Door Bumper Clear - 362 - Homestead with Jamie McMurray: Larson's Road To G.O.A.T Status

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

This week on DBC, Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge are joined by former driver and current TV analyst Jamie McMurray-and have a big surprise for Jamie.The crew breaks down Kyle Larson's dominant weekend, the status of Homestead getting NASCAR Championship weekend back, Justin Allgaier's late race win in the Xfinity Series and more. Plus, Blaney fans are back in the tub on Reaction Theatre, and Tommy explains his side of the story from his viral South Boston altercation this past weekend.   Timestamps:45 - Jamie McMurray Joins29:45 - Spot On Spot Off1:00:22 - Reaction Theatre1:11:48 - #AskDBC1:20:36 - DBC Picks Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Door Bumper Clear merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Should we just go back to being assholes? Yeah, that's what we are, right? Let's continue being an asshole. I am probably closer to Tommy than anybody else in this sport. What the fuck are you talking about? I think the two of you definitely have being assholes covered. Who can really be a bitch when they want to be a bitch?

That was the first person to come to money. I try to stay calm. Here's what pisses me off about that. What is that supposed to be? Exactly what I said. Who are you? Who are you? Well, fuck it.

I guess we'll just go back to being ourselves. Yeah, we'll buckle up because you might get you feeling so. All right, everybody. Welcome back to Door, bumper clear this week. Coming off of another fantastic race in Homestead. Uh-oh. Hey, how's it going? Did we double book somebody?

I feel like I'm getting set up. Really? I don't know why you would think that. That was too obvious when I came in. Is that Darlington? Yes. Oh my God, that's awesome. You got to go to him now.

You can. This is why we had to start 30 minutes early. It's all making sense now. All right. Well, as we got started there, Carson Quaple interrupted us a little bit with a special reveal for Jamie. But we'll just do the normal introductions. Welcome back to DBC.

Tommy, nice to see you again. I'm glad you're still with us. Where'd I go? I just, you know, I don't know, you were, I was a little worried about you this weekend for some reason. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Were you a fighter growing up? Like, were you?

I don't believe that for a second. That was a rhetorical question. I just wanted to hear you say it. Yeah, Carson, I had no choice. I'm great. How are you, Freddie? I'm great. Carson Ellage, marketing and partnerships for the Cars Tour.

And I'm excited because this episode of Doorbunfer Clear today is brought to you by Bass Pro Shops. And Bass Pro Shops is North America's premier outdoor and conservation company, which is also pretty fitting for our guests today. And joining us today, the guest of honor, we kind of set them up this week. I didn't, I forgot to tell them that we were going to do this this morning. But we did bring in Jamie McMurray, Jamie. Jamie, welcome back to DVC. Yeah, I can't wait to see what else is in store. That was good.

I think that was going to be the exciting part of your day. Hopefully we don't get anything that exciting on this show today. Yeah, when you text me and told me to get here 30 minutes early, I'm like, that's fine. because I get up at, like, I'm a 5 or 6 a.m. guy every day anyway. But then last night when I was sitting on the airplane at 10 and I was still in Miami, I'm like, this kind of sucked tomorrow. Yeah, Jamie got home about three hours after me. They had a little...

Yeah, I did do the short straw. Yeah, airline issues. Not airline, shouldn't say. It's probably more... I don't know exactly who to blame it on. But anyway, how are you, sir? Has things, has a CW life. It's good.

It's super busy. You know, when Fox shut down the studio last year in June, I really didn't work from June until the Daytona 500 this year. And I got used to that. You know, it was, I mean, I was still kind of involved in TV discussions trying to get everything worked out. And as you're not working, you tend to bring on more because you're like, well, I don't have anything going on right now. I just, I'll do this, I'll do that, I'll do that. So I signed up for a lot, but it's been, it's been really fun.

The travel going back to the track was significantly harder than I remember. I know we joked around about getting home late last night, but just the West Coast trips, the sleeping in a hotel. I mean, I love getting to go back to the racetrack. I've had so much fun just seeing old friends or just, you know, people in the garage area. But that travel back and forth is taxing. Do you hear him? You hear him complaining?

Well, last time he was a race car driver. He had his own jet. He had his own motorhome. He had his bus driver to pick him up. He didn't have any travel issues. You're right. I mean, that's the rest. And I tell everybody when they ask me about TV, they're like, what's that like?

And I'm like, well, I had to grow up. I'm like, that's kind of the bottom line because you don't have people helping you with everything. I mean, just something as simple as a schedule for the weekend. You know, like I used to just get an email. This is your schedule. This is where you need to be. And now I send that email. I'm the scheduled.

And it's interesting, too, for me, because, you know, when you have Fox and NBC doing the Cup series, they basically do half a year each. You know, you're signed up full time. I mean, O'CW's covering all the Xfinity races this year. Yeah, but even when Fox only had half of the season, because we still did Hub and because I did pre-race, we still did a pre-race show. Actually, I think we did do it just about every single weekend.

On Sunday, it would come on before the NBC pre-race show. So, but the studio was just easy because it's here, right? I mean, like it was 40 minutes from my house. You would, you'd get there fairly early, but when the race was over, checkered flag, you were home an hour later. And that was a big deal. I mean, like 10 o'clock was a late night.

Yeah, and I know this week you guys kind of unveiled the new virtual studio. How was that? I know it's not very popular with some of our fans where the guys aren't at the racetrack, but how do you feel about it? Yeah, and I'm glad you bring that up because I feel like fans think that we want to be at the track. And we do like to be at the track. I don't want to take anything away from that.

But the tools that we have at the studio here in Concord are better than what we have at the track. the monitors, everything that we have is better. And when you do a race, even from the racetrack, you don't look out the window. Or you can, and you can talk about stuff that people can't see on TV, but if they can't see it on TV,

they don't know what you're talking about. And we've heard everybody say, we got a spin! And then they're like, never mind, he got it. And then they're like, well, what was that? Because I couldn't see it. So, being at the studio, I think there's a really good balance

with CW right now of going to the track, We went to the first five races. We're going to do the Amazon and Turner section from the track. We'll be at the track for Phoenix. But then there's going to be some that we're not. But like the road races, road course tracks, there's no reason to go to the track because you can't see anything. Like I mean, at Kota, you could see like one second of the racetrack and you're just looking at the monitor, which is what we're going to do anyway. But other than being able to go to the garage, that studio is pretty awesome.

And the pre-race studio that they built, they have this like 17 foot by 7. 60-foot LED screen wall that we debuted this weekend. It's going to be really good when they get all the software, all the tools, all the things that we can do within that studio. That's going to be really good. It's a little bit behind that. They wanted to have that for Daytona, but it's a little bit behind. And I would say that the other thing that I've learned about being in the garage or being

at the track is when I go to, like Adam and I'll go to the garage together and you walk in the trailer and you spend like 45 minutes in one trailer. And so I say that because you only get to see about two people in the garage when you go down there because you just get caught up in conversation and racing. And so you're like, well, I'm going to go to, like I'll make a list of here's who I want to go see. But you don't see any of them because you get in there and you just get to talking. And so what we have done, we're going to set up like not shop tours, but just meetings at shops where the whole group can come in, whether it's Adam and I and Parker or the producers, whoever wants to come from. from NASCAR productions or the CW network, come to shop and spend two or three hours

and kind of get our information during the week. And I almost feel like that's better because, and Tommy would be a good one to ask on this, when you're at the shop, you're not worried about the race. And like when we go to the track, I can tell when we walk in, the crew chiefs look up and they're like,

oh, like here they are. Like, you know, and they want to help you, but they're also like, I'm busy, I'm doing something. So I think being at the shop might be better. Yeah, it would help. Yeah, you'll probably get more information for sure. Switching gears, obviously,

Carter, starting his racing career now. You've ended up somehow in a modified series, which, do you have any backgrounds with modified that? I had seen a modified,

like, three times, and it was because of Bono. I was just saying, yeah. Like I would go, you know, Gary, Bono, Newman would drive it. Were you involved in that?

No, but they ran my dad's number. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So at Loudon, we would get there. And I mean, the reality is that Loudoun, that's the best race. I mean, it's not even close. That's by far the best race every single weekend. So I would go down there and hang out with them just a little bit,

just because to be supportive and instead of sitting in my motorhome, I'd go over to the garage. But no, I knew nothing about it. I knew. I just knew everyone that had one talked funny is what I remember. You'd go to the garage and you're like, oh, yeah, it's like a different language over here, you know? So no, and I had no intentions, I don't know, four months ago of ever putting my kid in one of those, But it just, and I don't even know how it all worked out, but I went to South Boston last year with Hermie, Sadler,

to watch the races. And the one thing about the modified that I was really, that I enjoyed, is there's a lot of tire fall off. So it teaches a kid to manage, because Carter had been running these legend cars, and they think there's tire fall off, right? Like he's like, I'm managing my tires, dad. And I'm like, okay, I'm like, well, you only fell off a 10th and a half,

so I don't know much managing's going on there, but it's not much. you know, so there's that. There's a lot of power. And there are 100 lap races, which is really good. You know, as a kid, I remember running, I don't know, 25 lap, 30 lap, a 50 lap, or was a huge late model race when I was a kid. And so the length of those races, I think, is really good.

And it's also significantly more affordable than a late model. I mean, when you look at what it costs going to a late model, it was crazy. Like, I don't know where all those dads work, but they don't work where I do. Like, it's expensive. Yeah. Is there any chance we're going to see you try to fight 20 people at one time? There is zero chance that you'll see me fight it. I love racing. I just am not going to fight over it. I don't know. And I saw Tommy and I saw the biggest vein I've ever seen in my life sticking out of his neck when he was yelling. I saw him trying to fight the tow truck guy. I was not. The official. I was choking me and I was like, are you done choking me? What are you doing? Get away from me. Yeah, I don't know.

My wife called me. She's like, did you see what happened? And I'm like, not yet. That's what I'm going to start looking. And she's like, well, Luke's dad was really mad. She's like, I can tell you, she's like, he was really upset. And I'm like, yeah, I've seen that before. There he is.

Vane, pop and I look at TV right there. That's your new contact photo on my phone. Oh, it's not happening. I made that your contact photo. What's the EMS guy saying right there? Sir, you're getting ready to have a stroke. Please stop that. Hey, all I can hear is I watch that piece.

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, like everyone's screaming. There were about 85 people yelling Tommy's name. I was just trying to tell everybody, just keep your hands off me, leave me alone. Just don't touch me. That's exactly how it came out. Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. That's what I heard. That's a big hit.

Are we showing that right now? I mean, we could talk, whatever you want to talk about. We can talk about the shit show, Hall of Fame. Obviously, these two had a run in. Jay Crum and Jack Baldwin had a run in a couple weeks ago at Anderson, I think it was. Yeah. And I, you know, obviously everybody's going to say we're homers because Tommy's sitting here. I thought this was, I'll say it for you, Tommy, because I know if you say it sounds even worse.

But it looked to me like Jack got loose underneath Jake overcorrected it and stuffed them both in the wall. I didn't appreciate this part where you dragged the guy out of the car while he's kind of still in there. But he didn't seem to want to fight once Jack kind of got turned around. But yeah, I don't know. It's just it's hard racing. That modified deal like Jamie knows. I just watching these. I mean, these guys are getting after it.

it's let me let me interrupt you here because i i view every wreck the way that i would with my kid right like and i try to put him in in both positions and the thing that i've told carters is i'm like listen if someone gets underneath you you can race the crap out of them and if they get loose and and they get into and you're both wrecked you didn't really win anything so you got to give room on both sides and i was like if you're on the flip side that if you're underneath somebody you have to control your car enough that if you get loose or that you can catch it, right? And so, I mean, when I look at that, I'm like, well, the guy on the outside should have

given probably a little bit more room, right? But there's a history between those two, and that's something that you just, it's hard to put it in perspective because I'm not in their shoes on those. But, you know, to give them both credit, they race side by side for two laps before that, and Jack just got loose. And what happens, he got loose really early. And what happened was it was right when they were next to each other. And when he got loose, the right rear hooked crumbs left rear.

And when the front snapped, it took his hand out. It took the hands off his steering wheel. And it was over. And then, you know, I thought the left rear, when, so I was on, see that white trailer? I was on top of the white trailer watching the race. And I was even on the top of the trailer when they were fighting, you know, not fighting, but pushing each other. I wasn't even, I wasn't even doing anything. The only time I got off the trailers when they started asking Jack to get into the

ambulance. So I thought, oh, maybe because his ankle was broke. You're scared a little bit, right? Well, I was like, did he re-break his ankle or did his wrist get hurt? So I only went down there to check on him. Jake walked by me and said, hey, man, I think the left rear went down. He told me to go F myself. I said to go F myself. But when I said that,

when I, in no big deal. It was like, in passing, I wasn't even worried about him. I didn't care about Jake. They all tell you that. They all tell you that. It's a normal conversation. I didn't even care about Jake from that time. I was, I was glad he was okay. because it was a hard hit, but I didn't even care about him at the whole time. But see all these guys in the gray shirts?

They're all Jamie Tomatoes guys that don't even work on the car, right? They got a T-shirt showing up, and now they think they're part of the team. This guy, what they had, I don't even know who he is. So all these guys, this big guy, big doofy guy, right? He thinks who he is,

and then they start running their mouths, right? So now everybody's, then you got the guy in the tow truck, right? He starts choking me later on, right? It's like, what are you guys doing? They start running their mouths, and that's what pissed me off. Tommy was going to throw that headset until he realized he owned it. 250, you're right there.

He's like, this one ain't ricks. This one's mine. We're going to have to keep this one. These guys, man, it just... The one thing about that track that, I mean, so we're three races in. We've been to Florence and Anderson where there's a lot of falloff, right? And I asked Carter about that. I'm like, was it fun?

And he's like, well, Florence wasn't until the end when you could go. he's like, because you're riding around just kind of saving your stuff. When we got to South Boston, I went down to the turn one, and I watched the first laugh, I'm like, oh my God, are they fast? Like, I thought the throttle hung.

Like everyone, they just drive in so deep. They don't really use any brake. The car turns, and to me, it makes it one of the harder tracks to run side by side because the top was a little better. And so when you're on the inside, you have the less distance,

but you don't have the grip, you don't have the momentum. I'm like, man, I watched the race there last year and they wrecked the whole field. And that's what they did again this year. It's just way, it's fast. Fast. And there's no room for error there.

And, you know, unfortunately, the past history. I mean, look, the Baldwin's and Tomorrhoes have been together, I mean, a very long time. I mean, I've known them since I was 10 years old. So does Crumb Drive? For Jamie Tomato. And there's. Because I recognize that name. And look, I talked to Jamie after.

Had two good conversations with him went over. I do not want to cost Jamie Tomeo any money, right? I would never intentionally wreck Jamie's car. Even if after the crumb took Jack out at Anderson, I would never do that. I know how much it costs. It's cost me now two destroyed race cars, two weeks in a row. So we're not out to wreck him.

And, you know, Jake's tried to talk to me a couple times. He talked to me. He found out he paid the tire bill for me yesterday. Now I'm going to have to pay his tire bill, right? Now I'm pissed. It's going to cost me another $1,000, right? I mean, but it's like, I don't want to, ruined Jamie

he works too hard right so I don't want to cost anybody money so it's just an unfortunate incident I hope it's now it's like look it's over let's move on let's stay away from each other let's race

yeah I just hope for a couple more videos like that one throughout the year but maybe we'll get Jamie well you're two for two in years right now right wasn't there one last year again another stupid situation but yeah yeah exactly so I'll go into someday

I'll tell the whole story. But anyway. Anyway. The best part about this is now we have, we get to show Flo's coverage. Yeah, thanks to Tommy, we get to, we get to leave the show all flow. Thank you, Flo, for allowing us to show clips now. On anything. That's been, like, life-changing for a race band.

Absolutely. The whole Flow sports. Oh, yeah. I got about my dad that for Christmas. My dad, like, if there's nothing on TV, there's a race on somewhere. Tuesday nights. I loved watching a dirt racing up in New Orleans. You can just watch anything.

24-7. That has been, yeah, I didn't even, like I had heard a flow, but then when we started running the legend cars, those are on. And so I'm like, well, I'm going to get the subscription. I just didn't realize everything else that went with it. It's unbelievable. And they're still at it. I mean, it's crazy.

All right, we don't. We can't, we can't, we can't get mad at this. Yeah, we should talk about modified. Too much modified, Tom. We said I was going to do, me and Tommy are going to do the show. He's like, I don't care. As long as it don't turn into a modified show. Yeah, well, that has.

Let's just keep talking about modified. So, so, that's right. So aside from Tommy's weekend, how was Homestead for y'all? Really good for us, obviously. I thought it was a fantastic race. If you're a racing purist, I think it was an awesome race. I've seen some people complaining about lack of cautions, but I thought that was the great race for Bubba.

Really, really good race. Probably should have got stage points in the second. The first stage, kind of, I allowed him to choose the wrong lane when I should have just made him pick. He picked behind the 71, who was on two tires, thinking we were going to have room to make. maneuver in one and two to have a hole to get around them and we just didn't we kind of got boxed in noa kind of ran us in the fence then joey kind of ran us in the fence so it kicked us from like

seventh or eighth back to 12th i think we finished but then from that point on just really really good race card bubba did a great job running that slider line in one and two and uh we just were able to get up there get to the lead finally held off larsson for a little while at homestead which is pretty impressive and then uh you know just didn't have the raw speed at the end i think to hold them guys off. Bowman was catching us and he got in the Fence in three a little bit and that allowed Bowman to get us.

And then as you guys know, like once you lose all your clean, like even one car in front of you will tighten your race car up just enough to where you're not as good as where you were. And so that was kind of it. And then we just, but thank God. I caught myself, and you guys know this, you know, race car driver, crew chief.

I caught myself because our pit crew has been amazing this year. And we're there, three to go, five to go. We're running third. And I'm like, man, if we just catch a yellow, I was like, if we just get a yellow, we get, you know, we might be able to beat these guys off pit road. And we were really good on a short run.

So I was like, and then I'm like, no, fuck that. After the last two months, just finish third, please. No yellow. Get out of here. I came over to you at the start of the third stage. I'm like, now, Freddie? He's like, I know. I said, you have messed these races up the last two, three weeks.

Do you spot? No, but I go up there. He just stand up there. How bad did Bubba scare the shit out of you at the end when he said he had a tire going down? Did you see this? He's coming down to backstretch. I'm coming to the checker. He's like, oh, I got a tire down.

I'm like, I see he goes into three hard. I'm like, you're a fucking asshole. I would be scared of karma. Oh, yeah, like,

I mean, yeah, that's the thing, like, oh my God, like, it's funny to say that, but what are you going to do

if the thing blows in the middle of three and four now? Yeah, it was just, you got to admit, he's in a different place now, man. He said,

it took him a couple of years, right, but he's in a whole different world right now. And like, to me, it's just, the becks, you know,

having that baby is like a whole different mindset. Like, He gets to go home and see him or he goes to the bus and sees him. And it kind of just brightens his whole day up. And he's just in a world where bad days aren't so bad and good days are great. And it's just a total year for mindset for him. I think it shows on a racetrack.

I got to know him really well this summer because he came around the legend car at the summer shootout. And I was sitting next to Bubba. What did he get penalized for? What did he get in trouble for? He did something. I forget. He got a fine. I don't remember what it was.

I know he went in somebody's trailer, but I don't think that was it. I don't remember. but it might have been it. He went in McElerney's trailer one night looking for him, I think. So he got this fine, and we were out there on Tuesday. Oh, no, he got the fine. Yeah, the big track. It was for running into Bowman in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So we're sitting at the track and hits a thousand degrees out in the middle of summer in Charlotte. And I walk up and I sat in a chair next to him. And I did not, I mean, I knew that he was going to get in trouble, but I didn't know the timing of everything. I sit down next to him and he's like, man, I'm hot. And I was like, yeah, it's hot. And I was like, yeah, it's

didn't it. And he's like, he's like, no. And he goes in. He's like, it was it 50,000 or something? Yeah, he's like, I just got fined 50,000. I'm like, oh man, I'm sorry. I was like, I wasn't real sure what you're talking about right there. And so I can tell that he's mad. And at that moment, this little girl walked up with a, I think it was a Lego of his car. And her mom was there. And she's approaching him. And I was like, this could go two ways, right? Because he's mad right now. And she never knew. Like he got up, took a picture with her, you know, and the parent told the story of like, we're out here each week and we're a fan of yours. And Bubba was so nice to her. And he sat back down and I was like, I'm really proud of you right now. I'm like, because I know mentally where your head was.

And it's, it's the timing of fans sometimes is the impression that you leave on them and it can be a bad one. And I was like, you did a really good job. I'm like, they didn't know how upset you were. And I tell you that story because Harvick was out there every weekend. to, and Kevin and I would sit and talk about, I wish that everyone knew Bubba that we know, right? Because he's pretty funny.

Like, he's witty, he's funny, and he's a really nice guy, but he wears his emotions on his shoulder. And sometimes you don't get to see the, because I would tell you, I probably wasn't a Bubba fan prior to really getting to know him. And Kevin and I've talked about, like, gosh, I wish that we could on TV be able to show the Bubba that you see behind the scenes. Yeah, I mean, I've always told people that forever because this is my 16th year spotting for him. And, you know, but obviously coming from me, everybody's like, yeah, whatever.

That's not fair. Yeah. That's why I wanted to tell that because, like, I'm un-opinionated on him, right? Like, he's a good guy. Anybody that tells me, like, Bub is a piece of shit or something. Like, you can have your opinions about Bubba for whatever reason you want to, but, like, you can't tell me he's a bad guy. You can't tell me he's a bad race car driver. That's right.

You know what I mean? So it's just, but anyway, moving on from that dumb ass for the last lap. Thomas, how was, I know, probably not a great week, but not a bad. I'll tell you, the finish doesn't show, but we made a lot of gains this week. We worked really hard. I'm proud of the guys. We were a little off in the beginning of race and fell two laps down, but the last two stages we held our own stayed right there. Stayed, you know, with the group of guys, we probably would race all day long.

Look, we're not looking for wins, right? With Cody, we're looking to gain some experience with him, you know, have him learn a little bit more about the car. And, you know, we were shooting, we shoot for 28th place finished, to be honest with you right now. And obviously, we didn't get it. But the car was pretty good. We made a lot of gains during the race. And he worked hard all week. I was proud of everybody.

But we got to keep working, man. I mean, it's a big boy sport, right? It's the big leagues. And he knows all the pressure. I mean, it's, he came in last year, you know, he didn't have any pressure, right? He was the second car. He ran nine races very quietly. And he had a couple.

Yeah, he ran good. Yeah, he ran good, you know. He's got the whole organization on his shoulders right now because we only have one car, right? The other car is leased that Ryan Priest is driving right now, and he's got a lot of pressure. And he's just, you know, look, man, he's like Cody, take a break, go some, let's go have some fun and do some racing. And like we were last year. And we went there with that approach this week. And it was a good week.

You know, I think that we executed well. We didn't have any problems. And came out of everywhere to clean race car and keep working. I think we saw three really, really good races. I mean, Larsen kind of stunk up Saturday until the last restart. But truck race was phenomenal, I thought. You know, I haven't used that word on here in a while. But Heim, Larson, Riggs, them guys went at it.

You know, and I think Corey had them all covered. But unfortunately, his truck started shutting off. I think it was a burnt-up wire or something that cost him. But, I mean, I thought he was going away going to win this thing. And then all of a sudden now we've got a race on our hands where, you know, the 34 is passing him every time it shuts off. He goes back, pass him back. Here comes Larson from the tail, ripping the fence.

I just thought it was a really good race on Friday night. It's always a good race when his tire fall off, right, Jamie? I mean... Yeah, and I don't know that it's just tire fall off. I think it's when you have options, right? And the one thing that stuck out all weekend was Kyle... Kyle just doesn't have as much as everybody else, right? Like, you watch the races, and his falloff just not as much as others

because of that line he can run. and my appreciation for Homestead is that I know how hard. I know how hard the track is. Not just running the wall, just the track in general. But to watch what Kyle, not just Kyle, there's Noah can do it. There's a few, Reddit can do it. There's a few guys that can do it. But Kyle just can do it lap after lap after lap after.

And it's like he's a quarter inch off the wall. And I just, like, I know what it's like to sit in the car and every straightway be like, all right, here we go. I'm doing it one more time. I'm like, hopefully I don't hit it on entry because I got to get right against it. but damn he did it in all three races and it's and then like and I said this during the Xfinity race

he wasn't just fast on the top he was fast on the bottom like he just I don't know it's it's amazing to watch what he can do at that track when we when I was watching the Xfinity practice and he was in the opposite group of us so I was able to watch pretty much all his run he would you know he was everybody had the same thing they'd run a fast lap then they'd fall off

you know a second or so once he got to about a second second half off everybody kept going off except for Kyle Kyle would, now he starts creeping back the other way, a tenth faster, a tenth faster, which is unheard of there. And I'm like, oh my God, this is going to be trouble for these guys. Yeah, and like, I looked up and he was, I don't know, six seconds behind with 17 laps to go, and I'm like, I don't know. And then I heard him on TV be like, well, he was three quarters of a second faster that lap. And what happens if you're the guys in front is they tell you that, and you're

like, oh my God, I got to figure it out. And then you start going slower because you're trying to make the top work. And I don't know, man, that guy, when he was my team, made it, Gannasi. I remember he was in like the 51 the first time we went there and he could do it then too, like super fast. I don't know if the motor but something happened. He didn't finish very well but when we went to test the next year I was like well I'm going to

figure this out. I'm going to figure this out right. Well I spent two days, 14 right sides, tails and I never figured it. I mean here's the thing, everybody can do it. They just can't do it at the pace that he did. I mean he'll just charge the corner and you're like well I don't I don't understand that this doesn't make sense that you can drive in

harder than me and not hit the wall, but he can. I remember Bubba was running a truck. I think it was the second year he ran the truck at KBM, and we got to Homestead, his last race of the year, and we were the fastest truck on track practice, and all of a sudden Larson jumps us. And I'm like, how do you jump us? He's on old tires. Right.

So then I'm like, oh, shit. Like, look, and he's just doing running his line. You know, so he ends up running us down, catching us, passing us. And I'm like, this is the line. This is way faster. Like a second fast than you right now. now. And we drove Bubba drives into one behind him and he's just like, he's like, fuck off. He's like, no chance I can do that.

My favorite line of the weekend and my favorite thing to do, Casey Kane would do this all the time because Casey could run the top really well. And Casey would pass, you would think you were running high first off. You'd be like, because if you think about it like 15 years ago, people when they said they ran high, they just weren't on the white line, right? And so you would think you were high. And Casey would roll around you on the outside. And while he was rolling around you on the outside, he would like stick his hand out the window. And it was like a really relaxed, I'm not doing anything, wave. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm like swatting flies in here, you know. And I heard Jesse Love say, Larson like whipped around him on the top and then he like gave him the

peace sign out of the window. And I'm like, yeah, that's what you do, right? And it was fun because even though you're working hard in the car, you don't want anyone else to think that you are. Right. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. Bass Pro Shop's history with racing runs deep. Their iconic schemes are true classics of the sport. On or off the track, Bass Pro Shop supports fans, drivers, and teams, and for years it has been the go-to destination for all your outdoor needs. Just as racing spans across generations, the love for being outdoors does too. From family fishing adventures to spring break camping trips, Bass Pro Shops has all you need to gear up for adventure. And at Bass Pro, club members enjoy special savings and earn points towards

free gear, so you get rewarded while buying what you need for your next adventure or for the outdoor enthusiast in your life. Club members can save on gear and support conservation at the same time. So what are you waiting for? Head over to your local Bass Pro Shop's location. Your adventure starts here. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I mean, I think he's a whiny bitch. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. Topic number one, spot on, spot off. Pit Strategy. Denny Hamlin and Kyle Larson split the stages in half and ran long in the pit cycle than Ryan Blaney and most of the front runners was this the winning move, Freddie.

I mean, obviously it wasn't the winning move. I mean, for that stage it was. That stage to me, that second stage of that race was the perfect race, in my opinion. You know, if I could script a race, that's what you want to see. You want to see the guys out front, you know, somebody just do something different. You know, I felt like Blaney was the best car at that point. He was kind of checked out, maybe too much so to where he burned his shit up and then he started a struggle in traffic where I think it was McDowell and maybe Riley, they were kind of

racing each other trying to stay on the lead lap and he was having a really hard time passing him because I think he was just out of tire at that point. But so now that kind of brings them guys back into play because I don't know that they would have ran him down on raw speed, but once he started getting held up a little bit, you know, we saw it coming, you know, we like we pit at about lap 30 of that run, which meant we had 45 laps to go. Them guys pit seven or eight laps after us. So even just that eight lap advantage, they were able to run us down from, I mean, over a straightaway back. But to me, that's what you want to watch. I hope it's played out on the way on TV.

I know for the people there in the stands it played out that way. But you're sitting there watching, all right, these guys have been leading. But now here are these other guys come and are they going to be able to get there? Now they're going to race each other for the stage win once they do run down the guys that stay down on all tires. Jamie, I think that's just the perfect race for me or the perfect thing to watch especially. Yeah, and I feel like at home you don't watch that race because you're just kind of watching what's on the screen. But it's like if you're spotting or for a TV booth, you have timing and scoring. and you can see, you're like, ooh, it's leveled out, now it's going to start playing,

and you're looking at the gap that they have. But I just, the only way that you can make that splitting it and half work is if you're really good on the longer run and you don't have the falloff, right, that some of those other guys do. And I would assume that pitting a little bit early, you must be banking on getting the caution, right? Like you kind of capitalize on the shorter run speed and then maybe getting the caution at the end of the stage like they did in stage one.

Blamey, though. I thought best car. I mean, as I watched him, he wasn't using all the racetrack most of the time. Like, he was kind of around the line. Bubba did, like just a little bit lower. And to me, that's made Homestead almost better, where it's like you don't just have to run against the wall. Like, all those guys could make good time a lane or two down. But, I mean, yeah, you said it.

Like, I think if you're a purist and you just love racing, like that's what you would want to have every single week. Like some people that can go on the short run, you can have a little different strategy. that's what makes Richmond, I think, interesting. It's like the one or two stops. Yeah, I thought it was really entertaining. The strategy, again, what they knew what to do, I mean, what they get there, two laps to go at the end of the stage? Yeah, to pass them.

But on a normal basis, when you're running in the middle of the pack and you're racing with a group of guys, you actually want to pit a couple laps early before them to get ahead of them, get cleaner air. When you're a leader, when you're in a top three or four, it's a little bit different situation, right, because you're going to always be kind of in clean air, unless you come back out with the group of guys

that still haven't changed tires, right? And they're a gaggle of cars, and it's costing you some time. So it all depends on where you're running on what you want to do on either stopping short or stopping long. But again, the five car did it, yes, but the Gibbs group again, the 11 car, weighted, waited, waited, pitted at the end.

It's almost like they don't react to the others, right? Like, was that fair? I just feel like, it's like they're like, we're going to look at our lap times. If we don't fall off to this point, we're going to stay out, we're going to split it in half, and we're just going to commit to our race. And I think that's hard to do. Because like you said, if you're running a group of four or five cars, you just want to put one lap early, leapfrog them, and you're like, hopefully you can hold them off then for the rest of it.

It's three seconds, right? It's a huge. It's a three-second jump, right? So once you get out there, if you get one or two laps, okay, you're not going to pick up those three seconds. You're going to pick up maybe two seconds, but it's going to be two late. So it all depends on where you're running, right? What position you're running to strategy you need to do. And I think a lot of times people get caught out with, you know, pitting too soon after somebody. So, you know, you're racing. If somebody's right behind you,

you're racing and they pit. Well, now you're kind of screwed because no matter what, they're going to jump you. So now don't react and pit right away because now all you're going to do is put yourself behind them on equal tires. You know what I mean? You know, so you got to have patience. You got to wait now. Now you have to box yourself into where you got to wait four or five laps to at least have an advantage on them when you do come back out. So it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, we had code words yesterday that we're like, you know, I'm going to say this and it's going to sound like I'm wanting you to pit, but you're actually going to stay out, you know, just in case we were leading and you want to trick the guy, you know, pit, pit, pit, meant, you know,

maybe that meant stay out or whatever it was, but then like, so now you're trying to trick them into pitting early, so then you can, you know, whatever it was. So it's just, you know, it's, it's a cat and mouse game that it's, but it's just, it's just so much fun to watch. And I, it's, it's funny you bring up Richmond because I was listening to Teardown last night, obviously, my boys, Jeff and Jordan. And Jeff mentioned Richmond about not liking that there, not liking that. Why? I don't know. I don't know.

He said, I would disagree with that. Me too. He said that, you know, because it's a short track, he wanted just like kind of nonstop action, which I think that is nonstop action. I didn't really understand the point, but like, I love that about Richmond. That's why I hate that we're not going back there twice this year because you saw that too. And a lot of, and the other thing that helps these strategies play out is green flags.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Because, you know, you don't get to see this if we have a caution in the middle of the stage like we did in the last stage. You know, you're... And I think that's where it gets hard at home sometimes is because you're like, well, I want them to get back in a restart and see the fan out. But the reality is what makes it so much fun, as you said it, with two laps to go, you're like, they're going to win. They're going to get there and be able to get by them. And that's kind of fun to watch that for 15 minutes play out.

And how hard is that... How hard is it? Obviously, you know, we can only see... You can't show the aerial view of the... I mean, you can, but you're not going to stay on it. You know, how hard is that to paint that picture for the people at home of? I know you're watching these three guys battle for the lead, but there's two more guys coming, you know. I think the hard part with TV is that you, if we're all watching the race together, you can, like, touch somebody and be like, watch.

This is what's going to happen. The problem with people watching the race at home is that they'll get on the internet while you're trying to explain something. And if they miss a key moment that you've said, they look up and they're like, well, what the hell happened? And you're like, I can't help you now. I already kind of said it once. And so I think that makes it a little bit difficult to follow at home on TV is that, you know, the people's attention is limited. And you're not, maybe you got to went to the restroom when all that was going on. So I think that that makes it hard.

But it's really fun as a fan to watch all that play out. And as a driver, you know, being out there, when you see people pit, you're like, are we pitting? What are we doing, right? Because as a driver, I always wanted to pit first, right? I'll take the immediate reward of like the three seconds or whatever and getting to head. head and then just kind of hoping that a caution comes out. And I think it's even, it can be driver to driver. You know what I mean?

Like I think Denny has done that so much at a place like homestead. He's good with it. He's amazing. You know what I mean? Bubba, on the other hand, like sometimes we've tried that with Bubba and we kind of in years past have struggled to get through traffic. So we were better off being the one that pitted at lap 30, get to third place and then we bleed two spots and still finish fifth versus, you know, maybe we, we run long.

We come out of the pits wherever, wherever they came out, 12, 15th, probably. and try to drive back up to fifth might have been a little bit more challenging for us where them guys kind of cut through the field. So it could be driver to driver. You've got to know what you're working with. And like you said, the Gibbs guys, and obviously Larson is just Larson.

Well, Larson obviously has an advantage there, right? Jamie, I mean, he can rip the top. You know, him and Reddick are the only ones that go in it from the start finish line to the start finish line. They are riding that well. Unbelievable. I know. Well, and like I looked up at one point yesterday

and Larson had lost, I'm like, ooh, he doesn't have the speed now. But as you said a second ago, his just stayed there. And all of a sudden, everyone in front of him, they kept getting slower. And you're like, yeah, he might have a chance now. I thought the end of those, both the end of those races,

the truck race and the, you know, the funny thing was the race he dominated the most was the only one he didn't win all weekend. And then, but the end of those races, the end of the truck race, the long green flag run played right in the Larson's hands. Same thing with the cup race. Once you get it worn out and you're sliding around more and more,

he's going to show up. It was weird, though, Horyheim. Like, I think he could have beat him on the bottom. I agree. It was crazy. Like, how's he that fast around the bottom of the track? It was really impressive. It seems to me like the bottom hangs on a little bit longer at night, at night, especially.

You know, like, you know, because I mean, Austin Hill last year, did a really good job winning the race down there. So it's just, you know, whatever it is. But, again, I think Corey Hyne probably was going to outrun Larson if straight up, he doesn't have any issues. But, you know, unfortunately he did it. There was a lot of discussion heading into the Xfinity Series race. The week, like, leading into it about the tops not dominant anymore.

and because Austin Hill won the Xfinity race the year before not running the top. And I just was, I was trying to not be a know-it-all, but I'm like, do you think that's because Kyle Larson wasn't in the race or Noah wasn't in the race? Because, like I said, people can run the wall, and then there's like three or four people that you're like, well, they're just in a different league. And to me, if you take Larson out of the Xfinity Series race, you didn't have to run the wall. Like, you could have won running the lane off, right? For sure.

Speaking of the Xfinity race, Sam Mayer. gets into the back of Kyle Larson before they launched on the final restart. Justin Allgaier was able to take advantage and steal the win in the Xfinity Series race. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Well, I mean, like Freddie and I talked about yesterday, I don't know whose fault. Whose fault really was that, you think, Freddie? Yeah, I mean, it was at the end of the day,

Sam should have known better than just way lay the back of Kyle. But my opinion and Jamie, you could talk to this, because obviously you've been in this position before. I feel like the longer you wait in that restart zone, you're asking for trouble. Yeah. Do you say spot on first, Clint? Clint. Don't ever call me Clint. That's what I'm just laughing because I feel like every week we do these like, and Clint will just like start rambling.

And I'm like, oh, hell you didn't answer the. Well, we rambled a lot here. So I was listening to your call yesterday and Clint rambles. Tommy wrote with me to the track yesterday. and we did a Zoom call for our pre-race meeting, and I had it on speaker, and I'm like, I just kept looking at him. I'm like, every week.

It's the same interesting story every week. I don't even know if it's a story. No, it's not. It's just Clint being Clint. Yeah. I don't know, man. Like, when you wait that late in the box, everyone's getting antsy, right?

Yeah. Like, when you're leading, when is it best to take off? I know the second place guy knows when it's best to take off early, right? Right. Right. But, well, my, what I said as they were coming to the green and Austin Hill was on the outside, I'm like, if I'm in that position, I'm going to try to jump the restart. And I'll take my chances because even if I launch a little early, I'm going to have a little wheel spin. I'm probably not going to beat him to the line. And I just, it's hard to say Kyle did something wrong because he's so good here. But clearly if he could take that back, he would have went quicker, like earlier in the zone. The problem with here is that you're so, like the. the inside launch is better. So that's the preferred lane to be in on the launch, but you're vulnerable as you get down with having to block the guy in third.

And if you had to bet money on who had the better short run car, the 41 had a better short run car. And I think Kyle knew that. And so then there's like some games being played right there. But it's so unfortunate. You said it. Like he didn't have the best truck and he probably didn't have the best cup car throughout the race. And he won both of those.

And he just, it was a different league in the Xfinity race. It's just, you know, like it's everybody around you. you, any restart, no matter where you're running, but the leader especially, is trying to take advantage of you. You know what I mean? The guy's behind you's probably laying back a little bit. The guy on the outside's trying to go a little bit early. Nobody's reacting to what Kyle does. They're all trying to anticipate and get a run. So, you know, the leader technically is supposed to be the first one to fire, but it's, you know, that's never really the case. And that's a hard one because you get, there's so much wheel spin there, right? Like, I think it's

hard for NASCAR to call that. Yeah, I just think it's, I think it's one of them places where you mentioned to Jamie that, you know, the bottom lane just gets a better fire off. Seems like all the time. That's why the leader always chooses the bottom. And I just think that, like you said, if he could have it back, I think he definitely would have just kind of tried to take off and been gone. One thing that I love about Larson, though, and I don't just want to like just praise him this whole show, but I don't think we're going to have a choice. But like, he, like, he doesn't complain, right? Like, you could tell he was mad at Sam Mayer, and he kind of tried to, like, slam him a little bit. And then he was like, but I probably would have done the same thing. Right? I mean,

he just like, and I think that's what makes Larson so likable, is that even when it doesn't go his way, he's like, I see the other guys the side of it. Yeah. And shout out to Allgaier, because, I mean, about time, he got one back. Yeah, there's been so many races. As many he's given away in the last two or three years, he's finally got one back. You know, he never, ever finished in the top five at Homestead. Really? As we headed into that race, you know, he led 57% of the laps at Phoenix and Vegas, just dominated those races. And so you would think. that that made him a favorite going to Miami and I looked he'd never had a top five

and honestly like he'd run well but he always got into the wall and could never put the whole race together so it's pretty cool though to see him not have the best car and he made a mistake here was he was he too many boxes or he was he had some kind of pit road penalty I don't remember he might have just spent I don't remember I don't think that was him was it I don't know it was you're right he did

drove through four pit stalls yeah that's exactly right but yeah I mean and what a swing I mean he's when the yellow come out for Taylor Gray spinning there he was 25 seconds behind I think Going to get lapped. The whole field was 25 seconds back. That was insane. What do you lap up to like six?

Fourth. The fifth place car was the... Jesse Love was the lucky dog. Lord. I think he was fifth. Might have been six. I can't remember. That was crazy.

It was a long ways. It was, yeah, it was 16 second lead. I think he had over a half a track lead on second. Nice. All right. Jordan Bianchi said on the tear down that the city of Homestead would like to put together a financial package to entice NASCAR to host the championship race in 2026, the vice mayor.

I didn't know there was such thing as a vice mayor. The vice mayor of Homestead put it at a 70-30 chance that it's going to happen. Spot on, spot off. Ready. I mean, I know you vote for Homestead. Yeah, I think everybody

that loves racing would vote for Homestead. You know, there's, there's, the rumor, I mean, this was almost a done deal. You know, to the point where like somebody, there were flying drivers out there Tuesday or Wednesday to announce. this, you know, the finale. And obviously something's happening and it's falling apart, funding-wise

here late in the going. But, uh, wait, this was happening like right now? Yeah. This was like, I think Tuesday or Wednesday, there was drivers flying to Homestead to announce that they were here at the finale. And I think some things came up with, you know, they got the World Cup coming there. And it's just a lot of, a lot of moving parts. And some of the funding kind of fell apart there for the NASCAR side of it. So, but, you know, the question I ask you guys, obviously, I think everyone of us is spot on for trying to bring that race back to Homestead, just for a sheer racing standpoint. But like, you know, Jeff, when I was listening to talk about this last night, obviously Jordan was talking about this. And then Jeff, Jeff brought up a really good point where

if they say it's between $5 and $10 million is what Phoenix is paying to have the race there. When it comes down to it, should we be worried about dollars and cents? Obviously, we're spending somebody else's money here. But should we worry about dollars and cents? When you're talking about $5 million, $10 million to NASCAR, it doesn't seem like a, really absorbent amount of money. Should you be worried about putting the best product on the race on TV that you're going to see? Obviously, I think Homestead puts on a thousand times better race than Phoenix does, or are you just catering to the almighty dollar at that point?

Well, I think it goes two ways, right? I think NASCAR has to really pick really good racetracks to put on the best show that can be possibly the best championship race, right? And look, the Phoenixes, the Miami's, the Daytona's, they're, they're, you know, those are places where people go to, right? So for those type of places to spend that money, they're going to bring the economy up, right? The hotels, the travel, all the stuff that happens, that goes along with it. So it's a much bigger thing than people think it is, you know, to do that type of stuff. So obviously, I don't know if the fires had anything to do with it, you know, with what they had to,

if they had to stop those talks during the week. But I feel that Miami is the best place to end the year. And look, I know Daytona wouldn't be that bad either. Yes, it's a crap shoot. God, oh, my. But, boy, that would bring a lot of talk. I mean, that would bring a lot of pissed off drivers, a lot of pissed off people.

But at the end of the day, it might be something. I don't think it's a fair question. Yeah. And I say that because there's just, there's always more to it, right? Yeah. And we could go to the best track for drivers or for the race, but if they can't, can't pay you, like, it doesn't matter how great it is. So no one's going to argue that Phoenix isn't the best track for the championship,

racing-wise. But the venue, the market is, it's a 10 out of 10. Like when you go out there, it's, I mean, it's just, it's a beautiful place. It's a, it's a, there's a lot to do around the track. Homestead not so much. I mean, like, you've got to drive a little ways at Homestead to find something good to do. This is, this will be a discussion for a long time of where the championship race should be. And I just, I'm still just a believer they should pick three or four tracks.

It should rotate. And I, and I say that because, and even though Larson won his championship at Phoenix, I don't think it's fair to be at Homestead if he's going to be in the championship four. He's going to have an advantage. And it's the same thing. If you have it at Aitona, there's going to be somebody that probably has an advantage there, right? Like the Penske cars, we could say, probably have an advantage on the Super Speedway. So I don't know.

I mean, money makes everything happen. And I wouldn't blame them a bit if that's influence in their decision. And listen, we're talking about Homestead, you know, maybe announcing this, you know, this week. And it's getting close to being done, the mayor, vice mayor, whatever, said, 70, 30. We're talking about for one year, I think. Because I think starting next year, we're going into a rotation. I think that, you know, the rumors I heard this week where Homestead's getting done this week, they're going to announce it this week. And the next rumor was Vegas in 2027, which is, it's interesting to me because it's an SMI track.

So I don't know how that logistically works out. I think it's great that NASCAR is not like it has to be at one of our track. I think that's nice. They're opening that up. If that's actually going to happen, I think that's great, which obviously Vegas, another really good race track. You know, everything good there. Obviously, you've got Vegas. So there's a lot there to that.

would be another really good option. But I think there's probably four or five tracks you can go to that will put on Darlington. Obviously, you've got to worry about some markets you can't go to just because Kansas would be a great race. But I don't know that we want to go to Kansas in the middle of November. It might be a little chilly. Probably a 70-30 on that. That is what I'm going on. What five tracks do you think? Honestly, for me, I mean, if I had to pick race tracks in probably same markets, Homestead, Vegas, I'm good with ending of Phoenix maybe once in a while. Again, I'm always above the opinion that I want a three-race playoff, and I'm always good at Phoenix being in there because of the market. And it's always kind of been one of the last two or three races of the year.

But for me, like just sheer racetracks, Homestead, Vegas, Darlington, I think would be amazing. Texas, maybe. Fuck off, Texas. Jesus. Texas. Tell us how you really feel it. No, unless we reconfigure it again for the 15th time. I mean, Kansas would be what's going to dictate it, right?

Yeah, exactly. Kansas would be great, but again, I don't think we're going there. You know, there's places. We went to New Hampshire one time after Thanksgiving. That is true. That was a little wild. But, you know, like, I mean, short tracks. I wouldn't be against a Martinsville.

But I don't think we'd have to get better. We'd have to get a better product, I think, than we have right now. Racing is not very, I mean, not that's bad. It's just, we just need a bit. The mile and a halfs are just so good right now. And listen, you have one of the most famous quotes. I'll talk about this for a second. You know, I hear that all the time.

And sorry. But, you know, I think that this year probably be, 1989. It did for sure, yeah. Yeah, it definitely, it's actually a good race this year. It was really entertaining to watch. It's, uh, yeah, so we can, we can update that to 2025. The best race, yeah.

That's funny. All right. Kyle Larson said, I think if we would, there I go again, Kyle Larson said, I think if we still had the 2021 car, I would have about 50 cup wins right now. I think switching to this car has limited us from winning. Spot on, spot off. Tommy. Well, I think it's, I think.

I think he meant by, it's brought the competition closer, right? So it's a lot harder to win. So I don't think he was saying anything about the car. I was just, I'm thinking he was, his thought process was, man, it's brought, the competition is a lot tougher now. A lot of different teams are winning. But obviously you can see the, he's still doing pretty good. I mean, yeah. I mean, you, and it's hard to argue with him, Jamie, because 2021 he won 10 races.

I'll say spot off, only because they were. not racing in 2021. Yeah. And things evolve. And you just don't know. Like they were really good in 2021. But you just, I mean, times change. And so it's hard to, if we just raced in that year, yeah.

He would. For sure, would. He'd have 10 a year. But I don't, I mean, I think it still worked out pretty well for him. He's doing okay. How would you rank all the HMS drivers with this next-gen car between the four of them? For me, Larsen's at the top, obviously. I think Larson's probably at the top of our sport.

period. And listen, this is going to, like, who has the most wins in the next-gen car of them? Kyle. Probably. Oh. Is it Kyle? In HMS? I was going to say, it's probably Byron.

I would know. No, it's right there. No, Byron has 14. Larson. If I just read the sheet. They're close, though. Yeah, but who has the most in the next-gen era? Of anybody?

Yeah. It's probably Larson. I would imagine it's Larson, yeah. It's whoever these guys, all these guys. Yeah. We're on this page right here. For me, It's kind of listed as they're listed here.

You know, and I think the low-hanging fruit here is probably try to put Chase forth, and you just can't do it. I think he's probably still one of the most consistent drivers in our sport. It's hard to... It's not fair to rank like that, because there's variables that play into that. And Bowman only has two wins.

But I think Bowman's underrated. I think he is incredibly talented, and I think he's in a really hard position at HMS because you've got what most will say is the most talented guy with Kyle Larson. you got the most popular guy who's really good also Chase Elliott William Byron's the golden guy right I mean just like I don't think I think that's a really hard position for Alex to be in but I mean I was pulling for him yesterday as you're

watching I'm like as much as it's cool to see Larson like catch him and win I'm like man like I just think Bowman is is underrated and I think he's done a great job yeah I was really pissed on him yesterday because like Larson run us down it was kind of our thought process like we're not going to hold this guy off so let him go let him get large let them get up there to Bowman and then hopefully the two of them, raise each other. Maybe you guys come back to us and then Dan Bowman drags his right side off and Larson doesn't even have to try to pass him.

I was like, you son of a bitch. But, you know, Alex did a really good job yesterday. Obviously, they're late in the race, ran us down past us and it was trying to get gone, but obviously it's hard to beat Larson. But for me, you know, if you made me rank him, it'd be Larson, maybe Byron just barely overchase for second and then Bowman

fourth. But again, I'm talking, we're, even if that's not a knock on Bowman, because you're like digging. You're still talking about, you're still talking about top 10 guy. You know, four of these guys, they're all in the top seven or eight in points,

whatever it is. So, you know, it's just, there's that sheet. I should have just looked at that, right? But yeah,

I mean, they're, it's just, you know, you're splitting hairs when you talk about these guys because they're all

super, super talented. With Larson having 30 career wins, do you think he'll catch up to Jeff or Jimmy? Um,

or pass? I think he's an easy 60. Yeah. Without a doubt. So Jeff's got 90. Another 30? You don't think he can win a 30?

No, it's just crazy to think that he's got that much life ahead of him. Yeah, he's got, so he's got 30 now, right? Because what is Kyle? Barely 30 years old? He's 32. 32. So he's got, what would you say, Jamie?

10, 12 years of... Yeah, so as you're saying all that, I'm just thinking, like, is Kyle motivated enough? Right? Because there was a time not long ago that I'm like, I think he'll win the championship and maybe go race to my cars. Right? But I think that's changed. I think he's more motivated to become the best NASCAR driver

of all time now. And he could. Like there's a realistic opportunity for him to do that. I think he's more motivated now than ever. But he also, I think there's some frustration as I read the quote, right? That he's like, well, if we're in the other car, I'd already be ahead quite a bit. So, yeah, I don't know. It's really hard to count him out.

Yeah. I mean, he went everywhere. Yeah. You'd never say never. I got in trouble recently because I said like three or four years ago, I said Gretzky's goal record would never be broken. Never is a power for. And here it comes.

But yeah, you know, it's 63 wins to Gordon, which it's going to be tough just on the parity side. If we continue to run this car for the next 10, 12 years, whatever it is. And it gets harder every year. Like racing in general, like nothing against Richard Petty. That was an easier era than like the 90s. And the 90s were easier than the mid-tooth out. They were also racing four or five times a week back then. So it was a little bit.

It's different. Different. Yeah. At this point, in their careers at this point, Jimmy had 33 wins, which is pretty similar. to Kyle. Jeff had 64 wins at this point in his career. But I think, again, those 10-win seasons aren't going to happen. I don't even know with this car. So it's going to be harder, you know, to click off six or seven a year to catch them guys. But if anybody could do it, it's probably that son of it.

Adam Stevens told me a couple of weeks ago, I did it sit down with him and he thought they could get to double-digit wins. That was like their goal. He talked about the goals ahead the beginning of the season. I'm like, well, what was one? And he's like, double-digit wins. I'm like, wow. Like, that's a lofty goal. And then they come out and win the three out of the first four. But after he said that, looks what's probably happened in the last two weeks. It's like, shit, I shouldn't have said that.

I see. What do you want to talk about, Tom? Priest? Another top ten? Two top ten. I was going to say that. I just seen the points. Well, the points, too.

He's in the top six team. Yeah. Kudos to that group. They're, again, new team, different crew chief with him. You know, I wanted to talk about that. that there's probably two or three new crew chief race court drivers that are doing well. And there's probably seven or eight of them total. So there's more struggling than others right now.

And, you know, the 54, right? We brought that up a little bit. You know, the 54, he kind of drove me crazy the other day because, you know, he's been struggling, obviously. I thought you said you were going to leave Ty Gibbs alone this week. I brought it up. Tommy did it. But it was just one thing. And really, it's not a big knock on tie.

but it's it was something that I didn't really love to see in practice. You know, he was super fast in practice. But every time he caught somebody, he would just back up off of them and then go back and run him down again. And or that guy would pull off and he'd run down the next guy. And then as soon as he caught him again, he would back off of them, you know. And we've seen ourselves do that just trying to get clean air, see what you're doing. But the problem is in the race, you're not going to have clean air all the time.

You know, you're going to have to be stuck behind somebody and figure out a way to pass them. because we, you know, we were pretty good in practice, obviously, and we caught him at one point, couldn't pass him. He drove away from us a little bit, and then he, you know, he caught somebody else, maybe SVG who was struggling, and then he struggled to pass him so bad that we passed both of them before he could get around. So I just feel like if you're, I get it, your car's fast. He was, I mean, really fast, like three, four tenths better than us in practice.

But obviously, you know, you have to know what your stuff's going to do in traffic. And I felt like he never got a good read for that. And then you saw all day yesterday, he was kind of just mired midpack. and really couldn't do anything. So stuff like, just little things like that right now just aren't clicking for them guys. And they just like, you know, just clean that up. Tye's a very good race car driver.

You can't take that away from him. He's going to be fine. It's just they got to get out of this little funk right now. And there's little things like that I think they could do to help themselves. Yeah, I think the flip side of the struggles of the 54, Almondinger, four top tens in a row at Homestead. I never thought of him being spectacular there, but pretty, pretty incredible. I saw Justin Haley's in the top 10.

Zane Smith each week seems to be really fast. Like there's some good stories that don't get covered on TV because they're not fighting for the lead, but there's some of these guys, to run 10th in a cup race is incredibly hard. And you see those same guys like Spire to me has been the best story of the year. And Justin was heading that way last week, too.

And unfortunately... The pit stops, right? I heard someone mentioned that. Yeah, I mean, his pit crew was on the five car last week, so they struggled every time he came in, he went to come out last. So they're gaining momentum. Was that two top 10?

for AJ as well, right in the row. It was. He finished top 10 at Vegas, that's right. So, I mean, the team is doing it, man. I was surprised when I saw, I was looking at, like, pre-raced stats and stuff like that. And he was up there, obviously, he had those top fives. He was, like, third or fourth on the list on average finish at Homestead. I was like, wow. And then he backed it up and ran really well this week again, too.

Austin Dillon had a really good day going yesterday. He finished 13th, but at one point he was up to seven, like, really late. Him and his brother could haul ass into three on a restart. Like, they could just hook the bottom of three. Like, they would go drive by everybody. I was like, damn, you can see a mid-pack. Because every once in a while you see something catches your eye You just see somebody blowing by four cars

You're like holy shit, where's that guy going? Hey, it's Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, We need you to go to shop.durdymomedia.com We've got plenty of options And we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop. Dot dirtymobedia.com

Carson, anything got you fired up this week? Honestly, pretty chill, pretty chill week for me. I mean, what's got me excited was Wyatt winning his second Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, yeah. He got a little lucky because the leader ended up blowing up. But honestly, he was running him down before that. And I was really proud of him because he's known for, well, we internally know that he kind of

loses his mind a little bit, like once he gets past. When he was that from? Yeah. Well, he gets it honest from probably all sides. But he did a really good job. You know, he didn't get the start that he wanted or a couple restarts. And he did a really good job just settling in and getting in his group. groove and running consistent.

How long are those races? That one was 35. Yeah. So, I mean, not super long. Sometimes they do 50 lapers. So I'm interested to see when or if he runs one of those, how that goes. But he loves dirt racing, right? Yeah.

Like, I've just, I don't know why it very well. I've been around him a little bit, but everyone I've talked to is like, well, the payment thing's okay, but like he just loves slinging dirt. Yeah, he does. He loves the micro. And then when he got into the off-road truck, he was in love because he's jumping stuff. One thing I found about kids is they love with their. good at. And if you start winning on pavement,

all of a sudden it becomes not so bad. Right. Well, that's what I was going to say next is I think now that he's ran second and now got the win out of the way. He wants to do that more. I do see a modified in the future. Oh, boy. I hope so. I tell L.W. all the time. We were sitting in the trailer watching the race at

South Boston in between it. I tell L.W. all the time. He did that, right? Didn't L.D.R. in the Southern Wheel Modified Tour. Did he fight? Oh, yeah. He did, right? I kind of said that sarcastic all the time. All the time. Where's he from? Pennsylvania.

Yeah. Close enough. He's just scrappy little dude. He hasn't stopped fighting either. He's gotten kicked out of almost every race track we've been to with Wyatt. That's why I love him. We do have to work on one thing with Wyatt. We're going to have to start taking our fire suit off post race.

Oh my gosh, I know. He's been like that since. Bless, it was he loves it because he wants people to know he's a race car driver. But then mom and I are sitting there and like these, we're in the Waffle House, right? Like it's not the. That's probably not that abnormal to have some costume The Waffle House. Right, but then again, you have the weirdos.

And so then, like, this guy just kept bugging and bugging and bugging. And, like, he just came out of the hospital. Like, he had a hospital bracelet all right. Like, it was just drunk. And I'm like, Wyatt, would you, Mom and I were about to crawl out of our skin. We're like, if you didn't have your fire suit on and the trophy sitting on the table, this wouldn't be happening.

I wouldn't pitch you going to a Waffle House. I've been to Waffle House. Not a lot. Not recently. That's the first time I've been to one sober. I don't imagine. You know, Jamie's a germ a freak, right? I'm better, though, since I had kids.

Like, since having kids, I'm not near. I still wash my hands a lot, though. Now, he never shakes hands. And if I do, I go to the restroom right away. Yeah. I knew better. I know better now. I think so.

Somebody else told me that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like shaking hands. I like one, too. You can't, you know, also go wash his hands. I don't want to get anything. But, yeah, I think Tommy was probably the most fired up out of all of us this weekend. I'm sure.

What's why it's go-to-meal at the Waffle House? He got a side of bacon. That's it's normal. was like, you made us come all the way here. He wanted to go to the waffle house, had to go. And he, he's like, I'm not that hungry. I just want bacon. That's the butter bean effect.

That's what he wanted. Everybody's got to go. Where would you go? Where's your go to? It's a bar. It's a bar. Big house. Big house on Sunday night.

I was thinking about this last night. I was like, it's probably my fault. How old are you? 42. Ooh, that'll slow down. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, trust me.

It's already slowed down quite a bit. But you know good for 42. No, not really. It's pickled. It's the lighting in here. Yeah, it's a good light. It was the makeup chair. I sat in for an hour before we got me in here.

But last night, we're leading the race with like 30 to go. And I'm like, shit, if we win this, son of a bitch, I'm going to have to get up early. I even moved their podcast up a half hour tomorrow. That's what I was thinking about. And I think the tires went away right like that. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, watching the end of the race, I'm like, we have a chance. Freddy might be extremely hungover and we'll all be getting a text to go to big house.

But we survived. We made it. Thank goodness. All right. We ready for a little reaction theater? I hope so. These are always interesting. I hope I'm safe.

Speaking of awful. How many calls do we get? Total like 180. Jeez. You have got to be shipping me. Where the hell is my toaster? Fastest car on the track and we blow a motor? How do you know?

A motor in 10, 4 or 5 years and now we don't blow 2. Anyway, I'm pissed. Are you pissed? I'm pissed. He's pissed. Anywell. That's a new one. That's a new one.

I recognize that voice. I think that was the original Go-12 guy, and he's been sitting in his pub with the toaster for the last three weeks now. I tell you what, from here on out, wake up every Sunday morning. I walk outside and get a two-of-four and just let my wife slap me in the nuts with it because that's what it's like to be a Kyle Busch fan.

We haven't had a Kyle Busch fan in a while. Did he have damage? State, he was struggling. He got the wall a little bit, yeah. I mean, everybody hit the wall a little bit, but I mean, he was really bad. I thought he must have had a bunch of damage. I just want to come on here and give a shout out to us Blaney fans,

because I got the tub nice and warm, and I got a line of toasters for us to pick from. So y'all just come hop on in, because what the fuck is up with them engines? Anyway, Tommy, you look like a deranged Easter bunny at that fightbook. I just want to stay. for an old man like yourself, he still got some ass behind you,

but anyway, go 12. What's the deal with the toaster? So the Blaney fans, like I forget a couple years ago, we had a guy calling Blaney, was just having a miserable summer kind of like he is right now,

and the guy called in every week, and he's like, oh, you know, they turned for like, he's like, I'm in the tub, you know, we're all getting together. We're all the Blaney fans are in a tub, and then he had a good race. They were all in a tub,

like, celebrating, you know, hanging out drinking, and then it turned into like, the pub or the tub? The tub, like a bath. throw a to throw a toaster. And now they want to throw a to, like, because it's going so bad, they want to bring their toaster in there.

A bath bomb. They turned it. I mean, it was, it's been a thing for a little while, but it's, uh, okay. It's interesting. Yo, hung money fucking trips on his own dick. Grives into Lane Ridge. It gets back all the way to the front in like 40 laps. Is there any other trucks even in the field?

What the fuck is this? Yo, fuck. We had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, Slow that one down, Alex. Yeah. Did you remember the hung money thing last year? Did you hear about that one? So the guy called in and said he must be hung like a horse

because he steps on his dick every week. So, yeah. But he did good. At least that last restart. This is a very inappropriate section. Oh, yeah. That's the show. Yeah.

You should have been here last week. I heard it. I did. I listened. Hey, fellas. We're up here at South Boston. You might want to come get your boy Tommy. He's rolling around with a tow truck.

I didn't know what So that was kind of coinciding with the end of the Xfinity race So I always have my phone out in front of me Like on a What do you call? Like a thing like that thing And

Next thing I know, it's just text Text text I'm like, the hell is going on Hope everybody's all right And it's just videos of Tommy Trying to kill somebody I was like oh my God Well that the modified race

Took nine and a half hours to run It did It always does there way too long. There's a lot of cars, right? There's 33 of them showed up. A couple of them broke in practice, unfortunately. But, yeah, it was good racing up front.

How many do they start? Luke ended up finishing third. He's got the points lead now. So, yeah. How was Carter's day? Expensive. Any good word, probably? I didn't, I mean, in all fairness,

I didn't watch it because with the Xfinity race was going on. And I just kind of got a little, I saw the little clips he showed me from, he was involved in a couple of wrecks. One, he spun a guy out, which didn't, didn't tear anybody's stuff up. But then there was, I don't really know what caused all the wrecks just close together. Then Newman's car was on top of his car at one point. Like there was. That's exciting.

Yeah, my wife, did I show you the text for my wife? No. I love my wife. I'm getting updates from her during the race. Like, because I saw he was in a wreck. And, and. I'm like, can you keep going? Because it looked really tore up, right?

And she sends me a picture. She's like standing in the pits. And the front's, there's no front. It's all smashed in. And I'm like, ooh, I don't look good. And she said, the radiator's busted. But Phil said, as long as he runs the fans, he'll be okay. And I'm like, well, you got part of that, right?

I think, I don't think the radiator's busted. But like, maybe we need the fans because there's no duct work or something like that. So that was the updates I was getting. So I'm like, well, I don't know if we're still going or not. Yeah, Carter had a rough one. He has a long day. Whatever happened to all the reactions of people who doing it right. Whatever happened to all of the laughing and clapping and getting it hype?

Whatever happened to people like Jeb who sang in and playing guitar? Whatever happened to people like Peyton making our day sat in the bar? I'll come out retirement. Tell them what's Halloween. Remind her fans what the hell that were fire. Met too many people bathing with appliances making the park as a hostile environment. Carson and Tommy and Freddie that's fame. Tim's, guess you're adopted, but I'm ready to get up and light up the mic against anyone acting obnoxious.

Anyone talk out of pocket, bet I'm gonna rock it. Piazza coming to bat. Complaining to becoming constant, creatively lost it. Why can't we stick to the track? Totally cool if you don't like the race. Totally cool if you dick ride and chase. Totally cool if you disagree with their opinions I don't like their takes. So, come on, let's bring in the heat in this season, because what we got ain't a good look.

No. BBC Faithful is time we get able and bring the boys one for the books. Yeah. them keys or roll of them trees and make them say ooh let them cook and show everybody why drove up or clear is the one that's got everyone shook look one final thing that i'll say to the haters before i just step and go leave you you're throwing these tantrums and sounding like children i promise it i don't believe you if hearing them talking about out of drama is something that just doesn't please you go listen to danny go listen to harvard because dbc don't fucking need you

period that's our boy that's our boy tyler that we used to have a very diverse show here Like, you've got... We can go from one side the other and split second, trust me. We have the modified guys covered. I heard some country. I heard some hip hop. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's a... This is a place for everyone. Tyler, I hope we hear from you all with... That was talented, though. And, I mean, do you think that he did that? I mean, what time to race in yesterday? So he did that since... Last night.

Yeah. And he would do it... Back, you know, three or four years ago, he was doing that every week. He would recap the race in him in a much shorter, Ryan, but like he would recap the race every night and send it into us. And then, you know, but it was, that was

obviously fantastic. And I couldn't agree with the sentiment more that if you don't like it, we don't know. That's right. All right. Well, those were good. To leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number 704, 802-9-572, and we will play the best ones each week on the show. And it's now time for

AskDBC. You can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. And this week, Dennis wants to know, after watching Watching the Barry and Lugano Pit Road incident, what is the protocol to avoid something like that happening on such a narrow pit road and follow up? Who do you think was at fault, if anyone? This is probably more for Tommy because if you don't know what it sounds like on the radio, normal, I think most teams, I don't know how you did it, Jamie, but it's the spotter will get you to 10 away. The crew chief will call you from 10 away into the box and then try to get you out of the box to the outside lane or at least out of the box and rolling a couple stalls. away and then the spotter will take back over. So Tommy, what's it like on the box? And this,

this is a narrow pair road, just kind of similar to Indy. You know, what's it like for you sitting on the box trying to get them out of the box in that situation? Yeah, I mean, that's a hard situation to call because you got to get them out of the box, right? And you also have to see, you know, as you get them out of the box, you have to also look in the back side, not the front side, because you got to see what cars are coming in what lanes. As you can see, pulling out, there was no lanes. There was no other lanes. So that was, that was. was just a already three wide because someone jumped, jump early at three spots before that. And that was just a tough deal for both of those guys.

Jamie, how hard is that? I mean, I just put that on Josh. I mean, like, you're looking in your rearview mirror. Like, on the left side of the car goes up, I would always look in my rearview mirror to see, like, what's coming. And then I would take what the spotter, the crew chief told me based on what I saw and how much room do I have. I mean, it's unfortunate that Joey pulled out kind of at the same time, but I don't know. I mean, it's just one of those situations

you might have to give up a little to not. He would have had to stop, right? The 21 would have had to stop. Yeah, he would have... Yeah, I mean, and he comes straight out. No, no. You know what's weird is when you're in the car and you launch, it feels like it won't go,

and then you hit something, you're like, damn, I'm pretty fast, right? But to your answer your question, Dennis, there's really, I mean, it's just... kind of, you know, like you said, you try to do the best you can. It's a no win, right? Like, he just... And it happens just so fast inside the car.

I know, Tommy, you said this happened with, was it Chase and Blaney? Yeah. Another point in the race also, where, you know, the same thing, kind of come out. Yeah, Chase was really aggressive getting out of his box, and he ran into Ryan. And then Ryan wasn't happy at all, and he finally got back up to him into turn three to show his displeasure a little bit. And you see this. I mean, we saw Friday.

night. I think it was Majesky and Majeski ended up getting the left front knocked in on his truck when he got a really good truck. It's just a product of that wall being there on the right side. You know, it kind of boxes, you know, a lot of places you have a little more room to work with. You got room like somebody darts out, you can go to the right. Well, here

Blaney's kind of out against the wall and nowhere to go. And another thing is you're trying to, geez, almost happened to happen. Again, it was right there. It was too wide again. I mean, it's right there. I mean, unfortunately our people can't see this because NASCAR or Ryan. Well, you just need to get in a fight

on NASCAR in a cup race so that we can get some show there. Give us some video. Ryan reminds me of Casey Kane because he's so nice and so quiet

like in person and he gets on the radio and you're like, oh my God, he's just on the radio. It's funny. He was here a month ago or so and we were giving him shit about

he's like, I'm not that bad. And I'm like, if they had radio sweethearts though, you would be top five. Every week. Yeah, every week. Well, he did say that lady

replays everything, right? Yeah, he said he goes back through her Twitter and reads it and is like, ooh, did I really say that? That's funny. Well, speaking of losing your shit, shit show Hall of Fame time, we'll nominate someone each week, and y'all get to vote on Twitter for who gets inducted.

And last week, the 88 truck crew member and the tow truck flip tied. We had our first tie of the season. What happened there? So the truck, did you see the truck guy, pulled a packer out under red? The sneaky guy. Sneaky guy.

Yeah. I did not see it, but I heard you got to talk about it. caught by the camera on the, like the pit road camera. They got a penalty for, like, that stinks. Because I think if you're creative like that, you should get it.

I mean, it should be a freebie. The funny thing was, you know, he, like he was, you see him watch the officials walk by. And he's like,

as soon as he does, he turns around, I mean, quick. And then, you know, he, is so funny. There's cameras everywhere he is. He felt good about it.

I don't know. It wasn't for that one camera. That was up top. Those cameras get you out of time. Like you said yesterday. Cameras and mics. Can't get away. It was shit anymore, you said.

There wasn't a lot of on-track shit show Hall of Fame. I don't think for me, maybe Tommy might want to give it to somebody. For me, actually, I take that back. On-track. For me, the video that popped up last week of that ARCA team that runs dead last every time I ever see him on a racetrack posting a video to come drive for them. If you ever want to get in a car test, call us right now. And you look, the window net is down in the video.

The driver is, it looked like to me he didn't have a Hanson, but I think he might have had the Simpson hybrid device. vice. So this is definitely my nominee. I think that's the biggest problem in short track racing is the lack of safety and the lack of knowledge of that like, you know, I went to, you know, I went to LaJoy's. I had this all belts to seat built. I was very adamant with with the team about how it needs to be mounted because I just want to be right. I just want everything to be it's my kid. I want it to be perfect. And when you go to the track and you look at other people's cars, I don't think they do it on purpose. I think it's that they don't know. And I wish,

there was some way to educate everybody on how to make the car safer for everybody. Because, like, what you're seeing there should, that should never have. I want to give, I really want to give a shout out to just all the idiots that were in my replies. Because I tweeted this video and I was like, this is a disaster. Like, this can't happen. And everybody's like, well, you didn't see Mario and AJ running with a window net and, you know this. And I'm like, you're a moron. He's like, he's on a track by himself.

Who cares? Listen, you don't know what the fuck had happened at any moment. Right there. He just almost overcorrected and pounded the fence. You know, like, so the, you know, don't give me the bullshit about he's out there by it. You think it won't happen to you until it does. It's at Hickory. But, you know, it's just like an open test for East Car or something like that, I think.

But, you know, it's just, you know, don't come at me with, you know, you don't know what the fuck is going to happen out there. So don't tell me he doesn't need it stuff because he's out there by himself. Like, it's just, it's an idiotic comment. I agree. Unfortunately, my shit show nominee is going to have to be Thomas in the total truck. Thomas and the tow truck driver. It's hard to, it's hard to. I'm okay with it.

That's like a, that's like a kid's book. Thomas and the tow truck driver. The thing is, I don't care. That's our shirt. Put that on the, yeah. That's our shirt. That's our next shirt. I don't care.

What's, uh, what's Dale's book? Buster's trip to victory lane. Thomas and the tow truck driver. Thomas in the tow truck. Go to town. Yeah. That's okay. I'm fine with it. Thomas and the tow truck driver throwdown.

God. Uh, he had anything that caught your eye. I was going to make fun of him, but Sherry got it. Well, there's room for more always. That's the only shit show nominee. We'll do the Arka Guy. We can do you, and we could do the maybe Barry

and them coming off Pit Road was a bit of a shit show there. So those could be the thing. I don't know about Barry. I don't know if it's hard. I mean, it just caused a shit show. This is the thing. It's not his fault. I'm just saying it's, I mean, it kind of is his fault, actually.

All right. So we got the pit road incident. Tom and the tow truck driver. And no window net on the arc of car. So make sure y'all go vote on our Shitshow Hall of Fame Twitter poll to see who you want to be inducted into the Shitshow Hall of Fame this week. Do we need to, how are we going to do a tie breaker for the, like is it just a tie? Is that it for the crew member in the tow truck?

I'm assuming Chris Wright is still well ahead in the overall standings. Yeah. Is that Daytona? Yeah. I'm telling you. I'm watching that live. And I was like, oh yeah, you're calling that, right? I mean, I don't really know what to say right there.

Like, I think I know what happened. But, but here. Does that happen pretty often? Like, where there's things that happen and you're just kind of like. Well, so, yes. And I think when you see that scenario, you want to bash, right? You want to say, what an idiot. But you're like, well, maybe his brakes failed.

And I don't, you don't want to say it. And then, and then be like, well, now I feel like the idiot, right? But that was interesting. That was, that was interesting. It was a spotter's fault. So it was. Yeah, Barnwell. I saw Barnwell at the airport, like the next week.

He's like, I really appreciate you not throwing me under the bus. I love Keith. Let's go to DBC Picks. New twist this year, since we have a rotating guest, Jamie, you will get to pick with us. This is the most colorful rundown I have ever seen in my life. Like, you have colors for everything. I won. I'm back in the lead.

Tommy, you still. Good pick, Tom. I've finished fifth. Fifth, though, that's the best one. Well, no. Well, normally you're being a smart ass. Yeah, well, it's every once in a while. Every once in a while.

All right, wait. So then who gets to go first? Jamie goes first this week. You know, so you can pick anybody that's not highlighted on that guest list over there. Slugger tried to help the guest. Oh, he was so excited yesterday. He said, my car, I'm qualified all your guys. We got you.

Where are we going? Homestead? I mean, Martin'sville. Martin'sville, yeah. Martinsville. I think I'll go Denny Hamlin. That's a guy. He's pretty good there.

He's always been pretty good there. I will take Blaney. I'm going to take Lugano Wait, you don't You don't get to go Oh shit Shit Tommy take Lugano

Tommy gets so mad over nothing But you don't get that bad I'm not even mad What's your blood What's your blood pressure 126 over 72 always Write it down He turned purple

The other day No It was so one 126 over 72 But that's Who am I going to pick I had somebody in mind Well you got

Ryan Priest That's a good pick There's a shocker All right. No, I think he loves Martin's He does good there, yeah. He does good there. Very clearly, I enjoy Lugano.

Lugano. Sounds good. Go with Ligano. I have picked Blaney six, five of the six weeks on our picks on Fox, and I didn't know that. I just like, I don't know, like I looked up. He's good here. I'm like, well, he's pretty good there.

I'll take him, right? And then this week I didn't take him, and he was dominating the race. And I was like, well, clearly I'm the jinx of him. And then he blew up and I'm like, well, I have nothing to do with it. It's not you. Excellent, excellent. So I guess you're going racing this week.

great. What's plans for you? I think we're testing this week. Carter's testing in Orange County. Thursday, yeah. One day this week. And then I'm not in the CW booth this week. It'll be Adam and Parker, just the two of them. And then I'll be at Martinsville on Sunday for the Fox Pre-Rase. Yeah.

What's the plan with Carter this year? It's just strictly modified racing this year? No, we're doing the Legend car too. It's really hard. I feel like people assume that I have this master plan of like, this is what we're going to do, but I don't. I mean, I'm trying to make it, I want it to be fun for him. As much as, you know, he wants to be a professional race car driver. It's a steep road, and it takes a lot. And I know that Tommy's going through it as much as anyone. And it's, you know, it's all a

financial thing, right? I mean, if you have the money, you can go do whatever you want. But it's really hard. And so we're going to do the modified, the smart tour this year, maybe some other races. I don't, I don't know enough about that to know what other races we can do. They had mentioned to that Caraway maybe has some one-off, I don't know, some one-off race. The North South Shootout, yeah. Yeah, so maybe do some of those. We're going to do all the cars tour races with the legend car that they run in companion with them.

Those are really fun. I would like to advocate that they run it before the cars to a race, maybe at like 6 p.m. That'd be helpful for mom and dad, not post the race. I'll let somebody know. Yeah. If you got any pull there, that would go a long ways with me. But those are fun because there's so many people there. And I think as a kid to, like the legend cars are really fun for the kids because, especially at those races, because you get there and there's, there's a lot of people in the stands. There's a lot of reaction. And those cars, they're super hard to drive. And so we're going to do some of that. And I don't know. I'd like to take him and do some road racing on like even like the spec meadas or whatever. Like I think those are good little like learning tools. Yeah. So I, but I don't have a, I don't have a plan. I'm just trying to work it all out.

show you how many phone calls he's going to get for teams now. Yeah. Yeah. The one, I've, you know, seen a picture of Carter, one somewhere. There's a conscious effort to make his hair look exactly like yours. I mean, so I'll throw Carter into the bus a little bit. Not that long ago, we had to have a sit down with Carter and we're like, hey, you can't just get out of bed and go to school.

Like, we're going to have to, like, take a shower and, like, wet your hair down so that it's not sticking, like, it was sticking up, but in a way of, like, the pillow. did it, not, not gel. And, you know, it's just fun to watch your kids grow up. And they go from, I just don't care, like, my hair sticking up to, like, fixing your hair. And he doesn't, I don't think he wants that haircut because it looks just like mine. I mean, it's identical. It's the same person?

It actually is. Like, we're just boring. Like, we have what we have, right? But it's really funny. I saw some pictures from this weekend, him sitting next to me. And I'm like, I'm not denying him. It was funny because I saw like when he run the go-karters a couple times I saw some stuff about him And like didn't have didn't think he had there.

Then I saw a modified tweet about you know Carter's running this week with us and smart too And I was like, oh my God. I know. It's me. It's just me like 25 years ago. How did he get so tall though? He's going to be big. Yeah.

He's taller than me now. Christy's dad was a and her whole side of the family was tall. Mine obviously was not. Yeah, I think they said he'd be 6-1 to 6-5. So he's going to be big. That's an awkward thing just so you know when you're like I get it. him a hug this morning when he left for school and I was like, see, buddy.

I'm like, this is so weird that you're taller than me because he had shoes on and I'd get him and so it was really bad. And your wife, she's only four foot tall. She's not tall. Yeah. And our little girl's not going to be tall. So yeah, I would like to say, like we've talked a lot about Carter and I know this is a racing show, but my little girl does horses and, and it's hard.

I was going to say the two most expensive sports possible. You're correct in that. But she loves it. And I have a really hard, like not a hard. time with it, but I'm just not into the barn and the dirty. Like, it's just a, it's a totally different environment, but she loves it and she's very passionate. And so, um, I think it's, you know, I think about as my childhood growing up, I got a lot more attention than my sister did because I was racing and racing takes a full commitment, right? We all know that. And so I've tried really hard

with our kids to not do that. And it's, it's, it's kind of went that way a little bit because of Carter racing. And so we're fully committed, but she's into horses and I had this great moment this weekend during our practice and qualifying show. My little girl, I knew that she was in Raleigh doing a horse show, and she had went up there with some other friends from the horse show because Christy took Carter to the racetrack, and my phone rang, and she doesn't call me often, and I knew she was traveling, and I'm like, I need to answer this. And so we were on air, and I'd set my headset down, and I went to the corner, I'm like, hello, you know, like trying to be quiet in the booth. And she can't breathe. And I'm like, oh, no, I'm like, what's wrong? And she's like, she's like, dad. And I'm like, yeah,

and she's like, I won. And she was so excited. excited. And I was like, as a dad, I was like, oh, I'm like, so glad you called me and not your mom. That is so sweet that you called me. And she was just so excited because we get passionate about racing and all the hard work, but she does the same thing with those horses and it's really sweet. Yeah. You talk to priests. Priests in that horse world, right? Heather's got. He's carding horses back and forth all week long. He's deep in that one. Thomas, what do you got going on this week? Man, we got a busy week. Luke's debuts in Thorisport 66,

Mohawk Ford F-150 at Friday night. You drive it? Yeah, Lord. He's going to say fast as Xfinity Mobile now. Yeah, so he's got Sim today, pit practice, Sim tomorrow, pit practice. He goes to Thor's Sport on Wednesday, gets final fit.

And then it's Friday. Truck race. Then he races for Ryan Priest Racing Tri-Track Series in Thompson on Saturday. Then he'll run our car to 7 NY on the tour on Thompson Sunday. So what is it? I got to say, and it's not because Tommy's sitting here,

and I've told everyone this about Luke. And I haven't met Jack. I don't think I've ever even said hi to Jack, just because I've been around Luke a lot more. And I remember Luke and Jack from MRO when I was racing, and they were just these little kids, right? And it's been like, I don't know, six or eight months ago, I was at Charlotte,

and I was watching Carter run this legend car, and I didn't know it was Luke, but he was standing next to me, and he just started talking to me, right? And I looked and I'm like, I think I know him, but I don't know how, right? And he introduced himself to me and I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, you've gotten so big. And I didn't even realize that he was racing modifies and everything else he was doing. But I've gotten a no luke over the past like four or five months.

And I don't think it's Tommy's son. Because he's just the sweetest kid and his work ethic towards his racing. And I've sat back and I've watched. And he's just a great kid. He's done a tremendous job on the. racetrack. He's really savvy. I feel like in the car. He's obviously has has moved a few people out of the way. But I think there's a really good balance there, right, of aggression and making good decisions. And I'm as excited, I think, has taught me to watch him this weekend just because

I know everything that he's put into it. And I'm going through it with my kid, right? And as I've asked Luke the last couple weeks, I'm like, what are you doing to prepare for Martinsville? And he's like, talk about watching film and the pit practice and everything that goes. with it. And I think I'm as excited as Tommy is just because it's fun to watch people, you know, try to make what they're passionate about come true. And I lived it. And I remember over the years, people come up to me talking about trying to get their kids into it. And I, not that I didn't care, but I didn't have the investment in it. And now that I do, and I watch these other kids, Connor Zillich is a great one too, right? Like, I've watched these guys grow up and it's really cool

to see kids' dreams trying to come true. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to go up there and probably watch with Tommy to make sure we don't have any incidents. Who's spotting for him? Tab, Boyd, who does that 66 truck weekly. I did have to mention because he texted me 75 times last night that Jack, which I think it might have fell off because he stopped texting me, he had damn near a perfect bracket. As he told you this yet? Oh, yeah.

He was up to 300th place out of 24 million people in the ESPN bracket challenge. That's incredible. I think he might have fell off because the last couple of games he never gave me. He gave me four or five updates of. I'm a fifth. I'm 500th. I'm 400th. Now I'm 300. He's 345. He's like you guys, degenerates. He's got a gambling addiction. Do you do a bracket? No, I don't know. I've never seen a bracket. I've never done one. Just a playoff one for the NASCAR?

Yeah, that's it. And I dread to that because it's impossible to pick. Jack likes to gamble with Freddie. He likes to gamble my money is what he likes to do sometimes. He calls Freddie for money, not me. but he, yeah, so he was like, you better talk about me tomorrow. I said, oh, I promise you. We're going to talk about you tomorrow. I don't know if that's going to be for this bracket,

but we're definitely going to talk about you. It's cool, though, that he's getting to do. Like, I've watched this weekend with both Luke and Jack being at the track and Tommy getting to be there. It's really cool that you get to do that. No, it's incredible. It's fun most at a time. Yeah.

Yeah, but I think that the frustration is what makes the, the, when you do well, so valuable, right? If it was easy and there was no downside, then you don't appreciate the upside. Yeah, for sure. Jack's come a long way, unfortunately. The last two races, you know, it's been super quick, though. Yeah, wow. It's been good. Super quick. Well, Carson, car store?

Car store's back in action this week. We're going to Wake County. We just have late model stocks with us this weekend, but we're looking. There's some potential shit show nominees coming out of Iowa. I'm sure there will. That's a touch track for those cars, right? What is the reason why the pros don't run every time? To be honest with you, they want

a little bit less of a schedule, and since there's more pro and super racing going on that they can go do elsewhere. It kind of gives them the opportunity to do that. And also with Wake specifically, we just can't park that many trailers there. I mean, there's just not enough room. But we take them to 13 out of 15, so not bad. I didn't realize it was that much this year. It's actually less than we did last year.

Oh, really? Yeah, we did 17 races last year. We backed it up to 15 this year. Keep an eye on Kip for me. Don't let them get too wound up this week. Kip never gets wound up. Kip is one. It's always the one talking me off the ledge.

I'll blow in the trailer and be like MF and everything. And thank God he has daughters because he can chill me out. Those races get rough at the end. Oh, my Lord. And we're the only two down there. They can all MF also. So that's the other fun part. Excellent.

Well, we are heading to Martinsville this week. It was good to see everybody out in Homestead. Another great race there. And hopefully, softer tire, I think we're got this week again. So just another, hopefully a good race to back up the one we had there last year to back up what we had at Phoenix a couple weeks ago. What do you expect in Xfinity? Why do I? Oh, you're not going to Xfinity, right? So you don't care. Why care? But I don't, I don't, yeah, the short track thing in the new car has been tough. And hopefully the softer tires will

help some. I hate talking tires. I just feel like we just wear tires out. And I don't know that that's the fix-all to all of that, but it does seem that Phoenix, when they had the difference in tires, it was a little more entertaining, you know? And I think that's where a lot of people get mixed up with, you know, talk about how great Phoenix was. If we just had the red tires there, it would have not been as good. Yeah. And the one thing that I remember about for years at Martinsville was you could get like 50 laps in and if you didn't do a good job, you could get lapped over the next like 20 laps because your rear tires would be gone and that's went away. And hopefully they can get that back. I just think there's such a, there's such a balance for good year to produce what they

one is a good tire and not, I just, you think about to the years of Tony Stewart just bashing. I mean, just brutal, right? And like, they just don't ever want to get back to that. But I think the drivers have bought in a little more now and it's a little more, it's just okay, right? And a lot of people forget that, like, NASCAR racing is not Goodyear's only outlet. You know, they're starting to sell tires to you on Monday, so they don't want a tire that blows out every Sunday afternoon. And the other thing that we've seen is just the weather can dictate a significant amount of wear or not having wear. And I don't know how you build tires months ahead of time

and know what the weather's going to be. You can't, right? I mean, it's a hard, that's a tough battle. All right, well, looking forward to see everybody out this weekend in Martinsville. Hopefully a good race. Thanks for tuning in. Jamie, thank you again for stopping by. Always one of our favorites and hopefully get you in here some more.

I'm sorry we set you up for a little extra news. We started off on the bad foot. I mean, how cool was that though? I mean, we didn't get to talk about it as much. I've not got to have a throwback scheme yet. and you see those every year and, and of course, you don't want to go be like, hey, can you do one of my cars, right? So it's, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's really cool.

And it was, it was fun to, like, have the little bit of conversation with Carson out there. He said he was seven when, uh, when I ran that car. It means you getting old, all that. Yeah. And that's what I told him. I was like, I said, I'm very honored that, uh, that you're doing this. But at the same time, it hurts my feelings because it makes me feel old. So I have a throwback car.

Yeah. So I think, well, you're going to have, just, you have a hard time at Darlington, not, uh, like, I'll be very biased. be back. Yeah, I'll just go like to say right now. Johnny Morris is going to get to have his car on TV a whole lot. I'm going to tell you right now. Bass Pro Shops will be said probably more than any other sponsors during that.

And listen, and to that point, Carson is doing an unbelievable job this year, I think. You know, like just putting himself in position. I know some of the finishes don't reflect how good he's run, but he's really been impressive this year. Super talented. Yeah. Yeah, super talented. He and I know Connor's probably getting a little more credit because he has that win at the road course and he's run so well. But both of those guys have done an exceptional job this year.

And on the topic, too, we want to say a big shout out to Johnny Morris and Bass Pro Shops for bringing everybody today's episode. We really appreciate everything that they do for NASCAR, Junior Motorsports, even, and all the fans. You can gear up at North America's Premier Outdoor and Conservation Company, Bass Pro Shops. Excellent. Thanks for listening to everybody. We'll be back next week. Peace out.

See ya. Check out Dirtymo Media. On Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.