Door Bumper Clear - 38 - The Do's and Don'ts of DEGA

Episode Date: October 18, 2016

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You're win. Do you want inside information? You will not be able to repeat it to your kids, but you will learn and you will laugh. Door, bumper, clear is on. Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major, Spider, the 88 Cup car, 7x-Fiddy car, and the, 29 pickup truck and joining me normally. Brett Griffin, spotter, Elliot Sadler, Clint Boyer.

And rumor has it. We have a special guest today. Yeah. Any truth to the rumors? The jet. Yeah. Introduce him, KB. Let's hear it.

Hey, guys. We have a special guest. I don't know why he decided to come on the show, but we have Jason Jarrett. Hi, guys. Welcome. Thank you for having me on today. I'm not real sure why I subjected myself to this. Oh, yeah.

It's going to be bad. It could be bad. Yeah. So let's get this started. Josh, how is the football game? Josh doesn't have a headset. He doesn't have a headset. Josh said it was really fun.

They really sought their loss, Tennessee lost. Yeah. So Kansas. What do you think? Oh, let's thank Exalta. Yeah, let's thank Exaltzata for this awesome studio. Look at the backdrop, Jason. What do you think about that?

That's nice. We hung loose. T-J and I actually hung those up. We made them. With a T-square. We made them. It was exalted paint. We did.

We got some exalted paint set here for a few hours. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks to one man for bringing this podcast to you guys today. Jason, before we dive into this, man, tell everybody who you're spotting for and what you've been up to lately. I'm the spotter for Ryan Newman in the Cup series, Blake Cook, and John Hunter, Nemech. John Hunter, that's a popular name around Junior Motorsports.

I knew that might get your attention. Yeah. He's the guy that wrecked our guy. But fortunately, none of us were there that weekend. None of us were there. We were all watching. We got to watch it from Darlington. Yeah, yeah.

The truck shop's right up the road. Do you want to stop by there? I wouldn't have a problem stopping by there. I mean, you weren't there anyway. I wasn't there. No, we were all watching it. So Newman, man, good news. He's coming back next year.

That probably means good things for you, right? Yes, I'm in the process of finishing up my deal for next year. Yeah. So good things on that front. Blake's still in the chase. Yep, Blake Cock or Blake Cook? Blake Cook. Oh, okay.

It's spelled cock to me. Yeah, yeah. I heard you say that last week. So Kristen is surprised that we actually are under contract as spotter. She thought we just could kind of bounce around and go week to week with whoever we wanted. Well, Hamlin does. He actually does. Kind of, yeah.

That's pretty accurate. It's pretty accurate. Yeah. So that's good, man. Like, honestly, I'm surprised. I didn't know if Ryan was going to be back there or not. Like, that was kind of a question that I don't know if anybody really knew what was going to go on with that. But that's good for him, and I think that's a good fit for him, too.

Silly season is about to get really silly. I've heard a lot of things this week with some cup teams shutting down, some cup teams selling charters. This is really our first full year of having a charter in place, and there's some guys outside of the top charter teams, the 95 team, believe it or not, that wants a charter. Obviously, the 21 wants a charter. Rumor JTG is starting a second team.

They would want a charter. So I think we're within a couple weeks of really hearing what's going to play out on the charter side, team side, and still a couple drivers that hadn't made definite moves next year. And if we break the news here, it comes true in like two or three weeks, according to sports business. There's just too many jobs at risk for me to have the guts to tell you what I'm hearing. But I don't know. I think there's a lot of things. We had the silly season start sooner than it ever has with Stuart Hassan. We're switching manufacturers.

and now it's like nothing happened, nothing happened. I think we're getting ready to hear the hammer drop on all that stuff. So Jason, we obviously with your last name, we know you come from a long lineage of racing blood. That's a big word. Give us the down and dirty quick and where you come from, how you got into it, what you're up to. Well, obviously, if you connect the name, Dale Jarrett, Ned Jarrett,

have to throw Glenn Jared in there. You got to throw Glenn Jared. I love Glenn. Yeah. He, he, he's awesome. So I, I did attempt to drive for about 10 years. Made it, made it basically to the Arka series. If you, if you want to look back at what I did full time,

I ran five, five, four years in the Arca series. I did attempt to about a season's worth of the XFinity series. Didn't go very well. A lot of people would make excuses about it. it. But what I can say is I basically was as good as I was going to get that far into it. Right. So the Arca Series is where I had the most success and transitioned into a spotter,

I don't know, 2006, 2005. And that's where I've been on the roof ever since. I'm on defend his Xfinity career because he got to a team that we all thought was going to be a great opportunity for him when he got to base motorsports. I mean, that was probably the most prominent. Finity team he got to. Later drove for his dad for a few races. But the base motorsports guys were coming off a couple championships with LaJoy a few years prior.

But for whatever reason, the bum gardener guy, like the year before Jason got there, they just started to lose in their competitive edge. So again, Jason won races in Arka, did good Nick Finlay. He actually started a cup race at Talladega. Same race as dad was in, which was awesome. It was a cool race. I believe it's the same race that Elliott flipped down the backstress. Some of my better.

work. Yeah. Clear. Oh, I remember seeing that. And that was not one of the better things you want to see as you're going 200 miles an hour down the backstretch at Talladega. Yeah. Yeah, you're not a selfish guy, but I got to ask you this.

Gentleman Ned, Dale, obviously Glenn, not a lot for Glenn to really brag about on the driver's side either. But looking at your career in racing, what's your favorite moment looking back at all the family opportunity? I mean, your third generation Jared legacy guy. That's a big deal. Well, from a personal standpoint, I have to say winning the first Archer race at Kansas Speedway in 2001, it has to be on the top of the list from a selfish or a driver standpoint. But from a family standpoint, through all of the race wins that I was there for my dad and all the moments that I've traveled to races with my grandfather, but I have to say both of them going into the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Yeah. And being there to experience that with them.

That's probably my two favorite moments. I think T.J. can relate to this question because we spot for really good friends of ours now. How hard was it a spot for your dad? It was definitely harder. I didn't realize it at the time because he was nice enough to give me my first spotting job at that level. And I didn't realize how much harder it was. but since then I've realized that you definitely, I was probably a little bit more conservative,

I guess is the best way to put it. Just because it was your dad. Yeah, just because it was your dad. Just because you knew that if you made a big mistake, there was going to be a little bit more emphasis put on, oh, well, that's his son doing that job. Right. Not someone that's good at it.

Yeah. But since then, with him giving me that opportunity, since then I've been with five or six other drivers, and found a pretty good home with Ryan, and I feel like he and I make a good connection, and I don't have to be, I mean, I don't have to be conservative like I was with when I was with my dad. He's aggressive, too, though.

So, you know, it works. He's the type of guy, like, he will take it into his own hands, and he's comfortable with doing that. It makes it easier on the spotters when the drivers do that stuff. Like, I was watching off turn two when he was trying to pass the 47, I know you didn't clear him until after he had already pretty much cleared himself because that's 47 was like basically, I mean, he was making a hole. I think you're talking about when we were trying to clear the six.

Oh, it might have been the six. Yeah, their cars kind of looked similar. Yeah. They race similar too. They, you know, I think he and I both shared some responsibility in that particular moment in the race because I know how hard the six is to pass. Oh, you got to clear them. It's like passing a kidney stone.

luckily Ryan was smart enough to kind of be straight when he knew that the six was going to Yeah, he knew how to make it harder on the six And where he knew how to make the six lift Without you having to clear him within a foot Yeah

As soon as you see that six lift you're clearing him But he's basically already made the move To make it easier on us But yeah, I mean we're It's still a tense situation It's harder as a spot or two But Ryan's the He's very, his awareness is really high

When he's driving He knows how to make guys react, you know, make certain moves and when to lift and stuff. And he obviously knows how to make it hard to pass when he wants to as well. I think the personal toughness for me in my career was, and T.J. can speak to this too. You spot for Elliott all day and then you fly home with him, and it's just you and him on the plane. So if you screw up, it's awkward. You know, like you literally spend 500 miles going. I'm not screwing up this flight home.

Yeah. Yeah, that's only really happened one time, and that's when, you know, this is back, this is not long until we started at Hendrick and we got that COT, and I don't think any of them drivers liked that car. I think it made them all angry during the race because no one, they all drove bad. And, yeah, that only happened one time. I don't think we spoke on the ride to the airport, the airplane ride. We finally spoke in the car riding home.

Yeah. And it was interesting for about. five minutes, but after that it was just done and end over with. I had that happen at the year I spotted for, the first year I spotted for dad at Sonoma. Yeah. We, that's a long flight home, by the way. Five hours is a long flight. They come up out of turn two, basically where we can see the car is the best.

Right. And there's two or three cards that are stopped. And I just totally, I just totally miss it. I was late. Yeah. Missed the call. he and Bobby Labani and maybe two other cars just pile in up there off the turn too. Dad like breaks a bone in his wrist.

Yeah, screwed his golf came up. Yeah, for like a year. Yeah. So needless to say that he would talk to me even now is pretty amazing. But definitely screwed up the flight home. Yeah. Set in silence. Luckily, probably listening to some music.

Yeah. Him talking to me, that didn't happen on one flight. Thank God we can all hug it out now. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been awkward. You guys want to go into spot-on, spot-off? Yes, yes. Is that what you're tapping me?

Do you want to? That's what that elbow in your ribs means. All right, so have you ever listened to the podcast? You won't hurt our feelings if you say no. Yes, I'll hear Brett's feelings. Okay, so spot-on, spot-off. We'll start with you, and you just say whether it's spot-on or spot-off. Okay. And why. We'd like to hear why.

You got to say it like Brett, and this is why. And this is why. All right, Martinsville adds light, spot on, spot off. I say spot off. I like Martinsville the way it is. I'm just not a big fan of night racing. I'll go, I go, I'm actually going to use both here. I go spot off because, like Jason said, I like the Sunday,

I like the Sunday day race at Martinsville, but I also, the only way I will be spot on with it is I think it would be a great. Saturday night. I don't like my, like he said, I don't like night races at mile and a half, especially. Martinsville, I think, will be a little bit different because you can't get away, whether it's light or dark, you're not going to be able to get away from each other.

If you're mad and the guy runs into you, he's not going to get away that easily. So they'll still be, you know, there's always the great thing about Martinsville is you can watch leaders and they're not, you know, they're driving hard and stuff, but there's always something going on somewhere on the racetrack that I don't think the TV gets half the time.

There's always somebody you're bumping into somebody and they don't get all that. So, That I don't think it's going to change now is that's the only way I really like the lights is if we can run on on a Saturday. I don't want the chance to stay there. Oh, Sunday it's raining. We're going to be here until 9 o'clock or midnight on Sunday night now for a race. I don't like that aspect of it. I'm spot on and here is why.

Because in the chase, we don't have time to wait out to be done at 6 o'clock. So these lights enable us to do exactly what TJ doesn't want to do. enable us to be able to finish the race on Sunday night. When we go to Martinsville, it gets dark at 6 o'clock. So if we can't start the race by 2 o'clock, which for some reason, some of these clowns want to start these races late and make us miss opportunities to race if we even get a small rain shower. So these lights, I think I've said it before, every single track in the chase with the exception of Talladega should be required to have lights to get these races in for the fans, to get the races in for the TV audience, and to get the races in for us. When we leave

Martinsville, we have to go out west for two weeks. It's not a quick trip to Texas, a quick trip to Phoenix. So we need that day back for the potential rain out. That's why I'm spot on. You're the minority though, right? Over like everything that was social, you know, in the way you think. Social? Yeah. Everyone was like, this is a really bad idea. Mars was a great racetrack, man. I find it hard to believe that we can't run a great, like Bristol. To me, I think I love the Bristol night race. The thing about the lights for me, is it screws up the mile and a half racing. Yeah.

During the day, the track is slick, the track produces better racing, and for some reason we've trended toward night races at those places. Night races are cool at short tracks. We all grew up racing on Saturday night. Yeah. So that's cool. We got that Morse code back. Yeah.

But to the point, I'm not a fan of night racing at all on anything that is on a short track. Yeah, that's what I was saying. And anywhere, I don't mind, you know, places like Rockingham wouldn't bother me. That'd be fine for a night race just because you know there's so much fall off in the tires. We'd be the only ones there too because. Yeah. Well. But like you said, night racing, short track night racing is what most of these guys grew up on.

And that's where they came from. And the night racing a mile and a half, it's so grippy and cool. It cools off. They didn't really announce the intention of adding lights, did they? No. No. They did already announce that next year's late model, the late model show.

Saturday night. Yeah, Saturday night, Rachel. That should be. I mean, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and honestly, that gives us a chance because we're normally in Kansas. They just ran it this last weekend.

We're normally in Kansas and can't really keep up with it that well. Now I think it's better for that because now it's going to give that race. More attention. People are going to be able to watch it and tweet about it. And that's going to be, I mean, if you got Dale Jr. sitting in Kansas tweeting about his late model guy leading a race or, running the race, you're going to be tuning into it and stuff. So I think that's a win there.

I bet this next topic. Spot on, spot off. I sign an autograph for a door bumper clear fan. Was that your first autograph you've ever signed? No. No way. I want to hear about the first one. Michigan, there was a guy that had a bag full of photos.

So he had like Dale and Amy. And you? Yeah. Okay. Okay, that's. And he asks me, he listens to door bumper clear and he asked me to sign. my picture that I think he pulled up my Facebook page. It was like my profile picture because my Facebook's private.

Yeah. You should open it up. I want to say spot on because was this guy. The guy this past weekend was so nice. Was he hot? He wasn't weird at all. Was he hot? He was attractive.

Yeah, so you're hot. Wasn't he there with that woman? He's hot. Yeah. She was attractive, too. This is awesome. Congratulations. Thank you.

He was wearing a door bumper clear shirt that T. He was. And then he bought a new one. Nice. And he had all of us sign it. And he had 75% and he didn't have jobs. He was cool. He was a really nice guy.

He was a really nice guy. You could tell he was a good race fan. Like he was happy to be there and stuff. I had more people stop me in the garage there to say they listen to this podcast and anywhere we've been. So Kansas must be a big following. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Did you do it neatly or just scribble it? It was actually really tough to do with a Sharpie on a shirt. You got to hold it really tight. You got to have people hold it. Yeah, tight's important. I should have consulted you the autograph guru before I did it. It's just common sense. Fabric moves.

Oh, God. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR announces a reduction in down force for twice. Wait, I didn't get spot on that or an off. You didn't get me the channel. It's a shirt. We know. Spot on.

Jason? I'll say spot on. Sign every autograph you can. Yeah. Okay, now you can go. Spot on, spot off. NASCAR announces reduction in downforce for 2017. Brett.

Spot off. I want to hear reduction of side force. You know, I know down force side force can play together, but, you know, we've talked about how slam these. These cars are downforce is important. We're going to make the spoiler smaller. How? It's like three quarters of an inch tall now.

Is the side skirt rank coming? I want to see, not yet. I want to see the right rear have like four inches cut off the quarter panel. Like do something to take side force off these cars. Yeah. I'll go spot on. I think any time we can take some downforce away, no matter what, it always seems like the team's fine more.

If NASCAR takes something away and does something and we lose, you know, 50 counts of down force, the teams find it back. We chip away at it and get back to it. So anytime I think, and I think the 17 package, when we ran it, I thought they were good races. You could see the guys, I thought the drivers had to drive harder. And they don't necessarily like it all much,

but I think it's pretty awesome to watch whenever we run that 17 package. I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll, I think it's going to even the playing field up quite a bit too. I'll say spot on. Anytime they try to make the racing better, you have to say spot on. Especially with down force. When there's a while We had just way too much down force

I mean that with that splitter Like the splitter on the ground I'd like to get rid of the splitter to be honest with you It ruins race cars Like before when we had a valence in the front You could get in the grass spin out Now when the... Come right back

Dude there was an oil cooler on the front stretch From somebody just getting into the grass That's not right It tore the whole front clip off that car There was literally a legit oil cooler Sitting at to start finish line It ripped it out of the car just for spinning into the grass.

There is no way they shouldn't have brought that car down pit road, kicked the valence back out and went back out there and raced. We are ruining race cars with that splitter. To me, anyway. I mean, the downside of it goes back to what you were saying. The teams are almost already ahead of the rule changes. They're going to fine tune it. They're going to fine tune it still.

But I just, I know you don't like the side skirts, but I don't like the splitter. It just ruins race cars, man. I see a kid spin out at Charlotte in Exfini practice. And he spins down on the grass. It should be just a solo spin. No, it destroys the car. Last year was it that spot out twice.

Destroyed two race cars, like 79 or whatever car it was. Never hit a thing. Never hit a thing. Hit the grass. Tore the whole front and off both in race cars. What was it Kyle Bush said last year? We needed to do away with all grass. Did he say that? Somebody was saying it.

But, you know, I disagree with that. I mean, in the grass, it's part of it. It's pretty. We can't pave the whole front stretch, you know, Kansas or something. Something like that. We'd be racing on it. Yeah, we would be cutting it. We'd be driving through it. Yeah. That's a good point. Spot on, spot off. Kyle Busch and Kyle Larson were penalized 30 minutes of practice for swerving at Charlotte.

Well, spot on for them for doing something. You know, hey, they said not to do it and you do it. That's a pretty severe penalty for doing something like that. But it was kept real quiet, though, to me. It was kept quiet. Yeah, it was kept pretty quiet. I say spot off. I don't think this is far enough.

If you're going to penalize them for cheating, put them the last car on the lap they're on, or make them miss the whole first practice, make them go qualify with zero practice. Yeah. This still isn't a deterrent because when we look at Friday at Kansas, the first 15 minutes of the practice was spent removing ARCA rubber anyway. Yeah.

It wasn't that big of a penalty. It's not as big as it sounds. No, we honestly, we all unload. You don't really change your car that much from when you unload unless you're just way off. And most of these guys, so they all have, they have teammates. You think Kyle Notebook's not

very thick? I mean, he's got three other championship contenders right there to bounce off of. And you know, Larson's got the one car. He's already out there running laps or whatever, so they're not, I don't really think that's even doing a lot. I'll say spot off. It's not really a

penalty. They have plenty of practice. Both of these guys run the Xfinity races. because they have plenty of laps. And that's not much of a penalty for what they were attempting to get their car back in alignment or whatever that does. Yeah. Yeah. Christina, you want to take a break?

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This is Kelly Earnhardt Miller. Tune in every other Wednesday to listen to Fastlane family right here on Dirty Mo Radio. Are you ready? T.J. Stop sniffling. You need a tissue. All right. going to fast lane. I'm going to give TJ and Brett and Jason a topic to debate and each gets 30 seconds to voice their opinion. You all ready? We're ready. T.J., you're going first, K. No.

Is Kyle Bush the best Xfinity series driver of all time? No. He is not. That's where you give one word answers. He is not the best Xfinity driver of all time. He is simply a really good driver. He is a really good talented driver, but he's in cars that turn themselves and he basically does nothing. The robot cars? He is, I don't even think he wears his fire suit. He just sits there with one hand on the wheel and kind of rides like a Cadillac. Jason, I don't know how he fell up after that.

He's obviously in very good race cars, but so was Mark Martin when he was winning all the races. It's hard to just flat out say someone is the best, but he's definitely the best right now. And back when Mark Martin was dominating, he was the best at that time. Win Dixie car. Exactly. Yeah. And that 60 would hit the track. Here's why he's not the best.

Go back and look at his stats when he drove his own car with a number 54 Monster Energy Toyota. He sucked. He could not win a race. He could not run top five. Everybody was kicking his ass. He realized it. He merged all that with JGR to get himself back in good equipment so he can make himself look good. Yes, he's talented.

Yes, he's one of the best. know he's not the best. Anyone want a rebuttal? I think we all agree to no. Cup heads to Talladega this weekend. Daga is always a crap shoot for what can happen. What is more likely to cause the big one at Dega, the spotter or the driver? Jason?

Wow, I get to go first on that. And we're going to need a name. I mean, I think ultimately, no matter what, the driver is always either the one that wins the race or the ones that cause the wrecks. He turns the wheel. There's very few times that the spotter is actually the cause of the wreck. Now, lack of information, not saying anything at all, sure, that can cause a wreck. But I say, I say driver.

I'm actually going to the Alabama, Texas A&M game. So I may be the reason for the big one on Sunday. I believe that the driver has a steering wheel. the mirror, I'm giving my guy the information, so hopefully it's certainly not the spotter for the 15 car. Yeah, you know, there's a good chance it could be the spotter now, though, because they're going to be talking to these drivers into aggressive moves. And if you don't describe it early enough, you know, obviously the driver's turning the wheel, but if you don't, if you're trying to tell them that there's a big run coming on the top and they're five back, you know, by the time you get

telling them, they're two back and he tries to get up there, and there's just not quite, white room. I mean, that could be a problem. It's going to be, you know, what we all see, no matter what happens, is frequently the driver gets on television and says, my spotter didn't tell me. Does that happen often where they throw the spotter under the bus, knowing that they have to work with him for the rest of the year? Yeah. Really?

I've been lucky that it hasn't happened. I think it happens. It's less likely to happen. Like in the heat of the moment or what? Well, it's less likely to happen when you have a good relationship with the driver and spotter. but when the driver and spotter don't have when they just have basically a working relationship and they're not comfortable

is you know you know not just not personal with their driver as much then you might have like there's no loyalty yeah like you've been with LA for what 15 13 15 years Ellie's not going to get on there Dale Jr. is not going to get on there and say man well too you didn't tell me this guy was coming

you know he's not going to do that so and I'm not doesn't even cross my mind that he would do that so Jason have you ever been throwing under the bus I mean, I may have, but publicly or on an interview or anything like that, I don't remember it. I feel like Ryan, he's pretty straight up. He's going to come to me if he has a problem. Yeah.

So we have a good relationship. Yeah. The hard part for us, and I don't mean us three, I mean us 40 spotters, is they have our in-car audio. So it's really easy for them to pull it up and put TV with it. What they don't do, though, is sync up what we're seeing with what we're saying. For whatever reason, when TV replay stuff, we're three to five seconds behind when we're actually saying it.

So it's easy for TV to kind of misconstrues some of that too. And two to three seconds is huge. Oh, two to three tenths of a second. Yeah, two to three seconds in our lot, no matter where you're at, Martinsville or Talladega. Yeah. Two to three seconds, it's pretty big. Yeah.

So, yeah. The All-Star Race is in need of a makeover. What are your thoughts on this idea? Top 10 qualifying drivers from all three top series race at once in their series cars? What? I know. I think this sounds awesome. It sounds awful.

Here's the thing. You get the cow bushes and, is enjoy Lugano's out of the Xfinity cars, right? You get them out of the truck series. You have 10 best cup drivers, 10 best Xfinity drivers, 10 best truck drivers, and their respective cars in the same race at the same time. We say go, clearly the cup cars are going to win. They're supposed to.

They're the All-Stars. But we make it really challenging for those 30 guys to go out there and do their job. Man, I don't, I don't, that's impossible. That would be so, that would be really funny. There's not enough spotters. Like, there's not enough spotters for all that. That would even make it even better, right? Everyone has new spotters?

Yeah, or no spotter. Or you do both your cars or trucks or whatever you got at one time. Yeah, I mean. Jason? Simple. Just put the All-Star race at a short track. Yeah. Martin's under the lights.

Saturday night. Have some inverting going on or something. Have a fan come out of the stands, draw a pill out. He picks six. We'll put the sixth-place guy in the pole and see what he's got. Or there was a... What about the All-Star race where they... I just liked to censor.

It wasn't even his time to be dinged. Like, I thought the Charlotte idea was pretty good, like where a certain amount of guys couldn't pay. If there's tire fall off, that could be pretty fun if there was some tire fall off, because I'd love to see... That last All-Star race was great. Well, what about, like, you put a guy with tires at a short track to get up through there.

That'd be pretty good. Mile-a-half is hard to do because there's just so much air-dependent. You get to a short track, though, and you give a guy in 10th with tires to come up through there, that could get pretty interesting. definitely should we have quicky yellows near the end of a race jason you go first jason let jason go first yeah we're me and brett we're talking about this i mean it happened at the end of both races this

weekend i don't think it should happen in the chase for sure explain what a quickie yellow is okay you explain what a quickie yellow is jason normally if the caution comes out when pit road when the uh when the director opens pit road he'll do what they call the cycle so the lead lap cars get a chance to pit first the first time by the lap down cars the second time by so when it's a quickie yellow that means everyone whether you're five laps down or on the lead lap you can pit and i just think in the chase it um it just shouldn't happen either at the end of end of the chase race or in the chase at all you should not have quick yellows yeah i'm torn on this one because i don't like like quickie yellows, but I also like green flag racing too. And if you do the quickie yellow, you're obviously gaining a lap of green flag racing. Um, I don't know. You know, I see what you're saying. No, I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want the leaders all to be pitting if there's a bunch of lap

cars coming down. But most of the time at that point, if it's a quickie yellow, we've already had a previous yellow that was close to it. Um, and they know everyone's probably not going to pit. So there's really no reason to, to have that long drawn out caution period. The only time the quickiello should be permitted is if we're at the end of a race and we've just run five or less laps under green. What happened this past weekend is we had run a lot of laps. They throw the quickie yellow. All the cars come down pit road.

The lap down cars are going to screw up the lead lap cars pit stops because it's not easy to get in and out when pit road's full. Bad, bad move. It happened to us in the Xfinity race. Yeah. We were coming out of our pit box. Blake was coming out of his pit box. Blake cock.

Yes. And there was a lap down car that obviously was later than us getting on pit road coming into his box. Did you want to say who that lap down car was? I don't even remember who it was. Mike Harmon. Let's say it's Mike Harmon. No, let's. You say his name enough. I know what you're saying, but this goes back to also you take that into consideration when you qualify and you pick your pit stalls. This is more of a reason to go out there and try to be the best you can in qualifying because then you get the opening out. Whatever, you know what I mean?

You get the opening in, then you can get to distinguish on where your stall is going to be. You remember how bad the 88's qualified most of the year? I was remember the last two weeks, buddy. That's good. Short-term memory. Like a fish, man. It's like golf. Fish have short-term memory?

Three seconds. What? Really? What? All right, the off-the-wall topic. Tony Romo went down in the preseason for an injury. The rookie quarterback, Dak Prescott has taken the team to a 4-1 record. and first in the NFC East.

In your opinion, should Romo regain his position as QB when he's cleared to play? No, Romo sucks. Tony Romo what? Tony Romo is terrible. This guy has won one playoff game in 10 years in the league. He's the reason the Dallas Cowboys are on the decline. He and Jerry Jones. I was a lifelong Cowboys fan.

I was going to say you're a Cowboys fan here. Stop pulling for him because a Romo who can't catch a snap to kick a freaking field goal to win a playoff game. You are. I'm over that guy. You are. Wow. Should we bring Danny Earnhardt Jr. in here? Do you hold grudges?

Geez. Yes. I feel like we need to get Tony on here. Dang, bro. I've always been a cowboy fan. Yeah, you too. Still a Cowboys fan. Yeah.

Keep what's working. Yeah. Dach's doing a good job. The team's doing a good job. Well, they're winning. I mean, I will say that drafting that running back was a very wise decision. Yeah. Compared to what, like, if you follow some of the pre-drafts up, there was.

His last name is Elliot. I can't say his first name. Well. Ezekiel? Ezekiel. Ezekiel. Did you see his picture of him doing an interview And basically his underwear with a suit on top

Yeah they were interviewing him for SportsCenter or something And he looked like he had a suit on Yeah A dude had a top, a suit on the top And underwear on the bottom Yeah seems comfortable Yeah but uh Yeah I think it'd be hard to mess that up man

I think those guys are playing off him I think the veteran guys are loving the rookies coming in there and they're playing good What are they predicting he's going to be cleared to play Another couple weeks Yeah, that's right him. But I like Dax. I like Dax. I like his, um, his attitude with it, like saying, hey, you know, this is still this guy's team. You know, that's the way, that's probably the way it needs to be, because that's the guy that went down. And Tony Roma actually is a pretty good quarterback. He just

shows that, he just has that colossal. Three interceptions a game. He's good when he plays a bad team. He's good. He just, they're, you know, I don't know, man. I think their defenses struggle, and they haven't built their defense up enough to counteract because he scores a lot of points of game. He's a good quarterback for that. But I don't know, they're doing good this year. I think it'd be hard to pass up, like you said. How do you mess up something that's working?

I mean, I don't think, I don't know if I would do it or not. How many years has press kept up in the league? It's a rookie quarterback on the question. Wow. So they play the Eagles coming up, so he'll be against Carson Wentz. Yeah. That'll be a good game. Carson who?

Carson once. North Dakota State University. Yeah. He's not doing very good lately. So hashtag AskDBC. Producer Josh has chosen a few questions from the Twitter sphere and our Facebook page to ask the guys here today. So we'll start out with Appareta 3,000, who asks, what is the best mile and a half track for action? Hmm.

I mean, I'm not going to allow. I like Kansas. Kansas was good. Had different lanes. I mean, bottom, middle, and top. Yeah. You had guys that could run the fence. You have guys that can't run the fence, and you've got the guys that really disciplined themselves and get down there and run the bottom.

And then you got the other guys like Brett's guy and the other guy that's in the middle the whole time. Can't figure it out. I think it's for me, Homestead is a really good mile and a half track. Kansas is a really good mile and a half track. What we learn is they all have the potential to be great if we stop repaving these places. The key is old asphalt. Yeah, and tire wear. Yeah.

If the tires fall off, it's even better. The Kansas tire was not a great tire. We know we all got to the end of the run and we're all running 30s and 40s. Like, from the time we started until we got to 30s or 40s, it was pretty darn good. But once we all got to run in 30s and 40s, I mean, even guys that were running 30th were running the same lap time. So that was not a great tire this weekend, not in my opinion. I thought it was a pretty good combination. I didn't think it was overly done.

What happened to your guy? Like, you've got this stupid fast race car, and I see you come off of two around a bunch of guys that you probably shouldn't have made it to three wide with. They run you in the fence. I was not surprised to see you get running the fence. Just Alex making probably a little bit of a mental mistake. He did. He admitted it.

He said he just should. He said he, the 32, we weren't really sure. He was down low enough to where we could have got out there. Yeah. And I think he was going to leave us a lame, but the 46 was running the bottom and you know he's going to need all the

Groozy. Like I just said, those two guys, you don't do that around. Well, the 46s are coming up, and I think that just kind of just pushed everything up. and Alex, he'd come on there and said, too, he's like, man, you know, I messed that one up. I shouldn't have went out there like that. And, I mean, he admitted it right away. I looked up, and Alex was on the top of one or two, running 225 miles an hour.

And here's these two other two guys running like 85 miles an hour. And Alex tries to go in there and cram it in there. I'm like, this ain't going on. It didn't work. I'll get him credit, though, man. He gets up by that wall. I didn't, me, he does good. Yeah.

Alex's timing was working so good during that stretch. It was, yeah. You know, the car, whichever car was in the middle coming off at two right there. I think he got told that he was going to be three wide and just kind of, you know, he moved up just enough to not leave enough room for Alex. Yeah, the 46 starts sliding up a little bit and Rocky came down there and said,

man, we just, you know, we're trying to leave room, but whatever. I mean, it's just one of those things that closes up quick. Yeah, you know. Just Alex being too aggressive as a rookie. Yeah, that too, probably. Yeah. At Bradley 88, Billy S, now that we are about finished, Has the charter helped or hurt racing this year?

I don't think it's changed the racing any. What it changes is who's locked in, who those franchisees are or franchisers are that don't have to worry about making the race. From a racing standpoint, I don't think it's changed anything. It's just changed the business model. Yes, definitely changed the business side of it for sure. Now you've got, like, this off-season will be the first real test of it,

what's going to happen in the off-season. But as far as the racing this year, I mean, I don't think, We, I don't think we had a problem with sending guys home, did we really? In the Cupside, I don't remember it being a problem. It might have helped a little bit in that aspect because we did, we did rain a few times, and some people normally, like, might have got sent home, but I don't know, I'm not 100% sure on it. I don't think it's changed from anything that affects our job or anything like that. It never came up.

Never came up, like, well, this guy's going home because of this. Yeah. So. I don't know what that word is asks I'm going to Talladega for the first time for the cup race this weekend any tips T.J? Is that dragon

in a different spelling? John B. Yeah, I mean check out the infield. Period. Definitely check out the infield. I mean, it's entertaining. Don't take money. Don't take clothes.

That you want to wear again. Take beads. Beads are your friends. All beads. All beads. Just wear beads. All beads. Just wear beads. bead out, glue beads all over your body, and you'll have the best weekend you've ever had in your life.

I'm in a stack of ones probably wouldn't hurt. Friday night there's this big parade where they get all the drivers on these flatbed trucks and they drive them through the infield. All you need is beads. Yeah. I'll just go with the International Motorsports Hall of Fame. That is actually pretty cool, too.

It's a great museum. Is that what the infield's called? I don't know what you call it. When is the last time you went out on that infield? It's been a little while. Are you staying on the track? No, I can't. I'll be on the infield all weekend.

Have you been out on the infill? Oh, yes. Yeah. When it was Halloween. When it was actually on Halloween a couple years ago? Give beads or receive beads? No, I was fully clothed. You're such a reserve person anyway.

Boring. Very boring. Never go to the emergency room. So this will be a good one. No, we would do like hospitality and stuff in the infield. when I worked for NASCAR and we'd go in there. What's the craziest thing you've seen on Talladega Boulevard? Go ahead.

A lot of boobs. Yes. Okay. Jason? Craziest thing you've seen. It's been a long time since I've even been there. You can say so. Definitely seen lots of boobs.

What about the tire guy? The tire guy with the tire guy. I've seen the tire guy. Yeah. He's crazy. Here's the thing about Talladega schedule is we practice on Friday. and we really only practice for about 20 minutes and tents. So all Friday afternoon, all the drivers are off.

All they have to do on Saturday is run one-timed lap by themselves. So on Friday night, they can actually go let their hair down and have a good time with the fans. They go out there on their golf carts. They walk up and outtale Dago Boulevard. There's tons of bands, tons of live music, tons of DJs. Like, it's a really cool party on Friday night. So nowhere else do we go. all year that the drivers take themselves into the infield to the fans like what happens.

I mean, Danica does it, you know, Jeff Gordon does it, big names. I've been out there with Jason's dad maybe for 30 minutes one time years ago after he stopped racing. But man, it's just fun to go out there and see the fans. Yeah, it's not a crazy, it's crazy environment, but it's not like, it's not over. Yeah, like I've never felt overwhelmed or like threatened. or any of that stuff by what's going on there. It's super fun. I mean, you see a lot,

but it's just people just want to have a good time. It's just blow off some steam. Alabama rednecks. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I like them. You'll enjoy the weekend. They're dragon, drogan, whatever. At Plummer Dave Rone asks,

in what ways do fans overstep their boundaries? Is this that same guy that lays pipe? You say that every week. It's him. He does it for a living, man. He lays pipe for a living. Anyone want to answer this? I think the only people I've seen overstep their boundaries.

is the guy at Watkins Glen that went out to Matt Kins's car and asked for an autograph while we're still ultimately racing. That's weird. Even though he was under red. Like fans, they can't come on to our field. It's not like a soccer field where the ball might hit you and you might get hurt. Like these are 3,000 pound race cars stay off of our racing surface. I'll tell you this about professional wrestlers.

When you come into their ring, they're instructed to beat because they, you're choosing to come into their office, they don't know what your intention is. So when you step in a ring, if you ever go back and Google some of these wrestling matches where fans decide, oh, I'm going in the ring, they get their ass kicked. Stay out of the playing field. I don't know. I think whenever you go out and you see a driver in public, they're out there, enjoy, you know, enjoying their time like you do.

Give them the space, you know, when they're eating dinner or whatever and stuff, give them the space that they, the worst thing is when you're sitting there with a mouthful of food and somebody comes up and says, you know, I don't mean to bother you, but I'm going to bother you anyway. Yeah, but you're, you know, you're in the middle of dinner, and I'm expecting to interrupt, you know, just interrupt you here. You guys will have to ask Mike Davis, I don't know what year it was. My dad was still racing. We were at the helicopter, helicopter pad in Michigan. I was there for that. Were you there for that? The fan snatched a hat off of Mike's head. Yeah. Yeah. What? That was a little bit over the, so it was the retro. We ran that retro, retro,

8 car. It was the retro buddy. It was the last, he was still at DEI, I believe. And we ran that old school paint scheme. And Mike Davis had a hat on for it. And we were standing there, and a fan goes, you know,

he was really drunk too. He goes, hey man, how about giving me that hat? And Mike Davis was like, no man, get out of him. Junior's like, why, come on, man, he's got like 10 more of them, a home or whatever. So the fan grabs it off Mike's head like pulls it off Mike's head

and Mike just flips a switch and goes off on the guy. Me and Del Jr. are like crying laughing at it. Mike Davis, don't you ever like he was screaming at the guy like going off and it was basically instigated by Dale Jr. It was hilarious. That was pretty far

for a fan to go that far though. I mean he literally grabbed it off his head. Did you ever have a fan make it up to the Spotter stand? Oh yeah, all the time. Oh yeah. Really? They bring beer and everything. How do they get up there? That's a good question. We can't get up there half the time, but fans can.

Yeah. It happens. But security's up there, and they usually just throw them off. Yeah, we don't have a problem with the roof a whole lot. And they usually love it, man. They usually love what they're able to see. You can tell when they get there, they're like, whoa, this is awesome, you know. And then, you know, it's normal for us, but you can tell they're like, damn, this is cool.

Then they start looking around thinking, all right, when am I getting kicked off? Yeah, like waiting for the guy to tackle them. Yeah. Alston W21 asked your thoughts on NASCAR walking the fine line on limiting cup drivers from participating in lower series I don't think it's that fine of a line I mean yeah people are like okay you know we got to have Brad in there we got to have Kyle in us race for the money you know if you promote if you get a good young driver in there that that you can sell to the sponsor still and that's what the series is for it's not for Kyle Busch to go and make a name

and get track time. It's for these guys. It's for Cole Custer. It's for John Hunter. It's four of them guys to use as a stepping stone and, you know, to move up. And there's no reason why we still can't go find these young, good drivers and put them in there and have great races. I think Jason can speak to it from a driver perspective because he came up through the ranks and ran over 40 Xfinity races. For me, I think our challenge is now two things.

Number one, dash for cash. Okay. We have this dash for cash promotion. And you can actually win dash for cash and not even run in the top five because five cup drivers or five non-eligible people can beat you and you don't win. So it's really confusing for me to understand that, you know, Justin Algar won 100 grand, but he finished 8th. How do we celebrate finishing 8th?

We'll give him 100 grand. That sounds crazy. So if we take those cup drivers out of those races, we don't have that argument. The second thing is this is the first year in the chase. The last thing we want to do is say win or take off. all because that's what this format is when we get the homestead. Four guys are running for it, whoever finished the highest wins. Again, we're setting a formula and a precedence up that Kyle Busch can win the race by 13 seconds, Kaislowski can run second, Elliot Sadler could finish

ninth and potentially win the championship. That's not the playoff format and culture we're looking for. They've got to fix this because it's really confusing and almost tarnishes the brand. Let those guys be the stars on those days. Yeah, I want to see Eric Jones. I want to see, you know, William Byron these guys. I want to see them guys race. I don't want to see Kyle take off and leave them. I want to see them guys actually what they'll do for a win. It just, we need the guy who's going to win the dash for cash,

the guy who's going to win the championship to win the race or at least finish the respectable top three, right? And that's a lot easier for fans to understand. As much as you learn racing against Kyle Busch, Brad, the cup drivers that run in all three series. You learn a lot. You really do by watching them. For first lap until they're gone.

Well, yeah. But you do learn something. Let's put it that way. You restarts the stuff, see what they do. But with the elimination process, with the chase, you have to find a way to make the guy in Homestead whoever wins the race is going to win the championship or not have a cup guy blocking that out.

Yeah. And that's what can happen. And to some degree, these cup guys get in these races, they can be a lot more aggressive. They have nothing to lose. They can take a lot more chances with pit strategy. It just screws up the whole thing we're really trying to accomplish. I'll talk about the economics of it, too. Kyle Busch brings sponsorship to that series.

Brett Keselowski does. Kyle Larson does. But they also increase the cost of what it costs to run a race. You know, if Justin Allgaier is going to make, you know, 15,000 on a weekend. Kyle Busch is going to make 50. You know, so Cobbush is going to require more sponsorship money. We have to have sponsors to run these cars. But this is giving us a chance as a sport to almost reset, hit the reset button on the economic model,

to try and make this more cost effective for the teams so that they don't have to generate as much revenue to be able to run these guys. Ultimately, you have to have a sponsor, but we also have to have this product work. And this product has dash for cash. It has a championship with a playoff format. So it's a lot of things, a lot of things. of moving parts and pieces to take into consideration. Not an easy decision because just think if they come out and say, okay, next year, nobody can run, you know, no cup drivers with more than five years experience can run homestead.

Well, what if you've already sold that race with Kyle Busch in it? Now you've got to unsell it. So they're treading in tricky waters, but I think we're doing the right thing. For as long as I can remember, that discussion has gone on. Yeah. Every rules package, every series director. I mean, it's gone on as long as I can remember. When I started in the sport back in the late 90s,

I remember we'd show up at Richmond with 70 cars trying to make the Bush Series races. I saw Del Earnhardt miss a race. Darrell Waltrow. Big name guys miss these races. And to Jason's point, the argument was going on then of, well, we just need to get these guys out of here anyway. Well, fans want to see them race.

I go there. To me, I would want to go, I know Saturdays for the Friday night and Saturdays are for the up-and-comers. You know, those are the guys that are trying to get to that. next level. I don't want to go on Saturday and watch Kyle Busch lead 190 of 200 laps. What is that? What fun is that? I want to see

Cole Custer and John Hunter scraping doors going across start, finish line, both trying to win a race. I don't want to go see the guys that are that just, you know, that already made it past that level. Once you get to that level and you go above it, you shouldn't be able to come back

and run that many. Maybe limited even more to just a handful races, you know, a few races throughout the year. The Gibbs equipment has been so good the last two years in the Xfinity series. It's been so good in the truck series Toyota has. Because of their investment, they bring to the table on those two series. And they obviously have good drivers. But that's what's ruining what we're all trying to do.

Yeah, I agree 100%. So predictions for Talladega. TJ won last week. And somehow is still alive to tie Brett for the season. He can, he's already, if I was. win he loses. So right now we're tied. He can tie you or he can tie me. He can tie me. What's color in my mind? I'm red right here. I'm going to go with Tony Stewart. All right. Is that noise? I know who I'd pick if I were T.J. Jason gets to pick who he thinks he's going to

take for T.J. I'm going to tell you what he should do. He should pick himself because he is he is recognized as one of the premier spotters in the NASCAR Sprint Cup series at plate tracks. The 88 car is recognized as having one of the fastest cars at Restrictor plate tracks. Alex Bowman. The showman. Is available. And I left him open for TJ to have an opportunity to pick himself because I didn't want him to get mad because I picked him. I'm a giver.

You are a giver. Selfless. You were a... Also bought time for him to pick and he still can't pick. You're running low on good picks, man. Yeah. Yet somehow he's still winning. Yes.

You're running low. I told Josh earlier in the season. My whole strategy was to get enough lead. I'll take Alex here. I'll take him. I'm happy. I'm proud for you. I'll take him here.

I hope you win this. I mean, I got a pretty decent selection of drivers coming up. I'm glad you took yourself. I mean, no matter what next week, I'm going to take Jeff Gordon. So don't screw it up. You can't pick him. You've already picked him. Correct.

So no matter what next week, I'm going to go Jeff. Guess who I'm going to pick. Danny Hamlin. Yes, I don't care. He's still worried. He's still, look at how he runs. Danny Hamlin will haul ass next week. Jason, you got to get through this week.

Predict a winner. I have to preface it by saying, first of all, I'll be doing everything I can to get 31 Ryan Newman, RCR car to win the race. But, you know, besides that, looking at who's been fast on the super speedways, I have to go with Brad Keselowski. Yeah, they're crazy fast. He's good.

He just knows where to put. his car. Yeah. I would pick some, you know, I like my pick, but we were not allowed to pick twice. I know. This is my first pick. Yeah. He's coming in with.

Well, he's picking the winner. We're picking against each other. Yeah. Have you been listening to any other talk shows and stuff, how, you know, the, like any other XM radio stuff? I listen to a little bit of it. Yeah. So the big debate now is, do you lay back?

Do you go for the win? What type of racing you do if you're Brad or you're Joey or somebody like that? What kind of race do you do? you run. Oh, who's out of the chase? Yeah. Well, yeah, you've got to basically win. Do you take care of your car the first half?

Well, we, you know, Ryan lays back at all the speedway races. Ever since I started with him in 2013, we've laid back. You know, at certain times during the race, we do move forward. Yeah. But I will say one hindrance in doing that and then trying to go forward in the last 20 laps. Oh, it's so hard. The other drivers haven't seen you up there. Yeah.

It just makes it harder once it gets all blocked up. And the guys that have been up there in the top ten all day, they all of a sudden see you up there. They make it harder for you to get through. And that last 40 laps, man, the intensity picks up that guys are less likely to give and let you in and do stuff like that. That's what I'm saying.

And you didn't learn anything all day. You spent three hours of watching these guys learn. And while you try to protect yourself, and Clint's lately been doing the same thing, I really feel like it gives us, opportunity to get a top 10. It does not give us any opportunity to win. Well, even from a spotter standpoint, you know, I've been back, we ride back there,

but then once you get in the mix of things, you're wording and your timing. Yeah. It takes a minute. It takes a minute to get it back right. Yeah. We've done both, and I'd rather just race. Yeah. It's so much easier.

We've tried to come through the field. Even with Dale Jr., we've laid back and tried to come up through the field with 20 or 30 to go. Just can't do it. It's so weird because I, spotting for Elliott years ago, we were running second at Talladega, and Jimmy Johnson was right behind us and just completely took us out. I mean, it wrecked us. And you're like, we're in the front. We're where we're supposed to be. We're wrecked. And then I've also done the same thing.

You're riding in the back. Next thing you know, they have the big one. You can't get slowed down or you slow down too fast. A guy behind you doesn't know it yet. And he cleans you out and you're running 38th. Like they're literally, if there was a special recipe, I think we'd all do it. Jason's dad, Dale, always told Elliot, here's the key, man. We're going to go up front. We're going to race each other smart. We're going to race as well as we can. We're never going to put each other in a bad position as teammates. But when we're coming to two to go, we have got to be going forward.

That's how we're going to get the best finish and have a chance to win. That was the way DJ did it. Now, I'll say this. It used to be easier to get runs. Now there's so much parity in this restrictor plate racing. You know, three and four wide, there's only so many places you can ultimately go. Yeah. Yeah, there's, I mean, I just hate trying to pass everyone at the end.

It's a lot of work in the beginning, but if you can get the league manipulated enough, you can kind of get them to single out behind you a little bit, and that's when it becomes your kind of rest time a little bit. Dale Earnhardt going 30th to first. I mean, we remember these stories. We've seen them. Yeah. They don't happen right now.

No, the cars were so much different than the wick. They had the wicker on the top, I think, when he did that too. They had the wing thing. Two by four on the top. Yeah. Yeah. They get four wide for however many rows. You can't go anywhere.

You might have a run, but there's no lane to put your car into. Normally, when you get the run, if you get the run on the outside, somebody sit there in the second lane or third lane waiting for you to pull up there, and they pull up there and stall out the whole lane, they go up there with the mindset. Oh, you're going to push me in the front, let's go, let's go. And ultimately all it does is kill that lane. To get the outside to work, it has to start pretty much in the back with three or four cars, and they just got to work the doors off the other guys. You know, the moment somebody pulls up is the moment they all fall backwards. And that's going to happen a bunch. I'm going to guess it happens again, but people don't understand it.

The other spotters are like, oh, they're coming to run out there. Let's pull in front of them. Well, that doesn't work. You can't. It needs to start back there. And where it starts is the cars that it needs to finish with. They can get in behind you and make the train longer that way. But the moment somebody pulls up in front of you and stalls the lane out, it is.

Unless it's a car with a lot of motor that rebounds quickly. It has to be a really, really, really, really, really, good car. It is so much easier to spot for a fast car to plate track than a slow car. Anywhere. Anyway, that's absolutely true. Anyway, but I mean, when you look at a plate track and you're playing defense all day and they're coming

on both sides, it's hard. It is hard. It's hard. Yeah, definitely. When you see these guys go out and qualify and you see, you know, the pole speed and then you get back to, you know, 30th, 35th place and they're over a second off on two and a half miles around the track.

And then you see that same guy. that was a second and a half off, be competitive in the race, his spotter is working his ass off because that car is not as fast. The driver's working his ass off too. It's tough. State Chase standings. We got eight guys locked in, four fighting for a spot to get in. It's tight.

I mean, looking at the points, it almost looks like the top six should be kind of safe, but we're going to Talladega. So, I mean, you look at, I don't think Truex and Lugano are anywhere. you're safe. No. No, I think you're right. I think you have to look up there at fifth, sixth place, not being safe just because of where we're going for the elimination race.

You know, I think, I mean, obviously Chase Elliott has to basically win the race. Period. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Brad and Danny could maybe get in if they get up there and finish second or third and some of these other guys getting a wreck. And that's two of the best plate racers in the field. Yeah.

Denny Hamlin invented the tandem. He invented it at Talladega years ago. He caught the car in front of him and proceeded to push him out to like a 10-second lead. And that's when we all started going for these tandem rules and trying to keep our cars cool to be able to do tandem. Denny's one of the best plate racers. Daytona 500 winner this year. Brad's good.

But I will say that I don't think the end of this year's Daytona 500 is really weird to me. Like how often do you have a guy come from the fifth row back with a big run and not get blocked at some point. I mean, that's the last lap of the race. That guy in third or fourth needs to take that chance and go and get up there. I mean, there's plenty of opportunity, and somebody would have been, you know,

very rarely has ever play out like that where a guy can come from that far out without getting blocked good, and I don't feel like Matt threw the best block. Matt didn't have his regular spotter. Matt didn't have the best block on him, probably because he didn't know everything. He probably thought it was just going to,

I mean, you're leading three and four Daytona 500. you're probably, you're in this pretty good shape. Yeah. You won't see that at Talladega simply because of where the start finish line is. Well, that too, yeah. And it's so wide, too. So what the, also what the Gibbs cars did at Daytona, or Daytona also isn't really going to work here, whether you get four of them lined up.

You can't just control of everything. This is so wide and so big that this is kind of a different playing field for that. So I think those guys are in trouble, man. I think Ligano has to race this. race to try and win. He may as well consider himself out. He doesn't have a point cushion. I think Truex plus 13 is not terrible.

The Lugano is basically going to have to race to win. Austin Dillon's going to have to race to win. Danny Hamlin. All them guys got a race to win. They do. I don't think they can points their way in. I don't think Austin unless they have a big wreck finish his 10th gets him in. I just

don't. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be exciting. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm not I'm not glad that I'm not in this group, but I'm glad that I'm not right here, you know, trying to fit because we were there. Jason and I were talking about it before we started this podcast. I mean, just when you're in, and I even said, we finished second in the Chase standings with Clint behind Kislauski, second with Elliott behind Stenhouse in the same year, at no point did I feel the intensity that I felt last weekend during the Charlotte Exfinity race. These guys, these drivers, these spotters in this plate race at Talladega, holy cow.

I can't imagine. I can't imagine after last week's Exfinity race. Do you all not remember for the fall Talladega last year? Good Lord, man. It's crazy. We had to win and we lost by like five inches or whatever it was when the caution came out. Whenever Harvard decided to wipe the field out. Yeah.

Then that's, we may see somebody do something crazy again. Yeah. You know, I don't know. It's going to be a hell of a weekend. That's for sure. You know what we need to talk about next week? The 100% roll, Nick. Xfinity series.

We talked about last week, didn't we? No. Happened again this week. Did it? Remember? Remember the 18, let the 20 get up there and lead a lap? I went down to T.J. on the spotter stand. Kyle Bush has got a straightaway lead.

All of a sudden, Suarez starts catching him. Swares catches the 18, leads one lap. Kyle drives back around him and drives off. And it's like, I go down to TJ. I'm like, because T.J. and I are both, obviously, in the chase and teammates in the Spanley side. I'm like, did you, did you see that? A whole 100% rule deal.

Yeah. Yeah. So maybe it doesn't exist in that series. Maybe that was our rant right there. Maybe it's only a cup series. Maybe it's only cup series. Yeah. Must be.

I mean, Charlotte, we had guys pulling off to pit, fathomily. Yeah. It's crazy. All right. Jason, thanks for coming home. Yeah. Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

Great addition to already good looking group. Fantastic. Great looking group. Yeah. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah. Thanks for coming down. Sure.

Heck, yeah. Thanks, thanks to one, I made for bringing this to you guys. Exhaught the studios. TJ, get your beads, man. We're going Talladega. Sling them. Hala. Behave.

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