Door Bumper Clear - 366 - Kyle Busch On Talladega: "You're Penalized By Trying"

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

This week on DBC, Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge are joined by one of the most anticipated DBC guests in show history: Kyle Busch. After a weekend of racing at Talladega, the group discusses the major moments from on and off the track. Kyle talks about his son Brexton’s rise through the ranks as a young driver and shares what it was like to race against him on dirt. In Spot On/Spot Off, the group debates teams turning down NASCAR’s “run what you brung” All-Star Race concept, promoters cautions, freezing the field on the final lap, Cup race strategy & more. Plus, the group listens to hilarious calls on Reaction Theatre, where Kyle Busch realizes there is more at stake every time he wins a race. Rowdy’s long-awaited appearance on DBC isn’t one to be missed. 'Timestamps29:23 Spot On/Spot Off47:36 Reaction Theatre55:15 Shit Show Hall Of Fame1:07:25 DBC Picks Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Should we just go back to being assholes? Yeah, that's what we are, right? Let's continue being an asshole. I am probably closer to Tommy than anybody else in this board. What the fuck are you talking about? I think the two of you definitely have being assholes covered. Who can really be a bitch when they want to be a bitch?

That was the first person to come to mind. I try to stay calm. Here's what pisses me off about that. What is that supposed to be? Exactly what I said. Who are you? Who are you? Well, fuck it.

I guess we'll just go back to being ourselves. Yeah, we'll buckle up because you might get you two ones. Yo, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to DBC Post-Taladega edition. What's up, Tommy? I'm Freddie Craft, by the way, Spotted for Bubba Wallace and Dean Thompson this weekend. What's up, Thomas? What's up, man?

How are you today? I'm all right. You still working at Rick Ware? Still, yeah. They still got you. Yeah. There was a couple of gallons showed on fuel, but... Is that your fault?

Probably. Well, we got caught. I think we both got caught speeding. Allegedly. Allegedly. But anyway, we wouldn't have made it, I don't think. Carson, how's your day? It's good so far.

I'm sure after we're done with this, it probably won't be. What is that? You know, come on. I was a nice week off. I was going to have to deal with it all. Yeah, it was. But for once, we had a cars tour race. It ended at 9.15.

So nothing's raining on my parade today. What about you, Friday? Are you still hung over from? That's a good night's sleep then. I know. Wow. Well, not when you got to drive home. afterwards.

Did you drive the truck and trailer home? Yeah. Good work. Joining us in the studio today is something that I never, ever, in a million years, would have thought what happened. But welcome to DBC. Kyle Bush, how are you today, sir? The phone kept ringing.

Couldn't get it to stop. It's like, geez, get these guys that go away. I didn't call them. I mean, I might have sent some people. They asked me, I said, you know, should we reach out to Kyle to come on? And I was like, you can. I just don't ever think there's any way he's going to say yes. And then a couple weeks later, maybe a month later or so.

said Kyle's coming. I was like, oh shit, this is awesome. Yeah, yeah. We're supposed to do this a couple weeks ago. I don't remember what happened. Yeah, here we are. Here we are. Well, thanks for stopping by, man. No problem. I was hoping to talk about a win. Yeah. Yeah. I figured a couple, you know, like, you know, talk about next-gen car. Your plate racing stats have been, I feel like considerably better the racing is, I don't, we'll talk about the racing as we go. But for you, it seems like you guys always kind of find yourself in the right spot. We do. Cars are fast. Guys at RCR, ECR, obviously, they build really good speedway stuff. You know, Atlanta's been good, in Daytona, Talladega.

And, you know, it used to be like if you were good at Daytona, you weren't really good at Talladega. There was something weird about the two that you had to have a different package for, but our guys have really zoned in on exactly what you need for all three Speedway places, and we've been quick. Yeah, just sort of screwed up this weekend, so that kind of sucks. It's funny because I feel like a lot, and I think I notice it. I'm sure you probably notice it.

I know Derek, me and Derek talk about a little bit, Derek Neal and Kyle Sputter. It seems like a lot of times you end up just working with who's ever around you. And for like a lot, I feel like the last three or four years, it's you and Bub of kind of found each other at some of the end of these races you know tell a couple years ago when you won we were around each other uh Atlanta the three wide finish we were around each other I feel like somehow we always kind of find each other at the end of these things yeah no we do you know I seem to have a few friends still on the Toyota side so that works you know I've kind of got a couple friends on the Chevy side I've got zero friends on the Ford side so uh it just kind of works out that way

where you try to find those guys that you can work with and you know and and uh you've been with before so um you got to have a little chemistry between those guys and it works yeah for sure um you You know, going back now, you know, obviously, you've been in RCR. I feel like we've seen a big change in the public perception of Kyle. I hear a lot less booing. I get cheers at Talladega, man. But, you know, going back to that, you know, obviously a couple years ago, you sold KBM, and I know how much that meant to you, that the company, you know, how much is that

heard or did it at all, like, were you happy to get rid of it at that point? No, I mean, I still kind of miss those days. You know, I do miss the, you know, the camaraderie and those people, you know, the, the Rudy's of the world, the Eric Phillips of the world and those guys that were always there every single day working to make that company as strong as it was and as competitive and dominant in the truck series. And so, you know, miss working with the Toyota guys as well, too, on that front. But just kind of came to a point where it was starting to look a little bit grimer on sustainability. And so I was like, you know what? This might be the time to just kind of say like, hey, if there's

anybody out there, you know, come take it. And then all of a sudden a knock on the door from the spire guys, they were like, yeah, we need your shop. We want to put a cup team in there. We want to put three cup teams in there. And we want to run the trucks out of there. Well, we want to run five trucks out of there. I'm like, guys, there's not enough room for all of that. So they make it work somehow, some way. But it is certainly, certainly full over there. But yeah, the chassis shop was always great. Those guys are amazing. Build real fast trucks. And so I still get to go run my five truck races a year, which is fun. I got to run Atlanta, won that one. And then coming up here shortly, I'll run North Booksboro, Charlotte, Nashville, and then Watkins, Gluck. as well. Was Andy G. part of the sale? Because I know he just stayed. I feel like did he just not want to leave his office or had that guy? Andy G. Andy is, man, he is, he has stamped his flag in the ground. He will forever stay at 351 Mazepa, I guess, you know. So I love that guy. He's awesome. So glad to see him prosper in his new role and what he's got going on over there. So I heard he's got a couple pay raises. So proud of him for that. That's good. I know Tommy, we, you know, we're talking about a little before the show. You know, how at this point now, obviously, So everybody knows your background, knows where you came from. But now moving forward, like, how cool is it for you to get the opportunity to race with Brexton? You know, I saw the one race at Millbridge. I don't know if you guys have raced against you since then. But that was an awesome.

And just, you don't even watch the leaders. Just focus on you guys. Right, right. Which was funny because I gave Brexton a hard time afterwards, of course, I'm like, well, after the heat race I did, because he started second in the heat race, which is actually prime starting spot. You know, the inside doesn't necessarily go that great, but the outside does. and if you can clear off a two, then it's yours. And so he messed up, and he ended up fading, I think, to third in his heat. And so he had to start behind me.

But if he would have finished second or won his heat, he would start on the pole or even right in front of me for the feature. So I'm like, dude, you could have beat me. It was all down to the heat race, you know? And so anyways, I at least got bragging rights on him that I ran in front of him. Although he was running me down, he was catching me. And I was about ready to make a move on me, and a caution came out. and then I was able to blast on a restart

and make a couple moves to get some spots. But that was fun. That was really cool. That was just, I didn't really expect it to be me and him at nine years old that we'd be racing against each other that soon. But he's really developed well.

He's really come a long ways. He's certainly very passionate about what he's doing, but very good, has a really good racecraft about him. Honestly, I've torn up more stuff in our micro world than he has. You know, I've gone through more front axles than he has. but it was just it was neat that you know at our home track here millbridge and we get a chance to go out there and run against one another with him being able to run in the wing class this year with his success that he had last year and restricted and when he goes out of town he still runs restricted but he also runs the a class cars as well um and so yeah it was just cool to hey let's might as well do it now let's do it now let's let's get this out of the way he went out there the i think a couple weeks later and uh we screwed up in qualifying he was way too loose so he had to come start from the back and he came forward and made some good, you raced with him that night. I was back there with him too. You were right there too. You had a rough night to start as well, but you guys were fast

later. But then, yeah, I ran non-wing, so I actually had a good respectable fourth place finish in non-wing. So, yeah. What is your thoughts on the development, like for Brexton or anybody else? Why are you going down these paths of what you're doing with him to get, like, what is the vision? Yeah, to me, I look at Kyle, Tiny Kyle Larson. You know, we, I would say he's probably obviously one of the top talents right now in our space and in the dirt world space as well too. He can get in anything, anytime and go fast. And so I feel like the dirt world and having that expertise and feeling comfortable, crooked and being sideways and not having the grip has helped him a lot over the years and just being able to carry cars further than they were probably potentially worth. and then obviously the pavement side as well too to just kind of get that craft as well of being on the pavement.

So like Bandoleros, Legends cars being on the pavement, the junior sprints, the micros and maybe midgets one day of being on the dirt world. I don't know that he needs to go sprint car racing, although he says he wants to. Mom definitely doesn't want him to go that path, but he'll probably, I think he should get some races in some of that stuff a little bit later on down the road, but then obviously super late models and things like that will be coming up soon too. So I like both worlds. Just don't stay in something too long and build bad habits. Exactly. Get in there.

Suffer for a little bit. Get good as soon as you can. Win a few times. Move on to the next thing. Which, honestly, I don't think we've really suffered in anything. He's been really good right out of the box in all the things that he's done. So he gets plenty of track time. I mean, I think that's, you know, a lot of dads across the country.

budget is everything, right? You only have so much money to do whatever you can do. And so with Brex, obviously, we're wide open. We run all the things. And so he has that opportunity and that blessing of being able to go run 130 races out of the year. And so like his craft and his ability and being able to get through a lot of situations happens so regularly that he's so much further advanced than many others at nine years old. I think your first dirt races when you guys did that all-star race at Aldor. Is that the first time you drove something? No, no. So when I grew up, I grew up in Vegas, and I was primarily pavement legends cars.

But I did run some dirt dwarf cars, some dirt legends cars. And then I ran five races and IMCA Modifides. And on my fifth race, I was battling with a guy for third. And I was only 15 at the time, and you're supposed to be 16. But I may have may or may have, allegedly, I forged a birth certificate. We hear a lot of that on this show. Yeah, I was going to say, you probably weren't the first and won't be last. And so back in that day,

you know, no social media, all that sort of stuff. So he didn't really know how old people were. Internet was just kind of brand new. And anyways, I dumped a guy for third place because he was blocking me. And so after the race, he wanted to fight in the pits, and I couldn't get out of my car, so I was stuck in my car. But when he came over to yell at me, he was like, oh, my God, he's just a kid. And so he called the local sports reporter at the news station to pull up public records

to see how old I was to know if he could kick my ass or not. That's a good story. I was just wondering how you related to like what you said with Kyle, little Kyle, we'll call him for this show, that feeling of getting as loose as you possibly can and catching in a dirt and doing all this stuff and catching the rim. Has that helped you run like the High Line at Darlington or Kansas or places like that to know that feeling? Is that why Reddick and Little Kyle are so good at those places, you think? They are comfortable on the edge, yes.

Yeah, I think when you are a dirt star and you go, it's not happening around North Carolina. I mean, Millbridge, yeah, you can run the wall at times, you know, right up against the fence. But when you go to many of these Midwest places where it actually builds a cushion and you've got to put the right rear up on the cushion, you've got to be bent enough to kind of back into it to it to then ride along it with the right rear. Because if you steer into it and you catch it with the right rear, you just, you plow over it. But so these guys are just so good of like being able to put it right up to it and early enough to it that then they can throttle through the corner. you learn a good sense of that on the dirt and being able to do that sideways with not a lot of grip

they're really figuring out that finesse. What's Brexon's schedule look like? I know you've got a lot of micro stuff. Is it going to make a legend car starts this year? Yeah, so let's see. This weekend, I think we're going to Kansas as long as the weather lets us. We'll go to Missouri.

There's a big race out in Missouri this weekend and next weekend while we're actually out there in Kansas. So I'll run on Friday night with them, but I can't run Saturday. And then, yeah, we're testing the, legend car we've already tested three or four places this year we're going to test it again on wednesday uh his debut you know jo ryan those guys with the legends car is joe ryan so we're working with those guys a little bit i'm doing my own program but with you know some joe ryan help and um so his first race will be at hickory

may 22nd at hickory he's awesome and joe ryan is like you are crazy yeah that place is fast it's sketchy like you don't want your kid to run his first race at hickory i said throw him to the wolves i promise you it's better than running his first race at like the slimmer shootout that was Yeah. Don't even do that. He'll go over there and just whip up his ass all of those times. We're doing the summer shootout, so we will be there. We're running it. That is like voodoo to me. I know. I ran it one year, and I think my best finish was third, so I have nothing to tout over there. What was, what would he, I guess he'd be a young lion? He can be a young lion, but we're going to start him in Chargers.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So Chargers, they don't really run for points. It's just sort of get out there, get experience. And so with him just running Summer Shootout, let's just get, he'll run the Bandolero, and because the, the Bandolero Nationals are at Charlotte. And so we'll run the whole summer shootout with the Bandolero to get him ready for the national race. And then he'll also will throw in his charger races with that. Maybe he'll win, you know, three of them and get kicked out and have to move up to Young Lions. Who knows? Yeah, we'll be perfect.

Yeah. And we talked a little bit here about you now, you know, obviously you're racing with him a lot. Now, is this something that you're just really into enjoying yourself or is this something you just want to do with Brexton or, you know, how do you feel about the dirt world right now? I enjoy it. I think it's fun. It's just, you know, while we were out doing all of this, traveling to these places, and I'm sitting there in a pit area, and when he was just running junior sprints, it was like, you know, I'm okay, I'm kind of bored. You know, I could do something too. I might as well be out there honing my skills or at least learning this thing and seeing what it's all about. So I've gotten into it and have run everywhere that we've been. I have a car for me, car for Brex. And so whenever I get the chance to get behind the wheel to go to the dirt shows, I'll go get some. You see that, you see something that is something continuing, like even if Brexton moves on, like, in, You know, Bresden's obviously, I think the ultimate goal would be to transition to pavement at some point.

Would you go back and continue to run dirt, do you think? Or once he's done, you're probably going to move on from that? I think I'll keep the stuff for a while, you know, and if he likes it and still wants to go do it and, like, Tulsa shootout, right? Like, we'll keep going and running Tulsa shootout. He has, right now, I mean, he's nine. He can be in the restricteds until he's 13 or 14. So we've got three, four tries of that class to be able to go get a win. And so our goal, you know, knock on wood, our aspirations would be for him to be the first one to collect all trophies of every division at Tulsa Shootout.

So that would be pretty cool. So we'll keep running that stuff when it fits in. I mean, I look at, you know, Gavin Boshel, for instance, right? Like he did all the micro world. He did the midget stuff and now he's in the pavement world. And so we'll definitely go do the pavement stuff. And when we can on weekends where we still have opportunity to go run some dirt stuff, stay on some dirt stuff and keep that. that craft. Plus, it's going to be like, oh, Brexton's going to run a super. Oh, now I need

a one. Now I'm going to race one. I don't think so. I've seen the budget it takes to run. I think I'm good. I think the dirt world is more my own. And talking about that, you have literally probably driven just about every form of motorsport there is. Like, what is your, what would be your favorite car? The car was the most fun to drive, whether it was a super, whether it was an Xfinity package, one of the cup packages. Like, what can you lean back on and think that was the one I enjoyed a lot? I've always enjoyed the super's. Yeah. I loved growing up with the superers when I ran out in Vegas when I got to go run. ASA was kind of super late models a little bit.

They were a little different, just a little heavier on a radial tire. But the super's were always fun. Going to places like Winchester was awesome. IRP was really cool. You get to go to Oxford, obviously Pensacola for the derby. I never raced Mobile, but that place looks bad to the bone. It looks really cool there. Raced Cordille, everywhere, all over the place.

We were talking about your Cordial race a couple of weeks ago, the one when you were out driving down the roads. Oh, yeah. I literally had to go all the way around, back around the grandstands in order to come back to the pits. I was dying. Then the next race, Doug Barnes ended up out.

He was out of the watermelon patch at the Carson. They got him out with the four-wheeler, though. He didn't have to go on a drive. All right, Carson, take us to Talladega. All right. Well, Freddie, we've heard enough. How was Talladega for everybody? Kyle.

Started out really great. There's a great. Qualifying was awesome. I was able to hold it wide open right along the bottom and qualified second. So that was great. Guys brought a fast piece. Yeah. So now obviously you got the incident early with Brad. Were you pitting? Were you planning on pitting right there? Or was that just caught up in their mess? We were pitting. And so I was, as I'm going down to backstretch, I'm looking, I'm looking in front of me. I've got Brad in front of me. And then behind me was the 21. So I'm just automatically thinking, okay, forward forward. So we're pitting here. And as we're coming out of four, they all started to slow down and check up, and we weren't really straight yet. Like my old adage is, okay, as soon as you get straight break, you know, and so we weren't really straight yet, and they were checking up. So I started to kind of like hedge right a little bit to get to the right side of Brad because

he pitted. Yeah, before you. He pitted two boxes before me. So I'm like, okay, I'm safe to be on his right side coming in to be alongside. And I got touched just barely, ever so slightly. The 21 went right of me, touched me barely on the right rear tail. which kind of turned me into Brad, which then turned us both sideways. So it all just kind of like culminated right there in that moment.

And so that that ruined his day, ruined Brad's day, and hindered our day for the first and second stages before we were able to get the front end set back right with the toe and everything. But we got through all that, and then we got into the third stage, and we got our ways to the bottom. We were working our way forward. And then that outside lane really suffered for a while there. I don't know what was going on.

Yeah, just saving. I think the guys in the front were just not going to go. Well, you know, the Toyota's up front on the bottom, they were rolling. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were going. Pace was 4960s. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was just, some of the guys were still saving.

You know, they were like, we were trying to push pace. Up on the outside. Yeah, like, Lugano was one, I know for sure. If he was up there, he was, like running 60% throttle. I swear he was pushing the guy that he was behind. It was, it was, it was crazy. Like, it was some of the, like, we were talking, I was trying to keep pace, because we were trying to obviously break away.

You know, we were like, if we could just get single file and break away and cause some havoc, but we just never could get away from everybody. it seemed like. Well, it seemed like everybody sort of picked the pace up a little bit. Because even where I was at, like I was, you know, above 70% throttle. And we were running the 4960s. And so I'm like, man, okay, like the pace is picked up. So the outside lane is kind of suffering here.

So I was just kind of riding and being in that spot. I think we're 10th to 14th, whatever it was, depending on how many cars on the right were ahead. And then, you know, pit stops all started to happen. And I was okay on that one. I made it to pit road. I made it to pit road. Made it to pit road. Made it to my box. I got left sides on our fuel only. And then, you know, when I exit,

what's funny is when we were having our damage repair and everything, I was like, okay, if I get back into this thing, how hard can I leave my box in order to get to the line as fast as I can to exit hard and build my speed? Because I think I was pit box six. So I was like, okay, can I be up to speed by the time I get to the line? And so I practiced it like four or five times. And so then I'm like, all right, I'm ready for it. You know, here we go. This is my moment. And then I gas it up and I get up. And I look to the right and the 20, 21 just gets by me and I get in line with the 21 and I'm following them and I look down and I'm like I didn't see any lights. Yeah, that made you went too far. And I was like, I think I'm too fast.

Because that's how yours is. Like if you go too far, your lights just shut off. Like it's like whatever X amount of red. All reds and then none. Yeah, if it shuts off, that means you're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I got caught for speeding too to 21 and us. We did too. So you just followed each other. So me following the 21's pace of what he was rolling obviously baited me into speeding as well. So excuse. our excuses I sped. And yeah, threw our race away. So I think we're going to finish somewhere eighth to twelfth and yeah. When we all got in line, I think we were eighth to 12th at the time that group of speeding cars. Yeah. Yeah. For us, Talladega was eventful. We just, you know,

we'll talk about it more in spot on, spot off. But, you know, just trying to do something different, try to run hard and make people react. And I think we executed as well as we could. The plan, it's just the plan didn't work. We put ourselves in a position where we had to, you know, trying to come through the pack and Ross through a big block and kind of stacked us all up pretty hard, which is what he's supposed to do. It's not no fault to him. But I thought we had a good day. I think we ended up with like the third most points on the day or something like that. We won a stage. So it's a good run for us. And I said, if you can sign me up for third most points and every plate race, I'll sign up for it for the next 10 years.

That stage win was good for you guys. Yeah. Yeah. You had a great pusher. Yeah. But we tried pushing him the first stage. Yeah, you tried. I mean, but yeah, the Chipper Jones wasn't a fan of that whole stage. I mean, he was. a fan of... I don't think Legano was a fan. They're judging by the radio transmission, I definitely think Lugano was upset with the... And it was funny because I told Bubba. Like, we're, you know, we're side by side with Lugano,

and I'm like, you're going to have to try to position yourself here because you're not going to get a put... You know, it's the two and the 21 lined up behind you. They're not going to push you by the 22, you know, at the end of the stage. So just, you know, keep that in your mind. Maybe the stage wins out. Just don't try anything crazy to cost you. Just maximize points here, whether it's second or third, whatever it is.

And then sure enough, down the back stretch, coming to the green checker, the two pushes us out and I'm like oh shit all right clear down now we just got to protect both lanes and and then I heard the trans radio trail I went down as funny Doug Campbell at Spots for Cindrick is one of my best friends and I saw the radio transmissions on uh somebody was texting to me and I was like oh good let me go down there and Joey was motherfucker thing everything and I went to down to Doug and they're all like kind of down there talking amongst themselves and I went down and say hey Doug hey I'm sure to push buddy he just got mad and turned around and walked away but yeah

yeah that was fun for me I bob had a good tweet last night about you know don't ignore the naysayers. Austin, you did a great job in stage two or something like that. It was overall intriguing on Twitter yesterday during the race. Yeah, I mean, the fact that Chipper Jones... That's probably where the most action happened, huh? Yeah, yeah. It was... Thank God it was... So, did you like the ending? Like, there was no wrecks, and I mean, like, how did that come about that?

All the drivers finally said, you know what? It's not worth it. I mean, is that's what... Is that the mindset now? I mean, pretty much. You pull out a line, and, like, I tweeted it last year. I'm like, you try to go for a win and make a move and pull out a line and then if only one guy goes with you, you're both going to the back, so that guy doesn't want to go with you. You've got to have like a slew of eight of them to go with you in order to do anything.

I mean, the aggression level wasn't even like... I mean, they were pushing, but I haven't looked at SMT, but I could imagine the front two guys being forwards were just holding up the road to just block, right? They just wanted to stay side by side. And the 5 and the 24 were not, they were doing the right things. They weren't like trying to...

Normally you're in that position, you're going to kind of try to work to get them out of control or get them out of it. But they just, they kept them straight. Square. It was just like, man, there's nothing going to happen today. I saw people. Yeah. I was needing a wreck.

I was looking for five or six spots. The times where I'm looking for a wreck, you know. I had seen some people last night being critical of like the second lane. I think it was a priest and then it was 200 cars. I think it was 24 and 48 maybe. And they're like, I can't believe they didn't even try. They didn't try. They just sat there.

They had two, you know, lined up. like coming to the end and I'm like, I'm like, you can't try. You can't try. You can't try. You're penalized by trying. Even like we talk about the end of the race, you know, Bubba, you know, we just, I'm like, we're just going to have to fill the middle. People are going to get impatient. We're not even going to move. We're just going to stay in the middle, you know, maybe try to wedge your way in some holes that maybe a little tighter. But if you just stay in the middle,

you're going to gain positions. And we went from like 20th to 10th on the last lap just by not changing lanes. Just stay in the middle and they'll all kind of move out of their way, get impatient, think they're going to make something happen and nothing ever happens. You just, it's just, you just go backwards when you pull it. I think Alex pulled out of line coming through the trial to like a little half-ass run to the top and went from wherever he was, fourth or fifth to ninth. You know, it's just... Well, somebody got shucked. Was it the 10?

The 10 ran out of gas. Oh, he did? Yeah. Okay. I thought he got shucked out. He moved up and then he got shucked out when he, I think he was running. He moved up because he ran out of fuel. Okay. Gotcha. But it's still like this, this racing, you know, we're pretty critical of it on here, like plate racing wise. And I see a lot of people complaining like, well, what do you want to go back to single

file? Yeah, because even as boring is that whatever we would run, half a stage, or something single file. At the end of the race, you still felt like you were in the race. You could feel like you were going to make, you could come from anywhere to win. Now, if you're not in the first two or three rows,

you basically are just hoping for chaos. Even the second row had a no shot to win. Yeah. I mean, how frustrating is it's for you. I mean, the only time you do is when you get too aggressive and you cause wrecks. Right. You know, if it's one, like you're in a lot of these guys

have been in a position after they take the white flag, they're going to do it on purpose because the third or fourth place guys probably the guys that's going to win the race when the caution comes out, right? Right. Yeah, that's what happened. I think you, Blaney was pushing you. Yeah. So I think the five and the 24 controlled no chaos yesterday. I think they did the best job when, you know, the guys behind them could have been more aggressive, maybe pushing them kept going.

But I was like, man, it's just nothing. These guys are just being smart. I think they're just tired of that feeling when they hit the wall or something. I don't know what it is, but. Well, that doesn't feel good. No. Blaney's had his fair share of them for sure at plate races. They might have felt sorry for priest, too, because he was...

Yeah, maybe they didn't want to ruin his day. Thank God he didn't win. Thank God he didn't win. Yeah. Right? Oh, man. But like, you know, if you had to pick a package, like, plate racing-wise, would you lean more towards what we used to do or do you enjoy this more? The tandem.

Oh, that was the best. The tandem was the best. As crazy as that was. It was the worst to spot, but it was the best. The spotters didn't even have to spot. Only one guy had a spot on a remote car. When we could talk to each other? That'd be perfect.

It was like, hey, Mark, it's Kyle. Yeah, man, I got you. Let's go. All right. Brad and Blaney used to be teammates, right? Yeah, finally, Brad Camodora Radio, because I was up top. He goes, Tommy, we got it. Like, we don't need anybody.

You're right. Yeah, I remember it was me and Lugano for a while through that stretch. Lugano and I, because Denny didn't like him. But me and Lugano, we would do it together at JGR. and then, yeah, we made it work most of the days. Rodney leaving is pretty big news. I don't know. That just never seemed like a fit for me.

I don't know why. It just kind of, I don't know. I think he was the hot commodity on the market, and everybody was going for him and gunning for him. I know four teams that were talking to him, and then he landed at Spire, and then it just never seemed to really materialize. I don't know.

There's some sort of chemistry imbalance there. Not sure why or what, but Rodney's a super, super smart. guy really talented, maybe keeps it to himself a little bit more than what we're used to now. Nowadays, yeah. Right? And so, you know, that's sort of a little, that old school factor. It's a hard thing to get out of because, you know, when a person that has that much into it all the years, they developed a lot of it themselves, right?

Yeah. So it's hard to get out of that niche of opening up, right? I got a different theory on that. It's just he's really good at calling races, right? And he has a lot of positives. I don't know if they made the right choice. You know, I don't, yeah, he was not part of what the click or what was being done. But you know what?

Let's find the strengths, right? They were getting better, right? The last three or four races they were finishing. They did. So something was starting to work, obviously. something was starting to click, but I don't know, man. It's, you know yourself finding good people and people that know what to do is hard to find, man. Yeah.

And, you know, I'm hoping he'll end up in a good spot. You know, obviously, we're all getting old, right? And he's not going to be the guy that's going to climb underneath the car and build him anymore, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, I think one of his strong niches, and obviously he's a very well-paid guy, which probably would have been overpaid, but, you know, working. on those trucks and tuning them trucks and dialing those things in and finding the little

nicks and tricks that go with the trucks to make the trucks faster. It could have been something, but obviously just something else going on. You can't get caught either. You can't be, you can't be pre-Ser Lugano going through tech after the race is over either, you know? Yeah. Well, the seven failed twice in tech. Yeah, this week, yeah. I saw that. Got it rejected. Good news is Rodney's going to end up in a good spot because I think he's coming here next week. Yeah, so we'll be able to talk about it. So we'll be asking. I was breaking, I forget whose chops I was breaking.

Everybody's? No, I thought, I said, I think what happened was Dickerson flew to Dallas and met with that general manager of the Mavericks and said, man, how can I fuck up a race team? And the general manager said, you know what? I think you should get rid of that crew chief. You know, I think that Maverick's a little something else. Anyway. Hey, it's Dale Jr.

And for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to. shop.dardimomedia.com. We've got plenty of options, and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop. Dottingmomedia.com. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? Are you ready? Spot on, spot off? Sure. Okay. It was reported that NASCAR offered teams a run what you brung style race for North Wilkesboro, but teams weren't for it. Spot on, spot off, Mr. Competition Director, Tommy. Well, spot on for us not doing it because it would have opened up the cost of, you know,

you got to give NASCAR credit because they do a really good job of making us spend money to come up with things that they can implement, right? I mean, it sounds weird, but that's what they do. So, like the tires, right, last year, the soft the tires, right, doing all the things. It didn't cost us any money, but you know what, let's try it. The All-Star race is made for us to try things, do different things, to come up with some ideas to make our sport better. I think this was probably a little bit more than what we all wanted

because we would all have to spend a lot of money doing things, trying things to make it work. And I think it would have opened up a bigger window, yes, for us to work on the cars at the end, which I know you would like, right? But the cost factor, it's already too much money. These cars are way too expensive as it is. I thought they were saving money. No, no.

No, they're not saving money. But I don't, I didn't, I'm glad we kept. All right, I disagree with you. So am I spot on or spot off on this? You'd be spot off. You'd be spot off because they weren't for it. Yeah, you'd be spot off because they weren't for it. Yeah, I was for it.

Like I thought this could kind of be that something to see, you know, this car is short track. It hurts. Challenged, right? It is short track challenged. Thank you. And so we need to find something ideas. Somebody brings something to the plate that we could actually try to help this thing. And so if somebody goes out there and waxes the field and it's like, okay, you know, what.

But what could have been the things? I don't know. Like, I think they were wide open to anything. Yeah, but there's nothing. to my understanding is I heard they were going to allow opening the motors. I heard that it was going to be a, you know, take the floors off if you want, add wickers if you want, like, I'll do all this stupid stuff or whatever. So I don't know.

I don't know where you finally draw the line on that. So I kind of get the team's perspective of it, but I think we, somebody needs somehow to figure out how to make this thing race at a short track better. Why are we running the high down force package at Bristol? I don't know. Why? Why? Why do we have that?

We have a short track package. We treat Bristol like it's not a short track. I don't understand. What are we doing? I'm 100% with you on the horsepower thing, because I think that's controlling a lot of... The tires are too good. They don't fall off.

I mean, back when Jeff Burton won New Hampshire, right? Yeah. With the restrictive plate. Yeah. I mean, that should... What did we prove? We proved that the same guy can lead 300 laps and win the race with lower power. Right.

So we need horsepower. We need soft the tires. You need guys that can blow through the tires. and slide out of the groove and make mistakes and things like that and hurt themselves by overdriving, right? And then the engine guys complain because then they say, well, it's going to cost their teams more money. And then they go to the teams and they're going to say,

well, it's another million dollars for our engine program because we have to run a higher-up in the end. Is it, though, because the same dollar figure has been paid to the engine shop for the last 15 years. Exactly. So this is how it, this is unfortunately the problem we have in our industry. Yeah, more horsepower is more money. No, it's not.

You guys are still charging the same. So this is the issue that we have internally from a team perspective. And, you know, I still believe in today's world, the truck series is probably the best product for the money with the Hillmore engine and stuff that they're doing there. Which is funny, because that's gone up to. Yes. Oh, yeah. I got, yeah. I was surprised the other day when I was looking at some prices.

For what reason? The hell if I know. Because you have no choice, you have to buy them. Yeah. True. You know. I thought it was interesting. Gluck was pretty adamant.

about this last night. Did you see his rant at all? I saw a little bit. Gluck was going off. M-Fing people and ass call people? Yeah, I couldn't believe it. About what? He said, I wish teams would just shut the F up and spend the money.

Just spend the money. Oh, yeah. You got enough money. There's enough money going around. I bet that some bitch when he buys dinner. The, you know, for me, I think another part of the thing was, you know, I don't know how long they've been talking about this, but it's kind of short notice. You know, like, you know, how much time do you have to develop something if it's, you know,

two months or three months down the road of, you know, whatever. And where are you going to test it at? We're not testing it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why it's run what you're wrong. Run what you're wrong. And I think, you know, I don't know, it's a double-edged sword, but I just think that, you know, to open up and say you're going to spend money on whatever you want for a race that only pays

one spot, right? I think just the winner gets paid? No, you get paid. Does everybody get paid throughout the whole year? Yeah, but it's not the open, the All-Star race, yes, but not the, and it's a decent I mean, it's been a million dollars for... Ever. ...twenty-three years, I think.

Ever? Yeah. There's no inflation with the All-Star. No inflation with the All-Star, no. That doesn't exist over there. So I don't know. I think I'm kind of more side with the teams just for the fact that, you know, it would... We always say on here, you give them an inch. They're going to take a mile and... Maybe morph it a little bit.

Maybe, okay, there's 10 or 15 rules in the rulebook. We're going to cross those out this week. Go play. And I know you're with me. I'd rather see us practice, be able to practice. with more of, using more of our tools, right? Wouldn't you love to make a spring change? Absolutely, no question.

Right, yeah. I would love to see, look, under the same deal under the official's eyes, right? Because we're only allowed to jack the car at one side at a time. But I think we need to be able to use our tools more, be able to make changes. Because the sim will be off at times, right? You're going to want. Plenty of times. I was going to say, I don't think cows are a very mixed sim.

You're going to want to make, I mean, how many weekends have you? rather not do SIM and show up and have an hour of practice and be able to change anything I need to change on my car to make it go better. Exactly. And I think that would probably help the racing a little bit too. I mean, I think it would. It would help my racing. Yes, it would. Yeah. I don't know. I just give me all the gimmicks for the all-star race, Carson. Do you just not like the SIM, Kyle? Do you use it? What do you—the problem is is it's built by humans, right? So when there's the human error that's in it and then you rely on what it is and you go to the racetrack and it doesn't, correlate, it's like throw it out. I'd rather not have it. Right.

Yeah, we went, this year, the perfect example, this year was, was it Coda? Cota. Yeah, Cota. How many? Oh, yeah, we were second left. Seconds off the pace. Wasn't even close. Seconds off the pace, yeah.

But that, what was funny about that is we had the 25 minutes of practice. Our first practice, we were so loose out of control, two and a half seconds off the pace. We come in, we come in, we sling everything we can at it in order to try to get it better. We go out for the second session. We're much closer, and I'm like, okay, let's, you know, I'm telling the, I'm I'm not telling them what to do, but I'm just like, I need this, this, and this more. And so they make more changes in order to get it close. I qualify eighth.

I'm like, man, I feel pretty good about that. Like, if I can race that and have that pace in the race, I'm going to be okay. And I go out and I go forward. You know, I drove all the way to the front, got the lead past SVG. Thank you. At a road course. And then, you know, we were on pace to win that thing, barring that yellow that came out. But thanks, Denny.

And so. Danny's taking a beating on this show so far. And anyways, like, that was our first legit shot to win the race. And we had practice, right? Yeah. We had practice. And that was our legit shot, our best legit shot this year so far to win a race. All right.

More All-Star Race. BS. This year's All-Star Race will include a promoter's caution, which allows Marcus Smith in Speedway Motorsports to throw a caution between laps 1-0-1 and 220. We used to do this all the time when Kyle was leading. So I don't know. It was either Kyle leading or Dale was in the Lucky Dog Spot. We would have these promoters' cautions.

Spot on, spot off, Kyle. Spot off. What are we doing? If we're Bailey and Barnum, then let's just freaking call it Bailey and Barnum. I mean, they went out of business. We know that, right? Yeah.

The thing for me is, like, if we're going to go this way, just go, let's go all out. I mean, let's just, you know, don't give it a Marcus. Don't let NASCAR, just put a fan, pick a drunk fan in the grandstands, put him in the flag stand with a yellow flag. You can spin a wheel. And tell him, no, just tell him,

anytime after lap 100, you get to throw that yellow flag, whatever the fuck you want. You got to drink six beers. You got to drink a chug a beer. No, the guy's got to drink a beer every 10 laps, and when he falls over, the yellow comes out. Yeah, we can do that. That is content, all right?

There's their entertainment factor that they're looking for. Maybe Freddie. Yeah, I mean, why not? He's on a... He's on a one week cleanse. Oh, yeah. One week. That's in Ireland.

He's trying to sober up from Ireland. Yeah, Ireland was that did enough damage. I don't need to drink anymore this week. But, I mean, you know, it's just, you know, honestly, if you really, if they're, I don't know if they're, I don't know if they're trying to make this better because all they're going to do is throw a yellow. We're going to re-rack and we're not going to be able to pass each other. So I don't know what the difference is.

But, you know, if they wanted to make it better, add 20 cars to the field instead of yellows because if we have more traffic, I think that like last race would have been better if we had more traffic and guys, that's the only time to pass. Like if your car was a little bit better, you might be able to get a guy because he's stuck behind a lap car or something like that. But I think just throwing a yellow with 25 to go, you're just going to re-rack and be harder to pass. Well, why don't we throw that promoter's caution?

And then he decides how many cars get to go race left hands and how much. many cars get to go race right hands. Tony Stewart. You know, I think. Love that. All-time greatest interview ever. That was one of the best. And coming off of Talladega, it's so fits this conversation. I think, you know, what they need to do is just have like seven or eight sets of red tires

there. And then like, you just throw a caution with. Open up the horse power. Well, no, just throw a caution with 10 to go. And give us soft shit and let us go, man. You want an exciting race. Just throw a caution with 10 to go and tell the last five guys on a lead lap, you get a set of reds and see what happens.

It's like just trying to bust through the field in 10 laps. If you want, I mean, if that's the only way you're going to get past, if they want to try something. So do you sandbag or are you one of the guys that want to get the Reds? Do you think, you know, that's what that would be strategy. Like, do I, can I get through the field on Reds? Can I come from 15th in 10 laps? Or do I want to be the guy leading trying to defend?

Like, you know, if you want to do, like, if you want to have gimmicks, let's go all out. Like, you just, you just said it. It's a gimmick. It's, we're gimmicking. Like, why are we gimmicking into good racing? I don't get it. Yeah. moving on

moving on okay NASCAR throws the caution on the final lap of the expanding series after Jesse Love made contact with Connor Zillich NASCAR used cameras

to determine that Austin Hill was the race winner spot on spot off Fredward you know it's they're in a no-win situation no matter what they do so half the fan base

is going to be bitching here because their guy didn't win or whatever but you know in my mind if they throw the yellow if they don't throw the yellow there everybody's bitching at them because Connor

tattooed the wall he could be hurt they need to get the safety equipment there. If they throw the yellow, they ruin the end of the race. Everybody's bitching about that. So I think personally, I don't know why you couldn't just send the safety equipment to Connor and stay green. I don't know their protocols if there's something in their rulebook against that because the field has gone by. He's right there against the inside wall.

Right now, right now if I'm race control, I'm like, send them. Yeah. Safety two, go. Safety to go. And then I'm on the radio to the spotters saying spotters after the flag slow down. Yeah. I mean, that's the, you would, but that obviously. I don't know how, I don't know why. Single car accident, yes, like, I get it.

And there was only one other car coming. I think it was Brandon Jones or something because he was backward. But my opinion, I've been in a wreck like that, and I've hit the fence a ton at Daytona. And obviously, you don't know if a guy's injured or not. I mean, that was a brutal lick. But regardless, like, you can send safety final lap. That's my opinion. It's a single car wreck.

Like, let them race it out back to the line. As you said, they're in a no-win situation. I get it. Optics is probably a lot of everything that people see, you know, so you've got to be ready to react to the optics. And so they've been harped on a lot this year for throwing the yellows. Or not too soon. Or not throwing the yellows.

I think that's the biggest thing is the consistency. And I think they're trying to trend in the direction of throwing the yellow right now just for the safety factor of it. I think they did it because you bitch so much. A caution's a caution. That's what we heard from you. A caution. If there should not be any. If a spins a spin, it should be a caution.

Yes, if a fucking fire falls, whatever. Yeah. Okay. Well, they did what you asked. I'm not, I'm saying that they're right. If that's the way they're going to, I don't care which way they go. As long as they continue to go that way. And listen, I know that's just half the fan, like I said,

half the fan base off. The only way to stop this. The only way to combat this is something that I don't think any of us want. And it's eliminating the white flag rule and making it so you, the leader has to take the checker flag. But we would still be there fucking racing right now if that was the case. Yeah. Because we just have green white checker after green white check.

So, you know, what do you want? You know, I don't think, I'm of the opinion. Like, I don't want any green white checkers. Like, just end the race whenever the hell the race is supposed to end. Or is the winner who ever led at the white. Taking the white. Yeah, but so much happens, you know, especially these places, you know, I just, I think you either got to continue to do it the way you do it or just eliminate the rule and say,

we're fucking finished like ARCA. You know, Arca's just, they're kind of a shit show. But they're going to, which I don't know what, I thought they always finished under a checker, but the other night they finished, did they just call it for, I don't time or something? I don't know what it was because they finished the red green white, right? Yeah, I think so. So I guess maybe they just took the white.

But I think even, I don't know. I thought it was multiple times. I thought they always finished under Checker. But, you know, that's the only way to just eliminate this completely. And I don't think anybody wants to do that. Wow. Okay. Thomas, did you have any opinion?

I'm with you. Caution's a caution. I mean, you know, but it's on the last lap and there's no harm, no foul to the rest of the world. And they already, like what Kyle said, they can say safety, go out get them. Yeah. I don't know. I think that, I mean, I think that could have easily stayed green.

And I, and it would have got pitched at either way, no matter what they did. All right. Moving on. The Toyota cars abandoned the fuel saving strategy during the race on Sunday. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Yeah, I thought it was probably something that somebody needed to try it. It didn't work. Did that work?

You know, when, when that group hit it. That's like pulling out a line thinking that you're going to make a move to win the race and you finish last. Yeah. Like, why? If the rest of the field is going to stay true to the strategy, what are you doing? Yeah, and when three or four of the Toyota's at the end of stage two pitted early there and got a good track position to lead, they were still light on fuel.

I didn't know. I felt that at that point they were going to try to drag the whole field into just running wide open, but not everybody had to run wide open to stay with them. They shouldn't have been light on fuel because they came back and topped off. No, no, they took the lead at the end of that stage. I know, but I'm saying they still came down pit road. They pit right before the stage ended and it came back for fuel. No, they took the lead.

The 11. They came off, they pitted, I promise you. Oh, they did? They came that pit road and topped off. Oh, okay. But obviously they needed less fuel than everybody. They just topped off from last, but needed much less fuel than everybody else. So they cycled to the lead day.

They come off at road to gain 30 spots or something like that, 20 spots. Yeah, I was in my computer at the time. It was a little busy. It was just, uh, fuck it. Let's go for it and see what happens, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest, that group, That was when they all pitted during the third stage, they weren't as fast as they thought they were as a group compared to the pack.

They were legitimately half a second off for seven laps, I think, six, seven laps. I don't know how much different it would have been, but the big thing there was the 77 cycle to the front of our line, and he was leading versus just the line of Toyota's leading. I don't know how much faster we would have went or have they felt we were going to be faster, but yeah, we gave up. We ended up giving up time to the pack,

And then we just, once that happens. You guys arrived 90s and 50 flats where we were still running 60s at the time. So it's just, I thought it was executed as well as it could be. You know, we did everything we were supposed to do. And it just didn't work out. And I don't, you know, everybody was bitching about Ross's block. For one, he didn't do anything wrong. That's kind of what you want to do.

You want to cause chaos. You want to stall that pack out as much as you can. But even if we got by Ross clean, we weren't driving to the lead by any means. You know, everybody else was already formed up and kind of going. So we would have been mid-packed best. So just a plan. that took a shot and it didn't work and come back to the drawing board and try it again. But, yeah, I thought I thought it was fun to just see something different and try to, try to shake

things up a little bit. Because some guys up there on the roof were like, where the hell you guys going? What are you doing? And they're like, there's crew chiefs reacting, trying to react. What do we, should we do? Should we continue to save? Should we try to match pace with them? I think ultimately we were hoping that they would not match pace or have to run harder to

match our pace. And it seemed to me like they were still able to save and hang on the back of us. to where we couldn't put a gap on them and that's kind of what the ultimate downfall was, the ability to still save fuel and maintain pace with us, basically. Nothing has me fired up this week.

Nothing got me fired up. No, come on, Carson. I told you we had a nice smooth weekend. Nobody called me a bitch. We were good. Are you sure? Nobody called you a bitch. Not that I heard anyways.

Luke one. Yeah, Luke one. Okay, on an exciting factor. That got fired up. That was fine. It's got Tommy fired up. Wyatt made his dirt late model debut this weekend. Dirt Lee model. Where's he running that?

They went to Natural Bridge. So that's how you fired up? Where's that at? Virginia. How big is it? I think it's like a three-eighths. I think I saw a video. Yeah, I think he ended up fifth.

Whose car was it? It was a Longhorn factory team or something. I forget what the team name was. Longhorn? Well, no, it was not a lot. It wasn't from their shop, but it was someone else. John Smith Racing along with Longhorn. Fuck you, Freddie Racing.

I don't think that team exists. All right. It might. It's very good chance. Let's get into some reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. You can call in 704, 802-9-572. I'm sure we'll have a lot of Blaney fans with toasters and things this week. Ever since Blaney came on this show, it's been tough for him.

It's like the only person's opposite. There are a lot of upset Blaney fans. I bet. How many calls we get, Andrew? We got like 130 or so. How many we got? How many could we use? Yeah, that's a good question.

There were a lot of people. There were, there were... There were like three consistent topics. Do you get any calls from the boulevard? Oh, yeah. There was like a few 1 a.m. and just people swear in their words, and I couldn't understand what they were saying. That was you.

Those are the ones we're playing. Put it out. All right. Here we go. Doesn't Sendry's ass look like fucking blund? What a cartoon high-pitched motherfucker. Fuck Ford. All right.

Big Ford guy right there. I didn't even know who, what is that, Blimpy, Blinky. I saw a picture of him. Somebody said, and Austin does look exactly. Blippy. Blippy. He looks exactly like this guy. They may as well just fucking rename this Talladega race to Mia Khalifa 500.

Or how much this fucking finish sucked. fucking where's the toaster. It's funny that everybody knows who she is. Who doesn't? Who? Uh-huh. Yeah. Explain.

No, I don't know. You don't? I don't know. Tommy definitely doesn't. I don't pay attention. Ask your kids. There's no chance. Ask your kids do.

When you go home, ask them who she is. Right in front of Beth while you're at him. No. No, you just got back in good graces with that. She just started talking to me again. Come on, Fox. What's up? with today. I went and got my snacks,

my drink, sit down, I wanted to watch four hours straight commercials. What do you all keep doing? Keep putting this dumb NASCAR race right in the middle of my commercials. Bro, two Wendy's commercials with under eight to go? I may never have a fucking baconator ever again.

I can give a double fuck list about a cheeseburger when we're at Caledega with under 10 to go. I'm stealing that. Well, not much happens. That's what I was getting to say. Like, you know, they know they can go to commercial because nothing's going to happen. Nothing's happening.

Once we're two by two with 10 to go, nobody's going anywhere. It's whoever pays the most for those spots because everybody's going to tune in at the end for the action that doesn't happen. And I think that it was, I think it wasn't full screen. I don't know who watched it.

I think it was still a side-by-side commercial. So it wasn't like it was gone. But yeah, there's nothing. They know, they're smart enough to know that when they're two-by-two like this with 10 to go, they're just going to stay like this until maybe something happens

on the last lap, somebody spins somebody out. But yeah, I promise you, you weren't going to miss much. We're going to close things off. We had a few Kyle Busch fans, Colin. Well, son of a bitch, I swear to God, and the damn race comes on, the wife tells me,

well, honey, if Kyle Busch will win the race, I'll give you a little something, something tonight. Damn! Yeah, I mean, I'm just going to come out and say, Kyle, if you don't get back in Victory Lane soon, I'm probably never going to see sexual relations with my wife. wife again. Please help me. Is that the same guy, just a different

voice? He's having problems, man. I mean, did you know what was weighing on this next week? You have a lot of things. And I bet you that's the first thing you're going to think about. The next time you win. Yeah. A man's getting laid. Shout out to all those DVC fans.

The Rowdy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. Hell yeah, let's do it. For Rowdy Nation. Poor Routy Nations got blue balls Everyone's hurt You better win a race

You know how much You're on? Yeah I feel it every week I wonder how they feel about Millbridge Can I get a little something from Milbridge?

Can we bring SRX back? I went two for two in that one Yeah All right Well to leave an audio message 247 You can call our number at 704, 802

95772 And we'll play the best ones Each week on the show Do you see Graves's tweet last night, which where is it's pulled up on the screen here. Let me see. I'll read it. And Scott, tee up the fan. Put this fucking tripod in front of the monitor, by the way.

This team works so hard every week, had our driver in position for the end of stage one of the guys who consider themselves some of the best drivers in the world can't even get through a restart. I see why you have insurance as a sponsor, Denny Hamlin. Can I file a claim? Craves guy got

wrecked when Danny dumped the bell there. And I thought that was really funny. I told Tommy beforehand, like I don't know, Scott really well, but... Wait, is that the crew chief of the 17? Yes. Who never says a word. Yeah.

Who never says... First I read it, I thought it was Andy. Graves. I was like, goddamn, Andy's going after Danny. This is tough. And then I saw it. It was Scott. I was like, oh, my God.

I didn't think that would come out of Scott Graves. But that was probably... He's a dry, witty guy. Twitter was lit up last night between Scott Graves. Bubba was throwing some jabs. Chipper Jones was all night, which I didn't even know Chipper was a huge NASCAR fan. Oh, yeah. He said he grew up just outside of Daytona, so he's a big fan.

and he was going on all night about Lugano. And then he was tweeting about Lugano. Then when Lugano got DQed, he was celebrating that Ligano got DQed. So he's not a Ligano fan. Apparently not. And it is now time for AskDBC, and you can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. Brandon would like to know,

what did you guys think of Cletus finishing top 10 in the Arka race and is he ready to go full time? Cup racing, just starting right to cup. Go. Go. Just stab me white on it. I mean, do you just see his talent? If you got the money, go.

I mean, the guy finished, this is just a sure testament to ARCA. He finished 10th in the Arca race won seven cylinders at Talladega. How many cars did finish? Yeah, probably eight if I had to guess. I think we're going to see a lot of Cletus next year. I think so, too. And why not? I mean, the guy moves the needle a lot.

Like him and now he's got his little cohort biffle that goes everywhere with him. Yeah, that was funny. But, yeah, I thought going from Charlotte through, What's that called? Dragon's Tail or whatever? Down to Talladega? Isn't that out of the way? Aren't you going like Al-Tro Boone?

Yeah. So you're going north to go south? Yeah, he's got plenty of time. I mean, retired, world, yeah, I guess. But that was pretty funny. It's just, it's amazing to see how many people, like, you know, they had their little setup on the boulevard and people just flock to it all weekend. I think they ended up auctioning off all the RVs.

They drove down there. But then even, like, you know, how often do you even see an ARCA driver in a press conference? And he was in every press conference I felt like he got interviewed all day Saturday or Friday, Saturday, whenever the hell they raced. You know, he just, he moves and he knows. I mean, there was a million, over a million followers or listeners for the stuff he did here with Dale. So, I mean, it's just, I mean, the guy puts eyes on our sport and there's nothing. And he's not a bad race car driver either. I mean, he hasn't really got the chance to show it because he got wrecked at Daytona and he got, you know, had motor problems this week.

But, you know, I don't have any problems with him as long as he kind of goes through the same approval process of everybody else, which God knows what the fuck that looks like. He's already at the two-mile track. He's cleared. He's good to go. It's over. He can run whatever he wants now. We're going to be seeing a lot of him next year. I hope so.

All right. Shit Show Hall of Fame. What kind of shit shows did you guys witness this way? So I'll let you guys go first because I got one from Ireland. That's going to top everything, I think. The Xfinity Race Big Hit won last week. The Xfinity Race Big Hit won last week. Well, not last week.

I don't even know what it was. It was Brennan Pool Crash. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you got any shit shows, Tom? I tried watching the last 40 laps of the spring Sizzler modified race on the plane. That was the shit show?

Oh, my God. Crazy. Did you have any shit shows in your weekend, Kyle? Yeah, about the last 20 minutes of the race. Right about the time they keyed up and said we have a speeding penalty was the end. Yeah, that was it. That is the worst feeling in the world to hear that. How does it feel?

You're a break, because Bubba tells me about this all the time, like, you know you're close. Yeah. Like how many times do you even know you're close and you don't get that call? But like, you know you're close and then you hear the button key up and you're like, before they even say word, you're like, yep, it's coming. On that one, it was like, yeah, it's coming. Like I'm not even, I don't have anxiety about this one. I know what's happening, you know, but there's so many other times where you're coming off

pit road and you're like, you saw that one blue light extra and you're like, oh man. Please no. Yeah, you're praying to God. You're like, maybe they miss it. Maybe they miss it. They don't miss it. We, and on the roof, like, obviously, we're the ones. have to relay it because NASCAR's calling it out over the radio. So you'll go through a pit cycle.

And then like it's always the same timing. It's usually like off of two wherever you're at, they'll key up. And as soon as they key up, you're like, fuck, who is it? Who is it? Yeah, but what's crazy though is like I had one at Vegas this year and we are in line. We've already chosen. And we are coming to the green and they go, oh, eight cars too fast on pit road. You got dropped to the back. And we're like, we already chose. When were you guys going to tell us? Like, what are we doing? How did you just find this now? What are, what's going on? That happened recently too with, I think Jonesy was, is it Darlington maybe? Like it was a close, whether or not he made the pit light or what, and he drove through.

And same thing. We're coming to green. And we've already chose. We're two by two. And they're like, get the 43 to the back. And I'm like, well, you can't do that. Now you've fucked the whole shoes up. Right.

So then they start moving them back. And then now we're off a four. They go, all right, hold on. No. He's good now. He's good. Put him back in there. So he goes back up in there.

And he ended up like all, it was all fucked up. But I was, like, something like that happens. What is so hard about the red dog? Hot yellow, throw the yellow, just re-chews. Even if it's a late call, whatever it is, but they can get in their own way sometimes. I mean, you know the pressure of having to maximize all that for positions nowadays, right? Oh, yeah. It's ridiculous.

I mean, when you're on, I mean, passing people on the racetrack is one thing. That's hard to do. And now you've got these pit crews that are blasting eight-second pit stops all the time. So your roll time on pit road is imperative, you know. and I've been, I'll toot my own horn for a second. I've been number one on rolling speeds for the last five years, but I probably do come off with the most penalties. You know, what are the penalties equate to how many positions

have you actually gained throughout the year? I don't know that we have a study on that yet, but, you know, I feel pretty good about when there are weeks where you come off, you know, rolling number one and, you know, you finish good with that. And we talk about that even with, like, Larson, you know, like people are like, oh, he just steps on it and spins out all the time. And I'm like, yeah, because he's the guy that's willing to go the furthest. Like, he's making those mistakes because he is going one step further than everybody else is willing to go.

Most of the time it works out for him. Sometimes it doesn't. Most of the time it works out for him. With the old car, it worked out a hell of a lot more for me. I'll tell you that. We've heard, you know, I've heard you say that a lot of times. And what do you equate that to? I know these things, everybody talks about these things being on a knife edge and it's really can't.

But there's multiple people that have said they just can't really get, not that they can't get the grasp of the new car, but like new car versus old car. how much different is it? I feel it's got to be something to do with the tire. I feel like, you know, the 18-inch wheel now with the shorter sidewall, like you have less sidewall flex. So that sidewall flex, you don't really feel as much as you could with the old, taller sidewall where you can get into the tire more and you could actually roll that thing and you could go past the level of slip a little bit and then you can kind of catch it back.

You know, now it's like when you get past that moment of grip into slip, it's gone. Like there's so much of a bigger transition of getting that grip back that it's just, you know, that that Razor's edge is so far gone that you just don't get it back. I feel like that's what really made your money as a driver with the old car where you could drive it past its limit and still be under control with it. You could find that edge of being in control over the edge. And now it's like once you get to that edge and you fall over it, it's gone. It's like falling off a cliff. It's odd because the amount of talent in times we've seen you completely. sideways over the years.

Yeah. You think the opposite, right? You think you would, that makes sense with the sidewall, though. Well, like the, there was a, there's a video of me from Kentucky, I think it was. It was one of the repaves there. And I come off a turn two and I am just dead sideways to the world. And somehow I catch it and I come out of it and I'm like straight to the garage. You know, this new car, you're pulling out the backup.

Yeah. You know what I mean? You're done with practice for the day. You're starting last for the race. And so it's just a, a. whole different thing right now. How refreshing is it for you to jump in that Xfinity car every once in a while? Nobody's calling? Nobody? No, nothing. I know what I said? You drove the collie car. I drove the collie car two years ago. Last year I ran Charlotte. I led laps at Charlotte with RCR and a 33

car and we just kept getting looser and looser through the day, even though we were trying to adjust for tighter. And I just, we faded. I think Chase won that race. They saved a set for the last yellow, which I think was 15 to go and he drove through everybody and won. But yeah, I just don't have a whole lot of Xfinity races. But the truck starts, I'm hoping that we can win. We can win all of them. It would be nice. It'd be nice to win all of them. So I'm relying on Brian. Brian fix that thing. Let's get that baby rolling. Let's go. I don't want to tee it up too much. This is, Andrew, you got ready to go? I haven't. All right. This is a real voicemail from the concierge of the hotel we were staying at. This was sent to Dugger while we were in Ireland last week. So

go ahead, Andrew. as a flashlight center and the whole matter was thank you and if you've only for do so thank you very much Wow so we're out and we got to the we got to Dublin there's a hotel in Dublin so we got to Dublin early so we weren't able to check into our room yet

so we were like do you have somewhere we can put our bags while we go you know kind of walk around town go to a couple bars and stuff so Dougger and his wife Tara put their bags in the concierge's room and then we come back to the hotel later and they go get them and I guess I had gone to the room already and Dugger was standing at the

cat of the desk trucked in and Tara came down and said something like I don't know it smells like somebody farted in there something just you know it's smell like In the concierge room where the luggage was yeah so she tells us to Dugger while he's checking in well the guy at the desk overhears her and he's like oh my god ma'am I'm so sorry

that this happened to you guys I will report this to management right away and they're like no no no no it's not that big of a deal like it's it's okay it'll be fine and he's like no no I'm going to report this to management so then what We forget about it. And then we're out. And like, I don't know, 10 o'clock that night, this phone call comes in and Dugger's like,

you're not going to believe the fucking voicemail I just got. And now we're giving terror shit. We're like, way to go. You got this poor guy fired. Whoever the concierge is got fired for farting in the concierge room. But when we got that voicemail that night, I was crying laughing. See, with that in my mind with you and with our people, I was thinking completely a whole other way what happened and what you did and the position you were in and how much you would drink

and I could just imagine that you couldn't find a bathroom and you went to the store. Yeah, I was like somebody took a shit in there. Yeah. And you just, yeah. Well, I'm glad that. And maybe it was. Maybe who knows with Terry? You know, she gets a little wild. But yeah, no, I'm glad. This had nothing to do with you. I was not even there for this. This was just. Allegedly. He's never. He's never there. He's never there. Never there. He's not on the roof either. I'm a saint when it comes to anything in the world. But, uh, yeah. I got to give a shout out to our, our driver Brian too he's a listener of the podcast he drives he's been driving dougar around forever brian dowling downling chauffeurs if you go to ireland call this guy up he'll uh he'll he'll take

everywhere you want to go set up everything you want to set up and he was amazing for us last week but uh yeah that that trip was uh something else a shit show all on its own but that phone call coming through the first or second night we were there was probably the damn highlight of the whole thing but yeah so i don't know it's terror the people won't vote on that because they won't hear about it. So what else is? Arc race was, I mean, it was a shit show. I mean, I saw who won Lawless Allen. So, I mean, it was. So it must have been a shit show. I don't even watch it. I didn't watch it either. I was in the care center taking a drug test when it was the end of the race going. So I would say the only shit show thing I experienced this

weekend was I've had a lot of things happen in Victory Lane, but this weekend I had to clean throw up off of a child. Who wasn't? It wasn't your child. It wasn't your child, Tommy. It was not. Whose child was? It was lame on Stock Victory Lane and the crew chief's wife had the baby, like a little baby and then there's a little toddler

standing in front of the, like, baby. Baby starts yakking. And I'm not talking like... This is not a little bit. Like chunks. Chunks and it's red. And the little girl starts to freeze and she's like freaking out

and I can see the panic in her eyes and I'm like, everyone's looking around for like something to get. Well, shout out Hoosier because I get these towels from them to wipe off the door when they spray the champagne. I thought you were going to go

with the little choker. Yeah. in. Fras wrapping right of kids' mouth. Yeah, no, no, no. So I get these little towels that I can wipe the champagne

off the door with so they can stick the wind sticker. And I'm like, all right, so I grabbed these and the little girl's just looking at me with fear in her eyes. And the parents are just standing there. The mom's got the baby.

The baby's still throwing up. I'm cleaning throw up off of this kid and I'm just like, what choices have I made in my life that led me to this exact moment? Listen, I got news here. That's probably not the first time you've had to clean throw up.

So, yeah. From a small child, maybe. Yeah, exactly. You got to probably give some. Put Jesse Love and Connor on there. I tried to kill his best friend. We might as well mention that. In their Twitter beef afterwards.

Was they beefing? Well, like, joking. Yeah. But I don't even remember it. There's not really in the cup race. I guess Danny dumping Bell, maybe. God, can we fix the wall, please? Jesus.

How many times do we have to hit that thing to figure out? What do you want fixed? The turnout? Okay. It just needs to be straight. Yeah, we find it every time. It just needs to be straight. It needs to overlap with the inside one.

It's not that hard. Why are we turning it out? Yeah. And like, we say this all the time. Somebody finds that every year. Yeah, wherever the bad spot is to hit at any racetrack, we are going to find it. No matter what, at some point in the weekend,

somebody's going to find it. So what are we narrowing our? I would say, Jesse and them, the voicemail. You can throw Danny on there just so people can vote Danny because I don't like them. They don't like them That's about it I guess I don't know I'm surprised you haven't given your Denny speech

He's great That's great Kyle used to be great When I worked When I was truck racing Kyle was great then Used to be He was I mean

He's always great But he was signing my checks then So he was even better All right Well remember to go vote On our shit show Hall of Fame Twitter poll

On who you want to be Who you want to see Be inducted into the shit show Hall of Fame this week And DBC picks Freddy you won Damn right I do How about it?

Austin Cindrick. Are you saving your driver for another one? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I knew Austin was going to win that one. Oh, man. I just, I knew we just had a stage win at us this week.

I usually pick us at Martinsville. That's usually my go-toe for. Josh Barry let me down tremendously. I usually pick one of them other Kansas. I told you it was a Kansas. Well, sure, was it going to be a good one at one point? I don't know. Where we go this week?

Texas. Oh, yeah. You get to pick with us. You got to pick for the guest. Texas. I'm going to go. Larson There's a stretch

There's a fucking reach I didn't pick them yet You can only pick everybody one time Yeah So Carson Are you good at Texas

He's gonna pick himself I do need to pick myself There's two There's two in my world There's been two inside of trading So far I know And they've won

All right I'm gonna pick Kyle Busch Oh Girl I appreciate that Can't pick himself now Yeah Rowdy nation's getting lucky Right

We're hoping out Rowdy Nation this week. Anybody that's not highlighted, you can pick. So have I been picked your saying? No, she picked you so you can't pick yourself. I can't pick myself now. No, you can't pick yourself now. You took my name off the board. Carson blocked you.

Sorry. All right. I know who to pick. Just help me out, though. I know who to pick. 45. Tyler Redick. He hasn't not been picked.

You're good. Running out of Toyota's. It's such a homer, dude. She has pick who you want. Try to win. No, I will pick Save your Toyota for next week Yeah, that's true

Yeah, Kansas is... I will take... Who'd you take, Tommy? You took Larson? Yeah. Asshole. Did I take Byron already? Why is this not in alphabetical order?

What the fuck order is this in? Bowman. All right. Going to Texas this week, Kyle, what do you look forward to going about? I mean, obviously... Are we spraying or not spraying? It's probably a loaded question for Texas.

Are we spraying or not spring? I have not heard yet. I don't think we spray at Texas anymore. How do you feel about, I mean, obviously, the reconfiguration has come under a lot of fire. It's a struggle. It's a struggle. There's a lot of racetrack out there in turn one and two

that we just never even sniff. No. I mean, they did this, they did it with Kentucky, and they killed Kentucky with it, you know? So, like, I don't know why we repaid Texas, but I get it. It was the drainage issue, right?

Yeah, we had that one year. It wouldn't dry. Oh, it was like that from day from the... I'm just saying that right before the repave is probably didn't have. So probably not the most favorite. racetrack on the circuit, but we got to go to Texas, and so we're going, so we're racing. Come on, those are not the vibes I need for this. I was, no.

Come on. Or for Rowdy Nation. I mean, I won there. You know how many people are going like, oh, my God, I don't know the week. I won on this configuration back the COVID year, 2020, I think it was, or whatever. So I won there, so we're good. We'll be fine. Yeah.

Let's go do it. Yeah. Thomas, prepare. What do you got just one car, I assume, this week? Yeah, we get, and then, well, I'll be. be in Menadnock, New Hampshire with Luke on Saturday, then in a war room on Sunday. Manad knock. Benadnach.

Manad knock. This is what we used to do. Mad dog. Mad dog. Carson, racing. A speedway this weekend. Wednesday? No one.

No, no, no, uh, week wait for you? Nope. Nope. This is our only back-to-back race this year. I'm talking about cars for Carson. You racing. Carson, you racing. Are you racing Millbridge Wednesday?

Uh, no. No. I got shit out of the micro ride. Carter's feeling better. So, We don't race the go-car to get you. Do you fit in his seat? Yeah, can you believe that?

For real? We didn't move a thing. Did not move a thing. I was a smidge tall for it. Yeah, no offense to her. I mean, she's a normal-sized girl, but like Carter is tiny. Carter's a 13-year-old little boy.

Yes. Little Carter. I mean, it wasn't probably the most comfortable configuration, but it worked. Yeah. You said you're going to Kansas with Brex? Yeah. Well, Brex Runs.

Wednesday at Millbridge and then we're going to Kansas as well. So we'll be at Millbridge on Wednesday. Are you running Wednesday? I don't know. I haven't decided yet. Maybe I will. Maybe I will. I feel like bringing a car this week. Is it going to help me in Texas? Before you guys race against each other again at Millbridge, they've got to get some better

parking. I was so pissed that night when I had to park all the way down the street. I felt like, I'm like, these assholes race here every week. I don't think there's any room for any. I watch. There is. They have a whole place that they can't use, though, because of the county. Yeah. The whole broadcast was basically.

basically like talking about Kyle and Brexton and then calling out license plates of people that leave the move their car. If you drive a Ford Ranger with a license plate here over here, you please move your vehicle. And back to the racing. That's fun. Yeah. So you're going just the tour race. To a race and drive all night back to the war room for Sunday. For Sunday.

What's Luke's playing late model racing? I know what's talking about that? He won his first cars to a race. The pro-late model race, yeah. So that was good. Fast time, new track record. Rick Ware racing late model? Yeah, brand new Fury car we built.

Nice. Tested with it Wednesday. Did you crew chief that thing? We tested with it Wednesday. Me and Troy did and had a great plan. Troy, Troy's a really good crew chief, Troy Smith. And, yeah, he ran good, man. He just a solid 10th bedded in the field all day long.

I think he set the track record almost three-tenths, right? Yeah. Rick was there, too. That was cool. I was bad he could be there. He came from the drag strip. And then he's going to. And then he went to Taldaigack.

after that. Yeah. Yeah, he was tired. I saw an old guy in Victor Lane. I just assumed it was you, Jeff and the Crucceiv, and I zoomed in. I said, oh, shit, that's real.

God, if I had Tommy, Jack and Luke all in Victoria, and had my hands full. The truck race at Kansas. I thought it was a really good weekend for Flo. You know, like I saw, I watched Flo a lot this weekend.

And, um... We had a lot of time. Yeah, we did have time. Plenty of time not doing anything. Just that I go out. That is a shit show. I show up and do two races. That's a shit show.

Taladega schedule is the shit show for us. The shit show. The shit show. The shit show. Two and a half days for one lap. And it's, it probably sounds funny to say this. But like,

I hate it. I hate just showing up and like a plate race is like, you know, spotting a plate race is probably the toughest thing we do. Maybe not anymore with the package we run. Just don't hit the guy in front of you. But, you know, showing up and just back in the day, no practice,

you kind of use that practice to get in a little bit of a rhythm or, you know, use those other races. If you're not doing the Archer race or the Xenity race, like you kind of use those races to get prepared. for, you know, just visually seeing runs, what you can see, sight lines and stuff like that, and then just go cold turkey. All right, let's go race. It's like, oh, all right.

It's taking me about 10 laps to get used to this. But, yeah, for sure, I think we just, that schedule there is a lot of dead time. Show up on Sunday. Expect the cars. Line them up by points because it don't matter by lap 10 anyway, right? You're going to be where you're going to be. Yeah. Flow, how much, I mean, obviously, I'm assuming you subscribe to Flow.

How much do you use that? I know a lot of guys, you know, like, but I'm pretty good friends with. wind them and sunshine in them. And I see them guys watching as they're in line for the heat race or in line for qualifying. How much do you guys use that, especially at a dirt track, like seeing lines and trying to read the race track? Yeah, that's the, I'd use that a lot, you know, like when we're at Tulsa Shootout or Chili Bowl or whatever, like I'm watching the two, three races ahead of time just to kind

of see where the track's going and then you're also looking at it to see where the water truck hits. Yeah. You know, so there's a lot of thing in the dirt world that you really pay attention to on all that. And how much do you think it's helped? I mean, for me, it's helped super late model, late model race across the country. and making names for these, Bubba Pollard. You know, back, you know, before 2020, I felt like, you know, you...

We didn't really have it. You just go, you had to go to the races to see these guys. And now you could, you know, you... It helps the late model programs, the modified programs. You know, I feel like a lot more eyes get on short track racing, thanks to them. Absolutely. I love it. And I think it's great that, uh, that flow is doing all that stuff.

I know Dirt Vision does Millbridge and there's a few others out there. I always try to figure out, you know, when you go to these little hodunk tracks, you know, you got to figure out, okay, is it a local stream? Is it a flow stream? Is it a big enough? Yeah. Whose stream is it, you know? And so, like, Legends cars, they have their own stream for the big national races that they have and whatnot.

So you're always trying to figure it out. So you're just like $600 a year. Yeah, exactly. Just to let you know. On every single. To that point, I think Flo is probably the best value of all of them. Oh, yeah. They get good coverage.

And it's a cross-border. If you're just a race fan to watch the different forms that they all have on there, yeah. And especially now that, like, every short track, I know, Riverheads on there, staffers on there weekly. Every Friday and Saturday night, you can. I mean, I like it during the week. You go home and watch the dirt races up north now. You know, they start on Tuesday nights and Wednesday nights. Yeah, it's awesome.

And they're friends of ours. So if you ever want to do subscribe, you just go to low sports. com. To sign up and get your subscription. I'm telling you, you're not going to regret it. No, we don't have no discounts. It's like I said, it's already a great value. I was going to cancel and re-resubscribes.

I think it's Code Fat Freddy is the discount. You get a McDonald's coupon with it. But yeah, but no, it's definitely sign up, like I said. Especially with all these short tracks getting ready to get into their seasons across the country, you can't really beat it. But Kyle, thank you for dropping by. No worries. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Maybe we'll get you back in here.

Yeah, thanks. At some point. We'll have to call them half as many times. After you win. All the rowdies be happy. That's right. Yeah. We'll get all the happy calls.

Maybe Kyle would be happy. Yeah. I'm always happy. Let's go. All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in again, and we will see everybody this week in Texas. We're out. Peace.

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