Door Bumper Clear - 358 - Atlanta & Noah Gragson: Is Dirty Driving The New Way?

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Noah Gragson joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge on Door Bumper Clear this week. The crew breaks down all the action from this weekend’s race in Atlanta including NASCAR’s decision to throw the caution on the final lap, multiple drivers feeling frustrated with Carson Hocevar’s aggression on-track, and Austin Hill’s dominance on drafting tracks in the Xfinity Series. Timestamps:0:40 – Noah Gragson Joins The Conversation26:41 – Spot On Spot Off59:47 – Reaction Theatre1:11:01 – #AskDBC1:18:42 – DBC Picks Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Door Bumper Clear merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff. FanDuel Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Should we just go back to being assholes? Yeah, that's what we are, right? Let's continue being an asshole. I am probably closer to Tommy than anybody else in this sport. What the fuck are you talking about? I think the two of you definitely have being assholes covered. Who can really be a bitch when they want to be a bitch?

That was the first person to come to mind. I try to stay calm. Here's what pisses me off about that. What is that supposed to be? Exactly what I said. Who are you? Who are you? Well, fuck it.

I guess we'll just go back to being ourselves. Yeah, we'll buckle up because you might get you feeling. Yo, what's up, everybody? Welcome to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubba Wallace. Hello, Thomas. Tommy Baldwin. Competition director, Rick Ware Racing.

That was it for the week. Didn't have to do anything else. No crew chief or anything else. But, yeah. Carsonelage, a little bit of everything at the cars tour still as of last week. And we have a special guest today. I'm excited about this one. We got Noah Gregson.

with us, Noah? Janitor, FRM. Okay. Janitor and FRM. How you been? Noah's been a couple years since you came and joined us. Last time I think we had a bit of a shit show

last time you were on. So let's try to, not you, us. We did that ourselves. But how you been? I'm good. I definitely haven't been winning as much as last time I saw you on the show.

So I thought about it last night. I was like, I saw you getting towed off. And I was like, man, he's going to be in a bad movie tomorrow now. But you actually not. You actually showed up. You're chipper. I don't know what.

the hell you're drinking. It looks It looks like pee. Yeah, it does look at a little. Yeah, it's a lime sugar-free energy from clutch coffee. So, some changes for you this year. Obviously, went from Stuart Haas over to front row. How's that been?

It's been good, just pretty seamless transition for me. I brought my crew chief, Drew, and interior guy and a couple other guys from the Stewart-Hoss number 10 team. So they had all my. measurements is pretty seamless for me. They had, you know, getting the charter stuff and the haulers over and all the equipment took a little bit longer than we would expect it. But once we got to Daytona, we were in a much better place than what we thought we were a month before.

Speaking of seamless transitions and people you brought with you from Stuart Haas, there's somebody that I think fits you like a glove. That's Rusty Rush. Yeah. Like, can you just tell it? A lot of people don't know, Rusty. Can you just figure out a way to describe Rusty in a few words? Rusty is one of the most interesting people I've ever met in my entire life. He's such a smart guy. He doesn't save any phone numbers in his phone. He memorizes every phone number and he can tell your phone number after looking at it once. He's really, really calculated with numbers and he obviously leads more than 8,000 people with Rush Truck Center. So he's built up.

up a huge business and he's an unbelievable leader. He's crazy. I was waiting for you. He's a kid all day long. He always has, when he lands, he sent me the picture of him with a Calvary cowboy hat on, and he calls it his Calvary hat. And then he's got, he's shirtless, he's ripped, he's like 65, standing on his PJ with his arms cross and said, hey, bitch, I'm coming up, okay, telling him.

come see if I landed 1230. You know Rusty, that's how he talks. So, Rusty, I met Rusty with Clint, I don't know, about how many years ago. Rusty travels with a case, not a bottle, a case of her adored there at tequila, at tequila, tequila. And when he opens the bottle, he takes the cap and throws it about as far as he could because you're never putting the cap back on the box. Well, that's after he's done with the bottle because the reason why he likes horridora tequila is because the cap is a shock. It's a shock glass. So he doesn't need to bring shot glasses around with him.

So he drinks so much tequila that we were down in Daytona and went to dinner with him. And he's like, all right, let's pull over and wait until we got about 30 minutes until we got to go to dinner. Our reservation will, oh, this one's a sweet one right here. He can tell, man, this is a sweet batch. Different batch. Yeah, like, I'm like, it all tastes the same to me, but I'm all that sugar. He's not tasting. Oh, he is, does he still bring his blow dart?

Oh, yeah, blow dart gone. So I went and visited him. It was myself, Chase Briscoe and Tony Stewart, we went out and visited his ranch, and he's got over 11,000 acres in Texas, and I can't tell too much. But this guy is insane. But he was driving around. I pulled out the blowdark gun. I was sitting in the passenger seat

and we're moving and I shot this jackrabbit with it and then we get out. Rusty's like, where is that thing? And it ran over to the other side of the... He's got escalades and he drives them around like their... Like farm trucks? Yeah. Polaris razors like around the property, you know, like a side by side.

And the whole left side of this thing's beat up because he'll park it in front of this gate and go, I can't say too much on you. We were at Oyster Pub one night and just he's there, we're all hanging out and he's like, hey, let's go outside. We just go out to the street. He opens the back of his escalate and he pulls out this blowdark gun.

He's like, let's shoot this pole over here. And you know, like, around the oyster pub is just, there's just cops everywhere. And the cop just walks up and he's standing there. He's like, the fuck are you guys doing? He's like, it's okay. I think we got to put this away at this point. I'll try and find the pictures for

from the trip. The trip was unbelievable. So we landed right there on his property. He's got a landing strip for the runway for the plane. We land right there. He picks us up in this basically F450 Ford pickup truck with a pontoon boat essentially on the top that he drives from up top. It's I got to find this picture. It's unbelievable.

When I tell you, Megan called me one day and she's like, oh, we're over here and we're with Clint. and we met one of his sponsors and I'm like, oh, which sponsor? She's like, oh, some guy named Rusty.

And I'm like, oh, no. That's me with the blowdard gun and your, Jack Rabbit. And so he doesn't, he calls the windshield wipers

rabbit holder. So I put the rabbits on there. I've never seen a more fitting sponsor driver combination. So this is when we landed. Here he is coming down the.

top of this truck He is He is the best He got Rusty Coming down He drives it from up top Yeah he drives it from up to I mean it's unbelievable

And just good time bonding out there So I killed my first buck Which was super cool And he was doubting me And then I started like Asking him Questions about the hunting and everything.

He's like, man, I thought you were a dumbass this whole time. Well, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. Looking like a goofy bugger that I'm walking up here. And then turns out you're a lot smarter than you look, boy. That's exactly your image. Exactly.

He's the best. So front row, obviously, I got a bunch of buddies over there. Drew's, I've worked with Drew before in the past. He hates you. I know. You can't stand me. Oh, those guys hate you. Everybody.

That's good. I hope they do. It's fine. I'm kidding. But so like this year going into this year, obviously new deal, new team. Like what's a successful season look like for you this year, you think? Well, we're not off to a very good start right now. They led labs at Daytona and I felt like we put ourselves in a decent position to have an opportunity to duke it out for the win.

And then Recky made a bad block on Lugano and we all wrecked. So that sucked and didn't get any sense. stage points there, which was a bummer. So I think I have 13 points. I think I'm... You got more than Briscoe. Yeah, but... I mean, I wrecked yesterday.

Which one stage point? Was that the chase? That was the Suarez. So he was coming back up the racetrack and clipped me in the left rear through the travel. So that was a bummer. And then I was like kind of bummed out after the race. Like, damn, you're just at such a deficit when you start going to these real race, I don't want to say real racetracks, but your Phoenixes and Vegas is

were qualifying so important, the metric system on where you're at in points, your fastest lap from the week before, and then your finish. With that metric system going out later in qualifying, we've seen, you don't want to be the first handful of cars, right? So you just put yourself at a big detriment going into those weekends than if you start the season out on the right foot. So I think what would be a successful year is, I mean, we obviously have goals and that's, and we prepare to try and win every race throughout the week.

But sometimes you just don't have what it, the car, things aren't going as good. So just managing the opportunity that we have and minimizing the mistakes and maximizing the opportunity that we have is really the goals I have. And we're 0 for two right now to start the year out of two. Yeah, so it's not going great, but I feel really confident and comfortable with the team that we got right now. We had a few guys, like I mentioned earlier, come over from Stuart Haas, and then we were able to get some new guys in the shop and on the team from going over to the four car. So we got a lot of energy.

Our car chief, Joey, he's awesome. He came from Legacy. He was up on Eric Jones' car last year, and I worked with him. I was on the 42, but he was on Eric's car. So I knew him a little bit, and we just got a really, really good team that all believes in each other. And this is the first time that I really feel

since I was here at Junior Motorsports that we have a team that will go to war with each other and truly, truly has each other's back and has a lot of energy and confidence when we show up. Before we get into this week, I have to give a shout out to the Gregson Fan Club, my buddies, DeRosa, Padradi. How are those clowns doing?

I have not gotten to see them yet this year. They love you. They love you. So everybody thinks they're my uncles. I think Dave introduced me as is. Yeah, they call themselves as my uncles. But no, they were fraternity brothers and my dad back in college up at UNR. So they're good dudes and they like to tear it up and party.

They are something. You guys have had, I haven't been there for most of the fun. Usually it's the night before the race, a Saturday night. And you guys are all tearing it up. whether it's in Pensacola or Talada, wherever it is. But they absolutely love it. And we got a really fun group that comes to the racetrack. Yeah, the two of them are, it's something when you get around those guys.

Seems like you attract a lot of those people. It happens. So Padrotti is a captain of, this might be a touchy subject right now, but he's a captain for Delta Airlines. But he's actually very, very good at his job. He hasn't landed one on his lid minutes. Anyhow. Thomas, how was your race yesterday, should I ask?

Well, we got involved in the same wreck with the 51 as Noah did. Man, that thing hit hard. That's... Cody? Yeah, Cody hit real. I mean, that I looked at the front clip. That was probably the most crushed front clip I've ever seen. He's going to be a little sore today for sure.

I'm going to check on him here in a little bit. But, yeah, I mean, Corey was doing well. He was running in the top 20 when he got wrecked there. I think he had a good car. But you know the deal, though. I mean, it was crazy. The dirty air was just absolutely insane yesterday. I mean, you could try to do something.

Then the air would just stop you. I have to lift on exit. I mean, look at Ross. He ran in the mid-pack all day and couldn't ever get forward. Then he got track position. I think it midway through the third stage, and he stayed up there for the rest of the rest of the car. of the race for the most part.

You had to fight your ass off all day to stay up there in order to stay up there. We were up front for most of it. The first two stages, we got stage points. We were fourth and second to two stages. But to get stage points in the second one, we had to stay out when a lot of guys flipped it. And then once we got back into like, I don't even know we're restarted

20th or 20 seconds, something like that. We were a different car. Like it's just like two numbers tighter. Yeah. Just just in traffic. Like six. Yeah. But it's just, you know, it was crazy. And I heard a lot of guys talk about it. You know, like my car's driving fine, but Lugano talked about once he got shuffled backed. It's like, you have to have your car set up because you want to be good when you're

leading. But if you're not leading, you're just going to be dump truck tight for the rest of the day. Yeah, I mean, I think it contributes to the track getting more war out because it's not as much grip. And obviously, the cars are losing grip when there's dirty air. So, yeah, it was, it was interesting to see the difference between the last race there to yesterday, the difference of the handle in the cars. There wasn't as many comers and goers, you know. But, yeah, I thought you started up front. You had a good quality. Yeah, we started 10th and threw out the anchor right away.

I was super tight to start the race. And what's weird about that place is I was like super good on the bottom through one and two. And if I could hook the line on exit, almost like old Atlanta, how you'd hook the line with your left sides, I could stay on the line all the way on exit, full throttle, so much more throttle time. When I get to the second or third lane off of two, extremely tight and I feel like it loses bank I just don't feel as compressed in the racetrack when I go to the second and third lane which is really weird like it's almost like the bottom lane has more banking and then as you move up the racetrack it has less for whatever reason but you have to be in that outside line too down the straightaway to keep the draft you know so it's definitely a chess match out there yeah it was uh it was an interesting weekend at the racetrack

I'm sure we'll get into some of the Xfinity stuff later on but so how was you I mean you just kind of got stuck midpack and then just got collected in somebody else's mess basically Yeah we we finished 10th in the second stage and then pitted

when all those guys flipped it to start the third stage and we were midpack and then I think a couple restarts later is when Suarez's Rick was and just got collected and how did your spotter New spotter, new guy on the roof. Nick Del Campo, he's doing a great job.

You know, there's little things that we're working on each and every week when situations arise. And it's like, oh, I did a really good job here, maybe try this differently. But he is definitely impressed us coming into the year with a new spotter, never spotting in NASCAR much, at least for, you know, a contending car throughout the whole race. he's doing a phenomenal job in my opinion. He stood next to me at Bowman Gray, and luckily your heat race wasn't eventful at all. I was like, this kid, this poor kid hasn't stopped talking yet.

Yeah, he's new guy. Brandon, you probably never even seen him before. He's been really good on the driver prep side and putting together like clips and film and all the data for pre-race stuff and looking at that and talking together. So he's really valuable in that department as well as, he's pretty good spotter.

He hasn't put us in any bad positions. I feel with you and your team, Drew is really good at calling races, right? And the focus of the team, if get to the point that it's time for him to make those good decisions, he's going to put you in a good spot. You know, so it's, uh,

he's always seemed to, at the end of the race, get his cars where they need to be to take, for the drivers to take advantage of the situation, you know, so. He's that, he's one that's, never been afraid to kind of go off script. You know what I mean? There's guys that just are going to just keep doing the same thing everybody else does. And Drew, we had him at Petty with Bubba and I had him at front row, I think, or maybe

it was a year before Petty, but like he's just always been one that just always makes, seems like always makes the right call. It may be a little bit risky at times, but it always seems to work out for him. Yeah, he's pretty realistic, too. I feel like where he doesn't get caught up in all the drama. He's got a good 30,000 foot view on. And hey, this is the risk that we're willing to take, but it's not, you know, a super, super risky move. But he's been really good for me.

I enjoy him. He's almost like a big brother to myself. As long as you have that in your head, that belief is there and you know that he's going to, by the end of the day, have you in good position, you won't need to make any crazy moves or dumb mistakes, right? So that will come in time. The only time was that I hope he watches it. because Drew, are you watching this?

The only time he's made a bad call and wait, hold on. You're flushing the poor guy? Yeah, okay, okay.

So, he's cooked right now. He gave him a response. We're good. He, at Martinsville in the fall last year, he called me to Pit Road,

but it was like half a car length before I needed, like, before I was at the box. So I wasn't going to make it. So I stayed out. And we ended up

getting like, stage points and keeping the track position. We were like, on a much older tire. And so I'm like, he thinks I like purposely stayed out, but I was never going to make it. He won't admit that he knew the call was late. But I ended up staying out and we ended up benefiting from it. So it was good. And his defense, that place is always the fastest to go to pit road open.

And we can't see. Right. When we're not, it's the hardest thing to judge because it's always the quickest to get, you know, Martin's also the shortest track. It's always the fastest. So once that caution comes out, we all know we need to make the decisions right then and there. We can't like think about it for a lap, right? Because pit road's on, boom, you're already on pit road. So, yeah, it's, that place is very deceiving on that part to be able to make a quick decision as a crew chief.

Take me into the crew chief side of it, Tommy. Obviously, you were crew chief for, I don't know, 600. years. Last week. Last week, last week when I got all kicked out. But where is the fine line of, like, you want to be aggressive, you want to make aggressive calls, you want to get you guys in position, but obviously you can go overboard at some point. How do you manage that from the, from the box? Well, obviously you got to understand what you're doing with the air, the clean air, you know, versus the tire where you're at. I mean, that's the whole thought process. And the fuel, right? You have to make sure you, you can't, don't have to stop 20 laps before anybody or have

30, 40 laps more on your tires, you know, at certain places. So, you know, while they're out there running, we're just not watching the race. You know, we're making sure what the next plan is and what we've got to do. And it takes, you know, no one knows this. It takes probably the first stage to really understand who you're going to race the rest of the race, right? And then the position you're probably going to be in. And if you don't make any mistakes or somebody like Drew bells you out and gets you to the next group of cars.

I mean, because it goes in steps, right? You have the top eight, you have eighth through 15th, you have 15th through 24th, and you have the rest of the guys that have just carving. Trying to stay on the lead lap that first run. The hardest thing about cup racing is when you qualify, not in that top group, at most of these tracks, just staying on the lead lap for that first run. If you can stay on the lead lap for the first run, you get a chance to work on it, that's the biggest, that determines how your whole rest of the day is going to go.

It's so challenging to pass, as you know. It's a long day if you're going a lap down early, especially at a place like Martinsville or Bristol, having a bit of a buffer is super key. The problem is you're always starting in the back, right? And in 30 laps, you're getting caught again. But yeah, it's – I always say they should have a separate TV channel from 24th on bat. They would see one hell of a race. I remember when I was spotting for you, that that was – I mean, that was where we lived. Like that was just, we were scratching the clock.

I mean, yesterday from 20th on back, 18th on back, was intense. We were three wide guys were dicing it up all day long. We wrecked with like 60 to go. And I was like, man, the race out front is nothing like how it was mid-pack all day where I was. You know, so it's pretty interesting. HBO, is it HBO Max? The Max, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty.

cool where you can see all the in-car and stuff now. So it's an audio. You can get, yeah. They're burning us on that audio thing, but we spotters are having a rough rough time lately. Yeah, well, I mean, you guys have overpaid and now it's finally... Kiss my ass. How much do you get paid

to be on radioactive? None, nothing to be on radioactive. You don't get any point? Why do you try so hard to get on there? SAP. Spotter, Spoter ambassador points. God, if they did an implicit program for y'all would be screwed. The one thing I Tim's, I saw Tim's going nuts about this. Tim's, you got a microphone in there?

Yeah, I'm here. Tim's was going nuts about this on Twitter last night. Commercials. What was up commercials last night? I timed it from the restart to the next commercial was four and a half minutes. Is that a lot? I think so. It was like five laps of racing.

And they missed a shit ton of cautions too. I think the first four cautions they missed. It was crazy. And then even when they were actually on the air, they did like a Toyota all out or whatever. And there was a caution. So it's like they missed everything. It was crazy. You couldn't get in any rhythm watching the race.

So we gave them props last week. I missed that. Sorry. I didn't see it. I mean, you probably should have on the second half. So we gave props last week and now this week they went and fucked it up. Yeah. All right.

Well, do better, Fox. Come on. Since we're getting opinionated, I guess we could roll into some spot on spot off. Absolutely. Unless you all have any closing,

any closing thoughts from Atlanta. Tommy, a couple things from you just for like on the technical side of things. I know we had a lot of guys fail tech on Friday a lot. 20 something guys, right? 24. Yeah, 24.

We failed for expired window net by two months, and then we waited another four hours to roll back through, and one of the lead officials said, oh, if I would have known that, I would have let you just change it right there because we passed everything else, but we failed before we even rolled out of the garage. We dealt with the same thing.

We had a headrest wasn't certified. We sent it out to get it powder-coded, and somehow it fell through the loop of not getting back to, to seek company to get certified. But I was like, we passed everything. I was like, no way. I am not going through this line again. Tommy just didn't want a crew chief again.

No, no. Well, that too. But what it was, we got there at, what, 11.30? Well, they got to our car at 3.30. 11.30 on Friday. Friday. Yes. Four hours, we did not see one official for four hours.

So we got through tech, just like Noah said, no problems, both cars, but we had a safety violation. And finally, like, I went and got the head guy and said, look, I rolled the car back. We didn't, you know, and they work with us. And it's like, I don't have a headrest. I have to send somebody from the shop halfway. We've got to go pick it up. So what do you want to do?

We're going to have to go through this tomorrow. And he's like, give me a minute. So he's like, all right, we approved everything, thing. And we put the shocks on. But it was a. So, I mean, with 24 guys failed, was it just, was it nitpicky stuff? Well, yes. So NASCAR, on one of the platforms, they changed, decided, after last week, they were going to put all brand new tops on their platforms.

So obviously the wear and tear of the... So everybody, NASCAR's biggest thing is, well, we give you a tolerance, right? And you make sure you use every bit of that. Yeah, we understand it. But when you change that tolerance and don't tell us, you know, some, some guys fell for some rear height stuff. And there's a reason why we go as high as we possibly can for places. Allegedly. Atlanta and Daytona and Talladega, you know,

for spoil angle type situations for tech. And, you know, some guys failed there. And this was really the first time out of the three races that we went before practice. Right. So there's so many tolerance. I mean, NASCAR has a tolerance difference between their machine and Concord that we allowed to go to the track. To the one track. So it's very.

It's a guess. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest with you. I tell everybody, sometimes on Fridays, I just go back to the hotel and cry. I don't believe you. Yeah, no, really. But back in the day, you only had one of those a year, the Daytona 500. You had to sweat, you know, tech, right? It's every single week, because you have no idea what's going to happen.

No idea. But, yeah, I mean, it keeps everybody in line, I guess. Well, luckily, you had plenty of time at the race check this week. Yeah, oh, yeah. We were there for three days for one lap And then we ran half the race And then we loaded up and went home It was great

That schedule was a short drive Schedule is awesome This is a good schedule You were home eating Oreos before I was Took off last night Yeah we wrecked Both cars wrecked Oh that's right

Both cars were right That's why you got on our plane And boom We were going All right cars Let's go Are you guys ready now What page are we on?

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I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. Number one, William Byron and Austin Cendrick rec racing with Kyle Larson for the lead with four to go, setting up overtime.

Cendrick obviously was not thrilled. That's how you said that. What? She's going to fucking hit you. What are you talking about? That's not even how it went. That's what Alex put on the sheet. So yell at Alex.

Yes, I fucking watched it. Did the five car wrecked the two? The five car. If you would have just let me go, I have two more lines if you would just let me finish. Thank you. Go ahead. Well, how did you see it?

The five car wrecked the two. Then the 24, I had no. All right. Well, they all wrecked. I guess. They all wrecked together. All right. So I guess Tommy spot off on, on that. Well, he spot on for the statement that the five wrecked the time.

Spot off for the way I said it. I didn't know. You were out already, I assume, at this point. Yeah, I was watching it. I mean, what did you think? I mean, the five, like, listen, Larson is one of the best at there of putting you in a spot where you need to lift. Like, he's just one of the guys that can crowd you. He can make you run you out of room and make you lift.

This just looked like a complete. misjudgment to me. Like, I don't think he was being told clear, but, you know, because I never saw a point where he was ever really clear to keep moving up. And he just kind of just ran the two in the fence at some point. Yeah, he, he's been on the other side of things with Denny at Pocono, right? And other races. But the way I saw it is the five was, it's obviously four laps to go.

So he's trying to clear himself up and, and make something. and that's not there, but if he gets clear and he gets a shove, then he probably wins the race. Yeah, so... But I think the two bounces off the wall as well. The 24th tight,

even if the two runs right up against the wall on exit and doesn't come down that half car width, they're probably side by side and door banging off the corner, but with the two bouncing off the wall and coming back down right there, I think it's just a misjudgment on both sides. but had that been lap 40?

Yeah, there's no excuse, but with it being the end of the race, I get every side of things, you know. Guys aren't willing to lift. It's just aggravating because the two car ran up front all day, right? Never touched anybody. Same as last week. I mean, just, it's racing everybody clean. I mean, obviously, look, you can tell that the five car got tight there.

Lifted. He definitely fenced the two. Yeah, I mean, just. But like you said, like you said, like, Byron also, like, no matter what happens with the two, the buyers is just going to drive in inside of him. We got to get the five to win. I'm just going to clean this guy out.

I'm going to finish him off. Watch. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're doing. Yeah, I'm going to send you. And oops, I didn't mean to send myself. Oh, man. Yeah, it just looked like a, I mean, it's a, like you said, four to go.

Everybody's going for it. I think it's racing. Yeah. At that point, you still got a, like, Larsen's just hoping to get him to lift right there. Just carrying him up the racetrack and, and hope to get him to lift. And unfortunately, the two,

just carried it straight to the fans. Like you said, Cindrick, the poor guy, two races in a row, he's probably dominated. Probably led, I don't know,

he led the most laps yesterday, and he's got absolutely nothing to show for it. So a shame for him. I know Danny was calling him the best plate race that we've got these days. And he showed it again yesterday. And unfortunately, that's,

that's the end of the- all the Penske guys are good. I mean, yeah, for Blaney to spin and come back up to the field and finish, what, four? Four,

yeah. They, like, they controlled that race yesterday. Like, and there's points. in the race where we got on the bottom and followed, like, I think it was the two and the 22. And they just

dragged the whole bottom line right to third. And then they got clear, went to the top and we went right to the back. I was like, oh, okay, I figured out where the horses are now. All right. This is a little deja vu with some caution situations. Christopher Bell wins after NASCAR throws a caution on the final lap while the leaders

were entering turn three. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. So I'm about to ask Noah this, because I asked Bubba this last week and he really didn't have a great answer. And I don't know, I don't expect you to have a great answer. Like what do you want them to do? Like, do you want to be driving through a wreck trying to race back to the line? Or do you just want them to throw the yellow when there's an incident? Yes.

That's the same answer, Bubba. Yeah, Bubba. Yes, but the consistency of it. Yes. I almost messaged in the group chat, Good morning. Are we racing back to the checkers today? Are we ending it under caution?

Because you don't know, because it's been different every week, right? And we saw it down at Daytona. I understand they're in a tough position. But it's just the inconsistency is what we fear as drivers. I mean, does Carson Hosevar make that move? If he knows the caution's coming out, probably not. He probably shoves the five. But he thinks we're racing back to the checkers,

because in the drivers meeting they said we're racing, and we have every intent to race back to the checkers. But they're in a tough position, and I understand that. But we just like to see more consistency on, hey, throw the caution every time. I did see a tweet yesterday last night when I was on the plane, and this is going to open up a whole other can of worms. But even if you're on the white flag, just call the caution and have another green white checker. Yeah.

Right? And finish it under green. If you're going to call the caution in turn three, then you have opportunity. You know, hey, we're going to get another shot at it and guys aren't going to be wrecking into each other. But when you don't know what the caution's coming or not, you have to hold it wide open

and sometimes you're going to plow through someone or you're going to get through unscathed and everything's going to be okay. But it's a disaster waiting to happen. Yeah. And listen, we've said on here forever, like same thing. We want consistency. We thought we were starting to get it

because they threw the yellow. It's way too early on Thursday at that duel. I thought that was an unnecessary one but then that put them in a box where I felt like the rest of the weekend they were never going to throw yellow at the end of the race, which they didn't at the end of the 500. Then they don't throw the yellow on Saturday

and we're all piling through a wreck half the field and you're like, okay, I guess we're just going to this is what we're going to do now. Like we're just going to race back to the yellow. And I think that would be fine if everybody knew that was what's coming. But then Sunday they put out in the driver's meeting, oh, we made a mistake last night.

We probably should have through the yellow. Like you said, there are no win situation because no matter what you do, everybody's going to complain. And I've said this on here before for years. Like that caution, a caution is a caution. Like if Blaney, a single car spin on the apron for Blaney is a yellow, then that's, whether it's lap 1 or lap 260,

a caution is a caution. You know, and if you're going to throw the yellow for Blaney spinning by himself on the apron, you have to throw the yellow for a fucking 20 car pile up down the back straight away. 100%. And Bubba said the same thing you said on here last week. he said if there's only really there's only two fixes to this in my opinion you either do away with green white checkers and just end the race at lap 260 yesterday and throw the checker under yellow or you just have nonstop green white checkers until we cross the start finish line under checker

because this that you're never going to fix this there's it's going to be different race directors there's going to be different people up there they're going to hit the button at different times you're never going to you're never going to get what you're looking for in this scenario like complete consistency or the right call every time so So you either just keep racing until we have nobody left or just stop getting rid of the green white checkers. I mean, what do you think, what did you guys were running out of fuel? That was when I, that was like when I started harping on here. I'm like, let's just like stop doing, because we know.

That's a problem is you're a driver. You know like, you're going to have a national situation. Like you're like, what are you going to do on a green white checker? You're going to. Absolutely. Everything you can get. Whatever spot, whatever spot it is, you're going 110% trying to get that. spot and that's what everybody else does. And we just, Nashville was a perfect example where we just

continued to crash. Oh, they're an indie, right? Yeah. It's just, that's why I said, like, I'm off for just get rid of them. Like, just, because all we do is tear up race cars. You remember why they got rid of them? Well, I don't remember why we ever, like, why we started Greenwhite Checkers just for fans. They wanted more exciting finish. And that's the problem. I think they're so involved right now with social media and worried about the world. They're not worried about us. Not worried about them anymore, you know. Look, just make the decision, right? Throw it. What has been so wrong about throwing the caution in case of emergency, right?

I mean, obviously that wreck happened. If they still crossed the line, they were still in danger. Everybody, the emergency vehicles couldn't get to the guys that wrecked. There's all types of situations, you know. What? If the wreck probably happened on the backstretch going into two, they probably wouldn't have thrown the caution. So it's a situational situation, right?

it wherever it happens, they have to make a split-second decision, first of safety, the driver's safety. So, I don't know, man. It's just, I think they're getting caught up and, caught up in worrying about what everybody thinks instead of doing their job. We see that. I mean, we see it, like, they won't throw a yellow during pit cycles. Like, I'm like, it's a, if it's a yellow is a fucking yellow.

It's not a, it's not a case-by-case basis of when you're going to throw the yellow. Like, we're not going to throw a yellow because, like, it was here. Was it here last year where they all wrecked coming to pit road? Yeah. And they're scattered over there in turn three. And we're good. We're not going to throw the yellow because it's going to fuck up the pit cycle. Like that's not not coming to play.

It's either a yellow or it's not. Fair. All right. Next. Multiple drivers frustrated with Carson Hosevar during and after the race. No. Really? Yeah.

Do I even need to read the quotes? I mean, I think we all heard them. You can read some of them. Let's hear. Kyle Bush, go tell that 77. He's done the same fucking move 10 times.

I don't care if I wrecked the whole field. I'm over him. He's fucking. huge back. Jesus. I'm gonna wreck is that. This is a quote. That's bad.

Quote unquote. I didn't say anything like that. Blaney was mad. Chastain, talked to him after the race. Spot on, spot off. Tommy. Yeah, spot on. I mean, same thing.

I mean, he's going to learn someday, but he needs to learn pretty quick because he's going to start getting wrecked and cost him himself and his team a lot of money. Again, great talented race car driver. Car's been fast. He just needs to harness it, man. I told Bobba, one of you guys got to get a,

gonna have to get a step stool and punch him in the face at some point. Like, maybe he's not away. But listen, like for me, and I don't know how Noah feels about it because you got to race with him, but like, obviously he was ultra-aggressive, really fast race car. And it's kind of following the mold of a Stenhouse,

a Lugano, a McMurray back in the day. Like, just, and these ultra-aggressive plate racers, while they might wreck a lot, they win races. Jay McMurray won plate races. Stenhouse wins plate races. Lugano, probably one of the best plate racers in our sport. Like, this is where you, at the end of the day,

he was ultra, ultra aggressive. I didn't want to be anywhere near him on the racetrack. He had nothing to do with the play race. He was doing at Bowman Gray. He's done it every racetrack last year. I'm just singling out last night. You didn't want to be around him on the racetrack, but when it came down to it, he's three wide for the lead.

Yeah, because he had a really fast race car. And he still wrecked a lot of people and ran into a lot of people on the way. I mean, it's not. How do you, no, how do you, no, how do you, balance that. Obviously, you've been in position. You have fast race cars. How do you balance? Do you give a shit what people think about you while you're out there? I mean, you do ultimately because your respect level on the racetrack, that determines how people race you and put you in different positions. So I have obviously had my fair share of mishaps throughout my career and on the racetrack.

but I feel like I have a lot more respect and understanding now that I'm older on being more patient, putting myself in better positions and not, you know, ruining other people's day because, you know, you got to race against these guys 38 weeks in a row in multiple years. And he's really, really fast and he's up there. I mean, he drives the wheels off that thing. But eventually there becomes a point where, it's a detriment each and every weekend because guys race you super, super hard each and every week instead of pointing you by if you're faster, letting you go, they're just going to race the shit out of you

you every single time you're out there and it ultimately hurts you in the long run. So nobody's perfect and we all mess up and misjudge stuff on the racetrack. but, you know, it's just, it's not fun. You got to know, in my point of view, you got to, I try to always know who I'm around. There's certain guys that, you know, you can race side by side and three wide with, and there's other guys where you're like, man, this guy,

he's a dart with one feather. He's still going to get there, and he's going to get there fast, but you don't know where he's going to be or where he's going to go, and that inconsistency doesn't scare you, but it just it puts you on guard of man, I don't,

I don't want to be around this guy. Have you been in a position where you get out of the car like Carson did last night and there's every interview is just... They're lined up. Just lined up one day.

100%. What does that even lie? I mean, you just, like, you think, like I think, and I think watching some of Carson's interviews,

like he thinks he had a great night, he finished second, whatever it was, and then you get out of the car and you're like, oh shit. Like, everybody's mad.

I mean, I mean. Nobody wants to be in a boy band with him. That's what he's. Wow, that was a weird comment. I don't know. In two years from now, you're going to look at the results sheets and say,

if he ran second and did what he did on the racetrack each and every weekend, but he still ran in the top five every race, you'd be like, man, this guy's unbelievable. Stat-wise, right? But people forget over time. So as he progresses and gets better to race with, I think it'll be okay. But he's just got to pick a lane.

a fork in the road if he wants to go right or left and that's, I'm going to continue to race this way and I might have good results and thumbs up. He's doing his job and he's getting the results. At the end of the day, that's what this is about is results, but he's going to piss a lot of people off on the way. And like, if anybody's not familiar, you guys don't forget. Like, I'm sure you have a list of guys, you don't have to name any of them,

but like there's guys you race harder than other guys because of however they race you, whether it's Cup, Xfinity, whatever it is, like, you guys, know like this guy's I'm gonna make his life difficult no matter who it is or what they've done you in the past like this is the guy I'm gonna I'm gonna race a shit out of him right here because he fucking ran me three wide into a corner five years ago or whatever it was 100% or you just take care of them when it's we keep tabs on everyone and uh you know when there's a big moment transferring in the next round of the playoffs or something two years down the road this guy raced you like shit one time he's got a year on you

He's got a year under his belt. Enough's enough, man. Learn how to race. I mean, I'd say it time and time again. Mark Martin should write a book or do a video and every new race car driver, no matter what the... At four years old,

need to start watching Mark Martin's video on how to race, and we'd have a much better sport. I think a part of the problem is every lap counts now, and every position counts. It's... Back in the day,

they used to point guys by, because they were racing 38 races. Now we race it, race by race, lap by lap. Instead, you'd point a guy by, and a seventh was a good day because you're just stacking points. But that's not true because it's a math thing. Mark Martin, Jeff Burton, they all understood it. If you guys race side by side for five laps,

you give up more time to the next guy or the leader than just letting him go. I mean, it's just something that's like, and you look at it, why are you racing us to death? like this. Let us go. Let's both get in cleaner air and not get lapped or not getting trouble with the 10th place guy that's catching us. You know, it's just even, it's just so different. Even for you, I'm sure for you, like, it's just hard to pass. Everybody's racing at 110% each and every lap. So why do you want the next group catching you then? Because if you hold that guy off, then he's going to,

he was going to do with them first. And you're, you're good. You're holding your track position. You're not getting passed by a freight train guys. I feel like this is even different from Xfinity to cut for you. You know, like, obviously you had a really. fast Xfinity car, so I'm nice. You could let that guy go, and eventually your car is going to come around to where you liked it. You can go back and pass him. Now, if you let somebody go in the cup series, there's a good chance you're never passing that guy again.

Like, it's just the way, like, that's the way it is. Like, you can't, like, and it's so fucked up that a lot of it, a lot of it tire wear, heat really in tires is the problem. So like, if you just hold the guy off for 10 laps and let him get his tires hot, you'll never see him again. You just drive away. And it's, it sucks to race that way because I'm, like, what I spot it for you. And that's the way we were like, you know, just.

We don't need to race. We know, we're trying to just get a top 25, top 20, whatever it is. Like, we don't need to get in trouble. We don't need to race. But now you just have to race every lap like you're trying to arrow block or just hold the guy off and he just tires up so you can drive away. And it's, it's frustrating when you're the guy that's better and you catch the guy and he just raises the death. But it's just the way it is. I see two or three guys, senior guys still to this day, not do that.

And at the end of the stage or at the end of the race, they're the best car is passing the most cars. I still don't believe it. I think that's something that's in their heads that they have to do. You know, Harvick was really good at. Denny's really, really good at it. A couple of the guys out there are really good at saving their stuff, understanding what they got to do. And if everybody raced like that,

it would probably be the same and better racing. I just don't, I just, it drives me nuts on how we have to race today or if we think we have to race today in order to advance. Do you think Kyle Bush races differently with this next-gen car than he did beforehand? I think Kyle Bush is overdriving what he has right now. I think he had, I don't think he really is in love with this car, and it's really hurting him. I mean, he's one of the most talented race car drivers in the world, right? But I just don't think it fits him.

I think not practicing really aggravates him. I think when he's on the track, again, his statistics showed it. When he runs a truck race, he's better on Sundays. I just, I think that he has not fully probably bought into what he needs to do and how aggressive he needs to be driving these cars to a certain point, right? And when he does get over-aggressive, he's spinning out, or he's doing things on his own. It's like, man, it's not the Kyle Bush that we all know that can outdrive everybody

when he has really, really good stuff. So, yeah, I mean, everybody has to drive differently, right? I mean, I think the guys think that they have to be aggressive, but they don't think they have to be. I don't. I see the leaders of the band not have to do that, and they're there. They're there every race. You know, you didn't hear one word about Ryan.

Bram Blaney, after he spun out, get back to fourth. Did he touch anybody? Did he wreck anybody? He didn't need to. He was riding a rocket ship. He was in Ford. That's what I'm getting at is this shit is really, really fast to where if he makes mistakes, he'll get back up there where if you're average, you have to race every single lap to keep your track position

because it's so hard to get it back. Oh, I understand, but you can be average and still be. nine out of ten times you're going to get in trouble, right? Yeah, you don't have to be a dickhead out there. Nine out of ten times when you're over-aggressive, you're going to be in trouble. And I just see a lot of guys making a lot of mistakes on the track during the race and bump into somebody and bend something a little bit

and hurt the rest of the race. And, oh, the car's a piece of shit now. Yeah, you think? So, you know, it's, I don't know, I just, I'm too, I guess I'm still too old school on that. Well, you are old. I'll give you that. Yeah, I am. but I just think we can all do ourselves a better, you know, all do us as a favor by racing a little

bit differently. And, yeah, like you said, Carson pissed off a lot of people, but he finished second last night, right? And he did his job what he was supposed to do, but it's going to hurt him down the road. I don't think about the long game. It comes back eventually. All right. Justin Elgar chooses not to block Austin Hill on the last restart of the Xfinity race. What the fuck?

Like the fact... I was at Dave and Buster. So, so they, like the 21 dominates the entire race. Is this the last restart? Yeah.

21 dominates the entire race. Justin gets clear right here down the back straightaway. By a fucking mile. And fuck it. What are we doing? Fuck it. Just let them come back around the top of us.

Fuck it. Like, we don't have to worry about nothing. Was he just... Who were the two cars behind them? His teammate? Yeah, teammate, but who cares?

Yeah. Like you have to, if you have to cover the fastest car in the race, and it's been the 21 every plate race for the last whatever, three or four years. Like, you've got to get in front of that guy. You can't just let him have a lane

to drive back around you. I was confused that he didn't start behind him. Yeah, you talked about this. You talked about this yesterday. Because every restart they would push out, then make you move. But yeah, I don't know if... What's he got clear?

We're just called Eddie. See what the hell Eddie was doing. Yeah, I don't know what he was doing. I just, I don't know. Like he, like, to your point, Tommy, every time the 21 was clear. into one. Like every restart, whoever was behind them, really. But right here, like...

Yeah, but you know even at regular mile and a half, the outside lane is going to roll... It's beneficial off of two, yeah. I'm like... I just could, like, I was... We were back there, like, one of the last cars in line because we're like 15 laps down. And I'm like, I'm spotting

live down the back straight away. I'm like, oh, the seven's got to cover the top here, right? He's got to... He's going to do it. Was he worried about just taking care of his teammate and his mind? I mean, I don't know. His interview you afterwards was a little strange too, but like, you got to pull up right there. You have to pull up right there. And now he's back outside you and the game's over.

Like he's just going to drive back around you. I just, like, for me, like Austin Hill is obviously phenomenal plate racer. Very like the RCR cars could do whatever they want like the Penske cars can on Sunday. But that's the guy you got to keep bottled up. If you're out there racing, you know this. You've raced against them guys in this race. Like the 21 of the two are the guys you got to kind of base your race off of. You've got to keep those guys bottled up.

You get them out front, they kick it around them. Jesse was pretty good in the beginning. But as probably, I think about mid-race, when the Stewart-Hawks car has got a little strong there, and they shucked the two away from the 21. The two never got back there. Not back to the front. Never got back to the front.

Because he had an average car. Yeah. I noticed. Oh, here we go. I noticed they were, I think they were more trimmed out than the 21 was because they qualified a little bit better, and the 21, I think, had more down for. So once you lose track position,

when your car's really trimmed out, it's kind of a handful to get back up in there. But I just, this was, this was mind-boggling to me for to not, not at least block the 21. All right. We have a new twist to spot on, spot off this year. And our host gets to ask each other questions, if they have any. What page we are on? Number three. Lord.

Did Luke, did Luke find some money to go racing? Oh, was it last week? No, is it this week? Yeah, he already did, but no. That fell through. So we didn't go to Cordell? No. Damn.

What is it like dealing with these fucking Baldwin kids? I mean, I know you get to hang out with him a little bit. They're fucking pains in the asses, aren't they? No, they're good. They're good. I mainly just hung out with Luke. So he rolls around with Zillich and a couple of those other guys. Old Zillich making his first cup start this week.

I know. You should run them straight off the racetrack. Like, just dump them as soon as you see him. I don't know if I'll be able to get there. He'll probably take care of himself. Turn 1 at Cota's pretty tricky for Zillich. He'll be fast. Yeah, I think the last time he was very good.

I have a question for Tommy. Do you know what a situation ship is? It's my word of the day for you today. No. A situation ship? No, I'm always in situation. No, can you help explain it? I don't know what the fuck.

Oh, you know what a situation ship is. You've probably been in one or two of them. Currently, maybe. Maybe. Situation shit. I've been a lot of situations shit. Can you give us, are you in a situation ship these days? Not currently.

Ended last week. Oh, ended last week. A situation ship is like a, relationship that isn't really a real, like there's no label on it, but like, it's just a mess. That's Tommy's whole life. Yeah, I'm in a lot of

situations. His two marriages prior. Tommy's, poor Beth is in a situation ship. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your kids will probably know what that means. She came home last night. I mean, she was hot. I mean, just mad at all of us. And what'd you guys do? What'd you guys do? I have no idea.

But basically, she just told us, gave us all the finger and went out and lit the fire and sat outside. Hell yeah. Meg, this is, this cracks me up still. I text Carson this last night. I had to include laughing. Megan went to the Little Wayne concert last night.

I'm pissed. I didn't know that Lil Wayne was in town. I would have went. Who'd she go with? Ashley Bram, I'm Ashley Smalley now, I guess Phil Smalley's wife, a couple of her friends. That was, that was, when she told me that, I was like, you're going where?

Like, and then, of course, Megan is like maybe the most straight-edge person. person on the planet. And she texts me last night. She's like, I think I'm getting high for the first time of my life. She's like, just breathing the air at this concert. Lord. So they showed, she showed up a big Al. We went to a big Alice for a little while last night. Carson couldn't come. She wasn't allowed. I was being responsible. But she showed up. I don't even know what time. One o'clock or so. I was like, oh, thank God you're here. You can drive home. So just I hope you're not high. I got a question for know. So how was, how's the transmission? The transition. Transmission. It has the transmission. You got to go to trainees over there. The transition been from out west to here. Because it happened

pretty quick for you. Yeah, it's a lot different. I'm going from Vegas, which is a pretty all around 24 hour a day city. And coming out here to gas stations closing at 9 or 10 p.m. and you can't get food after nine other than going to cookout or Taco Bell or something. So it's definitely slower pace out here. It drives me nuts when you're on a two-lane road and you're in the backcountry and you've got somebody in front of you going 10 under the speed limit

and you're like, geez, like nobody has anywhere to go quick. But it's... I'm starting to enjoy it more. but with the lake here is nice, but we don't ever get to really go out there because we don't have any time. But I hated it at first moving out here. I always like going back west,

but I'm starting to enjoy it more now that I got more buddies out here. Well, half of them are out here now. Yeah, Zane and Riley, we all grew up racing against each other. What about the racetracks? How many different racetracks did you guys race out there? I only ran like two or three racetracks. out there. So I started

racing in 2012 at the Bullring in Legend Cars, or in Bandoleros, then I moved up into Legend Cars for the next two years. 2013, 2014. I ran Kern County and Tucson Speedway, but I never ran Irwindale in Legend Cars or anything, but

that's the biggest difference out there is every tracks, like four hours apart, give or take. Out here, they're 40 minutes, it seems like. There's just so many tracks. and a 100 mile radius of Charlotte. So we came out here during the summertime.

It would run the summer shootout. And I think the first year we came out here in 2013, we were out here for 10 days, and we were on a racetrack, eight of the 10 days on different tracks. So we'd run the summer shootout Monday and Tuesday. We'd go test at Concord. We'd go test at Dillon the next day.

We'd go find a race on Friday. Like we went up to Shenandoah, Virginia, no, South Side Speedway up in Virginia, up in Richmond. And then we went to Shenandoah in West Virginia the next day and then had a day off and then tested again. So that was super cool to be able to be on track damn near half a season out on the West Coast because we'd only race, you know, 12 or 13 times out there, race weekends. So we were on track a lot. you could just get so much more racing. What I think super interesting is I started racing last 13 years old.

Now you got kids that are 10, 11 years old. It's a full-size stock cars. And it's pretty wild to think, like, man, this next generation of kids, they're getting younger and younger, and they're better and better. So with eye racing and everything like that, it's definitely pretty neat to see

all those young kids coming in the sport and being so good as young as they are. You talk about coming up. through the sport and I know I'm sure there's a ton of people that have helped you along the way. But one person I do want to, I've been actively trying to get him to come on here and co-host, but Brandon McReynolds obviously has been a big part of your career. Like what's it like working with, I know a different side of Brandon than most people do, but what's it like just working with Brandon?

I know he's been a huge part of your career. Yeah, so he, we were racing against each other in 2015 out in the K&M West series. And I wrecked him at Sonoma, coming back to the white flag and turn 11 and turn 11 and turned him into the pit road, like that little access road to pit road. And then the next weekend we went to Statenline Speedway up in Idaho, and he had a sway bar arm come loose. So he was driving around there with no sway bar, and we were running third or fourth.

And he's like, oh, here's my time to get this little shit head. So he barreled it off in there and jacked me up and sent me pretty hard. and I hung on to it, and then he got me again a couple laps later. And then finally I drove away and he's like, damn, I can't wreck this guy, you know? So he called me after that and I really didn't know him. And he's like, hey, I'm done. If you're done, like we're good. And that's really where the relationship started.

And then 2016, he was out of the Napa ride because Todd Gilland was going into it for Bill McNeally out in the West Coast. And we hired him to driver coach me. spot and just kind of show me the ropes of what it takes in my second year in the K&N series and start working on, you know, business development and management and all that. So he kind of transitioned from a driver coach into my manager and handling all the day-to-day stuff for me and partners and whatnot. So it's been cool to see his progression throughout the years on almost being self-taught. He's had a lot of, you know, mentors and a lot of help. Joe Mattis here at Junior Motorsports is,

he's one of the best when it comes to business, and he's helped him a lot and been a very valuable part of our relationship between Brandon and I, because really, without Brandon's help and support and his hard work, none of this stuff goes on. So just big shout out to him because he's been there in the trenches with me when times are not so good and also been there for the good times. I'm going to need you to jump on the bad way

and tell him to stop being a bitch and come on here and hang out with us because he's I'm a little disappointed at him about it. We haven't heard from him in the old group chat lately. He's probably afraid to answer that group chat because that group chat kind of goes off the rails just quite a bit. Speaking of off the rails,

it's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. And let's get into it. Ricky Stenhouse has went from wrecking all the foreign drivers, but now he's taking out all the local guys at each racetrack. What is he thinking? Come on, Ricky Spinnhouse.

Ricky. Poor Ricky. Sad Chase. Somebody reached out to me this week. They think you don't like Ricky. Is that true? No, that's not true at all. I mean, I talked to him the other day about, we were going over a story because

when he was, the wife was getting ready to have the baby. his, Ricky's wife, he pulled out of his driveway, and I was behind him. And obviously, it was a little pressure on Ricky getting her to the hospital. And I knew it was him, but I didn't know that was the issue. So we're on 150, and, you know, there's a lot of lights on 150. So it's like, um, stops because of the red light, and I pull over, I look at him. And I'm like, man, what the hell are you doing? He's like, dude, I was having my baby.

I didn't know what to do. And I was trying to take my time, and I didn't realize that I was supposed to be a rush because she broke water and all kinds of shit was going on. I'm like, all right, cool. So we were in the airport the other day getting ready to take off and he had the baby, you know, they had the baby there. But no, I get along with Ricky fine. It's just when he's been a little critical of him.

When he straps that helmet on, he loses a little blood pressure. That's all. I mean, little blood flow. But, you know, Ricky's a good guy. I mean, he's, but yeah, he likes to hit everything on the way through. Carson Hosevar at the end of that race was like when you do something stupid in school

and get chewed out by your teacher then get chewed out by your mom once you takes you up then get chewed out by your dad when he gets home everybody was tapping that ass Can you say everybody was tapping that ass what he said

I don't think that we might have to visit that slang section again and see if that's what that means you know what that means tapping that ass don't answer that just say no Ryan, shout out Ryan McGee. Ryan McGee had the tweet of the night, I thought.

Like the movie Airplane, you remember the movie Airplane where they're like, I forget, like, somebody's freaking out in the chair and they just all walk up and like shake him and slap him in the face. He's like, this is Carson Hosebar after the race. So we're just a line of people slapping him in the face. Spot on. At the bar Friday night, it's on fireball shots.

I hear a very, very distinguished voice. I look over. It's fucking Tommy Baldwin over. Fucking chilling. I told him. I'm going to leave a message for you. It's fat Thor. Nice to meet you.

I twid the picture of us and Freddy helped me get the most views I've ever had. Just fucking go, boys. Those two boys were big boys. Big guy was sitting and he was yapping, man. I mean, you can tell it. The whole bar knew his whole life story. And, yeah, they were fun.

Fun to listen to. I gave a piece of advice. I said, if I was you, I'd get the hell out of there as soon as possible because Tommy will stick you with the fucking bill. I've been there before. You better leave right now. It's a reason why I stick all of you guys with the bill. Yeah, I think we probably.

It's probably just working off a tab. And these commercials are getting out of fucking hands. I'm out of fucking alcohol. And we ain't even halfway through this bitch. Holy fuck. I'm watching a goddamn subway commercial right now. And I don't even want fucking subway. Alex, is that you?

How do you disguise your voice like that? That's pretty good. They got him to say subway, though. That's true. Hey, that's it. Guess the commercial worked. Well, when you got Ross Chastain giving you advice after the race, you know you're fucked up. Go 12.

Go 12. Go 12. That's definitely. Do you think Ross has calmed down? Have you seen a different Ross? Ever since that Darlington deal where Rick Hendr called him out in their press conference, I don't know what happened behind the scenes at Chevy or whatnot, but ever since that, that day, I feel like he's been

way more team. Do you see that on the racetrack? Yeah, 100%. So he's comfortable, more comfortable to race around. Yeah. So you can do it if you want to, right? Yeah, absolutely. You could do it if you wanted to. But if you have a shitty car, you got to block his ass. But... Yeah, and where are you shit out? I feel like before

Ross was running a lot, lot better to, before he calmed down, you know, so it's a... It's a double-edged sword. Double-edged sword. What? The top is a caution. How is it that the same wreck two days in a row is a different outcome? How is it that since Daytona, this has happened five fucking times, five times. Different calls each time.

How is that possible? That's Eric Jones. That's David. Eric is the kid. He's still bitter. We need to give him an open. Like Tommy said, Tommy said, let's talk about Elton. That was interesting on the end of the rest.

Wait on that. Wait on that. But the, like Tommy said, they are a victim of social media. Like, you know, they saw a lot of outrage after Eric's duel. So they tried to make a change for the 500. Then they tried to carry that change through the race of our night. And they realized this is a bad idea to just have guys piling through this wreck on Saturday night. So it's just there's a no-win situation. Whatever they do.

They're going to be wrong. This year? Yeah. Me at Syed. There's the Toaster, Beth. Oh. There's the toaster bath. I got a question that made me think, Fox and NBC.

Did, so qualifying was on Prime this past weekend? Was it? CW, right? Was it CW? Was it Prime? Yeah, Larry had the Prime deal. Will they post the ratings for that? Like, will we be able to see the numbers of,

qualifying last year on Fox compared to... I don't know that they'll... I don't know that I've ever seen, which they might because it's a one-off. It'd be interesting to see because now you have to buy so many... I mean, I feel like everybody has Netflix and...

I have a login about everything you can imagine. It's like so many streams. There's like 15 streaming things that you need to have now. I'm wondering how the ratings are going to be just based off if you can't go on the TV. I realize everything's going streaming now

and it's a lot easier. It would just be interesting to see what that difference is. You got to think it's going to be low. Not low, but lower, obviously, than, you know, Fox or FS1 even. I thought, I thought it was funny last week, you know, obviously the Archer race got big views. And Cletus was in the race.

And everybody's like, oh, it's the Cletus McFarland. Well, shout out to Cleetus got us around here, a million views. Where are you guys at on? Where are you at now? Nowadays, how many views did you get on, on Dale's show last one point five. I listened to it.

Last night. So shout out to Cletus. But also you kind of remember they're like, oh, I did more than the truck race. And I'm like, well, it was on, it was also on Big Fox versus FS1. So, well, Cletus probably definitely drew eyes to the sport. It also didn't hurt. Cletus is big right now on the no sleeve program. I was ripping sleeves on.

I saw somebody. Biffles, YouTube. So he's driving for Red Jones racing, which, you know, they've been really good to me, Terry and Mark Rett. shout out to Terry just bought a damn late model company yeah yeah that's pretty cool port city race car

shout out if you're a racer racing late models Tommy city race cars you've been buying any late models lately no I just sold mine I was yeah not enough time

so Pastrana text me the other night and there's a number in there that I didn't recognize so I open it up it's he's like hey no it's Travis and Cletus you know here's a number Clay just take it from here.

He's like, hey, come down to the Freedom 500. We're going to race Crown Vicks down at my track. And the loser of us three has to wear no sleeves for a month. He's big on this no sleeve program. And Biffel's got to do it and stuff. If he gets like 100,000 subscribers. He already did. He lost.

Did he? Yeah, he's sleepless. I saw the video of somebody ripping his sleeves off in the restaurant the other day. I was talking to Doug Yates the other day. We were working out. And we work out at the same place over at Roush Yates is building. and I was like, could you imagine like having to go into like a forward super speedway meeting

or a Ford meeting? Edsel Ford's in there and you got no sleeves and you got to walk into it literally every sponsor dinner and everything and say, hey guys, like here's why I'm wearing no sleeves. I lost a bet. Like you'd have to do that same speech every single place you go. But I got shit last week because I made a comment about the Arcarey being a shit show, which obviously it was Daytona.

And I said something about a YouTuber. and I was talking about that dumb ass that spun out in front of everybody and wiped out the whole field. But I remember his name. Everything that I met Cleetus. And I'm like, all right, I should have been more specific. I apologize. I thought you met him. I'm like, no, it was another guy.

He's a YouTube. Now he's, now he's social media. They had a big race in his track last weekend. The ultimate 600. Yeah. That's good. I mean, it's 76 of them. He does a hell of a job.

Did you see his YouTube video from Daytona on the race? I saw where he got in trouble for one. He because he ran his in car at the test. He wasn't allowed to. probation. So he had an in-car. He posted a video at Daytona. I watched it the other day before we went to Atlanta.

And he wrecked at Daytona. Well, the in-car, the safety worker comes up. And he's like, do you know where you are? And he's like, Taladanga. And the guy's like, oh, shit. He's all fucked up. And he's like, no, I'm just messing with you. He's a national treasure.

Oh, he's like. All right. One last thing. Shout out, Richard, Atlanta Care Center. him to Zen off him. He's the helicopter pilot that flies a flight for life helicopter at Atlanta infield care center. So shout out Richard for the Zen and the care center. If you need Zins in Atlanta, no where to find him. All right. You have your fancy Zinn holder on you? No. I can't believe that. No, it's like no. I cannot believe that. I don't do that, but shout out

to him. Shout out. Shout out. Well, it's been like 20 minutes since we finished the last call. But to leave an audio message 247, you can call our number at 704, 802, 9572. And and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. And now it's time for AskDBC, and you can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC, and we will answer the best ones. Danny the Phantom wants to know,

with the recent history of close finishes and exciting racing in Atlanta, would you guys like to see other tracks reconfigure to an Atlanta-like style, and if so, which tracks? So I'm going to actually go the other way, not so much maybe with the cup cars yet, but I'd like to see them just take the plates off the Xfinity cars.

Like, let them guys go out there and race their ass off. Because like that Xfinity race, I felt like the other night was just straight up single file. Austin and the two were controlling the whole race. And you can't get out of line because if you don't get clear and back in line, you're going to the tail of whatever the fuck that line is. So like, I'm almost to the point now where I think it's racy enough to like just like let's ditch the fucking drafting package for the Xfinity cars and let them go out there and race and see what the hell that's like. Because I thought that race was not that great the other night. You know, the end was okay because they got the race in like the last couple laps of each stage. but like for like I was always I loved Atlanta like I'm sure you were the same way like back the old Atlanta worn out Harvard kicking our ass fucking running around the bottom of one and two that was my one of my favorite racetracks I'm just hoping we get back there at some point but I

definitely do not so I heard a rumor the other day that or yesterday that they were talking about doing this with Kansas and I'm like dear God please don't do that anywhere else this is a great track like yeah this place is so fun and it's getting to that point now where I'm sure when we go back there in the for the summer race Guys are going to be a lot more focused on getting the cars to handle like a normal mile and a half rather than just trimmed out arrow stuff. Because when you get three, four rows back in the race, they drive so bad and it drives completely different up front.

So the problem with where Atlanta's at right now is the draft is so powerful that you're searching for clean air in the corner, but if you don't get up in that line of draft, then you're screwed. So that's what I think if, I don't know if we need more power, but it's just kind of in on that awkward phase when you get a bad haircut and it's growing out.

Like if you shave your head and it's growing out and you're in that. You don't know anything about bad haircuts, do you? No, I'd never have one. I never have one. At least you didn't get into a fight that week or anything. That was good. Yeah, I mean, they need to keep working on

I think the tire and the engine package. I mean, we need to start getting off the gas a little bit more. I did feel like the tires wore out more than... Yesterday? Yeah, this past weekend, 25, 30 laps into a run. You could see guys starting to get super tied off the corner, and that's where I think the focus of getting the balance and the handling will be more important than trimming out for the race.

Keep going, that direction, please. Just let them get it. off the gas and more time off the gas is going to be more passing. Off throttle time equals good racing. The problem is you get tight behind guys right now and you're having to bail out of the throttle off of two. Well

with the restrictor plate on there it just takes so long and you're getting freight trains so. Y'all got any nominees for the shit show Hall of Fame this week? Chris Wright won last week. Whose ever idea it was to just sandblast

these poor bastards in the truck race? I mean, have you ever had that happen to you? Trucks don't, they don't have They don't have the right side window, no. Like they got, I'm talking fucking sandblasted. And like, like they parked the trucks right at the accident scene. So all the speedy drives right outside of them. And then they come by with the jets and just fucking Kio these guys in the right side window.

I know Kyle was pretty pumped about it. I'm sure I saw a couple other guys made comments about it. But that's got to be towards the top of the list for me. I mean, another nominee that we have listed here. I don't want to read it at all. the way through. Did you see this? Oh, you were in the group text with us last night.

Well, he was eating Oreos. He might have been a little busy. The bottom of this page. With the, somebody, I'm, I don't know. We're investigating, I guess. I reached out to some people in NASCAR. Everything we say right now is a legend. That happened on the NASCAR radio after the race is over last night.

Yeah. But we think it was a fan hacking their radio of some sort. Or it was Mr. Hendrick, one of the two. No. Or Mr. H got on there. I'm just kidding. But it said, uh, that's not

get and read you don't want to read it I'll read it I had to read the douchebag comment earlier this was this was from the transcript of the post race

right Colby right this is where we got this from Elton Elton Sawyer Elton you better not fuck Larson do not fuck Larson there you go Elton

you're gonna fuck Larson aren't you don't fuck Larson don't you do it that's not it's not a NASCAR official except you don't need that that was Hilton

just on there There had to be a fan. I have this happens once a year on our radio. I feel like somebody gets on there. Does that happen pretty often? I've never had, I mean, we've had bleed over. Like when we go to Vegas, we get the Air Force Base radio transmitters to, not transmitters, but we get some bleed in from like I'll hear, you know,

whatever the flight number or whatever it is. Yeah, especially Dayton and depart like stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, I, we, We've had people just outright yelling and shit on our radios before. It's crazy. It's nuts. It's crazy. There's crazy people out there.

But this, somebody told me this when I got on the plane last night and I was like, here's no way. No. They showed me like the TRD transcript. And I'm like, oh, God. So somebody, but I don't think anybody heard it, right? That's what we got told. Like it was some kind of, I don't know, whatever.

But we'll see. But who do you got? What was your shit show in the week, Thomas? Anybody? that just comes to mind. Hosevar? You want to blame it? Ricky, what Rikki do this way?

I don't know. I mean... Who else? No, I just... I mean, I thought overall the cup race is pretty damn good. It was a lot of... Like you said, in the middle of the pack,

there was a lot of racing going on, two, three wide, and Corey was in a lot of it. I'll tell you who was ultra... I mean, obviously, you had to get a lot of luck. McDowell came from fucking, like, six laps down to finish in the top. top 15.

How many times in a row did he get the lucky dog? Six. I was like every once in a lot. He tied Jamie McMurray and myself for most wave rounds. Oh, really? In a race. Yeah, I saw that on Twitter last night. I was trying to think of,

never mind. It's okay. But like, like he just kept getting it, getting, and then he was racing behind us. I'm like, surely he's on a lead lap, right? And sure enough,

I go, oh, fuck, he's right behind us. He's on a lead lap. But that was pretty impressive. Where do you finish? 14th, I think, or something like that? 13th. Yeah. That's, that was,

that was from the garage. Like, yeah, you know, I mean, like he was in the garage and came out to finish 13. So do we only have one nominee? I guess unless you can get anybody. I'm nominating. I'll nominate the tower. That's who I'm going to nominate for their caution for the pushing button situations. Can you just roll Chris Rice over for another? He deserves two of them.

Hey, put Chris right. Leave him on the board. Like, leave him on the board. Back to back. We'll just see if anybody beats Chris right. Yeah, yeah. We should hang him up as the first official inductee on the wall or something. We do need like an inductee board or something.

He's won at first race to the year. Yeah. He's got it for the year probably. Remember to go vote on Twitter for the Shitshow Hall of Fame poll. And we'll see who gets inducted next week. All right, DBC picks. I smoked y'all again this week. Who won?

Me. Who goes last? Me. I'll do. Tommy. Tommy, who you go for? Tommy goes first. Oh, I go last?

No, you go third. You go third because I go last since I won. Bubba had a decent pick. Thomas, who you want? Reddick. Reddick. I will take Bill Byron. It's a good pick.

You said you want Zillich? I'll take Zillie. That's fine. Where are we going? We're going to Kota. I'll take Almondinger. Amundinger. Is he raising?

I don't know. Is he not? Wait, is he not? He's full time. Don't fuck with me. Don't fuck with me, dude. What are you doing to prepare for, How was your road racing game been, though?

Like, not good. It depends on the weekend. It depends on the year. I mean, with Legacy, we went to Coda and qualified in the top 10 and made the second round. And then went back there last year. I felt even more confident. And we were like 32nd. Have you run Sim with a new track design yet?

Yeah. Yeah. It's not. fully like the visuals aren't fully there of what it'll look like last week when I ran it but this week I go Wednesday so it should be better but it's kind of hard to see I don't know it's going to make much of a difference on I just don't like the fact that we I feel like we eliminated two passing zones by doing this like that turn 11 was a really good pass zone and then 12 because you had such a long straightaway to 12 but I

I wasn't a fan of it, and we'll see how it plays out. But what do you guys... You guys... Just one car this week? Yeah, just one car. You're not bringing a road racing east. No, just one car and concentrate on that. But, yeah, we ran it a little bit last week, and same thing.

Couldn't see the corner. Yeah. I couldn't see it. Yeah. Like, is that, like, going to be blind when you're there? Or is this... I think it's just a same thing. I don't know.

I hope not. Hope not. Yeah, I hope not. It's certainly always easier to see. see I feel like in real life then the Sims are really good but it's that last 5 or 10% making

it feel exactly realistic is the hardest 5 or 10% to find to make it realistic so I couldn't see anything in 6A which is that new left-hander that's the one we cut off the S's right? Yeah so and then another thing

need to see is the track limits if it's still so I don't know so in our meeting, our spotter meeting at Daytona, they were talking about they're going to put kind of like walls up or at least tire stacks is what they told us to have a more defined area. Area where like if you hit these,

if you hit whatever this is, temporary wall, tire stack, whatever it is, you're off. You know, so it's more difficult because like I hated that last year. And I know you guys probably did too. Like just you don't know. Like you're just running through there. And if you just happen to be. You know if you have your left sides on the rumble strips

sir if you're inside of them. I didn't know. Or you're outside tire. If it's, you know, you have all four underneath it. Do you think there should be something like a wall, like a penalty like for, like if you get too far off or should it just be up to NASCAR to call it?

I mean, I feel like it's clear as day. If you cut it, you cut it. And if you don't, you don't. Like it's kind of like the tolerance deal. Like they give you a whole car with a tolerance essentially because you can have like I think of the right first right through the S is like you want to cut that as much as possible to get set up into the left and then to the right you have plenty of room to run through there that you know if you're not on the rumble strip with your left side tires through that right hand or okay you're going to get popped so I don't see an issue personally with it depends on how it

gets a little sketchy when you're following a car through there to see, but you're still feeling the rumble strip with the tires. So you know where you are. I think it's just guys trying to take more than they have and they already have a tolerance. And that's everything, though. So. Well, we wish you luck this weekend. We wish you luck this year. Take care of my buddy Drew, my buddy Joey. Joey's my neighbor. So just. Is he? Yeah, he lives around the block for me, him and Kelly. He's a good dude. He is a good dude.

He likes to get after it at times. He enjoys fireball about as much as I do. But we let you luck. Good luck to shoot. Thanks for coming by. Thank you. Anybody else you want to shout out before you take off out of here? Rusty, say how to Rusty again.

When's he on the car? Where's he coming back? Do you know? He's back this weekend. As I say, it's probably this week, right? I want to show the listeners. Russi's voice. You got a voice, ma'am?

You won't believe his voice. When that day John was within, when I say he's got a case of tequila with him, he doesn't bring bottles. Yeah, when he lands, he's got two. I would really like to meet. I would really like to meet. Two SUVs with the back of it.

He's got a freezer in the back. Minus four to minus six degrees with tequila in the back. Sometimes I'll pull the tequila bottle out and the whole block ice is stuck to the base. John was out one day and he's like, Let me watch us and make sure Yeah, make sure

We can cut it out Don't worry about So John's like I had a few He had just a little He had one shot left So I was like You know what I'm gonna do everybody in favor

I'll just finish his shot off So I'm gonna worry about this bottle So Rusty's like here you take the bottle John does the shot And throws the bottle out And goes against another bottle Out of truck John's like Fuck

He's like I thought we were done with this stuff I'm taking shit a minute I imagine we're 25 minutes out Do you need me to pick you up You want to come here Or whatever It don't make a hood Come on

I'm going to show it to you, Bubba. Don't make a hoot. Don't make a hoot. He is one of my favorite people in the sport. Put my cowboy hat on last. Put my cowboy hat on. He's the best. I love that.

Carson, what do you got going on this weekend? Cars tour starts this weekend. We're going to New River All-American. Jacksonville. Yeah, we talked about this last week. I know you don't keep up with me well. Who's going to win the cards? Do you have favorites?

No, I can't have favorites. Are you handing out black flags again this year? No, and I'm so God, I don't have to listen. to TJ run his fucking mouth about that anymore. As if I'm in the tower, please. Shout out who we got. Who's driving the house cars? Connor Hall.

Connor Hall and Caden Cople. Yeah. Good luck to them. And I guess we'll see you guys. I know you ran in some fans out. We've got a phone call from one of them. Seen a bunch of fans at the racetrack. All big Noah Gregson fans, of course.

But thanks for listening. We will see you guys next week. Appreciate it. See all. Cheers. Check out Dirty Moe Media. on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.