Door Bumper Clear - 357 - Bubba & Butterbean: All Gas, No Brakes

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Bubba Wallace joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge on Door Bumper Clear this week to recap an eventful Speedweeks in Daytona. The crew discusses the late-race crashes that set up a wild finish, Ryan Preece’s wheelie and flip, and so much more!0:00 – Bubba Wallace16:18 – Butterbean Queen Conversation29:29 – Spot on Spot Off56:56 – Reaction Theatre1:05:52 - #AskDBC1:07:24 – Shitshow Hall of Fame1:11:42 – DBC Picks. Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Door Bumper Clear merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Should we just go back to being assholes? Yeah, that's what we are, right? Let's continue being asshole. I am probably closer to Tommy than anybody else in this board. What the fuck are you talking about? I think the two of you definitely have being assholes covered. Who can really be a bitch when they want to be a bitch?

That was the first person to come to mind. I try to stay calm. Here's what pisses me off about that. What is that supposed to be? Exactly what I said. Who are you? Who are you? You.

Well, fuck it. I guess we'll just go back to being ourselves. Yeah, we'll buckle up because you might get you feelings. Yo, what's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of DBC. I'm Freddie Craft, spotter for Bubble Wallace. Joining me today. Tommy Baldwin, Competition Director of Rick Ware Racing slash crew chief of the 51.

Cody Ware car last night. I forgot. The crew chief this week got thrown into the mix because my crew chief got thrown out on Wednesday or Thursday, whatever day it was. What were you doing to do that? Can we discuss that on here? Is it still in the appeals process? No, no appeal. No appeal.

We have one other crew chief got thrown out, and he was our crew chief last year. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Lawson. Yeah, so we got, you know, Lawsoned, I was going to say. Does he say Larson or Larson? Lawson?

Or it could be either one. Lawson. Lawson. Carson Lell, just a little bit of everything at the cars store, I guess, we'll just say for now. No title. No title. Rocket, no title.

I'm glad you got back last night. We were concerned that you weren't going to be able to make it. I almost didn't have wings. My family played a really sick joke on me. They told Carson she was going to have to drive back in the bus with LW. I'm like, all of a sudden I went to having two plane option rides to zero and a motorhome. I'm like, cool. And she's texting this during the race.

Yeah, he's spotting. Yeah, they were busy. I'm crew chief. Well. Anyway, joining me today, my driver from last night that we're probably not going to speak to each other the rest of the week. Bubba Wallace. Hi, Bub. Or now. Or now.

For one, I'm sure he's tired of my voice. And then the end of the race is another reason we're... West than ideal. Less than ideal. Not perfect. I mean, let's just jump into the 500, I guess. Yeah. It was pretty on the ventful and I think.

Well, it was for three quarters of it. It was. And then it just turned into a complete shit show at the end like it always does. Yeah, for us, I thought, you know, we, we put ourselves exactly where we wanted to be with 35 to go, 30 to go. And then I pretty much just fucked it up from there. You know, I talked about it with Bubba last night.

So much shit goes into this preparing. We watch videos. We have meetings after meetings after meetings. And you go back and watch all these races and see trends of what you think works and what you don't think is going to work. And, you know, going back, you know, you always know that the Penskeek cars are going to be the guys to be. You know, that's what we talked about for years. And, you know, when we were trying to become better plate races, we got to, we got to be more like these guys.

They control the race. They do everything. And that's how we won Talladega was covering the Penske cars when they got together. They pushed us to the lead and it started raining, obviously. And that was the big mistake I think I made last night. We got, we got clear of the Penske cars on the bottom. And I felt like I should have covered it. And I didn't just because of, by cover it means I tell Bubba to pull down in front of them and just stay with them.

I didn't because we won the duel from the middle lane. And I was like, I think the middle lane is going to be fine. It's two hensure cars up there. And it wasn't. And then I covered the top lane when I shouldn't have covered the top lane and kind of hung some of our Toyota teammates. So it's just a series of mistakes at the end by myself. But how was the race for you?

I mean, I'm sure you agree with that. Well, obviously, you just explained to it. Yeah, explained to him. No, I think that was, you know, all valid points of covering the middle. I mean, everybody was fighting for the middle early in the race just to get there. And I think if we would have stayed middle instead of covering the top, I think that would have probably been better. Because I didn't realize we were so fixated on the 24 and the 9 there at the end that the 42 and the 45 were in the middle.

And I didn't know until they covered me that that was them. And so who knows? I just think the pace was too quick at that point for us to try to fight off the top. And we just kind of fell down to. Yeah. It was, it's, again, you know, like going into it, I know. We know. Like we've done this for like we've hozed ourselves a couple years ago.

I think of Talladega trying to get the top going and the middle killed us. And all day, even on Thursday, going back to Thursday, I was like the third lane forms with Justin and the guys that are trying to make the race pushing the top. And I'm like, I'm not worried about them. I'm not worried about them. And here they come. All of a sudden now they're making up ground. So that was also in my mind. Like I'm like, because you want to be the only way you're going to win that race is leading a lane.

You've got to be leading a lane. And so I was like, the last thing I want is to cover this middle, which I didn't know. When the middle moved, the top moved up, I was fixated on the nine and the 24 together. And I saw the 42 in the middle. And it's always, in my opinion, like even Xfinity truck, whatever, you go with stronger cars. And I didn't realize Tyler, because they're coming straight at me off a four when we made the move to the top. I didn't realize it was Tyler tucked in behind the 42. So I saw the 42 and I saw two Hendrick cars.

And I'm like, I'm going to go with these Hendrick cars because they were always strong. and then when we got down in front of me I'm like oh fuck that's Tyler in the middle and I still at that point thought we're not dead we can maybe push 24 just push us back in front of the 42 and if that was ever going to happen we would just get back down but it just it just never did

and then we just both those middle and top lines just killed each other and then it just let that bottom line drive away which I should have known was going to happen after the duel that once that middle and top lanes kind of split they're just going to drag each other back and the bottom's going to take off and I think but it's unfortunate I thought we had a great weekend obviously won the duel

but Tommy how was your how was the end of your I know you guys played it out pretty well and similar results yeah I mean we everything went according to plan the Corey with the O-1 was fast all day ran up front all day and then at the end of the stages he would play it safe and go back because we weren't fighting for points or anything because that's an open car we're only running eight races with that with that car so there's no reason to do that he knew he had a fast enough car he could get back up there which he did it after each stage when it went back green. Yeah, he was in good position.

It's where you want to be, right? The first three rows coming to the checker, right? And unfortunately, he got tagged just touched. I mean, it didn't even put a dent on the car. And he got spun out there and got flats and couldn't drive it back to the start-finish line. And the 51 car, we played the other strategy. We just sat in the back of the lead group,

the whole race until the end. We waited for a couple wrecks to happen, got ourselves in position. and I think at the video before we were wrecked, we were sitting ninth on the bottom because we wanted him to paint the line. I don't care what happens, just paint the line and see where we end up. And just got clipped by the 54. He bounced off the wall and just made a severe left and just clipped us

and destroyed it for the second time of the week. But we showed speed. You know, I'm proud of all the guys. That O-1 group is all shop guys. most of them never been to the track before so it was it was good for them to experience that and they can bring back obviously some good information to the other guys at the shop the other four guys that were left at the shop to make everything better so yeah it was a good week carson how was it on the earnhard side of things this was a pretty pretty big week for dale and the kelly and everybody at jrm it was exciting i mean i

i obviously didn't have a whole lot to do with it except just being there on you were not there I was there. Yeah, I wasn't putting fuel in the car and putting tires on it, as the people that chewed me up on Twitter said. But yeah, no, it was just cool. It was just cool. It's, that's what I've gotten into, I guess, by doing this show. But no, it was cool. It's always cool to see that side of Dale, right? You know, you don't always get to see how emotional he gets about things or any things that do make him emotional. So it was just cool to watch him and my mom do that and get to experience it all. And meeting Chris Stapleton was cool, too, I guess. And Justin's a good dude, right? I mean, if anybody could drive that car, I would hope it would be Justin. It's just an all-around feel-good weekend. Yeah, I was kind of pissed at, Dale, because we went and won that duel, and the only thing I saw after the duel was fucking Dale. I was like, thank, congrats, Dale. Yeah, sorry.

Bubba Wallace wins duel one. Dale Jr. That's it. Solid. All right. How about the rest of the races of the weekend? I know Jesse Love, one of our favorite guests on here, one of those RCR cars, in the Xfinity series.

They can do... I never seen a lot. It's like the Penske cars. Dude, they can do whatever they want. They just pull out of line whenever they want, go around everybody and just pull down, clear a guy, go back up.

Whatever lane they got in front of, that line just took off. And then unfortunately, I don't know what broke on the 21, but I think he was obviously the best car and probably was going to win his 19th Xfinity race in a row at Daytona. And then they broke,

and then obviously Jesse was left alone there, but he still, he got the job done. He was incredibly fast. just like the 21 car. I did see a stat where Austin passed Earnhardt Sr. For most laps load at Daytona. Or Perkins.

Now I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. And it's funny because you talk about like preparing. And it's like these guys almost, like I said, they also can do whatever they want. But it's people like kind of let it happen. You know what I mean? Like that's like for that's us.

Like if we're racing the 21 and he's so strong, we're like, we got to keep this guy bottled up. Because if you let him get to the lead, he's just impossible to get around. And we know, that's what I back when I was with Chandler a couple years ago, that it was like one of the emphasis we did like, we have to keep the 21 behind us. Like you've got to keep this guy in line and you like you got to control him because if you let him get away, you're never going to see him again.

And for whatever reason, it just, they just kind of continue to let it happen. I look like you were still with Chandler and that duel. Keep coming down. That was the easiest wrecked to call in the history of wrecks. I'm like, he's just going to keep coming down. All right, now they're wrecking. Here they go. JJ.

I don't know what JJ was doing. but he, poor JJ's outside of us racing to get in the race, and they wrecked. And like I said, it was literally, you could see it coming into one. They didn't wrecked to the middle of one and two. And JJ's just like, I don't know if he just locked the brakes up, and just spun down the hill. And we're nowhere near the wreck.

We're at the back of the back. And he just spins down the hill and us. I'm like, oh, okay, I guess we're just going to crash back here by ourselves. It gave us an extra downforce. It's just something we don't need. We need to. We should have left it. Yeah, we should have.

Truck race still, I don't know what the hell. Like, I guess we're going to talk about it now. but uh cligerman wins what a story that is hell of a race it's kind of wild a little bit like the arka but uh cligerman wins and then it's like the most feel good story of the year and then we're all at the bar a little while later and it's okay he didn't win hirschman was sitting there next to me and somebody's like hey hirsch you just won the truck race and he was like oh my god yeah we were we were in the bus um and we were pulling for parker um and seen him do it's like sweet so i texted him right away congrats and went to bed and i woke up

and I made my wife feel so bad because I was like, I opened my phone. I was like, oh, no. She's like, what, what happened? I was like, my bad. Parker got to huge. She's like, oh. It's like, he's such a nice guy and it's two races now. What was it?

Was it the Roval last year where he got burned by a caution or something? Yeah. And lost that race. And then this year, now this, which they said they're going to appeal. Do you know, I mean, do you have any details on what they got to score? I mean, you know, more on the technical side. I know they were too low. Obviously, everybody kind of tries their damage?

I don't think there was damage. They were too low. It's kind of... Is that something that you guys do going into the race? Obviously, you go through tech, and then are you trying to lower the car throughout the race to get it to drive better or be faster? Well, the problem is with the ride height rule,

you're doing everything to the truck to make it drive low, right? To make it go low as quick as possible and go around the racetrack. And there's so much money that's been spent on, you know, Xfinity before the bump stops with the trucks and what they do. now that if you just miss a little bit, it's something's going to happen. A spring fail or something. You know, the right-high rule to me is just so much, in these days, a waste of time. But it will cost so much money to change it.

It's not, you can't just change a rule like that. It would cost, you know, NASCAR doesn't change a rule and say, here's $100,000 because we change your rule. They don't do that. It's $100,000 that we have to spend because you changed the rule. rule because of something that happened. So, you know, there'd be a lot of, it would be a lot of easier things to do to not worry about that right-hay rule, but it would change all the bodies. It would change the springs. It would just, you would have to just rebuild everything. So it's been a rule that's been in place, unfortunately, for many, many years. And, you know, something happened.

They missed either, you know, the spring came out of the pocket or the spring failed. I mean, you know, With these trucks, with the coil spring, it's an open coil, and it sits on this piece of aluminum, and it opens, and then the spring collapses right to it, and then it goes solid. Well, you're only riding on this much of the coil until that. So if that bends or flexes or wears, your heights off. Yeah. NASCAR 101 with Tommy Baldwin.

I was going to say since Tommy's getting opinionated, should we start spot-on, spot off a little early? Yeah, just before we get into that, obviously talk about pretty big change for you in the off-season. coming a dad. How's that happened? How's that changed any? Like,

has that changed your mindset going? I did see a pretty funny Captain Williams, uh, meme the other day on one of your pictures. Don't even get me started with my wife. But, but how is, how does that change,

like how you approach this season? Uh, no, it's been like after, after last night, um, I was bummed that, obviously we didn't get the result that we all wanted in what we thought we would get.

which I think that's your first mistake is going in there thinking you're going to win and, like, deserve the win is wrong. But I didn't really think we deserved it. But I just thought that was our best opportunity, right? And when that didn't happen, I walked in the bus. And Amanda, over the last, how long have we been together, eight years, nine years now, it's always, I've always told her like, hey, when it's a bad race, let's just go to the car and we'll talk later. And so she's sitting there with the baby. He's wide awake. And I walk in, and I'm, I'm okay.

I'm like, ah, it is what it is. She's just looking at me like, I'm like, hey, yeah, I'm good. Like, we lost. She's like, okay. I'm like, chill, we're good. Like, oh, well. I said, new year, new me. We'll see how long it lasts.

It changes your perspective. Until they get old enough to go, what were you thinking? Exactly. And then you walk out, then you walk out with them. Yeah, what was I thinking? And then they start calling you, what a dumbass you are. Trust me. He's already giving me that look.

Enjoy the next 12, 13, 14 years. Once they get smart enough to realize. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's been a lot of fun, though. He's just a happy, chill baby. Like, both days on the grid for the duel and on the grid for the 500, just super chill.

He fell asleep from my arms on the 500 grid. So, yeah, just awesome. How do you like his first trip to Victory Lane being? Was that Simba? Simba. Simba. I don't know what that's called. He was good.

Like you thought, like, in that moment with all the camera flashes, he would freak out. Maybe he was just overwhelmed. They didn't know what to do. Like, there was so much going on. Yeah. But he, super chill. Was that something you thought about doing? Like, or was that just in the moment.

Like, I grabbed him and I'm like, here we go. But yeah, that was my real trope. Yeah. Exactly. But no, that was cool. That was cool. Just going back to Victory Lane, having her and, um, and Beck's there was, was cool. A lot of fun.

Sweet. We have another special guest joining us this week. Brendan Butterbean Queen. He's here to talk about his Daytona win. He's also our 2024 cars tour late model stock champion. What's up, Brendan? Hey, how are y'all doing? Are you joining us from the Waffle House?

I can't tell. It looks like you're in the car, but are you outside the Waffle House? Yeah, we just got done celebrating. So, you know, I'm trying to make my way back home. But I should have, that's what I thought about this going and sitting in a Waffle House for this and making it look like that. But then I figured maybe I should have been at the Chili's because I didn't think that through the Chili's sponsors. You'll learn. You know, it's my first win, so people lay off me.

Yeah, take a break. The best part was the chocolate milk. We're going to celebrate with some chocolate milk. And I was like, what's he got a chocolate milk sponsor? What is he doing? Hey, I'm working. Tell them, tell them you can have chocolate milk on the car and you're already getting a shout out. Oh, you go.

You shout them out over the loudstom. speaker and millions of people heard. I'm like, he's celebrating chocolate milk. Cool. Tommy. Yeah, you know, you can't get in much of trouble drinking chocolate milk. So that's a good look. I have.

Yeah. Tommy was wondering, did you, what Waffle House did you end up in? I talked to you that night, you were at a Waffle House? Could you come back home or was that Daytona? We came back home. So we flew out, you know, right after we got out of tech and the media center and all that. So we landed and we went to the Walfouse by the shop.

So it kind of worked out. It would have been cool to go to a Daytona one, but you know how there's deals work. The plane was waiting. So it's kind of hard to hold the plane up. Yeah, for sure. Now, talk about the race, obviously, going into it, you know, I mean, you're a talented race driver.

You're with one of the best teams in the sport. Was it above expectations to go in there and win the race? Or was that something you really thought could happen? Well, first off, I felt like, you know, the 28 guys, everybody at Pinnacle racing, they're good everywhere. So the expectation is they can win at any place on the, you know, on the schedule. But it's just a lot of unknowns and especially Super Speedway racing. You know how it can go. But I knew the car would be good.

And I knew Derek up top would do a good job spotting. And I just felt like I just needed to learn throughout the race. And I tell everybody, I didn't think that'd be where the first one came, but we'll take it. Yeah. Break down to race, because like you said, you weren't really, I mean, Slovalich, I felt like, was in position, could kind of control the race, most of it. And then I looked up and it was you and Helio up front and running one, too. And I was like, oh, man, it's going to be hard to beat.

Yeah, I think, honestly, I think being older, like, helps so much. Just, you can watch them and they just drive crazy, really. Like the pushes are so aggressive and you see the guy in front of you can't hold it and they just keep doing it. And it's like eventually the guy's not going to save it. And I feel like my late model race and just being patient and, you know, younger me, I wanted to go lead everything. But now, like, I don't care if I lead one lap as long as the last lap. That's all that matters. Nobody's going to remember you led 80 of or 79 of them.

They're going to remember who won. You said you're old? You're old? Well, in the racing world, I feel old. But, you know, it's just, I feel like it took me a while to grasp that. But I think that's won me a lot of short track races, just putting yourself in position late. You can't win sitting in the garage. So I felt like the start of the race, you know, I just tried to learn, learn stuff that I could apply later in the race.

That was the big goal. like learn side drafting, learn how to manage my gaps and manage how I wanted to get a run on somebody and, you know, keep defenders on it. So we just really did a good job of that. And, you know, obviously, Neely and Derek Neelan helped me so much learning throughout the race. And then miss some wrecks, that was going to be the big part. You just had to survive. And, you know, almost like the Martinsville-Aitmall race, just had to survive and be running at the end.

And when it was all time to go, best case scenario, I had the teammate Helio on the back bumper. And that was definitely a really good moment hearing that he was behind me and just had to make sure I blocked the right line there at Den and get her home. Yeah, that last lap coming down the backstretch, I thought you might have been in trouble because the 18 had backed up a little bit. And obviously, I don't know as you, how much you or day, you know, obviously working with Derek, you guys pulled off a really good block down the back and it kind of propelled you out where they. they couldn't really get back to you. Yeah, I think, honestly, I think, I think it was the 97. I still need to go back and watch the replay, but I think it was the, or it was the six pushing the 18,

and I think he stalled out beside Ilya, which actually probably won me to race because it helped the 18 stall out too because he didn't have anybody else pushing down the back. Derek talked me through that whole scenario, and obviously I was probably out too far looking, at the replay, but I was dragging break. I was trying to get back to them.

But it was kind of crazy. Once our car got out front, our car was like really good. Like, you know, it was the first time we've been out front all day. It felt like we had a good car in the pack, just like I said, managing it. But, man, that thing out in clean air was like, it wouldn't slow down. How hard is that? That's got to be difficult. You know, you're leading to race.

You get clear by one or two car lengths. and you just think, you know, instincts take over, like, I got to just, you know, keep things in the wood and get away from these guys, but it's like, no, you need to back up. You need to get closer to him. What? Yeah, it's, so Derek can obviously kind of talk to me about it before the race. And obviously watching Daytona races in Talladega, you know, as a real,

as a real racer knows, you can't get out too far. And I knew, like, and I was trying to watch. watched a mirror and he's telling me how many carlinks and he's telling me back up back up and like I'm dragging break drag and break and it's like I was just waiting for him to say okay you go back to the gas here but it was like I'm not coming back to him like I'm trying so uh you know honestly the last eight laps there took forever I was so nervous that there was going to be a caution and restarts and all that but I think um honestly I just told myself to just breathe. No matter what happens here, you're leading at Daytona. It's a lifetime of a, or once in a

lifetime experience. If it goes our way and we win this thing, like, this is going to be amazing. If it doesn't, like, man, we had a shot. But those last eight laps, I was, I was trying to just breathe and focus and bring it home. And now, I mean, if I don't ever win another race, at least I can say I won there. Exactly. You're always going to be a Daytona winner no matter what. Congratulations on that. Thank you. That trophy is sitting on the kitchen table.

Was it actually full of a margarita? I wish. I thought about if I could cut the top off and make it work. But poor Nicole, she works from, you know, home down here. And she sent me a Snapchat a little while ago. and she's literally covered with the trophy next to her, can't move. And I said, well, you can't move the trophy. Sitting on the kitchen table.

I might not ever move. It's going to stay right there. Talk a little bit about your team, your season. Steve-O is a buddy of mine. Just a great guy that's kind of always been around. I know he was with Corey for a long time. I honestly didn't even know he was crew chief in you until the race. I saw him celebrating on top of the box.

When I talked to you, I wanted to give him a shout out also. But just what's your expectations for the rest of the season now obviously starting on such a high note. Yes, first off, Steveo, amazing person, great work ethic. I'm super excited that he's going to be my crew chief for the season. Super excited. He got a win at Daytona. Those guys worked so hard.

I mean, I go by the shop every day and see the hours they put in, and I'm the lucky guy that gets to hold the wheel. They're the reason the car is fast, and, you know, they don't have to be putting that much effort in, and it's because they care. So super cool to work with him. And yeah, so our goal was the finish Daytona, and we didn't want to start in a hole,

obviously running for this championship. And I think the main thing now is just try to, you know, carry the momentum and keep the pedal down, you know, while we're trying to extend the lead out and just build on some wins and consistent finishes. And I know everybody at the PRG is hungry to get the best repair.net Chevy back in Victory Lane. So I think hopefully we can see how many fingers we can get up in Victory Lane throughout

the year. How did the post race go with Hillio? What did you guys talk about? I'm interested in his thought process of all went down from the IndyCar, from what happened with the Arka car. So I didn't actually see him after the race because I was in the media center and then I guess he went back to He was in the care center

He was probably in the care center Oh yeah well that too I didn't even know Put his way I didn't even know he wrecked until I got back to the trailer to leave And I seen the car on pastors And I'm like

Didn't he finish to the top five You're like oh yeah Like my man got right rear To after the race I'm like oh my Like I I just Well I could

Don't get me wrong I believe it But I couldn't believe At the same time But um He hit a everything but the ambulance all weekend and ended up in the ambulance. Bless his heart.

Wow. He couldn't catch a break. Man, I felt bad, but so he was super awesome to work with. One of the nicest, famous people I've met, let's put it that way. That's what I said to him. But he calls me the queen because he thought I was a chick. And realized that I was not a chick because of the last name. And so he put me in his phone.

as the queen. And my Valentine's card from him that we had to do with the thing said queen to the queen. So I do have a Valentine's card from Helio if y'all saw my tweet. So I guess he was my Valentine. How did Nicole feel about that?

Well, there's an interview with Helio where he breaks Nicole into it says, I don't want to make you mad to be into Valentine's. So we're all good. Everything's good at home. And so hard feelings. But Helio was awesome, man.

I ended up texting him because I wanted him to know, like, how appreciative I was of him because I don't win that race without him pushing me there. So I sent him a text, and man, he texted me right back. Just super happy for me winning and happy for the team and thankful for the opportunity. And he was just saying how much fun he had and obviously felt horrible about the post-race wreck, but it's not really his fault. Yeah, the same guy that wrecked Helio, I think he was coming to celebrate with you. I looked over there one time, he just followed you down the front straightway.

Oh, yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, what, like, do y'all, can I do a burnout? Can I not? I've never done one. Like, am I allowed to? Is it going to mess the car up? Like, I'm asking a million questions because I'm like, I don't know what to do here. Like, I'm late mile racing.

I just go around backwards and pull her on in, and I never do a burnout because our stuff breaks if you do that. And so they're like, oh, no, we're bringing your flag. Like, you come over here and burn it down. I'm like, okay, not bad for my first burnout. And but before I got back to turn around, I'm like, why is this dude just sitting on the right rear? Like, I can't even turn around here. I'm like, I have no idea that's got things that were under caution or what's going on. So luckily, he got out the way and I was able to turn it around.

But I didn't even know where Victory Lane was. I'm asking the official, they're like, we need you to get off the front stretch. I'm like, well, I don't know where to go. You all got to do. Oh, man. Well, we appreciate you jumping on here with us. Congrats, man.

Obviously, you were on here last year with us, and we've always been a big fan of yours, and we'll be looking forward to watching some more wins and some more Waffle House trips this year. Hey, I appreciate y'all having me. Anytime. Hopefully I can keep it up, so y'all have to have me back on.

For sure, no doubt. You want to get into a little spot-on, spot-off now? Let's do it. Joey Lugano turns Ricky Sinhouse and causes a huge wreck with 15 to go that takes out Blaney, Kyle Busch, and other top contenders. Looks like the fastest car got in a hurry to get in the wreck. He created chaos. You got to know how wide your race car is to be able to find a hole to fit it in,

says Kyle Busch. Spot-on, spot-off, Tommy. Spot-off. If you look at the replay, I think the 47 had a lot more to do with it than the 22. I mean, he was trying to cover both the middle and the top at the same time, and he got a little behind, right? He got enough behind that the spotter should have called it. I mean, I'm sorry.

He didn't have enough speed, and I don't, I think it was both their faults. But what is, at that point, you know better than most, but at that point, the 22 can't slow down. What happens when the 22 slows down, accordion effect, right? And then there's a wreck anyway. Yeah. So I just think the 47 just made a mistake and tried to fix it. And that's what really caused the problem, unfortunately.

And look, you can blame anybody, but it's at the end of the race, right? The 47's trying to win. And 22 is trying to push the 47 and get to where he needs to get to to win. But I just think it was a little bit on the, 47 that caused that. I think that, I don't know, did you see the replay of this at all? You can bring the replay up, Alex. But, you know, to me, I think it was more 50-50 for me.

Like, I think that, you know, Ricky makes a bad block, a late block. I don't even know if it's a bad block. But he gets the block done. Like, it's a shitty block. It's late. It's going to stack everybody up. But he gets it done. And then Joey is just, there's a half, three quarters of a car hole there.

And he just keeps trying to. wedge back in there. When you know, again, racer IQ, know the guys you're racing, Ricky's not going to give you an inch. You know, that's just a guy that we know is going to be really aggressive with blocks or, you know, trying to force it through the middle. And I just felt like Joey just kept trying to force it back in there after the block was made. And it was, and I don't know why Ricky kind of, here it is. Ricky kind of comes down here. He leaves that open. He opens it and it was too late. So watch the four. Watch the four. Yeah, but he doesn't hit him until after they get together here.

Well, he ran into him. He got loose and then he ran to the inside. But he just keeps trying to wedge in there. I don't think he could do anything. At that point, they were pushing him, though. It's just a, look, it happens. It's plate racing. But the 47 going high for that split second is what caused it.

He's clear again, though. He still gets the block. What would you do, Bubba? Would you let off the gas at that point if you were to 22? And what would you do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, you could pull up the three in the 23 earlier than the race.

It was kind of the same thing. Yeah. And we backed out. Like you had to back out. Like I just feel like, I mean, like you said, nobody's going to lift at that point in the race. I don't know what this was. It was probably inside 10 to go, 20 to go, whatever it was. But I like having replays now.

Yeah. Like, where's Joey going to go there? Yeah, nah. He's just trying. Ricky made the late block and kept him at bay. And then when when Lugano turns left again, that's when it's like, Where are you going?

Right. Because you're going right into the right rear of your teammate. Loss is right. And I get what you were saying. The four's up his ass and probably pushing. But it looked to me like the... Blocked. You're clear again.

You're clear. Yeah. I don't know why Ricky doesn't come down. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like Ricky needed to close that hole to the 12 better also. Like once he gets the block done, just come back down there and cover the 22 completely. But it was kind of like he, kind of like the three earlier. We were talking about like he was going to block us, but then he kind of left us three quarters of a lane.

You said an arc of car come through there? The 40. 40. Was it really? Hang out, let it play. Look at this Arkin car come through here. Wait for it. Wait for it.

Still? Wait for it. And send it. That was one of those like when they're wrecking. All right, hurry up. Get through it. Right there, there's no hole. Ricky also should have done a better job of once he completed the block, just continue to cover the block.

Get back down there. He kind of ended up in no man's length. It started with the 47 and it just got lost in there. Didn't Kyle Bush get parked after that from NASCAR officials for not meeting minimum speed or something? No, I don't know. That was the wreck. But he, I don't know. I don't know if you have audio here, but like he's questioning procedures.

Says you have three attempts to make minimum speed and that the race never went back green. I don't even think they know their own rules or procedures. You know, what he needed to do is understand the rules a little. bit better. He was probably 25% right, but you guys know that that air system is just a crutch. I mean, when you have all four tires flat on a speedway, how low we run, we're on the stops of the shocks. The car's not going anywhere anyway. So there's no more pushing. So if the car doesn't move, the car has to get towed. Last year, the car was allowed to possibly get towed to pit road, and then you were on a seven-minute clock, an eight-minute clock at Atlanta,

and you were allowed seven minutes in order to fix it. But now, since it gets towed, it has to go into that area, the fixable area, inside the pit area. There's a designated area. There's a designated area now that we all have to set up another pit area, spend more money on parts and pieces, because now we've got to have doubles of everything. Did they give you money for that? No, no money. Don't need a box? The rule is if you stay on a seven-minute clock and you go out, you have three laps to

to make minimum speed. And you have a chance to go back if you don't, then to the garage and make changes. You can't come back on pit road. So if you go back to the garage and make changes, then you have one chance to go out and make on three laps. As soon as that car left, now when you get towed right in the pit area,

you only have one chance. Once you leave that area and you have to go out, you have three laps to make. It doesn't matter if it's under caution. You can't come back in. You can't do anything. So. Did he get a chance to run?

I don't even know if he came back out. No, he went out under caution and they came back in because there was still problems. But still, you went back out. So he needed to stay out. Stay out, make minimum, then come back and work on it. If he made minimum speed, then he could have went on pit road. And no more clock, no more anything, and work on the car. So he was a little bit right.

But I would say, I wouldn't think the if the tow drivers had empty air in their bottles. I just think the car was flattened. You know the deal. You know. All right. Number two, Ryan Priest's car, wheelies, and then flips after contact. Wheelies.

I know, you're right. I was like, did I read something wrong? I thought it was funny. Flafter contact with Christopher Bell, after the crash, he said, when the car took off and it got real quiet, all I thought about was my daughter. I'm lucky to walk away, and we're getting really close to somebody not being able to. spot on, spot off, Freddie. That was a strong quote from Ryan.

You know, we were talking about this in the group text last night. Tommy said it's kind of just a freak accident. But how many times can we say this is a freak accident? You know, like, in my question to you, Tommy, is, does that car take off like that if it doesn't have an underbody on it? No. You know what I mean? So is that going to be the problem the whole time?

Like this, you know, the old car we would have jumped over that guy's wheel and been right back on the ground. I've been fine. You can add all the roof flaps you want. But that was, you know, we talked about somebody said something about the roof flaps not deploying. That that's for a spin usually. It tried, it tried to deploy when he got a little bit sideways. The easiest way you can explain it to everybody is put your hand out the window and go like this and go like that and see the force. Well, that's exactly what happened to that car.

As soon as it got a little bit sideways right there, it opened. It did what it was supposed to do, but it was too late. It was over, yeah. So now what's going to happen is NASCAR is going to put a full investigation on that. and hopefully we can come up with something. But he just jumped wheels. The 54 probably would have flipped at Bowman Gray if he was so bad enough too, right? But, you know, it's the same type of situation as that.

But, yeah, it's, again, a freak, freak deal that's going to make NASCAR dig into it and try to, you know, solve a problem. I was just, I forgot who was on the inside of me, but Priest was the next car ahead. And so all I saw was his nose. And I made the comment under red. I was like, dude, he flew. Yeah. And Fred didn't say anything.

So I'm like, oh, God. Is he bad? So I was like, is he okay? But from my perspective, I was like, how the hell? I knew exactly what had happened. He had hit a wheel, but like, he flew for so long. Yeah. It was just slow.

Yes. The in-car view, I don't know, it was a 43 or 99. Who's ever in car it was? Oh, right inside by side. Yeah, you're just, like, he's just flying the whole, like, three quarters. Just the air is underneath the car, and the 43's pushing him a little bit with his right front. So he's kind of carrying him a little bit further and further. So this is not a funny deal at all, but Blaine and I will find something funny out of it.

We were on the plane ride back together. If you can find that in-car for, I think it may have been the 99 and pull that up, priest gets airborne and his left front wheel is spinning, and then all of a sudden it just stops. Yeah. He stepped on the brake. Yeah, he stepped on the break. Oh, we laughed about that. It was just like,

I don't know what that's going to do, but... Yeah, my dad did that one time. He was, I forget where he was racing. But same thing, like, he jumped the wheel at the intersection and was, like, flying to the air. And he landed, and it's just kind of like nose into the wall. And I'm like, all right, you're good. Like, you can go back out.

He's like, no, we're done. He's like, I broke the brake pedal. I was like, what? He's like, my dumb ass was standing on the brake pedal when we landed. It just fucking snapped off. He's like, I guess I thought I had air brakes. So I was going to stop in the middle of the air. Oh, man.

But, I mean, it is scary. And I don't know. Like, is there any way that there's just never going to take this underbody off, right? I mean, I would assume. It's just, you know, like I said, we always say it's a freak accident. I think it was Barry somewhere got hit and it just turned right over, you know, obviously Corey last year. Like, it's like, oh, it's a freak deal.

It's like, well, it's a freak deal that's happened numerous times now. So, like, there's got to be. And twice to one of the same people. Yeah. We have so many variables that change our sport. like any other sport. I mean, it's crazy because soon as something happens, it's a change and it's a cost, right?

Again, they're going to make some changes. We all know that after this. They're going to investigate that. They're going to help fix it, but it's going to be a cost to the teams. And I guess that's what Michael's kind of fighting for. Were we still running the right side rails that we put on last year? They're still on that.

And that worked. I can't remember which car got sideways. I think it was during the duels on Thursday. Bowman. It worked perfectly. You can see everything deployed the correct way. I was like, man, NASCAR did a really good job because that really worked. I think Bowman was really glad they took that grass out in the duel.

That would have been the same as a priest last year where he's sliding across that grass. That was it. Yeah. Watch his left front here. Spinning. Hey, the brakes work. Hey, the brakes work. Solid.

Good to know. Ryan's okay. I didn't talk to him last. You talked to him last night at all? No, I'm trying to give him a text right out. I hope he doesn't wake up with two black eyes. He looked good the last time. I text him and I won't repeat what he said. I said amen. All right. Moving on, NASCAR throws questionable cautions throughout speed weeks.

You had the truck finish, the debris crossing right after the fuel window opened, dual number two, spot on, spot off. Bubba. Careful. Wait, are you allowed to? He's allowed to have an opinion at least. take away my DDP points. NASCAR did everything right.

Let me ask you this. Spot on. More so, maybe this is a better question for you, so you don't have to be critical of them. But what would you prefer? Like, do you, like, obviously everybody's complaining about consistency because we saw them. That's what I was going to say.

They saw them flip the switch way too fast on Thursday. And then obviously they never flipped it last night. So it can't be both. But like, what would you prefer? Because in my opinion, I know their thought process on Thursday is, that you don't want guys pile they're you know they don't want guys piling into a wreck at the start finish line so they think they're going to throw the yellow and everybody's going to stop which came from i mean it came

from pre-restre but newman's wrecked was the biggest right and but like that's not going to happen in my opinion like you i don't i can tell you we're coming to the checker of the duel i'm not the asshole it's like fuck it yeah i'm going to stay in the wood like i'm going to try to be smart but try to still get a decent finish yeah if it's not in the cards it's just i think you know so what would you prefer to like to it's just i think you know so what would you prefer to like to If I'm going to tell you it's going to be one way or another, like, do you want that yellow instantly? Or do you want to know that they're going to give you a chance to race back if you can?

It's hard, right? Because, like, you look at the truck race. And I think it was Laletta and I talking about it in the hauler. It was like, like the last 50 feet, don't throw the caution. But in last 50 feet, Newman, that's when the Newman wrecked happened. So it's like, well, how do we get through that? I think, you know, that wreck, that wreck happened behind the leaders too, right?

Just like when you're penalized, every situation is different. And so how do you create consistency on that? They're in a tough spot because I didn't see the finish last night. Did they throw a caution at all? Well, no. Okay, so they raced all the way back. Two? They wrecked.

Or in a three. Like middle of the back stretch, basically. And they raced back to the checker. Yeah, here it is. Here's the last wreck. The easiest thing, I don't. The easiest thing, I don't think it's that difficult is the field is frozen from the wreck back. Right?

Yeah. Let the other guys that aren't in the wreck forward of the wreck get to the checker. Yeah. I mean, that would pretty easy fix, I would think. Or stop making the white flag the final lap. Do you mean just like in the rain? If caution comes out. Yeah, yeah.

Just keep going to back up. Yeah. I mean, it's the biggest race of the year. Gosh. It's a $2,500 and you want it to end that way. I can't imagine that would be a just... I mean, they're going to tear some more shit up. I'm always on here just saying,

don't even have a green white checkers anymore. Just get rid of everything. You know, I think they, at the end of the day, well, by the end of the week, they were getting beat up so much. Well, that's what I said to you earlier. I said, I could have tweeted yesterday that, like, the apocalypse can happen on the last lap tonight, and they're probably not going to throw yellow

because they just got tortured all day on Thursday. Friday for what happened on Thursday night. It's just it's a no win situation for them. Because like at this rec, you know, for me, like if I'm arguing that the yellow should have been thrown, some guys took pretty hard hits there. And now you're not able to, you know, send, you know, help.

They said they were able to deploy safety. And they can't, like, they should be able to. Like once the leaders are by, there's nobody, you know, that big pack, so they should be able to roll. But that's always been their excuse in the past is we were trying to get safety workers out to those guys. So we got to throw the caution immediately. Well, now once the fields goes by,

just get them out there. Like, at the end of the day, if they threw a caution or if they didn't, nobody passed. No, it wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered. So they probably should have threw in a caution. I just, I assumed it was yellow. Like when I saw that big wreck there and I saw that, I said, oh, shit, Byron won. You know what it came on right there.

And then, yeah, I would have thought, I thought, I assumed it was yellow right here. And then I looked down and I was like, oh, shit, the flag stand is still green. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, they're in a no-win situation, in my opinion. I don't, like, whatever they do, they're going to get. It's like anything else in the world today. Like, there's two.

sides and everybody's going to hate one side or the other and they're just in a no-win situation. Kudos though to all those spotters paying attention. Yeah. To keep racing. The first instant because you guys have been... Sounds like Freddie would have told me Oh yeah, yeah. You would have to first

to like eight. Unfortunately, I heard unfortunately I already fucked up and you were in the garage. Unfortunately, you never had that opportunity. I didn't have to pay that much attention at that point. Yeah. He was already on a plane by the time I got out of the car. That was the first time I saw that, right?

Jesus. All right. Steve O'Donnell says NASCAR expects to move the championship race, quote, unquote, in the future. Spot on. Spot on. I thought you were saying off. I was like, oh, shit, what? Spot on.

I mean, we ran pretty good there. All right. Where do you think of where? You weren't there. Oh, damn. Leave Freddie at home. I take one race off and you start throwing shit. Leave Freddie at home.

We can keep it at Phoenix. Where do you think they should move it to? What's your ideal track? Should be floating. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, if you picked one track, what would you be? Like, what would your ideal track be? We got to look at where we produce the best races, and it's usually mile and a halfs with this car.

And so your Kansas, Charlotte's a good one. Somehow I had a feeling you were going to say Kansas. Kansas is not for us anymore. We just threw that whole setup out of the door. Where else? I mean, the mile and halves are in the name of the game right now for this next-gen car. So I think it needs to be floating, though, for sure. For sure.

And we talked about this last couple years on this show. You know, you were giving guys advantage. Like right now you look at Penske's got a clearly has an advantage. They're untouchable at Phoenix when they get to the championship race. You know, you were going to, you know, Reddick was untouchable in the Xfinity car because he ran Homestead. You know, every year he's really good at Homestead. So like the idea to make it floating, I think just opens it up to more, you know, competitive balance. Yeah, I mean, I think it should be someplace warm.

Yeah. Yeah. And I also think it's, you know, NASCAR does a really good job of not just the race thinking about the fans. and sometimes us, right? We want to get out of there and go somewhere after that race and the last championship race of the year should be

to be able to enjoy it, right? So I think the fans plan a nice vacation around it, not just to race. So I think that thought process goes into that. Where we, if we really want to get into it, we need to shorten it up by about two months, the whole season.

Then you're at the end of the summer. Yeah. You can go anywhere. Yeah, yeah. So then it opens up. That would be ideal. That's bad. That's very spot on.

That was never going to happen. He is very small. We're going to add more races before you to that. I think it, Bowman Gray should be the championship race. Oh, yeah. Fucking idiot. So stupid.

I'm going to have got me in the All Star Race. The All Star Race for a million? Oh, my God. Like, Danny would have definitely just blew chase off the racetrack at that point. Like, yeah, but at the same time, though, like, this is, this is where I feel like in our sport, like, when we, and I'm getting. guilty of it too. Like we go to, we go to Bowman Gray and we know there's nothing on the line. You run into me? I'm going to be pissed at you for the whole fucking season. Yeah. Right? And it's like,

so you think Brad's going to be mad at us for the whole season? No, I had a nice conversation with Brad. And I thought it was nice. I don't know how he took it. Susie Wadway, he's like, F that guy. Yeah. And so he was behind me in the last 10 laps. I was like, oh, here it comes. But, you know, we go. go back to Bowman Gray have the All-Star race. Like that race doesn't matter. It's a million dollars, right? So, ah, I mean, it's a million dollars in line. I got wrecked for it.

Okay, sure. No, it's like, you throw everything at them. So you're going to race him like an asshole the next 10 weeks. And it's like, isn't this what we kind of want? Like, you want the beating and bang and you want that stuff. So, like, accept the show, which I kind of went into Bowman Gray. Like, this is going to be a shit show. You're going to get run into.

So, okay, have at it. I'll tell you the million dollars that you brought up, I'll tell you guys a good story. So I got to see Matt Kenseth yesterday. You know him. You never see him until you see him, right? And it reminded me, he told me a story when he won the Winston Million back then. He got the check and he forgot all about it. He forgot all about it.

So all of a sudden it's on his somewhere in his desk or somewhere. And he goes, oh, here's my check. So he went to drive-through, the bank, the deposit. It's a deposit. $1.123 million as check. And the lady was like, are you kidding me?

I don't know what to do with it. So he went and deposited through the drive-thru a million dollar check. That'd be some shit out of it. That would be something you could have done. That's funny.

All right, we have a new twist to spot on spot off this year, Bubba. So this might be fun for you since old Freddie. But you guys get to ask each other a question with no limits. Each of you. Each of us.

So Freddie, well, Freddie, you can ask Tommy. Tommy, you can ask Freddy. Mine, I'm going to get Tommy's blood pressure going. How the fuck did you guys lose the tour race on Saturday? With the fastest modified I've ever seen it, New Smyrna. Yeah, it was pretty good. Unfortunately, unfortunately, it messed it up. I know the feeling, my son, yeah.

I know the feeling. Yeah. Was it the spotter? No, no. He got a little nervous. I told him the pit once the cost should come out because we were the only one with tire. left. I knew we were going to take a beating the run before because I did right sides and swap

lefts. It's weird on the pit stops. Everybody else took two, come back in and put a left rear on. But no matter what I did is, it still gave me good track position. If it worked, it worked, no biggie. But everyone else was out of tires, but me. So when a car should come out with 25 to go, we were golden, right? I said, all right, come in, we're going to put tires on. And at the last minute when the other the five or six guys in front of them didn't pit, he freaked out. He freaked out because they weren't pitting. He didn't realize that what was going on and he stayed out. Oh, no. Yeah, so six, seven guys behind him. Well, then he pitted. Six, seven guys behind and pitted. Then we come in the second time. So instead of starting 10th, he started

15th or 16th or 17th, whatever it was. And he drove back up to fourth. But, yeah, it was. So it was only his, you know, third, third and fourth race there. He was, it was so fast. Oh, I love when, like, some of my cup buddies will go back and spot a modified race, and they're not familiar with the pitch strategy or anything. You come in, and, like, a lot of races for the modifies are, like, a four-tire race, but you just, you put on rights in a left rear and then or in a right rear. Like, you don't, so they'll come in and be like, we're putting three on.

And the guys, the guy, the cup guy's like, what do you? Three tires. We're pitting for three tires. I'm the hell that's going on here. And now, now you can't do it all at once. Yeah, you can only do two tires and one stop, then you have to come back around, and I still haven't figured out why that is,

because you have the same amount of people doing the same amount of things. Just more. Just more often. Yeah, more of a pain in the neck. Do you got any good questions for either one of us? Cut Freddy a break. Yeah, I'm actually pretty good with you not asking any questions. I don't have anything.

Is there one that you're like, thank God he's not asking? No. No, like just what the fuck? I mean, what the fuck? were you thinking? Was it a bit of one I thought? No, no, no, no.

There was really, I don't think there was any real good story lines this week. I mean, like, a lot of things

could have happened, right? Jimmy Johnson or Martin Truex couldn't have, might have not made the race, and that would have

put heavy pressure on NASCAR about making that provisional rule for Heliot. Surprise that's not a spot on, spot off. Yeah,

well, we talked about it. Last week Blaney going into it. But like, where did you sit out with it? I know you probably

had to answer this question and kind of off on that. Yeah. But I sat there and thought about it when I came up with radio and Homeboy was taking his time in the three versus the duel. He was hauling ass and ate shit.

And I sat there and I thought about it more. And I felt bad for him. I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I'm sure he's a great guy. But I'm pretty sure he probably left that whole weekend feeling like a complete clown. Well, and I feel like he, like, it was the total opposite of what it was designed to do. Like, instead of embracing this world-class driver and giving him

a spot, like, just whether or not you agree with it, everybody just was like, this guy sucks. I'm like, he's still Haley-O-Castronepis. He does not suck. Right. And that's, and I think about if rolls were reversed, I'm not just jumping in the car at ND 500. Yeah. I get a whole month

of testing, another month of testing, and then another month on top of that. Rookie tests. Yeah, all this stuff. And NASCAR's like, nah, come on in. Run Archer. Yeah. You're going to learn a lot now. You're going to learn a lot. It's like, what are we doing?

And I thought he did pretty good in the Arker race. Like, you got run over a couple times, but he was in position there at the end and didn't make any, like, stupid blocks or nothing. At the end of... He's the one that got wrecked into 500. He didn't wrecked. Yeah, no.

He didn't cause the wrecked. He was, right, and he was riding between 18th and 25th when all that happened. I think... I think by then he was like, okay, I got the hang of it. I feel pretty comfortable doing it. I just can't imagine that, like, If he goes back to whoever, IndyCar buddies, and they're like, how was it?

He's going to be like, it was miserable. Like, all I had to do all week was answer questions. I don't think so. I think he's going to say it was the most incredible thing. It's the craziest. I give so much respect to these guys, what they do weekend. But sure, the media circus of it. I think he's going to go, holy shit, this is hard.

What these guys do is hard. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, he's not used to running that close. Yeah. Right? They run that close. He's getting, you know, I'm getting out, you know. So to run that close and do the things and learn the things.

I think he's going to take it back. You know, again, no offense to him because he didn't earn being there, but he's earned the recognition and accolades of everything that he's done, right? I'm not talking because I don't like him. Yes. He's not a great race car driver. I'm talking about the system. Yeah.

Right? If Martin or Jimmy did not make the race, that would have been bad. Yeah. Right? And then I think with Corey making it, with everything he does with the TV, and the NASCAR stuff he does making it. And of course, almost felt a little rig.

Of course, the junior, well, the Hendrick team, 40 team, you know, making that race. He'll never call it Junior Motorsports. It was a Junior Motorsports company for your knowledge. Hendrick team making the race. Was it a car bill here? Yeah, right. We took photos of it in the cul-de-sack.

Yeah, yeah, when it got unloaded from the Hendry trailer. It was here. At one point. You're not going to let that go. No, it's just, again, that's another... It's just another layer of everything in the sport. Yeah. But the system is broken for sure.

I'm sure it will be revamped. They got what they want. A lot of people talking, right? Oh, yeah. So, I mean, they're not dumb. Yeah. Right? Whether it's negative or positive, they're not dumb.

They're not dumb. They're sitting back and going... But they're going to be pissed about the negative. Yeah. If it comes with the inside. So be careful what you say. Yep. It's time for Reaction Theater, where fans can call

and voice their opinions from this weekend's race and it's time to hear from him. Did Blaney call in this week? I guess we're going to say. He was supposed to, yeah. He said after last week, he's like, I'm calling it every week. He's like, I'm going to disguise my voice.

I was like, you're never going to call him. He always says he's going to chew out Syndrick after he wrecked him after 2020s 300. He was like, man, good job. Well, God damn. I guess I owe you guys a lot of respect. I always thought you motherfuckers stood up there and didn't do shit. But according to Chris, right, you guys must tell them

when to pit, when to slow. down, when to turn left, when to turn right, when to shift, when to do fucking everything, apparently. When I, for one, this was the wildest thing I think I've ever seen. I remember Corey doing this similar. Like, I remember he, like, got on the brakes and got on the splitter and slid, and it was, I think it was a cup race. This is five, six years ago.

But this guy, I remember that. I did, like, at least at that point, I think Corey was trying to slow down and just got on the splitter and couldn't slow down. When I saw these guys come off of four, because I was, we were in a single car pack and I was kind of hoping for a yellow. and I saw them come up a four and my man started just he was hauling ass and I was like oh my God so did he have a break failure no so according to some people on the roof like he blamed it on the spotter which I don't know I mean I know I gave you Smithley Kansas type deal I know I gave you

a mark to use but I don't think his bottom missed a mark by 600 feet or whatever it was the the rumor I heard was he wasn't supposed to be pitting he wasn't even coming to pit like they weren't calling him to Pitt Road, but the entire field in front of him turned down the hill. And I don't know if he just got lost and started following these guys and was like,

oh shit, they're slowing down and I'm not. And he, it was, did you see the replay of it? I mean, I don't know. It was.

You didn't see the replay? No, I'm just shaking my head. I don't know. It was incredible. Yeah. I've never seen anything like it. And I think he just,

I think he just royally fucked up and didn't realize spotters are the easiest to blend They're so far away You guys can't defend yourselves Exactly Up there For me

The one thing I will say Is whatever they built a 91 car out of Was I don't know Like Steel apparently It was It was He hit that car so hard

He's flying through the air Sput around And the NASCAR came on the radio And they're like We got to put A transponder back on the 91 I'm like a fucking transponder You can eat a rear clip

On the 91 probably And sure enough He just went driving by Like nothing happened He just went underneath Yeah He must have just went underneath them and jacked the bump. He blew the quarter panel off a true exas car.

Here he comes. Pow! Like, how's that 91 car, not just wrecked? God, dude. He don't lock up until it's pretty late when he locks up. I think he was trying to get to the line good. He was P1 entry. I'll tell you what.

I'm a proud chase sexual, and I'm sick and tired of Ricky Spencer. House and Joey LaGano going for the smallest fucking pecker award on who can wreck everybody and Chase getting caught up in the mix. Shout out Ryan Priest.

Shout out Ryan Priest. What was his first thing? He's a Chase sexual. Well, they call in the Chase fans call themselves Chase Sexuals on here. Jesus. Uh, yeah, that was interesting. I mean, you talk about putting two guys in the spot where nobody's going to give an inch.

It's Ricky and Joey. And we were behind the 22 and in front of the 47 at one point in the race and I was like, oh shit, here we go. Well, I tell you what, I feel bad for Joey LaGaille's old lady. Oh, no. That boy's going to shove it in there whether there's a hole or not. Ouch.

Ouch. Ew. Next call. No comment on next. Moving on. Next. Hard to believe another super speedway race in the same two needle dicks getting to a pissing contest and taking out the whole field of 50s.

team laps ago. If I were Kyle Bush, I would go pull out every one of Joe Lidano's hair plugs and put Ricky St. House in the world's biggest headlock. Wow. Wow. We've got some angry folks. At least if he's a needle dick, it's probably not going to hurt if he's shoving it. All right. Go ahead.

Next talk. How about that? 23. Man, I've been waiting so long to see Bubba get a dual win. And, ah, it's just, it's one of them things. It's so good. I'm loving it Thanks, pal

I appreciate that That was a good night Yeah That was a We blew our load In Sunday That was a good start Freddy did

You did Yeah you were fine You were just listening Yeah that's right First time ever Next time don't listen Yeah Well there you have it

With Ricky Stenhouse That guy couldn't drive a finger up his butt With somebody holding his wrist Wait wait Couldn't drive a finger up his own but with somebody hold. I don't think I can do that. Holding his wrist.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think. I don't have to, the physics of that is not making it. I'm not going to find out. On next week's episode of TV, demonstrations. Stenhouse, are you available on Monday? We got to do this.

We need to work on this. I think I'm sick next week. You will be. William Byron, back to back, Daytona, 500 winner. You know it, baby. My wife's on her period, so I'm going to go get me a foot job. When do you guys come up with this stuff?

What are you? I mean, are these the best ones you can find? Dale is going to be pissed at this episode. I told Mama last night, I said, at the end of that, we made, I made like three wrong calls. But at the end of the day, the guy that I chose to cover won the fucking race. When you said that, I was like, I went to bed. I was like, fuck.

He's right. True. Yeah. Cover the 24. Look who won the race. At the end of the day, I mean, though, you wouldn't have known after that fact what would happen. No, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Even, like, what I think is the bigger call, the biggest mistake I made last night, I think was not covering a Penske cars. And they both got wiped out. So I think that it's all circumstantial. It's all circumstantial. That's like I put in my debrief. Like, we got fixated on 24, but this comes down the down to the what could have been if we didn't. Like, we could have been called up in another rack. We should have took the higher percentage move and hoped for the best.

Yeah. But what's crazy is I went back Because I was like oh the 24 one Oh damn Tyler finished second They were like 12th and 13th in line Yeah Man am I glad that I've got a big ass TV So I can watch this whole fucking race on side by side

Commercial thing is getting ridiculous I so I saw a stat And you guys don't have to tell me Because obviously I wasn't watching on TV But they said like there was only 18 minutes of Full screen commercials last night Versus 46 minutes last year. So I mean, that's a, and like, does it really matter if you, like, are you watching a commercial

side by side for what is going to be a minute and a half, two minutes? You know, is that really going to ruin your racing, watching, viewing experience? Because, I mean, I'd much rather that than go to a full-screen commercial every, you know, 20 laps or whatever it is. So are they complaining about side by side? He said, I bought this big TV to watch after it. Oh, I see, I see. But like, like, like, so he wants to bring commercials. I don't know. Like, I just know. He just doesn't want commercials. He just wants to. He's just complaining. He just, this is like a perfect example of you're never going to make everybody happy. Like they go to more side-by-side commercials where you're not missing anything and people still bitch about it.

I think Carson has a quote for people like that. Is this, he's just a whiny little bitch? A whiny little bitch. He is a whiny bitch. Were you in a little bit of panic when a waning little bitch was looking pretty good at some way? Not one bit. I was back there in P38 with Woblers from SVG and I was pulling hard for fucking Corey. I'm like, yes.

Please get it done. This is where you guys have me misunderstood. I would have been happy for him. I just think he's a whiny bitch, but I separate that from everything else. He's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. He's just whiny. Even during the race, she said it on our group text. No, I did not.

That was Alex. No, somebody said it, and I said, well, at least he has a plane ride home. And that was true. And that was true. You know I almost said that at the beginning? Because you were like, I had two plane rides, and then I had a motorhome. I can't say that. Poor you.

For you. Yeah, for you. Nothing. If the shoe fits. Lace that bitch up and wear it. Look, I am who I am. I don't care. You don't have a choice. Love that.

True. Don't leave me hanging. To leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number at 704-802-9572, and we'll play the best ones each week on the show, so make them good. All right, it's time for AskDBC, and you can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC, and we will answer the best ones. Carol from Tulsa wants to know. With NASCAR introducing the Xfinity fastest lap,

how much of an impact will that have on race strategy and overall points? Not much. I think they should, sorry. I think they should get away with it at Speedways. Get rid of it. Yeah, because I've seen McDowell was the fastest lap, and who knows when it was. I'm sure it was just a big BR last.

It was fast. I'm sure you just go back there and... Yeah, he rode in the back, like, most of the time to protect his car. Yeah. But I mean, I mean, you don't see anybody. Obviously, you see Formula One guys come down pit road and put tires on and try to go chase the fastest lap. Like, I don't think it's going to get to that level, you know.

I think the leader of every other racetrack is going to get it, right? In the beginning of the race, right? You know. There was a stat last year, which we don't remember. But I had it three times. I didn't win the race. Yeah. And we didn't.

But not that. Not last year or the year before that. And this mattered last year, too. It just wasn't a point, you know. But it factored into your, you know, your qualifying metric of, You know, wherever you were. Yeah. So, I mean, it's still madden up, but I don't think we ever really thought about it.

You don't really talk about it or change your strategy based on it all. Yeah. All right. It's time for our shit show Hall of Fame, which is where we nominate someone each week and the fans will go vote on who gets inducted each week. Who are you going to? I mean, every time I thought that it was locked up, somebody did, like, I was like, there's no way anybody's going to beat at Chandler.

Like, Chandler on Thursday night, like, just cutting something, you know, just chopping the hell out of whoever was Haley, I think, and wrecking however many cars it was. I was like, well, that's, nobody's going to top that. And then there was an Arker race. And then there was Chris Wright. For me, I got to give it to the dude that wrecked Helio after the checker that just had no idea what the hell was going on. I can't remember his name.

Moyer or something. AJ Moyer. Just drives through the back of Helio after the checker, hooks him in the fence. Then he's like following Butterbean around the racetrack as Butterbean is trying to do his burnouts. Like this guy was just lost Which is a massive Massive, that's my nominee as well

Is a massive massive Safety Hazard. Like, what is ARCA doing? Like, holy shit. Just in general, like another one I had on there was, I think his name was Denison, Benison and something like that. The guy that spun out early. He just loses it off a four, wipes out half the field.

They go to do an interview with him and it's the dumbest interview I've ever seen in my life where he's just like, yeah, I don't know. It was a little car got a light and then it just hooked to the right It was like it's kind of fun It was all I'm like You just wiped out

So many fucking car Yeah yeah I was like like just I don't know if they've got to either I think they got to do one of two things Stop going to Super Speedways Or really tighten up on their approval process Because I mean

Not that these guys did anything wrong But you got fucking YouTube guys out there You got people out there That are just really trying to be a You know they're not really worried about the racing aspect They're just trying to raise money and it's just, and maybe more of a social media star. I just, I don't, you can't just be out there racing at Daytona with these cars.

Like, and you still had in that first wreck, the 03, the orange car, whatever, still did the old Arka Break thing. Yeah. They're wrecking and comes in and, and it's like, what are you do in real life when there's like a pile-up and funny? Just hit nail it. Don't get on 77. See if you can get rid of it.

It's so bad that that, it's not even like the stigma, but it's just happened. happens every year. There's something that's so catastrophic. And it's like, that would never happen on the cup side. Right. No. Unless. Shut up.

True. Almost had that. Almost had. I'm nominating Chris Wright. 100%. No breaks. How could you not? Tommy, what was the dumbest thing you saw this week? The whole archer race. The whole archer race? Are you just nominating archa?

The worst part about it was on Big Fox. So, like, if anybody's tuning into that, that's like, that's a representation of what we're doing. Like it was, that's what I'm saying. That's what Deney had tweeted, yeah. Really? Like, it's just, you can't, like, that's what I'm saying about the approval process. Like, you just can't have these people out there.

It's a joke. That don't, like, they go, all they do is go to the test. They go to the test, run around a couple laps, and they're approved. And it's like, okay, well, what are they going to do in a pack? And you saw the cars were a handful, you know, and you saw people just, they just lost it. They were just spent out and collect, you know, multiple cars. And now you've got people piling in late. It's just.

Yeah. I wanted to comment. comment on the Arker race. I wanted to send out a tweet, but man, there's history. Because I was in an Arker wreck. And one Arker race at Daytona to get approved for the truck race.

And we wrecked lap 20. It wasn't my fault, but I piled in there. You know, Archer braked it. I don't think I did. You didn't Archer break. We just got bounced around a little bit. We were like stacked up. Somebody stacked up.

But someone was going to say, well, what about this? So I was just like, you know what? Whatever. But that was damn right, downright. It was awesome. awful. Awesome. Awesome. It was awesome. It was kind of fun.

Run it back. It was kind of fun. It was awesome. That was great. A little fun. Remember to vote on our Shitshow Hall of Fame Twitter poll who you want to see be inducted into the Shit Show Hall of Fame this week. We should get that person on the show. Whoever wins that thing. They get to come on? No, because then we'll have people trying to do dumb shit. Then we might end up promoting it.

Cleanness will be out there. Podcast isn't that good. Cleetus will be out there trying to do backflips. I'm going to hit a jump. He said he's coming to Daytona. That interview was awesome. Cleanness in the booth was fantastic. So we'd do some DBC picks.

Picks. Who on, Carson? Did I? I did. Woo. How about that? It was beginners' luck. We have a new twist this year, though.

So since we have a rotating guest, Bubba, you get to pick as well. McDowell finished 11th. We all finished. Good pick, Blaney. 39th, your guy finished. That's what I would have with Truex at a road at a plate race. What? Never.

So I'm up. Yep, you would go first. Atlanta, I'll go, I'll go 12 car. 12 car. Blaney. I'll go Blaney. I'll go last year's winter. Suarez.

Ooh. Shoot, I don't know. Tommy goes, you go ahead. I'm going to do LaJoy. He's running again? Yep. Cool. Yeah, I think.

He ran a guy. good. Tommy's got him on a kill this week, trying to win DBC picks. Yeah, I'm going to talk to him. Man, you're stacked the pennies now. That's going to be cheated up. That crew cheese getting kicked out this week. I'm going to take C-bell.

Seabell? Yeah. Oh, he was good there. Yeah. All right. Well, fuck all of y'all for not picking me. Have a great show. I'm out.

You only get to do it once a year, so I got to save you. We're saving you. We're saving you for Kansas. Yeah. I love you all down for the last two years. I always picky at Martinsville, and it usually works out. Let's talk about Martinsville? What?

You want to talk about Martin'sville? Yeah, I might talk about anything. I had a flat tire. I don't know what. But the... He loves to bring that up, isn't me? The... What are you expecting in Atlanta this week now?

It seems like every time we go back, it gets a little more racier. We're going to look like the Arca Cars. Oh, no. Coming off, turn four. Like, it's rough. It's war out. Like, we need practice there. Because somebody's going to be surprised.

And I think that's the bad thing. somebody asked me that like what about the new practice deal that we had for the 500 i think it's great oh i got to i got to talk about that go ahead finish i am so pissed off i got this when when we show up and um and our first laps on track are qualifying and somebody leaves a nut loose or a wheel falls off whatever it's embarrassing like what are we doing yeah you know we're trying to qualify in for a big moment bigger race and we got shit hanging off left and right and so i think think whether it's just 20 minutes whatever shake it down but Atlanta is aging fast and it's rough as shit and like yeah you go hold it wide open and qualifying but now it's becoming who's

who's man enough to do that because it's one of those tracks which is totally fine but I think it's going to catch a lot of people off guard one of these days I remember I think it was it was either bell or tie busted his ass like just running the like coming to green it's like running the top coming to green oh it's both of them was it both I think so but yeah that was I don't let Tommy again I'll give you I'll give you the floor for for your epic rand. Because I got the rant through text. But go ahead.

About practice? All 45 of them up there, idiots. All the 45 spoters. We had clean runs. Fine. The most important practice, because it's the only practice you get, you know, you want to be able to run by yourself to see what kind of speed you got. Some probably four or five other guys had different thought processes.

But nobody up there remembered on how to send cars and get clean laps. And every time I... Can you tell Tommy's cars? Didn't get clean laps? Every time I looked up, there's three, four cars. is, you know, the rule is you've got to be probably seven, eight seconds behind, right? And I bet

you there wasn't one time. And I'm like, then I'm thinking, I'm like, these guys, these spotters, three quarters of them haven't even up there back then when we were doing single-car run. We actually got a pretty clean laugh. Yeah, hey bud. False hope though, God damn, we saw that like two seconds. So all I heard

in the garage area after practice was, I have no idea what I'm going to run. I never got a clean lap. No shit. I mean, because there's no, the spotters are up there. Yeah, go out clear. You morons. Who was spotting for you?

Chris, they both actually went on the second time. We both got clean laps. We kind of had an idea what we were going to do. They did fine. Everybody else. You ask him to drop names and he's like,

oh, they were fine. They were all right. The guy that ended up from Orlando on our golf trip to Miami and three hours on Saturday night. He did fine. On the train. Yeah.

Did an Uber to Miami and train back and still made golf the next day. He did fine. We can't say his name. They went on a golf trip to Orlando, and one of them ended up in Miami. 46 of us go. He got a little loss with my oldest son. All of a sudden, they all thought it was a good idea to go back to his place in Miami.

From Orlando. From Orlando. Two in the morning. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he got there, and he woke up and go, whoa, where am I? No. Put him on a train.

Took the train back to Orlando. He would have thought. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He made it for the first. back nine. That's why they get a clean lap. He got a clean lap.

He was all happy. Straight shot for him. All right. Well, we will see everybody in Atlanta. Tommy, what's your preparation like for Atlanta this week? I mean, now you're going to cheat the old one-up. Yeah, yeah. We're in good shape.

We do all normal things this week. It's back to, you know, doing our normal what we do each day here. You know, obviously it's a repetitive deal now from here on out. and yeah, we'll be ready. Baldwin boys racing at all coming out. Luke's testing today and tomorrow, and in two weeks we start the smart tour at Florence.

That's what Jack? Yeah, both Luke and Jack, yeah. Car store? Sorry, which one's the youngest? Luke. I think he was at the winter heat, the other. Yeah, yeah, him and Jack, they both race. I think so, yeah, because I was like, I had to leave,

and I was like, one of y'all can drive my car, and I forgot which one was like, are you serious? I was like, I know your dad, so yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He was like, wait, are you being for real? I was like, sure. That was definitely Luke.

Luke is trying so hard to run the late model race on, I think this weekend at Cordell. And he's got a ride. He's found tire money. I'm like, what about the crash clothes? Yeah. He's like, what about it? I'm like, dude, you want to run all these races or just that race? If something wrecks, we're done, right?

He's like, I think I'm going to take my chances. The hell you are. Oh, boy. Cars tour, when we get rolling with the cars tour? We get rolling on March 1st. New River All-American Speedway in Jacksonville, North Carolina. What a great racetrack. I'm excited.

And we're taking the pros with us for the first time to. Another track in Jacksonville? It's named three different names since it's the same track. It has been in the same place. It was a good year All-American, and now it's New River All-American, but way before that, it was something else. But what a great, great race track. Is it flat? Yeah.

It's somewhat flat. I may have run there. Yeah, it's rough-ish. It's great. Yeah. We're taking the pros with us for the first time, too, so I'm excited. Should we go? Both places there.

It's the Smart Tour runs a weekend there. They do both, right? The beach weekend? And last year, All-American got rained out. We ran both races the same day. It was awesome. That's so cool. I want to do something like that with cars.

It was great. I hope more fans get to understand. That's a fun weekend. I've never been to Carteret either. So if they do that again, I'm coming with y'all. Carteret's a cool place. Flat and grip and good. Sounds good.

Well, it was good to see all the DBC fans out in Daytona this week. I might have ran into a couple hundred of them at the pub every night. But it was good to see everybody. You like an oyster pub? Yeah, once in a while. Same thing, no bartenders. So I was right. Yeah. I saw one guy that I recognized. That was it. I don't know what the hell. It's all new owners. One of them was really nice to me. Got me a table when I probably didn't need one. But yeah, it was good. It was a good weekend. Fun on there. Meg came down. It's Meg's birthday. You guys celebrate. So, yeah, I thought she was going to get stuck. I thought we went to dinner with Large and, his wife and his daughter on Valentine's Day. I was an experience, if you know, large, from Barstall.

He's quite the character. But yeah, so that was fun. But what did you, like, does Amanda expect anything from Valentine's Day now? Like, it's right in the middle of... No, we always go to this place called 63 Sovereign. And thanks to Chip while, he always gets at the table there. And so we had to move it to Friday night. No, wait.

No, it was Friday. Saturday night. Because our team loves meetings. and we were supposed to have a meeting after practice on Friday night, where they were like, nah, we'll just do it beforehand. And so I'm like, so we had a little late-day V-day dinner. That's good. Mine's this Wednesday.

You're been to Valentine's this Wednesday? Yeah, I looked at her Thursday, I think, or Wednesday, I said, look, you know, I think she saw it in my eyes. I was wore out because Daytona and the day and the night and shoot to the new Cimmerna. And I'm like, look, can I get a pass to at least next week, next Wednesday? It'll be full-blown. I said, if I get your roses, you're just going to sit in the context. doing rot anyway.

Can I just get a pass, please? She said, okay. It's so romantic. I don't know if you guys saw. Dirty Moe is launching a new e-commerce merch store. They have, I mean, tons of apparel, cool stuff on there for each and every show has their own apparel, really. So I thought that's cool.

They asked me what I want. I actually want a tear-down shirt more than I want a DBC shirt because sometimes you get some haters in the crowd every once in a while. But, yeah, so DBC merch is out. It looks awesome. I saw the tear-down stuff. They got a cool lemonade stand shirt, poor Jordan. got soaked on whatever day that was.

He's out there selling lemonade and took a bath. But just really tons of cool stuff on there. Hats, shirts, plenty of other stuff to check out. So stop by ShopDirtyMomedia.com to check out at all. All right. Well, that's it for this week. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bubba, thanks for swinging by.

I know it was the first thing you really wanted to do this morning after last night. Well, I love how. You didn't bring me a Diet Coke, by the way, like I requested. Yeah, he did. He probably stayed off social media. Must I never saw my. If I had to guess he was not on social media. So a week ago, hey, can you come on DBC Monday after Daytona?

Yeah, sure. And his reply back, well, I'll check if the, because it was like an hour or so later. And what did you say? I said, just let Kyle know. The way I found out was confirmed was on the plane ride back. Well, Bubba Wallace and Butterbean will be our guest today. I was like, fuck, I guess I'm doing it. That's why you did it.

That's why I tweeted that because I'm like, he ain't backing out now. But thanks for coming by again. I appreciate it. And we'll talk to you guys next week. We out. See you. Check out, Check out, Dirtymo Media.

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