Door Bumper Clear - Chicago with Erik Jones: Squashing Beef, Caution Calls & Spotting With A Telescope

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

DBC is back from the streets of Chicago with Cup Series driver Erik Jones to recap all of the action from the Windy City. From angry drivers to outrageous Reaction Theatre calls, this show has it all.In Spot On/Spot Off, they discuss SVG’s move past Zilisch in the Xfinity race, drivers feuding with each other, Bowman & Bubba squashing their beef, and NASCAR’s caution call following Cody Ware’s hard impact in the closing laps.Plus, the fans have messages for Erik, Freddie, and Tommy in Reaction Theatre that you won’t want to miss. The group also predicts Daniel Suarez’s future in #AskDBC, and shares what to expect from Sonoma this weekend.Timestamps20:56 - Spot On/Off52:17 Reaction Theatre1:04:23 #AskDBC1:16:12 Shitshow Hall Of FameFeeling Lucky? Check out DBC’s new merch here: https://shop.dirtymomedia.com/products/getting-lucky-tonightCatch all the grassroots racing action live with FloRacing. Learn more or sign up at flosports.link/dbc1Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with. Let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no firesuit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. I did not for you love them. Hey, what's up, everybody?

Welcome to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson this week. Tommy, how was the war room yesterday? It was good until one to go. One and a half to lap. Well, it wasn't exactly one to go. Yeah, two laps to go, whatever it was. Yeah, well, I'm sure I got a feeling we're going to talk about that a little bit today.

Carson, how are you today? Good. I'm still recovering from the 4th of July, so don't expect much out of me today. What was your weekend? Like, did you... I have been off since Thursday. So I'm brain dead right about now. Well, I'm not going to say it.

Tommy. What? Nothing. What? Nothing. What? What? Does it have something to do with Wednesday?

No. Just brain dead. Oh. Oh, you're going to say, am I always? No. I'm sure. I'm sure you had something kind to say. I was going to be very nice.

Of course it would be. Of course. Anyway, joining us today after stop, he finally stopped ignoring my text messages. I am glad you're here. here because I thought after Friday or whatever day we qualified, I thought maybe you were going to tell me to get fucked again. But Eric Jones, welcome to door bumper clear. How are you, bud? I'm good. I'm good. We've talked about this a lot. Yeah. So I finally made it on. Qualifying, yeah, I thought about it. And I saw you immediately after. Yeah. So it's funny. So

qualifying out for anybody that wasn't really paying attention or watching during qualifying, we go on the track, but above as fast as in practice and we're pretty excited to go qualify. Emerson. Emerson was out there getting after it. And, and Tommy calls Bubba Emerson Fitapaldi on road courses But so we're a faster practice We go out there and I don't know what happened It was out of my section

But coming to 11 To start the fucking finish line Bubba spins out Well then he's trying to get out of the 38th way Ends up almost back in to Eric's way Ruins Eric's lap in the process We all go in, we all cool down Go back out to make our next run

Eric's out there behind us somewhere We spin out back in the fence Instant yellow comes out Which is weird I guess they abandoned that after Saturday. But so the yellow comes out instantly and we ruin Eric's lap again for the third time. We're second time.

So he had to stop. And then I qualified 30. And then he qualified right there when we did backwards twice. So Holly had text me pretty much immediately. And then as I'm leaving, I walk right by Eric and I was just like, sorry, buddy. Like, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, that was, you know, I wasn't going to qualify that well. I was just like, I qualified 20.

At least get a chance, right? I just have a chance. He started 20th. Like I knew I was going to start about 20. And then we, yeah, we started 30 fifth. So that was a good start to the weekend. The best part is you text me after practice, you wrote Emerson. That's all you wrote.

Then you wrote, and I didn't know what happened. Then you wrote, he's back. I'm like, oh, he must have wrecked and qualified. Yeah, we were riding high. But it's been funny because qualifying at road courses, Bubba has been really kind of usually following Tyler around. and it's been helping obviously. I mean, Cota, we were front row.

You know, so it was, and then this time, they're like, all right, here's a plan. We're going to do this. It's kind of the same process, but we're going by ourselves. And I was like, all right, good. You know, because, you know, especially there, like if somebody blows a corner, you're screwed. Weird.

Maybe you should go back to the plan. So then afterwards they were like, yeah, we're going to, this week, we'll probably go back to follow the time. Yeah, that's going to be. Anyway, before we get into all the way to Chicago, a little bit about your season, you guys, I mean, I don't want to say you're struggled beginning of year, but the last, I don't know, two months, you guys have really found a lot of speed, and I saw some stat where, like, compared to the first nine races, you have way more points than

anybody in the last nine. Where's that speed been coming from? Yeah, we, I mean, it would be fair to say we struggled to start. I don't know. I don't think the speeds from, you know, worked on this car long enough. There's no magic bullet. It's not like you find some new part or piece that makes anything better. It's kind of a game of quality control and getting the best car you can from the pieces you got. I think we finally just had enough time to get our cars organized the way we wanted them to to where we could bring the best car we had to the track for certain weeks and the races that we feel like we can run really well, which has been the mile and a half stuff for us this year right now, the road course stuff, short track.

Really, this simplified diffuser has been kind of our Achilles heel for the last couple of years. But, yeah, I don't know that it's any one thing. It's just been a lot of stuff that we finally went from last year and even a little bit earlier this year to where it was like, man, we need to make it to the track. Like, we need to have a car to go to, okay, we have our cars kind of ready and built out. Let's actually work on making them better and build the best car we can. So, yeah, not one thing, but a lot of just good work from a lot of people. Yeah, and how much? A lot of people kind of discount momentum in our sport. They say there's, you know, no such thing as it. But obviously, you see it time to time.

And is it maybe not so much a momentum thing, which is a confidence thing of you know now. I've got what I need here and I can do my job. Yeah, I think it's both. I mean, the confidence is one for sure, and not even the confidence, but just the, the mentality of it, right? You kind of get in that rut of week to week where you're not running well and the cars aren't doing what you want and you're getting to like Wednesday, Thursday, getting ready to go to the track and you're like, oh man, you know, is it going to be another week of fighting the car and we're, you know, is not good in practice and we don't qualify well and you don't qualify well. Then your whole weekend's kind of not going to be great probably from there.

So we got to roll into where we were qualifying good. Our metric was getting better. You know how big the metric is and just being in group two and qualifying farther back. And so all that kind of started getting better and just climbing week to week. And then as a driver, I think you just get settled in that groove of once you're kind of rolling, it's like it gets harder to make a mistake, I feel like, almost, because you're not pushing as hard. You're just taking what you got because your car is good and you're able to run up front. And that's kind of where we've been.

And obviously this week was kind of a mess, but, you know, totally different week. But, yeah, everything up to this point since really probably the 600 has been pretty good for us. Yeah. How much of that is Dave? I mean, big Dave expects results when you get back to the bus. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely been all him. Yeah, he's expecting. I mean, he's expected.

Yeah. We can't, you know, we can't be slouching around here, Dad. We've got to get after that. But honestly, how much has that changed your perception of things going? I know Bubba is basically a new person this year. You talk a lot about a lot of guys talk about the fact, you know, you have kids and it kind of, it almost kind of relaxes you. It takes your focus off of, you know, this is not just my whole life now.

I've got this whole other thing going on. How much has that played into a little bit? Yeah, I think that's been some of it. I think sometimes as a driver and as an athlete in any sport, you probably connect your almost well-being to your performance a lot. So you get to where you're running poor or whatever. And as much as you don't want to drag up, over into your day-to-day world it does because it is your world like that's what you do and that's

how you make a living and that's what you enjoy um so it gives you more of a break and i always felt like i did an okay job of kind of separating my weekdays from my my weekends but honestly with a kid you don't have time to really you know when you're at home watching him it's like that's all you're doing um so you don't really even have time to think about anything else so uh that's been fun i mean it just breaks it up. And even having him, we brought him to a ton of races right this year. He's only missed a few races, mainly the West Coast stuff. And kind of having that break of the track, practice doesn't go well, just coming back and hanging with him. It really makes things a lot easier. Is his sock still traveling with you? No. No, we gave up the sock because Mexico, Mexico went really well in

qualifying, and then the race did not go super well. Then what was next after Mexico? Where did we go? Pocono. And then we had another kind of like good car. Race didn't play out at all how we needed. Sock was in the car. That was the end of the sock. The sock was left for tear down. It was only good luck in practice and qualifying. So we don't need that. It doesn't pay well. I mean, now talking about your race this week, obviously, not the results you'd hope for. But I thought like you guys were, you kind of put yourselves in position to have a decent day. You were right there in the stage with us. And then obviously kind of went off the world a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it was going to be okay.

For, you know, road course, we just wanted to get through there with some points. And honestly, for me, at top 15, I would have been happy. And I think we were totally capable of that. I think the 11, where did the 11 finish? Like, seven? Second or third? Fourth? Oh, he finished.

Yeah, fourth. Yeah, so, like, we were outrunning him majority of the day. And then I ran right into the wall and had to put a toe link on it and lost a lap. And then we rode around, just stuck a lap down. So, yeah, it was, it's frustrated. For me, it's more frustrating. like if the team screws up or like a loose wheel and that kind of thing. Like that's frustrating.

But when you make a mistake, you know, as a driver that takes you out, I feel like that's way more frustrating for me. So yeah, knock that one down. But first real big mistake in a while. So I'll give myself some grace. I mean, talk about just how technical that place is because you can't make a mistake. You know, it's, and it's all the drivers this week talked about less grip than they've ever had there before. It seemed like we broke a record.

in practice. 14 laps was the most we've ever run there consecutively in the dry. So it was kind of an unknown all weekend. But just how on time, you know, spot on do you have to be every corner there really? Yeah. Yeah, it was slick. And I didn't really know why. But then I realized after they said it was like track temp was 20 degrees hotter than what we'd

ever had there. So super warm. But yeah, it's super technical. I think between obviously what you've got to do just to get around it. But the more you push it and the closer you can get to the wall, you know, in the corner and on exit. and the more track you can use, the faster you're going to go. So you're constantly just pushing that limit and trying to get closer and closer to everything.

And eventually, you know, you're going to make that mistake or you hope you don't. But, you know, I was kind of guarding the 48 was behind me. So I was kind of watching him. And there's some zones where the spotters can't really see. So I was kind of paying attention in those spots and, you know, just lost focus on it and clip the wall. But, yeah, we saw it a ton. I mean, obviously a lot of guys made that mistake. can unfortunately we did too

Thomas I know Cody was having a good run man he was right in the mix all day and we'll talk about the last lab a little layer but he was doing a good job yeah he ran good that was his first time there so he had a lot of catching up to do and it was amazing watching from the first lap of practice

to probably about lap right after the first stage you've seen a little bit different driving style he fixed a lot of a lot of different things that he had going on and yeah Billy did a really good job calling the race, got him in a good spot with those 20 laps to go. Really after the second stage, I put him in a good spot.

And, yeah, sitting there running, I think we were running 14th when we had our issues there. I don't know, it was coming to one to go. Yeah, coming to the white. Coming to the white. And unfortunately, he was playing a little more defense because we had older tires than most. But a lot of those guys that already put tires on already came, went by him. So I thought we were pretty set on no worse than the top 15. which would have been two of them in a row.

So, yeah, he gained a lot of a... You know, he had a good week. Raced the pro-late model. I don't know if I would call that part good. Well, listen, yeah, it's a little bit of a shit show. But he's run up front. When's he had the ability to run up front and learn? Never.

That was his first time. He ran close to the front yesterday. So, like I said, it's a big learning curve for him. I mean, he's just getting in good cars, against guys that have been in these cars for a very long time. So I told him last night, I'm pissed off the most by not finishing in the lead lap again and continue our string of like six weeks in a row of leading lap. And, you know, obviously it wasn't his fault.

I mean, the right front rotor blew apart in pieces and that's what caused the problem. But, yeah, I mean, overall, I think it was a great learning week for him. And we're going to move on and keep digging. I mean, that's all the thing we can do. And he's okay? He's a little sore. I bet. He's hurting.

They said he was, what, 93 on the telemetry mile. It was, they told us this morning, it was probably the worst head-on hit for this in this car. I believe it. And that video from the fans' point of view from that straightaway, it was unbelievable. Yeah, and thank goodness NASCAR making all the changes. I think the only one that was recorded harder was Ross's before. before they made the change. Yeah.

It was harder even than Ryan's hit it. I think a Daytona are close to it. My race was not great. So we'll just go. We'll get to that later. I got a feeling we're going to talk about that a little while. But SVG, weird, just goes out there and kind of kicks everybody's ass again. Who saw that coming?

I mean, I mean, it's, Eric, how hard is it to explain to people how good this guy is? I mean, yeah. I mean, it's frustrating as a driver because, as, we feel like we're all pretty good, and he's able to kind of make us look a little bit dumb, you know, qualifying out there. It's like he's almost playing around, right? He runs one hard lap, and then somebody went faster. I don't even remember who it was.

Yeah, I can't remember. And so he ran one slow lap and then went another, like, second faster. I just got around. He's just messing. I swear he's screwing around. I don't think he's even... It's funny to watch, especially in the Xfinity car sometimes, but I felt like it was even the beginning of cup race yesterday, like when McDonald's,

was leading. I looked at McJosh were standing next me who spots for him. And I'm like, we were talking about it. It looks to me like McDowell is running 105% and the SVG is like running around with one arm on the wheel. Just waiting. Just let him use his stuff up. Hopeney hits the wall. It's, uh, yeah, it's impressive.

And it's interesting because, you know, obviously there's been other supercar guys that have come over. And there was a, uh, it was Will Brown running the call of car, right? Yeah. And I never saw him all weekend. I never even raced around him or saw him up in the top of the list. And so it's not like every guy is doing it that comes over. He's obviously just, apparently this car is perfect for him. Yeah.

I don't know what else is. Both cars? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Exfinity car and the cup car. It's just, it's crazy. It is. I mean, it is really, really impressive.

I mean, obviously swept the weekend, just really, I mean, he, the only time he got challenged, he lost a little track position on Saturday and had to battle back. And I'm sure we'll talk about the end of that race a little bit with Connor. But, I mean, it's just. just, Tommy, I know you're in the war room watching, like, I mean, you try to lay his data over somebody else's in. It's just, it's not fair, really. The most frustrating part is you can't see it. You can look at the data all you want, but you can't see exactly what, I mean, you can see everything that he's doing, but how he's applying it, but you can't go, that's why he's going faster.

That's what, I mean, the break modulation, the steering input when it's happening, you can try to follow all that stuff, but it's... I mean, I'm sure you're studying, right? Eric, you look at it, right? Yeah. Then you probably put the computer gown down. Okay, I'm going to try... Yeah, you know, I watch it, obviously, on there,

and then I see it on video, and it's like, I don't understand even watching last night. I just, I always watch the highlights when I get home. And seeing how he's kind of setting up and making the moves he makes, like with the 19 at the end, I'm like, I don't even understand how he's getting these runs. Like, how is he building these runs on these guys and making these peckes? passes. It's really impressive and just, honestly, just a really good car feel. I don't think he, I'd have to imagine he's not thinking much about what he's doing. He's just driving. And it's impressive to watch. It's something else. We have to deal with it for another week.

Yeah, you know, one coming out. I hope this son bitch wins every road course for the rest of the regular season. I promise you. And I think Sonoma is the hardest one for him, right? Because it's a little bit different of a road course. So I think it's going to be closer. It's a much more even field there. But look, ever since they've fixed whatever issue he's had even on the ovals,

it's made the road course carb even better. Yeah, because he didn't dominate at Cota. You know what I mean? And I felt like that. And even at Watkins Glen, like some of these places where we haven't been going for 100 years, you know, I feel like when you get to Watkins Glen, you get to Sonoma, the guys that are, you know,

I mean, he's going to be good. He's going to be top five for sure. you know, he's going to be right in the mix for the win. But it's, I feel like the scale gets evened out a little bit when we go to places we've been going for a long time. Strategy Tommy. I know you're probably, yesterday seemed like that was a big deal, really. I mean, that's what it wasn't like we were able to start 50th and get back up in there, you know, right away, get some stage points in the second stage. You kind of do the same thing. You know, it was a lot of different, you know, one stop, two stops, flipping stages, not flipping stages, going for points.

There's a lot of different stuff going on yesterday. Yeah, I mean. I think that's why you saw, you seen all the frustration towards the end with that pack of car is just going at it. I thought that was, everyone's mad at each other, but I thought that was incredible racing because you had the comers and go, is you had the guys that had, you know, laps on the tires versus the guys that put, you know, tires on later and, you know, basically came through the pack. Like, you know, it was a perfect storm because it was that one, two cautious in a row. I think the one caution for the ambulance.

Yeah. That probably bunched it up a little bit. And, you know, I honestly didn't see anything. Even with, I know we're going to talk about, the 48 and the 23, I just thought that was hard racing. I didn't think, I don't know, the one car, the one car got shuffled on his own. He got aggravated.

I mean, yes he did. Listen, how aggravated are you about that part of the race, that time of the race, fighting for a position, hot. Like one guy messes with you. it's on, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you've been going at it. It was weird.

It wasn't really hot yesterday, but it was super humid, right? So we were, that's almost worse. I'd rather just be 100 in no humidity because you're just sweating like crazy in the car and losing all your fluids. So yeah, you're over it by that point. Yeah. And honestly, you know, in that pack too, you're not having exactly probably the day you're wanting, like you're wanting to be farther up and you're not wanting to screw around with all this kind of racing and you're just wanting to finish it out.

And so, yeah, one guy does one thing. in here. Yeah, I mean, it was seven cars going for the same spot, right, with old tires, new tires, guys pushing each other. I mean, I don't know what else anyone else is going to expect. Yeah. And I don't think there was a clear cut. I mean, obviously, SVG can kind of overcome different strategies. I thought it was, I thought for sure he was going to one-stop, but I thought he was just going to run to 37, take the stage, take the playoff point because he's already in the playoffs at the first stage, pit at 37 and, you know, go on. But he kind of flipped both stages and kind of, I think, felt like probably kept the freshest tires on his car that he could, you know,

And obviously, I think he was probably going to be the class of the field either way. But it was just interesting to see some guys could hold on on older tires. Some guys struggled. Guy ran over. It was just a, I thought it was a fun race to watch. Yeah, it was the safest thing for them to do because of how good they were. If they stretched all that stuff and had old tires and you had somebody like the 45, put tires on and get one caution. If one caution comes out and he has that a little bit difference of the tires, he gets beat because of that.

Yeah. So, again, I know the 71 had issues, throttle issues, but, man, if you're that good or you're thinking you're close, you got to, you got to kind of do what he's doing. Up until the end of the race at some point, you can't start that early of getting yourself behind. And, I mean, look, in SVG's head, as soon as that happened, he's like, he's gone. Like, I don't have to worry about him anymore. And I even said the same thing.

There's no way he's going to be able to come up that far back without having some type of damage. Yeah, you're going to run into someone. Someone's going to run into you. Yeah. Hey, it's Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to shop.dirtymo Media.com. We've got plenty of options, and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop.

Dot dirtymomedia.com. All right, we're ready for some spot-on, spot off? Let's do it. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think.

Send it. Why me? All right. SBG's move on Zillish for the Win on Saturday wasn't clean. Spot on, spot off. I was going to say Tommy, but he's having a sip of the tea. Yeah, same me. Say me.

Tommy. So if you watch... Say me, say me. Say me. Say me. So if you watch the green flag drop for that restart, again, it's the end of the race. You're hot.

you're sweaty. All right. Connor's got old tires. SVG's got newer tires, right? You watch Connor run into SVG a little bit when they took the green coming on. Okay, SVG's going to snap. I mean, a little bit. I mean, you're like, he's going.

And he was hot. SVG was overheated on Saturday. So, you know, Connor run into him a little bit. And it's like, all right, so I'm, you know, let's do his accent, you know. All right, mate, you know. You're going for. That was your accent with the word mate. That was not his accent.

All right. But anyway, it was on from there. As soon as Con, I seen it. It's like, oh, boy, he's going to get ruffled up, and that's what happened. That's how it started. I don't care what you. And I don't think he did it. I mean, I don't think he did anything wrong.

I mean, he moved him off his line a little bit into one, but it wasn't like he ran him over or anything like that. I just thought he, you know, that was his shot. You know, I mean, he probably would have got him eventually, but if you got a shot right there, you might as well take it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't see anything wrong with it, really. It looked like hard racing, and I was missing bits and pieces of it. I was doing some other stuff, but I was kind of watching, and it looked like, I mean, Conner

was close enough to get back to him, right? He was trying at the very end. I couldn't tell if he was like close enough or not, but it's like, you know, he, I think he was, he got close in seven and then SBG gapped him pretty good through the plaza. And then he, I think, because I was, my thing was like, I heard Connor say something, like, I'll remember that or whatever the quote was I saw. And it's like, I mean, maybe you haven't remembered how you've raised on people this year. Like, you've been pretty rough yourself.

So I don't think you have, you kind of forfeit your ability to bitch about somebody moving you out of the way. But I, I can't. wait for him to have getting this cup car and be able to do i mean he was coming at coda yeah oh for sure he was fast i'm telling you he was going to finish top two or three he had it that good of a car um but he's going to give SVG a run for his money he's that good and he's if he had the same amount of laps on his tires as SVG it would have been a little bit different but obviously they had a whole different thought process from starting in the back what they what they had to do i mean i don't know by 14th lap he was already he's getting stage point you got stage points in the first stage yeah so i mean

obviously you know he knows what he's doing and i mean i don't think he's finished that at a top two or three in the last month has he no no no it once he kind of learns to harness it a little bit i saw him in mexico after the cup race i'm like man you destroy your car every road course like just You're like a half second faster than the field. Even in practice, he was like a... How much faster? Then he wrecks. Yeah, so once he kind of...

And I mean, he's what, 18, 19, right? He's super young. So I think we all go through that and a lot of guys that... I tell people all the time, they try... It's hard to explain, like, how good the cup guys are and how hard it is. And I tell them, well, look, you look at any guy that's in cup and his one race is or at least runs well in Cup. At some point in their career, they were the best.

at some point, late models, trucks, they were dominating. Like they were the guy, right? And he's doing that, or very close to it in an Xfinity. If he could just rein it in like 5%, he would be pretty unstoppable. All those kids are sponges though, man. I mean, obviously I'm lucky enough to get to hang out with us.

I don't know if I would call it lucky. I was there for one of them. Yeah, well, I mean. St. Connor and, you got Connor and Jesse and, you know, Luke and all these kids. I mean, they're like sponges. they ask a lot of questions, man. I mean, they're always thinking these kids. And, you know, I just, I'm excited for him to move into Cup because it's going to be

a great storyline. I mean, I, I'm not going to compare to a Jeff Gordon, because that's a whole different era and different type of situation. But I think he's going to have that type of presence. I really do. I mean, you've raced against them a little bit. You haven't had much experience racing around them. But if you think about the things he's already done in Xfinity,

I mean, not many people can come in and do that. Well, you should be excited then because you're going to have kind of the Jeff Gordon and you got Dale Earnhardt driving the 77. So it's going to be a big era. Who? Well, you know, Dale Earnhardt. The next Dale Earnhardt is in the 77. I don't know if you've heard.

Whoever said that. Who said that? Can we start my fired up segment early today? Come on, man. Who has the thought process of even thinking that? Are you agreeing, Freddy? Are you agreeing with him? I just see that little

gas on the fire there. You know, I just love to just. I just built my, my blood pressure is a little higher to 1.10. Oh, shit. We've crossed over 130. Vain's popping out of his neck.

All right. Well, let's move right along. We get to talk more about your favorite person. Don't you got to, don't read that quote exactly now. Why? You know what to say. You can't say it.

Oh, oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Austin Dillon says the 77. is the biggest dumbass in the entire sport after he and the 77 got caught up in an eight car pile up. Tommy, I will say this.

You hit your bet pretty early. You hit the over. What did you set the over at three and a half last week? I mean, that was an eight-car wreck. You said it over. I said over, yeah, yeah. You set the line. Yeah, I mean, the line was pretty easy, I thought.

Go ahead, Freddie. I forgot about that. Damn it. Maybe we should let Tommy go. Did Fandu have a line? I don't think Fandu followed your lead. Oh, come on, Fandul. Last week.

Tom, he's like, over under Carr's host of our wrecks next week, three and a half. I was like, I think you've got to take the over. Chicago, I would have taken the over for sure. Where do we go next? Sonoma. Sonoma, it might be another one. Eleven can get a little tricky. Go ahead, Tom.

I can't believe I'm going to say this. But, I mean, you hit the wall, right? Yeah. On your own, right? I mean, he didn't do it. It's not like he did it on purpose, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's lap, whatever.

What was that? It was pretty early. Yeah, three. Yeah, I mean, a little early to be pushing that hard, but it's like, you can't really be mad at him for that one. It's not like he went in there and took someone out. Like, he just wrecked and it's narrow and he caught a bunch of people up. So I think that quote is maybe a little, a little aggressive.

For this scenario. Maybe not in general, but scenario. I mean, again, I think his past history is catching up to that quote. but you probably get to race with Carson a little more than most because you guys come kind of from the same area a lot of the Michigan I know Berlin you guys race against you the couple weeks like what is your impression of racing against him on the racetrack have you guys had any problems or I've never really had a run in I guess with with Carson I've known him forever we were he was running actually for the same guy I was driving for in late models like 15 and 16 he was just a little

kid he was whatever 13 years old and then you know he was just you know he was just just trying to figure it out, like he wasn't really doing anything. There were some, uh, things that happened a few years later that were kind of questionable that he was doing in late models. And I'm like, you know, that's, that's probably not the right way to do it. Um, obviously currently he's getting a lot of heat. I'd honestly, like, if I'm him, I'd just be getting tired of hearing about it. Like, um, we're tired of talking about it. So just clean it up. Like, I would be, I don't know. He doesn't have anybody to tell him. Yeah. Because everybody's like, oh, you're doing good. Don't listen to anybody. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's,

yeah it just well i i think it's different so like 2000 whatever 10 9 was my first year i drove a stock car first thing my dad told me and he my dad wasn't a racer you know anything about racing other than what he watched on tv and he's like look this year i don't care what you do but like we're here to earn these guys respect like you're 13 years old these are grown men they're probably skipping lunch at work because they're trying to buy a set of tires this weekend like do not like do not wreck these guys. Like, do not screw it up. And I'm like, oh, okay. He's like, we win a race, win race, but I'd rather run third and not cause any drama. All right, cool. And it was kind of like that the first few years until, you know, a few years in, then we're like, all right,

like, we can't get pushed around. Like, we're going to race. But the style of racing was a bit different than as well. So I don't know, it's kind of hard to say. Obviously, he does some things that aren't ideal. You know, you hit it right on the hit, area. It is a fine line because I, I, I, I, we did that with Luke last year, right? We just ran as clean as we possibly could, right? And I noticed a little shift change this year on how everybody started treating them on the track, right? It was a little bit rough, right? They were doing little things because they had that thought process in that he was not going to do anything or he's going to move over.

So we, we've seen a quick shift. So we've changed our thought process a little bit. Like, look, if someone mess with you, they're going to get it back from this point on. I don't care. If we wreck, I don't care. We are not going to take it anymore. We showed our respect. You showed everybody that you know had the race.

But now we want it in return, right? We don't want that respect taking advantage of. Carson just don't, 77 guy just don't know any better, right? He just doesn't process it, man. And again, I'm going to just, I wish that he had somebody, maybe it, maybe it, maybe it he does. Maybe he just doesn't listen. But I mean, obviously, this one, I don't, I say we just blame Phil. Let's play. Yeah. It's always the best catching up with Phil after the weekend. I love it when, yeah, something terrible. Essentially when something happens, I'm like, hey, Phil,

you want to stop a big house and have a beer? And he's like, ah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, Phil. But yeah, that was, I mean, again, I get it. I get it. Like, yeah. I don't know. I get it. Like with Austin's upset because it ruined his day too. But I mean, obviously Carson didn't drive his stuff through the wall on purpose, I don't think. That was over the radio as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's probably in the moment because his car's wrecked.

And the problem was like it's a tough spot. If you guys, I'm sure if people saw pictures, people pose a picture for that. Symphony Hall. The wreck happened directly behind a fucking tree. Like so you couldn't see anything. Like I know, like our guy was lucky. We were far enough back in the packs. The whole wreck had pretty much happened.

And our guy called him through there pretty well. but yeah I mean that was a deal where it's just and then like Austin's probably gonna be okay but then once everybody piled into him

that was the end of that yeah it would have been way funnier if he said that on TV yeah save the dumbasses for TVAG yeah

Austin Dylan was not the only one mad either uh Lagano and Ross Chastain uh Lugano said he admitted it he admitted he wrecked me

which means he should get fined if he wrecked me on purpose did he actually admit it I don't know like I didn't see this anywhere but I mean if he did that's stupid hilarious that this

these are the two in this conversation. Which the video is funny because this wreck started with Sindrick, but he was three rows behind everybody, so nobody really probably knew to blame him at the time. Austin just, it looked like Austin and Ricky kind of bounced off each other off of 12, and Austin got his left side in the fence. And then I think he was just trying to out drive Ricky into one, but fucking bulldozed through like three rows of cars. So then it ended up being the 22 and the one kind of bounced off each other off of one.

And I think the one, to Tommy's point, just saw a row. red and fucking just way laid them into two and right down half the field. And I was like, oh, man. But, I mean, that's just, Ross just kind of snapped a little bit there. But, you know, is that, how hard is that? But if you look, if you look, all eight of those guys were snapping. I mean, they were all snapping. I mean, it was a hornet's nest right there.

I mean, they were driving the shit at it. They were holding on. I mean, two, three wide into corners that weren't supposed to be two, three wide. It was hard, good racing. It just, it happens. I mean, sometimes at that situation, it takes one nudge and you're like, I'm over. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened to SBG with Connor on a restart.

That's what happened with the one in the 22. That's what happened with Bubba and 48. It's just. And sometimes you don't have a, like you're in position. I mean, it was, I think it was you. And C Bell, a couple weeks ago where Bell's just kind of coming down on you. And it's like, I've got, sorry, I can't stop here. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, sometimes it's just situational, right? Like, you're, they're going to start chopping you, and maybe you can lift, but you're like, I'm not going to lift. There's whatever five laps to go. Like, you're just going to get wrecked. So, yeah, I don't, I've, where did he say that on the radio or like? Joey said that, I think, after the race, right, Andrew?

Yeah, it was to the media. I don't know what, did we have a quote from Ross saying that he did it on purpose? Because that would be really dumb on his part. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. I don't think Ross would, Ross don't speak much in this situation. I don't know if he said it on. the radio maybe or something, I don't know.

But if he did admit it, that's dumb. It might have been in that conversation with the two of them. Oh. Oh, they got in each other's grills after the race. Yeah, they did talk about it. But I got it from Dalton Hopkins who caught up with him after race. I just think it was hard racing. I have a different look at that type of, I mean, when you're in a horninessness like

that, what is going through your mind? You're going, yeah, baby. I mean, like, like with two to go, I mean, they're like, fuck you, fuck you. Oh, yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. I mean, just, that's what everybody's doing, right? Yeah, you're just going as hard as you can.

You're trying to get every position you can at that point. You're not going to win, right? So you're like, all right, I'm going to get the best finish I can, and whoever's in the way or is in the way, right? So, yeah. I don't think anybody should be mad at anybody. No, it's just, just right now that's road course racing. Yeah, with this car.

Especially, yeah, late restarts for sure. All right. Bowman says, I thought we're, oh, my God. God. God forbid you don't read the question with her. Yeah, I'm surprised you even knew what fucking page we were on. You know what? We should be proud of this moment.

Honestly. This is a learning moment for Tom. This is growth. This is growth. All right. Bowman says, oh my God. If I try to read this one more fucking time. Are we done?

What's got you fired up? You. Bowman says I thought we had squashed. our beef, but clearly we have not after contact with Bubba results in the 23 turned around. Freddie? What?

There was a wreck. It was out of my section. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I was sure it wasn't your fault? Yeah, I don't think it was my phone. It was the whole lap. We couldn't see much out there so it was pretty much out of my section.

You saw what, three-eighths of a mile on the track? I told Bob I said, you're doing a great job in my section. It was just a frustrating way. But, yeah, this was, you know, so we were the ones on old tires Tommy's talking about old tires, new tires coming we were the one on old tires

we were hanging on Redick got there got underneath us through 7 kind of opened the door Alex followed him through we kind of door slammed through 7 Bubba turned in early kind of ran him in the fence in 11 got Alex got by we kind of moved him in 12

then ran him in the wall off of 12 but Alex moved us back into 1 and then we got almost got clear. I think Bubba thought he was clear. Obviously, there's no spotter over there. I was trying to help out the best I could off the television, but it wasn't, you can't really spot off the TV because there's a couple second delay. I think Bubba just thought he was clear and moved up. Alex did not right hook us. I saw some people talking about that.

Bubba just kind of clear himself on Alex and got himself turned around back there. Frustrating for sure. I think it was just, I know we talked about the bracket challenge stuff because we were racing each other. I mean, I'm sure that played a little bit of a factor in it, but there's more to it than that. You know, Alex ruined our day there last year. They got into it after the race. You saw that. you know we were going to have a top 10 run ladder last year and Alex kind of dump up off a two same spot actually um and then uh so i knew it was once i saw how we race him in the eight i was like oh this is probably going to get a little ugly um and it's like you said time it's just hard racing i don't think anybody had really any ill will i think and you end up you know we race the hell out of him and we came out looking like idiots at the end of the day because we got ourselves we ruined our own day you know by getting ourselves turned around there and costing ourselves a bunch of points and you know it's just it was a lot on the there you are racing for the bracket challenge which whatever it's it is a million dollars at the end of the day but that's also the guy we're racing for the last playoff spot or one of the last playoff spots he's the next guy in front of us in points so you're going to race him hard and they've got history so he's probably

racing a little harder than he has you know other guys in the past but uh i thought it was kind of a losing battle and i thought it was a bad time to pick that strategy because we were going to be beat you know Alex had 26 lap better tires than we did and we were hanging on there's some other guys coming with him so ideally you probably want to just take your lumps and finish in the top 15 and move on and have a bitter, like we are the cut line right now, but we went from 29 up to, you know, we were running six or seventh at the time, finished 28th. We went from plus 29 to plus three or four now. So all we did was really hurt our own day there.

But it was just, it was just, I don't think it was anything malicious really on either one of their parts. Bubba was just trying to make his life difficult. And Alex is just doing everything kind of get by us. And I don't think anybody really did anything wrong. It was just we end up coming out of the short end. Hard racing. Yeah.

Tom Bush would call that a car fun. Yeah, car fight. Yeah, exactly. You got to start one. You got to be the one that's finishing. Yeah. Well, that's what I told Bubba. It's like, you know, next time, if you just want to do that, like, we weren't going to hold them off. So in 12, if we're going to be dicks, like, we're just going to have to be this. See you later. I said, all these years running the summer shootout, I thought you'd be better at this.

Or just let him go and finish one spot behind. Yeah. Well, that's just way too easy. Yeah, I mean, no. Well, that's the problem. We were not going to finish one spot behind. We were going to fade pretty hard. And I think that it was just... Fattling, man. Yeah, it was just trying to make his life difficult and ended up putting ourselves in a bad spot.

But it was not ideal, and I'm sure we'll just wreck him the next time or something. Jesus. Don't admit that, don't it? We just had a conversation. All right. Well, I did text Hamlet, our friend Hamlet. I wish I would have had him under today.

Oh, that would have been great. He said something. I forget what he said. Does he made of you? He called Bubba MF her. And I was like, Kevin, that's not. nice. I was like, we don't have to, I text him Alex. I was like, now I'm going to start calling Alex

names because you got my guy names. Like, I don't, this is not going to go down a good path. I said, I don't appreciate this. We're going to have to add him on our emotional chat. Yeah, we might have to get him. We have an emotional group text chat that we have. Emotional support. It's me, Tommy, Slugger, and Doug. Wow. It's, I don't know who

the support is. I was going to say. Who's supporting who? Depends on what day it is. Who needs to love him? Oh, man. That's sweet. Yeah. All right, moving on. NASCAR waits to throw the caution for Cody Ware with SVG coming to the white on Sunday. Spot on, spot off.

Tommy. I don't, look, I mean, everybody who has run into those tire barriers, they have given a little grace period to see if they can pull out in the past. I mean, they all have, I think they've seen the same things we all see on TV. He was in it, right? They didn't realize exactly what happened. It was a little bit different situation. when I spoke with them this morning about the process of the NASCAR's thinking, number one, even if they threw to caution, right,

they have to wait for all the other cars to go by to send the emergency crew. I think there was probably five, six seconds difference of what they could have did based off what they did. They did send the truck still with cars going by them, I think it was in the middle of five and six. There was the tow truck, and the doctor was next, and he left from four. So that's when the doctor left at four. So they got to him just, the doctor got to him as soon as he got out of the car.

It was a hard hit. Like I said earlier, I mean, they were at the shop this morning inspecting the car and looking it all over and seeing what was done. But that car was junk. Just blew a right front brake rotor. where the tires were, when he hit the, blew it, he hit the wall and rode the wall, and he sheared the tires away from, and the impact was into the barriers. So, again, no, you didn't see it, right?

But to NASCAR's credit, again, now if they could see it before, they were through the caution, like, immediately if they knew that was going on. So they're going to, yeah, no, they said it. They're going to implement some different things of some, you know, different ways to look at some things now. some safety issues of where the tire barriers are, how they are. Again, it's, we've always, we have no choice but to react after a situation because we don't know what a situation is going to be, right?

I mean, in a lot of situations, especially with safety, you never realize the things that happen. And all the changes that we have done are because of issues, right? I mean, the biggest was Dale passing away. That's when the safety, like, ramped up. I mean, then people get hurt and you got all these people involved and we're all learning about safety and all doing these things. So I think something like that happened yesterday. They're going to be making some changes on some street courses, looking at some things a little bit differently.

But, yeah, I think it was a learning experience, but I don't think nothing was done intentionally. I think they were waiting for, I mean, I think the five car last year hit the same spot. And he was just as deep as Cody was, and he backed out and went. So I think they waited for that and just getting late. Rain was maybe coming and let's get the race over with and let's send the trucks and make sure he's safe. I don't really think after talking with them, going over with them, watching the footage again after the race, I don't think there was nothing done on purpose. I don't. Listen, I know you don't.

That's not what you do. I mean, no. I don't think so. I mean, now, like you said, maybe they can do stuff differently, but they need to because it's completely unacceptable that that caution didn't come out within 30 seconds of him hitting the wall as hard as he did. You know, they, I know, Andrew, you have some comments from Ford? Yeah, Mike, I talked to Mike Ford after the race

just because I wanted to make sure that we understood what their perspective was while we were talking about it on the show. And he said, you know, our race director saw the car and the tire packs, obviously seeing the in-car after the fact the hit was a big one. But when we see the car in the tire packs, there's no way to know the severity of the hit. As we do often on road courses, we wait to see if the car can pull out and drive off

like the five car did in the same area last year. Always hope for a green flag finish. Once the window net came out and the driver climbed out, we needed to throw the caution. So my problem is you need to know how hard the car hits the wall. Like you should have, they have a camera in every corner. You know, I know you can't watch every camera at the same time, but they have a camera in every corner.

You also have guys working in every corner. If those corner workers are not capable of saying, we need to throw the fucking yellow. This guy just hit the wall around 100 miles an hour. We need to reevaluate. And maybe that's what you're talking about. Maybe that's what they're going to have to do to put better people in these positions. Because I think a lot of them were damn city workers. The one guy almost got his fucking arm taken off because he was already waving a blue flag because there was debris in six that they didn't want to throw the yellow flag.

He was waving the flag every lap. I swear to you. I think he was just doing it to you. Well, there was. Oh, maybe. Every time I can. What's your? Like, dude.

There was, but they came on the radio and said that we have a local yellow. The blue flag is kind of a local yellow. There's a blue flag in turn six for debris. And I think somebody maybe said it was, uh, tired carcass off the 19 was somewhere out there. That might have been it. But that's why that guy is waving. Maybe he was doing it every lap. But from my understanding, that's why he was waving the flag already before Cody ever hit the wall.

Like, but these people, if, if they need to be able to ones like, hey, you need to throw the yellow right fucking now. Yeah, but for the listeners, Freddie, when something happens on an oval or anywhere, what do those track spotters say? To turn two. The quickest thing. They have to say it the quickest easy. When there's an issue, turn two, tower. Yeah.

What else? They can't say anything else because they have to allow the tower to speak. So you can't say, hey, we got a big, big, big. Well, you can say it on the other channel. They have a channel that's not, you know, that's... I know, but again, that's all instantaneous. Yeah, but that has... That fucking has to be a caution.

The guy... I'm not saying it shouldn't be. And again, if they would... They basically said if they seen it, the whole thing happened, they would have thrown it right away. They didn't realize the severity of the wreck. It was very clear, I felt like, yesterday that we were worried about weather. We were trying to get the race in.

The 21 car was out there, stopped for... Two laps. two laps, you know, there was debris. There was a handful of times the yellow did. And it was, and that's the biggest thing for me is I, you know, I think it was, there is, you can watch, it was the craziest thing to watch the clouds come through. I don't know if they showed it on TV at all, but the cloud you probably see in the car. Like the cloud coming through the skyscrapers, I mean, it was, it seemed to me, like,

it was very obvious that we were racing, like we were not going to throw a yellow there because rain was coming. And listen, it was raining by the time I got back to the hauler. You know, it was, but from the walk from the spotter stand on the front stretch of the hauler, it was raining at that point. And if that happened, you know, it was going to be a bit of a shit show. We were going to probably add, God knows how much time to the race, because we were going to have to stop, come in, put the wets on.

And now you're talking about green white checkers with wet tires and God knows how many those we would have had. So I kind of, I mean, I don't, I mean, I've always said a caution is a caution should be, no matter what. But for me, it just felt like it was just an opportunity like, all right, we're going to wait here a second. And then the, I don't know, it's just, it drove me crazy because it's a caution. It has to. All day, though, they did the same thing. They did it with the 47, right?

The 47, they waited a long time. Yeah, but the 47 didn't hit the fucking wall nowhere near as hard as anybody else. But they didn't know. That's my point. The 21, they wait. It's not like they, again, I'm not sticking up for them. I'm just saying. I don't know.

It sounds like you're sticking up for them. It's just the process that they had in their mind for that day was they were going to wait as long as they possibly could for some reason that day they were going to go, we're going to definitely, we're not going to stretch this race out, right? I mean, obviously they knew weather's coming. The weather was coming and almost hitting us and going north probably three or four times. I mean, it should have rained. We had it raining at 2.30, and all of a sudden it shifted north from the war room.

So, you know, we were in constant contact with the pit box letting them know about the weather what was going on. But I don't know. I just think they were like street course. We've seen this happen before. Here's the past. This is what we're going to do. And maybe they just stuck to the plan. I don't know.

Maybe they're today. They're talking about their plan has to change now, you know, for the next street course we have to. But it's like, you know, you're in all these meetings and you're thinking about all these things. And they're like, you know, how are we going to make the racing better? What are we going to do? You know, they have to think about all these things. Safety's number one. That's, yeah.

They always think about safety. But maybe they went a little longer than normal yesterday on the whole race, not just. Cody. I felt the 21. Man, he was a sitting duck for a while, right? Yeah, we were, we, we had just spun out after our deal in five with, or 11 with Kyle. And so we were weighing the back. And I was like, this 21's not going to make it back. You want to pit? And they're like, yeah, pit. So we pit.

And then we came off pit road. And we waited long enough for the whole field to come back around and a bunch of them guys pit. And then we were still digging. And I'm like, this guy's still sitting over there. I'd be careful when you get over to seven or wherever he was at. And it just felt like it was two laps. He was just, out there and I was like wow but yeah I listen like at the end of the day that was the first time we've run the whole distance at the race you know every other one's

been shortened by time limit or whatever I know that I'm sure that played into it I'm sure the fact that we don't want to have 40 green white checkers on wet tires is playing into it but it's just at the end of the day I don't want to hear excuses I want them to come out and just say you know Cody we're sorry we will do better next time because that needed to be a caution

as hard as that kid hit the wall and especially you hear the radio he's asking for help as soon as he hits the wall you know it's that needed to be an instant yellow or as instant as it could and it felt like 34 or 35 seconds whatever it was

was way too long and Eric I don't want you to bash NASCAR on here at all because that's how you get to the hauler no I agree I think they

I think they would have to say they probably missed it looking back I think they just didn't didn't see it didn't know how hardy hit I think if they did know they would have thrown

it right away yeah there'll be changes there'll be quicker a lot of quick cautions I believe in the future did you wreck the 21 yesterday?

Is that possible? Was it caused you? There was some... I've seen some tweets about that. I meant to ask you about that. Yeah, there was probably some people angry, probably along with Josh. Yeah, I kind of made a later move into seven.

And, yeah, you can... You host of Arden? A little bit. I feel pretty bad about that one. Yeah, it was on me. Sorry. Just say, you know, just so sorry. Move on the next one.

Racing, yeah, it happens. I'm not sure that's how he sees it, but... I mean... It happens. Especially that place. Yeah. You're not going to say sorry? He said sorry.

I'm going to make sure. I don't. I'm assuming you'll talk. I'm sure you haven't yet. I was going to give him a minute to maybe. That's what I always think. I always think it's better off. Like, just give it like three or four days.

Then I'll talk to him. I had one guy get really mad at me for waiting a couple days. Really? That's interesting. I don't know if I really want to say who it was. I was, uh, Svarez, actually. I wrecked him in an Xfinity race. complete by a mistake was trying to get up behind him real quick.

You know, we were all, this is when we were really running the top there and clipped him, wrecked him. And it was Saturday night. I called him like Monday or Tuesday. Man, he was mad. Amigo, why you wait so long? He was mad that I waited a couple days. I'm like, man, I just wanted to give you a minute to like, you know, calm down.

And I was like, I just waited a couple days with everybody. Like, I didn't just push you off. And he wasn't. He wasn't happy about that. That wasn't the move. Long time. I was almost taken. I'm sure he got over.

I probably didn't even remember until right now. Carson. What? I know you're fired. Something this week has you fired up. Come on. I was trying to think. You know, I don't.

No, listen, I've got text to prove that you were fired up. Oh. Our pro late model race on Wednesday. Tommy, so we got obviously a DVC group text. By way of Tommy, I was fired up because he wouldn't shut up. Last week. One text. I said 12 o'clock's coming.

And that's what got you fired. That shit was over. at 11 o'clock. Thank you very much. Tommy on the podcast last week said the pro-lamele all race wasn't going to start until midnight. And his car did the best they could

to probably make it that way because that 51 was, you know, the pro race took forever. And the funny, for me, the funniest thing watching at home on Flo, by the way, if you don't have a Flow subscription, sign up at, what is it? It is.

Oh, my God. Flow SportsS dot link. SportsSg. But the race ended. I told Meg, said watch how mad Carson is when she comes out of Victory Lane and she saw her like storm off there to hand the kid the flag and then go back and set her all her shit up and I was like she's angry I was just well I was fucking sick of it I was ready for it to be over and I like I roll all my stuff

over there like my bag with all my hats and like the barrel everything I roll all my stuff like close to the start finish line with there's like five to go so I'm like standing there waiting and then we have a caution and then another caution and then another caution and then another caution and I'm like, I'm just, let's get this shit over with. And then we saw it a whole other race after that. And it was, what, 10 o'clock? So, yeah, that was not a fun day to be me. And there was people hollering at me about calls

and your people were hollering at me about calls. Your people. Your people. I was in the grandstands watching. It's probably a good thing. I didn't have a radio on. Because if you would have got to me, you and I could have had it out. But I wasn't going to yell at Mr. Rickware.

But, yeah, no, I was. Where was this? race that. Caraway. Oh, another fun thing about Caraway is that the caution lights weren't working. They were only working like 30% of the time. Scoreboard wasn't hit by lightning. Yeah, yeah, we just, we were just turning the green light on and off.

We were just turning the green light on and off. That was it. There was no yellow lights. If we were under yellow, you just didn't see a green light and that was that. We had a lady Saturday night we race with the smart tour there. They had a lap counter on one of the old scoreboards with a lady. clicking the lap by hand.

Yeah, it was electronic, but she was at click. So the caution would come out. Is there scoring working? Like... Yeah, scoring. We all have scoring, you know, on race monitor. We're going off race monitor, but she would hit, okay, lap 30, but the car should come out. So really would be lap 29. Right. So she'd

wait. They have a weight of lap. And then it would be 31. Yeah. We could use a few minor upgrades there, but So you got over that and then went to just getting a blue-rayed all weekend, like just enjoyed the rest of your weekend. Yeah, of course. You had to drink about it.

Drink it away. Drink it away. Yeah, no, I would be fine if we never did that ever again. So that would be good. Yeah, you know, you had rain. You had weather coming at all the time. I will say with as much as it rain, I'm surprised that we, like, we still went green on time. So that was.

Great job. Great job. There's one good pause. for the day. Great job getting done by midnight, so you can talk, Kip even text us and talk shit to Tommy, so I'm glad we got everybody over there

fired at a little bit. I missed all that. I was drunk in the pool. Was it funny? You got to be careful. I'm surprised. I hope he had a float on or something. Did he call in?

Did he call in? I don't think so. Did he do reaction theater? If he did, we didn't call. I doubt it. Well, let's see. It's time for reaction theater. All right.

I'm ready, though. Let's see if old Kip called in. Reaction theater time, where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. How many calls did we get, Andrew? We got a lot. 7,000 from all the bubble Wallace fans. Yes, there were a lot of angry people at you, Freddie.

That's okay. I used to call into serious XM sometimes. Did you like I just, I remember you did this. Somebody had it one time. I used to call on it. Poor Freddy. Act like somebody else. What would you say?

I don't know. It's random, the most random things I could think about to complain about. Just that made no sense. See what they would come up. Just see if he can get Moody's blood pressure a little bit higher. Hang up on me. This first call is from a Ty Dillon fan. Hell yeah, buddy.

Ty Dillon's making it to the next round. Gonna go suck some toes. What is that? I'm confused. Is Ty going to suck some toes? Is that guy going to suck some toes? Ty's toes? That guy's going to suck Tys toes.

Who's he going? He's going to. You think he's messing around? I feel like that is not a real Ty Dillon fan. You don't think that that guy has just been a diehard GS2 fan forever? I think he's...

I think he's playing a game. He was just trying to get his... Just trying to get his name on the air. Yeah, I think he's just trying to get on the air. I think so. Well, that's kind of all of our... Congrats to Ty. All of our fans.

Goes against Bowman. Watch out. Yeah, I think maybe... I said to Bowman last night. Maybe that's why Bubba was racing the shit out of you because he knew Ty was advancing thing on the other side of the bracket. Like, everybody said that so far, but guess we still win it.

I hope he wins a million dollars. Well, I hope Eric wins. Well, you got your teammate. Oh, boy. I got John Hunter this week. Rick that hell out of them. Let's destroy him. Let's destroy him.

Yeah. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. Damn, Freddie. You cleared Bubbo Wallace right into the wall. Maybe you need some better binoculars. maybe a telescope so you can see. I would have needed a pretty impressive telescope

to see over the trees and the walls and the shit that was in between me and turn two. How come no one uses a telescope on this? They got more shit up there now than they've ever had, so maybe I'll be the first one with a telescope. You know who I feel like would use one? Mark Doll. Did you know I was going to say that?

Mark Doll. He probably needs one. Yeah. I bet you're going to be glad. to get back to what's the next oval over? I've never been so happy to go to Delaware in my life. Oh my Lord.

I got my wife convinced that any time Eric Jones gets a top 20 finish I get a little boom boom going on. All right. Wife's been going pretty good. This week she told me

hey, you're at a road course. Let's do a top 24. What the fuck, Eric? Help me out on these damn road courses, man. Shit. Was this just you calling it? You ruined this guy's day.

Yeah. Top 24. Oh, he's not all the week. He's a day. He's mega. No, he's not. He's not. Why would they say,

10 fucking 25th? Our fans don't lie. I mean, these people are the guy goes all week now. All week he goes to you. You better get your shit together at Sonoma. You think he's sticking with 24? Yeah. So I'll go down and I'll let Will know if you're like 25th.

Hey, baby. You better fucking move this. I'm sorry, buddy. We'll see what we can do at Sonoma. Top 24. No, yeah, maybe. I think this next fan has a few of our DBC

inside jokes mixed up. Oh, oh. Another Sunday, another Kyle Bush wreck, another my dick in my toaster. Fuck. That was like all three of them.

Wow. Wow. So, the The toaster thing is a blainty thing. The Cobbush fans called in and said they can't get late until he wins. Speaking of getting lucky tonight. Oh, great plug, Carson. You can go buy that at shop.

Dot dirtymoor media.com. For those of you that can't see it. For some reason, Evan refuses to cut to it right now. Dirty Mo people have a t-shirt in war going out. No, we have nothing. But they're trying to sell against each other in there. So the ones hanging behind me and he won't show a lot to me. I designed that shirt.

Oh, I see. I'm like, what are you guys looking at? I even see it back there. It's a pretty awesome shirt. Is that a fat joke? You couldn't fucking see it? We make them in all sizes. I mean, Eric's over here talking about you can't see it because it's behind me, fucking asshole.

Anyways. Don't stick a dick in a toaster. No dicks and toasters, please. That guy's confused. That's going to hurt. I can imagine. We have to just preface that. Yeah, I mean, it's like some of them safety labels that don't make any sense.

Like the coffee's hot and stuff like that. You had no. No No appendages in the toaster. Tommy, I need you to go out there and teach that tow truck driver that hooked up host of our car How'd a fuck to hook up a tow truck?

Please and thank you. Did you see this? I thought it was you driving the tow truck when it dropped it. I don't even know what happened. The thing just snapped with the strap. Yeah, just starting to stutter, you know, I don't think they had it high enough

and it just yank, yanked and just blew the strap apart. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, that was not ideal for the tow truck drivers. Tommy would have been screaming at them. They get a hard, they get a rough crap, man. All right, this last calls for Eric.

Uh-oh. I just want to put it on the record in front of the world and God that if Eric Jones wins the end-season tournament and wins $1 million, I will streak, butt-naked, down the front stretch of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and climb the catch fence. I think that's, is this B-lines? Tony Stewart's game.

I don't know. Has to be. So please, Eric, don't win. No, we need to. Don't, yeah, I don't really want to see that. But, yeah, I don't know. You'll be thinking about this. When you win, I'm going to remind you.

I'm going to have to be like, hey, shout out to that guy in Indianapolis, climbing the fence. Man, that'd be dangerous. Climbing a fence. The wrong. I'm not sure how he's going to get down. Guess we'll see.

You guys got some good. Calls. Hey, buddy, we got some interesting stuff going on over here. You got a lot of happening. This is the shit you used to call in the series with. We have We might have to change up a little bit. We're getting a little We got, next week will be a different

set of ears listening to the calls, I think. We're firing out. We're firing Andrew again. We're killing me. We're shipping Andrew to a better place. He's got a screening these. Bring an Alex back. So who knows. The next week it'll just be back to Carson calls. What happened?

Oh, no. Yeah, do you really want that? No, we're not doing that again. I don't understand. There's probably viable options out there that are just wanting to talk. I mean, we could help you out here. That's enough. Did you hear what the fuck we just listened to?

You think those are viable people in options? I mean, you never know. Might be a nice guy. Could be. That's a weird shit going on. He's just, he's really excited about Eric potentially winning a million dollars. You know, he's going to celebrate. I think you do, though.

I think if you guys put it all together, you're due for a win, man. Yeah, I think we could. I was just in a look and see who we're... So, yeah, I guess we could go up against... Dylan. Well, Ty Jones. It sounds like he's going all the way from that call. Fucking Dragon Slayer.

But, yeah, looking at what's left, it's kind of crazy, right? Like, there's a real mixed bag of people. So, honestly, where it ends at Indy, if we can get through Sonoma, well, Dover, we've got to get through that, too. But Indy's a good, I think it'll be a good race for us. So that'd be cool. Just get to the finals. All right.

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You can sit in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. Scott would like to know where you all think Suarez will end up next year. I don't know. You know, it's obviously he's out. I think obvious that Connor's going in. And, you know, as far as the change goes, I think it's just, you know, I think he had an opportunity to, and I don't think a lot of it's doing.

He's had a fucking lot of bad luck this year, kind of getting caught up in other people's stuff like he did yesterday. He got caught up in that wreck with Hosevar. But, you know, you look at he's 28th or 29th, something like that in points right now. And we talked about it. Tommy, you know, you know this. I mean, you know it better than anybody right now. values of charters.

You know, you've got to have a guy in the playoffs. And if you think that Connor gives you a better option, which I think we just talked about, he's going to be in contention to win road course races next year for sure while he gets better on ovals. And I'm not putting it out of the question that he can win an oval too. But, you know, this is the change you got to make because I think Connor gives you a better chance to get into playoffs than Daniel does right now. And it's just kind of a musical chair situation, Eric, where you got too many drivers

and not enough seats. I know, I mean, you don't have to be, you don't want to speak for Daniel, but I know you kind of went through this in your own, you know, deal with Gibbs a few years ago. What's this like where you just kind of been somewhere for a long time and now you kind of get uprooted mid-season especially? Yeah, I don't know. It's, uh, well, it's tough. For me at the time, I was, um, I don't know.

I wasn't excited that I got fired, but it was, you weren't. But, um, I don't know the right word. It was kind of like I was looking forward to just seeing like what was out there, right? Like I had been in that one group for a long. long time. So it was interesting just to see and work with a different group. And it helped me a lot, honestly, just going and doing something completely different, working with a group that didn't have all the resources. I learned, I just, I learned a lot through everything. But, you know, Daniel's situation right now is tough because there's, like, the whole garage is kind of settled in right now for a long time.

And it feels like more of a period back when I was younger watching the Cup series, like all these guys, they had their homes and they're not really going anywhere, you know, and I feel like that kind of from the top of the bottom. It's like there's not a lot of movement. Like everybody is where they are. So that's the tough part for Daniel. You know, I think he has the ability, right? He's been here a long time. He's been here just as long as me. I mean, nine years in the Cup Series and he's won. And so he can do it, I think, in the right situation. It doesn't seem like Track House, frankly, has been the right situation for him. You know, Ross has had some success. And Daniel hasn't quite been able to have that same level.

And I don't think that's all on him. So does he have a spot in cup? Like, I don't know. I don't know if there's space. Does he deserve it probably? But I don't know if there's space. And I think that's why they announced it now just to give him that opportunity. I mean, you have to, because it's half the season, right?

And Eric, how hard is it, you know, I'm still talking. Oh, sorry. You stop talking. Now I know how it feels. Don't you? Isn't it terrible? You got another thought? I'm sorry, Carson.

Go ahead. Yeah, thank you. Oh, okay. No, I'm done. To your point, Tom. You know, how hard is it to make that decision of getting in a car? Because like you said, there's not a lot of cup seats open. I see people mentioning colleague, I don't think Ty Dillon's going anywhere,

and I don't think AJ's going anywhere. So they're not, I don't see that as a viable option. I think it's going to be an Xfinity team or maybe, you know, maybe a different cup team. But like how hard is it to make the decision of going and running mid-pack or worse in a cup car versus going maybe to a place like J.R.M. And contending for wins in an exfinity races. Well, I think it's really tough for him because he's already been down that road, right?

You know, when he left the 19, he went to, what was that, the 96th car at the time? And that was obviously a really, really tough situation. So he knows that road. Does he want to live it again? I don't know. You know, I can't speak for him. For me, when I was going through it all, there weren't, again, there weren't a lot of opportunities out there. I was really fortunate that Bubbo was hired by a brand new team, and all of a sudden the 43 car,

did a driver and I was kind of the only guy out there with experience so that worked out really well for me but you know it's going to take something like that kind of happening there's going to need to be a seat that we don't really see available open up either guy getting fired from another team or someone moving but you know do you what do you want to do i mean daniel's what 33 four years old yeah i'd say the early 30s i would say somewhere early mid 30s so you know he's kind of right smack in the middle, second half of his career. You know, what do you want to do the next? You could race for 10 more years probably pretty competitively if you wanted it to.

What do you want to do? Do you want to go run 20th in Cup? Or do you want to come find a, you know, do you want to be Justin Allgaier, right? Do you want to be the guy that's winning a bunch of Xfinity races and running up front, having fun? I think Justin's more than happy with his choice over the last 10 years of what he's done. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's a ton of guys that I look at and have a lot of respect for

that have raised short tracks their whole life. Look at Bubba Pollard, right? Like, I think, yeah, does he wish he could have made it and done something in NASCAR? Sure. But I think a lot of people have a lot of respect for him for what he's done. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. So I think he just internally has to decide what he wants to do.

Do you want to grind it out in cup and, yeah, you're going to make more money, right? Even run in 20th every week. Do you want to do that and tough it out for the next, what? whatever, however many years it happens, or do you want to go win races? Yeah, but you, everyone's like, does you run or run around, but see how fast it turns around? You were there a month ago, right? Now you're fighting for top tens.

I mean, getting with the team and getting the funding and doing the things kind of what you guys did to get organized, right? I mean, look, to the common fan out there, we get eight center sections, eight front clips, eight rear clips per car number. It's a puzzle. We have to measure all those, all those pieces, and then we have to put them together to, basically to see what has the most travel. What part and piece together has the most shock travel. And that's what we're shooting for, because that's what creates the downforce that gets the back of the car, the lowest point. So you get all that done, then you work on some small things, you move some things around a little bit, and then all of a sudden

and you get your simulation correct, you get your stuff right, you get on a little rhythm, your pick crew gets really good. Now you go from 20th to 25th to 15th to 10th, right? I mean, it's a shift. Right? Everybody, it's always a shift going on in our biggest series because of it because there's a lot of smart people in the garage, right? So I don't know.

There's always hope for any chartered team right now that could win a race if you put it all together and you have the right driver, the right crew chief, and the right. right, people to put the pieces together. You guys are a perfect example of what has happened the last five weeks, six weeks of putting all the people. You made a couple changes, right? Up top. A couple people that came in had a little bit different vision, right?

Applied that vision. And now look, now you're working on the small things, right? You were chasing the big things. You had no idea what you were chasing, right? Because the car was doing all kinds of different things. Now you're like, okay, here's what it's doing. Now you can fix it. So, man, I mean, Suarez still has a shit.

shot. You get him somewhere. I think he's capable of still winning cup races. He's, Daniel Suarez is a first class guy, man. He is, he represents his sport, you know, to the fullest. I still think if you put him in a good spot, I mean, he's in a good car now, but if you put him in a good spot, he's going to help, or a bad spot, he is going to help that team excel. Yeah, I think we both, I think we all agree he's capable of doing it. It's just the fact that the same thing, there's just not, there's no seats available. Well, you don't know that yet. It's early. It's early. I mean, you don't know what's going on in these meeting rooms. Yeah, but I mean, you look at, you know, you look at, obviously Hendricks locked up.

I think all their guys are locked up. Spire is probably maybe an option, you know, I don't know. There's some guys over there that may be struggling, you know, but one guy, but I like him, so I'll leave him out. But, you know, it's just, there's just not a lot of opportunity. Guys are locked up contract-wise for years, it seems like now. So it's just a battle, like, Eric said, like, do you want to maybe have to go through that fight? You know, Eric's been fighting this for years in that car. You know, do you want to go through that for years or do you want to just go try to win races somewhere and maybe the next time a better opportunity opens up? You're the first call on the list.

Look, there's four or five guys in the other ranks of racing that these big teams are looking at for growth, right? There's some good race car drivers getting ready to come up to take, you know, these drivers that are getting ready to retire as place. I mean, so there's a lot of vision going on. There's a lot of long-term thinking that, we have going on because of the charters, because of the process of sponsorship and everything that's going on. It's bigger than ever now. We can think two, three years down the road right now versus two months in the past, you know, 10 years ago. I mean, I was every Monday trying to figure

how to make payroll sometimes, right? But it's a longer vision now. So yes, is it harder? Cudos to both to be able to announce it early enough to be able to possibly get him in a seat. I did have another question. We skipped the next one because we already talked about it. But somebody sent me this, Eric, and I can't tell if, because I know you're, you may be a little sarcastic and a little bit of dry humor at times. Somebody sent me to ask you, is your subway order still meatballs and add tuna? What? I don't know.

Somebody sent it to me. I can tell you, I can go back and find it. The guy's name. No. Is it true? No. Was it ever true? No.

Did you do it on a bet? You might have said this somewhere. No, this was a joke from years ago. Do you know that guy? Yeah. He's like, oh, man. I, um, my bus driver, his name is Rick. In one time, we were driving to this wedding together, and we stopped the subway,

and I just started telling everybody at the wedding that I bought Rick's lunch, and he walked up in order to footlong sub tuna and meatball and then threw it right in the trash just to like spite me for buying his lunch. I don't know. I thought it was funny. But anyways, every once in a while now when people, this is so stupid. But when people talk about like subway or what they're getting, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go get a tuna and meatball and I'll just try to catch people really off guard with it. Well, it caught me off guard because I saw that on Twitter this morning and I was like, what? And like it's, Eric's a little strange, so it's very possible that. That it could have been true.

I've never ordered that at Subway. Just to clarify. Just to make sure everybody knows. Just to clarify, never have ordered tuna and meatball. No. Thank God. Not yet. Not yet.

It's coming, though. One day. Eric Jones special. I feel like we could nominate that for a shit show. All of Fame. Well, what was the Matthew McConaughey was talking about his tuna? Yeah. Eric Jones.

I'd like to throw a little meatball in it. there it is. Get us some meatball on there. All right. What shit shows did you guys see this week? Oh. Well, the car's pro-late model race was probably on the list, I would assume. Shout out last week.

We did catch it. I think it came out as we were recording, so it didn't get on the list last week. But that tow truck hitting the bridge, towing that indie car, whatever it was back, was pretty spectacular. What one last week? What was the shit show? I have no idea. It doesn't say on my sheet.

It was, I don't remember what they were. Dalton's got it. But, yeah, we'll keep going. 77, that big one was probably a shit show. Oh, Bowman Gray. Of course. Of course.

That doesn't stop. That was outstanding. That dude. Well, they suspended him for the rest of the years. I know, but that dude on social media is... He's an idiot. Out of control, man. He's just begging for attention, and this is what he does all the time.

Finally, like, my biggest problem with Bowman Gray was forever, they would kind of condone this shit. Like, this shit would go on and they would, like, bring it back for the next week and let it happen again. Now, NASCAR's kind of stepped in, and they kind of, they took over the race track or whatever, and this guy's now been suspended for that. the rest of the year, which is what's supposed to happen. Other driver was a woman, correct?

Yeah. Yeah. It was a, I think it was a father and son and a father and a daughter. Like, it was the shit show. But, I mean, it's just, but these, those guys, every time I go there, those two, those purple cars with, whether Staley or whatever the fucking name is, like, they act like idiots all the time. So I'm glad to see.

This is the same repeat offender. Yeah, this is a repeat offenders. Like, it's just, they guys flipping the crowd off. I mean, it's just like, what the fuck are you doing? Just knock it off. Act like an adult. Anyway. So 77, big one.

it's probably got to be on the shit show. Cindrick launching in the turn one, maybe he's on the shit show. The car's going through the fence at, where was that, Sonoya? Did you see that? Yeah. Well, I think some people got,

they were all okay. They're okay. I hope they're okay. Yeah, that was terrible. But the, I mean, that's, that's Bubba's place. It is. Yeah.

Bubba Pollard. Yeah, that's crazy. The, this is why you hear the announcement when you're at a short track, do not stand by the fence. Yeah. Please don't stand by the fence because is this is what happened.

You know, you don't know what could happen. And this guy, I mean, you see people just flying in this video from getting hit by this car. It was, it wasn't, that wasn't on flow, so we don't get to see it. But, yeah, that was. Tommy's pouting him. Because he can't see the video. I'll tell you it needs to be on the shit show. I don't know.

We'd have to share this video. What's that? Fucking Uncle Al on the big wheel. Oh, man. Uncle Al would win. I don't know if that's on social media. But yeah, that was pretty impressive. So I guess I could kind of explain.

Uncle Al is not really my uncle. but he's a gentleman, I know. And they were in Chicago, hang out for the race, and who's setup was this? I think it was Army's. Maybe. Or the racetrack?

It was like a little big wheels. And they were out there running. Al is not a young man. Not a young man. No, he's not a young man. And he's on this, he's determined. He looks very determined.

He's racing like a 15-year-old kid. And he's coming around, coming to the wider the checkered and just flipped right. over off this thing, flies off it. I think they were racing for an Harvey's cheese cheese steak. I did not. I should have asked. Is Al okay?

He is. He said, I'm sure glad I had a helmet on because I hit my head really hard and it was right on the helmet. But Al's good. Al's good. Al's okay. Al, so Al's last name is Iverson, by the way. So his name is Alan Iverson. And he what was Al?

He was the answer. Yeah, Al's the disappointment. He calls himself the disappointment. He says, you don't have any idea how many times I make dinner reservations. I'm like, yeah, I need a table for Al Iverson and six or whatever. He goes, and I show up in there really excited. He gets fan mail. I swear. He has got sent pictures to sign him.

Alan Iverson. He's like, I didn't know. He should sign him. I made a, we were golf and once in. We were actually at Rocky River. I walked in. I said, yeah, I'm here for tea time Alan Iverson. They were like, no way.

They're like, I said, oh, is he not here yet? and they're like, no, he hasn't checked in. I'm like, oh, he'll be here. I promise you, he's coming. You know Al and Iverson? I'm like, I sure do. He's on his way. Uncle Al.

He'll be here soon. So it's funny. I've known Al for a long time, but I didn't know his last name. And we did the master's pool every year, a bunch of spotters and a bunch of guys getting the master's pool. And I just, you know, everybody uses fake names and shit. Like people got, they, you know. Tom Brady.

So, yeah, whoever. And so we're trying to collect money at the end or whatever. And I go, I go, I text Brandon, because I know Brandon put him in. I go, hey, whoever this. Hal Iverson guy is. You got to get a touch with him and tell him to send Venmo the money to whatever the guy. And he's like, what do you mean? That's Uncle Al.

And I'm like, are you shitting me? I said, his name is actually Iverson. That's how I found out about it. I was like this. So then as soon as I saw him, he's like, yeah, I'm the disappointment. It's awesome. That's awesome. They're great. A lot of resemblance. Monica's a big DBC fan, I think. So she's going to hear all this and probably just be mortified about it. Oh, I'll be excited.

Al will be excited. Al's going to be pumped. Oh, man. But yeah, watching him. We have to post that video maybe if I can. I know Holly's got it. I can get a hold of it. Yeah, we got it. And send it into the shit show maybe, but it's... We have it?

Oh, we have it. We can get it on. We can get it. Yeah, we can get it. I mean, we probably hyped it up a little bit too much, but just knowing how it is, like, he comes around the corner kind of disappears out of the screen, and the next you know, he's just laying on his side. Oh, man.

It was, uh, it was something. But yeah, cars pro tour, pro late mall tour. Probably that's Sonoya, through the fence, host of our... Oh, sorry, 77. Put Uncle Al on there and we'll get you the video. All right. Make sure you go vote on our shit show Hall of Fame Twitter poll. Vote for Uncle Al. This will be out for.

Vote for Al. I'm campaigning for Uncle Al. Tommy. What's next? The answer. Papers are part of here. All right, DBC picks. Is that what's next?

A pretty one. Yeah. Low-hanging fruit there. I took a pretty easy one. No, you up. It says, Blaney picked McDowell that wasn't. It was going pretty well for Blaney for a little while, but then he...

Your guess is picked pretty well. Look at the tops of the score. They're kicking our ass. Eight to four. We have four. They got eight. Pretty impressive. But you go first.

The problem is, longer you wait now, you're going to have less because you can only pick everybody once a year, so you're getting less to pick from. You can pick yourself this week, though, it looks like. For Sonoma? To win? The race? Well, you just got to beat the other three guys. Oh.

So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got you. I got you. I'm like. You don't think you're going to win this thing. That would be great if we'd be awesome.

Might be a long show. That guy one step closer to running naked down Indianapolis. Yeah, he'd be there almost. Tom Cruise. I mean, he's available. They are making that second movie now, so he's, you know, we're just getting ahead of the game on there. He's running the car out there this weekend. You know Steve Barked out was in Days of Thunder.

Was he in it? Oh, yeah. I didn't know he was in it. He was a back. He was a guy in the background. You ask him next time you see him. Oh, I'm sure. It's not about Days of Thunder story.

He'll show you. He'll be happy to show. He has it ready on his phone. He knows Tom. He'll tell you all the time. He says, you know, Tom and Nicole. They go back. They go way back to 90s.

He kept saying Tom and Nicole, and telling the story, I'm like, who are you talking? Tom and Nicole. He's like, Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman. Like, what do you mean? What are you an idiot? Yeah, he's like, Tom Nicole.

He's like, what are you talking about? Why are you talking about him like that? He said, oh, you know, we're real close. All right, Steve Oh, Bartol. I have no one that had to fire. Eric, you go first. Do you want me to pick someone?

Yeah. Just can't pick anybody that's like grayed out of you. I can't believe no one's No one's picked William Byron anywhere. Nope. That's kind of crazy. I'm gonna go with him.

He's bowing for a good race. I don't know what, tell me what happened to them yesterday. Do you know? Punch issues. I mean, he went by on the initial green and it sounded like the clutch was slipping. I just couldn't get in gear. I couldn't tell what was going on.

And then they just got worse for two laps and he pulled in. Thomas, you're up. I am. Yep. Oh, you got SVG on it. Shut up, Eric. And Zillich. I don't think he's running.

You should pick Zillage for sure. I'm going to go with McDowell. Oh, you dick. That's a good pick. I'm picking SVG. I've been trying to pick him at the last two road courses and haven't been able to. You better go. with Dillon.

Ty Dillon. Ty Dillon? It might be the guy this week. I'm taking Ty Dillon. You got Ricky Craven on you. You guys all have... I was going to go Jimmy Spencer, maybe. There's like an odd number, so they just... You pick Kurt.

Like early in the year, he's like, I forget who he was... In Las Vegas. It's a good place to pick Kurt. If you're going to pick him, you might as well pick him in Vegas. Yeah, I will pick Ty Dillon. Why not? Let it rip. What else is going on?

Where we go? He's in tournament. So mid-season tournament. Yeah. Let's go to the bracket here for a second. We talked a little bit about the left side. I don't know who's feeding Ty Dillon all these lines, but he's having a role with these things. You see him talking shit about Kesslowski?

No. So did you see, you know, Kislauski had that video from years ago and wherever he was at, where he was fucking basketball. And Ty Dillon did something. Like I knew in a basketball city I was going to be able to beat this guy in a game of knockout or something like that. So I don't know who's feeding tie these lines because I don't know that he's that witty. He's got writers. Hey, if you beat them this week,

this is what you got to say. You're holding up a cue card. I did get a kick out of. Did you catch SBG's comments this week? Because you know, the Xfinity guys, they get paid for the, if you haven't already figured. My car is as fast as Xfinity Mobile.

15G. So it's like the driver and the whoever has the most, right, at the end of the year. 15G. Yeah. It's not. I thought you said 15 Gs. That's what I thought you said to.

I was like, 15 grand to say that. I think the PR people now get in on it. They get paid a little bit of money if their driver says it. So every SVG interview this week, he's like, so my PR girl wants me to say that my car is as fast as Infinity Mobile. And it was a running joke all weekend.

It actually pissed off somebody. Matt Tiff was complaining about it. I thought that was funny. He's like, this is really driving me crazy. I'm like, that's what drives you crazy. You know it drives Hollywood crazy too.

She gets really upset. driver's saying, I'm like, whatever. Hey, if they're going to make money, good for them. Yeah, it was like that too, and I was Xfinity racing. Yeah, you had to say Xfinity 1G then. Now you're up to 27G. 20, 30 Gs. All right, Ty Dillon and Bowman.

So it's obviously Ty Dillon, right? I mean, yeah. You got to keep him rolling, man. Yeah. He's made it this far. Unless you're not happy with Bowman. Yeah, plus the hell of Bowman. Numbchuck and Jones.

Numbchuk. Numbchuk made it. Careful if you're wrecked him this week. He's going to nunchuck your heads. Eric Jones, obviously. Eric, what do you think there between the two of you? I feel good about it, you know? Sonoma, kind of like you were talking about.

It's a place been a hundred times now, so I like Snowma. Yeah, I feel good. It's a good place to line them up in 11 and just ship it on the last lap. Is the shop divided? Have we drawn a line this week down the center of the shop? I know, I don't know. I'll be up there today. Yeah.

Don't talk to anybody on the 42. No, absolutely not. It's cold-shouldered. Everybody. You got to start something, man. You got to start something. Yeah, you got to start the mind games now. You realize it's a million dollars.

I know. Are you getting close? I've honestly not paid much attention to this and all of a sudden it's really creepy. It's really getting real. I thought yesterday I'm like, oh, there's no way. Who'd you be? Ricky.

Oh, Ricky. I was running a lot down. Poor magic. Poor magic mic. I'm like, magic mic. My run over a couple times? I thought all the shit, Ryan Priest and Noah Grexon said we're talking to each other. they were funny.

But I didn't say it. You didn't? They were going back and forth. Well, it was on Instagram, social media stories, so that's probably why you did. That's probably the toughest one right there.

Prez and Reddick? Yeah. I think Tyler will get that. Ryan's been on the road course. He's been better. I don't know what he's figured out, but I think he's been letting Busher drive his car or something, but.

Swapping right before the race. Just trying to get him in the playoffs. Come on, buddy. Zane Smith and Ty Gibbs. Ty for sure. Yeah. He's been killing him. on the road courses.

Ty's been really good the last two road courses, really. So that'd be good. That'd be good matchup. Yep. Somebody's going to win a million. Somebody's going to win a million dollars.

One and eight chance, Eric, what are you going to do if you win a million dollars? Where are you going first? Million bucks. What do I want to do? It's going to take me to a football game in Detroit. Yeah. Might cover that cost this winner.

Maybe it'll pay for that. Prices are gone up over there, huh? Dude, people are cranked about it, too, up in Detroit. They say now we got all FooFu fans. They want the... Oh, like they're all front runners. Like, they didn't... Well, they were saying, like, the games used to be so loud, like, when we sucked, you know?

Oh, yeah, because those are the diehards. Yeah, and now they're like, oh, all these, like Bloomfield Hills and Rochester are like the Ritzie areas. They're like, all these guys are buying all the tickets now, and nobody does anything. They sit there to whole game, so they're mad. That's funny. But, yeah, it's expensive, no. We're going. I think we're going to go.

They're playing the Giants. I got to bring Jack. Jack, for some reason, since he was born, he's been a Detroit, Lions, fan. Really? Yeah, so I've always... You can tag along. I think we're gonna go to the giant.

They play the Giants sometime. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's, uh, descent. It's like that second week, third week, second week, December. Yeah. Let's try to do it. It'll be a nice little trip. I hope you guys.

It'll be... Well, you're anti. You might end up coming because they might invite you anyway. If Holly, is, is Holly going. I'll go to hang out with Holly. I'm sure. I'm sure. She's not going.

No, she's not going. She's not invited. We didn't invite. No wives. It's a guy's trip. Guys trip. Oh, Auntie, you can't. That's a guy's trip.

There's no way in any kind of hell our wives would ever let us go anywhere unsupervised. The crowd, that we're going with. Yeah, I think AI's coming. And he'd be the most responsible one, I think. Oh, for sure. He's got to wear a helmet, though. He's got to have it. He's going to be concussed from the Chicago street race still.

But he's hopefully out of protocol by then. He's day-to-day at this point. All right, Sonoma, Thomas, there's one car. I assume we're going out there. Are you going, Tommy? Nope. No. Oh, you can't get on the wine.

I'm going tomorrow. I'm going to tomorrow. We're making a big trip out of it. Are you a big wine guy, Freddie? Oh, yeah, huge wine guy. You know, I'm a big, big, I couldn't even, I was going to name a couple, but I couldn't even think one to name. Red, white.

Red and white. Yeah, those are my, those are my kind. I love those two flavors. I love those. Those are my two favorite flavors, red and white. so sonoma we're going to be fighting grip yeah what do you think well it's well a little bit i don't know it'd be interesting to see what uh you know a year on the repave what that's kind of like it was it was pretty gripped up last year compared to what you think of as sonoma um so yeah we'll

see a year on with that but uh i'm excited i like racing in there i think there's a lot of once we've kind of the interloop uh section we were running was not great So I'm glad we're back to the other layout. And I think it's pretty racy. You can actually race there. It's a fun place to go to. Yeah. Fun area.

Fun area. Ernie's tin bar around the corner. There's a fun spot to go hang out for a little bit. Anyway, thanks for it. Where are we going racing? Anybody racing this week? We have pro late models at Hickory this weekend. Are they going to do a better job than the last?

I sure hope. Did you ever get to race Hickory? No, I never raced Hickory. I think we're at like 13 or 14 right now. Not. Are you guys got, I guess you guys got it? Are you still leading the owner points? Yeah.

How many more races are there, pro races? Um, shit. Uh-oh. We're halfway through right now. So, I mean to put you on a spot. Luke's in it for four of them, I think, coming up. So those will be the weak spots?

Who's running the 30,000 one for you guys? Luke is. Luke, okay. Where's that? Is that Hickory? Hickory. I've seen that commercial during the 14 commercial breaks that we got during the pro race last week. Luke's leading the points in the smart,

18 back in the NASCAR tour. And there. And when do we got to make that decision? Not for a while, right? It's coming up. After Richmond. After Richmond, yeah. You got to decide between the smart tour and the-

No, he's going to do the smart tour. It's just how far is he going to be ahead, maybe to miss one or something? Oh, I got you. But, you know, Hermie was the first one to hire him, so we're not going to take anything away from that. And they're racing this week at all? Modified?

Lancaster. We go to Lancaster on Saturday. Tour race? Yep. Tour race. How to do, you went to Lancaster. We ended up 11 weeks. That's where you guys were fighting with each other, right?

No. Spotting. Oh, yeah, he did a shitty job. I never spotting. Yeah. Who told you that? My son. Okay.

Did Dave ever spot for you back? Once. That was it? And you told me the same thing. He'd never spot it. We were at ORP and Brandon was spotting for me but he couldn't be there for practice. He was in Toledo or something. So he's like, my dad's like, I'll do it.

And we went out. Whatever. Practice was fine. Then we're going to make a mock run. I'm like, all right, here we go. He's like, all right, start rolling here. He's like, what? slow down

and I'm just rolling through one and two he's like hang on here all right hang on now I'm in the middle of the backstretch like we're coming to green hang on here

we got a couple more hang on I just went out of here and he came down he said I don't think this is for me I said no probably not buddy that's funny anyway Eric

thank you for finally coming in hanging out I appreciate your answering my text messages for the first time ever it was nice of you to do that this week I was on it asking you questions.

You were. He's like, I was impressed. Making sure I was going to the right place. I was legitimately concerned after Friday. I'm like, he is definitely

not coming after this. Like now we're not going to talk about this all week. Sunday night, I said, is it still? Yep, text me to make sure we're in the right place and you showed up.

And I was dead on time. You said 10? I showed right up at 10. But that's good. That's better than us usually. I'm usually here five minutes late. I don't know what happened today. The time moved back a little bit

to help me out. Usually it's 930, but so we push back, help me out. But anyway, good to see a bunch of fans in wherever the hell we just were. Chicago. I did see a lot of fans.

I walked in. I was walking into the racetrack and I walked in with a DBC fan the whole way, talking to him. So he was from the area and just a big fan of racing and was hoping for Bubba having a good day and we fucked that up. So I apologize to him. Emerson. Emerson.

Emerson was doing a good job, man. Then Bubba came out. Obviously, we benefited from the wreck on the first lap. So we went from like 40th to 20th. by the third lap I said hey must be practice bubba back in there good job but yeah it was all right but it is what it is and we'll move on and try harder again next week we'll see but don't try harder try we got to try harder we got to do something but thanks for listening we'll be back next week we're out peace see you see you check out dirty mo media on twitter facebook tick tock and instagram