Door Bumper Clear - 347 | Watkins Glen Produces Playoff Chaos and Connor Zilisch Joins

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

Watkins Glen provided plenty of excitement yesterday, shaking up the NASCAR Cup Series Playoffs’ picture. Brett Griffin, Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors, and Karsyn Elledge break down everything from The Glen and are joined by Connor Zilisch to recap the young driver's win in his Xfinity Series debut. Was Chris Buescher’s move on Shane Van Gisbergen during the final lap a clean pass? What’s happened to Denny Hamlin and can he bounce back at Bristol to avoid an early elimination? Did NASCAR do Ryan Blaney dirty by parking him after the Lap 1 wreck? 21+ and present in North Carolina. Opt in req. Wager requirements apply. Bonuses awarded as nonwithdrawable bonus bets or profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including bonus expiration. See terms and conditions at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. No good. Buy one. Don't ever drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's right. Like that just because T.J. planned it that way. Ball three, one of the eight outback.

Keep up in top here. You come and keep up. Bottle three. Model three, wax. It's hard to get locked. I mean, seriously. Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Door.

Bopper. Clear. Clear. Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spotted the sixth cup car this week. The race winning 88,

Xfinity car and Andy J. You don't get to claim it. You spotted one turn. I mean, Jesus Christ. Three for 50 laps, whatever. I don't know. You only spotted one turn.

Your guy was clear by 40 the rest of the race. After turn one. Yeah, after turn one was pretty good. Brett Griffin, I spotted T.J. Rec everybody yesterday. Yesterday? Oh, you saw that yesterday.

Yeah. Including my boss. I think he started with my boss. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Inside. She'd get rid of spotters. Freddie Crass, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Kyle Seek this weekend.

What, too soon? No, is it? Still here. Still coming back. Birthday week. Still here. Birthday week. Yeah.

You guys all have to get me a gift. TJ's going to pop out of a cake. Your gift can be not having an attitude today. So we were off to a. Sorry. It's not going to do it. We were going to give her a gift at like 1130, 30, right? 1130.

Yeah, 1130. We're going to give her a presence. Where I get to leave? No. Oh, yeah. You're leaving at 1120. So you're not going to get it. at your present.

Oh, you guys are funny. We have TJ jumping out of a birthday cake. Is that not a good night for you? As long as he has clothes on. We've been rehearsing this for a while. I mean, could you imagine him jumping out

with one of those European bikinis on? You have like the one like, like, like Borat? Yeah. Oh my God. I bet he has a hairy belly. Not really.

We're not going to find out. You got a hairy neck. Yeah, but I'm not like Tony. Okay. It's not bad. Oh, your hair's on a back. your head. Got it there.

That was very awkward. That took it such a turn. I've always given T.J. Hill about his hairy neck. Like, for how many years? All of them. Yeah, like 80? I don't know. Are you?

80. No. But that seems like that. Well, happy birthday week, Carson. Thanks. Big party. You're racing this week? Is there a race this week?

No, race in this week. What do you get for your birthday at your age? I'm curious. What do you ask for? I don't ask. I, you know, maybe for like my electricity bill to be paid or like my wife. You're three years after the last birthday. A gas card would be great.

I always say the last birthday you look forward to is 21. Yeah. Like after that, it's over. And like maybe my 30th might be fun. The fun, it's a slow decline. You don't look forward to 30. It's good. It's only getting worse.

I promise. And in the 40s, it doesn't even matter in the 40s anymore. Before we start, shout out to DBC Stafford, Dalton. He got married this weekend. Oh. Dald got married?

Yeah. Really? Misery loves company. Welcome to the family. Did you give the speech? Oh, I didn't give him a speech. speech. I didn't tell him that she's going to cut her hair and gain 15 months. So Brad tells Brett goes, once you get married, she's going to cut her hair and gain 20 pounds.

And I was like, yeah, whatever. Literally two weeks after I get married, Megan's batch of baking the biggest batch of cookies I've ever seen. She's like, I think I'm getting a haircut. I was like, what the what is going on? I'm like, is he serious? Jesus. Been there, done that. I'm never getting married, then. Just don't bake cookies. Just like your hair. I'm not. Becky Helmackie. I'm not about to be baking cookies.

I'll tell you that right now. Kelly didn't teach you that growing up. We weren't a cookie bacon house cold if you don't have you.

Anyways. Where the hell do we go this week? Do you guys have fun at Watkins Glen? Jongue to State Park? Yeah.

Yeah, I did a cold lot. I thought you guys were going to go hiking together. Brent didn't show up. I was there. I was waiting for

for him at the bottom of the hill. He just never made it. Yeah. Yeah. Hiking was amazing. Timmy feet actually showed me this badass house.

He told me how to get there. I'm not going to tell everybody I get there because this guy probably doesn't want people at their house. But the house, the waterfalls in the guy's backyard. Like it's like the guy goes out of, like walks out of his house and that. Wow.

It's not the main waterfall. They're not going to find it. Well, there's a lot of waterfalls there. But yeah, this house was badass. How did Timmy find this guy's house? I'm not really sure. Timmy, no Timmy. You can't expect a lot out of Timmy.

How'd your race go, T. from wrecking my boss, you a fool. If it could have happened, it happened. So it was just one of them races. You self-inflicted penalties, battle back from it, get caught up in other stuff.

Then then finally, when you feel like you finally catch a break, you just get kicked again. Did you talk to him after the race, fly home with him or anything, spend any time with him? I'm curious what the car landing on is B-post,

if that was like a home shi-h-h-h-h-moment. Honestly, he didn't really say anything about it. I mean, he was trying to back up and get out of it, you know, but it definitely had to be a weird, you know, time there to have a, kind of probably see a car right there,

but pretty... In your window? Yeah, I'm actually really glad that it didn't hook anything when he got up and it got over the fence a little bit and hooked because that had been, that had been much bigger. Had it caught a fence or something. something but you know I think uh luckily I mean I record it and we didn't get much damage from

that just so I mean nothing significant he was really close to going out of the ball oh man like yeah I've seen so the last time I've seen somebody leave the park at Watkins glen uh was probably in like a bush north race back in I don't remember if it was early 2000s maybe or the could have been the late 90s as well but somebody went off the in the inside of the track and in the inside of the track and top of the S's there. They had a wreck in the S's and somebody hit somebody and ramped up just like that kind of and went into the infield. So yeah, big wreck.

But yeah, it's fast. Very exciting race for me. Lots of drama. Lots of excitement. We basically ran last the whole race and then finished. You've never got out of my way. I mean, we passed you and you just, I mean, I thought something broke. You pulled over Bubba just was like, oh, the one time you had to one probably.

Yeah. Like, I think he had enough at that point. Like, we were on older tires. It's like it's just, but we like that was kind of our strategy all day. It was just kind of survive and be there when they all wrecked the end. I think we finished 16th or 17th. Like, whatever. Yeah.

Dunday. How was the race on television? Honestly, man, the broadcast was great. I thought it was one or one or one or one or water. Water. I thought it was one of the most beautifully done broadcast that I've ever seen. And listen,

Watkins Glen has some elevation changes, some rolling hills. The weather was great. But just the way they captured the area and the track. itself. Like, it was as pretty on TV as it's ever been. And I mean, between the strategies playing out and probably the 99 screwing the pooch, you know, when when the caution comes out as the leaders are approaching the pit zone and you don't know who's going to come or not come with two to go, like that was a pretty big moment. I felt like. His track house teammates. Yeah. They were like first and third. Oh, they were first and second. First and second. They were both

coming to pit road, I think. I would have thought so, you know. but it was a great race on TV, honestly. Like, I don't know what more you could ask for out of a road course race, to be honest with you. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, I mean, I love Watkins Glen. I think, like, Watkinson gives you a little bit of everything for road courses, like, speed, like, it's a fast road course. It's not, you know, you, uh, Hosevar ran the boot on Friday or Saturday, whatever it was.

Like, he decided he was going to do that by himself. You know, it's just, but it's just a, it's a, it's a fun place that kind of goes. by quick you feel like like it's just a fun place to go 15 last so you go yeah yeah I said to somebody when we got that caution with whatever it was like eight to go or something my text buddy of my we were going out last night I go well this is this caution is the difference of me getting to the bar at 930 or 10 30 oh yeah if there's a caution with 15 or so to go that's adding an hour to the race that gets going to do it yeah well pace laps are long there I've always said you know turn 1 in wakins glenn is probably the hardest corner in NASCAR before

this car was invented with this car I don't continue to live on that hill that's the hardest corner on all of NASCAR. But man, it restarts four and five wide down in there. People getting dumped. People getting spun. It was a, it was a melee. It was. Yeah.

And you dominated Saturday. That was all you, right? All the prep you did with Connor and everything you taught. I looked like Hersh. I looked like Hirsch just sitting there in that chair. Clear by 50. Yeah, that was, that was, um, yeah, I don't even counter ridiculous. Like, I don't think I've seen a guy.

at his age that if I were NASCAR, I would embrace more than I would embrace Conner's illich. I think that given the talent that he has and given where he's at in his life with his age and his demographic and how well-spoken he is, I think I would try to figure out a way to try to make this kid a global brand. I would have him in every single race I could all across the world because it's very obvious he is. He beat SVG on a road course. And we all ran and rave about, how great SVG is and how great AJ Almondinger is. He's never been in a race and he went out there and literally kicked their asses. Oh, the multiple times and then resorts too.

The biggest thing, when you watch Connor make a lap, just it was Arka, Exfinity, whatever it was this week, he's never out of shape ever. Like the car does not move. You know what I mean? Like he is just in complete control. It seems like, I mean, I don't know what's going on in the car with him. But it looks from the outside looking in, he, the car is not out of shape. It's never like he goes through the bus stop and Lambert spotted Chris Lambert that does Denny Hamelin on Sundays.

He spotted the bus stop for the arc race. And he said, I'm telling you, that kid ran through the bus stop and was never more than a foot off. Like you see people get in there and they get a little out of shit. He goes, he was the same spot every time. One foot off the curb every time like clockwork like couldn't be beat. And I mean, the race on Saturday, he's saving fuel and driving away. Yeah. So the hardest part about Connor is slowing.

him down. And we knew that going in that after watching Cota when he was real fast, like ridiculously fast again, but he kept overstepping and costing himself probably the race, honestly. And, you know, the biggest thing was just keeping him at an eight out of ten because he's, he can run ridiculously fast if he wants to. But there is an edge there that, you know, it only takes one wheel hop into one and you're backwards and you're not going to SVG and them guys are gone at that point. But to keep Connor running at an 8 out of 10 and then honestly making him run at about a 5 out of 10. And we had this problem. We kept slowing him down and he kept going faster. Like and I don't even like we ran like a 74, you know, 13 and he goes by

and I'm like, Connor. I want to hear you lift in front of me because Andrews's in the year like we got to go slower. We got to slow down because tying these guys running like mid 74 is and we're lifting at the flag stand. And you can hear it. Like I don't know. Like you could hear him lifting. And I'm like, we go by the next time. Like, 73, 80. And I'm like, good God. Like, you little, I thought he was like trying to make it up on the back side of the track. I'm like, he's sneaking back there.

And he's like, no, I'm lifting early back there too. I'm like, what is he doing? Like, he just kept going faster. I think in a sport, and I know Carson can relate to this in any motor sports, former motorsports, you compare yourself to other people. You're comparing yourself to your teammate, right? If you're, if you're Denny Hamlin, you're comparing yourself to Kyle Bush when they were teammates. If you're, you know, Bubba Wallace, you're comparing yourself to Tyler Reddick.

or your Elliott Sadler back in the day comparing yourself to Dale Jarrett. And then if you're really great, you start comparing yourself, Kevin Harvick to Jimmy Johnson. And I think that those comparisons can either motivate you or depress you. And like Bubba Wallace admitted over the winter when Ryan Blaney won a championship that it sent him into a downward spiral a little bit. Because he was sitting there comparing himself to a guy that he grew up racing against, that was a good friend of his. And because that guy found championship before he did, he was, it beat him up. if I'm 18 years old, I would sure as hell hate to have to compare myself to a Conner Zillich for the next 20 years.

24-hour race win. I mean, he does a little bit of everything. I mean, micros at Millbridge all the way to the Rolex. How good is he? I'm asking this not knowing. I'm asking this not knowing the answer. How good is he going to be on Obles when he starts out? I mean, he wins every damn arc racer is. Yeah. It's not. It's not, it's, he's beating one guy. but you're probably racing well one jGR car yes yes um yeah and he i think his biggest struggle i think short tracks he'll be fine because he's been doing that with the late model stuff yeah mile and a halfs is where he may struggle i don't think he's going to but that would be the biggest challenge for him because it's something that he hasn't really done a lot of because he just turned 18 so i think that's where the the biggest challenge is going to come in for him

but like we what we had him on here in the what is that was february march I said, you're not going to believe this kid when he comes in here. He's 17 years old at the time. And he, like, you could have, like, he's so mature. Like, when you talk to him, you don't realize you're talking to a kid. And that just, I don't think if there was a struggle point, that might be it. But I don't think there's going to be one. Is he running a mile and half this?

So that's why I was going to say we, we're going to find out at Kansas and Homestead. So Kansas is a hard mile and a half, not an easy one. Yeah. Yeah. Homestead is going to be. If he can be precise, you know, if he's that precise with the road. stuff he's going to have to do he's going to have to be that precise with the wall yeah you know it's going to be really fun to see how fast he gets up to speed at these ovals yeah i don't i don't think

he's going to the hardest part for him is going to be learning the air because that's the he has plenty of speed when he runs out arque car at the mile of a half i mean he has no problem having to speed but like freddy mentioned you're really he's only really race like one guy you know and you know now you're going to be in a pack of them where, man, there's going to be a car in the bottom of a car, in the middle and a car on a car on the high side, where do you go? And they're all right in front of you. You know, he's going to have to learn how to manipulate the air at times

and put himself in better spots. How quick is he in a full-time cup car? I think, man. 27? 2007? I think he, yeah, maybe. It might be 26. Yeah, I think it could be 20.

If he goes and has a release. Here's the reality. He can win at every road course he goes to just like SVG. There's six or seven of them. He can win any plate track he goes to, or Super Speedway. There's six of those. So at 18 years old,

I can sit here and say, I think he could contend to win 13 races next year in a cup car. Yeah. At 18 years old. So how long are you going to hold him here? It's, yeah. There's no reason. Like, if you would have put him in that race yesterday,

he would have been a contender. You know what I mean? And granted, it would have been, it's not, listen, the cup level is definitely, way harder than the rest. Way harder. But put him in a trackhouse car yesterday. The track house cars were flying.

I think he would have ran. He would have been a contender for sure. Yeah. Whether, you know, whether he can, I don't know, he's going to have to learn it some, but I don't think he's going to have much of an issue. What's your evaluation of him? I agree.

100% with everything. And especially, like, we've gotten to experience more of, like, his mature side, like how you're talking about with the, how he is outside of the race car, with cars tour stuff. And it's just always been really impressive to me. I would have never guessed his age when I initially met him. And like you said, I think he'll be a great ambassador for the sport.

And they need to have him everywhere that they can. I think that's kind of what's starting to happen with the energy drink stuff that he's got going on. Am I allowed to say what it actually is? They're all getting trouble. You can say. And no branding guys. But like the Red Bull stuff and Track House, I mean, I think he'll be all right. You don't see, especially at NASCAR, a lot of Red Bull drivers.

Athletes. Athletes, whatever they want to, you know, like, and he's just signed on to that. So it's a big deal for him. Somebody else who beat SVG on a road course this weekend is Chris Bisher. Busher, I mean, that was, that was an uncharacteristic mistake by SVG into the bus stop. I was on the phone with Mike Davis while this thing was going on live. And I was way ahead of Mike. on the TV.

That's no fun. Yeah. And I was like, hey, Mike, hold on a second. I want to watch this last restart, last lap. And I'm calling it and he's not seeing it. He's cussing me. And, yeah, when he hit that inside wall on the right side entering a bus stop, I was like, wow, I didn't see that coming.

And then Busher wasted no time to finish him off. Yeah. And then I'll give SVG mad props. He raised him extremely clean to the end. He, he, well, they, they, they, they, somebody, I saw audio somewhere where it was like, You're like, not, don't say you're going to wreck the guy, but they're like, you know what you got to do here. And he responded with, I'm going to do it the right way or I'm going to do it. You have to in a part-time right.

You can't, especially playoff rates. I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean? He raised him. Shane raised Chris very clean. I think two things here are in play. I think number one, Shane comes from a world where if he moves him to win, he's penalized and he doesn't get the win. And I think that he wants his win to be, quote, clean, a clean pass.

Would you deem Busser's pass clean? I don't know. That's up to you. But I think that's number one. Number two, I think he realizes I'm in this series part time this year. Next year, I'm full time. I don't want to come into this with this rep. And I think when he gets here next year and he's in the same spot,

if he were in the same spot next year with no wins, he moves him. But was there not contacting a turn one on the restart? I don't honestly. I don't remember turn one. Yeah. Shane knocked Chris. He sent Chris into the corner harder than he wanted to go, which puts Chris up.

That's how I got the lead. Good. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not, that's what she got. And he did it perfectly because. And listen, Shane raised like when Chris, Shane,

like when Chris, Shane, up the bus stop gets wide into five. And Chris, you know, buries it on the bottom. Shane, I mean,

he didn't cut him a break. He's trying to. He's trying to hang a right to pitch him down. And Chris just stays in there. Chris was there. I mean, Chris got there. Yeah.

And honestly, that was. But that was hard racing. No, that's how it should be. That's the way it's, even the bump into one. That was,

he cleared him by like a car length and a half. So he gave Chris a chance. Like he wasn't like, I'm wrecking you guys. Yeah, he didn't just ship him into one. He did it, I want to say respectfully.

Like, I thought it was a great race between both. I don't, the thing that was killing me at the end of that race is, which I don't, were you watching the front row? I'm assuming. Dude,

you really think of a host of, how many times of our leave early on them last two race starts? Like you know he's going to do it too. Like, though this, I think it was the second of last one. He went,

he went, he went. early that he had to stop and give it back. I mean, yeah, I don't. I was like, if he did, to his credit, he gave it back. But like, I'm like, that's, I was like, oh, that's a penalty. All the way he stopped. He's, he went so early, you had time to react to it in lifetime. But I mean, let me ask you this. If it's like, oh, so if you to go early, you can give it back and so race the guy another corner now. I'm supposed to. No. The rule is the leader goes first. And if the leader doesn't fire first, then how is it? Yeah. And he, I, I, I,

The 77 definitely fired first on the last two restarts. Yeah. One thousand percent. I mean, there's no, I mean, he was, he was a half of crawling in the front of Chris into turn one in the last restart. Yes. I mean, Chris just might must suck at restarts, I guess, right? Yeah, he's terrible.

He's just got, he's doing what it is. Oh, yeah. Hosewar was, what, third yesterday? Yeah. I don't worry. He finished third, I think. Four of his last five races or top tens, four of his last six, rather. eighth, 10th, 11th, two bad races

and then third. I'll tell you who ran... I'll tell you who ran good yesterday was Zane. Zane was top five for most of the race. Then he got a, I think he got a penalty somewhere in the middle of the race, went to the back and found his way back up there. He had a really good day yesterday. Spire cars.

They were both top five and I think Corey was seventh or eight or something like that. Corey had decent track business in there for a while too. Yeah. He knocked a couple guys out of the way to do. Yeah, he did. Was he to blame for the first big rate? I mean, he had. He's the one that initiated the contact.

So, I mean, it wasn't much, but it was at a bad spot. He kind of looked to me like he got left into the bus stop and kind of dropped the left front off maybe. Yeah. And then I know, I mean, Ty was up his ass too. So it wasn't like he could really check up at all. Yeah. But, yeah, that definitely. There wasn't much recovery room, basically.

At that point, when you miss, when you miss the left first left in the bus stop a little bit, that guy on your right, they're not. There's no room for air really right there. You can't, you don't have a half a car length or something. And he hit him, you know, maybe if he has Kyle at his door, he just uses Kyle up a little bit. And they both kind of slide through the rest corner and make it off. But when he clips Kyle in the left rear, that's going to spin him instantly like it did. So big wreck. Big wreck.

One thing I want to touch on two-foreway diving this thing is, man, we all saw that to a concussion, right? Yeah, that's scary. Scary, scary. When you fans are watching wrecks happen because it's easy to become somewhat immune to the danger. of wrecks. These race car drivers, and not just NASCAR drivers, all race car drivers, when they have these vicious wrecks, their brain is bouncing off their skull inside their helmets. So when I saw that to a thing, man, it initially brought me to, man, I've seen this guy

have two or three really bad concussions to where he looks disabled on the field. And there's a lot of safety enhancements of credits that we give in the sport. But it also took me to, man, as we're getting ready to watch all these wrecks happen over the weekend, which we did, it's like, man, these guys are, I couldn't have. imagine strapping into these cars these days knowing what they know the the first wreck that the wreck when lojoin and bush got together bubba was in the left lane so i forget i think i guess it had to be kyle we i was not spotting back there but we went left i see us come through the car doesn't look like it's got any damage and i'm like are we good and he's like no he hit what the

problem was he hit flush with the driver's side to the wall like just got under grass and that's you know, it's just kind of just driving a boy. It's a hard hit, man. Like, I could tell we, the car was fine, but I was like, we'd probably need a minute to get our shit together here. Like, you know, like, come down the road. And the car being fine may not be good for Bubba. Yeah.

But that may mean Bubba took the brunt of the crash. I saw the Larson wreck the week before, you know, in one and two there. That was a nasty, nasty wreck. I heard somewhere in the 40s on his Mountaine. 40s. Yeah. Yeah. Fighter pilots blackout at 11.

G's. Yeah. And you're hitting flush at 40 G's, which is why I bring it up is, you know, let's not become immune to the dangers that this sport and all motor sports have because these guys are crazy for what they do. And gals.

And I'm a, listen, I hate the dolphins because I'm a Bills fan. But, I, man, Tua is a class act guy. And he's been nothing but professional the whole time. So hopefully, hopefully he can recover well from this.

And I read an article last night that he doesn't have any plans to retire. So. And who are we to say? It's his. Boy. Yeah. I sit there and watch that and I was like, please don't play football again for your health because I know at 49,

we were joking about it on the show with Carson who's in our mid-lovely 20s. At 49, my body hates me. My collarbone, my elbow, my shoulder, like everything about my body hates me. And I'm not playing football at a professional level. And never have, never will, right? I can't imagine what he's going to have to go through. I think that's why I told you guys. I feel like I'm 40 because I've beat up out of my body racing all these years.

I said you've been through some hellacious incidents. We hung it up though. You did not hang it up. You're going to race again. Sima. Is it because Jimmy won't get the car running? Yeah. Until Jimbo gets me a motor.

I am. I do have it on up. We'll fix that. All right. We have a special guest in the studio today. This weekend's Xfinity race winner, Connor, Zillich. Connor, welcome. We spent the first half of the show blowing your head.

up. Oh, really? What did you say some good stuff? You were on the radio the whole day. I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't, I just, I don't know how you do it. Yeah, I don't know how you do it. All TJ said was green flag and then the next word was clear by 50. No.

Like, that's all he said. Normally you say slow down. Yeah. Normally you say clear a lottery race. I said slow down more because I've got, I've got Andrew in my other year. And I can tell Andrews getting nervous because when he's telling me like he's got to slow down more. And he kept like his tone kept getting higher and higher. higher and higher because you would come by and we're like oh man we're going on like a 74 60 this

lab we're going to say fuel you'd be like 7380 I'm like no you slow down more I'm like that's when it was to the point where I'm like I want to hear you lift in front of me and you would start run a long gear so it sounded like you were blowing up out of the last corner they said NASCAR NASCAR oh yeah was yeah was trying to tell them tell them I was blown up yeah they were getting ready to call you were blowing up you were blowing up the competition yeah you come by me and I'm like I want to hear you lift. And he lifted. So, I mean, so you take the green flag, initial green flag.

Then the checker. Go on to turn one. Didn't miss it. How much was in your head? Like, I can't blow this. I was the first. I was, I broke before tie. Yeah.

I may have released a little bit and used them. Lose them up a little bit. But I'd hit the brakes before he did. I want to back up a little bit more. Going into the weekend, are you thinking I'm going to win this race? Oh, hell no. No, no. I mean, especially after looking at the entry list.

I mean, all those. guys Willie B, Ty, Eric. I mean, Ross, he was in a DGM car, but... Who? Ross. I mean, all those guys. I mean, it's just not intimidating for me, but it was just, I was excited for it,

but I never thought I was going to win that. So what was a realistic goal? Realistic goal, I'd say top 10 and I'm satisfied, not happy, but top five, I would have been happy. But then after practice, I was saying after practice, I was like, all right, I got a chance to win this thing. So anything, but that would have been probably frustrating. Damn.

I don't know what it's like to be 18 years old and know that it would be that. This is pissing me off. Pissing me off too. I look up and I think you won the first stage by one, like 10 seconds. A couple guys had pit. Before they pit, you were still up, I don't know, six, seven seconds on everybody. And then talk about, obviously, Saturday was a big deal. Did you even break a sweat on Friday?

Like, I didn't even know. You were like, Jesse's sleeping in the school. spotter stand. His tweet was funny. It was cool. I mean, that race on Friday, especially after last year,

losing that one. He was an art. I mean, I kind of, if I didn't win that one, I would have been pissed. So, yeah,

it was good to get that one after last year getting, I laughed at the, during the broadcast, they're like, you know, you're coming to take the checker and on Friday.

And Trevor Bain said something about like, yeah, he's not even going to think about that last race. And I'm like, I bet you the first thing he mentions is I'm pissed off about last year. And as soon as you got to interview, it's, It's like, well, it sucked to finish second last year.

Yeah, that was a redemption for sure. How pumped up does this make you moving forward? Like, I know that you knew this was going to be hard. You made it look easy. What's your head? Where are you even at in that head of yours? Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing, I don't want to get too pumped up because at the end of the day, you know, I expect to be competitive on road courses.

And I'm going to have a comeback to reality moment when I show up to Kansas in two weeks. but I'm just excited. It's so cool, you know, how many people. What the hell is that noise? Is that yours? Oh, sorry. It was just cool. Like all the cup guys coming and, you know, saying congrats.

And, you know, I walked pit road before the race on Sunday. And, you know, everybody, you know, Joey came out to me. And a bunch of guys just, you know, congratulated me. And that was really cool. But, you know, it's not going to be all. every race ain't going to be like that. So it was cool to enjoy it, but definitely, definitely just going to, you know, get back into my rhythm and, you know, start preparing for these last three this year with, with JRM. Where do you have the most to learn for these mile and a halfs?

Honestly, like, homestead running the fence, I've never run the fence before. That's going to be a learning process. But probably air. I just haven't really, especially in ARCA. Like, ARCA air is big thing, but I haven't run in dirty air. Like I haven't been. We were talking about that. They start last for the next one. I know. I mean, it would be good for me to learn. But, like, I just think getting behind guys, you know, like qualifying, I'll probably qualify like outside the top 15.

And I've never, you know, been in that much dirty air before. So it's just going to be an eye-opening experience for me, I'm sure. And just want to run all the laps, though. These three races, I'm not racing for a championship. I don't have anything on the line. So just got to go out and enjoy it and run all the laps and learn as much as I can and just prepare myself for next year. So, spoiler alert for later in the show.

I have bad news. As great as you did this weekend, you're winning something else this week, and it's one idiot. You and two other guys, what went through your mind when you, I'm assuming you were just following. Monkey see, monkey, do? And then you hear the penalty and you're like, you think your race is over at that point? Oh, yeah.

I was like, oh, I'm, I just choked. I have the fastest race car and I just choked. But thankfully, we were able to get in our fuel window and bring it home. and it was honestly a blessing in disguise. But yeah, I was like, okay, if Ty and Sam, these guys have been doing this for three years, four years, whatever. I'm like, if they're going to do it, I'm sure they know something I don't.

I literally turned into the corner and I saw them go. I was like, maybe they know something I don't. So I was like, I'm just going to follow them, do what they do. Because I don't know. Let me back up for you just a second, tell you how this goes. When they do that, it can be that the tower has told the spotters,

take them straight through the bus stop because NASCAR has something they want to do. but if you break the rule all that happens is they call you in the truck after the race and cuss you out that's better than getting black line that's true yes i believe me i literally thought your race is over at that point i thought all three is we're done at that point i was like oh my god he's never going to live this down like this is worse than turn one yeah i know if that like if i got mired back and like ran 20th because of that like oh my you wouldn't you i wouldn't hear the end of it talk about i mean i don't know how you did it but

But not only did you save enough fuel to win the race, you had enough fuel to like run around, do 16 burnouts, like do another lab. Like how hard is that process? Especially I've spotted for drivers where you tell them to save fuel and it changes the way you drive and all of a sudden you're on a different wavelength. Like Chandler, was it Vegas that year? Like we tried to save fuel and we lost a race, you know, because of it. How hard is that to be out front trying to pace yourself and save fuel at the same time? Yeah, it was, I think it helped that we were so fast. it made a little bit easier because I was saving so much fuel.

Like I wish I had an onboard to show how much I was saving, like how much fuel I'll say. Because it was, I don't think people realize how much I was really saving. Like everyone's like, oh, he's still going faster than them. Like he's not even saving it at all. Like I was like literally I'd come off turn three, the S's on the back straight. And as soon as my hands got straight off the S's, I was out of the gas. I was just coasting. And I was usually my break marker into the bus stop was probably the five, six hundred.

I would I was going so slow like I was coasting I literally hit the brakes at the 200 or the 300 like I was coasting all the way down the back show I'd lift at the flag stand into one people thought I was blown up because I was pulling forth gear like it's 8000 RPM when the chips at 88 like I was just doing everything I could and uh you know I knew that I had six seconds out back and I had plenty of space and I was honestly content with them catching me and getting within three or four but I literally I didn't want to go like I couldn't go any slower like I was like I was like it's going to be painful to go when he swallowed this. Is that what surprised you the most?

Yeah, like what, like the speed? Yeah, no, just in the race in general. What surprised you the most in that start? Because it's all new to you.

Yeah. Honestly, like when I restarted 13th and, and especially coming from the back, like just how much speed we had. Like, it was crazy. Like I would pass someone and I'd run,

if I had clean track, I'd run three corners and I'd look in my mirror and like, I wouldn't even see it. Yeah, I was like, oh my goodness, like this crazy. And then like I was talking to Sheldon yesterday. Like I passed them into one, I think or somewhere. And like he was like, we went through the S's and you were like clear by 20. I was like, yeah, it was surprising to me.

That's probably what shocked me the most is just how the difference in speed like how good our car was. Yeah. I got a question about what you're wearing. You're obviously now a Red Bull athlete. How does that happen? Do you contact them? They contact you. And that is huge for your brand.

Yeah. it's really big and it's so cool like since i was a kid i mean everybody knows like red bull athletes are known for jumping out of planes and doing cool cool stuff but um yeah it's uh it's huge for me and it came together SVG obviously comes from you know new zealand and and you know racing v8 supercars and he's been a red bull athlete for a long time and then scott speed also he was a big part of it so he's awesome he's working with chevalet and and you know helping all the drivers um kind of just with Josh Wise and he's just another guy over there that we can lean on. So he's been a Red Bull athlete for over 15 years, I think, for a long time. Yeah. So he's been, he's been a part of that group for a

long time. And, you know, I've worked closely with him for the last three or four years. And I've known him for a long time. His dad owns a go-kart team. And, you know, I've kind of grew up around him. So I've known Scott for a long time. And yeah, it kind of just came together through Scott. everybody at trackhouse, you know, just kind of right place, right time. Fell into my lap. And yeah, it's cool. I mean, 18 years old Red Bull athlete and, you know, Red Bull is such an iconic brand. And it's just going to be cool to be a part of it.

And, you know, all the cool stuff that I'm going to get to do, go to the F1 races and just everything, all the events that they do. It's going to be really cool. My favorite Red Bull athlete is the snowboarder, the flying tomato. Hands out. Can you give me an autograph, you think? I could probably pull something off. I think what do I get in return? Whatever you all.

I think what the most of our listeners would like to know is how much have you tortured Jesse over the last 48 hours about just kicking his ass this week? Give me your first time. It's funny. Actually, we, we went to breakfast the next morning and I paid for his breakfast. I was like, I got you this time, bud. Jeez. But it was cool. I was, I was, you know, excited to, to, you know, be.

him in that one. And it was funny because he was, I was, when I was coming back through the field, I caught him in stage three. And he was like racing really hard with Sheldon, like blocking Sheldon down the back and everything. I got by Sheldon. And I got up to Jesse and Jesse just pointed me by. Jesse said Sheldon was flipping him off. I was like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, because like, it was crazy. Another thing that shocked me, I'd say, I don't want to guess wrong. I'd say 70% of the cars I caught pointing me by. Yeah. That's a big thing. And when you are spotting, like if, like we're in a road course and, you know,

if your guy's not, not like struggling, but if I'm spotting for a guy that's not a great road course racer and somebody goes to the back, like AJ for years or SVG, like, you're only going to hurt yourself trying to hold this guy back. Like, so just let him go and follow him for as long as you can. It's probably three corners. But like, follow him and see what you can learn. But yeah. So that makes life when they, when you're, and it's a.

It's awesome that you have that respect already, but just people recognize how fast you are, and it's not worth trying to hold you back because you're going to get there eventually. Yeah, that was really cool. And it was, I probably realistically passed five cars, like past. Yeah. Other than that, like SVG is funny. We were going on the back straightaway, and he pulled right. I thought he was going to block me.

And I kind of followed him. And then he lifted. And I like about pound, like I about ran him over. I was like, oh, so yeah, it was cool. All the guys that I was catching, you know, kind of pull. me by and you're going to return to favor one day i hope so i hope i hope i'm slow enough one day to return the favor because i felt bad i was like man i don't know i'm this new guy and that's also speaking speaking of speaking of being a rookie i feel like on the restarts because last year obviously

you know tie and sam but for me i feel like i was kind of worried that they were going to wreck me or not wreck me but move me or do something but at the same time when it's your first race i feel like for me, if I was, if I was racing against a rookie, like I wouldn't be the, I wouldn't want to be the one to start something. And I feel like that kind of played into my favor. Like I was, it was my first race and those guys, you know, if they have a past or they've raised against each other before, they don't really want, they don't really have like a reason not to. But for me, like nobody wanted to be the first one to disrespect me because you don't want to be the person who starts bad blood in the race. I thought you're in trouble. I think it was a second

the last restart i'm watching it on tv because my guys in the garage and a jay yanks had a line and i'm like oh that's a j you know what i mean that's the guy for a long time and like you just like oh he's going to send it in there but he did like you said yeah he played it cool i mean that and he was at my quarter and um he was in there um and it was it was funny because i that's one thing that i focused on like watching back races like the middle and and on restarts is really good so when i started shading and he kept following me kept following me i eventually got to point where I was like, all right, I'm going to let them have it and give them the bottom. And yeah, thankfully, he didn't, he didn't get into me too bad.

TJ was on social media. He may or may not know this complimenting your car control during the race. People were quoting what you were saying over the radio on Channel 2. They didn't quote when you were talking about it. They were just, I was getting ready to say that. Freddie was complimenting you in the first part of this show. Like, I want you to explain to fans because they hear car control. We talk car control.

What does it actually mean to a driver? Um, I, it's hard to put it into words. Um, but it's just being on the limit of the tire and not being over the tire. Like a lot of the guys that I'm behind, I feel like when I was catching them, you know, they're pushing in the wrong spots and not pushing in the, like, they're not getting the most out of it in the right spots. Like exit of the corner, they're driving off really straight and like not using the tire at all. Like it's hard to explain to someone who doesn't really understand it. But like on the exits of the corners, like I am never like just driving off straight. Like I'm always trying to create shape.

And that's one thing that I see other guys not doing is they're just not maximizing the grip that they have. And that equal speed like, you know, using the tire and using the grip that you have equal speed and the guys that kind of I was around and following and especially guys at the front. Just like even off the second to last corner, like I was just using way more track than them and like just carrying speed momentum. And, you know, other guys were kind of slowing it down and, you know, point and shoot. And, you know, it works at some places. But, you know, Watkins Glen's such a high speed, flowy track, just different. And just keeping the car underneath you. Like, I never, you know, was abusing the rumble strips because, you know, in archer practice,

I corded a tire actually, you know, out there in the rumble strips. So just keeping it underneath me. And, you know, long run speed, we had them killed. Like, Ty could stay with me, like, in the first stage for three or four laps. But after three or four laps, like, it was like, eight. tensile lap. How did those, we were talking about earlier, how did those recess rumble strips off of basically one and five? Did they have any effect really on the car? You lost a little bit of drive. Like you couldn't get, you couldn't quite put it down quite as good out there. But like

restarts and stuff like you were abusing it. Like it didn't really change the restarts. With winning comes on an entourage. Your whole entourage in here is saying you got to go. Oh, you got to get you back to the corporate office. We're throwing, we're throwing me out. You're taking me out already. Get out. You're getting called on the carpet. Nice to see. Well, thanks, guys.

You ring the bells, a big deal at J-R-R-A, man. What am I going to do? I don't know what I'm going to. Red Bull. Red Bull. Red Bull. Yeah. Water.

Yeah. Red Bull. I don't know. I'll have to figure it out. Well, we appreciate it. Come by. Congratulations. Well, I don't know what else you're going to do this year.

Try to know a little better in your next star. Yeah. I don't know what the thing took you so long to win, but. Let us know if you want to take a step in Miami with you. I actually took a little offense to this, not qualifying in the top 15 at Kansas. What the hell? I mean, I was just guessing. I'm going to be in dirty air more than I'll.

He thought he was qualifying. He didn't think he was going to run top 10 Saturday. No. All right. You heard it here first. Top 10. Put it on the pole of Kansas. Keep kicking ass, man.

We're pulling for you. Thank you. I appreciate you coming down. We're taking all the credit too. Everybody comes on here wins. It's all spotter, TJ. Yeah. Lift earlier.

Lift earlier. TJ said slow down the whole race. That's all. It's not very often you have to do that. All right. But we appreciate Connor joining us. We're going to take a break, and we will return with Spot On, Spot Off. You've heard us talk a lot about Fandul, America's number one sportsbook.

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Damn. Where do he come from? After being told by NASCAR to park his car after being involved in a lap one accident, Blaney said they don't even give us a chance, just ended our day before we even know what kind of damage we're dealing with. And now he is currently plus 29 to the cutline.

Spot on, spot off, ready. Yeah, I don't really know. Like, it's, he couldn't drive it back. The car wouldn't steer. Basically, like, I don't know what was broken in the front suspension, but they said like he couldn't steer the car. So you can't drive it back. They tow it.

I guess their rule is if they tell you back with damage, you're out of the race. I don't understand what the difference is between that and if you have four flat tires and they tell you back. Like don't you still have damage. Like I don't know why one's different than the other. I get like I don't know why they wouldn't tow him to his pit box. Like that's what they do with the flats.

Right. They tell you to pit box. You look at it and if it's, you go to the, you go to the garage your day's over. At the same time, the 47 was driving his car around. He broke, I don't even know, something in the left rear

suspension, like a lower control arm. Yeah. And easy fix, two bolts, you know, two hands, like take the bolts out, change the arm, put it back, but it's a part that you can't change on pit road. For whatever reason, they have a rule that, like, there's certain stuff you can change like the toe links. That was, so they're like,

we could fix this right now in probably 10 minutes and be done, but no, that. So he was out too similar deal. So I don't, I don't know. I don't love the fact that we did this, we do this with the crash damage, the DVP policy and all that stuff because we don't want cars out there running around with falling off of them like modifies back in a day where they look like, you know, no nose on them whatsoever. But something like this, if it can be fixed, which I don't even know at this point, it could be fixed or not, but you would want them to have a chance to fix it or at least get a chance to look at it. And that didn't seem like that was the case yesterday.

Why can't they just carry the clock to the garage? You know what I mean? Like, hey, you're going to have, you have obvious suspension damage. Instead of telling you to pit road and sitting there for seven minutes because they don't want to open pit road and put them guys in danger, which I get, you know, this tight pit road there anyway. You don't need to have a car sitting in a stall on jack stands or something with guys underneath it. Toad to the garage and put them on the clock there. I mean, hey, when this thing, as soon as this tow truck drops you, it's the clock starts. You could do it like a damn hot pit, like the work area for a.

sprint car race. You got to go to this area when you're going to work on your car. I mean, if they can fix it in the correct amount of time to get it where it can run a competitive speed, I mean, I think there maybe should be a way to work to that where we could, that's possible. I don't know if they could have fixed that car in seven minutes. I don't know. I'm not an engineer and I'm not going to pretend to be one here. What I will tell you is we said going into these first three races, these are three wild card racetracks where anything can happen. And the first race, it did. The second race it did and now we're off to Bristol where one mess up on a restart will easily tear up eight cars. Yeah. So I think this was a product of a wild card race. Anytime we have a crash

in any form of these double file restarts, there's going to be a lot of cars torn up. And that's exactly what happened. Somebody made a mistake and we had a lot of carnage and it got a lot of big, big names. It was at least three playoff guys. I know it was Denny Bell. I thought it got us. I mean, Blaine hit us. Yeah, you were right in the middle of it. Yeah, we were, we lifted and the hot tub machine come in there. I mean, it's the way things opened up right there, like, man, things happened so quick. And honestly, Kyle, when he started wrecking, he was to the right. And then when he quit wrecking, he was to the left.

And so, and the whole field's coming through there. There's no, and I know you know that you both know this. There's no more helpless feeling than when your car's on the other side of the racetrack. And you hear your other spotter go, right, right, and we can see the bus stop, just like you can see a car, like shoot through there. And when you see dust and stuff over there, you're like, oh, God. Like, you see the dust cloud and it's not good. I've never been so nervous as to be like on pit road during qualifying because you can't see the car.

Or to hear that spotter talking when you can't see your car because you're like, and then you're like, please tell him the right thing to do, you know, not that you're not that the guy is good or bad, but it's like you can't see what he's telling him. It's tough. Why guy was go right, right, go left. I'm like, oh, that's not going to. When we switch directions in mid-sentence, it's like, oh, God, oh, we're going to hit. Hold the break.

You okay? Are you okay? We're in it, guys. We're going to get it. Get it rolled if you can. I think he went, no, he started with light. He's like, go left, love, right, right, right. I'm like, oh, no.

Not good. But we made it. So good job, Brian. All right. After questionable strategy in Atlanta and desperate moves at Watkins Glen, Denny Hamlin is now six below the cutline. During his post-race interview, he mentioned the variety of tracks in this year's playoff as the reason. But Denny has no one to blame but himself for the hole he's in.

Spot on, spot off. Wow. There was intent there. Did you read that or is that you? I'll leave that up for everybody to decide. I heard it. I was taken aback by that. I mean, after what he said about spotters, you know, man.

You're right, Carson. I agree with you. I got a ride with y'all. spot on spot off go Denny's I mean he's right man I mean you go through these you kind of he last week's kind of biting him a little bit right now I mean I wish

if he could go back and do it again I bet he races his tail off in Atlanta like you just can't I know it he's looking at it analytically and he said 75 points gets you to the second round and if you look at it it probably will yeah I agree

And he had whatever he started with, I think 15 maybe playoff points. And he said, if I just get 20 each race, that gets me to 75 and I transfer. The problem is you forfeit racing last week. And now you get like he was expecting to go there, get stage points, run well, probably top 10, I would think, you know. And now now you're digging your way out of a hole. Like because you just, I mean, you can't forfeit a race in this format. Like, I get what you're trying to do, but now, like, it's all null and void if he transfers. But if he doesn't transfer, you're going to be regretting that Atlanta race to no end, I think.

Yeah. I don't know how the guy who made the mistake over the engine sleeps at night this week. How many playoff points did it cost him? I tend, I think, right. It changed the approach in my mind to how he went about Atlanta. and this is going to be one of the biggest letdowns in all of sports history for me as a fan if a guy of his talent level and his speed

with the team and resources that they have if they flop out of here on the first round. With Chris Gabe Hart and the guys that I know are on that team and how good that pit crew is, this is big news. I mean, is he in a must win, you think? No, he's only six hours. He's not a must win.

Bristle's one of his better tracks. If he goes... Brist is one of his better tracks. He's won the last two or three there. If he goes and runs top five at Bristol in both stages and finishes the race off in their hill transfer. He's only six out, right? But he got a wreck on lap one at Watkins Glen. I mean,

easily happen. Look at Joey Lugano last year. And Joey's just riding around. And I think Corey and Eric Jones got it to it. Chris Capehart is going to spend all week stressing about qualifying. And he's going to spend all week with an immense amount of priority on qualifying. They cannot go out and qualify worse than 15th. Because it puts you in a hard position to get the points for the stage.

And you're in the middle of the... You're in the middle of the... You're in the middle of the hornet's nest where the wrecks happen. And, man, I know Denny Hamlin loves pressure. I know he thrives on pressure. I think he's going to walk in here, cool, calm, collected, ready to go. But there's so many things out of your control. And he's going to have to go in here and control what he can.

But, man. To be honest, he's very lucky to only be six out. 100%. Because he was looking like he was going to... to be probably close to 15 out. Yeah. All race long. It's all hell breaks loose at the end.

So, yeah, but I mean. Well, that's what hurt us? I mean, we're, what are we 12 out or something like that now? That wreck, we were, we were the first car. When that wreck started, we were the first car of the four tires. And I feel like we were going to, we were going to probably get Mike Hey. Yeah. We were going to make some, I think we were going to finish top 10.

Yeah. And for the day that we had, that would have been an amazing accomplishment to finish top 10 from compared to the day we were having. But that right there, I mean, that we were probably, I mean, we're 12 out now. I feel like we would have had more than 12 points right there. So we would have been on the cut line or maybe in right now. But just like that, you're not. Who all are a must wins you think?

Well, Harrison. Harrison. Yeah. Who's? MTJ. I don't, I think he could, listen, we were, we don't have to must win at 14. Bubba went into Bristol last year, 21 or 19 out. And we made it on points.

Yeah. So I don't think, I mean, Harrison's must run. You remember how many points you scored that race? No. I think you need 50 points. I think you got like, no, we didn't have that many. I feel like we like being 12 out right now, we didn't like 50. We got the break of Joey wrecked.

So Joey was out. And then we made up, you know, we, but I mean, we finished 12th, maybe, something like that. Like we didn't have a phenomenal run. We just did enough to get in. Yeah. But, you know, like Denny's to Denny's point, like, you know, his threshold of 75 points, he needs 32 points this week. And that's, you know, if you go out there and win both ages, that's Swanee and you get, you know, you can't, it's easier path to get there.

But you've put yourself in a corner, you know, right out of the jump. No, yeah. I mean, we're right there. So there's a lot of controversy surrounding the late race restarts. Martin Truex Jr. making the comment. It's crazy how it comes down to this. How can these guys call themselves professionals when all they do is drive through you? even Conner's crew chief was beside himself and said it was embarrassing and no respect among any of the drivers

lacking professionalism. Brett, spot on, spot off. You know, you hate to hang this on the governing body, but I think that this is a result of the playoff format, the way these stages are set up and the way that points are so important to help you advance and help you in the standings. And there's millions of dollars on the line. There's trophies on the line. And unless things are ruled and deemed illegal, and at this point, I don't know where that line is at. And obviously, Austin Dillon didn't know where that line was at. He later found out that they thought he crossed it.

But until we know where the line is and it's enforced consistently, I think this is always going to live in NASCAR. And we live in a world where win at all costs. And I've said it on here a million times. And SVG was not in a position yesterday to have to win at all costs. but there's a lot of scenarios I could put in front of him where he could be, and I bet he changes his mind on high races. Yeah. I don't know.

The biggest thing for me, especially on the cup side, that why I think a lot of the times, especially road courses, short tracks for most part, sometimes even miles and a mile and a halfs, you can't hurt these cars. You know, back in the day, you wouldn't run into somebody because you were going to get a tire up. You were going to knock a fender in.

We were going to, we were talking about it. Yesterday with Juan, Juan was in our hauler getting ready. And Bubba and Blaney are like, Bubba and Reddick are like, this is a different animal than what you used to drive. Like if you just square a guy up, you can kind of hit him as hard as you want. You're not going to, you're not going to hurt your car. You can go 20 miles an hour faster than him and just nail it. Like you, you can, when you, when there is a wreck, don't try to steer around it,

kind of just square it up. And because when you try to move, you know, if you try to go right or left, you might tear a fender off or hit a wheel and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you can, you can, you can't hurt these cars. You don't have the back in a day where you had fender rubs and you can knock the nose on. So that's what's happening. I think on these restarts. These guys just go in a corner and just drive into each other because you can't have damage.

And then on Saturday, like that race, we, I was out. We had broke an axle or something and we were in the garage. But I sat in a car for an hour waiting for four laps. And the same guy won the race that was going to win it an hour ago. But you wrecked a shitload of cars in the process because you have these restings. starts and you know, I've died on this hill before on here. And I just like just end the fucking race. Green white,

no green white checkers. I think the lower you get in the series, the more that becomes the, I mean, they're younger. They're, they're, hungrier, I guess. They're not as experienced at doing things. And honestly, that car is probably more difficult to drive with the wheel hopping stuff when you get into the corner too deep.

Because I don't, it's been a long time since I've seen a guy wheel hop into one in a cup car. And I spent out. Like you used to see it multiple times a weekend, but you don't see that anymore. Now, man, these guys, like, from the third row back, somebody's going three and four wide. And you know that move. It's almost like the pit road move at Indy, the road course where you could pretty much go down there and force somebody to wreck on the outside. When you dive down there all the way to the grass, you're basically just trying to force everybody out. Somebody is going to get spun out.

And the cup guys aren't as bad at it. You know, they're a little bit better at it. But, man, next Finney race. He gets... I mean, the Cup guys aren't a whole lot better. I mean, they were running each other over the two restarts late in the S's. But, yeah, they just... But it's kill or be killed.

It's run over or get run over. Yes. So I don't know what... Like, I hear all y'all complaining about the integrity is in jeopardy. I don't know how you fix it with the rules. You have to fix the rule. And then you have to make the call. And then you have to enforce the call.

You have to be consistent with a call. Do we really want to go down that path? No. No, we don't. They're not going to go on that path. But then we're just going to keep a shit about it. I mean, the only thing you can do is just show these guys. Look, if you guys wreck, the race is over.

You're not going to gain any spots anyway. And the problem is, y'all say, okay, only do one green, white checker. Well, then that makes it even worse because you know, this is it. There is no more. Yes, but it also, I mean, it takes the guy that, you know, a lot of times when you have multiples, you just have that guy that's running 25th, and then he misses the two wrecks. and he's then he's top 10. It takes away a little bit of that.

And some of these guys are good enough. Well, they'll take somebody and they'll just knock them into it and be like, oh, look, you started it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if there's a good answer for it. The thing that drives me crazy and I know nobody wants to end their race under yellow. It sucks, whatever. But if you're watching that race on TV Saturday and there's three to go, now they have a big

wreck. Now what you're watching is them clean the racetrack up for 30 minutes. Then, okay, great. now we're going to roll off. Now we're going to go green again. Oh, good news. We got through three corners and then the whole field wrecked again. And the same guy that was going to win the race an hour ago, still won the race now.

Like, just end the race. So is this a, is this just a road course thing? No, it's everywhere. Nashville this year. Like, everywhere we go. We do this. Like, if any time. Nashville is really bad.

Yeah. Like you, like you just, listen, I know it's an unpopular opinion, but just end the race. My God. So my question here is like, we've moved to the. and not that this would change it for the other tracks. We've moved with the restart line before a corner. Does that help the Glenn? Because most of the wrecks happen at the Glen are into one.

Yeah. You know, and if you have them spread out more before they get to one, they're going to be spreaded even more by the time they get to the bus stop. I feel like the wrecks were happening into the S's more so than into one. They kind of start in one because guys get positioned each other. They get all jammed up. But then like when they funnel into the S's is where the wreck starts.

I will tell you as a true fan of racing, it is frustrating to watch. watch how far, quote, out of bounds these guys are going. Still? And they put them, they put their recess rumbles out there and it didn't really make a difference. You don't run, you don't, I mean, you don't run quite as wide. It's a joke. But you still run wide.

It's a joke. You're seven carwitz away from the curb. I thought the racing, I thought the racing was better because I did notice they stayed a little tighter than last year. And I thought the, the tighter, the outside guy has to hold the guy to the right. I think, I think it makes it better racing. I wonder if the drivers felt the noise and sound like you do when you're on interstate. I know.

When they went out there. Wakes you ride up. Yeah. Because that's what they were doing. They were out there. And I was like, I wonder if they're funny. Yeah.

What can they do, though, to fix it? You know what can you do? We said, put barriers, put tires, put those damn rental car things that you're scared of death of back over when you turn a rental car in them, spikes. You can't run wide at Chicago. You look at them and know you got to go over on the right way. And you're like, I'm a little nervous about going over these things. I mean.

Yeah. Split spikes out there. I just don't know. I don't know how you, I don't know how you fix it. Put old slick. Remember that game? You can hit that button, hit old slick. Carson has no idea what we're talking about.

His night or is like a night rider game. Night rider. Yeah. Kit. Yeah, Kit. She's like, what are we talking about? She has no idea. It's okay.

All our listeners are old like we are. So, hello, Michael. Hello, Michael. So listen how nostalgic that felt. Yeah. Michael. Yeah. All right.

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Hollis. That's Ford won four raises in a row? Is Fordhead boob? I guess it makes sense. Ford's got boobs, I guess. Apparently. Headlights are on. Not alone.

Well, boys, I got another drinking game for you. Oh, Jesus. Hey, you drink. Every time the good old Ziaslexe-Peyronius disease commercial comes on. Come on. There's a fucking NASCAR. Guys, what is that?

Nobody wants to see the bent carrot. All right? Nobody wants to see it. Brett's laughing right now. I can feel it. Go on. I didn't know this was a thing. And they keep showing this bent carrot thing advertising.

Is that the average? I don't know that there with that many bent carrots in the world. If you were a loved one who had been affected by a bent carrot. It's a curved pit road. Oh. That's how they're describing it now as a bent carrot. Peronis disease, right, is the name of it, I guess. Yeah.

I mean, TJ, you got a bent carrot. You know, look at that. There was this one guy on a football team. Oh, no. Lee Bracey. Just do we want to use his name? Yeah. I mean, damn,

Lee. Poor Lee got a curved pit road. I didn't know how to name for it, though. Bint Carrick. That's why that tire got away on us, because the pit road curve down at the end. It goes downhill towards turn one. It's terrible.

So they didn't show this commercial a lot. I feel like this should be on like a Call My Daddy podcast or whatever to. Call my daddy. Call my daddy. Well, I don't know what the name of the show is. This is a perfect spot for Better Help to come back and help you guys here. You have trouble?

Call Better Health. You guys need better help. You just need help in general. A lot of. So what is this? What do you take a pill and it makes it straight? I don't know. I don't think you know like hammer it.

I don't. I don't think you want to hammer it. I'm not, I'm not. I can't say for sure. But I don't think hammers and that would go well. I'm going to do some research. Don't let us know.

Don't let us know. Don't do any research on this. I wouldn't Google it if I was, I'm just going to say. I don't report your findings. Hey, Siri. Did I tell you? How many people have me at carrots?

I don't know if I've talked about it on here. Megan made a very big mistake recently. Maybe two months ago. She said, where are we going to dinner? I said, Milves. And she said, all right. And she looked it up on Google, Mills menu. Milfs minute.

I thought that offering was astonishing. She couldn't find the crabby fries on that menu. I don't think. She could find the crabs. Maybe not the fries. Crabs hold the fries. Extra crabs. Next.

Watkins Glenn does it again. Oh, what a finish. I was hoping that Chris Busher would drive it in deep, Austin Dylan style, but he actually got to him. And, oh, man, Chris Busher defended America right there from the invasion. God bless America. Score one for the NASCAR regulars.

Woo! God bless America. I agree. Our pre-race meeting, we told Juan to look out for Ricky. He said, we don't know what it is, but the driver's the driver.

He's going to wreck. I just wanted to let everybody know that Kings of wine rolls, not that soft and fluffy. Just ask Ryan Blaney. Hey, you guys remember last year

when Bradford Vosci was pooping with his helmet on in the porta potty? Well, I don't think he made it out of the seat after that one. He got Denny's beat. Go five.

Joe he looked. Gano is the biggest piece of I've ever seen in my life. How sorry is that to turn Brad like that? I mean, this guy sucks. The only person that sucks worse than him is the game cop kicker.

I mean, come on. Either him or the Sheldon Creed who always finishes second and never finishes. Give me a break, man. That was not me. Joey doesn't me? You sure that one? You definitely wrecked us.

I am so excited to watch Ryan Blaney go out there and we'll put everyone's butt here and go bowling. Wait, it's only the... Honey, draw up the bath. I'm going to get my toaster. Go, Blaney. We got toaster baths every week. So many toaster baths. He is kind of an all or nothing guy right now.

Yeah, and I mean, nothing of his doing this week. It's just... No. Who? Ryan? Blaney, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was just a wreck and it happens. Denny Hamlin and the 11 team already in postseason form. Normally, they save this type of performance for the round

of eight at least, but he's going to get out of this, get out of this my show. He's going to get out of the playoffs early so he can start focusing on what matters to him, playing pickleball. Yeah, I think that then he probably needs to ship his dog Lulu to

Field, Ohio. That thing seems to be bad luck. A lot of Lulu hate in the world today. All in, huh? We're going all in. All in the dumpster. and boom there goes Denny this

some bha the first one out the first round he's done bro his round is over this is the beginning of the decline of Denny Hamlin he's done I don't think he's gonna love this

easily fixed he just needs to he just needs to say I love spotters because his bad luck and downfall started when he threw Hayden's shade on you guys you guys

he's part time he doesn't count so a little sometimes that's true i don't know if he you know the bottom of the s is there definitely i need to spot her there like that that's a tough area to be in that like three wide through there three wide it's tight already but two wide a three wide and and i don't really what did you see happen there did denny close the door it looks like denny kind of squeezed it a little bit yeah i thought i think the five was probably and at that point man if you're if the five's a foot off the curb Denny's not expecting it. We were in the middle.

Yeah. I forgot you wrecked my balls. Yeah. Oh no, no, no, no. Thanks. I don't know how.

Listen, I don't know how in the hell Danny's car was running. Like he wrecked on lap one, obviously. They had a lot of damage. I think they did a good job fixing it. Yeah.

And then he bounced off every wall in the S's. And then he's still running and then he ends up. I think he finished like 22nd, 23rd, something like that. Yeah. I don't know how the hell he managed to pull that off. I think we finished 20. We finished 26.

So, We probably cost us at least 10, 12 points. So it would be right there. Hey, guys. I just got home from the Xfinity race this weekend, and I know this is probably going to make Freddie and Brett mad, but I just really want to give TJ his flowers. Him and his whole crew really helped Connor get the win today,

listening to TJ's radio, and he was helping coach him throughout the whole final run, and I just thought it was really impressive. So you guys did a great job. Clear by 90. All I'm saying is on leaving the glen. And here comes a sheriff with his lights, his sirens, everything.

And I'm thinking, who the hell is this? This has got to be someone important. No, it's P.J. Did you get a police escort out of the track? No, I don't know what you're talking about. You're lying. Did you for real? You're such a liar.

I don't, really, I don't. I actually knew what you're talking about. You're lying. No, I was going in the track. Oh. Like, I could. after the Xfinery race, I'm driving back in. I had to go to like gate 204 out around.

Oh, I tried to go pick somebody up in the bus stop. That's not happening. I was trying to go inside and I was staying anyway for a little while. I got to the tunnel. I had to go probably where you went to gate. I was in the front guy. I was in the main gate. Yeah, well, I went all the way around to some other gate through the campground and

then I get right to the gate and they wouldn't let anybody. But there's gaps. Like there's nobody coming for 30 seconds and I'm like, could I not just go in? and I sit there, I didn't say anything, just wait, and finally this cop comes up to me. And he's just talking to be, and he's like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, just trying to go in.

He's like, all right. And the other guy comes walking. He's like, hey, how's your day going? Hey, how's your day? I don't even spit on once by some woman. And I'm like, oh, gosh, he's having a bad day. That's a hell of a week. And so I'm just BSing with the cop a little bit.

A hot, the Hawk, too, girl. You need that's right? So the cop goes, well, I'm just patient. You know, we're joking around a little bit. And he's like, who you spot for? I'm like, oh, Brad. He's like, oh, you're going to need to find another job. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll spit on it.

And he goes, man, he's like, it's kind of sowing down. I've been there for like 15 minutes already. He's like, hey, I'm just going to throw my lights on. Just follow me in. Where are you going to deal a lot? I'm like, yeah, sure. So I'd follow him in. And then I saw him again Sunday.

So they wouldn't let you in the tunnel? No. Egress. You couldn't get inside. So, but he was nice enough after. I mean, it had been a while. I was slowing down. And the only, there was a random team van basically coming out every now.

then he's just like, I just follow me. I used to send him over the racetrack. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, there used to be better ways to get out. There still is because that's how I left. But leaving was easy. Easies could be as well. Someone needs to have a nice sit-down talk with Jeff Burton about what his problem is with

New Zealanders. Oh, there's no way SVG is going to get around Truex. The clean air too much. Oh, he got around him. Oh, he completely cleared out. Chris Busher, if Chris Busher gets back to SVG, he's He's got to completely use the bumper on him. They barely touched.

Jeff, you need to get your eyes checked and maybe you're talking to. We will not tolerate any Jeff Burton slander of this podcast. Yeah. It was hard to pass yesterday. Even with the falloff, I mean, there was a lot of fall off,

which credited to Goodyear at NASCAR. They had a lot of fall off. But at the same time, it only showed up. I think Busher was the only one that really made a lot of progress on fresher tires. So what I notice is going to the race as well, when I'm going over all the pre-race stuff Sunday,

I look at the sets of tires. The codes, you don't do the codes and everything? No, I was listening to how many sets we had laying what we had. And there wasn't a lot. It wasn't much. So it's like an Xfinity race. Yeah.

I mean, like to me, I felt like we needed to have a couple more sets to play with if you didn't have, you know, if you want the comers and goers like that, like there wasn't really any room for air. You kind of were all going to be on the same tires no matter what most of the time. I think it should give them less.

I think they should give them another more. If you're going to fall off. Three sets. Give them three sets and figure out when you want to use them. Blaney fans, you might want to make some room in that bathtub for us 11 fans. The human torpedo Cory LaJoy has decided to just throw us in the deep end of this hot tub. Cory LaJoy, that guy. He's the biggest, f***ing, hip, no good, mother, that don't even deserve a f*** ride.

That's why his punk ass is stacking pennies and not stacking dollars. $4 him, B'Joy, B'am, Gainbridge, B'Coree. I love you guys. Have a great fucking day. Corey LaJoy had his best rogbed horse race ever. He finished eight

and was still the worst fire car out there. What's she called? The worst spire car. Damn. I mean, that's cold. Well, we talk about comparing ourselves to others in the sport.

So I was in the garage yesterday and I was talking to Gluck. And then Ryan Flores, who's on stack of pennies with Corey walked up and then Bob walked up. And Bob's like, do you know it takes three pennies to make a penny? Like it costs basically three pennies to make a penny. He's like, so the penny is absolutely worthless. It's like, and Ryan's like, I guess we should change the name of our podcast.

And Corey goes, no, I feel that every week now. You should have given the general public that. I relate to that. I mean, it's out there. I promise you. What do you think they rename it to if they do, Real Man's podcast? That's what John would say. All right.

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X each week using hashtag AskDBC and we will answer the best ones. Ethan Loman asks, with all of the comments around entertainment versus racing in the past month, ratings and TV aside, what makes for a good race from a driver team perspective and has the green white checkered overtime aspect ran its course. Freddie. I was not listening at all. Okay. I appreciate the honesty.

What makes a good race for you? What is the good race? It's very easy to say what makes a good race for a team and driver. and unfortunately it comes down to the finish. Like you can have a great day. And if you don't finish, whether you blow a motor or whether you get in a wreck or whatever happens, happens, man, it's a long ride to the airplane when you don't finish. Was the Arca race a great race?

And it's, I didn't watch. No. I mean, there was only like a 30 second margin of victory. The, and it probably could have been. How many times have we seen like, obviously we always kind of. What was the second part of question? How many? It was kind of a loaded question.

The second half was, has the green white checkered overtime ran its course. Yes, absolutely. We touched on that. But the, like, we always go to like the gluck pole. You know, that's kind of our, you know, baseline. Trending 80% this week. How many times will, just based off the gluck pole, will the race be absolutely horrendous? And then we get a green white checker and some crazy finish.

And the gluck pole is all of a sudden. Off the chart. 70, 80%. You're like, that race. was awful, but it had a phenomenal finish. Like, thanks, you know, like, I feel like that's all that matters. The car tomorrow was literally saved by that grace. I mean, the late race caution saved that error because that was not a great car.

I'll never forget on the track. I was a-cobush won his first race, and he got out and said, this car sucks. I was a fan. That's what I was just watching at home. And the first race of that car, he got out. The guy that won the race got out said, this car is. I remember that. And I remember talking to Burton after the race about it.

I wasn't spotting for Jeff yet, but, you know, just talking about how the car drove, et cetera. But I listen, a green white checker has it run its course. Unfortunately for me, no. As a paying fan at a venue or as a paying fan at home. And you say, well, you don't pay at home. Yeah, you do. You're paying your cable bill.

Those advertisers are paying to have you watch. If I've invested four hours in a race and it takes 10 minutes to clean up the track to go by green, I don't give a if it takes 40 minutes. I don't give a shit. It's my choice to keep. watching or turn it off and go on the lake or go do whatever I want to do. I don't want to see the game end, even tonight's Monday night football game in halfway through the fourth quarter because of some reason.

I want to see the full game. But the thing is, it's not going to end halfway through the fourth. It's going to end when 15 minutes are up. So you want no overtime. I want no overtime. Well, no, I want the, if it's tied, you keep going, obviously. Well, that's unfortunately the way the green white checkered is viewed. I don't, I understand why people say it's run its course.

I mean, I saw yesterday, Jeff Gluck tweeted. He got killed. I'm starting to side with Freddie Kraft. The Green White Checker has run his course. I didn't look in the replies. I just saw the tweet. And I understand why he said that. I understand why Freddie has his stance. But for the paying fan, that is who we're catering to.

We're not catering to the team saving money by not crashing on the third Greenway Checker. We're catering to the fan. Yeah. I don't know. The problem is no matter, like, you're still not seeing like we didn't see we did it for literally an hour on Saturday. And you still didn't see a good finish.

You got one good corner on restart. Then we still wrecked half the field. Connor's gone by a hundred car lengths. Oh, the finish is great. Yeah. If Gluck sent out a poll right now, it says should green white checkers be eliminated? I feel like the only people that are going to vote yes.

Are you a gluck? It'd be 99% to one. I mean, it is what it is. Listen, I always say it's the most unpopular opinion in the world. but like we have to we have to save ourselves from ourselves at some point. All right.

Nathan asks with drivers picking their own song for driver intros at Bristol, what song would you choose if there were spotter introductions? That's too hard to do on the spot. It is hard to do that on the spot. I'm going to go on Michael Jackson something. No, I couldn't. It's either that or Justin Bieber.

Beat it. What's your favorite Michael Jackson song? My favorite Michael Jackson song is Manor Bear. That's my favorite song in the history of America. The history of If I were going to go with something new Or I would pick a Luke Combson. I like his stuff.

I would, I was probably, What's that song about the beer? Ice cold beer. Beer never broke my heart. Yeah. Look how it lit up when I said that. That's it.

Ice cold. Never broke my mouth. I would probably, I would probably some kind of Billy Joel song, I would imagine. TJ. That's hard to do. It's road to John Madden. football. Yeah. Something.

What's the college? What college are you? You use their fights on? Yeah, I mean, I use Michigan. So, way to go out on a limb. Yeah. It's real, um, real tough with them. If you're a Florida state fan, I bet you're not for this way. Are they all with three? Did they lose this one? Did they lose this week? They owe that coach $74 million. Oh. Oh. Oh. No. Not yet.

I think, I think the Florida coach is getting fired today though. Bay beer. Yeah. There you go. Jeez. So you don't have a walk-up song I was trying to buy you some time Yeah, not on the spot, I don't We've talked for seven minutes What takes longer for you to pick your song Or your DVC pick?

I don't know Since I've won the last two crowns in that You might want to take my stance on that Freddy's won three in a row I've won two championships, buddy So you can go ahead and turn your mic back off And sit over there and watch the cameras I think you won one

I don't think you on a while That's the most fight I've seen in a while Yeah, I've had my dinners bought twice not, well, we still have to do last year's just so you guys know. Tyler, I got a song for TJ. I got a song for you. Yeah, pick it for him. Your milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

That's more a you song. I think that's a good song for you. That's more of a you song. I mean, I think you actually want that song. That's what I think, but you try to throw it on me. We got to have something. Sure, I'll just take that one. Okay.

Okay. Milk shakes. All right. Clay asks, what are your thoughts on making drivers stay on the racing surface and quit using curbs and runoffs as part of the track. If you can't stay on the surface without slowing down, then you get a penalty. Would it make the racing more interesting? Good luck.

I don't want a discretionary penalty. No, been there, done that. I hate discretionary penalties across our sport in general. And I get why they got to exist, but I don't. That doesn't mean I got to like them. 100% the track should have limits. And you shouldn't be able to be seven car wits off the track. Yeah, this, you can't have, it's either you're over or,

you're not. And I don't, the only way to really do that to me is to have some sort of punishment. They've ruined turn four at Sonoma, which is essentially also ruined turn seven because of that big runoff that they give them for. Yeah, they're just letting the guys run over there. You don't have to stop to make the corner. You know, it's like you're merging onto the interstate. You just get your speed up even more. Why, why do we have to move everything further away? Like Freddie said earlier, the magic word. What's the magic word, Freddie? Where do we race? Where do we race at that gives you, if you have a penalty if you mess up? Chicago. Exactly. You know, there, there, how many times did we see guys brush the fence right there?

And I don't know if you can't just put a wall there at Watkins Glen in turn one. You can't move that wall closer, I don't think. Why not? Put a sand trap there. I don't know. Put a sand trap where if you get off on the left, you're going to hit some sand or something. I don't know. Like something has got to stop them from going over there.

And there needs to be some sort of otherwise they're just going to keep using it. And these Watkins Glenn used to think about it. Like Brett will remember and probably in Freddie's, first day it's by you go to the glen there was like you got off in the carousel it was like yeah and there's none of that right now so you lost 10 spots or you got stuck yes and conner sat here and said when he got off it wasn't a big deal yeah it just needs to be some sort of something i don't know and these little everyone these little things aren't doing it obviously all right we're going to take a break and return we'll see what idiots you fellows have encountered this week what an idiot all right carson had to

a little bit early back with the guys we got a couple segments left starting off with what an idiot tj let's start with you i think he called you an idiot i think i'm not sure how to take that i know i mean i had i had a clear one until you spoke up a little bit ago i think you i think that was him calling you an idiot yeah well i mean i could just reverse it and and oh like is this udo roguerge yes um i mean it's be pretty obvious me to be the guy that clipped us trying too hard, I guess, maybe or something. So, I don't get sure what an idiot. Yeah, I mean, sure.

The Coleman apologized to you. Does it just have made bread. I told you. Now, there's no apology from that. They're just, oh, we have stuff on our tires. Okay. Okay, I'm sorry. We were in the wrong.

My one idiot is very easy. It's the three guys that drove straight through the bus stop. I don't know who to give it to. Like, I heard Ty say something on the radio about his brakes weren't working, but since we went back green and they started working again. and then like who's the bigger idiot like the guy that does it or the two guys that follow the guy that does it

like I don't understand how any of them do it although it wasn't there there was a wreck there was a wreck no there was a car sitting there was talking about oil or something in a bus stop but you can't drive the yellow back here but you can't drive straight through oh you can yeah you can they did three of them do it you definitely can

but I just wish Connor would have enough brain to stop so I will tell you this in, we did go over this in our meeting. I said, Connor on Thursday or maybe Wednesday it was. I'm like, look, I don't care if it's practice, qualifying race. If you go straight in that bus stop, you come to a stop. I don't care what session it's in. You come to a stop because they're going to disallow your lap, penalize you.

Something's going to come from it no matter what. So the only time that it probably wouldn't is if the last lap of practice or whatever, they're just going to sell your lap to disallow. But I don't care. Otherwise, you come to a stop. And I know he just made a quick reaction thinking them guys already knew. Or maybe there was something in the bus stop and he was thinking, okay, I'm just avoiding that. So, but that does bring up, I mean, I got a question for you guys on this.

What is a viable excuse for going straight through the bus stop? What if there is a wreck like where the eight was sitting and you go straight? You know, if there's oil, say a guy blows up and you're come through there about eight or ten seconds later, Are you just supposed to dry it through the oil? You know what I mean? It was time and go. Yeah. I think they're not that I'm saying this situation was justifiable,

but I do think there could be, you know, if somebody does blow up going into the bus stop, does the whole field go straight at that point? Maybe this is a question you guys will or won't agree with. Should that little access road just be closed with barriers? So you can't do it. I don't think so because I think you need to have. Yeah, I don't think you should.

You don't want to. But again, the ability to go straight because they missed a corner. You made an error. There's no big repercussion. It's a stopping go. I think there's things like they do with the Formula One race is if you see even at the end of their long straightaways, like Monza, I think, has one. There's a chican, just like a tire barrier, whatever, the plastic things.

Absolutely. Didn't we do that at Indy? We did it. Well, it's the at the roval on the backstress chair. You know how you got to zigzag through it. We would fly through those one time. I mean, what if you miss it, you do that and it's slower than what it would be if you stay on the track. So you're not gaining anything at all.

So I don't know, like, but then you got guys that are probably just blow through the grass and say. I'll give my one idiot to me. I know that's a surprise. Oh, get out of here. Considering I'm an idiot daily, but I sent a tweet out on Friday making fun of a political farcest this out there. It was a joke. And a friend of mine in the media actually a few hours later pointed out that, that, that, he, along with some people, didn't see it as a joke.

So I didn't frame it up well. And hopefully anybody that's listening that it bothered, forgives me because I was not making fun of anything other than just the political farce has been out there. So I'm this week's. What an idiot. Tell me about it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hard arguing.

I knew when I said it that nobody was going to disagree. Nobody was going to disagree with you on that one. Yep. New champion of what idiot. Maybe right to dust your Hall of Fame black off or that. Yeah. I've given it. Y'all have given it to me many times.

I've given it to myself many times. So might as well keep the streak going. Might as well as keep it on. All right. DBC picks. Casey sent me her pick. She's going to go with Denny Hamlin this week at Bristol. She keeps burning me.

Martin Trex Jr. Oh, shit. Damn. He's in a must-ish win, right? Yeah. I honestly feel like it's time for Christopher Bell to reappear. You, I thought there's no way you're going to take him. I don't know who I'm going to take now.

I may want to do you next week for Bigamar Truex. A guy finished racing eight months. Hey, I'm just saying who's taking a long time here, Jay. There's any way you were picking Bell. That's okay. He still got probably 15 minutes for this one pick to make up for all the time you spent this year. Come on.

I will say, pretty fluent this year. I'll take back to back, Chris Busher. Did he go back to back last year at some point? Two years ago, right? No, last year he won like two races.

Three out of four or something like that, wouldn't it? Yeah, he won't three out of four. I think one of them was Bristol. God, it seems like that was a long time ago. No. Was that the year before you went to Bristol? Thursday.

Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. We are going to do your favorite series before the truck race. We are,

we are not doing. I'm actually doing ARCA apparently at Kansas. I don't know how I got signed up. It's all Labyrinth's fault. It's 100% Lamberts's fault. I think I have Isabella Robesto, her first mile to half race. Yeah, she ran Phoenix last year and was fast.

It was very talented. Yeah, a lot of speed. Weather looks pretty good. 80 and 60. 80 for the high, 60s for the low. I was going to say, it's 81 day and 60. Yeah. Weather looks good here all week.

It's going to be amazing. Yeah. If you're like, if you're a frog. Yeah, looking forward to Bristol. I have, who do I have? I have Annie J. Matt Mills in the truck. I feel like we've been off the trucks forever.

I know. It's weird. It's been three weeks. The thing that kills me is the playoffs. Like they don't align. The trucks have been in the playoffs for a month. Cubs have been two weeks and now. If it's a start,

they don't even start. I really wish they would align that. Like it would be so much easier to, I don't know if it's possible. I haven't even tried. to line it up, but I really wish it was lined up with each other. And then we got Xfinity

with Dale Jr. Is he racing? Oh, he running Bristol? Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Manage car? Mayo Missile. Mayo Missile. Yep, it's coming back. So you're spotting that one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. It's hopefully it doesn't catch fire this year.

So that'll be that'll be fun. I'll probably throw out a few lap time, see if I can get them pissed off. Over under, or uncoction laps in that Xfinity race. How many lapses is? Has the race 200 or 200, 300 probably? 300. 100, I'd say. I'd say 100.

I don't know, man. I feel like that race, I feel like that race could. Cut off race. I don't know. I'm feeling like it's going to be fairly clean. You think under? Yeah. I'll tell you one thing that, like somebody that maybe had a quiet year, but has,

I don't even know where he finished yet. He had a trouble. I think he bounced back and has just to finish. Not Chetbird. Sammy Smith. Yeah. was on that cut line. In the last three to four weeks,

he's run really, really well and got himself to where he's got a nice cushion on for the cut line. But he was like a jet. He was out, I think three weeks ago. And now he's up, I don't know,

30, 40 points, whatever it is. But he's like when it's, I know they made a crew chief swap. But before that he ran well. But he's really stepped up. You can't be in a J.

A. can be in a J. You can't be in a J. I mean, I mean, you can. But, yeah,

I mean, it's happening. I mean, but yeah, you should. I mean, I expect Algeyer to be real fast this week, if not. I mean, he might be the guy to beat at Bristol this week. There are five teams in the Xfinity series that can win. And I'm sorry if you're not on one of those five teams, and I realize that Cinderella stories can happen.

But J.R.M is a winning team. Hoss is a winning team. Colleg is a winning team. JGR is obviously a winning team and collig racing. You said colleague twice. RCR. Who's the RCR? I was thinking RCR

the first time I said college because they're on the same campus. Yeah. But those five teams win all the races. Yeah. Yeah. I don't,

I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. Ryan Seag should have won Atlanta. Like, oh,

he should have won. You think he regrets that? You think he regrets not? When he moved up off the bottom, I was like, what are you doing? And he loses that race. You don't make the playoff.

You don't win the race. Like, that's your chance. And the secret. have gotten a lot better. He should have won Texas. I saw where Cleggerman's out. Yeah.

Cleggerman's out. Yeah. There's a G. There's a G. I just saw that there's no end in his name. I was like, people can make fun of me. I'm not to go look at this guy's name.

There's no in and Clingerman. Yeah. I think he's out. I heard Nick Sanchez is the Ruberd replacement there. Yeah. Are we surprised that car had one with RCR affiliation? I mean, the thing about like,

Parker is he's always a contention of plate races. He runs really well on road courses. But yeah, I don't know that I would say it's a surprise he hasn't won. I would be surprised if they did win probably. I don't know. There's been a few races. No.

You don't like Sanchez. I don't man. I mean, I don't know. I think it's going to be hard. I think Parker knows how to piece together. You know, he knows how to run a smart race until that one time, until that one moment where he doesn't.

but most time he knows how to run a good race. And he knows where to be, I think the peaks will be higher with Nick, but I also think there will be more lows as well. I think, you know, Parker's probably a little more consistent across the board. But Nick has a lot of raw speed. And I think there's going to be a few tracks where that probably comes into play. So whether he can finish the deal off. And that's also, you know, Nick has also been one of the guys that can show a lot of speed,

but then just has that mistake and takes himself out of some things a lot. But I think it's... What trucks are you in now? The two. Yeah. Yeah. It's a swift move. I mean, yeah.

Yeah. Logical move. I think he drove that car before, didn't be? Like, I feel like he drove it like... He did. Last year or the year before somebody got fired or... I thought he was pretty... I thought he was pretty decently quick.

He rode well. Yeah. So, I don't know. This weekend will be interesting. Yeah. A lot of laps. A lot of speedy drive will be put down. a lot of debris will be picked up

and a lot of people are going to lose their minds. Last thing is, groove stays low until when this weekend? We don't know. You really don't know. You really don't know. We might have the same

show we had in April. I don't feel like, honestly, I don't feel like it's going to turn into that. I don't think so. We got a little, we got some practice and some experience with it now.

I don't think it's going to get that bad. Exactly same tire and cup, question mark. I don't, they test. They tire tests it. I don't know what they're bringing. I think it's, if it's not the.

exact is something really close but I think I do think you're going to have guys that have tire issues and what I hope is what happened last time is they you know we're not going to throw the caution for every single guy that self-inflicks a flat tire to themselves and even if they ride around a 30 mile an hour you're not going to do it because that's what happened last time you know you should you know even though you shouldn't you should get off the track safely um and utilize your spotter so Gibbs and briscoe are tied for the last spot by reading this right so they're tied for the last Denny's out. Why do I think that's wrong?

I thought Presto, I thought that was the last spot, but they're 11 to 12th on here. So Denny's out six. You're out 12. Yeah, we're 12. Martin's out 14. Do you think these, does anybody in the top 12 get knocked out? Somebody's got to. They don't have to.

Somebody's got to. Do you think Daddy gets in? Who gets in from the outside of the top 12? I mean, if you had told me those guys you just named, I were going to go out first round, I'd have said you're crazy. We on here, would say, I don't, did you pick true ex go out in the first round? Do you remember? I think I don't have. But other than that, I think now Harrison was the one we all kind of agreed on, but I don't

think either one of us, anybody else had a second guy that's going to be out. Like I mean, I think mine were Cedric, Suarez, and maybe Bowman. Like, you know, they're all in the top five. They're going to be easily through the next round. I think the only guy that we have would have in Harrison, you know. And but other than that, that just shows you, man, two, two bad races. And, You can, you're on, you know, you're on the edge, you're out. So it's crazy to a man. Like a William Byron, if he wrecks early in stage one, he's out. And you don't, like a lot of people don't realize about Bristol is you don't have to,

it's not you screw it up. Somebody screws up, goes, spins, hits the inside wall, shoots back across the racetrack, and it's a 12-car pile up and you're in it. You know what I mean? It's, it's- My favorite part about Spotner, as opposed to like a Pocono or Michigan is everything in the world is 14 seconds ahead of you. Like, there's at no point that you're not in a spot in a spot. spot where you're safe. You have to know what's going on out front at all times.

Absolutely. It's not like Pocono. If they wrecking the tunnel when you're in turn one, you don't care. Hey, you got 20. There's a wreck over there. There's a rag over there, man. Just take your time. Like, Bristol, you're like, it happens fast. Yeah, real fast. Yeah. We appreciate everybody. We'll see more DBC. I saw a bunch this week. See some more next week. I'm sure Bristol's always a popular t-shirts this weekend. T-shirts? I saw some DBC T-shirts walking around. I heard somebody scream you hug buddy in the garage. this week. That was probably all fortunate. Yeah. We didn't, and let it be known, we didn't make that up.

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