Door Bumper Clear - Jeff Gluck & Daytona: Blame it on Freddie

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Jeff Gluck joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge on today’s episode of Door Bumper Clear. Freddie breaks down Bubba Wallace’s wreck that took out nearly half the field, Tommy explains why fuel mileage made Daytona a good race, and Jeff shares why the 2026 schedule raises concerns for fans in certain regions of the country. Plus, the crew analyzes how Ryan Blaney went from 13th to the lead in the final two laps, debates whether Tyler Reddick was racing too aggressively, and discusses whether Cup drivers should be allowed to run more races in the lower series. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tag. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight, let's get it over with, let's knock each other out, and let's move on. I think he's a whiny. That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire seat on.

Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. I did not for you, motherfucketit. Yo, what's up, everybody? Welcome to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craps.

Spotter for the guy that wrecked the whole field the other night. Bubba Wallace. I had all, Dean Thompson also, which we made it through a wreck. I wanted to take a screenshot because we made it through a big wreck on the last lab, and everybody's like, oh, Freddy's amazing. And then next Sunday, I'm the worst goddamn spotter's ever been. But anyway, Tommy, how are you today?

Very well. Thank you. How was the 51 the other night? It was up front. Yeah. You guys were, you guys said the hell with fuel saving. We're going to go run wide open and lead some laps. What else are you going to do?

Yeah, might as well. I mean, might as well do something, right? Arby's appreciated it, I'd imagine. It was good. They sold a lot of shakes that night. But yeah, it was good. You know, that was our plan right from the beginning just to go out and race and have a good time and got ourselves in position where, you know, a lot of the guys could save,

and we could go race a little bit. And I think our guest, what he said, he said yesterday, that we've now led more lapsed in almost a third of the field for the year now. So that's pretty good. That's not bad. Yeah. Carson. No racing for me this weekend?

Did you get any sleep last night? No. Are we good? Like, where are we at? Dog is on the mend. Yeah. I went to a concert Friday, started the weekend off. Fantastic.

Went to Red Clay Strays. And then Saturday all went to hell because my dog decided to eat rat poisoning. So. But he's home now. He's on the mend. just got to keep a close eye on him for a few days. And I'm telling you it's always something. It's always something.

I text cars yesterday. You want to go to lunch? He's like, ah, well, I can't. Where was the rat poison? We were at my dad's shop and he found it somewhere in there. What a mess. Anyway, joining us today, one of our favorite guests to have in the house. We've changed his date a little bit.

He swapped his date up. I mean, he's like, he's coming back for Martin's place. He's like, nah, can we do it? Daytona? And I was like, yeah, why not? So Gluck, welcome back to Doorbumper Clear. How are you, sir? Thank you. No, I, like everybody else, was like, how's this show going to go when you guys retooled the cast? Because I've been a fan of the show since before I was with Dirty Moe. But it's been

a really pleasant surprise for me. I mean, I think you've been doing a great job getting the guests every week and mixing it up and getting good people. Carson, you've been an amazing host, really keeping these guys in line. And Tommy, I've never heard somebody. so hungry for cheese steaks every week Arby's he's so like God I love cheese steaks

Not only that but like I would imagine Because I'm doing the podcast thing myself I'm trying to learn how to do these ad reads It's not like you go to school And they're like okay here's how you do ad reads Tommy I don't know how many ad reads you've done But like you killed the Arbush ad read I wish you could be in the room for some of the ad reads

That don't make it to the air Yeah Yeah Well you read this things. I'm like, God, damn, these things are so boring, you know? And finally, I'm like, can we just do something? And it was like one take. There it was. That was a one hit. So that's all I was good for it. It's fucking cheese steak. I'm really glad to because I'm like, you know, Tommy's honest, but is he going to be able to be honest on the show? And like from the

very first episode, it's like, oh, yeah, okay. That's, that's the way. I kind of brought Tommy on to be like the harsh guy, like, you know, a little abrasive. And it turns out he's just TJ. He kisses NASCAR's ass the whole time we're on here. I don't know. That's not true. I don't know what happened. I lost. I don't know what changed in Tommy.

That is not true. Tommy has a really good way of, like, there'll be times when I say something or I think something and I'm pretty sure. And then Tommy will say something. It's so, it makes so much sense. I'm like, oh, shit. Maybe I got that, I got that one wrong. Like, I trust your opinion.

I'm going to give you my kids phone numbers. Maybe give them a couple. and, you know, tell, explain that to him. You know, he has a great perspective. So, no, I think it's been a great listen this year. So I'm happy to be on. Thank you for inviting me back. So I told you before we started, but I had a couple, you know, one of my notes for you was just, you know, talk about you.

I feel like you have a bigger connection with the fan base more so than like Jordan or Bob. Like Bob and Jordan kind of report the sport. I feel like you're maybe closer to the fan base just because a lot of your social media interactions and stuff. that you do to tweet up often um so my note was before we had these back-to-back 90% good race polls was is this the most fed before that was this the most fed up you've seen our fan base about the on track product it's gone in spurts i think a lot of the mood has been pretty bad this year um the fan sentiment has been pretty low but i think what the last two weeks have shown oddly enough is so much is about the on track product like when the race

races are good and people are satisfied or just even mildly satisfied with what they see, all like the other stuff seems to, like, you haven't even heard as much playoff angst and talk, and here we are about to go into the playoffs. And, but it was after Watkins Glenn that everything was at such a fever pitch because everybody was so unhappy with the product, I think, or what they're seeing out of the races, you know, a few weeks in a row. Everybody's like, everything sucks. Yeah.

You know, and this, this industry, the fan base seems to go. going these waves where if you get a couple weeks of good racing, it's like, oh, everybody's sort of in this good mood again. If it's three weeks in a row, I think it's sort of the number of like, kind of like, man, that race wasn't that good. And then it's, everything's like, what needs to change? What are we doing wrong? Where did this industry take a dive, you know, all the stuff? And see, after Walkins Glen, it was like, man, this sucks. And, you know, Richmond is going to be a bad race, short track race. And we're going to see the same crap at Daytona we've always seen, you know, stuck in line, can't do anything.

You know, there's going to be a late caution. They're going to be like, oh, the moment of caution and the controversy, and when did they push the button? So, like, the last two weeks have been so refreshing. Yeah. Because I don't think, I mean, I didn't expect it. And I don't know if the playoffs can keep it up. But yeah, I mean, in terms of the fan sentiment, though, like, I think it's just me spending too much time looking at X, which I need to do less of because it's toxic.

He like me. It can be. Tommy don't even have one. I don't know how. I'd have it, but I don't. It's not me. I followed the Tommy Baldwin racing account earlier this year. And then I realized it wasn't actually you tweeting.

You don't want me to tweet. Yeah, no, we don't. We've seen the text. We don't want them to tweet. No way. I think we'd all agree, though, the other night, it's coming off of the race the other night. And I don't know. I know you guys touched us a little bit.

But, I mean, Tommy, for me, that was, and you said this last week, and I think there's some different factors that contribute to it. That was the best plate race we've had in this car, right? I mean... Yeah, I mean, again, everything aligned perfectly towards the end of that race that things couldn't be as aggressive as people wanted to be, right? I mean, there were people up front that the people behind them did not want those people to win, right?

So there was no pushing. There was no... It was the weirdest thing. And once the 60 car, if you see, if you watch, once the 60 car got split hung out to dry, that's when the field just split up just enough that that third groove started a little bit. And that third groove was another guy that needed to win. And you had the five car behind, I guess which car was the five car behind.

Everybody. He was pushing everybody. 43, 60. And he could not push him to the lead because the 48. needed to get in the playoff. So it was just a perfect storm for everybody to be relaxed enough to create a really good, exciting finish. Yeah, if you watch, and it's it's kind of fun to watch, obviously I was out of the race, but I was still on the roof watching. You know, you get to a certain lap time and the third lane doesn't work. It's about 47 seconds. Most of the race were out there

running around mid-48s because everybody's saving fuel and whatnot. So you see a third lane form up because somebody wants to get track position. They drive up in there. we started that last run, which was whatever it was, 50 laps or something like that. And we fire off and Lugano's pushing the pace and it's 47 flat, 47 flat, 4680. And you can't get a second, a third line going. They can't move. And we're just two by two, two by two. Lugano backs the pace down a second to try to save a little bit of fuel because everybody was a little short.

So here we go. Now we're third lane again. But to your point at the end, once we start, once you, once the third lane gets there, it can maintain. The problem is that you can never really usually get there because the pace is so fast at the end. but like once they split priests and it kind of scattered all the lines and the third lane was able to get to like the second or third row it also helped that there was

a Penske car in the outside lane because if you watch that in car camera that's who controlled that line the 12 is just shoving the 41 by three rows of cars at a time and they were they're the strongest cars they've been the strongest cars and that helped a great deal Jeff if you you know you you watch

Ryan makes that lane go on the top like he's just pushing Custer and then what help was the 12 car didn't care who one. He didn't care if the 48 was in or not. Yeah. Right? The guys that behind the other two rows did, right? So he didn't care. He just pushed him. So he pushed him, right? I mean, two laps before

that, it's, the 51 is 12th, and the 12th car is 13th. Right? And he ends up winning the race, and, you know, we get scattered back to 19th because the bottom lane, which is normally the stronger lane, at the end, yeah. Went to the back, right? So

it was just a perfect storm for everything to work, right? And just like Richmond. The perfect storm was the tire, right? It was a tire. And I'm telling you guys, you know, we, there's more good stuff coming from Goodyear. And our racing's even going to get better on the short tracks. And I know we're talking about Daytona, but, you know, there's a lot of really good things coming in the future for our sport as far as what we're going to do, be able to do, and how we're going to be able to race. So, yeah.

And, Jeff, the funny thing I thought was, you know, everybody, you know, Ryan was 13th with two to go and wins the race and they're like, oh, what a run. And I'm like, he didn't do anything. Like, he just, the C's kind of parted for him where he, you know, he pushed the hell out of the 41, got him to the front row. Then the 41 and 7 start blocking each other, and Ryan just sees part.

And right next to you know, Ryan's leading to race and he's got to block a little bit down the front from the win. It's not that he didn't do anything. He elected he elected to go to the third groove. And how many, but how many times is that third groove work? It doesn't. It doesn't. Right? So, I mean, well, we talked

about it. But, you know, the 60s what made the third lane. Right. But, yeah, I mean, here's the thing, though, like, and maybe it's, maybe it's a low bar, but I just think that fans are like, man, we saw people be able to make moves at the end. So 13th to 1st, Suarez goes 19th to 2nd,

Jones goes 25th to 5th, I think. And that's, that's like, everybody's like, that's what we want, right? Like, because everybody thinks of Dale Senior at Talladega, you know, in the last few laps of his final win or whatever, being able to carve up through the field. And we think about the older generation of plate racing

and how you could, you know, you'd see guys dropped the back, and then the great plate racers could figure out how to take runs and go. And even if it was the perfect storm, I think people are just like so like, oh, thank goodness. Like that, we were able to see some movement. But not to say it, to your point, to Tommy's point.

I can get a list for you if you love. Um, that, that's a really interesting observation about Larson was the X factor because Larson is, normally you'd have somebody in the second row shoving the shit out of somebody and everybody's in the gas and not letting off. The fact that he was like, I'm not pushing any of these fuckers. Like, I'm, like, normally Chevy would say, push a Chevy like no matter what. He's like, I don't. I think it was to 43, right? He was pushing. He knocked 43 out of the way. Then he split Ryan. He was the third lane's best friend. Yeah. He was the one that was trying to... He had to get Bowman in. Yeah. So he had to lay off any new winner, which was like all the cars in front of him. So there was two reasons why this race was really good. And I'm going to say it, and you're going to go, oh, crap.

Fuel mileage, saving fuel made the race good. It did. Because there were a lot of people during the race that said, hell with the fuel mileage. And came from 25th, right? Right? I mean, there was, came from 25th to the front or played a little, you know. We knew that we just needed to get to lap 113 after all the cautions to fill up and put ourselves in position. At the end of the day, it didn't matter where anyone was going to be.

It was everyone came in on that, with the white one to go and paid the penalty, half the field did. So at the end of the day, what did everybody do, right? I don't know. And the points, the playoff system is, what made that race good, right? I mean, just look at all the, you had what, the top four of the top five guys that needed to win, right? There's like five out of seven, right?

At the end? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Just, I mean, all the stuff that we've been negative about up until Saturday made it a really, really good race. I think about it. Everybody looked and seen what the Pennsky cars have obviously controlled these races, and they've done so saving fuel, you know, but they did it from the front.

So now it's like you're always, you know, we didn't have this emphasis on it. But like you see what they do. They short fill on pit road. So they're the first ones off pit road. Then they get to the lead and now they can control the pack. Whether it's three wide, two wide, whatever it is, they just get to the lead and that's where they control their fuel saving from.

Everybody else is like, I'm going to save fuel in the back and then help to jump you on pit road. They're like, no, fuck it. We'll just, we'll come off pit road first. We'll control the race and then we'll save fuels with the track. position already. So then that's what I think everybody this year has seen like, I got to drive to the front. And then when I get to the front, that's when I'll start to back the fuel saving up. But it was... It's a 15 to 20 lap swing on what you want to do, how you want to save fuel, you know, at a place like that. You know, you can go from 5.2 miles per gallon to 7.4, right, just on the

amount you save. And we're watching everybody. I mean, we can see what everybody's doing. And so, And so, you know, obviously so can everybody else on pit road. So it's a very technical. It's this restrictive plate racing, I call it restricted plate racing, has become very technical of what we're doing. And it's getting harder because everybody's getting smarter, right? But I think there's a lot of people starting to understand that saving fuel is not necessarily

the thing to do, right? Well, the thing is, like, if you can, if you can make it at the end of the race where it's racy like that. The only reason we were saving fuel is because you couldn't pass. You know, I mean, once you got locked down, if you were the first one off pit road, you were going to be in position to win the race. It was going to be two by two. You couldn't, you were locked down. You couldn't go anywhere. Now if we're seeing, you know, a little change in the philosophy of the car where we can race a little more, Ryan's coming from 13th on the last lap to win the race or two to go, whatever. Now you don't have to put such an emphasis on, you, you know,

being the first one off pit road, being the guy that's in control at the end because, you know, now we've seen, you can, you can come from kind of. of anywhere as long as it gets as long as it gets as racey as it did look if they were different leaders if there were leaders that were already in the championship it would have been a completely different race yeah that's what yeah end the story they would have they probably would have been a wreck right and there would have been a not a new winner right and everyone would have been happy but it was just a perfect so i'm just thinking about this so you're saying so help me out understand I'm trying to think of how this can be replicated for Talladega, right?

This will be in round three. So you could have a bunch of teammates who, similar to Larson, don't want to push somebody else that their teammates race against into the final four because that's what Taladega will be. Exactly. So you could actually have a similar circumstance where you'll have some guys potentially laying off guys at front. Like, I'm not going to put this guy. My guy needs getting the final four.

I'm not going to push this guy over him in points with a win. I mean, maybe. Exactly. What I preached by Larsen was he didn't, you know, he didn't lay off of anybody by any means. You know, he was over-aggressive, you know, almost like, you know, he split Ryan. He was the one that split Ryan to the middle. Then he was the one that kind of shoved the 43. Hold on.

He split Ryan because he knew Ryan was the best car up there. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Right. Then he stopped. Then he stopped. There was too, you know, any given time, if you look at the throttle and the amount of a throttle they were doing.

They could have just stepped on the gas and pushed, you know, and it would have been on, like, both roads would have took off, and there wouldn't have been a third row formed, right? But he was like, I'm not going to be the guy that's not my teammate out, right? That's what I'm saying, yeah. I'm not going to be that guy, you know. Yeah, but it was almost, it wasn't, it was him being over aggressive. Not, no, he wasn't over, he didn't do anything wrong.

He was just, I'm not pushing this guy, so I'm going to split him. You know, I'm going to put him in the middle. I'm going to shove the 43 until maybe I get him a little out of shape and not. him up the racetrack. You know, it was, it was, and at that point at the end of the race, like, I think he said in this interview, like, I'm just pushing the hell out of this guy. Like, I hope he hangs on, but if not, you know, it is what it is kind of. But, yeah, I don't, speaking of Rex, I'm sure there's one everybody wants to talk about.

I don't know. Why'd you do that, Fred? Yeah, what the hell, Freddie. Well, you know, we had to get Reddick into playoffs is what it was, honestly. You know, once I saw Reddick wreck, I was like, you know, if we can just, if I can just clear him all the way to the bottom while there's two cars underneath us. I think there's a good chance we collect Bowman and get this deal done. Listen.

Every click bait site's going to pick that up. Oh, absolutely. Listen, Tommy will be brutally honest with me. I know that. I kind of heard a little bit of your take the other night or last night on the tear down. But my bias opinion, we miss a block on Blaney in three and four where Bubba was like, he's like, I was too loose to get down there and block. Our car was really, really free to start this race.

And it just came to a point where we got, we didn't get that block. So now what I'm doing off of four is telling Bubba, pick up the five in your mirror. That's how we're going to get the best run down the front straightaway. Just square the five up in your mirror. Like I'm, I fucked up by not telling Bubba we were three wide. I don't think Bubba was moving to the left either way. But we were too tight to the other guys because Blugano comes off a four. He loses a nose.

So now he's up a lane higher than he really wants to be. the eight plugs the bottom. Now we're three wide. I'm more worried about trying to build a run from behind. So I'm trying to square the five up behind us and get the run down the front stretch. And for me, again, probably biased opinion. You see we're all tight together here. The second the five gets to us, we get a little squirly right here, puts us on Joey's fender,

and we can never get off of it because we're three wide. I think it started with the 12 car moving up on you a little bit. Well, he was fine, but it started because we were too tight to the 21, which was 22, which is my fall. But, you know, the 5 doesn't do anything wrong. He just gets in the back of us just a little bit right there, turns us, and now we're on Joey's Fender, and we can't get off. Like, once you get on the guy's fender and he's got something below him. I like to see look back at, you know, you guys go back, look at SMT. When the 12 car moved up, did Bubba get out of the gas a little bit?

Because if he did, that's what really started. Well, maybe with the 5, you know, putting the 5 harder on us. you know listen if there's anybody to blame it's me for not getting out that we were three wide already but again it's bubba's i take for granted a lot bubba's very aware in the car and he knew joey's on his quarter panel he knows you know he probably didn't know that these eight was down there um so that's my fault but again i think the wreck got triggered jeff and i think you talked about this the other night when the five just gets to our bumper just a little bit and just knocks a little not did nothing wrong no one was an aggressive push wasn't overaggressive by any means

he just knocks us a little bit squarely and we get on the 22's fender and can't get off of it. And that's what triggered the wreck for me. Now, if you guys see that it was all my fault, you'd be happy to tell me. Well, yeah, it was your fault. There's three really bad spots in Daytona that you cannot touch anybody.

The worst is the tri-oval. That is where the car is the least down force stuck in the racetrack there is around that track. The second part is off four. That's because usually that's where everybody has the most wheel in the steering wheel trying to get off there because the way the place is built, it's weird.

Sometimes when the wind is blowing, how it's blowing off the west, it gets to that corner, and I'm not saying it was wind there, but that makes that corner very difficult for handling. But you cannot touch anybody there, and obviously off of two, which is probably a distant third. but the tri-oval and off of four are the two worst places that you could really touch anybody. So I think looking back at that, I think it started with the 12 coming up a little bit, and I bet he got out of gas a little bit and slowed that pack down a little bit, and they're coming, and that's where your trouble started. Jeff, my fault?

I mean, the thing is, like, you're pretty tight to the 22. but I don't know that you're wrecking without the Larson contact because when I went back and saw Larson's in-car on the max cameras that I'm obsessed with, that incident, he bumps you guys a little bit. That's the wiggle. And you are so close to the 22, you wiggle enough into them.

And that's what triggers it. You remember when Vickers wrecked Dale Jr. at Talladega and it was like a huge thing? That's one of the only times I can remember where it was obvious whose fault it wasn't a super speedway wreck. So many of these wrecks, especially now, I look at it and I'm like, well, it could be this, this, this. It's basically a racing incident,

but everybody's still trying to look for, okay, what exactly was the final trigger for this? But it's not like, it's not like on an intermediate where somebody does some bonehead thing, and you're like, well, that's incredibly obvious to me. Yeah. Most Super Speedway wrecks seem like circumstances gone wrong. Well, when you're going 200 miles an hour and just slow down five miles an hour, right?

And everybody behind you're still going 200 miles an hour. It's going to be a problem. It's a cop out to say on all these that, oh, it's just a racing deal because everybody wants to assign blame. But so many of them are a racing deal. Tough break for some of these guys. Haley, Suarez, Custer. I forget who else was right there in the mix. I got to say.

I wanted Eric. Cole Custer. Same. I was, I was, so I left with maybe five to go to go down, get the car to pick up the other guys up. So I'm watching race,

the timing and scoring on the way down. And it was wild. Like watching just, just if you're not watching the race, you just see timing and scoring, it was like maybe the last six laps I watched. And it was like Jones is leading. Priest is leading.

Haley's leading. Custer's leading. Blaney wins. Like, what the hell is going on up there? But Jeff, how heartbreaking were those? Do you guys talk to the, I know you talked to a lot of the playoff guys,

but do you get a chance to talk to Custer? Do you get like, hey, Lee, do those guys afterwards or no? Yeah, I mean, I didn't because I had to write. We wanted, our people wanted a deadline story, which is not always the case for NASCAR after races. You know, they wanted like a, hey, we need an immediate filing story. Because they, to them, that despite the playoffs stuff, we all criticize the system at the athletic to my editors,

the end of the regular season, the playoff field is set is a headline. So we need it immediately after. So I stayed in, Jordan ran out. So Jordan talked to them, I think. But, yeah, I mean, I think for, for, I just,

Haley and Custer were probably in a great spot there, but they also don't, like, if Blaney's in that spot, if either of them, they probably do something different. I mean, those guys, I mean, they're both great. I mean, Haley is an amazing super speeder racer. But I just wonder if they have more experience in those late race situations at Super Speedways,

they do something different because they both cost each other momentum. It seemed like in that moment just enough. And I mean, I, it's tough anyway when you're putting everything into one moment your entire season. but that had to be tough because you go back and I'm sure they watch the replay. Maybe they don't. But it's like, dang, what could we have done different? It was hard to even, and Tommy you've been through this a number of times yourself.

It was hard to say, I was watching it. I was watching those two specifically, Custer and Haley, because they both were clear to the lead on the last lap. And I don't know what they really could have done differently, you know, for themselves. Custer is clear on the top. Blaney's pushing him. I think he's in a great spot. Haley gets a good shove on the bottom. He gets clear of Custer. He pulls up. At the same time, Custer's got a big run because Blaney's pushing him. He's got to take the run, especially on the last lap, because you got to remember, like, if anything happens on the last lap, the race is over. You're not guaranteed to be running back to the line. So, you know, he's got a big run. He goes to the bottom.

Haley kind of half-ass blocks, which would have got real interesting had they one of the of them won the race because Haley throws the big block down the backstretch. Custer's under the line, at least straddling the line down the back straightaway to get underneath them. Then, you know, Haley moves up and now they're three wide with Blaney into three. So that would have got, God, to your point earlier, like, thank God we didn't have all these other scenarios to worry about with the buttons and judgment calls. But, you know, Custer had to take that run. Haley, I think, had to block it. You know, the only other thing Haley could have done was just stay top and pick up Ryan and try to build a better run for off of four.

But at that point, Ryan may split them also. So I don't know that anybody, I know they were both very critical of themselves afterwards. Like, oh, I should have done something differently. I don't know that they really could have done anything different to change the outcome of the race. It was just take the runs when you got them and hope it works out. And unfortunately for those two, it just didn't work out. I can't remember which driver said it. It might have been Plainee at some point.

Maybe it was in his, his pre, race of media availability, but somebody's making the point, there's always going to be another run. And some of the guys get impatient in those final laps. And, you know, like, I think Blaney was talking about before the race, like he was saying, you know, I'm not going to throw a huge block on the backstretch because I know there's going to be another run coming. And that's the kind of thing where, like, that's how Denny won his last 500, right? Like, he let the guys go by him. He knew he wasn't going to be able to block their run. He backed up to the other cars and he got the push. that takes some ultimate veteran patience.

The guys that are in a must-win situation, and to your point, too, sorry I said it, the race really could end at any moment. And it probably is, the odds are that they were going to crash. I mean, the fact they finished in-regulation under Green with no controversy, that is the exception. So I guess I would think, okay, the caution is probably going to come out. I have to be in the lead right now.

but also we see these races one where somebody just gets a little bit more patient because if it is going to finish under green it's the run at the very very end that last little push that gets you out in front but how would you know I guess yeah for sure new stuff zilich old old chicken wings kid wins without even in the race he doesn't have to race I mean yeah Jesus I was talking about his other news of the weekend good for him shocking shocking shocking to hear he's going cup racing. I was really caught me off guard.

I was, I was going to say it. It wasn't really. See that coming. Yeah. But I mean, is this, Jeff, is this kid maybe the most complete prospect we've seen since, I don't. Legano or Jeff Gordon?

Like, I mean, he's just. He has that presence of going into the next season on the watch, on how he's going to be perceived and watched. So I have a question. We've seen a lot of drivers, a lot of young drivers come in to the series. And, you know, like I remember when Carl Edwards came in and he was so enthusiastic and fresh-faced. And, you know, no matter what, it feels like the pressure changes. Like when these younger guys, it might be fun or they're enthusiastic for a while at first.

But when they get in these teams and they realize these are grown. men putting food on the plate for their families, and it's not necessarily fun to them. It's quite serious. That pressure always seems to squeeze a lot of these younger guys. I mean, it's just... Not him. So how does he avoid that? How does he avoid changing?

He has that meant... The kid is so mentally ahead of everybody of his age, of his thought process of what he's doing. and he can turn on and off like that. I mean, I've watched it. I've been around him enough to see and watch his actions and do the things that he does and how he talks and how he thinks. And like there's really nobody since Jeff Gordon.

Like, Jeff Gordon deal was announced early, right? So he had all this buildup, right? All this thing. He had DuPont. You had all these things. And, I mean, he had a lot of pressure going into his first year of cup. And boy, he wrecked a lot of real. race cars, right? I mean, I think it was probably 13 front and rear clips his first year.

And then it clicked, obviously. I'm not going to say Connor is going to wreck a lot. I'm not saying that, but we have all winter right now, right, to build up this Conner's village what's going to happen. What I will say about Connor, and it's, I'm going to disagree with her just a little bit, because when we see Connor get in these pressure situations, he has a tendency to make mistakes. We saw it at Mexico. He had the fastest car there. He ends up getting the piss and match with Ty Gibbs for no reason.

You know, we saw it at Watkins Glen. He ends up wrecking SVG when he probably could have been a little more patient. You know, you saw it at Coda when he's coming through the field in the Xfinity race. He's got damn lucky he didn't lose that race because he's knocking offenders in coming through the field. So that's the only knock I have on Connor is he has to clean that shit up when he gets himself a little behind the eight ball. And he's going to spend a lot of time behind the eight ball in the cup series. Like he's not going to come in and just dominate like he is. He made on road courses.

Like he may be the SVG of road courses next year. He might be the guy racing with him. But that's the only knock on Connor. Believe it or not, to me, in the conversation that him and I had, his worst race was Iowa. If you think of, well, me and him thought about it because he got put in a position that he was really fast and then had a pit penalty, right? And got aggravated all day and still ended up okay. The conversation I had with him was you need to go back and think of all the comments you made and all the thing. And if you put all that into positive thinking during that, you would have won the race, right?

You would have been another win for you because you made, you put yourself in position why you were angry and why you were upset during that race. That cost you time, right? You weren't focused enough. And I said, run it back. And, you know, he talked. He run it back. he put himself in a certain position. He said, I said, okay, what will you have done different?

And okay, here's what I would have done. Okay, well, it's clicking, right? You're learning, right? And he's 19 years old, right? And these kids that don't have a lot of experience or have to go through these experiences to learn, just like you said. You know, Denny and Ryan have been put in those positions

and lost races on Daytona and Talladega-type racetracks because they weren't patient. Well, now they're patient, and they've won, right? So, you know, the other night, you know, they came over to radio, a 12 car. They gave him the green light. And for about 20 laps, he couldn't go anywhere, right? He could not go anywhere. He was stuck right.

We told our driver to go five laps after that, and they ran side by side, right? He tried to get shuffled back. But it's all about learning, right? You cannot, you don't know how to get in these positions or get your self-added these positions without getting into the position. You know what I mean? I mean, you have to learn from, I'm not saying mistakes because you're going to make a lot of them, especially when you're young and you're racing, you know, a lot of veteran race car drivers that know already, right? That's going to put you in a position to get you in trouble.

But Connor is so far ahead of that thought process. He's going to be fine. I just hope he doesn't, everybody changes as they grow up but i hope he doesn't change too much as a person because he could really be something so special he's got a really good car owner that will keep him grounded just in marx is a very smart man when it comes to that and it'll be just fine jeff uh ram trucks i always want to say dodge and there's i guess there's no dodge right there's just ram trucks um colleague racing announcement, five trucks. Is this, I mean, where do you land on this deal? I'm really torn on this.

I mean, I think it's great that they want to make a big investment in a big splash, but I'm also sort of skeptical because, man, you see multi-car teams just in general. How many of them, you know, to get, five is a big reach. It's a big step. I mean, you're going to have to have great equipment, great crews, great drivers. You know, it just seems like you're stretching yourself so thin. Even if you have the money to do it, the amount of personnel ramping up the resources it takes, that's really challenging. I mean, that's very ambitious.

How many, I mean, you're starting five truck team. They're going to, I think they're going to eliminate one Xfinity cars. So they're going to have nine teams in-house up there and welcome between the two cup, two Xfinity, five trucks. How many people does this take to do, like properly? A lot. But again, this is just the start of the conversation. They have a lot more going on probably than we all think of what they're going to be doing, how it's mapped out. It's just they're not ready to talk about it yet because there's a lot of things flying in the air on it.

you know, it's just the biggest thing is going to be, how are they going to separate the Dodge Chevy stuff, right? How is that going to work? And I don't know how that's going to happen. And I don't know how they're going to build so many trucks so fast, right? But they have a plan, I'm sure, and it's just going to take some time. The thing you think about, like, I know everybody wants to know the driver lineup, the only names I've heard that are pretty commonplace are Daniel,

die i think which they were at daniel die's dealers or his dad's dealership their day i think daniel die ends up in one of the trucks i think butterbean possibly ends up in one of the trucks um they have a whatever you want to call it the gong show racer x deal they're going to have one of those drivers um somebody's like oh they're going to have an all-star truck you know they're going to i'm like can they can they have an all-star truck with who do they can i put in their a j is an a j under contract with Chevy like so i don't know how that works i mean maybe they get a uh a deal where they can run their cup guys in their trucks. But, you know, I would think all those other guys, you know, like the people that are connected with that get in their Xfinity cars are at AJ, SVG, you know,

Ty Dillon. But I would think those guys are all under some kind of Chevy deal with the cup side. So I don't know how they get in a Dodge truck or a ram truck. But the thing for me is, you know, they, I don't know, I think Danny mentioned this on his podcast last night. There's big changes coming to the truck series. Correct? I mean, I think it's either 27 or 28 season. and they're basically going to go to something that we see on Sundays of a, you know, a kit car, whatever you want to call it. So is this just the point? They just got to get through these next year or two, get their feet under them,

and then they have this where they can, you know, they're going to be on the same playing field as everybody else in two years? I think that's probably the end game of the plan. I think, you know, they also realize that building this, no matter what they're going to do, it's all about people, right? and you just don't hire a bunch of people and it works right away, right? You have to mix people up. You have to change things.

You have to hire people, get rid of people. There's going to be a lot of things that are going to happen over the next five, six months of trying to find the synergy of the program and what they're going to do. It's going to be very interesting. It's just to see how it all plays out because they have, I think they have more already planned out than they're already talking about. so we'll see over the next two, three weeks how it all plays out. Hey, it's Dale Jr.

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Send it. Why me? All right, ready for some spot-on, spot-off? Do you guys think you've covered enough? Sure, we've been talking for a while. Yeah, a long time. All right, number one, Tyler Reddick was racing too aggressively early on in the race, considering his point scenario.

I think it's all with his fire suit. Did you see what he was wearing? Oh, my God, he looked ridiculous. Look at a hand burglar. I think he just was... He looked like Ronald McDonald himself. He's looked pretty ridiculous all year long. It was bad the other night.

I mean, they got to do something with that. What he's got going on with that mullet? I still don't understand. stand. Jeff, I know you thought, me and you talked about this before the race and then of course he ends up wrecked on lap, whatever it is, 18 or something like that. So what were you at? Yeah, I'm spot

on for saying he was racing too aggressively because if Bowman hadn't wrecked and there was a new winner, he was putting himself in jeopardy I thought where he only would have had to finish only. He would have had to finish ninth with

Bowman winning both stages and finishing second in the race. So as soon as Bowman didn't win both stages, that that would have gone down, down, down, down, right? Like, you know, if you've, you know, that could have gone all the way down to, like, say, 20th. And then, but, you know, I had mentioned this to you before the race and you said, no, it's not really, it's not really feasible to do that. So then I thought, okay, I'm wrong. But why were you saying he was racing so aggressively?

What do you mean? I'm just saying, like, the Jeff's point was he should have been laid over, like, just laid in the back. And the problem with that is, I think that would have probably been a viable strategy for the first stage to see, all right, where does the 48 end up in this first day? Like, let's keep our car safe. Does he get 10 points here? Because like what you were talking, what we talked about before was like just right around the back, see what happens. And then the last stage go race.

And I'm like, that's risky because if this guy goes to wins both stages, now it's gone from a 29 point gap to a 9 point gap. And now you've got to come, you've got no track position. Then you've got to come from the back to try to raise some heads up almost. but I think you could have done it in the first stage and been just, all right, let's see what this guy does for points. When he doesn't get any, because he wasn't going to get any, or maybe he might have got one or two at the end of the first stage. Now your gap is still 28 points for the last, you know, two-thirds of the race.

You know, they probably, it's just... I know nobody can see what's on our screen, but you see the car behind him? Yeah. Okay. So what do you think the plan was? Keep that guy behind him. Just run right around them. Yeah.

So probably that was their plan going into the race. That's what probably I would have done. I don't think that was Redick's fault right there that the record. No, I think they both were, I thought they both met in the middle. I think Tyler came up a little bit and the 34 came down a little bit and they just kind of met in a best spot. You know what's so interesting though? Like I, as a media person, I always find myself, any scenario we're talking about, I'm always like, why didn't they just do this? Play it conservative.

That is not the racers mentality. People in the racing, they don't think that way. You guys don't think that way. You're like, you're going racing in the first place. You're not like, how can we play it safe here? There's not a lot of concern. Usually we'll go over all those scenarios. And then the final thing is like, well, you know what?

We got here because we race. So let's just go race. And then it all gets blown out. We don't even pay attention to it anymore. And then the green flag drops. You get yourself in a position. Then you start thinking. And, you know, I'm guessing that their goal was to.

And there's, and like, these places, you want to say, like you go riding the back and you're safe. I mean, I've been wrecked back there riding around. The first caution was the second and the last place car. Yeah, flat tire, like hit the wall. Like, there's really no safe place in these races. So it's just I don't, you know, I don't know that he was too aggressive. Maybe he could have in the first stage, I think maybe rode a little bit more.

But like again, you're not going to, there's no safe place to ride out there anyway. NASCAR decides to hold back on throwing yellow flags for single car incidents. Spot on, spot off. Tommy, you're shaking your head. Yeah, I'm glad they let it play out to see if, you know, if it was going to not roll. I was shocked on Friday night. I don't know why. You're watching the race.

Do you feel the same way? Like, there's a couple times that you see that, you know, you see that from the roof is, I don't know how far the backstretched away is away. But like, you see, always you see that car dart out of line. You know, if somebody gets turned into the midpack and they dart out of line, you're like, all right, wrecking, you know, get ready. I'm getting ready to say yellow. And I'm like, oh, shit, we're still green, still green. I think the first one was Burton. and then the next one was maybe Raja.

I can't remember. And you're just like, oh, they're wrecking. And then, all right, I guess we're not going yellow. And then I think in the cup race, who was the one that was like, I thought they were going to throw. It was a BJ. BJ had some damage and he was creeping around the apron there with a flat tire. But again, if this is the new norm, I'm all for it.

But you got to stay consistent. And it seemed to me like they stayed consistent from Friday to Saturday, Jeff. Yeah, and I think that paving the backstretch is probably what allowed them to do that. Because obviously, if that's still grass back there. it's a different story. But I, and I, I, I'm glad, as long as they were going to be consistent about it, that's fine. But also, there's got to be a little bit more of like, is this person shedding debris? Because if, if there's enough debris that something's getting blown out into Harrison Burton's neck, like through the back panel or whatever, like, there's probably stuff on the track.

So, I mean, I get like maybe holding it for a minute, but they hold, they held it some, one of them, they held it really long. and then it was like, oh, yeah, there was debris. Yeah, that was... And the yellow ended up being for weather. That's right. That's right. While they're showing a huge piece, like the crush panel laying just under the line,

they said it was for weather. I'm like, well, there's also a crush panel right there. Yeah, it was... It was something. It was funny. Something that you like, did you like that they did that? Yeah, I think so. I think that the less causes we have the better for our racing,

because you don't want to keep rewracking and, you know, because you either you burn, you know, three or four laps every yellow. at least. It was funny though watching like there I wish I was in the tower when Danny gets his flat and he just refuses to go with the racetrack. He's like he's on the on the he will not get on the apron. He's running through the bottom of one and two. Then he's on the top of the backstretched. He's running the top through a three and four. They throw the yellow. Then he still stays out and he's dragging shit all over the place. I'm sure they were going nuts about it.

It was funny because I didn't have the radio on anymore at the time. But so we have a new, I don't even which device that we use to scan race control for the spotters. And it is clear as day. Like it sounds like Chassan is sitting next to you talking to you. Like whatever. Like it's great. Like the other officials don't have it like on the racetrack. Like who's ever on Pitt Road or some of the cleanup trucks?

They don't have the same thing. So it sounds like a normal radio. But like when it's Chassan on the same system that you're on, it sounds amazing. The problem with it is you can also hear it's so good that you can also hear some of the stuff that's going on. behind you son and uh when legano spun and he kind of drove back up onto the racetrack you could hear some people in the background that were not very happy with him and and use some choice words that i can't repeat because we have sensors on these shows sometimes but uh so that we might have to retool that so we can't hear everything in that room but uh it was funny to hear so but like the only time they

threw yellow is when people made them throw yellow joey drove out into the grass and they had to throw yellow for that danny would not get up the racetrack they had to throw yellow for that So I think I thought that was interesting. Joey was stuck. Well, but he didn't have to drive. He could have came down to him. He drove out in there. Wait, tell me more about this device.

So it's, I wish I could tell you the name of it. It's, it's Redale or something like that. And it's just like a belt pack that you guys use on Pit Road. But now we, it's a, it's like an intercom system, I think. I haven't used it yet because I'm superstitious. And we had it at Indy. And I didn't use it. And I didn't use it because I thought maybe we went again.

And then you wrecked everybody. So you might as well use it. So I haven't used it yet, but everybody, it's rave reviews from the spotters of how clear it is to the tower. And it's just because we've had issues the last since we went to NASCAR issues us a digital radio at the beginning of the year that has raised control in it that we're supposed to use. And we've had issues hearing caution flags. I don't know what it is. If it's when they hit the button and they key up to say put it out, something gets overlap where you don't hear it put it out. And so like the yellow's out and you don't know it.

So we've been trying to come up with something different to fix that. And this is the next step in that process. But, I mean, it's clear as day. And maybe it's a little too clear. But it's just a new device. If you see them, it's a, it looks like a box. And like you'll see some of the officials where they see the officials like up in the tower before you go into press box or something. It's a box that's on your hip and it's just got a cord running up to your headset.

So, I mean, it's great. And I'm assuming this is where we're heading to use for race control. but they might have to watch people watch their language in the background. No, I think they should leave it. I wish they played on TV. It can't. It's not recordable. Yeah. No, that's fine.

But if I were you, I would just want to listen to the. Yeah, we use it down on. Yeah, the teams use it. Yeah, it's in a way we're not talking over the radio. We're just talking amongst team members. So, yeah. 2026 schedule is released. Notable changes to the series schedule,

Cup series schedule include an off week on Easter weekend. Watkins Glen Bean moved to May. All-Star race is at Dover. North Wilkesboro is getting a points race. You get a street course, 4th of July, is Chicago Land weekend,

and we get a homestead championship race. God bless America. God bless America? God bless America. Did you vote for that? I voted for that. They asked me my personal opinion, actually, and that's what I told them.

It was weird. I saw people like Danny was one of my thing. He said like it was a D plus or something like that. I don't know. He's really against Denny today. Who? No, he's the one to put it out there,

right? That was his quote. He must not have a bonus this year. Oh, that's right. They're open now. No bonus. They're open cars now. I don't even know what today's day is.

I got to see if I'm, I got to see if I got paid recently. Open, no bonus. I don't know, like, what's wrong with the schedule? I mean, I know, like, the only thing that people have been the biggest to complain. And Tommy, I don't know how much different Walkins Glen is from Long Island, but. It's colder. It's colder.

But it's May. We're not going in March. It's cold. Like, people are talking about fucking snow. I'm not going to snow in May. And I'm not going to snow in May. telling you'll be in the 30s in the morning. No, it's not. Oh, I'm telling you. Look it up. Stop it. All right. All right now when it gets to May of next year. It'll be. It'll be high 50s, mid-60s.

Didn't you say on your show that most people don't even pull out there? That's what people were telling me on social media. They don't take out their RVs until Memorial Day. That's like their thing. They're all in storage. That's the thing that I think hurts that race is the fact that like kids are still in school. That, you know, I don't, listen. And I think I didn't get all the way through the tear down because I went out. drinking yesterday, unfortunately. But I think what threw this off was the Richmond sellout, right? I mean... That's what Jordan reported, yeah. Yeah. Is that true? That's what he... Well, Jordan had all these versions of the schedule.

No, like, he had earlier versions of the schedule, and Richmond was in May, and Watkins Glen was in August. And I think he said that after Richmond did so well, they got to a point based on his sources where they're like, man, we can't take this away. We just had hit race, you know, the better attendance than we've had in years. We can't screw Richmond now

after they just did this. So now what are we going to do? But my worry is about the, and we have two Northeast people here, but like what I'm, I guess I'm just worried about the North East fan because when you lump Dover in this as well, you know, Pocono

went from two races to one. Fine. Dover went from few races and won, fine. But now their one race is the All-Star race. Now Watkins Glen is, you know, moved early. And it's back-to-back with Dover. Not, you know, I don't know how, it's far enough that I don't know how many people cross that over.

But you can't go to both probably now. You're probably not going to do both. Here's what's going to happen. Okay. Us Northerners get pissed off, right? And then we hold the grudge, right? And I'm telling you, these northern fans are going to get pissed off. And this is what's happening.

And they're looking at it going, oh, they don't care. about us, right? Dover is now an All-Star race. Oh, they moved Watkins Glen to a time that that we're still hibernated, right, up in, up in Watkins Glen area. So I don't know. This is going to be a tricky time of the Northeast. I hope we all gather together and stay positive and make it work, but I think they pissed off a whole Northeast fan base. Yeah, this, it was, if you're here in the Northeast, this was not a good schedule. This was a D plus schedule for you. But I think overall the rest of it, though, those are the, those are definitely the minuses.

But I think despite that, I actually think the good outweighs the bad on this schedule. There's a lot of, I mean, and, you know, I think part of it is like a lot of it already come out. Like we already knew Homestead. We already knew San Diego. But Wilkesboro getting a points race. Cool. Chicago and back. Cool.

Like, there's some really stuff that I'm really looking forward to, you know? So, um, I, I, I think. it's not going to be a perfect. I wish things have been different, but it's probably harder than it looks like this. The only, it's Dover, in my opinion, Dover and Watkins Glen are probably big negative. And for me, like, we don't know what anybody has in store yet for Dover, right? Yeah, it can be, right? I mean, talking, who knows? You know, talking with Goodyear a little bit over the weekend, it's like they're waiting, they're waiting to develop a tire for that race depending on how the race is going to be run, right?

What's the segment going to be? What are they going to do? So I think it's not going to be like what everybody's worried about, no passing or anything about it. I think Goodyear is going to make a tire that's going to be for maybe a 20-lap run or a 30-lap run. I think by the time the people that are making those decisions, they're going to try to make that race very interesting.

And they're going to rely on. people like Good Year and probably us again to make that race exciting. So I would say that's not as heartbreaking as Watkins Glen. I think Watkins Glenn is probably the biggest. So if they came to you and they were like, hey, all right, let's try to run what you've run again. Is there any enthusiasm for it? Like with the team, do you think? It's, no, I mean, I don't, I don't think anything to do with those cars are going to really make a difference.

I just, again, I think it's a horsepower and tire situation. I just think we're stuck with what we have. So it'd just be like the super, the ultra soft tire compound race or something. Well, again, they've got to be careful because Dover, you know, Dover is a very hard track on right front tires. So you've got to be careful there. But I don't know, I think we're going to see a change, a tire change of Bristol that's going to have a good race, a better race than it has been. So we'll see.

The biggest things that aside from Watkins-Glanded over two takeaways for me was I still don't like Taldaiga being in the round of eight. I don't know. It's just something that's stuck with me. And the fact that it's in the last three races. So I know Ben

came out and said like the playoff system is not set yet. We don't know what we're doing next year. It could be, it could change. Well, now if it changes to that three race playoff, now you've got Taladaiga in a three race final round, which I don't think is... But why wouldn't you want something exciting like the other night and be part of that? I mean...

Not for the fucking championship. No, they won't put it in a three race round. I don't think that... There's no way. But it sounds like there's still a possibility of changing something, which to me means, you know, could you get a longer than three race final round? If that's the case, you know, if you came to me and you said, and I don't think they're going to do a 10 race chase,

but what I'm saying is if you said, oh, 10 races and... there's a super speedway in there. You're like, oh, okay. So there's some sample size where it would be acceptable to everybody. Three is not it. But if you go longer, maybe it's still possible. So it's interesting, though, because I was asking Bell this weekend about Talladega this year in round three, right? And he said something that Gabe Hart had said last year as well, which is that, you know,

it actually, the odds of one of the final eight winning to make that into the final four is actually not super high. so you could actually open up another spot on points, which would reward or increase the chance of one of the worthy guys who had had another two good races making it to the championship round. So if you get like, you know, I think everybody will have a meltdown if, let's say like SVG has made it into the round of eight and then wins how they're going to make the final four or something. And everybody's like, what?

But if it's, you know, if somebody goes out there, you know, somebody, Haley goes out there who missed the playoffs, makes it, then all of a sudden there's another spot on points. So, I don't know. And the other thing that I drove me crazy, I tweeted about this, is the one thing that drove me insane about looking at this schedule is the number of road courses,

not so much for the Cubs series, but the truck and Xfinity. Trucks running more fucking road courses than they are short tracks. We have a problem here somewhere. You know, like, when I talk talk to, when I talk about, you know, Richmond, Martinsville, Bristol. The trucks run four short tracks and five road courses.

Last, what was it? It was two or three years ago. The trucks didn't run a road course race, and now they've got five of them. Like this, there's a disc. The truck series should be on short tracks every week, in my opinion, and they should run Daytona and Charlotte maybe once. But now you're getting so far away from the grassroots of what we've done, especially with that entry level, you know, or the bottom tier.

like, why do these guys run so many short tracks? I mean, so many road courses. It's just shaking your head. Well, it's just, it's, I mean, I'm invested in it because of Luke, right, for all the things that we're working on. This past week has completely changed my thought process on the development of him, of what I'm trying, now what I'm going to focus on from this point to February, right? The things I need to work on.

Yeah, it's, I'm pretty disappointed. pointed into in in that schedule to be honest with you. And at one point, from one point I am, but the other point is I feel that the trucks are closer to the cup cars, right? So with get more experience running the road courses and the speedways and stuff, it will help in the cup series. But that's two, three years down the road, right? But, I mean, that division was built on our short tracks, right?

And our Cup series was built on the racetracks being at those dates that we've always had, right? And things just keep getting shuffled and moving around. It just, I don't know, man. That's the only, I wish I, there was, there's some meetings. I've been involved in a lot of meetings in my lifetime with NASCAR, right? You know, but I wish I would just, could hear, sit down and just listen to the thought process on what they, think with this? Why do they think it's better? Maybe that's a question

you need to ask, Jeff. I mean, the St. Pete one, I think, is cool, but that's Fox, right? So, Fox is saying, hey, we want this, we want this. It's another TV type driven decision. I mean, again, I do think that's cool, but they don't have to, that means maybe you cut someone somewhere else then.

But, I mean, it's just kind of odd where, like, for instance, trucks are not going to Vegas at all. Yeah. Either race, which is just weird. I mean, the road courses make up. My math might be off because I'm not doing it. But it's like 20% of the schedule is road courses. I think it's five of 25 races is road courses. So what could you, what could you cut road? I don't think I've looked at trucks too much. Well, they just need to, like for one,

they need to figure out. They need to get back on the shore tracks for me. Yeah, they need to get back to the roots a little bit of bringing some of these tracks that we, they originally started at, right? Kind of like what we're doing with the cup, right? We're, Wilkesboro, Bowman Gray. I mean, the trucks need to start doing that a little bit, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, they go to Bristol, they go to IRP, and Richmond, and then Martinsville at the end of the year, I think. I mean, they probably don't need to be at Watkins Glen. They don't need to be on the Roval.

No. But they're trying to keep the Roval consistent now as elimination for, like, all the series or something. Honestly, none of us, honestly, none of us need to be on the Roval. No, I know. Like, we should all be running the Oval. That's another one that is not on here on our list, but why? why is the Roval still a thing? Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, we can beat the horse's death on here, but I just, yeah, I don't. But Lime Rock is cool, too. Like that's a standalone for them. Lime Rock was a cool one, but you can do that with short tracks. You can go to Stafford. You can go to Pensacola.

You can go to Nashville. Like, all these badass racetracks. There's plenty of places that the place will. I didn't even mean to wear my Stafford shirt today. Now here I am. Advocating for them. Stafford needs to get back on the NASCAR. deal before you mentioned in Stafford, which we hope, hopefully.

Yeah. It's coming. William Byron is the favorite to win the championship after winning the regular season title. Spot on, spot off. Spot off. Did you ask me? I wasn't going to, but go ahead. I do think he'll be in the probably final four.

Who's your final four, Thomas? I think Danny, Blaney, Byron, and on a toss-up between the 19 and the 20. The problem for me, listen, spotters, we all stick together. Since the 20 has made a spotter change, and they've made another spotter change since the first spotter change, they have not been the same. For whatever reason, I don't know that either spotters made that big a difference, but they have not had the results that they've had before with either one of the two new spotters. Tab's a very experienced, a very good spotter. It's just circumstantial, I think. but that team was coming off a win at the All-Star race or yeah,

they won the All-Star right? And then Spotter Change and you haven't seen really much of them since then. So yeah, I'm agreeing with you. I think it's Blaney. I think it's Danny. You know, it's going to be somebody, whether it's Byron or Chase. I just think Chase gets in there somehow. Like he's too consistent.

You know, maybe it's the Talladega thing where you get a guy in on points, an extra guy on points. And then it's like, to your point, to your point again, it's one of those Gibbs cars, I think, and Briscoe's the hot hand right now, I think. I don't know, you're already pictures.

What do you think, Carson? I want to hear yours. Oh, God. You don't know who's in. She's been attending to the damn dog all weekend. Oh, shit, I meant to say Bubba. Did I not say Bubba? Bubba's going to be in the final four.

Did I, I don't know who it kick out. Briscoe, get rid of Briscoe, so Bubba can get in. Oh, not Denny today? You don't want to get rid of Denny already. I picked Denny already. Oh, okay. William. I'm going to go with the 24, the 5.

Wait, honestly, the ones that are the top four right now is what I was fixing to Ben. I was going to say Blaney, Denny, William, and Larson. I think Larson since the Indy 500 is kind of like the 20 car. But then like you said, like, I just feel like Chase might end up there. Maybe I would swap Larson for Chase. So we're shutting out Larson. Because mine are, like, I'm,

I'm picking Ligano. I guess I mean the only one pick Lugano. Well, you know, it's the wrong year. I picked him last year. Ligano, Blaney, Hamlin, and Briscoe are mine, which I'm kind of with you, Tommy, where I could almost go Bell, Brisco. But I just don't feel Bells run that well.

And I'm shutting Hendrik out completely. Because, look, I think I finally learned. It's about the tracks. It's not even about season performance. And the tracks line up so, so well. for Penske. I mean, I could even see Cindrick making it to the final four. If he makes the final eight. I hope not.

Geez. Of course. Think about him at Taledega. Leave me alone today. I'm trying to get this guy in the show next week. Leave me alone. You know what I'm saying? Like, the Penske cars are, they've got Gateway in there now, they've got New Hampshire in there now. They already have Martinsville and Phoenix. I mean, it lines up so well for them. And look what they just did at Richmond.

They got three top fives and Barry was eighth or something. Yeah. So how can you not think they're going to be a force at Gateway at New Hampshire? Yeah, I mean, it's like Bristol, maybe, I don't know. Like, they're going to be formidable. And I don't think Hendrick runs. Hendrick has put this whole emphasis. They had talked about all like offseason, right?

Phoenix, Phoenix. And they came out to Phoenix in the spring and they weren't where they wanted to be. They're not as good at those sort of flatter tracks. It doesn't seem like. and there's a lot of them in this playoff. So as good as it is for Penske, I'm saying it's not as good for, remember Gateway a couple years ago for Hendrick?

Like, they just didn't run. Yeah, so I'm worried about them. So, yeah, that's why I say spot off for Byron to win the championship. I don't even have them in the Final Four. Yeah. Who's your first four out? I did this last night, and I forgot. I actually have SVG out in round one because I, yes, he has 22 playoff points,

but it's, you know, it's tough. I mean, you've still got, I mean, he's never seen Gateway before. Bristol's tough, Darlington stuff. I think he said Darlington's favorite track, but it's still tough. I mean, there's a really tough races. And 22 points is great, but those can go away pretty quick. I think I might have Chastain out in round one. They really haven't run that well since he won the 600.

They haven't been the same. I think I have you guys out Fuck off What the fuck Jeff? You guys have it I looked at your gateway results last night You guys have never had a good gateway I don't recall a good gateway

He's like oh shit Wait we're going to gateway You got to go Darlington first Yeah we run pretty well in Darlington So and I can't remember who the last one is Sorry Way to go Thomas who's out

Austin Dillon perhaps Oh I have Dylan out That's I have Dylan out Yes yes you're right Yeah, who's here for Austin Dillon, which is one, obviously. Go ahead, who's the next three out? What the fuck? Just because you've pissed me off.

How did I piss you off? No, I'm just kidding. I'm going to say this might be a hot take, but Bowman. He's lasting points. Well, I know, but. I think Bowman's going to be the one that's going to make the most jump. Because I can't speak freely here without getting shit on. So I'm done.

Those two. Those are the safe space. Please continue. Who's the first one? Austin Dylan, Alex Bowman, Bubba, and Ross. Dang, that's good. I think Logano is going to be the out. Yep.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, I think, I don't, I think, I think, um, Austin. Which Austin? Dylan. Austin, Dylan, yeah. I don't know about, uh, I'm Chase. Which Chase?

Elliot. I don't know, man. And I just, I don't know, maybe because Alan pissed me off the other night. I'm not happy with him. We're very biased on this show. Who ever pisses us off? What do you do? Well, he's pitted in front of us, and we always, between front of us and behind us,

we all try to work together. So I was trying to explain to him maybe we're going to do gas only. He was coming for tires and pretty much gave me that. So I'm like, okay. So one thing you don't do is do that to me because I will pit in front of you one race. your life fucking hell. The next week you'll be... So he's on my shit list now.

So anytime we... So Darlington, when you see the list come out for Darlington, the 51... The chase sexuals are going to be coming after you. Anytime we're going to stick up for Allen anymore? No, I'm not sticking. He's on the same...

You're on the list now. He should be fired? Yeah, I think it's... The 22, the 21, the 3, and the 2. Barry's such a good short track racer, though. He's got Bristol in there. He's got...

They haven't been. I mean, they were good at Richmond. I should say that. They have been off. He's good, but it's his first time. Yeah. So there's a lot of different pressures. I just think it's not even,

this is why this format's been frustrating is it's just about the lineup of the tracks. Not just about it, but it's a lot about the lineup of the tracks. And if you are, if you're strength of a certain track, you have a great chance of moving on. So I actually think. What's any different than home field advantage of any other sport, though? Because you earned it.

Right. Well. You earned that. These guys earned to be in the playoffs at these certain tracks. But Penske didn't earn to have the tracks that line up for them to be their strength. Maybe the regular season champion. Didn't we play a Super Bowl? The regular season champion picks the tracks.

Didn't we play a Super Bowl somewhere in their home field a couple years ago? There was one. I think there was Tampa. I don't remember. Anyway. Yeah, it was Tampa. Keep rolling. It's time for Reaction Theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race.

Ready. Are we on? You don't even need to know. It's not like you read it anyways. Freddie, I feel like this... You think there might be a call in here for me? I think this might be brutal for you. I don't care.

You know what Blaney wins? I think all the inside jokes of the reaction theater are starting to run together. Yeah. The getting late is... That was a Kyle Bush one. I know. I was just listening to that going,

when did Blaney wins mean you get late? I guess everybody is toaster. If somebody wins, you get late. I guess that's just the deal. That's a little. Every week somebody's getting laid on the results based on the results of the race. On the scale of don't put a toaster in the bathtub and getting laid is about the... Yeah, that's about as far as you can get.

I think all you get Blaney fans, you don't get is no toaster in the bathtub. You don't die this week. Right. That was probably the best super speedway race of the next gen. Bowman fans better be hopping in a hot tub with Blaney fans tonight. I saw where the Bowman say he's going to get him seven million years. That's a lot. I guess they can party together.

They should be... Well, again, the hot tub... I mean, it is a hot tub if there's a toaster in there. Holy sure, the toaster. We're having a motherfucking party. Carson, will you marry me? Now, he's the only one that got it all figured out. Yikes.

Resumet. No? No. The answer's no. You guys have a wedding invitation right here. We got invited to a wedding, so we might have to go there. We're going to send Carson. place.

Oh, no, you said that's your birthday. I can't. That's my birthday. Carson and that guy could be the next wedding. Yeah, then we could do a dual wedding. No. No?

Not it? You sure? Mm-mm. I don't think that's for me. You're not going to give him a shot. I mean, the poor guy said, no shot. I just don't want to give a relationship as a whole a shot in general. E.J.

getting a lot of air time today on tonight's race. I just got to say he's really, really cute with that cool shirt he has on. He was on. wearing his cool shirt. TJ wears a cool shirt on the spotter stand. He has a couple times in the past. Listen,

that's fucking hot up there just so you know. That's the second straight week that you guys have had a call alluding to, because last week when Bob was on, the woman called him and said that he's the celebrity crush except for TJ. Yeah. So now you have this guy saying that TJ's cute with his... Well, it's good to know... I've gotten a lot of trouble with his wife.

He did get a little shit for that. It's good to know TJ's family still listens. So I appreciate... I appreciate them calling in. but yes I did hear he was on camera a lot the other night it was probably fun for them I'd like to leave this

for Freddie if he wasn't scratching his butt on that call right there he would have crept his man out of the accident he's scratching his ass or putting his beard down caused that big wreck

my man Kyle Bush got wrecked because of that I'm a long eye on the Fred no shit no shit no get out of here Why are you scratching your ass? Well, you know, it's itchy.

You know, I don't know what to tell you. Or putting down your beard, you said. It's hot up there, right? What is putting down your beard mean? No, my beer. Oh, beer. Oh, I thought he said beard. Yeah, no.

You had a beer up on a spotter stand? That's what happened. I was actually shit-faced up there. That's like, clear. Get over there. Yeah. Sorry. Didn't mean to scratch my ass at that moment.

My bad. Hello. This is Dr. Till here. This is my message for Freddie Kraft. Okay. listen, we need to make things clear, okay? Because when things are not clear, we end up in a pretty big shit storm, which is what your driver did.

You know why? Because he wasn't clear, okay? He obviously wasn't clear. I don't know if you cleared him or not, but it wasn't clear. And guess what? Shitstorm happened, okay? We can't have that, okay? All right.

I think we got that cleared up. We'll be right back. Okay. Is he trying to be the South Park? It sounded like it. Yeah. again. Are you nominated for the shit show?

Oh, I'm nominated him for the show. Yes. Obviously, I definitely cleared him. I was not only did I not say three wide. I was like, clear, get over there, hang a left, see how many of these fuckers we can wreck. Like one shot, please. All while scratching your ass.

That's impressive. And drinking a beer. That's actually multi-talented. You should get some credit for that. Yeah, exactly. Clear, clear. Clearly, clearly, I should get credit for that. All right. Well, to leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number 704, 802-9572, and we will play the best ones each week on the show.

All right, it's time for AskDBC. You can send in your questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. Andy Jay would like to know. He says... Janconiaks to ask some questions. What? Andy Jay is a friend of words. Oh, my bad. Adam Stern tweeted NASCAR is considering allowing cup drivers to raise more Xfinity in truck races. be a good idea.

Jeff, I'm going to ask you this. Are we fixing a problem that we don't have? Like, nobody, they, I think I saw where Ross might have been the only one that maxed out on truck races. Like, is anybody begging to run more races? I don't know. Like, I don't. I kind of like how it's been, to be honest.

And I think that part of the rise of the Xfinity series recently, has been being able to put the spotlight on these guys. Because 15 years ago, when you'd have an Xfinity guy win one or two races, an Xfinity regular one or two race a year, and the cup guys win all the rest, except for maybe a non-companyan event, you know, I think that might have killed some Xfinity careers, whereas you have a Chase Briscoe in an environment

where the only chance Chase Briscoe has is to win eight races in each race in a year to get he can't he's got to show that he's that good that a team's going to take a chance on on him that he can he's that capable of winning he's not going to be able to bring millions to the table and he does it because of the environment where there's not a ton of cup guys in it so i think it's been good for those lower series i get i don't know if it's o're riley or whoever saying hey we're coming in we'd love to see more you know cup guys we'd love to see a lot Larson down there more often or Kyle Busch or whoever, but I think it's been,

I think they've actually struck a really good balance as it is. Nobody's doing it. You know what I mean? Like if Larson's run a handful, you know, Kyle Busch hasn't run a Xfinity race in two years. I can't remember last time he ran an Xfinity race. Maybe one, a phone phone for

a colleague at some point, maybe last year. But Tommy, you have Luke coming up, you know, hopefully gets to run maybe truck races next year. Like on that side of things, do you want, do you want cup guys in that race for him to I feel like it's double it's twofold because you want cup guy you want him to race against cup guys

to see this is the top tier talent this is what you're going to have to become to get to where you want to go but at the same time they're stealing some of the spotlight because a lot of times Kyle's going to win or a host of ours going to win you know they're stealing some of the spotlight from so it's almost like how do you balance that

but I think there's two ways of thinking and Jeff mentioned it that one guy that won those two races against the cup drivers was probably in the cup the next year, right? So when you have a bunch of guys and it's scattered, maybe it's getting diluted a little bit in the business world. Now as far as a business world, are the teams complaining to NASCAR that they can't find enough money to keep these teams going with...

That's what I was going to ask you is like from a business perspective. Does it bring up the cost, you know, the amount of money that they can get for these cup drivers. So I don't know. I would love, I would love to see Luke race against four or five truck drivers every, you know, cup drivers every weekend, to be honest with you. Maybe this should be a limit on the amount of cup drivers in each race, maybe. Like five or, you know, amount of drivers in the race, not the races. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, I want my kid to go against the best race car drivers in the world to try to be the best, you know, so. All right.

Shit shows. What kind of shit shows did you guys see this week? Besides Freddie wrecking everybody at Daytona. Not clear. Yeah, not clear. Clearly. Clearly not clear. This fucking wreck right here.

Oh, my God. With the motorcycle. I don't know where this was. There's a MotoGP race. Yeah. Every angle that you watch this from is worse than the one you see before. And thank God the cameraman's okay. the bike so if you're not watching you know you'll see the clip on on x but uh bike bike

rider lays his bike down him and the bike go flying through the gravel pit and then the bike jumps the wall and hits the camera stand my man right here's like yep oh good good thumbs up but i mean it hits the camera he's checking his hand like he just got hitting a head with a bike but he never really look the guy holding the camera never really moves either like he's staying staying on the shot he had to get that shot i know so i'm saying it's awesome but yeah so that was and the poor rider he thought he killed somebody. Oh my God I just killed somebody.

So that was definitely... How about that guy? The spotter there. He was like, oh shit. Let's go land on him. Thumbs up. That's my very part of the video. That was a good one then. The fire one was another one that we saw. That was early last week. I felt like

I don't know what the fuck is going on in this video. Like the thing's on fire. What's the guy doing with the host? This guy's on... The guy's on... The guy's on... The guy, the guy, riding the quad is on fire. He's laid this quad over almost

three times in one video. He's got his cooler on the back. He about flipped over right here. Oh, up, up, up. Easy. Yeah, I don't know. Like, why did they push them away from the fire extinguishers? Is what I really don't get. What all it's doing is creating more fire. I don't know where this is. I think it's the guy on the quad

that's the shit show. Yeah, exactly. Not the car. No, like, where, why is he pushing the guy away from all the hell? I think he thought, okay, here's a lot. a fire if I can get the car away from the fire, but he didn't realize it was going to create more fire. He didn't realize the car was the thing that was on fire. I think so.

He just panicked. And then he drove through the fire himself. I don't know where this is, Tommy, but recent history says it's probably someone in Canada. I've been having a lot of issues lately. I mean, this is the definition of a shit show. That's a shit show right there. Straight out.

When he fucking, like, I still don't know what this guy's doing. And there's the guy with the fire station. He's got the steering wheel. All right. he can't spray the car because he's driving it down the hill i mean i just yeah why has no here we go yeah i'm going to spray this is the start of it yeah oh the guy was like all right i love the guy's like he's getting burned on the quad and is still drive i it's that's a shit that's a shit that's a shit i might beat you that might

i hope so also here i'll ask you this jeff austin hill kind of kind of started that wreck at the end of that race he seemed very upset that nobody was willing to work with him the other two things here two things first of all you've probably wrecked half of these people at some point this year and the second thing is they are the fastest cars and i don't know they shouldn't have been working with this guy for the last three years you should be working if it dead against this guy in all these played races because there's been multiple times where you just can't let the best car get out front all the time and that's what they did forever they let him get to the lead and once he got to the lead he would control the race and win a lot of them out of the day tony's

probably one 10 years or 10 years. years in a row now. But, you know, I thought it was interesting that he was upset that nobody really was committed to working with him the other night. And I was like, well, you have some people upset with you out there, buddy. I don't know if you're aware of that. Yeah. And I think X thought, you know, says that he wrecked the field just because he was going to

lose the race. But I didn't think that. I mean, I think now Austin Hills to the point where so many people are so mad at him in the fan base and elsewhere, I guess, that anytime he's around something. he's getting... I'm familiar with that scenario. Yeah. But, you know, I think we also have to look at it and be like, all right, let's be

realistic on some of the stuff. I mean, just like Watkins Glen, some people comparing the Watkins Glen thing to the indie thing, it's too different. Now, it's still the same guy. It's still decision making. Any decision making. But it's not an intentional wreck versus overaggressive racing kind of thing, you know? All right, DBC picks.

Tommy, you finally won. me fine. I beat you guys all year. Bullshit. Yes, I did. No, you're not. Yes, I did. I beat you. Oh, shit. Yeah, you are. You're too up on us. It's on page 495. Fucking paperwork.

We've got four schedules. Tommy, my dumb ass. I said, why do we have... Look at all the schedule. I was being stupid. I said, why do we have three copies of the schedule? Freddy goes, it's all the series. Dumbass. Oh.

Sorry It's in order You just Just turn the page It's the next page No Yeah These old heads can't figure it out

Alex It's okay The normal The normal The normal The normal We don't have regular season On here

Oh so we're still We're still rocking Oh but we get to reset Yeah you just get new picks That's bullshit man I plan I bet you wouldn't be saying that If you were not leading

Yeah He's upset about this SVG thing I know Oh I know what I'm gonna do I already have a plan Of sure All right. First of all, where's this next race at? We're going to Darlington.

All right. Right by... Who picks first? Oh, yeah, you'll be by me at Florence. Let me tell you something. Carson's first. Hold on a second. What? If you guys don't have flow, you better get it for this week.

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15% off. Make sure you go to Arby's and get a cheese steak. And get a damn cheese steak on your way now. Somebody text me or send me a message last night that Bowman should buy Blaney a flow subscription for the limit to playoffs.

He got the discount. Didn't he get the discount from you from the athletic? We don't have, I have still perplexed by that. It's like, you have like dollar a month deals all the time and he's like, nah, I'm not going to get that. I tweeted, I think I tweeted, retweeted Jordan's schedule announcement

a couple weeks ago. And the amount of people. that were like, fuck that, I'm not paying. And I'm like, I don't know what it costs because I don't, it's just, it's auto redo or whatever. But I mean, it's a few dollars, right? I mean, it's not a lot of money. I just don't think.

I don't need to go on a rant about this. I just don't think that the fan base understands how fragile the NASCAR media ecosystem is. I mean, we're already down to probably five or six beat writers. I mean, there's a lot of content creators. But I'm talking about the people that are there every week. And the difference is you can make a commentary about whatever you see

or you can do interviews, fun interviews with drivers. But if you're going to get information, you've got to build trust and relationships. We have that issue up in the Northeast. That is a fact. So I just, it's NASCAR as a whole is not that far from really having one or two or zero beatwriters. I mean, so anyway, I think people should get paid for their work. Like Jordan,

plus him, is asked to break the schedule. People should click the links instead of just being like, I know, I can tell that I got you fired up. It did. Because I'm just like, you're stealing.

You just want us to go away. Then where are you going to get all this news? And everybody takes, like Jordan's news will break an announcement, break a, oh, this is going to happen. He's like two weeks ahead of something. And then all these other sites repurpose it. And that's the conversation for a few weeks.

Then it eventually gets officially released or something. But what's everybody going to talk about? Yeah, if Jordan's not there. There's no, yeah. I mean, anyway. You're right? It's just, yeah. What's your blood?

What is it? Blood pressure? Do you know your blood pressure is? Oh, I've been on blood pressure medication all year. Tommy should be. No, I don't need it. I went to the doctor the other day. All right.

I'm first? Yep. Oh, shit. Okay, I am going to take last year's winner, Chase Briscoe. Ooh, that's who I was going to pick. Fuck y'all. Son of a bitch. I will take, man, this guy has not been on a heater lately, but I'm going to pick him anyway.

Reddick. Maybe he'll turn it around this weekend. Well, I got to keep holding it down for the guest's least. the charge here. You don't have to. I mean, you can let us get back in this thing. No, I don't think so. Please.

He's like, no. No, no, that's going to happen. Because I have to buy all these assholes dinner, if not. And the fucked up thing is you've got to buy not only us, but every guest also. It's going to be a 40-person dinner. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Kiss my ass, Freddie. Do I get to come back? Kiss my ass. No way. I'll go with William Byron. That's a good pick. Okay. Thomas?

Okay. Sounds like. It sounds like. It sounds like. That sounds like. Now I need that cup schedule. See, I threw it on a carrie. You on my?

Here. Stop. Stop. I got to take a picture of Tommy's papers all over the floor here. I have so many. Where are we? We're going to Charlington. Then we go to Gateway.

I'm going to Denny Hamlin. It's a good pick. He's good there. One other thing I wanted to touch on before we drive Alex crazy. The fastest lap made a difference, right? Yeah, I didn't even realize that. Um, Xfinity racing a DM me during the tear down the other night. And I'd, they're like, hey, if you want to bring this up on the show and I didn't see it.

But yeah, I mean, Larson, remember when Larson went out twice, I think? Yeah. When he was wrecked. Um, he ended up getting the regular season, or that spot in the points, one extra playoff point by two points. And he got four fastest laps this year. So I don't know what the tiebreaker would have been for that spot. But him going out and getting fastest lap, that actually added to four points, which was one

playoff point. And so, you know, who knows how it's going to shake out in the rounds coming forward, right? I mean, if he makes some round by one point, it's like, wow. I mean, him, everybody's like, what is Cliff doing, you know, kind of thing? But it's why you never give up, I guess. I thought it was funny. The one, was it the last time they did it? Then NASCAR took them as the random.

The random, which we've all known that that random is not random. It's somebody that they have kind of identified as a fast car that maybe didn't finish in the top five that they want to take a look at. But I thought it was funny to know that. You didn't know that? Well, I thought it was funny. They said it on the podcast. They said it on their own podcast. So now you know.

But yeah. Anyway, from the weekend, shout out to Austin Terrace, won the Oxford 250, big race, one of the biggest late model races of the year. I know Corey Day won the Gold Cup. Three in a row.

Three in a row for him. That was, I think, the race kind of sucked, right? They said it rubbered up. Yeah, you obviously didn't get to watch it,

but it was like, the last, I would say, 10 or 12 laps, all of a sudden, every once in a while, the camera would just cut, boom, somebody blew a tire, boom, somebody blew a tire, like it was left and right. I think maybe 12-bunified. I've seen where Hess said he was buying everybody dinner

because I guess they didn't stop and draw yellows. A lot of them just got off the race right off, which is good. We've got a coastal planes this week. Man, I'll see, I got coastal planes on Friday, get up really early on Saturday morning, drive to Darlington for practice and qualifying,

get back in my car, drive to Carteret for Saturday. practice and race at Carter. We got through Friday and Saturday. Both drives. Yep. Luke and Jack. Luke's driving for the other team. Hermie Saddle. Yep.

So that's doubleheader? Yeah. Great weekend. That's a fun weekend. Glock, what are you up to this week? I know you got Media Day coming? Yeah, I mean, right here on the dirty mo. Well, you guys have your own YouTube channel.

So I shouldn't say right here on this channel because you guys are special. But on the Dirty Mo Media page, we're getting each playoff hour 15 minutes each, I believe, Jordan and I. So I was thinking about actually asking I've never heard Chase Has Chase ever actually talked about whether he's aware of the term Chase sexual? This would be not to my knowledge.

Yeah, I don't think Chase is a huge podcast. But don't you think somebody's brought to his attention or when people had autographed signings? I'm a chase sexual. He's like, what? I'm sure he don't. You know him. He don't pay attention.

He don't care. He brushes it. You need to ask. Yeah, I want to know. I'm going to ask. Are you aware of the term Chase sexual and what do you think of it? Yeah.

I would be funny. He may just look. He might just stare at you from that. I think we need to get his dad on the show. Bill? Awesome, Bill. It'd be fun. It'd be fun.

But other than that, you're not going to Darlington, skipping this one? No, I'm staying for the court hearing on Thursday. I don't know anything about that. I thought we were tailgating that. No, no, that's December. Oh. That's the trial. That's the trial, yeah.

Yeah, the preliminary injunction hearing is. So this is the, they've refiled the preliminary injunction to, try to get to retain their charter status. But this is, whether they get it or not, this is intriguing because the judge had sort of signaled like, hey, like a lot of the stuff that, so when they put these filings out, there's this court system, you could see all the paperwork, right? But for the public, so much of it is redacted. There's just these giant black boxes over a lot of the information.

And the judge had signaled in the last one, like, hey, I'm not going to really be able to do this for much longer. this is going to have to start to come out. So it seems like there's a chance where we're going to start to see some of what they found in discovery. You know, NASCAR has been having to turn over emails and text, 2311 and front row been having turned over emails and text, RTA, all this stuff, right? So like in NASCAR's filing recently, they already kind of got a head out of this something that the teams must have found discovery where some, Some communication between NASCAR executives said that there was, quote, zero wins. They were sort of bragging, apparently.

There was zero wins for the teams at some point in the deal. They were saying, hey, yeah, we made sure the teams didn't get anything. It sounds like that, right? So NASCAR in their filing came out of it preemptively and was like, this is taken out of context, is not what we meant. So it seems like on Thursday some more stuff like that may come out in the public. So obviously that could be really intriguing. and if we start to hear some of the behind the scenes on both sides. What do you think?

What's your, you think this eventually gets settled before we go to trial? So it kind of depends who you talk to in what day, but my, if they, if they settle, it's probably going to be the night before or something. But there's a lot of feeling that there's,

both sides are so dug in that it's going all the way, you know, and, um, Because the judge keeps saying, man, you guys really need to work this out. Like you really need to go to mediation. Like he keeps signaling. He's kind of frustrated, like take care of this.

But he's like, I'll be here to be the judge and be the referee if you need me in December. It starts December 1st. But he's like, you guys should really work this out. But I think both sides are so, you know, Jim France is a very strong-willed man. And he doesn't like what they're. the teams have done, the teams feel that NASCAR's wronged them. And so I think both are maybe set to go all the way in this. And man, it's going to be absolutely fascinating if it gets to that point.

Oh, we didn't say anything about Humpy Wheeler. Oh, man, yeah. Yeah, Tommy, that's probably more for you. I didn't really, I met him once, but I didn't have any relationship with him. That's somebody that I'm sure you had. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, just he's, just think of all the things he's done to the sport for the sport. Yeah, he's going to be missed.

Obviously, he's been out of it for a while, but his impact on the next generation of people who learn from him will continue to grow. Yeah, it's definitely, you know, I'm really happy for him and his family that he was elected to the Hall of Fame why he was still alive. So at least he got to enjoy a little bit of that. So his legacy will continue for sure. I was taking notes in the Hall of Fame meeting thing, right, because he came up for the Landmark Award, and I think he was the first person that got spoken about. And I have like half a page of notes just on it. Because everybody started talking about him, right?

Like all the things he did. And like, yeah, but you also don't know that he mentored, you know, this person and this person. And, you know, he got all these, you know, he, it was like the legend car scene and, you know, helping Dale Sr. And helping Kowicki and, you know, just like the, we all know, yeah, he sent Robosaurus and had flying buses and pre-ray stunts and had the lights. But the amount of stuff that he did in the industry for people behind the scenes are just sort of a mentor role and making sure that... But someone like with, like, after they got done, was like, wow, didn't really realize

that this guy did so much for individuals. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it was like, all right, let's vote. It's like, this is a... Yeah, and that was... It's over. Yeah. But yeah, that's a good place to end because he will be dearly missed.

by a lot of people in this sport. Again, thanks for coming, Jeff. Thanks everybody for listening. We're out. See ya.