Door Bumper Clear - 346 | Atlanta: The Sign is Falling! Plus, Mayo Missiles and Charter Drama

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

Karsyn Elledge, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors, and Brett Griffin are back from Atlanta to recap the opening race of the NASCAR Cup Series Playoffs. The guys debate how to encourage harder racing at drafting tracks and summarize all the Playoff chaos we saw Sunday. Is Kyle Larson going through a rough stretch and what was with Denny Hamlin’s rear-racing strategy? Plus, with teams still holding out on NASCAR’s charter agreement, the crew debates what this means for 23XI Racing, Front Row Motorsports, and what leverage they may have over NASCAR.21+ and present in North Carolina. Opt in req. Wager requirements apply. Bonuses awarded as nonwithdrawable bonus bets or profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including bonus expiration. See terms and conditions at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Majors. It was part of the sixth cup car And I only had the cup car this weekend It was no qualifying practice Did you fly in race day? No, last Saturday No, it's couldn't do it Couldn't bring yourself to do it

Do you guys have a beat team plane? Yeah, yeah I probably could have done it But I went up there for qualifying Yeah, I'm sure you made a huge difference Brett Griffin I did I spotted for more drivers this year

I was thinking in the shower this morning That's probably dangerous I was like man I've spotted for a bunch of guys in cup. So you were thinking about it. I'm like Austin Dillon, Austin Hill, Ty Dillon, Will Brown, y'all's favorite.

And I got a fifth one coming up, I think. So that's nice to know you were thinking about guys in the shower this morning. What's up, Freddie Crafts, spotted for Bubba Wallace and Kyle Seag this week. Hi, Carson. Hi. How are you today? Carson Ellage, who still doesn't know why she's here. I miss you guys, though.

Carson, you had a hell of a weekend. A week. I did. Week probably. It was from Wednesday to Saturday. It was a week. I'll bring it up later in the show. Yeah.

Carson, it was dressed up. Looked good, didn't you? This weekend? Yeah. I sure did. Yeah, asking her if you look good. I mean, it was like, T.J.

This little bug is driving T.J. Crazy and it's so funny. Yeah. It's all right. Oh, there's a bunch of money, Brett. Oh, boy. How it is? But Jesus, good start to this.

It's terrible. What's up? So Atlanta was fun. Expandity series packages is not good there. No. I'm just going to dive right into it. It's my favorite series in the country to watch on asphalt. And I do not like it at Atlanta.

I know people are going to be like Irwining. Well, actually, I am. I'm a traditionalist and I know what Atlanta used to look like. You're winnest. And I love Super Speedway racing, but I don't love what they're doing with that package at Atlanta. It looks similar most of the day to what happened. at, um, wherever we just ran that Michigan, you know, it's just kind of single file, hard to pass. Nobody wants to get out of line because if you don't complete the pass, you're

going to the tail of that, whatever that line is unless somebody comes down there and picks you up. So it's just, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Saturday and they asked about, you know, this race today's going to suck on Sunday morning. And it's like, no, these guys are better. That's just the way this, the nature of the beast, the, the Cup series guys are just better at what they do, obviously. That's why they're in the Cup series versus the X-Finity series. And they can make work and they can, they know how to make that bottom lane go.

And they're a little more adventurous to get down there and try it. And they can run like that far off of each other for like 50 laps in a row and not, and not touch. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Some of them touch. Yeah, it's not good any touch. It is so much more narrow, though.

Like when you watch those cup cars go around there, because it looked like a couple times like they were just kind of riding and cruising. But man, when they turned it up, you were like, they're hauling ass and they're all over each other. And this track is way too narrow for this. It's easy to forget that you're at a mile and a half because on Saturday, we were kind of just riding. You know, the first couple, we don't have anything to lose.

We're just kind of trying to get a good finish. So you start riding and you realize like, you really can't ride here. You know, you can, but it's harder because they're not. two and a half miles away. They're a mile and a half away. And if you lose a good, you know, sniff of the pack, then you're, you're in danger of losing a lap a lot easier. So, and then the laps are clicking off way faster. So yeah, it's easy. Like, you get in that mindset, yeah, we're back to plate racing or drafting. And then all of a sudden, you're like, we're 50 laps into this thing. It's going by pretty quick. But yeah, yesterday's race,

I thought was fine. You know, it's still hard to pass. You know, it's. I don't like, I don't like that you can, there's no conserving of, of any finesse of tires or anything, they can run. It's like, I think we run like the hardest tire we can. Yeah. And that's like the go to whenever there's uncertainty or something, you just go to the hardest tire. But I don't think like when they come off and give, you know,

every team does their wares after they're each run. And you figure out what tire you're using up. And when they're like, oh, yeah, you can do 300 or something laps on, you know, this tire. that's just to me there's you're telling the driver okay tires are not an issue and we had guys that didn't take tires numerous times took rights and stuff and the only reason you took tires sometimes is because you fuel yeah and then bringing it up with this will probably kill a spot on on spot off topic but fuel mileage again like I don't want to I don't want fuel mileage to dictate how hard we race and plate races you know and it's not as big of a deal at Atlanta as it is

at Daytona, Talladega, but it's still a pretty big deal. They were doing it. You know, you had a save. You saw the two car dominates the first two stages just out there riding. You know, he's dominating. He finished, I think, second to first stage wins the second stage. You never saw him again in the third stage because he had to take more fuel than everybody at the end of the second stage.

He comes out of pits in 18th or something like that. But it didn't matter for him. Like he hit a home run. Yeah. Oh, no. He needed points. He left there with a ton of points. Yeah, I think he got 40.

He finished, I think, 10th, Doug said. And I think they looked this morning. They had 40-something points. He probably was in the top. four or five of guys that, you know, points earned. But, you know, that's the same point. Like, that's the best car. I want to see the best car up there all day, you know, and he's, he's basically, he knows in the

end of that, he knows in the middle of that second run after, which that, another caution there. But the, you know, the second run of the second stage, he's committed to, I'm done. I'm going to just stay out front, win this stage and take whatever it comes to me at the end. Because they didn't have a bad pit stop. They just had to take more fuel than everybody else. And they lost, that's the difference.

I mean, I have to look and see where he came out. He was towards the back of the elite lap cars just because he just because he took a couple of seconds more fuel than everybody. But mission accomplished for him. I didn't watch stage one. I did watch stage two. And I was I was literally dozing off. Like I was trying to stand to it. And I was like, but nothing changed in the first two rows.

The two was out front. And then Blaney and whoever it was rose side by side. That was it. Nobody moved. Yeah. Yeah. It seemed to me like you couldn't. Like I don't know if they were just riding, saving fuel at that position or what.

But the two, the two. the two seem like he just run between the two lanes and you couldn't really develop a run. They weren't trying. Yeah. They were saving fuel. I mean, we're giving. The bad part about it is you're kind of, if you're back five, six rows, you're not going anywhere. Yeah.

And like it's just, that's the part that, you know, I wish there was a, I wish there was an easy fix for it to make it to where we did race hard at that point or, you know, we didn't have guys up there. I'm feeding Brad info like, hey, the leaders are 70% throttle. And we're back there as hard as you can go trying to get there and you can't. So it makes it, I don't know, there's just, I just wish there was some sort of, you know, factor of like tires where you could wear them out or something, you know, fuel where it didn't, where it didn't matter. I don't know, just something.

I wish there was an easy fix. I don't have a solution. I mean, I think a solution could be just like Brett's been harping on for about 10 years now. It seems like eliminate the cautions at the stage breaks. You know, this way everybody, you know, you're not just, you don't have an endpoint you're going to. You know, you're just running until you're on a fuel at that place because you lose so much. I think it's worth of shot. Yeah.

You know, it's something you got, you got to do something because we're just we've, the package. The package already isn't great, obviously. It's hard to pass. That's why we see this. That, that, people ask me all the time, like, why didn't we do this with the old car? Why do we say fuel? Because it was easier to pass. You could make moves.

You could, you could do things with the old car, create runs and go from the back to the front. Now, once we get, you see it all the time at Daytona Taldaiga, you see it here yesterday. Once you get that group, whoever comes out of the pits for the last, you know, the last run in front generally stays up there. Obviously, Atlanta, you can, you can, you know, get yourself in a bad spot and get shuffled out kind of like, I think the 54 did yesterday. It did. But, you know, the, that's why we see this now because all. The package isn't great where you can't make moves. You can't progress from the back to the front.

So you have to be at the front at the end. And it's all about track position. So you're saving fuel so that you put the least amount in on the last pit stop and get as much track position as you can. So I think we just have to figure out a way either to fix the package, which I don't have a lot of confidence in with this car. And or figure out a way to get these guys to stop saving fuel. And I don't know if that just eliminating the stage breaks is get these.

Because right now you just can pay. You don't have to eliminate the. the stage points. No, no, just a break. Yeah. The break. I can tell you, like, if you sit on your couch and you try to be just a fan, it actually looks pretty cool.

Yeah. But if you're a racer and you've been in the sport and you've raced, yeah, it's very, very frustrating to watch. So, you know, that's my issue with already don't love the fact, I mean, that we have two drafting plate track, wherever you want to call them in the playoffs, especially one in the first round where it's 16 guys that you're, you know, hoping you don't wreck, you know.

But now you've got it to where, at least it was an art form back, you know, before this car, you know, you could, if you were good at plate racing, okay, great. Now you don't really have to be good at plate racing. You just have to have a car that's got some speed, decent setup and then. And can go wide open. And save the fuel, you know, save fuel and cycle out. So I just, I don't know. It's just still probably the traditionalist in me that hates the fact that we're just riding

around saving fuel have today. But it's, it's, uh, I wish we could do something. I wish there was a solution. Handling mattered a lot yesterday. I don't know if it's because it was during the day and hot or what, but that was, that was cool to see. I saw a lot of guys getting loose getting tight. Um, did we ever figure out of what happened?

Larson, did he, did something break on that car? I think he just, I was a nasty year. We were, we were, and I'm sure you went over this before, you know, before the race, a lot. We saw at the last race there. If you got offset to the right, you could get in a tricky arrow spot where it would just snap. We saw it a couple times in the last race there. And that looked like

what it was to me. He was offset about a half a card of the right of the 12 and just kind of got in that weird air zone. Yeah. And it just snapped on it. Yeah. I don't know what happened. He started to catch it. Nasty hit. I mean, and then you like, I don't know. And it's hard to say I was in the very back. We had fallen all the way to the back to get out of there. And so I was able to watch it from a

broader view. There was a lot. I mean, I know the, I know, I know Briscoe hit him hard. Yeah. And I don't know, you know, what happened what the communication was there. But there was a lot of guys that potentially would have hit him real hard. What was odd to me on TV, Freddie, is not only did they come close to him, it looked like they weren't even lifting. Yeah.

It's like they had no idea there was a wreck. So I don't know what the spotters did or didn't see. I don't know what the drivers did or didn't see. But when you have a guy at the cup level get hit that hard five seconds after he makes contact with a wall and five seconds is a guess in my brain, I didn't go back in time it. But there were way too many cars going way too fast by him. And I'm not saying that from an operational standpoint. I'm saying that from people were making errors.

Yeah. I remember the first race we did there with this package after they reconfigured the track. I was in my binoculars like I was at Daytona. You know what I mean? And you lose all peripheral. And you lose all. I mean, you have, I don't know what you say, three rows in each direction. That's the weird thing too is that Atlanta, when we put our binoculars up, we are way tighter than we are at Daytona, Talladega.

Daytona Talladega coming off too, you can have the end. entire field in your binoculars. You can't do that at Atlanta. They're a lot further away. Bubba said something to me, I forget, we had a stack up into the first race there. We had a stack up into three. And it just started out of my peripheral. By the time it got in, we didn't wreck, but it was just a late, you know, I check up

harder than we needed to probably. And he's like, man, you're using the binoculars? I was like, yeah. He's like, I got to stop. You know, like, and that I think that's what happens there. You know, you got guys racing, especially the end of the stage. You're pushing. You're in your binoculars only going to see two or three rows around you.

and this guy's wrecked, you know, a half, you know, quarter mile out front of you, that, you know, I don't know if that's what happened. But when he was spinning, he's coming down the hill and I'm watching. Like, and I'm like, somebody's going to get him like hard. And unfortunately, Chase the. If they'd had a spotter per perspective of that wreck, they would have, the viewers would have learned something right there because it never really got talked about. So the wreck's there. I mean, you got to be aware because a lot of them started in the front. And that's kind of a trend for that track is the leaders.

I mean, we had what, last year, we had a couple of them starting in front with Almerola, maybe, somebody. The hits are just so massive. Like, and I don't mean hitting the wall. I mean, the bump draft is, oh, yeah. It's so hard that when it happens, if you don't pick that guy and carry tons of momentum forward, if there's any checking up, that accordion effect back to the middle is, it's big. Yeah, I don't, we haven't really had any wrecks there from the accordion effect. I don't think yet, which is good.

That, you know, most of the spotters have been on top of that a little bit now, the checkup into three. Like, we really haven't had any wrecks from that. Most of the wrecks are just from guys in bad arrow spots and just catching them off guard. And that's what, I think that's what happened to Larson. But, you know, and I'm sure, you know, Briscoe, he's kind of in the thick of things back there. And, you know, and it was four or five seconds before he lifted off the throttle. from the time from the time larcen hit the wall it was probably four and a half seconds maybe before he even lifts and then he then he's already there so um but that's you know but that to me i mean

chase can see smoke too you know what i mean i'm sure he saw some sort of of uh you know some sort of sign of a wreck that was happening up there as well so it's not to me it's not completely on the spotter to see it. It's kind of on both in that, in my opinion. Yeah, listen, sometimes it's hard, man. It's definitely hard. We were at Daytona. And if Kevin Harvick, I'm sorry, if Kevin Hamlin had not pointed it turned two,

there was a car that was spun out sitting in the middle of racetrack and it was practice. And so like you said, you're in your binoculars. You can't see it. I saw Kevin point and I'll drop my binoculars. I'm like, oh, we're going to kill this guy. And I start screaming. Hemrick did everything he could to miss it because he can't see it. either yet. And, oh, man, I mean, listen, that's the element of spotting. I did it to Bubba.

He would never throw me under the bus. But the getting into one in Xfinity race back at Vegas, we're, we're somebody made a three wide. I'm just spotting three wide in my binoculars. And somebody spun off and two and we, by the time I took my binoculars down, it was check out. And it was we piled right in. I mean, he locked it up and spun sideways, but we piled right in. But yeah, uh, you know, I guess what this race was designed to do is shake a playoffs up, huh? I don't remember who he had even going out, but I think I was on the Austin Cendrix going out bus, and that was stupid because he's gained more points at Super Speedway races

than any other driver. He obviously had a really, really good race one. I would think that Watkins Glenn sets up nice for him, too. But, man, big hits for, I said last week, I think I said, Larson can literally take a race off. Well, he did. He just did, yeah. Yeah, he took his race off.

And he's still in. He can't take another one off. No. What's he? Didn't he test it, Watkins Glenn, though? I don't know. Who all tested there? Don't remember.

I think it was Byron. Was it Byron? Or Bell? Somebody posted, somebody posted there like whooped data and it was. I'm pretty sure they test all the time. They still doing that? I don't know. I don't know if it's his, it's a reddick tested there, right?

Yes. Redick definitely tested there. Yeah. Jesus. Brisco showed up. Brisco goes here. Yeah, it's either Byron or Larson, I can't remember. But yeah.

I was hoping that Harrison Burton was going to have two really good stages and get some points, give himself a chance to advance, really didn't. And then obviously he got in that wreck at the end. So I think, unfortunately for him, I think his Cinderella story may be over because this is going to be two really tough tracks, Watkins Glen and Bristol that are coming up. But I think that Martin Truex can dig himself out of this hole. But talk about a team that, man, they haven't been able to put it together lately.

You know, just caught up again, just sitting there and somebody comes off the wall, smokes him in the right front. I was talking to Drew on the plane and his spotter and Drew's like it didn't look. Like he obviously made contact, the 12 hit him, you know, and it's like didn't look like, you know, it's going to end your day contact. It's just like, oh, he bounced off the side of us and kept going. He said they took the right front off and it was mangled. That's a weird thing too because like there were three incidents on pit road where in the old car, you would have been done. and in this car they just beat and bang off each other and keep going. Yeah.

Suarez, he wrecked on pit road with a couple guys and I've seen him taping everything down. He's back up there almost won the race. Yeah, he did a good job. Was it Blaney's car? They looked like he went through absolute hell. Yeah, the door taped back on. He was driving down the road and they just took him out.

He did. Buster just said, see ya. Yeah. Yeah, man. Good day. Good day for obviously Blaney comes out with the point lead. Bowman had a really good day. He was up there, got stage point.

Cindric good day Suarez, good day obviously a bad day for Larson very interesting day for Danny which I'm sure we'll get into Ty Gibbs I thought he was in really good position at the end there and then got shuffled out he was up there leading top five. I'm literally surprised

to see him 12th. I haven't seen him up front all day like I thought that he was He ended up like 18th or 19th I thought he felt like 17th. The last restart he was right behind us we were I think eighth and he was 9th or he was 10th and Ricky split him he kind of jerked up to the hill a little bit and one

and Ricky split the middle, and he went backwards from that point on. Obviously, a bad day for Truex, tough day for Brisco. I think Brisco, I don't know, Briscoe can climb out. Like you said, I think Truex can if he has a good run this week. Right on the cut line, TJ. What are you going to do this week? I just want to go to the Glen and have a, honestly, I'll just go to, if we have an average day and not bad luck at the Glen, I think we go to Bristol with a fighting chance. But you, you're good luck at the Glenn.

correct me if I'm wrong is you have to chase stage points. I mean, you're either going to chase stage points or you're going to swing for the fence. Yeah. Yeah. You're one or the other. You can swing for the win, but if you miss the win,

I mean, if you told me we were going to, you know, leave their right with an 11th place finish, I'd probably take it. You know, maybe a few stage points. I'd probably take it because I feel like we're going into one of our strengths,

which is Bristol. I feel like we can run really good there. And if we get some stage points there, I think we can get both stage points and a solid finish. I think, you know, I think we can advance. I feel like what Austin Cendrick did yesterday is what five of these guys are going to have to try to do it, Wockensk, period. And listen, if they're talking about a lot of tire fall off. Four seconds, I'm hearing.

Four seconds. Will that discourage people from flipping the stage? because, you know, you've got to flip the stage a lot of times from three laps out. Now you're going to put three laps on your tires. If they're falling off four seconds, you know, that's going to be a big deal. Yeah, I mean, people are going to do it. But that's falling off four seconds. If you're running as hard as you run, when you flip the stage, you try to come off pit road with four fresh tires right around for two and a half laps and not go fast.

But we saw, you know, we just saw Darlington, a three lap run made the difference in the race. Huge, huge. You know, and we, I don't, I mean, what's the fall off at Darlington? It's probably similar, I would assume. It's probably it's at two or three seconds, I think. I mean, we got to get there, though. We got to get there and put a lot of cars on the track and see what the difference is. Because I don't think it's going to be.

I can't, I mean, four seconds is a lot. I don't think it'll be. I mean, it's obviously a big track. I'm more interested in seeing if these guys, most of these guys, majority of the field hasn't been to Watkins Glen where there was a punishment for leaving the racetrack. you know, I mean, how many of these guys were really were racing whenever, you know, Jeff Gordon had that big wreck out of the carousel. Massive wreck, Sam Hornish. Yeah.

And I mean, how many, we've had some massive wrecks between one and two. Remember one and two? I thought he was not going to make it. I know. Yeah. With David Reagan down there. Now you're going to be going even faster. We've had some big wrecks out of 11, you know, like 10.

They've paved all that. I mean, there was a sand trap one time when we blew through. with Dale Jr. with no brakes. So, but, yeah, I mean, I don't... Turn 11 is really hard for spotters because when they run under that bridge, that walkover. You can't see now. And then usually, man, it's like once every two, three years, somebody spins out

and parks right where the bridge is. The worst spot. Yeah, where you can't see. You can't park there. Yeah. Well, you can park there. We can just make it out of bounds. Just make it out of bounds and say you can't go there.

Yeah. But then if certain cars go out of the road, Bounce we're going to say it's okay. I just want to see what these. D.C question. Yeah. Who can and can't park there? Yeah.

And don't forget about the bus stop or yeah, the bus stop. Is it a bus stop anymore though? Have we seen what it's going to look like on entry? I don't. Yeah. It's like a little bit of curb and a wall. I'm just saying. You know what I mean?

Like they didn't put that big. That's how you fix the discretionary out of bounds. They didn't pick that big turtle up there. Like no, there's like nothing on entries or anymore. Just a wall now. I know. Well, they had a turtle that it could put there, remove it. Yeah.

I don't know what they decided on that. Honestly, I would say it was taking it out. It's not going to be there. Yeah. But it looks like it's a sharp enough corner now where, I mean, the bus stop spotters are going to have to be on their game because as soon as if you pinch somebody into that wall, it's not like you're running them off the track or running them over a curb like he used to before. You know, Robbie Gordon used to hit that curb and he'd be six feet in the air with his right side tires and somehow make it to the other side of the bus stop faster than anybody else. and he'd be a good guess for the download Robbie

I agree yeah there ain't nobody got more stories than that guy ain't nobody crazier than that guy now yeah he's crazy he's bad crazy he's a he's a good dude I mean he's he's wild yeah but I don't know that I'm I'm interested in what the changes to the Glenn have done I think the tracks being they're trying stuff

which is cool so see how it goes was there any charter tea this weekend Freddie what do you think about the charters here's a situation swearing with these charters, Carson. T.J. ain't going to say nothing because his owner took the political stance of, oh, everything's great. And Freddie's owner said, you guys, we're signing. So he can't talk about it. So now I'm on Island. Which one of Freddy's owners?

Both. Here's what I want to bring up before we dive into this. And I think Freddie can actually attest to this. Although I'm sure, TJ could too, but I'm... Does Freddie want to attest to this? I don't know because he doesn't know what it is. Some owners, you're breaking up. I can't hear you. Have charters that they didn't pay anything to own. They were gifted these charters. Other owners have charters that, Freddie, they paid a little bit for in comparison to

today's market for charters. And then there's two more side, two more kind of tiers of this. Then there's other owners in here that have paid what we would consider to be a tremendous amount of money, tens of millions of dollars, to own a charter. And then there's two teams that are supposedly adding charters, front row motorsports, in 2311 and they're the two that didn't sign. So I think like when people hear the charter thing, they have to realize each owner has their own position because of how long they've

been around or not been around. And the less you've been around, the more money you pay. Like if you look at Matt Collegg and Trackhouse and 2311, holy, they're hundreds of millions of dollars collectively into this charter system. So theoretically, they have the most to lose, I think. I agree. He does attach to that. I am focused on the next nine races.

So, like, I think that's important. Here's the other thing for me, since T.J. Freddie can't talk. I just want to be B.J. can talk. He's choosing Godfrey. When Hendrik Motorsports and Penske sign, I think the other sheriff's Everleigh and Ford teams are pretty much screwed. I think they lose a lot of their leverage.

If Joe Gibbs Racing has signed, then I think the other Toyota teams lose a lot of their leverage. That's the three teams that are the most successful. That's the three teams with the most star power. So I don't know what the end game is here for 2311 and front row motorsports. And I'll say this, and a business professor told me this in college. maybe the only thing I remember from a four years I was in South Carolina. Unethical doesn't mean illegal.

Just because you're treated poorly doesn't mean that it's against the law. So unless they can find something here that is corrupt or illegal, I don't know what they think they're going to get a month or six months from now that they're not going to get last week. And there was a lot of confusion by the Darfs on Twitter when it came out that a line had been drawn in the sand. And the line was drawn in the sand last week. I actually heard about it. I reached out to a friend of mine that works in the media on Friday. And I said, why is this not out there anywhere? And he said, well, I'm not heard of it. And the majority of the time, media people tell me

stuff. It's not vice versa. They hear way more. You had a lot of media served up last week. But I reached out to a media buddy of mine. And he was like, I don't know anything about what you're talking about. This was at noon on Friday. And I was like, wow, they're really keeping. They're really keeping in this hush, hush somehow. But people were like, you know, NASCAR can't strong arm you into signing this. You can't be bullied into signing this. They can't take your charter back if you don't sign it. NASCAR can do whatever they want.

Yes, they can't. They, it's, it's, Elliot Sadler always said it's their bat, their ball, their field. You do what they want. It's an invitational series. And there's been a couple times they thought about not inviting the three of us back. So. Imagine that. Mainly you two.

But when you look, oh, you were, you were, you were good. I had a waiver. You didn't have a waiver. I had a waiver. But when you look at a TV deal that's worth over a billion dollars a year and you're going into a brand new TV media rights deal. And I don't mean that as in it's brand new. I mean as in it's unproven. We're going heavily into streaming.

What does that mean for team owners and their ability to sell sponsorships on those weekends? When it's on big Fox, when it's on big ABC or big NBC or big EASPN or whatever, we know what we're saying. selling as marketers. I don't know what we're selling when we go to streaming. I'm not saying it's bad for the sport. There's literally no factual data to back it up. You don't know what the TV numbers are from Amazon Prime last year because it wasn't on it. I mean, you don't have that to provide or any of that.

So I want to see the teams be given everything they can be given to be successful. I know, I mean, there is an old saying around here. You want to know how to make a small fortune in racing? Start with a big one Start with a big one Nobody comes in here It makes a ton of money It's just not the way it is

Right So yeah We could I could feel questions on this But like I don't want to Just dive in all these different holes But I'm really surprised That

That it happened But I guess if NASCAR comes to you And says you got till midnight To sign this Or we're taking your charter back You go Uh oh Do they mean it?

And if they mean it You got to try it I thought that the fair let me get one of them charters. I thought that was the tear down last night. Jordan put a statement out there that from a team owner that compared the negotiations to a communist regime or something like that. So that's a fairly large statement. The one thing Curtis Polk said that I did actually put in my notes was he said, this isn't the 1960s and these predatory practices will not withstand scrutiny and be accepted in 2024.

for. Well, every team but two just accepted the scrutiny. So I don't know what you're, I don't know what the end game is here. And clearly, he and Michael Jordan come from a different world. I am a big fan of collective bargaining and everybody having a fair shot. Yeah, it's, it's curious though, if NASCAR can buy the charter back, right? If they can buy it back at the end of the year, does front road just want $100 million and they close the doors and say, see you later? Peace out. I mean. You pay me $30 million per charter.

I get my cash back. I'm gone. Like what's the end game here is what I'm in question about. Yeah. TJ, anything you want to add? Meanwhile, Brad's over here going, I think everything's great. We got a lot of what we wanted. I'm like, man, you couldn't be more different in what Denny Hamlin's group is saying

and what Brad Kasowski's group is saying. And I did speak to four other team principals with various teams, various manufacturers. And they were all saying the exact same thing. thing. None of them, none of them spoke to the media, though. I don't, this has been going on. How long have they made good? Two years. Okay. So we're two years into this. And it's, to me, they're not, I mean, that's two years to go. That's a long time to negotiate something. And it almost, you knew it was going to come to a point like this. It had to eventually. You know what I mean? Like, if you can't negotiate a

contractor or a deal in two years, some, a line in the sand has to be drawn, like you said. And I don't think whether, you know, whether the views of their team is different. Obviously, they probably are a little bit. I don't think neither one of them are necessarily wrong. You know, I'm sure I don't think Denny's a bad businessman. I don't think Michael Jordan is a bad businessman. I don't think Brad's a bad businessman. I think they all know what they're doing.

Now that you're talking, do you think it's odd that NASCAR has not said a word? Not really. No, I mean, why? I don't think it's really odd. You don't ever, I mean, I don't think when teams are negotiating with players, that they never come out. You don't think it's odd that 2311 said that they have not had an opportunity to speak with NASCAR since May if this is a negotiation. I don't think it's odd that they don't publicly put it out there. I don't think it's odd.

I mean, you don't see the team coming out saying, well, we offer this guy this. You know, an NFL team, don't come out and say, well, we offered that players. he didn't take it. You never hear that. They're there. It's, you never. We find out what they took. Yes, but they, they, they, from the team side, the main side, the, it's quiet. And I don't, I don't think it's bad or wrong to do that. I think that's, I mean, that's fine on their part. You know, whether, when it's all said and done, I'm sure there will be, you know, we'll get info on, you know,

what, what, what, what some of the holdups were maybe or something. But honestly, I mean, really, they don't even have to do that. I don't think so. I mean, I mean, they don't have to really tell us, anything they don't want to tell us. So they could tell us they talked about vacation spots. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't matter. I hope we run good the next nine races. That's what I'm focused on.

He should have ran better the last three. I hope we were running pretty good. A lot of crashes happened in front of us. Tyler Reddick is one of the greatest drivers in the sport, period. Bubba Wallace is one of the most popular drivers in the sport, period. their team doesn't have a deal for next year with the most popular owner of the world, in my opinion.

The most popular owner of any motorsports franchise in the world, Michael Jordan, they don't have a deal. The owner has the most potential to bring in new fans and a new audience. That's what Michael Gordon brings. 880, black crippling crazy. He could bring them all. What?

Was that English? I don't even know what you just said. understand. I heard 280. The first thing you hear in marketing is you can't be all things to all people. Well, there's brands like M&Ms that can. Michael Jordan is the M&Ms of an athlete. He can be attractive to everybody. Not that kind of attractive.

The things that I learn. Watermelon Capital of the world. It's what I will say about what we got to warm. There we go. Now that you're talking. No, no. Freddie is out of the chair. Michael Jordan.

It's never hard to know when MJ's at the racetrack. or when he's getting near our hauler because suddenly there is throngs of people standing around our hauler and I'm like, what's going on out there? Thumbs. Yeah. What's going on? Do you realize MJ just walked up and he's standing somewhere behind the hauler or he's getting ready to come in the hauler. It's incredible to just watch him walk through the garage.

He's easy to, he's pretty easy to pick out in the Cup series garage as tall as he is. And then just the amount of people that follow him or anywhere. And Freddie's left the chat. And that was a nice. That was nice talking to you guys again. Well, we have lots more to dive into from this weekend, and we'll be right back with spot on, spot off. You've heard us talk a lot about Fandul, America's number one sports book. Well, we have something a little different for you.

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Spot on, spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to ride her out there. I'm spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? I can't. T.J. saved my life from an ant.

A large ant or a small cockroach. We don't know. It was an ant. It was not a cockroach. Let's get into it. In the final lapse of Saturday's Xfinity race, Corey Haim elected to push Austin Hill

rather than his teammate Chandler Smith. Hill ultimately won the race. And when questioned afterwards, Heim said Chandler had no run or no momentum. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. Listen, going into three, I thought Chandler executed everything perfectly.

He got on Austin Hills bumper, shoved him out about three or four car lengths, and I'm like, oh, he's got him. Like, all he's got to do now is just back up to the 26th and he's going to have a major run down the front stretch and it's over. He's clear.

But the problem was, instead of backing up to the 26, he pulled out of line and got next to him. Austin Hill did get loose to go up the hill though. Yeah, because he's pushing him. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying, but like, at that point, if you,

You've now, you neutralized your run when you push him. You know, you've got a big run into three. You've pushed him into three. You got them upset. Now you back up. Like that's, you want to put these guys on an island. That's what I've,

the wave of always approached the end of the race is like, if you could put that leader on an island, you've got them. You know, you know, run unblockable. Yeah, like make it where you get them out there, three or four car lengths,

back up to the guy behind you. And, and you have a big run down the front straightaway. And unfortunately, Chandler at that moment, pulled out too soon, got side by side with him, where neither one of them

to run at this point now that you've just stalled each other out and you've put it all in Corey's high in Cory Heim's hands of what he's going to do let me tell you what Cory I'm probably not going to do is push a JGR car well I mean I'm spot off for the comments from Chandler because like he's there to win this I'm so tired of people being mad at somebody else not trying to win the race I can't wait till it's Brad and Busher doesn't help him I can't wait the the my I mean I don't If the guy wins the race, how do you blame him? Everybody wants to win the race.

Everybody wants to win the race. He probably would have won the race if Austin doesn't run him in the fence and one and two. But, you know, I like Chandler. Obviously, I love Chandler. You know, what's he going to do when the 26 pushes him by the 21? Is he going to stay down and pull the 26 by? No, he's going to move up in front of the 21 and try to win the race. Corey doesn't finish.

Corey doesn't finish like second either. No, he finished third or worse. Worse than that probably because they're going to line up up top. And he's going to go to the bottom. he's going to push Chandler by the 21, then him and the 21 are going to be side by side, and the line is going to go flying by him on the outside. Could he have helped? Yes.

Do I expect him to help? No shot. I was a part of the culture shift when Stuart Hoss Racing went to Talladega and we dominated. We ran one, two, three, four for a ton of that race. We also half a second faster than every other car there. It was easy to do that. And once that happened, we saw a big shift in culture at these super speedways to where manufacturers got aligned and teams within the manufacturers got aligned.

We saw it yesterday. Blaney and Ligano aligned. Ross with his teammates were it aligned. So I think what's happened is when we see a Chevrolet motor push a Toyota motor or a Toyota motor push a Chevrolet motor, it's like, well, they're not supposed to do that anymore. And I think that in this spot on spot off topic, it said that Corey Himes is a teammate. he's not a teammate. He's a line from a manufacturing standpoint. And if he's a real Toyota guy, and our Toyota, I would expect him to push Chandler Smith. But if JGR and Coreyheim for whatever reason don't like each other, I heard it goes back to something in ARCA, which I would forget I was

ever in ARCA if I were them guys. But nonetheless, that's the decision Coreyheim had to make. And I promise you he thought about it. He can't say Chandler didn't have a run because Chandler did have a runner. He wouldn't get beside of him. But all the faith. of the front row light on which one he picked and then he picked Austin they tried to get Austin's right rear.

Austin fenced him a little bit, ran him high. Yeah. I thought Austin did a really solid job to execute the win given everything he had going on. Yeah. It was a great end to a

race for me. Yeah. I think that, you know, I think it's a different story when you're, if you're the 26 in that situation,

Chandler pushes him into three. They get side by side the middle of three and four. The 26 is probably two, car links back, three car links back to that point. You're not, you don't have, you're not getting clear. The 26 is not getting clear. He could push the 81, the 81 clear, but you're not getting clear.

Once you don't get clear, yeah, you're screwed. Now, does that change if Chandler backs up to him off a four and they have a two or three car lane gap, which Austin is very good at defending? So he might have closed that gap on exit of four anyway. But now if you've got momentum, much more momentum moving to the front and Chandler pulls out. Maybe there's a better chance he goes with him thinking we can both get clear of the 21 and now I can race Chandler for the win. I just think that if you're there to win the race, you got Sam Hunt, which Corey's on a really good job in Sam Hunt stuff all year long in a car that doesn't have a

single sponsor on it. You know, this is their opportunity to showcase what they've gotten. And if he pushes Chandler there, he's forfeiting any chance he had at the win. And I think he just made the decision. I think the fact that, listen, JGR, who, Corey Hime is clearly, I think, the best or the number one prospect at Toyota right now moving forward. You know, they think if they could handpick, if they could start a team and, you know, Toyota, like, that's their guy right now, I would imagine, you know. He certainly says I'm fast everywhere I go. He does a tremendous job when he gets no Sam Hunt equipment. I mean, I think that for him to stay Toyota and be successful, where's he going to go?

It's got to be 2311 and it's got to be Sam Hunt. It's got to be skip Xfinity all together and go straight to 2311. Well, 2311 hadn't had mentioned signing high. Yeah. I mean, legacy is also not signed a charter. But I mean, you just... They're not signed a... I just hope we run good in the next nine races.

Did you sign your contract? Did you say your contracts on somebody's desk? I wouldn't count on that to get signed either. It's somewhere floating around the shop right now, I hope. Anyway, you may want to recall it. Give it a couple weeks. Yeah, airspeed, Freddie. Oh, airspeed, sorry.

Yeah, but like, so like there's not even there hasn't been a single rumor discussion, anything of Coreyheim getting in a JGR car ever. Like it no, no. I mean, people were, you know, speculating maybe he gets in the 19. That was never going to happen. Uh, JGR Xfinity. Nope. Like like so there's got to be some. Him and I don't think.

Him and Ty Gibbs and Corey battled to no end. in the ARCA series. And I think there's just residual feelings from that. And I think that there's a reason why that's the reason why Corey's not even getting a look. And there's no doubt in my mind that that played a factor in when he's looking at, do I push a JGR car to win and screw myself or do I just push a top and give myself a shot to win? It's pretty easy decision for me. I don't think.

I think that's what I don't think that people get is he didn't push him because he's a JGR car. he wasn't going to push him he wants to win the race and there's two things Chandler didn't make the correct move to win the race and he needed a belt out and Corey wanted to win the race too

as well as he should have and you know maybe he gets an offer in the cup series room from somebody else or somewhere and takes it I don't know but he wants to win especially for them guys I mean he wants to win for his group and himself and his best odds of winning

were to have a shot at passing Austin Hill and he put himself in that position and he damn near completed it. He was in Austin. Austin's been in the Xfinney series for so long and he knows what he's doing. He knows exactly where to put a guy without kind of making him make a choice.

Like, okay, you can lift here or you can stay in it. You're going to get into the fence. And he knew exactly where to put him to have that happen. I mean, here's the thing that it drives me crazy. I was talking about some of the guys in the spotter deal in the room yesterday.

You know, Austin in his interviews, like, you know, I was just trying to move up there and take his airway and get him tight. And I saw he got the wall and I hated that happen. No. No, you didn't. Exactly. I will tell you this, though. When that shoes on the other foot, when that shoes on the other foot, Austin does not think it's that.

He does not take it well. That's all of them, though. Listen, one guy we got to bring in here, maybe have an intervention with. Robbie Gordon. Yeah, bring them on here. I don't, I love this guy. So I don't want to come off like I'm being, I'm going to be bread for. So I'm not trying to be a.

Oh, yeah. Does anybody crash with the fastest race car more than just an all guy. That thing. This is a topic I cannot speak on. Be quiet. That thing was a missile Saturday. The Mayo Missal. Was it as good though after he pulled the tape off the front end?

That thing was a missile. It was, it was good. When he drove by everybody on the bottom by himself, I was like, man, this is Dale Jr.'s car from 10 years ago. they resurrected it I don't know so what had they he cut it right

front end of three I saw them say that him and he him and Custer made contact it was really hard to tell you'll never get me

to say his tire was going down I don't but you'll never get me to say it wasn't either yeah because you couldn't tell I don't think it

went down once they touched dude it was the light you didn't even see smoke when they touched yeah I know it just looked like me like he was trying

to side draft you hard and even even the 4K camera zoomed in on the wheel opening and there's nothing

it's just like and then they're apart. He can be his worst enemy sometimes. I think he tried to crowd him. You know, one time I started talking about him and he told me he was in his garage, working in the garage. And when I started talking about it,

I made him so mad that he just started throwing. So I hope so, Justin, put it down. I just want you know this is all Freddie. Yeah. Listen, I prefer to say that I love Carson. I love Carson. I love Carson, too. I love Carson, too.

I love Justin, man. You guys are so nice. I hate it because he's so fast sometimes. And it's just, they just, you know, and sometimes it's not his doing. Where's a Phoenix? He had one that cut a tire late in the race. It's like, it's not always just him. What did you do to fix Tyler Redick when he did this every week?

I don't know. We got to figure that out. Phoenix, though. They're about the same height. We can get him in the same room and talk it out. Where was he running? We got a weight advantage. What was Justin running at Phoenix when he got the tire?

Leading. I know. but what was he doing? He was cutting the backstretched? Oh, was he? Yeah, the front stretch. Yeah, the front stretch. Yeah.

Like, you make your own luck. Somebody who did not have good luck was Denny Hamlin yesterday. Oh, no. Well, he chose it. He chose it. That's not, you make your own luck. He chose it. He chose it.

He definitely chose it. His approach was to avoid Rex, which we saw him ride. Well, wait a minute now, Carson. I think Carson's right. Because it's not his fault that Toyota screwed him on all those points. So that was bad luck for him, which put him in this position. When they tore his engine down, he lost all them points. Right?

He lost, yeah, 10. He races differently yesterday if he has those 10 points, I think. All right. Well, you can tell me all about it when I finished this sentence. No, I was just saying they were telling you that he didn't make his own luck. He made his own luck. I don't know if he did here. All right.

So he rode in the rear of the pack for most of the day and unfortunately was collected in a final lap wreck and finish 24th. You're dying to share. Go ahead. Spot on. Spot off. Spot off. What the fuck was he thinking? He rode around the back all day.

He got no stage points. He got in a wreck. He's lucky he came out of here above the cut line. And he's one of the smartest super speedway racers out there. Obviously, you could drive from the back to the front. We saw other guys do it, including, I think, his teammate, Ty Gibbs. And did Martin start in the back too? Yeah, they come out.

They knifed through there in the beginning. I think Denny's probably going to wish he had that one back. And I think that he can walk away from Watkins Glenn next Sunday knowing, hey, I'm good, because I'm good at Watkins Glen. I got my points. I'm fine. I'm going on to one of my best tracks. Or he's going to walk away from Watkins Glen if he doesn't have a lot of points.

And he's still right here just cut off line. Because Bristol, just like Atlanta, you can get caught up in somebody else's wreck very, very easily. And on those restarts, if it's a wreck in the top seven or eight, a big accordion effect, man, you could take out eight or nine cars. So I was very surprised at the strategy that he and Chris Lambert and Chris Gabe Hart took yesterday. Or maybe it was all Denny. If you listened to the radio. Oh, yeah.

I don't think it was gay part to play. Yeah. I probably have one. Gay part also says me bad messages when he gets mad at me. So Chris Gaypar, what the fuck were you thinking too? Yeah. I don't know. I think that,

going back and looking at some of the audio, it was, I think it was pretty clear whose plan it was. And I don't understand that. There was multiple times I went down to Lambert and I was like, are you guys having problems again? Because obviously they were, they had a major issue in qualifying.

I think somebody had, said they had some bad spark plug or something. So they were, I mean, they were off three seconds off the pace or something like that and qualifying. So I didn't know they, which they fixed that. And that's why the, I think the 19 precautionary measures just went and changed the same any changed just to be sure. But I went over there a couple times and I'm like, are you guys all right? Like I get it.

You're riding. But like we went back there. We were like midpack at the end of the stages and we bailed because like we're not racing for anything. There's no point being there. We had to make big adjustments to the pit stop. And so you go back back, you're bail back there. And I'm like, oh, he's still back here.

And then you look third stage. It's like, okay, still back there. You know, waiting for a wreck. Well, then there's like 20 to go. And you're like, all right, he's still like second or last in line. All right, now there's 10 to go. He's still not going. Like at some point, I get like, we've seen this strategy.

Ryan Newman did this every plate race for my entire spotting career. He would ride around the back. And then somehow with five to go, he's in position to win the race. Obviously, that was a much different package. But I was like. I didn't understand. And like you said, he just forfeited the gap he had.

I think he came in with like a 15 point gap to the cut line. And now he's, I think, one point ahead of you or two points ahead of you. Yeah, we're all together. So now you just gave a race away, essentially. Like, I get it. You gained points on Larson.

Larson wrecked. But Larson, you gained 12 points. And then on the top of it all off, you're right around the back so you don't get a wreck. The whole race. And then fine, that's what I was getting ready to say.

I'm like, can we talk about the fact that he made it, the whole. race except the final lap. Then he rexed on the last lap. So I don't. That's a giant, you.

Kyle Petty was pretty critical. Kyle Petty, I guess I don't know what they were talking about during the broadcast, but Kyle Petty, I think, was under the assumption that there was something wrong with his car from qualifying. Well,

I don't know exactly what Kyle said, but there were a lot of communications that Denny wasn't happy with how his car was driving. He was definitely free. And we were the same boat. I think we were all in the same boat. Yeah, but he was kind of,

we were fighting ours bad. But, Kyle was like, they went to Danny's interview on pit road, came back to Kyle and Kyle's like, well, now I'm even more confused. I don't know what the hell he was thinking. Like since when do you just forfeit a race in the playoffs with this structure? So, you know, the one thing that I will say, and I don't know, I'll ask you guys this, if Danny should care about this or not.

But I drive into the airport last night, you hear serious calls and it's fans that were very upset, that they spent their money to go to Atlanta to watch their favorite. driver race and he didn't race he just rode around the back there's one guy said i spent seven hundred dollars to come to this race to watch denny hamelin race and he rode around last all day long and he's like i'm i'm pretty pissed off about that should denny give a shit about that or he's just or should he just be focused on the big picture oh that guy would be happy so 1997 i went to darlington and i spent all my college money to watch dell earnhart race and he blacked out and he hit the wall like lap two came down pit road mike dillan got in the car

I got in my car and went home. And I wasn't mad because I had spent hundreds of dollars or charged hundreds of dollars on my Discover card because I didn't have any money because I was hoping Del Earnhardt was all right. So I've never been in a position, Freddie, where I paid to go watch one of my teams play and they look like they didn't play hard, even though South Carolina does that every week. So, man, that fan has a valid point.

Does Denny care? Probably not. But that fan cares. Yeah. That fan's going to switch drivers. Very easily. Very easily. I mean, in this economy, you can't be showing up.

I mean, that's $700. That's probably just going to the race. I mean, maybe one night of a hotel. I spent a thousand hours ago to care wins. Yeah. I'm just saying, like, if you, that's not counting people that hotel rooms, if they came for the weekend, you know. No, that's a beer ticket.

That's a tough. Yeah, it's a tough deal. Yeah. It's all started when Denny, uh, bad mouth the spotters. I mean, it's been downhill for us. I'm just saying. It's rapid decline. Yeah.

I mean, huge. If I'm him, I'm going the other direction. Pro spotter. Yeah. Just saying. Yeah. I wish I could tell him to sign my contract, but that's a different slope now, I think. Low on the priority list.

Yeah. I think Denny Hamill is going to be fine. But if he has a problem, mechanical, crash, whatever at Watkins, Glenn, he's in deep doogie. Yeah. Now they got to put it together. I mean, honestly, if anybody outside the top six or seven there have a mechanical issue or something, of the gun. You're in the danger zone.

You can't have one. Nobody can. Cue the top gun music. All right. Moving on. During Sunday's Cup race, an advertising sign fell onto the racetrack, which obviously brought out a caution. NASCAR should stop putting signage directly over the racing surface spot on, spot off.

TJ. Of course it said Walmart. It was on rollback. I didn't say Amazon Prime. it didn't say Target it said Walmart and it looked like

the old logo too I mean like I was just picturing sitting in the stands in their pajamas when I saw that sign Walmart then I was picturing

people fighting over Christmas fighting over Christmas yeah I'm like could this be any more Walmart? Were they also wearing the cross that you have on today? It's a Walmart moment

like those crocs that you have on today these are cockcrocks these are game crocs Oh my God the I don't think you can say Yeah, please don't ever say that again.

You can't say that? That's the third time he's used that reference today. Walmart. The third time he's used that word. TJ, Walmart, spot on, spot off. I really don't care. I didn't. I saw your tweet.

I'm like, what the hell is he tweeting about Walmart? Because I didn't realize it was, I can't see that it's a Walmart sign from the roof. And then I'm like, and then I saw a replay. I'm like, oh, now I get it. These cars are going by at 190 mile an hour in a pack. And I mean, you see how bad the air is behind a semi when you're doing 70 on the highway. imagine, you know, the air on that fence right there. So I think this stuff's going to happen from time to time.

I mean, whatever. I don't really care. It can't. So I can't believe you just said that. I don't really care. If I didn't love you, I'd slap you off. You don't really care. He didn't care if he was leading control on the race?

Right now, it's low my priority. He is so selfish in his comments all the time. Like, he can't ever just put himself in somewhere else's shoes. I don't really care about it. He's a whole race up with a lot of the list. 11 to go. Nine to go. Then it took five laps to pick the sign up and go back green.

It shouldn't have took that long, but seriously, how are you going to control what the hell happens? Now, I put a sign over the racetrack. I feel like then you're taking it too far. Take it to. Just don't hang it over the racetrack. Here's where I stand. I think when I get to a racetrack, the signage is awesome.

And the sponsors are awesome. And it gives it a vibe. It gives it an environment. But it can't be that hard to. secure a sign in 2020. Well, yeah, so secure it properly. Secure the sign. Just forgive me for saying this.

Because this is where it gets weird. This is on SMI. This is where it gets weird. SMI is in charge of that sign and that track. NASCAR is in charge of the event. NASCAR should find the ever-living out of that track. But the problem is what's NASCAR going to do if it's their track? Find themselves?

Because they own half of them. But something 100% should come down on somebody. I mean, we say that all the time, even like cars store stuff. Like there's a certain amount that we're responsible for as the series showing up. And there's things that the track is supposed to provide. And even if it's something that small, like you, we hold the racers accountable for what they do. Hold them accountable.

But you can't because they don't have track. Right. It's weird. It's different. Yeah. Like I already said earlier, I hate, I don't like, I don't love plate racing in the playoffs. I don't love that we have two of them now. And now you have, I mean, this was.

wasn't the only debris caution we had. We had a... I never saw the other one. Very random caution that coincidentally happened right around the time Green flag pit stops might have started to happen. Which, listen, Green flag pit stops there are dangerous. I wanted them to happen so bad. A thousand percent because, listen, you lose a lap and a half, you know, when you, when you

pit there. It's almost two laps. Yeah, almost two laps. And if you get, I mean, you could ruin the race for a lot of people if a yellow comes out. We saw the first race there. they were not going to throw a yellow. Who was it? I think Byron and McDowell, I mean, they wrecked coming to pit road, sat on the track for a second, and that wasn't a yellow.

And right before, all of a sudden, it was like, front, how the flag sand has a front stretch. And I'm like, what the hell they're talking about. They showed debris. Now, I don't know what year that was from, but they did show debris on TV. Really? Piece of metal right up against the wall. So, listen, there was, I don't know. That's tough.

But, yeah, I don't know. I didn't see. They went over there, pick something up quick. It was metal. Okay. So then I guess it was a debris caution. But it was very, very coincidental when the caution was thrown.

I missed the days when drivers used to throw stuff out their cars to get a caution. Oh, Bobby Hamilton, Jr. that time at IRP or where we were. He was slinging all kind of stuff out. We can ask a bad. Oh, that's a question for Robbie.

Like they were, I mean, you just like this caution with 10 to go, nine to go, whatever it was. You just, you don't realize how much, you're changed.

TJ's okay with. with signs blowing around a rest track. Well, just cautions. I'm gonna, I hope next time he's leading. They just throw a random caution. But I really don't. I hope. I hope the sign comes over his back window and glues to it.

Like, whatever that was, a glue to Jesse Lelves bumper. I'm like, what the hell is that thing hooked on? It will not come off this car. Hey, you, uh, I mean, if it's going to get on the car, I better go down on the camera on the back. So, cover the camera. Where, did you ever get out front yesterday?

No. We were, we weren't good enough. I felt like yesterday. I don't, I don't want to. to say it was easy, but it was easier to control the lines, you know, control the race. You know, you can see where runs are going to develop from. And listen, at that time, the 99's leading the race clear. Nobody, he had just passed the 54, I think.

And, I mean, it's a much bigger deal. I think Lugano was going to transfer, you know, he's going to have a good point stay yesterday. He's going to probably transfer no matter what. Swarres had a great day, but I'm still not a thousand percent sold on the fact that he's going to transfer. If he's in control of that race, he's going to be hard to beat with eight or nine to go to get around him and now you just rewracked the field and he loses the lead on the restart to tie

and then he's battling with Lugano the rest of the race. You know, you're just upsetting the Apple cart so much for something that should be easily avoided. Yes, that caution. Lining lining the two, the 12 and the 22 up. Well, that wasn't that caution. No, I mean 10, but

the same thing. Yeah, like at the end, good Lord. I mean. You know who I bet smiled when that Walmart sign was on that track? Dale Jr. I bet nobody made more money off Walmart in this sport than him. You know how much stuff he sold at the Walmart from pajamas to socks to draws to t-shirts to die-cast and little die-cast

the big die-cast umbrellas I bet he was just sitting there on his couch drinking a beer just smiling. They also a lot of umbrellas. He sold everything. Interesting. $300 million worth according to Google. You Googled it? Yeah, you got a rich uncle.

Did you know that? Did you know that? No clue. All right. During last week's Playoff Media Day, Christopher Bell had this to say about potentially adding an option tire to the championship race at Phoenix and how it could alter the finish. The option tire seems like, you know, something that would help racing but is more of a racers type things that has strategy. Do you want to see that in

future playoff years? Would you be okay with that if it was at Phoenix to have two different tire compounds, stuff like that? No. The option tire does it produce comers and goers? It does. But it also, So if you're not good, then you're just going to do the opposite, right? So what do we want the champion to be? Do we want the champion to be the best car? Or do we want the champion to be the guy that sucked all race and saved a set of red tires that got the lucky yellow? Yeah, I don't know. I'm very torn on it.

We're getting further and further away from traditional racing. Is it frustrating? It does. He's not wrong. No, I mean, I can't agree more with them. Just race the soft tire. I don't know, whatever it's called prime option. Optimus Prime.

The softest tire you can run. Just race soft and hard. That's what it's always been called. Race the soft tire. The tires? Yeah. The, yes, I couldn't agree more with him

because listen, I already have advocated on here multiple times that I hate a one race single race champion. But if we're going to have a one race single race champion, I always wanted to be the team that built the fastest race car and the driver that executed the best that day. Yeah.

Not the guy that just said, I'm going to risk it. I'm running fourth all day here today that these other three. When they put their last set on with 20 to go, I'm going to save mine and hope I get a caution with five to go. You know when that race is going on, where about your car, where you are compared to the other guys. And if you got two guys who are dominating the race for the championship and your 10th place car, why not? You're not going to beat them straight up. So why not? I mean, I get it.

There's an added layer of strategy, but I don't want, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. but I don't want the champion of our series. I'd love to see in a single race, Richmond, wherever we just ran it. I thought it was great because that's- But why is it okay at Richmond? But to my point is you're deciding a race off of, you know, all right, save this set, put it on, that's a race.

You're not deciding your season-long champion off of, oh, this guy got lucky and caught a caution with five to go. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the added layer strategy in a race, in any single race. but when that race is determining your champion of your season, I would rather it just be... What if a one-off wins that Richmond race

because he said to set for the end? He's the only guy that wins their race, has a quiet but okay playoffs, not really, you know, just quiet, doesn't get any trouble, makes the final four and does the same thing to win the championship. You're not going to have a quiet playoff and make the final four. Just an average, like good.

You're not going to have an average playoff, make the final four. What if he has a good playoff? Doesn't win races, but he's right there. And then wins James. If he's the best car, Phoenix that day, he earned it. No, he's the best car because he put the tires on. Yeah, he's saying if you get back to Phoenix and do it.

Yeah, we get back to Phoenix and that's his other win. But why is it okay? Why is it okay to get a win that way during the season? Because he's earned his way into that final four, which I don't think you think, did he really earn it? Do you think, okay, Austin Dillon one, one Richmond was Austin,

is Austin Dillon ever going to make the final four? I don't see how it's okay for one and not the other. If you're going to run, if you're going to do it, I would rather you don't do it. I was agreed with you on that show that day when I said we both agreed we should just run that red tire everywhere. But listen, I'm much more okay with run that option tire at Richmond. If somebody plays a strategy right and wins Richmond and earns their way to the playoff, okay. But if it's Phoenix deciding your season long champion, I don't want a guy to get lucky to win the championship.

Speaking of Christopher Bell, he was featured last year in a Netflix docu series along with a lot of other I did hear a rumor this week that a lot of teams and drivers were kind of electing not to be a part of that this year as kind of part of this charter deal. Have you all heard that or not? I heard that. But that's all I heard. I didn't hear anything else about it. Did you hear it, TJ? There's rumblins about it, I think.

So last year Brad was begging to be in it. You think this year he's going to do it? No clue. I have no clue. He was very upset that he wasn't asked to be involved. I want to feel it this year then since everybody's telling them no. I haven't seen. we were we obviously 2311 was heavily involved last year and I haven't really seen any

anything yet I don't know that's because you won't sign the contract I would be I'm not I'm not signed to see though now that the majority of teams have signed or 13 teams have signed is that right I don't know I hope we run good in the next nine reads well all but two have signed it'll be curious now to see if they get back in the documentary you can be featured I hope not you were on TV yesterday where you on TV did you have the camera Yeah, and somebody else had it. Maybe Coleman? Yeah. There's always two. Yeah. Your favorite driver and your most recent driver, I guess. Yeah, whatever.

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oh, man, Rick Allen called the Hellman's car. the Mayo Missile. And I couldn't stop laughing. And then Steve LaTart came in and he said, that's going to stick. I'm going to ask if my wife wants the Mayo Missile for her birthday. Oh my God. Mayo Missile. I heard that during qualifying and I was like, I hope that doesn't stick for one.

That's, uh, it doesn't say that sounds sticky at all. It sounds slick. Did you like the Mayo Missile, Carson? I have nothing to say about that. She loves Helmins. Go Helmins. Fellas and girl, last week it was ready talking about his pants and thrown up in his helmet.

This week, Cendrick's talking about his groin hurts. You mix that all together with Brett's season-long love affair with STD and whatever this feeling is with Jesse Love. And this reminds me on the new series we ought to start. the house the real house wise I'm gonna fucking it up the real house husbands of the south you think he had any beer

by any chance no chance the real house husbands of the south yeah you'd be good on that show all right I'll tell you what Lee Dissy is just the absolute go of broadcasting we could have a booths of just

actually stress that we can figure out a way to clone Lee Dizzy get two of them in the booth Dale and Hart Jr. and Michael Joy, I would put the bloody race to sleep every night. I mean, if I didn't like women so much, I'd marry the damn guy.

I can't tell if that was like he was doing an impression or if that was really... It seems like a mix of British and a show. I can't distinguish the two. How do you know? It's hard. It's definitely hard for you. Yeah.

Pagelan. Mate. Yeah. They say mate. Well, he said he would come on the show one Monday. Where does he? lives. He lived. I don't know where he lives. Australia, does. Yeah. He flies over. Great Britain. How far we're driving? He's in England.

We got yelled out a lot for saying that he was British or we called him the wrong thing. Well, no. We did it on purpose. What is it? I don't know. I still don't know. He's Australia. It's not South Carolinian. No, he's not from around here. He gets down here. Boney walks through the house last night. You can't get him to sit down and watch anything on TV. He's like, Who's that guy talking? He's not from here. I was like, Leslie Diffy. And he's like, I feel like I'm watching a soccer match or something, Dad.

I was like, I see one comment. That was funny. I thought somebody said, like, NASCAR fans were just upset because I thought it was somebody related to Joe Diffy. Real. Would you guys quit complaining about having to work 38 weeks in a week in a row this year before I get a week off? And then I get one more. more week after that. November in the middle of February.

I don't want to know how many times Freddie gets off between February and November. Oh, my God. I think that guy asked a completely inappropriate question. That's not a fair question. I can't. No, I can't talk about it. So that means you get 12 weeks off? You got easier than school teachers, bro.

Me? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, it's easy for me. I get all kind of time off. The poor guys in the shop, they're the ones get f***. I don't. I'm good with it.

I mean, you know, I don't, I mean, I get this guy, whatever. Listen, we get this shit all the time. But listen, it's more about the guys in this shop for one who, God forbid, if they want to see their kids, like on the weekend, but they got to race 40 weeks in a row. Because like, yeah, great. Some of them come home and get Monday off when their kids are in school or all their friends are working or, you know, like. So God forbid they want to spend time with their family. Save your money.

That's all I can tell you. Yeah. I mean, that's why I cut back. It's when you have kids that are busy on the weekends. You miss it all. Any worth it. And listen, everybody I know, no matter what they do, where they work, they complain about their job. Yep.

And guess what? We can do the same thing. Kiss my ass. Here he is. You know, I was feeling pretty good this morning. I got a steak sandwich for lunch. And I was thinking, let's watch Kyle Larson go win this race at Atlanta. And 30-lasting pancakes a wall.

Glad I cleaned my bathtub yesterday. All right. As a real Carl Orson fans, I'm back in the Chip Canassie Days, the toastest. things played out. I'm just going to go jump off the bridge. Jesus. Christ. Jesus. One race. Man, what is up with your boy,

Mr. Hung Money? Ever since he ran his mouth about being better than Versteppen, he's been driving worse than Danica. What the fuck? Hung Money come from him stepping on his pecker. That's what the caller said. The call was about. Oh, man.

Do funny. Do funny. And TJ thinks he stepped on his pecker yesterday. You think he got out of line and got loose? You don't think nothing broke. No. Traction. Yeah. Traction.

For sure. I don't think anything. I mean, there's a lot of broke. Yeah. A lot of shit broke when they hit that wall. Yeah. I just. I mean,

Freddie, we all saw it. Yeah. It's just. And it's, it's, that's the same thing. It's almost essentially the same thing that happened at,

um, where in Michigan. You know, it's just, it gets in a weird arrow spot. I think it was behind the 12 there as well. You know, somebody crossed his wake and he just,

and what we've seen what these cars are, like once they snap. It's over. Like you're not saving it. I think it's a characteristic of some of the drivers, how on edge they can drive these things. And they are willing to risk it. There's a higher reward, but there's more risk with it. And that's just how they are.

It says it all the time about what it was like the most talented guys run out of talent. The driver's most talent. Run out of talent the most. Because they trust their ability so much. We talked about it on here before. Larson does it. Bell does it. You know, those are the guys that are on edge and one like one little thing changes.

You know, some guys, the reason why I saw other guys. don't do it is because they're not driving on that edge. And once you get that little different arrow spot or whatever it is, it's overquick. Kind of feel like I'm watching an episode of the real world here. You've got the hot new couple of Coleman Presley and Joey Legano and then the bitter ex-girlfriend with a fat double-chin T.J. Majors. Did you have a bad angle? I guess.

On the NBC. Way to screen is there. One up to hidey. Good job, TJ. I mean, you get a little fat, fat, I guess. TJ, let me tell you the secret. Grow beard. Big beard.

Yeah, big beard. Or you got to get your angles, right. You got to get your angles, right? You can't be shot from the bottom. See how Freddy's just nice and puffy right around. Yeah. What are you at that place? I'd stand below the fence.

So that camera angle didn't do you any favors because they were shooting straight up at your. You could borrow my turtleneck that you guys made fun of me. Yeah. That's what I needed. That'll be good in 88 degrees. You look good on the turtle neck. It's about how hot it was in here. Saturday was really hot.

I'm glad I didn't work Saturday's race because that was hot. It was pretty hot. It was very hot. Son of a. We got to start calling Kyle Larson the magician because he keeps disappearing for the end to every damn race. I love this guy, but he keeps stepping on his schmeckle. And I just cannot tolerate another year of a Penske car winning it at Phoenix at the end. So all the Mills for Blaney can go nuts.

Get it together, Larson. Miltz for Blaney. Do you guys make up like a campaign shirt of that? Like that's our new campaign slogan for the election issue. I don't know. I meant to tell you all, probably cut this out, but there was these two dudes staying behind the haulers. And Kyle walks by, I went into the garage Saturday after qualifying. And Kyle Larson's walking by.

And these two dudes are kind of bigger. So if they start hollering him, how money! I'm sure he was it. Oh, it's coming. So as soon as they said, he started turning a little bit, they just turned his head back straight and kept walking. It's going to get worse. Doing what he just did this weekend? 100% gets worse.

I witnessed it. I was like, oh, my gosh. He already loves our podcast anyway. This better not make him hate me. Could not have two more f***es one this weekend. I mean, if I was big enough, I'd punch off the face. No, he'll in the face. But I think I'm Joey's side.

I could punch him too. I wouldn't recommend punching any drivers in the face on pit road. If I was big enough, punch him in the face. That's funny. Who was that one dude? That was like Santa, look like Santa Claus.

Remember that guy? Who did he? He got after Denny? Oh, yeah. Deal with Chase. On pit road. Oh, pit road. Yeah.

That was right. That was not a good idea. It's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Not advisable to go after drivers. And I definitely wouldn't punch Austin Hill into face.

That's probably why Corey chose a push in. He's like, I could beat Chandler's ass. Can't beat Austin Hill's ass. Chandler can be mad of me. He's like, he might go, spider monkey on me, but Austin's a big boy. There.

Five laps to remove a sign off the track. What did they hire the local county guys from the DOT department? They got the greeters from the Walmart to come out there and get it up. Like buggies because it takes them for everything. That's what took so long.

I didn't really, I didn't realize it was that long, which it's going to be it's going to be three laps, right? It's standard. Yeah. Unless you go quickie. It should have been quickie because it's towards the end. Quickies are always going to go. I don't know if they were.

There's a lot of cars a lap down. No. I mean, two laps is better than 10. No. Yeah, I don't know why it took that long. I mean,

well, did you see how they got it down? I saw it. It was on track. Then they started tearing down ones. They weren't even coming down. They had a guy standing on the broom tractor truck pulling down, standing on top of it.

That's good, that's a good idea. OSHA approved. So, man, most popular driver. Chase Elliott. Oh, Chase Elliott, you dumb, Deppo, baby.

Just hit Roth in the ass going to three, like a pissed off porn star and wreck him. God, I need a Bush light. A little reference. I think he was, it doesn't like me as like a watermelon. I just think that it was a weird deal too,

because I looked, We were tight back there and it was kind of tight and rolling is what I told Bubba. And but it was like kind of an accordion like slow motion. Yeah, it wasn't like we shoved them through them. Like it was like Chase hit him then then bounced off and we hit Chase again and hit him again. And it knocked him into, into Ross and turned Ross. But yeah, that was just I don't think Chase anything wrong. It took a while for that wreck to be.

Yeah. Oh, I mean the, the. It started in a three and it happened out of four. We, we, I am assuming we got tight and kind of clipped the one and Ricky was up our ass and turned us. Surprise. But, well, I mean, he's supposed to be. Like, what, Ray's supposed to be pushing Ross. No, I'm just saying like, coming to the damn checker.

You can't, you can't stop, you know? So, uh, it just, uh, a bad, a bad deal. Man, I just watched BBC and I heard myself call Fred. I just want to apologize. I was drunk. Freddie. You're not fat. You're fluffy.

Like Brett. I can't tell you how many people. I saw you. I was sitting in the grandstands at Darlington. And I get this a lot. Um, which I don't know if they got bad eyesight or what. but people come up to me and they're like, man, you're not as fat as I thought you were.

And I'm like, thanks. I think. Like, what the fuck? Is that supposed to be a compliment? I thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not. Camera had 75 pounds.

Listen, guys like jelly roll and, you know, those kind of people. I don't think I'm as big as jelly roll. That's what I'm saying. They make it easy for us. They make it work. Yeah, Roseanne Barr. I mean, there's a bunch of jelly roll. You just can bear afraid of jelly roll.

I got to get some face tats. Well, he needs some tats. Geez. I listen to the episode where you guys talk to, or at least briefly mentioned, Alex Bowman may be shipping off to Spire Motorsports or at least losing his ride. And I just want to say that you guys are so full of shit,

so stupid because Jeff Gordon addressed this after the Chicago win. Said the rumors were bullshit to begin with. And here you guys are fuel in the fire after he comes back from consecutive seasons with injuries. He won the race at Chicago on disadvantaged tires holding off the best statistical road course racer in the next gen era, Tyler Reddick. Again, on disadvantaged equipment. But not only that, he's tied for the fourth most top tens in the Cup series right now.

He's top ten in average finish, and he's in the playoffs. Who out there is better than Alex Bowman? Who would they drop for Alex Bowman? You guys are stupid and you're just talking. They shut the fuck up, boy, fuck you. Jesus. Oh, there's multiple. I just want to say that Brett Griffin and Freddie Kraft are the two biggest idiots

in the media of NASCAR right now. I've had more successful than Freddie Kraft's career as a spotter. And how the hell they're going to come out here and say that they ain't got no drivers picked out for next year? That's why they ain't announcing them and all that. Damn, man. Y'all got that way wrong. But, Brett, I bet you guys feel like a bunch of

idiot for that Bowman rumor you put out last podcast because he just denied it. Like, we all knew it wasn't fucking through anyway. You bunch of buffoons. Hope you guys feel stupid. Fuck you guys feel stupid. You want to go first? You want me go first.

Let me go first. So, if I said something that was completely false about Alex Bowman, and first of all, I didn't say Alex was getting fired. I didn't say he was getting pulled out of the 48. I insinuated that he needs a good playoff run to retain his seat. If I had said something that people didn't like, Mike Davis would call me, Dale Jr. would have called me, Hendrick Motorsports would have called me, and Alex Bowman probably would have called me. Guess how many of those people call me? Zero.

So, fuck you three idiots. Freddie, has there been an announcement as to who's going to drive the or did I miss it? I have not seen one yet. Neither have I. So fuck you guys. Brett, let me... Fuck everybody that sent me a mean tweet.

Y'all go fuck yourself. Brad, let me ask you a question. And I don't know if you, and we can cut this if you don't want to answer it. How many drivers... I'll answer it. How many drivers are under contract

at Hendrick Motorsports for next year? More than four. That's where we're going. And guess what? Nobody's going to call me about that either and tell me that I'm full of shit. No. So go fuck yourself. And the,

the, the, the, what we said last week was he needed to have a good run. He had a good run yesterday. And I've seen a lot of misconceptions about that I hate Alex because of something happened with Bubba in 2019. Me and Alex are actually friends. I can pick up the phone right now and text Alex.

Maybe he's mad at me because this came out last week. But I have nothing against Alex. I hope he retains his ride. But he, the rumor that we did not start, by the way, it's been out there because Alex said it's been out there for a month, which was three weeks before our show last week is that he needed to have a playoff run to keep his seat. Or he might be in the seven car next year. Here's your other hint. He had to call Jeff Gordon and ask him. When's the last time you called Bubba and said, hey, man, am I still spotting for you next week?

It's been a while. People are dumb as f***. The, listen. Darfs, they're all out there. Yeah, I'm just going to get her here and literally make something up. I blocked my first one last week. I feel like I'm officially a part of congratulations. She texted me. She was like, I'm having a good moment. I was proud of you.

At the end of the day, listen, like I said, he's got to have a decent playoff run. And that's getting through one round, maybe two.

And if he does that, he deserves to keep his ride. I think right now he deserves to keep his ride. I don't really know, you know, why you would replace him, but it is what it is.

That's the rumor that's out there. We didn't create it. We just mentioned it. And to say, we started it is ridiculous, you're idiots. But it's out there. It's obviously been out there because Alex acknowledged in his press conference last week or the media day of playoff stuff that it's been out there and he had to call people and ask about it.

So we didn't start it. We just mentioned it. And that's our job because we actually have a podcast that we like people to listen to. And we appreciate all the free publicity from you folks last week. I think he got into a must win scenario over the summer. And I think he did what he had to do when he won. And then I think that took some. pressure off, but you still, you can't get eliminated round one if these rumblings are true.

Yeah. And obviously, to your point, he did what he's supposed to do yesterday. He needs two more good races. I think he needs to go deep into the second round here to be 100% okay. But we'll see, right? I mean, this is what part of sports is. I mean, that first caller that was fussing about us said that he was in an underprivileged ride or whatever he said. Dude, a Hendrik Motorsports car is everything but underprivileged. You're in the best of the best. And he didn't, he, I, he didn't hold off Tyler Redick. Tyler Redick crashed trying to catch him and he was going to catch him. He was, he did what he didn't do.

Like they made a great call. Blake made a great call. Stayed out there because that's the only way they were going to win the race. Not taking anything away from it, but don't say he held off the best guy because Tyler was going to run him down and I think pass him. Tyler's a nice guy, so he might not have moved him. But Tyler hit the wall and gave up his chance to chase him down. But I'm, I like Alex Bowman.

I like the people who work for Alex Bowman. I like the guy who spots for Alex Bowman. I have no ill will toward Alex Pullman. None whatsoever. I mean, he's a guy that's always made time for me when I ask him something, and vice versa. So I hope he has a good playoff front. Same. All these podcasts and y'all's podcast need to shut your mouth before NASCAR makes their decisions.

All y'all podcast get out there and want to influence NASCAR in their decisions, and it seems like it works very well. I heard every podcast out there speaking along the same lines, and something has to be done. Something has to be done. Something has to be done. Every one of you said it. All of you said it. Something has to be done.

Dale Jr., every one of you said it. Something has to be done. Y'all need to shut your f***ing mouths until the goddamn ruling comes out. Oh, your motherfuckett ain't doing nothing but influencing the motherfucking race result. It's full shit. Keep you f***ing mouth shuts about God's s' s' and quit trying to influence the goddamn results on the f*** out there. You're turning this sport into pro wrestling.

It's a fucking monkey. football, four now, you got your jack wagons. What was he upset about? I don't know. Did he ever say what he? Influents the decision.

So it was the Austin Dylan penalty. That's what he was upset about. Was that Richard? Oh, Richard called in. I'm on Richard's side about this one, ironically. That's your boss,

yeah. You're going to check and see if he's okay. It sounds like his blood pressure got up. I mean, it took me a minute, though, listening to that call. I was like, what is he pissed off about?

He never really said it, I mean, well, sorry, buddy. Sorry, you guy got knocked out to playoffs for wrecking everybody. Maybe it's because we're right. Maybe, maybe.

Maybe that's what it is. I wish they'd listen more. Oh, that was our last one. It was. I mean, that distracted me. I was processing that for a minute. All right.

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come into see consumer slelier.com for promotional details. All right. Welcome everybody. Doing it a little different this week. We are live for AskDBC. And you can send in your questions on X every week also using hashtag AskDBC and we will answer the best ones. Do you think live is a good idea?

Not with you. Who had this plan? No, I don't think we're the problem. I think our listeners are probably going to say something inappropriate. Did you just say you don't think you're the problem? I know I'm not the problem. Somebody clip that and recorded and save it forever. Self-awareness isn't really big on this.

Can they see us or they just hear us? I would imagine they can see us. I would imagine they could see you. Awesome. T.J. Look up. This is a bad idea. You can't,

they can't beep you out right now. Just see you now. Is there a three second delay, Jay? Well, no, we used to call or making fun of your double cheese. I just want to everybody else to see it. You got about 15 second delay.

Okay. So you can still beat those out. It's like we got a live studio audience, but they're just not in here. Yeah. Just don't say anything that you wouldn't say on the show. How many millions of people are in the chat, Jay?

We got a bunch of people in chat. A lot of people in chat. A lot of people are angry that we took so long to get on here. But we're on. We're on. And Alan wants to let's let you all know that, yeah, they can't see us. Thank you, Alan. Appreciate it. We're actually sorry that you can see us.

Yeah. Appreciate it. J.T. says, yeah, we can see in here, y'all. So there's a ton of people in the chat. Let's see. Liberty said, what will happen first? My Viagra pill will wear off or DVC will start on time. Well, what milligram is your Viagra pill?

And also, it's 11. A.m. Is it a five or a 25, a 50 or 100? Because those hundreds go from days, I hear. 11 a.m. on a Monday. So he works after it. He works night shifts. That's a good case of the Mondays. I told you all these questions are not going to be appropriate. His Mondays are hard. Yeah, real hard. Are we taking questions from the chat? Jay, what? I don't know. Yeah, we can start with taking questions. I had some of those typed up in the rundown that y'all can go through first. And then we can see what's posted in the chat. I'm just going to mark some questions that come through. So, Carson, if you want to tee up the first one, we can do that. Yeah. All right. Cody asks, how is Haley penalized for taking Redick below the line?

But Lugano was not penalized for taking Suarez below the line. So there was definitely a difference between the two of them. Haley threw a block and drove his car below the line to block Redick, I think it was. And that should have been a penalty. That's 100% cut and dry penalty. Live in the moment, I was like watching. I said, damn, I looked like the 99 just drove below the line back there. And-

position and improved his position, which is the rule. You know, you can't go below the line to improve your position. Going back and watching it on, I think it was the skew car, uh, Twitter handle that I saw the replay on finally. Joey doesn't throw as egregious of a block. He moves down, throws a block, but he still leaves three quarters of a car with to a half car with to the line. Daniel proceeds to go below the line and pass him and, and blend up. Um, somebody should have got a penalty here. Like, I don't know which one. Well, you can be on the fence about which one. You can be on the fence about which one. it should have been, but this is not something you can just go, oh, that's all right. Can I just say that Joy Lugano forced him below the line? That's a penalty. Daniel then chose to improve his position below the line. That's also a penalty. So I think it's all, I think it can only be one of the other, the way the rule. I think you either get a penalty for forcing the guy below there or he gets the penalty. I don't think you can give both. Daniel, had Daniel held his line, he would have caused a wreck. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is they're both moving from the,

top. Like they're both coming down a race track. It wasn't like Daniel's got to run on the bottom and Joe. No call is the wrong call. Yeah. Absolutely somebody, somebody need to be penalized there. I don't know who you can argue to the end of the day, which one. I don't think Joey's blocked. Joey didn't drive down below the line like Haley did, but he definitely moved to the left, block Daniel. Daniel goes below the line to pass him. There's got to be a penalty there somewhere, J.J. I mean, someone's going below the line. It's either, A, like you say, the guy that put him there or be the guy that just drove down there. So I do agree that someone probably should have to be.

You can't call it out of bounds and then they're not enforcing. Because they're out of bounds. Well, yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. I saw guys were out of bounds a couple months ago. I mean, LaTor called it out immediately on the broadcast. He's like, oh, that's something they got to look at, like right there. Like, and if you're looking at it, there's a, like.

And then Burton of media said, this is a no call. And I'm like, he's out of bounds. Somebody did something wrong there. I think this would be great for you. What? Keith asks, my wife and I are huge fans of the show and we will be attending Walkins Glen and would like to know where the best hangout spots are in the area.

Well, you got to go to the state park because it's absolutely beautiful. And then from there, go get a case of beer and go in the infield and you'll be fine. If you're a big hiker like Brett and I are. Oh. Is that why you're so much thinner when people see you in person when they think you are on TV?

You got to go see those waterfalls at the state park. And you have to go to the Seneca Lodge, have dinner there. If you go into the bar at the Seneca Lodge, there's so much damn tradition there from back in the Formula One days. James Hunt. You ever watched the movie Rush? James Huntington and boys were there. They'd have some parties back there in the day. So, Seneca Lodge for me is a place that must stop.

And then the state park like Britson. T.J. How much party do you do? Crazy. NCAA 25. Yeah, we get wild. It's just a beautiful area up there. I mean, it's, you know, it's actually one of the best from the main spotter stand.

The view we have up there is probably one of the best we have. I mean, you can see the lake off in the distance on a good day. That's nice and cool in the mornings. But Brett's right. The campground there is absolutely insane, especially if you get outside the racetrack towards the backstretch side. If you go out there a little ways, I don't, I think people bring a lot of furniture, but refuse to bring it home.

So they just burn it. So it usually gets pretty exciting. You remember the spotter that got, was hanging out with the campers down into the bus stop? Was it Mark Mark? Oh, yeah, Marks guy. He got fired. He had his shirt off.

He was on the bag of a pickup truck. Dr. drinking beer. Yeah. Who'd you can't do that? I was like 04 or somewhere in that area. If you see Chris Rice this weekend, ask him to tell you about mine and his Watkins Glen Adventure.

There's another. Dale Jr. needs to tell his story on the download about his Watkins Glenn Adventure with Ken Ken Trader and Bobby and all them. Somebody asked you do a hash, hashtag Asger Jr. this week. I don't know if he should tell any stories. Oh, yeah. He's retired. He don't even have a job right now.

All right. So we got some questions coming in from the chat. Andrew says that everybody in the Dirtymoe media office is watching this right now, terrified. Of course. What's happening? What else are they doing? So far, going off without a hitch. I am terrified. Stan wants to know how would you grade the progression of the

new Atlanta? Everyone was raving after February. Is it still improving in your eyes? I would much rather have old Atlanta back where the tires wore out and we, you know, conserved and had comers and goers. And I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't love it. I'll take this configuration with this pavement with unrestricted motors, because it's the best hand we're going to get dealt. I don't like restricting horsepower there. I agree. I do think something to separate the cars out more where you're not gridlocked like

they were. And really the top, what them, top four or five rows or three, four rows just controlled the rest the pack. And there needs to be more lifting than what there was or less driveability for the drivers, more handling conditions to fight, things like that. All right. Last question. I know before Brett, we've got to let you go. T-combe 17 asks, we're going to Bristol again next week. Any spots to hit before the race? State line. Great spot downtown Bristol. I would start there. You can drink in two different states. Isn't there a casino right there? There is a new casino.

Well, that's not new. It's about three years old. That's a cool spot. Hotel Bristol is a cool spot to stay. Have you got a bunch of money? Cudy Barbecue. Cudy Browns. Well, there's that in the barbecue place.

Ridgewood. Yeah. Ridgewood's a good. If you want old school barbecue, Ridgewood Barbecue is a good place to go. It is. Cootie Browns. You see a couple of them.

It's a good place to have a beer. You get the Cooties at Cootie Browns. Crowbar. What's it? Crow bar. Don't go there. It doesn't close. they play head banging music smoke they smoke in there yeah

Brett's a huge fan I'm in I guess I've listen I've ended up there many The sillings like this tall Yeah I'd be all right You need to have like a firefighter mass Is it like Jay's at the lake bad or way worse? Way worse no I'm not worse than Jay's at the lake

You can't see in there It's not worse It's a hazmat suit Jay's like salt All right since you have to go Well TJ's just got to do his pick first, yeah. You do your pig, I do my pick and then they do those later. Where we go on the glen?

Yeah. Who did I pick it? And the reason I'm leaving early is because my crown that I spent $1,800 on on Friday fell off my tooth yesterday after lunch. They knew better to give you a chicken wings. I don't feel like that would really... But it's maybe it's my temporary. But I leave and go out of town tomorrow to Illinois to go to see some farmers up there. And I really want my tooth fix before I leave because it hurts.

you know who you picking? I'm going to go with Redick. I'll take Byron. Good pick. I'll wait on Casey's pick. Yeah. Who's Casey got? Casey has got, she texted me her pick.

She's going with Almonddinger. Almondinger, good. I'll take SVG. Yeah, that's four studs. Yeah, that's good. Is Almondinger even racing? Ammoninger is racing. Okay.

Yeah, SVG is racing as well. But it'll be curious to see how quick he adapts. to that place because everybody else has been but they've not been with this new bus stop thing listen he's not going to suck no and he he managed tires a lot in that supercar series so if it comes down to a tire management race yeah i almost too much but anyway i'm out peace later bye see yeah yeah see yeah holla are we got more questions coming in the chat y'all you're good to stay live for a little while longer sure all right uh evans been better now the brettons pinning some stuff we had one from retro rich says do you agree with 2311's decision to be abrasive when other teams are

more submissive to NASCAR i know freddie you may not be able to touch on this good in the next nine races too much but tj uh what are your thoughts i mean i they obviously have their stance and and uh i mean without knowing the details it's kind of hard to to really kind of pick a side in it but to me if you have the other top organizations agreeing it's hard not to follow the Hendricks, the Gibbs and them guys. So, but I mean, you know, it's their call. All right. We got another one here from

David Lawson. What percentage of a team's outcome do you feel a spotter is responsible for? 110. I hate that Brett's missing for this one. No bias. Yeah, we need no bias. We need breath for that. It just, it depends on the track, mainly.

You know, obviously there's tracks that the spotters are relied more heavily, you know, on. And, But you want to be, you want to put the work in during the week to be a useful tour during the race and try to help that driver, you know, your driver come, you know, certain scenarios come up, you're prepared for them. You learn, you know, one thing about experience that we have is we know a lot of these guys driving traits. We kind of know booze they're going to make before they make them. And, you know, I believe you can help put your guy in a better position before that scenario comes up. So there's things like that that I think you can really help out.

and obviously the plate races. Yeah, I mean, obviously the plate races, which plate races aren't what the plate races used to be. But I mean, more so now, some of the restarts of the mile and a halfs are more intense than the plate racing is. I don't know what the percentage is, 10. I mean, it's obviously, you know, we talk about here all the time. It's, I can't tell you how much easier it is to spot for a fast race car versus a slow race car. There's just moving forward is easy. You know, you're clear, go get the next one versus, you know, another one coming, another one coming.

Here comes another one. So it's way easier to spot for fast race cars. So that the main percentage, even for drivers, really, it's, you know, end all be all is a fast race car. So it's way more aligned on the team than any of us. Even yesterday, the cars that handle good, that handle better, we're able to make moves that cars that more handling could make. You know, you had, you had guys like Blaney came from the back. Joey made it back because their cars drove well. And they can make moves.

They can be more aggressive than, you know, a lot of us were in the same area of the whole race there in the midpack. We kind of saw each other the whole race because if you're a lane moved a little bit or you got, you know, the other lane got jammed up. You could make some progress. But then you would end up being in that lane next. But then the cars that handle good kind of were able to make moves that we couldn't make and get through there. So I think that I think Blaney proved that. I think Joey proved that. Those guys were driving really well.

and they could be aggressive. All right, I got time for a few more. ZomboFi 2017 wants to know, do you think the Fords will be able to keep the power up and keep the push to the top four? Listen, the Fords have always had amazing speed at plate races. They've always been able to control the races at plate races. And they've had speed moving forward.

They showed up last year in the playoffs, and Blaney went on that run that nobody saw coming, really. So I'm not saying it's out of the question, but I still, Blaney would be the only one I would even consider for the final four moving forward. All right. We got another question here from Chris. He wants to know how much SMT data is communicated to you. Then you tell the driver during the race, are there some drivers that don't want the SMT data during the race or is it just depend on the guy? I think it depends on the driver as well and how the team operates. Sometimes you're giving, you know, plate races.

We're watching throttle traces. You're looking at fuel, you know, throttle traces, how much fuel they're using. You got other tracks, you know, where the driver wants to know, hey, you know, when they get strung out in long runs, where you're getting beat a little bit at. But, you know, guys like Brad have been doing it long enough. He knows what he wants to feel in the car and he doesn't, you know, always rely on that stuff. Sometimes you want to know where they're better. but other times, you know, if you got an experienced guy, he kind of knows what he needs to feel and you kind of go by the drivers feel. A lot of the younger guys, I'm sure, rely on more SMT data.

Yeah. You know, Bubba, there's times when Bubba wants it and times when he doesn't, obviously, if he's struggling and I tell him, you know, you've got to carry more speed on entry, and I continue to tell him he's got to carry more speed on entry. He's going to get frustrated because he's just going to snap back and say he can't, you know, obviously he wants to, but he can or, but, you know, it's interesting to listen to different teams because Danny, Like you can hear Danny and Gaypart talk about it. And Gayhart will basically tell them, you know, you got to drive in deeper. All right, a little bit more.

All right, a little bit more, a little less break. All right, now you're there. And then Danny can repeat that, you know. So some guys use it as a tool. Some guys use it to like, you know, just rely on information. But they definitely feed it to us. Like you said, yesterday was, you know, the guys behind us are saving fuel. The guys behind us are pushing, whatever that was.

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it definitely gets relayed to us. And some of the guys up on the roof are watching it in live time. I hate that because I don't want to take my eyes off. watch it. But the, you know, the information that gets relayed now is way more than it used to be because they have it all right there in lifetime. The car has got to be able to do it too. You know, just because you tell, you know, they tell Denny somebody's driving in the corner two car lengths deeper than him. Doesn't mean that his car is capable of doing that. So yeah.

All right. We got time for one more question. This one's from Matt. He wants to know which non-playoff drivers do you think can steal a win. He thinks Bush, Barry, or Bubba. Out of those three, Bubba. Kyle's been threatening here a little bit lately. Well, Kyle wasn't on that guy's list. I thought he said Kyle. He said Bush. Oh, but I thought it was Busher.

Sorry. Listen, Kyle's been up front. Yeah, like you said, Kyle's been in contention the last three weeks or so. Yeah, probably, I mean, Kyle would be the favorite right now. I know we're going to have really good speed. When we go to some of these mile and a halfs, Kansas, we obviously won a couple years ago. So I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, it'll be interesting.

and Kyle's, I'm picking myself because I'm a homeowner. I'm going to be like TJ today, but who you think? I think you got to pick. You got to go with Kyle Bush because he's been up near the front of last two, three races, had a lot more speed ever since Richmond that they've shown more speed as a whole. So I'd go with him. All right, Carson, go ahead and let you sign us off the live stream.

We appreciate everybody tuning in. I think we peaked at almost 700 viewers. So thanks in to everybody for getting in. We'll try to do this again next week. I'll hand it over to Carson. All right. That is all for AskDBC. Did it a little differently this week went live. Good times. Time for my personal favorite. What an idiot. What an idiot, man. All right. Back now to wrap up the show. We got just T.J. Freddie myself here.

Dropping like flies. I know. We've lost two people. But it's time now for What an Idiot. So fellas, I'll hand it over to you. Probably those through the left. Yeah, Brett, for leaving during a live stream, Carson for leaving right before the end of the show. I don't actually have a one to eat this week, TJ, believe it or not. I don't know how you can't just narrow, say it, the one guy. The one guy? Which one? In the cup race, I mean. Who? The guy that hasn't lifted yet. Oh, 14. I don't want to say it because, I mean, I'm just glad he's not hurt. I know.

I have a, what a genius this week. And I wish either one of them, Casey or Carson, Carson was there. My what a genius this week is Emily Boat, Emma Boat. I've never seen a bigger wedding celebration than what it was a week. And Carson was, I wish Carson was here for it. But I mean, like that deal there, every day was a different wedding it seemed like.

And they were partying their asses off. It looked like to me. So I was very jealous that I didn't think to have myself. And it's, her husband Samir, his background is they, I mean, it's a hell of a celebration.

There's a lot of different traditions. So it would seem like it was going on for a week, like I said. But, uh, Yeah, I was very jealous watching all their stories this week of the boat family at all these different celebrations. And they look like they were having a good time. And congratulations to Emma and her husband on their wedding this weekend.

And I was, I was just letting them know that I was very jealous of them. Must be something in the family. Because Casey has a birthday month. You know what I mean? Like she has like, what do they call it, baby moon? Baby moon. Yeah. Yeah.

She had all kinds of different stuff. Yeah. Like seven of those. I mean I kind of want to give it to chase but I kind of want to give it to most of the NFL referees Dude I didn't so luckily I didn't get to watch yesterday I was like seven minutes into the first game

And I want to turn it over the illegal procedure penalty I was over the The um Kyle Murray had slid to the ground and the defender like dove at him But dova and like actually tried to flip away from him And never even touched him and I still flagged him Oh, this is a Bill's reference, of course. Yes.

It made me so bad. The one that drove me crazy was watching the Ravens game Thursday night. Oh, yeah, that was bad. All right, 78, lined up in a wrong spot. 78 lined up in the wrong. I'm like, oh, my God. They do this every year with the damn. They do.

With a point of emphasis or whatever penalties. I was at the first game last year, which was the Chiefs and the Lions. And you could, at the stadium, you could see that stuff, lining up off sides and things like that. But I think, I don't know why with Instincts, replay the way you got it. Why can't you get every penalty right? I would rather the game take five, ten minutes longer and make sure all the right calls are made. Because you know what happens? Like that call gets made against the bills. It could be anybody. They go down and it was going to be

fourth down. Now they go down to score touchdown. That's game changing. I will. I lied. I have a one idiot. Uh-oh. Where did you stay this week? Uh-oh. You were you in Peachtree? No, Locust. So there's a there's a hotel that a lot of teams. stay at. Like four or five different teams are at. And on Saturday night, I would imagine fairly late in the evening, the fire alarm. I had heard about that. And I'm not going to mention what team this gentleman worked for because I'll get mad.

The people get mad at me because I bring them up. But so this guy pulled a fire alarm and this team today advertised that they're looking for a new interior specialist. So I would imagine it's the interior guy off of this car that pulled that fire alarm and lost him, cost himself a job being a, dumb. How would you do that? Why would why would you pull a fire alarm? I would assume there'd be alcohol involved and you think it's funny. Um, and it's not. So, uh, uh, the Lord. Yeah. I mean, I remember doing that in like middle school maybe or something like that. I remember the fire

alarm going off. But, uh, yeah, eventually you got to grow up. Uh, but so that'll be my wooden idiot for the week. Whoever that guy was that I don't know how you don't probably lost his job over being a dumb at the hotel on Saturday night. Hmm. Did we finish DBC picks? We did. Yeah. Yeah, we did DBC picks. The only thing that we could touch on is if y'all want to preview Watkins-Glynn, any? Yeah.

I mean, Watkins-Glan is going to be, it'll be interesting to see if this tire fall off is as much as they say it is. If it is, it's going to be a really good race, I think. Anytime we have a fall-off and bring strategy back into it, I'm okay with. What scares me about the fall-off is we've had tires that fell off and that would come back some. Like, didn't that? Was it Iowa? Yeah, it was like, they fall off and then they just level off. And then everybody's the same speak.

I like tires that fall off, but I want, you know, a guy that's hustling the car that uses more tire to continue to fall off and not level out. Like, it needs to fall off and not have an end. And it's still even like we always preach about the fall off on here. I went and did that Martinsville test with Bubba a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And there was a couple sets of tires that we tried out that had a lot of fall off. But. And you're out there.

with there was like six guys there and some guys are on different strategies in you. There's some, you know, we go out there and some guys into a 20 laps into a run already and we're on stickers. You would catch that guy and if he didn't let you go, it was still you know, he's falling off three quarters of a second on that set of tires

and you're falling off two tens because you're 10 laps into a run. It was still really difficult to pass. So fall off helps, but the cars still need to be better, I think also. So it'll be interesting to see how that is here because there's not a lot of passing zones at Watkins Glen. I think you're talking about, you know, into one, into the bus stop, you know, off the bus stop into the carousel,

maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Yes. Yeah, I mean. But that's about it, really. You know, you know, the last corner, you can dive bomb somebody. We can't see anything over there. So that's always gets exciting. But yeah, it's like Watkins Glen, like you guys talked about earlier, the campground there is amazing. I don't know how many people are there, but it's a fun weekend in general. Walkins Glen, I used to go there. I went there 10 years straight as a kid. Enjoyed it. It's fun to go back there You know I just like going back to that area

And I think The Xfini race is usually pretty exciting as well I actually have to work this weekend So do you Is Carson run or Zillich right? Yep Zillich is running this week Tell him there's a turn down there

At the end of the front stretch Let him remind him of that Yeah I'm a little worried about turn one Because if there's a place to get in trouble It's turn one He rarely does that ever You know Yeah I don't

Oh, gosh. Work hard on that this week. So looking forward to going there and keeping him, keeping him calm and hopefully have a shot at it. Yeah. I think he's got a good chance of anybody as good as he is on road courses. We've seen that already. You know,

it goes to the Kota and sat right on the pole right before he decided to blow that corner and come hang out with us and turn one in the spotter stand. But yeah, it'll be fun. Cup race, like you said, it'll be interesting to see the fall off. It'll be interesting to see how many guys. There's guys that need to chase points. how many guys are willing to give up points because what's going to happen is you're going to be in a position

where somebody's going to be leading. You're going to have guys like AJ, like SVG, that don't give a shit about points. They're going to, they're going to just short pit the stages if the falloff is not too bad. Short put the stages, keep the track position all day. And there's going to be guys that have to chase points all day that stay out and they're going to forfeit track position

and can they get back in position to get points in the second stage. So it'll be interesting to watch that, just the different strategies to playoff guys do. Hopefully, Danny decides to race this week. So his fans don't, don't get upset with him again. But he needs to have a good week. And a lot of these guys do that are right. You guys, you guys, it's what, one or two points to the cut line right now, I think.

Two points, I think. It'll be exciting moving forward. No room for air. Nope. We've seen a bunch of DBC fans again this week. I appreciate all you saying, hey, shouting all kind of stuff, shouting stuff at poor Kyle. But, yeah, it's good to see everybody. Thanks for listening.

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