Door Bumper Clear - 355 | Phoenix: Logano’s Win May Prompt Playoff Changes & Joel Edmonds Joins

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

Freddie Kraft, TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, and Casey Boat are joined by DBC fan favorite, Joel Edmonds, to recap Phoenix and put a bow on the 2024 NASCAR season. Joey Logano wins the championship with the worst average finish of any champion ever – does this make his title illegitimate and will we see any changes to the Playoff format? Team Penske has now won all 3 Next Gen championships, can anyone dethrone their miracle run? Plus, we analyze all the notable quotes from NASCAR’s annual State of the Sport press conference.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. No good. I won. Don't ever drive, man. It'll come to you. You're a fucking idiot if you think that's right. Why that just because T.J. planned it that way. Ball three, one to get out back. You come in time here. You come and see up a bottle three. Model three, wax. It's hard to get lost. I mean, seriously.

Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Your. Bumper. Clear. So there. Popper. Popper. Clear. Clear. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spotter of the Sixth Cup car this weekend. Full schedule, 88, 42 truck, no arc erasing for me. But yeah, Phoenix is over. Congratulations. Do you want a beer at 9.30 at a morning? I'm actually surprised, but not surprised. Do you want a beer? Come on, man. All right. Brett Griffin, spotted for Austin Dillon this weekend at Jesse Love. I've also spotted for Austin Hill, AJ Almendinger, Will Brown. Tide Dillon a bunch of guys this year. Freddie, we've seen a lot of go down in this studio.

We've never seen anybody bring a designated driver. And the fact that he brought his dog makes me wonder if he's here in Moresville to chase tail or actually do this podcast. Joel? Yes. What's up, Freddie Crabs? Spotter for absolutely nobody this week.

Had an unplanned vacation. Hi, Casey. Hello, Mary offseason to all who celebrates. And as Brett mentioned we have two very special guests. One is much cuter than the other. Josie. Joel's dog.

I wasn't sure which way you were going there. Took a second. Oh, well. Well, there's always elephants in the room, but let's go first to the other elephant in the room. Freddie, obviously you took Tom off. Did the time fit the crime? My mother used to have a saying, if you do the crime, you got to be willing to do the time.

So did the time fit the crime? Yeah, yeah. Obviously, I was, I was very bold. about it all weekend. I sat at home, just crying. You look crying my eyes out. I saw him crying at the dirt track. He was looking for a spotter ride there. It was it, you know, obviously you want to be out there. You want to be with your team and everything. But the when they decided to appeal, I, to be honest, the appeal I didn't think was going to go in our favor. As you saw, I think the track house is the one that there's, you know, got denied or whatever. But I was going to have to fly out there Thursday

afternoon. And then if we lost the appeal, fly back on Friday. Because, you saw, I think, I wanted to be out there in case. If we won, I was going to do the truck race. So once they said they weren't appealing and some other things fell in line. I was like, okay, well, then I'm, I'm okay. Like, and my buddies are here racing this weekend so I get to go to, you know, caraway to watch North South shootout, which is 14 hours long for a one out to a hundred lap race.

Did you learn your lesson? Yeah, absolutely. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong to begin with. So I'm going to other thing you did. So you get a penalty. The decision make, the bottom line. decision maker in the car gets to go make some money.

It's tough when you listen to all the stuff and they're going, hey, hey, tell him. Hey, tell him on Channel 2. And you're like, it's a straightaway back. I mean, I know when to tell him stuff. They put y'all in an incredibly... This is coming from a guy that turned his channel 2 off one time. And that got me a promotion. You know, me and Freddie have a thing and I thought it was kind of exclusive.

we were the only two guys that I thought had ever spotted for Bubba in Cup. Yeah. Until now, yeah. Or maybe you missed a race. Somebody last year, yeah. Yeah. But what did you miss race for last year?

My dad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're an idiot. No. I was thinking on the way here, I was like, I miss races for my kids to be born. Yeah. TJ's missed races for medical reason.

Have you missed Cup races? Just when Puscha fired me for not talking to him on Channel 2. Oh, Cal. So I had 26 years and probably missed well. I got three kids, so I probably missed three races. I forgot about your dad passing last year. But it feels weird as to be sitting at home. Yeah, yesterday we were doing it.

I did that. I just like to make sure, one, to make sure I watch the whole race because you know how you know how it is, like being home, it's hard to just tune in. You got other stuff going on and to be there. So I was like, I want to do this live stream for one, just to, I'm going to sit here and watch the whole race and kind of being tuned with some of the other stuff that's going on. And then two, you know, we were like just to just to be, you know, have something to do all day yesterday.

But then we sat down and the same thing, Travis started off. And he's like, have you ever watched a cup race? And I was like, yeah, last year, Richmond. He's like, what were you suspended that too? I was like, no, my dad died. He's like, uh, that's when I found out that we weren't. Yeah, but we still got the, uh, we're the only two that have spotted for Biffle and Bubba.

Yeah, Biffle and Bava. Yeah. I don't think they'll take that away from us. I don't think anybody's going to beat us. We got that anyway. So did Bubba say anything about he misses you? Don't come back. No, he definitely didn't say he missed me.

And I'm going to pull. punch TJ in the face when I see him the other TJ. He said in his pre-raised speech, he said he had a big shirt to fill. That ain't funny, Casey. What the fuck you're laughing at? And I talked to him on Friday, and there was something wrong with his voice. And I thought, T.J's? Yeah.

Oh, God. Like he was, I don't know if he was sick or what. But I'm like, oh, boy. Nervous. I hope he wasn't nervous. It seemed like he did pretty well. I mean, they ran seventh. Seventh.

Yeah. Top 10 pretty much most of the day. that's a pretty race car. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. That's back-to-back years for the Star Wars scheme at Phoenix. It's pretty cool. This year was the Dark Side, I guess. You missed the Nelly concert.

Nelly? Yeah. Did he show it on TV? It was good. The volume on my cell phone sounded better than the speakers, unfortunately. Spent a million dollars, you get the guy there. Spend a million bucks on the sound.

Once they fired up the PA, though, for the pre-race stuff, it was awesome. But I wish they would have had him tied into the audio at the track, because I will say this. Oh, man, I don't know if it could have handled it. The venue where we were for that race is phenomenal. It is. You're not going to get a better venue and at-track experience for the fans anywhere else other than the Daytona 500 on this schedule.

Like it was literally that good. I mean, whether you were walking through the tunnel or you had, you know, infield access or the midway outside, like I checked out a lot of places. And it was literally a 10 out of 10. I was just there on Friday, and what you're talking about is even going on on Friday. Like, you have to walk through the midway or whatever you want to say to get from the garage to where we go to the spotter stand. And these people are acting like they're at Mardi Gras or the World's Fair. I mean, they're out there and there's dressing the flag colored bib overalls and drinking my reader. Yeah, something aren't dressed at all.

Many Talladega. Oh, yeah. The, you know, and that's what people, that's why are we going back to Feeney? Why do we keep going back? That's why. And listen, you know, talking about the race, that's, I know a lot of people are upset with the race. That's about as good as you're going to ask for out of Phoenix. You know, the end of that race where Blaney's, Blaney's able to pass.

You know, we've seen for years not being able to pass. Blaney's able to pass until he gets, you know, he's charging through the field there in that last run. He would have got Joey eventually. Yeah. And, I mean, they've run out of time. And it's just, but that's all you can ask for out of that place. That's as good as it's going to get, I think. I mean, they both, you're thinking, you know, with 20 to go, you're like he's going to catch him.

Yeah. He's going to catch him. Then he catches him. It gets within a couple tense, and he drops back to a half second. Then, you know, the way the traffic played out, everybody was real respectful, you know, except for a couple that don't know anybody's around them. I mean, when the 14 and the guys move out of the way, you know,

they're trying to do whatever they're trying to do. But it was a great race. I didn't like how it ended, but. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, it wasn't that great of a race. It was a great race for Phoenix. You know, that's the problem. You have such, you have low, you have low expectations.

So I'm sitting there watching yesterday and we got to that point where it's like middle of the second stage and we're talking about the football game that's on the other TV or or just, you know, taking questions out of the chat because there's just really nothing going on. And listen, that's a lot of, you know, it's a case in a lot of the, yeah, that's almost every, mile and a half. But there's still, but there's still, you know, there's going on, actually going on. I felt like yesterday, Blaney was the only one that was really able to pass. You know, he charged from 17.

Which made really interesting because where he started. how quick he got there. But I listened to your deal yesterday, and I had it going with the race going on, so maybe that took some of the dullness out of the... I haven't heard you guys talking about me a little bit. They were like, we don't know what he's going to say. We don't know what he's going to do.

He might be down there now. He might spend the night. But no, I enjoyed something different because, like, the middle of the races get so boring at times, spotting or driving or whatever. But like you guys had that deal going on and there's a little bit of the points. And I don't know.

I think if you're listening, you're more tuned in to strategies on what people's goals are for that run. And if you're not paying attention of that, you probably, you know, I'm not sure the TV can cover every single bit of that. Yeah. But if you're, you know, if you're listening, you're more involved for sure. That's definitely a big boost to the experiences whenever they, you know, the NASCAR. I think the NAP is pretty incredible. Yeah. I don't get much of a chance to use.

it for saying on the app or the app. I thought he said the nap, but I was not going to disagree with them. Yeah, the app, I think, does a great job of giving people access to in cars. I mean, they have everything, man. The stage ends were good, too. You know, like the first one, you know, they're three or four wide. And then on the restarts, you know, the 45 is trying, he tried some that he shouldn't have finished. The one where he got on the 17 and pushed him down, with one.

to his left. I'm not sure he didn't know who all was around him, but it worked out for him, but he was able to get really good runs off of two on a restart. He would kind of shade high or kind of back his entry up into one and just carry a lot of speed off two. And then I don't know what was going on.

And listen, that's, I always say that's the hardest place to spot. So, you know, I don't know that if you're driving straight down that backstretch coming at you straight, I don't know that Nick's clearing him in that situation. But yeah, he definitely moved down on the night. He was dead lucky. Even if he is, he doesn't know. because we all, if somebody's running way above you,

I mean, unless they're really close to you, it's hard to tell. But if he's way up and you're way down and the momentum difference. He was lucky that that didn't turn into a bigger deal because it kind of turned the 19 down into the nine and almost had the nine come across and wipe them all out. Yeah, I mean, a little more video and Nick will have that handled. How spoiled is Nick being in the championship for in his second year? Year two?

Yeah, I mean. New headset coming. Another one. Is this second or third year? Is he the guy with a custom headsets up there? Oh, dude, he had a custom headset before a cop. Just let you know. Oh, wow.

Two of them. Two of them? What, one for each season? He's on his second. He's on his second custom. So he's a different headset for every series. No, no, he's the same way. I'm saying he's on his second custom one.

He had a white one now. He's got a black one. What does he do for a living? I was out of spot. That's it, buddy. I'm a shame to say that the headset I use come from rich petty motorsports. Mine is for my,

I think this was my 26th year I just finished. And my headset is in, Mine too. Well, you got lucky with the, when we got the new headsets because you had the 3M sponsorship. Remember they, and you got, they were making them and I think you might, I think you got the first one. I had the first one because of the 3M Peltor or whatever. And then, you know, they've, now everybody has the same one.

It's crazy. I'm just don't, I don't put my stuff in a bag and take it all and make it look good. Like my bag right now. Like me and bread too. Like we put ours away very nicely. Oh, I've seen. I had mine on my truck right now. I actually put mine away.

Not when I get to the airport, I put it away, but I've seen how you guys put it. The only, Brett is the most amazing one to me. The only time. The only time, that's a similar, that's similar situation.

The only time that is, is to your detriment is, sometimes you're like pulling, you know, you're pulling it back out the next time and a cord will snap up and smack in a face or something like that, but that's the only time that,

yeah. My kiss of death is always, like, with about five to go, put my backpack on. And that is my checker Because if you put your backpack on

Like you're gonna get ready to walk They're gonna wreck I got Brett one time Where were we at? Was that Texas for the All-Star race? Brett started putting his shit away He's in the open

And he starts putting it away And he's he's There's like they're coming to the checkers So he's just taking his stuff off the fence And put in his bag And the checker flag comes out there On the cool down lap Brett takes his headset off

He's zipping his bag up quick And I look at him I go Oh damn you won the fan vote He's like What? What? I got to cut the truck off he got me because I was like,

you got to be sh** I hate this fias fan boat Yeah, the fan boat got me one time Casey Kane got boated in fan boat Is that a surprise though?

You should have just known Well, yeah But no, there's a lot of factors Because you had to be on the lead lap and you had to, this guy could have crashed He was a fan boat winner If two in five you wrecked

And they couldn't go on RP one If he won stage one He was transferring that way. Then it goes the second in fan load. The year I did Biffle, it was Brett's, I don't even know what birthday it was, but he was having a birthday party and we're like, it was me, Roman, a bunch of us and we're, there's no way in hell there drivers.

We're like, Roman's doing Trevor. I'm doing Biffle. Our cars have been awful all year long. They couldn't race each other. So I'm like, Brett's like, I think we're going to have, I'm going to have people over on Saturday night, you know, watch the race and stuff. And I was like, yeah, we'll be there probably, I guess. So first stage, Roman wins.

He's in. The second stage Biffle wins. I'm in. Brett's like, well, guess I'm just hanging out by myself. Yeah. I'm going home to party by myself. So back to this cup championship race. Three of the four were relevant all night. And I'm not trying to dog 2311 here.

But, man, there was a big separation between what those three were doing versus what Reddick was doing. And I think that it's certainly not a shot at Reddick's talent because I think he's a top three driver in the field easily. But it just shows how hard it is to show up with your greatest stuff. And, I mean, I even said last week on the show, they also have some distractions going into this. and that kind of leads me to my point here.

The injunction was denied by the judge for 2311 to race next year with charter status. And that raises a lot of questions, Freddie. I certainly don't expect you to comment, T.J. I don't, please, please feel free at will. I will. So, Joel, here's the first thing I want to say. If it stays this way and they don't win an appeal, losing this charter status cost them probably $4 million on average per car next year. And plus you tried to buy another.

So your budgets get jacked right off the jump. Then, to your point, you're trying to buy another charter of which you've gone to contract with Stewart Hoss Racing. And those contracts amounts have been said to be north of $20 million. Why would you buy something for more than $20 million that when you get it, you're refusing to run as a charter? It's muddy waters. And I hope that everything turns out okay for everybody, all sides, because we need everybody to play nice in the sandbox. and I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, the teams need more money. Well, that's what it's all about.

And I'm surprised that more of the other teams did not take this avenue. But now you know why they didn't. Would you want to be front row motorsports right now? I don't know. No, probably not. But I mean, somebody's got to stand up. But I remember the last time somebody stood up to him. If Michael Jordan had behind Denny Hamlin, there's no way Danny Hamlin could have stood up to this.

I mean, he could have, but he'd arrest his life. Well, they can't run Michael out of the sport, but I guess they can run him with no charters. I mean, like you say, this is as tricky as anything as I've ever seen since I've been here. And I remember years before I got into it, they said, we're not racing Talladegh. It's not safe. We sent him home. And one guy, who did they ban for a whole year and run out of the sport? There was somebody they blackballed and he didn't race for a year.

I don't remember. Neil might know. He'll get on the trivia and tell me in the second. but one of them said I'm not racing or I'm not doing something, and he did not race for an entire year because he went against the grain. And you can't go against this grain. I can because I don't give a damn, but, you know, I don't have any charters. We know.

By the way, y'all said 930 on drinking. No, I started 8.30. I cracked my, I took pretty a text. So you're not trying to buy charter. Just so. No. Give a few more beers, maybe. Yeah.

I'm me and Dale Jr. At some point, they're going to give us some charges. Just what we're like. All right. Well, let's look back at this past weekend. Our three champions have been crowned,

Joey Lugano, Justin Allgaier, and Ty Majeski. Any surprises with these three? I don't. Justin Alkyer, if you watch the race. Oh, my God.

I think that I was going to save, I was going to save Justin for my one idiot because even though he won, even though he won, he still was an idiot. He tried to give it away. Oh, I mean, you talk about just compounding a mistake. Like they're coming down to backstretch, or I guess it's the front stretch now.

And it seemed to me like he came down on the 98. He's trying to get underneath the 16. And he comes down on the 98. They make contact. His tire, his left rear tire gets cut. So now he's nursing that home. He's very, very lucky. This was the, in my opinion, this was the epitome of I'd rather be lucky than good.

Because he was the best car, clearly. But that was not going to matter if he doesn't. a caution at the right time because he cuts that he cuts a tire cuts a tire gets extremely lucky that doesn't blow the left for a quarter panel off that thing because he nursed at home for the last two laps obviously comes down you know then it puts them behind so what happens there you compound a mistake by trying to get a little bit get it all back on the restart you get out of line too early get a penalty then you speed serving that penalty and now you're trapped a lap down there's a green flag cycle and luckily for them they stayed out and caught a caution but brett i mean

talk about just if he if he doesn't catch that caution he's not in the championship. No, he's dead in the water, and I actually talked to Eddie DeHont about that yesterday, and it's pretty awesome. I mean, he saved a lot of things by coming back in one in that race, because there were some storylines there to play now. And honestly, if Riley, I know Riley Herp's past tech, and good for them. But if that car was legal, I'll kiss everybody's ass in his room.

I'm pretty sure Joe could have won in that car. Why would you take anything? If it's your last week, of your last, we're going out of business. And like, it's funny, I flew, I don't mean to get it right in front of you, but I flew out with some of the pit crew guys on Friday. And the guy was like, I said, why are you got all this? And he's like, well, they told me to, I had to clean my locker. I don't have anything on the truck.

I can't go to the shop anymore. So they were, you know, you've got to go pit all this stuff on weekend, but you can't come back. Was it Wednesday? I think Rodney was Tuesday or Wednesday. Rodney said like there was last day. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, Riley Herps was the fastest car by a lot.

And Justin was the fastest championship car, certainly throughout most of the race. I was going to win a race until the last yellow comes. out. I'm leading with Jesse Love. We're about four seconds from start-finish line. You were next one, did he? Cause she comes out. And then we got another restart, and then honestly, if Brandon Manette should have been there spotting for him, there's probably a better chance he

would have won because we've only got one race together. How do you get suspended twice in one year? I hadn't heard of a spotter getting suspended in my lifetime. I mean, maybe like somebody had failed a drug test. But like some like that, no non-track stuff. How have I not spent suspended? If anybody was going to get suspended twice in a month, it should have been you.

100%. And I don't come a We've got 50 plus years between us that we've never been suspended. But what are you? We're trying. Here's, and I don't know why. I didn't go back and listen. So you might have been doing it. Maybe we got to bring Jesse in here and beat him up.

But protect your right rear. Damn it, Brett. Yeah. So when I say looking high, I don't think he knew what I meant. Yeah. When I say looking high. Well, if you ain't got the jargon down, like I said, he don't. Again, I don't know what Brandon tells him in the scenario.

As if we're to play track, I tell him to get up. But there, I'm like, looking high, looking high. Outside. that. Outside. But again, we got a, if we had 10 races

under our belt, it probably plays out differently. Yeah. But it was a lot of fun working with him. And I told guys on RCR playing yesterday,

I mean, he's got the it factor. He's got it off the track. He's got it on a track. He's got speed. He's a nice guy. He stays level-headed, especially at his age.

And I said this to multiple people this weekend at the racetrack. And it's rare. We all agree. But I think we're all, between the ages of 17 and 22 in this sport right now, we have the most. talent we've ever had.

Absolutely. And even, and there's, there's still guys that people don't know about that are coming. You know, the Brett Cruz is, you know, obviously, everybody knows Zillich. Everybody knows Jesse. But there's guys that are, that are there, even maybe a little bit younger than that, that are, that are just. Yeah. I watched Cruz race, quite a few races. Girls too.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't say, I didn't say either sex. I literally said, I know. I was literally just talking to Freddy. I'm just saying like, drivers. We, and it worries me. And it worries me.

Because if you don't have, I hate to say this out loud, but if you don't have three to four million dollars a year behind you, either in sponsorship or in family money, you're not going to get there. No, I had a guy, I had a guy, modified guy, call me a couple years ago. And he's like, I can run this truck for X amount of dollars, you know, and it's a pretty good opportunity. And I was like, it was probably a hundred thousand a race back then. I mean, it wasn't a good truck. So I said, unless you have, unless you have, unless you have that. money that you'd like to set on fire. Like if you have that amount of money that you'd like to just set on fire, then by all means do it because that's what you're doing. You know, even if you win the race, you can go out there, dominate, lead every lap in a subpar truck, you can take this subpar truck, go out there and dominate the race and guess

what's going to happen? Somebody's going to call you and go, man, we'd like you to drive our truck. Do you have $100,000? Or, you know, next year we want you to drive our truck. Do you have two million? You know, like it doesn't matter the talent. And that's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing, I think, with the charter.

If you've got a little money, you'll be surprised how many people call. No matter what you're getting ready to make a point of. The biggest thing that we were hoping the charter agreement was trying to promote was if you give these teams more money, they don't have to take the money versus talent that we've seen over the last couple of years. The money's getting the ride over the talent. You've got guys like Chandler Smith. You've got guys like Ryan Truex that are race-winning drivers at Gibbs right now

that are out because of guys coming in with money. For drivers, an arm is good. No offense. I shouldn't say not as good because they're unproven. but you have guys that are winning races in your equipment and you're kicking them out for guys that are unproven. So, you know, that was the biggest thing for me that I was taking away from hoping the teams got more money in the charter agreement was if they get more money, they rely less on sponsors. They can go out and now we have the best drivers on track versus the best drivers that also happen to have money. It's like hiring your pit crew.

You're not hiring the pit crew guy because he's bringing money. You heard him because he's fast. Yeah. You know, and that's what you want to be able to do with your driver. You don't want that to have a, to be the situation. If we don't fix this in 10 years or in deep, deep, deep, deep. I don't think it can be fixed. It's from, it's from late model racing.

Yeah. It's on up to everything. And I mean, it doesn't matter. It can be fixed. I don't know if you can't. But even on the lower series, you can't. Even on the local regional trucks, how are you supposed to do that? Well, the fix is if they get enough money like Brett's saying, if the teams made enough money.

Absolutely. That they didn't have to, you know, their car could be, they could look like the M&M Schrader car the rest of its life. And we put who we won't in it. Yeah. Remember when Chip Gannasi would go out and sign a bunch of young guys? Remember when Roush racing would go out and sign a bunch of guys? A lot of places would.

People you'd never heard of. Those guys weren't bringing money. That was agents like Jeff Dickerson out there, scouting talent. This is where Jeff Dickerson made his name in the sport. It's not as Spire Motorsports. He made his name in the sport being a talent scout. And he would go to guys like Jack Roush, guys like Chip Gannasi, and say, hire Ryan Hip Hill.

hire Kyle Larson, hire Ross Chastain, they're going to make it. One of these four is going to make it. Well, what they do is they, the Rouse would give them seven-year awful contracts. Oh, yeah. But nonetheless, you're a Roush contractor, tractor driver. You have a three-year plan to run trucks, a two-year plan to run Exfinity. And if you're good enough, they're going to pick up your cup option, and they're going to take you cup racing, just like they did with Kurt Busch, and just like they did with Greg Biffle. And it's hard to say, it's hard to say, there's a guy running the 17 car right now.

that is a product of that program. And they loaned him out for two years, right? Yeah. To front row. While they still loan the rights to him. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,

they said, we don't have anything for you right now. So they put him somewhere else. Yeah. And then brought him back. And granted, you know, now that Brad's helped turn some stuff around over there.

Yeah. I mean, Roush used to have, we got a truck ride. We're going to have a damn TV show. Let's all go to Carraway. Let's see who the best guy is. They get a ride next year.

You know, it's kind of like Biffle, had it not been for many Parsons, you know, who knows? How do you fix the local level though? You know what I mean? So we can get it at a second. Even worse than that.

Yeah. Here's the thing, TJ. Sponsorship back then was abundant. That's what allowed teams to go out and find these guys. Sponsorship right now is not abundant. So they don't have the capital to go out and find these guys. But to your question, the local level is a few hundred thousand dollars a year. And a successful business owner can contribute to that or a successful

dad and grandpaw can contribute to that. But when we're talking about buying $5, $6, $7 million a year rides, the talent literally can't be out the window and that's what's happening. And let's be clear, you're talking $5, $6, $7 million rides is Xfinity. A year.

Is Xfinity? Per year. Per car. No, I'm saying, we're not talking about the Cubs series. We're talking about Xfinity. We're talking about start at Sam Hunt and finish at Joe Gibbs Racing that range. Yeah.

Yes. I mean, it's like the truck series. I think you spend about the same to try to get a truck ride as you do, It's not much difference. And the pay. But the difference is... Like they find the guy $12,500 for not making media day.

Do you even win that if you win Martinsville? No. I mean, if you win the race, you get a nice clock. You might win about that. Maybe, I don't know. If you finish third, you don't win $12,000. I mean, what are we doing? Yeah.

I mean, and when you talk about it in... We heard rumors that one guy was going to bring money to an expending team, and they offered something crazy like you're going to make $30,000 this year. and then maybe hopefully some bonuses. Like, who the hell is going to do that? The guy that he drives for is one of the guys that employs drivers with no sponsorship. Yeah. And he actually has paid truck series drivers.

So, which is cool that, you know. His model. He has enough successful company, Duke Thorson, who we all know. I mean, I'm, TJ doesn't like say names on here. I will. Thor sport. That guy owns 40 companies, right? It's insane.

He's out of Sandusky, Ohio. It's a beautiful operation. He loves horses. I've been up there toward it, and he's a racer. But he can't afford to go play at the cup level doing what he's doing. Yeah. Because he's playing at an $8 to $10 million a year budget across his teams. And he's obviously getting some sponsorship to help and some manufacturer love.

But to which Freddie, I guess Ben Rhodes, I mean, Ben Kennedy got confused on who the sponsor was. Or who him was his shirt. Oops. They switched to Toyota again. I mean. But to your point, T.J., like, that's what we have to have at the Cup series to make it the best racing in the world. Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's great.

that that's happening there. I wish it could happen more because then you're going to see more talented drivers with no funding come up. As of right now, it's going to happen at 2311 next year. Because if they don't have these charters, somebody's going to have to come up with three or four million dollars per car to compete. And it's fortunate that they have a guy like Michael Jordan that allows them to do that. I just hope I'll be run good all year next year.

Speaking of the Westport. I also get to go to every race. Same. Two years in a row now, I've had a miss one. I hope I could do it all 36. next year or 38, whatever it is. I don't know if Meg would support that or not. Speaking of Thor'sport, does anybody think Christian Eckus is upset?

He let Ty Majeski in the final four now. I mean, there's a, that, that's the ultimate, you know. What idiot. What do you say to the guy when? I guess you should have, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I mean, that was the move that we talked about that you got to think big picture. Yeah.

And listen, he didn't finish second. I'm, Heim finished second, but he was a lot closer to Heim than he was Majez. Majes. Majesky. And I think as much as we all hate the one race playoff, the I'd rather see that. It was a boring race. The Majesky killed him all night long. But I'd rather see that. I'd rather see the best guy.

If we're going to have a one race playoff, I want to see the best guy that day with the fastest truck and the best team. Listen, Joe Shear, Joe Shear knows how to massage on some shit to make it fast. Like, he's, he's one of the best. He's had many vacations as well. He knows what to do. And that thing the other night was a missile. I like we're talking about it. You know, I was like kind of trying to live tweet during the race.

And you see Christian Eckus come out and kind of not throw a Hail Mary because they were the third best truck and they were only a couple seconds off of them. But they got a, I don't know, 10, 12 lap tire advantage. And he blitzes right to third. And he gets the third and you look at the lap times and Majeski's two tens faster than the guy on fresh tires. And you're like, okay, this is over. You know, so they just, to me, tie is the story as well. And I hope he gets some, you know, tie came from winning race is actually. kind of bet on himself went to be an engineering stop you know only got a partial schedule to go

and be able to drive and yeah now he's a champion so and i know uh you know freddie i'm not but the hell um herm spent a lot of time with tie bringing him along doing the late models doing whatever he could do to help him and i know they're good friends it's like with with duke you know it's crazy how that that whole deal with all those trucks but tie every week is way faster. Like all four of us, and when I'm there, there's four other ones, but we're all the same speed and ties here. Yeah.

And that's hard to figure out as a company. You know, when you've got three or four cars and you show up, and like Blaney. Yeah. Blaney and Ligano, obviously, were pretty damn fast. Yesterday, pretty equal. Yeah. I know we got to jump into this whole show, but before we do, I told TJ this yesterday on the roof, you weren't there for it.

Thanks for you weren't there for it. But have you ever seen a driver in NASCAR's top three series leading a race coming into the last corner and just completely forfeit his spot. Justin Algar did that on Saturday. And I'm not saying it was wrong. I'm not saying he didn't make the right decision for him in his career. But for the first time in my life in racing, I watched a guy. Hand on the fucking win on the last corner of the last lap.

I heard the audio. I was watching it back this morning because I didn't watch it Saturday night. And it was, it said, Eddie, man, I think Eddie said something like, we're not racing. We're not racing. We don't need him or something like that. We basically told them to like back off. Don't force it. It's tough to do.

I'm not saying. Eddie did the wrong, wrong thing. I'm just saying, oh yeah. As a racer, as people are listening to this show, who grew up like the rest of us did,

loving racing from the time they were almost in their mom's womb until now. We've never seen a guy quit on the last lap of the last corner. I mean. Because he has to. Yeah. I'm thinking about it as driving. I'm doing the same damn thing. I'm not saying I'm doing the same thing.

I'm not saying I would. I'm not saying. I'm doing the same thing. You got a guy with the fastest car all night behind you. But we talk about this format. The damn cops are back. Every time I'm done here. That is true.

I haven't seen him since. He tried to do so much to give it up in the middle of the race. I think he decided to play a little bit. Same thing. I'm not saying he should not. Well, they had contact on that. Yeah. You think that, you think he's thinking about that going,

is this guy mad or what I do? Riley going into that corner behind me. It's out of not doing it. It's out of the ordinary. He's going to work for Freddie next year. I'm making a business decision here. I'm going to give him the bottom. And props to Eddie, for it's like, we don't need this guy, you know,

because I don't know if you know all what's going on. I'm just making a point of. No, we don't race. You don't race like that. But culture. Do you talk about a culture shift? The guy winning the race and winning the championship gave up on the last corner for the win. I mean, I've seen a championship end there with when a guy gave another guy at the bottom

and he lost championship too. So I'm not saying, you know, that wasn't going to cost just in a championship. But I don't trust. I trust Daniel Hemrick a lot more. I trust Riley. Honestly, if I was him, though, I would have done the same thing after how his race went.

Like, he almost lost it multiple times. If I'm in this spot and all I got to do is give up one spot. I love the bigger fire every time. I saw Jeff Gluck in the garage and he mentioned and I didn't watch any post-race. The hell were you doing in the garage? For many of this.

There was a free lunch, but TJ actually had free lunch to get on the roof, so I eat twice. But Jeff and I were talking and who's his counterpart? My buddy Jordan. Jordan. He was wearing. He was wearing a guy.

I love to give Jordan a hard time. He was wearing one of those go-to-heel hats. These people probably don't even know what that means. Yeah, I got a little small brim hats. Can go, yeah, yeah. And he mentioned that Riley said in his post-race that there were podcasts out there and media people that didn't believe in him. And Jeff was like, I don't know what those podcasts are.

And I'm like, well, it might be us. Have we ever docked him? I don't think so. No. I don't think he highly credit when he's won his races. Yeah, I do want to call out, though. That was SHR's last race win after they're shutting down. I mean, what is that show you for?

the sport and where where are these crew guys going where like have you yeah more so more so I mean just you two I mean I don't know how many how many both of you spent multiple years there I think that was six years I think those are like eight but I might be wrong I think a lot of them are getting moved to different

places I've talked to a few guys that are staying with the with the custard deal the factory team and you know a few of them are going to go back to the front rows or whatever but I think they'll be okay but you know i saw tony was there like as soon as they won he was hugging the crew guys and all that which is kind of a i mean i'm not taking a shot at him but it's kind of slap in the

face you know you don't i was there six years i don't know how many times i saw the guy and you got to be present to win and it's just not his fault or shutting down probably but i mean i think you got there when tony was getting out because he was there pretty much he was there a lot when i was there my first year he was around a lot he's the day my mom was having hip surgery in charlotte we were at the roble and he stood beside of me that whole race at the roble on the spotter stand and so i think that's when you went to turn one on everybody and that's why we all moved down there i think you got there when when he got sick of it yeah well and i understand to getting sick of it part because there's there's so many things that are not like they're supposed to be yeah and i mean

after the race, they come out, I mean, literally last week, was it 27 minutes to we figure out what the hell we're going to do? And then we still mess it up? Because really, there's no way if there's a fix-in and there's a fix-in and whatever, just put three in and say, okay, we know these three had nothing to do with anything, but I still think they messed that up. And, I mean, they took them 27 minutes to mess it up. And then they only messed with one part of it.

So it's kind of like to just, let's just go home tonight and we'll figure it out in a couple days. But then you get them to like Tuesday. Or just text you and ask you. Yeah, they should just get your number. Well, I mean, it's pretty simple. I mean, I don't want to get suspended again. So if I fill it in for you. See, I was worried about you because if you got suspended, you won't get through the 500.

Like if you did. Yeah. That was a weird deal. Like if you. If we appealed, it got worse. I think that was ultimately two things that led to not appealing was just stop distracting. on the 45 car. Like we need to get our eggs

basket. And two, they could have suspended Bubba. For that race, they could have added to our suspension. So it was just better off. But if you're going to really set the tone, it probably should have been the drivers too. I mean.

Oh, 100%. I mean, I tweeted that. I asked you for saying that publicly this week. I will tell you this. I said this on the show last week. You're suspending the soldiers. You're not suspending the generals.

And the generals are making the calls. And that's not, unfortunately the driver. It's damn sure not the spotter. It's probably nowhere near even the crew chief. It's probably not the general manager of the facility. It's way above. And yeah, good luck.

I mean, we're learning what not to say. Can't say wrecking. Who's your Dave Rogers? He wasn't going anyway. I mean, he was going. Just in case Tyler won. He was going to be there. Pictures.

But I mean, what the hell? I mean, you're going to suspend the VR person? I don't want to get into too much, but I love it. You know, like, you can listen to my audio, and they're telling me stuff on Channel 2. I listen to your audio. I listen. And I'm like, that's why I shut it off. You know, I mean, that's why I turn Channel 2 off.

He's just telling me what to say, and I'm like, dude, you don't even know the rules. You can't do this right now. So when they're telling you to tell him something that's going on straight away behind him, and you know, when you hear it, I do not need to repeat this. It's kind of like you're like, I don't even want. I don't even want to, I wish I hadn't even heard it. Yeah. Because I know no need to repeat it, but I know I've got to now.

But to your point, the problem is the problem is, the problem is everybody heard it. And the reason why you hear like the team execs, you know, if you listen to audio, booty's the one telling me stuff on channel two and I'm deciding whether or not to relay that on channel one. Or how to do it. He's not, that's not, a lot of that's not even booty. You know, that's not booty's idea. That's why that's what you're talking about, like the people above, whether it's manufacturer or whoever. One of the worst ones was the 16 car.

Yeah. And listen, when they say, hey, this is coming from Chevrolet, and I'm like, who says that? But we let the mobballs keep his job. The 77. The 77's audio, it might be the, they, he's not directly behind the 24, so he's probably that's how he gets out of this. But if you listen to the 77's audio, it might be worse than anybody's in that old scenario.

His audio's funnier because T.J's going, I don't know what the hell the 77's doing for seven minutes. And it's like, hey, Jay, I didn't want to get a weekend off, man. T. I didn't know how smart he was. He's like this. I'm just going to play this. Like I got no clue what the hell's going on.

Let them do whatever they want to do. Well, before we head into spot on, spot off, I do want to take a moment to recognize Bobby Allison, who is a true NASCAR legend who passed away over this weekend. So we'll take a moment of silence for him. Hey, everybody. It's Mike Davis. Now, if you love the outdoors like I do,

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Spot off. Spot off. Spot on. It was super fun yesterday to write her out. I'm Aaron. I am spot off. Damn. Where do you come from? First topic. Joey Logano won the 2024 Cup Series championship with the

worst average finishing position for a champ in history. TJ, spot on, spot off. I mean, spot on. He did everything that he was required to do to win the championship. He didn't, you know, like we were just talking that he was out at the roval. Get to call later, you're in.

And then the very, when that next show, So I'm pretty sure I said that this is not a good, you know, this is what you don't want. You don't want to give this guy, he feels, when he feels like he's the underdog, he's very dangerous. And he went into all these races feeling like that. And everybody doubted him and kept putting them stats in front of his face. And all you're doing is fueling the fire for him. That's how he works. So, you know, spot on because he won the championship legit way.

Like he didn't, he wanted how he should have won it. one race is when he needed to. We take one of them races away. Maybe he doesn't win. We take one DQ away. He's probably he's not in, but guess what? That's not how it is.

So, yeah, I think you have to be spot on. He won in this format. And listen, the average finish is 17.1, which is not great. But the, you know, whether you like it or not, they played the system the best. NASCAR has taken steps in the years,

in the last, whatever, half, you know, since this, this format really came about to be more like some of the sticking ball. sports and this is what you're getting. You see this a lot in football, in baseball. The wild car team gets hot, can carry it to the Super Bowl and they win. Do I like it? No. I don't think it, it taints the word champion for me because the champion for me was always the guy that performed best best all year long. He had a full season of, you know, you were the best guy all year long.

You're the champion. You know, the race wins were race wins. That was the champion, that guy that performed best all year long. This is not the guy that professed, you know, that was the best. best guy all year long. I'll tell you, you know, I've seen stats that he's this, you know, this is now the worst average finish for any champion. You know, it was second worst. Ryan Blaney last year at 14 something, you know, the year before or the, when Joey won the last time, it was the second or third or fourth worst average finish. So, you know, this is, this is what this, you know, format brings. This is what you're getting. And, Brett, I mean, this is what they want, essentially.

If you told me for every week I had to finish first, I have to finish first, I have to finish last. That means every other week I'm on a winter race. I don't give a about an average. Like I was on the show early in the year pressing the Ford panic button as hard as anybody in this industry. You screwed up. And once again, it didn't matter because at the end of the day, at the end of the year, the guy who played it the best with the best amount of luck and circumstances came his way. When he won that first race in the round of eight, we were like, uh-oh, Jeff Gluck said on here last week saying Penske's an open notebook. He's going to be

better than he was and he won the race. So like I can't be upset that Joy Lugano won. I can't be upset. I don't care where his average finish is because what's the best average finish? Ninth. I don't know. Like it's called that matter. Chase is it's 11.75. 11.17. average finish probably isn't even that great. I mean people and listen, average finish sounds like you should be in the top six. That doesn't happen around here. It's too competitive. Too many teams. Too many things go wrong. But spot on for what Lugano, Ford, and that team did. He is an elite.

He was already in the Hall of Fame. Now, whether you like this championship format or not, and I don't, but he is an elite company. Yeah, there's very few with three. And you've got to be spot on for him because no matter what the format, he tried, you know, they figure it out. And that's a Pinsky thing. And he's very, he's very good at, you know, the game seven moments.

but at the same time, if it's going to be four races, why are y'all running 38? I mean, there's got to be a better way. They need to figure out how to make it to where it's 10 races with four guys or whatever they do, but it's just going to be hard to keep, whether they're illegitimate or not, they're still championships because nobody cares.

But it's not perfect. So I don't know how you fix it. I just know it's not perfect. Jeff Buck added a second poll this week. He says part two of my poll. What is your preferred NASCAR playoff format? And it was the elimination style, the original chase where there was 10 cars in it for 10 races,

and then the full season. And the elimination format is losing at 16%. Yeah. And listen, the way I look at, it's hard for me, if you're one of these drivers, you know, you have a large Larson this year, won six races, the best car I felt like throughout the year. Maybe the points don't reflect that. I don't remember he was going to be maybe the

regular season champ if he came to Charlotte. But like would you rather have that season where you're the dominant guy six races or do you want to be the guy that just won Charlotte and you're the champion? Like I think I think there's more emphasis on just now winning races versus being the champion. Oh, for sure. But I mean, this all started probably in Nashville. What would you rather have, T.J. six wins or a championship? I'd rather have a championship. I had to six wins. We won six times. in 2005 or something and lost by 20 points. I mean, there's a lot of guys. But is this still, like, it's, for me, anyway,

I don't know if everybody agrees with me, this is not a, it doesn't feel the same. It's not, you know, it's not a, Biffel, like the year Biffle won all those races and finished second. That's, you know, it's, it's not the same as somebody didn't just beat him in the last race. Somebody beat them throughout the course of the year, you know. So it's just,

team version of this championship. Well, the championship you win, you know, you win forever. six races. You know, I've got a box of hats at home moves. Every win. I've got every victory lane. I mean, at the end of the day, in my opinion, like here's where I'm at. Like at the end of the day, like Denny, obviously, these guys great. Hopefully we show up Daytona. But the, you'll be there. Probably a new Smyrna.

You know, at the end of your career, like, you know, what's going to look better, you know, if you're a guy that's Denny is going to have. Give me three Daytona 500. 60 wins. Three champion, three Daytona 500, 60 wins, maybe more. you know, or one championship somewhere. There's no difference now. The Daytona 500 is one race.

The championship is one race. You still got to make the final four. Yeah. Mexico City, Daytona 500. Same. Is that where they're going? That's where they're going. That's where you're going.

I ain't going. Y'all going to Dubai. I'm going to next. Did I say that right? Did you buy that right? You can't bring that on here. Dubai. Dubai.

Dubai. But you can. And I'm correcting you with my redneck isms. It's just like Brett with Parker. What's his name? Clingerman. Yeah. Y'all have fun with that. Timmy Hill.

But, uh, you know, look, Joey won this, this, like I was saying, this started in Nashville whenever he crept up on all them yellows and then next thing you know. But like that's, like it's such, it's, and listen, there's nothing that he did wrong, but it's so circumstantial. He's not going to win in Nashville already. So we have 100 green white checkers. He's out at the roval. You know, he's just, it's just, it's all.

This is the way he, this is the way he, this is the way they are. I mean, this is just. If the cautions don't fall right at Vegas, he doesn't win that race. You know, like it's just everything just lined up for it. When it does, and he's good enough, he keeps himself in them positions, though. And Paul and then Paul knows Paul's really good at putting him in them positions to, you know, be what he can do what he can do. And he always, he excels at him. So good for them.

And this will lead right in the next topic, Casey. But, you know, when they get there, they're buried a damn near unbeatable. Yeah. It's like, okay, you took, you just took a seven. he plays car, you can't put him in the front. Now he's the, now you can't get around him. Oh, that's a perfect segue. T.M. Penske recorded their first ever

won two finish in a NASCAR championship and have won all three next gen titles. They will continue to dominate the championship race at Phoenix in the next gen era. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. I mean, how do you spot off at this point? I mean, even yesterday, you know, last year, at least, you know, Ross beat him, but Blaney was clearly better than Ross. But I feel like he had to race Kyle. a little bit. Yesterday,

it wasn't close. You know, Byron could maybe stay a few seconds back, but the two of them, Blaney was clearly the best car on a long run. Joey could fire off really well. And it was a matter of,

you know, listen, there's, there's, Kyle should call, I'm sorry, Joey should call Kyle Larson today and give him a little praise

because Larson did his job to hold up to 12 just long enough to, I mean, and Larson's not doing anything wrong. By no means, he's racing hard. The brother-in-law did too a little bit about three hours.

So the, you know, to, but they were the class in the field. There was nobody even close on speed yesterday. So to think this is going to change, it's just, you know, it's not going to happen. No. I mean, spot on that they're taking advantage of some of their best tracks. I mean, going to the Martinsville, we end the season at two of Ryan Blaney's best tracks. Yeah. Brett, is this not the biggest proponent of either one, a three race playoff or two, we have to go to a

rotating championship track. Where are you going to, like somebody tweeted me last night, said, we need this championship race at Charlotte. And I'm like, dude, Charlotte's a, it's not, it's not, it's not great. Yeah. The racetrack is way better than Phoenix is racetrack, but the facilities are 30 years outdated. Yeah. You have to take this somewhere that the weather should be good.

I don't think it's, I don't think it's going to be 70. I don't think it's going to be 70 degrees, but the weather's got to be 50 plus degrees. You got to be in a good market, which you are, obviously, in Phoenix. It could be cold and rainy. if the championship raises in Charlotte. I mean, I tweeted this last night. This was the best race you're ever going to get at this race track with this car in this series. Was the Xfinity Series race better?

Yes, it was for me. But I also told Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi in the garage before the race. I hope we don't see this come down to a stupid caution with five to go, which sends us into a pit stall, pit stop cycle, which sends us into one restart, and that determines who win the championship, because that's not right. Thankfully, we didn't get there. The only thing I was very disappointed in yesterday, and I watched all 312 laps, I was very disappointed that Ryan Blaney couldn't pass him because he was way faster

and he could not. Once Joy Arrow blocked him two or three times, Blaney gave up because he knew he didn't have time because he didn't get there quick enough. He got there with 10 to go, 8 to go, and by then it was too late. And I want to see the fastest car prevailing. It would have been a better story. Well, I mean, it actually starts before that because the restart, you know, Blaney didn't get as good

as a restart as Joey did. And that's where, that's what created the gas. But who do you think is better on restarts, time over time? Joey. Every time. Joey, yeah, and he got through there quicker. And, you know, maybe that's a point where

Blaney lines up behind him and, hey, this guy's going forward. I need to stick with him because he's the guy I'm going to be racing. Right. You know, but I mean, you can look back and say that now, but you also don't, I don't want to line him behind him. What if I get stuck? You know what I mean? Absolutely.

But that's where it all starts. is that pit stop where you come off pit road who had to better stop you know and the 22 had the penalties too which did absolutely nothing um didn't affect them at all so he he had a pit box too right mass car chose his pit box where was it at did it help him it was like it was like it was middle in the back stretch it was like right when the corner started but the cars or around them were lapsed down before it even began okay so i knew he wasn't getting a good one at the line at the end of pit road too so that that advantage was kind of gone yeah that helps not having the inbox or if you don't have you still won't install one for sure just for traffic

and whatever but i thought it was weird watching the races this week um the boxes everybody was complaining about the boxes being slick i didn't see saturday was bad they're friday was really bad i mean they're big i'm fine with that big slick boxes yeah on a curve pit road yeah weird do we need to call clen on this and see if he likes the big six Clint's been texting already this morning. That might be the biggest pit road. Here's what I love about Clint's text. I'm going to throw him on the box.

He sends me this long-ass text about what we need to say on here. You are on TV 14 weeks a year on Fox. Why don't you get on Fox and say this shit? So do we need to have him on the Christmas episode? He's coming down here for Christmas. He'll be somewhere. Like vacation's 25 weeks a year. I love Clint.

I'm throwing him on a bus on purpose. All right. Moving on. Anything in this text message you want to read out of loud, Freddie. Yeah, let's read it all. I don't even know what the hell some of it. Here's the way he started. I sure hope you boys put that race yesterday on blast. Like what? Who's car? K-A-R-R. We're putting it on blast. We're putting it on blast saying it's the best race you're going to see there. Yeah. In this day and time with this cup series car, with this tire, with this everything. And you're not going to get better than what you got yesterday, ever. And it, it wasn't a good. It wasn't a good. It wasn't a good.

race but it's it's gonna be green white checker what's your poll 40% right now I bet yeah 40 I just lost it you know but that 42% say yes it was a good right that's the best that's the best you're gonna see at Phoenix you know what I mean that's well I'm gonna go and tell you if if the depends the winner can change that song yeah but it's it doesn't be the race oh it don't matter who it matters in the poll I said on my Twitter you can't say this was a bad race so they don't they're not going to vote because of that now they're going to listen to you Yeah, it's Twitter. So they're just going to listen to you.

Of course they're not. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's X, by the way. Jesus Christ. We're only an hour in. We should start spot on, spot off. Is this going to be another three-hour deal?

If Chase Elliott led every lap. I'm going to lead a D-D-2. If Chase Elliott was running for a championship. We got a van. We got a van. And let every lap at Phoenix, it would be 80% of a good race. I don't know. I don't know.

Can you say that? Because Kyle Larson is more popular than Chase Lill. It wouldn't have been 80. It would have maybe been 50. I think it's about a 10% swing on the winner. The fan vote is a bigger. The fan vote is a bigger conspiracy than anything going on in the political world. All right. Let's move on.

Chase Elliott is not the most popular driver. No. Freddie, do you agree with me or disagree with me? I did see this. I agree with you. I think Ryan Blaney's the most popular driver. And I saw a tweet. Now we got another guy.

I saw a tweet to this that I thought was somebody tweet. I couldn't remember who it is now. but they said walking around the fan the fan day and maybe because Ryan's in the final four now. I saw this. But they said there's way more Ryan Blaney merch here than anybody else in the sport. And, you know, I don't, I mean, I think that Chase wins the fan vote. I don't know. Chase wins because I have some tea ballots. And his father. Mail in. And people, people that have died.

And the one thing I want to be, listen, we get a hard time. We, we give Chase here. We get a, we get it. Listen, Chase has never asked to be the most popular driver. And so like the fact that he doesn't want to be He's like me He don't like people Yeah Like he goes and does his own deal He won't do

What is that Netflix or something They want to do? He's like no I'm good Netflix Nickflix Chase is great for the sport He's obviously extremely popular He's very successful

He's a champion He's a Hall of Fame guy He's got the greatest team under him And one of the greatest sponsors I mean Napa may be the longest Tenured big sponsor left I don't know that anybody's Maybe Bass Pro

be interesting. I was here when Sitco Petroleum stopped sponsoring the Wood Brothers after 16, 17 years, they would arouse for a couple years. Having those big, long, tenure sponsors is awesome, but Chase is great for the sport. Everybody, Chase Elliott fans, calm the f*** down.

We're not against them. My dog needs to calm down. Before we get more hate now. She's getting excited from you. A lot of laps. Speaking of people there, shout out to the guy in the Bill's sweatshirt that I saw walking in every week. You see somebody in a Bill's skier

so. You're an idiot. All right, moving on. In the annual state of the sport address, NASCAR's C-O-O-O-Donell and NASCAR's president, Steve Phelps, meet several notable comments. One, including boys have at it is over. Two, several new OEMs are close to joining.

And three, O'Donnell saying, I don't feel we have an officiating issue at all. Joel, calm down. You want to go first, Joel? I think I found out that that have added deal. was over at Home State. In a truck race. Let's quickly touch on all three of them.

I'll go first here. I think that NASCAR is indirectly announcing a rebrand. And I say that because boys have at it is dead. They penalized Joel's buddy, Anthony Alfredo. Oh, yeah. During the race, they parked him for a parade to park him. They should have parked him. They put him on pit road for two laps and held him for aggressive driving for right rear

and a guy on purpose. They've clearly taken away what we've beat on this show for however many years we've been doing it, seven, eight. Win at all cost is dead. Austin Dillon won at all cost, and he got destroyed. He got to keep the win, but he didn't get into playoff, which is the most hypocritical bullshit I've ever seen, by the way. But we're at a point where NASCAR is drawing a line in the sand, and they're telling you

they don't have an officiating problem, but everything else they're telling us, is we're going to do more officiating than we've been doing. They just did it last week. Suspending nine people. One of my favorite parts of that quote, that was the one that stuck out to me was we don't have an officiating problem at all. And the next quote was, we will make adjustments. Well, what do you adjust it?

First of all, I adjust the official to drove the pastecard into the barrels. Poor Jesse. Who was driving? You think Kip would have hit them barrels? No. I wish you would have had been awesome. You were working, me and Freddie were not. Did you get there to text?

I don't think so. Well, you were doing the show thing. Yeah. Kept texted. What's the what idiot tomorrow? And I'm like, hey, so far. I was all that too. But the officiating problem.

Let's get back to that. I saw somebody tweet, and I thought this was pretty poignant last week of, you know, they, and then it followed up when they said, we don't have an officiating problem. Joel might have been you that tweeted it. Like 30% of the races this year, Elton's out there having to make a statement. and afterwards over some call that was made, you know, that went one way that maybe should have got another way or whatever. But like if you're having to address the media, you know, damn near half the season because

sometimes you avoid them. Yeah. Or you just do it where you do interview with your own company so they don't ask you any questions. And you're answering a question from an industry person. It's not like he's got Gluck and Bianchi and Matt Weaver in his face. He's got the lady from NASCAR that says, hey, did you think he did a good job today? What the fuck you think he's going to say?

Yes, I, you know, as we looked at it and we went back, yeah, we looked a couple times. Don't swallow it. I don't have a problem with, listen, we know what the state of union is going to be. It's the same as, you know, every presidential one. They're going to tell you how great they're doing and, you know, how everything's great and everything's going to be fine. But you can't come out and say we don't have an officiating problem at all. 19-year sponsor left yesterday.

There's more problems than. I'm the sponsor piece. I do want to say, Brett, you should know this. too. I didn't say anything. No, I'm not. I mean on the marketing side. We look a lot of like. And sound alike, people have told us.

On the market. I need a big dog. Maybe they just wanted a championship. You did. That's it. It was four years together. I do. I do think that, you know,

priorities and sponsors change. When you've been in the sport, when you've been doing the same thing over and over for years and years, you do sometimes have to make changes, whether it be from an executive that might have shifted or their goals shifted. So I do.

think that there's... Is that a dirty mobile sweatshirt or a NASCAR sweatshirt? What are you wearing over there? Oh, just checking. No, I'm... Believe me, I get it. I'm on the sponsor side. But I am saying I think that there's more to it on the sponsor side, not saying that

there are other challenges that we're obviously facing. But I do think that there's always going to be stuff changes within the... In the 19 years, it'd be fun to know how many CEO changes there was at FedEx. Does this mean Denny doesn't deliver? He still delivering. That's slow, bro. That's low. you don't have to take it out of the show

I know that's the next thing you were real saying it was a joke I'll talk shit by Denny man I'll come over to this Danny listen man having FedEx for 19 years it's pretty impressive

like that's having anything for that long like I say most of them are about a 10 year to run and to Casey's point bread knows this like it's like CEOs change

and once the CEO changes they want to get rid of everything the last CEO is doing it can be way lower it can be a brand manager It can be a director of marketing. Not even a VP or CMO. It only takes one

personnel change. Well, that person likes soccer or that person like... I remember when Carhart left Rauschenway to go to the NFL, and I'm like, what in the world does the NFL... Nobody that's ever been to an NFL games owns a Carhart.

And a dumb marketing person thought it was good. Yeah, exactly. FedEx was probably one of the more creative marketing people because they did a lot of stuff throughout the years. They did a lot of things. I mean, there was, oh,

even the truck. Even the truck looked like a box. You all remember why they got FedEx. Joe Gibbs went back to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins. FedEx Field, I think, right? And FedEx Field.

And he met the CEO. And guess what? A relationship, which is what gets you everything around here. I met Chance the Rappers Daddy this weekend, by the way, because of a relationship. Jeez. Jeremy Clements's team was staying. Well, not the team, but some people were staying while I was staying.

And that place looked like a hell. hole. I mean, had you survived this week. I'm probably going to go back there. I mean, I only got 10 pools and two water slides. When that bill comes in about two weeks. Red Texex, red text. He's like, I don't want to leave. My bar bill? The first night was $400. Oh, come on. So you didn't drink? It was just me. So you didn't drink much? I haven't been with you when our bar bill was $8,500. I don't. I don't. That's what I was getting rich, though. I'm not getting rich. I always give McReynolds. Shout out to my fellow suspended spotter McCrano.

He loves drinking the hotel bars and I'm like, what are you doing? Like, why are we here? It's a fetish. Yeah. It's a finish. What OEMs are you hearing? Rex Ryan's fetish?

Are potentially joining this. I honestly haven't heard any. I mean, I think Honda may be one that makes sense, but I haven't really heard any rumors about it. Has there not been a season that during the state of the union that they say, close? We got a couple that are disqual. just right here not buying it.

For like six years, if they were, I mean, come on. It's going to be like the problem with that is that I don't, it's, it's, it's,

wait, you think I'm going to spend it. Oh, the, the, uh, yeah, something good, man.

You know, like, like, some teams aren't able to bet, you know, aren't able to, I don't make enough money this week in the day for this. No.

It was $2,600. Was that the bar? Pretty, you made more now staying home. Yeah, I did pretty good as we. Unless you know, spin, suspend. But the, you know, the problem is now they're talking about these guys can't make the, you know, build the engine. So now you're going to go into a balance of power situation where I don't love that idea.

But we'll see. Hopefully they are right. Hopefully because more manufacturers are bringing money. And you might see them go after drivers. So who knows. But I hope they're close, but I'll kind of believe it when I see it. Spot on, spot off. During the Expinity Championship race, Anthony Alfredo,

was held two laps for rough driving, similar to what we saw for Lane Riggs and Connor Jones earlier this season. Joel. I mean, and then he comes out and says, I didn't mean to. You know, I was just turning down the hill, which is kind of the smart thing you say, I guess,

because I dealt with this a couple weeks ago, and then the guy I was talking to was really mad, you know, and I kind of get a little of it. Me and T.J. were racing, and his guy bumped my guy, I bumped his guy, my guy bumps his guy in the wrong part of the corner

and he gets the same penalty. He gets a two-lap penalty for rough driving. Then the guy spends two days in the hospital for smoke inhalation. Had that not a happen, nothing would happen beyond the two-lap suspension.

And you all know that. We all know that. So that deal got worse during the week. Now, as far as Alfredo, like somebody, I think was it Gluck or somebody tweeted

that's a bad look for Alfredo and I retweeted somebody posted a good look for Alfredo because I remember one year like every like the first six races we were involved in in it was I think it was cup we couldn't get away from this guy

like he wrecked us in every like four of the first six races I'm like why is he attached to our car and why are we in a crash with this guy every week And it's like the Riggs deal. I think from Milwaukee, he wrecked a guy, got out of the race and said, oh, yeah, I wrecked him. But that guy didn't go to the hospital. I'm not trying to defend the incidents that happened, but the officiating, as we were talking about before, is so inconsistent.

And I'm not sure, honestly, that you would have got a penalty even at home, at the track without the radio. Exactly. When he finally let off, T.J. come down and talk to me, and I'm like, dude, I can't say anything. I'm trying to key over it. It's screaming. I got my headset off. And I said, please vent at home, not on the radio. Or if you just come over the radio and said, man, I thought when he turned off in the corner, I thought he was going to the middle and he went to the bottom and I just ran in the back of him. Yeah. My favorite guy in this sport over the past five years and certainly leading through this past weekend that can just keep. his voice the exact same, no matter what happens on the track with him behind the wheel or him in the media center is Ross Justain. He can sound just like the worst school teacher you ever had

and stay just voo-hmm. They all need to go talk to Ross and go, how did you do so many things over your career and never get in trouble? It's called acting class. He's the best at it. And I mean this as the biggest compliment ever because he can do some pretty crazy shit I've spotted for him. And he could come out of the radio and be like, all shucks, man, I didn't. The biggest thing for media, TJ's looking to be with a big eyes. That media change's pretty good.

The biggest thing for me in this situation is, you know, a right hook. Yeah. A right hook is been a suspendable offense. Obviously, they've shown that since Bubba, the chase,

you know, that's, if you're going to do that, you're suspended. If you want to hurt somebody, that's how you do it. But you're suspended. So now where does a two-lap penalty come in? Like,

are they, Daytona, like that's not going to happen. It's, I don't think. I don't know where the two less. So I've been a part of this. Well, how was he not parked for the race? I had a guy right hook another guy in a truck race. The Reddick when I was spot on Reddick.

Yeah, but that was kind of, that was, I got good. But, I mean, it's still a right hook. He got parked to that race. And it wasn't even, it was out of the dog leg or the trial or the tunnel turn at Pocono. So it wasn't like, it wasn't like there wasn't a lot of time to get speed and go up and hit a wall somewhere or anything. It was probably the least. the least, TJ's was the least.

Size of a wreck, but he got parked for that. He got parked for it. Like, it was the... That would have been the difference in what I thought Conner should have got at Homestead versus what he got.

If they parked him in that situation for the day, then you can suspend him on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, whenever he figured it out. Yeah. When they gave him the two-lap penalty and let him race the rest of the day,

it should have been over. That should have been over. Had the guy... Conner Jones was not worse than Alfredo's. Conner Jones hit the guy. square in the ass. And he got suspended. It's a bad place to get it.

This guy right rear in somebody, he got two laps. Yeah. And like I said, but I fissiating. And nothing else beyond that. We don't have an officiating issue at all. Listen, I've spotted for Connor all year in 12 truck races.

I've done a lot of late model races. The late model racing, it, I mean, I love the cars tour. It was really fun to do that this year. But the late model racing is that way. It's rough.

They beat and bang. And in the current situation, we were blocking down the back. Or T.J. told me where I couldn't really tell. And the kid hit us, and three seconds later, the guy I'm talking to hits him, which is in a worst spot on the racetrack, ends up wrecking the guy, he sucks in some smoke, auction levels down for two days. But had that not a happen, like I said, the officiating is, the balls and strikes are just like watching the World Series. This is a suggestion. And it ain't going to go well with everybody, but I don't really care. When we have these, oh boy.

Well, when we have these debatable problems, and I don't mean any disrespect to who is sent out there to talk. But pay Dale Jarrett, Jeff Burton, Kevin Harvick, Greg Biffle, pay somebody that is a highly respected champion within our sport or highly, you know, successful person to go out and talk to these people and say, this is why we're doing it and this is what we're doing. And this is the law of land. Who's going to say, well, I don't have respect with Dale Jarrett. I don't believe that. That's not right. I wouldn't come on here and say that. Dale Jarrett did not hold his opinions back this week.

I didn't see it. I didn't see it. No. He was talking about point shaving and you better protect the integrity to sport on TV. But guess what? If he says that, he's the f***ing guy you need in the NASCAR truck. He comes out and says it because what are you going to say to Dale Jarrett? He said he both.

Yeah. We're very adamant that you can't suspend the, you know, without suspending a driver, you've done nothing here. You sent the Spotter home, the crew chief home, and the guy that wasn't even coming. The drivers that need, they're the one, no matter who told Water, suggested what. But the head coach suggested Al Marola for years and years and years trying to get him to do something. It never happened. So the fact that's why you like Spott of Ryan so much.

See. It's instant. It's instant karma. It's like this year with Connor. If I like, did that guy swear with you? Well, then that guy's done. You finally got a guy to listen. So if that explains it.

First of all, I don't side with suspending drivers with what happened in Martinsville. And second of all, if I'm a driver, I'm going to start in the driver group chat that they have and say, from now on, I'm Brett Griffin. I'm a driver. F*** you, I'm never helping you. I don't care what happens. I'm not helping you because I'm not going to take the beating for what's happening because you have former drivers saying suspend current drivers. That's a big statement. Yeah.

That's never happened in our sport. All right. Well, this next one, you better not spot off. The newest podcast from Dirty Mo, Herm and Schrader, launches this Wednesday, November 13th, and it's hosted by Kenny Wallace and Kenny Schrader. Who the hell gave these guys a microphone? This will be by far the best thing that Dirty Moe's ever done.

The Shrader opens up. I have spent some time with them guys. And Kenny Wallace is, like the most normal guy in the world until about two beers in or like dirt racing which he's found a lot of fun in or you give him a microphone

boy that microphone his his coffee with Kenny I mean I've seen sure you y'all saw him oh it's unbelievable but I remember going back I saw a picture yesterday talking and this is off a little bit but it was Justin Dale Jr. with his hat on backwards back when he

did that and Schrader and Herm and I'm like hell up was there. It was like the M&Ms Night of Stars that we used to do. This is in the early 2000s when Schrader had M&M's and we would have everybody at Peevley and they were raising money for certain things, but they would have an M&M's Night of Stars and then Dale Jr. would come and Tony Stewart and all these drivers. Eventually bought into it.

Well, Algar, yeah. Algar was like four foot tall. And I mean, he looked like his ears were sticking out way past his hat and he's grown into everything now. Real out. Well, I'll find it here in a minute, but there was a picture and all of them had signed it, including Dale Jr. I'm sorry, Casey. I'm waiting to Oh, no, you're good. This is awesome. I will say, I have a request. We need to do a joint show. A joint show?

DBC. I don't think. If Schrader's ever around, I'm coming, I can promise you that. Shrader, if Kenny, and he will, he'll get Schrader to tell some stories, and if Schrader starts telling stories, you're going to want to listen. Between those two, there's more stories. And I have stories with those

two that I cannot tell. Well, that's what I'm worried. you know, you know, we got to get Schrader open up, is the thing. I think it's hard. Trader's like me.

He has no trouble talking. The funny thing was, I saw one clip. The clip I saw so far was, you know, Herman's, Kenny Wallace is doing a mic check. And he's like,

all right, I think everything's working. Schrader, you got me? Trader's like, that was, just looking at it. He's like, a traitor, you got me?

Hey, is this thing on? And he's like, will you please stop f***? I know you can hear him. me and he started laughing. He said, I could hear you without the end of that. Because you know how loud he is. The two best names in NASCAR that always start with good stories are Sterling Marlin and Ken Trader. I was very fortunate to wear.

And the third one is probably Michael Waltrop. Oh, gosh. If you get a, oh, I got a Michael Walshap story for you. I got a Ken Trader story for you. You literally just do like this because it's going to be good. All right. We'll have them all on the same show. All three of those names in the Dutch Inn.

Oh. And then there's your story. I got on him. I was there for some. And, yeah. Can it be talked about? No. Listen, Sterling,

Sterling Marlin was like the Dale Jr. walked through the garage area, a normal race at the Dutch Inn. Like, Sterling was, I mean, I had so, I think it was so much fun to hang out with. Legend.

Oh, yeah. When you went into the Dutch Inn and Sterling, Michael Walter and Dale Earnhardt, we're in the bar., you, you, you knew, and I mean, it was, oh, my God. sport the best times you yet to come. I got to tell funny, this is not going to be part of the Hadd Lee. Have you ever experienced the Dutch end? Oh yeah. But I'm modified side. Like that was the place. The modifies were big in Martinsville in the 70s. I need a minute.

Like 0405ish still, man. That's my mind. The Modifides was the 70s, right? So Richie Evans was the king of the Modifides. Yep. And Richie Evans Jr. was a friend of mine. So we're sitting in the Dutch in. Now, Modified stopped going to Martinsville for a little while. We went back and we're sitting in the Dutch in one night. And I'm talking to this guy at the bar. He's a

fan. He's got a buddy with him on the other side. Well, Richie Evans Jr. walks up and just lays the guy out, knocks him out. And I'm like, what the hell? They weren't even fighting or anything. I got, nobody was, there was no words exchanged like Richie just walked up and punched this guy. And I'm like, Richie, what the fuck? He's like, my dad

got thrown out of this place. I was making sure I got thrown out before I leave. I was like, okay. That's the Dutch. I remember having to wait, you know, how the stairs went up. Yeah. And you'd have to wait. Well, there's too many people up there. I'm like, I'm staying here. What are you talking about? I'm not. I'm in 105 like I'm a legend here and I can't go in the bar and it was some crazy it would have

the garage area usually on Saturday morning um was usually pretty slow because of the Dutch flu oh yeah the Dutch flu that was a if you ate there you definitely had the Dutch flu because of the food that was a driver threw up on a Sunday inside of a race car because of the Dutchian I'm sure I'm sure probably more than one yeah I would say you're probably there's one that is Confessed. Only one that told on himself. No, he didn't confess. He got in trouble.

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This rate plan requires two lines of service, age verification, and credit approval, subject to system area limits, taxes, and fees apply. All you all of them are, my God. All you, motherfuckers are going to sit there and take up for the fucking, and you all are going to sit and make excuses for the mother and you're going to take up for NASCAR, just like the guy. All you motherfuck are, you won't sit there and tell it like it is. It's just the truck driver? No.

Y'all been in the four-matt and this motherfucker monkey in a football. He's a football fan. know what you is, you motherfuckers. Every one of you, punk-ass. Jay, make you a fucking stop. Jesus. Jesus.

That's only so much deep than I can listen to. Sounds like me. That was that dumb from a couple weeks ago. I called in three times. Yeah, thanks for calling. Appreciate you.

Next. Hey, I just got to tell you guys something. You never told me these races were kind of an aphrodisiac. First race she's ever been to. And as they get to start going, she's

screaming at, me, my nipples are so hard. My nipples are so hard. I'm like, right on, honey, honey. So the race is over, and she's giving me that look. And so we start walking back to the car. We get in the car.

She's like, why don't you slide that seat back? And when you know what happened next, if you want to get laid, take your wife to a good race. I don't know if we play that one. Jesus. Promo for the Z-Simon of the 500 on Valentine's Day. What the hell is that? Half inch.

What? Half inch. I'll take your eye out. That's not exactly how that usually works. I don't think. Casey, restart. Is that doing it for you? Jay,

you want to play the next one? You love Nashville. Man, what a week with the penalties and everything? My goodness. You had Brett back in 2013 and they got Freddie here in 2024. I'm guessing TJ's just got to step it up. And in 2035, get one himself or something stupid. BBC.

I'm beginning to think that's starting to stand for dim boys cheating. Nah, we're just kidding with you. Hey, life happens. We love you guys. Have a good one. You didn't get suspended. You didn't get no trouble, did you? Wreck him. Brett, I didn't say wreck nobody. No, I said, you didn't get nothing. Something was on my mind and I had to give it off.

You guys ever noticed that Sheldon Creed looks like Austin Powers and Danix Patrick had a baby and they fed it too much? And Danica taught it how to drive. All right, well, I'm good to say. I don't see the Danica. I see awesome powers. A thousand percent.

Yeah. If you hear random barking, it's Joel's going to get late. And the worst part is my dog don't bark. I thought Casey saw a restart. She's having fun. She thinks there's two of us in here. She's like, she's like somebody outside.

Did you hear that pretty? I think Casey saw a restart. She's where they're barking. Getting fired up. Damn. Did y'all see, though? I was hanging out with Austin Dillon in the lounge yesterday, and I wish I could find the audio.

Me too. I wish I could have been. I'm with Austin and we're watching the Panthers game and the Panthers are beating your giants. And Austin asked me if I saw this Pat McAfee clip from LSU. Oh, I saw that.

I didn't see it. I didn't know that. And I had not seen it. And I would love for you to find it right now and play it over our microphones once I get stunned telling us. I mean, I don't really want to play. Is that part of it?

stands up on live television. And he says with 100,000, an LSU people behind them. Hey! And then the whole LSU crowd goes, suck that tiger on ESPN. I won't ask our fans

to come up with a fun chat. Like that day, one time. Got one poor guy running out of a sport. No, no, no, no, it worked. It worked. We got a broadcaster and a driver on a little score for that.

This is why you listen to this show because we talk about nobody. else will. I didn't know that was a chant. So yesterday when Austin Dill will pass somebody, I'd say, hey. How many times you get to do that? It was three or four of the race.

He was like, dude, when you did it all that one time, I was like, that was definitely a year. This is the stuff that fans love is us telling them how it really is. Listen, I wish you'd ask about me. No. He asked him. I slap you off. chair and I said that we were boys.

If you want to hear funny radio, it's all funny, but you go back to the last couple years that Joel was spotted, they gave this idiot a word every week and it would be something f***ed up like hippopotamus. He'd have to figure out how to be like, you cleared that hippopotamus. And you had to work it in.

At some point during the race, I would have like three words. Do you have a favorite one? Like, did you remember? There were so many. I couldn't even, and like Eric after about four races, he's like, why do you keep saying that stupid shit? And I'm like, and I showed my pit road map. And I said, well, see, here's all this stuff.

And these three words, I have to incorporate into the race somehow during. We need that for our show. Yeah. I think we got it. If, hey, yo isn't in this show, that I'm never doing a podcast. That's the title. That's a be the title of it. Hey, yo.

Phoenix. Old time, all of fame. What an idiot. The pace car driver. Commitment cone violation. Did they let Michael Phelps drive the pace car in the middle of the race? Did he take some long riffs before the race? I know it's legal out there in Arizona.

I'll just be my official application to be the new driver of the Toyota Camry TRD paste car. I have about four or five years of driving experience. Never wrecked, never gotten a ticket or anything like that. I can actually drive and don't miss my turns. And if I do, I bail out before I run into Barris. Now, Stan. So I'm watching.

And Brett does this every week, I think, but the downside for me to watching the broadcast live on the stream yesterday was no audio. So I don't really, I couldn't hear everything that's going on. So we're in the chat. You can't tell everybody. I don't listen to the broadcast. I just, I just, I'm sorry. I'm kidding.

I was kidding. And everybody's mad at me about it. But, you know, so we're in there. And all of a sudden, somebody in the. in the chat was like, the pace car just wrecked. And I'm watching, obviously we're like maybe a little behind it.

And I'm like, no, it didn't. And all of a sudden they cut to this guy hanging a left and smoke in the barrels. I'm like, oh my goodness. Brad said it right away.

He was like, the pace car just wrecked. And I'm like, huh? Yeah, and I looked over there and I see barrel sitting out there in the middle of pit road.

Sand. Sand. Some girl tweeted me back when I'm like, I think I've seen it all. She's like, they should fill those with glitter instead of sand.

And I'm like, well, That'll be next. Stick around. It's actually probably a good idea. Make it fun. Or add branding to it. Yeah.

I don't think glitter's quite. The guy goes sand barrels. Oh, you imagine some of the drivers getting out. Where'd you get that glitter from? Why did that glitter all right? Yeah, why are you covered in glitter? I like glitter.

I'm going to wait until after the race to send a reaction because I ain't going to watch the race. It's just a show. Oh, my God. I've seen the penalties. Are you kidding me? Crap, thank you, Elton Soil, thank you, Steve Bilt, for saving us from the Frizzanity Christ.

Oh, Freddie Craft, the mastermind of all that is evil in the universe. Holy Christ. And by the me, Phoenix is a place. It's basically retirement, Florida, older with no ocean. What did he do? What are you worried about? You know what, Freddy, I'll buy your beer. You tell me where you'll be?

I will get you drunk on my dime. Thank you you don't have to go. Up he's rich. A dime ain't going to do it, brother. Dime's not going to make it, I don't think. At least he's offering it. Yeah, that was nice of him. He can buy me one.

I'll take it. We were getting donations during the live stream yesterday, and I'd like to know where the hell those went. Mike's probably just already cashed those out or something. I mean, people were sending five, ten, $15 at a time. I can't hear you saying, we're getting donations. I didn't know if I didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't know if you all were taking that money for Western North Carolina

or if you were just. pizza deal. Yeah, maybe it would go towards the AC in the summer. Casey, you didn't make enough shows this year. I'm sorry I had a baby. I didn't say it was a problem. Listen, that's your fault.

You contribute it half to that. From stepping on his to a motherfucker champion, Justin Agar. Finally! Finally! Finally! Lady fans, y'all can keep your coasters.

We don't need them. Why? Thank baby Jesus in his golden diaper. Seven times he's tried. And he got it. He finally. Got it. Unbelievable drive. I hope you guys love your boss and Dale Jr. There's going to be a nice big party. Hey Brett, how do you say long corn dong in French? I mean, Justin Allgaier reminds me of that 33-year-old punter on the Division 2 football team is on like his 16th redshirt senior season.

He finally got an N-AIA championship. I'm about five Costco whiskey's deep. Costco whiskey. Cheapskake. How about you not be romantic about mask cars

anyways you, f*** you Freddy fucking Freddy love you buddy you Brett listen Costco whiskey

is funny I don't I'm a little annoyed honestly with Justin because he should have got out of the oh long chien of maize that's long

corn dong you think I'm not even going to say anyway Justin I mean he should have got out of the car and thank you think dust. We're the ones that did this for him because we picked that son of

every year to win the championship and he let us down. So this year we made a concerted effort not to pick him and that's what did it for him. No matter how hard he tried to fuck it up, we we overcame that. And listen, I think everybody in the garage is really happy for Justin. You saw a lot of people go to victory lane. I'm really happy for him. He's such a good dude and he gets when we about him, he gets a little upset. But other than that, he tried to give it away, but he earned it. I was extremely nervous. during practice when they all wrecked. And then they go to his car

and they're twisting springs in and out of it. And then Amarola's right back out there in like four minutes. And I thought back to the Ray Abraham days. Because the championship, the championship, I'm sorry, it's championship four sports that fit can have, their cars can be wrapped, can be ready, can be ready to go. And I remember when Ray would have, like during Jeff Gordon's rookie year,

we wrecked 20 times, but the car was sitting on the lift gate during practice. Well, the oil plugged in, untied, ready to come down. And when Algarz came out and they started moving shit off the one car like shocks and springs, which was old school stuff. And then the other car was, how was there not two cars ready? Yeah. And it was kind of surprised. And then he comes back and wins a thing.

So my one idiot was going to be that until they kind of pulled it off. But Ray Evernham, I'm sure he was sitting home, slamming shit on the, like, what are we doing? We're missing practice. You could tell, and listen, we always make comments on here about the championship cars being tricked out to the max, whatever they can get away with. And you could tell the way they were reacting, Justin slamming the pit box or whatever he punched there in the garage. Like, that car was going to be special. He knew he lost his best fishing rod there. Yeah.

And then was going to get something else. And yeah, and then it was, obviously, whatever he got was just as good because they were the best car by far. What, didn't, uh, did I read this somewhere that he, the car he won with the championship was the car that Yes. Dale Jr. drove at Bristol when he kicked their ass and then he caught him fire or something. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

So that was, so obviously it's a good car, but it wasn't ready is what I was trying to say. Yeah. I mean, it was ready. It was rich. Like, I mean. You know, I think the thing in practice was, was weird to just, I mean, it doesn't happen all the time, but wrong spot, wrong time. But I think, I think honestly, that's what pushed Justin over the edge.

I think that's what pushed it. Sometimes that's what it takes. I was sitting in the truck hauler watching practice and they crash and they all do the and they show the replays 10 times. Excuse me. And everybody says, how do the spotters not telling them? I said, look, you got the 44 going down in the backstretch, a half a lap ahead of some of these guys. he smokes for just an instant,

he gets to the apron in three and four after he oils a trackdown. The spotters don't see the apron. Y'all can't see him smoking. And I'm like, there's no way the spotters could have helped him there. Once he went to the low side, like he was coming up.

T.J. would have let us move the spotter stand a few years ago. That'd be rocky. You wouldn't have seen it anyway. And you wouldn't see it anyway there. And this, again, I think, in my opinion, is a proponent of more than one race finale because sometimes it is just out of your control.

You know, like, you know, like, what if your hauler, what's it a year or two ago that the Stuart Hawler's wrecked on the way out there? What if you don't even get there? Yeah. Yeah, to Joel's point, on the Xfinity side, you had four primary cars out there and two backups. So you don't know when the backup is even needed. Who the hell's going to be driving? So right after that wreck, we got a message saying, listen, because I had Zilich, and they're like, hey, the backup cars are gone. You got to do not wrecking practice. You don't know which crew chiefs had influence over how they were set up. Like, there's a lot of unknowns. And that's where teams are trying. trying to, you know, lobby for NASCAR to help him save money.

But to Joel's point, that's a huge hit. Well, the nine, who's also involved in the incident. Again. If you're not in a Champ Four, you can't even have your car wrap. Like his car came out later and it was all just carbon, whatever the hell they're made out of anymore. And Algar is over there putting decals on it in the middle of the night. You saw later, I think you guys saw later on. He was working on that car.

But the Champ Four cars can be ready to go. Yeah. I'm telling you that wreck and just how everything went with him over there doing that like that. Like I think that pushed him, gave him a little bit more. He's a racer. He's a lifelong. It's all he's ever done. Yeah.

So congratulations to him. Congratulations to his father who is put in a lot, a lot of. Justin races a lot of other stuff too. He doesn't. Oh, I remember seeing a dude when he was four foot tall racing dirt cars and we show him. Now that he's four or five. He grew up. This is the only guy that I will, not the only guy.

But he's one of the few guys that is an exceptional Xfinity series racer that never got a fair shot cup. He went to H. Scott. That team was screwed from the beginning. They were behind on bills. They were allegedly, you know, behind on bills. They were, you know, under budgeted. I mean, I know because I got that right after he did with Clint. And I know how old our brakes were that we ran, how old our cars were.

We had good people. They had no resources. Yeah. People don't win races. Good cars and good people win. And yeah, good money wins way it races. So I wish he had gotten, because I remember when he was at Penske, they called him Little Gator a lot back then.

Yeah. That nickname's kind of gone away, but he never got a fair shot of cup. He deserves a fair shot of cup and he'll never get it. Joey Legano owes that Alex Bowman team like a f***able arrangement or something after that, man, that's just incredible. Bowman should have been in, but it's like, or is it like Bowman's championship now because of this? Like, what's your guys' thoughts on this?

Well, it's definitely not Bowman's championship because he didn't win it. But, yeah, like we said. Kind of funny, he mentions edible arrangements first day after the offseason. Anyway, so, but yeah, I mean, they, whoever dropped the ball there where they were light and they didn't appeal it, so they were obviously light. And that's what gets Joey in. Did something fly off the car? Yeah, but not if it wouldn't. Obviously, they would.

have fought harder. I think if they whatever flew off, if they felt that weighed 17 pounds or whatever they were like, you know, they would have, they would have said it was, that it screwed up. Yeah. It's just a mistake. And it was a big one. So something that should have been added back after qualifying didn't get added back.

Whatever that was. If Joey's out, I mean, does that mean, does it play out where Larson's in somehow or you know what I mean? It just changes everything. It changes everything. How's that cool looking? About halfway? We got a backup car.

We got a backup car. This should be fine. Joe Orylago just won the 2024 Cup Series championship. I'm going to oil myself up at Penn Oil. Poor shell gasoline all over myself let my fucking self on fire. I wouldn't let yourself on fire.

I don't do that. This yellow motherfucker who hasn't hardly let a single laugh. Definitely not been competitive through the whole year. And the last ring, one three races. Inspection, he's like to light out.

and wins the championship, and he's right. It's a bunch of a fucking. Big fan. Donald keeps winning championships, he's going to keep changing his hairstyle every year. Next year he's going to come back looking like White Goodman's and Dodgeball. The next year he might look like Joe Dirk.

That going horseshoe is so far up, Joe Lugano's ass today. He must be coughing up coins and rainbows at this point. He is illegitimate. This is the most illegitimate champion we have had. He is more illegitimate than in the last as far as far. father.

Here's the thing. You cannot say he's an illegitimate champion because he was the guy that won yesterday. He did not back into that. He was the second best car probably. I think Blaney was a better car, but Joey is the hardest guy in the sport to pass.

And he can say whatever you want about how he got there and how his whole season played out. But when you have this format of a one-race playoff, he performed the best yesterday and he deserves the championship. I thought Bell was the best car. I thought Blaney was second best card.

I thought those two guys put on a hell of a show. But I still think, man, I don't want to race Joy Ligano. I don't want to restart ever. I mean, and I used to be, I said that about Kyle Busch. Now it's Joy Lugano. Oh, Joy. I would say mid-low 30s, probably. That's not good for everybody else.

No. But the thing is he's not, you know, it's so hard to quantify because he's not the dominant guy. He's not Carl Larson. You know what I mean? It's not like, it's not like, it's not like, It's not like Kyle Larson. Hey, Siri.

How old is Joy LaGano? She's ignoring you. She said which, Joey. And then she pulls up both Joy Lagano. She's drunker than Joel is. What can I get some internet in here? I'm on like 5G half a internet. I don't know.

I don't know. He probably shouldn't do that. He don't like me. 34 years old. There you go. Mid-30s. His manager's like me. He don't like me.

Mid-30s. All right. I mean, listen, man, you hate to say this about guys. But Kevin Harwick in his last season didn't win. Jimmy Johnson is last season. Didn't win. Martin Truex in his last season. Didn't win.

At some point, you're too old to do it. But he's got at least, if he stays on this course. I mean, they've always said 40's the number. Martin is like a guy that it didn't affect him. Harry Gant. But for the most part, he's got at least six really good years left. Five to six solid ears. And depending on, you know, it's pending the car stay good, too.

I mean, the equipment you're in matters. But I just rattled off three legends and great equipment that didn't win at the end of their career. And look at how good, at times, Shuex was this year and should have won. Yeah. And there was a speedens and there was a loose tire or there was something that kept him from winning. But I'm going to tell you, I'm not a Joy Lagano fan. the guy has racecraft

beyond a lot of these people. You know what I mean? And this is something that maybe Earnhardt had years and years ago because Earnhardt would win with it shouldn't have won. And McGahnow just figures out how to win.

I don't like the guy. I don't like how he races. I like him more than the other guy. But I mean, I appreciate what he does with what he's got. He is the best at. I hope we're done with the calls because Jay's going to kill me. But he's like TJ said on here,

but he's the best at new, like when you put him in a situation where you got to win a new track, whatever it is, he comes out. He shows out and does what he needs to do to win. It's always been like that, too. We done one more? Is that?

It's kind of funny, like earlier in the year, and I was doing some 12 race for Thor Sport. And Jason's like, hey, you're going to do this, do that. You know, you can do it. And I'm like, I don't know what's going to drive it once. You want to do it? I'm like, no. I do not.

But I don't know why. There's certain things about it. I don't like, hell, he's a hell of a champion. I mean, I don't like them all, but.

Yeah. I know, I know TJ, you were a big fan at once and maybe not so big now, but, and I get it. Yeah,

I mean, you can't take away from what he can do. No, his talent, I mean, he also does a lot for the community.

So I think he's a couple. Oh, 100%. Speaking of the community. Oh. as Brett leaves the bathroom. Yeah. He shuts the door this time, though.

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Let's kick off what an idiot. What do you guys got? I was going to give it to Allgaier. there was some more. Go ahead. Who you guys got? Well, the base car drivers

I mean, epic. There's a list here. I just want everybody to know, though, Jason Brownlow was not driving that car. I love Jason Brownlow. No,

he was driving that. He was a UGA fan. He was not driving the car. That's something we had to clear up immediately. We did. We did because he drives a car the day before. I mean, it's going to be hard to beat that guy.

We could go from, I'm going to give it to another guy. So, Saturday night we race and Danny Stockman for everybody knows he gets wound as tight as me and Joel do right he's a type A high strong

personality 100% just like you guys this mother shows up an hour late to the plane last night because he was sleeping in a motorhome in the infield last night last night the night after he got off work

so he gets done working on Saturday night after Jesse Love finishes his race with a great run and we leave an hour later. I got home at 2.15 in the morning because of Danny Stockman. I'm going to add two years. An hour? My flight coming home Friday night.

We waited an hour on one NASCAR guy and they don't even fly a victory. They fly a champion. And it's Bradley Hoke. So we sit there forever and I'm like, this guy's measured roof heights. He couldn't get here. I mean, are you serious?

I tried to get him to leave him. I begged him to leave him. She'll text me. He said, I got home at 6.30 in the morning. I got home at 2.15. I beat you by four hours. T.J. probably got home at 9.30 on his private jet that he's suckering up to.

I love T.J. We've all lived the private jet life. TJ's still doing it. T.J.'s brown nosed longer than anybody. Good for you. I just keep my mouth shut, right? You got anybody? I mean, there's a little list.

It's hard to beat the pace car driver. That's got to be an all-time. All guy are tried to win it numerous times in the race. He tried to get it. You could even go back to Joel's guy in the truck. I mean, got mad at a teammate, ran into his truck in the garage after the race, parked right behind, running into him. I mean, I heard Joel on radio do that.

Oh, yeah. I mean, but, I mean, how do you wreck a pace car, though? I mean, it's hard. It's hard. So I'm going to give mine to NASCAR. Oh, let's go without this show. I can't believe it. Why are we still racing below the yellow line?

17 lanes wide. I mean, you get below the blend line where you come off a pit road. It's only illegal at Daytona, Atlanta. You know what they're going to do. It's a dumbest thing ever. They're just going to repaint the yellow line all the way down there. Yeah. You saw it.

Hey, I will give as much you want to call me an idiot. I know you love that. But I will give him credit. They called that penalty much tighter this year. We've seen that penalty knock. I called a restart violation. And I felt like people got away with it for a long time, and they were calling it much tighter this weekend.

And it's also a ball and strike. And sometimes they get it. Sometimes they don't. But look at how dumb that shit is. Look at Ty Gibbs on lap two yesterday. He touched the apron and then just pounds the outside wall by himself. He hit the wall first. Because the racetrack is, I mean, they redo it.

And then there's not enough room. He did drive square into the wall. Freddie, he got. Who's your idiot? Oh, yeah. So my idiot is actually some guy. I didn't get to see much of you guys this week, so I can't call you idiots. I'll talk about some of the guys I did get to see this week.

And I'd like to call them idiots. For one, Strickler, who we know is an idiot. French tickler. The high side French tickler, Kyle Strickler. And a new friend of mine that I made this weekend, a guy known for a while, Gordie Gundaker. The two of them had me out until about 6 a.m. on Saturday.

So, uh, no, it's, I mean, normal for me is three. Like that's, that's pushing. Is that Phoenix time or East Coast? No, that's East Coast time, unfortunately. So that was at 6 a.m. Friday. I was the same thing. I flew home on. Yeah.

You felt a lot better than I did on Saturday. Not really. So what they took from that is that you are the idiot. No, I'm the idiot for hanging out with them idiots. Anytime I get around dirt people, bad. So I got a, anytime to get around people. Same. Pretty much.

Yeah. Yeah. Shout out of my boy. Tyler. Courtney won the, uh, the, the world outlaw race. Saturday nights. That was the popular driver. Most popular driver in certain areas.

So where were you Saturday? Were you at the outlaw race or was it to north south? I did both. Yeah. So the north south, which the north south I went to, they started at one o'clock. So I told them guys,

the north south started at one o'clock. And the world final started at about 6.30. So I said, caraway's an hour away. I should be able to do both. So Hirschman won. North South. Okay.

And that race took three hours. Legitimately three hours, right. 25 laps because it was just a disaster. Guys crash. track crew sucked. And it was just a nightmare. And then got over the Charlotte for the World Finals for the features.

I saw all the A Mainz, at least. It was the last race. It was a good day. Build new cars. Now, the world finals, is that Brad's Sweet and all those guys? So,

Brad's the World of Outlaws, which David Gravel won his first championship. Brandon Shepard, I think, won the late model championship. So the other one's a high limit. High limit is Brad. But they have,

I mean, they'll run both on occasion. Okay. So it was a big weekend. It kind of intermingles like late, late models and cars too is all the dirt series like it's the board of all light models the big block modifies

and the sprint car I just know Brad from back in the day and I spotted for him when he's trying to drive asphalt and but through Casey one of my favorite Brad sweet stories is John was working over there John started working at the t-shirt shop my brother so we went out I think it was the night

that we won Talladega and I think it was that day where me and you started drinking early we were doing the show we started drinking earlier than me and and then yes about the same time And then we just carried over through the day. Well, I ended up in Saeeds at that night. We went to an SRI party and stuff. So I ended up in Saeeds.

And I walk in and Brad and Casey are in there. And John's working for them at the time. And he's got to go to work the next day. And they just start feeding John's shots. They're like, we're going to make sure this falls out sick tomorrow. And John's like, I ain't calling out sick. I ain't calling out sick. So they get them all tuned up.

And next morning, John comes down and he stairs. He's like, hey, I need you to be a favor. I said, I lost my phone last night. You call Bradden him and tell him not going to make. And then you get you get your shirt about three weeks later. He lost his phone in Atlanta. Yeah, his good phone. This time I lost my good phone.

He had two phones and ones like beat to hell. So whenever you went out drinking, he would bring this phone. So, and we made fun. Wait a minute. We made fun of them forever about it. And then that night he goes, he got all messed up, went out drinking with. And then he went out with Doug, I think, right? They went to some bar.

And the next day he's like, I lost my good phone. I'm 56 years old, just broke my nose. And I didn't know you needed a drinking phone. Well, we do know that. We just never had one. Freddie might need a drinking phone after Columbia. I need a lot. I need to drink a phone, wallet, everything else.

All right, learn something new every day. Moving on to DBC picks. Congratulations, TJ. You won with Joey. We are officially tied for losing. Best buds. No, he wins a tiebreaker because you didn't have a win all year. Oh.

I had a win. No, you didn't have the winner. Oh, that's not fair. Your math thing has to math. That's right. I forgot that was in there. I know. It sucks to think you tied when you didn't tie.

Loser again. That look, that look you just got was. Sorry, I mean, losing is losing. Okay, well, we'll make up for it. We'll do the last year's dinner that Freddie owes. I don't think I was ever losing this year. I think Freddie tied me maybe at one point. Whatever.

I think you did tie. Is there a way? Where did you finish? First. He won. He won. He won. He won.

Going out with a bang. I'm looking at it. I want to do something different with this. DBC Picks is over. I won. Casey finished last. And we got a lot of guys. I just text y'all this on your phones that did not make the playoff.

I want you to tell me three guys, and I'll go first, that you think have to make the playoff next year are there in Hot Duky. Hot Duky. I think Bubba needs to make it. I think, and this is easy to look at, right? I think Kyle Bush needs to make it. And I know I just skipped over Ross Chastain, but I know Ross signed a multi-year deal and his car is sold out.

And I'll go on the limb here. Jimmy Johnson needs to make it. He's definitely not going to make it. I'm going to go out of limb here. And this guy doesn't have to make it, but I think Justin Haley can make it. yeah to your point knowing contract status i'll take one of your guys off the list uh bubba um but but we need to make it like with that just for what we're driving and listen this is two years

in a row but where hold on a minute you just said contract status if he in a charter car he might be able to go somewhere and i'm not opening that can of worms for me and you to debate i'm just one of the one week put that out there for everybody it's possible but um you know you look it again if some things don't happen, things play out differently, if you go back and look at the stats and the points we put up, the probably would have finished 10th and points again this year if he had made it, which he didn't. So mute point.

But listen at this list. Here's what I want to ask our buddy, Tray Ryan, to do while Freddie, the names is next two. I want to know how many first time ever crew chiefs in cup have made a cup playoff. Yeah. Because that's what you got. You got a truck crew chief coming to be a cup crew chief. Not so much that I think they need to make the play.

playoffs but there's guys that need to be closer eric jones is one that has to have a better year he can't be he can't be 28th points next year um that just if you're not gonna you're not gonna have a job i don't think awesome dillon i mean 32nd points yeah wait a minute austin's never another one i mean obviously austin's gonna drive that three car also also gonna drive three car as long as jose and wants to drive the three car i think so he goes to the front office and he's gonna drive that office so i you know there's no hot water there um there's really you guys you guys you guys you guys you got You got two guys so far. There's really no of mine.

He got one of mine. Indirectly. All right, you're done. Go ahead, Joel. Yeah, I don't know. There's really nobody other. Ross, but you said Ross has got multi-year deal. I think he's safe.

You know, man. Like, if you're not performing, he's got to win races. And I'm sorry to jump over you, Joel here. No, well, you're fine. You know, I look at, I look at Bubba, Ross, and Kyle as guys that I see, I mean, they should win races every year. Those cars should win races every year. It's a difference between who I think. things should be in there and who I think is on a hot seat.

You know what I mean? I think if they go multiple years without winning or struggling, then I think they're in a hot seat. Oh, yeah. You know, looking at the, I'm going to do one only. Am I supposed to get two? You do three. You do what you're going.

Well, it wasn't even your turn. You'd already done three. Well, I started drinking at 8.30 a.m. So. But I think Gregson in the right stuff, like the astronaut, whatever. Was that a movie? Was that a movie? What?

The right stuff, yeah, right, the right stuff wasn't astronaut as before Casey's time. Yeah, you don't know what.

He started the year strong. I mean, if he gets, if that front row stuff is good, I think he's good enough to do better than what he's doing. And I'm looking down, and I know Austin Dillon's my third choice on this,

but, Kaz Grazala now. Here's what I want to talk about in the top 16 guys. Ty Gibbs, made a playoff, had a terrible playoff showed a ton of promise in the first half of the year.

I thought he was going to break through and win as a sophomore. He was breaking kind of the sophomore slump rule. He did not have a good second half of the year. I think Ty Gibbs is not in a must-win situation because his name's obviously on the building,

but he needs to come out and win a race. Year three is when you're supposed to win, T.J. Fair? By year three, for sure. I mean, we've had, I mean, especially in the cars that he's in, I would have, obviously we're not allowed to, I would have bet the farm that he would have won a race this year. I thought he was going to win this year.

He had enough speed. The first half of the year seemed way better than the second half for whatever reason. But I thought especially if before the year I would have bet the farm. If you would have asked me after the first 10 races, I would have bet the farm twice over that he was going to win a race. And it just never happened. The car has a lot to do with this. This car is really tough. It's a parody.

So when you look back at like you say yesterday, and you look at it. look at Ligano, some people master what they've got, the car. I don't like Joey Ligano, I told you. But he mastered what the system is and what's going on. And Pinsky's pretty good at it too. But I don't know, you know, the Gibbs kids got immense talent. We've got to wind this thing down. But before we do, we can't do it.

I thank you. Thank you to listeners. NASCAR officials, media members. Obviously, everybody that's touched this podcast this year, DBC, even Jay, who's a Clemson fan. I don't usually like Clemson people, but last night Ashley gave me a ride home. She's a Clemson graduate. I appreciate that. You took a ride from a club.

Well, she brought me to my truck because I didn't, I flew commercial out. I'm going to hear a bigger story later. Yeah. But no, man, thank you to everybody's listening. It's been a fun year. It's a long season that you guys have got, in my opinion, longest season in NASCAR history coming next year with one weekend off way early on the schedule it's not even going to be a weekend off with Xenity well that's your choice

when you spend two weeks into Wobie can't help you spend two weeks in Dubai you'll be there no I will be nowhere close to that I turn my past 40 you will not see me in Warkingham next year I promise you a lot of team members today are like we talked about with the SHR guys you know moving around silly season's not over TJ who's your crew chief next year you want to break it here you want me to break it I don't know you're talking about they announced your crew chief's not coming back. You know that part. I don't know.

No. You don't know or you're lying. You ain't going to say. If you say, I don't want to say. Did your dog chew on the bathroom? Did you dog chew on the bathroom? Yeah, we got a pop. The bull by the horns.

Yeah, it got a hold of it. I was messing with him and he got to hold him. I take Freddy two months ago that you were getting the new crew chief. Not, not, not. How long ago? Six weeks. Yeah. About the same time, he,

a little before he left his other job. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. That's bull. All right, we got to have to show up. I'm not going to say a word. Anyone else?

Silly season's not over. I need my dog to somehow get in this picture. You going back full-time spot next year? Yeah, oh, yeah. We'll take a picture with Josie after. You're going full-time spot next year? Hell no. Yeah, he's back.

He's going to say, I hope. I hope I'm welcome back at RCR. Are you going full-time spot in here? No, no, ma'am. Maybe. Yeah, he probably is. One guy that got suspended twice. one year you can't do that.

I was like, there's a 25% chance I would come back full time at 2026 as of tonight. But there's a 100% chance I'm not coming back full time next year. I walked through the garage, the cup garage on Friday going to the spotter stand. And I saw enough people look at me and look away to know I'm not coming back. That's part of coming on this show. You say stuff to Harts People's Friends. I don't care. So you're not doing experience in your next year, Freddie, or?

I'm doing this, Fendi. Joel, we as always appreciate you joining us on this. It's almost a recurring episode now, though. It was a season finale last year, too, I think. Yeah. Do you have a girlfriend?

I know we talked to this last time. Casey. Is it married, damn it? I mean, you can't be. We talked about this. We talked about this. The girl, right, last year? Well, Josie.

Josie. Josie goes to see Casey. Josie bites Casey. But to think about it, she's at the door. What does that mean? She's ready for the show the N2. It's her 10th birthday.

October. Okay, we're... And she did not produce at all this year. Look at her. I mean, look how cute. She didn't produce. You went over. No, Ofer.

You DNF. I do you. DNF stands for D&F. She's going to get over there. DNF didn't know. Thank you all so much. It's been real. You guys are the best listeners in the world.

We love you guys. Please keep listening. I promise our show gets brother. Yeah, I'm out. Thanks, Casey. Thank you, guys. Thank you, everybody. We will see it when we go back.

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