Door Bumper Clear - Connor Zilisch & Josh Williams: Hard Hits at the Glen

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Connor Zilisch and his spotter, Josh Williams, join Freddie Kraft and Tommy Baldwin at the table this week for another episode of Door Bumper Clear. Connor breaks down his scary fall in Victory Lane following his win in the Xfinity Series race at Watkins Glen, and the guys poke fun at his expense. The crew debates whether Austin Hill intentionally wrecked Michael McDowell, whether NASCAR should enforce track limits and force drivers to use the actual race track, and whether more horsepower is the answer for the Next Gen cars. Plus, we have Reaction Theatre, #AskDBC, and so much more! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with us. Let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire seat on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. Not enough, you love them. Hey, what's up, everybody?

Welcome to a little bit different looking edition of Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Crafts, Potter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson, and Gio Rozero this week. Thomas, how are you today? Good, man. I'm really good. Carson.

Carson. No, Carson. What happened to her? Who? Yeah, she's gone. Replacing Carson, we have a special guest. We have a couple special guests. But I guess in Carson's seat,

the winner of the Xfinity race, you remember you won this week? Yeah. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. It just came to him last night. Connor Zillich is in the house all, I don't know what to think of you, right? How are we doing today, buddy? Oh, I'm great. Yeah, I had a doctor's appointment this morning. They told me about my collarbone was broken, and yeah, it's been good. It's been a long 48 hours, a lot of texts, a lot of way too much drama and publicity for me. Your dad's the ones that have the most publicity.

He likes it. He likes it. Connor probably had one of my favorite texts that I've gotten in a long time. So he texts me there tonight and he's like, I guess I'm the shit show the week, huh? And you might be the first person that's in-house for their own shit show award, but we'll get to that later. But I said, damn it, rookie. I said, how many fucking races do you have to win before you realize you've got to put the

window net back in? He said, I don't know, I guess seven. And speaking of winning, your winning spotter, the fucking guy doesn't love how to lose lately. Josh Williams is in the house. What's up, Josh? Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been a pretty good run lately with Connor and SVG in Cups. Yeah, no shit.

What was it? And Lane, right? I feel like you've won half the races in the last two months, or maybe more than that. 11 of the last 20, but that's not a brag. That's very lucky. Every week in August, I won something. So it was a good run. Yeah, kiss my ass.

Connor, back to you. I don't know how long we're going to keep you here. Keeping this seat. I know you're not the most comfortable shape right now. But how is your, aside from the nightmare that the, After the race, how was your weekend on the track? It was good. You know, I felt like the truck race was a complete mess.

I felt like we were in a good spot until I got wrecked by the 13, and that kind of ended our day there. And then Xfinity obviously went really well all the way through the weekend or all the way through Saturday, practice qualifying the race. All of it was good. Our car was really good. The J.R.M. cars have obviously been lights out lately. The cup car was decent.

We were good in practice. I was pretty much on par with SVG and then qualifying. I don't know if I didn't ask for the right things or didn't just drive it, but I didn't quite get everything out of it. And we had a little bit of a miscommunication there too that held us back. So yeah, it didn't go our way in qualifying, but I guess I didn't really have to get to the point of figuring out what it was going to be like in the race. So, yeah, I guess I'll forget about that and just remember the Xfinity race

and then bonking my head. Tommy's a little upset with you because he picked you in DBC picks for the cup reasons. I think you get a redraw. And I had SVG as an open, and I didn't know the new playoff rules reset with all the drivers, and I was keeping him for the roval and using you up because you weren't going to run your oval. Now you got hurt and... Are you all right? No, I could have won.

You know, kind of the last couple weeks, everybody's been bitching about the fact that, like, the Archer car was faster than the cup card Iowa. This week we saw Exfinity and Truck was a second faster than the cup card qualifying. Talk about the differences driving-wise and maybe which one's the most fun to drive around a road course like that. I would say the X-Findy car is the most fun, in my opinion. The cup car, man, it just drives so weird. Like, it just has no, nothing, there's no role. There's nothing to lean on.

Like, it's just super stiff. You're on edge at all times. It's just very weird to drive. It's not a lot of fun. either in the race. From what I watched, I didn't get to race it, but obviously, you know, guys were struggling to make moves and, you know, struggling to get within two or three car lengths of another car without, you know, picking up tight. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the problem is. I'm not a engineer, but, yeah, it's just very stiff. There's not a lot of feel.

It's very numb feeling. The Xfinity car, you have a lot of roll. You can feel a tire a little better. you know there's a lot more sidewall to to feel um so it's just different um it's it's just something that i got to get used to and learn and um i just have gotten there yet do you feel that in the car that this thing is a second slower than what i just got out of oh yeah yeah yeah i mean like the exfindy car through the s is even you're like we're almost wide open through the s's and in the cup car i mean you're lifting at the bottom of the hill you're lifting at the top of the hill, like, it just has no lateral grip at all. And that's the thing. I don't know what a good car drives like, really. I haven't, I mean, I've driven three races and, you know, I just, I need to get a

better feel for what a good car feels like and what a fast car drives like to understand what I need out of the car. I just, I just really don't know what I need out of the car right now. And that's kind of my biggest struggle is learning what to ask for after practice, because I feel like everywhere we go, like I practice okay. Like Coda, I was good in practice and then didn't qualify great. And same thing this weekend. I was really good in practice, you know, on par with Shane and, you know, was top three, top five in all the averages and went to qualify and just didn't have top

10 speed, really. So, yeah, I got to figure it out. But, you know, I know that the speed is there. I just got to manage executing it. I got a feeling you've got some time to figure it out. I hope. I hope. I hope someone gives me some time.

You know, obviously, you said I have something announced this week, but I don't know my plans yet. I think when they've seen you fell on your head, they maybe held back on that. They were like, hold on a second. Josh, talk about you've worked with Connor all year in the Xfinity series, obviously. How much have you seen him change throughout the year? Obviously, he's rattled off, I don't even know, what, six wins now in the last, it feels like the last just a couple months. Yeah.

And like beginning of the year, obviously wasn't that dominant. What have you seen in him through the year? I think just honestly being a little more patient and just executing a lot. We've had speed pretty much everywhere we've been, even places he's never used to see before. Well, it don't always show, but the other 99% of the laps. Patience. Come on, Tommy. Throw me a bone.

Shane might disagree, but I'm just going to. We'll get to that later. Honestly, just executing. We've had speed, but just knowing what he needs in the car, him and Marty work awesome together. And then just, like I said, executing a new. knowing what he needs in the race. That's been the biggest thing of why we've routed off all these top two finishes every week. It's just been putting races together. We've had that speed most weeks. Yeah. And I really feel that has to do a lot of his issues with the cup stuff, right? I mean,

him and Marty have worked, they've clicked, right? And once a crew chief and a driver clicks and know exactly what he's feeling and what he's saying, you know, it doesn't necessarily, it gets to a point that he doesn't even have to say what the car is doing. He can just have a conversation, You can have a conversation with the driver and just all of a sudden know what to do. And the way that Xfinity car is running, them boys are clicking, right? And half the issue is with the cup stuff, he's just getting plugged in with a group, a good group, but they're part-time, right? They're not racing every weekend. They're not doing things in a repetitive system, right?

And that hurts the driver. It hurts the crew. It's hard doing it part-time when you're racing against the guys that are. full time. And, you know, that's why the Xfinity car right now is clicking. I mean, it was just like a switch. Yeah, I see it with my Xfinity car and my cup car, and it's the same situation. It's taking Connor a couple months to kind of click, and we go to our meetings now, and we're all on the the same page for whatever starts. And it's been the same thing with Shane. Like last year with his deal with colleague, it was all over the place and trying to figure it out. And it took him

three or four months this year into the season to kind of get to where he's competitive every weekend knows what he needs. And it'll be the same thing with him once he gets in the cup car a lot more often. Yeah, I still feel they found something there about eight, nine weeks ago, ten weeks ago. They found an issue that he was, didn't like in the car, and all of a sudden, they had, I think, yeah, the whole company's worked hard for all the cars.

I mean, Rolts has shown it too, so we've all been better and figuring out what we need. What, I know you're still going through doctor's appointment and stuff. Do you have any idea what your timeline looks like? I would assume you're probably going to be out for a little while. Yeah. You know, I've talked about it. a little bit, but, yeah, I think it might be something that, you know, I might have to get surgery for, but in this case, I think surgery is something that speeds up the process. So you can get

plates and screws and get it reconstructed back together. And, you know, Shane talked about it in his interview. He had an injury in 2021. He broke his collarbone and, you know, he had plates, screws, everything done. And he was racing back the next weekend. So, yeah, thankfully, the collarbone is a relatively quick bone to fix and heal. So, yeah, it's better than, yeah, like, I mean, the last thing I remember, I was, I was split on the door, so I had one leg in the car, one leg out the car, and the last thing I remember is thinking, I don't know why, but I thought I was going to break my femur. Like, I was, my leg was stuck.

I thought I was going to get caught in the headrest and just, I thought I was done. Like, I thought I was done. And then apparently the first thing I said when I came back to life and, you know, was resurrected is they said Michael Campbell, actually, Justin's PR guy, he was walking with me. I was on the stretcher. And I like, I start turning the corner and coming back. And I was like talking gibberish, like just yapping away. You were in the race too. Which I've seen you do this before.

Yeah. Before the fall. Thanks. And he goes. Well, I was basically, not yelling, but I was talking to the medics, and I was like, I'm good, I'm good. Like, my shoulder hurts a little bit, but that's it. Like, I'm fine. And they're like, no, like, we're putting you on the stretcher.

I'm into this neck brace. And I'm walking, I'm getting pulled away on the stretcher. And I'm like, apparently the first thing, the first words that came out of my mouth that were legitimate where, God, everyone's going to think I'm a pussy. Because I was like, why am I on a stretcher right now? I feel fine. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, my goodness. I didn't even, so while I'm driving down the road, I text, we get out of there and

like, oh, I guess Twitter started blowing up Nick Payne or somebody was riding with me. They're like, the hell's going on here? They're like, Connor fell down. And I'm like, that doesn't make me. That doesn't surprise me at all. He's not the most athletic person and sitting on this table at this table. And then they're like, no, I think it's kind of bad. And then somebody pulled up a video and I was like, oh, fuck.

And you guys said, you were on your way to Victory Lane. Yeah, just crossed the track, walking across the front street. I saw him getting out on the big screen, and he fell. And as soon as he landed, they cut the screen off. I'm like, oh, that was bad. And I got to Victory Lane, and it was just an eerie silence. And I'm like, this isn't going to be any kind of celebration. I'm out.

And then the whole, honestly, all night and Sunday, it kind of took the win out of the sales. You guys should have just went and celebrated without him. I know. I asked in the hospital. Is he alive? Oh, cool. All right. I asked in the hospital, I was like, did you guys at least like take your pictures in

Victory Lane? And they're all like, no. And I was like, what the heck? That's why I wore my hat today because I wanted to get a picture with him. I was going to go to Victory Lane when I was at the track yesterday and take a picture of Victory Lane, but I didn't. You should have. That would have been. I know.

I was just, I was getting bombarded and I didn't want to. You want to see anybody? Man, I loved your tweet last night when they were kind of giving you shit on the track house account with Shane getting out of the car slowly and your reaction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows me that I'm a smart ass and Shane was about to get out and it was all I could do not to say, hey, just. Just please be careful.

Yeah. I think that I'm not going to name names, but a driver, we're at the airport, and he goes, yeah, in our pre-race meeting today, the whatever their comp director, whoever said that if we win, we can't stand on the car anymore. Like, it was like a new

rule for them. So. Way to go. The Connor rule. Yeah, the Connor rule. You have fucked up for everybody. I have killed celebrations. Sorry, guys. I think it'll all be okay if they just go ahead and just tuck that window at back in the window before you get up on that. Yeah, but he was having issues.

Yeah, because he was stepped on the window. He was a mess. I saw it on the way up. He stepped on and almost slipped and then he came. The first thing I asked, I wanted to make sure your dad was there because I was getting ready to get in the car and head over there. Yeah, I was old man's where there. I'm like, okay.

His old man's over there talking shit about him. Literally. He was literally talking shit about it. That's what I was looking for him for him, though, because that was going to be the truth. What did he say? I don't even remember. It was something like this. Oh, silver lining.

This is, uh, shit. Sitting himself is no longer his most embarrassing moment. Can we talk about... He said last night at 10? You did that? At 10 years old, you told me? Yeah, I was at 10 years old. That wasn't when you were a baby.

No. Probably wasn't the last time either. I don't think... It's just that's what dad knows about. Moving on. Anyway, let's move on to the weekend. And, Connor, you just dip out whenever the hell you want. You guys, obviously...

I think we saw three really dominant performances all weekend. I know the truck race got closer. the end but I thought the best truck won and Corey kind of dominated that race as well. But I mean, just talk about your day yesterday. It seemed kind of effortless as always. Yeah, yesterday was just, I mean, our deal on that is just executing and let Shane do his thing. Stay out as away more than anything and just if the strategies work out, it's we're going to kind of be in the game with him. So it's just not getting penalties, not having bad pit stops, just executing our day. And that's kind of where we were.

You know, we wanted to get the lead early and we ended up being second and just kind of bided our time from there and then played off of other strategies. And it worked out for us to be able to kind of control the second half of the race. So pretty smooth day for us. I mean, people think he's dominant, which he is, but a lot of that's just executing and managing our day to be there at then. That's the biggest thing I've noticed about him, especially at the road courses, is he's just not in a hurry to do anything. You know, like he was just kind of riding behind Blaney at the beginning of the race.

Obviously Blaney started to fade a little bit towards the end of that stage. He kind of got there. It was going to be a little harder to pass. And if he wanted to, he probably could have. But he didn't need, you know, there's no point in, you know, rushing at that point. And then you kind of cycle ahead of Blaney and then just everything kind of works out where you guys are on the, box you have such a big lead that you can you can run longer than us pit still come out in front of us

with fresher tires and then just continue to drive away and i saw some tweets yesterday it was funny they were like yeah he's in the middle of his burnout when bell finally crossed the line that's tough uh i don't even know it was 11 seconds or something like that but it's just a flawless day Tommy and i mean i know you've had those days that you know across the board which just everything kind of goes right yeah i mean it i think the key was i was surprised that they pitted at the second stage and those other guys stayed out with the older tires, and I think that's what gave you guys the edge a little bit to... You didn't fall that far behind, right?

I think you, what, eighth and ninth? No. Where you started like 12th? Were you? Yeah, within a lap, like, fifth or fourth. Yeah, and it was crazy. I don't think at that time, we realized, a lot of people realized how bad the tire fall off was,

and it really showed towards the end of the race, right? I mean, those guys that pitted right on the number in the third stage, the last 10, 12, last 10, of laps. I could not believe the times that they were running. It was so bad. And the falloff was... It was really... Seventh. Seventh. Seventh. That's by the end of it.

The thing that were really impressed me about Shane was, we all did the same strategy where we short pit that stage. We all kind of came out... The second stage. It was like, it was Shane, I think Ross, Brisco, and us were the first four off pit road on that strategy. And we went green. And Bubba's like, God,

dang, I'm in... I can't know a track position. You know, even like, the guys stayed out. I'm like, well, they're older tires. We should be okay. And I think we restarted like 15, 16, something like that. And we went green and Shane took off and we didn't. Like the three of us, they lined up behind everybody and Shane just picking his way through. I was like, well, fuck. Like this is where this shows up how much.

Did you think you were going to follow him? Well, no, I thought we were going to, like the way them guys fell hard at the first stage, like the 17 and the 60, they went like a ton of bricks in the back. I thought the same, something similar was going to happen. And it started to happen later in that run. We were picking them off as they faded harder or like a longer, more laps of the tires. but I thought we would at least kind of take off, not maybe follow him, but at least make some progress, and we stayed stuck, and he drove right to the lead. And I was like, well, shit.

We're going to work harder for this. I think what happened there versus the first stage, there was only three of them that stayed out. So it was a little bit easier in fresh tires to start picking them off and sending them. When there's a bigger group, once they get stretched out, that's when the air starts to come into play. You can get a couple, right? But then all of a sudden you're hitting the wall, right? Your tires start to get hot a little bit, and it's a little bit harder. But he didn't have a problem.

Yeah. So that's a situation. I think the first three stayed out from stage one. Yeah. And then there was like seven or eight that were like 10 lap tires. Yeah. We got those guys really fast. So they were all racing the guys that only had like eight, nine laps on their stuff.

And we were already in front of that. Right. So by the time they got it and it cycled, we were like 17 seconds ahead of the guys on Irish cycle. Yeah, Ross was the next one. He was way back. Yeah. So he just kind of just had a really good restart and got the stuff that was hardest to pass, honestly. Well, way to go.

Yeah. It was all spotter. Great, Josh. All spotter. The three corners you could see. You guys, you nailed it in those three corners. My road course spotting is really trended high. Oh, yeah, you've really stepped your game up on these road course.

I think so. Who was helping you? I know Kyle's. So I have my best friend Kyle. That's my best man in my wedding. He was in the S's. And then I had Nick Tucker back in the bus stop. And then we had Jam that works here that helps on Eric's Fendi car over in that section between five and six after the accidents on.

How was Jamming in Victory Lane? He was quick because the 87 plane left early. Oh, yeah. I brought him a bottle of champagne today to celebrate because I think that was his first. couple of wind, but he was pumped. Yeah. He was pumped in Victorily Saturday. Yeah.

Even for longer than most people were. He probably still celebrating. He didn't like this and you're upside down. He didn't let him fucking Debbie Downer over here in his day. He was like this. Take a picture when he was on. Yeah, he was going to do a selfie. So it's like out like a leg.

It was fun to have him. Talk about your day, the race itself, but obviously, you know, we'll get into it spot on, spot off. I don't know if you're going to be here for it, but the incident with SVG, I mean, you're, I don't even know how many laps to go it was. You're clearly a better car. How hard is it to know how hard to push in that moment? And obviously, you guys get together.

He ends up wrecking. I don't think you did it in purpose, but you can say on here if you did. Yeah, no, I did not do that on purpose. Like, if I wanted to wreck him, I would have, I had 10 laps before. Like, I was doing literally everything in my power to try and pass him without touching him. And, I mean, I was behind him for. it had to have been at least seven laps trying to pass him. And I was doing everything I could.

I was lining him up in the break zones, trying to force him to make a mistake. And he's just so hard to force him to a mistake. So, you know, I got alongside him going into six, the second and last corner. And I went a little deep and, you know, went wide. And then, you know, I was coming back onto the track. And, you know, he's just going dead straight.

And I expected him to open up the corner a little bit to give me room to re-enter. I guess hindsight, my only option to not wreck him was to lift. And, you know, I just, I expected to have more space coming back onto the track in which I didn't. And yeah, I mean, I wish I would have lift and, you know, gone back after him. But I also wish I could have had some more space to. It was just we were fighting for the same spot. And he knew that as soon as I got the lead, I was, you know, I had the better car and I was going to drive away. and, you know, win the race if another caution didn't come out.

So I understand, you know, his point. You know, he was doing everything he could to keep me behind him. And then, you know, for my point of view, I was, you know, trying to pass him for seven or eight laps really clean. And, you know, he was being really aggressive blocking me. And, you know, that was my one, my best shot that I'd had so far to get by him. And, yeah, just we met in the same spot. And like I told Josh, I said, if I wrecked the guy, tell me, like, don't lie to me. And I asked...

Did you lie to him? All right. Probably. Probably. But here's my scenario in it. Probably. That's not where you sit on the radio. I know.

That's why I'm here. It's in the car. You know, you don't want to piss them off. Exactly. No matter what I say, he's going to feel one way or the other about it. And he's not going to have clarity until he talks to Shane or someone else way higher than me. So my job in that situation is to diffuse it. We'll focus on the rest of the race and then we'll handle the rest of that later.

And that's what I was trying to do. That's why I asked coming to the checkered. I was like, I was like. You asked again? Yeah, coming to the checker. Tell me, what's it my father? Yeah. He's celebrating like down this straight.

We went, hey, boy, we've got to hit two more breakings on. I'm coming. I come out of the carousel and I come on the radio. I'm like, dude, if I wrecked him, tell me. Like, I, just tell me the truth. Like, did I wreck him? Because I knew at that point, like, they're not trying to maintain my emotion or anything. Like, I've already won the race.

Like, I'm coming to the checkered. I just want to know. Are they honest with you at that point? No, they still lied to me. I let Marty talk to it. You're bad, Marty? What did Marty say? No, bud, you're good.

That's it. Let me ask you this. How many curse words did you get out when you got shipped up to Hill and turn one on the restart? I didn't. I wasn't that bad. I didn't say anything.

I just went up to him, and the biggest thing that pisses me off. I went up to him, and I give him whatever, a little bump and bump under caution. We're talking about Austin Hill. Yes, Austin Hill. And he has the...

damn heart to just throw me deuses. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I cannot wait till I get back to you. And there was like 10 laps left. I mean, there was plenty of time. And yeah, he threw me deuses and I was like, oh, this guy. Is that the same guy that was suspended the week before for a reckon? Same guy. Possibly.

Same guy that maybe caused a nuclear disaster down the backstretch there. But yeah, that was, I saw that again. I can tell you he probably hated to have to do that to you. He hates to have an ever race like that, but sometimes it happens. Oh, really? That's what, that's kind of what I know. Every interview is I hate that that happened. I hate it to have to race that way, but I think he said the same thing about McDowell.

But, yeah, weekend, the rest of the weekend, like I said, Hime, and I think Hime was the best truck. He did a really good job. Shout out, credit to Daniel Hemrick very easily. Could have ran in there and wiped him out in the last corner instead, you tried to drive to the outside. and maybe cross them over down the front. Raced how you'd hope to see people race. And credit to him because he could have easily just went in there and cleaned him out and turn seven and went on to win the race.

He didn't. I know Corey gave him credit for that also. But good for Corey. He's super talented. He'll continue on for many, many years to come winning races. Tristan wins the arc race Tristan McKee. What is he, 10 years old? I think somebody said, yeah.

He's I think 8, 9, something like that. Born in 2010. He's actually, he's like 15 years old. in five days or something. He was actually not the youngest winner. Todd still had it for 15 years and two days, I think it was. But that kind of that race kind of fell in his hands. Brenton was the

best car and then they had battery issues or something. But credit to that kiddy, I mean, he's done a really good job in a late model and just carries over. So we always talk about Tommy, you put yourself in position to win races and sometime the wins find you. Yeah, I don't really have much to say about him, to be honest with you. Oh, not a fan.

No. Okay. Why not? Just, he doesn't drive well. Oh, you don't like. like that. No. Maybe it's Spire. Yeah. Maybe they've got a class up there and I can have to visit and see if there's a classroom

up there for how they drive. Just over, like in the late model stuff, I assume, like over, over aggressive or? Yeah. I don't,

I just don't like the way he drives. Okay. I'm nothing to say. How do you feel about the way? Very stoic. I don't, I don't have. Hey,

that's fine. Nobody's, you're good. You're good. Old man yelling at the cloud again. Marker, he did a good job, but I'm with Tommy on some other stuff. I really, I mean, I've seen him, I've watched some of the cars to a race,

and I've never really had an issue with. But I guess he did get in some shit last week at Hickory, right? He was kind of in the middle of that deal. Here we, go ahead. That really wasn't his fault. I think, personally, they should have thrown a caution as soon as Honeycutt jumped, and they would have saved a lot of cars. They should have threw a caution, reset.

They waited too long, and then they put them to the back after the wreck, which I don't know. I mean, I think the tower could have saved that issue. And, you know, did he end up causing the wreck? Yes, probably when he kind of bounced off and hooked. But again, they're all like, well, how come they're not caution's not out probably? They're all like ungluing at that point. You know, I don't, I'm not blaming him on that wreck at all.

I blame the tower on that one, to be honest with you. Yeah, if you're considering looking at it, it needs to be called off immediately and look at it. For them to make a call afterwards, they do something. Correct a lot of race cars. Hey, it's Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to shop.durdymo Media.com. We've got plenty of options, and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop.d.Durdymomedia.com.

Spot-on, spot off topic number one, Michael McDowell and SVG should have left room for Austin Hill and Conorzil to get back on the track. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Well, I think Connor did a really good job describing his. I don't know, man. I think it probably, Connor, what do you think? I think it was the same situation with McDowell, or do you think?

I think it was a little bit different. I feel like they met more so off the track. Like, they were both out in the runoff. And, you know, I don't know if it was the same exact scenario. but I mean my biased opinion is you know I maybe could have been left at least a car length to come back onto the racing surface after I went onto the runoff but I guess I'm not gonna I'm guessing if I was Shane I would say the opposite so yeah and here's here's where I'm at with it and Josh I don't know but you're if you drive and this is for this is for you this is for we saw this with Hosevar and qualifying as well we talk about that in a minute. But we saw a little bit with Austin. Like, if you drive yourself out there

five lanes, whatever it is off the racetrack, I don't know what I understand why it becomes my obligation to let you back on the race track. You know, if I feel like if you knock a guy out there, yes, you should absolutely give him the room to come back. But if you're trying to gain an advantage by swinging out wide off a corner or kind of, you know, you blitz it into six there, race and Shane, because you know you got plenty of

racetrack to use up. I don't think it should be Shane's obligation. I don't think it should have been McDowell's obligation to leave you room to get back. And now, by the way, they're going to leave your room to get back on the racetrack and you're going to be in position, better position than them than for the next corner. So I'm spot off for, I think, I don't think it should be expected. I think they obviously could absolutely. Shane definitely did not take his normal line in the seven. And for the reason, you know, he's probably, because he knows if he does, you're going to have a nose on him and you're going to pass him and be gone. And in the same thing with them guys. Like, I just don't think it should be

if you're driving out there, it's not my problem that you drove out there. Why do I have to let you back on the race track? It did become his problem, actually. It did. Yeah, it did. Because somebody forgot the lift. Yes.

No, I definitely, I accept the blame. Thanks. Well, I don't want to lie to you. Sorry. I mean, where are you at? Honestly, just spot off because people got wrecked.

At the end of the day, it was 19 to go, and we should have still finished first and second one way or the other. So I'm spot off for the wreck, but I think the racing part was probably more just a racing deal with our situation. Like, Shane was trying to keep us wide, and we have to get back on at some point. And we did have position in the six, so we were just side by side at that point. The other deal was probably a little more. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that, and Tommy, you may disagree with me.

I don't think Austin intentionally wrecked McDowell. Like, I don't think it was like the hook at Indy that he's still, but he definitely, he wrecked him. He wrecked the hell out of him and caused a big wreck. I just think he gets to a point, and he uncorks. I mean, just his mental capacity changes, you know, something happens at that point in time when you should be able to stay a little bit more focused, right? I can't believe he lined up behind me on the last restart. I was scared.

I was so scared. We chose in Congress said, oh, no. I was like, oh, boy. How was the... Go ahead. I'm sorry. I knew something was going to happen with him before that when he turned you going into one because he went in and rode right behind you.

Right? And I'm like... He's like, he's already getting ready to do something. And you could see, if you watch it back, I'm sure, I don't know if you have or not, but like you can see he kind of breaks for the corner and then throttles up again to make sure he gets through your bumper and not. It's not like he just got in hot and overcooked it. Like he hit his brakes.

He had his corner. and then he kind of throttled up again to get to you. The one thing that I did want to ask you about was the new restart zone, which you ran there last year. So how much different was that, like getting through seven and how much, I want to say help, turn one, but you got ran over and turn one anyway. Yeah. But how much different was that this year first year?

It definitely changed it. You know, the outside worked a little better. It widened. It spread us out going into one, but it just made it weird. Like it was, I don't know how to explain it, but the restarts were just interesting. different. I didn't like it as much, I don't think, but I'm not opposed to it. Like, I don't feel like we wrecked in turn one quite as big as we usually do.

So that's, I guess, a good thing. But clearly it didn't stop us from wrecking. Yeah. It was easy to call that restart zone, wasn't it? I've seen some more deer, I think, over there. I've seen cars. Dude, he called me clear one time. I literally apologize.

I look in my quarter mirror, and I'm like, I am not clear at all. He comes off Apex of 7 and it looks clear. And then he comes under that bridge and they're like, door to him like, nah. My bad. He had next cost him like, hey, that was old me. The wreck, I forget it. It wasn't even a wrecked. But I think it was like Kyle Bush and Danny got together in front of Bubba. And I was just like, keep coming, I guess. I don't even know.

Because they're wrecking behind that bridge, which they got all those panels on. You can't see anything behind the bridge. We were lucky they never wrecked on a restart instead. Yeah. There's two spotters now sitting at this table. you've run how many road course races so far? This year? Five?

So do you think there should be some major changes on spotting for moving forward of what they need to do at these tracks for you guys to see better? Or do we need 12 spotters per team? No. I mean, what other series in the world has spotters? I'm going to kick you at his fucking room. You're going to be walking around with two broken arms. I think my opinion is like, and we've kind of worked. on this. We have like a little bit of a group now that works with NASCAR a little more from the

spotter side. And I think just kind of getting ahead of those places that we go to. Like we went to Mexico and none of us had any input on the spotter stand until you get there. And by the time you're an hour before practice, it's too late to make a change. Yeah, the main spotter stand in Mexico was. I was down there with the little flag. Not ideal. Yeah. It was bad. So like we've tried to get ahead of that maybe going to new places next year and just going back to other places that we already go to make it better because I feel like a lot of times we just kind of get stuck somewhere and then we get there and like this don't work but there's no option for us to move they've already sold seats so we're trying to get ahead of that for next year where we don't really have to add more people but

the guys we have are in better locations all right next topic uh NASCAR should consider putting gravel traps grass or something similar back at the exits turns one to five and six spot on spot off Connor um I am a fan of grass and curbs and you know forcing you to stay on the racetrack so I would say spot on. I just don't know what that would create, especially gravel. Gravel would create so many cautions. But I do think that the amount of asphalt that we have to work with is too much. So spot on, but it would need to be something very well thought out to make it work.

Yeah. I mean, at this point, I'm almost Tommy. I remember, I mean, we had the exit of five used to be grass right on the, right at the surface and then turn one we had that big gravel trap. I think, did they move the gravel in six or like, because I feel like it's further, I think like you use more runoff. Now, there's still gravel there, but it feels like it's further away now. But yeah, I just think like Connor said, like we're seeing these accidents because you're

able to just run out there. And then when you get out there, you're just coming back and hoping the guy gives your room and we doesn't give your room. We have SVG rack. We have that huge wreck down the backstretch. You know, you got shit that's like if, like, like, you're, like, you're Like, if you give these, or I said it on here a million times, you give them an inch, they're going to take a mile. So, like, I think you have to kind of put these guys back in a box where they can't just use all these fucking lanes.

It's crazy how it's changed over the years because it only took one guy to start doing all that, then everybody's doing it because we never used to use, not even one as much as we did now. And, you know, again, there's a lot smarter people. You know, we can say a lot of things, but ultimately they're doing it for safety, right? They've measured all this. They understand all these things. what happens with the, you know, the car, with the speed, with the grass, when the car hits the grass, what happens when it hits the wall? And, you know, they know so much more.

They have so much data on it. I think a lot of it, they, it's because of for safety. And number one, and number two, when we had all that gravel, when a car got stuck, there was always a caution, right? So, I don't know, man. I don't know even know what to do. I mean, if you put walls there, you're going to wreck, right? And I don't know. It's just make it to track, right?

I mean, move the curbs and make it to track, and then it's the track. I don't know what else to... Yeah, that's where I'm at. Like, spot on, they need to keep them closer to the track, but it's going to be bad if there's gravel everywhere in the track's narrow. You're going to get bigger wrecks and a lot longer caution that's going to really drag it out. I mean, that race was done. I think that was the fastest.

It seemed like a two-hour race, I think. Yeah. Which is perfect. Yeah. It should be all be two hours. I don't know. Who ever? I don't know.

I'm assuming it's like strategy related, but I feel like the cup race, the Xfinity race, and the truck race were all the same length. You know what I mean? Like it was like 75 laps, 80 laps, 80 laps, it was like,

why are we so, or 82 laps and 90 laps? It was like, why are we so close in distance, which the damn, all those other two races were, they had to be longer than the cup race, right?

I would assume. Yeah, time wise. Yeah, time wise they both had to be way longer. It felt like. They were about like 40 or 50 minutes, I think. Oh, I mean,

we had to replace a wall in one of them. So it was all Hirschman's fault. Like, so long. Every time Hirschman put his chair away, he's got a chair up there that he sits in like an idiot. And every time he put it away, we had a long red flag. So it was all. Drew Herring was. What was his rush?

Where was he going? At home, I guess. I don't know. Trying to get to the modified race. Oh, yeah. Shemung. All right. Next topic.

SVG wins his fourth race of the year by 11 seconds, breaking Tony Stewart and Jimmy Johnson's rookie for most wins by a rookie. He's the most dominant rookie in driver in the Cup series. History. spot on, spot off, Josh. Spot on for winning, but I wouldn't say he's the most dominant rookie. Things Tony Stewart did at all the tracks is a lot different, I feel like. He's probably the most dominant road course guy we've ever seen,

and I think maybe you'd have seen some of that if there were cars were different 10 or 15 years ago. But what he can do on road courses right now is dominant for sure. But, I mean, I think Tony winning at other places, I think his first win was Richmond. That's a lot different than being good at road courses, I think. Yeah, I agree. I don't know how he's going to lose a road course. Like if everything goes, like, unless obviously you've had bad luck, untimely caution, something like that,

like unless numb nuts over here gets a cup ride next year, like I don't know who's going to race with him. Like, he is just dominated this year. It hasn't really been close. We'll see this time next year. Oh, I agree. But, you know, and there's somebody coming that maybe has an announcement sometime in the near future that can race with him.

Now we've seen him be able to race with him and then wreck the shit out of him. But, you know, it's just, I just, I just, some guy, they're coming. I want to meet him. I want to meet. Raise your hand if you know it. Oh, he can't raise his hand. Raise your left hand. But, I mean, it's just, it's incredible.

And like you said, it's, it's a lot of it is just execution. You know, it's just knowing when to push, knowing when, you know, when to just kind of ride. But, yeah, I agree with Josh. I don't know that he's the most dominant. His stats are going to be the most dominant because he's going to have, you know, all these wins. But, yeah, it's kind of not really comparing apples. And he'd say the same thing.

Yeah. He understands there's a lot of work to be done everywhere else. And that's honestly been the most phone we've had this year is trying to learn everywhere else. How much, I mean, we talked, Tommy's talked about what we talked about a little bit. But, like, how much have you seen that progression on his side of it driving-wise? I mean, the guy went out. If you, the perfect example is the damn legend car. He was lost week one, that thing.

Like, it was, it was fun to watch. And then by the end of the thing, it's like, whatever, 10 weeks or eight weeks, he won a race. So it's like, how much has he progressed just on oval? A ton of progression, and we really haven't been anywhere for the second time yet. A lot of places have still been new and just firing off the truck, and we've worked on so much different stuff, whether it's practice and kind of closing that gap to qualifying. And I feel like he's to the point now that he can do it for short spurts.

It's just putting whole races together to where he can run top 15 to start getting the top tens. But for the last month and a half, like if we execute, we've been top 20. And I think that for right now, for him, that's awesome going places at first time. So it's been a lot of fun and a lot of work, but it's been a lot of fun. Nice Motorsports fires Caden Honeycut after he signs a contract for 2026 with a toil-a-to-you-a-a-team. Spot-on, spot-off, Freddie. First of all, did you see Cody's statement, E-Fall? Well, I saw the initial tweet was not good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but did you see Cody did, like, an interview with someone. Did you read it? Yes. Okay. All right, you could speak then. So. That was a nice tea up. Yeah, it was nice.

And that's where my opinion changed was like when I saw the tweet from Neese, last week, I was like, this sounds ridiculous. Like it was whoever, that was a poorly crafted tweet to where it basically just sounded like, this guy signed with another team and we're firing him because of that now, you know, immediately. You get into it a little bit more and it sounds Tommy a little bit more manufacturer related than it is anything else. Because obviously he is leaving Nice Motorsports. He is signing with a Toyota team.

You could probably put two and two together that he's going to be the one that replace Heim and the 11. But, I mean, does it just come down strictly to manufacture? here? Yeah. I think they had a heavy hand in the decision-making. And I still don't understand why. I don't think they were going to start anything until the season was over, right? Simulation or anything with Toyota.

And what could you, I think they just took somebody out of the championship, chance to win a championship for the manufacturer. So I'm not too sure if that was a good decision because he's a good race car driver, right? And man, he just gave another manufacturer a chance to... Yeah. Like, he is, if you're truly, and I feel bad for the guys on that truck. You know, the crew chief, the team guys, they've worked their whole season to try to win this championship. And Caden very clearly was going to be their best option to win a championship, or at least race for it.

And now, you know, it's just, I feel like you've taken that opportunity away from them, guys. I don't know who's going to drive the rest of the year. They put some other idiot. in there this week. He was driving through the dirt and I sent him in the gravel. Yeah, it was a bad day. It wasn't going to be, though.

I wrecked every, no, it was going to be a good day. But I wrecked every corner of that thing. My note was, have you finished a truck race yet? Are you still running into shit? Thanks. I wasn't running into anything. Well, that's true. You did get run into quite a bit.

Yeah, I did wreck every corner of that truck. But it was fun. It's just the truck series is a mess. That's what, I forget. somebody told me the same thing. Somebody's like, I haven't gone back and run a truck in a while. I can't remember who it was.

And they're like, the midpack of that truck series is a disaster. Getting back to the niece guys, that's a great group of guys. They are. The whole team,

I mean, they're a bunch of racers and, yeah, that's the thing that I, that's the field I get. Yeah, fills on my truck and like Cody,

Eiffal, like they just, they don't want to deal with the drama. They just want to race. Like, they didn't want to have to get rid of Kaden. They didn't want those circumstances to happen.

but they were basically left with no choice. Like once Chevy caught wind of what was going on and realized what was happened, I think Cody said in his interview, like when you can't go to the simulator, you don't have these resources. You lose Josh. Yeah, your chances of winning a championship quickly diminish,

and eventually you have to choose the future of your team over the hope of something happening this year. So, yeah, it was a very tough decision for them. And I talked to Cody about it, he said, you know, this isn't what we want to do. This isn't, you know, the way we wanted things to go. Obviously, it hurts our team. You know, it's not good for anybody, but, you know, they were left with no choice. So, you know, I hate it for Caden. Obviously, I feel bad that, you know, this has to happen to him. But, you know, it's just bad circumstances. Yeah. And Josh, luckily for him, I mean, I hate to say luckily, but the timing works out pretty well for Caden to where, unfortunately,

he gets hurt. So now there's a Toyota seat available in a really good truck for him to get in and now go back and contend for this championship. To me, it's a weird situation. Like, are you hurting yourself more? Are you helping yourself more by taking him out now or hurting yourself more that he gets 10 races with Toyota? Yeah, you're racing against him. You're kind of letting him try out and get. I think they made a big mistake. Yeah. Whoever decision it was, they made a mistake. You know, at the end of the day, whoever was the one that pulled the trigger and said,

we have to get rid of this guy, I think it was the wrong maneuver. It's probably benefiting Caden more than anything at the end of the day. And like Tommy said earlier, shout out to Caden. Deservedly so, he's going to get an opportunity next year. That's going to be really good stuff. And he's just a really good race car driver. I've been saying, you know, you watch him in the late model. He does really well.

Everything. Everything he gets in. He's a racer, man. You talk to him. He's just, that's all he's thinking about is just race cars. All right. Last topic. Elton Sawyer told Sirius XM NASCAR radio, he thinks a horsepower increase is the right move,

but wouldn't happen until 2026 at the earliest. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how much horsepower it's going to take to make a change. I know they did try some stuff in New Hampshire a couple weeks ago in a test, and they were surprised on some things that happened. Surprised in a good way or a bad way? I don't think it was in a good way. Which is really a surprise to me, because I've been the one that we've talked about it,

even when Mark was on here, about 100 horsepower would make a difference. difference, and I don't think it made much of a difference to move the needle. But New Hampshire's hard, right? That's a hard place to judge by. I think, again, if you add that horsepower to a place like Richmond, a place like Martinsville, and keeps softening the tires a little bit more, you're going to see some better racing. But, yeah, we'll see. And I think the big thing is for me, and Redick said this back on our show, I think two years ago, maybe a year and a half ago, he said, you're not going to, you're not going to flip the switch and add more horsepower and make the racing great. He's like, unless you go ridiculous over a thousand horsepower.

He said, but, so Tommy, to me, like, is this, this is not like an end-all, be-all, this is going to fix everything if we get another 100 horsepower. Like, there's still some fundamental problems with this car that are not, that keep it from racing well in traffic, right? Yeah. And I think Denny mentioned it last week on his show. What's happening is everybody's honed into the setups now and everybody's, like, really close of what they're all doing.

And so it's even making it harder. You know, every time we have a major change, it takes a little bit for us all to figure everything out, some with better tools and more money figure it out before others. But then the garage gets to talking, and you get to hear things, and you get to try things in your own system. And now we're in the window, man.

We all know what to do at all these tracks and all honing into just a little bit of issues that we have. And it's getting closer. I think the top 30, sometimes 36 cars are separated by three, four-tenths of a second sometimes during practice. And during the race is, yeah, obviously more cars fall off, have issues during the race. But shit is hard, man, right now. I'm telling you, it is hard. Connor, how much different?

I know you haven't run the cup car a lot. But the biggest complaint that everybody has about the two cars is Xfinity car, the trailing car can be on offense. He can kind of dictate what happens. If you've got a better car, you can get to the guy in front of you. You can pack air. You can move him around a little bit. It's kind of flipped with the cup car where the guy in front is kind of controlling.

If he can arrow block you, then you're kind of at his mercy. Can you feel that, obviously, in the short time you've been around? Oh, yeah. It's crazy, honestly. And it's not a, I think horsepower can help, but it's not a fix. It's just you can't follow behind. guy and go through the corner with the same amount of speed. And that's just a simple answer.

Yeah, I don't really know what, I mean, we've had good races in the next gen air. It's not like it's impossible to have a good race. It's just a lot harder to because I feel like the Xfinity cars create a show every week and, you know, put on a great race basically every week. It's just there's good races and bad races with the next gen car. and that's kind of just how it's been all year long. And the past two years, you know, Kansas, for instance, like we've had some baller races at Kansas. We've had some really good races, but it's just, yeah,

it's missing something. You know, I don't know what it is, but it has potential, but I just, I want to see change. Like, that's, I mean, I think that's whatever, I think that's where everyone's at this point is just throw something at it. I mean, I know they're testing. I know that I know that I know that I'm, preaching to the choir.

Let's just go on the record, though. We've been wanting change to everything that we've developed for years. And it's never going to not be like that. I mean, they're going to make a major change. And again, we're going to adapt to it. You guys are too smart. Right. We're going to adapt to it.

And then we're going to be screaming for a change again, right? I mean, it's just the ebb and flows of our industry. It's just what happens. Taking diffusers off a year ago. Does that matter anymore? Yeah. It was cool, though. You know, we get the vantage point to see all these races from the top.

And, like, it's hard for me to put in words sometimes, but, like, how much more fun is it to Xfinity race than it is? Or even trucks sometimes, but the truck guys drive me insane. But the Xfinity races are, they're more fun to spot, even, like, especially plate racing. Yeah. Plate races, I mean, I said this, and it probably is not the right thing to say from a spotter standpoint. But Talladega, we ran, led to last seven, eight laps. And that was all I could do, talking and trying to make it happen.

didn't work out at the end, but it was, you felt like you mattered a lot. Then you get in the cup race and it's too wide around the bottom and you're run a tent. You're like, I can't tell you anything. Yeah, there's nothing to do. There's nothing. And it's just, it's awesome. Like, just how you can create runs and control runs and block runs and stuff like that. And just have more of an outcome on it.

Even road courses, the race with Shane, the six, seven last before we ended up getting together. It was awesome racing. Like, it was incredible. And then you look at the cup race and we race Blaney the first stage. And we were racing hard, but from TV, we were. just five back, but we're tongue out doing all we can. And it's the same, you're trying just as hard as we were trying on Saturday, but you just

don't see it. And Tommy, like, just to close this out, like, everybody see it all the time. Give us more horsepower, rip the diffuser off, take the underbody off. Like, it's, it can't be that simple. It's not. Trust me, everybody. Yeah, it's not that easy. We're going

testing. We're doing things behind the scenes of trying to make it better, but I don't know. If we were all in the older cars and we had this much information and this much technology, it'd probably be the same, right? Yeah, the cars would be reacting differently, but we would have been a lot closer in speed. We don't know what would have been back then if we were all within two, three-tenths of a second, you know. Knowing how it works right now, if they told us next week that we could show up with whatever you wanted.

Within three months, everybody would show up with the same stuff because that's what worked. Yeah. So it's, there's a lot of bigger stuff. And like, and the, the weird thing is if they said you can show up next week with everything you want, anything you want, nobody would be radically different, I don't think. You know what I mean? They would all kind of be in the same. Everybody knows what they need to do to make the cars go faster now because we've been doing this for three years with this car, or whatever, four years probably.

But it's, you know, this. If you said, all, here, you can do whatever you want. We'd all probably show up very similar to each other because you're all sharing information. But yeah, your point, like if somebody did hit on something, we would all have it. in the next three weeks or whatever it would be. But, yeah, it's just, listen, it's definitely a little flawed, but they're trying to do what they can to fix it. I don't know what that's going to take.

All right. It's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from the weekend's race, and here is the first call. Hey, man, all you Kyle Bush fans better change your name from a rowdy nation to abstinence nation. Better just pack up the Viagra. Ain't going to happen.

The Viagra. Well, summer shootouts over. Yeah, well, we did. He got one week. He got one win, one cup win. The fans got one week of reprieve. Yeah, he got one cup win because he won six Legend Car races. That was the rule.

We decided that that equal one cup win. I think he'll run the winter races over there. He might have to. Well, I can clearly say now that J.R. Motorsports needs to put a Rue patch in all Conner's cars. That way he can open it up, come up out of it, celebrate safely, get back in the car, and get out of type of. Thanks.

Good idea. Yeah, it's good idea. We have a refatch in every car. There is a new rule coming out Tuesday. Oh, boy.

Is there actually? The Connor rule, yeah. Oh. No, what do you mean? Oh. Is there actually? Yeah. What's the rule?

About getting on the car? Yeah. I haven't heard about that. Captain Hook strikes again. Maybe Austin Hill should consider a new profession. Maybe a hooker, since that's what he's best at.

At least he wore black gloves this time. Did he actually wear black gloves? Yeah, I saw that. Captain Hook was pretty good. Black gloves are definitely strategic. Well, Connor hit the ground faster than Xenity Mobile, and I hope he can heal it fast in Xfinity 10G.

SVG was, I think he said it, but when he's the PR person, yeah, that was funny. That was funny. I had to pay him 100 bucks to say that. We had a bet, we had a bet going. because his PR lady is like She's just

She's funny And she just She was so so mad about that It was the funniest thing ever Payton Yeah he went one week of saying it Nonstop and doing that And then the next week

Didn't say it one single time At Sonoma Like on purpose Yeah She was prime man I told him during the red flag Though Well she said every time

That he says that He says that she can go by a pair of golden goose So that's why she wants him to say it Yeah But I told him during the red flag That Xfinney tweeted that he's the most person say it the most ever in a year. Oh, good congratulations.

Yeah, that was my 57th time saying it this year. You didn't even get the chance to say it. I said it in my radio. They interviewed me under the red flag. I was in my car, and I came over the radio and said my car is as fast as Exfinity Mobile. How good would have been if he got up and, like, I fell in the fastest. Yeah, get it in a little more time. Yeah, just like, a infinity mobile.

The stretcher is not as fast as it. Send me my money. Oh. Just sitting here on the toilet, taking the next gen. This car is a pile of shit. Oh, God. I would agree, but I'd get suspended. I think it's great on the road courses.

I don't know. Yeah, Josh thinks this thing's perfect for roadcourt racing. Yeah, but there was a lot of coming and going at the end. Yeah. I mean, it's what we come down to. It's tires, I think, make the biggest difference of anything. That's usually what makes all the difference. Yeah.

Handling and tires. Strategy. Strategy. Strategy. Chris Wright fans better get their red solo cups out and start partying. There ain't no way he's winning shit show of the week. No way. And we have to, as much as we're on him.

You've got to give him credit. I thought he was going to win. I thought he had a chance. I thought Kristen kind of blew one of the corners. I'm like, oh, my God, this guy's going to win the race. I saw a tweet that was like, this guy did a really good job. He needs an Expedity ride. If he won, he was going to be on the show.

He was going to come on. I'm going to have to apologize. I don't know that he would have to apologize. I don't know that he would have agreed to come on. We might have to apologize on some of it. All right. So leave an audio message 24-7. Call our number at 704-802-9-572,

and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. Connor, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me guys. Connor, thanks, buddy. Feel better. Thanks. Don't do anything stupid. See you later.

Take your headset off. I'll call you. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Thanks. All right, it's time for Ask DBC, where you could send your questions in on X. using the hashtag AskDBC.

This one's from Joey. And more for Tommy, with Chase Elliott fans calling for Alan Gustafson to be replaced as Chase's crew chief, when do you know it's time to make a change? Tommy, how ridiculous is the fact that they want this guy replaced, first of all? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's very easy for people to sit back and say that

and not understand how good Alan really is. But look, at the end of the day, day, there end up might be a change, right? And I guarantee you the change won't be firing or getting rid of Allen. Yeah, he's not leaving. They might end up swapping crew chiefs, doing some things, seeing some, you know, new energy come in. But that's, I don't really think that's the problem. I mean, they're in the playoffs again. They're, I don't know. Let's see at the end of the year what what goes on but man allen's good i wouldn't uh i mean am i crazy is the guy not racing for the regular season championship doesn't have the best average finish of the year yeah just because he doesn't

win we need to like change everything yeah i don't they're doing fine they're just not winning every week he's right there though and chate i think chase has been pretty open about this you know that he this car doesn't really fit his driving style a lot and um but it just boggles my mind these people you know did you see did you see them at the end of the stage two years last yesterday Yeah. Did you see this? He stopped last one to go. Oh, no. I see that. He shut the engine off. I'm like, he must think it's... He, uh, he comes by and like you said, like when he got to the line, he put clean cut, saving fuel. And I'm like, wow, is he saving that much? And then I realized what, yeah, the, I think it was 42 caught him.

He fired up and took off again. And I was like, Trey, you guys fucked that up. He's like, oh, yeah. I think it was Trey on the, unfortunately for Trey. Oh, boy. But, uh... We flipped stage and we were like, 30 back. I'm like, I think that nine shot off. Keep digging. It was, yeah, but it's this, this question, I think is just so moronic from this, is that particular fan base just they don't know. I don't know what they, I don't know what more you want. I know the guy who only won one race this year, but.

So far. Yeah, but it's just, I don't know. The problem for me is you replace Alan with who? Like, you're going to take Chad out of the front office and bring him on the box? He don't want to do it. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I just don't, yeah, it is what it is.

But yeah, I don't agree with it, but it's, I'm sure it's never going to change. All right. Let's go to Shit Show Hall of Fame. We'll nominate someone each week and the fans will vote on who gets included. There was a tie last week. A tie. Yeah. Chris Wright's having a good week.

He did not fully win. He just tied. He finished second twice. Yeah. With the Cars Tour, late model stock crash. Who's got it this week? I got a list. I mean, there is, well, first of all, Connor Von,

volunteered himself in the text message he sent me on Saturday night. He said, I'm a shit show of the week. And I said, it's going to be hard to beat probably. So Connor definitely has to be on that list. Connor might make the list twice because he also maybe shit show for wrecking Shane. He didn't wrecked him. He didn't wreck him. You know how awkward that is for me?

What the fuck were you watching? He did not. He drove into his left rear corner right rear quarter paddling wrecked the fuck out of him. No. Not on purpose. It doesn't matter if it's on purpose. he wrecked the fuck out of him. I know he didn't do it on purpose, but it did happen.

Same with Austin Hill. I don't think he did it on purpose, but it happened. That's a little bit different. Okay. It's because you're fucking like this kid. You don't like the other kid. No, no. I would tell him.

I've been yelling at him. I've yelled at him all last week about Iowa. I'm just saying. Don't you worry. He gets in. Oh, I know. He, trust me. I know he gets it.

So obviously the Austin Hill, McDowell wrecked down the backstretch. that was, fuck, a nuclear bomb going off is one. I don't think we need to put Zillich on there twice. Why? Why not then? Well, because we don't have it. I got a fucking list of eight things over here we got to talk about. I personally don't want to see the video anymore because it trained it way too much on Saturday Night's.

Oh, yeah. This tow truck. Did you see this, Josh? I did. That's a hell of a block on the track. I mean, this tow truck, I found out it was a tracking can. Is that RECA 1? I think that's Johnny Denison and Rekker 1.

I don't really know what that's that's the leader they're under green obviously we'll tweet these videos or retweet the videos this is varney speedway in Canada I don't know what the hell's going on you need to explain it because the people that are listening and they're not watching or complaining that we're doing this but I'm sure they've seen it because I got tagged in this video a thousand times a tow truck drives across the racetrack I don't know why he's going from the outside to the inside of the race track while the leaders are coming and realizes that I think midway and throttles up but does not make it by any...

Do you think he was aiming for that hole to try to get... Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he had to have been. He's like, Mm-hmm. Uh-oh. Like, what? A couple people texting

said, I think he was coming back from a beer run. Yeah, that would have been definitely record one if that was the case. But that one, this flag man, this was at New Paris Speedway, I think, or Paris, Paris. Yeah, New Paris Speedway in Indiana. What's this guy thinking?

I don't, what? Does he do that every week? I don't know. So the flag man is basically standing on the star finish line and throwing the green flag as the entire field is bearing down on him. Like, I don't understand. Was he too late? They take off too early and he was supposed to climb the fence? I remember Ray Mortrow-Rat.

I remember Dutch Miller used to do this with the figure-8s. Bruce Null did it for the figure-8s for everyone I was racing. They would start at the star finish line and run away from the pack. No, they used to start at the X. Yeah, yeah. So I'm saying, oh, the finish line would have been in the figure-8. Not to start finish line. Finish line.

In the middle, like the finish line for the figure eight would be in the intersection, basically. So they would start in the middle of the intersection and run back.

But at least they ran away from the cars and jumped on a wall. This guy just like, he sidesteps the, the, the whole field. Let me step out of the way.

You see that a lot and they run to the infield, like do it from the infield, like, do it from the infield, like, do it from the wall. I'm just going to let him go by. I don't know what that guy was.

So I think we're going with, we'll put Conner on the list just because he nominated himself, just for the fucking wrecking himself out of the car. The big wreck in Exfinity, the tow truck. How about a... And the flag man, maybe, I don't know. The pace truck that was backing down the backstretched,

Daniel Dodger smoked him. Yeah, I just saw that. What the hell's going on here? And that's a spot where it's kind of hard to spot that. You can't even, like, from the bus stop, you wouldn't be able to tell that truck's backing up, you know? But I think it's those, so it's Connor, Austin Hill wreck, the tow truck and the flagman.

And we'll see who wins. We'll tweet those videos out. But yeah, I mean, this was the most I've had on my list. I had the 8 or 9 things on here. Connor Daly getting intentionally wrecked. It looked like that was a big wreck. Is he okay? I think he's okay.

He was tweeting about it last night, so I think he's okay. That was a hard hit. Remember to vote on our shit show Hall of Fame Twitter poll, who you want to see inducted into the shit show Hall of Fame each week. Yeah, time for DVC picks. Fucking Sunshine wins with my guy. The guy's got one eye

and broken back and he wins. My pick doesn't even race. He's out there with a broken chicken wing. No one even told me that I picked him and I could have picked SVG. It says on the sheet. You can't pick him again to the playoffs.

It does say on the sheet. No, you just put that. I was saving him and you guys reset. God. Dang, and I'm the only one had him. None of your friends told you that you could changing. No, of course. Yeah, you want a friend. You buy a dog. Remember that.

That was Rufus anyway. Rufus? I left this morning. He was out and about. I yelled at him. He stopped. Checking the neighborhood out. And I drove away and all of a sudden he's like, kept walking. The good news is, Tommy, you get to pick first this week. Oh, great. Where do we even race at? Richmond this week. I'm going for

Hosevar. Hosevar. Are my next? You are next. I will take Brad Kislauski Carson, what about you? Carson I guess Carson didn't send her picking

Austin Dillon's available for her He's got a really good entry speed there He can get the center next to the turn Should we just pick somebody for Carson? Yeah, they want me to pick for her? Yeah, you'd pick for her. Catherine Legg, no Jimmy Spencer

You want to think Jimmy Spencer? I'll get her, I like this I'll give her Chris Bisher He's pretty good there That's a good pick for her So I'm the guest, Josh Barry Is that one of my open picks? Yeah, that's a good thing.

That's my, that was the other guy I was looking at to pick there. So Thomas, how was, uh, how was your modified race this week? Oh, man. Destroyed it. Like, did like junk, right? Throw the car away. I'm just glad Luke's for, for, I tweeted something. I kind of got a little flack for, but a lot of people didn't understand.

I said, I hate this race. Um, wasn't, I didn't make, I think people thought maybe I'd misspelled like hate this racing. It's that race in particular. Um, just we haven't had a good history. It's the same race. Unfortunately, Tom, Sr. lost his life. John Blew III lost his life in that same August race at Thompson.

And, I mean, it's just sickening. And then you see, you watch Luke fucking pound the fence, pretty much the same spot John did. I was like, man, I hate even watching this race. What broke on this car? What happened? I saw that really. It started from the wreck before that the spotter cleared his driver right into Luke. And something obviously was bent from there.

And I was getting ready to actually pull him in once the 59 car went a lap down because we were the only car a lap down at the time. and trying to get a caution and just stay in a lead lap, get back, work on the car a little bit. But, yeah, something broke from that wreck. You know what I wanted to ask you about before this comes like? Because I think it's going to be maybe a week before we see it come up. And I meant to bring this up in the honeycut topic. Where are you at on freezing applying for a waiver?

It's the rule, right? He's allowed to. He's allowed to. He's absolutely allowed to. Let's apply for it, right? Yeah, Josh. I mean, if here's if you know, and I don't. I'm not a doctor.

I don't know for sure, but I have to assume that Stewart's not coming back this year. Like, it seems pretty far-fetched to believe he's going to come back in the next two months or whatever it is. Do you think it's right to take up a spot if you have no intention on racing? I don't. I don't, obviously, we know he's hurt and all the stuff with this pelvis and stuff. But if you know you're not coming back, I don't think it's right.

Like, what are you, you're just trying to get the money and guaranteed. point spot, I guess. Yeah. And I think it's kind of tough to say. And Bob tweeted something like it was like for the driver's standings of it, it was like from 10th to 20th was like a $7,000 to $10,000 different or something like that. So it's not like it's an absorbent amount of money. It's more to it than the money.

Well, what is it? It's politics, manufacturer politics. I know. That's the thing is it's obviously there's the problem is he's a Toyota team. There's two Ford's sitting on the cut line if he does not race. I just, we had this situation with Kurt back, you know, the year he got hurt. had already won Kansas, and he knew he wasn't coming back, so he did not take the waiver. He did not.

I don't remember if he applied for it. But he kind of forfeited his spot in the playoffs to let whoever else back in, if I remember that correctly. I just, I don't know. I get a weird feeling about it. Like if you don't, and I know there's a lot more to it, politics-wise, of trying to keep other manufacturers out of the playoffs. But I don't know. I don't think I'd have a great feeling about it if you're just burning a spot in the playoffs that you're not intending on using. Yeah.

I think that's probably it'll be the outcome as other people that make the decisions will know there's more to it as well. Yeah. At the end of the day,

it's the owner still fighting it out for the points. I mean, so I don't think it. And I think they'll be pretty good with Caden that truck through the points.

Oh, that'll be really good. Oh, yeah. The one last thing I wanted to touch on and I don't know how you guys feel about this, but Lee Diffey is fantastic at his job,

one of the best in the business. And if you're going to say you don't like the guy because of his accent that says more about you than it says about anybody else. Accents are great. I don't even, like it's, I don't care about it. I mean, obviously his accent, it's fun for us. We've had him on the show before.

It's fun to like give him shit about it and people mix up. They're like, oh, the British guy and he's obviously not British. But like, it's like, I don't care what he sounds like. The guy does a great job up there. You know, he paints a picture better than almost anybody in our sport. I mean, you're like, I don't want to. to harp on this because I know they get a lot of shit, but you compare that broadcast to the one you had on Friday. I don't care what the guy sounds like. Give me the guy that's on Sunday all

the time. You know, it's just, I don't understand the people that are coming after this guy just because he sounds a little different. Like it's... Because it's easy. It's just low-hanging fruit. Yeah. People look for something. I think he does a great job no matter what his accent is. And I think for 76 years, 77 years of NASCAR now, we've had most of the years we've had somebody with an accent doing the broadcast thing or pit reporting or something. It's been great. And watching Knoxville Nationals all weekend. They had the guy there with the action that was doing an awesome job.

Shout out, by the way. I mean, Alex Timms. Good job, Tims. Tim's way to go. Dominated. Tim, we just have the headlines in here for Timms wins the Knoxville Nationals. But shout out to Ryan Timbs, who just, I mean, that wasn't even a race. He killed him.

Like, it was really impressive. I think his first A-Main that he made 18 years old and goes out and just dominates the race. So good for him. Unfortunately, I did want to send our well wishes, condolences to the family of Robbie Brewer. He lost his life at Bowman Gray this week. It seemed like to me he maybe had a medical incident in the car that caused him to a crash. And who knows when, you know, that all transpired. But it's just, I didn't know Robbie well.

I don't think I've ever met him. But, you know, once we lose somebody in a racing family, we all kind of feel it. So shout out to his family, his friends, the people at Bowman Gray. I know he'll be sorely missed up there. And I don't think, Tommy, what we got? You're going racing this week, right? Yeah, we got the tour race at Richmond, the modified tour race.

We're building a brand new car. Hopefully it'll be done by Wednesday night to head to Richmond. And then Luke's got Anderson in the car's pro tour race on Saturday. I'm going to take Jack to Riverhead for my dad's Memorial race, and my dad and I are getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, Wall of Fame at Riverhead, which would be pretty cool. Get to do something with my dad again. And, yeah, that's going to be fun, man.

I'm going to really enjoy that day. I'm trying not to get aggravated. Well, good luck. It's hard at Riverhead not getting aggravated. Two things we're going to Riverhead with Jack. Yeah. The aggravation level might be a little bit higher. When is the modified on racing in Richmond, Thursday?

Thursday. You want to spot? No, I'm sure. I'll be there Friday morning. Sorry. Just stay home. Go get them. I would rather you spot because you win races.

I can't win a fucking race with a seven car. Since Tommy brought this thing back, like full-time, I spotted probably 20 races. We finished second. We've finished second. We've led and broke. I can't win a race this fucking car. Is there any right turns in the chat? I can only do the ones at the right.

And you only spot a quarter to track. Yeah. I can do the front stretch and a right turn. Josh, what are you got going on? Just going to go kick everybody's ass at Richmond, too, I guess. I hope so. I mean, I think Lane will have a pretty good shot Friday night in the truck. He does a good job in the truck series.

So go with that with him. It's the last race before. the playoffs, I think, and then just still working with Shane, just trying to maximize stuff. I feel like he does a pretty good job with short track. The one thing I did, I, I brought this up earlier and Tims will kill me for dragging this story out. I see your T-shirt, and I wanted to get into how you, just a quick backstory and how you got into the sport with your dad.

Long story. So my grandfather was general manager at the Martinsville Speedway for 25 years. So grew up around the track, riding bikes and sleigh riding and all that good stuff in the fields. You literally grew up. Your house is on the property. Yes. So when you turn into the racetrack, the first.

three properties on the right or all my family. My grandmother still lives there, cousins, everything. It's my parking spot. It is, right? Don't give it away. So I grew up there, and then my dad in high school, that's a funny story, but I'll shorten it up, had a hernia operation.

Well, back then you couldn't go to school for like three days. Well, just so happened, those three days, Dale Sr. was testing in Martinsville. So dad went down there, he didn't feel that bad, and hung out and met Dale. So my dad ended up working for Dale out of high school for 25 years until Dale passed away, 19, 2018.

So I just grew up around the souvenir side of it, mostly, and then just all the business side of it. And it's kind of how I got my start being around it. So pretty much didn't know anything different other than Martinsville hot dogs, which are good, by the way. Oh, yeah. That was a hot take. Larsson.

Larsson. Man. That's why somebody cut his brake line, because he talks shit about the Martin'sville hot dogs. So, yeah, I just grew up there and around racing. And what the hell I knew you're a hell of a golfer. What the hell made you choose racing over golf, you dumb ass? Well, if I was that good, I still do that. So I tell everybody, but growing up around racing, I was still playing golf and started playing with drivers, like playing golf with drivers.

And Scott Speed at the time needed a spotter and we were playing golf all the time. He's like, why don't you travel? We'll play golf on Saturdays and you can spot on Sundays. So I'm like, okay, just grew up around. I heard it, but I didn't know what I was doing. Well, the first NASCAR sanction thing I ever did was the night race in Bristol, the cup race. So that was bad. So that's my first, my first go at it.

But since then, just kind of got into that. Golf was fun, but I was never good enough to make a lot. a real career out of it. And last but not least, how is Brittany doing? I know she took a hell of a wreck a couple months ago. Kansas week, Brittany was in a pretty bad car accident and got rearing and flipped over a couple times and got busted up pretty good. Josh, Josh's wife.

My wife, Brittany Williams now. She used to be as a more, you guys might know her from ARCA, late models, Cain and stuff. But yeah, she was in a bad car accident. So I actually left Kansas and flew to Baltimore to be with her. That's the first race I've ever missed spotting. So that was a weird situation, but I need to be there for my family, obviously. but she's healing up good. She's getting close to being cleared to go back to work with her leg and her hand and everything.

But daily activities, she's doing pretty good. Still just needs to be clear to actually work and put in a good day's effort. That's good. We're glad to hear it. Thank you for everybody for listening. I saw a bunch of our northern DVC listeners this week at the racetrack. I'm sure we're going to see a bunch. There's some guys need you to sign some shit.

They keep asking me, I said, bring it to Richmond on Thursday. They're going to be there this weekend. So hopefully they get hooked up with you and sign everything. Get there early Thursday before he gets pissed off. Yeah, yeah. He might not sign after. But thanks for listening, everybody. We will be back next week with Bob Pockris.

Really? Yes, next week, yeah, on Monday. So we'll have a Sunday off, hopefully. No rain, and we get a little Sunday off, and then we'll come in back with Monday with old Bob. We got a couple good weeks coming. We got Bob next week, and I think Gluck's coming the week after that. Pocker ass.

We got old Pocker's. We'll have some phone with Bob. Pocker. That's what I call him. I'd bring the good guys back in after me, Connor. I see it. Yeah, yeah. We'll let you guys dip our ratings,

and we bring everybody right. Thanks again to Connor for showing up. I know he's not feeling great, so it took a lot of him getting it this morning. But Josh, thank you for joining us. It won't be the last time, I promise. It won't be the last time, I promise. Yeah, just go on another streak where you win every fucking race.

I don't have to have you really get here. But thanks for listening. We'll be back next week. Later. Check out Dirtymo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.