Door Bumper Clear - 354 | Martinsville: A Chevy Blockade, A Suspicious Slow-Down, And A Wall-Ride

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Casey Boat, TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, and Freddie Kraft are back from the Round of 8 elimination race at Martinsville and are joined in-studio by The Teardown’s Jeff Gluck. With all the controversy surrounding the closing laps, is this year’s Championship 4 tainted? Was Chevy’s blockade fair or foul? Freddie shares his insider perspective on what happened to Bubba Wallace down the stretch, including that suspicious final lap. Did NASCAR make the right call ruling against Christopher Bell’s wall-ride? What should the punishment be for race manipulation, even if you can’t prove intent? This is one DBC episode you don’t wanna miss.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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spot with the sixth cup car this weekend uh had a truck as well on friday with matt mills i didn't do saturday thankfully did you get held up on traffic on the way here did i no no i made it on time i leave on time and make shows brett ruffin i didn't spot this weekend i did have stop for a can of fix flat on the way in this morning though did you yeah oh no that's why you yeah brett i had enough traffic i had enough traffic last night you know must have run some yeah what's up freddy craft spotted for bubble one Wallace, Kyle Seig, and Dawson Sutton this weekend. Hi, Casey. Casey, vote here back from Exfillingy 500 race weekend with, I mean, we had to bring in the big dog here with everything

that happened this weekend. Yeah, yeah. What's the last time you were called the big dog? Don't say the big dog because that was from 2013. That was part of the 2013 Richmond thing. Right? The big dog in the committee. That was part of the. I don't know. I didn't know that. Do you see, Ricky Craven is crying somewhere today like you did last time? Oh, I forgot about that. Well, yeah, he was crying all over TV. What I mean is you are certainly going to have a very strong opinion about this. By the way, Jeff Gluck is here.

Bianchi, what's your name now? I don't know. What the hell are you wearing? First of all, if you're watching this, the reason I would never dress up for this show. I would never think of doing that. But I'm going to court right after this. I thought you were a boss baby or something. Well, with the bald head.

What kind of court? There's a little bit of a federal hearing going on today with NASCAR and somebody's traffic court. Traffic court, yeah. Yeah. Been there. Wow, what time is that? What is, so today, I don't even know what today is. What is Monday?

So today is the preliminary injunction hearing, 2311 in front row, are asking NASCAR or asking the court to take the part of the charter agreement out that says you can't sue us for antitrust stuff. And they want to sign the charter agreements, actually. They just want that part removed so that they can be paid next year and keep getting, you know, keep their charters, obviously. And then they're hoping the judge can take that part out so the lawsuit can go forward. If the judge says no, then they have a decision. They're like, okay, well, now do we not sign it and potentially actually lose our charters? That would be a tough call.

It would be a lot easier for them to go forward with saying, okay, we'll sign this and then we'll ask for damages. and then we'll try to get what we think we're entitled to going forward. But while we're not going to lose our charters then. So this is a big kind of moment here. And you think there will be a resolution to that today or you're not sure? I don't really have much experience in this. I don't know if the judge will decide it today by the time people are hearing this

or whether it will take a few days or what. But this is the first hearing where both sides are in court together in this case. This will be my question is both of these teams. 2311 and front row are expanding their operation from two cup cars to a planned three cup cars in 2025. NASCAR has to approve that sale. Where is all that land in lay right now? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't sound like NASCAR is going to try to take those charters away or take anybody's charges away and redistribute them because NASCAR has said in the court filing that they're planning to just have 32 charters for next year. obviously those would be included in it.

So I think that the two charters from each teams that they have now are the ones that are in question. And NASCAR seems to be expecting that, you know, they're indicating that would go forward with the sale of one from SHR to each team. But I don't know if the teams, I don't know what their plan is too. So there's lots of left to play out. I've been told by people, too, that like if NASCAR, if the teams win this today and NASCAR loses this part of it, then that could actually speed things up in terms of like NASCAR could be encouraged more to settle the case because the judge is deciding this on the merits of the case. So NASCAR would go like, uh-oh, like maybe this isn't going to turn out well for us. Okay, now we we settle. Whereas

if NASCAR wins this, then they can hunker down and the teams are like, oh, shoot, like maybe we have to reevaluate. I don't know how it goes. So yeah, the decision here is something everybody should be watching. Are you picking side yet? I don't know. I don't know how I don't have any legal. The only legal knowledge I have is like asking experts and being like, what's what's going on? Like, because I have no idea. You know, I've, uh, part of it. I mean, it's kind of embarrassing, but like part of being a sports reporter is you just have like, you're sort of like blind in situations like these, right?

Like, I mean, probably not, well, Bob is not blind. Bob has plenty of court experience. Bob's looking for the court records. I remember when I was at NASCAR scene, uh, before we like, we actually had a day off during NASCAR scene because we didn't have an online website yet. Like it was just the print edition. And we had Tuesdays every Tuesday off. So most of us on the staff would go play golf every Tuesday. Like even if a story happened back pre-internet, there was nothing to do. Like we'd be like, ah, we'll just get in the next edition. But Bob on his day off would go down to the courthouse in

Charlotte and search all every see. He would type every single team name, every single driver name into the courthouse records on his day off. Just to see. Just to see if there was anything new. I went with him one time because I was like, oh, this is. is what Bob does. I better learn how to do this. Bob's, I look up to Bob. And then after one time, I was like, nah, I'm doing that. I'm playing. I'm sorry for Bob to tell me. Yeah. So, Bob has experience, but most of us probably don't have experience in this realm. So I don't know how to handicap it. Why should a fan care about all this? I just think, you know, there's, maybe it doesn't change the future of the sport, but there's certainly a, it does. A big chance it could.

right? Like if the teams are successful, certainly the model that NASCAR has now probably changes in some way. And, you know, it's very difficult for me to try to understand how that would happen. Like do they start to, you know, break up? If they really think NASCAR is a monopoly, do they try to break that up? Like, do they make NASCAR sell the tracks and then operate it independently as a sanctioning body or, you know, how does that work? I don't think any of us know. And I don't really think the teams have exactly laid out what they're seeking out of all this, too. Like they've laid out the case of why they're upset, but we also don't know what their end goal is. It's money. Sure. Well, that's a simple. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Here's what I wish could happen in a very amicable way. And it can't because we're to the point we're suing one another. Teams need more money to hire the best drivers. And the ARCA model has turned into the truck model, has turned into the Xfinity series model. And what I mean by that is, you know, take a prominent team in the Xfinity series right now. They're most likely not out there selling sponsorship and signing a driver. They're signing drivers that are bringing four plus million dollars.

However they come up with it, whether it's family money, whether it's they found the partners. But if you don't have money, you do not race. And what I want to see in the Cup series especially, and even the lower series, the best driver get the best opportunity. and that's a struggle right now. And the top 20 rides in Cup aren't being rented yet. But the bottom 15, you're required to bring some money. And not long ago when we all got into this, I mean, there was maybe like one or two drivers

that were bringing money for Cup. And you'd be like, and you'd see what was starting to happen in the lower series. And you'd be like, oh, man, I hope this doesn't get to Cup someday. And it's creeping, it's creeping. And you certainly don't want a series at the top level of NASCAR where every ride is bought and it's based on sponsorship. You want the old model of like, hey, we're a team.

We think this is the best guy. We want to go out and get this guy because this is going to help us win. And we just have to try to convince our sponsor this is the right guy rather than like, who's out there. Hey, you got some money. You got some money. You know, that's, I don't think that's the best way to have your sport going. It's not healthy. Yeah.

Yeah. It's shifting gears to. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't mean to talk about. Oh, no. This is, I mean, this is something we'll be talking about. for a while and obviously it's not something that's going to go away either.

Shifting gears to Martinsville. Championship four is set for all three series. What do you all think of who will be going to? Well, I think first we got to talk about Blaney. You know, what an unbelievable race he had last night. I told you all he was going to win. Yeah, I mean, I picked him. I knew, you know, like it's this, he was so good on a long run.

You'd see, like the Hendrick car seemed like they got away early in the short run. The five, the nine, the 24 were all pretty strong early in runs. but you could just see Blaney. He'd restart, I don't know, six, the eighth every time and just 30, 40 laps in the run. Here he comes. And, you know, he,

you were the only one that really were able to hold him off early, the six car, you know, the, you know, mid part of the race, I'll know, stage two. You were the only one he couldn't pass, really.

Everybody else, he kind of, you know, was able to drive up there and get around. So really shout out to them. They went out and performed when it mattered and sucks that it's overshadowed by all the other stuff that happened. But he did a, he did a really,

really good job last night. Here's one thing I want to say to that, Freddie is last week I sat on here he made the dumbest decision he's ever made in a race by giving redik his right rear and losing the race and he basically had a walk off moment of no I didn't I'm still a championship four so I think that's part of the story too and like you said it did get overshadowed by a bunch of stuff that happened after I mean this is one of the great clutch performances that we've seen and and again it's it's kind of funny because you know bell ends up getting eliminated and bell uh had a similar clutch performance. They also got overshadowed at Martinsville because that was the

Hail Melon race. That's what everybody was talking about from that race. But yeah, this is like, this to me is like Blaney's great moment. I mean, yeah, he won the championship last year. That's awesome. But this was like a real next level of like grittiness and guts. And, you know, especially after Homestead, like you said, that could have been the demoralizing moment where, I mean, because it sounded like, you know, the air was taking. out of everybody's balloon there because, I mean, that was totally deflating, right? And to come back and dig deep and find something to go do that, I mean, yeah, I mean, I was listening to the podcast, right? Like, you called it where you're saying how well he wraps the bottom and he never makes

a mistake and all that stuff, but still to go out and perform and execute when everybody is trying to do the same thing, that's tremendous. So that was a, that is a big notch in his belt. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all that he went and did that there. He's gotten, he's probably the most confident driver that I've seen at Martinsville now. Like he just goes and he's annoying how good he can, it's annoying how good he can just roll that bottom and just be there. Lap after lap after lap. And he's just done it for probably two years now.

He's been really good there. So kind of, but you're right though. Everything has to go your way. There's still, you know, a bad pit stop. The wrong strategy. You know, an accident in front of you or something. and it's pretty easy to get caught up and stuff because at some point,

you're going to be in the pack at some point, depending, you know, strategy is going to put you back further than what you probably want to be. And he still got through all that. So, you know, a great race for Blaney. And them guys, you know, walk off, like you said, now we're going to one of his other best tracks. So, I mean, the season ends,

and I've said this before, the season ends almost perfectly for Blaney. Because I think the last three, four races are pretty much some of his three best tracks. Do we see him going back to back? I think it could easily happen. I think that Martinsville is arguably the hardest race track we have on schedule. And even though the corner speeds are the slowest, that's kind of what makes it that way. Those curbs, heavy braking car control.

I mean, we saw yesterday at the end of the race, guys on older tires, man, they were really slipping and sliding around. So you couldn't be coming out of a spot to be at a higher point. I mean, he finished the second last week, first this week. Momentum's there. The other thing is the guys he's passing are guys that need to win. You know, it's not like it's just guys out there. You know, like a lot of times we talk about it. You know, like, you know, some guys, you know,

you're racing guys that need to win the race. And they're doing everything. They can't obviously hold them off and they can't do it. You know, he was just that good at the end of that race. Yeah. He's so good at rolling the bottom there. And honestly, you know, he was a little bit better than us. And, you know, it was, I thought, I mean, we held him off for longer than I thought we were going to.

So, but Blaney, you know, he just, it's just, he's so persistent on the bottom. It's like as soon as you have that one slip-up, he's there. So, but yeah, congrats to them guys and big win. I don't know that he goes back to back. I know we'll talk about this later, but he's certainly going to have a shot. And that is really remarkable when you just think about this format, right? Like this format came along as sort of an answer to Jimmy, in my opinion, to try to prevent people from going back to back. And nobody's done it.

It hasn't happened yet. And even making the championship four twice in row, as good as a season as you can have is really hard. I mean, look at the guys who missed. I mean, Larson is the driver of the year. He's not in it. Bell, I mean, he would have been my easy championship pick. If today he had made it, we would have sitting here,

oh, yeah, Bell's going to win the championship. He's, you know, he's not in it. Chase Elliott is the number one driver this year in average finish. He's not in it. Denny obviously could get it done. I mean, the guys that are out, seem like a better group in some ways than the guys that are in. But it's that hard to make the championship four because you basically in the system

have to win in that round, except if you're the points leader, which Byron was. And he barely made it. So man, it's like, yeah, I mean,

the fact that we're even talking about somebody going back to back is, is kind of crazy. But he could absolutely do it. I just, it seems kind of wide open now because I don't know how to handicap Phoenix in particular. Just, just touching on one of the guys that you mentioned there. Kyle Larson misses the final four because of the Indy 500.

He missed by seven points. Is that the- Yeah, but he's got to blame Tyler. I guess. What? Yeah. That was five points. And you don't think he's going to get any stage points in that race.

You don't think he's going to, you know, he's missing the race. You know, that was, it was seven points, wasn't it? I mean, it was. Seven points, but he would have gotten five playoff points. So he would have, I mean, maybe if he had won two of the stages. Yeah. Okay. You know, the race is another three.

Yeah. You know, like, so we talked about it and not coming back to Biden. them, but that's essentially the difference. That leads to a question, you know, you've talked about a little bit on the tear down, but this playoff, playoff format, drivers like that missing the playoffs. And ultimately, the best driver doesn't always win the championship now. I mean, looking at what happened yesterday, do you envision there being changes now after everything NASCAR is dealing with?

I don't think NASCAR has ever changing this thing. I think, I mean, the first thing, Elton Sawyer said when he came in last night to talk to the media was to praise the race in the playoff format and say how exciting it was. So even, you know, and certainly after Homestead, they've got good reason to. And I'm like, all right, well, they got a point there. And then after, you know, you see yesterday and you're like, ooh, I hate how this turned out. You know, just it kind of gives you the ick. And the system creates this. Yeah. Well, Brett Keselowski tweeted last night. I'm sure you saw a T.J. Somebody said, this is a disaster. The key partner system is really

the culprit of it all. And Kozlowski tweeted and said, this should be the last straw on the camel's bag for the playoffs. What does that mean? I just think everyone's figuring out they're pushing further. I mean, everyone's pushing more and more to try to get finishes that they want. I mean,

I think it's, you know, we saw it at Talladega. Don't push them, get off of him. I think there's just things that are happening more and more that are changing the outcomes of the race and people are going to keep doing it until something happens.

But what is, is Brad referring to NASCAR or what the teams are doing. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'd have to ask him what he's, what he means by it. But I mean,

we're seeing more things done. And there's, we saw things. I mean, who knows what, you know, what your take is on it. But there was things yesterday that could have been.

Like I said, Talladega. I mean, and me and you were talking before the show. Like, you know, 15 years ago, you know,

if, if, if, Dale Jr. was pushing Clint or Clint was pushing Dell Jr. They, they were going to try to finish first and second or beat each other at the line. didn't matter like it didn't it just didn't matter like and they got out and everyone you know high

five talked about it went to the next race and you did it again you know and now it's there's just some i mean there's so much more to it but couldn't this happen in a previous i mean 2013 wasn't this playoff format and stuff like this happened to you know make the chase um and even if it was like okay let's say even if it was a season long points format and there was a close battle with two races to go or whatever and you're talking about guys giving up positions or try not to get past or whatever it is like that could still happen i don't know that it's that it's look i'm i'll be anti-playoffs when necessary but i don't know that this in particular applies to this format in particular you know what i'm saying because i think it could happen in any type of system absolutely i think the problem

lies with meetings and me and tj talked about this before the race with meetings that take place prior to the race. It's in this scenario, we need this to happen. And then I'm not at full fault for, I'm not in for you blaming and putting fault on people that are doing their jobs. Because if a soldier goes in the fight, he's doing whatever the general tells him. And yesterday, I think there's going to be a lot of people that had bad intent to mess with the integrity of the playoff championship four. I don't think there's any denying that. And I think what NASCAR chooses to say,

we know what the intent was here, whether it's Freddie coaching him on how far behind Christopher Bell is behind Bubba, or it's, you know, the one spotter saying, hey, he's won to the good. And then another guy, I don't remember if it was on Channel 1 or Channel 2, hey, do they know the plan? Well, there's not supposed to be a plan.

You're supposed to go race and you're supposed to go get the best finish you can get. And that's what TJ, I think, is alluding to. And I had a lot of friends last night from all over the country text to me. Not really asking me my opinion. They really were saying, this sucks. But what do you, okay. Well, how do we, how does NASCAR solve this?

What could NASCAR do to make sure this doesn't happen? Because they can't go in the meetings with the manufacturer and say, all right, you guys can't do this. I mean, I thought Joel Edmonds had a good idea. What? Jordan kind of. Are you feeling okay? Next week's guest, Jeff's doing a promo for us.

Here we go. He tweeted that maybe it's time for the spotters to not be able to tell the drivers about the points position of other. You know, maybe you could still tell your driver, hey, you're in or out by this many. But if they could say to you guys, hey, you can't tell your driver, this guy needs this in many points or this guy's out. I mean, maybe that does it. I don't know. But how can NASCAR? I can tell you that won't stop it.

So what, so what, how can this be? What's the solution here? What could NASCAR say to you, Freddie, to have a different outcome than they got at the end of the race? You know what I'm saying? But I thought I didn't do anything wrong. In that same scenario, then, Brett, since you're not really biased towards one or the other.

I'm 100% biased. Well, you've been in this situation, Brett. I mean, what? I've been I work for RCR this year. I'm biased. So obviously. I'll admit it. Obviously, this is the one sport where there are so many different factors that can be

manipulated. If you were Elton Sawyer and NASCAR, how would you handle it knowing that there are so many different variables to it? Well, the first thing I wouldn't do to make a decision post-races, I wouldn't have took 30 minutes. I think in two minutes you can establish that Bell broke a rule and he's out. And it's unfortunate for him because he literally, and I hate to jump ahead this far, but he's my one, what an idiot. Because if he makes that corner and he doesn't wall ride on the exit of that corner, he has put NASCAR in one hell of a bad spot that I would. would not want to be in that spot a million times over and have to figure out how are we going to navigate what just happened here. But Bell save the day on them. To your point, though, Casey,

like that the radio chatter has always been a thing. And there was a point where we had private radio chatter, where nobody could hear what we were saying. And then after Richmond, that was taken away. And then that way NASCAR can hear everything this being said on channel two and channel one. and, you know, to Joel's point, we're going to come up with code words. We're going to figure out a way to, the driver's going to have sticky notes on his dash. Like, there's going to be ways to navigate that kind of stuff. To fix it, we didn't really have anything happen that was blatant after the whole Richmond debacle for a long time until Cole Custer did it a few years ago.

And I think, you know, it was 11 years ago whenever the thing happened at Richmond with the MWR deal. And Clint was never proven to have done anything wrong there. he despite what you think you can't prove he wrecked on purpose what got him was was ty norse's comments on the radio with brian vickers but nonetheless they find every car they took points from every car they it was a big deal essentially it put mw out of business so when you come in and you make those types of fines and points it gets people's attention because if the 23 gets hit and i'm not saying he will but if he gets hit with a 200 point penalty today that's going to take a lot of money

out of their pocket. And at the end of the day, Toyota's still going to have a car out, you know, and Chevrolet's still going to have a car in. And it's, man, it's fickle. It's, it's a lot. Well, on a similar note, we'll get to more details of this later. But NASCAR made the call to go green at one point during the race when there was a tire loose on track. What do you guys think of that one? That was my one, an idiot until Christopher Bell did what he did. Because the tire comes off going into turn three. And I didn't take a timer and figure out how many seconds it was. But you have the ability from the tower to see the whole track for one.

For two, you have corner spotters out there. That should have never went back green. And they have done this before. Cautions back out. We're not going green and everybody starts screaming because we don't want anybody to say green flag and we have a big wreck out there. Right. So, Freddie, in my mind, that was just a visual.

The, and, you know, what happens, we hear it, you know, multiple, times on the radio. T.J. saw it, I'm sure. I don't know if it was on TV or not. They're going into three. As soon as it eight turns off into three, the tire rolls across the racetrack. And I'm like, oh, somebody just lost a tire. A couple of hours talked about it on their in car. Like you could hear them talk about it. And we still broadcast at the time, because it was maybe two rows in front of us. Yeah. I said, somebody just lost a tire. Just maybe bounced down and come down and hit us. But I was watch somebody, somebody, at the time, I didn't even know who it was. Like, it's hard to tell. You know, same thing. So I'm like,

somebody in the front of you who's lost a tire, just be heads up here. But I mean, where the leader, at that point, the leaders, you know, it's probably, to Brett's point, it's probably five, ten seconds maybe, because the leaders, the leaders, that's a lot. Oh, it is for sure. But the problem is when you hear it, even when you hear debris caution get called in, tower, you know, turn, you know, tower, all right, what, turn to here, uh, we got a piece of debris. Is it in the racing groove? You know, like, so unless Berman, who was calling the race, I think yesterday, sees it, right at it, is looking right at it and goes, oh, there it is, right there. I see it, you know, put it out real quick. That, that, you know, it probably should

have happened, but it didn't. And I don't, you know, it's saying, he's probably watching the leaders making sure the resource are legit. Because you, you know, anytime you go back and listen to the race director during your restarts, it's, you know, pulled them, you know, get the front row even. Yeah. Stop. Stop. Stop. You're, you know, that's where he should be looking, in my opinion. If something happens, though, it's just a, you're, I mean, it's got to be. I mean, it's tough, but it is quick. It's not like it was, you know, it fell off down a backstretch and we rolled rolled all the way around a corner. The leaders were, probably passed easily past a halfway mark at the corner when it happened.

So, and it's unfortunate that it did happen the way it did. It worked out great for us. We were a lucky dog. We just took the green and rolled. But, uh, you know,

that was, it was really, really unfortunate. The restart never should have honestly counted. Like, I don't, I don't think the restart should have counted. You,

and I mean, even probably you getting a lucky dog. The thing should just be reset how it was. You have to race back for it because essentially you got a free, free pass. Oh, yeah. Nothing.

You know, you know, I'm not the lead change of the race from that too. We lost a spot. We screwed our next year. Blaney lost two spots, I think. Yeah. But the,

what do you do? You went green. You know, you can't change the wording in your rule. You know, you went green and then you went yellow. When the yellow comes out, if you don't go green right there,

there's a huge stack up the start, finish line and probably a wreck. And here's what I think TV did a great job of yesterday. Is the only scoring loop you cleared under green was a scoring loop at start finish and not even everybody cleared that one. So how do you know? The next scorn loop was all the way in turn one. So it's a rule that you.

You have, everybody has to pass that. No. So let me ask you this. That can't be right. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, but that, that can't stand because you did. You got guys in three and four that are still trying to catch up because it takes forever to choose there. And if you're trying to get a free pass, who knows if you chose a different, you know, lane than the other guy and you're trying to get caught up and they score him in front of you

because you're cleaning your tires off a little bit longer or something, you're not caught up. He gets scored in front of you because of what loop? yeah it's the same it's really no different than you know to say the leader misses a shift and gets turned to the inside the yellow's coming out immediately i mean it's the same rule you know you went green and the yellow came right out it's the same rule whether the only spotters saw there was a tire loose before you were i would assume all of them yeah i'd say but freddie like we all watch dirt races where they they wave the green flag and the director didn't like it and they go no no yeah but they go back to previous laps there's a whole different scoring model there you know you're just you're calling me starts back. We don't ever do that. If somebody jumps. It's a record that start, finish line. It should literally just go back to the last before that we're never done it that way. Never done that. But it should they. It'd be easier though. You should see the tire. I'm sorry. You should see the tire.

I know that's a whole thing to say, but you, if 40 spotters saw the tire, and I'm not saying they all did, but with the people you have in the booth, somebody should have saw the tire. Well, it's the same thing. It goes back to the conversation of the Roval where they didn't have a spotter in the turn where Honeyman got buried or whatever. You know what though, Brett? What if it does, what if the tire comes off, you know, exiting four, though,

and still only half the field get a cross-star finish line. You can still have the same scenario, not enough time to see the tire. So this scenario could still exist, even if they see the tire. And they're going to have to put that in the rulebook. They have the right to weigh off the caution after they've already thrown the green. Oh, this rulebook's already so long.

They once you, I'm with Freddie on this. Once you throw the green, you can't undo the green. You have to go until you get the caution. Okay. But if 36 spotter stood up there and said, there's a tire loose in three,

we're still coming to the green. Green, green, green, green, green, there's your problem. I mean, it's a tough. It's a tough scenario. I don't think, I don't know that they even noticed the tire because they didn't throw the yellow until the eight, like, darted out of line and the right front was off the car or left from whatever side.

That's when it became noticeable. TV, TV highlighted it before. Yeah. And that's, I'm just saying. Like, yeah. TV's like, oh, there's a tire. Yeah. It was, I mean, it was, we were running probably, I don't know.

I would say 18th, 16th, 18th around there. So we're, you know, mid-pack. And it was a couple rows in front of us. And it just, I mean, it was clear as day. It must have been whenever he turned off into three, maybe he started scrubbing his tires, it took off up the hill. And there was cars moving to move it.

You know, I think it was, SVG was the one that was right behind it. Like, he had a check up and he sat on the radio, somebody just lost a tire. I bet, I'll bet that the front 10 spotters in the top 10 there probably didn't see it right away because you're not looking back there at all. when you're in the top 10.

Yeah, if you were in front of it, you probably didn't see it. Yeah, you're not, there's no reason for you to look back there, so you don't care what's going on back there. And I didn't, I didn't look until the eight started moving. And that was,

you know, I don't have any reason to look back there. So, you know, did you see it come off or you just saw that. I didn't know it came off right away. I mean, I was looking up right at us,

trying to see the gaps and trying to time our run to play offense and make sure we didn't get, you know, three wide at the start, finish line. So, yeah, I didn't see it come off when it,

when it happened. But if you're in the ballpark of it, you're going to see it. If you're within three, four rows of it, you're probably going to see it there. But it's just now, like you said, the race director who was Berman yesterday, is watching the front row, making sure that nobody's playing games. He's not the only one up there. You're about saying you're relying, now you're relying on somebody telling you and then you. And then he's got to look. Yeah, you got to look and find it. Are you saying that two people should be able to call the yellow then? I'm saying if Felton Sawyer is sitting beside him and he says, put it out. Tim Berman's got to hit the ball. button. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, they're very lucky in the sense that it actually didn't change

because, so Blaney lost two spots. He ended up winning the race. So he's, you know, at the time he was livid on the radio. He should have been. And, you know, it worked out for him because he didn't and also the lead changed where Larson had passed Byron. And then that didn't change the outcome ultimately because Byron ended up making it. So, but imagine if that moment actually changes the final four. Yeah, but I mean, you can't really go by that. No, no, no, I'm just saying in hindsight, they got kind of fortunate that, you know, that it wasn't a bigger topic is what I'm saying. This is not directed at NASCAR. This is directed at Major League Sports, including NCAA across the country. Officiating this year has been tough at some points. And I don't care if it's NFL, MLB.

Oh, the NFL is. I mean, listen, it's easy for us to sit here and be couch racers and be Monday morning quarterbacks and be all the things because we have all the tools. But in real time, it's hard. But in real time, it's why it's so important to get it right. And I hope that they go back on their Tuesday debrief and they say, we have to change how we approach a restart here. Jeff, you have this, you have this, and it all be from the booth. So this is cohesive.

So you don't have to delay the Freddie mention where it's somebody calling it in and then they got to find it. Like, it's got to say, be where we trust each other. And if Jeff Klux says put it out, I immediately hit the button. And then we figure out why. I wonder if there's,

you know, they just probably, there's probably tools out there too. And the technology will get better. I mean, you look at what they do in like tennis now with the ball on the line and soccer and all that stuff. And that's what's frustrating for me as a competitor in this sport is when the caution comes out with all the SMT data that we have. Why are we still relying on scoring loops? I want the caution to be real time.

And TJ and I beat each other up on here about it for it and against it because we were laughing about it on here because it happened to me. The next week it happened to TJ and he come down to me fussing about it. I'm like, this is why I'm telling you it has to be real time. I think we could chat cup racing all day. Let's quickly chat Xfinity series chant for Algeyer, Custer, Hill, and Allmendinger will be going for the championship in Phoenix. What do you guys think about that?

Who's your pick? I think, I feel like I say this every year and it never comes to fruitition. How about this? For once you don't pick him. We just don't pick him. And you pick somebody else. I'll pick somebody else.

I will take Cole Custer. just because I like Cole and his WWF appearance was the highlight of my week a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully doesn't have a black eye. I think he's going to be okay on that. Who else you guys got? I'm picking customer than asterisk. I think Amundinger is a surprise guy in here. I mean, just stating obvious.

But the reality is he's had the longest time to prepare for it too. So you got to think they're all hands on deck to have good speed there. and I mean, Hill and Amadinger out of the same stable, out of the same campus. And I think this is a great championship four lineup. Like, I think it's going to be exciting. Jeff. I'm picking Custer. I think Al-Gar might go there and be fastest, but, you know, something seems to happen

to them a lot. Every week. But he and Phoenix was, I mean, Algar's race. I know that that's his track in some ways, right? Like, but so we say, but he can ever get us. I mean, we don't pick all guys. I'm not. I'm simply picking him because of that reason.

I'm going to go with Custer as well. Brett, we talked about this before and I think the broadcast mentioned this. Financially, what does it mean not having a JGR car in the champ four for Cup and Xfinity? Well, first of all, it's a surprise that they don't have a car in the champ four. You know, I mean, you look at Shelton, Creed and Chandler. were the only two there that were, you know, obviously eligible. Creed for whatever reason couldn't win a race save his life. What do you have eight seconds or something like that?

Chandler won early, but he didn't win, you know, when it mattered here late. Obviously, he had some speed. But, I mean, listen, JGR's already sold out for next year. So when you say, what does it mean? It means they lose a little bit of money this year and a potential point fund. But they've also got Eric Amarola sitting there. I think is he still in the champ for it in the owner's side. That's where the money's at, right?

So they're probably not crying over spilled milk here. and I'm on the driver. Again, they got three sold out cars for next year and they're working on the fourth. So you're talking about $20 plus million dollars. I think they'll be fine. Who's that fourth? No, Freddie knows more than I do about that. The fourth car?

I don't really know, honestly. Yeah. I don't know if it's a one driver or multiple drivers. Yeah. Do you know? Gluck. I mean, gluck. I can call me about last week.

I don't know. When I told Elliot who it is, he's like, that dude's a hell of a modified driver and an awesome go car racer. And I was like, yeah. Oh, interesting. Anyway. All right. I do think that Casey, that's, even though they, they are in contention for owners for

Xfinity, that is pretty crazy. If you would have told me at the beginning of the year, JGR is going to Phoenix with no championship four drivers in Xfinity or Cup. Like, what? Yeah. Like, that would be insane. Or even halfway through the year, even if a month ago. We'll probably talk about this a little bit, but knowing coach cannot.

protest this call. What do you guys think about that, considering RCR previously has protested? I mean, it was a, to me, that was an in-race violation. So you can't protest in-race violations. You can't get that overturned. It wasn't a penalty that you could appeal or something like that, right? So it's just, ride the wall.

He's, well, here's the argument is that. And dirt racing would be okay. And the argument is that he wasn't making a pass while doing it. And that he, I mean, he kind of basically put himself in the wall or wrecked himself, right? But while trying to make the pass at the end. But does the rule say he did ride the wall? In my opinion, he rode the wall and that and they made the right call. So I'll say that.

But yeah, their contention is that they didn't. But does the rule say that when you ride the wall, you have to improve your position? The rule doesn't say anything. There's no wall ride rule period. Right. You can't. They just decided to class it. They just said, all right, we're now going to put wall riding under safety violation.

So I wreck it tell the day. coming to the checker flag and we're up against the wall and we just stay in a wall and cross our finish line are we dequeed uh i would think no why because you were part of a wreck and i mean i to me in that i'm not i saw bell actually drove or drive the corner and get loose and chase it up there and then martins with a tight corner when you hit the wall it's going to be super hard to get off of it when you're already there so i don't think i think they're two completely different scenarios, Ross shifted gears and gained speed into the corner. One had already slowed down and got loose and was trying to make, and was trying to make something happen, but just messed up and had no

choice but to, you know, try to finish it off there. So I don't think he shouldn't have been penalized. I just think there's a difference in the two scenarios. And, you know, I don't. There's a big difference in two scenarios. So if you're in NASCAR, you don't penalize, though. I don't think he went in there. Did he gain anything by it? No. Okay. Well, I mean, well, he, I guess he could have lost potentially if he doesn't stay it it felt like he stayed in the gas once he hit the wall to try to make the finish so to me he got past bowman passed him yeah when he did so he lost ground yeah but yeah but i mean he lost ground he lost ground i didn't see ross lose any ground from the end of the back stretch all the way to the start finish line and he gained the entire like

i said ross shifted gears i mean the guy's crazy so i mean he literally shifted gears to hit a wall the guy's nuts yeah but he made it work that's why it took 27 or 20 or 30 minutes or whatever it was. Yeah, but I did see. What would your vote be loose? So we're split. I think you have to penalize them. I think it's much different.

I don't think it's anything even remotely close to what Ross did. But again, if you give us an inch, we're going to take 10 miles, you know, and somebody's going to intentionally, unintentionally do it. And you know what I mean? So if he got on the wall, he throttled up trying to maintain speed on exit, wasn't nowhere near as fast as what Ross did. But I think you have to penalize them because if you don't, now we're going to figure out ways to manipulate that rule of, all right, you just can't commit on entry.

You got to do it in the center and drive up and hit the wall in the middle. Then you can throttle up and ride it. What if somebody runs into the back of them and sends them up there and then he throttles up? Is it still a penalty? I think it's still a penalty. Like the way they want to call it. You know, and you're, and I mean, the only place that's really relevant is probably

places like there, maybe Darlington, maybe. homestead. Yeah. You know, a lot of places, Phoenix, yeah. Like, a lot of places, it's too long away around. It's not, you're going to scrub too much speed, I think. I think it would work at Phoenix. Yeah, for sure.

If you don't penalize him right here, then you got a world of shit to figure out. Oh, yeah. That's another thing. I mean, it does, it does close the door on any funny business. Like, look, you can't do it at all now. Like, now we've, if you say he didn't wall ride, he wins a tiebreaker, he's in, Byron's out. Holy world of shit.

But looking at it. No, I get it. Listen, there's only one person in this whole scenario. Unlike what Freddie says, I disagree. There's one person in this whole scenario that didn't do anything wrong. William Byron. Yeah. Chris Finale did something wrong.

He rode a wall. That's his own fault. He shouldn't have done that. I mean, he made it, as you mentioned earlier, Brett, he made it easy for them, easier for them to make that call because, and I asked Eldon'soy this last night in the press conference. So, because they made it clear that that's, they said in the tower for that, 27 minutes. The only thing they looked at was whether he rode the wall or not. They did not look at the 23. They did not look at the three or the one. They did not look at any of that step. All they

were focused on was this. So I said, okay. So just to be clear, so if he doesn't do the wall ride there, he's in, he doesn't lose that spot, even though the 23 seemed to cede a position there. Like that's, that's okay. But he said, well, that's hypothetical. So, yeah. Yeah. But I'm glad they're driving by it. I'm glad that that's, hey, you rode the wall. TV did a phenomenal job of breaking down everything as it was going on during that 30 minutes. We were waiting around to see, you know, who was in and who was out. And who didn't wait 30 minutes? This guy.

You were out. I was out. I have a, this is probably an unfair question. But it seemed to me, like, I, the whole time I was watching Bell's face when he gets out of the car. You know, he got out of a car with like a grim. face, right? He did. And I, it, it seemed to me like he was like, yeah, they're probably not going to let this stand. You know, they probably, I rode the wall that. I was saying that in my head to myself. So then I was kind of surprised that they were, that's what I thought. But then they said afterwards, well, that,

I didn't do it on purpose. And Adam Stevens was really mad about it. And they tried to protest, you know, Gibbs tried to protest it in the hauler. But if Bell fought, hey, I didn't do that on purpose. Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, you have the wrong idea. He should have been jumping up and down. He should have been going, he should have left his car and go to the hall and say, hey, whatever you guys think happened. That was not a wall ride. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, there was none of that.

So you're reading his body language. You felt that's what I felt. So maybe that's unfair for me to say. But why wasn't he, if he felt like that wasn't intentional and he didn't mean to do that to gain positions, how come he wasn't out there screaming about it? He didn't mean to do it.

He got into the wall because he got loose because he was trying so hard to get by Bubba. He didn't mean to get loose that part. But once he got there, he meant to, I got to finish. I got to get to start finished. Yeah. Of course he's going to do that.

How do you get there? You match the gas. By that point, you don't match a break and turn left off the wall. Had they already said that it was under review by that point? I think he figured. I don't think he, I don't think they told them anything, those guys on Pitt Road staying there for 20. I think they just knew like, hey, this is what they're looking at. They're looking at the whole finish probably.

They probably figured, like, I thought they were looking at the entire entirety of the finish at the time. That would take days. Yeah. Well, that's why I thought it took 27 minutes. Because like you said, if they were just looking at the wall ride, that doesn't seem like that. Do you think they were just looking at the wall ride up there for 27 minutes? I think they were looking at the wall ride is our way out. Yeah.

Yeah. I do think that that put them in a position where they say, all right, listen, guys, whatever happened, if we can answer this one question, that solves all our other problems for now. We can penalize later during the week. But if we can determine this was a rule broken, game over and we can punt this to Tuesday. I agree. I think they're looking like, hey, was anything black? did anything black and white right here. And the only thing that stood out was,

you know, Bell's deal. But you look at the other stuff because something was black and right, you know, right there where you can say, hey, this happened. You're out. I think the call's made there. But like he said, I mean, it's going to take a couple days to go back and look. So I hate this scenario even exists. So it's a bummer that that's what we're talking about now. Anyways, we're going to take a quick break. Come back and chat spot on, spot off. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Spot on. Yeah, spot on.

It was super fun yesterday to ride around there. I am spot off. Damn. Where did he come from? Spot on, spot off. Multiple teams and manufacturers were accused of race manipulation after Dylan and Chastine created a Chevy blockade

to aid Byron. And Bubba slowed down to allow Bell by a buy which forced NASCAR officials to make a call on who was eligible for the championship four. Spot on, spot off, Jeff. Well, obviously, this is about as spot off as it gets.

But it's, you know, I argued with Jordan about this on the tear down last night. I thought the Bubba part of it was worse than the Chevy blockade. We had a lot of people in our live stream on YouTube who I could see were very much. You aren't stuck behind it. It sucked. They were very much disagreeing with me and handing out a lot of Ls as people do. on social media now, lots of L's for me in the chat. And, and, but you know, to me it's like if you are slowing down to give a position,

that is changing a point where I think it's, yes, this looked really bad with the Chevy drivers, but we've seen it more in the past where, you know, I'm not going to pass this guy. I mean, that's sort of been throughout history. I mean, this is, I mean, how many times have we seen back in the day? I mean, like, oh, you know, Hornaday is going for the truck title. KHI is going to enter some extra trucks just to me you know that used I mean they used to be thing now this looked pretty bad and they should have passed and I think there actually should be penalties for them but I think the Bubba part of it was worse than the Chevy part of it um I think both were bad um the whole

thing stinks right like I don't think there's any winners in that um it was a bad look it was ugly but um yeah I mean let me ask you this um and maybe tj is the better one to ask taking out whatever you think happened to the 23, how many points did that effect? One. The blockade behind Byron saved him. How many positions, DJ? Oh, he was struggling.

I mean, not passing him, that's probably three, four spots because there was three cars. So if four guys go by Byron right there. At least two to three. There's a matter if the 23 flips over down the backstretch. Whatever happens with the 23 is a mute point because these guys just lined up in. saved Byron at least there's four guys

too wide behind him just riding there. I've never seen two cars side by side. It's three Chevys and you're blocked in where you can't get there. Lugano's right there. He can't go anywhere. The 10's running you down. Host of Rwood to pass him. A host of Rwood. You're saving Byron five positions there, I think, at least.

If it all plays out the same way and you give Bell a wall riding penalty, how many spots that cost them? Four. Even with that penalty, Byron is still out because you guys, those guys saved him five positions. So no matter what you think happened with the 23, and I'm happy to talk about there in a minute,

you can't say it's more egregious than what happened with the Chevy's, because the Chevy saved him multiple points. And at the end of the day, if everything plays out exactly the same and you give the 20 the same penalty, the 20 is still in because of the amount of points they saved the 24. So to me, it's very easily, and you hear on the radio, they're plainly talking about it. We have a plan.

We're not going to pass it. Here's the plan. Does he know the plan? But it's clear to the day that they manipulated the race, and it's way more egregious than anything that happened on the 23 card. Brett. Well, you don't mean to respond to Freddie or the question? I was, I, I, all of it.

Freddy just went on a five-minute rant. He made my blood pressure go up just listening to it. He got so excited. What he's talking about is a hypothetical because that's not what happened in real time at the end of the race. Unfortunately, on the last lap, on the last lap, Byron is is at one point one point up coming to the start finish line and then it ends up being a tiebreaker. So like I hear him and I don't disagree with anything he said, but it's kind of like Ellen Sawyer.

It's a hypothetical because nobody passed him. So I was sitting there watching it in real time waiting on Brad to get impatient and dive three wide to the bottom and just go. And he never did. So I'm not saying about anything wrong. But like you're as you're watching this on TV, you're like, like, man, is everybody just slipping aside and all of a sudden? And I'm not, this is not, I don't think it by no means did anything wrong. Watch your mouth. Not that did anything wrong.

Brad can't do that because you know why? If something happens, he goes three wide and brings out a caution, who's that for? Blaney. Yeah, that's a good point because Lugano was continuously told. 12's leading. We don't need to be a caution. 12's leading. We don't want a caution.

So, yeah, you'd screw a Ford teammate by knocking guys out of the way if you did that. Yeah, and I don't necessarily know that. And I don't think Brad's not that type. Like at the end of the race like that, he's not going to tear up a bunch of race cars for, you know, for ninth spot or right there. That's just not worth it. The spotters are right or wrong.

The spotters are giving the drivers real-time scoreboard information. Period. The one's getting it. The three's getting it. The 23's getting it. They're getting gaps. They're getting everything. And people are making decisions based,

on that. Let me ask you a question. You listen to my audio, I assume, I would hope, by now. I was to it last night on TV. Okay. So you didn't listen to audio. You just listen to whatever they played on television. The way I spotted the last, I don't know, that whole stage, I would assume, is no different than I spot any other race.

There's no, the next car behind us was the 20. I'm giving gaps the whole run throughout the entire run. The 20 is a straightaway back. The 20 is however far back. That's what I'm basing off. That's the guy we're racing. That's our next position. If, if, let me take.

let me tell you this and this is a hypothetical question I guess if if we're manipulating the race the second we get lapped now we're the lucky dog the 20 is the guy we're battling for the lucky dog and this happened probably i don't know probably 20 30 to go is when we get lapped by the five i think it was the nine i can't remember who was lean at the time if we're trying to manipulate the race wouldn't it be way smarter of us to do it at that point and give the 20 the lucky dog just in case the caution comes out because if we don't do that now we're the lucky dog the yellow comes out the 20's trapped he can't gain any more spots because now he's on there's nobody on his lap until we all run back around and maybe somebody gets lapped again but if we're if we're trying to manipulate the race the way to do it is

back up to him at that point give him the spot give him the lucky dog so in case the caution comes out you open up all these other opportunities for him to do it it didn't happen when i tell bubba with 10 laps to go that's i'm calling out this and of course nobody wants to talk about this when the five and the nine catch us. I give them their points up. You know, the five and the nine are catching you here. They're split by this gap. They both pretty much need to win here. That's information. The next car is to catch us. The two I think got around us. I forget who was running third as. Oh, Blaney was third of the time. You know, same thing. Giving the gap from Blaney back to them, you know, to those guys. So he knows what he's in the middle of here. The next gap was the 11.

All right. He's not really racing for nothing. He's got to win. He's not going to win. No need to force that. Next guy behind the 11 is a 24. He's a half a straight away back. 24 and the 20 are separated by a point. That's just basic information. The 20 is. is the next spot. That's the guy you're racing. He's a straightaway behind you. That's all information I give on a regular Sunday basis. I don't think you're giving him a points battle on a regular Sunday. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely I do. Why would I give him the five and the nine point battle? Why am I, every week in the playoffs, if you're racing around guys in the playoffs, you're updating your driver of what their scenario is. If you're not, you're not doing your job.

But are you saying your car, your car did not slow down by like over three seconds on the last lap. It's obvious if you watch the video, there's something wrong. He goes in the corner and slides up the hill and gets in the shi he comes back down the racetrack how many times have we seen a guy go up the hill at martinsville get in the marbles and it takes how many laps for them get back going because it needs to get his tires cleaned up you even hear me say on the audio when he goes up the hill the first time make sure you get him cleaned up good he goes in the corner a little bit ginger next time to make sure the same problem the following lap we're back up in the again i think a lap or two later he says i might have a tire going down now we're back up in the and here comes this whole pack of cars

that it's the blockade it's the 24 leading guys that are two by two for three rows we're just getting to the top now. Now we're staying in the to get out of the way. So it's still going to drive like, listen, I don't know, I'm not a mechanic. I don't know if or anything that was wrong with the car, but I can tell you what it looked like. It looked like something was wrong with the car. Don't you think it looks like quite a coincidence

that you say? Oh, absolutely. It's, hey, the 20's out by one point. Oh, the 20's behind you. But my, again, my point. If that's the case, I said that, Jeff, with 10 laps to go. If that's the case, shouldn't that be the trigger? Oh, I better have a problem. No, we run another four or five laps, whatever it was, and then we have an issue.

Of course, yes, it's very suspect. It's very coincidental. But I'm saying, but the point is, if we're doing this to manipulate the race, we would do it a lot earlier to get the 20, the lucky dog. We would do it when I tell him that there's a one point gap. Oh, I better back up here and get the 20th spot. No, that doesn't happen right away. It happens laps later.

So I get it. I completely understand the outrage, but I'm just telling you, there's nothing. You can go back and listen to all audio. There's no, there's no passwords. There's no code words. There's no message to Bubby. You better slow down. we're just, I'm spotting like it doesn't say you know the plan.

It doesn't matter. No, I didn't say you know the plan. A month ago, a guy was told to get off of him, don't push him and the guy lifts to help change the out of a finish of a race. And that was, that was, I mean, fact. And it happened. What's the difference? I think that's a problem. I think it's, there's such a can of worms now that, you know, that that's why I go back to earlier in the show.

How does this be addressed? because you can't have this year after year. And maybe if you didn't have this playoff format, it's a different story, right? Like maybe if it's full season, the amount of times this could happen is lessened. It could still happen in certain scenarios. It could still happen in a 10-race playoff in certain scenarios.

But certainly it's more likely to happen more often given that there's high stakes every three weeks and in a championship and then going into the playoffs, and all the stuff to get people in the playoffs. It's, you've got to figure out a way to sort of safeguard this because the integrity of the sport is at play here. And I'll tell you something else.

I mean, in 2013, I heard that there was like, you know, some sort of funny business potentially that there was concerned about with like sports betting. And that was very early at the time. Now, I mean, I don't know if you, you know anything about that, Brett. I mean, you were involved in that at the time.

But now sports betting is an even bigger thing where you can't have, I mean, There's money on this stuff. There's like big time dollars in Vegas and all these sports books. We're all reading ads for sports. Anything is manipulated? I mean, that's a bad deal.

I mean, do you, I don't, you know, 2013, you were, you had a front row seat to that. I did. And I never heard from anybody. Because I never said anything over Channel 1 about points or who was leading or anything. That's not true. But that was, that was me. that's not true I didn't get contacted by law enforcement

I didn't get contacted by NASCAR I didn't get contacted by my team and I was not in a position where they thought I did anything wrong but to your point this could escalate very quickly and if it does I don't understand how this is worse than actually

telling a guy to not to get off of them don't push them you know when we're at a drafting track like that and the guy lifts to listen in your mind it is it's the same thing because your guy didn't have a chance to win. I'm just saying it doesn't even if it's not my guy. You go back to Richmond, that was the championship.

And you go back to yesterday, this is for the two qualifies for the championship. It shouldn't matter if it's. I realize that. But if you're changing the finish, you're changing the finish. It doesn't matter if it's. And I don't disagree with you. But I mean, this is where if, listen, I hope it doesn't get to the point that you're talking about, Jeff, because I mean, again, everybody has a job to do here.

And then I've talked to multiple people that were involved in this. last night, whether it was potters or crew chiefs or whatever. And we all have a boss. We all have a boss. Just to clarify, you didn't say the 39 is going to win this race. That sucks. I don't, I don't, literally, it was 11 years ago. I just can promise you that nobody came and investigated me. So, by the way, I'm spot off. Yeah. If you all are wondering. I mean, and what's, I mean, what are you guys talking about at that situation? Because obviously, I don't know if you talked about it, but you know what's going on there. Yeah. I mean, you're in the prime position of it. It took me a minute to fit. Because I, I don't,

really honestly didn't care about the points like we were just racing to win and i mean you can see that the entire race blaney i'm pretty sure blaney was getting frustrated at us at one point but what do you want me to do i mean we're still there to win the race and did we do anything wrong no we raced him hard do we have a little bit of conduct yeah i don't know if anybody race anybody for the lead harder than we race blaney you know and those are two same guys going at it but that's a good that's how it's supposed to be. And that's how it doesn't, you got two guys that both want to win this race. Both have

different, different objective, you know, Blaney's trying to run for a championship. We're just trying to win the race. And, you know, we were doing everything we could. And, you know, we got behind the blockade there. And 77, uh, looked like there was a chican every straightaway when we were behind him because he couldn't decide what leaning he was going to go to. And then he got on the outside of us

to pin us down on the corner. We had the three in front of us, over so in the middle and you know just riding I've never seen two cars at Martin's so run side by side and be faster than a car in front of them like you know kind of what freddie was talking about but um you know I don't think going in there and just this is causing a wreck is the right thing to do the higher powers this is this is this is 10 levels above our pay grades yeah without causing a wreck I don't you know I don't think any you know I don't think going through there kind of wish we would have bowled through there and and got positions mass car's going to come in

in here and they're going to rule on intent. Was their intent to manipulate? And that's what they're going to have to rule on. And they're going to have to decide that. But what I hope doesn't happen is the wrong people get penalized from that. But how do you send a message and penalize the right people? Or how do you safeguard the integrity of your competition? Because this is partly on NASCAR in the sense that if you are going to have a championship

format, this is an entertainment-based format, and you have set this up to have big game seven moments. But you, it's your responsibility then that if you're going to have that, you better make sure everything is damn buttoned up. And we've talked about it from the officiating all the way up through this now, where this is not on NASCAR, but it's the teams did something. They need to respond or react to make sure this is, is everybody feels good about it going forward in the future. So there's got to be some, you know, some ownership here from on NASCAR's part where you step in and you go, all right, this is what we're going to do. to make sure that going forward,

everybody knows what the deal is, and you can't do this, because when we're sitting here, going into the championship week, and we're even having a conversation about a races, even in the same sentence as 2013 Richmond,

that ain't good. Yeah. Even, I mean, what about the, you know, the 16, the 16, the Blaney moved the 16 out of the way, and then the 16s lined up behind Blaney, and they tell them on a restart, hey, don't forget what the 12 did to you earlier.

That's a quote unquote, that's a message from Chevrolet. That's the Howard Power, though, that I'm talking about. Did you hear that? I saw the clip of it. Listen, Chevrolet is going into this, into this day, with no teams locked into the final four. Ford is going with one locked in.

Toyota's going in with one locked in. And they all want as many as they can get. Sure. So the key partners here of each manufacturer, which in the case of Toyota is 2311 JGR, obviously Chevrolet is trackhouse, Hendrick RCR, Ford, Pinsky, Roush, etc. right, RFK. But like, that's the most important plan for those manufacturers going into that day is A, to have a seat at the table and B have as many as you can get. I mean, on the, on the, the, the, the Basso guy that posts all the in-car cameras,

he has the, he had a compilation of the Austin Dillon audio from the whole race. And as Austin Dillon's like sitting on pit road to start the race, they're like, hey, make sure like those Hendrick cars today be, you know, take care of them kind of stuff. Like, you know, it's like all the way through. I mean, you're talking about the pre-race meetings that go on, certainly. And so, again, like, I, I just want to feel like coming out of this, some progress is made toward putting safeguards in place to try to come up with, because the worst thing you could do is say, well, we penalize this guy, you know, we gave, Cole Custer, Mike Schiplett got suspended

indefinitely. They got $100,000 fine. Cole Custer got 50 points. And that was just for giving Chase Briscoe's spot going to the backstrap. chican at the rober. Yeah, but that was also some of the dumbest radio chatter I've ever heard in my life. Like that was

somebody on the box telling the driver, you've got a flat, slow down. Like, you know, that was pretty egregious of telling him what to do and what, you know, so I think that's where that penalty got to say you know the deal. So if there's no smoking gun on the radio you don't think it can penalize.

I mean, what there's, there's nothing common sense? I don't know. Well, it's common sense. How do you know? How do you know what happened of the 23. We were driving it? They tore it down. After the race. But I mean, if, if we're, honestly, if it's just getting up in the shit once

there or tear down, you look at the tires and see if it's covered in marbles because we ran in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the last three laps because he slid up the hill one time. And I'm not defending, Freddy, there were a lot of marbles on the tire. So, I mean, you look at the sides of the cars yesterday. The cars are filthy. Like, you see how dirty the cars were? Did you notice that?

I did. This is a perfect segue. I love it. I love it. Spot on, spot off. the tire used yesterday produced the best next gen race at martinsville tj i'm spot on we talked to me and freddie talked about it and a sweet appearance on yesterday morning and i think this is a i think it was a step in the right direction we had you could wear the right rear tie every time we would pay it we

would come on hey the right rear is gone but i do think it's step in the right direction we just need more. We need these guys to be able to hurt the tires earlier than what they were doing here. If they can do that, if these guys can take off and hurt the right rear tire in 60 laps, then you've got the guys that can catch them in another 40 because they save a little bit. You're going to see some great racing, some stop. You're going to see some guys hanging on. You're going to see some guys. You're going to have comers and goers. When you have comers and goers, that's usually some pretty good racing. And the track took rubber, which lets the guys move around a little bit, try different techniques to pass. Big step in the right direction. For sure. I mean, you saw different strategies

yesterday. You saw guys, you know, we saw guys yesterday pit after 10 laps. Well, that was unheard of in the last race because tires didn't matter for 150 laps. You know, you saw guys, you know, stay out and been able to maintain. Some guys couldn't maintain because they wore their tires out a little bit more. It was just, you saw people Blaney. It was a perfect example. He was able to restart, if he restart sixth in that, in the last, whatever we've had there, next gen races, he's not getting there. Like, he's not going to be able to pass those guys. We saw leaders not be able to pass lap cars in it with this, with these, with the old

package and the old tire. So it was refreshing to see a guy that was good on long run, could take care of stuff and then be as good as he is in Martin'sville to where he can run guys down and pass them late in that race is what we've been begging for. And again, I hate that it's overshadowed. But this tire, this, the end of this race was amazing. The race was great. I hate to see it's only last time I looked it was in the 70s I think on the on the good race pole it was a much better race than that I know a lot of that's just coming from the show at the end but that was that was a great race and I think the tire it we've guys have said to listen to drivers crew chiefs they're the ones that say you know the car's not great but the tire is the problem and once we make a big swing on the tire we had a much better product on the record the guys had their hands full and like we always said if the guys have their hands and I saw more guys get loose in practice I saw more guys fighting their cars yesterday than I

I've seen in a long time with this car. And I mean, you could see a guy go in and get loose in the middle. You can see guys that were tight. And drivers were able to take advantage of the weakness of the car in front of you. If you know a guy's tight in the middle, you give him that little bit of a bump in the middle. He can't make the exit. And there's a pass. So, and if you're loose, you've got to back your entry up.

So somebody dives in there. Then you know when somebody, you've seen this thousand times, Brett, when someone's close to you on the front stretch and you know you got to back your corner up because you're loose, they dive down there. The guy's like, oh, I got to let them go. and they kind of move up a little bit. I saw a lot of that because guys were fighting handling issues and they were actually, you know, you could see it. I mean, I've seen it more at this race than I have in a long time. Soft for the tire, the better the race.

The more it wears out, the more they have their hands full, perfect, better of the race. You made this point in the suite yesterday. Shout out to the Lino folks for having us up there. But when was the last time we saw the second lap of qualifying be slower than the first lap? And that was product of tire wear. You know, the guys, everybody that I noticed,

unless they screwed up their first lap, their first lap was probably a tenth or two better than their second lap and that's just from tire wear. Second lab was out of control. Everybody was getting loose on their second lap because they're trying to get more like they're used to and they can't. When they brought left side tires that lasted 3,000 miles, that was a problem. We don't need an option tire. We need the softest tire that you can bring that wears out and that wears out based on how

you're driving and how your setup is, not just wears out evenly for everybody. Yeah. Jeff. Yeah. I mean, certainly it was the progress. a step in the right direction. I think they could probably go even further. But yeah,

it's, I mean, everything you guys said is, is exactly right. It was definitely the next, the best, next gen car. Yeah,

I mean, I, I, you could actually see a difference for sure. It wasn't just like, in your mind like, ah, is this a better race?

Like, oh, it's like, yeah, this is an improvement. So, I want to see good year keep getting more aggressive, though. And if they go too far,

I think it's really important for everybody to be like, not jump on them because then they'll get scared. and be like, oh, we don't want to do that. So make sure that as everybody encourages them to keep getting softer tires and stuff, that when there's a blowout, don't be like, this tire sucks. This is a piece of crap tire. I'd never buy this tires, Tony. You know, because that's how we go tour a Goodyear plant after he said that.

I mean, I think there's still reverberations from that. Oh, I'm sure. I agree with you 100%. And that's, that was like over 10 years ago. A long time ago. Yeah. We used to blow right fronts so much. back in the day.

Like, Dover. Dover. A little bit too much camera. Yeah, man. Like, it was a thing where you could put a bunch of camera in your car and haul ass. It turned. Yeah, it turned for a little while. And then you'd blow it right from it.

But there was a fine line. Yeah. But that was a thing. Back to playoff drama. Kerschenakis drove through Taylor Gray and Ben Rhodes to win at Martinsville in advance to the Truck Series championship for. He said afterwards, I don't really care. I'm proud of everyone for working hard and we're going to Phoenix.

spot on spot off Brett. Spot off. And I don't know, man. There's a spot off for the move. Spot off for the move. Spot off for running people over multiple times to win the race. And man, I don't know. Like, you want to, you want to, you want to, I want to compare this to Austin Dillon

and Richmond, but I realized those two people didn't quote, hit the wall and end their day. But at the same time, it's, it's pretty damn similar. Like you're taking people that. inherit the lead from you, deservingly so, and you knock them out of the way. And, but, but this is, this is kind of what we got for officiating. And the rule is either you're going to let this go on or you're not. So I just hate it for literally the two guys took the lead and it was taken from them having a chance to win because that would have been a big deal.

Is this somewhat race manipulation as well? No, I think it's just selfish driving. Just short tracking. Is this a penalty in a lot of? of different series in the country yes yes it's not a penalty here you know if we had kip here a couple weeks ago and that that that would have been a penalty in the cars tour the modified series they're the modifies kind of they kind of maybe let it go but there's some series where they don't put up with that i mean the v8s in australia they don't put up with that like it's i'm you know

for to your point i i agree with your point that it's more you do multiple guys maybe it comes more into question i don't you know that's it's almost what we come to expect unfortunately now at at at martin'sville Especially in the truck series. Yeah. And it sucks. But is this, is this rubbing his racing or is this? No, I mean, it's crossing a line for sure, you know, and you'd like to see it officiated

better. But it's happened so much that you're asking a lot. These two moves right here, to me, are self-policing. Yeah. It's not, though, because you can't, now you can't do anything to him because he's protected by the system. You can get loose underneath a guy and carry him up the racetrack pretty easily. Not at the championship race next game.

Because NASCAR will be like, oh, you mess with a championship driver. Oh, because they're going to know. you know what's going to happen what's the difference what's going to happen what's the difference with him moving them there what are you going to get fined neither one of them run that series next year they they don't give like like you know the baby ben i guess the guy i'd be worried about this whole scenario is ben because taylor was mad he went down or yelled out i'm ben's in there going hey what happened they that whatever that's a guy that's that's a guy I'd be concerned about but like for me i'm spot off just for the thought process because now what you did

is you let the guy in the final four that led the most laps there last year the guy that finished, he was at the top three of every stage. I think he ended up getting turned late in the race and didn't have a great finish. But you just chose the race time of Jeske for a championship over Taylor Gray. And I don't, he's probably not thinking about that in the moment. He's thinking that, you know, I want to win this clock. I've been downed the best truck. They were the best truck all night. They were the 79. They were the best truck out all night. Okay. So then whoever that was, they made great calls to get them guys in position. But, I don't even know. Is Rich still the crew chief on the 99? I don't even know where he's at anymore. Oh, I think it's Doug. Okay. So then whoever that was, they made great calls to get them guys in position. But. you know, in that moment, you, you just knocked out Taylor Gray, who was going to win and being the final four. And now you entered a guy named Majesky in there that was really, really, really strong at, uh, at Phoenix last year. So you might have, you might have won the battle, but you might have cost yourself. Maybe, um, I'm spot off, by the way, as well. But maybe, uh, maybe Taylor and Ben are just getting front of Christian and ride in front of them, um, the entire race.

But I like Freddie said, I don't, their hard racing can happen. And, You can't tell people not to race hard. And I don't, like, but you're racing still. And these are the type of moves that even if they make it, make you run another, you know, you're racing for one extra lap. That can, you know, they get to Ben. Ben races, you know, him hard for a lap. Here comes, here comes tie with a big run and clears him both.

Would it have been out of bounds if when Ben got there, having saw what he saw happened with Taylor, if he had just punted him and went on about his business and won a race? No. why would why would it be that's that's the thing like you you it's it's happening you it's it's ugly you know but if ekew does it and you're like that's ugly you know but if ekech moves to 17 and then the 99 catches ekees and punts him that that's the greatest move in the history of the sport you know what I mean like that's that's where that's where I don't

want to get into officiating stuff like that because he didn't wreck Taylor he just knocked them back to whatever it was just officiate the same next week yeah that's that's the thing it's got be it's got to be the same next week you can't you can't you can't he just took taylor's championship chances away that's what he did So now if Taylor goes out there next week and takes his championship chances away, he doesn't have to wreck him. No, he could just move him. Like,

he could just cost, you know, all you got to do, now you're just racing four guys. You can cost them one spot and that's a lot. When did they pick pits? Uh, so I think the way that works.

I think Grant's got the number one stall, right? Because Grant had the two wins. He's the higher rank. I think they, they pick pits first. The championship four do. Yeah,

all for sure. And I think it's based off of, when does, when do these other two guys get to pick pits? Oh, I assume I have to qualify. I know. I guess it's after it's this week because they do it at the week before right I mean I would

just pick right in front of them you just block them in all day long yeah oh they will I guarantee you when you see that list come out the 17 is gonna be in front of the so 19 barring like what you know like what happens on track you can play that way like this is the mind game like if if atkins did the like the big brain thing he's going to be like you know what I've let a lot of last we should have won but the pitch strategy got us a little bit I'm going to go to Phoenix race for a championship care this one move now he's got to go there wondering what these other two guys are doing instead of having a clean week you know what i mean focusing out now he's got it he's got two problems yeah i guarantee like to that point brad i guarantee

you see if it's not the 17 it's going to be a tricon truck in front of the 19 or thorisport truck or thorisport truck i'm just spot off for the fact that like we we hear all the time well it's just martinsville well taylor gray was trying to say you know what i know that's just martin'sville but i'm gonna race cleanly here he did a job you know he earned his spot based on the track of and he indicated the way he was racing, hey, let's battle us out straight up. Like, let's have a race. And his reward for it was to get sent.

And that's a bad message for the entire field because, you know, you have a lot of people that go, well, hey, how, you know, Jesse Love to me. How bad do you want it, right? And I respect that mentality because it's not being officiated. So it's like, well, you know, Eka says to Gray, when he confronts him in victory, he says, well, I guess you should have done it.

but like that's not why is that the message we're trying to send here like yeah but that's the same time didn't you say what comes around goes around so isn't that something

that NASCAR would take into the race I mean it's just I don't but to your point to your point Jeff and I think it was encouraged by maybe the crew chief

he could have very easily took the bottom on that restart and just lined up behind Christian and sent him punted him into one and been done with it but he chose like he said

his action showed he wanted to race for he took the outside beat him on the restart and and got clear trying to do it the right way. And that's what he got for. Chris said,

I'm not going to lose this race. Well, okay. Well, you're going to lose next week then. I mean, I don't think he's got. I think,

I don't, I don't think it's going to happen. I've given Taylor's a hard time for some moves that he's made this year, but that was a, he drove a great race that race. I have a lot of respect. My respect went way up after him.

He did a very good job and he should have won that race. He did it as clean as you could do it in a truck race. I didn't get all the way through the tear down. Did we give Jordan about his TV. TV placement in this scenario. Like, I think I text you, like, Jordan's literally, the screenshot I got, Jordan's literally licking his lips behind Taylor as they walk down. Jordan claims, and I did give him crap for this, that he is not trying to be on TV.

Even though his, he cut the camera off as they're walking up the stairs. Is this his first race? He was on TV more than Taylor was like, yeah, it was like the walkout music for a fighter. And like, and Jordan was one of the guys with him. One thing I do want to say, and I seen Taylor get some. about this and I completely disagree with it. As he's walking down pit road, I don't know her name. I'm sorry. The Fox reporter

whoever, the pit road. Amanda. She sticks a microphone in his face as he's from like the back row trying to stick a microphone in his face. That's because she had to get around Jordan. And he kind of brushes it off and I've seen some people, media people like, you don't do that, you know. No, what you don't do is try to stick a microphone in this guy's face as he's going to confront another driver.

I don't think. You know, I mean, you can. You can do it, but you, that response should almost be expected. I don't think, I don't think Taylor deserves any crap for that. Switching gears to Xfinity. Chandler Smith had an altercation with Cole Custer post-race after he was frustrated with how Custer raced him. The two have been fusing pretty much the entire playoffs.

Spot on, spot off Freddie. Well, Freddie told me that Chandler needs boxing lessons. Dude, we got to help him out. I just watched the video. I thought it was a slap competition. I realized when I read this topic just now, I was like, I haven't seen the video, but somebody sent me the video. So I just went back and watched it because it was during, I think, the second half of the game.

But anyway, Freddie, so I just wanted to text. Did you agree with me that we're going to send him? You never step backwards when you're punching. You always lean in. The one thing I do give him credit for, he had his thumb out. So he wasn't going to break his thumb. But it just, I don't know if we can call out a punch. But listen, you can say what you want about.

And we've criticized people on here before because they say a lot of things and don't act on them. Cole told Chandler, after whatever race that was. Kansas. that this is coming. And, you know, listen, Chandler was super fast on Saturday night. Same thing. Long run speed. He was able to, he would be somebody that they didn't have great pit stops. He'd restart six, eighth and would be able to drive up to second or third. The 20 was obviously lights out for a long time. But he would be able to drive up to second or third each time. But then he got the second, that one restart. He restarted outside the 20 and the double zero picked behind him with the full intention of the double zero can't have the 20, the 81 win.

that's the end all be all for him and that's going to knock him by the driver's side of it so as far as you know trying to win himself he's just also trying to prevent the 81 from winning so he goes in the corner and just knocks him up the racetrack and that Chandler still made a great drive back to whatever it was second or third did he finished but

you know Cole did what he said he was going to do hit him when it hurts the most and and the altercation afterwards uh which like I said Chandler's not the biggest dude and we're going to have to work on some you still want to pick Cole Custer of Phoenix yeah yeah I mean why not I mean listen if if Chandler's willing

do it. God, God bless them. But I told you, I have an aster pick because I think somebody else is going to win. But, but, but yeah, it's, if it, by all means, it's, it's, it's, it's, where do you draw the line? It's, you got me, I got you, you know, you got me. Like, where does that end? You know, this has been building, though. Like, like, like, this is why you don't race people like that. This is, this is what Akish just did to those two guys. The same thing that Chandler did to Cole at Kansas when he used him up and ran him into the fans off of four. He, now, you know, Cole has been waiting for

moment and here it is so this is things come back this is why a lot of this stuff is policed on the racetrack like you you run me up the racetrack i'm gonna you up the racetrack and a lot of it gets policed that way and i don't know if i don't think it needs to be i don't think it needs to be regulated from anybody else this is just in you run me hard i'm gonna run you hard and that's just how it is and two guys racers are the same way don't do it if you don't want to be raced that way you know i am spot off i am spot off for pretty much everything that Chandler had to say you're due in that whole situation. Jeff?

I'm spot off because I don't have a problem at all with how Cole handled it. Because, look, I've never raced, obviously. But also all I know is what I hear from racers in terms of what the code is and what ethics are. I always thought that it was if you initiated something, like, because Chandler bumped him first before that restart and before the restart that Cole lined up behind him and moved him out of the way, he, like, he, like, he, like, he. Like we're talking about, it's sort of the reverse the Taylor Gray situation where Taylor had sent an indication, I'm going to race you cleanly here.

Chandler was like, hey, I got to go. And I bumped to you. And now on the next restart, it brings into everything that you were saying. It brings into play all the Kansas stuff because now the door's been open for contact. And now Cole can freely, you know, sort of retaliate in a way or pay it back without having to have any sort of conscience about it. Because he's like, well, here's my moment. So I don't have any problem with how that played out because it had been built. to that is totally fair let me let me ask you this jeff and this is maybe the only thing that i

had an issue with and and i'll ask you because you're you're kind of impartial on the situation cole says in an interview afterwards that he picked the top behind the 81 with the full intention of shipping him up the racetrack is is that a problem no he didn't wreck him okay i mean he's a short track he had he just got no i'm just saying like he had just gotten moved out of the way himself for the lead. So, and again, when you take into the other, the other incidents that they had had, it's all fair. That's how it goes.

Race how you're raced, right? I think that's how he led off with. Race others how you want to be raised or something like that. And then he said, I pick behind him with the intention of moving him up the race track. Raction Theater is coming up after the break. Now it's time for our favorite segment, Reaction Theater, where it's your turn to be heard. Reaction Theater is brought to you every week by Consumer Cellular.

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verification and credit approval subject to system area limits, taxes and fees apply. Careers were destroyed. Livelihoods were lost when Michael Waltership racing polluted and manipulated the outcome of a race a few years ago. Now you have Chevrolet doing it and you have Toyota doing it. I hope NASCAR comes down on hard and I mean hard. Listen, I'm probably in the minority, but I think that what happened back then,

you had two different scenarios where they're, you know, whatever you can prove it when you want, but they're giving Clint some obvious, whatever you want to call them, code words is your arm, Mitchie, is it hot in there? Then he spins out. And then on the restart of Clint spinning out, they make the, the, what of the numbers of 55 come down pit road and blatantly say, we need this point. So, I mean, you manipulate the entire race by bringing out a caution and then manipulate the points battle by making one of your cars pit. I think that was a little more egregious than anything you saw last night. I would like to apply as Freddie Craft's lawyer.

Toyota's great. Denny's great. Michael Jordan is great. Tyler Reddick is great. Bubble Wallace is great. They are all great. And I'm going to go get in the tub and throw a toaster in as a Chase DeL.A. fan. Y'all have a good one.

Do you need a lawyer? Not that I'm aware of. I mean, not for this scenario. Ha ha, suck it, Freddy, you it's the arm cheating mother. I hate that it came down to that. I hate that this is something that is in modern NASCAR. It is absolutely atrocious, absolutely sucks. And I fully agree that Chevy had their team orders as well.

But it is what it is. This is modern NASCAR. Suck it, Freddie. They say suck it or fuck it or I don't know. I couldn't tell. Same same. Same. Or I'm a foreign country.

I don't want, that's, that's what I'm afraid of. I don't want people to just say it is what it is. This is modern NASCAR. That's what, that's what worries me. Because then it, if, if this, if nothing, yes, you don't want this to become the norm. Because then you're really screwed as a sport. Listen, I think the big thing that we're seeing now, and I feel like this started, I'm sure it was more prevalent.

It happened, but I feel like it became more prevalent. After that Talladega race, where Stuart Haas just committed to working. together dominate and all the teams saw that and so we got to work together. I feel like from that point on there was some kind of shift to where there's not, you know, back in the day, I know you guys talked about it a little bit on the tear down. You know, Biffle would say, you know, I gave, you know, clearly say I gave Carl a spot there or whatever, you know, like you back in that Mark Martin day, you were giving, you were giving taking a lot more than we do now anyway.

But, you know, now it's not, it's not rouse racing. It's not 2311. It's not, it, there's three teams out there, essentially. You know, you, you've, you've got three manufacturers. and they're all, obviously, we're helping each other, but then, you know, we release plate racing, you see them, we all pit together. We all, it's basically three big teams now,

and they're all trying to work together. You know, it really sucks, but instead of talking about Blaney's run to the front, coming from five seconds back with about 45 to go, we spend an hour talking about who should be, whose team orders let who in, or whether or not the 20 was wall riding or not. This is stupid.

What the hell are we doing? I mean, I talked about that at the beginning of the show. Listen, everybody, every manufacturer in that scenario was probably trying to have some kind of team order of what to do in that, you know, situation. You can go, but if you listen to our audio, every time you hear booty talk on that audio that Basso played last night, that's talking to me. He's not, but he never said anything above of that whole last state, you know, portion of the race, probably the whole last stage of the race, I would assume. He very rarely, especially the place in Martinsville, we'll talk to Bubba on Channel 1 because he can't see the car or whatnot. but you know they're trying to feed me information to give the Bubba about you know the scenario and what it is and I'm not doing it because that's not pertinent information that Bubba needs

to know um Ford's getting information don't we don't we can't have a caution here that's one the it's obvious that the the chevies are talking about on the radio their plan or whatever it was so every in this in this scenario every manufacturer is working together to make sure that they get their goals accomplished or trying to at least Jeff what are you doing if you're a nice car what are you doing here putting you on the spot I think you give Bubba or the 23 the penalty that gave shiplet and Custer because you have to send a message where,

and of course it doesn't matter if you indefinitely suspend booty necessarily because he's not going to be crew chief next year anyway. But, and then I think you have to, you see the problem is, what do you do to the 20, in terms of one and the three that would send, any sort of message because, you know, as Jordan said last night, don't, yeah. I mean, you penalize points for that. This is a, I mean, I mean, this is not a first time.

You penalized points for not passing somebody. That's, that would be the first in history. Here's my, here's, here's where I disagree with you. And obviously, I'm in the middle of the show. But what the one in the three did is way more closer related to what Sheplet did than anything that happened on our radio. Shipwlet's telling him to give up spots to shipwit, shipwets telling him to move around. they're telling him not to pass.

They're directing. Nobody on our radio is telling Bubba anything to do. Nobody on there goes, hey, Bubby, you better back up. Hey, Bubby, you better do this. Hey, Bubba, it looks to me like you got a flat. You better slow down and let somebody go by you. That never happened. So there's no way you can say we deserve the same penalty

as what the guys said on the radio told Custer to do. Now, the one in the three, or I should say the three, the one that doesn't really do any of that. The three is telling me, yeah, we've got a plan. Does everybody else know the plan? Yeah, you know, he's right behind you. you know, he needs a point. Whatever it is, that's way more closer related, I think,

than what the double zero does than anything happened on our radio. Same as Talladega. I mean, I totally respect and appreciate that point, honestly, and I could see that. But the only thing is there's no precedent for not passing somebody to penalize them, where there is precedent for penalizing somebody who gave up a position. So if they did that, that's fine. Did they create a wall?

What? Did they create a wall, a block? You know. They did. But how do you prove it? Are you going to look at Bubba's car? and be like, oh, it doesn't look like there's an issue? We're not talking about Bubba.

Watch the race. You have to, yeah, you have to officiate with your head sometimes, common sense without, you know, you have to decide the intent yourself. I mean, that's. So if you're 2311, which you are 2311, Freddie is, you're in a legal battle with NASCAR. Yeah. They come down on you and they drop the hammer. You're the three car and you're the one car. They come down on you and they drop the hammer.

They find you $100,000. They move you back in points, which costs you more money. At some point, The team owner's got to look around and be like, this, I ain't doing it. Because it costs me $3,000, $500,000. That's what I'm saying. You want to set a precedent so the guys don't do this.

So you're still leaving a gray area with how you can do that. I mean, you know. You're right. You're right. If that's a solution, then if that sends a message enough. But as Jordan said in the tear down last night, well, Chevy will just write the check and be like, we don't care. We got a car in the final four.

Doubles the next time. Triple. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you have to keep ramping it up. Yeah. What's it worth? How much money?

is at worth for Chevrolet to have that team in? I mean, I really don't have any idea. Millions? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know either, but you got, you're, you guys are exactly right. And you got to, if that's what sends a message and you can get to the point where people go, well, there's no way I'm doing that. If you don't know, if that was the case for years after MWR.

Everybody's like, well, I don't want to go out of that. That put a team out of business. So if that, you know, you're in that situation, you're like, damn. Okay. We're not going to do that. the race and his two teammates are second and third that one's out one's already locked in and they just ride behind him side by side and don't try to pass is that okay i mean this is what this this is tough because i mean blaney was wingman for legano in the championship race two years ago

100% so this is the problem with the precedent of if you're going to start saying you have to pass somebody if you're faster if that's part of the 100% rule which was stupid to begin with but like if that if that's a thing well we've opened a huge can of worms now. And that's going to, it's going to come up a lot. Like, I see what Freddie's saying. There's no radio traffic there, but you have guys

talking about executing the plan that they have to do that. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what they, I don't know. I'm just, you know, I, here's what's going to make it all funny. Not funny, but funny. If Bell goes out, wins the race

at Phoenix. He probably will. I think he's going to be the best car. Then he's not going to give a zero. F's. Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't say it. Let's keep going. Well, I can still remember

Richmond in 2013. That's the very first time that I realized Playoff races ain't what they sing. But instead of Brett Cheating, this time it was Freddie Kraft, give Bubba an Oscar for his amazing act. Then he gets your lawyers ready for MWR part two.

Bubba said he had a tire going down. He said he had a flap. Well, Freddy howdy run around for three more laps. And then Bubba told Bob it was a mechanical feel. How convenient the driver behind him was bail. Clever. That's brilliant. And I'm so happy that Bob made it into a country song.

he'll be hyped about that. It's good to have songs back. I missed them. Yeah. Maybe not that one. I liked it. I want to get a live feed of the driver's meeting at Phoenix next week because I want to see if they just tie Carson Hosevar up to a chair in the corner

and beat the shit out of them because tell me he doesn't have it coming. I'm really happy to hear the guys in the broadcast booth today criticize Carson Hosevar. I think that he needs a little bit of this because Kamikaze Carson wrecks people. like every week. I mean, wow through so many people today, it's unbelievable. You need to be able to realize that you look like a complete idiot compared to a bunch of professionals and you clean it up

where you're not going to be here very long. I love hearing that. They've been needing to do this all year. It's criticized a guy a little bit. Remind him why you can't do this. I think he's got a lot of criticizing. I don't think he's been not criticized. He was doing better. He was starting to get better.

And then all of a sudden... He's like the guy that goes to rehab and he does better for a while. Now he's just shipping people for no reason. It didn't. It didn't make any sense. And the one I think it was the 31. Like I could almost tell Bubba it was coming because it happened for like two laps. I'm like, I don't know.

I said the 30, the 77 is just jacking the 31 up here for no reason. And then I said, oh, now he's wrecking him. Here we go. And it's like the easiest wreck to call on the planet because you can see it coming. And I don't know. And the 21 was a deal. We were right in front of that one too. He, the 21 gets, we pass the 21.

He gets clear. And like everybody else does about halfway down the back stretch. He just, you know, exaggerates, gets to the very bottom to kind of block that lane up. and then you're just trying to go into three and then stack the bottom and get going again. And Carson just squares him up and he barely missed us, just kind of like that deal on Friday night. You know, he barely misses us, but just I don't get it. Especially early in race. Has he replied to your poll tweet this week?

That's the most important thing. He stopped after some controversy. He's only done a few the rest of the year after. There was some controversy that he was in around the middle of the year. And then he stopped for the most part. You can't stop. Then you look guilty. Well, he's only done a few since then.

But I think this is the classic case, though, of like the self-policing thing that you're talking about, T.J. Because when the whole garage is mad at you and races you different and dumps you and you're going to get punched in the face at some point, I'm assuming, and all this stuff. Ross got away for a while. Carson's pretty tall. It'd be hard for some of them guys to punch him in the face.

Yeah. They can fight him. But there's just no reason to race like that. I don't know what, you know, what crosses in his mind at some point where I'm just going to get on your overdrive the corner, wreck this guy. Like, it's multiple times a weekend. we go green and we're pretty much waiting for it to happen. Like every week, he got us twice at the Roval.

We were on top five. We're passing William Byron for fourth and we get Hosevar from eight car lengths back into the hairpin. Like where are you going? And to Jeff's point, he did, there was one point we were coming from the back on tires and he was getting just pushed around. Like in the same thing, you get shoved up the hill and it takes you, once you get off the bottom, especially to get above the concrete, it takes you a lap or two to get going again

and he would get down and as soon as he get down, whoever was behind him would just ship him again and it's like they're just tired of it. Like, well, you know what? We know there's been cautions this race. I think Gilling got collected in one of them, but like I think Barry was one of them. Like he ended up getting down in front of Barry fine.

As soon as Barry caught him, he just moved him back up the hill because we were outside, like trying to get out there and he just shoved him in front of us. And I'm like, you probably can't go to the top here because they're just going to keep pushing the 77 up in front of it. We've seen it so many times where when the field starts to feel like no remorse about some guys and they don't even have to,

they're like, this guy race is like, I haven't been personally wrong by this person. They've been doing this for everybody, so I don't care. I'm just going to move, you know what I mean? And that becomes a problem for you ultimately in the bigger picture of racing. Am I watching the Pope in the motorcade? Come on, man. The way that they're just pushing him, oh, my God.

Dylan Chastain, just like, Byron's right in front. They're like, he's like, they're like protecting him like the Pope. Come on. Chevy, it's all a Chevy game now. He was really bad right then, too. Like, he was, he was really slow. It was going to be a repeat of last year where Byron was trying to hang on. He was fading late.

He was about to fall out of the playoffs. This time, he just had a safety net. And by the way, it's hilarious because, obviously, I always listen to this podcast every week. And I always put it on, like, the, I don't listen to on, like, one-time speed. So it's one thing to hear you guys talk. It sounds like in real life you're, like, hung over. because I'm usually hearing your voices really fast.

And then reaction theater, I always put on double speed because I'm just like, all right, all right. That guy sounded so slow. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. I'm just like, let's go. You can speed him up.

Well, Freddie, welcome to the itchy arm club. Jesus Christ. Why are you telling Bobo Wallace the point situation for something that he was never even in? Makes absolutely no sense. It's absolute bullshit. It all started with the call the NASCAR made when you got a tire rolling down in three and four,

well before they even came to the start-finish line, makes no sense at all. Absolute bullshit. This finish is just the worst, the worst, the worst. NASCAR can't keep doing this shit. Just bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Like I said, you can go back and listen, especially cut-off races.

Anytime any playoff drivers around my driver, Cup, Exfinity, truck, I am letting them know the situation so that they can make their own informed decisions. about what they need to do. Is there such a thing as an Xfinity fall race? That's not a show at Martinsville. I mean, as soon as the double zero wind up behind Chandler Smith,

you knew he was going to ship him. I don't understand why the broadcast is so confused with it. You know that he knows if I just ship this guy, that's the only one that can win and he's in that's up here. So they're saying, oh, it heard him. I don't understand it. It was about for the smartest thing I could think of. Cool customer is a fucker.

moron. How is he going to Cup next year? Oh yeah. Because his daddy is the president of Haas factory team. He was the best friends with him, Gene Haas. Gotcha. Yeah, go for a figure. He's a f***er idiot. Listen, I love coalmastry. He's probably

one of the funniest people in the garage without trying to be funny. I've said that a million times out here. But yeah, it was, listen. That was a product of what we talked about earlier. That was coming from before. Like, that's not something new. One of the rare people that said they were going to do something and actually

follow through with it. And he could have been way worse with it. Hey, can someone pay for Chandler Smith that boxing lesson? What the f*** was that? That was like some of a cuddler does when they're like a bed. They just like wailed their arms somewhere. The bitch slap her around the world.

I don't know what's worse. The fact that Chandler Smith threw a f***leap instead of a punch or the fact that Cole Custer got slapped. Like, what's more embarrassing? Chandler Smith with the girliest punch of the century. Then you got Cole custer walking away laughing, like a joker.

Man, that Chandler Smith little bitch slap against Cole just laugh. It's like slapping a gorilla with a cheese stick. I bet all Chandler's got some limp wrist, brother. Hey, Brett. If your man, Chandler's going to work construction next year, he's better learn to punch better than that.

That's definitely a Yankee. That definitely sounds like a craft. Yeah, poor Chandler. we're going to have to take him somewhere. There's maybe a truck driver he can talk to. Maybe he can talk to that other, yeah. Who's the guy that beat up somebody in their truck this week? There's some rumors about Dino, maybe.

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but our Redick and Blaney on the hot streak, is Byron being overlooked? Who would you pick? I mean, Biron, his last win was Martin'sville, right? Is that true? I mean, I saw that somewhere this morning, and that was, what, March?

Yeah. He's been consistent. I mean, he's consistent, but they come out like the bad of the hell and you're like, they're going to, the early wins. They're going to, you know, tear it up this year. And then they just, And we've seen that, I think, before with them in years past.

I have to go back and double-check stats. But I feel like they've always kind of a little bit, been a little quiet in the summer months. But this year, he's kind of just been right place, right time. I've just been consistent. Obviously consistent enough to get there. But, man, he doesn't carry any momentum into the final four. I think it's hard to go against Blaney here. I really do.

I mean, he's been fast the last two races. He's fast at Phoenix, obviously. Joey's had more time. Joey is the underdog here. but I feel like Joey's been playing money ball all year. Even, you know, and he's got a horseshoe that Jimmy had for years. Honestly, I mean, we get a late, if you give, if there is a caution at the right time and you give Paul Wolf a chance to do something to put Joey in a position, you know,

that most, you know, that's what they've done all year. Put him in a position where it's not the perfect scenario, but he makes it work. And it could happen. That's how he made the playoffs, five over time. Was it Nashville making it work? And it's how he advanced into this round, the next round, because we would be talking about Bell winning Las Vegas. If that caution didn't come out at exactly the right time for them to play that strategy

at Vegas, there's no way Logano advances. It's Bell. I would say he gets on base. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I agree with you, Blaney being the favorite because even the year Joey won Phoenix, Blaney was better than him, I thought. Yeah, Blaney was faster.

Blaney was faster. and if Blaney was in that championship four, he would have been, he'd been a champion that year. He'd probably be working on three in a row right here. It's probably a second best track to Martinsville. So, like I said. Who do you think is the best driver of these four all around?

All around driver? I'd probably say, I would probably have to go with Joey being all around because anytime we do something kind of off the wall, he's all like we were in the dirt race first time, won the dirt race. He's just, he's pretty good at just doing all the weird stuff pretty quick.

Like, you know, but Tyler has gotten really good at road courses. These guys are all really good drivers. But as far as diverse backgrounds, I mean, to me, it's probably Joey. I think raw talent wise, it's hard to not say Reddick. I just think, but Reddick makes mistakes, you know, and then that's, that's his Achilles heel sometimes. But I think if you're looking at somebody that's just great across all the, like Blaney is hard to not, you know, he short tracks, speedways, whatever it is, he's there every week, it seems like.

I have a lot of opinions here, and I'll just share a few. 2311 is suing NASCAR. 2311 is in the middle of a dumpster fire with what just happened last week. Can Tyler Redick and his team elevate themselves and can compete? I agree with Freddie. I think Tyler Redick is the second most talented driver in the Cup series right now, right, wrong, or different is what I think. I think they got some challenges internally, though, to deal with.

And I think Joey haven't had more time to prepare. He hadn't had the raw speed all year. but I think you got to go with Blaney here. I don't know how you don't pick Blaney. And listen, I think if it were bailing Blaney, it's a different conversation, but that's the two guys that comes down to to win this race. By the way, so we talk about, oh, Lugano's had all this time to prepare. Blaney just got all his notes.

Yeah. They're very transparent over there at Penske. So all the work that Paul Wolf and Ligano have been doing, one of the details and the sim. You think he gives them all the notes? I do. I really think that's part of the year. Tony Uri, that Tony Uri senior show last week. He's like, we came to build sheet.

We didn't give them the right build sheet. I think at Penske, that's one of their big points of emphasis. Well, they want to make sure they win. You know what I mean? At the same time, they want the 12 to be the 22 wants to 12 to be the second best car, at least. But I do think Lugano out of this group is the most talented race car driver. I mean, Reddick, for the reasons you said, but he still makes too many mistakes. But Lugano is like elite.

I mean, if he, I know he doesn't show it because he doesn't win as often. But, I mean, that guy is one of the greatest drivers ever, probably. I mean, from a storyline perspective, who would you like to see you the champion? I mean, from a storyline perspective, the only thing that's going to resonate outside of our little bubble here is Michael Jordan wins NASCAR championship. Yeah. Period. Like there's no other story that will make it on SportsCenter even, I don't think. So unless there's some fight at the end or something.

Or something to jeopardize the integrity of the win, which I pray we don't have that. Yeah. four of them are side by side, racing hard for positions. Weird. The next one is from Desi. If we are truly stuck with this playoff system, would removing the win and lock-in eliminate the plow job driving style we see from all three series? Probably.

Yeah. But we're not going to change that. That's what's working. That's what's exciting. And when in your end? The, if we wanted to change the plow. you know, we wouldn't have this race at Martinsville every year. But this is, we want the chaos.

We want the, you know, this is, you know, right, wrong or indifferent. People are talking about NASCAR today. So this is what they want. They were talking about a Friday night, you know, there was all over the place Friday night, it's Saturday, you know. We're tuned in. Yeah, like if they didn't want this, we wouldn't go to that track. You know, that track will be in the playoffs.

We might not be the deciding factor of who's going to make the final four or not. I mean, Talladegh is in round three next year. Yeah, but still you can't. Yeah, exactly. I agree. This is what they're going for. They want the chaos, you know. But they need something needs to be done, though, to stop the nonsense stuff, though.

Because these guys can truly put on great races. And they've shown that. Look at Homestead. Look at the last ab of Homestead. Exactly. That's what made that so great. Yes. It was pure.

It was just great racing. It was a great moment. Yeah. And it's still there, you know, but we just have to let it happen. If you don't make it, it's not your year. You know, that's how it is. It's how it used to be. how many times you've been knocked out of the playoffs i've been we've all been nod down how many times

tons right um and you can go back and look at certain races throughout the year like larsson larston larston's not going to look at at charlotte he's going to look at when he wrecked him he's probably should he's going to look at when he wrecked himself or got loose uh wherever we were Atlanta yeah Atlanta and rack you know or whatever you know he's going to go back and look at those mistakes that he made and probably look at that more than anything and we can all do that we were in situations. Maybe we can do something different next time. Should the guy that has six wins being the final four? Should there be like a buy for the most winning drag race?

I saw somebody tweet down. Michael Altrop treated something kind of around that. What if he wins the first six races, then you don't see him again? Well, you can't. You still got to start every race, right? That's a rule. I know. What if he's not just not fast?

No, I'm not saying. What if he had one since May or something? Because we do start off at two plate races. Say a guy wins those two races and then, you know, wins another one a third of the way into the year. He's got three wins from that. I mean, the thing is for me, if you say the champ four is a champ four, right? But if you give the regular season guy a pass to the final,

if you give the guy with the most wins, if it's not the regular season champion, whoever is second pass, if we're in a spot like yesterday, that wouldn't happen. Like we would have, it's when to advance, when to advance. Or even more points towards those positions, maybe. I mean, you don't give the team in the NFL. Just saying something about. You know, the best team in the NFL in the regular season doesn't get an automatic pass in

Super Bowl. I just like if you're going to stick with this format, you can't you can't tweak it with buys and stuff like that. The one thing that I would be in favor of, especially in this era where you cannot build your way to a championship, all the car is the same. It's going to be close by nature. The points are not going to, you're not going to have somebody have a total runaway because they're not going to nail something. Go try the 10 race thing again because it will be close all the way. If you leave and look at the, I know, nobody likes this, but the full season standings is pretty close. It is.

So you have a group where nobody's really getting away from you to it. Just like a race that we see. I mean, an intermediate track race. The leader never gets that far out anymore. And it wouldn't end the points either. So if you want to change something, I think go back to a longer format. But otherwise, if you're going to keep this the round type thing, you have to have the win and in and you can't have buys because this is where the excitement gets generated from.

I think 16 is too many. Yeah, it's too many. It's been too many. But the reason they made it so many is because so many sponsors and owners were complaining, we're not in a playoff, we're not relevant. We have to stay relevant. And the reality is, if you're not in the top 16, you got problems. You need to do crew chief.

You need a new engineer or you need to do a driver. Let all 36 in, but reset it by playoff points. And then you won't have, you won't have to worry about the 30th place guy in the playoffs doing anything anyway. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. That's stupid. It just reminds me of how we used to do the class. You know, it used to be about, what, 15 guys?

And it was, you know, all... Polsetter champions. It was all, you know, A, is pretty much. There might have been one or two that were... But did something to earn that. And now it's like, next thing, you know, we got just another full race. Being in the original Nextel chase for the cup,

being in the top 10 was an exclusive elite group of people. And it was freaking hard. And when we went from 10 to 16, not the 16 is easy to make, but people were like, oh, I points race right here. I can points my way in. And then you have a year like you had a couple years ago where people couldn't do that. But it needs to be hard. It shouldn't be half the field makes the freaking playoff.

Don't forget use hashtag AskDBC to send us your questions on X. What an idiot. Moving on to What an Idiots. I think, Brett, you've already stated your two. Three, four. I'm like, oh, hello. Are you at one? Sounds like me.

Freddie, who do you have? I got three or four. I think this weekend gives you plenty of opportunity. My one idiot, really. I mean, I had Harsovar, Horsavar written down. Harrison Kosalar. Carson Hosevar. The 19 truck I had written down.

Who drives that, Aikis? Echis. Maybe the guy. You're getting his crew chief, right? Maybe. Yeah, Charles is coming over to us. And I did, I should address that out because I said I was talking about booty on Twitter the other day.

Big loss for us. You know, Booty is, Booty came to our car at the perfect time for us. Got Bubba, you know, Bubba, you know, we weren't running great at the time. Booty came in, kind of breath of fresh air for Bubba and just took over the end of that year. There was a lot going on.

We were, they were trying to build a shop. They were talking about second car coming to with Kurt. And, and Wheels was kind of, like I think Wheels was kind of meant to be in a director's role where he's at now, honestly. So him crew chief.

and trying to handle a lot of other shit was like kind of maybe distract things for everybody. And then Booty comes in and we start running better right off the bat. Booty was really good for Bubba. Kind of, you know, somebody that Bubba could talk to and they could relate to each other a lot. And then, you know, he's just an unbelievable guy. If anybody's ever had the chance to spend 10 minutes talking to Booty Barker, it's probably lit your day up. So I didn't love it when they told us. I don't know when it was that they told us.

Two months ago? Yeah, it's probably in that range. I would say it's been a little while. we sat down with it. We all talked about it out and with Booty in the room and you know it was hard to hear

and hard to swallow at the time because I just I care so much for Booty but sometimes you just need a little change and maybe a breath of fresh air He's sticking around though right? Yeah, from what I understand he's going to be probably on the engineering side

you know he'll be maybe in charge engineer. I know exactly sure what his title is but I think that when Booty became a crew chief I don't think he wanted to be a crew chief again. You know, I think he was he was happy doing that shop job and then the team just kind of said we know we need you to do this

and you know at least got to the end of year we ended up winning Talladega that year so that parlayed itself until you know now a couple years with us but lucky with the rain yeah thank god for that rain um but yeah uh so i'm it's i'm not i'm not overly enjoyed thrilled by the move at all but uh i'm looking forward to work with charles i've worked with charles before on the on the 19 truck when krause was driving a super super smart guy super regimented guy so looking forward to maybe a different approach and seeing what it comes. And hopefully we, we hit the ground running in February. But yeah, it's just, oh, and by the way, yeah, I'm going to spot for Bubba next year. I think I might have teased some. I might be making some changes, but that's not one of them.

So I did torture. I did torture some people on next for a couple of days there. But yeah, so I'm definitely going to spot for Bubba next year and the year after and God forbid, hopefully forever. But the, I don't remember what the hell we were talking about. What idiot? Me for talking that long. The people that thought I wasn't going to come today. I mean, like, what the hell do I? Why wouldn't I show up today? You're talking about Brett? Did you say that too?

I didn't say you went on. I'm talking about the, there's, I read it, Twitter, a bunch of people. Freddy's calling out sick tomorrow. He's going to go, whatever. I thought you would call the guy out that walked into the other guy's hauler. He was on my list too. I said the guy that didn't I say it? You never walk in a man's house expecting to whoop his ass.

Yeah. That's a bad idea. That's their hauler. Clearly. I mean, they're teammates. I think, what I think that happened there. Oh, their teammates? Oh, yeah.

Oh, that makes a better. And I think what happened there was, I think Dean honestly was just given his two weeks notice. I think that there was two weeks left in a year and he was, he's probably leaving. We're going to do another opportunity this year. So when he squared up Tanner Gray and just shoved him through whoever else is back there, almost cleared me and TJ out in that process. Yeah, Moffitt, poor Moffat. He got the end of the worst of it.

Yeah, it sucks for him. But, yeah, when Dean lined him up and wrecked three or four trucks there, I'm pretty sure that was, that was his two weeks notice to try going that. He's not coming back. And maybe they might have been his one week. I'd have been his last one. Jack, do you have one? I hate to use your show's platform for this

because I probably could have just tweeted this at some point, but I didn't want to because, you know, on Twitter now, like it's just so exhausting to try to make any sort of point with like any nuance. But this really piss me off. Here we go. This is a media thing that is happening more and more. I'm sure you guys have seen it.

There's all these clickbait websites now. I've seen it there, right? Like clickbait.com blowing out of proportion.com or whatever, right? Like they'll, some people listen to this show right now and they'll take a snippet of what you guys are saying. Weekly. Yes. And put it out there. Well, they also do the same for like the actual reporting that we do at the track.

And which is, you know, there's something, you know, it's okay to like repurpose people's stuff. Like let's say I wasn't at the track and Bob got a quote or something like that. Then I would say, well, I'm going to give. credit to Bob. I'll say so-and-so told Fox Sports Bob Pockris, and then I'll put a link to his content so that it's like, well, I didn't get this, you know, to let the readers know, but like, just let you know, this is where you can find the complete story, whatever. That's okay because it happens all the time. You can't be everywhere at once. Well, there's been a rise of like, even people within our industry that come to the track, they just take your shit. Like,

they just take quotes that you got, like in a one-on-one situation, and they put it in their articles and they like write stories about stuff that you got without even linking back to your stuff without and I'm like you talk about the code of ethics on the track like there's no journalism police right so like this just stuff this just goes you know you can just do whatever you want right unless your boss calls you out on it but this is like a very a trend that pisses me off I rant to my friends about this all the time in the media we love it it's getting more and more and more so I know people listen to show because some of the people do it because they're going to take what you guys just said and make their own articles about it

and probably not even link to the link where you can watch this podcast. So it's fine if you take it and you want to do your little thing and blow it out of proportion or whatever, but just at least credit the content that you got it from because it's stealing otherwise. It's stealing. It is. It's stealing. It's unethical and it's stealing. But people don't care though.

Nobody, you don't want to call any names out by any chance. I don't even know some of the, yeah. There's some of the times. I can there be times, believe it or not. it happens a lot to be a Bubba and I because of everything you post about Bubba's getting a thousand clicks anyway

but it'd be like we'll be talking at the end of a race and me and him obviously give each of a shit all the time and I'll be like you suck and he's like I suck you're the worst spotter ever and that's the article Bubba Wallace tells his spotter he's the worst spotter ever and it's like what the hell you guys do and a lot of it alarmingly is AI stuff too oh yeah and that's going to get worse and worse and worse

and everybody listening needs to be really really careful because if you think it's bad now we are we are going to have this deluge of just absolute crap and trying to sort through it and figure out what's real and what's, yeah, like it's going to get harder and harder and harder because now you're going to start to be able to imitate people's voices too. And I hate to tell you guys being on a podcast and being spotters, somebody's going to be able to take your voices, be able to make you guys say whatever you want and say, it sounds almost authentic. Yeah. And it eventually will sound like. I listened to a podcast about

the show Entourage, I don't know, a couple years ago. I think it's gone now. But they were talking about even a couple years ago, they're like, we could, they're going to be able to take our podcasts, take our voices, and do it in different countries in, it'll be, they take DBC and me and you will be speaking French.

Like, like, like, you know what I mean, it's it. Polymese was like. We know how to say, how do you say,

Hung Money and French? I can't remember. Come see, come so. But so that's, to your point, like, they can,

they can, the stuff they can do now is scary. TJ, do you have an idiot? Ah, there's just a list of them, like, it's,

it's, it's, toss up. You could literally just draw any one of them guys out at KS Hosevar. You should give it to the lady. The lady on the golf cart that ditched us for the tough of the appearance. You know, I like the elevator guy more than her now.

I'm just kidding. Who are we going to say? I was going to say you want to give it the guy at the top of the stairs. Oh, yeah. Oh, that was really bad. You'd have been hot. You would have not handle this. Yeah, you would have been.

What happened? So we go, we meet Jenna at the bottom of the stairs at the elevator. And we're going to the line L. suite. And it's, I've never been over there. It was the suites in the middle of one and two, which I've never gone to. So, uh, the lines for the elevator is long. We don't want to cut anybody in line. They're bringing the food up to the suites. So Jen is like, first she says, you want to go up to stairs. And I'm like, my fat ass is not want to go up to stairs. No. But at that point, I'm like, yeah, all right, let's go up there. So we go up there.

So we go up there. And as I get up there, I realize you can't take the stairs to the suite level. Yeah, they don't take it to the suite. You can't take it to the suite. So we get to the top. And there's a gentleman there working for the, I don't think he's working for a track. It was like a security guard for somebody. I don't know who outsourced somehow. And we're like, hey, how do I get to the suite level? Like, how do we get down there?

And he's like, I don't know, but you can't come through here. And I'm like, no, I know. We're not trying to, that was like that deck, that party deck in the middle of three and four. I'm like, no, we work for a race team, show my hard guards. I'm like, we're just trying to get to a meet and greet downstairs with this Lionel suite. Like, how do we get there?

And he's like, I don't know, but you ain't coming through here. So I don't know, we get that. He's like, you're supposed to take the elevator. I said, I know there was a lot of people in the elevator. I said, we didn't want to cut anybody. There's the different stuff going on there. I said, the elevator's right there. It's literally from us to that bathroom away.

I said, can we just jump on the elevator and go down the floor? No. And I'm like, come on. I'm not, we're not trying to hang out here. It's going to let people off. What does it get on and go down? It's like, it's right there. Nope.

So then the cop is, there's a cop standing there. I'm like, oh, he starts to chime in. And I'm like, all right, somebody's going to be the voice of reason here. And be like, that's not a big deal. like the guy in the back and I was like I just you know me you know me I was just I felt my blood pressure rising and I just turned around they were still talking I just turned around went back down the stairs if you were there and I was there it probably wouldn't have went much worse I would imagine but I was like we just got back down the bottom and kindly the people let us on the elevator and we

got up there and then talked to the fine folks in line out but I was like I think I had the top of the stairs I'm just I've settled here a hundred times higher the people who work at Disney world they're the sweetest nice as kind as people instead we find complete morons I take chick fillet people that'd be all right too something just it's just common sense thing you talk about all right what just get on and go down when they get off and the and the officer's like well how's it any different than budgering a line down there I'm like oh my god he literally said that he's like how's that any different I'm like they're getting off it's already here it's empty it's empty moving on to dbc picks congratulations Freddie you won this week with blaney

The thing is I said I wanted to pick first And I didn't think Denny Hamill was going to give me the first pick But he did So I think Freddy's going to take Bell But we'll see I'll take Blaney T.J Oh man I've got to beat Casey here

Can you beat her a tire? Where are you at? I mean I can tire But Jeff, you just have to pick the winner You can repick any of ours I don't have a Man I'm just I don't I got to go with either Bywin or Lugano

So I'll go with I'll go Joey swing it swing it damn it I will take who do I have left right oh we can pick anybody you can't pick anybody

I know the championship you just took my two MAPs you're screwing me here oh you got a you don't do this yourself okay I do it myself he just helps me I'll take makes not very much help

we know I'll take Redick. You already took Redick. I hope he said championship four. Bless her heart. No, it's not open game. You've already used it. I don't even know who I can take it.

This is your first year. Jesus. I mean, it's on the sheet. Just check the sheet. Yeah, just look at the sheet here. I'll tell you what. You got Cedric. Great out. I'm very confused.

Who did you pick, TJ? I picked, um, Joey. And you picked Blaney, right? Just pick for me. I don't even care. No, no, no, no, no. You got to pick. Casey, you have a playoff driver left.

I'll pick for you. She's got, she'll take Stadhouse. Kate, you have Byron left, Casey. That's a playoff line. I mean, don't tell her. I'm so confused.

I'll take Byron, but that's... Stop. I mean, sorry. That's not how we used to play it. It's every, how we play it every year.

Anyways. Credit's got to pick. I'll take Bell, obviously. Bell, he got you got a bucks in Homestead. Now this. Gluck,

that's Bell. Bell's been the best at those type of tracks all year. So, there you go. All right. How do we bring? The tie.

Rogue Chambot or something. Whoever won the most races first. Split the check. Yeah, we haven't done last year. The loser pays. Yeah, that's why I got a tie Casey right here. Oh. I don't even know who you got to look.

That was collectively probably our best week. We have four of the top five drivers. Who lost last year? Who was the worst? Casey, right? Oh, was you? You still owe dinner from last year. Damn.

All right. Are you going to be doing the lemonade stand at Teutano? It's looking like I have won the bet. I don't want to jinx it, but as of this morning, looking like I clinched the victory. Jordan will be at the lemonade stand, serving you lemonade during speed weeks. So the bed is the lemonade stand this year.

It looks like right now the poll is, I don't know. Where is the lemonade saying? In the fan zone, we've arranged. We just have to donate all proceeds to the NASCAR Foundation. And I believe we have to purchase the lemonade from like the Levy restaurants or whatever. Yeah. you know that part of the you have to buy the track food or whatever it is but um hopefully jordan uh will sell a lot of lemonade i don't know when when during speed weeks that'll be but

hopefully he'll get a lemon costume that'd be great when are you hit the phoenix wednesday we have thursday media day so you're here today for court yeah home tomorrow to home tonight home tonight hopefully couple days of home phoenix wednesday one day Thursday yeah all three series yep who you're going to ask the toughest question too the toughest question hmm I guess it depends uh what kind of funny business we see at uh well no I tell you what toughest question will be talking to these guys who if somebody gets penalized this week and we'll have to chase them down and do all this crap you know crap well you know how it is when you know you know somebody doesn't want to talk and you're like oh gosh there's a big

there's a big thing you have to like stake him out or something It's just exhausting this time of year, you know. You're already tired. You've been up all morning. Yeah. And you're dressed nice. Thank you. You are dressed nice.

That rant you went on was much more stern coming from you like that. If you were here, if you were here in normal. If you were here in normal clothing or something, you know, like, he's just kidding. Yeah. Yeah. That was. What about this year has Jordan driven you the most crazy about? He just, you know, he never says he's really wrong.

he is always seeming to take, I feel like he's taking the NASCAR perspective more and more, which irritates the crap out of me. What's fascinating that I don't think people realize is like, a lot of people come up to us and be like, you know, you're Jordan, do you like decide who's going to take which side of an argument before the show? And I'm like, that's his real opinions, dude.

Like the reason we disagree is he really thinks that stuff that he's saying. It's like we don't, like, that's natural. Like, all the arguments. We're not like, oh, yeah, you say this. And yeah, I'll do this. It's not like some Skip Bayliss thing or something. But, yeah, so he irritates me all the time. Do you think it's because you're actually not taking NASCAR side more so these days?

These days or like my entire career. I mean, I think they still like you, so that's a good sign. It depends on the week. Do you think maybe he's going to go work for NASCAR soon? Oh, God, I hope not. I hope not. That would be terrible for me. Please don't do that.

What do you think he'd be good at if he went to work for NASCAR? I don't think, I don't think it would work. I mean, he's, he would be good at anything. No, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he is such, he is the best newsbreaker I've ever been around at any job I've ever had. Because the sources he, I mean, even when he's not breaking stories, he's telling me, oh, I just heard from somebody that this happening, this happening. I mean, I mean, you guys talk to him the track tells you, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, he knows everything that's going on. And he just absolutely has.

these incredible sources that I just don't even, I've been around longer than he has, and I don't have like a tenth of the sources that he has. He's just really, really, really good at news. So you have to be able, like at the athletic, I mean, he has the ability to break that kind of stuff, right? But if you, all of a sudden, if you get to like a partner and they're like, ah, we don't want you to say that, you know what I mean? Like that's, so I think he's in a perfect place. So don't, don't leave me, Jordan, even though you're entertaining. Don't leave me. Has the, have the dirty Moe fans been nice to you guys this year? I mean, it's the first year under the banner.

Yeah, I mean, it's, this has been such an eye-opening year because first of all, like the exposure, like, you know, you see this in video clips now and stuff, right? Like, you know, the Dirty Mo people are so good at putting out social clips. And we never had that before. Like it was pretty much if you followed us, you could like listen to our podcast. I always felt like my audience for my entire career was people that like I had some sort of a relationship with. Like, you knew who I was. You chose to follow me. And now, because.

of Dirty Mo, so much of my face getting like pushed into these people's feeds. And, and I get all this negative feedback of like, I don't, like, I didn't ask for this guy. I don't want this guy. I don't want to hear from this guy. I don't want to see this guy's punchable face. So, you know, it's like, it's been a very different experience, right? Because before it might like, that's 20 years of people being like, all right, I want to follow this guy. And if I don't want to hear from him, I'll just unfollow him. Right. I don't have to consume his content. Now I'm being blasted into everybody, like, because of the tear down. So the, the first. So the, the feedback this year has been wildly different. And like, you get people that hate you so much more

easily and just want to tee off. And I'm like, why are you so angry? And I'm like, well, you don't even follow me. And, and, but they just don't want to see it. And they don't have any control over it. So I sympathize with them. But it's just been a eye-opening experience because there's been super positives, because more people, you know, 95, just like you, when you walk around the track, 95% of people at stop you want to talk about the podcast. Hey, love the podcast. Oh, you know, keep, keep giving a bread a hard time. They'll say to me, you know, keep fighting the good fight with Jordan or whatever. And, you know, but then there's the negatives too, which is just like, whoa, where did this come from?

Yeah. Well, we always love you coming on. I hate to publicly admit this, but it's always my favorite show of the year. I appreciate that. I think this is like my fifth time or something. Yeah, close to that probably. I think two years ago, you were the number one show. So I think we'll rival that today.

But Jordan just told me last night that the reason, that my, the show that I'm on is always highly rated. He says is because it's always post-Martinsville and something always happens at Martinsville. So it's Martin'sville not to do with me. I think it has everything to do with you. Next year you come on after Pocono, we'll prove him wrong. Because it's obvious that he's wrong a lot.

I think so. Thank you. My favorite, my favorite luck show ever was the, the, Kyle Bush one. Eminem's one. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's a friend. Is this your profile picture?

Like, every for a while was your phone like, but you're like, what's the is going on here? Oh, that was the old studio, too. Classic. Yeah, it was. Congratulations on another great season. Thank you. And you guys too.

Best of luck on Champ four week of coverage. And hopefully, hopefully Freddie's there to see you. Oh, man. Are you coming this? I don't know yet. You don't know. You just go.

You just go. It could go either way. It could go either way. It's a sport. Do you know something that Freddie doesn't? I know. I know the last time he spotted was. So that's why he was saying.

That's why he was saying. I can't tell you it's going to be cooler in Phoenix this time of here than I thought it was going to be. I noticed that it was going to be in the 70s for the highs. And I was already. He said something earlier. He's like, I hope the people that shouldn't get. He's trying to get a free vacation to Phoenix this week. That's all what's happening.

You got it wrong. You got it backwards. But no, it's going to be a great championship battle. and man, three great series, a lot of good personalities. I think Media Day is going to be the most fun. It's been on a while. Hey, before we leave, I do want to say, went to the tweet up yesterday, met an awesome DBS. I met a lot of awesome DBC fans at the tweet up yesterday.

But one guy, Wes came over. We had a pretty heartfelt conversation for a little while, so I just wanted to give him a shout. A longtime listener said some really hit home for me. So appreciate you for listening. Appreciate everybody for listening. Awesome time of the tweet up again yesterday. I've seen a lot of great fans out there. but we just want to give Wes a shout out before we took off today.

And Joe Emma is on next week. God bless us. I don't know if that's going to be too much. There's going to be a big box of beer on the table, I'm sure. Post-election, too. I can tell you all this, but he is hired a designated driver to drive him from Mount Airy, North Carolina, to here.

So he's coming potentially with his dog, but 100% with a driver. I hope it's not his truck driver. Well played. Oh, boy. On that note, have your week. We all holler. Word. Check out Dirtymo Media.

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