year long. but yeah, good for him yesterday. I mean, he was the best truck. I thought at the end of that race

and he deserved to win. So regrets. That was cool to see. All right, how about some DBC picks? Who won? Brett Picks. Harrison.

I know. How the fuck this idiot? I'm winning this week. I don't give you guys picks. I don't matter. Who goes first? Oh, T.J. I think I do.

Yes, on the sheet. Sorry. I think I do. Direct. T.J's first and then I have K.C. and Brett's picks. Man, I'm not doing it. You can't do it. I'm not doing it.

AJ refuses to pick up shelf. I'm not doing it. He's not going to use Brad all year. I will. Oh, man. This is tough right here. Tough sledding. I will go with a guy that ran well there last time.

I will go with. Oh, I got him to you though. Jesus. Time's up. You don't have anybody good. I mean, Justin Haley ran pretty good there last time. Pick him. And like I said,

It doesn't matter. You guys aren't winning. I'll take Todd. Gilly Land. Yep. Who's Casey you want? Casey is going with Noah. I will take Tyler Reddick.

Oh. And Brett is going to go with Bowman. Okay. Good luck catching him. Redick is a very good choice. Well, who? Brett. It resets.

No, it does. No, you just can pick every driver, right? Oh, that means. The driver is reset. Yeah, but the point stole. Yeah, you're trailing. We're good. We got 10 icees.

narrow that down. All right. What's up for Ryan this year? You got more races, obviously? Two more. Two more. Atlanta and Bristol. Fun stuff.

You're just going to win on both? I'm going to try. That's good. I get almost 50% of my races. That's a good thing. You want to know, I gave you a little bit of advice. Bristol,

I wouldn't wreck the I 88. No, I won't. Is he running? Bristol. I'm really excited to race with it. That'll be cool. Rack. Yeah.

out of him. I would just. I mean, I can't. Could you imagine? No. Everyone that, yeah, I'll have no fans. I forget.

I don't know if I had any now. Hirsch. Hirsch. I thought Hirsch was going to get killed one year leaving. Was it Talladega? Kyle wrecked Dale somewhere. Richmond? And that was,

no, that was, it wasn't Richmond. That was Jeff Dickerson. Yeah. Kyle, I forget, we were going down the elevator and Hirschman had his M&M stuff on and he did not have any friends

whatsoever in that elevator. Poor guy. Not the only police has more out of Bristol. Well, man, we appreciate you stop by. Congratulations again. Looking forward to more good things for you in the future, hopefully. Good luck in the rest of these races this year. And thanks for coming by.

Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in. It's fun. Carson, thanks for coming again. We don't know if you're back next week. We can't decide if we like you or you like us. Oh, wait to see if I get the phone call. Well, if you come next week, can you just be on time?

You did. You were a little late today. Are you shoo me? I was literally here five minutes before Jay told me to be here. So you were, you're, you're a much more, punctual, punctual than our other,

other host. Shout out to Casey. Casey, we love you. No. No. Yeah. Hey, just take your rundowns when the show's over. That's all I care about.

Please. Well, all right. Thanks, where the hell are we going? Darlington. Going to be probably hot as motherfucker. Our store will be at Florence. Long race.

Friday night. Friday night. See us. So go watch Carson Black Flag the hell out of everybody. It's not me. My daughter's got a set of nice racing flags. I'm going to bring my black flag after the exfini race. And I'm going to stand down there in the front row and just wave it at everybody.

And I'm going to beat your ass. I'm going to beat your ass. Yes, he's racing. Oh, shout out, by the way. Is that announced yet? What? Okay. Kevin Harvick's racing a pro late model too.

So we'll have both owners. Shout out to Grandpa Kip. Kip became a grandpa this week. So every week we get a text from Kip. about some dumb shit we say on here. Hey, the one funny thing did you get all the, I got seen all these tweets last week. So Brett did that, where he,

Hey, Siri. Hey, Siri. Oh, yeah. And everybody listening to the podcast was triggering their Siri. I got a phone call. I got a phone call about it. Did you? Yeah, they were not happy.

Who? All three of them. I was standing there innocently. It came from the other two. They were people like, we were driving down the road. And Brett kept saying, hey, Siri. And my fucking phone was shut off. Yeah.

Those podcasts would stop playing. That's going to actually, I'm going to start throwing that in the intro. So we just did it. We just did it again. I know, but we'll do it in the intro to the show. Like, hey, Siri. That's going to be our little Easter egg for the rest of them.

All right. Thanks for listening. And we'll see everybody in Darlington, Siri. Hey, Siri. Bye, Siri. See you. Word. Check out Dirty Moe Media.

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