Door Bumper Clear - 345 | Chase’s Cinderella Clinch & Reddick’s Two Darlington Stripes

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Karsyn Elledge, Brett Griffin, TJ Majors, and Freddie Kraft are back from “The Track Too Tough to Tame” to recap a wild regular season finale. The 2024 NASCAR Cup Series Playoff field is officially set, with two bubble-buster drivers making the dance at the last minute: Harrison Burton & Chase Briscoe. Freddie breaks down a frustrating night for his driver, Bubba Wallace, and the guys analyze the Hail Mary strategies employed by several teams in the closing laps. Plus, Wood Brothers Racing President, Jon Wood, stops by to talk about his driver’s big win at Daytona, money vs. talent in the Cup Series garage, and shares a story about how he got booted out by his dentist. 21+ and present in North Carolina. Opt in req. Wager requirements apply. Bonuses awarded as nonwithdrawable bonus bets or profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including bonus expiration. See terms and conditions at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. No good. By one. Don't ever drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's right. Wait, that just because T.J. planned it that way. Ball three on the eight outback.

You come in time here. You can come in a top of your team. A lot of three. Model three, why? It's hard to get lost. I mean, seriously. Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Your bumper.

Clear. So there. Pumper. Pumper. Clear, clear, clear. Hey, everybody, I'm T.J. Major Spotted of the Six Cup car this last weekend. I also had the 88, and we have a, we're going to have a really fun show today. Yeah, Brett Griffin, this may be my last show. I've applied for two jobs, offensive coordinator and wide receiver coach at the University of South Carolina. So I feel sure I'm going to get a callback. So in the event you guys don't see me around here anymore. It's because my football team sucks and I've had enough.

I have no idea. Old Dominion was such a powerhouse in the football. What's up, Freddie Craftspotter for Bubba Wallace, Kyle Sieg, this week. We can announce now, finally, Casey has put it out there that the lovely Carter has joined us. Casey had a baby obviously a couple weeks ago with Carson filling in for her. So congratulations. Casey, Chad, Chloe. I just seen Chloe's super sassy birthday party. It looked like I've seen Brooke post some pictures of that.

But Carson, you're back with us three weeks in a row. I can't believe you made it this long. Ready for snow. And it turns out it's not because you guys like me. me, it's just because you need to fill it. So, here I am again. Are you, did you forget that we don't have air conditioning? Is that what happened today with your, I've heard enough of a turtle guy.

I'm over it. I don't know you had to wear a parka here today. Listen, when you have goosebumps later, don't call me. And it's not just a turtleneck. It's a tucked in turtle neck. I didn't notice it was tucked in. Oh, yeah. And it's a sweater.

You guys just wish you knew how to dress. I just wish I was a skinny as you are. Speaking of skinny, we got a special guest in the house. I've known this guy since he was a teenager racing late models out at Radford back in the day. Actually, went and spotted four. him. I think I spotted the truck win you had at Martinsville, too. It's been so long. If I didn't, I was standing right beside your dad. We'll give you credit for it. We'll take all the credit I get.

We'll get Brett making it about himself. Team president, John Wood is in the house. You might have. I think I did. That's impressive. That's even more impressive that you won then. Neither one of us remember it. It's probably been a long time. So I got to bring this up right off the bat. When you sat down in this chair today, you were on the phone with somebody and told him you were on a real man's podcast. Who are you talking to? and what was that in reference to? It was Ryan Flores.

Who? He needs no introduction. Everybody in the world knows who Ryan Flores is. I actually don't know who he is. What podcast is? You've got a t-shirt. You've got a t-shirt. Who's that again?

Yeah, okay. What podcast is-in-old? I mean, I'm with you on that. Like, yeah, grow that dude's head any bigger. It won't fit to the door. This is going to be hard because it's like I'm so bad about just letting loose. We want you to let loose. These three, I don't know how.

There's like no restrictions. Just close your eyes, pretend we're not here. Let it out. We have bleeps and such. We could edit, we could edit post show anything. You can literally say whatever the thing. That's the only thing that's saved us over the years. But not.

Like, he gives me crap about coming here for this, but like he's never asked me to be on stacking pennies. So, hell with it. I mean, yeah, I'm missing much anyways. Yeah, I mean. They've never asked you by to listen either. So. Hey, you don't have to worry because that's something Kale never said either.

He's been on stack and payments. He's like, well, you've got an open invitation. Anytime you want to come. I'm like, well, I never got it. Like, how am I supposed to know that? Well, welcome to the to the man's podcast, as you call it. Real man's podcast, door bubble clear. Tell me you're jealous without telling me you're jealous.

Oh, you have an open invitation anytime you want. So what's been going on, John? Not much, not much new in your world lately the last couple weeks. I'm assuming it's like slow, slow. Slow. Yeah. I've been waiting on this one because I know where you stand with the playoff thing and like he's over it we're not I'm on your side in a roundabout way like we're we can have friendly

discussion and I'm not going to oh yeah like but for real like you can my thing on this whole deal you can appreciate the fact that the team won and so say the playoff system has issues. You can do that. Yeah, it can be both. Absolutely. And it turned out after this week, it didn't matter to you guys once. No, you're right.

It didn't. Yeah. Now that you mention it. But no, like, that's been my thing this whole, because like a lot of people have been talking about it on Twitter. And as long as you can say, like, I'm happy for Eddie, for Lynn, for Leonard, as long as you can say that. Well, let me ask you this.

Back to playoffs all you want. Here's what you're referencing without saying what you're referencing. You're saying the debate about your two low in points. Yes. Having won a race, qualifying you for the playoff, fans are upset about it. That's what you're saying. So let me ask you this. When do the Wood Brothers start racing?

1950. First Cup race, 1953. BC. When did they win a cup race? 1960. Okay. Obviously, I know the answers I worked for the Wood Brothers. I celebrated there.

I celebrated their 50-year anniversary. I ran the PR campaign for that back in 2000. You ran that. You did that. I read the whole thing. Okay. So yes, I know the Wood Brothers.

You're amazing. So would you be happy as a fan? By the way, I have on a Daniel Hemrick shirt. Would you be happy if Daniel Hemrick had won in Dayton and made the playoffs versus Harrison Burton? You would be happy of somebody 30th versus 34th wins. I told Harrison,

he was on here last week for a little bit. And I told him, I said, as much as I want to be mad at you, I can't. Like for one, Harrison, Jeff, great people.

The Wood brothers, great people. John, obviously he's a friend of ours. Jeremy is a friend of mine, the crew chief. Jason Jarrett's an amazing friend of mine of the spotter. I said, as much as I'd like to be pissed off that we just got bumped out of the playoffs last night, you can't be mad at these guys. But what's the difference in 30th and owner points or driver points versus 34th?

If you truly are going to make an argument that 30th deserves to make the playoff if he wins over 34th, I'm going to send you to the bar and tell you to order a double tall of shut the fuck up. Because there's no difference. I said swap 25 last week on here. When my position on this is when was the last time somebody worse than about 17th mattered in the end? Yeah. It's Kyle Larson, Danny. It's the top four or five that matter.

The rest of it's just noise. They're there just to fill a space to make it where there's drama. If you go back and we just saw a couple years ago, 2022, we had 15 winners that year. Martin Truex was fourth in points, didn't make the playoffs. If you go back and look at the parallels of that year compared to this year, It's all the same people. Austin Cindrick won a race that year. Austin Dillon won a race.

Obviously his didn't count this year. You know, Briscoe. Cendrick, Suarez. You know, the only one that's different is Harrison and maybe because now all of a sudden it's an outrage because of maybe how low he is in points. But who cares? Like he did what he had to do to win the race. That's what the rule system is now.

If you want to argue about changing it, like you said, is it the 16 best cars in the sport going for the championship next week? No, probably not. But that's not what the rules are. And I don't know, you can't, whatever it is, even if you, if the 20, if you make it the top 25 rule and the 25th place guy and points, and he points his way, you know, he gets, well, win and the top 25. He's still not one of the best 16 maybe, but that's not what the rules are. The rules are when and you're in you guys won the race. There's nothing you can take away from that and you did what you had to do. If you own a charter and run the same driver all the time, you're essentially eligible. And you should be. Yeah. I'm sorry, I don't get a difference in 25th and 34th. That's not a big difference. To me, I think the the one thing I liked about it was the fact that you have an added layer of intrigue of, you know, say Harrison wins Daytona 1 instead of Daytona 2. Now you had that added layer of intrigue of, okay, now he's going to have to run well enough in points. And you guys might call races differently because now you're not really worried about, you just have to worry about getting into that top 30, getting into that top 25.

So you're just trying to bank all the points you can all year. And you had that added layer of some kind of drama to where, you know, now he's won a race, but he's still got to get to this to the top. this level to make it to the playoffs. But other than that, like, who cares? Like, I mean, obviously it burned us this year. We were 60 something, 50 points, I think, better than we were last year, but six guys behind us in points won a race. Oh, well. Look at how, look at how much drama there was at Darlington. Like, how much you still paid attention to that ticker of who's in, who's out? Like, I found myself doing it. It's like Big Brother. I don't know if you ever watch Big Brother. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Who's going to get voted off this week? And you really don't know until

that very last second who's done. And this was kind of like that. I mean, I used that analogy. Hey, listen, if Austin Dillon wins count, when counts, there's only one guy making it on points. Yeah, that's how it was in 2020. And the only difference was this year,

you know, we had 15 winners again. Austin's wind didn't count so two guys got in. I mean, I'm biased when I say this, but I would much rather have the 21 car with Harrison Burton in it

over the two with Austin Cendrick in it. I don't care where also. Where's Austin Cendricin points? He's like 17 or 18. Who cares? I don't think he's that. Listen, here's the reality. They're all in the top 20.

Here's the reality about how this schedule works. Here's what happens. The 21 car, when they start their season, their goal is to win a race and make the playoff. They know they're not championship caliber team at this point in time. Right? Yeah. I hate to say this, but the 2311 team of Bubba Wallace wants to win a race and make the playoff. Now, the difference is Tyler Redick, we know is championship caliber.

So having been on the teams that you just pray to me. make the playoff, that's what you're racing for the first 26 weeks. Make the playoff, make the playoff. You've got about six teams that are really out there for something different. They're out there. The 24 team is not trying to make the playoff. They're trying to win a championship. There's a big difference in those approaches. Yeah, I think there's, I think there's a couple of different things to look at. What if he wins the Daytona 500, like you said, and then has terrible luck and falls to 34th into points from there. Are you still saying he shouldn't be in? You won the biggest race of the year.

That's what I'm saying. You can't be 34th in points unlucky. Where did you start points this year? After the first two races. No, you're right. 36. You can't be that low. You can't be that low on luck.

I mean, I'm just saying. No, you're right. It's possible to be to just have a penalty. You could get a penalty to kick sure. I mean, 34th after Daytona. Yeah. Yeah, we were 36 after Atlanta. So, and I don't know where we're right now.

Eighth, maybe, seventh, eighth, somewhere in there. Are you a championship caliber team? I think we're a step below them, but I think we can make them nervous at times. I think we have a shot at it. I don't. I'm glad that's you. I mean, I'm just being honest with you. I mean, yeah, I mean, there's a lot we got to talk about today.

John, I'm glad you're here because I know you'll chime in, but Carson's looking at me like, you can't say that. No, you can. I'm just laughing. I'm just trying to keep tracking my head the things I need to worry about that I've said. Make a note on your phone every time. And we can go back every visit. He's going to have like the Sunday scaries when he leaves here.

It's usually like that. Like I'm, I don't even want to talk about it. Because I just forget where I'm at. Like, I feel like I'm just sitting around like dudes I know and I'm talking. And then it's like, that's kind of what happens.

Yeah. And the next thing you know, you get an email. It's like, hey, can you meet us in the hauler? Season of season. So John did admit he's been living it up all week.

You said he had breakfast today at the cracker bread. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that like next level for your morning routine? Well, every, let me say how many points I have. I said, last time you're on here, we went over the Chick-fil-A points. I didn't know if they were still accumulating.

Can you gift me some? So that's like, 371,000 Chick-fil-A points. That's like 45,000 nuggets or something stupid. It's like a dollar for every point, right? Holy cow. I thought my 11,000 McDonald's points was a lot. That's, damn. I remember the last time you were on here, we talked about it, and you were like, it was wild.

It hasn't got any better. I've never spent one. Never. I just collect. What point do you think there's ever going to be like where you're just like, you know what? I'm going to have 45,000 chicken nuggets. Yeah, I mean. I know the guys that work there, so I'd probably have to go to a different place that order.

If you guys ever get in a pickle, you can get a free team lunch straight up right there for the Chick-fil-A. That's like a season worth of free lunch. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's more than a day at team lunch right there. Before we dive into the show, though, I do want to ask you a few questions about your role, man. How much has changed over the years? Obviously, you were a race car driver, you know, turned all kind of different things, now team president. What is probably the most challenging thing about your job right now?

If you asked me 10 years ago, it would be getting up in the mornings, like making it before it became PM. Like, that would be a challenge. I don't know. It came when I least expected it. You know, like I'd been searching for a position that where I kind of fit in. And if you spend half your life thinking you're going to be a driver and you go down that road and then you wake up in November and you're not anymore and you make that forward facing decision that I'm never going to do this again. And that's what I did. Like there are guys that went from driving full time to be in a starting park.

And they're like, well, that's how I'm going to feed my kids. Or that's, I'll get back in it one day being a starting. No, you're not. You're going to be a starting part forever. And I just didn't want to do that. Not saying that I could have, that I had the ability, but I just wasn't going to, like, that ain't it. So for a few years, I'm like, where do I fit here? What am I going to do?

And my dad was cool enough to let me have. It's not like I took time off. I mean, I was still with the team. I just didn't have super big responsibilities. And if I didn't show up one weekend, he didn't care. like whatever and then I slowly started phasing back in and sort of making my own space and I didn't expect this jump from like low life to president in a week and it was weird how it all happened because it was the start of the season and Lynn had some health issues and he thought

he, I'm being coarse here when I'm saying this, but I think he thought he might, like, it might be the end of the road for him, but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. But he thought that at the time. And so they started thinking about continuity of government is not the right word, but like, what is it? A successor. Yeah, that's his successor. Like Game of Thrones and stuff. And I'm hooked on that this morning. And so now I've lost my train of thought. What were we talking? Yeah, president. So he was sick and my dad's like, well, let's just try this. And I, I didn't know it at the time, but he was talking to Lynn about it. And next thing, I know they're like, hey, we're going to talk to the lawyers and, like, make you president.

Yeah. Okay. So your sister Jordan, first cousin Kevin. Yep. What are their roles now? So my sister does all the marketing aspects of the team. We have a PR person. She doesn't do at-track PR, but she handles all the marketing.

And Kevin has a multi-position role. He just does kind of whatever needs getting done. And the way our family works. organization works is we all just chip in. And I know that sounds cliche or boring, but like this afternoon, me, all the ones you just name Lynn, my dad, Jordan, we'll get on a call to figure out how we're going to manage this. It's like a sign hanging ceremony where we have, we have all those driver pictures on the walls at the museum. So Harrison gets to have his picture on the wall now. And Edsel wants to come and be a part of that. Edsel Ford. And so we got to,

figure out the logistics behind that. And we don't have like a staff of event planners like a lot of people do. Right. And we just have us. And so we're going to try to figure that out. And sometimes it works. Sometimes we look stupid. But most of the time it works out.

So how often do you get back to Stewart, Virginia? In the wintertime, about every weekend. Because I get, I still have a lot of stuff I do up there. A lot of people that I know. And so about every weekend. And then in the summer, it's hard with baseball. like an idiot. I'm a coach for

I can't say you coaching. I am. Coach John. So you get thrown right into the fire this year where you got to replace a driver. You know, we always have the debate on here, money versus talent. It's obviously raging in our sport right now where guys are getting rides based on money versus based on talent.

You guys obviously took the route of hiring somebody that doesn't have a lot of money behind them seemingly from the outside looking in. How does that play a factor into your decision making where what does Josh bring to you guys? You say, we're going to get this guy versus taking somebody's money and putting them on our car. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know how to answer that.

I think part of it is driver availability for this year for 2025. And the thing about Harrison, there's not a nicer guy. Like, you can't help but want him to do well. when you talk to him the more you get to know him he's just he i don't see him as a driver i see drivers a lot of times is like guys that won't return your calls text messages you can't ask him to do anything you tell them happy birthday they don't tell you happy birthday like that's a like a little saying that i're not a saying but like yeah like metaphorically like yeah you do for them they don't do for you but it's the opposite with him he's a really really good guy so it hurts

that we're in this position where we had to replace him, but drivers signed up for it. I did it. I was there. I went through it too. You get all the credit. You get all the glory, but you get all the blame.

And you're the first one to be replaced when things don't go right. And that's, I think he understands that. I think Jeff's been around long enough. I know Jeff's been around long enough where he understands it. And like we're not bad people. for doing this. It was the same with Matt de Benedetto. You know, it, it wasn't fun into that relationship, but we had to. We didn't have a choice. And so moving toward Josh, it's just a different,

he's just different. It's not better. It's not worse. He's just different. More serious, all around, less of a, let's go to top golf. Like that, just a different, he's just different. And different in a good way. Not saying that. But, I'm looking forward to him. I mean, he seems like he's got a lot of the pieces that we're missing. Do you build the team around him or do you plug him into your current leadership as far as crew chief engineers, etc? Or do you even know yet? Don't know yet, but I would imagine it's built around him.

Whether that's a crew chief, whether that's car chief, whether it's all of it, none of those decisions have been made yet. but I would imagine that they're going to give him whatever tools he feels like he needs for success. So you look at, well, we look at it as insiders and see the heavy alliance and affiliation with Penske. When you're talking about building the team around him, who sits in on those meetings from a personnel standpoint? Is it you now that your president is still you, Eddie, Lynn, who's in there? I was in there all along. I mean, it never, it was never where I was excluded. I just was more of like a side step person.

Like I didn't have a position at the table or whatever, but I had a seat. Like I was there. It's very much that we're involved in all those decisions. And we were totally from start to finish involved with Josh. It's not a secret that we talked to Chase. It takes me a minute and remember. Chase Briscoe.

That didn't work out. Josh was the, whether he was the first logical step or the second, because there was Ford commitments there. There were, you know, they were pushing for Chase because he was a Ford guy. Yeah. But we were, we were happy to be able to make Josh an offer. And he very quickly, like, is within. minutes of our first meeting, I knew we probably had our driver.

Yeah, you got a deal done. Man, that's a, I saw a tweet that I thought was funny, but at the same time, I was like, this guy's being serious. You got a hundred wins and the next hundred are on you. Yeah. Dang. That's right. Start knocking them out.

But I know your personality. I know at first you saw that, you laughed, and then you probably were like, yeah. Yeah. You know, like people People get caught up in the moment. I remember when Blaney won his first race with us And it went from man, like it would just be so neat

If we were in position to win a race to we're going to win them all. Like this ain't the last one. It's like, are you watching the same thing I'm watching? Like, have you forgotten how hard this is? Every week. So we go and win at Daytona, I started to say Atlanta. We win Daytona.

The next thing I'm hearing is, you guys are probably going to win Atlanta, too. Just give us a break. Let's back up a minute. And it's not that we're not, like, it's not that I don't have the confidence. It's just this stuff is hard.

And I'm trying not to cuss. Like, I've done really well not to cuss. But like, it's hard. All right. You've been around for a lot of wins. Obviously, a lot of wins in your history, freaking a hundred of them. which one's your personal favorite.

And it's okay to say Harrison's if it is. Well, so I got a cut of the merchandise sales back when, I'm being honest here. When Blaney won, I was getting a cut of that and of the die cast and stuff. So I was pumped about that one. And I was pushing those things too. Like got five more days. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

That was a good. But it was also that race was. critical for us to probably continue as a race team. We had just, we'd gone full time the year before, but we still hadn't really established ourselves as like a competitive team. Even though Blaney was, I mean, he finished eighth in points or something crazy that year. But like we still hadn't really done enough where I think Ford and Motorcraft and everybody had enough confidence in us to say, okay, like we're, we're here long term. I think they probably would have, but the win, the win helped that. And so that that win probably was a big one. I watch you, TJ, I'm sorry,

I watch you guys go back to part-time racing and I'm not going to lie, man, it broke my heart. Because I was like, here is my favorite small time, small town team. You guys were in Stewart, Virginia forever. And it looked like you may be heading out of business like Robert Yates, like Bill Davis, like a lot of the small guys. You're the last guy to survive that was on that small level that didn't, you know, consolidate and chase a two car, three car, four car team thing. And then, when you didn't have a charter, I was like, man, we got to get a charter, you know, literally. So I can't imagine the pressure that Eddie and Land back then were feeling to what do we do to cement our legacy? Because at one point, I was afraid it was going away.

Yeah, and I didn't know about it at the time. Like, I had no idea it was as bad as it was. And I appreciate my dad, really, it was him, not including me in those very tense calls, meetings. I mean, I think at one point they met with every single owner in the garage trying to figure out a way to make, not an alliance, but like, hey, can you help bail us out here and we'll be absorbed somehow?

Like, they had those talks. And fortunately, they all gave them the middle finger and said, no, because had they done that, we wouldn't be here. Right. And, yeah, like, that's, we were close to. And I think going back to part-time

is what saved our business because had they tried to keep going like a lot of teams do, we would have been done. Like we didn't have the money. It was, we took what we had and said, okay, here's enough to run 36 super half-ass, or we can do 12 the right way. And that's what they did. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to, I think we'll agree on this,

as you look at this, you know, the Woodbrothers and the group that they have there through whether they win or lose, that group never changes. You go buy that truck. It's the friendliest family and people you can see. You go to Daytona. You go to, um, let's see the Italian place there. Portofinos. You go to Portofinos.

You go to Portofino's. Georgia. That's how they refer to. They know the big of the place. Oh, yeah. You go in there. You're sure to see them. Yeah.

Talk to them. I mean, hell, they're probably even by you dinner. So, but it, I mean, they are creatures of habit like no other. And it's awesome. I mean, even this last week, you go by there. And I went by there and she'll get. everyone's hand, man, and congratulate them because that group just never changes. And they're, if you win 10 in a row, they're, they're happy for you. You know what I mean? It just never,

I don't know. It's just, they set the bar on how to handle yourself. And, you know, when you walk away, you're like, man, I want to be like them to me anyway. That's what's so hard for me, because I'm just so out of control. And like everybody, like just, just what he just said. And so, like I need to tone it down and say the right things here. And I want people to be happy for those guys. Like be happy for these three guys that helped build this sport and have sacrificed, not sacrificed, but dedicated their lives to this sport and for its betterment and to make it a more attractive place.

They've helped a lot of people. So it hurts when I see the criticism. on Twitter from people that don't know them. You know, send it to me. That's fine. I can take it. But it's, they see that stuff. And it's, it sucks.

You know, it sucks to see it. I think it's cool, and we'll dive in the show after I say this. I think it's really cool that it's Eddie Lynn and Kim Woodhaw. And now it's John, Kevin, and Jordan. And Kim, Kim gets a lot of responsibility, a lot of work, and no credit at all. And she puts in as much an hour as. many hours. It's literally her baby.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, she's, she's just as much. And she's got to be married to Terry. And think about that for a minute.

I'm going to imagine. We say that we joke about that a lot. It's like, well, you know, she's struggling today, but she's married to Hall. So it kind of makes sense.

Everybody in the industry that knows Terry Hall is laughing right now because he's a special one. That's a good word for it. We love him. Pick your friends, not your family. All right. Who led John off the hot seat now? How was Darlington, TJ? How did you guys make out?

Except for getting out of 17th's way all night long? We, uh, just quiet race. I mean, we ran right between 9th and 11th most of the night. We weren't. When you were running 10th, you just bailed on it. No, we just, it's how it worked out. Got tight. We just weren't that good.

Honestly, we weren't that good. Just let Chris or Chris Busher just go by you. Which time? No. At least you had to be more specific. We actually outrun Chris most of the night. So, you know, there was some guys that were fading in the beginning that you kind of, I mean, at the beginning of that race, you look at the top six, you're like, you know, is this, this, we actually qualified. Do we rain, did rain start something?

Because you had to 77 up there. He was on the front row, right? Yeah. You trying to say. Yeah, Bubba. His car is so fast. He wrecked it in qualifying and still got the pole. So he got a special plate

He did He got a grip plate Whatever you want to call it But it fell off Somewhere in the middle Yeah Well I It was a slow decline

Like soon as Bubba got lost Fell to like Fourth or fifth You could tell It was struggling more And I think you probably Sat around 8th or so Right

7th or somewhere there Yeah I mean we were Really strong And as you guys know Like you're really strong But you got to sit your car up Yeah

So you start on the pole If you're in clean air you got to be a little bit tighter because you're going to be freer and clean air. Well, then once you lose that clean air, we had a bad restart and went from leading or second to fourth. And then once you get to fourth, you're tighter. And then you fall to six and you're even tighter. And then it's just now you start chasing the balance all night is really what happened to us. And then we got pretty good at the end.

We had a really good strategy at the last stage. We ran long and kind of flipped a script. And I think caught maybe the 17 out a little bit and had fresh rubber at the end of the run. And we were made it interesting at least. I looked up at one point. And we were tied with the 17 before the 14, which the 14, by the way, I knew the second run of the race. He was a top three car. Oh, yeah.

He was, he had great speed all night long. He was driving the shit out of it. You know, the one time he ran us down, we kind of bled, a arrow blocked, whatever you want to call it, and like kind of rode for a little bit in front of them. And you can see he burned this stuff up a little bit faded. But then every run, it seemed like they got a little bit better, a little bit better. And, but they were, they were really strong all night. So none to take away from them guys. Was Chase in that car?

I couldn't tell. That was the best race I seen him drive. Absolutely. I said on her a few weeks ago after he announced his 19 deal, I was like, he's got to get up on the wheel right here because he can't transition into a new hot rod sucking. And I was somewhat surprised he got the nod to even get in the 19 car, given his resume and given what I saw him do last year, which was running lasted every mile

and a half. So a big shout out to him because he did drive his ass off. That car was fast. Boswell, J.D. Mike Cooke. guys that I know from back in my SHR days like, man, hats off to those guys because he kicked their ass.

When Ross decided to stay out and Briscoe had a big enough run to make it three wide, I was watching a race with Colt McKinney, who's a up-and-comen race car driver, he's 11 years old. I said, they ain't going to beat this guy and they didn't beat him. Yeah, he was the smartest

I've ever seen him drive all night. He rode second, rode top three all night long, and you just kept waiting, okay, he's going to try it too hard here soon. never happened. And then he waited until the opportunity presented itself. Because like if you hang out in that top five, top three, things are going to happen eventually. And he had an opportunity. And when he when he got there, he made it work. Like so I don't know how, I mean, best race. It's close to, um, close to Homestead truck race that I, that I,

when I spotted that race for him, he drove a really good race. Homes is a tough place to be run against the fence and not hit it and, you know, finish it off. And this is three times that. So John's got a new dentist appointment. So we got to get him out of here in like 30 minutes. But I do want to. Actually, tell us why you got a new dentist. I got kicked out of the last one. How's that how? How do you get kicked out of a dentist? Carson's like, what? Yeah, I would love to hear this. New one idiot incoming. I would have needed to know this as a kid. So, oh boy. Right after COVID, I don't know if it was because of COVID or what.

But it must have been hell on dental hygienist or something. So I'd have an appointment and like to say the appointment was today. And I made this appointment six months ago. Yesterday rolls around, hey, sorry, we're calling, but we need to reschedule. Your next one's going to be in six months. I didn't even have the last one. So in this kept happening, it kept happening. And they caught me at just the wrong time with the most recent.

I gave that lady hell. And through text, and I won't do it in person, like on the phone. It's always typing. It's like free to go, whatever say you want. And it was not nice. And the next text message was,

we're sorry to hear that. Maybe you would be better, we've removed your future appointments. You'd be better served somewhere else or something like that. I'm like, probably. Did I just get kicked out of the dentist? He just got fired from the dentist.

So I think my dad felt bad for me. He claims that he had the same problem because now he goes to the new dentist too. He didn't cuss them out or anything like I did, but he goes to the new one. And I think he just felt bad for me and wanted me to have like company or something. He left willingly. So I got to make a good impression on the new dentist and not be late. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And you ate a big breakfast this morning. Right. It's going to go over well. Yeah. So I was scrolling on the Twitter pre-race and I saw a picture of Curtis Polk wearing a sign on the back of his shirt. What was that all about? Did you see it? I saw it, but I don't know what it was about.

Did you see it? I know what it's about, but I'm not going to talk about it. I think that's what the shirt was about. Yeah. It's not on your shirt. It basically said, I can't talk about the charter, right? Yeah, that's what it said on the shirt, yeah. It said, I can't talk about charters.

Are y'all like under a gag order now? So much for not being on the hot seat anymore. This one, the one I ain't touching. Yeah. Like, bro, I don't have experience this week. Don't get me in the holler. So how are the charter toss going, John? Can you tell us anything?

You just, no. I mean, I'll talk about the dentist. I wish I had some of that helium or whatever they gave you before the dentist. Yeah. Truths here. A little bit. Yeah. Why are you looking at me?

I mean, because we don't have one for the longest time. Why am I suddenly the charter expert? So, well, I'm glad you all put this topic on here. We talked about it because we didn't get anything out of it. I had to get a crash course on it from Freddie before we started. We had Charter 101 before the show started. What do you think, Freddie? I love Curtis.

I just think it's awesome that Michael Jordan is a mid-race broadcast giving NBC the nod. that you can come interview me. NBC walks over and says, point blank, Michael was nice enough to let us interview him. They ask him some questions. He politely answers. And I'm like, he's arguably the most marketable thing we have right now in all of NASCAR for a younger fan base. And I realize he's older, but I also realize my 12-year-old gets more excited about Michael Jordan being on the broadcast than anybody else. So I think we got a really good thing going, a lot of momentum as a sport.

and they better get this chart playing figured out because the top, the clock is ticking. What I will say and talk about MJ, the amount of knowledge he has about the sport, and I don't know how long he's had it, if it's just started because he's a part owner now. He'll come in our hauler before the race. We were in Daytona.

I was riding around the front with Brett, and I told Brady going to have to hang out a minute. MJ just showed up. And my hauler that day was MJ and Ken Griffey Jr. I said there's not much, not often Ken Griffey can get upstage, but he just did. Yeah. But, you know, so we're hanging out in there and, and we're talking about the race and he knows every detail of what we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish that night,

what we're, you know, who we're racing for points, who he's mentioning guys that qualified up front that he doesn't think we need to be racing around. And he was absolutely right about those guys. So like, yeah, the amount. Yeah. He's like, do you see the six? Get a bit out of it. But he's, you know, he's, he's so invested and knows every. driver in the field knows every scenario. I told what I thought about it before. The first time I met was at Watkins Glen and he's like, so what we're going to do? We're going to flip the first stage for track position and I'm like, can he just say? Like, how does he know this being to me? Like,

you know, this is he know anything about NASCAR. Like, it's almost to me like when we started, you hear this, he's coming in. And it's like, oh, Danny wants to start a team. His buddy Michael wants to be involved. He's kind of just going, this is like his golf game. And when you sit down and talk to him and all the knowledge he has about our support and how invested he is, it's just super motivating and unbelievable to be a part of. That's cool. I've always wondered like what that was like. I actually just got my contract in the email, so I'm definitely not talking any about Curtis right now. I have to look that over when the shows up. So I guess we're not going to talk about Denny Hating Spotters. Well, I mean, we'll see. I don't know what that says yet. Every time.

I think he should have to go to the first three races right here in his playoff with no spotters since he hates spotters all of a sudden. So we were we were a little off sequence. He was he did that a little different strategy and he would catch us and I mean it was a seven-tenths to a second fast when he would get to us and we would let him go like right away and I'd be like I'd lamberus right in front of me I'd nudge him every time be like hey man just tell him thanks from that dumb ass potter lambert I think Lambert probably tore a rotator cuff because he waved I know all night the other night I don't know he was in a parade he would look like the queen of England he did he literally like the queen of England he did he literally every time he did he's waving all night long

because he was off sequence from most people and it he'd blow by everybody he literally every I quit looking because I'm like, oh, what's wrong? Oh, he's right down in the corner. So you've got to look at him in a turn one. And he's just every time you're like, what's the thing? He waves. Oh, so he weighed in every, all race. All right.

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Yeah spot on It was super fun yesterday To ride around there I am spot off Damn Where did he come from All right spot on spot off Several late race decisions

Had huge impacts On the final playoff standings But the biggest two Were Bubba not taking tires And Ross staying out Spot on spot off TJ I mean I don't know

Where did you end up? We got wrecked That's right Yeah I mean We did the same thing, and I'm spot off because it didn't work out for us that time. We lined up on the last restart, and we had two buffer cars behind us, and I'm like, okay, we get the three in the 22, they'll split or something. No.

And then we line up, and we have the eight right behind us on tires, and I'm like, yeah, this is not going to go well. So spot off because it really hurt everybody's race. I cannot understand why Bubba Wallace did not pit, and I'm not a crew chief, and I don't make crew chief money. That's probably why. But I have been to Darlington enough to know other than the repave year back in the day. Like you cannot be the first guy on old tires. You can't be on defense.

You've got to be on offense. And I knew when Bubba didn't pit and everybody behind him did that he was 100% screwed. I knew when Ross stayed out that that was 100% going to make the next restart the most important restart of the night. And it was. And both of those guys making those calls were not. not going to give themselves a chance to do anything great. I get why Ross kind of did it, but there were too many laps left and the outcome was not going to be there.

So I just thought both of them made the wrong decision. Yeah. You know, obviously hindsight was once I saw that the entire field behind us pit, except for maybe I think I think Redick stayed out and he might have just stayed out to try to help us. Yeah, I knew we were pretty much. I was hoping that three laps wasn't going to make a huge difference, but we know that place it does. And yeah, so we, that kind of set us back. And like I said, if, you know, I put us in position to where the next, the yellow came out, we were running six at the time.

I think we fell to about 13th or 14th. Yellow came out. Then everybody came. So we stayed about 13th, 14th, made up a little ground on the restart, and then that wreck with Josh and, and Byron and happened right in front of us. Nowhere to go. Noah, I wanted to say he still hasn't lifted, but apparently in his interview, he said he throttled up in the middle of that wreck, which I appreciate him doing that. And, driving straight through the back of our car. So that was awesome. But the, you know, that was just kind of the position we put ourselves in with that call.

And it's unfortunate that just that's the way it went. But I felt like at that point, we did. We made a really, really good strategy call before that to, to, because it was going to, the way it was playing out, we were not going to make up the points that we needed. We were going to be about five points out, you know, behind the buck busher. We had kind of fell to eighth or ninth. He was running like 10th to 12th. And that's just the way it was going to go.

Well, when we decided to run along, and they kind of caught them guys out where we had fresh rubber. They pit like him. What happens is you either pit on the front side or you pit on the longer side. If you pit in the middle, you kind of screw yourself where you don't have enough of an advantage on the guys that put early, but now you're at a disadvantage to the guys that went long. See, that's when it kind of where the 17 ended up. And I thought we put ourselves in a good spot there because we're making up a lot of positions.

We restarted at six. I think we were even in points without a winner, obviously. And then unfortunately that caution comes out quick. We make decisions to stay out. and it kind of turned our race upside out from there. John, I want your driver hat on this one. You're the last guy on old tires. Well, you don't know you're the last guy on all tires.

You do on a restart, which is where I'm going on. So you're the last guy on old tires. Everybody behind you has pitted. Your crew chief comes on and Spotter comes on and tell you you're going to be fine. Darlington? Bull-h-ha-ha-ha. Yeah. Nope.

There's some places and there's some drivers that that'll work, but not Darlington. It doesn't matter who. who's driving. I mean, you're just not going to do it. Yeah, you can't do it. They had that caution

lap two or whatever. It was when Truex and. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And like, if you have to think, do I need to pit now,

two laps? Imagine being like going long and then being the last car. Yeah, no. And there was guys that did it, right? I think there's a couple guys

that put tires on on that closure. Yep. Speaking of that. Speaking of that, Darlington should become the cutoff race permanently, spot on, spot off.

Brett, I just feel like this is something you might be passionate about. I love South Carolina and I love Darlington and I was, it was bothering me. I love Lee Diffy. I love his broadcast, but he kept saying Darlington. And I'm like, it's D-A-R Darlington. It's D-A-R, Darlington, speak redneck for just a minutely.

I honestly got, I mean, I saw Clem Boyer tweet yesterday or the day before that this should be the championship race. And I'm all for it. This race was everything you would want in a race from, you know, surprise poll sitters to wrecks early to strategy later. I mean, it had everything you could possibly want. So should it be the cutoff race over Daytona? I would vote yes, because it was a real race. It had a real race feeling.

I mean, we're going into Atlanta. I mean, you think about next year's schedule or whatever, like your Daytona Super Speedway racing, then Atlanta's super speedway racing. I think that helps a team, honestly, like the Wood Brothers, to start at a place like Atlanta because there is a lot of luck involved and not necessarily a lot of speed. You can't go to...

What makes you think we have good? look. We had it once. You're on a streak. That's one in a row. We're going to win every week, right? Win all. Probably going to win Atlanta.

For me, I love a real race. Yeah. The only reason I'll play devil's advocate is that was a great race. I mean, I think we'll all agree. That was a phenomenal finish to that race the last 50 laps or so. But it only happened because the 77 spun out. If you don't get the cautions that lead to the guys being the to put tires on and be if you don't get if you get a caution with even if you just get that caution with

50 to go where host of our spins out you don't get that one three laps later you don't get the drama of guys doing different strategies and and different things happening um so yes while that was a great race is that going to happen every time because if if if cars it doesn't spin out we're talking about one of the worst southern 500s ever because Kyle larson's going to lead 300 laps you know so you know he was going to kick our asses all night long until you know something upsets the apple cart and you get a caution then you get a caution three lapses later. Now you got guys on different strategies and it was phenomenal. And I think that that race lends itself to guys being desperate and making that decision to where I'm going to definitely put tires on here

because the only way I'm going to get in this playoff is if I win like Kyle Bush, he was the one that took advantage of it the most. Daytona, you're always going to have that game seven moment. We're all going to be on top of each other coming to the finish line. So that's why I would still favor Dayton over Darlington because Darlington, they have the unknown of we might just run it out and somebody might lead 300 laps and it's going to, you're going to be about the race. But, you know, to Brett's point, the way that played out was unbelievable. Right. And I'm not sure if you go there in November a lot, it's going to be cooler.

I'm not sure of the race. Well, they're talking about the playoff cutoff race. But so it'd be the same time. I guess, yeah. That's all you got? That's good. Thanks for coming. That's it.

I appreciate your insight. I agree with Freddie. What? Clips that. Somebody clipped that. He's worried about his car, the debt in the hood. What do you think, John? Yeah, what do you think, John?

I think Daytona. will be Daytona, whether it's a cutoff race or it's the third race of the year. People are like, you're going to have Ricky Stenhouse driving like crazy to win. I didn't say in a bad way. You're crazy. Yeah, yeah. And you'll have the occasional deal like us that was great, whether there's luck or not, whatever. But that doesn't, it doesn't have to be a cutoff race to have that.

It's still going to have it. So now you've got Darlington that has people trying a little bit harder than they maybe ordinarily would, a little bit more extreme pick calls, whatever. So you've got two high-intensity races instead of making Daytona that last one. I'll say this about the 21 team two. You just brought up something. Jeremy, who at Freddy, you were talking about earlier,

the crew chief, he's got three first wins with drivers at the Woodbrothers. Blaney, Cendrick, and now Burton. That's pretty cool for a crew chief. Cendrick didn't win. I'm sorry. I was struggling with that one. He was a lot of him.

But he was Cedricchew. Was he Blaney's crew chief? Yeah. It was Blaney's crew chief. Yeah. So two first wins. And three overall. Like, yeah.

Yeah. I can't. I've told Jeremy this, but whenever the decision was made for him to come back and do our car and they swapped Brian Wilson with him. Before the swap happened, I'm thinking, okay, there's three guys over there. It's a 33% chance is Jeremy. That's good because that's less than half. So like, hopefully it won't be him because I didn't like, I felt like if he came back, he would, we would clash. Like, Jeremy just has a strong personality.

And so when the decision was made and it was him, I was like, damn it. How am I, like, he's going to be mean to me. And now, like, I just think the world of the guy, like, it's crazy. Like, he's just a different guy now. And he knows this. So it's not like I'm saying anything that he's going to see. Like, what are you talking about? But I mean, yeah, I think a lot of Jeremy Bullens.

Like, it's, and he, he had his first job with me, with me on my Hooters Pro Cup car. So his first real job out of high, not high school, college, was with us at Woodbrothers. Wow. Yep. Then he went to RCR. That would have been, what, 2000-ish? 2000. Yeah.

Wow. I was just born. I graduated high school. All right. The N. 500 cost Kyle Larson, the regular. season championship by literally one point. Spot on, spot off, Freddie?

Well, you can't argue the fact that it costs him regular season championship because he only needed one point and he was there. I honestly think the only way this matters is if he doesn't make the final four, doesn't transfer out of around by 12 points because that's what he potentially forfeited. He gave up five points with regular season championship. The way that call was running, he potentially gave up seven points that night, two stage wins. Actually, no, three stage wins.

It was to be 13 points, whatever it is. and the five for winning that race. Do I think he cares? No. Didn't seem like he cared the other night. He talked about the fact that, you know, he could have finished at Michigan. He could have,

you know, not wrecked out at certain places and that would have been the same thing. But, you know, the only way I think it matters is if the team still won the regular season. You know, is there money for the regular season championship as far as owner's points? I don't even know.

Like, so I mean, the team still won. The five team won the owner, the regular season owner's championship. So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it's really a mute point unless we go somewhere and he doesn't make the, once he makes the final four, nobody gives it. I don't even know they had a trophy for that. Did they have a trophy for the owners? No, no, but I mean, the driver, like, that thing was huge. Yeah.

It's like, when did that start matter? I saw a picture of airspeed today. It's a pretty impressive trophy. Yeah. What do you think? I mean, to me, it cost him four points because he got second place points, which is 10 points, or five points rather versus 15. points. You don't know that he's going to get any stage points at the Coke 600 or even five points for winning a race, but you do know that he's going to get enough points to project him

into the championship, regular season championship. So, I mean, it just came down to a decision that he and Hendrick made and there's no looking back. And I mean, even once he got there late, he still wasn't going to get any points for it because he didn't make the start. So it's not that he didn't get a chance to get in the car because of the rain out. But here we are already. talking about next year whether or not he's going to do it again and whether or not they're going to ask this Indy car driver to come run Mexico City. So I saw some of that stuff over the weekend. But I mean, what's more important? The Coke 600 or the Indy 500? They picked the Indy 500. Yeah. T.J, do you care to offer inside on this one? Are you going to go the short route again?

I don't know. Yeah, I think I don't think he cares right now. I think he's going to race for championship and it's going to be if you go out there and do what you're supposed to do, it's going to take care of itself anyway. So if you go out there and win races and you're up front and you get stage points, you're going to run for a championship anyway. Period. All right. John.

It's hard. So obviously, being the position you're in, if you've got a driver, say Josh Barry was going to run an Indy 500 next year, you know, what's your expectation of him if he's in that position? Like, are you expecting him to be back in Charlotte no matter what? I mean, it's obviously a hard spot for everybody. Was that the original question? because I wouldn't listen. No, I mean, that was just, that was the question was about.

Attention span. But I'm just saying we just adjusted to be cute. We all agree that Kyle Lars little don't care about that not winning a regular season deal. But I guess as a team president, would you expect your guy to be back there or is it something you have to work out beforehand? I feel like that Indy 500 commitment was like, and use the analogy with like with my oldest kid and the baseball stuff. Like he's on a travel team. if he played rec ball too, if there's a conflict, the travel team takes priority. Like, because it's, it's his main gig.

So I feel like the Indy 500 would be extracurricular. And like whatever is needed first with the Coke 600, that would be the priority. That's me. But I see their position in it too and how, you know, they could make that argument. But, I mean, I'm not in that spot. So I don't have to worry about it. Well, the 2025 schedule has been announced. give us a spot-on, spot off

of next season's slate of tracks, Mexico City, Larson talking about racing on Easter. I want one of each. T.J., take it away. Sorry. How much I'm talking to do the other night? I mean, Jesus.

You need a re-cola again? We need them to start throwing recolas at you. Those don't do anything. Nothing does anything. I have COVID, do you? No, I've had this for 20 years. It's my, I always, I've had this for 20 years. Yeah.

COVID for time. Pretty much, yes. He was the first one. He brought it. Yeah, I brought it. I brought it. I don't know. I,

shocker. I can't believe he said that. You didn't look at, you really look at the schedule. I looked at the schedule. Where is the schedule? Post it online. The interweb.

Yeah, it's on the internet. It's Brett. It's, it is what, I mean, give me one thing you like about the schedule. I like the playoffs. I do like the playoffs. Okay, good job.

I like the playoffs. Have been in existence for a year. I don't like. I like the playoffs schedule. I like the tracks that are in it. I think it's laid out well. I don't, maybe too many road courses for my liking,

but that ain't going to change. Did any of y'all go to Mexico? I came back with a tattoo. I'm afraid to ask where. Yeah. Is it on your loving back? I would assume that we're not going to be able to. But it involves some stuff I shouldn't have been doing.

doing, but point being... Where's it at? Where's the tattoo? Lower back. It doesn't matter. It does. It matters. Left or right cheek.

Probably the same place. Same place. Fine is. Freddie has one on his ass. So, yeah. I was with Jeremy that night, actually. Jeremy Bullins? Yeah. We were in Key West.

Oh, that makes sense. Same thing. Mexico City, Key West. Where's your tattoo? I mean, you have to say something. Well, the tattoo wasn't the point. Do you think you got a disease from getting a tattoo in Mexico? No.

You really don't want to tell us where it's at, do you? No, but the tattoo is irrelevant. It's, I was getting to a point. Like, and I don't even remember what the point was. Mexico City. Mexico City. Who went? First time to Mexico City.

I went. That was awful, wasn't it? It was awful. Like, just the, I mean, the, the race track was awesome. It's like, yeah, the race track was amazing. The experience, the customs, the, because like, we had to stop. The plane had to stop in America. As soon as we crossed.

back in. It was El Paso, I think. I can't remember that, but I know we had to stop. Yeah. Like riding the buses. You couldn't leave. If you did leave to get a tattoo, you're on your own. And that sort of thing.

John is my old an idiot. We don't even have to do it at the end of the show. I don't think I'm going to go to Mexico. We got 15 minutes to learn about this tattoo. Here's what I love about Mexico City. And this is, y'all will probably end up having to cut half this out. And I don't really get what. Oh, boy.

Here's what I love about it. The racetrack, when they announce a driver, it sounds like the fans are tearing the stands down. They are waving these massive flags. They are doing these chants. Standing on their cars, like the tailgates. It is crazy. Atmospheric is nuts. The atmosphere is nuts.

And I only went the very first year, the Xfinity series went there. I think that was like 04-0-5. 0-5-ish, okay? So that is amazing. Okay. It's also amazing the amount of money that NASCAR is getting to go down there. They're getting a lot of money. Okay.

The third thing is we do need to be international. And I was told by a NASCAR representative there, we're only allowed one point trace a year internationally. We can go internationally more, but it can't be a point trace but once. So I'm curious if that's a fact. FIA rules or something I was told. I think it might be charter. Is that what it is? Well, could you tell us?

Yeah. I said I was talking about charter. See, that was like, you baited me on that way. You knew it. You beat it yourself. Took it to the back door. So we can go international once for a points race. Now, why would that matter to a charter?

Because it's going to be expensive to go to Mexico City. It's going to be expensive to go to Montreal. It's going to be expensive to go wherever. So I'm all for it on those three facets. And diversifying our fan base, I'm all for that. Here's what I don't like. As an American built sport, I want to see us going to places where Americans can go and know that they're safe.

And I know I'm going to catch a lot of from all you people saying, oh, he's back on his Chicago train of where everybody's going to get shot that goes. Mexico City's dangerous. And if you don't realize that, then I tell you what, go. Here's a couple stories.

Actually, I'm not going to tell you any stories. But just kidding. Well, I don't want to get in trouble for telling you a story. But the U.S. Embassy told us point blank when we went to Mexico City, don't leave the hotel. Yeah. They didn't say don't leave and go get a tattoo, though. They just said don't believe it at the hotel.

It's super dangerous. You could come back with a tattoo. It's going to be. It's, yeah. There are pros and cons to everything. That's my cons. So I didn't go last time. So I'll see.

You are. Good chance you don't come back. Good chance I come back with a tattoo if I come back. My spot, my pros are at the Brett's point. You know, international points race is a big deal. Awesome to see Rocky Ham back on the schedule, which it wasn't Easter weekend. Bowman Gray is a lot closer than Los Angeles for the clash. I appreciate that.

My biggest spot off, aside from the pack that if you do the Easter weekend, you're spotting 38 weekends in a row, 28 if you're not. But one of my favorite races of the year is off the schedule. There's two of them. Now this year, next year one of them's coming off.

Darlington is losing an Xfinity race, which I hate because that is two of my favorite races of the year. I feel like the distance is perfect. the racing's phenomenal and it's unfortunate to see and to your point about road courses somehow the Xfinity series has more road courses than the Cup series they got seven next year which I don't know what do they have 32 races 33 races so I mean I don't understand why they're going to so many road courses but yeah my biggest thing is Darlington losing that Xfinity race which I love that race every year used to be Watkins Glen and Sonoma yeah

and that was it like that was it those are the three road courses and now I mean I probably We can't even name all of them. We go to some, Annie. We do go to some many. But the Wood brothers probably have more ties to Bowman Gray than any other team, Cup team for sure that's in existence as of today. How do you feel about the clash going there? I have less of a connection to it than my dad does.

Like, he is crazy about that place. Like, goes there and watches the modifies during the summer. So, I mean, he's super pumped. Obviously, going from flying to L.A. to drive in an hour to Winston-Salem, that's a plus. No dangers and tattoos and whatnot. Well, there's tattoo parlors in Winston-Z. I said dangerous.

Freddie originally said when they announced they were going to L.A. Because there was a loud contingency of fans going, we got to go to Boe McRae, not L.A. Freddie said, we can't go to Boe McRae. We're going to Boe-M-Gray. The reason why I said we couldn't go there, because I never thought we'd have a race that only place only old 17,000 people. That was my, the only thing that I thought was going to prevent us from going there.

And we're going. So I guess we're happy with that. I'm really interested to see how it goes infrastructure-wise. I mean, there's just like, I don't think that you could do anything to add any seating the way the place is built. It is what it is. You can't bring in. Are there sweets? No.

No. I wouldn't use a press box. There's a, there's a, there's a place. I don't think so. They got a bathroom. Does it have running water? Yeah, it's nice. I'm just saying it's not like that.

They built a nice field house in the middle of three and four, but I don't, I mean, there might. I think there is some kind of balcony in the middle of the corner. But I mean, there's maybe two or three of them. Well, this may the hardest ticket to get all year. Yes. I guarantee it. See, the optics of that, too, a full 17,000 capacity place looks a lot better than 50,000 where it seats a million or whatever at Bristol.

That's way better. People don't understand that because you thought they were all talking about the Coliseum. Perfect example. It holds over 100,000, I would assume, right? And it's like, it's only half full. You know, let's go to Bowman Gray. And I'm like, well, I don't know if you know math, but 50 is still higher than 17, but, you know, the optics of it, like, to your point,

it looks much better when it's a packed house and people who are to clawing at the walls to get a ticket of it. Middle finger every time you've seen that deal? Oh, yeah. Do you think there'll be, will there be any other pre-race shows or anything? So Saturday night, actually, Chase Robertson, who's shirt I'm wearing Mike Robertson, his dad, Chase is a sportsman competitor over there. Basically, looked like their late model class if you're watching from home. They're for sure, I think they're running like a hundred.

or lap or the night before. I don't know about the modifies. I hope they're there the night before. I feel like you got on the modified. I would hope so. Tommy Baldwin had a great idea. Tommy Baldwin said that back in the day, we used to race Pocono when you would race basically a mile,

I think it was. You'd race like down the front stretch and then around Pit Road basically. The track, you can almost see if you look at an aerial shot of Pocono now, but that was the race of champions. And every track in the country that ran a modified race had a race that was the race of champions qualifier. And that race always packed out because whoever won that race got a

guaranteed spot into the race champions. So Tommy's like, we should need to make that race, the Bowman Gray Saturday night before the clash race, the new race of champions where every track in the country that runs modified, is a smart tour, whatever tour, you know, you have these qualifying races. And then everybody comes to Bowman Gray to run the one big, you know, where the guys from the North, guys from the South get together. And it's a great idea. The rules for the Bowman Gray Modifides are much different than like the tour type

modifies. But, you know, it would be awesome to see that event just pick up steam as well. I think it's cool because you're going to have a lot of industry people there. Just like, you know, Florence, there was a lot of industry people that went down there and watched the late model race. And I think you have the same effect here.

You know, I've never been to Bowman Gray. Never been there. So I think it would be cool to see a modified race there. And having an event together opens the door for that. How many cars can you safely put on that racetrack? Well, I mean, back in the K&N, we used to run safely one. Safely one. One is safely.

Is it Bermeyers and Tim Brown? Or are we talking like... I saw Tim Brown's son is a big baseball player. I saw him at a bat in cages the other day. He's huge. Anyway. Can we just all just like agree right now that if that does happen that we get LW back in a Monofide?

Lethal. Lethal. The lethal weapon. Yeah. I mean, I have many of fights at LW. Georgie Reynolds back in the day. The list of people that have had fights with LW is long. Yeah.

I was going to say there's a lot. I think he's been kicked out of every racetrack we've been due with Wyatt and why it's racing careers. That's probably accurate. I would say, Brett, I would say, It's like we had at Coliseum, probably mid-20, you know, 20 cars. You could. Will we see shenanigans that Beaumangery typically produces? Yeah, because you got a lift in the corner and you can drive through each other pretty easily.

So there'll be some shenanigans. I hope they have Bowman's bad balls too. That'll be fun. All right, John, I know you got to go get your teeth cleaned. I got six minutes. Let us know how your new dentist is. Be nice to them. Yeah, don't get thrown out.

There's not that many around. You can stick around for a couple reaction theater calls before you. Yeah, whatever got to do. A call. All right. All right. Let's do it. Let's get into Reaction Theater.

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Now with two months free. Proof, the best things in life do come in two. See Consumer Cellular.com for promotional details. Jay, let's go to the calls. Man, Tyler Reddick, hands and throwing up all over his car. I've got back from Brewery and doing the same thing. Congrats to Chase Briscoe.

Let's go, Chase out of the playoffs. Freddie. Freddie, you fat as fatt as f***. Semi-accurate. There's a crowd of people standing around stinky-ass Tyler Reddick right now after you got out of that car. Hey, do you think M.K. gets him his own shoe, but they call it the dump man instead of the jump man.

There's your next t-shirt. I mean, my dog was sniffing the TV after she heard that Tyler Redd pooped his pants, and he still won the regular season championship. I guess I need to start dragging my ass on the ground. So Kyle Larson will actually get to the final four. And if he gets to the final four, you know what I'm going to do? I might poop my pants to drag my ass. the ground.

Jesus. Just for love. Go back. Congratulations to Tyler Reddick, one season championship and two Darlington strikes. Two Darlington stripes. It's three in the morning. I'm just staring up my feeling. I honestly believe Tyler Redick is fiss pants.

I know in the interview asked us right, she said he didn't. But most people that sh** her pants will say that they didn't. Hell yeah. Reddick, regular season champ. This phone calls for my buddy. Ray, he's a chase sexual. Still don't know how that guy gets. Year after year fan favorite.

I don't get it. Go Reddick. Chase sexual? Chase sexual? I've never. So according to, I haven't talked to Tyler yet. I haven't talked to Tyler yet, but apparently his interview, he said he did not his pants. He's his pants. I mean, at one point he said he wanted to and he couldn't because of all the medicine he took

to make him stop. Emodium. Emodium. But yes. That stuff will clog a sink. Did he? So he shipped his pants. Shipped his pants. You ship your pants?

Well, they reported he puked. He said it, I think, on the radio. He said I was fucking and puking on myself. There's nothing worse. Poor Napier. So Napier's his interior guy. I feel bad for him. Elliot was sick one time in Texas.

An Xfinity car for Joe Gibbs racing. And we had Clint Boyer on standby who was driving for Michael Watcher racing at Toyota. And Clint text me during the first little run. He's like, I'm telling you right now, if Elliot pukes in that car, I'm not getting in it. Would you have gotten in a car with puk or shit in it? No. We got to get this out of the way before you leave for your dentist appointment. Have you ever had to puke a dog that you were driving?

I was embarrassed enough when I pissed in my fire suit on time. Like that was bad and that like dries up. And there's plausible deniability because like you could just sweat. I don't know what that stink is. Like a turd? No. You can't hide that. No.

You can't hide that. But if somebody's in the seat, would you get in the car and drive it? No. Would you? I don't think it's getting through the fire. I'm asking a former driver. I never had to drive. I don't think it's getting through the fire suit.

I mean, it depends on what kind of, I mean. That's what I was on a floorboard. Yeah. No. I mean, but like,

I'd imagine if you're that sick, it's not a solid, it's not a solid turd that we're talking about with him. No, it's diarrhea turd. Yeah. Like runny turd. Yeah.

It's like you're teething. Having a baby turd like honey mustard. Yeah. When you're sick like that, it just goes everywhere. Yeah. That has to be terrible. If you don't change a diaper in a decent amount of time, how bad that is.

You imagine running 365 laps like that? And hot as hell. It was at the beginning, too. And hot. That's got a still itch today. Oh, my God. Stop it. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

All right. Can we move on? Well, yeah, hurry. Please, next call. I'm going to throw up. Well, boys, it started off as a pretty decent day. I sat down, going to have some dinner with my. Martin Truex shirt on, look up, and what do I see?

I thought I thought something, but I didn't really see it. And then all of a sudden I heard that Australian-British guy say, Oh, I cranky, that's a bug or a bad walk right down. And then I look up, and it's Martin Truex in the wall and lap, too. Well, if anybody needs me, I'll be in the bathtub plugging my toaster in. Is that the same guy that called about... I hear of Martin Shirk's Jr. fan. I know the race is still going, but

I'm going to need a lot of drinks to get over this race. It's depressing. I have to tear off my shirt and put on my brights because I'm not wanting to wear a shirt for a guy who likes to choke on a three. This guy sounds exactly like Derek Krauss. I don't know. It drives like me

whenever I hit an ice patch because I wasn't thinking. If anybody wants this garbage-ass, true-ex. You can have it. You got to come over to my island come grab it though. I will say, with all that being said, I'm going to give you my four drivers

to get eliminated in the first round. True X, because he's a sunk-ass Bresco, Burton, and Cindrix. Why? Because they're dog water. They make dog water actually look really good. They're worse than dog water. They're worse than dog water. I'm

true X. And I like Truex. I really do. But fuck him. Because he wrecked Blaine. So if you, excuse me, now I'm going to go take a bath to a little poster. Another toaster bath. Everybody's

a poster bath in this week. Geez. We're not going to have any listeners next week. Dog water. I mean, dog water got to drag

to the mud there a little bit. Dog water. I used that. That was definitely Derek Kraus in the middle of that. I don't know. 100%. You won't convince me otherwise.

I'm calling him after this and asking why he called in the reaction here. Sure. He asked himself one idiot this week. Did you see that in his interview? Right. He did it on the radio.

Here was the worst part about him and Blaney both reckon that early is they had to stay for the whole race because they take a picture for the plane. So you had to sit there for four hours. And it's even worse because...

If I were them two, I would have went and just got hammered. Oh, yeah. And then come back for the photo. It's even worse because, like, if you were in Daytona, you'd have to wait on the plane anyway. Or Martin probably wouldn't.

But now, like, Darlington, you're a couple hours. You could have drove home and been home before the end of the race and nah, you're... Jeez. I saw him do that. I was like, man,

those two are screwed. John, you got to get out of here? Yeah. All right, man. Yeah, I got to go to Dennis. Don't be late. We don't want to, we don't want to ruin this for you. Yeah, we're going to post your tattoo on social media for all the followers.

The problem is it implicates other people in this business. Okay. So like I swore I would keep that shit. Is this a picture? Is it words? I mean, it's a little bit of all of it. But it. So how many people are, do we talk?

Is it a portrait? No. Yeah. I just, again, it's like the charter thing is here on the level of keep it quiet. Tats is here. tattoos higher. We'll make you a deal then. But at least tell us how many people are affiliated

because I think some of them will come up to me and be like, man, I'm part of the coup. Probably 10. Wow. Wow. That's way more than I would have thought. I thought like three or something. We got to do some research. I think before.

Are these matching tattoos? Like, are there other people with the same tattoo? Only maybe one. But it looked like the, see? I'm going to pull it out of it. I'm going to give you too many details. Oh, we're going full-down Are there 10 people with tattoos?

Yeah. No, there's not. Could you look down at it or do you have to look behind you to see it? That's what you say. What difference does it make? If it's on my ass, it's on my forehead. What difference is the point is, be careful. Watch what you're doing in Mexico.

If it was on his ass, she would have told us already. You're right. Maybe. Congratulations again. I do mean that as much as it did screw us over. I am truly happy for you guys and you guys earned every bit of it. Oh, we appreciate you stopping by next year. Don't schedule a dentist appointment.

So you stay for the whole thing. That's an hour and a half or two hours though that I got to replay and say, did I say this? I'm going to get a call about. Did I say that? Because I think I'm clean. So your dad, the first time you came on here last year or two years ago,

he was like, man, I don't know about John coming on y'all's podcast. Y'all say some crazy stuff. Like, I love it, but I don't want John to get in trouble. I think you did fine. He does, but now he called me when I was on the way here. He didn't know I was coming. And he's like, what are you doing? So I'm going to door bumper clear.

Oh, I like them, guys. Tell him, I said, hey. And I'm waiting on him to say, don't, don't F this up. But he didn't. That's good. It's the time when he doesn't say that, that I'm worried. Because like, it's like I'm, I got all the confidence in the world now. I got free reign.

Let's go. That's good. That's good. Didn't show him a tattoo. Build a solid. rapport with your new dental hygienist. I will. For all of us.

I'll let it happen. We get. All right. We'll see you, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks, man. Cheers. Well, it's great to have John join us today.

Let's get back into some more. Your job, Casey. I'm so sick of you today. I'm so. Fri-so-first-old. We're getting right. We're getting right back to normal. Anyways.

We are right back. bar. None of that's coming out, by the way. I know. None of it's coming out. It's all staying in. Oh, you're going to pass out? Thank God. Maybe it'll shut you up. Why you so red? Maybe it'll shut you up. Your face matches your hot in here. All right. Brett's a little flustered.

It was great to have John with us today. And we're going to get back into some more reaction theater calls. Oh, my God. NBC is knocking it out of the park from your staff, your commentators, your music. Everything. Don't change. This is working.

Your staff, your commentators, your editing, your production, whoever's doing it, they're doing what they're supposed to do. This is what's going to move us forward. So what really grinds my gears is, why am I watching a commercial about the playoffs while I'm watching the playoffs? How about use that commercial slot just to put the race back on? I'm already watching it. You're not drawing me in to watch it.

The race is on the TV. Like, just turn the race back on. Take whatever slot that is and do away with it. please tell me why we are in the last stage 70 laps to go and they go to a full screen commercial did they not learn anything from last week

last week was beautiful he never left the track and now you pull this I don't understand television it makes no sense let me explain it to you the way they stay on television is selling commercials

it's 70 to go doesn't seem exactly oh that's forever we're still three pits stops away from me. Yeah. And is your life really going to end if you missed that? I mean, probably not. We have some greedy fans. Good Lord. Well, that's what happens when you get like, it's a double-edged short where you give them a commercial free race last week and then you come back to standard commercials this week. You know, you're you're helping them one time, but now you've,

you set an expectation that you might not be able to live up to. My only struggle with the broadcast and I actually text Jeff Burton during the show was they had the on the bubble displayed the entire night. They never had the championship battle displayed to where you knew the gap from first to second to third, which we knew three guys coming in. We're in contention.

Obviously, Chase Elliott wasn't very competitive, but for most of the night, I wanted to see the numbers, and they didn't show it when they started really racing and get backmired in traffic. You know how to avoid commercials? Let's go to the damn race. Yeah. There's no commercials there.

No commercials. Well, boys, I think you're you're rogan off on old Jesse Love, Brett, I'll live with that. This man just said phenomenal on the air. What have you done to this poor kid? Phenomal's a great word. It's a phenomenal word, actually. Your contract phenomenal? I see, I haven't read it yet.

I've seen him in Zilich rolling through Mick B. MacBee. MacB. And I could tell they were going well over 17 miles an hour, so they were playing with fire right there. But it was nice to see them. Connor driving Jesse home after our long day at Darlington. So on the way back, we got 15 minutes from the track, 20 minutes from the track,

and then it stormed the entire rest of the whole ride home. Yeah, we got rocked at the lake. I was on the phone with Brett, and I was like, I'm in a, I stopped at the red light and page line, and I'm in a hurricane in the day's on right now. I couldn't believe it. Hey, Brad. Have you been mentoring Sam Mayer? that self-spin didn't convince anybody.

Well, maybe Jeff Burton. I think Jeff Burton was the only one that fell for that. But, yeah, you might want to let TJ or Freddie mentor him on how to do that. Freddy's guys was a little bit more convincing, and I don't know, TJ maybe he could get away with it. I don't know what happened. Sam spun out on purpose, trying to put out of caution, but he did it so well that he pointed it right back in the right direction. And there was no caution. Yeah, because he got a flat really early on.

And he was fast, man. And do you know if without looking, I don't know if we even have it in front of us, do you know where Sam Mayer is in points? Dude, I'm going to say sixth. He's like 13th. Wow. He's in all or nothing. Yeah. That's had a lot of racks.

Like I mean, I mean, like to your point, I would have said the same thing. Like the other day, I looked. And Justin up and I think Sammy, Sammy passed Ryan Seek this week for 10th. But before that, Justin was, Justin was the point leader. And he was the only J.R.M car in the top 10 of points. Yeah. You know, the mayor and mayor's got to win, so he's in the playoffs. Sammy's battling with Sieg for a spot, and Brandon Jones is in a must win.

He's about 130-something out. But, like, you know, those are just guys you give the, you think, oh, they're all in the top ten. They're all going to make the playoffs. And right now they're in bad shape. But Sam, I was looking at the other two were. And I'm like, where's mayor at in points? And I was like, holy shit. Like, that's, I would have thought the same thing.

Like top five, top six, because he's got speed every week just has a lot of bad luck, apparently. Two weeks in a row. These motherfuck have f***ed us. and these winners come out of nowhere. Like, where the f***ed Harrison come from? Where the f***ed Briscoe come from? And Bubba gets wrecked because Barry's acting like a f***ole. God bless America.

Big fan out there. That was not me. Thanks for calling John. John's in a Villaroma on the phone. Yeah, whatever. I mean, like I said, Briscoe deserves every bit of that. And Harrison, the plate race, he did what he had to do. And it's not, like I said, it's just the way it goes. Sometimes we weren't good enough to win a race, and this is a year where we need to be.

How that old driver, that's 14, buddy. It's been a tough year for him and just to see him win at Darlington. It's just amazing. Go 14 and also, fuck you, cow, bush. Oh, Denny's great, sure. Yeah, let's just wreck the fucking people so Bubba doesn't make the playoffs. He's great. Jenny's great.

We know Denny's awesome. Denny can do no wrong. what the f*** is that bull's he caught his driver spot in the playoffs I don't know anymore fuck this for Bubba had a great race

great game plan but no his owner has to send it three wide on four people and wreck the field Jenny I don't know that you can go three wide on four people and I

listen maybe he met four different times Denny is great by the way I think we'll see here in a minute. But the, I thought, and I don't think, I don't think anybody was really, I'm not blaming anybody for that wreck and one or two. There's, it's the, it's the end of the race. Everybody's racing hard. If there's any fault, Josh, I think squeezes, I think was it, tie in the fence. You know, I don't think Denny runs into Josh at all. It's just a racing deal, though. It's not Josh's fault. Everybody's just going forward to the end. We get collective.

If anybody, I'm going to blame anybody for anything that is, Finoa, for running through the back of his wide open, it seemed like. But, you know, that's just, it's just a race. and deal the end of the race. It's pretty wide there is a risk. Yeah. And listen, John, I mean, if there's any blame and it's Josh's, I'm not blaming him because he's got to win just as much as anybody else does. So go for it. Well, that's all for Reaction Theater. And to leave an audio message 24-7,

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All right. You can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag Ask DVC and we'll answer the best ones. Tilden Carter asks, how common is it for drivers to not make any money during a season, referencing Sheldon Creed's comments after the Xfinity race at Darlington. I can't wait. Brett. Manager Brett. Have you ever had a driver not make any money during the season? No.

Do you believe he's not making any money during the season? Yes. How does he live? I know that I have bills to pay every month. I see there's family money there paying him. But yeah. Just imagine being the worst spotter in the Xfinity series and you're making more money than Sheldon Creek.

The lowest paid. Whoever the lowest paid was? The lowest paid spotter, unless Sheldon starts winning races. If Sheldon wins, Sheldon gets paid. He left that part out. So those second place finishes are... Well, he ain't ever going to win. I've determined that.

Those second place finishes are, they've got to be eaten away at you. I mean, the poor, I don't know what he's done to the racing gods of the world, but this poor bastard is never going to win a race. I mean, I've not seen this contract, but surely there's a win bonus in there. Got to be. You know what? I'm getting the vibe of and because, listen, he's fast. You know, they've had a lot of engine issues this year.

He's, he's been fast and it would not surprise me in the slightest bit that he goes out like Daniel Hemrick did and makes that final four and his only win of the years at Phoenix. Because he won the truck championship there a few years back by winning the race, I believe. That wouldn't surprise me at all because they're fast and they're in contention about every week. And that wouldn't surprise me. In this format, you only have to win one lap to win the whole thing. Daniel Batson says, at the beginning of the year, Ford was left for dead. Fast forward, and they've got the most cars in the playoffs of any manufacturer. Is it now Ford versus the field?

Brett. Listen, they got a good shot as anybody now. I mean, the reality is, though, they don't have a ton of drivers with a lot of playoff points. You're looking at Kyle Larson with 40, Bell with 32, Reddick with 28, Byron with 22. The first Ford is Blaney. He has 18. Harrison Burton. is actually tied for 12th in points based on how many playoff points they have.

He's ahead of Truex and Ty Gibbs in terms of playoff points. So I think Ford's going to have to really get hot in order to establish themselves as a final four team because they don't have all these playoff points that are sitting on. Those top three guys, especially Larson, he could not show up to a race and still make the second round. Yeah, I mean, to your point, you say they've got to get hot. that's what they did last year. And if Ryan, if Joey, if those guys get to Phoenix, they've shown. They're stupid fast.

Yeah, Ryan's been stupid fast at all these flat miles. Like Ryan and Bell, I think, have been the class of the field at the Phoenix, the Richmond's, not the Richmond, but the Gateway. You know, those guys, even Richmond, they've been the class of fields. So if they can get there, they've got a good shot as anybody. But to your point, a lot of the, the Fords that have made it, you know, the made up the field, you know, Harrison, Cindrick, Briscoe would probably be among the first three out, you know, for just about everybody, I think.

So, you know, as they got numbers, but it's sometimes it's quality over quantity. TJ, you want to talk about that at all? Are you going to skip the forward question? I mean, I just, I do remember the beginning of the year. And I do remember telling Brett to chill and just give us some time. You know, I do think the last, you know, last few guys in here, it's going to be a stretch for them guys to have really solid playoff runs. I do think there are like Freddie.

said there are some fours they could get hot. I know that, um, I know that Joey can get hot, Blaney can get hot. There's Brad super consistent. Um, so I feel like, you know,

I still feel like we have a good shot at it. You just can't, you know, obviously we don't have the buffer for any mistakes, but if you go out there and have solid top five runs and you're in that spot, I've been in a position before where we were the underdog the whole time and we win Martinsville and still the underdog. we go in there and win the championship. So anything can happen.

And there's some of them guys that you're going to say are the championship favorites, tend to make some mistakes. So when they make the mistakes, the others have to capitalize. Eighth place on back cannot have a bad first two races right here. They won't make the second round. Yeah. Trevor Plummer asks, what implications does the 14s win have on the sold charters for next season?

That one became a lot more valuable. I don't know if it's ready. Potentially more valuable. What do you mean? Well, some of the bottom half owners of charters want every charter to be valued the same. Oh, yeah. So is that going to be part of the old standard, which to your point, Adam Stern just tweeted NASCAR hopes to reach an agreement on new governing charter system

with its premier series this week to avoid having talks spill over into the playoffs. Playoffs obviously start this week. So they're hoping, I don't know if they're hoping or suggest that. they can always be hopeful. But be interesting to see if that gets done. But yeah, to your point, the way it's at now, the 14 charter just became much more valuable than the other three charters over there. That might change tomorrow.

But, you know, it's interesting. It would be interesting to know if that charter is already sold. If it's one that they've, we don't have the answer to that yet, I don't think. But somebody, somebody's either real happy or real upset today about that charter system. All right. We're going to take a break and be back with What an Idiot. What an idiot. All right, fellas, who wins this week's?

What an idiot award wants to go first. I think we gave out a few during the show. I mean, we've handed them out all day. Do you have any of you want to give out this week? You're smiling. That means she does. I don't think you're smiling because you like that. Well, I don't want to get cut off because it's my dad.

Because my damn motor wouldn't run all weekend. I'm sick of. He's fired. Love him. Carson had a Carson. So Carson raised the Casey's favorite track Millbridge last night. and did not have a phenomenal weekend. Did not have a fun time.

Broke leading, right? I broke leading Saturday. Flip my ass off on the first lap last night and then blew up after I pushed back out from the hot pit. So we were having fun. We changed ignitions, fuel pumps, fuel lines. I mean, all sorts of stuff all weekend just because we were having gremlin's and we still couldn't figure it out. So Jimbo's fired. Jimbo's fired.

Was he in town? Yeah. He's still here? Is he? Yeah. I love Jimmy Elliott. Oh, Freddie, you got one? Yeah, yeah, of course I do.

I got 16 if probably if I wanted to. Well, we saw that one guy. I got to post that video. Rich Keeter sent it to me and Brett. Did you see this guy's hooked? They got a sprint car hooked to the back of a tow truck, and he's sitting with his legs off the back of the tow truck. It's like just sitting there.

And this thing swings around and hits him exactly where you wouldn't want to get hit by anything, let alone a sprint car. So he goes down for the count. But my one idiot of the weekend is whoever, spelled Joey Lugano's name wrong on the Southern 500 trophy. Did you see that? Oh, I did not. Everybody, the Southern 500 trophy has a picture of everybody that's won the Southern 500 with their name below it. And they spelled Joe. Was it all Carrie Thorpe's watch?

I don't know. I hope not. Somebody had sent me the picture, but it's L.A. G.A. and no or something like that. Oh, no. So whoever that is, I hope he hates to hear that. It was. It was TJ. Probably did it. Yeah, man. When did he win the fight? When did he weren't? Were you spotting? When did you win the 5? I don't know. I don't remember when that was.

No, he won it last year, the year before, didn't he? I don't know. Oh, yeah, when he, him and Byron got into it. That's right. I wrote Connor Hall's name on a check one's wrong this year and I'll never figure it. Connor Hall, how did you, what you said. I did ER instead of O.R. And of all places, it was Langley.

Langley, of course it was. It was. Who you got? You're writing checks these days. Big ones, the big. The big. The big. The big.

The big, like the, all the PR checks. The ones that go in victory lane. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I really have one. I mean, I could go for Brett's football team, the whole team. They still won at least. I mean, they're going to give Brett a heart attack at some point. So your blood pressure definitely goes up.

Yeah. I give John one. We give John one of the dentist. He gave him. No, my brother, John. I don't know my brother, John. Oh, did you not tell him last week? He was missing?

No. No. No, we didn't know what I was talking about. But I'm talking about his gambling prowess last night. Did he lose? John could have won two grand on a $10 bet if he had stuck with his Boston

College money line bet but he pulled his bet back for a $200 payout and Boston College destroyed Florida. Yeah, I had to look twice at the score. He destroyed them.

The whole game. Who are you calling an idiot? I've already gone to Fee, John Wood. You're done. Yeah. I've already gone through a bunch of idiots.

Gotcha. All these people whining about Harrison Bird make the playoff. He's tied for 12th and points. What are you crying about? Yeah. Can we,

Went from the Owl House to the Panhouse real quick. One thing I think that maybe, I don't know if it's what an idiot, but then maybe it could be looked at before we get back there is the amount of bees that fly around Darlington. Let me tell you some. They do once we get there. The Nats at Florence as well. Let me tell you something.

Brandon McRandles is not a fan of bees. Like real bad. I don't know if he's allergic. And every time we sit, I go down, usually I'll go down and sit in the past hands there between practices or whatever. And I'm telling you there everywhere. I got stung last year. Just random.

Lambert Gaston. This week? Yeah. I looked down there and he said... That's probably why he's waving so much. Wait, I think I have a second idiot and it's actually real. Oh. Spencer Davis because he almost ran me over in Victory Lane this weekend.

Spencer Davis can be an idiot. He left the car in gear and the ignition switch on and he went to get out to celebrate and there went the car and there I was leaned against the left front with confetti. So that's our... I mean, you're doubling up. You're getting like me on here. Just doubling up one idiot. Two idiots.

How about one one idiot? But I mean, what a coincidence that poor Parker Retzelaw's car just shabre shut off the second he went green this week. RC hit the switch. The internet. The internet shut his right down. Kyle Bush had the most phenomenal comments on that. And it was,

we have a key partner meeting and we have a game plan and he wasn't invited to the meeting. So how can we expect him to have, or how can we expect ourselves to have an expectation of this guy when he didn't come to the meeting? I got to give him. TJ's nodding. I just think it's ridiculous.

this is the kid's just like trying to win a race he his sponsors paid for that race they pay to get stuff and then he doesn't pay to follow i think where people got upset is rCR helps sure put that car together and i don't know that that's the right words but they obviously build the engine eCR engine um and and so i understand the narrative that came into that i built your engine does that mean you have to call kiles kiles quotes solves everything yeah yeah You're right. I mean, if you just look at that right there, then. Shout out to Kyle also for being upset with 30-mo Media again.

Andrew, when what an idiot for replying? I mean, Andrew, whoever that was, I don't know. Is it Evan or Andrew? Somebody took a picture of him on pit road, Kyle standing next to his car. Had a very generic. Kyle Bush defeated. Didn't make the playoffs. But it was like the wild world of sports video from back in the day that we used to watch,

where all the bad things happen and you're like, the agony of defeat. Yeah. It was an agony of defeat. That's exactly what it was. Kyle got upset about it. Then Andrew's apologizing for no reason whatsoever. I would tell him to get this. I'll tell you to miss it.

Yeah. What did I mean? It's on Twitter. They took a picture. Dirty Moe posing a picture of Kyle like getting out of his car and he's just lost the race, whatever. And it just says like defeat for Kyle Bush, Kyle Bush misses the playoffs.

That's it. Nothing. Kyle responded and said something like, was it like a hate tweet or something? He said hate post with a question mark. What? You must not get a lot of hate post. buddy. I'll show you some hate posts.

I just sent it to you and T.J. So you all can see it. But I will say, man, when that restart happened and Kyle Busc got in a second so fast, I thought it was over. I thought he was going to beat Briscoe. When he went by us and then bottom of one and two, I was like, Randall called that race the only way that they were going to have a shot at. Just every time of yellow come out, come down here, put tires on it. Don't matter where you're running, because they were in the top.

They had drove. They were not. They were probably 10th. They were right behind us at that first, when we stayed out, they were probably right behind us. They might have been the first one to come. They drove up to the top five, got to the top five, everybody pit. Then he was still in the top five.

We had another quick caution. He came again when some of the guys stayed out. Yeah. And he just kept putting tires on and put himself in position. That was his only shot. And stage 20 was an 18th-ish-place car and have a chance to win. When he got to second, I was like, oh, maybe he'll get up there and win. And then I was like, wait a minute, he doesn't have a win either.

So I was like, this ain't getting in a lot. 19 years consecutive years. He's won a at least one race. Will he win before the year's over? I don't see it now. But it's going to, it just got way harder. Because everybody's going to be loaded for bear, you know, bringing their best now.

Most cheated up, whatever they got. People are cheating. Allegedly. But yeah. I mean, you saw, you saw getting close to the playoffs. Some guys magically found speed, a lot of speed. So it's just, that's what, that's the way to playoffs, the nature of the beast. But yeah, it'll be, I think it'll be difficult for him now.

All right. DBC picks. Let's get into it. God, I could have picked Chase Briscoe. Who would no matter who I picked. Could a shit of what a. Casey picks first. She's going with Kyle Bush.

God, B. Are you f***ing me? Not who you were going to pick? Yeah. The guy freaking, yeah, he won't finish third there last time. I was actually probably going to win this pick if it just finishes with with Gilling because he was fast. Really?

Well, he was, you saw him. My guy was his pants all day. Casey's not even here and she's pissing me off. who goes next tj no brett we should make a rule you got to pick a playoff driver no yeah i don't know who i want now i had just knew i was going to get my guy who she pick redick bush oh kurt

oh man i had no idea of case he like boo you can't say that you can't say that garson what does she say Both said it at the same time. I think we got... What did you say? Harry.

I won't repeat what Brett said. Next thing. Go ahead, Brad. Who got? Oh, man. Planey should have won this race last time. If there's a place awesome, Cinderick's going to be good, it's probably here.

Man, I'm... I know. I'm usually the fastest picker ever. Fastest picker ever. There's ten races left. You got a lot of picks. I know. Corley Joy.

After all that that shit we talked about. him. I didn't talk any shit about him. I'm not the person who showed me the Chili's picture of him bartending. That was another person on this show. A Chili's Margarita would be great way now. That's a tough picture. I don't know how you let your PR people take that picture. I'm going to, no, I don't go yet. He's a Chili head. I was a Chili head. I was at Chili's. So I go to Nordame with, watch the Nord Dame game with Doug at Chili's in, where the fucking is in Florence? Florence. And we're sitting there. He didn't even come to us. Apple and you were. I was

Saturday, not Friday. So 10 o'clock, they close. It's half time of the game. They're like, all right, we're the last call. I'm like, what? Huh? Wait, what? Now we had to find some other random ass bar to go to.

That was something else. If you ever go to the dizzy crab in Florence, let me know. I almost went there. Is that supposed to be up until 2 a.m.? Oh, it is. I promise you, every minute of it. I shall return next year. I went to a gross strip club while we were in Florence.

Oh, there's a bad one there. Did you think there was going to be a good shirt on? No, not at all. Not at all. It's bad. Wait, wait, wait. You went. It's bad.

TJ, everybody's allowed to go. Yeah, I mean, it's a free country. It's actually free. It's actually more fun when you go and you're a girl because you don't get haggled and spend a bunch of money. Usually you don't have a cover charge. Yeah. You're just living life in there. I will go with.

So if I dress as a chase sexual, I get in a freak. Chase sexual. I'm really, I'm going to go, Todd Gillen. That's a good pick. take Joey Lugano. There you have it. I hope you win the race. That'll be big for Joey to make round two.

Yeah. Why do you hope that? I just think it'll be big for the sport. We need big names going forward. Is this? Well, I guess we'll get into it. We're supposed to pick Harrison Burton because John said they're going to win. Well, John can have them.

John and everyone. Put John in for DVC picks this week with Harrison Burton. Who do you each think would be like your first four in and first four out? So first four championships four. First four out and championship four. Sorry. Is this? I don't, man.

It's never easy. So easy is the wrong word. But is this the easiest first round there's been in a long time? It's a lot of wild card races, I feel like. That's true. Atlanta is 100% of wild card race. Bristol's in there. Man, that's, it's not Atlanta, but you can get caught up in somebody else's crap there.

I've had been Joe here. Lugano last year. So I feel like, man, these two of these first three races are, If you're in the back half of points, like I said, eighth on back, you could easily be caught up in two wrecks and be out. Who's the first four out? Man, Martin Truex is not having a good run. I mean, you look at, he has no playoff points to lean on, right?

Zero playoff points. Man, that's hard. Like, I mean, you hate to say Truex because I want to see him go deep for personal reasons, but I'll say Truex is out. I'll say Alex's Bowman is out. and he may be out of Morda just to playoff if he's out first round. There's a reason why I haven't announced any drivers in certain cars. Daniel Suarez out and Austin Cendrick out.

There's my four. I'm having Harrison Burton in. All you, Woodbrothers haters. Okay. Well, sometimes you've got to bet with your head and not with your heart. I'll take Harrison out. I will take Suarez out. I'll take Cindrick out.

And I agree with you. I'll take Bowman out. I think that's probably pretty accurate. I think Harrison, Cendrick, Suarez, and Alex just, yeah, he's just having, just having a tough go of it. And it's been, it's been not just like a one-off.

So it's kind of, you know, I don't know, that'll be my four too. Carson, you get to play. Who's out? I'm going to go with Briscoe, Bowman, Cendrick, and where to go, where to go. swear us. Hey, you pull him for Harrison too.

Yeah. Hey, listen. So John's point about how good of a guy Harrison is, the line of people that went to congratulate him, including the two guys that he just knocked out of the playoffs in Bubba and Ross, like that just goes to show you what kind of person that kid is. Yeah. I was with Eddie Wood the week they announced or maybe the week before they announced it. And he and I were a Millbridge.

And I was sitting in the stands with him. And I was like, man, you're hiring one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. And he works his butt off. Yeah. And he does. And so hopefully whatever opportunity is next for him, we're hearing a lot of Xfinity chatter, whatever the next opportunity is for him, but it's one where he can go out and excel, because it's not like he had won race as a top three level.

And I truly don't think going to Xfinity back down to Xfinity would be the worst thing at all. I think it would be better. Here's the hard thing about going to Xfinity. Carson is there's only five organizations that really win, weekend and week out. Otherwise, it's a hell merry to have a good weekend. I mean, you look at, you know, J.R.M. they're going to stay relevant. Will Haas Factory team stay relevant?

We don't know. They're certainly one of the top five. Colleg Racing. Richard Childress, Joe Gibbs. If you're not driving for one of those five, you don't really have a chance to win. Yeah, that's the thing. Like the rumors you hear,

there's an available Xfinity ride that I don't think is a race winning car. That's the rumor we hear them getting into. But there's a possibility of a potential, like options that may be a race winning truck. and it's like which which do you do which do you get in

we've already talked about on here that the Xfinity cars are probably the most fun to drive out of all three series really so I would say that's probably where he lands but you know again we just had

Ryan Truex on here last week talk about the fact that he you know it's all about winning if you can't win you know are you really just content with just being out there

and some guys some guys need that you know full time gig and some guys are just out there trying to make it happen make some you know make some happen for themselves

but it'll be interesting to see which route he takes. So top four. You got to pick your championship four right now. Carson, you go first because you went last. All right. Kyle Larson. Chase Elliott. Chase Elliott.

Chase sexual today. Chase sexual. I don't even know what it means, but it's funny. You don't even know what it means and you're saying it. Redick and Byron, that's what I'm going to go with. It's a little whack,

but that's good. That's what we're doing. I feel like Willie B's been holding out a little bit. That's what I'm, yeah. Willie B is not. I don't know. I feel like something big's about to happen.

Good. I mean, he's just, I feel like he maybe did the same thing last year. Like he comes out like a ball of fire, won a bunch of races, and then it kind of just, summer months just don't agree with him for some reason. TJ, you're next.

I feel like Larson will make it there, Bell. Who's your champion? Blaney and Brad. Who's your champion? What a f*** homer. I mean, just one who wins the race.

No, who's your champ? before we kick to Freddy. Kyle Larson. God, how do you not? I know. I'm not, but I don't know.

How do you not? Well, how do you not then? Because I'm not. There's a lot of just knots going on here. Not. Freddie. My turn?

Larson, Bell, Reddick, Chase Elliott. Wow. I'll be home of myself and say Reddick's going to win a championship. If he goes in a f***ing pants. I hope he wins. That'll make a guard.

It's funny nobody's saying Denny. I told you. I'm not picking him ever again. Like, it has nothing to do with the fact that he's, I just, these poor guys snake pit every time somebody, every time somebody, every year, it seems like it's Denny's year. This year right now, he's not carrying as much momentum into the playoffs, I feel like as he has in years past.

But every year you go in and like, oh, this is it. This is year. I've been saying it for three years. So now I'm done. There were six weeks. I'm not jinxed him anymore. There were six weeks where he was stupid hot. I felt like the last six have been Tyler Redick, stupid hot, but you can't deny Kyle

Larson and how good he is. So Larson, Bell, Redick, and Blaney for me. And I'm going to say Blaney wins championship. I like that. And I know it's four of the top five. If I was picking with my head and not my heart, I'd say Bell,

if Bell gets to the final four, I think he's unbeatable of Phoenix, just because how fast he's been all year at these types of racetracks. But I'll let my heart do the talking today and hope that. Well, you know what Phoenix comes down to, man, is your pit stops. Like you can be the best thing ever,

and you have one bat's pit stop and come out eighth or ninth. you're done, which maybe not. A lot of racing left. For sure. Atlanta, what's after Atlanta? Watkins Glen. So it's three wild car races. Technically.

Technically. Yep. It'll be fun. It'll be a fun round. SVG going to win Watkins Glen? Probably. I don't think you win the Glenn. I think the more technical it is, the better he is, and this is not very...

It's fast and balls of the wall. Yeah, I will. Hey, man. we get a shout out for how good he was an exfine race. How about did you see the news? The tire news? Very well. They're talking about four seconds of fall off for the tires they're bringing to

walk in the glen. Yeah. Which will be, I mean, if that holds true, that'll be massive. But it's a fall off though. Yeah,

I mean, it'll be, it'll definitely help. But they like, what better at the road course for sure. But like you go to like a mile and a half and everybody falls off the same pace, the same time. It still doesn't accomplish.

Well, the thing is you have to have, listen, And the reason why that race was so good the other night is what other race track do we go to where you run two or three laps like John was saying and the yellow comes down and you go, should I pick? Yeah. You know, because you heard them. Like, yeah, like, yeah, like you know. And now, you know, I mean, there was one point in that run where there was maybe 10 laps on tires and the whole field came down down. You know, hey, don't scrubbing too hard.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, when you tell a driver, hey, make sure you're careful scrubbing your tires. Absolutely. Weather looks good for Atlanta. 82 sunny both days. Saturday Sunday. Perfect. So it'll be a little slick when you start, probably not crazy slick at the end.

What time does race start? 3.15. It's also worth noting what that shark fin will do there as well. Does that stabilize the car is a little bit more? Because trying not to flip them over with the shark fan, right? Well, I mean, yes, but I think it'll change

the way the cars drive a little bit, maybe through the corners. Is it stabilizing more? Can these guys run more wide open? We saw that third lane develop at Daytona. And I, that, you know, That's the only thing that was different from the first. Yeah, like there wasn't, and there was no saving. Like the first couple races, the plate races, you saw a third lane because everybody was saving fuel.

That first stage at Daytona, we could all make it on fuel. So everybody was running wide open and the third lane still formed up. That shark fin was the only thing that was different compared to. And we, I think we broke a track record in qualifying for the next gen car also. So it definitely makes a difference. Lugano hit a home run on his comments about the underbody. He said, changed the underbody if you don't want these cars going up in the air. Yeah, I mean.

Was that La or Logano? Lagono. Gis, man, people. Logano. It's not like he's his first race. We haven't said Siri today, TJ. Oh,

Hey, Siri. Oh, I pissed off everybody. I did it again last week. I talked about you doing it. I talked about you doing it. So now welcome to the Hey Siri portion. You know, that's how we should start a show. Hey, Siri.

Everybody's show just shuts off. Kip, Kip texts me too. He was like, every time you said, hey, Siri, my phone stop. See, you got to quit. All right. Well, we appreciate y'all. Yeah. Carson, thanks for Super Subbing again.

We love you. Next time, remember, it's hot in here. Love y'all most of the time. Most, most. Don't flip your head off again or whatever you said. Next time you're ace. No flipping. We got until October, so.

Okay. We're at Milbridge again. It'd be awesome if you guys wanted to come show so support. I would love to come. Is it during a week? There's a weekend. Huh? Is it going to be during a week?

It'll be a Wednesday night. Invite me. We'll be there. Text me when you're going. Okay, I'll text the group chat. All right. Yeah. Take good luck to you boys in Atlanta.

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