Door Bumper Clear - Brent Crews: COTA, Cool Suits & The Age vs. Experience Debate

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Door Bumper Clear is back and ready to recap the race at Circuit Of The Americas, and this time they are joined by a fresh face to the show and NOAPS series - Brent Crews! The 17-year-old racing phenom joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin & Karsyn Elledge to discuss his debut and recap the race weekend. We open up learning about Brent's background, how he discovered racing, and how he felt battling against Shane van Gisbergen in his debut. In Spot On, Spot Off, the gang covers: Tyler Reddick's historic win, but will he make history with a Championship? Tire packs vs. track limits at COTA Corey Day's dust-up with Connor Zilisch and what it looks like for him to move forward Should the truck series return to St. Petersburg in 2027? Reaction Theatre & S*** Show Hall of Fame have a common theme, and that would be Karsyn Elledge handling business in the CARS Tour victory lane, as well as Eli Tomac chipping his tooth on his trophy - yes, that is a real sentence. The crew dives into Ask DBC, where we ask Brent about Flo's 20 Under 20 ranking, driver inspiration, and IndyCar x NASCAR crossover events. And that's a wrap for this week! We will see you guys after the race in Phoenix.  Don't forget to check out the merch at shop.dirtymomedia.com! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. What if we left all the spotters out of everything? That's a terrible idea. You know what's funny? What page are we on? Why are you cursing that? This is why I'm just you cursing to me. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craft Spotter for Bubble Wallace. Dean Thompson this weekend. I take a week off of Gio.

The poor kid runs straight in the fence. I don't know what the hell is what he's doing out there, but we're going to have to get on him. Did his dad call you? No, not yet. He hasn't? Not yet. Not this week.

Oh, I figured he was saying, I'm going to fly you there. I'm going to fly you there. I'm going to fly you there. You're coming everywhere. Morning, Thomas. How are you today? I'm great.

Yeah, great. He's good. He seems like his vibes are good this morning. He's got good vibe. We are a little later in the day, so maybe he's not so grumpy this morning. How is that at the gym? already worked out.

So that's why you couldn't do 930 because you had to go to the gym? No, that was earlier. Same. I was at the gym as far as. Yeah. How are you, Carson? I'm good. I'm good.

I had a pretty uneventful weekend. Slow news week. Yeah, slow news week in the cars tour. Do we want to clear the air that we... Did I hear you say my verse? I'm sick of you. No. It's tired of you, motherfuckers.

No. As you were flinging Barnsey out of the way? Yeah. Cool Barnsey. So it actually was my sister that you see in the video. that is slinging him backwards with Josh Kosick. I was on the other side when he went in the window. At first, like, if they were going to come up and just have a little heated conversation

who's going to get in the window, say, hey, fuck you, man, whatever, and walk away. Like, I was going to give him the opportunity to do that. But the second that his hands went in the window now, I'm like, all right. So I grab around his arm and I, like, muslim as hard as I can with my body, like, towards just away. And then I see Kennedy. and she's standing there like this and he falls into her arms and Josh's arms

and they just finished him the rest of the way off and I think a lot of people thought that Kennedy was me because we do look alike but the bad bitch that was Yarden and backwards was my sister I thought it was you. Kennedy became the Muppet now so we're going to hang Kennedy's picture. Thank God I'm going to get replaced.

And I do want to be clear that you would have done that for whoever won the race. That's the other thing is while yes it was in a J.R.M. Carr in Victory Lane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, next. Next.

I would have had to do that no matter who it was. I mean, that's your victory lane. They're fucking with. That's what I'm saying. That's the one thing. Like, this is my shit. I know. I know.

And like, it's crazy. The list of things that have happened to me since managing Victory Lane, I've gotten ran over by Spencer Davis. I've taken a champagne cork to the eye. Thank you, T.J. I got thrown up on by a child. I've poured water down Caden Cawap. Is that T.

That's T. No, that was. I think that was one of Kendall Sellers kids, maybe. And then I think, and then now we've gotten in a fight. So it's, yeah, it's never a dull moment at the Cars Tour. Sounds exciting. Joining us, a former Cars Tour winner this week made his debut in the Xfinity series at Coda this weekend. Fine sixth place finish, I believe.

Brent Cruz, welcome to Doorbumpur, Clear, buddy. Cruzy. Thank you guys for having me. Yeah. Let's talk about, I mean, we'll get into more of your history a little bit, but let's talk about this weekend specifically. I know knowing you, I know you wanted to go out there and win the race. You know, jokingly, Kyle Hall also represents Bubb and represents Brent.

And we were talking a couple weeks ago, maybe Daytona. I can't remember where exactly it was. And Kyle said, hey, we need to get Brent on once he wins the race this year. And Brent looked at me and says, I guess we'll just go ahead and schedule Coda now. And I said, I'm in. Let's do it. But I know, I know, I mean, I got up there, lead laps. I know, but I know you want more.

So just kind of break down the race for me. Yeah. I mean, this is something I've been looking forward to for, gosh, 10 years now. He's 18. I know. Not even 18. He's looking forward to it. He's been racing since he's in diapers.

Yeah, pretty much. But, no, this weekend was super cool. And I think, you know, the part I was most excited about was I got to race all my best friends again. You know, me, Jesse, Connor, and all of our other friends, both of Tommy's kids are so close. And being able to go out there and race Connor and Jesse again. It was really cool to me. I mean, all of us go hang out afterwards and talk crap about the whole weekend. And the whole three weeks leading prior, we've just been joking about who's going to beat each other and all that stuff.

So that was like the excitement part of it too. But being able to have my first start at Cota was really special to me too. I won my first TA2 championship there. I won the year prior, just the race there. So being able to have it on a road course was super cool to me too. And like I said, just something I've been, you know, wanted to do for years now. But yeah, I mean, the weekend went pretty smooth. We were terrible in practice.

I mean, I remember pulling in the pits and looking at the sheet, and we were 25th. And I was like, man, like I'm expected to be a road course guy. And we show up and we felt like last at the time. And we just worked on it and got it better and better and better. And then you saw us racing there for the lead there, you know, late in the race. So it was a lot of fun. How was it just, you know, just the approach of the weekend, obviously. I know a lot of prep goes into something like that.

And then you go out there and kind of execute. I mean, I know you want, like I said, you want them more. I know you wanted to win the race, but you execute very well. What I thought about it was, you know, obviously we'll talk about a little bit that incident with Sheldon. But, you know, up to that point, I thought it was a very clean race. One of the things I tell there, all the young guys is like, you essentially your first couple races, you don't even want nobody to know you're on the racetrack. You know, unless you're leading, which you did get to the lead.

But, you know, if you can run fifth or sixth, you know, all day long and keep yourself out of trouble. But I felt like that's kind of how cool was that getting out there your first race. That was due to the way he did. The way he did it was the coolest part too. But no, you're exactly right. And that's what me and my team talked about too. I think we did expect a little bit more speed and everything too, and we didn't have that. But the part I told them was like, look, like my goal is to go out there and lead and I want to race for the win.

And whether we are or aren't, like, I want people to be able to see me if I'm leading, right? Like, just like you guys talk about on the show a bunch, like when it's your first couple starts, like, you want nobody to even talk about you. And that was like my goal, too, was to finish the race with no damage on the car. And that's what I've been saying for the past weeks, no matter where that was, whether that was in the lead or fifth or tenth or 20th. I just wanted to have a good, quiet day and not do anything to get talked about too much. There's a lot of veterans in this sport, and they have my utmost respect. And they always have.

I've been watching them on TV for so long. So the last thing I wanted to do was to show up and, you know, pull my car back can it have damage and all the fenders knocked out of it and it'd be blowing smoke out of it. So, I mean, I think we had a pretty smooth day and didn't make too many enemies. Yeah, and now the one running with Sheldon, I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong, just look to me like you got, just got into that carousel a little hot and chases up into them. Yeah, no, no, that's exactly right. I think we ran into, I don't know what corner that is, but heading into the carousel,

we were like two, three wide. I just got past for the lead, and he ran me super wide. And he pinched me really tight heading into the carousel, and I was already free. and Sam Mayer came up behind me and he was like on my bumper too and he was pushing me and Sheldon was pushing me tight and I was just like locked up on the brakes and I just got super free into him. So that was like my one takeaway from the weekend that I was upset about and obviously I had like no intention doing that to Sheldon. I've been racing Sheldon in dirt for gosh so long now.

So like it was cool to get to race him too. But yeah, I hate it for him and obviously that was not intentional but it was just really super hard racing and he ran me tied, and just felt like a racing deal to me. Yeah, you mentioned dirt racing. That was the first place I saw you was over here at Millbridge. I think you were three and a half, four years old. I will never forget. I will never forget.

He came racing for my dad, and he's two feet tall. He's got a skeleton fire suit on. He's got this big orange helmet, and he looks like a bobblehead walking around in it because he's so tiny. My dad still jokes about that, a little Brent. Talk about that. I know, obviously, is that where you got started racing? Yeah, I was hoping you were going to ask me.

So I grew up like racing go-karts. I'll kind of just go through my story real quick. So I was like a regular kid playing football, soccer, basketball, all those regular sports. And my mom met my stepdad when I think I was like three years old. And he had no background in racing. None of my family did. He liked like fast cars and stuff.

But that was really the only correlation. And I remember finishing a soccer game and being super upset that my teammates like didn't care about winning. And he asked me the next week, he was like, do you want to go play a sport where it's just like you versus everyone else? And, I mean, at the time, I'm four or five years old, and I'm like, sure, like, that sounds great at the time. Like, now I think about it. You would have thought he would have took me to go play tennis or golf or something.

And he took me to the go-kart track. So I remember going to watch a go-kart race at GoPro at the time, now called Track House, and Denny Hamlin started second. And as a super big football fan, I was an Atlanta Falcons fan, Julio Jones fan, number 11. So Denny was just, like, automatically my favorite driver because he was number 11. So I got to watch him. He started on the pole and I thought it was super cool. It was freezing. It was like below freezing when we went and watched that race.

And somehow I enjoyed it being that young kid. And my dad took me to the go-cart track like three weeks later. And in a kid cart around GoPro, I think the average race is like seven laps. And the first time I ever went out there, I went and ran 22. And I did not do that on purpose. I hated it. I wanted to pull off the racetrack, but I didn't know how to pull in. So I've been waving to my dad for like 15 laps.

Like, how do I get out of here? I remember crying in my helmet. It was a very, like, trauma experience. He's just waving back, probably. He was excited. Yeah, that was exactly what happened. He was just waving back thinking I was having a blast. So I parked it in the middle of the racetrack and ran to the truck, was crying, told him I was never doing it again.

It snowed in Denver, like, three months later. And I wanted to take his ATV out and do some donuts. And he said no. And I was like, okay, fine. He was like, you can take the go-car to that we have that I got you to go run some laps in. I was like, sure. So I went and did a bunch of donuts. I had a lot of fun.

And he asked me if I wanted to go drive it when it was warm. And I was like, no. And he said, okay. And then he asked me again, and I just agreed to it. So he went out there. I ran some laps. I knew where to pull off. I had a blast somehow.

And then it just kind of all started from there. And I think the story that I haven't told enough is we actually met coach at the go-car track when I was like seven. So my dad had been taking me out there now two years now. Fast forward from five years old to seven. We'd been going out there three days a week. practicing in the go-kart a bunch. Coach and Koi were taking Ty out there a bunch to get him laps because that's where all the kids went. Connor was there too. And coach just like saw my dad

on the fence and coach just went up there to the fence to watch his kid while me and Thai were out there at the same time. And coach was like, hey, like, I see you guys out here all the time. Like, have you guys ever been to the dirt track? And my dad was like, what dirt track? Because wasn't Ty running at Millbridge at the time too? Ty was running at the time. So that's kind of how it all started. And coach is like, have you guys ever been to the dirt track? My dad's like, what are you talking about? We had no idea. We were so fresh to everything, and we knew nothing about racing.

And coach was like, well, you guys should go watch Milbridge tomorrow. And my dad's like, what is that? And he's like, well, Ties racing there. Like, it's a dirt track. Like, everybody goes there. It's a lot of fun. And my dad was like, sure. So he asked me to go.

And I said, yeah, we went out there and just kind of shadowed everybody, walked around and we're watching. And after I was like, dad, like, this is so much cooler than asphalt racing. Like, it's way more exciting. Like, why don't we just do this? And he's like, okay, well, we can do both. He took me out there. I had a blast. And I remember afterwards, my dad went and walked around the pits and was like, like,

what's the cheapest thing we can buy that is fast? So how do you end up with my dad if he was looking for the cheapest thing he could buy? That much been a year later. Yeah. So he went and found, they all told him to go to Jimmy Ellage, which is Carson's dad. And we went to Jimmy and my dad bought somehow ended up with not the cheapest thing you could buy and bought a really nice piece. And we started racing for Jimmy.

And I raced for Jimmy for years and years out there at Millie. And that was kind of like developed my dirt path. And it all started just because coach asked my dad if we were going to get a Melbourne to watch. Yep. And then we ended up with Carson's dad. So that was like how everything spiraled out of control and where I'm at today. From that point on, I mean, you ran Millbridge forever.

You know, you ran midgets. You were kind of in that dirt world for a while. Then you kind of went to A2 racing. Like the path who decided that path to take? Like I know Matt probably had a big, um, had a big, um, influence on that. But like who's, who kind of sat down and was like, this is kind of, we got to get in everything. because I think you've driven damn near everything I can think of at this point.

Yeah. Yeah, honestly, like, it sounds crazy, but it was all my dad's path, and it was all his plan. Like, I remember him kind of telling me his story, because I've asked him a couple times now, like, I was like, dad, like, when did you notice, like, that I was, like, a little bit better than average? And he was like, well, like, anywhere from 8 to 10. And he was, like, the story that I remember specifically about you, like, being different, like, in the head was you were 10 years old.

There's a 51 lap race at Millbridge called, like, the speed 51 to win race. Kyle Larson had been coming out there once a year for the past like eight years trying to win that race and he couldn't do it. And I finished third and Kyle won and I was so upset. And I was like 10 years old or something.

And I was in the car upset. My dad was like super happy. That was the happiest I've ever seen him was because we ran so good, which is fair. And he was like, what are you so upset about? And I was like, Kyle Larson never comes here and I race here every week. We're out here testing twice a week.

and he comes in here and beats me when he never does it. And my dad was like, dude, what are you talking about? He's the best in the world. Like, he just won an all-star race for a million dollars with Chip Ganassi at Charlotte. Right, like finishing thirds, not too shabby. It's like an honor. At 10 years old. And I was like super upset.

So he like knew I had like some other drive. But like how the path all started like when my dad like kind of saw that happen and he like opened his horizon to realizing that this could be a career even not only at 10 years old was he went and looked at Kyle Larson's path, Christopher Bell's path, kind of everybody that was like really, really good in the Cup series looking at what they did. And he felt like for me, the best case scenario was to just go get in anything I could drive. So like that was his plan all along. Like when people told us, I mean, there's people telling us we were crazy forever for like going out there and racing dirt races on Wednesdays and then going out and running a go cart Thursday. And then going out there and racing a midget on Friday. Like we would just get in everything that we could possibly drive in or my dad could afford or that someone else would pay for. And that's how it all started. You know, he, he remembers, I remember telling my dad that I thought he was crazy. Like I was like, why are we getting in all these cars? And he was like, well, that's what the best did.

So I was like, I just followed his lead. And I'm glad we did it. For sure. Obviously, you're going to be out of the car. You've got two more races you have to miss, right? Is it Vegas and Darlington? Vegas and Darlington, yep. So at 17, I get to go to Phoenix this weekend.

And then we get to run Martinsville. I miss Vegas and Darlington. Gotcha. So what's the goals? Obviously, you know, it's going to be a little bit of an uphill battle trying to get in the playoffs. But, you know, it's very easily, like you see you got there run top five this week or top six this week. But is that the goal? I mean, where's the goals lie for you for the rest of the season? Like, obviously the playoffs is one of them. But what, you know, hopefully for some wins, I'm assuming. Yeah, it's going to sound like a scripted answer. But like, what I've been telling my team, too, is like, guys, like, I just want to give it our 100% every week. Like, I want to prep as hard as I can, learn as much as I can. And I want to just be a sponge to all. this because it's all new to me. I'm like, what I told them is I was like, look, I know we're planning on winning, you know, a couple races or whatever it turns into, but I would love that. But honestly, if we just give it our 100 percent and we end up winning two, five, zero, like, yeah, it's going to suck, but I just want to give it all we got. And that's kind of what they said,

too. And Cota, I thought we needed to get stage points. And our crew chief was like, look, like, we're good enough to be able to go win this race. Like, we're going to go out there. We're going to short pit. We're going to be aggressive. And that's what we're going to do. Ultimately, like now, we didn't end up with as much stage points. But if we went out there and stayed out for stage one, I wouldn't have been able to go through wide for the lead. So it was like kind of a toss up there. But, yeah.

Talk about this weekend in particular. We've harped about SVG on here forever. You know, you got to race around him on the racetrack. How impressive it is to watch him from the seat? First of all, battling him for the lead. Then you got to follow him for a few laps. Yeah, no, it was super cool. I've, you know, I'm a road course background.

I've gotten to see so many. amazing drivers as far as Connor, Kimmy Antonelli, who, you know, took over Lewis Hamilton's seat. So I've gotten to witness, like, incredible talents. And the part I noticed about SVG, too, that is just really, really impressive is he is so fast and he doesn't slip a tire. So, like, you will never see him sideways on a road course, even chasing down Reddick yesterday. Like, I mean, as much as you'll see him slip a tire is him dipping half of his tire on the dirt. Like, that's as much as you'll see. and when he was behind me and I was blocking him aggressively and stuff, he was very, very patient.

And you can be patient, too. Like, when you have that much speed on the field, like, you can run at 80%. So, like, that's the thing that I noticed most about him is he just manages his stuff so well. And he's so experienced and he makes good decisions. And it's inspiring as a young kid to watch somebody that wins that many races that also has that much respect for rookies. Like, you don't really see him, like, going out there, moving people out of the way and stuff. He's just very calculated. Tommy, how much fun is that?

to watch a guy like that from the box where you're looking at all his data and stuff, but just watching him and you know he's just sitting there waiting for a mistake or waiting for the opportunity. Like you could watch him as to go, all right, I just, I almost thought with this yesterday, but, you know, Redick did a great job managing and stuff. We'll talk about that in a second. But a lot of the times you can sit there and just watch SVG going, all right, he can pass this guy pretty much whenever he wants, but he's methodically doing this, waiting for a mistake.

But it's, I mean, it's super impressive. Yeah, I mean, if you watch really closely on all the technical, corners and stuff he was just gliding through him it looked like he was just gliding through him he just wasn't like like brent said it just he's not hurting the car you know and um it was pretty crazy yesterday that um where he was getting beat um you know it was the back half of the track he was getting beat um but yeah i mean like we we we say it all the time we try to ask everybody you know you look at the data you see but why can't you you know copy it and everyone's like we don't know I'm trying.

Yeah, I thought Blaney's answer last week was great. He's like the same reason I can't go run the wall at Homestead like Larson. You know, it's like, he's like, you can watch it. You can see what they're doing, but just some people are better at certain things. And yeah, SVG. But, yeah, Redick yesterday, I mean, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, I know we're going to get into it, but I would have loved to see Connor get spun out there. He passed 100 cars yesterday.

Or more. Yeah, or more. I mean, he came, it was incredible to watch. what he did and how much time he would gain every lap on these people and pass. And it was fun. I'm at turn 12, so I can't see the front stretch. So, like, I'm not, I'm looking at my timing and scoring in front of me, and I'm just kind of watching.

And I see him back there with us at one point because he got turned around early. And then, you know, I'm like, oh, man. And then I looked and I just saw him, like, climbing. You just see him climbing a leaderboard. Like every lap it was, it wasn't a car. He was passing three, four cars a lap, you know. And then it was going to be really interesting. Because I thought he was maybe the best car.

He was, I mean, Reddick was, Redick was really, really good. It would have been interesting to see that. They were the same speed. Yeah. But like if he doesn't get turned around on that restart where he's fourth there, and that would just, I just look like damn chain reaction. Like he's just unfortunate bystander of, look like maybe Danny and the 24 got into it,

and the 24 and the 97 got into it and just kind of everything shuffled that way. But, I mean, it would have been interesting to see if he can come out of that clean and he's in the top three or four there for that last run if he would have been able to mount any more charge. Was there not a road course last year? What road course was it last year where Connor went to the back like twice and drove back up? He likes that at Cota. It was Cota too.

I thought it was Cota in the early years. The truck, the first truck race there he sat on the pole and just he came to visit us in the spotter stand and turn once. Stop paid a toll, went to the back, drove up in there, passed 100 trucks that day. Then yeah, last year he kept, I think he won the expedite race, right? But he did it in the cup race too. Yeah, you went to the back, drove through the field, and then got a wrecked there. He got wrecked by Swares again.

I think it was, I mean, Swares spun and collected him. I think it wasn't like he didn't wreck him last year. But, yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, we talked about how impressive he is. And he'll be there battling those guys at all these road courses, I think. But yesterday was, it was fun to watch for him. I would have liked to have seen him and him in SVG, duke it out, how he not spent out.

Yeah, I think the tough call of the day was the 12 car, not pitting. You know, that was, that would have been interesting because he had a really good car all weekend. He was really fast. practice and just like you're in that position you're like man I'm second I'm not going to get this guy right yeah most of these guys are going to come in right yeah I was I was laughing we I was came downstairs we were going out to dinner on Saturday night and uh briscoe was in the lobby so I was sitting there talking to him for a minute he's like hey I said how's your car he's like uh you know it's okay he's like I don't think I got anything for that damn 12 though and I was like yeah he's like

here let me tell you about my my eight lap span he says I came out I was ahead of him he goes I was at the start finish line I looked he was just getting off a 20. He says he passed me in three laps. He says five laps later. He goes, I was coming off a 20. I couldn't see him on the front stretch anymore. He's like, so I think his stuff's pretty good. The 19 was good in the race,

too. I mean, whatever changed the 45 boys did after the first pitch stop, I was really, I was really impressed with Redick in the first run because I was worried. I felt like our cars as a whole, we fell off pretty

hard, you know, in practice. Towards the end of a run, we were struggling. I think we ran 14 laps in practice maybe, and I could tell like the last three or four bubble was hanging on. So early in that race, I see Reddick start to fade, and I'm like, oh, no, he's working trouble here. And he faded back to like eighth, maybe, something like that. And then he kind of went back forward and drove back to 50.

I was like, okay, maybe he's not as bad as I think. And then it was like the next run, he started, got the lead. And I don't know if he just manages stuff better, clean air. Yeah, I mean, obviously they made something. But he, from that point on, he just managed the race perfectly. Like even I thought for sure when we went green, I felt like, it's hard to judge SVG because we know how good he is. And I just felt like all race.

I'm like, oh, he's just kind of biding this time, not making mistakes. He's going to be in the top four or five. And at the end, he's going to just turn the wick up like he always doesn't go win. And like, that last pit stop cycles out with the top 20 to go, whatever it was. I see him right on Reddick's bumper. And I'm like, here he comes. This is what's going to happen. And then just look like Tyler manages stuff for that first half of the run

and just drove away at the end. but shout out to Tyler first guy in history to win the first three races. I mean, I know we're going to talk more about it in depth about what this means for maybe his playoff standings later. But, I mean, just, I mean, how impressive is it to just come out here and you 70 point lead after three races? Yeah, I mean, to do what he's done, it's pretty incredible. I mean, yesterday, that was hard. I mean, to beat SVG. Yeah.

Right? It's a really hard thing to do. And he's won there before, right? Yeah. Yeah. So obviously he's pretty good there as well. Yeah, and he beat him straight up, too. Like, it wasn't like something happened to SVG.

Like, he, I mean, that was fair and square. Same laps on the tires. I think SBG had one lap better. One less, yeah. One less, uh, so, yeah. Congrats. Yeah. Obviously, we talked about SVG winning the Xfinity race.

Another race would have been interesting to see if Connor, you know, Connor has break issues. Credit to that team, they come in, change or rotor. He drives right back to the top. He's just sitting in the wide chair. It's sitting around. All right. All right, I'll go pass everybody again.

Man, he's just really funny. He was walking out of here when I walked in today. And I was like, man, you want a hug or something? He's like, yeah, I think I could use one. But, yeah. Anything from the truck race? Listen, I thought that was a great race. I know we'll talk about it in spot on, spot off, about it if we should go back there or not.

But rigs really good all day. I thought Majeski was probably one mistake away from winning that race if he doesn't blow that one corner. I mean, I know you're a street course guy. How much fun was that to watch for you? Oh, it was a blast. I didn't get to watch most of it. But, I mean, I have more fun on the streetcourse stuff than I do, you know, the regular stuff.

And I'm big about going to the street courses because even for the guys that aren't road racers, when you go to a street course, it will make you so much better when you, like, go back to Cota or you go back to Watkins Glen. Because the level for air is so low at a street course if you wheel hop a little bit or you get a little loose, on exit. Like, you're going to have to pull in the pits and they're going to have to fix your whole car. So the guys that don't slip a tire and still make a lot of speed like SVG tend to have a lot of success there. For sure. So shout out to Lane for winning that. Before we moved to spot on spot off, I did want to say Lee Pulliam, J.R.M. Martinsville car. I feel like that's going to be pretty cool. I'm excited. I'm mad though. I told Kip, I said, I hope you don't need me at Waite County on the 28th because we're supposed to be racing that day. And I was like, I can't miss it.

Yeah, I mean, Lee is probably one of the most deserving guys in that late models, the world that, I mean, he's earned this, he earned this shot 10 years ago. Yeah. And now for Dale and everybody here to give him an opportunity, he's going to be really good there, especially, you know, for that race. I'm glad to see him back in a car. Is he running all year or? He's going to run a couple of our races.

So he's not running full time. Because he'll have, he's got Carson Brown full time in our series. So he'll run. The part that's so cool to me about Lee, too, is. obviously I'm a super young kid, but when I came and ran the full time year with the car store, I was racing against Lee every week. Lee's obviously a veteran and he was super open like when we were in tech or anything or victory lane or wherever it was.

He would always have a conversation with me and me and Butter being like, me and him got after it a lot. Like we race each other really, really hard back and forth. And Lee would still come up to me after the races or I could go to him in the pits and we would just have a good conversation. So I'm really happy for him. Obviously, I feel like we all think that. He's more than deserving of it.

And he works on his own stuff. He builds incredibly fast race cars. And he's been out of one for a while, and he just went and finished second. Exactly. I think it's a good. He's pretty good. He does all right. I think it's a good testament, too, for like, you know, if, if for there's some people in their careers who, you know, you guys get younger and younger every year, I feel like where you get Xfinity rides and whatnot.

He actually gets older every year. Yeah. The rest of them. I told him to speed me up until I'm 18 and then you can slow down there. But it's just a good testament that, you know, it's never too late and there's never an opportunity missed. One thing I wanted to ask you back is I just looked at Gluck's poll and it's trending like 55% good race. You know, I don't know what else you want from a road course race. We had tire fall off.

You had strategy. You had exciting restarts. You know, everybody, like, I was getting killed last week as I said on here, like, I think we need to keep the stages. And everybody's like, we love the stages. We hate the stage yellows. Well, that's a necessary evil. Like, we need that, you know, like, we have to have these recesses. That's because I feel like that race yesterday proves, like, everybody's bitching about the last stage when we had, you know, Redick dominated basically and really was unchallenged.

If we don't have stage cautions, like that's... Then what would have happened, yeah. It's, you know, so, you know, if you can't tell me that race is boring and then also tell me you don't want stage cautions because that you're contradicting yourself. But I thought that race yesterday, especially the pit side of it, you know, like the driver's side of it, everybody's on it, you know, I mean, it was a fun race to watch for me, and I'm assuming call the racing is fun. Yeah, it was okay. I mean, it's hard to go to a place like Coda after Daytona and Atlanta. Yeah. Right?

And that's the issue, I think. It's a whole different type of racing and what we do and the different strategy that goes on. I wish we probably had one more set of tires just in case another car should come out. Yeah, because beforehand, we were going to be strategy-wise. But if you, I think the fastest, there was a debate about whether or not to pit once or twice in the third stage, right? Like there was, you were going to pit either at the stage breaks or short pit to stage breaks. But like if you would have pit at the stage breaks and then pit one time when you need fuel in the third stage, you only had one set of tires remaining, you know, for the rest of the race.

So, you know, if you were going to two stop it, now you were at a tires where if you got to lay caution, you know, you're out. So yeah, I think one more set. But I also like the idea of limited sets where you got to make hard decisions. But I thought it was, I thought it was a fun race. I mean, again, the 71 boys did an awesome job on strategy. gambling on not coming in and hoping it would go long enough after everybody pitted that they were going to need tires again. Come back, yeah.

Right? And boom, caution comes out. All right. Their first, they're, you know, plus three or four from where they were running after they pit, end up in the top five. So that was a pretty good gamble. Unfortunately, Reddick and SVG were pretty good on the older tires still. I'll tell you who was good at the end of that race was Ty, Gibbs, who was really fast at the

end of that race. He was fast all weekend. Got a lot of stage points. Didn't run into anybody. I don't think. I think who ran it. He, no, Syndrick ran into him in practice, right? I know Doug, we were giving Doug shit about that.

But yeah, Ty did. And the Bubba did a good job. Like, we, it's funny how this sport works. I was miserable after finishing 8th last week. And I am ecstatic about finishing 11th yesterday. So the sport can be. Well, good news. You had other spotters helping you.

That's probably why. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you didn't mess up too much. Yeah, he doesn't have to take the full blade. Yeah. You only did a quarter of the track. did a third of it, so we're, I couldn't mess up. I only fucked it up a third in the way.

Speaking of the cup race, there were a couple of guys who had their cool suits fail at Coda, and Bozzy did a video about this over on DMM Overdrive, and we actually have a clip of it for us to listen and react to. When you start tweaking those things and start making changes to the airflow to the unit or to the voltage, that's when you run into failures. And that's the key to our issues and the failures of these cool suit systems. The teams are modifying the cool suits, whether that's reducing voltage, in order to get just that little bit of power back to the end.

engine or reducing airflow in order to impact the arrow of the car to make the car perform better on track. All of those things impact the units themselves. So what typically happens is you have this unit that's now undersized because teams want it to be small, so it weighs less. That has to run all these electrical components, but it's running it on the bare minimum amount of voltage because teams want to save power and save the alternator. And then on top of that, you get an impact on the cooling because teams will try to modify how the ductwork comes in that goes down to the cool source.

unit so it doesn't get as much air because the less air that you're sending into the car, the more air that's going over the car, which means the faster the car is going down the track. Go check out DMM overdrive to see the whole thing there. Do you run a cool suit? I do. And it's, you know, there's some guys that, like, I know Ricky says he never does. Danny says he doesn't like to. I mean, it's very beneficial now.

When it's working properly. The cool shirt is so nice. And I've ran one. I probably have 40 races now with the cool shirt, knock on wood, but I've never had a failure yet. but we're very conservative about it. Like we look through everything, just like every other team. And I mean, I'm, gosh,

my biggest fear is getting burned up by one. I was racing against a guy in the Trans Am series. Connor's team owner was racing against him and his cool shirt failed and he had like third degree burns down his back. It's scary. What happens is like when it, correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like when it had,

when it reverses. You know, it goes from cooling you to burning you because now though it's, you're basically boiling. You know, you're taking hot water. and just feeding, you know, you're getting fed hot water instead of cold water and you're cooking yourself.

I did see a funny comment from, damn, but I can't remember who said it now, but they said, oh, it was Sage Karam, said that he ran into BJ at one of the driver intros and he's talking about, you know, getting hot in a car and, you know, like you're not like, you know, all these guys are like tiny little guys. And he says, yeah, he's like,

it takes a bigger turkey longer to cook, don't it? So, you know, there's something to, but yeah, I think that, I mean, that's obviously, but I mean, it's risk versus reward, right? I mean, you feel like it's a benefit to you to stay, you know, to be cool and you just hope that it doesn't happen. Yeah, exactly. And honestly, a part that doesn't get touched on either is not just with the failure in it starting to literally roast you like a turkey. But the cool shirt is a lot heavier.

Like, it is a lot more weight on you. So if I were to just run a cool shirt and not hook it up, like I would be way hotter. The shirt's thick. There's a lot of weight on it rather than just, you know, tiny little no mex. So that's a big part of it too. Yeah. Is there a point? Do you always run a cool suit?

Or, I mean, obviously not when it's 30 degrees, but... Like, I'll probably run one 50% of the time. I ran one in every truck start last year, and I think there was, like, three or four races. I just didn't even turn it on. Like, it's all dependent. Like, when it's 85 degrees, like, I mean, you can act as tough as you want, but no matter how good in shape you are,

you're going to be bacon in there. And if you can save yourself a lot of... If you're just saving yourself the heat tolerance part of it, like, you're putting a lot of stress in your body, and everyone knows, like, your brain, your body, it all operates better when you're... you're, I mean, sitting here when you're not on basically on fire. Yeah, my fat ass was cooking in 85 in the grandstand.

Freddy needs a cool shirt with a spotter stand. I've never, I've never, that'll never happen. I got sunburn. I just seen TJ walking by. He had one on. He probably has one. He probably the plug was hanging out. He waved.

He had a plug. Oh, funny thing. This is a question for you, Freddy. But I heard there was something in the spotter stand of like some cool shirt activities or something, not a real cool shirt, but something connected to a. Oh, no, they had them. last year. Yeah, TJ was, TJ found him.

Yeah, TJ found him. And I looked over because we was Nashville and it was like 105 degrees outside and it was miserable, but wasn't that bad. And I look over and TJ had, he's like,

look, check this thing out. And it was like, it was a cool suit. I mean, it was a cord that ran into like a cooler with, you know, circulating cold water. And I'm like,

are you shitting me? The problem is you gonna carry a cooler. You got to carry this cool suit? Like, I'm like, if Fred is carrying a cooler to the spotter stand and it is,

A little of beer, yeah. It's not going to be, I'm just, you know, I'm hoping if we get out of the race, I'll have something to drink there. Freddie, as a driver, and when it's really hot out, obviously, it's miserable in the car sometimes. But I'm curious to you, like, what do you do when it's 105 degrees at Nashville during the summer heat? Like, what does it look like? You sweat a lot. What's your cooler full of? I don't, I don't, stuff on your body.

We've gotten lucky enough to where the racetracks now, we bitched about it on here enough three or four years ago that we, just about every track now has a cool. full of ice and beer. I wish. A cooler full of ice and water on the roof. And then you can bring your own stuff up there and throw it in there. But, I mean, that's really it. Thank God, like places like Phoenix built us shade,

you know, a cover. So it's shaded. It's going to be really nice this week. And, but yeah, there's really nothing you can do except for, you know, keep putting sunblock on and hope, you know, some of the guys, some of the guys wear, you know, those like bee catcher hat looking things.

Like, keep the sun off them. I'm too stupid. but I just put sunblock on and wear a t-shirt. Freddy's pickled enough that those four hours on Sunday get all out to salts and stuff. All the toxins, everything gets out, and then Sunday night he replenishes. You guys go to the sauna.

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Topic will win the 2026 NASCAR Cup Series championship after becoming the first driver in NASCAR history to win the opening three races of the season. I think he's off to a good start, don't you? I would say spot on. I mean, shit. How many? is willing to win the championship or not?

70. 70 from second. Yeah. From second. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's got a pretty good shot. You know, the biggest thing for me and, you know, Brent, I know you've seen this a lot in other, you know, with other teams. But, you know, we end last year.

And the big question was, what's wrong with the 45 team? Do they got to make a change of crew chief? Do they got to, like, what that team's broken? They didn't win a race this year. They don't really make any changes. Isn't that minimal stuff in the shop, I think. Like maybe one of the guys moved on. But it kind of.

come out and you just win three races. And the biggest thing for me is it's not so much they did it on raw speed. It's the execution. All the round team, you know, you look at the damage repaired Atlanta, don't lose a lap, keep themselves in the race. They go out and win. You know, Daytona is all execution now. It's about, you know, feeding information about strategy and how you're going to, you know,

put less fuel in at the end. And then this week, you know, pit, right pitch strategy. They cover the 12 when the 12 pits. Don't let him get a tire advantage on them and jump them. But, you know, so I promise you there's nothing wrong. but these three races, it's got to feel good when you're, all those questions, you come out and execute perfectly and win the first three races. Yeah, and no, I agree with that too.

And Nick, his spotter was my spotter for my nine trucks. Well, he sucks, but I mean, other than that, he's, he's been holding him back. Yeah, but no, like, I talked to him about it too last year because, I mean, you know, Tyler's obviously an incredible talent and I think we all expected him to win a couple last year, too. And I had the talk with him at the end of last year, and I was like, what's the deal? And he was like, look, like, we have speed and our team's great, but we're just not executing. I think you said it perfectly, and I think the offseason honestly just gave them the time they needed and the reset they needed. I mean, I think some teams need it and some teams don't.

When you're rolling hot, you never want there to be an off season. But when you're struggling, it's nice to have a couple weeks off and reset. And I think that's just what they did. Like you said at Atlanta, like, I don't think anyone expected them to lead like that with no right front. Like even Nick said it on the radio when I was listening, like, just so you know, we can't lead. And he went out there and led with four tires and was trying to drive away. Yeah. The point, though, about the points, listen, 70s a big gap, right?

Things are different this year. You know, you look at, you know, with all those extra points for winning a race, you know, I went back and looked at these three races. I think Tyler obviously won all of them. He had a, I think, a 17-point gap on the second highest point score at Daytona, like a 16 or 17-point gap on the second higher score at Atlanta, 13 points yesterday because Ty got all those extra stage points. You go back and look at those last year's races,

the guys that won the race weren't even the highest scoring guys in those races. So this win total, when you're gaining 20 points or 15 points on the guys that's the second highest, you're going to see a lot more flipping. And you're going to see bigger gaps get a race because of that. And I think that just shows you how much more important winning is this year. Well, I think what's going to happen is you're going to get into the year and there's going to be different teams now have to do different things, right? There's going to be the back half of the guys that are trying to make the playoffs going to need to

do that. You're going to need to go get stage points, right, and do all that stuff. And then you got the guys that are like, like, 45 right now, like, they can just go and try to win every week now. Right? And in their mind, it's just like, all right, man, we don't, like, we can go play around and outsmart these people without outsmarting because we're in this position to, right? I mean, it's just like, all right, we're 75 points ahead.

We can do this. We can do this now. We can do this now. Where these other guys are like, well, wow, now to catch him, we're going to have to do this. So now the 45 is on offense, right? And now a lot of guys are on defense now. So it's a whole new game. The difference in, you know, in years past, you got, if you can go out and win both stages, you'd get 20 points, and then you would win the race, and I think you got a three point gap on second place in the race. Now that it's a 15 point gap, it makes it more attractive to go

for the win. You know, you're not giving up 17 points by giving up stage points. You're giving up five if, you know, to the guys. And somebody that wins both stages and you, you can win the race. You've only gave up five points of that guy. But what I'm saying is there's going to be a lot of teams that aren't going to be able to win that race, right, and realize that. So it is going to be, we're going to be getting into the year and it's going to be way different strategies going on. And so it's, you know, we were talking about it yesterday, man. Who's going to go for points? Who's going to do this?

Who's going to do that? And you've seen just a group of cars in the first stage come in and pit early, right? Then the second stage, mostly everybody, but like 70 cars did, right? So it's, I don't know, man. I think it's going to be a pretty fun year with these points. My question for you, Tommy, just because I'm curious as a young driver, too, like obviously you've been points racing your whole life as long as I've been watching. Like 100 years.

My whole life too, actually. But like my question to you with your job role now, like, if you are in the position where the 45 is, like, how much relief do you have with that big of a points lead? I know you talked about how it would change your strategy up a little bit and all that stuff and you just get to go race for the win. But, like, does that give you a lot of relief? Absolutely. It just gives you so much confidence to be able to, you know,

and it gives the whole team confidence, right? And it gives the leader, the team confidence into the leader. So, I mean, that group is going to be rocking and rolling with this momentum for weeks now. I mean, doing things that, I mean, they're, you know, next week they might have a 10th place car, but they're going to force their way into finishing in the top five. You know, why? Because they can. They don't have, they can take a little more chances, right?

So it's going to be fun to watch. And Reddick, you know, he's crazy. Right? I mean, he's right now, he's like, hmm. Yeah. Crazy good with a lot of confidence. He's like, you know, there's some bitch, you know, you see him walking after the race yesterday. I'm like, oh, you got a little more step in your five foot frame, don't you?

I don't blame him. He's, I mean, listen, he's got MJ coming every race. MJ's said yesterday. He's like, I'm going to Phoenix now. You know, so. But, yeah. And the one thing to keep in mind, though, you know, he can go on this. tear, he can dominate, he could have a 200-point lead

when it gets to Daytona, it'll be 25 when that playoff starts, you know? So, you got to go out there and perform, but it almost, not that it doesn't matter, because you want to have that gap getting in there, but that gap's going to shrink once we get to these playoffs, but it's something going to be fun to watch. Despite the risk of damaging race cars, tire packs are

a better way to enforce track limits at Kota rather than putting the call in NASCAR's hands. Tommy, or I mean, Freddie, I know you love to talk about NASCAR calls and consistency, so I'm going to let you take this one. Last year I talked about it on here because we were talking about putting them back and whatnot. And I said, I was worried because, you know, I said, I'd hate to have your day ruined because somebody else forced you into a tire barrier. But I was wrong because I think what it made these guys do was race with more respect.

You know, they didn't force the issue. They didn't, they didn't, the penalty before was, all right, you got a stop and go, which you lose five spots. You know, like it was a, you know, a passion penalty where you lost a shitload of time. It was just quick stop and go. You lose a couple spots. now your penalty was you're probably going to wreck your race car. So they did have, I obviously were a car store racing this weekend, so I didn't get to see a lot of it.

So they did have tire packs this weekend. Last year, did not. Got it. Cool. So, but I thought like Brenton, you can talk to this about how you approached it. Did you, did you sim with and without tire packs, or did you know the packs were going to be there the whole time? So we thought the packs were going to be there the whole time. We simmed with them there and everything.

And, you know, the past couple years, they've been kind of talking about using the tire packs. And then you get there and then all the drivers are like, oh, we don't need the tire packs. packs and the NASCAR, you know, listen to their drivers and they take them out. But, you know, my thought process from a driving aspect, and I've ran them, this is my first year ever running CODA with them. And I think from a driver's standpoint, like when they're there is you just give a lot more. And I think the whole weekend, I mean, I might be wrong, but did anyone ever even hit them? I don't

think so. So like I was racing with Ross there, too wide. Like I was two, three wide heading in there a bunch. And it just seemed like the drivers just knew to give. And that was cool too. I gave a couple times and I took a couple times and just seems like everybody knew like let's not go there go through there too wide and try to run head on into a tire pack where like before like with the s is all wide open I feel like we saw way more wrecks honestly without them there because when I mean when there's that much track like you're like I can't give the spot up and I remember being in that position where you know this year I feel like everybody knew to give and take which is great for our sport and I'm glad the driver yeah I think the only one that got moved was the one in 14 they

had to go reset it one time, which I think somebody just kind of got turned into it. But, you know, to your point, it was, you know, I felt like last year we were cutting it, wrecking each other. We would be off in six, so you're throwing a bunch of dirt on the racetrack into six. Yeah, because last year they put them out there, right? And then they pulled them back after, but Tommy, it's got to clean the racing up, right? And that's what we want. Well, it does be because now with them there, it's not only going to crash the car that you're

racing, you're going to get crashed because you're going to get bounced off and into you. And all the drivers realize that, right? Without the barriers, you can just send a guy and you can keep going. But now it's going to just ricochet off the barry into you. Everybody's going to get wrecked. So, you know, the Brent's point, it's just, it was a lot more give and take. Still passing. Still passing.

Still passing. And honestly, I'm spot on to NASCAR and I got to give them credit for putting them there and trusting in the drivers to not go out there and do anything crazy. Because, I mean, I'm sure the majority of the drivers were like, no, no, no, just take them out because it'll be easier. And it takes, I mean, it takes a lot of stress off of. off us when there's no tire barriers, right? Like, we're not scared to go out there and crash straight into them when we can just cut.

So, I mean, I think it was cool that they just left them there. And, like, what I tell people, too, is, like, we're saying no to tire packs, but we're fine with going to race a street course where there's concrete walls everywhere. Yeah. But we can't have some of the air barriers. Like, you mentioned it earlier. The margin for error is like zero. You can't, you have to be perfect.

You know, you can't make mistakes. And you should, you should have to pay when. you do make a mistake. Agreed. So we're all spot on for tire packs. Put them everywhere. So right now we're spot on. We're spot on for Tyler.

Spot on for tire packs. Are we going to be spot on for this next topic? Well, let's see. Topic number three, Corey Day says he is, quote, unquote, going to get no sympathy after wrecking Connor Zillich and the field should give him none. Are you spot on, spot off on him getting none? I'm spot off on him getting none because I always, you always hear these drawings. drivers say, you know, I'm going to race that guy like he races me.

Unfortunately, the reputation that Corey's building for himself, a lot of people are going to race him based on how he races other people. You know what I mean? I feel like. And, you know, Brian, I want to ask you about this a little bit because, you know, you haven't really raced around him yet, but you're going to. You know, basically going to be full time starting in a month or so. You know, does that play into your mind when you're racing a guy like that?

Do you have to take into fact like, oh, this guy has been wrecking some people? Like, how do you go about racing somebody? I mean, definitely a little bit. But I grew up racing him in the dirt side of things where he's really comfortable in. And like, I was just talking to my family about this too. When we were all rewatching the race yesterday, it's like Corey was like the cleanest guy in dirt because he was comfortable. Like he didn't tear stuff up. Like he didn't do any of that.

And now like not to give him too much like sympathy because obviously he's made a lot of mistakes. But it is his rookie year. He's racing for Hendrick. He's their prodigy that they haven't had in a long time. And all this pressure is being put on him to go out there and perform on asphalt. he's never done before. Like he grew up a dirt kid and like he's only ran too late model races. He got a couple arcer races and a couple T-A-2 races.

Like he has very limited asphalt starts and he's got a lot of pressure to be the next Hendrick guy. So like, yes, he's making a ton of mistakes and as a driver racing against him, it is very frustrating. But also as a rookie, like, and I have a lot more asphalt experience than him, like, I understand how it's happening, right? Like, I don't think he's going out there for the race and is like, let's see how many guys. Everybody's day up. Yeah, like, and I know, I mean, he's really good. He's won a lot of dirt races. I know he's not going out there thinking that, right?

But, like, I'm sure in his head he's just thinking how bad he's got to go run top five or go get a win. And it's tough. So, like, a part of me has a lot of sympathy, but also a part of it is, like, he just has to calm down a little bit. Yeah, I think it just has a lot to do with him being moved up too fast. And I have a similar opinion as you. Like, he is the baddest-ass dirt racer ever. I mean, he's really, not ever. Maybe not ever.

Maybe not ever. I get what you're saying. He's one of the best stash der racers for his age. I understand why they picked him out of that crowd, but I just don't think that he should have done a lot more before being thrown into an Xfinity ride and expected to perform at the level that they're expecting him and to perform at.

I think it's like we talk about all the time. It's more of the system, not Corey. And everybody does that in a part of their life, right? Like, I mean, I did that stuff. We've all gotten in something. We've all gotten in something. We're over our heads.

Right. Like, even Kyle Larson at the late model level. Me, midget racing over my head. Right. We've all been places. Everybody's there at some point. And I think the part why it's so bad for him is like he's doing this in front of a million and a half viewers. Exactly.

Instead of doing it on a Saturday night local show at Hickory where only a couple thousand people see it, now he's doing in front of a million and a half. So like he's in front of a lot bigger crowd with a lot more veterans and all that stuff. Yeah, he doesn't have the time to work out the kinks before being in front of them. This is going to do a long. topic. Tommy, what are you telling this kid if he's driving for you? Slow down to go faster. You know, you're going to, if you have a fresher car at the end, you're going to be even better

than you are at the end. It's just, you know, people say it time and time again with him, right? He's used to these short races, 20 lap races, 30 lap races, 40 lap races, right? And he's just got to just slow down. And look, he's got Jeff Gordon, right, as his mentor, right? Come on, Jeff. Larson. Larson, come on. Come on, guys. Sit him down. and go over these things with them. I mean, you know, and I'm sure they are. Look, I mean, they're not stupid, right?

But he needs to start listening pretty soon else he's not going to make it. My biggest problem, and I agree with Brent, that he's not doing this intentionally. No. He's not, these are mistakes. But my problem with the mistakes are stop getting out and making excuses. You fucked up. We all saw you fuck up.

Just say you fucked up and you're sorry and I'm going to learn from it. I don't believe that. You make a mistake once you need to learn. from it, right? Yeah. If you run into somebody once, you need to start running into people. Yeah. Right? And why keep doing it? I just, like, my point is don't get out and say, oh, my pan was

loose and I lost my turn. No, you misjudge getting in line. That's what happened. Like, you clipped them. What, you didn't do it on purpose? We know you didn't do it on purpose. You screwed up. Just say you screwed up. Instead, you know, you got to, the interview he did after the race was awful. And then, you know, he has a PR statement the next day about how he's going to do better.

That's fine. Do better. I don't want to hear the excuses. Just do better. But, you know, You know, the thing I wanted to add, I got a question for each of you here. This is never going to happen. Should there be some kind of relegation process in NASCAR where if you continue, if you're in the X-Findy series or the truck series or the ARCA series and you continue to go out there and make these mistakes and wreck people and ruin people's days, should NASCAR take away your approval? Should they kick you back and go, all right, you know what?

You've got to go back to truck and prove to me that you can do this without running into people before I let you go back up here. Because it seems to me a no-brainer, but it never happens. Why should you fix the process before it gets to? at that point, so you don't have to go backwards. I'm hoping that NASCAR is also rallying around him and talking to him about things, because in the past, the old leaders would.

Yeah, right? They would have you in that hauler after the race or the morning of the next race, and they would be talking to you about things. And I've been a part of those conversations from time to time. And it helps, right? It helps when people that are above you and have that say are watching. And he needs a little bit more guidance.

I mean, he just needs to just slow down. And I don't know, man. You guys are all friends, right? You guys rally around the kid. Help him. Right? Look, man. Stop being a...

I've listened to you guys together, all of you, right? You guys don't hold back. Get him and get on his ass. Get him in a group chat. You're exactly right. And my take on that, too, is like, I've had two experiences, right? There's two ways to learn. When you, I mean, obviously he has a lot of very important voices in his corners who mean a lot of value that have won a lot of races, a lot of championships. We already know. There's two ways to fix it. Either they talk to him and he's just intimidated and he's like, look, like, I can't do this anymore, whether it's running 10th and slowing myself down and not being as fast every week and just flying under the radar. or there's going to be those veterans that punish him for his mistakes.

And I've learned both ways. Like when I've had, I mean, Bonsus is a well-known name in the late model series. I've made a lot of mistakes and crashed people that I didn't even mean to crash. And he pulled me in the holler and just pointed right in me in the eyes and pretty much just yelled at me. And he was like, look, like this doesn't fly in here. Like you're a young kid, even if you were a veteran, I'd be yelling at you the same way. But this is unacceptable and this is not how you are going to race for us. And like, that is what I needed.

And I was just like, holy smokes. Like, I got to get my act together. But I've also had times where I do silly stuff to veterans, and then they just crash me. And I'm like, well, I mean, I learn now. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'll apologize all I want, but those veterans don't take that. Like, real quick, just to touch on it. But even Martin Zill, I moved Matt Craft in one time, and I was really fast.

I almost won that race last year in the truck race. He went and shipped me for eight laps in a row. Oh, yeah, we went. And I was like four tents faster than him. I barely moved him because I couldn't get by me. And he'd shipped me eight times in a row. and I was like, well, I mean, I learned my lesson not to touch you. I'm sorry.

I think Jesse learned his lesson yesterday. Him and Priests. You see that? Oh, priest was, oh. You talk about, you know, age and veterans. I'll be the one to say it for you, but I want you to comment on it. Like, how much do you think age versus experience should matter when it comes? Because I'm going to beat this approval process thing to death all year long, I think.

It's just keeps something up every week. But how much do you think, Age versus experience should matter when it comes to something like that. I mean, for me, obviously... Because you are right in the middle of it. I am, right? And for me, I'm going to be biased and say that, like, experience is all of it because I, I mean, I'm 17 years old, but, I mean, I feel like I have the experience of a kid a lot older than me. But also at the same time, like, trying to put myself in, you know, older driver's shoes, like, I don't know who to really...

I mean, let's say I'm mayor, right? Like, he's still young, but he's been in the O'Reilly's. series for a long time now with a lot of experience. Like if a young kid comes in there who's 17 years old second race in or even my incident with a creed this week where like I know it's just a racing deal, but obviously he's going to be upset. Like if a young kid came in there and then just started you know crashing me or moving me out of the way, like I would be really upset. Like I've been in this series for a long time. I've made my name. You come in here as your first or second race and you're in there just racing me dirty like you're a veteran and you've been in here like I haven't

earned my, I don't know about spot, but I haven't really earned my, like, right to be able to go out there and do that yet, right? Like, and as a rookie, whether you're Corday or me or, you know, Rajah or any of those things, like, if Kyle Larson came in and there and wreck somebody or move somebody, like, he would obviously get a lot less heat from it because he's like kind of earned his right more to be able to do that and his name's so well known where, like when you're a rookie, like, like you said, like the best thing you can go do is go out there and run your first races and not get talked about. Yeah. The, you know, for me, it's, you know, I'll say it because I don't want you to say it. It's pretty dumb that we, you know, he's not approved. He's already approved for a full season on March 30th.

You know what I mean? Like the, we're racing Darlington on the 21st. He's not, he can't run there because he's not 18 yet. But we're not going to do anything between the 21st and the 30th and now he's like for me, the problem is, you know, you're putting him behind the eight ball this season because he turns 18 a month into the season. Like he should be able to apply his team, him, whoever, go, all right, I got Brent Cruz. He can run the full season this year. He's not going to be 18 until the third mile and a half race. But, you know, can we do this? And it should be common sense to me. Yes, absolutely he can do this.

Because the second he turns 18, he's approved for everything. So, like, to me, you know, I'd rather race next to Brent Cruz. I'd rather race next to Keelan Harvick than some of the guys in their 30s out there racing right now. You know what I mean? because they have more car control. They know more racecraft because they've been doing this for so long. You know, he's been racing since he's three months old. Keelan's been running, you know, everything you can under the sun.

So, like, I have a problem with this system where we're letting seemingly anybody out there, but then these kids who are more than qualified to get out there have to wait and put themselves behind the eight ball and not be able to run, you know, it's going to be hard to run for a much harder run for a championship because his birthday happens to be two months into the season. So I think it's, and again, you're going to. to go, where's the line, when the birthday has, it's got to be a case-by-case basis.

If Brent was turned 18 in Phoenix in November, I would say, yes, don't approve him for the whole season. But it should be common sense when you look and go, all right, we don't need to make this kid miss four races because he turns 18, you know, two months. Yeah, I mean, especially the resume and all the races he did last year to make him ready. I'm going to say he did all the process, Freddie.

Yeah, weird. The process. The process. He went through the ARCA series. He went through some truck races. He did some road racing. He did late model racing. He's allowed to race now, right?

Yeah, that was... Does that make sense? I'm not making... I know, but does that make sense? Yes, perfectly good sense. And I'm not mentioning anybody's names. That's what I keep going back to this process is broken because we have things like this where this kid can't run all year when he's more than

qualified. And then we have people that are nowhere near qualified that have no business being on the racetrack. but they're getting approved because of I don't know what. You know, so it's the process is still broken and we're still like, I don't know how to fix it. But like when you look at scenarios like Brins, there's a, there's a disconnect somewhere that we have to fix. I mean, right.

Careful. Don't. Yeah. No, no. And I, you did, you did it to properly. You did it the right way. Next. Next.

My only thing to touch up on that is like I do also have to give NASCAR credit because they did make a change, right? Like, I am 17 racing in the O'Reilly series, and that is a new rule this year. So, like, they are stepping in the right direction. So also at the same time, yes, we disagree with, like, the process a little bit, but also at the same time, like, they are making steps in the right direction. Yeah, that's just, they need to do better. They get ready for Keelan. He'll be in here at 15.

Good. He should be. Quiet. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Like I said. Not to switch topics, but Keelaninland and Wyatt are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Brexton, too, I think. Brexton, too. Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that. That's going to be fun. Yeah. I told L.W.

not long ago, I'm like, man, just when you get to the car store pitch, you just reel it in. I don't want to have to have to kick him out, and he starts getting mad. Anything like his dad. You might as well get ready for some fights. Yeah. Anything like you, too. He's got not only to earn hard in him, but he's got somebody else in them. If they start fighting in victory lane, I'm stepping out.

I watch LW race for a long time. No, yeah. We called him a lethal weapon for a reason. Carson was rowdy too at the old Melbourne two way. I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyway. Last topic. The truck series should return to St. Pete in 2027 and the other two series should go as well.

Brent, take it away. Spot on, spot off. I'm very biased because I'm a street course racer. But the part I touched on earlier was like whether you like it or don't like it, it's very exciting. There's, you know, as a race fan, like, I hate to say, like, I like watching crashes. but like a lot of the fans like seeing crashes and like seeing cautions and I don't wish that on anybody, but like it's exciting. And the street course races are a lot of fun to watch. And like I said earlier too, was when you go to a street course, whether you're a road course guy or not, like I feel like if you were to go race five street course races and five Coda races, you would walk out of there a better street course racer by running the five road course races. Whether you're a, you know, a road course phenom or not, you're going to learn a lot.

like there's no room for air. You still have to make speed. SVG is going to make a ridiculous amount of speed. You're still going to watch all of his data. And your guys are still going to be telling you how you need to be going as fast as him. And you're not going to be able to drop a wheel off doing it. I mean, that's my take. I think I'm spot on for more street course races all around.

Tommy, how badass was that view? I'm driving down the front stretch runway, whatever you want to call it. You know, ocean skyline in the bay. Like the sunset in the back there, just it's not sunset, but the picturesque setting that they were in there. I can't wait for San Diego. Yeah. I'm excited for San Diego.

Yeah. For sure. Something new, exciting, and San Diego's beautiful, too. Yeah, that's the other reason. Hopefully we don't have fighter planes going in and out of there while we're racing. That's the reason I like street courses is I feel like from a fan perspective, it's just fun and different. Yeah. And this race was a lot of fun.

You know, you had Dario out there, 52 years old around top 10, the whole race. I mean, I don't know. I'm assuming you got nothing. the fence got a flat or something. I saw like 15 to go. I saw him on a pit road with a flatter. It looked like. But I mean, up to that point, he was in the top 10. I saw him start to heel toe too. He said he was going to left foot break. And then I saw the end car like halfway through the race and he was heel towing out there. And he hasn't been in a car in like 10 years. And I didn't get to watch it because we're at the race track. So I went back this morning and

watched the like the 20 minute recap of it, whatever, the extended highlights. And I'll say one of the things that really impressed me was Townsend in the booth. He brought genuine excitement. He was giving a lot of great information to everybody about what was going on. And that's perfect. A plus, yeah, I mean, that was really, really good on his part. Yeah, we talked about track limits. So we talked about Majeski being really strong. I felt like that one missed corner probably cost him to race.

Guy you race with a little bit, Landon Lewis, I thought he had a, he was another one of those guys like top five kind of all day. Just didn't really know he was there for that. Like he never really popped up in the highlights at all. So, I mean, I'm assuming he had a pretty quiet day and just did what he had to do. Yeah, he did exactly what he had to do. He was my teammate in the car store stuff too. And he's definitely like calmed down a little bit too. That was cool to see him go out there on a street course.

He has experience in a legends, but like he's not known to be a road course guy. And to go out there and do that on a street course was too. Ben Mayer was cool to see be that fast in practice. I think another part I kind of wanted to touch up on and just give, just give North Carolina some credit too of the fact that like all these kids that watch like me, Connor and all these kids grow up at trackhouse. They're all moving here to be able to start and develop their careers. It's so cool to see how much trackhouse has developed as a go-cart track since I've been there. Yeah, I was just the track you're talking about. Yeah,

and all these kids are coming here and moving here and dedicating their families and their lives to be able to just go race track house every week against the best. And that's what they're all doing. Like Ben moved here too. He's from Maryland. I grew up racing against him and he moved here to chase his dream. So that's super cool. Another topic I want to a dimension is I think that's so cool for Lane. Like, Lane has, I mean, I remember talking to him last year, and he had no road course experience. He's like, I have no idea what I'm doing. And he went out there and, man, he was fast.

Came from the back, yeah. I got to give him some credit, being an oval guy and going out there on a street course and just honestly just dust him there at the end was pretty cool. The only, there was only one downside to the whole weekend, I thought. And I'm sure it's probably on the list for shit show. I think maybe we got to address some spotter stand issues. They're in the trees. There's spotters in the trees.

Yeah. I thought that was AI. Wait. We have to address something that's very serious on the spotters. I'm sure it's going to be very serious. Brian Priest ruined the spotter world in the cup series yesterday. With his turn 19 guy or? Wadell coming.

Now Wadell, Wadell Communications is now a cup spotter? Yeah, I think he did it last year too. Oh, my God. I didn't even know. Nobody knows who Waddle. The Wadale's the, he's actually like the radio supplier for the short track stuff up north. He's the number one supplier for race and electronics in the country. Yeah.

Right. He is the man. He is the man. But to have him in the cup garage, it's not good. It's not good. I got to spend a lot of time. He came and actually during the truck race, he came and I was like, we went back to the car between qualifying and the race. It's not good.

And he sat there and we hung out for two hours talking. So, yeah, always good to catch up with Wadale. And I'm sure we're going to see him into the next one. He'll be at San Diego. He's looking forward to going to San Diego. Oh, my Lord. Yeah, he's something. Wait, so were we spot on to, like, every topic that we had today?

I think we are. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you guys are going to have to make something off. Yeah, we're going to have to get mad about something. All right, yeah, so it wasn't spot on, spot off today. It was just... Spot on. Spot on everywhere.

Positivity. Positivity on a Monday. All right, it's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. Like I said, I had a pretty calm. one as it seems y'all did as well not to interrupt but I've been a listener for a long time of this show for one I'm very happy to be here but this is my favorite part of the show I was getting ready to warn you this might get a little uncomfortable so be ready I'm ready I'm excited this is my

favorite part for prohibition without government overreach we wouldn't have NASCAR boogie boogie boogie let's go fucking boys I'm assuming he's talking to moonshining and the kind of the birth of our sport. What, baby? All he had to do was cut that damn rat mullet off and he gained 10 plus horsepower over the fucking field this season. Let that be

a testament that the mullet is officially dead. Everybody cut your mullet. Life will get better. Oh, no. You're not, you haven't, I don't think you've reached full bullet status yet. I'm going to go cut mine off right at this point. At this point, I don't know how to break it to him, but I don't know if you

guys noticed this is all. lawsuit speed that that was part of the lawsuit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just letting us win every race now. Yeah, it was in exhibit B. It made him lighter. Maybe that was the difference. Yeah, that's an arrow. It was a good arrow and it took 10,000. Yeah, you guys were trying to figure out what they changed

over the offseason there. That's all was. He got a haircut. Mollett Snyder called in, actually. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'm just getting ready to get into this 48 car. And why is it covered in shit? Dear God. Real talk, is Alex Bowman? Well, is he okay? I don't, I didn't know what happened. I'm assuming it was he, I don't know.

Was his a cool suit failure? Because there were a lot. AJ had a cool suit failure. I didn't hear. So apparently, I don't know. I heard they never even mentioned on a television until he got out. We kind of had heard rumblings through the, you know, spotter stand that he may be getting out. Because I didn't know what.

I thought they broke, you know, because he was running top 10, 15 for most of the race, or actually the first half of the first stage at least. And then I just saw him go kind of straight to the back. And I was like, oh, they must have broke like down a cylinder. I don't know. and then I'm like, oh, he's getting out. And I'm like, oh, so something, I don't know. But I don't know.

I'm like, I was confusing the whole thing. It's like, who's the relief driver for Hendrick? I would have thought it had been Alfredo, but I don't. He's the same guy. Yes. But I don't know if he fits in Alex's. He might have flew out on the plane. Yeah, but mine was the only one there.

Like they just have a cup license? I don't know. Well, clearly the approval process. Yeah. I mean, did they even get approval or did they just throw him there? Yeah. Yeah. How do you just?

Who's ever standing around? Yeah, do you have a couple ice? They should have took Regan right off the broadcast. I was thinking about that, but it's like, how did he get in that car? Did you see? How did he have his fire suit and a helmet? He had all his stuff. I know you saw it.

He texts Bread. Like, Maya texts Brett Perez and was like, hey, what's your breaking point into like six? And bread's giving him answers, like tips. And then he's still posted a picture of Maya getting in the car. He's like, wait a minute. That's why he's asking. I thought that was pretty funny. And he texted him right before he got in, and he was like, I need an answer ASAP.

Brad didn't even ask any questions. He just gave him. I thought it would be Alfredo, too, because he's the relief driver. But, I mean, most of the teams fly on the team plane. And places like that, you've got to leave your guy in case someone. But, I mean, it's... I had to know that something had to be going on because all of his stuff was there. Yeah.

Well, he said he just brings it everywhere because you can't drive if you don't have your stuff. He never know. He's smart. Good on him. And I mean, you know this, Tom. But, like, you know, Bubba's going to have a baby here in the next month. And there's, you know, we're making plans for maybe him probably missing a race if he has to. And there's, and there's, but you got to have like three plans because, you know, like there's, you know, Corey's obviously on the list.

And if like if, if, I think he's the A plan, I would say. I don't. Joy. No, Hime. Oh, yeah. Would be, would be. But that would, like, but that has to happen almost a day in advance, you know, because Corey, can't fit, you know, Corey and Bubba don't line up in the car.

So now, right now we have another guy. So it's like they have three plans. Like we have, if everything goes like and Bubba's going to be gone, we know he's going to be gone, it's going to be Corey probably, I would assume. And you got a day to get ready and prepare the cockpit for Corey. But if it happens where, you know, we're a few hours out from the race and Amanda goes in a labor, Bubba's got to leave or Bubba's already, you know, then, you know, because right now I think she's due around Darlington.

So like if he has to leave Darlington in a hurry, it's going to be somebody else because they can't, you know, so it may be just based on if Alfredo can fit. bit in Bowman's car, you know, the pedals, the steering wheel, whatever. And I really, I didn't really know why they did it because they weren't going to, they were going to lose multiple laps putting a driver in. And there was only going to be, you know, X to gain. But I guess a big wreck or something. But yeah, so I think that was maybe part of the problem of maybe he just simply didn't,

couldn't get an out of this stuff. Well, I guarantee you after yesterday there's going to be some teams that will have way better planning for this situation. Yeah. I mean, we had, you know, a guy there yesterday for kind of every car like that, you know. True. insert, your own seat insert. Truex was there last week because Tyler was not feeling well before the Atlanta race.

So he was there in case, you know, so, and that's somebody that kind of lines up with Tyler's size. So everybody, you kind of got all these guys, like you got to try to line them up. Like, they'll be able to get in there. I'm sure. And I'm going to give credit to Maya, too. I mean, he just, I mean, he hopped in there with obviously no experience and no data. And he doesn't get to race a lot. And he went out there and didn't get talked about.

Like that doesn't get appreciated enough. He didn't get talked about because he was driving by himself the whole time, staying out of trouble. There's a lot of cases where we'll see somebody do something crazy, and obviously these cup cars are on the edge. We see a lot of great drivers will just spin out of the blue because the cup cars are hard to drive, and he went out there and had a calm day. And not to mention, but, I mean, you guys, too, with Bubba, like, you guys are also second in points.

That's not getting talked about enough either. Emerson. Then them guys, you guys, both being one-two is got to be pretty cool, and I'm sure the vibes are pretty high. Vives are high. Vives are high over at the shop. Yeah, that's good. I mean, like I said, I feel like we should have run better in the first two,

and I feel like we probably should have finished worse yesterday, but everything, Bubba did a great job in the second half of that race. So we just, you know, it put us to where we had stage points, and then I think we had eighth or ninth highest points on the day. So that's a win for us, really. I got to say I did go do pit practice at 2311, and your guys' shop is beautiful. It's pretty nice.

It's pretty sweet. It's pretty sweet. We're still in the middle of reaction theater in case anybody's forgotten. Let's go, I'm ready. Damn, well, course, like, still sucks. I was born and shit to watch. Hey, how about Bubba that, I'd have to have a place to finish.

Get a little stage point. Dad, the boy, fat boy, Fredi. Kiss my ass. Oh, yes. Thanks for Bubba. Yes, kiss my ass on the other part. Well, well, well, well, well. All right, all right, all right.

We got a badass on our hands, boys. Don't go to Victor Lane and piss old Carson off. We're just on around like a damn dish, right? Fuck yeah. Do it for Dale, girl. Me or my sister. McCona Hayes calling in talking to you. That's good.

Yes. The funniest part was, so Saturday, I think Alex or somebody sent that clip to us on our group text, and I was out for a little while Saturday. So I'm like, oh yeah, fuck yeah, Carson.

So that I'd make the Muffet picture next morning. And I'm looking at the picture, I go, that's not even Carson. I said, that's Kennedy. We had the exact same hat on all day long,

people thought we were the same person. And so as soon as that happened, I figured, yeah. I didn't know until today, and I've known you guys since I could walk. To leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number at 704-802-9-5-7-2, and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. Well, shit show Hall of Fame, I think that'll roll us right into it. Hey.

Who made this one? Am I making the... I would have a... Am I going to be on the shit show for the first time? I got a feeling you might make the list, Carson. I'm going to be on the shit show for the first time. Technically, Kennedy. Me and Kennedy.

The alleged sisters. And, you know, Tommy, did you... you watch this late model race yeah yeah there you are holding the flag but i haven't seen that angle i'm glad you didn't hit nobody with the flag my favorite is uh Travis here throwing water throwing water from everybody on the other side um which one's so that's cars that one's me yeah yeah yeah you don't want to shove them into you yes exactly yeah i grabbed him out of the car and shoved him to yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she did it in by right she hid behind the guy then she's like you see she went i'd go get it sis did it's did you hear

anything, I don't know if I'm supposed to mention this, but did you hear anything about the spotter stand? So my spotter... I heard that spotter stand air is awful. Okay, but my spotter was spotting for Kaden during that race. And he posted a picture, yeah, yeah, Nacho. He posted a picture of himself in Victory Lane, and I saw he had a cut on his eye and was bleeding. Were they

fighting in the spotter stand? No, so when they were spraying champagne, Kaden and Eric were, I gave Kaden the non-alcoholic bottle, and I gave Eric the other one. And when they were spraying it, Kaden hit Eric in the eye with the top of his champagne bottle, so that's what cut his eyebrow. That's the best PR response I've ever heard from you.

Tough week to celebrate. Did you see this next one? I really did have to get in alcohol champagne. I got in trouble too many times. Speaking of getting hit in the eye in Victory Lane, here's Eli Tomak. Oh, busted his tooth out. Not his tooth out. He's like, son of a bitch. He's like, holy fuck my tooth. I'm like the hockey player. Oh, Jesus. It's like, oh, that's tough. The damn, the worst part is that broke the damn leg right off

the rider. This guy broke a tooth. The rider lost a leg on it. a whole ankle ankle down. Who ever made that trophies in trouble. Oh, man. Evan sent me a clip this morning. Maybe the best hockey club I've ever seen. Guy, you know, looks like over...

Was that overtime, Evan? Like, I just seemed like back and forth. But like one team comes down on a breakaway. They turn the puck over. The other guy. So it was, I forget, was it a Connecticut and UMass maybe? It's a hockey, a college game. They're in UMass.

Connecticut guy, I think it was, streaking down the ice on a breakaway. All the lights in the arena go off. I'm like, that's one way to stop a breakaway. Oh, yes, sir. But So SBG didn't clear the fence I didn't see this one yet

Got to get you get your shit together He's getting old I mean he might You know Losing some strength Might have to Might have to Start thinking about it

I mean He probably hasn't played in a while Oh He knew he missed it right away Out of the side of the foot What a bum Almost That's what ruined his Sunday

That was Saturday Obviously Like he couldn't overcome Not making the grandstands And couldn't win the race And his first and second And weekend What a bum

Yeah, what a bum. Corey Day is going to have to make the list. I mean, again, we beat it to death here. But he just, he, and it, again, just misjudge, I think. And the spotter's in the trees. Any pictures of that? Yeah, oh, yeah. There's a bunch of pictures.

Yeah, look. Yes. Who was it? Everybody. I mean, there was all in there. Look at it. Oh, that's awesome. Could you imagine Freddie's big ass in that fucking tree?

You don't have to imagine because I wouldn't be up there. Just hang out. Like a koala. I'd be on one of the little. of those buildings somewhere like hey let me on the roof for this place. That is awesome. Freddie would find the nearest rooftop bar to spot from. Yeah. Talking about grassroots. There you go.

Yeah. I don't know. I come from pretty big grassroots back. I never spotted from a tree. Were the indie spotters up there yesterday, you think? I highly got it. So the indie guys only use one. I think there's a main grandstand or I mean it's a main spotter stand in turn one. And I think the indie guys only use one guy. But the trucks, I mean, they're a little more competitive. Like, not more competitive,

but they race closer. So they had extra guys there and this is where the extra guys were. There was another. I've seen a stairwell where there are a bunch of them standing on top of a stairwell. So, yeah, we need to address that maybe if we go back there. But I think we go, Carson's got to go, or Carson and Kennedy have to go. Yep. Eli Tomak has to go. Corey Day and the spotters, I think, are the four nominees for this week. And you might have a, Carson. I mean, I think you're probably going to win. Yeah. But it might be a battle. It might be a little bit of a battle of Corey. So we'll see if you can take them down. We were just doing our job, man. We were just doing our job. We weren't even trying to create a job.

The first thing I saw everybody was like, oh, of course, her uncle's car. I'm like, no, no, no, no. She doesn't care about that car. She cares about that victory lane. If they knock that sign over, she's going to fuck somebody. Don't mess with that thing that smokes. What's that thing that smokes?

It's a smoke machine. If you would have broke my fucking happy Gilmore check, I would have freaked out. That's, I run a tight ship in Victory Lane, so that's what I cared about. But yeah, so you can check out the nominees in our YouTube description. And then also you can vote on our poll on DirtyMod Media's X profile. If I win the shit show, I want a trophy. I know that we don't give trophies, but I want one for me. Well, we actually get a couple questions for you now for AskDBC.

Flo just released their 20 under 20 power rankings. First through fifth is quite literally all these kids that we've been sitting here talking about. What are your thoughts on being named to their 20 under 20 rankings? I think it's super cool. You think you should be first to tell Connor kiss your ass? Yeah, it's Connor first, Ryan Tim, second. Keelan Harvick, third, Brent, fourth, Luke Baldwin, 5th. The only part I have to say is I'm a little butt hurt because Keelan's ahead of me.

And I, just to be honest with you, I told my dad that too. Like, I actually, I don't know if anybody knows this, but me and Connor coached Keelan when he was, I don't know how many years ago, like probably four years ago at the go-car track. We were flying to test with him and looking after him, looking at data with him, doing on-track stuff. So Keelan's an incredible talent. I can't say enough good things about him. I'm glad he's at the tow to camp with us.

but definitely hurts my heart a little bit that he's ahead of me after I've been coaching him. That just means you did a really good job. Yeah, you did a good job. Yeah, I guess. So I need to do better on the racings part of it. But no, no, no, it's super cool. And in front of me, I've raced against all those guys. So it's cool to be on that list.

And just, I guess, I need to one more races. Yeah, just keep going. You'll be fun. Who is a driver, current or present? Current or present. Current or present? Wait, why isn't it written like that? It was written like that.

Pass or present. Sorry, my bad. It was written like that on the sheet. I did not. Who's a driver past or present that you try to model your racing style after? Ooh, I've actually never been asked. Model my... I don't know.

Or do you take a little bit from different people and things that you've seen? I mean, no driver's perfect, right? None of us are perfect. We all know that. So I think it's like... Yeah, just ask him. He'll tell you. He'll tell you right to your face.

I mean, he is. I can call him right now and he'll tell you. He is number one. He is number one. He is 32nd in points. He's got 37 points all year. We were just making fun of him in his bus this weekend for being last in points. And he makes fun of himself too, so it's fine.

But, I mean, I think a mixture of, like, Chris Verbell, a mixture of Kyle Arson, Blaney's in there. Harvick was, you know, a big part of, like, my development, too. And I think what, like, people, like, I don't know if they forget to realize, too, but like I've learned more from people that are not drivers than I have drivers, right? Like, um, there's been so many key people in my life. Like, and I'm not just saying this because you're, because you're on the show, but like your dad was such a big impact to me in my career, like developing my dirt path. Like, I can't give enough thanks to like you guys and your family for like what you guys have done for me. Um, and it's cool to just see like how much people care about

our youth. And I was a part of that and I still am. But yeah, Jimmy Ellage was such a big part of my development. My father was a humongous part, even if he wasn't, like, my dad, like I would be saying that. Nick Tucker, who now owns Venerini Motorsports, now its name Nitro, was another huge one. Kevin Harvick, I was a part of him. I race for his late model team, and Kevin, as we all know, like back in the day,

I didn't really get to see it because I wasn't even born yet. But he was a hot head, right? And he made a lot of mistakes. but towards the end of his career, like, I mean, he still got hot at that Bristol race, I think, with Elliot and all that. Like, it was cool to see the young Kevin come out, but, like, he was very mature, like, very respectful and everything. And that's just, like, kind of what I modeled myself around. And from the driving standpoint, it was more like a Christopher Bell and a Kyle Larson because it was more relatable because they were going out there and they would run dirt races during the middle of the week and they'd go win, and then they would get on Sundays and win. So I think it's, like, taking all of the drivers and take their, like, best.

Just be you, man. Their best inputs. Just be you. Just keep being you. You're fine. Keep listening. Keep asking questions. Just be you.

Just don't be anything. Just don't turn out like Tommy. Well, everything will be fine. Yeah, I know. I'm such a bad model. Horrible. Would you guys like to see any more IndyCar NASCAR crossover events? Like, say, Phoenix?

Why don't we do it this week? Yeah. Let's do it at Phoenix. They are. I'll tell you. Oh. That's why I'm asking the question, fuckface. No shit.

She's. You think the fucking, I think I didn't know that we were raised an indie car this week. But you were acting like I didn't know that. No, I was not. I was talking like a cynical that we should do it this week. Okay. I mean, we used to have a lot of fun when we did it in New Hampshire in the beginning.

Yeah. I think that was before you were born. That was before I was born. Yeah, I thought that was great. And like I said, like the fact that you got like Townsend in the booth, I thought was phenomenal for that broadcast. And I don't know what they have planned this week. I know we're going to be, my schedule was awful on Saturday

because of the Indy car race, but I'll get over it. What do you mean awful? Well, we just have six hours to do nothing. We have practice. Sounds like a car store race. We have practice at, I don't know, like 10 o'clock in the morning, and then we don't race until like 5 o'clock. Where are you going to do that night?

Literally, that's every Saturday. Is it not you bishing about, like, did you think the Atlanta schedule was great? Because you had to go there for three days and run two laps? No. But you did too. I was just saying, like, the schedules are, you know, not ideal sometimes. But it doesn't matter. Like, it's going to be fun to sit there and watch that race.

Are you not going to spot? for Indy car? No, I don't think so. Nobody's asked. I think they saw my performance to start the year and they're afraid to ask. So, yeah, no indie car. I mean, it'd be fun. I would like to do the 500 one time before, like, once I'm done, you know, spotting NASCAR

if I'm still here. Did they have spotters in Formula One? No. No, they all kind of just do it from the box. You know, just like the They don't race close enough to. Yeah. No, yeah, the indie I would love to do the 500 one time just to be there. Definitely go, but I'd also love to spot it.

I'd have to probably spot it before I go because I know if I go. Yeah. You'll end up in a snake pit. I'm going to enjoy it a little too much, probably. Oh, the snake pit. That's that for Ask DBC. DBC picks. Tommy, did you, you won, right?

SVG. That was an ace in the hole. I can't believe you used SVG. Of course you use me. You don't win. So you're almost lost. Like if somebody just happened to pick Redick, you would have been real upset. I've been holding SVG since August.

Since last year. I think the funny thing is, like, I think the only reason one of us didn't pick Reddick was because he had won the first two. And you're like, who's ever going to win three in a row? I'm like, yeah, no way. I was thinking that, actually, when I was watching it last time, I'm like, damn. Well, we're all tied. Well, the guests have to get their shit together. They've only been their worst finish of six for the first three races and they don't got to win.

But they're picking better than we are. Yeah, Carson, you're out. Yeah, because I was the worst. I'll take Joey Lagano. Joey Logano. I will take. His teammate, Ryan Blaney. Damn.

Guest. Cruzy Europe. So your list is here. You just can't take Bell, Zane, or Hosovo. So we pick everybody once a year. You had all the guests pick somebody. It's so funny. I went and looked at the list and I prepared to pick Blaney and then you stole him right out of my.

Sorry, buddy. How do you think I felt last week when they went, he went SVG and he said Zillage? And I'm like, great. Whatever. I was like, great. Nobody for me. I'm going to go Denny Hamlin. Danny Hamlin.

What a great pick. I'm going to go Briscoe. Winners, Thomas. Weekend winners. I know we got Carson, go ahead, car sewers. We had Mason Walters in the pro-late model and... Really good race, by the way. Oh, Kenyon, Guapel and...

You were pretty close. I can't believe you didn't remember that one. I feel like you were in victory late. I forgot what was going on. The pro race was good. That was Kevin, right? Was it Kevin or Keelan that he passed? Keelan.

So he... I was watching it on mute, so... But, yeah, it was a good battle at the end of that race. Yeah, and I want to give a shout out. too. I went and talked to him after the race, but I just want to say it out loud. London McKenzie. He is, he joined us. He's running full-time pro and late model stock this year. He runs at Millbridge. Bad ass. It was his first cars tour race. Those are two of the hardest pavement races. I mean, he'll probably run. And he ran third in pros and ran third the whole late model

stock race till he had a tire go down. I mean, it was bad ass. So he's 15. He is driving the pro for Kyle Beattie and I'm not positive on the model stock side. A.K. I think. Yeah. So it was impressive. Kendall Sellers. That is impressive. Yeah. Smart Mods race this week. Yeah, it was a good race. Brandon Ward won and Jack finished second. How about Jack?

Yeah. New sponsor. Stoke shoes. Stepping out in his shoes. Seven and Y was rolling. Yeah. That's good. Luke, not so good. Not so much. I saw. The car looked like he got right. Well, that wasn't the issue. Yeah. I guess the freezeout plug in the back of the head blew out and it started

to race and knocked all the water out and blew the engine. Not ideal. Not good, brand new engine. Not ideal for the start. Do you see any winners this weekend that stood out to you, Brad, before I start this list of guys here? Helio Meza won the, won the T-A-2 race, which is pretty cool. He actually is like a part of our friend group. He was living with Connor for a little bit while he was moving into his new apartment, and he's like literally one of the nicest kids we've ever met, super friendly, and he went out there, and this is his second race in T-A-2 and his second win. He's on fire right now. He did great in the Maza stuff.

So, I mean, I'd be looking out for him, too. Good. Sheldon Houghton. Shield won World of Outlaws. Yeah. A new team. That's the old 18 car, the KCI or whatever it is. Casey P. Was that the car, Selzy?

Yeah, Gio ran that. Mason Massey, won the Arka West race out at Kern. I know he's been out of for a long time, so it's good to see him have some success. Jade got the pole there. Yeah, Jade. She's fun to watch. Yeah. I like watching her race.

I knew she was going to be a problem when there was no fear. She was running one of Chad's cars at Millbridge, and she, like, I don't even know how she was, like 13, 14 years old probably. And she just hopped a wheel or something was kind of flying through the air on the front straightaway. And all I could hear was the throttle pin to the ground. She didn't, she was not lifting. She was going to land and try to drive away out of it. So from that point on, I knew all I needed to know about her.

She's going to get after it every chance he gets. Who else we had? I saw Austin Reeves and Bubba Winslow. win the Baby Bear races at Montgomery this weekend before their big race this week, upcoming weekend. Then all this stuff I saw on Flo this week. John Wyndham won $15,000 in the Sport Compact World Championships, dependent little compact cars. It was a big payday for those guys.

It's got to be 15,000 grand for a compact car race. Nassie won Orbondale, I think. Steve Nassie won Urban Dale. It was a $20,000 win race. Really? I didn't see that one. That's good. Hudson O'Neill.

Hudson. It was great. I loved watching the flow. What is it? Uh, flow sports. Dot link slash door bumper clear for 15% off. You can watch these great races and Carson fight. So it's a double win.

Yeah, Hudson O'Neill was, uh, was really good with the late models. Yeah, I saw him. He won the big part. He won 25 grand on Saturday. And I think he won Friday night also, right? I think he's got seven, eight wins already this year. I mean, he, apparently he likes the old southern soil.

Uh, yeah, but man, we're going to do this every week and try to call out some guys. Maybe you didn't notice. Obviously, a lot of stuff we're going to say, on Flo because we're watching a lot of flow throughout the weekends and it's only going to ramp up now. I was overwhelmed on Saturday. We had the cars, so we had the smart tour. I was watching one other thing and Exfinity on, O'Reilly's on T-Truck. O'Reilly's. Everything. Cars? I had two phones. I had some guy didn't even know. I had him registered in Flo. We were watching something else. Oh, yeah. The, it was five screens in front of him. He doesn't know how to

work a single one of them. A buddy of mine, Will was there. He used to be at 23-11. I think he's a front row now and he sent me a picture of you sitting at the bar next to him with all your shit I said how many F bombs have you heard he's like so far only three I go that's a record low for a modified raise that's a record low the only time I did say is when Luke wrecked there

and I was like Tommy were you proud when you saw that video come across when you saw me and Kennedy I was relieved that now you take over and everyone can stop talking about me and we're going to put your Muppet face we'll hang it on the F and sign

back here. Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, Brent, what did we got? So you got, you're running, you're running this week? Yep, I got Phoenix this weekend. And then you're out for Vegas. I miss Darlington. And then I got Martinsville during my birthday weekend.

I turn 18 March 30th. And then I'm good to go. And you're ripping. Ready to go. Well, we appreciate you taking the time to hang out with us today. I think people are going to be relieved. I've seen some comments. They're like, you've got to tell this kid to open up a little bit in these interviews.

And I know when you're comfortable in here with us, you were going to get more of your personality out there. So we appreciate you stopping by. Tommy, what are we doing this weekend and anything? We got Anderson, the Smart Tour, Anderson, South Carolina, and Phoenix, obviously. Are you running Martinsville? Yes. Am I spotting Martin'sville?

Yes. Okay. Good to know. Carson, what do you got going on this week? Who are you going to fight? I mean, race. No cars tour this weekend. We got everybody all riled up, and now we're taking a month off. So Wyatt's running Southern National Speed Weeks the rest of this week, so I'll probably take a cruise back up there.

What does Wyatt schedule? I know they announced part-time stuff. It's just going to be hit or miss everywhere. So, yeah, he's kind of running like a little bit of everything. He'll do the, he is doing the full champ off-road schedule in the jumpy truck is what we call it. The jumpy truck. Who handles that? He runs for Ryan B. in the off-road stuff.

And then he'll run late models here and there. He'll do Southern National Tri-County, Hickory, just kind of pick and play. And then when he's old enough, he'll be 14 in February. and then this end of the year he'll start running some car store. I can't believe he's 13. When, uh, no modified. Do you think we're going to see it modified in Wyatt's future? I doubt it.

I think you're going to see one in LW's future. Oh, yeah. Is that going to happen? I think it's really cool. I think he's, he possibly could be a teammate to Luke one race this year. They're doing like an all-star car because I see, please.

Hermie's running somewhere. I'm begging. Here he did. Yeah, he's at the hospital. He's getting, He had to go get checked out. He was a little overwhelming for him. But it's cool.

Elliot's going to run it, right? Elliot's running at South Boston. You're going to see some... A buddy of ours might be running as well. Oh, no. Which buddy? From Long Island. Oh, okay.

He might be Dustin Neil Cobbwell. Oh, I think you should. Oh, that buddy. A former guest? Yeah. Okay. All right. That'd be big. Yeah, that'd be fun.

Man, that's like that all-star truck the colleague has. Yeah. Bring everybody out. and that would be really fun. But yeah, so that's cool. So that'll be good for Wyatt to get out there and do a little bit of everything. Yeah, I'm excited for him. This year I'll be the first year.

He's like really going back and forth between a bunch of different stuff. Excellent. Well, we thank you guys for listening again. We will be back next week after Phoenix. I don't know who's going to be here, but it will be somebody fun. Working on some guys for the next couple weeks. It'll be really fun. So hopefully we'll tune in then.

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