Door Bumper Clear - Bob Pockrass & Richmond: Tire Falloff is King

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Bob Pockrass of Fox Sports joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge in the Door Bumper Clear studio this week! Bob helps break down Austin Dillon's triumphant win at Richmond Raceway, which not only serves as redemption from his controversial win last year but also punches his ticket to the NASCAR Playoffs. Alex Bowman might have finished second, but his frustration with lap traffic hit a breaking point after his Chevrolet teammates failed to assist. The crew also debates whether NASCAR should have issued teams another set of tires and if that would have spiced up the pit strategy for some teams. Plus, we can’t have Bob on and not talk about the latest Silly Season rumors inside the garage.   Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You're not very talkative today. I woke up less than an hour ago. And you don't even smile on TV, do nothing. What? All right, let's have this conversation. That's how the show stuff. Tommy's like, gosh, she can't whack me with her hands. So he can't say whatever the F he wants.

Good morning to you too. Following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group text. or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight, let's get it over with, let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no firesuit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. Right enough of you, my fucking. Hey, what's up everybody?

Welcome to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craft, spotted for Bubba Wallace, and Gio ReZero this week. No Dean Thompson. He had the week off. I don't know where the hell he was at. Tommy, you had a busy week. You had a busy week. It started on Thursday.

And it was, it was old. You've been the traveling, man, for a few days. Yeah, it was crazy. I just landed here a little while ago. And, yeah, it was a fun week. No, it wasn't. Not for me. No.

Well, no, it was a kind of fun week. Thursday was not fun. 50% fun week. Yeah, I mean, Thursday night's race. I thought we were in really good position. I really thought we were one good adjustment ahead of everybody who was going to pit when the caution come out. Was it a caution for us? No, no.

It was the same time. The one car spun out. It was right when we blew up. But yeah, we were fourth with four tires and a change to go. And I think everyone would have made their first change. And I was already, I think, ahead of the track. So I was sitting there pretty excited hoping for a caution to see we had only seven cars on the lead lap. And I already had plan I was going to take my time and start seventh to be on the inside,

so in my head. So I thought we were ready, unfortunately, the kapoom. The motor did not agree with us. Yeah. And then Friday went good with the cup car with practice. I thought long run speed was actually pretty good. Just can't fire off. So can't fire off for some reason.

But Saturday, they ran good. Just had two pit road penalties, cost them some laps. and Saturday night my dad and I got inducted into the Wall of Fame at our home track at Riverhead Raceway. Brought Jack to race. Didn't qualify very well. I had too much staggered in it for him, and the track was just one speed. From first to last was one speed, so I think we finished 12th to 13th or whatever it was. But what a great race between Dylan Slepian and Grenon, K. Boy, they put on a great show.

Which Grenon was it? I don't even know. Fifty-five or 38. get confused. The 38. That's Owen. Owen. Yeah.

And then two good kids. So I saw him before the race. Can you guys take it easy on us tonight? You know, both of you? Because they've been doing good. But, yeah, great weekend. And yesterday I spent a little bit time on Fire Island on the beach, hung out with my mom and all my friends.

And we had a nice dinner. And we got to call at 150 this morning. My flight was canceled. And I had to change all kind of stuff. But I'm here. Is there any white Russians involved with this? It was a couple white. Yeah, we had about 50 people at the, probably 50, 60 people at the trailer at the end of the race.

We had a big cookout and white Russian celebrations. So white Russians is what Tommy's dad used to drink all the time. But Connor, welcome back. Taha. So funny. You say Connor? Yeah. Down a limb.

Yeah. No, it was funny. Dale saw me this weekend. I understand. And he goes, what is this some social media thing? All you kids are standing in solidarity with Connor? I'm like, I wish. Is it there's no, what's a bar five?

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Bopped like three people's asses. Forgot Luke one. Who? Never heard of him. Never heard of him. We'll get to some shit show from that race later on with a little bit of the track coming up,

just a little small piece. But how was your weekend, dear? It was good. It was my first time at Anderson. It was a really nice place. Contrary to what I've heard about it in the past, I thought they've done a great job with it. As recently, and we had a sold-out crowd,

people love him from Dale Jr. So it was good and it's always fun when he comes to race with us. I love having family there. And other than being down a limb, I don't really have any complaints. None? None. Believe it or not. We'll get to fired up later.

Yeah. And of course, joining us today, always one of the most requested guests that we have and we love when he's in studio. Bob Pockris, how are you today, sir? I'm doing great. How are you guys doing? I'm glad this worked out where you're going to be in town for a couple days and it can stop buying and hang out with us. He can be in town any day

with him, with his schedule. Well, he doesn't know where he's going to be after time. They tell him where to go. All over the place. But, yeah, it was yeah, I'm here and it's fun and splitting a lot of time between IndyCar and NASCAR, but looking forward to Daytona this weekend. How is that going? Like, how much different is it? This is your

first year covering IndyCar. How much different is the two worlds for you? Well, you know, IndyCar has this concept. It's called practice and then they work on their cars and then they practice again. and work on their cars again. Have you heard of that? Has anyone ever seen that?

It's a distant memory. And guess what? It's still single file. And whoever gets to lead like F1 on the first lap usually wins. Well, you can also say that the same guy is won eight of the 15 races, right? So has it helped competition? Exactly. You know, I'm a content creator, content provider, and so it does produce content for us.

So the weekends are quite different. And then, you know, I just think at a 17 race schedule, the drivers maybe don't get sick of seeing the media every week or they, you know, are they gotten over things? And it's, you know, it's not as much of a grind. So I think it's sometimes it's a little bit more, I'm going to say relaxed, but it's just, it's a little bit different kind of atmosphere there. The garage never closes, does it? It does, but it's weird. like I have seen like garage, you know when garage opens in NASCAR. Like every, I mean, you better not be like near the front or else, you know, because

everybody's trying to get in as fast as possible. And, you know, like, I don't know whether like there's crew chiefs there with a stopwatch or something to make sure that they're crew guys. But I've like, I've even seen like top teams when the garage and IndyCar opens, like come in 15 minutes later or 20 minutes after it starts and they're just kind of waltzing in. I guess they have enough work done that they know that they. can get their work done or maybe they just got out of their hotel a little later than than they expected but like it's not like they're rushing if they're a little bit late so it's a little bit

different there yeah how difficult is it now obviously you've been doing NASCAR for how long too many years yeah yeah my first Daytona is 92 so how like and as this is the first year in indy car like how difficult is it kind of obviously you can't build the same rapport with the people in the industry but how difficult is it now like trying to build those relationships up in in that year time or whatever it is, like dealing with the drivers, dealing with the teams where, you know, you have to kind of, like you said, content creator, you're trying to get all the info you can. Well, I mean, you just have to start building.

I mean, you can't replace, I mean, I've been covering NASCAR full time since 2003, so 20 years, you know, I think the thing is like, you know, who to go to in NASCAR if something comes up. And, you know, it's just, it's natural. And here it's like, oh, do I need to talk to this person from this team or that person? and which one's going to lie to you and which one's not going to lie to you? Because sometimes you, you know, you kind of know that after being around, like who's going to be

maybe a little bit more forthcoming. So it just, it takes time. Yeah. Moving on to this weekend, I don't know. You were racing, so I don't know how much of the race you got to watch. I'm sure you went back and watched some of it. Carson, you were racing as well. I was also racing.

So I'm the only one that watched the race. Me and Bob were the only ones here that watched the race today. I thought it was a great race. Listen, I don't know what more you could want from a race, you know. And I don't know. And, like, judging by Gluck's poll, I think that I was worried that people weren't going to agree with me because in the, in the, at the racetrack, it's kind of hard to follow. You know, because there is a lot of shit going on. Like, people are pitting every 30 laps.

People are, some people are putting every 50 laps, whatever it was. And there's comers and goers. And for 10 laps, you're hauled ass and for 10 more laps you're getting run over. So I was hoping that like it kind of was transpired to like people were going to enjoy it. And it seems like they did. I think the poll was 88% or something last time I looked at it. But it was fall off. what we want, what we always want.

And I thought it was Bob, if you were there, like, I thought it was a great race. Yeah, and I, you know, LaTartre does a great job describing the strategy. So it was very well clear to, if you're watching on television, exactly what the drivers were doing and what the strategy was. And he was able to explain it in real time. So I think that probably helped out a lot. It was, yes, there were people on different strategies, but they, they were good at it and kind of explaining. it. But yeah, it was great. And, you know, in the days before, you know, Brad was like, because Laske's like, we're in trouble. We don't have enough tires. Everybody was concerned about it.

And you weren't, just weren't sure whether did they hit this balance right of, you know, did you have options for strategy or did you kind of have to have a certain strategy? And it seemed like that there were some options. Maybe there could have been more with one extra set or not. It could be debatable. But certainly they had a tire that wears. and that showed what that can do for racing. We had so many tires, we were going to leave one on pit road. Like, it was like, yeah, we don't need this one. Like, like a gut punch.

Like, thank God we won the race at Indy because, like, they would have been a killer if, you know, he went, like, Austin wins and we were rare. But, like, our car was so fast. And then we come down at road and unfortunately lose a wheel. It was a perfect scenario. Like, I don't know, it played after the, can't believe the tire followed us to the pit box.

Stopped that pit bull. Here I am. Charles was talking to James Small, the 19 crew, 19 crew chief. And he's like, he's like, I watched it, you know, because I guess it was live on TV, like, as we were coming down down pit road. And he's like, I watch you leave the box. I see the tire come off. And he's like, oh, shit, they lost the tire. That sucks.

Oh, good. He's going to be able to pull in somebody's box. He's in somebody's box. He goes, I look up, you're in my box. Holy shit, put the tire out of there. I said, poor Chase. Like, this is the second time happened. Chase, I think it was the 20 car earlier in the air.

like he's just out there making laps and then James is on the radio yelling put the fucking tire on but yeah unfortunately that obviously ruined our day but we had like I said it's one of those days where if you got a fast car like that it almost hurts less you know I mean it hurts it stinks that we could have probably run I don't know if we could beat the three they had that thing all jazzed up like they always do at Richmond but uh the that you know it was it hurts but it like it's like we were fast like that's and hopefully we can carry that speed to you know it translates to New Hampshire, it translates to Gateway, hopefully, for us. So it sucked, but there was a lot of positives to come away from it.

Yeah, I mean, when we got done after Friday, I think the concern was obviously the tires, right? Because there was a lot of, there was some stuff going on with some cracking and stuff going on with the tires. So I think that's what Brad was really worried about. What there might be some tire issues, but they were showing on TV. They were, but not issues, right? There was just some still cracking. But, you know, I think we. all had a really good idea when we left Friday the time loss from, you know, new tires to old

tires or what the strategy was probably going to be. And by time I woke up Saturday morning, we, you know, was pretty much, we knew we were going to have to split the stage. I mean, you add up all the times, you know what you got to do. And I was, I was in the pit area Riverhead, and there was a couple trailers that had, you know, the internet and live. So I'm had the cars tour all with Luke racing, and I had the Richmond race. And right after our stuff, So we were watching and it was just, the comers and go is that's what you want, right? I mean, you're asking, everyone's asking for this type of racing. And again, it was the tire that made the difference, right?

It was just the perfect tire for Richmond. And unfortunately, we tried to make that for every racetrack, right? But it's so hard for a company like Goodyear to make an individual tire for each track. it would be cost, you know, millions and millions of dollars more. So I do think we have this, we're going to call it the red tire so everybody, you know, understands that was the tire that we ran last year, the option tire, the red option tire. So it was the red option and then the Martinsville left, I think, right? Yes.

Yes. So I hope they use it a little bit more and have this happen because it was a good race. some guys who probably could have did some things a little differently. All right, your buddy. Who? I don't know. I was watching the beginning, and I think the 24 car was the first one to pit, and I text my guys because I was watching the race,

I said, if you guys don't pit now, because where we were, we were like 18 seconds back, but it was 13 seconds back at a time. But yet on Friday, about lap 30, everyone started running the same speed at lap 30 in practice. And I was like, well, we're not losing any time, but we will once we pit. And, you know, if we pit later than the leaders. And I text, I'm like, man, the 60 cars got a pit soon. And I'm like, all right, he's not pitting.

He's not pitting. What is he doing? He's not going to be able, oh, he's not going to pit. Yeah. I didn't, you know, it's weird because, and Ryan was pretty adamant about this in the media, even, like that he wasn't, he didn't think anybody. but was going to split that first stage or he wasn't, he definitely wasn't, or his team wasn't, I shouldn't say Ryan made the decision, but, um, like, and I didn't even hate it.

Like what, as long as they could stay on the lead lap, like as Ryan at this point, I mean, he needed stage points. So maybe it wasn't the best idea for him, but like the nine, some other guys, the 77, I think was another one. If they could stay on the lead lap, now you just banked the set of tires for later, which we were all worried that we were going to be short on tires. But, you know, I was like, all right. Oh, then, like, then they like tried to triple stop the second stage. and forfeited the set of tires.

You just saved. And I was like, okay, now I don't get it. And the 77 had the strategy where they had the extra set for that final stage. And then they just had slow pit stops. And you never really got to see if it got in fruition. I saw him pit early in the third stage. And I was like, oh, it's going to be see how this plays out. Because that was by the math, that was supposed to be the fastest strategy to pit three times in the last stage.

And I saw him come early. So it was like going to be every 30 laps or something like that. And I said, oh, he's going to go for it. And then, yeah, I never saw. He finished 15th. But that was what it was. It was just shitty pit stops. Yeah.

That sucks. But I thought, I mean, for watching there, like, I thought it was, is it hard for you to follow? Like, are you watching the media center? Are you just... I'm watching the media center. And then, like, you know, when Chase Elliott, we go to the CARE Center and go talk to him. I think that's the only time where it's a little bit difficult to follow is if you're chasing something in the garage. And then you come back and you're like, okay, who pitted when and where.

That was a wild wreck. I don't know. Damn, Kyle Bush's give a fuck broke for a minute there. Well, I don't think it was necessarily his fault watching it. I mean, the 19 came. So the 9th to 5 comes down on the night. I think the 19 was cutting a 5 a break and then 8 didn't realize it got in the back of my. I was watching the tape of it and he let all.

He tried letting off the gas. No, I mean, I don't think Colin anything intentionally. It was just a bad, optically not good because he goes in. He turns a 19, comes out of the wreck and hooks the nine. It's like, what the hell's going on? Somebody said, did Kyle Bush just rage quit? I think Denny mentioned that he was door slamming him on restarts. He was like, I'm going to call Kyle.

Ask him if he's okay. Are you okay, bud? I didn't know what happened. So, like, you know, you come through the wreck. We were, I think we were leading to the time. But we, so I looked back and it was a weird, like the finish of the wreck with the nine. I saw the 20, it looked like the 24 hooked him. Like the 24 drove through him because I think Kyle, like, turned him in front of him.

And I was like, damn, what the hell happened? Are those two mad at each other or something? and I watched a reason. I'm like, oh, no, Kyle just hooked him in the fence. Well, and the nine was, there was somebody underneath him. I can't remember who was underneath the nine, but, like, he couldn't go further down. And I don't know whether Kyle just either didn't think anybody was there or just,

I mean, who knew how much control he had. But the weird thing is that Kyle's car wasn't damaged. A whole lot of like he was able to keep going despite hitting everybody. Almost everybody through that wreck, which they all got their spots back, which is another conversation. I didn't know what the hell was going on there. But it seemed like everybody pretty much. except for the nine came through that wreck without a lot of,

I mean, it looked like a damn Daytona wreck into three, and then everybody rolled away and it was fine. I was like, oh, all right, I guess we're going to keep going. But then that one, and then the other incident on the track that I thought was interesting was the 99 blast in the 54 up into Reddick, which Reddick had a really good car. We, like, I think maybe they jinx us because they talked about, that was the first time 2311 swept the first two stages between the company.

Tyler won the first one. We won the second one. And I think they put a jinx on us because then we were the, in 28th, we were the highest finishing. Oh, boy. 23-11 car for the rest of the race. But, yeah, so Tyler, it just looked like Daniel got impatient. I don't know.

He had pressure tires. Daniel said he had fresher tires and he just, you know, didn't expect. To be that much faster. Right. Yeah, he didn't expect a tie to be that slow there in that area. And he just, he came up on him, you know, obviously, you know, it wasn't intentional and wasn't just one of those things. You know, when you talk about tire wear and being on the. fresher tires and just not realizing it.

But I think that's more of your job, right, Freddie? To be able to understand. This guy's on old tires. Yeah. Or when you're on old tires, to make sure you're not losing time, right? Because it's so easy to try to lose time by giving up space, right? But eventually you're going to have to just pick a lane and go run

to stay at everybody's way if that's what you're planning on doing, pitting later than the other guys. So I think sometimes the message is not really given to the driver, right, from up top there to really do what you got to do. And that's when that type of stuff happens. That's what it becomes hard because, like you talk about it all the time on here, we have everything science out to the numbers. Like, you know, like the pace is this. As long as you maintain this pace, you can run along, get to this optimum number and make up time. But the problem is, like, in that scenario this week where everybody's, you know, people with tires on their haul and ask by you, your pace slows way down because now you're getting run over.

corner and you're running different lanes. And then so now you're kind of screwing your own numbers up. So it's your driver's a driver to like I got to maintain this pace. I got to keep this pace up or else this strategy is now out the window for me. Truck race, Corey Hime wins again. Weird. What's that? I'm a jesky had the best.

He did right until his teammate ran in the side. Well, that wasn't. That wasn't on purpose. I feel like there's no more. Nobody has more team on team crime than Thor's four. Like there's some. There's just a lot of quarter. to the field. When you have quarter

of the field there, you're going to get drunk. I didn't know. Like, I didn't know there was oil down over there. And I saw the replay. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, he just wiped out Majeski. And then they went over there and like, oh, yeah, we got to cover this. But, like, Bob, what I want to ask you about this is 65 points. Is that the most anybody's ever had going into the playoffs? I believe so. But look at their second round of the truck playoffs, you know, to get into, which I would call the semifinal round.

Yeah. The Roval, because they had that this year. then Talladega and then Martinsville. Is 65 points enough? I mean, you could lead 90% of each of those three races and end up 30th in each of them. So, you know, yeah, it makes you feel good. It certainly will get him out of the first round. Yeah.

But I don't know if there are how many points you would need to survive, you know, to potentially, to feel safe. To feel safer for that round. What do you think he does, for Talladega, what do you think that group does? You think they just race and take a chance, or you think they're going to play it safe? Gosh.

I don't know. I mean, I think maybe it depends. I'm the reporter. You're the two chief right now. So I'm thinking, like, okay, who wins the Roval? Like, if it's one of the eight who gets into the final four, that could depend. If I know there's only one, if I know there's going to be at least two spots on points,

do I potentially try to run up front and get some stage points? at Talladega. And, you know, would that be enough, you know, if I can get 10 or 15 stage points, then maybe that'll give me enough of a buffer where, you know, even if I did get wrecked, I should be okay going to Martinsville. So I think it kind of depends on what happens at the Roval and who wins there and how many spots you got left. The other thing with the truck playoffs, no, the 52 team did not apply for a waiver.

Yeah, I thought that was the one thing that could unite all the Thor's sport drivers, is if Stewart freezing got a waiver and knocked one of their guys out. I was like, oh, my gosh, now all the Thorpsworth guys are going to work together to do something. You know, they're going to do everything they can to keep a Toyota out or something, but no. Yeah, we talked about this last week. Like, I feel like this is the right move, right? I mean, like, Stewart's not coming back this year. Why burn up a spot?

And Bob, we were talking about this before the show. Like, how much money is he going to lose, like, not? So, I mean, it's not the, in the, and the, trucks, the drivers and the owners each get 50% of the season ending point fund. And that's, it's not even like two million dollars. It's like the overall fund is like 1.7 or so.

And so when you take half of that for drivers, you're talking about, let's just say about 800 grand for all the drivers. Well, 10th and points gets 3% of that. Like the winner gets like 20% of that. 10th and points gets 3%. 20th and points gets 2%. And then if you're outside of top 20, you don't get any. So, and I think, you know,

unless, you know, Spencer Boyd goes on a heater. Frieson's going to be, Frieson will probably be 20th in points as that's as far as he could drop. So you're talking like, it's like maybe $8,000, $10,000, $12,000, depending on where he finishes in points. And remember last year, they find Ty Majeski for missing, like, the championship for media day. Well, there's media obligations this week for a truck series driver.

and like if he had gotten that waiver and he's in the playoffs and I mean I don't think he's coming to Charlotte for that like would they have had to find him. They would have had to find him more than he would have made. Potentially, right? Like if you're, I mean, if you're time of Jesse, you're like, well, if you find me for skiing, you got to be consistent.

So I think financially it probably, I mean, he, I think he even said on serious that financially it really didn't make a whole lot of, a whole lot of difference. I think Freddie was probably a mutual agreement between NASCAR I might have heard some rumors that there might have been a waiver applied for and then there was an agreed upon. Discussion, a nice discussion. Maybe we don't need to have this waiver.

And it's just like we talked about this last week. Like there was no reason for it. Like it's not enough money. But you would argue, well, he earned a spot, right? Because he won a race. So did he? At the end of the day, I think Stuart, for reason, being a racer would have not applied for it anyway. I mean, at the end of the day, we could all say it's for the money, but Stuart,

it being a racer and understanding what. And you talked about this last week. If they had applied for it, it's not, it was more manufacturer related than it was, you know, anything else. Yeah. And I mean, I think the other thing, my suggestion is like, let's develop a policy that says if you apply for a waiver, but you can't,

but you end up not using it, like if you get a grand and you don't show up in the playoffs, then maybe, you know, as long as, like, you didn't come back and get re-injured, you know, then we'll just never give you a waiver again or something like that. Something to say, okay, if you apply for it, there's got to be some risk involved if you're going to take a spot away from somebody who can actually race for a championship.

Speaking of manufacturers, Dodge, I heard there, do you hear anything about an announcement coming? I mean, you hear things, and they don't happen, and then you hear things, you know, I mean, obviously colleague has talked to them. You know, they would probably get by some, Spire has a ton of trucks because they're not going to run us. many next year. Plus, they have a whole fabrication business, so they've got plenty of trucks.

I don't think you'll see Chevy Building Dodge. Right. But, you know, you just need a nose and a tail, right? So you can buy something. I don't think you'll see a Chevy Building Dodge trucks. But, yeah, somebody texts me yesterday. That announcement may come as soon as this week. I don't know if it's colleague or what, but.

It'll make things interesting up on the RCR campus, right? if they have some Dodge trucks and some Chevy Xfinity cars. So, but, you know, we've seen strange bad fellows before. Yeah. O'Reilly Auto Parts, sponsors of the, I don't know how to, are we going to start calling these O'Reilly cars now because I always say the Xfinity cars are so fast. That's what I was wondering. Like, how is it going to roll out?

I mean, is it the Ops or the ORAPs? Or what is it? I thought about today Lauren Albino's going to be happy because it's going to be the Noss series. And, you know, NASCAR, O'Reilly. Oh, yeah, yeah. Some roundabout branding for her. She's getting free publicity. Yeah, hell yeah.

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Did you want to go first? I think he's a whiny bitch. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. Topic number one. Austin Dillon gets redemption after his controversial finish last year at Richmond.

Spot on, spot off. Tommy. Yeah, I think so. I think they had a strong car and he didn't run into anybody this week. So, yeah. I saw people like, we just want to see a green white checker just to see if it happens again. Like, Bob, I'll ask you this. Like, is it redemption? Like you kind of broke this shit upon yourself last year.

And I mean, I'm spot on. But, you know, even Richard Childress was like trying not to say, trying not to think about last year. I don't think they don't view it as redemption. Yeah. I mean, they and partly, you know, because they had a two or three second lead when that caution came out last year. Like they felt like that they, I don't know that you could do anything that would

provide them the feeling of redemption from what happened last year. And, you know, Austin said that he, he was been able to move. I think Austin's been able to move on a little bit easier than Richard. Yeah. Richard has. So, you know. Richard seems a little stubborn, maybe. Yeah. And, and, and so I would say no matter what you think about Austin, Dylan, to see, you know, somebody who, you know, has had a rough year, right? They're 20, what, 28th. They were 28th in points, I think, going into that race. But he finished, like, top 15 in the last two or three races coming in. So they were showing a little bit more speed.

But, you know, go out and do that and win a race. I think, you know, it's hard to say, well, you know, he didn't deserve to win. Now, you can argue playoffs or whatever. But, like, you know, it's a, you know. It was a good for them, guys. I mean, they were the fastest car. And they've been faster. And they were not just last year, but as an organization, they've,

historically, especially like in the expanding series, they're historically are usually pretty good at Richmond. They were, I saw a tweet that I thought was really funny, just going back to last year. I think it was Steel Horse Live, I think, is the Twitter handle? He pops up on my timeline every once in a while, but he

said, may, he drove that set up like he stole it. I was like, oh, man. We haven't heard anything about that. That way is it still? I don't know. Where's that legal battle? I don't know that. I know you've never gotten into the,

legal realm yet. And you bring up points and he was like you said, he was 28th going in. I think he's 25th now. And you don't see the outrage that we saw when SVG won. I don't think. At least I haven't.

Like, you know, this guy don't belong in the playoffs and it's, I don't know what's different about it. But this is one of the things I looked at last night was when I harp on... It was just the three. Yeah. When I harp on like I want a top 25 cutoff, if you look at the top 25 points right now,

SVG is four points above that cut line. Austin Dillon, I think, is either tied or one point above it. And I think it's John Hunter, maybe that's right behind them. Like, could you imagine going to Daytona this week and these guys have to stay in the top 25? What kind of drama that would cause? Like, you could be, you know, you have to race a race a whole lot differently. But, like, I just feel like that would bring more content, more attention to, you know, look, another battle that you have to, these guys have to stay in the top 25 where they're getting eliminated from the playoffs.

So I don't, but for the three. card this week they I mean they kicked everybody's ass and there was one run where we were leading and i thought we were the best car and we had a restart and mcdowl put two on which i don't know what the fuck they were doing but uh we kind of he got it tied off a four pushed us up the three got underneath us he got the lead we got the second and at that point i'm like i think we'll be all right here we're going to get by this guy and i just watched and it was two tents faster two tents faster and i'm just watching him drive away i was like okay i think we're in trouble here this guy's pretty good but yeah they they just kicked everybody's ass

It's good. Good for them. I would like to have seen a finish with him at the 23 and the 45. Yeah. I mean, I think you guys had. Yeah. You don't know. Like we got a, like Bubba, we were a little tight and we freed up for that run. And Bubba's like, all right, I'm too free now.

So, I mean, we were probably one more adjustment, just to go back where we were. And I think we might, you know, we would have easily raised him heads up. I think the 48 was kind of catching him at the end, which I'm sure we're going to get to. But how much later did he pit? I was trying to see the 48. Well, I don't know. I'd have to go back and look because he probably looked at that. He made up like five, six seconds.

Yeah, he was, he was hauling. Speaking of that. Number two, Alex Bowman says on the radio, quote, this is race manipulation and he needs to give us the fucking exit when racing with the 88 and 33 in lap traffic. Freddie? I think the race manipulation, he was bitching about Jesse Love, right? He felt like Jesse Love was blocking him, which is a teammate of the three. And I don't know that he was going to get there anyway.

But I, like, I guess you would expect your Chevy teammates to, too, maybe cut you a break, but they don't have to. And I know I was talking to Noah yesterday, and like they've had run-ins this year, so Noah's not going to cut him a break. You're like, no, you know, like, this is where we talk about shit comes back to bite you at times. Like, I think he wrecked Noah at Nashville maybe or something.

I don't know that it wasn't intentional, but he did. And now this is going to come back to bite you. You're trying to run this guy down and Noah's in your way, unfortunately. So, you know, it's like sluggard's talked about this a lot. Like, you don't know what at that moment could affect something five years from now. And, you know, so it's just this, I didn't think that anybody did anything. They could have obviously gave him a break, but I don't think anybody did anything egregious, like they were holding him up on purpose or blocking him intentionally or anything.

Well, I'm spot off for Bowman's comments because, I mean, I think, at first I thought maybe SVG is thinking, well, I'd much rather race Austin Dillon in the playoffs than Alex Bowman, right? I mean, and is that a strategy? I mean, can you block somebody to keep them out of the playoffs? playoffs is that okay and uh but he also spig was the lucky dog at the time and i think hosovar was coming so i don't now would have been better for him to let him go or does he need to take his line if he if he feels like he needs to do the line that he needs to be able to keep that uh potential free pass position in case the caution comes out i'm i'm everybody

I'm good with that, right? Yeah, and you can be as aggravated as you want because you're being aggravated because what you're trying to do. Yeah. And Alex afterwards said pretty much, I said some things on the radio, but we just weren't good enough. Yeah, I mean, you didn't try to. You say it all the time, Freddie. The lucky dog fight is probably the best race, one of the best racing on the, during the race. They should have a lucky dog camera every, just as the bottom of the screen.

What is it called? It's not called the Lucky Dog anymore. Free pass. Free pass. Free pass. No, it's like relief a lap. Oh, yeah. You should be the case?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They sponsored it for the telecast. NASCAR does not issue an extra set of tires amid high tire wear. Spot on, spot off, Bob. Oh, man, this is a tough one. I would say I'd be spot off. I think they should have given them an extra set

because I still think that would have potentially helped decisions on whether to go, you know, three stops or two stops or even four stops. in that final stage. I think it would have given teams maybe a little bit more options. But, I mean, you can't argue with the race, right? The race turned out great.

But I just, I heard teams were starting to lobby for it early in the week and that, you know, NASCAR and Goodyear, like, no, this is kind of what, this is, we want there to be some strategy in play. But I heard enough on Friday and granted, or yeah on Friday that

I mean grand people are if they don't get what NASCAR gives them they come running to the media right and say oh we need some help we need some help but I would have felt more comfortable going into Saturday with an extra set it was I mean it was fall there was I mean there was a lot of fall off we saw it in qualifying

it was a half a second almost from the first lap to the second lap that's why most of the guys that you know I don't know why anybody ran two laps at the end of that session but yeah I mean it was like four seconds I think it was over 40 laps or something like that. So, you know, we knew, and like if you lay it out before the race, you know, it was the fastest strategy was split the first stage and half, pit twice in the second stage and

pit three times in the third stage. But if you did that, that left you with no tires. Like, there was no more tires left for a caution. Like, that's where I think they, I don't want to say they got lucky, but there wasn't an abundance of cautions to kind of flip shit on its head. There was a couple in that last stage where we had all just put tires on. So nobody was really overly concerned about it. But like if you just got a rash of cautions in the beginning of the third stage, there would have been some shit going on that like, like, they would have flipped the race on its head. How

hard is that to call? Because I think that was the biggest thing. Like, you don't, you got to call the race. And I like it. I think it's the way it should be. I like the Xfinity races are like that a lot. And I think that's the way it's supposed to be. Like, you shouldn't just be able to come put tires on whatever the hell you want. Like, you should have to plan this out. Exactly. And that's, that's

what we're supposed to do, race and strategize. I mean, I think it was a good idea for, to keep it at bay? I mean, will they learn from it and, you know, digest it, you know, and maybe do something different for the next race? But if they give in right now, right? And again, I'm not, it's a project. Everything what we do, especially with this, a new tire like that, it's a project, right? Well, let's keep it like it is. Let's see how the race plays out. Well, the race played out pretty good, right? But could have been better. Okay, well, maybe the next

Richmond or the next place we run this tire that we feel is a big fall. All right. they'll add another set. Maybe we can go to them okay, like you said, okay, stickers, two sets, one set. That's nine sets we really need. And then give us an extra set for a caution, someone to play, some strategy. But it all played out at the end of the day, I think. It's funny because they all wanted more tires. And I would venture to say more than half the field had a set laying at the end.

There was a set laying in the box just sitting there. I mean, how many people would predict that the final stage would go without a caution? Yeah. Well, like these day and age, I feel like we don't ever have cautions except for stages. And again, that happens for a reason because in the driver's minds and they're like, I don't have any more tires. I can't do anything stupid. I can't run into anybody.

Like, sometimes that all transpires in their brains. And you're not running a thousand percent. You know, you're trying to manage your stuff. So you're staying under the tire. you're you're not making mistakes like the only the only time we saw incidents is when that second it was a second or there's a second stage after the start of the third stage or something like that we saw new tires behind old tires and that's what you know everybody is now trying to make up that ground immediately and then

then you start running each other over but uh yeah i don't i have no problem with this i thought i know like basically that it seemed to be like and bob you probably know more about this it seemed to me like naskar said well this is what you all acts for and this is what you got so so you know you deal with it Well, and the hard part is like, why are teams lobbying, right? Like, they were trying to figure out what, you know, is it because they want to have a certain set up with certain air pressures? No, I mean, they lobbied because they did the math after practice or before practice they figured out what was going to happen. And like, it really wasn't enough if extra cautions happened.

Yeah. It was basically, you know, the fastest strategy, they do the math. The fastest strategy left you with no tires. So it was, you know, they were always wanting that one set for a caution. Exactly. William Byron clinches the regular season title with one race remaining. Spot on, spot off. Freddie. I guess nobody's going to watch this week, right?

Because he's locked it up. It's over. Nobody cares anymore. But, yeah, I mean, good for him. They've been the most consistent car. Obviously, the nine was battling them and got wrecked the other day. But, yeah, I mean, and this is the thing we talk about with the point system. Like, this is what happens. And they deserve it.

Like, they beat us. They beat everybody all year. They deserve to lock this thing up whenever the hell they lock it up and then move on. It doesn't take anything away from any of the racing, I think, right? Yeah, I'm spot on. And, you know, this is the reason why it's five more points to win the regular season title than second is because they want to say, hey, you want to run hard. If you run hard early in races and you get a lot of stage points and, you know, so even though he doesn't have as many wins, the fact that it shows that he's been up front more than everybody else that he kind gets another win, right? When you look at the playoff points, and I think that's good.

They should give the, like I was saying, a couple weeks ago, they should get way more points for winning the championship than they do. And they should be leading. Almost, right? Like golf, right? You know, you're leading enough points that, like, if we don't really screw this up. Like it, because. Would you give him the first pit stall every race?

Well, in two weeks, it doesn't pay to be. Yeah. It's just kind of negates it. I mean, you get the points, but it's only. It's just a win, like Bob said. It's just an extra win. Yeah, so. And this is what, like, we talk about, you know,

obviously they beat the horse of death about the full season state. And this is what happens. Like last year, we had a phenomenal regular season championship. I think it was one point between Reddick and Larson. This year, it's not that going to be that way. You know, it's just circumstantial shit happens. Like, sometimes it can be great. Sometimes it's not going to be so great.

Somebody's going to kick our ass, and they did this year. So congrats to them. All right, rumor mill. Dover is rumored to be hosting the All-Star Race in 2026, with North Wilkesboro getting a points race. Bob, is that true? It's true. It's a rumor.

It's true. Wait, wait. It's true or a rumor? It's true that it's a rumor. The schedule very well could come out this week, but, you know, sometimes we've heard that before, and then it's another week or two. But, I mean, certainly being highly considered. So we won't have a points race there.

No, you'd just, you'd have a, you'd have the All-Star race there. You know, I think North Wilkesboro, there's been clamoring four points race, and it's a speedway motorsports track. So you look at, well, where else could you, where would you swap it with the All-Star race? And the All-Star race is part of the Fox portion of the schedule. It can't move. I mean, I guess it can, but I mean, according to the contracts from what NASCAR tells me, the All-Star is part of the Fox portion of the schedule. So it has to come before, well, right now is the 600. So, you know, I heard some people say, well, maybe in July, no, it would be amazing.

So then, I mean, the only other kind of speedway motor sports track, I mean, Bristol could make a little bit of sense. You had there once and then kind of differentiates it from the night race. Or, you know, I thought Nashville maybe could be one. But then also, I think, you know, they're still trying to push that fairgrounds deal through. And so maybe they don't want to, maybe they want to use that as the little carrot, like say, hey, if you get this through, you'll, you know. then we'll bring the All-Star race there. So, I mean, you know, I mean, I haven't heard. I don't think they're putting lights up for it.

That's what I was going to ask you. You know. Does that track have lights? It doesn't. I mean, it does provide. You don't think they're going to do something special? They're going to have to. Something's going to have to be different for the crowd to go, it's just an all-star race, right?

Or, you know what I'm saying? It's not going to be, they got some ideas. I guarantee you they got some ideas what they're going to do. That is going to be interesting. And, you know, it used to be that the track and the casino were both owned by this, by Speedway Motor. You know, they was owned by the same, not by the speedway motorsports, but the same group. And so they never wanted to have a night event because they want people, they want, you know, they want. Take somebody out of the casino.

I was going to say to take con. They want Freddie away from fire and ice, right? I've been in that casino a legend. Just put a record. But then some people say, well, because of the Air Force base, too, you know, how much lighting can you, you know, can you have and everything. What about the race in there? I mean, that was my biggest concern. The stages and, you know, the amount of laps that the All-Star race usually runs, I mean, that place takes a long time to get rubber buildup for some stuff to start happening.

What are we going to do? Yeah, like the more laps we run, the wider we can, you know, we can start to move around. Well, you're not, I'm assuming you're essentially going to cut the race and have. I mean, I can't imagine it being more than 200 laps for the All-Star race. It's probably going to be, I don't know, maybe less than that. But, you know, just. Put the reds on and let them eat. Yeah, like, I mean, that's what they'll have to do something with tires or whatnot.

But, like, this is, you know, I talked about this earlier in the year, and I got a little outrage from our friends in the Northeast. But I said, like, I think it was maybe after Wilkesboro. And we were talking about, you know, Wilkesburg would make a great points race. You know, it's going to be, well, these, the two tracks that, had to worry about were Dover and New Hampshire. Yeah, but Dover's had a great crowd. Not this year. No? No. Not this year. And it was a bad

race. And like this is, I'm concerned for Dover because like those are two things you can't have. You can't have no people in a bad race. And I mean, I don't know whether I can say this on Dale Jr.'s You can say anything. But like, or 40 cup cars at North Wilkesboro? Is that a good idea? Like, we saw the trucks and it was okay. But like, I mean, part of me is, like, I mean, I don't know, the All-Star race seemed to be a good and having 25 cars on there seem to be good. 40 cars is going to be awesome. Yeah, I think it's going to be, I think it's going to make their racing 10 times better because you're going to get in traffic and that's going to help you pass. It's going to be good.

But, yeah, and then, like, Tommy, the thing I want to ask you, because, you know, this is kind of what you're going to have to deal with next year, I assume unless you get fired. But, you know, the only thing I don't like about this, and I talked about this with Texas on the show years ago. Like, I hate the idea of having to make people travel for the open. You know what I mean? You're going to run a... But we're going to... We would have to go to Dover anyway now, right? I mean, we're not, again, it's...

We're going to Wilkesboro, and we're going to Dover no matter what. It's playing already, but... So what's the difference nowadays? I mean... Not so it don't make a difference. Do some Wednesday night shows, will you? Somebody do some Wednesday night shows. But we've got...

Fox. Call Fox. We can still have 38 races. nowadays, but let's, we can shorten it up a little bit? Yeah, yeah. We can do this. Trust me. We're capable. It's time for

reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. My mom asked me if I did the dishes. I replied Kyle Bush. She smiled because they knew that shit was washed. Oh, boy. I've seen there was like a meme on Friday night

of, like, crafting. I think somebody shared it with us, even in one of the group texts. It was like a picture of crafting, and it just said, fucking retire. And I was like, oh, that's tough.

And then the next night, they did the same thing for Kyle. I was like, oh, man. Two guys, two good guys. What the fuck, Kyle Busch?

Every fucking week you see the Randall Burnett fucking Nicar up or Kyle Busch fucking speeding on pit road. He fucking washed. Fuck you, pop, pop, kiss my ass. Was,

was like, was a trending term yesterday? Wow. I don't know. Why did everybody used it? Wow. Very popular. Kyle Bush is very popular.

Are people blaming Kyle? Are they blaming Randall? Are they blaming Richard Chilress? You got to understand. They're a little backed up. The fans are getting aggravated. It's getting blue over there. We tried giving them a reprieve with legend racing,

but I don't know if they took it seriously. Yeah, that was a pretty damn good race. Since the three-car won, do you think the Kyle Buschers can get a pass since it's an RCR card, and we can go ahead and get late tonight? That's the poor friend. Nope.

It's a good try, but no. Does he count? Does it not count. Hey, Kyle. This is Pop Pop. It's time to retire the freaking racing boots, you moron. Use your mirrors. Damn, Kyle's...

Pop-pop and washed. Kyle is getting some hate this week. That's my last one. Oh. Short and sweet. Hey, two things. So Bob is like the absolute cutest. Enjoy talking to the tweet him at the tweet of,

and he's catching up to T. as my celebrity crush on the show this week. And number two, I saw a girl wearing a Connor Zillet shirt. She said that she doesn't know anything about NASCAR, but that him falling off his car

was the most relatable thing. So I know he thinks it makes him look like a pussy, but it might end up getting him some. Bob, why are you blushing? I think there was a little bit too, Do you think that one was alcohol-induced at all or not? Have you ever left your glasses?

Do you think you left your glasses at her house? Oh, I mean, that's like, that's OG. That's OG DVC back in the day. Let's tell that story again. No, no. I've told it once. I mean, you know. But I've never heard it.

You got to tell up her, Carson. Come, gosh. Is this going to get you in trouble? I mean, it's already out there. I did the, you know, I left to spend the night at a, you're somewhere, yeah. I spent the night at a friend's house and, you know, and I had to get to work the next morning. And this is like 30 years ago. This is long time ago.

All right. And, you know, you know, like you wake up in the morning and you're kind of blurry eye, you know, and so I get my car and I'm driving. And like, this is like 20 minutes, 20, 30 miles from where I need to go get to work. work and like I get 10 miles from work and the signs are still blurry. I'm like, what the hell of all? Like, I'm awake now. I look up. I put on her glasses.

Oh, shit. So I drive back. This is like before you had cell phones. Okay. This is how we'll say, you know, you know. Drive back. Damn. And like, here.

That's tough. And here we are. Yeah. So, I mean. It looks like you still got her. No. I saw. These are.

Those are Bob. Some people sometimes say are those your... Oh, man. Yeah. All right. Well, to leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number at 704-802-9-572, and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. Actually, I had a few people at Anderson say something about calling into reaction theater. I was hoping they would, but...

I guess they didn't. So do we ever get to the bottom of this? Alex, do we get a strange phone call talking about Tommy's wife on a weekly basis? Yeah. Wait, what? I haven't heard it in a while, but there was a point where, yeah, that did happen. Like, is it a joke or is it real? No, it's a joke.

And real. Actually, it is real, but we know the person. Okay, okay. He finally admitted to me the other night that it's been him. Tommy said, have we been getting weird calls about somebody telling Beth to call them? And I said, yeah, but Alex just thinks it's you calling the wrong number. Very well could be. I'm sorry.

Like that time she wouldn't take you to the airport It's time for AskDBC You can sit in your questions on X each week Using hashtag AskDBC From Tony Mamba Smith said on X that The point isn't to crown the best driver Is to crown the best team

Who executed the best When the pressure was at its highest And the lights were on its bright Or were at its highest And the lights were the brightest Do you agree with him? No. Mamba had a moment of poor decision making, I think, at this point.

You never want to say the point is not to crown the best driver as the champion. And I think, I mean, he's up to like a million views on this thing now. And it's, I don't really see, I didn't see many people agreeing with him. And it's like, yes, the idea is to crown the best team as the champion. But at the end of day, it's a champion. The driver is the champion. and you want to see the best driver in your series be your champion. Yeah, the best driver of the season, right?

For sure, right? You want the best. And I mean, the point is that that's why there's all the discussion of how to crown the champion, right? Like, I mean, I would say that, you know, the, I mean, the question is, does this system even do that, right? Does this system, you know, because anything can happen? Like, as I always say, this isn't like other sports. The ball doesn't deflate when you throw it. Well, okay.

But normally, right? You know, in the NCAA championship game, when the guy takes a shot, the ball doesn't all of a sudden deflate. Well, you know, here at Phoenix, you could have, you know, Christopher Bell Break rotor or something, you know, happen that, you know, can take away a great season. So does the best driver? I mean

In the old era Were they ones Were the ones that won the championship though I mean It was the most consistent guy Right You know So

But Yeah I don't know I just Like this system I think rewards the T And I think that's what he's getting at Yeah

He's kind of I don't want to call him a NASCAR Shill like Tommy is But The NASCAR what Shill Like I think you have a NASCAR polo

On under there sometimes But I'm just surprised he has a polo on at all today. But, you know, so he's going to kind of tie everything back to the system we have. And I think that this system that we have now, the team is more of an important factor than the driver sometimes because, like Bob said, you could have a, you know, we could be out there running and whoever the best guy is that they could be leading the whole race. And then you got a caution with five to go. And then now it's the pick crew is going to win the championship essentially.

So, you know, this system we have now, I think rewards the team more than the driver. But to your point, and maybe not always the most talented guy that wins the champion. but it's usually it I you never the words that he started this with the point is isn't to crown the best driver turned everybody off immediately and I just think it was yeah like it wasn't off to a start and at the end of the day yeah we talk about the driver winning the championship but it it is the team yeah right I mean I probably you know just thinking out loud quickly tennis tennis isn't even a single person anymore I mean you look at the the the group in the stands that they all got to go to.

I mean, it's just everything today is a team sport, you know, and yeah, the driver gets the most recognition and gets talked about. But if it wasn't for us and the spotters and the pit crews and the people at the shop and, you know, all the people that are making all the decisions in the office and, you know, travel, it's a lot that goes into this. And the thing is, in the system you have now, you can, in the, in the process you have now, you can in the playoffs beat somebody else

for nine straight weeks and perform when the pressure is at its highest and the lights are the brightest for nine weeks and then the one week not beat him and not be the champion. So, you know, it's... Bob, what's your ideal championship format? I don't know, is anybody you like...

I think I like, I do like, you know, a Chase playoff type system. I do like some sort of, elimination and I I've right now I would probably go I don't

16 is a lot but but but but you know other sports also put in about half their half their feel right so I went mine like 16 then after five races maybe cut it to 10

and then for the after two more cut it to like four or five four I think you need at least three final round like three final round I I think the hardest to win was when it was a 10 race playoff because you had to be so good for so long. But I do like the sense of some elimination as well. So I would kind of adjust the system to a point where you have three races and then that way,

you know, so if you're good at a short track or good at a super speedway or bad at a speedway or bad at a road course or good at a road course, that there's a mix in there where, you know, you can kind of, you know, you don't just hurt somebody consistently, right? Because when we get to Phoenix this year, the storyline is going to be, it's going to be Penske. Cars have been good here. It's J.G. Argar are sometimes good here,

and Hendrick Cars can't seem to figure it out. All right, Shitshow Hall of Fame. What shit shows? A Connor won last week, obviously. It did? Well, I can't believe that. I can't believe that. 50% of the vote.

I really thought it would be more. And that's history making. That's the first time that the shit show. had the guest on the show. So that was, we made DVC history last week. For me, I had, well, I had that massive hole in the racetrack that you guys had at Anderson. I don't know, what the hell? Like, just from all the rain or?

No, it was, it wasn't a hole when we got there. No, I know. It just, it was pieces of it were coming up. So they patched it overnight and they did a great job. So did they dig it up? Yeah. Okay. that's why it was that's why it looks so dramatic um it was the picture i'm sure we can share

the picture of it but uh i sent luke somebody had a picture somewhere i sent there to luke and i said man i think if you hook your right sides in this hole i think you're really going to be on a rail right here and then like i texted me on night after the race and i said well you must have really done you must have found that spot but they did a good job fixing it looked like it was i don't know how it was for grip but they i mean it was there seemed like there's any issues um i think the Kyle Bush wreck has to be on there. Just a shit show in general. Just a shit show in general.

Just the wreck itself because it looked like... It literally looked like a Talladega wreck and turned three in Richmond. The one that's going to win is the late model guy. Did you see this, Bob? The guy flying through the air like... No wall and just right over into whatever the woods or what it was behind it. The driver was Kevin Moore. It was Speedway 660 up in Canada.

He's okay, right? He's okay. It's been happening in Canada lately. I've got some dangerous races. I wonder if they found that you see that truck driver, the tow truck driver, like... He was still at large. He's at large. Wait, seriously?

Yeah. Oh, shit. He ran away or something. Yeah. At large. Sony said he had a kid in the truck with him. Like, hopefully nobody was hurt. But, yeah, so...

He said he crossed the Mexican border. He made one order from Canada to the Mexican border. He went from Canada to Mexico like we did? Yeah, he stole a money. It's possible, man. It's possible. You got to take a couple of years. He's going to need a week off after it.

Go like four tow trucks and got there. He's looking for me next. Yeah. Toad truck guard. But yeah, the wreck, I mean, Alex, but the wreck was insane. There's no wall to backstretch. We'll describe it here because I know everybody gets upset. We talk about wrecks you can't see.

But there's no wall to backstretch. And the poor guy, like, once he gets off in the dirt, he knows he's fucked. He's along for the ride. Like, he's just like, oh, God, I hope I don't hit something. And then next thing you know, he is literally flying through the air. Duke's a hazard. Yes, he is okay. From what I told, I hope he's okay.

All the comments and everybody that sent me the video, I said, the driver is okay. Feel free to share this. So thank God he is okay. We saw something similar at, was it Berlin? Yeah, Berlin. They ran this week, right, Wednesday night, I think. The Leptin kid, same thing, got off the back straightaway and hit the end of the wall. They have like a tire barrier.

He hit the end of the wall. It wasn't quite as spectacular as this one was. But, yeah. So, I mean, that's going to win. It should win. That's, it'll be the biggest shit show of the week. Is there anything else? Modified's, LaJoy.

It wasn't LaJoy's fault. What the fire? It wasn't. Newman spun the tires, but you got a lift, but you're in the middle of shifting right then. What are you going to do? Got to lift at some point. 51 was pushing LaJoy, too. Look, I don't really stick up for LaJoy much, as you know.

Every day of restart wreck we've had this year is LaJoy has been involved. Or the 51. Or Justin. Those two cannot be close to each other. They're saying things were stacking up, you know, in that area. Yeah. He did say, he did mention, well, we would just stacking pennies in. Oh, boy.

He ran top five both. He ran fifth in that race, I think, and then he ran fifth again in the truck race, which that truck race got a little wild with that caution that kind of caught everybody out in the middle. But, yeah, I don't, like, there wasn't a lot of shit shows this week, I don't think. How was remember? Had any shit shows in the room? No. No, no fighting?

No, everything was good. You didn't beat nobody yet? I would have lost everything I owned. that said you were going to have a shorter speech than Tommy Ryan. Tommy Ryan said more words in that speech than I've heard him say in my entire life. I didn't have a choice between Long John Silver's. He had a 14-page speech and Pumpkinhead keep talking and talking and talking. I'm like, man, we've got to get the racing going on.

I got food getting ready to be cooked. We had like 50, 60 people come after the race and we hung out. I'm like, I don't have time for a speech. All right. Well, remember to go vote on our Shitshow Hall of Fame Twitter poll on who you want to see inducted into the Hall of Fame this week. DBC picks. The guests are literally killing us.

This is unbelievable. Bob. The guest won again. Bob, you're not picking. Can you punt? So I got picks. You get,

you get, uh, you don't pick you. Right now I'm buying dinner, so this is not good. No, I think I am. We're tied. But you won more recently than I did. Oh, that's all matter.

Okay. I got news for you. You're probably not going to have the book. Is this the end? Oh, I'll bat my eyes somewhere somehow. Is this the whole year for dinner or a, the whole year,

the whole year. The whole year. The score doesn't. The score doesn't change. I got to make sure the rules now. So the score doesn't change. We just reset. You can pick those other guys.

You know, you pick your resets after next week. Thank God. Because you're out. I've been saying this every week, but I am out. This is an easy one. Wait a second. Who picked for me last week?

I did. You're welcome. No, you guys, I could have texted a pick-in. That's bullshit. Yeah, we didn't think about it. You didn't even know where you were. Yeah. You didn't even know where you were.

You texted Monday morning. I didn't know if I was in Michigan or Wisconsin. By the way, I forgot. I really did. I forgot my flight's not to one. I know. I did. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. My bad. I'll never do that to you guys ever again. You get to go first this week, though. Oh, thank God. That's what Alex has set you up. He tanked for you last week, so you pick first. What's happening?

We're going to Daytona this week. Oh, okay. Then I'm going to pick, really pick anybody out of who I have left and I might have a shot. Did we like delete a bunch of drivers here? What happened? Why doesn't the list look so screwed up? Yeah, I got rid of a couple guys that don't race now. He got rid of curbs.

But you left Jimmy Spencer. You never know. He might come back. He's good there. He's won there. All right. I'm going to take Noah Gregson. Noah Gregson.

I mean, I'm... Who picks next? Justin Haley, I'm going to pick. I will take Stenhouse. Actually, no. I'm going to take Kyle Busch. I lied. All the hate for Kyle Busch this week, I'm taking them.

I'm going to take Almondinger. AJ, that's a good pick. Bobby, you know, Tommy ticked Justin Haley. We hear rumors of his seat warming up. Like, do you see a change on the horizon there? Or? I mean, I'd say it's about as warm as Carson, apparently in a car at Millbridge.

It's a little bit hot. A little hot. Running hot. I just get to get my anger out one day a week. I think he's been running better last few weeks. I mean, he's obviously involved in that crash. I think it's Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know,

they haven't been really pleased with that performance. Obviously, they changed crew chiefs during the year. And I think, you know, I don't think Sparks is going to crew chief again next year. Like the design is for him to be a competition director. So they're probably bringing in another crew chief for next year. So, I mean, I think it's, it's warm. It's warm. And I think that, you know, the next several weeks probably,

could determine things on that. Who has his contract? Oh, that's a good question. You know, is it Rick Ware or is it? No, no, it's not Rick where. It's Rick. It's Rick, but it's not where. Who is he really driving for, Bob?

Can you get down to the bottom? We'll have to. He's got a punch on that one. Figure that one out. Did you get anything good at a Lottetta yesterday on Cori 9? Well, Lettta was talking to Bob behind our hall. I said, Bob, I said, I think there's a lot. I mean, obviously with Honeycutt.

Coming in there, you know, expected to come in there. I think the plan has been for Corey to be, you know, partial cup and to see, you know, how many expanding races they can get with, you know, he has a relationship with Sam Hunt. So I think that there's certainly that that's kind of what it's looking like for him for next year. Yeah, I can't. I don't think. I can't see him driving a different, a cup car for a different company next year.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a sound like that it was talked about. Like, could it be possible? But I don't know that it went all that. It went, you know, look, I mean, if your cup team, you're going to look, can I get this guy even for a year if I'm looking for something specific? But no, I think he's going to be good. Who was it? Was it a busher?

Like some, was it Roush. The Busher was kind of loaned to, you know. JTG? Yeah, and then still had the rights to him. If you, you know, so we talk about Haley's C being hot. Who are the, who is, who would you say is the? Suarez is kind of the name that keeps getting thrown around of, of potential, you know, somebody who's looking who has, who has experience.

And, you know, I think if, you know, I think the hard part for Suarez is, you know, okay, if that really is an opportunity, is opportunity for one year or is opportunity for multiple years or what's, he's in a hard spot because, you know, it sounds like that there could be a lot of movement after the 20, six seasons. So, you know, do you want something that's stable so you're not part of all that? Or do you want to be part of all that? Yeah, for sure. You coming this week? Yeah, man. Two cars? No. No? Is that car running again this year? Probably not. Probably not. Corey's running, I think he's running the rest of the truck races, right? I think so that probably maybe changes things a little bit for him.

Yeah, I don't know what to expect of Daytona, Bob, running around half throttle and... Yeah. A few homage. Yeah, I think it's going to be the same as what you've had before. You know, the first couple of stages are going to be to be fuel mileage. I'm in a war with our marketing department because when you see my pain scheme this week, can't see it. We're not going to get along for a car. Oh, boy.

It's going to be difficult. I will say that. Yes, very difficult. I mean, a car looks great, just not for me, like from a mile away, whatever it is. But, yeah, not ideal. but I told Bob I said at least it's not like what we used to be doing like as I ran we ran a very difficult scheme there a couple years ago I don't know when they're going to announce it so I can't really talk about the scheme but like you know it's hard but nowadays it's just two by two and you don't really do anything so it's a little bit easier you don't really get away from each other plate racing is as easy as it ever has been to spot I think so about the last 40 labs and that's going to be crazy right two by two like maybe a third lane forms if you get lucky but like it's going to be a little different and I think and what leads you to think that Tom Have we changed the car at all? Like, no, but I think it's one race, two races before the playoffs.

And I think that obviously there's a lot of guys not in the playoffs. And I think you're going to see a little bit different type of racing there. I think, you know. But I don't know, what can you do differently? Like, Toyota's kind of tried to plan last time of we're going to run everybody out of gas. And that didn't work. You know, like, so, like, I don't know what you can do different. At the end of the day, the way to win the race,

is save fuel. Have the shortest amount of time off it road for the end. And then once you get to like, I think the middle of the race is exciting. You know, you get with the fuel saving and some guys trying to go and some guys not, you get three wide racing,

you get exciting. But the last run becomes two by two or maybe three by three. But there's no real, it's not what it was. You know, that's the thing that drives me crazy. I just, it was so much fun. I think the last stage,

because if you think about it, Who's going to be racing for stage points? Nobody, right? Well, Bowman, maybe, but... Okay. But one guy is not going to have a plan to outrun 38 cars, right? Yeah. So I think the third stage is going to get a little crazy.

I would love for it to get crazy. I mean, maybe not spotting. Yeah. Yeah, watch what you said. I just... Unless weather's coming in, right? No, I think you guys... I think we're all going to say.

see a really wild crazy race on Saturday. So I shouldn't go out Friday night. No. No, go to sleep. You need to be sharp. Aren't you spotting Friday night? Well, yeah, but after. Okay. Believe it or not, the bars are still open. Oyster pub only till 1230. 1230. I think they close at 1230 now. It's like, I don't know what the hell happened on that place. I don't race. Yeah, I got kicked out of there last week. You get kicked out everywhere. That's at four.

I wish it was a four. I actually don't wish it was a four. But, yeah, I don't know. But I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I just don't have a lot of optimism for this car plate racing, unfortunately. Bob, what were you? You coming to Daytona, this mate? Yeah, should be at Daytona. That's what I've been told.

I've got a flight to Daytona. What do you have to talk about in Indy? The championship's already done. Is it over before? Oh, yeah. Yeah, their championship is done, but there's still, you know, there's points to be racing for. Yeah, yeah, he locked it up.

Yeah, locked it up at Portland. Yeah, like six races ago. The last race. The last race. So, you got, you got people racing for next year, you know. What's the, what's the rumor? Sunday, Sunday at Fox, you know, after. So after you're done watching on a cup on Saturday, that gives you something to watch on Sunday.

What's, willpower? That's the big name, right? That's the big, what's going on with willpower? He wants to know from everything that we can tell. We don't know who's in charge of Penske. I mean, we do. can tell you who's in charge. Who's always in charge of Penske.

Well, we know. Roger Penske. We know that. And I think that's, but you know, they've obviously gone through a lot of leadership changes there. So I think it's, you know, he, and he told me last week that he doesn't expect to know until, I guess, what would be next week, last week, you know, around Nashville time. So, so we'll see.

We'll see. I mean, he certainly, I can tell you, I mean, you know, he says he doesn't know where he could racing or like if he's racing i'm pretty confident he'll find somewhere he'll be racing he'll be racing gotcha there's some of a truck news that just came out oh we got right now matt crafton is retiring basically yeah and uh tie mojessie's gonna drive that car the truck i guess next year where were you on that i don't know i mean i know you knew that was happening like what the hell no i knew if if crafton decided to retire mjcgueski was going to go into the minards the minards it so it's going to stay the Menards 88 with Majeski.

Yeah. I know a young guy that they get to take Majisky's ride that's been in their truck a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully three times, a few more times this year. Speaking of that young fella, he did win the other night and in dominating fashion. Luke Baldwin wins the pro race. Yeah, I was watching. I was watching both races at once for the first 10 laps of our race in Riverhead.

But, yeah, he did a really good job. You know, they struggled on Friday. Yeah, that's what he said. I stayed on them. And, you know, I just like, man, you got to figure it out, and you got to keep talking to Troy. And, you know, you guys got to find the problem. And Saturday morning, they found the problem and even got better.

So, yeah, it was good that they worked so hard. And, you know, I was a little confused why the six-car blamed Luke for those guys wrecking. I mean, Luke never even touched him. Of course, not. Luke's a saint. No, he's not a saint, but this time he didn't touch him. This time he was. One time he didn't do anything.

I was a little confused why they blamed him, but whatever. Whatever. Who won Landon? Landon Lewis? Yep, one of the mall stocks. He climbed all the way on top of the roof with both feet, and I was like, please, for the love of God. That's actually safer, I think. As long as you're not standing on the window net, you're going to be okay.

Like, it's going to be fine. Who else this weekend? Dylan Slepian, we talked about he won the Baldwin War and Roy. man. It sounds like I haven't got a chance to go back and watch it. Yeah, the last 10 laps, 15 laps was really good. I mean, they race side by side. They bumped.

I mean, they did not wreck each other. They did a really good job. Did it the right way. I went over after the race and told my dad would have been proud of that one. That's cool. All right. Anyway, I was good to see everybody out in Richmond,

saw a bunch of DBC fans. I've tried to get out there for the, you put the tweet up way too far away from me. I was fat. I'm fat. We're trying to find shade. Send the Fox golf cart. It was so hot there.

Like even on, it was worse. When we race, Thursday, the modified race. It was miserable hot on Thursday. But yeah, so it was a hot weekend during the day. But it was, I thought it was good racing pretty much all weekend. Yeah, great racing all weekend. Truck race was good. Modified race was good.

I mean, a lot of tire wear there. Damn, awesome beers. I wanted to choke him. Like burned his shit up just to keep Justin Bonsuor lap down and cost him to race. Idiot. I'm going to have to call him and tell him. He's on my shit list for that. Anyway, thanks for coming out to Richmond.

We will see everybody in Daytona. Good chance you'll probably find me at the Oyster Pub if you need me. If you need me. We got a problem, though. Tommy called me the February. He's like, what happened? I was like, what do you mean? He's like, all of our bartenders are gone.

They've been there for 30 years. Three quarters and been there over 30 years, you know? I said, what do you mean? I went in there the next night and I'm like, you're right. I don't recognize anybody. What happened to this place? Did it sell? I mean, I was very upset.

Bob, thank you for joining us. Thanks for always. Enjoy your truck media day tomorrow. I'm sure that'll be riveting as always. Yeah, it's always fun. Talk to the truck series drivers. Yeah. Again, thanks for coming.

Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next week with somebody. Gluck. Gluck's here next week. He's changed. You got a real media member coming in. All right. Thank you.

We had the number one guy here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Gluck's Changed's Day. Gluck was always.

Martinsville. He was always come out after Martinsville before Phoenix and changing things up this year. So he's going to he wanted to come in. He's going to be in town next week for something. I don't know, maybe. Cut playoff me. You know. So yeah. So he'll be here Monday. And I don't know what else we got after that? We got some

cool shit coming down the pipe. I'm trying to get some I'm trying to get one big guy in here. That'll be fun. Like old school guy that I think old modified driver that I got Mike Davis working on trying to get him in here. So that'll be fun if we can get that done. But anyway, thanks again for listening. We'll be back next week. See you then.

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