Door Bumper Clear - 52 - No Such Thing As Heat Lightning

Episode Date: April 3, 2017

Coming off a win at Martinsville, TJ and KB welcome Brad Keselowski's spotter, Joey Meier. He talks about his take on the truck race, educates us on heat lightning, and makes sure Brett isn't forgotten. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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and you're listening to Dirty Moe Radio. Outside, door, bumper, clear the 18th, best car I had here in a long time. You're going to do it. You're going to win it. Right with you. You're clear. Check the flag. You're wins. Oh, yeah! Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. Spot of the 88 Cup car, the 7, Xfidity. Exfitt.

And the 29 pinball truck from Martinsville. Hey, guys, it's KB, and we have a special treat for today coming off a, A win in Martinsville, we have Brad Kislauski Spotter, the one and only, Joey Meyer. Well, I don't know if I'm the one and only, but I am like the Joey Meyer. It might be another one, but I'll take credit for being the at two spotter on Twitter with T.J. Majors, we give each other a bunch of junk. But yeah, I appreciate you guys having me. You know, and obviously he was not late and he was up on time because why?

He's got a new clock. Got a new clock. TikTok. TikTok winner. How was Victory Lane? You know, one of the things cool about Martinsville that actually Atlanta Motor Speedway did this year is they put Victory Lane on the front stretch. The fans are a fence away from everybody. And there were people yelling and screaming and throwing beers in a good way.

And when actually the pictures got done taken, we were done filming. Brad took some hats and walked through the grandstands and gave them back out there. That's nice. So the interaction with the fans at Victory Lane in Martinsville is really a unique opportunity and really gets people involved more so than putting them over in a standard victory. that we see at most of the tracks. You know, the fans are usually only a fence away from us, but it's usually a long drop. So this is obviously the Exalta Studio that you're in here, and it's a pretty nice studio, don't you think? Yeah, it's a great studio.

It's fantastic. If you guys ever get a chance to get to Moorsville, come into the retail shop here at Junior Motorsports, and walk just to the back, buy some studio. The studio will be back here. You can buy some T-shirts and all kinds of pair for a door bumper. Door bumper clear T-shirts are here. The new revised post-Martinsville door bumper, almost not clear. Teethers are available.

Gosh, so good. Revision number two is out. Brett was hoping that you would bring that to the podcast. Well, you know, if we're going to go that far, I'm going to make a t-shirt of your truck race Saturday. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. We went from zero on Saturday to here on Sunday, so that's all right. Yeah, quite an interesting afternoon on Saturday that we both had.

Yeah, so Joey spots for Austin Cendrick in the 19-trane. truck and I spot for the 29 truck of Chase Briscoe and we both had exciting days. Mine was uh mine was probably more fun than his but we both probably weren't we were ready to go to bed that night and start the race on Sunday. Yeah we were actually very disappointed Austin Cendrick drove one of those trucks for 2015 at Martinsville would make his first start and did really well we ran top 10 most of the afternoon got spun out late in the race and finish in the top 20. So we were expecting a lot of better opportunities on Saturday. And from the big trick get-go, we had to play defense at Martinsville. And you can't play defense,

entering the corner and exiting the corner. It simply doesn't work out that way because then you're just in the way. And one of the things that Austin was talking about was how much lack of respect he felt he was being shown. I'm talking on the radio. And I said, it's not a lack of respect. It's just you're in the way. And we ended up being in the way with the leaders behind us. But we were racing a guy behind us. for the free pass to stand in the lead lap and the leaders and us and got in the same lane and we were occupying the same space at the same time and it doesn't work out no that doesn't work out how'd you end up well no we were 21st 22nd a lap down wrecked yeah it wasn't pretty

so um very disappointed for those guys our show today is also brought to you by one main financial and who also sponsors elliott's car on the number one in the xfinity series so what uh what do you, so how was your race yesterday? Obviously, you guys had another speeding penalty. You know, winning your weekly penalty. Winning sometimes when you dominate races like a Kevin Harvick might or Kyle Bush, we get used to seeing them lead. Truex led just about five hours of a race.

A couple of last year at the Coke 600. Yesterday's event was a little different. We ran strong early on, got caught speeding. NASCAR gives us a 30 mile an hour pit road speed. The teams are allowed a. point 9-9 mon hour buffer, so you're allowed to go 34.99 miles an hour, and we were caught doing 35.04 miles an hour in one segment only. That sucks.

And there's about 14 segments down pit road, and we exceeded that by 0.04, 5, essentially, miles an hour. The question always comes up about speedometers. These cars don't have speedometers, and even if we did, they wouldn't read in two decimal places like NASCAR's timing and his scoring comes out. So the speedometer would still be useless, but it worked out. We came from the back. The stages kind of messed things up with who pitted and who didn't and who stayed out and who took tires and when they came and it was kind of unusual. But I'm a big fan of the stage racing and allowed us to plan on getting the car back where it needed to be and Brad drove to the front. So yesterday was the first time in stage racing where it really got interesting at the end of it. We kind of knew we'd get like that. You had three guys, four guys racing and stay in the lead lap.

You had the 14, Brett's hunkah junk was in the way. The 14, the 3, and the 17 were all racing to stay on the lead lap. And the 18 was catching them. So the 18 passes the 17 and coming to the green and white checkers, he passes, he's passing the 3 on the outside, and the 17 drives down there and just hits the 18 out of the way. Did you see that? I saw the replay this morning.

So it knocks Kyle up the racetrack. Chase Elliott goes through on the bottom, wins the stage, And then I'm standing next to the 17 spotter, and down here, down comes Tony Hirschman and telling him that Kyle said he's not cutting him any more breaks, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff that is basically just another, it's Kyle's world, and we're all just living in its speech, and Kyle can do whatever he wants, but if you do it back to him, you're in the wrong type thing. And we're all just like, get back out of here, go down there. basically the stuff I get when I go talk to somebody.

Yeah, the important thing to remember is what Ricky did was a classic Martinsville slash Bristol slash entering turn one Watkins Glen maneuver. He didn't dump Kyle. He simply moved him out of the way to take that ever-coveted position because for Ricky Stenhouse, it's his race. It was his race because by staying on the lead lap, we fast forward now 400 laps later. He's on the lead lap finishing in the top 10. Now for Kyle Bush, the reason he's so upset is because these new stages,

he got one playoff point stolen from him. Chase was awarded that one playoff point, and we'll see how that plays out in the last 10 races, and that's why it's so important. Yeah, he didn't win the stage, but it was that ever-coveted one playoff point that was stolen by Ricky, and Kyle will find a reason to retaliate later on. He'll find a reason, but he doesn't matter anyway,

because he doesn't even need a reason to retaliate. he can do something and expect nothing in return most of the time anyway, because that's how he thinks. There are a group of drivers that race you differently than you race them, and that's what's frustrating with Kyle, an amazing talent. I said this morning that Ron Hornaday was one of my drivers growing up. I worked at Dale and Hart Incorporated for a number of years. I loved racing with Ron Hornaday, despised racing against him

because you couldn't race Ron the way he raced you. Super tough, super aggressive, but the many you tried to race him the same way, it was, oh, you were going to the house, man. It was going home packing early because you were getting wrecked. Yeah, same thing at Vegas. Oh, I made a bold move. Right. I mean, you hit a guy on the way into the corner.

You forced a guy into a line that he wouldn't normally have went with. He tried to hold the bottom, got a little loose racing you, and you guys hit. And then you want to fight. So, I mean, it's just backwards. You stole a position entering turn three. He stole it back from you, exiting four, and he was the bad guy. Yeah, basically. I don't blame Ricky for doing that.

I mean, I actually kind of thought it was cool. But he has to expect he can't be upset. If it happens to him later on, he has to understand. He does have a bump and run coming. But that's irrational. Yeah, but the problem is, the problem is Kyle doesn't see, like, that he owes him a bump and run. Kyle sees the deosum.

A DNF. Yep. Because that's exactly what he'll remember while Ricky had that coming from Martinsville, whether it's a year and a half later. Yeah. Yeah. Many guys think, you know, just getting a bump deserves a DNF later on. And most people are like, okay, most of the drivers that respect each other more,

just you bump me, I'll bump you a little bit at some point, and then we go on with our normal race. This guy, you bump him and he thinks you automatically deserve to not finish a race. Like, biggest deal in the world. And when it happens, you just be quiet and go your own way. So I'm sorry, I'm done now. That's your rant. The rant's for the end.

No, I got a better rant than that. So we're going to go into something we call spot-on, spot-off. And we'll start with TJ, and basically, are you cool with it? Yeah, not at all. Absolutely. All right, so BK overtakes KB for the win in Martinsville. We know what Joey would say. I'll go spot on for anybody, any late race passes.

You know, it would have been cool if it was with, I wish that battle could have happened with 10 to go rather than, you know, 50 to go or 60 to go, because then it would have got real interesting. I think Kyle would have probably tried to get back to Brad at some point. and probably done what Ricky did to him. It's just what happens there. But, you know, spot on for some good late race in there. Obviously, Kyle was better in the short run and Brad was a little better in the long run. And it was a good race.

Yeah, I agree. Martinsville provided the entertainment level that we've come to expect at Martinsville. One of the unique aspects is that tire that Goodyear brought really brought the concrete in the center of the corner, the widest that I've seen in 20 years. And that was unusual. So. Oh, that's good. You're shorter than Brett.

Brett would keep going on and on and on. So wait a minute. You're not going to go spot off for your car passing another car for the win. You don't know the rolls here. Whatever I pick, you go the opposite. You never do. No, as long as we've tried to win there at Martinsville, it was fantastic for the entire race, all 500 laps to be able to come home with a car

that's capable of winning in Victory Lane. That's what the entire afternoon was about. You're just mad. You're right. Side doesn't look like ours. That's all. Our right side looked like it ran three races there. Started in the back and all of them.

Spot on, spot off. Ford gets first win in 15 years at Martinsville, Joey. I'm really surprised. I'm going to say spot off because I could not believe that when you look at the Ford teams of Team Penske and Roush Fenway, as long as they've been around, that Kurt Bush driving for Roush Fenway was the last person to do that for a Ford. But it gives you an idea how dominant the Chevroletes have been with the Jimmy John. and the Jeff Gordon's and Toyota. I mean, Denny Hamlins, I believe, is one in a Chevrolet at Joe Gibbs

and as well as a Toyota. So I'm very surprised that it's taken us 17, 15 years to get a Ford into Victory Lane. You know, I have to go spot off because it wasn't a Chevy. That's all I have for that. That's all you have. Spot on, spot off. BK is a first driver with multiple wins in 2017. Is that the spotter's doing?

No, no, I wish I could take, you know, the spotter gets way too much credit and way too much blame. there's a group of 40 of us that stand up on the roof on Sunday, and we always talk about being the punter or the kicker, because all we can do is all we can do. If the kicker makes that extra point, it doesn't matter if it's right down the center of the goal line or not. One of the hardest working spotters yesterday was the guy working 20th place, whatever that may have been.

The leader out front pulling away has an easier job, because he's looking ahead not necessarily at his driver. So the spotter gets a whole lot less credit or more credit than he does. deserves and a whole lot less blame than he deserves, and I'll go with that. I will, I'll go spot off on Brad winning, because honestly, that's almost the third win. So he got one kind of kind of gifted to him at Atlanta. That was kind of teed up nicely by the four speeding. The four probably was going to win Atlanta.

But you also had one, you had one taken kind of from you in Vegas, right? Two to go and a right-hub failure. Yep. So, yeah, but I mean, that's bad for the rest of the people. That's bad for the rest of us. So I'm going spot off for that. Spot on, spot off, Joey, tire package at Martinsville. I briefly mentioned it earlier.

Spot on. Goodyear did an amazing job. As long as we've had these cars, we keep evolving in the technology of being able to put more downforce or less down force in handling and grip and traction. And Goodyear has to evaluate their tire package for Martinsville. The track hasn't changed in 10, 15 years with that concrete in the corners, but they brought a package that A, didn't ball up, didn't dust up. It didn't create debris on the track that drivers had to avoid by running one lane. The concrete was almost three lanes wide in the center of Martinsville,

and we've never seen that before. Yeah, I will go, I'm 50% spot on. Can you do that? So you're half and half? So you're 50% spot off. Yeah. I'm like right on the line here. I love the right side tire, but the left side is what needs work now.

If we can get the left side to lay rubber on the bottom, those guys, we will be moving up the racetrack. Right now, you could tell where the right side is running the whole race. You could tell where they're at. I was talking to my driver about this last night, and we agreed that if we could get tire rubber to lay on the bottom, that those guys would really be searching for grip, and I think we would round the top of the concrete. Guys were almost up there already. Yeah, but I mean the only, the race was still basically one on the bottom. And cars will still be fast on the bottom, even if it lays a little bit of rubber,

but it'll be the outside lane was way more competitive than it has ever been. And I think if we could lay a little bit of rubber down like the rights we're doing already, then it would just be even, I think it'd be better than what we already ran. After a pit stop, how much information is being given to the spotters up top after looking at the tire wear? Or does that even matter? No, no, right away. we had that one really long run, well over 110, 120 laps.

Your driver's anticipating to hear specifically right before that. Our teammate Joey had a left rear go down. So you're wanting to get that information to see how tire wear is going. And most of the teams did have had very little tire wear yesterday. They were wearing out. They were graining, but they weren't getting to the point that they were failing. And that's what's key important. The thing I thought good you did a really good job is tires mattered.

If you stayed out and took no tires, And the guys that took two, they were faster. If the guys that took four, behind the guys that took two, were faster. So you were able to pass the guys if you had better tires, and that mattered. They wore out, but they didn't wear out to a failure point, and that was really key. They were, it was like anything, you could stay out if you only had a few laps on your tires and still maintain pretty good. But if you got up 20 laps on your tires, you were probably coming down pit road.

And it didn't used to be like that that much there. So now you can play the pit strategy game a little bit. bit more and I mean I liked it spot on spot off AJ gets a top 10 finish this more of a Brett because he gives so much crap to AJ yeah I mean it's spot on for AJ but that's nothing new he runs good there but he runs good there I don't know if it's because of the the corners are probably more like a road course to me than he's probably more comfortable with corners like Martinsville than he is anywhere because he's so used to running road courses and they're real tight corners and you know there is if they're believe it or

not, you know, when we and Brett were arguing last night when he's like, oh, well, the tires never fell off and everybody ran the same speed after 20 last, it's not true. You could see the guys that would move a little bit lower on the racetrack and be straight at the corner. You would see the guys would move up and find that line up there and make it work. That's what Martinsville in short track racing is. You can't expect guys to be a 10th different everybody. You're going to have guys run guys down slowly, but it's because they're being more consistent and they're, you know, they're better at doing that. And AJ's good at that stuff.

He's good at it there. So, you know, spot on for AJ doing that. It's not surprising to me if I was in draft canes. He'd have been in my lineup for sure. Yeah, spot on 100%. The three of us drove up and back to Martinsville. I needed to hunt T.J. Majors and myself. And one of the drivers we said for a fantasy draft was A.J.

Almonddinger because of his road course prowess and his ability to manage his brakes and tires at a road course. And that's what you utilize on the entry level. of getting into turns one and three, and then being able to use the gas without burning the rear tires off, exiting both two and four. And we saw those as key and components all afternoon with every driver that was successful was able to do that entry and exit.

Yeah, and another thing too, AJ, we caught him, and we got within a car length and a half of not even trying to pass him yet, and he pulled over and let us go. And about 10 laps later, he got right back close to us, and we just let him go. And that's the type of stuff that, you know, you don't get to see a whole lot of guys like that do. AJ's been in there, and he's been in the Hornet's Nest all year fighting. But it's nice to see a guy break through there and actually show some people respecting get it back.

So I think AJ drove a great race. Awesome. Well, this is where we are going to take a break. This is your Exalt the Race Center update for the week of April 3rd. The Junior Motorsports late models were off. The Xfinity Series was off. That just left the Cup series at Martinsville Raceway where Dale Jr. Had it going on until lap 418 when Denny Hamlin will hopped going into turn three,

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And I'm going to give TJ and Joey a topic to debate, and we're going to alternate who responds first. And then each of them will get 30 seconds to voice their opinion on the question. And whoever responded first will go to 30 second rebuttal. You ready? TJ, you're going to go first on this one. Joey will follow up. Six races through the 2017 Cup series this year. How do you feel the stage format is going?

I feel the stage format is kind of taking, it's kind of doing what we wanted to do or they wanted to do. It's breaking up the races a little bit. We're not getting the debris. options anymore. We're not getting, you know, we actually have, there is a little more meaning, and we've seen the urgency at the end of a stage. If you're there to make a move to do something, you know, you can, something can happen. So I imagine some of these other races will be, I'm sure there'll be some that aren't as exciting, but I'm sure we'll have some that, you know, get exciting at the end. And, you know, you have a guy that maybe say just tires a little bit more,

it can make a run at the end of it and try to win the stage. But it's definitely more exciting, and, you know, we got something to race for us throughout the race. One of the things we've done with stage racing is we've gotten rid of the phantom debris cautions, all right, which we didn't like because nobody could plan on them. But one of the things we have to do better with stage racing is be more efficient under yellow. We are wasting so many laps going back to green. We wasted over 10 laps during the second stage yesterday from the time the yellow came out from the time the green went back and that's simply too much time wasted.

We're wasting more time now than we would have with a regular caution flag. Yeah, I think it allows me to be way more efficient with these stages because I can strategically plan my bathroom brakes now. So it makes a lot easier. I'm not worried about hydrating myself and having to go. You're not using the TV cables anymore? Not anymore, no. I usually just go over the fence.

Oh, currently the Xfinity Series does not race at Martinsville. Should NASCAR consider racing their pros and cons, Joey? You know, one of the greatest races we used to have was South Boston, and I loved that short track. Hickery, I loved that short track. So Martinsville would fit that gain. Unfortunately, we already have two series there with the cup and the trucks.

The series can't stand another standalone race with the Xfinity series. I wish they would race, but I'm okay that they don't, and I don't see it happening as a triple-header weekend. The track simply is a big enough to have all three series in it at one time. Yeah, I think I definitely think we should, I think the Xfinity series should race there.

I don't know if they should all be on the same weekend, since it's such a close race for most of us, most of the teams. Maybe we start on a, maybe we start there a day earlier. You know what I mean? Or maybe we're on the trucks in a one-day show, get them in and out, something like that. Or rotate them. Put the trucks there in the spring, because any cars are in the fall, something like that. You get a rebuttal. Yeah.

You know, I don't see it happening because the truck race is one of the short-track style of truck racing at Martinsville is good for their bodies. we all know now moving forward to the future we're going to fiberglass bodies for the Xfinity series the last short tracks of the year and that simply is not going to be conducive to short track racing, beaten and banging and ripping fenders off with these guys.

I think it's okay if we want something and don't have it than having it and not be very good. Austin Sindrick trying to avoid going a lap down block Christopher Bell at Martinsville. That ended up in a wreck that resulted in Bell losing the lead and ultimately losing the race. As a spotter, how do you advise your drive in this position. Get out of the way or race hard. T.J.

You know, I wasn't in this position, so I think I should just start with Joey on this one. All right, well, first of all, we talked about a lap before the leaders even got there. From a spotter standpoint, we weren't advising him to block the leaders. We were advising him to maintain the bottom lane. Why was that? Because we had the 63 car truck right behind us that we were racing for position to either stay on the lead lap or be the first car on the free pass position. We got loose off of four. He tried to get back down to the bottom lane

simultaneously as the leader was trying to get to our inside. It's like walking down the hall and you guys are moving out of the way of each other. You're not trying to bump into him, but you end up bumping into him. Was he faster than your car behind you? We were as equal to the 63. We were doing, the 63 was right with us,

and that was the issue. There was never any intention to block the leader, and that was discussed laps in advance. Stay on the bottom. If the 63 is going to pay, pass you, make the 63 go to your outside. So we were giving the leaders the outside lane. I would have liked to have seen Bell follow us in on the bottom lane, which you could have, follow us around the corner, and easily pass us down the backstretch. That didn't happen.

Yeah, it's not a position you want to be in for sure. I think everything happened faster than what everybody anticipated was going to happen right there. But those type of things happen at places like Martinsville. You know, it's a tough situation to be in. being a you know you know i don't think i would definitely make sure my truck's not in that position so you rewatch this on youtube yeah as proof that you weren't well no because the argument was originally was the 63 or the four couldn't get in behind us because the 63 was outside of him and i said no that's not true we could have easily followed each other down into the corner single file us the four the 63 if he chose to two truck lengths behind the 63

is Chase Elliott. We had room. We see how we are all bunched up off of four. The four car just got by the 63, and we're looking at us on the phone for you guys listening on the J.R.M. Podcast. So go back to the start, finish line. Let's go back to the start finish line.

So this comes off of four. He gets inside. As we start getting loose off of four, we try to correct back to the bottom lane. We're inside the bottom lane, and that's where the four is trying to get inside of us as well. The four car, much like we saw Denny earlier in the cup race, is taking a line into turn one

that will not work. He's so below the line getting into one because we're on the bottom lane, he's trying to go inside of us, and that's our intent wasn't trying to block the leader. And that's where the confusion comes up. Visually, 100% I agree. It looked like we were blocking the leader,

but we had talked about it a lap in advance before the leaders even got there. Stay on the bottom, protect the bottom. Just like I mentioned earlier in the show, we were being defensive the whole time racing that 63 truck. And the next photo on his phone, it's a selfie with the,

Martin'sville. Funny, huh? Clock. Yeah, right? I say you go from zero one day to here or the next, man, the life of us spotted. You're not allowed to go any further.

Texas is this weekend unveiling a new racing service. How do repaves affect the way you spot a driver or do they? Joey? No, absolutely. One of the things we're going to be doing, NASCAR, has given us a lot of extra practice time

relative to the Monster Energy Cup Series. We are going to be paying attention to what grooves have been utilized, how our lap speeds are. We're using our fan vision, seeing who can gain the advantage the quickest. and realistically, I don't think we're going to see a lot of tire application being rubber put down.

I don't know if we're going to see a lot of grooving, but you're going to get guys like Kyle Larson that are going to be trying different grooves a lot more. My guy's a bottom feeder. Dale Jr. is going to go up top pretty quick. We're going to be advising our drivers who's moving around as quickly as we can. Yeah, I don't know if there's going to be much moving around. Usually when we have a new surface, sometimes there's not a lot of moving around, but we'll see how one and two is.

I think three and four is the same almost, but it's repave. So usually it's grippy. The off-the-wall topic, the Masters starts Thursday in Augusta, and they are getting nailed with rain right now, by the way. For a lot of people, it's a bucket list event to attend. What is your bucket list? Is it the Masters? No, I'm not a big golf fan.

Obviously, T.J. was going to go first, but I stole it from him. I'm not a big golf fan. You know, I've been in racing. I'm a really old guy, and I've been in racing my entire life. My bucket list were events that I can't see anymore. I would have died to go back to a beach race. at Daytona or to see some more racing in the old days. I'm a racing guy that's all I know.

My wife wants to go to Ireland or Hawaii. I have zero ideas to go either one. But a bucket list for me would be a race that I could not have seen because it's no longer around. I've never been to a golf tournament and I'm not really sure I'd want to be. It seems like it would be boring to me. Well, you can't use your phone either. And it's a lot of standing around. Like you just sit there and watch a guy walk up, hit a golf ball and he walks off.

Yeah. And the play golf clap. That doesn't really interest me. So I don't think that's going to be on my bucket list. My bucket list, it's kind of weird, I guess. I don't know. I'd like to go to a Super Bowl. My grandpa went to, he was a big Steelers fan.

He went to all the ones back in the day when they won. And he took the same suitcase, and every year when they won, that he put a new sticker on it. So he's got an old suitcase with all the stickers on it, which I think is kind of cool. But I don't like to go to the Super Bowl, maybe, I don't know. I've been a lot of places already. Kentucky Derby? That's racing.

I'm not in a event. I'm not really interested in the Kentucky Derby is an event. You can go to a lot of horse races. I would not mind showing up in Washington the Kentucky Derby, but it's not, I mean, is that something you go and camp at? Oh, you wear a nice big hat and a dress. Well, you don't wear the dress. The ladies do.

So nobody goes there for the weekend. Nobody goes and camps for the weekend, but it's not camping. There's an infield, but it's so. hospitalities and things like that. So you must stay in a hotel. There's no people that bring... I'm sure someone camped out in a parking lot somewhere. I bet there's a motorhome lot there for the owners.

I'm just pointing that out. You're going to be over that at DBC is... We're over that. I'm just saying there's got to be like a D.O. lot at the Kentucky Derby. I've never been. There's got to be like the jockeys or whatever. It's not an event, but one of the things I want to go to is the Oshkosh fly in, which from an aviation standpoint is the largest fly-in in the United States

for general aviation stuff. Is that in Wisconsin? It is in Wisconsin. Yeah, there's actually a smaller version of the sun and flund down in Lakeland, Florida, which is going on this week or next weekend. Glenn and I were talking about flying down this weekend. It starts now and runs through Sunday. But it's not an event per se from a bucket list,

but I haven't been to one of those fly-ins, and I'd like to go to that. As a pilot, what do you think about those big Red Bull events where they have those huge, those planes that go through the... It's awesome. It's beautiful, man. Yeah, that's just amazing. I thought you were going to talk about that. You know, they had one in the infield at Vegas.

Really? Vegas or Texas at the inside of the racetrack. It's either Vegas or Texas in the infield of the racetrack. They actually had the Red Bull Air Races set up. That's cool. They do it at Sonoma. They bring a plane there. What about the other deal where people make like a little fake airplane and they go down that ramp and they try to fly into the water?

Yeah, I'm good with that. You know one bucket list item is it's kind of weird. I would like to attend, I'm not a big soccer fan, but I would like to go to like a Manchester United soccer game or something just to see what it's like. Like, because they say that soccer over there is bigger than like NFL over here. So I think it'd be cool to go over there and attend in a soccer game, something like that. So we're going to go into the part where fans on Twitter have asked hashtag Asked, TBC questions. And we'll go with you first.

At K. Blakeman 87 asks, will Iowa Speedway ever be on the Cup circuit? There's a reason why. So we have two major players in racetrack owners. We have ISC and SMI. They're two different companies. associated with ISC is the company called NASCAR. You may have heard of it. National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing.

That company, the NASCAR company, owns Iowa Speedway. They bought it about a year and a half, two years ago. There's a reason they bought it. Okay. Because NASCAR is a publicly owned company, they can't take, or ISC is a public owned company. They can't take a race away that may affect a stock. NASCAR bought that track for a reason.

Not just because they had an extra couple bucks laying around their wallet. There is a plan that I believe in my near future we will see a cup race at that speedway, but NASCAR won't be owning the track. Yeah, I'm not sure. I thought we would have been there by now. I thought we would have been there a few years ago. And now I think, to me, it's kind of losing its steam a little bit as far as going there. Well, you go there twice within a span of five weeks.

It's brutal. That's crazy. And we just, I don't know, to me, it's just losing a little bit of its steam. We don't have, you know, I think it's a great racetrack, and it would have been, you know, it would be great to see the cup cars run there. There's some bumps. There's different lanes. They move around.

So I think that'd be a great cup race. The infrastructure for Newton, Iowa also needs to grow. Des Moines, Iowa is way too far away for race teams to fly into, the hotels, the restaurants, the actual just places to survive outside of the racetrack without driving an hour away to Des Moines needs to grow. And we've seen that. We stay in Des Moines. Yep, and we went to Kansas years ago.

When Kansas first opened up in early 2001, 2002, it was a speedway and nothing. And now if you go to that speedway, it's an entire city built around that speedway. So it can happen, and it would have to happen at Iowa before we go back in a cup car. There's a Walmart next to the speedway. That's all you got. Yeah. There's an airport right there. Yeah, short one.

Is that where you flying to? I don't know. Yeah, I flew into there. Yeah. Yeah, back when he bought his team plane came in to fly him. And Reddick brought the team plane. No, that was... That was...

Reddick's dad? No, but that was Gateway. Oh, that was St. Louis, so you brought your own plane in. Yeah, that was St. Louis. The Spotter plane. That was the Spatter plane. November DBC is the tail number. That's right.

At underscore Johnny Thomas asks, with the majority of people supporting anti-splitter for a few years now, why hasn't NASCAR listened and dumped it? Large size. Yeah, I mean, that's a heck of an army. We see drivers on Twitter specifically mine and your driver talk about team valence versus team splitter. Years and years ago, when we talk about a splitter, it's a piece that's parallel to the ground that we actually see on some of your new corvettes, some of your Dodge Vipers, that provides the ability to create downforce with very little device on the car. years ago we had a valence

which was a device on the front of the nose perpendicular to the ground that rubbed itself parallel to the racing surface to create a seal but it did not create any downforce. We used the splitter to create downforce with as little

of the car as possible because that's how we adjusted our new lower downforce package in the cup cars. We adjusted it by simply pulling the splitter back or shortening how much sticks out in front of the nose. The bad thing about it is is when the cars get off track and go into the grass, it's literally like a snow shovel and just digs up the grass and rips the nose of the car off and ruins everybody's

day. I'm not sure even putting a valence back on these cars that they're going to be right. Because the way these noses go now, we've got these cars so low to the ground that I do think maybe some sort of valence there instead of a splitter might be, might save a lot of race cars because my biggest thing is is when a guy spins out and if you hit the grass your car is basically junk it tears the car to pieces up front so and when you had a valence back in the day when you hit the grass folded it under you came down pit road they hammered it back out and you went back out there and you know it didn't have a problem but the entire noses of the cars

structurally were built completely different you know nowadays right now if we walk over to any of these cup cars in the garage and we were to grab a fender with very little effort We could take the entire fender and rip it off the car because we have minimal structure. Why do we have minimal structure? Structure is weight. We're trying to control where we put the weight on these cars. So I'm not sure even having a valence.

I agree it's not going to dig in like a snowplow, but I'm not sure or convinced that it's going to do less damage. It's going to do different damage to these cars, which are still going to be structurally very limited. I think where we're at now is a pretty decent. I mean, it's not sticking out real far. It's pretty... I would actually be okay with just eliminating it all together,

and you have the front nose there, and lower you... I mean, do we really even need the splitter? I mean, do you need it? I mean, you need it? You know what the solution is? Don't go in the grass. Wow. Don't go in the grass. Stay off the grass.

But why do we need the splitter? Because it creates downforce. What do you mean? Why do we even need it, though? I mean... Because in order to keep the balance of the race car, if you took the splitter off, we're just going to find other ways to counteract it.

No, no, but what I'm saying is it, so if you took the splitter off, you would have to modify... the nose to such a greater degree. To go lower. No, not to go lower, to create the same amount of downforce. The splitter is simply cheap downforce. Okay?

In other words, we narrow these cars up. We have symmetrical fenders. Back in the old days when these cars were all twisted up, we created downforce on the nose with a valence because we had these monster, monster fenders. Well, now we can't manipulate the fenders the way we used to, so we have a splitter that's really just a cheap device that creates a large amount of downforce

without having these monster fenders on. these cars. If you took the splitter off the car, you would have to go to the back of the car and remove a bunch more of the side quarter panels and spoilers in order to balance the car out. I think we would find ways just to get the front down too, though. I think we would find ways to get the front down. You'd definitely lose some down force, but I think we would find ways to just dock nose low enough to be. I'm not worried about travel. I mean, I think we would sit on the ground regardless of the split or not. I think, I mean, I don't know, I think I'm not 100% sure the splitter is necessary. I think we could find ways to counteract.

that. At Tam's tweets ask, who's the female spotter or female up on the spotter stand? Joey. Good one. What are you? 12? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm rubber. You're blue. Right? Yeah. No, the only female have recently been up there is, uh, so Chris Monez's partner. Uh, Jen Joe Cobb, JJC. Jennifer Joe Cobb is a car owner in the XFandy series. She, drives a truck, she has been on the roof spotting for her car that she owns. So she's the only female on a regular basis that we see on the roof.

And then Chris Monez spots for Jenjo in the trucks. And then she runs up the top. And the only reason it's funny because she runs up in her fire suit. So between practices, wherever we were at triple header Atlanta, I guess. Yeah, I didn't remember that. She was up on the roof in her fire suit, spotting for the car she owned. And then after practice, she'd run down through the tunnel and get in the truck and drive it during practice. That's got to be exhausting.

So this is the part where Brett and T.J. Pick a topic to rant about, although you, when you were spouting off about something. I've got a way better one here. Go. Maybe even two or three. Imagine T.J. having more to say. Oh, hang on. So if you want to talk about this, Kevin Hamlin tweeted me and asked if you've even changed since yesterday. Oh, right?

That's nice. He goes, has Joey not changed his shirt since yesterday? Yeah. So one of the things that I do for. You look clean. Well, Motorsports Monday is a show on MRN.com that anybody can listen to starts at 12 today. So in order to celebrate the victory, either A, bring the trophy in, which wasn't an option today because it's a seven-foot grandfather clock. But I also bring in the, you know, I wear what I wore for Sunday.

This is a new shirt because I have more than one. But I also have the STP hat from the victory lane, the shirt to signify the fact that we did win the race. Just to give some shoutouts. It's an honor. You know, T.J. can attest it takes years. to get into the position to be associated with a cup team on Sunday, let alone to be associated with a cup team on Sunday that won. So it's an honor for me to be able to wear a team jersey and be proud.

You know, it's a thing that I've done on the radio show and I'll continue to do it. But for Kevin Hamlin, yes, I am clean. I've changed it. And it's just a new jersey. I can attest. He doesn't smell like Gatorade and beer. Right. Yeah, I hope it's a fresh scent.

So you said your show's at noon today. Noon today. That's every week. Every week. Is it live? It is live. Okay. It's live at noon.

And if you don't catch it live, you can always go to the MRN YouTube channel and catch the previous broadcast. It's Woody Kane and myself. We really just break down the previous weekend. You know, as this show is, it's a unique opportunity to be directly involved with the sport. And then come in Monday and talk about the trials and tribulations of either trying to block the race leader on Saturday or getting the race leader to Victory Lane on Sunday. So it's how our lives are. So it's live, but it's not live.

This is the first year that we actually taped live up until this year. We went on live at noon. I thought, yeah, I always thought you went on live at noon. Yeah, we did. So this year because we have driver debrief meetings on Monday, I wasn't available at noon anymore. So we moved the show up. It's taped live, unedited. So they moved the show to your schedule.

Yeah, they did. You're big time. I'm a big guy, man. Wow. You know, it's called talent. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we actually tape live at 9 with zero edits and it goes live.

Today I made a boo-boo on air and called it the 2016 Monster Energy Cup series and got corrected live on air, which we'll get to watch at noon. So that's how it works. Yeah. I mean, I got lots of rants. I can go on. Let me hear rant. Well, I mean, you want to talk about heat lightning?

This guy says it doesn't exist. They don't have to be about racing. Heat lightning. He says heat lightning doesn't exist. Heat lightning. Heat lightning. What is stuff we watched when we were kids? Am I allowed to cuss?

Yes. No. No. Yes. Are they listening to this right now? Maybe. Oh, okay. No, you can cuss.

There's no heat lightning. There's no such thing as heat lightning. There is. No, there's not. There is heat lightning. TJ, I love you, but he seems a little bit smarter also. He's a pilot. So maybe he knows something about meteorology.

Stop. But seriously, there's no such thing as heat lightning. No. What is it? I have another. There's lightning. You're with me. You're with me.

I just grew up. Everybody grows up. Everybody grows up. Where is heat lightning when you normally see it? Summertime. But all off in the distance, right? That's heat lightning. That's actually a thunderstorm that's so far away,

you don't hear the lightning or see the rain associated with it because lightning will travel visually for hundreds of miles. If we're in the air and I showed you a storm that was 25 miles away, it's this close right to you, 25 miles away. We flew over at coming home last week. We were at 45,000 feet. The thunderstorm was at 37,000 feet, and it looked like we were going through it.

That was a storm. That wasn't heat lightning. I've been being, someone has been lying to me for 32 years. Yes, there's no thing. Heat lightning. Heat lightning is lightning, but it's associated with the thunderstorm. It has nothing to do with the summertime. No, ma'am.

See? No, man. Look, this is an educational podcast today. Absolutely. You can learn a lot of things. It's heat lightning. There's no heat lightning. Heat lightning is a far away thunderstorm that's actually going on that you just can't

hear the lightning because the sound doesn't make it to you, but the light does. That information alone made this morning worth it. Yep. You know what I should have got? So a handful of years ago, Joey's got a picture in his office at the hangar, where he has a little office space. Where do they fly out of? Where do you fly out of? Two hangers down from GERR. So in his office, he has a picture of him in his streetstock days in Florida, right?

Oh, yeah. What year was that roughly? Oh, man, that was late 80s. It was 1987, 1988, 1988, so I graduated in 84. I'd have been 19 years old. So somebody took that picture. And a bunch of his crew guys made t-shirts of it, and they wore them to the race check. That's all.

Do they still have them? I never got one. It was one of the jokes at Team Penske. They all had me on the shows, yeah. The sponsor at the time was awesome automotive. And so on the back of the car, it says, awesome. And the quarter panel went automotive and the phone number. But that was my sponsor, was awesome automotive.

Yeah. And so those guys made it, and they had some stupid saying about awesome baby. year with a big t-shirt. And they just showed up to the racetrack and you didn't know it. I had no idea. Some of them still wear them once in a while. This is like regular t-shirts and stuff. So it's pretty funny.

But our boss did that. Joe Mattis, he, Richard Boswell, who used to be an engineer here. He left for Stuart Haas, right? Yeah. He used to race too.

So unbeknownst to him, they made a bunch of t-shirts with him leaning against his race car like a total tool. We still have them. I think a good, I'm cool, man. Laf with or at?

I don't care as long as you're laughing. Oh, I know. So what's the rant? Let's hear it. I think my rant would be the truck race on Saturday the way NASCAR handled the end of the stage caution time. You know, so the caution comes out five laps for the end of the stage. And instead of running a few laps under caution and finishing the stage, they open pit road for two laps.

Everybody that does not have a chance at winning that stage basically pits from about fifth on back pits. and they closed pit road and the stage, and then they reopen pit road for all the guys that haven't pitted yet. So you're basically just gifting those guys track position for no reason. We went from running third to 19th. We probably realistically should have cycled into the 5th to 7th area, but it basically took all them cars were running in the back and just gave them a free opportunity to pit and pass the faster cars for no, you know, unfairly to me.

What do you think? All right. Well, I'm going to agree everything with you, other than the fact that Steve O'Donnell this morning admits if they had to do it again, they would have done it differently. Yeah, I figured. Their intent, when the caution came out with five to go, they opened pit road with four to go.

They were going green with one to go. Yeah. They found debris on the track and had to initiate a debris pickup, which chewed up the extra lap that they were going to go back to green. So they got caught in a Pandora's box, if you will, by opening pit road too early and then having to close it because the rule state

you got to close it two laps before the stage and then open it again when the stage came out. They admit a fault. Kudos to them for admitting the fault. But we definitely need because we They forced... That killed our race. Absolutely.

They forced the teams to either go for stage points or go for track position. Yeah. You couldn't have both. And you work so hard to get both to get track position and your points

that you deserve for the stage. and you had to give up one or the other in order to come down pit road. And pitting was essential at that point in the race to get to the end of the race without having to pit. So you had to pit no matter what during that time, whether you pitted before the stage ended or not. But, you know what I, is this something maybe we need to know stage ends under yellow? You know what I mean? I mean, it's actually, it's like a race. It's like a race.

You're racing to that checker flag. Is this something that we need to do, green white checker? Or you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't want them to move it around. I think realistically, when you try to, like, I'm not a big fan if we're going to go back to racing with one lap to go. I'm not a big fan of that. I think if you have a tolerance, a pit road's closed, because like I said earlier, if you're listening to the show and you heard me say it earlier, we're chewing up too many laps to begin with. They easily could have just kept pit road closed, done their interviews with the stage winner, which they normally do, open pit road, let everybody cycle, and we could have gone back to green in less.

time that we normally chewed up under a regular stage length. So to me, there didn't put a bit, there's not enough buffer in there for an error. Like there's not enough buffer for a lineup. No. There's not enough, maybe we need to be six or seven laps before, you know, you're not getting in the stage. Like Martinsville, because all it takes is for one guy to think he's in front of another guy and pull up beside him and then hold the one to go and that's going to screw everybody. So maybe they just needs to be, I'd rather run a lap and a half or two laps more under caution

and not screw people, then, then, but yeah, well, kudos of them for, you know, fixing it and admitting the run. Yeah, but it still sucks that, you know, you're running top five and you get put back 19th for no reason. And that pretty much, once you get back there, you know what it's like. It's almost impossible to that late in the race. So I'm going to stick with, if we're going to complain and have a session about something, I'm going to keep mine to short track racing. and our procedures that we utilize, that we implement the same procedure at Martinsville and Bristol that we do at Pocono and Watkins Glen and Daytona and Talladega.

And that's with the wave-around time, when the free pass guy gets it, and how we double up. At Martinsville, we keep it the same. We go one to go. We double up the line. We have wave-arounds. We have free passes. And we're all trying to do that as we're getting lined up. It's only a half mile.

We're 35 miles an hour. it takes very little time to get around that track. Numerous times yesterday, we had to wave off coming to the green because guys simply didn't have enough time to get lined up. We as spotters have meetings with NASCAR as well. We don't have a council. We're not as big time as the driver council, but we go to this people and we've requested,

let's start doubling up at the backstretch of the one to go or even give us two laps at simply two tracks, Bristol and Martinsville, because with the track being so narrow, guys hustling around for a wave around or the free pass, we simply need extra time. And we end up using the time anyways because they wave off the green. Oh, the lineups are, and just like TJ said, one guy on a wave around, you know, as a spotter and driver,

you're supposed to know, it's the lead lap cars, it's the lap down cars, it's the free pass car, it's the wave car, and the penalty car. That's your lineup. All it takes is for one driver to forget, hey, I'm a lap down, I'm going to line up with the lap down cars. Well, no, you're not lining up with the lap down cars because you are a wave around. Or a penalty.

And then you start trying to get lined up. Now, wave it off. Get the 63 behind the 29. He needs to be back. So we waste the time anyways. Let's just do it a little bit earlier. Now the stages, we have the time because it's taking us 8 to 10 laps to get going anyways. So let's ask, please, listen.

David Hoots, if you're listening, this is T.J. Major's talking. Yeah. You know, I've said for a while that we need to double up a two to go. Just give two to go, double up at the line. That gives them, I mean, literally it's like a minute. Like it takes 30 seconds a lap under caution. We're adding one minute. I mean, I'd rather do that.

And we're only asking for two tracks, Martinsville and Bristol. Yeah, that's really the only places we have a problem. It just gives them more time. I mean, double up, two to go out to line, start your double up. If you don't know anything about our podcast, we do predict the future and news. Awesome. So, here we do. Hey, you know any news and rumors?

Any good rumors or anything? Yes, the trucks and Exfendi Banquet's coming to Charlotte. Yep. This morning, NASCAR declined to comment and said they'd make the appropriate time. That's it. So breaking news right here. That's good. I'm glad.

Truck, absolutely. Because we're going to win the Xfinity Series championship. And your Cup banquet will be here soon. All of them. All three. I'm all right. Families will enjoy it. The community will enjoy it.

How else do you get people from out of town to come see the largest building you've created? Yeah, this is our area. To represent the history called the Hall of Fame. Every week we have inductions or every year we have these big inductions. Get them here. How do you get them? Have them come for a banquet. It's a fantastic facility, and I think it'll be utilized better for the near very near future.

Yeah, I think it's a win-win situation there. I would, it makes you want to go. To me, I don't have much interesting going out to Vegas. I would rather go to our local area here. We have the Hall of Fame here. This is where the offices are. This is our area. needs to be.

There's only so many Blue Man group shows you can see. They're blue. They beat on Bows. They blow in pipes. They're blue. Have I mentioned they're blue? They look like Smurfs. Should I not tell them about the last show of me and you went to?

Yeah, no. Celine Dion. Yeah. Something like that. Well, Joey, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy Monday to come. Awesome. I hope I, you know, Brett's always trying to raise his standards and up his standards, so up his. Brett's usually really good because he says stuff that we'll possibly get him fired.

I like that. Not anymore because he has that strict SHR social media policy that he doesn't adhere to. Yeah, right, exactly. I'd like to thank One Main Financial for supporting this and Exaltza for the Exaltes Studios. Joe, you want to talk about anything? You got anything else to plug, sir? Do you want to talk about our conversations? No, there's no books.

I'm actually extremely happy with One Main. You know my nephew works here, right? No, I didn't. So Jacob Schoff. Oh, yes, Jacob. I didn't know that was your nephew. He was on my, I, um, uh, most of my sponsors are on the one.

They're on the 88 too and somewhere on the seven, but I stick to the one holler when we travel and Jake's always there. And the only grape I have about him, he hates coffee and loves chocolate milk and I don't trust people who don't drink coffee. But he is the most amazing human. And I've met a lot of your family then at the race. Yes. He comes to the car.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't drink. I've never drank. I don't know. You just have your super caffeinated ice tea. You know, here's a misnomer.

Do you know that a super double throw-down vent-day Starbucks, it's over 200 milligrams of caffeine? I just drink. Julia, we drink kickstarts in here. I know you do. And I get a lot of kickstarts from T.J. on the roof. But there's about 80 milligrams, the same as a big soda. They're very, very tasty. T.J. gives me the citrus one.

Yeah, I usually bring one for Joey. I like the energizing a blood orange drink the kickstart. I really only drink water. But what I was at. My direction was going is I was tickled pink, and I've never had a chance to express it about the one main saying they were leaving. And then the ability for them to realize how important NASCAR and that family and that direction is to come back into the sport and not just on a one race deal. Right. You know, for Elliott Sadler to be associated with one main financial and what.

they've done and how they receive the sport and realize its potential for them is really cool. And I'm really happy that this sport does offer opportunities for several 100 and 500, you know, Fortune 500 companies to pursue advertising with. So who do you think wins the Exfinity Championship this year? You have four choices. No, and I've already picked. I believe as long as, so what you have is you have the experience of Elliott Sadler, but you have the youthful exuberance of William Byron.

And I think it's going to come down to them. I appreciate it. Poor Justin. I'm just being on it. I'm being on it. Just for his opinion. You know, we should have won it last year.

No way, man. We should have. I'm not arguing with that. Oh, wait. We're all we. We're a team. It's all of us. The seven went to homeset and like.

You guys did build a rocket. My guy built a rocket. Yeah. Anyway, I was getting at. I'm a huge William Byron fan. He's a phenomenal kid. But what's more phenomenal. nominal about is how he came through the sport in such a very narrow window of time.

Fast time. In other words, he didn't start. He's not one of those four or five-year-old prodigies that grew up in a quarter-midget or racing. Larson. Right. He's not that group. He got into a race car and is a natural talent to where now he's shown the ability to race and be successful in a truck, should have won the championship in the truck, not for an engine failure, I believe, at Phoenix.

And then to be able to get in an Xfinity car is a huge, learning curve and has shown the potential to learn that curve very good. Again, we're only five races into the Xfinity series, but if he continues that growth, I believe the problem with useful exuberance is you make mistakes. The advantage of the stage racing is allows you to make up for those mistakes by winning the stages. Elliot Sadler is not going to make those mistakes, but is he going to have the youthful exuberance to win four, five or six races, which I think it's going to take to beat these young kids.

And that's the window that you look at. You know, obviously Team Penske doesn't have a dog in the fight reference to the driver's points. We've got three to four drivers in our X vanity car in the discount tire Ford. But from a driver's standpoint, you have Elliott Sadler. I mean, all four of these cars over here. You know, Michael Annette's run some cup cars. He's going to come over here, ran really good a couple weeks ago, run top 10. So it was good to see that.

But I think when it comes down to Homestead, it's youthful exuberance versus the experience. and that's where it's going to be laid. It's astute. I really look forward to proving you wrong. Anyway, I guess. Thank you again, truly. Awesome. Thanks for coming on.

I know I'm supposed to say Hala, a couple, two or three times. Yeah, Hala. Hala. Go, holla. Go, Koss. It's the only time you can say Cox and Hala and somebody not being mad at you. Because the, actually the only time you can say women Cox because they won. They did.

They won the championship. They won the championship. Yeah, good for them. Bunch. Okay. And with that, thanks, everyone, and let us know what you think. Give us a shout on iTunes, Twitter, or Facebook. Leave messages. Rate us. And thanks to Natalie for filling in for Josh while he's at the Masters. She's much better looking. Did you guys crash because Tyler Rovers Street was out of town? Oh, yeah, he was at the... Yeah, I don't know.

One key member. I know Mike Davis said we've hit the bottom of Dale Jr. tweets had become, because that was on for the win. No, I don't. But Tyler Overs Street was out of town. So that may have been why Dill Jr. was out of killed. I don't feel like Tyler changes anything now. We've wrecked with him. We've wrecked without him. Tyler is just, you know, just there now.

So. But it was a key member. So thanks, Tyler again. Door bumper almost clear. Yeah. No, we. See ya. We just didn't get past the bumper in the front. So.

All right. Thanks, everybody. Millions of followers. Peace. Thanks for listening to Dirty Mo Radio.