Door Bumper Clear - 352 | Joey Logano: From First Out to First In

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

TJ Majors and Freddie Kraft are back from Las Vegas to recap the opening race from the Round of 8 and are joined by Casey Boat and Executive Director of the CARS Tour, Kip Childress. Is Joey Logano now the Championship favorite after nifty fuel-saving landed him in victory lane and locked into Phoenix? Was Tyler Reddick’s move on Chase Elliott fair or foul? What happened to Kyle Larson and Denny Hamlin on pit road and did Ryan Blaney jeopardize a Championship 4 spot by helping his Team Penske teammate?21+ and present in North Carolina. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It was a massive weekend in Las Vegas. Freddie and Brett are a little worn out, and they're running low on energy after Vegas, but it was a successful weekend. They're a little poorer, so take it easy on them on this week's door bumper clear. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. No good.

Buy one. Don't over drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot, you think that's right. That's just because TJ planned it that way. Ball sleep on the eight outback. You come in time here. You come and keep up.

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Popper, clear, clear, clear. Hey, everybody, I'm TjMajors, I'm back. You're back? You made it a week off, I guess. Oh, yeah, kind of. You didn't take a week off. You voluntarily gave up your chair

so that we had extra, we didn't have too many people. Yeah, there was too many heads here. You kept, you went over that other place. I don't know what the hell is a weird. What's that weird? If I would have known, If I don't know how hyper

Was he on the chip last week? I see one. Oh my gosh. I feel like you took a bath and sun drop or something. What's up? Freddie Krasbott for Bubba Wallace. Kyle Sieg this weekend. Hi, Casey.

Hello, everyone. Welcome back from Vegas. Vegas. Glad you made it. This is the most tame I've ever been in Vegas. I never left my room. I'm quite like surprised. I had a long.

Did you lose a lot this weekend? Nope. I had a long week the week before and I needed a, I needed a detox. Unfortunately, We went to Vegas. I'm like, this is not going to work out well. Speaking of not feeling well, we got a call, I don't know, a little while ago that one of our hosts woke up this morning, not feeling great.

And unfortunately for this gentleman, he sent a text at the wrong time. And I just said, oh, Kip, Childers, are you at J.R.M, which I know you are sometimes Monday morning for the cars tour responsibilities. And I was like, Kip, please tell me you're at J.R.M. And you can come down the street and do the podcast. And here you are, buddy. Thanks for stepping in. Yeah, three years in a row. And I'm still asked to come on.

again. So not a bad deal. Yeah, I mean, it actually works out pretty well. We probably should align this up any better anyway. But obviously the completion of the car store season this weekend at North Wilkesboro. How was your, I know you finished out last year with them, but how was your first full season with the car store? Yeah, you know, it was, I think I'm still kind of absorbing how the whole year went. You know, we had a lot of great things that happened. I pulled the stat up the other day, 11 different winners in 17 races for late model stock cars. I don't remember that stat right off hand for the pros, but to see so many drivers have such good seasons,

to see a handful of drivers struggle. You know, it's really amazing how similar the cars tour is to every other level of racing that I've ever been a part of, and you guys are now seeing it as you're winding down your season. And so, you know, a great year having ZMAX on board and sound gear on board for their first season. We have great crowds everywhere we've been. You know, I think the crowd was optically a little down for North Wilkesboro. But at the same time, too, if you put that crowd in any of the short track we go to, I think it's a great crowd, right?

You know, not being there kind of, you know, on our own as a stand-alone, not in conjunction with the Cup series for all. Star Week and not a part of a revival, which had everybody in the state or probably the tri-state area that, you know, that came. So I think, you know, good crowds everywhere we went and, and some really, really competitive races, sometimes a little too competitive. Yeah, a record amount of black flags this year, probably. I have no idea what you're talking about. And listen, it came down to the wire. You know, you had two great points battles between, I think it was Spencer and Honeycutt on the pro side. And then obviously Butterbean and Connor Hall on the Laymalt stock side.

And listen, like you're talking about the two champions end up with Butterbean and Caden, Honeycutt. Caden's going full-time truck racing next year. I'm sure Butterbean, he made starts this year. I'm sure he's going to make more next year. This series is doing what it's supposed to and creating opportunities for these young guys. Well, it is. And that's, you know, kind of where we think we need to be.

We want to be that series that provides a good stepping stone to being able to advance your career, if that's what you want to do with. It. We also want to be that place where if you, maybe if you are just, you love late model racing and you want to call us home, man, we're that too. And we've even, when you look through the garage and you see the level of talent in on top of the pit box or even still behind the wheel of drivers who have made their way up the ladder and have now come back to us, we love being that too. So we feel like we've got a great home for all three of those. You know, one thing I want to talk to you about was, I think I've seen it, maybe you touched on it with Derek Pernissigley when he did his show, you know, obviously coming from the CUP series or even the Canaan series, maybe more so the Cain and Cup series, but you're dealing with adults there. And now you get to this level, especially in the pro side. I feel like there's some really young kids. Now you're dealing with young kids, maybe young kids parents at times. Like how do you balance that? Yeah. And that's, you know, we do. We want to be the next step, you know, as drivers make their way up into. a full-bodied race car. We're okay with being that next run. We want to help, you know, mature those kids. So, you know, there is that challenge.

And the one thing that, especially as young as some of them are, and the pros as young as 12 and late-mile stock cars as young as 14, you know, we want to make sure that, you know, the parents are engaged to a degree. So, you know, like if we have a driver that we feel like we need to talk to to, to talk about, you know, maybe things that they should be doing differently on the racetrack or maybe things they want to steer clear of. You know, we invite that parent to come in and hear that as well.

But the next thing we do is encourage them to let us have the conversation with the driver. I think it does a number of things that makes sure that, you know, because of age differences, you know, we don't want to put ourselves in a box where someone might step out of a meeting and say something went on that didn't. So there's a little bit of, you know, making sure that all of our interest are covered. even in some of those conversations, we'll have an extra official, Keely or Carson or someone like that, that'll sit in with us. But, you know, that's just that's part of, you know, having drivers that are of that age.

You know, I had the ability to work at the high school level as a public address announcer when I'm not at the racetrack. And so I get to see a lot of that when, you know, dealing with kids and coaches and things of that nature as well. Before we jump into the show, I just have one more thing to bring up. For some reason, I know you've been on three years in a row now. You look older this year for summer. You think it's maybe because now you're a grandfather? Is that a problem?

It didn't make me, the racing has made me older. It's those kids. It's not the grandchildren. I was going to say, I would think traveling 30 years is the year. And so, yeah, so my oldest daughter had our first granddaughter, now coming up on, I believe, it's six weeks. You know, Maggie Moon has been a great addition to our family. It's, uh, everyone told me, man, when, when a grandbaby comes along, it is the greatest thing. And in the first six weeks, I have to 100% agree. Um, you know, they, they, they've come to our house. We, you know, we go down to visit them. We, we try to eat together out to eat somewhere, kind of in the middle of where we live. And, and, uh, and, and, and even this afternoon, um, because of appointments that my daughter and her husband have, um, you know, Maggie's going to come to the house and will be there when I get home this afternoon. And, um, and, uh, and, and, and, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and So that is a, it's a ton of fun.

It's, I tell you, the other part of that, too, is not just, you know, the interactions with Maggie. It's seeing my daughter and how she's interacting and seeing, you know, how Josh or husband, how he's interacting and us being the older, wiser grandparents. Now we can offer up advice. And, you know, and that's what as parents and grandparents, that's what you do. And Sarah and Josh have been really good about being receptive to our comments. And somebody to bring up just seeing them, you know, obviously your schedule took a big change this year. You know, like from doing what we do, 38, 40 weekends a year on the road to now, you're on the road, but it's a lot of one day shows and it's close to home or, you know, it seems like it's a lot easier. It's got to be better for your family-wise.

Well, for sure. I mean, we were in Wake County when I got the call that she was going to the hospital. So, you know, I was able to finish getting our trailer and some of our equipment set up. And then I made my way back to Winston-Salem and got to the hospital at 5.30 in the afternoon. and Maggie decided to come at 3.49, I believe, the next morning. So, wow. And then went back to Wake County. So, I mean, yeah, if I hadn't, if I, if I wasn't doing what I'm doing now, I'd have been in Daytona with you guys.

So, you know, extremely thankful, you know, it's awful, it's awful funny sometimes how, you know, God puts you in the right place. And we really feel like that all of these things have lined up to, to make that possible. Awesome. Casey, let's take us to Vegas. I don't know. Well, it's, I'm pretty tired. I can't imagine T. I actually, it's finished.

It actually, so I don't know if that was the earliest we started out there or what, but like, it was, it was nice to be home. I got home at like 12, 30, 1 o'clock maybe. It threw me off the how early we had to get the track on Sunday. And I'm like, oh, what time I'm going to race? One or two. And I'm like, 11.30. Oh, okay. We got, we got to go there.

We got to go the track. Yeah, we have, we have meetings usually a couple hours before. And I was like, thinking about like, our meetings at 9. Our meetings at 9. tomorrow morning. That's kind of one of the reasons why I went to better so early on Saturday night, I think. But yeah, racing, not ideal. I've seen you come and flying across racetrack towards us at one point.

Yeah. It's not a good mood. Yeah, we had a little incident on the front stretch, which most, I don't know, I have not seen many camera angles that actually show us. I mean, you can see one where we're sliding up the racetrack, but what a wreck. That was one of them wrecks where you're like, I'm sure we'll get into how it started. But, you know, it was one of them wrecks where you see it happening. and then you're like, all right, just, like, we were right behind them guys.

And it was like, stay top, stay top. I'm like, well, watch this six. There he comes. It wasn't an ideal. I was actually, that's a bad feeling sliding back across the track when the whole field. I mean, we were run. That was for like fourth or fifth right there. So you got 30 something cars that are going to be flying through there.

And I feel like, I feel like a lot of them were still at speed. So it was not, uh, not ideal. Not ideal. What do you guys think of, you know, Lugano was a. essentially out of the playoffs last week until Bowman's DQ, now officially in the championship four. He does it every year. I shouldn't say he does it every other year. I apologize.

He doesn't literally every other year. He's been in it or whatever. Even year Lugano. It's crazy. I didn't realize they put this stat on the show sheet here that his three wins this year. He's not led more than 10 laps than any of them. Nine, nine and six. He only had like six top fives for the same.

Wow. I mean, we'll get into that later later. You're also in the spot on, spot off six. But, you know, this this this this this this what this team does and they find ways to do it and good for them uh like you said last week as far as the roval when the roval ended he was out and bowman was in and then we were sitting to big owls and i'll start getting text messages about tech rumors and i'm like i can't imagine

they're going to make that call and then about an hour later they flip flopped the whole playoff system and now you got the guy that was we saw it with sammy smith last round he was last in points and won and that's where joey was going to be for you right on the cut line i think afterwards but you know goes out and wins a big race. And like we talked about, this is maybe the third most important race of the year. And they got two weeks now

to just prepare. And he's historically won this race and won the championship. So do you think now he's the favorite? I mean, it's hard to say no. I say no. I don't think he can be,

he doesn't have the speed to be the favorite. Well, can he ruin it? Yes, he can ruin it for those guys that have been led all the laps all the year. I still think if Bell gets there, Bell's got to be the favorite.

But listen, they've got two weeks. now two full weeks to actually three full weeks to prepare just for Phoenix they don't care where they run at homestead they don't i mean i'm sure they're going to say that you know they want to run well and they're they don't want to go out yeah go into the play out championship race on a bad note but they can literally they don't have to spend a lap simming homestead they don't have to spend a lap simming martinsville they can focus everything they've got on phoenix and the last time they did that they won the champion joey's going to have two quiet weeks basically and i've

Joey's got a whole quiet season. I mean, but what I'm saying is you're not going to see, he's probably not going to go and lead 100 laps in each of these next two races. He's going to go and he's going to be quietly probably right around the top 10ish. And he's not going to have any run-ins with anybody because he's smarter than that. He knows now these next two weeks that if he gets into it with somebody, it's going to. Yeah. You know who really is going to have a whole lot less stress level for the next two weeks is Paul Wolf.

Yeah. And the crew, right? So that's, you know, I get it, Joey's out there on the race drive. But man, you know, this got to be a huge level of relief for Paul and guys. The keeping on the outside now, kind of outside, I say, but you're still obviously heavily involved in a sport. You know, the playoff format, we're going to, you're going to hear a lot of complaining about this week because there's a guy that hasn't been the fastest guy all year long, now wins a fuel mileage race, gets into the championship four. What's your opinion of the playoff format, you know, just from now kind of being on the outside of it looking as a fan? Well, certainly changes.

how you approach, you know, this time of the season, right? I mean, so, you know, Denny is is one of those who has studied the analytics as is trying to play the numbers. It almost bit him. But at the same time, too, he's been able to, you know, kind of quietly make his way to the round of eight. You know, Joy, I think the same way, you know, trying to just be relevant at the right times. you know, it is, it was very interesting. And, you know, being in the official shoes in the garage, you know, and going back a week at the Roval, I can only imagine, you know, those inspectors, you know, Brad Moran, Elton Sawyer, those folks. And when they got that call that, man, we've got a problem with the 48, that is, we had something similar happened at North Wilkesboro this weekend where I got a text message, you know, in the middle of the monitor.

modified race that, you know, we were having a problem with one of our cars in inspection. So, you know, I've been right there when, you know, you don't want that, right? You don't want that to be the storyline. You know, I, going back to, I know that those folks in that officiating crew, I know they handled it the right way. Did it change the outcome of, you know, who made it the final eight? It absolutely did. And it benefited Joey. And then, you know, Joey, thanks to.

some good pick calls by Paul. Now he's locked in. So it's just it's, it's just the, it's, it's how that, I don't know, how that, how it's set up now to, to be able to advance. And so, you know, it's just all of us that were able to grow up pre-playoff, you know, style of racing, it is different. But, you know, there is that it, it does what they want it to do. It brings that level of excitement.

At the end of the day, I would always prefer what just happened. in the car store. You know, as a traditionalist NASCAR guy, the car store ran a season-long battle, and it comes down to 10 points between two guys in the last race. You know, that's, I think that's for me, more exciting than, you know, knowing that's a season-long championship. But for the television viewer, that you can't beat that quote-unquote game seven moment at Phoenix when there's four guys going heads up. And hey, I'll tell you, I've been asked time and again, hey, are we going to adopt some sort of a playoff format. And my answer to that is playoff starting race number one. When you have a season as short as hours. And I know that the smart tour, they have a playoff system that they go by.

Kind of. Right. And it was in the news a lot last week, too. But, but, you know, I like the way that we're set up in the terms of we have a short enough season that it is game on from race one. And you can't afford to have a bad weekend. Yeah. Everybody wants to say that, you know, Joey, shouldn't be in this round, but he's got three wins this year now. Like, that's tied for second. All the right time. It's also not like he made Bowman's car get to QD either, right? So I feel like it just happens to be Lagano if it was like a Chase Elliott or something

like that. Do you think people would be thinking otherwise? I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how many laps you lead. It doesn't matter any of that stuff. What matters is the wins. And that's a prime example. on when at the right time and you can advance. I mean, another example of that happened on Saturday.

You know, AJ really hasn't been, I don't think, the fastest of the Xfinity cars this year. I thought he's been a top five, top seven guy all year long, obviously, and he comes out and that race is the fastest guy there, it seemed like, and maybe second of us. Ryan C was pretty quick at the end of that thing. And I thought that might get a little hairy. But AJ comes out and does what he needs to do and now locks himself into the same time. So, you know, obviously he was a little more, he was up front, a little more, a little more show to a little more speed than what Joey did on Sunday.

But, you know, both of them, shout out to, I hate to give him credit, but shout out to Coleman Presley. Somehow, some locks himself into both final fours in the, in the first week of the last round. So shout out to him. But, yeah, I mean, what a good race on Saturday, as always. Saturday's race was really good to watch, too. It was, uh, entertaining.

Those, um, those cars being sideways through the corners and them guys. I think C had a faster car, but. I think he kind of got maybe outsmarted by AJ just a little bit. AJ kind of waited for the move that he was going to make and he kind of knew it. And it wasn't timed right to where he needed to make the move where he could clear him. Yeah. Or, you know, sometimes, and we've seen this a lot and all forms of motorsports, if you're not accustomed to being in that position, if you're racing, you know, this is,

Ryan doesn't have a win. You know, sometimes you think that's your only shot. You know, he gets underneath him off a four and he's going down in a one or two. And it almost looked to me like Ryan. and thought, if I don't get him here, I'm never going to get him and kind of sailed her off in there, got free. Where I think if he could have just tried to maintain next to AJ or keep a nose underneath them down the backstretch, puts himself in a much better position for three and four. But sometimes it's hard to convince somebody that's never been in that situation that, you know, this is not my only shot.

I've got six, seven, whatever lapsed to where else to go to do this. But, you know, it's hard to, if you've never been there before, it's hard to think that way. When you can see that carrot, man, it's being dangled right out in front of you for sure. And Ryan's been in that position before, too. So he is chomping at the bit to get that win. Yeah, I think, you know, he saw the carrot, like you said, and just went for it there. If he runs high, he needed to, like, AJ doesn't want to run up right there. AJ was running the bottom all the way until he caught him.

And to me, and Ryan was actually making some really good runs at him, getting running higher than him. So to me, he needed to keep doing that because I feel like AJ kind of baited him into that move a little early. Experience. Yeah. And he had a similar instance. at Texas where he gave up, you know, made a couple of mistakes around the last lap and, you know, lost by what, like four inches or something at Texas? Like, you're super close.

But, you know, those guys have had speed at these mile and a half stuff and exciting race. So looking at some of the drivers who had challenges this past weekend and the next two races is really being unknowns. You know, Larson obviously redeemed himself with the top. I think he got 11th. we'll talk about Reddick's rec later in Chase Elliott's, but looking at Homestead in Martinsville now, what do drivers such as a Blaney or Reddick?

Well, I mean, you see now, I think Denny's the first one out at minus 27. You know, them guys first, I don't know what happened. There was a restart there in, I don't know, mid part of the race where it looked like Larson just kind of drove in. I don't know if there's a little bit of stack up in front, Larson kind of just drove into Danny.

Yeah, I guess a nose damage. And it gave himself nose damage, gave damage to Danny. and then they both had just awful days on pit road for whatever reason yesterday. So now you find yourself, Larson's still to the good. He had a big enough cushion coming in. But now Danny, like we said, one bad race will put you in. And then the wrong guy wins.

You know, and now you're instead of being, I think if Joey was, I think Joey was going to end up about fourth in points. I think he'd be the cut line. And Danny would have been like 15, 16 out. Now he's 27 out because of Joey winning. So, I mean, one, you know, a couple dominoes fall the wrong way. And now, I mean, you're not a must-win situation yet.

Danny's obviously really good at Homestead. Blaney was really fast at Homestead last year. And I think that's where he got run over by Larson coming to pit road. Or almost got run over by Larson coming to pit road. So them guys aren't out of it yet. And they're not, I don't want, there's 47 points is a lot to make up. You know, there's big gaps there. But it's not completely out of the question yet.

Some guys could have bad days as well. But you definitely, that's it now. You've used up any mulligans you've had. And you better be on your A game from this point forward. We come back from the break. Let's shift gears to spot on. spot off. Hey NFL fans, you can start to season off with a big return on Fandul, America's number one

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Spot on, spot off. spot off spot on spot on it was super fun yesterday to ride around I am spot off damn where did he come from first topic

Tyler Reddick and Chase Elliott were involved in a wreck shortly after a restart that ruined both of their days afterwards Reddick said I just had to make a split second decision you have to be aggressive on the restart and Chase said

at that point in the race it was a big gamble for him to bank on me recognizing he had a big run spot on spot off kit well throw me right in there train of fire yeah you know that that portion of the race you know i guess i would go spot off right it was uh it wasn't early in a race to have something like that happen and listening to you know after seeing it on tv and then and listening to you know some of the comments that were were after the race i i think the one that that really really really stood out to me was when Chase during his interview, he was, he said he was able to recognize the run that Tyler had and that he was going to go and make it three wide. But his comment that,

you know, probably Martin didn't see that. And, you know, everyone that was watching it, you know, first-hand on TV notices Martin go up and kind of clean them both out. There's a lot that goes on. And you guys know better than any that, you know, being up on the roof and being able to recognize when that's happening to let your driver know. It's key, but it's also a split second. And so, yeah, just a, you know, you don't want to ever say cooler head should have prevailed. I don't think there was anything hot about that. I just think it was just bad timing and a real unfortunate part of the racetrack that happened.

Yeah, for sure. And TJ knows as well as I do. Turn four usually is the hard spot for just about any racetrack we go to. It's just they're driving straight at us off the corner. And it's getting y'all's way to it. We all talked about that during COVID. when we were relocating the spotter stand a lot of places. So the fence line would give you guys as much of a problem as anything.

Yeah, for sure. And this is just one of them things. I mean, I almost agree with both of them. Like for Tyler's point, listen, that's Tyler Redick. That's always been Tyler Redick. Tyler Redick's never going to change. He's going to take every opportunity he can to move forward. And you have to.

It's hard to pass with this car. We've talked about how hard it is to pass. And if you can get two or three guys on a restart and one shot, that saves you 15 laps of trying to pass them on that run or burning your tires up. Yeah. You know, so, you know, I don't think it was an overly aggressive move on Tyler's part. He was putting faith in two other guys. And unfortunately, one of them did appear not to know that there were going to be three, you know, two of them out there.

So it's just an unfortunate deal. But I don't really, I saw Chase were saying he was trying to, you know, once he recognized it, he's trying to bail out of there. But there's nowhere to go. You know, if you bail completely, somebody's going to run you over from behind. Right. So it's just a really. unfortunate racing deal, but I don't think I don't, I'm spot off for saying Tyler was overaggressive and I can't fall Tyler for making that move at all.

Easy. Sorry, Jay. I'm, I'm spot off because to me, one of the guys didn't get the message in time, you know, and you can't, that's a move that people make to make up spots when the guys run on the fence like that. You can't just expect him to, okay, I'm going to lift on accident. the point that Tyler's running the fence because he's trying to get a run to make a pass out there. And either either the nine needs to cover it early so Tyler has to lift or, you know, he needs to start calling it like, hey, and then, you know, Martin needs to recognize there's going to be three. I mean, it's a tough situation for sure.

But like, that is a situation that we're put in a lot on the exit of these corners. So, you know, I think it's, I don't know, to me, somebody didn't get the message in time. because if they did, Martin's not just going to go up there and wash somebody up. You know, he's not going to do that. And Chase obviously isn't going to just go up there and try to run Tyler in offense. None of them guys are going to do that. So to me, somebody didn't know. And, you know, I don't know.

To me, one of them didn't know enough or early enough to, you know, play, make the next move for that coming. And I didn't even know. I mean, we'll still going to talk about the wreck here in a little bit. But, man, what a wreck. I mean, the wreck, I mean, we're talking about right now. The wreck, you know, it cleaned, it flipped the playoffs upside down, essentially. You know, I mean, you literally. You took Redick out.

It took chase out. Blaney got damage from that, right? I mean, that was. So when I walked through the garage afterwards, I was surprised. I didn't know the two got a piece of it. And I didn't know. I didn't see the nine in there. He came down pit road multiple times and then ended up in the garage.

But definitely pulled up to pit multiple times to get up. That's allowed. Oh, for him, I thought. Well, once you meet minimum speed, you're about to go on the garage kit? Yes, yes, you're allowed to go in, once you. Well, I will say this, you know, there was one time when, and this was early in the early going of DVP that you, even though you cleared the clock, you were still not allowed to work on damage in the garage. So that may have changed since I've left. And so I don't work on.

Yeah, they, there's always some, yesterday, nine of the garage. It's either nine of the garage DVPs out of the race or nine of the garage mechanical. I don't know what they, how much. but how they police what he's working on back there. But he had a bunch of damage to the door and whatnot. So I don't know if they fixed that. But yeah, I mean, it collected a lot of three playoff guys. I mean, and it really ruined their day.

Did you hit the 12? Like when you were coming back across? I don't, I think, I don't remember him hitting us. He must have clipped something a little bit because most of our damage was from when we got hit. And I think Tyler got us when he come down the racetrack. Yeah. And I think Blaney actually might have got a piece of it a little bit. Oh, he definitely did.

I know that. Yeah, he broke a tow link. And I think in Austin, Austin just kept going up. And finally he hit the wall to miss. You know, he didn't really hit us, but he hit the wall trying to miss us. And that hurt his card bad enough to be done. But Blaney definitely definitely has some damage from it. Yeah.

And I don't know that I'm sure we're going to hear about cars flipping. over. I think this was just a freak. You know, I don't know enough about the aerodynamics of it to tell you that it's 100% freak, but it just seemed to me like, as he's sliding, he kind of jumps over the short track. It was an error related. Yeah. Who knew a quarter mile had that much banking on it? And that's what it boiled down to.

I mean, not only him, but one of the other cards that came across there, too, caught air because of the level of banking that that little quarter mile has. Yeah. For sure. And it's just the way to dug into the grass on the other side. It just sent him tumbling. I didn't even realize it was Tyler. I was calling the wreck.

and I'm like, there's one down there flipping. Then I read, I re-rolls. I'm like, oh, it's Tyler, that sucks. So he drives him his pit box. And Bubba's like, did you say somebody was flipping? I was like, yeah, he drove off though. It's fine. So I saw a replay of it on the big screen.

And then I'm like, oh, he flipped. So then I started looking around. I thought he was going to be parked somewhere erect. I'm like, I can't even find him. So I mean. It was like slow-mo. It was very odd. Yeah.

Now, as ironically, most of the drivers involved were in the playoffs. As spotters, how do you communicate that, whether you're in the playoffs or or not who's around you, whether you should be more cognizant. You don't, I mean, you mentioned it before the race,

maybe, you know, but you don't, it doesn't matter. Yeah, we don't even talk about who is in. We just go and run our race. And,

and, honestly, sometimes when you're, when you're not in the playoffs anymore, you can put yourself in, you can put other people in positions. They don't want to be in and take advantage of that.

So you hear all the time, somebody will come down. It's, you know, that situation sometimes, some spot will come down and be like, hey, you know,

we're racing for, points. And I thought you I'd get the out of the way. We're racing for the win. And that was the answer I was looking for. I mean, it's just true though. I mean, you got a lot. That's what I'm saying. Like, right now, Joey is going to be the nicest guy on the track for the next two weeks. I mean, why wouldn't he be? I mean, he's going to go to race for a championship in Phoenix. So he wants everybody to owe him, you know. And I made the comment. I said something above

of yesterday because there was a guy that was, you know, kind of arrow blocking like he normally does. was we run him down and he's arrow blocking and he's in the playoffs and I'm like listen this guy's got a lot more to lose than you do like if that I mean he can keep playing games if he wants to but it's you know it's you're not there to fall up yeah so but yeah it's it's

not really I don't call it any differently around but I mean obviously maybe late in the race or if they if you know there's a battle for one point or something like that maybe you know you spot a little bit differently you know you're you don't really want to be a part of their yeah they're a little their race so every level of the sport has that

we had that on Saturday when when Brendan Queen was he knew he had a little bit of a cushion over Connor Hall and you could see them and I was you know listening to a little bit of their radio traffic and when it was when it was a time not to get in there and fight for that just to move over and let them go so I mean man that happens at every level from Saturday night racing all the way up to you guys it's interesting to say that because we talk about it we we we know what happens and we never really talk about it on our side of it but now you're obviously in the position you're in how much radio transmission do you listen to uh uh uh uh uh uh in your booth? I don't. The only reason that I had the radio for Brendan and then Connor and then throughout the race for the pro race for Caden and for Spencer was just because of the fact that they were running for the championship. You know, I learned that a long time ago from Wayne Alton. He'll have a radio programmed up for his championship contenders. Really and truly is just so, you know, once the race is over, you can tell them where to go, where to park, where to do their celebration, whatever the case may be. But, you know, through the race, throughout the race,

whoever was leading in points at that particular time I had on their channel. Brian Blaney helped push Joey Lugano, who was stretching his fuel mileage, to pass Daniel Suarez and ultimately win the race, which helped Lugano but hurt. Blaney, spot on, spot off, ready. What a tough spot for Blaney to be in. You know, I don't know. You know, I think it's expected of him to help, and he did. Listen, what he did was similar to what I think.

I think Bubba and Tyler did earlier this year at, I think it was Texas, where we were kind of, we had been lapsed down for some reason, but we had a fast car. I didn't remember that now. So we basically tandem draft, Redick back up to, I think Larson was leading. Ultimately, we didn't play out the way we wanted it to, but it's kind of the same situation here. If you're saving fuel and you got a teammate back there willing to push you, you can save a lot more fuel because you don't have to run as much throttle, obviously. And now the guys that are saving that you're racing, the 99 was leading at the time. you know, Danny was all on the same program. You know, he gets away from Danny.

Now he can run the 99 down because Joey, I mean, Ryan's pushing him. And then, you know, I seen Bell was a little upset with Ryan. And I get it. Like, Bell, I think Bell cursed for maybe the third time in his life at the checker flag because he's just angry. You know, he had a dominant car all day long and had the right strategy. Maybe if Ryan wasn't helping Joey as much, he probably would have got to him. But, you know, Ryan didn't, I seen people talking about Ryan blocking Bell.

He never, bell really never even got close enough for Ryan. He probably would have. I would imagine if Bell got close enough, but he never really got close enough to affect anything. But, I mean, going back to Ryan, it's something I think he didn't just in the moment, knew was kind of the right thing to do for his team, but it's something he may live to regret coming down to the next couple weeks.

I'm spot on. That's heads up. I mean, and it kind of happened naturally for them to line up like that. It looks like in Texas. Yeah, same thing. It kind of just lined up naturally and it was there, so why don't you take advantage of it?

So to me, that's just heads up, heads up on top of the game right there for Blaney to do that. And I don't know, like, if Bell was in that situation, he'd be, you know, want the same fan. I think Bell was, I mean, I don't know. It wasn't as much, but, you know, the 54 was behind Bell, that last part of the run, too. So I don't know how much he was helping her. I mean, Bell was really charging at the end.

So he wasn't looking for a lot of help. But yeah, yeah, but yeah, definitely, definitely an assist from Blaney there. I think it's amazing how, and I look at it from a different aspect is, and I, and I'm missed it live. I saw the replays of it. But at a mile and a half track, like Vegas, how much drag the cars have to where a push comes into play. And I know Arrow is important everywhere you guys go, no matter if it's Martinsville or Vegas. But it doesn't surprise me knowing Ryan the way I think that I know him being a good teammate. But to your point, I think that he's going to look at this after the fact and think, man, what if? Yeah. I mean, he, it's,

It's right now, it's not a huge difference. I think he's 47 out. He would have been probably 37 out, I think it was. So it's still a big gap. You know, it wasn't like he pushed himself off the cut line or anything like that. But you never know if a couple guys, you come down to the end of it.

You miss by a couple points. You're going to maybe regret that. And this is not the first time we've seen this at Ryan. We saw it at Phoenix when Joey won the championship a couple years ago. I thought Ryan had the better car, but he kind of rode behind Joey. And second, you know, no, that was Ross.

That was last year where Ross when Blaney won. But the year before, it seemed to me like Joey, I mean, Ryan was the better car, but he kind of just kind of sat there behind him and just played a little defense. And, you know, not that they really needed it. He wasn't like holding anybody up. But it's just like you said, it's a good teammate. And but might come back to bite him at some point.

Do we see team orders for Joey now when it comes to Ryan for the next two races? No, I don't think there's going to be any team orders, but I'm sure Joey's going to repay the favor if possible. It's just one of the, you know, you're going to Homestead and then Martinsville. It's going to be difficult. you know, he might be able to run blocker or something, but it's not like you're going to push anybody by at Barnesville. You know, you're not going to tandem draft down the front stretch there.

You know, it's just, you know, I'm sure he's going to do everything you can to help him now, knowing what Ryan did for him yesterday. But we've already- This has already happened, I think about five years ago, Larson was leading Atlanta. This is the old Atlanta. And he catches, I was spotting for Joey, and he catches Joey, and we were running the lane that Larsson needed it.

We just didn't move. And Blaney goes around the outside of Larson and wins the race. Yeah. So, I mean, sometimes things just work out perfectly. Like you said, and this just happened. You know, the same thing. It's like the same thing at us at Atlanta. Like we had, we were having a bad day.

I forget what was wrong. But we had pit off sequence for tires. And we just screen flag cycled out right behind the 45. And Bubba's like, tell them I'm going to push. We just started pushing. You know, it's just, you just find yourself in those positions. I don't, you know, I'd have to go back and deeper dive it. But I don't think Blaney by any means back to.

up to get behind the 22. I don't think, I think it just worked out to where he was in position to help and he did. Well, speaking of Kyle Larson, he had this to say about Joey Lagano. They're the best at taking an average car, maximizing their day and turning it into wins like this. You look at his career and he's had a lot of wins just like that. Hats off to them. Spot on, spot off, TJ. Yeah, I mean, this is their season. They've been doing this all year. like you saw how many lapses he led? Yeah, I mean, like almost nothing. 24.

Yeah. And he's got three wins. So I mean, that's those some great. So there's some, Paul has made some really, gutsy pit calls and he's put Joey in position to succeed. And Joey had to do his part because when you do this stuff, you're not,

you don't have the fastest car in the best track position at the time. Like you have to, you have to hold somebody off. or save fuel or something. You have to do something. Joey had to earn his side of this thing too. Like Paul saw the opportunity, took it, put it in the hands of Joey and they win. So, I mean, that's, I mean, yeah, hats off to him for pulling that off.

I mean, that's really, and he's right. Joey's really good at doing stuff like this too. So Joey's really good. Joey, that, I shouldn't say Joey, because it's that team. That team is really good at, we've talked about new races. They win all of them. like, you know, the, you know, you, the clash, you know, they take chances that it seems like nobody's willing to take, you know, the, that's two races in the playoffs now. They've stretched

their fuel mileage well beyond what everybody thought they could. You know, Atlanta, everybody thought it was insane how long they ran on fuel there to win that race. And then, you know, here, like, where was the clash this year? They ran. Everybody's worried about the tires. They ran the same tires forever, won the race. Even the first dirt race at Bristol. Yeah. I mean, and then this race, you know, obviously with the assist, you know, it's a little easier to save fuel. But, But if you're not willing to taste that risk, they're not going to win the race. And we see this weekend with them. Not only winning races, there'll be races where you look at Joey and he's barely hanging

on in the Lee lap or getting a lucky dog. Oh, yeah. And the next thing you know, they end up with a top five or a top 10 finish. And it's just because of they stay in the fight and they take risks and they pay off. And I think that's one of the bigger things that helps them. Like you said, like Paul puts him in this position. If they don't do it, like Joey's going to run 10th, 12th, probably yesterday without without taking a chance, they take a chance to get a little bit of help and it pays off for a win.

Yeah, you got to be able to be clicking at the right time too from a chemistry standpoint. And again, Paul's just, he's so good on top of the pit box and being in the garage for the number of years that I was. And he's not alone. There are a bunch of them that are in there. But he's just, he's good at taking advantage of certain situations at the right time. I want to say, Trey sent a text or tweet last night that Paul's, the winningest active crew chief, I think, right now. Yeah, I saw that.

With 41 wins, I think, or something like that. I mean, it's, there's, it's tight. It's like Paul's right there. Rodney's right there. Gay parts up there. There's a guy. There's a bunch of guys, Adam Stevens, that are within three or four wins of each other. But, you know, Paul's at the top of the list right now.

Spot on, spot off. With seven laps to go, Sammy Smith slow down on the backstretts complaining of voltage issues during the Xfinity race, causing a caution. As soon as the LOW waved, Sammy's car gained power, and he was, able to drive away. Freddie. I wasn't there, so good for you.

Why wouldn't he do this? Why would he not? There's no penalty for it. Why? If there's no repercussions for his only if he's having a problem, obviously he had a problem. His car would have a shut off down the front stretch. He's not going to voluntarily give up a lap to

stop and get a yellow. But, you know, why not stop on the racetrack because now you're going to bring a caution out. He's in the playoffs. You know, so he knows his night is ruined, whatever. But now stop on the racetrack, get a caution and hope chaos ensues, you know, and that's going to maybe help your chances of, you know, if at that point, AJ Almondinger is winning the race, he's going to take a final four spot right there.

Now, you know, if a caution comes out, that changes, you know, that you put Ryan Cig back in the picture. You put your teammate Justin Allgaier back in the picture. or you just hope that they all go into turn one on a restart and Rick, and now you're instead of being X amount of points out, now you're a lot less out. But until there's repercussions for doing this, and the only time we ever see repercussions for drawing cautions is,

if you admit that you did it afterwards, you get a monetary fine, but even a monetary fine isn't going to stop it from happening. You know, I don't, I hate to put Kip on the spot here because it was in my notes before I even knew Kip was coming. Kip made this call. I don't know. If you were the race director made the call this weekend,

but one of your, championship contenders stopped on the race track because he had damage and he was assessed a penalty. Yeah, we have a committee up in the... Don't say that word. No, so, man. So, you know, yeah, we, at our level of racing, because the races are so short and because things happen so quickly, you know, we at the start of the season had a penalty, a one-lap penalty if you stopped on the track to bring out the yellow.

And, man, it just seemed like it was happening a lot. And so, you know, when you look at a driver that, you know, hey, I've got a flat, if I can bring the yellow out, because we don't count cautions. That's where that comes into play. They come in and change of tires, stand on the lead lap. The, we changed that, my midway portion of the year to make it a minimum of three laps. And we, we reinstituted the penalty box. And so wherever we have a track where we've got room, we have a box designated to hold those cars. And that happened a couple of times, you know, this. past weekend at North Boaksboro for us. And, you know, the biggest thing there is, yes, you may have a problem, right? But we want our drivers and our teams to understand that stopping on the racetrack ain't all about you. You know, when you affect the outcome of the race for everybody else that's on the racetrack, that's why we, and look, we worded the penalty as such that it's a minimum of three

laps, then we're going to get to a point where if it continues to happen, like I say, happen to for sure, maybe even three times this past weekend. And if it continues to happen in the next season, we'll ramp that up. We, you know, I get it, you know, if you have a bad day and our level of racing, because the laps go by so quickly, you're basically out of contention. And yes, a three-lap penalty because of bringing out the LIS still better than 20 laps trying to repair damage. Totally get that too. But man, just to ruin it or ruin a possible run that someone's having or because we revert back to the last completed green flag.

Gap, you may take the lead back away from somebody. So there's a lot that goes into the reason why we have the penalty set up the way that we do. You know, I think that it is, you know, something that I'm sure that they'll take, that NASCAR will take a look at. But when, when at the format of racing that they have, I think it's maybe a little tougher to start doling out penalties because at that level, you better be able to prove that they stop for the reason they said they do. if he was able to, if it was an ignition problem or if he just hit the button on the wheel and was able to get it going again, you know, that's to be able to prove all that to do out a penalty makes it tough.

Yeah, I agree. It's a, I think it's, I think setting the tone like for the younger kids, though, and you're in, you know, the car store is a good example of like teaches them not to do it as they go on because they're still, we still have it quite a bit. I mean, weekly. Multiple times. Yeah, I mean, I was to say multiple times a year, we still see it. And like you said, though, it really changes the outcome of the race for somebody. Like, you might have a, you know, a guy might be leading for going to win his first race ever and somebody stops on track. And then there's a restart and, you know, he gets used up and then his car is wrecked.

Right. You know, that's, and that's not really fair. That's right. Yeah. And, I mean, it changed. I can't remember exactly where the 28 was in relation to 16, but they're having a hell of a battle for the lead. And now, now we have a caution. And the 16th was getting much better restarts.

So now he kind of was able to get away a little bit easier on the last. It's just, it's very selfish. And we talked about it with guys spinning out all the time. And, you know, it's just, you know, it's hard to, I get it. I understand why you do it because it's beneficial. You know, you're going to, you're going to lose 20 laps, you know, like you said, on pit road trying to, you know, if you're repairing a battery or whatever the problem was. But it's just, it's an awful look.

And it's the same exact situation happened, basically. in that car race with Spencer Davis, as it did with Sammy Smith, where the car comes to a stop on the back straightaway, and the second the yellow comes out, they fire up and drive away, and you're like... Yeah, but even in our level, too, because we don't count caution laps, they can sit there and wait on assistance to come.

And so a lot of them think that, oh, if I get towed in, maybe they won't hit me with that. Yeah, we're not going to do that. You stopped, and when it's very apparent that you don't keep rolling to the pit road, you just pull up and blatantly stop. And that's what we see more often than not. So just to make it easy and take the subjectivity out of it, if you stop on the racetrack to bring out a yellow, whether you have a problem or you don't, there's going to be a three-lat,

at least a three-lap penalty coming. Do you tell them to the pit box or their garage? That's, hey, I'm going to tell you, we had that situation happen with us, too. In the late-mile stock car race, Peyton Sellers got involved in an accident. And, you know, based on the discussion I had with Peyton and H. after the race, they claimed they just had a left rear flat. If they put a flat tire, or if they put a new tire back on to replace the flat,

then they're back racing again. But there was some dialogue between the guy driving the rollback. Well, at first, the guy driving the wrecker who was trying to bring him in and was having a tough time with it. And then there was dialogue after we dispatched the rollback. And so, you know, that whole situation could have been handled a lot better if Peyton would have been a little more, maybe sharing, some information a little better with the guys trying to get him in.

Yeah. And at the same time, too, you know, maybe the guy's driving the record on the rollback could have passed that message along that he was given up to race control. You know, we had someone that was dispatching the fire and safety equipment, just like, you know, what you guys have. And so with that being said, there's a lot going on there. When we put him on the rollback, just because we needed to get back to race, we took them to the garage.

We also, typically, if a car goes to the garage, for us, if they go behind the wall that they're out, we were going to give him the benefit of it out. And once they got the car back there, if they deemed that they could put a left rear tire on and get going again, we were letting you back in the race. So, yeah, it's, you know, that's that's even, again, at our level as, you know, like you guys, you have it. That's right. How do you, you mentioned for championship contenders, you'll listen to their radios. How would you prove something like that? So if NASCAR would implement a penalty, how could you prove?

prove that CME on purpose stopped. You can't. You can't prove intent. Yeah. And the only way you would be able to is if somebody said on radio, stop, you know, stop and get a caution. But that's not, I hope, I would hope that they didn't say that. They want to.

And I'll tell you, you know, at the top three levels of NASCAR 2, all the radio traffic is being listened to. It's all being recorded. So there's, there's always the ability, all of it. All of it. Right. So there's always the ability to go back and pull that audio at the. of the race.

Interesting. Or during. I've seen a couple, I've seen a couple, uh, people on the roof during races sometimes that are upset about something that was said on the radio. Oh, please share. I remember Mr. Helden, Mr. Helden was on the roof one point. Yeah.

Visiting. Talk to one of our co-hosts. Yeah. I'm going to tell you, if you got, if you got Mr. Helton up on the roof, there was, there was a serious situation going on. It was, uh, it was difficult. I'm not surprised. We'll have to ask you.

I was shocked. Listen, I was, I stand next to him at Loudoun and or used to when he spotted. And I felt like someone brushed against me and tap me, tap Brett on the shoulder. I was like, what the who? Somebody behind us wants Brett. I'd look, turn around and go, oh, like, like, there's a much stress. There is absolutely nothing good about that if you're here. There's nothing good.

I wouldn't even want to be next to him. No. I'd have moved. You could have a whole other show talking about the interactions. Oh, my goodness. Oh, he's the nicest guy, but you do not want to be on his bad side. I've heard stories. All right, when we come back from the break, we'll shift gears to your Action Theater.

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I don't know, but I'm putting money on it. I can't wait to hear all the butt hurt this week. By the way, PJ, where did you finish? I saw you the top five, and I don't know, it kind of just flaked out. Oh. Yeah, we just got flaked out. Flaked out. Like, just got, I don't know why you got a flake out like that.

Yeah, we just flaked out. We don't want to be there anymore. Yeah. It's too fast. I mean, there's a little flight home you want to get out of there. I was really feeling good about some black jacks I left. What a flake. This is the most fraudulent final four appearance of Kyle Bush in 2015.

I know the rules he just did with the system, blah, blah, blah, the motherfucker only in because Bowman DQ for 17 pounds. And then this son of a Bates the final four because Ryan Blaine, he decided to bump draft his teammate into the final four. a bunch of horses. I'm six out the fireball in. I'm about to make it seven after tonight. Freddie, your piece of s' hollow.

I thought that was Jimmy Wags for a second, but I don't know that he would call me a name like that. That guy, definitely. If he's six fireballs in, he might. That guy has definitely wore a 48 shirt to a NASCAR race. He, yeah, yeah, that's probably, that's probably explains. That's why he said that. He's definitely, he's got some 948.

He's got some gear somewhere. I know rules are rules, But I mean, I don't, I mean, I get it. People are not happy because he's, he's done it like this. But he's got three wins at the right times. That's right. And how do you fault him for it? If this was, if this was, you know, if this was like Chase Elliott, I'd be like, oh, that's great.

These guys are awesome. They did their, I mean, what's the difference? And listen, I saw a lot of people tweeting last week that video, Obama, jump in the curb on the front stretch and whatever flew off his car. If that was the case, you would have seen a. fight from the Hendrick people. That's right. They are, they are some of the smartest people in the sport work there and they know what they're doing.

And if they knew enough to not, you know, appeal, it was, it was enough to, they thought, ah, this is, if it was even close. Yeah. They would have tried. But it obviously, in their eyes, it wasn't worth the time and effort to do that. So, and then they came out and said it was a mistake on their part. They miscalculated some things and it was just in error. So, and it happens.

And like we said, it's a small miss because, like we said, if, if you get a, tolerance of 17 pounds, I guarantee you every car in that field just last week was light, you know, which they, some guys might have gone over. I mean, it's, it's, yeah, I've said this my entire career of being involved in the sport. All of you guys work to the tolerance. Yeah. And you got to, but you have to. That's right.

I mean, the tolerances are there. If you don't take them, then you're not taking full advantage. I don't think you push the last two pounds, but I think you, you definitely use some of it. That's right. You use some of it. Yeah. Well, that's what we talked about last week, when you get a speeding penalty, You're not point one over.

Yeah. You're 5.1 over, you know. I can't stand. Tyler Redick, that stupid. Oh, my God. When is he ever going to learn? I'm speechless. Just utterly speechless.

He is a dumb ass and he's never going to win anything major in this sport because it's stupid shit like that. And then you'll, poor me, Tyler Redick. He can kiss my ass. What color is sure you think he was weird? And like old Tyler Reddick doing his best Dale Earnhardt, and Prussian in that black car. Just flipped that

over and drive it to pit road. That a boy. Good Lord, man. Do you think that first guy was a Chase Elliott fan? What is Tyler's doing? I mean, that guy that called's an idiot. I'm sorry.

Like, how dare Tyler try to pass somebody? What's he thinking about? What does he do? Like, Tyler is paid to drive a race car to try to win races and that's what he was doing. And if he's out by the wall

and they come up on him, that's not on him. Oh, guys, you guys race it out. I'll wait here. little bit. I'm going to go ahead and tell you once you can get out of Vegas, it's hard to pass. It can be done. Vegas is a great racetrack because there's a lot of handling issues, wind, bumps, and you can run bottom, top, middle, and everywhere.

But, man, like, some of the guys that he was going to pass right there are hard to pass when you get singled out. You, like you said, you can pass there. But it's going to take you. If you let those two guys go, if you just follow in behind the 19 and the nine, two or two really fast race cars, by the way. Yeah. You know, it's going to take you probably. almost an entire tire run to get back by them. You know, 15, 20, 30 laps. By the time you get to 30, 35 laps, we're pitting for tires. So, you know, it's going to, I get it. It seems like an aggressive move,

but it has to be made with this car and the way these guys drive. You know, back in the day, you might not need to be so aggressive because somebody would let you go or, you know, because they didn't race as hard. Now you're fighting tooth and nail for every inch, every spot. And like you said, if, and by the time you get around those two, now you've heated your tires up so much, that they're, you're not going to be able to go chase anybody else down. You know, his fault it was, really. Oh, God. I think he was blamed Danny.

Why not? Because he stayed out on them tires and he was the one jamming everybody up. Really? Oh, yeah. I was blamed Danny. I was a little too far back for that. Dear, Danny. Denny's still great.

Sorry. The prophecy has come true for Joey Logano. Even near championship four. How did he save all that gas? I have no clue. Jingle Bell's. Mr. Bressmer Bell smells Joey Lugano. That was a f*** bullshit.

I ever thought I'd say this in my life, but thank you, Mr. H. Thank you. I really appreciate what you did to Alex Coleman. Just to what? Joey Lugano back into the championship race to win another championship, baby! I would like to know whether the heck Joe Lugano found the golden horseshoe that's currently stuck up his ass because right now, I just can't believe it. We had him gone out of all this crap.

And now here he is in the final four again, lucking into it. First he luxes into five overtimes at Nashville. Then he lucks it into Alex Bowman getting suspended, getting dismalified at the end of the race. I can't believe it. What the crap is going on here? Anything but anybody but Joey Logano. I hate the way that dude talks. I hate the stupid hair.

He was starting to hate yellow. Have it going. What's Jello we got to do with it? Yellow. Oh, I thought he said Jell. I mean, that golden horseshoe was lost last year when he was poor. He was going to transfer pretty easily at Bristol in somebody's spine. I think it was Joey spun on front of him and collected him at a wreck and knocked

to rerun out of his car. So, I mean, it's just every other year thing. You can bank out in 2026. Joey's going to be in the final four. I think that's just coincidence. But, I mean, things have, listen, something's happened for all these guys at some point in these races. For most of them anyway, there's been some lucky breaks for all of them. I mean.

Yeah, but you make your own. Look, if you're not willing to take the risk they took yesterday, then you're not going to be anywhere near this position. And they took the same risk at Atlanta. Good morning, boys. Jesus. Oh, Barry Williams. I don't know when the next Star Wars movie is,

but I know Rick Allen would make a great Darth Vader. That son of a B. Needs to get some breathe right strips or a surgery or maybe pay attention to when he's breathing. I am so tired of hearing that crap. I think I'd almost like to have Lee Diffy call the Expinity races in the theater this summer. Rick Allen. Jeez. Rick Allen catching strays on here.

He kind of talks about Lee, too. Like that one. I feel like that guy should narrate, like, video. I was going to say, he sounds like the movie phone guy. He sounds like a version of Denzel, like, hello, sir. Like, he's like, I'm going to stop because, yeah, get yourself in trouble. I had I been a fan of Denny. entire career and it sure would be nice if he'd start driving like he's Denny

fatt hamlin again that'd be great also we watched the entire five team trip over the this time at least they managed to recover and then he got a decent fan at a finish go 11 so the five's pit stop under green I don't know if you saw it or not I saw did they lose two laps yeah because they changed right size the right rear must not must not have gotten tight they had already went to the left side well they changed the left front and not to left rear and they go back over and change the right rear or tighten the right rear up and send him and then he had to come back down to get a left rear. That's weird.

I think that's what I saw. You come back down and I got one tire. The one I didn't understand yesterday was. Danny's staying out? No, the 43. Are you understood that? Did you see the 43? Did you see the 43?

Leave. Was the lucky dog came down pit road and and the wheel fell off. Yeah. Like there's nobody else on pit road with you. There's nothing to gain. So now instead of getting a lucky dog, he ended up two laps down because you get held for a couple laps. We've had a couple wheels now in a few weeks here, right? Or a row in here, right?

Yeah. Oh, it's rearing its ugly head again. It is. Here we go. Bring back the five lugs. Yeah, you go. All right. Real question for you three stooges.

So when it comes to this round, particularly in the playoffs, or I guess you could say any, is it momentum that works the best? Or is it just knowing the fact that you're going to move on to the falling ground propel you further? I guess in other words, what Ryan Blaney and Chase Elliott did to win back the last, I guess, two races, I guess, with Blaney finishing second. A better way to win the championship, or is what Kyle Larson and Joey Lagano winning in Las Vegas, the way to do it three weeks before the actual championship race happens? cheer it. How'd you become a stooge? Just showed up for the wrong day.

I guess so. I think both can work. I mean, this is how I think you get to Phoenix both ways. I've seen, you know, the guy that wins this race, obviously might not be the fastest guy. The same thing with Martinsville a handful of years ago. You won Martinsville. You were racing a homestead, you know, and you had, would you have Texas Phoenix? Texas Phoenix.

Yeah. So it makes it easier. in that aspect, but you also want to have speed too. But I can tell you this, that 22 team's going to show up at Phoenix and be fast. Like, they're going to be tough to beat. So, and as well are the other three guys that make it in. Whoever, you know, whoever wins the next two races are also going to be, you know, they're going to be factors, man.

So I think you can do it both ways. I don't think there's really a wrong way. I've, you know, an 18 won a championship by being the underdog. and everyone counted us out. You know, everyone counted out, Joey, and then we go to Homestead and win. And I think that can happen, but you can also have a guy, you know, like Christopher Bell, he might not win the next two races, but he's going to be super fast at Phoenix as well. He can win with speed, you know, just as easily as Joey can win by running a smart race.

Yeah. You know, I like this round of eight, the tracks that are in the round of eight this year. the fact that you Martinsville could still be considered a little bit of a wild card, not as much as I think it once was. But you have Vegas and then even though

homesteads a mile and a half a completely different racetrack, right? And then you do go to the short track of Martinsville. I think it gives a good opportunity for those who have strengths at different disciplines have the opportunity to shine at least one time in the final three races before one to Phoenix.

So I think that I think it's still kind of up in the air, right? Going in the next week, I'm, I really, I've always loved Homestead, you know, I know you guys like that track too. So, so seeing that, you know, position where it is, if it can't be the final race, you know, being in this final state or the final round before the final race, I think it's just in a great spot. And then I'm still thankful that for me, Marchville is close to home.

So I'll get to go and watch that one. Yeah. You know, you see this in pretty much all forms of sports when you get down to the end of the year. You know, do you want to be the team that's going in on the buy and having the rest of your players? Or do you want to be the hot team like the guy that got the wild card and went in there and was hot and stayed hot throughout the playoffs? And like TJ said, we've seen it work both ways. You know, and it's just a matter of being able and just being prepared. You know, if I tell the bills that, you know, with week one of the playoffs, you're playing the Giants in the, in the

play in the Super Bowl this year. But the Giants still got to play three other games. You know, so the Giants got to get rid of three other opponents where the bills can just go watch Giant Film and figure out how to beat the Giants. That's kind of where the 22's at now. They just have to worry about one race now. But at the same time, if you get hot like Ryan did last year and win Martinsville and run good at, you know, that whole round, now you're now you're, you know,

you're carrying a lot more momentum into Phoenix. So it's just, you know, six and one, half dozen the other. It's just, you know, how you get there. But you've got to perform. you get there. This message is for Freddie Craft, man. Man, you are a phony. I'm here to call in and side with my buddy from Long Island.

Man, I was at the Roble, too, man. And Freddie's asking, oh, where's the furthest anybody came from? I came from Kings Park, and I looked right at you and said, Kings Park, and you totally ignored the shit of me. And you know what? I know you looked right at me because I was standing in front of the guys who threw you, the quix, phony. Well,

unfortunately, I definitely didn't hear you because if you would have, if I heard of her, he said, King's Park, yeah, I would have jumped off the stage and gave you a hug

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It's nothing to erasing really. One, a friend of ours was in the casino on Saturday night. And I thought this was going to be my one idiot. But then it takes a big turn, like a thrilling movie would. And we pivot to a different one idiot. but so the first guy I'm confused the first guy was in the casino gambling

and he dropped a thousand dollar chip on the ground and I thought that was where my wooden idiot ended like you're an idiot you dropped a thousand dollar chip and the movie takes a big turn when we found out that somebody found the thousand dollar chip and turned it in

You mean gambled with it? No, no, like brought it No, like brought it to the security desk and said Somebody dropped this. What a nice guy that is, but what an idiot. Wait on the documentary of what would you do? The cameras to come out and Obviously there's a million cameras in the casino

So they could kind of trace all these steps. But like the guy thought he lost a $1,000 chip. And then the security's like, oh no, we have it right. here, somebody came and turned it in. I'll tell you, maybe I'm a bad person, but if I find a $1,000 chip laying on the ground, that's now my $1,000 chip. Yeah, I have no words for that.

I cannot believe somebody would do that. So nice. If you were the person that turned in a $1,000 chip, we commend you. If you lose a $1,000 chip, my buddy's very happy with you. You obviously can afford to, if you actually, there is no way $1,000 chips

to getting out of my site, let alone fall on the ground. It's not, I've never even seen one. I know. That's what I'm saying. I was trying to think what color it is. I think it's yellow if I had to guess. I don't care what color it is.

It's not. Oh my gosh. I just couldn't believe. So, literally I was told the story yesterday morning in the holler and I was like, oh, my God. You know these people are. Oh, yeah. I was like, how about you got to say? I was like, I was like, oh my God, you're an idiot.

And then I was like, oh my God, they're an idiot. Like, it was a big turn. I don't know. Could have been anybody. you got it's probably bubba could have been anybody oh my gosh he was down there uh doing well i guess he had a really good night at the craps table did he yeah that's usually he plays craps like we'll be there and we'll will like i like playing craps when there's a big group yeah like people especially people you know i don't like a lot of times like we were playing at the cosmo they were

playing at the cosmo i didn't go anywhere this weekend but um cosmosmo so busy and like it's like i don't like getting in like just trying to cram into a full table of people you don't know but sometimes they'll open one up for you and there'll be you know seven eight guys that you know then that's when it gets really fun that's like it's such a hard game to understand what the hell's going on especially i don't know especially when you're under the weather i learned to play craps from the best threesome that i could have ever picked in the history of of craps and racing being together we were at this was this was pre-2000 we were in vegas uh in old vegas at benyons okay and I go walking up to a table and there's Benny Parsons and there's Jimmy Spencer and there's Donnie Wingo.

And I had not a clue how to play this game. And those three taught me how to play and it's the most money that I ever walked away, Vegas. And because I did walk away once I made a little bit of money. But I had the best time just listening to those three go at it. It was so fun. I'll tell you who is really good. It's Billy Wilburne. He is really good.

We did a blackjack tournament at the South Point on 4th. Friday night and I was on his team and he was kind of guiding me. I did the I was the first one of our group to to be in the tournament and man is he smart like we took you get there was 20 hands that were played we went from 5,000 all for charity to 14,000 and like 20 hands and it's all because Billy's I mean he knows what's going on like when we go out there usually it's brand and I'll be playing either blackjack or craps and we had to a young driver. I won't call him out, but he was freshly 21, I think, at the time.

And he's like, I want to learn how to play blackjack. So we're like, all, sit down. So he sits down with us and me and Brett lost our asses and he won gobs of money. And I'm like, I said, you son of how this works. He just got to be lucky. The new guys are always the ones you don't want in that last seat, right?

Because they're taking that card to the Aulet. Yes. DJs, you have been idiot? I mean, who? That's, I'm mad. at Freddie story right now. I'm really mad. I'm just mad. I wouldn't a guy that found a chip. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I don't know if, I mean, to me, I gotta want to give it to Spencer Davis. That was, that was, I mean,

you're battling for a championship and I don't know what led up to him going in there and just like looking, I don't know if you got loose and chased it up into him or what, but like that's an unnecessary risk that early in the race.

It was early, right? It just seemed like an unnecessary ricks to me. And then you damage your car and then whatever else played out the rest of that race. We're stopping on the racetrack and then potentially trying to cause other cautions. You know what? I'm just going to go with Tyler Redick. Can't believe he caused that.

Can't believe you cause that big rig. You want to call Nick. Nick. Nick Flicks. They were saying Nick Flicks on the radio yesterday. He was getting a little upset about it. Are you serious? Oh, yeah.

They recently found out some of Nick's nicknames on the team. And it's, uh, really? Yeah, it's Nick Flicks. I'm going to go there next week. Hey, is Nick Flizin? Glazine. We were talking about glazing. Nick Flick.

Nick Flicks. That might be the funniest thing you ever said on this show. Glazes Tyler. Poor Nick was really into Netflix. And, uh, well, apparently when they did the, the Netflix series, they did a little bit with, uh, with Nick. And apparently Nick watched like 60 hours of video in one week, which is, I don't think there's that many hours of races for this car to. certain track to even look at.

I like old races too, Nick, but yeah, so ever since that point on, he's been Nick Flicks. You got anybody you want to call an idiot this week, Kip? The guy they called me a stooge. Oh, that's good. Yeah, man. I think he was referring to Brett.

Yeah, but you don't know who's going to be sitting here. That's exactly right. I hope the guy that... Maybe it's Brett that I need to be. Yeah, it's Brett's fault. I hope the guy that grilled Rick Allen calls back in and just does like a, like a Morgan

Freeman flow or something from Shawshank Renemption or something. We want a movie review from you every week. I want him to do the intro. Hello, everybody. All right. Well, let's take some picks for Homestead. Who won, Brett? I get to pick for Brett.

Yes. We should let you. Well, he sent me his pick, but y'all can make your own rules. No, we'll let him pick. It doesn't even matter what I pick. Do I not want to win? yeah i'm last okay also it's obviously me that keeps jinxing these drivers because i picked larsson the win and of course finish 11th and you guys all agreed to this to the pick larsen should have

was a good pick i'm glad a j got me the the w and the roval and y'all thought you schooled me with the van gisberg and pick so agent yeah yeah yeah brett can suck on that one so where we go? We're going to homestead. Man, I will, I don't know, I'm feeling a little off. I guess I'll just take Kyle Larson. I was going to say, I needed you to not take him so I can catch Brett. Hey, well, you know what?

I'll work with you here. I'll blaney you. I'll blaney right here. Let's do it. I'll take, oh, man. Then he usually steps on it there, too, so it's hard to take him. I'll take I mean, I'll just finish Danny season off

If he's either going to win or Rex So I'll take Danny I'll take Larson You owe me Yeah You owe me We'll split the dinner So I still owe dinner

I still from last year I know I still yeah I still So grades available Grays are not available Everybody else is available Who would you pick kids Ben Gizburger Bigger

Just kidding Well Did you pick I have not picked Oh yeah You gotta go No, you got to go first. Oh, I think it's going to be C-Bell.

It's a good pick. That is a good pick. Martin's pretty good there. Yeah, but man, that 45 car is going to be good, too. But he's got Nick Flicks. Well, there is that. I mean, if I were picking and I had this group to pick from going to Homestead, I would go Reddick. Who did, Jay, who did he pick?

Brent went with Redick. How about that? You guys are on the same page. So he and I get to share the meal that y'all don't buy for each other. You're just like Brett. I know. We still need that. Yeah, we do need to.

We'll make a combined one this year. Just do two in the office. Yeah. Just order a bunch of pizzas. No, we go on Epic. We're going to Epic or steak. Well, I'm definitely, if y'all, hey. Yeah, you want to.

Do you buy it? Wow. No. Tyler. It's I. O. One. Tyler usually joins us.

This year, who was. I.O.1 from last year. Yeah. Right now, TJ's last. Usually who's ever last buys. Much I'll use on here. Yeah. Well, the year,

the year Casey finished last, me and Brett bought it. Oh. That's not true. Is it? Yes, it is true. That epic.

Tyler, Tyler might have bought it. I screwed up. Tyler might split it with us. Yeah. So that's what you, I get it now. Yeah.

So if I lose, you owe me. Yeah, yeah, we'll split it. Okay. I are, I go, you anyway.

I know, I got split anyway. But, yeah. So what are we thinking? we can see here at Hempstead. Lots of running the fence. Lots of hot. What?

Yeah. This is, this is, I love this race, man. We've lobbied for this to be the final race for years now. You tell me that it's going to rain. No,

don't tell me. No, I'm talking to. I know. It's, listen, it was really fun when it was the final race because it was kind of a,

if you weren't in the final four, it's kind of like a vacation week where your guys were going down early and going fishing at a key Largo. You know, I miss Holmes. being like that. Yeah, it was fun, man. I mean, it's still fun now. Some guys still do that. But it was kind of like a, you know, like the last week of school. Yeah. I mean, like, you know,

it's kind of nobody's really doing anything. There's no homework. Yeah. It's so. You know what I always thought to. I like the fact that homestead being last and we only went there once, right? So everything, when you show up there, that's right. So when it moved to Phoenix and I, I bit my tongue a lot of times on certain things. But I always thought that as good as the racing was at Homestead and both tracks are owned by by NASCAR now, why wouldn't you take one of the Phoenix dates and throw it to Homestead to let you have two dates there and then have the championship at Phoenix where you only have it one time a year. Yeah. I think that, you know, the only problem, and I hope this changes, I would like, if we can plead with anybody out there right now, the only downside to Homestead

is the attendance. It seems like is what holds it back the most and you don't get great crowds there for whatever reason. And if you did, like that's, I think that's one of the main reasons why Phoenix continues to be the playoff for the final race is because it sells out every year. Yeah. It's a great. It is a great tournament town, right? Yeah.

And the venue, like everything about Phoenix is great. I mean, the venue, I think is awesome now. Homestead's probably due for. I think they are, I think they were one of the, one of the facilities that was, you know, do for some upgrades, whether it was in the infield or, you know, on the fan side. And I think that's a part of the reason why. you've seen it move early next year. It's in March because now if you do that race in March,

you have and you want to move it back to the playoffs, you have a year plus, you know, almost two years to get it ready for that. Brett said a lot of dumb things on here, but one of the smarter things that he has probably said, minus plate race stuff is that tracks, you know,

you go once. And we've seen attendance, you know, it looks better when you go once. Yeah. Place like Pocono, Dover. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I mean, it's, listen, it's going to be all three are there, right? I mean, I think we got doubleheader Saturday. So, I mean, there'd be a lot of raising, a lot of on-track stuff. We're going down Friday, I think we got practice. So it looks like it'll be cloudy. Not a significant chance of rain on Saturday, Sunday, so, but you're still a week out. Yeah. It's also Florida. It is also Florida. I saw one of them water spouts one time there. Yeah. Do you see that? Yeah. That's crazy. It is. Low 80s.

You know what I didn't notice this week? I don't know. I don't thought this is, I'm not trying to make this political by any means. Oh boy. And I don't know if you took notice of this. There was no planes this weekend. Somebody mentioned that. Yeah. I saw somebody say something about that.

Yeah. I mean, used to be, we were out there. That was the damn, our own personal air show. Like, it was awesome.

And we, I don't, I didn't recognize. I don't think I saw any planes except for maybe the flyovers. But, you know, there was nothing. That I read Friday?

No, I don't, I didn't go Friday. But, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't remember any of it.

Normally, there's plenty of there. Which that's like, that's one of the highlights of going out there. Yeah. I did see some poor house burn down during the Xfinity race. Yeah, it was, it was off in, like, just past the Air Force base. I'm like, what is, there's a smoke stack or something. And I'm like, oh, no, somebody's, I don't know if it was somebody's house burning down or if it was some kind of control thing where there, because it looked like it was on

the Air Force base. But, yeah, unfortunately. But that was something that happened down during the Xfinity race. But, yeah, Homestead. Yeah. a lot of DBC fans again this week in Vegas. Got off the elevator with one at the Cosmo. Me and Brad rode down the elevator and we get off and walking away and the guys like,

love the show. I always love the people that like they wait to like you're leaving to say something. Like, you know, I was standing next to you for five minutes. You could have said something. You know, like, but yeah, it's just we have the best fans. Someday I need to tell you about my. Except for that guy from Kings Park. He's pissed at me.

The Uber driver that we had on Friday night at one point, but I cannot. Can I tell that story? No, me, Brett and Clint got an Uber out there one time and just a van

You know, we just were going somewhere It's like we like ordered Uber Excel We're going to like Just from one bar Another or something dinner. I can't remember. And a van rolls up.

Door slides open. We get in. It already sounds catchy. The next thing I know we're in a nightclub. Like the, there was a disco ball. There was like stroke.

I'm like, what did we get into right? I'm like, where are we? any brass poles. No, there was no poles. Thank God. When the van stopped,

they got out in the middle of desert. Line up, guys. I was like, what in the hell? Card do we get into here? Megan, you're not going to believe this. I don't think there's anything. I don't know there's anything I can tell her anymore that she's not going to believe.

That's probably true. But, yeah, well, we'll see how it goes. We look forward to seeing everybody out there. Yeah, should be some good racing this weekend.

So you got to, you guys enjoy. I'll be watching for a whole. Well, you're off. You're off. You're off. You're off. You guys.

You guys. enjoying. Listen, there's going to be. I'll tell you where I'll be. I'll be at the Lexington Barbecue Festival. It's the first time I've been able to go in years. I can't wait to go. That sounds amazing.

My cholesterol will be so high. And listen, like, as far as the race goes, there's a lot of guys that are kind of must win or close to must win that are going to be pushing really hard. Basically everybody's out right now. I mean, especially with Joey. I mean, now, Joey's basically they're laughing at these guys now. It'll be fun to watch.

It could be high pressure, action-packed. We'll see you guys out. there. Yep. You want to say, I want to say hollow? No, I do not.

Do it. Just do it once. Just say, no, I wouldn't know. No, I'm not going to do that. What this dude. We'll just close it on that. Love you mean it,

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