Door Bumper Clear - Jimmy Spencer on the State of NASCAR Racing in 2025

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Mr. Excitement, Jimmy Spencer, joins Freddie, Tommy, and Karsyn on Door Bumper Clear this week! Jimmy’s tell-it-like-it-is attitude shines bright from the start as he gives us his thoughts on the state of NASCAR racing in 2025, what he really thinks of drivers running half-throttle at Talladega, and why he thinks Austin Hill’s middle finger to the haters is the wrong decision. Plus, the DBC crew debates if Joe Gibbs Racing is a lock to win the Championship, discusses the current TV ratings battle in motorsports, and drop some Silly Season news you haven’t heard yet! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Are we going to start the show? Are you going to start soon? Yeah. What's the show about? What if we left all the spotters out of every race? That's a fucking terrible idea. Oh God, don't get him started. Don't get him started.

We got you here because you can't. You know what's funny. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my head. Let's fight. Let's get it over with us.

Knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny. That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never.

And here they come, never and like they never have before. Not enough of you, motherfucket. What's up everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson, and Gio Orgero this week. Big winner. Wow.

Pretty solid weekend this weekend. Almost pulled two of them off. But unfortunately, got passed on the last corner there. That was a tough one. It was nothing you could do. No, we were sitting down. You were going to wreck. You got to wreck.

Oh, one second. Did you clear him on the back straight away in the truck race? Yeah. Damn, you were lucky. I was watching that, and I said, that spotter needs a pair of fucking glasses. Jimmy. Jimmy. That was close.

Jimmy, we got to introduce you first. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Jimmy. Jimmy, we got to introduce you. Tommy. I love. Okay, Tom, what do you got?

You still Tommy Baldwin? Yeah, I'm still today. Tommy Fran. Not Tommy Fran. No, Tommy Friends. No, we've got Spencer on. No friend. Elton said to me there yesterday.

He says, damn, I didn't know there's Tommy France stuff existed. I said, oh, yeah. Tommy's been kissing NASCAR's ass on here all year. Yeah, right. We changed his last name. Carson, how are you today? Glad to be back. Only missed you guys a little bit.

Are you sure? Just a little bit. But I was doing important things. I was in, wait, wait, what? I was in Austin at Flow, making sure that we could keep our FlowSports link on the show. So it's flow sports. link slash door bumper clear. And if you couldn't tell already,

our special guest this week, Mr. Excitement himself, Jimmy Spencer. Jimmy, welcome to Doorbubber Clear, buddy. How are you, sir? I'm doing good. Speaking of Flow, is that Flow TV? Yep. Greatest thing has happened to short track racing in the world.

It's amazing. It's incredible. You can watch anything you want. Literally, I mean, there's always something going on. And, you know, people will tell me, like I have some financial people up in Winston, and they'll say, holy hell I just watch one of the best

Sprint car races ever or I've watched one of the best Oh, keep it up Flo. Yeah. Jimmy, you would have never made it to Cup if Flo was during all the years. No, probably not. Okay, so just be glad. But you know what, Tommy, my dad always taught me, and you should know this. And your old man was just as tough as

my dad was. He said, listen, if you want friends, bring them... You buy a dog. No, no. No. No. No. He says, if you want friends, bring them to the track. Yeah. Yeah. You guys brought a whole shitload of him. Yeah, we'll get it. into that because I grew up spotting for the bluets who I know back before I was around obviously

I spotted for Jimmy and John the third you race with John Jr. and grandpa a lot and then Tony Hirschman wanted us to bring up a story from Evergreen one day that we'll have to... Hey, you wrecked the guy. Not me. You know, your dad did. You still remember that. Oh, hell, you

don't forget. They chased you out of the track, I heard. Oh, they chased. No, we own the track. We don't own the track. They said they tore the fence down trying to get on the race track. was funny is, it was, it was, my dad, my dad had the shortest fuse temper. No. Get out of here. I mean, you know, right?

No. And he wrecked Hirschman because I, I was leading, I was going to win the race. Tony's a hell of a race car driver. But I was going to win the race, and my spur gears broke. So I pulled into pits and, like, no radios. And my dad's way, and he wrecks Hirschman because he's leading the race. Wasn't there a points battle going on? No.

No, I think it was just that race. It was like a race of champions. It was a race of champions. Yeah, a qualifier. And I think I went on and won on the race. that year. But anyway, and my,

this guy comes over and he, and he starts running his mouth to my brother. And he goes, I wish your old man was dead. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus Christ. They put him in the ambulance. Yeah.

Again, if flow was on, he would have never made it to cup. Yeah, little Tony spots for tie down. He said, yeah, you got to ask. He's like, I think they tore the fence down trying to get on the racetrack to fight everybody. So the Hirschman that spots. That's his...

Tony's son. Oh, cool. Yeah. Because they own... I think they own a junkyard in Pennsylvania. He's got the speed shop. A speed shop. Yeah, like he's like a Troyer.

But his kid, his kid's doing really good. Matt, yeah. Matt's probably. And Tony did really well. I wonder why they never moved, try to move busher. Well, Matt did a little bit with, he tried some stuff with Ray early on in it, I think in early 2000s, but just never panned out. Unfortunately, great talent.

They are good talent. How much do you get to watch these days? How much, you know, do you get to watch often, weekly? I enjoy flow. I'm pretty good friends with a lot of the dirt, late model guys. Man, they put on some shows. That damn Pierce kid is incredible. Yeah, he's pretty special.

And I started racing, Freddy. I started racing in dirt. And my girlfriend, which was my wife of, I don't know how many years. One of my favorite people both of them. Saint, just a saint, you think? Oh, yeah. Hanging out with him? My dad had, my dad was, he was, I love him that he was tough son bitch.

But anyway, so I'm following, so Jimmy Nave started on the pole. I started third in a 50 lap race at Port Royal. And I followed Jimmy forever, 49 laps. And there's a soupy hole in turn four. And Jimmy keeps hitting it and he's, and every time he moves up, I said, oh, if he hits it just right, I can beat him. So he hits it just right. I beat him to the start, finish line by six inches.

The fans thought I wrecked it. The fans thought I hit him. And in the winter circle, they threw stuff at us, and they hit my girlfriend, Pat, my wife with a beer bottle. Busted her head. And I said, you know, I never touched that. Me and you sons of bitches will never see me back to this track again. Jimmy Knave later got hurt later on in his career,

but Jimmy Nave and his wife, we were good friends. So the following week, Jimmy gets up on the thing after the national anthem. And Jimmy said, let me tell you fan something. That young man followed me last week never touched me one time. And he says, I moved up, I hit the bump and moved up,

and he beat me. And for what you did to that young lady is awful. But I never came back. The promoter Jerry Clark wanted me to come back. There was about six races to go in the season or whatever, and I quit. Because I said, there's something better to do.

And what's funny, you know, I'm Jack Johnson. I wanted to go dirt racing in the modifies. So I went up into New York and Lou LaZero and all those guys. And Jack Johnson, he knew who I was and I said, Jack. I said, I think I'm going to buy a tour car. I think I'm going to go dirt racing. He looked at me and he says, damn, man, no way. There ain't no future in dirt racing.

You need to go NASCAR. And that's what I went, NASCAR modified racing. Yeah. I remember my dad, so like I will tell you, you were my dad's favorite modified driver. a long time. A favorite cup driver, I should say, because you came from the Modifieds. And, you know, he, like I said, he grew up racing Riverhead and Ice Lips, so you got to watch your race all the time. So he was

Tommy, you'll tell you, like, for a Modified guy, anytime a Modified guy makes it, it's like we all rally around. And Cheramazzo's like you and Saxe were his two guys at the time. But, you know, talk about these days now, like, just the NASCAR side of it. What is, from the outside looking in again now, what's, give me your state of the union for what you feel

like in NASCAR. You know, I'll relate back to I was still I spent a long time ago uh we were at Bristol doing TV and love them both to death Matt Kenseth and Tony Stewart and they got in a little scrubble and Tony got wrecked and Tony stood at the end of pit road with his helmet and he threw it at uh Matt the fans went freaking crazy they find him like 50 grand I went in the trailer the following week and I said where in the hell you guys going? I said, this is how the old man

would handle it, being Bill France. He'd have called Tony in the hauler. He'd say, Tony, how much was that helmet? Two grand. Here's the two grand. Do that again next week. That's the difference between how the old man ran the sport and how politically correct

they're trying to make the sport today. And to me, I think that they really did a lot to subdue the drivers. And in turn, think that the last few years, I think the drivers have come so freaking boring. And this is the problem. Okay. Danny on one hand, he says, I kicked the driver's favorite ass.

That the sport needs more of. My buddy Kenny Wallace used to say it best. We are not the water cooler talk anymore. Monday morning, we're not the water cooler talk. And I think that the drivers need to learn a lot as far as trying to get the fans involved, trying to get the diehard fans and say, you know, like, why do people like the Cowboys? I mean, why do people like a baseball team, the Yankees, whatever? I mean, the Yankees and Red Sox, they hate one another.

They really don't, but it's a rivalry. We don't have that today. It's pitiful. NASCAR needs to get these drivers to realize that these fans want to see something and not, well, we had a good day today, you know, the Toyota. No. Yeah. That son of the bitch spun me out, you know, or whatever.

Remember Rusty and Earnhardt. Erndart, Rusty threw a bottle of water. He called him rubberhead. All kind of stuff. It's awful. The problem, again, you're going to call me Tommy NASCAR. Here we go. Tommy NASCAR.

The problem is it's the, I feel it's the culture change, right? Because what happened was is, what started happening was our favorite driver with a sponsor in the car, would wreck somebody. and then the fans would go off to the company that was on the car and say, we're never going to buy your product again because you guy did this and you guy did that. Our whole culture changed. And then we had to hold back all of us, all of our drivers a little bit and say, man, we can't do this because we're going to lose the sponsor. We're going to do all this because the fans are one side cheering and then on the other side complaining.

So it's like a real fine line right now, unfortunately, right? We just, yeah, we need to start doing it and start adjusting the culture to really enjoy it. But it's the companies, right? It's all the Fortune 500, Fortune,000 companies that are controlling it. So, yeah, I wish. I wish we could all go do what we need to do and go have some fun, right? Not fighting, Tom. No, no, but just, you know.

But it's going to lead to that, right? Remember, I mean, how many times growing up we watched guys argue with one another, they didn't punch one another. just argue that son of a bitch spun me up. He does it again on a park his ass in the grandstand. I mean, I don't know. You know what, though? What it reminds me of is you tell me this is the best hamburger joint in Mooresville.

We go to that hamburger joint. We eat the hamburger. And I go, Tommy, this thing's a piece of crap. It's terrible. That's where our sport is. The people are like, I can't watch our, you know. And I think it's hard for NASCAR to try to fix it. I got to tell you.

Yeah. And, you know, we talked about this last week at the ratings. The ratings are obviously not great right now. The star power is down like you're talking about. The playoffs, does that affect it? You know, we have all this playoff talk. I like the playoffs. I do.

I think that we're going to have a hell of a race at Martinsville. I mean, how to have it gives us. I mean, you look yesterday how lucky the 19 was. You look at how unlucky the 24 was. So to me, I think the TV does a terrible job of explaining. how bad that really was. Yeah. And Ty Dillon, the son of a bitch wrecked the 24 leading the race, and it's okay.

No, it's not okay. You cost that guy the champion. You cost that guy a shot the champion. And to me, that's the problem, because I'm going to tell you the way it is. And then you got the TV guys going, well, you know, he was awful high in the track. It really was. Bullshed. He wrecked the 24.

Not intentional. Yeah. But he still wrecked him. But he wrecked him. And, you know, then the tie goes, well, the spotter said I was pittin. That's bullshit. I mean, the kid, no matter what, if you're lapsed down or whatever, you need to be aware of, I remember a little Daryl Waltrip telling me, the guy's not aware what's going on around him, Junior Johnson. The guy's Bobby Allison, you need to be aware what's going on around you.

Exactly. And these guys don't. Exactly. I thought that was interesting. Chris Rice, obviously, stand up for his driver last week, but he made a comment like, it's not on the 10 car at all. And I'm like, how could it not be on the 10 car? Who's that guy?

Chris Rice is the president of the race team of colleague racing. And he made a comment like, he must need a pair of glasses. He made a comment like, you know, even if he waived, nobody's going to see him because these guys can't get their hand out the window. I said, I don't know if you've been paying attention. My guy went viral two weeks ago because his arm was out the window flipping Denny off. You know, like they can see when they want to get their hand out the window.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the 11th cost of 23. Cool. Cool, not cool. That wasn't cool. No, it wasn't cool. But that's what I mean. He was mad because he lost.

He's just mad because he lost. I like old Bubba. You know, Bubba won. The first time McDonald's car won since I won, and 94 was Bubba. So I was proud of him. That's cool. I'm going to get a cheeseburger, Bubba on you.

You know, let's talk. You probably still got the coupons in the 70s. I still got the dolls. We used to strap the dolls to the roll cage, you know, the fluffy and all those guys. You know what I would love to know is, you know, obviously we transition this to Talladega this week. Obviously, your two cup wins come at plate races.

One of the better plate races in your career, honestly. How would you handle if we told you had to go out there and ride around half throttle all day long so we can get in a decent position at the end? You know, I'm looking at that guy right there. One of the best ever. Do you ever think he rode half throttle? I remember I was in Dover.

This is my first year in a cup. And we had got in a little controversy the week before. And Earnhard had qualified like 18th, and I had qualified 70s. So we were both riding around in the pickup truck. And Earnhardt goes across. And then people go, both. You know, you don't know who's more, Boo, or Ye. And I'm like, oh, wow.

What a person to follow. So I follow him. and I'm like, what the hell's going on? I mean, a lot of booze. And I get in the truck and he puts his arm around me, he says, you're doing a good job. And I go, what?

He says, listen, here comes Brett Bodine across. You see what I'm talking about? It was interesting. Holy cow. Editor's note, dispensers and bodines did not get along. Okay, keep going, Jimmy. Anyway, that was it, you know, Aaron Hart.

I mean, he didn't give it damn. He pushed the pedal. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what... There's a lot of pressure on the drivers to win. I mean, I don't know. It's tough. Talladega was an interesting race. I did watch yesterday because I was coming on this show, but football was a lot more exciting.

And that's what happens to a lot of drivers. You know, they play protect, protect, protect. That's some bitch. Let me tell you, if you ever beat him, you drove your ass off. I remember Jeremy Mayfield bumping Earnhardt at Pocono. Just a little moved him up. Same thing Earnhardt would have done. Earnhardt's giving him the high five and he cost him a race.

But that was Earnhardt. He didn't give him the high five. Well, he didn't give him a high five. But, you know, that was Earnhardt. You know, like yesterday's race, and Tommy, you can allude to this too. It's such a hard race to even figure out what the hell you want to do. because normally as a spotter on my side of it with Bubba, I'm taking every run.

There's a run coming in this lane. I can block it. They're going to push me to the front. But then as I'm getting ready to do that, they're like, Freddie, we don't want to lead any lanes. That's too bad on fuel.

And I'm like, well, fuck. Now we're stuck in the middle. We're getting swallowed up on both sides. You don't even know. And now, like, how hard is it to call from down on the box? Like, how hard do you want to push?

Where do you want to go? I mean, we went from 5-2 to 6-9 and fuel mileage. Just, all right, you got to back it down. All right, you can go a little bit. You got them back it down. All right, pick up some positions. All right, get to the bottom because we're getting ready to pit. Okay, stay where you are.

I mean, just, you know, it was a... Hey, you're not speaking of that stuff. The Grey Ghost. Oh, yeah. Do you ever think he left it? No, no, ever? I mean, but it's what made our sport. Yeah.

And the problem is, like, and some of the newer fans, I think, like, I think our die-hard fans can look at it and realize, holy shit, they can run 47 flat. but they're running 51-20s or whatever. But the people that are new to it, they just see us three-wide and think, this is fucking awesome. And I'm in there going, this is awful.

It's five-wide at once. Yeah, like, I'm like, this is terrible. I'm like, this sucks. Thank God we have the Tona Tala Dago. Yeah. Because it is good racing, and I don't know how to fix that fuel thing. I think the old, I mean, Tommy,

I don't know, you probably have better ideas than me. Like, you either have to, I think you either got to eliminate the stages or have more of them, whatever it is to make it so we're not just sitting there saving fuel and worried about the last pistols up. But I think you're still. going to like that last pit stop.

I was thinking about it yesterday. The only way you do is eliminate it. I mean, you can't. Eliminate the stage. I mean, still, I would say still pay it. Pay it. Pay points. Just don't think, right?

That's a good point. I don't think, it's just, if you know there's a caution, you're going to play your game to that caution. And then you're going to play your whole game to the next caution. So the only way, that's why we didn't do it back in the day. There was no stages, right? And I will say yesterday, and we saw this a little bit at the end of the Daytoner, race, the last Daytona race, we were

able to get a third lane going when everybody was running hard. I mean, it took a lot to get it going. They weren't running hard when the third lane started. Well, I mean, it was still faster than the 51 flats that we were earlier. Because when the lane, think about with a 10 lap to go or whatever, Kyle Bush got up on the outside, hauling ass.

Then all it wants, the two bottom lanes got going. So the third lane never did. Yeah. I mean, it pushed. You could just look at those. You could just look at Laptime. Anything on the over 51 flat, you would save him. You could go wherever you want. Those are things NASCAR got to listen to. That isn't a bad idea.

I think the stage racing is good. You know, one of the worst things I've seen is, to me, right around. If the caution comes out, you pit it, you get a free lap. No, no, no, no. I made three laps at Myrtle Beach. I remember Irr and Army laps. I remember Cowbush. You know, to me, I think that it takes all the guesswork out of the crew chiefs.

Well, if we pit, it doesn't matter, we just stay out and we'd get the drive around. Yeah. I would eliminate the drive around. But you got to remember, back when they did that, it was for safety reasons, because when the cost to come out, the leaders would let off. We could come from a half a lap back and go like a banshee, right, and pass the leader before the... And, you know, Tommy, speaking of that, I was involved in that a little bit. We were at New Hampshire when that rule come out.

Because I remember Dale Jarrett, something happened. He cut it... And he's sitting, the poor bugger. sitting in the middle of four. Yeah. They were at the exit. And son of a bitch, I was involved. There was like four of us had to get her lap back.

Yeah. And, man, and, you know, Helton falling week, and and what he got hurt, who the hell knows? But, boy, you could have hurt him. Yeah. So I think that was a good call on NASCAR's part to say, we're not doing this no more. So it's a double-edged sorts of times.

That was more for safety. I don't have any problems with that. But I still don't think they should get to drive around. I really don't. And then... Maybe one. but not 15 cars. Yeah, like if they all pay.

Well, one time it's like, you know, it's like a big thing for NASCAR to say, well, we only got 13 cars on a lead lap. And then all it wants, we have 26. You know, so that don't mean nothing to the fan. The fan doesn't give a damn who got their lap back or not, but the fan cares about his action in the front. Yeah, maybe if they don't pit, they still restart in the front. The leaders are in behind and closes more.

Yeah, at least they're half a lap back. The question comes out, then they get the lap back. There's a lot of things. And the drivers will tell us we're assholes, but we don't know what we're talking about. But I can remember sitting many of times in the hall with Bill France and mainly Rusty, me, Mark Martin, those guys. And the old man would look at us and go, and not met the fans. Yeah. So guys remember.

And, you know, and I think that, speaking of the fans, I think they need to do stuff like this. That's a hell of an idea. A couple of ideas that NASCAR really needs to look at, not include the drivers. That's why they call me Tommy NASCAR, Jimmy. Bill France, I remember Bill France would call you in. I remember the one time Ford was one, hell, like eight or nine, ten races with the Taurus. And France called Earnhardt and me in and I shut the door. And what's going on?

I said, hell the Ford's and y'all get like thousand counts of down for us. He says, so, you know, the meeting never happened. But the following week he gave shit, the luminous help. The one thing the old man knew was how to balance the competition. I guess it's a little more corporate today, but you could go into the trailer and close the door, the old man chew your ass out or not. I mean, I don't know.

It's a lot different. The only thing that's unbalanced in the competition now is money. Yeah. That's true. Tommy, the craziest thing I think at the end of that race yesterday, and I think we saw a little bit in Daytona, I feel like these guys are even short-filling on the last pit stop now. You don't have a choice.

You know, to keep your track position, right? Like, yeah, like, they're either just putting in enough or they're actually putting in not enough banking on being able to save in the final stage. I mean, final stage, it was like, what, 18 to go when we went back green with that last run and people were still trying to save fuel because they didn't take enough to make it to the end

coming off pit road. Like, where are we at? Like, how the fuck have we gotten here? At that point, that's the point you get to to get the track position because then it's time to race, right? You can go from last, last to 10th and two laps the whole race. The whole race.

Just go to the bottom, suck up, hang out, but then all of a sudden you lost two laps of fuel. So it's like, all right, now is your time. All right, well, what are we going to do? Well, unfortunately, Akasha come out, right? Yeah, so now everybody's in the same boat, right? Because you all got a pit. And now you got to take fuel.

Well, the only way I'm going to go from, you know, the guys are like from 15th on back we're saving. Well, Akasha comes out now to screw. They can jump, yeah, because you're screwed. Yeah, you're not going to be able to jump everybody. You can't jump everybody. The only way to can jump them is short pit, right? Take a half a second, yeah, short fill, and try to jump the field on pit road.

Because now everybody's racing. You're not passing anybody anymore. So, yeah, everybody, that was a, that was a, who else running out of gas? The five was, I think, the only one that ran out. But, I mean, we saw it even on Saturday. You know, guys are running out on that in the Saturday race just by, you know, not taking enough fuel. HMS as a whole, honestly, had a rough go. at it yesterday.

Chase got caught up. Yeah, Chase got caught up early. Nothing he could do. I think he just got caught in a big one. And three when I think it was E.J. Got a little push to no over that bump in three and just kind of turned him. Hard shot for A.J. Almondinger.

He took a, that was a big shot. Glad to see. He kind of knocked the win. Leading race. Yeah. And not even his own. None of his doing. What was?

Oh, the 43 hit the set. The four. The four. Yeah. That was a brilliant move. This is what I. I'm talking about. I'm going to push you in the corner.

You dumb son of a bitch, what's wrong with you? And causes a big wreck. That to me is stupidity. Seriously. And what's interesting is... What Darrow Waltzpaw always said, be aware what's going on around you. Why did Danny Hamlin win so many plate races?

Why did... They could be talking about... But they used common sense. That was a dumb move. Patience. And the thing that's interesting about that is... Oh, that was the last left, though, wasn't it? I was wrong.

No, that was earlier. No, that was earlier. I know. Oh. I'm like, what the fuck? But a couple years ago, we almost killed Eric with the same push. You know, we were pushing him with John Hunter pushing us. And we, that same spot on the racetrack, that same bump over the tunnel.

Or that was a little late later. But, you know, so, you know, he probably, but you're just, I don't even know where you're going. Because that was even in the beginning of a run. Well, you got, when Bubba did that, you guys all just pitted as Toyota. Yeah, we were trying to haul ass. You guys were trying to haul ass. Yeah, we were trying to push on. Yeah.

But still, that was... A lot of it got smoke. It was so electrical fire, something going on with black smoke. AJ, pull my finger. I like old AJ. Pull my finger. How about... How about that road racer?

SVG? He's pretty good, huh? No, he's the best who ever was. Ever is, still. I mean, that son of a bee. Whoever thought... I remember watching Watkins Glen. I was back in the day,

and I was watching Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon. And they passed one another, like every corner. And they were going to the first turn and who wheel hop the most. And I thought to myself, what a race. And I don't remember who won. I could care less. But I know the fans enjoyed it.

And I'm like, well, if that's F, SF, whatever. SVG. SVG was there. All he would have done was eased on the clutch. I mean, think about that. Right? I mean, it's amazing that how damn good. Ryan Priest was telling me, we were out of Vegas.

He said, Jimmy, you know, you know from the modified, you've got to save the tires. And what he does save the tires, like, no tomorrow. I said, I was watching him, I think it, Mexico. The son of a bitch was running a second lap faster. I was like, wow, cool. Your road course. I did good. Oh, yeah, I did.

I got third. Well, I'll tell you what, though. You know, I love old Mark Martin to death, and he apologized for it. But I was second, and Wally, Wollembach was third. and there was three or four laps to go. I was driving for Bobby Allison. And my car was faster than Mark's. And I was going to pass him at the top of the S's

to the before the chicane. Jack Rush loved him to death, but evidently he told Mark to make sure that he held me up while he could get by the finish one, two. And I was going into the corner, and I said, I could take both these sons of bitches out. And I didn't. And I ended up third.

And I talked to Bobby about it, and Bobby says, and never second guess yourself. So I should have done it. But no, and then I won out a good time. Bobby Allison again, I won Brainer in Minnesota and the ASA car. Johnny Benson, I love him to death. He was going to kick my ass that day. Nah.

No, what's going to happen? I had hell of a car. That was for Gunterman. I think you heard of Gunterman. That guy had cars. Kenny Schrader said, if you ever get to drive a gunerman car, drive it. And I would tell him I was feeling it. Every time he'd make the car faster and faster,

I was like, holy cow, you know. It's interesting priest had anything about saving tires since he's never done that in his entire life. No, but Ryan, but Ryan. I saw your face when he said that. But you know the one thing about him. I was watching him. Jackie Root and I had to do a TV for NASCAR modifies.

And we were out there at Riverhead, one slip. That was I slip, one slip, Riverhead. and the boy was leading the race and I think I forget who he was driving for but anyway he was leading the race and a lap car spun him out man he didn't lose his cool went to the rear Quebec got second

I said to Jackie a boy there can drive a race car and my point is is that he could there's a lot of guys out there like that but today in today's world if you don't have a tremendous amount of money

or a father that's got a tremendous amount of money or grandpap, you can't make it. Now I'm helping a guy up in Indiana with his daughter. Hopefully we could get her, she's looking good. But he called up Gibbs 100,000 for an arc of car. Yeah.

I said 100, I said all she needs is some track time. We'll work on it, you know. But, and you're talking about money. It hurts. And I believe NASCAR in all truthfulness.

If I had to control the NASCAR, I like what they're doing with the Camaro's, your kids racing and Harvard kids racing. Car store stuff? Yeah, I like, I watched that someone flow. They had put a good race on and Wolfspa the other day. Thank you.

And I was watching... No, you didn't. Heel in and looped in. Shut up. But to me, I think NASCAR needs to have a series, a division, with fiberglass bodies, about 30, 35 grand.

And if you come to the track, you have options, three shocks. Some shock come to you make a two, three, and a four shock, eight-inch tires, whatever. And you limit it to, now all the ones we're seeing who the better driver is. Jimmy, they did. It was called the truck series. No, no, Tommy. And then what happened to it?

They were running short tracks. They were running short tracks. They had a cap on tires. You had, you know, brakes. The old man was. stand his fucking ground. Yeah. They're weak.

You got to stand your ground. I remember when the old man said, this is the way it's going to be, like it or not. And to me, that's what we need. We need to get the talent from the dirt, cars, the flow racing. You know, I mean, the other thing that I believe in is that that shows the talent. I mean, who's that Riley Herbst? That poor sonbatch can't drive nothing. Are you going to pick on every one of my fucking teammates?

No, he can't. I mean, we know he's not going to be in that car next year. He is going to be in the next year, I think. I hope. Hey, he said he likes Bubba. You're doing good there. So who's going in there? I thought, where are they doing with the Levin driver?

Heim? Yeah. I don't really know at this point. I think he's definitely got some part-time stuff, but I don't know if he's going to be full-time anything. Well, they're making a mistake. Evidently, that kid's bringing a sponsor. Makes a lot of sense.

Because that damn He can drive a truck. He can drive about anything. So I'm going, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I know. That's all I'm saying. So if your daddy got a lot of money, daddy, somebody's got a fat pocketbook. I mean, it's awful. Now, we got this kid 88.

Zilich. Yeah. I never met him. You'd like him. Oh, it doesn't matter. I like him. I like it because the bastard pushes the pedal. Oh, my God, is he awesome?

I'm looking forward to him. And I love watermelon man. I remember watermelon man out at Phoenix two years ago, whatever, and the TV people are saying, you know, these guys are racing for a championship? I was like, shut the hell up. It was Burton.

I said, shut the hell up. The guy's racing to win the race. And he wants them to slow down and let, you know, I forget who won the championship at the time. Who? Lamy. I'm like, and I called up, watermelon man. I called up Ross, and I said,

Ross, listen to me. don't listen to those sons of bitches because if we lose the desire that you have to win and move over then we lost our we lost our we lost everything it's awful are we going to start the show are you going to start soon yeah uh what's the show about see the fun thing is i could say what's on my mind yeah i love it that's why we got you here's the point of dbc thank you yeah no that's why you're here. Because some of these guys surely have I will. Before we move on, I do have to give shit to Joe White. That's okay. I was

going to say, before we move on, that's the one thing I want to know. Joe White was the spotter of the 10 car last week with the pit road incident who did nothing wrong. He went, I can now talk about it because last week they were asking me not to talk to those guys. Joe said, don't mention my name. Then he went on a media tour this week and did every fucking

piece of me. By media tour, you mean Twitter. He was on Good Morning America. He was on Good Morning America. I think he was on articles. And I guess. He didn't want his name mentioned at the time, but obviously what happened. But it was funny that he got fired after Chris said the 10 did nothing wrong, which I thought was interesting. He got fired? He got fired.

But he was getting replaced next year anyway. So they just kind of jumped ago. Yeah, exactly. But it, you know, it's, I can tell you that he went down to Brandon and it was kind of exactly what I thought might have happened. He'd get the old wave pointed to the bottom, meaning he's pitting. Brandon thought that meant you're giving me the bottom. And just that's the miscommunication up there. why William never knew that he was pitting

because they thought they were just getting the bottom lane and not coming to pit road. That's good to know. Was the miscommunication on the 24 side of it. But still, Ty should have been waving or fucking weaving or something to let William know himself. He also should have looked in the mirror. Yes.

He should have looked going down the back straightaway. What's happening? And you're so far out of it at that point. There was no reason to even pit there. Like just get out of his way and then, you know. Figure it out. And go the next lap or so. So did you guys all meet this weekend and talk about it?

You spot all these spotters? So you wouldn't screw it out up again? What if we left? What if we left all the spotters out of every race? That's a fucking terrible idea. Oh, God. Don't get him started. Don't get him started.

We got you here because of, you can't. You know, it's funny, Tommy. I walked through the garage area a couple of years back. And these fucking crew members thought the sport evolved around them. I mean, all of them. I was like, you can't be serious. Those fans don't know who the hell you are. They don't know who the drivers are.

But anyway. But no, seriously, why? Forget the money. Forget, I thought about this. What if we left the spotters out? No, Jimmy. We didn't have those spotters in the modifies. We didn't have those spotters in the bushcars.

No, but in all truthfulness, I mean, it's for safety. Oh, I know that. I know that. But, you know, you think back when Richard Petty and those guys didn't have spotters. But then again, the field was so separated. today the field is so condensed. Yeah. And I'll be the first to tell you now that with the cameras they have in there,

you know, Bubba probably relies on me less than he did, you know, in the past with, you know, being able to clear himself. But it's still, you know, like we talked about it at Wilkesboro and we couldn't see from, you know, we were talking about it. And I think Briscoe was the one that said, like, the camera's so good. I don't need my guy really back there. And I go, you do when you come around the corner, there's a fucking car sitting there and you tee-boned him because you didn't know he was there.

Like, I get that. I'm driving for Dick Moroso. So I think Mike Wallace, they let Mike Wallace go, and I'm going to drive for Moroso. I think after the Molly Black Gold Deal, after Charlotte. So we're in Orange County. And Mark Greener, I love him the death, one of the best cruchees I ever had.

So we're working on the car, and it is freaking fast. It was a speedway car. And Mark didn't know what to do. The last time I was in Orange County, I lapped the field. Because I love Orange County. It reminds me a hauling and stuff. You know, a driver relates to tracks. And, I mean, we're gone.

Robert Presley's second. And I've got a straightaway lead on him. And Dick Maroso's spotting. And I loved him to death, too. But the guy that he owned a junkyard in South Carolina, Billy, oh, man. Anyway, Billy Stanrich. And he, good guy.

47 car. Yeah. And Billy, Billy's running around there, and he blows up going into the first turn. Well, I don't see it. You know, I'm coming off a turn four. And I heading down the straightaway, and I went, fuck. Boom, wreck. Mark Wien who comes on the radio, I says, in the wall, Mark goes, dick, what the fuck were you doing?

He goes, well, he had such a lead on the, he had such a lead on the second place car. I wanted to make sure that Presley wasn't catching us. And it costs me a race. So you need spot. Well, that's why I guess I'm getting. No, no, no. You're working way back on our side. That's what that's interesting.

So there's always a two sides to everything. All right. Well, since we're back on the spot. Okay, let's go. Let's continue, Freddie. I do have to give a shout out of the GEO for winning the race on Friday. He did a great job. Truck was super, super fast.

Jeremy and them guys brought a really good truck. Jeremy, I mean, Gio did everything that. I asked him to do and more. He was just, I mean, he was unbelievable in the race. I don't think he did anything wrong all day. Except cutting that guy off of the box straight away. We clear, right? Wow, was that luck?

I hear you family now. I did get, I did get the kiss on both cheeks and Victor Lane from dad. You got the Italian double kiss. It's over now. Oh, yeah, it's over. I might be adopted, I think. Forever. So, yeah.

But no, he did a fantastic job, and that's his first win. Good for him. I was really surprised to see that was the first person to win at TriCon since other than Corey since Tricon started. I know Priest won at DGR technically. So that was good for them. They had a good day. We went out to the boulevard and made sure that they were all still out there Friday night

to just hang out and make sure people were behaving themselves. You were, you were. Yeah, I was a supervisor. I'm sure that's safe. Hey, it's Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to shop. dot dirtymomedia.com. We've got plenty of options and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop.dotemomedia.com.

Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. We'll roll into a little bit of spot on, spot off. So if you agree, it's spot on and if it's agree, if you disagree, if you disagree, it's spot off. He might come around.

So we're going to have to work on the spot off. butter stuff over here still. By the end of the show, I'm going to have Jimmy getting me a raise. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you guys have matching glasses almost. He buys a three-pack, too. Every now and in, every now and in, you get the three-pack blacks. Hey, we work for everything we got, by me.

Maybe you ever given to us. Man. All right. What a deal. Let's grab them, man. Joe Gibbs Racing will win the championship after Denny Hamlin and Chase Briscoe have punched their tickets to Phoenix with wins in the round of eight. is plus 38 above the cut line also worth mentioning spot on spot off Tommy well you got 75% chance right if they all get there if they'll get there well so what's

only I would be fine with those odds you can one of them Bell could still miss if you get a winner and that's the problem I think if it's if it's if all three make it it's it's spot on yeah but if if if if for Bell to miss that means somebody like legano blaney byron or chase is going to win this race and then you know Larson's going to beat him on points So if you're telling me that Lugano and Blaney are going to make it, that severely hurts their chances. Well, isn't the 5 and the 20? They're really at one point. Yeah, that's one point.

But if they get one winner, a new winner, and then it's the two of them racing for one point. Yeah, that's 20 beats the five. There's still three. Yeah, but yeah, I'm going to say. But if they don't end up with three, it's because somebody won this week that's really good there, which is, you know, obviously Blaney and Lugano have won the last three championships. And the five out runs at 20. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I'm just, I'm saying, if there's only two cars in there, fucking slow down. will you? Oh, my God. But then even, I mean, Byron's good there. Byron's been good there. He's been second or third

the last couple of years. When Chase makes the final four, he's really good at Phoenix. So they have to get three for me to say spot on. But if there's three of them there, Jimmy, I don't know how you beat three out of four. It can happen.

It can obviously happen. I wouldn't, I would never predict the winner. It's going to be exciting. I mean, I don't care. If the only way they could win it, if they had all four of them, that's a lock.

Yeah. But I wouldn't underestimate the 12 car at Martin's Zone. I don't know what he's got, but he can keep them tires on that car. He'll be tough. He's won the last two fall races there, and he's the one that I'd be circled. If he wins this one, that's the guy I don't want to race at Phoenix. But, you know, it's going to be tough.

He had to beat Joey last year for the championship. You know, the kid, I raced against his dad. I loved his dad. The fact that he might have been his crew chief. and my dad raced against his grandfather, Lou Blaney. And all Ryan had to do was bump the five car a little bit. Say, come on, you're holding me up. You know, but that's not in his DNA.

And if, you know, Larson's... Does it need to be? Huh? Does it need to be? Yeah, it does. Yeah, it's based on earlier conversation. Yeah, it does. And the reason why Lugano would have bumped them.

because I think that every driver understands what's going on and I think Larson would have said hey man you know but you're not going to do nothing a quick story Ray Hendrick one of the best modified drivers ever he's a lap down at Thompson and I followed the son of a bitch for 30 some laps in the Armstrong one after the race was overhanded up second

I finally got by him I went over to him I said Ray what the hell man he goes what's that on the front of that car all you do is tell me I didn't know you were and I didn't know where you were

I was racing every car to beat him that's the mentality of Ray Hendrick so Rayne is a spotter exactly exactly no what my point is so the thing about the 12 car is is if you know all he had to do

was just get rid of Larson faster not just move them just just bump them so but anyway it's going to He's excited because don't underestimate the Minkar. The Minkar, remember two, three years ago, he dominated that race. And I'm sure Denny's going to try to put a spoil into it, too. That's the biggest problem.

Denny's... Yeah. It's... The 11 and the 12 right now, I would say, are the two best there. Yeah. At Marinsville. Yeah. And I think the 24 is pretty close behind him.

It's going to be... I mean, again, it's the playoffs are creating some excitement, but... I agree. That... I think... There's a good possibility that going into Phoenix it's not going to be that exciting for team-wise because it could be three.

One team's going to have three of the four drivers, right? But that happened to JRM at Phoenix one year. We had three cars and then Ty Gibbs and we lost. Yeah, you lost, yeah. It can happen. You might have all three again. Yeah. But hey, because of that year, I'm not going to get too excited

because you never know. But the one car. The ones, those 88 and the 7. are in. Eight and a seven are in. And the one is still alive. The one and the eight are both still in. They can swap.

But the owner's points is screwing all that up too, right? Yeah. Speaking of the owner's points. Oh, Austin Hill. Yeah, he chose a unique celebration. He celebrated his Talladega Expedity win by flipping off the fans after the race. We have a picture of it.

Yeah. Jimmy, that looks like you. Never. I never done that in my life. That's a stupid son of abyss. So, oh my God. The backstory that I got. So he and Jimmy's spot off.

Was there's been somebody that's been particularly like trolling him and trying to get under his skin. And I think he was flipping that person off. But he'll never make it. You just flip the crowd off. He'll never make it. I don't give a damn. I don't care. You just don't.

You can't do that, right? That can't happen. My God, I had people throw. Oh my God. You can't do that. The fan's always right. They should be fine for that. Yeah.

And the problem is like, You know, I get it. If somebody's been under your skin. How didn't you know where he was sitting? The guy was probably there heckling his shit out of him on the fence. Because I'm awesome. I think this is probably after he gets back in after celebrating it to start finish line. So the guy's probably standing there.

I think Denny does it the right way. You just got to kick your driver's ass. See, I was the biggest mistake I ever made. I won at Thompson Speedway. And they were booing me. And I said, you people are just mad because I kicked Bugsie Stevens' ass. And I was like, man, I should not have said that. And from that day on, those people in Connecticut hated Mr. Excitement.

Hated me. You shouldn't have done that. Yeah. And I think, you know, he's obviously leaning into this villain role kind of like to any. The wrong way, man. But he's not doing it the right. You know, there was, I think it was. Well, because he's already unlikable to begin with.

I don't, I don't. That's a good point. The thing, I saw, I think it was the Loose's Fast podcast, had a tweet out this morning that I thought that somebody sent me. And it was, you know, he said, you know, I get it. You want to be the villain or whatever, and you think, you know, you said F you to the haters. But it's not like, you're not like Kyle Bush and Danny Hamlin. They don't hate you because you win too much. They hate you because of some of the dumb shit you do on the racetrack and then some of the dumb, the way you react to it after it happens.

Freddie, what he did at, what he did at Indianapolis, that's just fucking plain dirty. Yeah. And NASCAR done the right thing. You got to, you got to say, ooh, that was bad. Yeah. That was bad deal. And listen, I've known this kid a long time. I like him a lot.

I don't like it. This is not even, like it's, it's something that I hope he can get it back on the rails because this is not going to fly in the cup series. You know, like especially he's not going to be winning anywhere near this often in the cup series. I don't think. You know,

he's inevitably going to get in one of those RCR cars, I would assume. And, but it's just shit like this. You can't have happen because, you know, I get it. You're pissed off of this one guy,

but now you're driving by and some, there's a hundred percent chance. Some little kid saw that and looked at his dad goes, why is that guy giving us the middle finger? The other thing I was going to say is there's 100% probably kids right there. It'd be really sad if he got in the RCR Cup car. I mean, it's just, I feel like it's inevitable, no? I mean.

Not necessarily. No. All right. You're done with that one? Yeah, I don't have nothing. Nothing good to say. Nothing nice to say, Tommy. Tommy's going to, Tommy's going with the.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. All right, NHRA was the most viewed motorsports event. weekend topping the Cup Series race at Las Vegas. NHRA had 1.8 million viewers while NASCAR Cup had 1.7. So spot on, spot off. Freddie, what you think? You know, I want to ask Jimmy about this because obviously you spent a lot of years on the TV side of it. How much has it hurt us just not being on network television? You know, these, you watch these races where it's USA, it's TNT, it's prime streaming.

How much does it, first of all, chasing our races trying to find them? different time slots, different channels, seemingly every five weeks now, you know, you get a little bit longer run. But just how that's, I mean, that's what the biggest issue is, no? Well, I think, you know, you got to look at deal for all the economy. And I remember Bill France talking and I remember Rick Hendrick saying, you mean to tell me, you want me to choke this down my throat that on Monday morning, I got to tell all my sponsors that, oh, you didn't see us on, network. We weren't on ABC, NBC, you know, Fox. So I think that that was a start of it. That's been a long time ago. I know it's a tough business, the TV business. They're all fighting. I noticed where the most boring racing in the world just signed a big contract with Apple. Seriously.

I mean, it's amazing. Those cars are amazing. The speed. the drive but god dang how can you watch it yeah i watch it i'm like they're fantastic they're awesome but if you want to watch a bunch of people going down the interstate over here 77 and watch them it's hard i'm not yeah don't get me wrong how hard it is it's just boring why she brought it up about flow why do flow keep increasing increasing increasing they don't know who the winter's going to be they the fans want to see a lot of people passing and things like that. So as far as the network TV, I think it does hurt Freddie.

I think that we should try in a worse way to get as much as we can. I remember when I was doing TV, and we were live on Sunday mornings and Fox Sports, the main guy from New York would tell me, just keep doing what you're doing. You're the easiest sale there is. And I started learning then what he meant was. that the local cable channels that carried Fox, everybody wanted to be on that. We were drawn 1.5, 1.7 million people on a Sunday morning unheard of.

And the reason that was easier to sell. So I think that the problem with all these networks, I mean, we're seeing it now. They're canceling TV shows. They're canceling so much stuff. HG TV, my wife and I watched that, and they're canceling, canceling, canceling. it's a nut that I have no clue

at effects, but I don't think that it helps NASCAR not being on network TV. For sure. And Tommy, I mean, we talked about this. You know, you see a growth in the Xfinity series because they're on the CW every Saturday afternoon, you know, whatever time it is. And they do a great job. They're the ones now I'm noticing that, you know,

they're listening to the fans. There's no Victory Lane interview on the CW. You know, Victory Lane, start finish line, I should say, interview. All the interviews are done in Victory Lane, because that's what, you saw that big outcry of, The fans didn't want the victory lane, the start-finish line interviews without the crew around and stuff like that. Now they're one of the ones that is trending back in that direction. But, I mean, it's just got to be, I mean, we talk about football all you want.

But it's just, you know, the fact that you can find it in the same place has to help. Yeah, Tommy, I don't know. Like, it's obviously easy for us to say you should take less money just to make sure you're on network TV. But like to Jimmy's point, you know, this Apple TV deal, they took more money to go, you know, to go to Apple versus staying on ESPN. There's no way that's going to help them. because Apple's like $80 a year. I can't even remember what it is. But, like, people aren't going to pay.

Like, you know, you watch F1 because it happens to be on every Sunday morning when you're flipping through the channels. Like, I don't, I don't, even as a racer, I don't go searching out F1 races. I watch, I watch when the green flag drops, they go into one. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, that's the most exciting. Okay. First two laps.

Yeah, there's the winner. Okay. First two laps. You know, what's interesting, though, is what's happened. And I watch a lot of, I've, I've, a big car nut. And Meekam left the network, and I haven't watched it since. I think that as a consumer, as a person, I don't think you bring a great point about Apple, 80 bucks.

I mean, these people aren't going to spend the money because there's better things to do. Yeah. You know, it's like when you first retired from racing, and you say, holy hell, that's what they do on Sunday. Or, you know, I mean, when you have a week off. So to me, I think that once that bug bites, and once you lose them eyes, I remember Rick Bainer saying, once you lose those eyes, you don't get them back.

And I don't know that this is a fact, but you look at the numbers. You know, the beginning of the year, it's 14 races on Fox. It's five on Prime, five on TNT, then 14 to finish out on NBC. Fox, even FS1 was still due in about two and a half million viewers. We went to streaming for five races and then trended the wrong way.

TNT was two. million. Now we're probably under two million for this USA portion of it. 1.7, like I just said. Was it? Average is 1.7? I'm sorry. You know, so... No, this is from... Yeah, this is from Vegas. I'm just saying average-wise.

Where was the NHRA at? I don't know, but they were also... They were on network television. They were on Fox. They were on Fox. They weren't live, though. I don't know, but it's No, they're not on live. They weren't live. They can't do it live because I'm big into the drag race and I go to them races. But there's a time limit. But they

do a good job. Yeah. And And the thing that the NHRA has over most every other major league sports, you buy a ticket, you go anywhere you want to go. And the damn drivers, you know what they'll do? They'll stand at the back. I watch caps. I watched all of them. Even smoke. They'll stand at the back.

Give 10 or 15 minutes signing autographs. Damn, but the hell you have to, you have to recognize the fans. That's what the NHR is kicking everybody's ass. Yeah. I walk down the red carpet at Vegas. I don't recall any driver signing anybody's autograph. I remember Terry LeBani. I said, man, Terry, these crowds are crazy.

He says, come with me. We go to the Unicow building at Charlotte. Earnhardt's in there. He has this big, gigantic guy. He says, just follow Earnhardt. So we leave the... Unicom. And this guy's walking very slow.

Excuse us. And Earnhardt, that son bitch, is signing autographs. Wait a minute. Did you hear what I said? Dale Earnhardt is signing autographs. What's wrong with the rest?

They don't want to sign autographs. That's why he was what he was. You know, and Terry, Terry, I said, Terry, what an ID is not? Richard Petty, same thing. Yeah, all you got to do is follow him. But, you know, he still

signed, I mean, to me, that's some of the problem at NASCAR. So the Fox deal with the NHRA that was after hours, right? Football was done. I don't know what time it was. If I'm not mistaken, it was in the evening when the football was

over with. I think it's kind of, would be kind of hard this time of year for Fox or NBC. Anybody to beat football. For anyone, yeah, to beat football. Plus, NASCAR to be on those channels because football is, right? Well, NBC, they don't have, it's a Sunday night game. Right, but FS1.

I don't think ABC has football, though, Tommy. No, just Monday night. Monday night. But FS1, over the years now has developed into a good channel. The Sports Network, yeah. It's taken this long for that. So now I think like T&T, like all those, when they're into basketball and doing all that stuff, TBS, you know, college and all that stuff, you navigate there first right now. And we were doing that back in the day when the cup races were on TNT and on TN and on the TN and all that stuff because that's the only place you could get it.

then we signed the big old deal, then we're on, you know, CBS was always a Daytona 500, but... I wonder what the baseball game drew last night. I watched it on Fox Sports One. Four great baseball, you know, four great analysts, you know, as far as, what is it, Poppy and Rodriguez or whatever. You know, those guys. Was it on FS1? Yeah, I was on FS1. I watched it.

So, I mean, that's going to, I think they're just trying to be patient and take time. I don't know if it's hurting, hurting whatever. I still like Freddy that, Tommy. I think we're so deluded on channels. My old buddy, 80, some years old, he says, what fucking channel isn't on this week? What time isn't on this week? Very true.

One o'clock, you know football's going to start. Four o'clock, you know. And I think NASCAR needs a look at that and say, listen, we're going to start these damn races at this time. Yeah. You know, and I don't know how to fix us. Pretty much we're on three. Can I ask you guys something?

What if the whole season was on streaming? Like, how would you feel about that? Say the whole season was on Prime. I don't think people will watch it. Yeah. You know, I think that if, you know, Prime, something like, some of them are reasonable, and I know Prime gave away some time,

you know, like a month free when we did the month long race is there. So they worked with everybody. And if it's, I think if it's all on Prime, like if everything is all in the same place, but it were streaming. It would be, it would probably be better than bouncing from four different networks or four different platforms. It's just, it's hard to get people. Like, listen, my dad, my dad passed away a couple years ago,

but if I had to tell him after those Fox races, you've got to watch these next five on Prime, he'd look at me like I had 10 heads. Now one of my sisters would probably have to go over there and help him do it every week, and he would still watch. But not a lot of people have that option. A lot of people don't have a smart TV that connects to Prime.

Or, you know, like, that's the problem with doing that stuff is you're going to, and you're talking about getting back, you know, they hired an agency to get back to our hardcore fan base. Well, our hardcore fan base doesn't know shit about Prime is the problem, you know? Like, you know, the older, the older generation, I should say, not so much the hardcore fan base. But, you know, so it's just hard. It is the hardcore fan base. Yeah.

Because there, you just said it for it. Your old man was why you watched racing. You know, why did Tommy get in racing? His old man, I mean, it's just the way it is. Like, my grandkids are playing. I watch these parents. I watch my grandsons. One's playing football.

The other one's playing baseball. And I'm like, these parents are sick. with their kids. Yeah. I'm standing there, a six-year-old, the lady said, push him out on, I'm out. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, lady, the kid's six years old.

Holy cow! And my wife says, what the hell? I said, Pat, can you believe that? And there she's telling her six-year-old kid to push him out. I'm like, oh, my God. And then what's funny about when kids fight, the parents fight, are like, hey, we got to go.

The parents are like, you son of a bitch, right? It's interesting as hell. I mean, just life. Yeah, the kids are over in five minutes. The parents are never going to be in over. Yeah, yeah. All right. Oh, my God.

Silly season has picked up this week. Justin Haley is not returning to Spire next year. Butterbean was announced as a RAM colleague truck driver, and the colleague RCR Alliance is finished in 2026. Tommy, are you making this change? You know, Haley's out. Suarez is in and listen. Is that what's happening?

Swares is. Yeah. I mean, I think Jordan alluded to it last night. Suarez is going in that car. Is that a change? I mean, you worked with Justin for a long time. I think Justin's a pretty good little race car driver. You know, is this, do you think this is just money related again to Jimmy's point?

100%. Yeah. Again, it's fucking quiet Tommy over here. Come on, Tommy. This is also audio, Tom. People can't just say, sorry. Yeah. He's shaking.

I'm not giving play by play. He's shaking his head. Yeah, I mean, it's all about dollars and cents. I mean, look, I said it weeks ago, you know, the company that owns that team is on those cars a lot. You know, and there's going to be a time that someone is going to say that's enough, and it's either the wife or the accountant, right, or the lawyer, right? So you get to a point, you can see they're trimming down with the trucks, right? They're at the point now that they've built a pretty nice little deal there.

and now it's like okay we're spending a lot of money right all right we need money right because there's somebody going hello um i'm looking at these books um i don't really like this right so um i think we need some offset of yeah offset of dollars a little bit so have you heard with them getting rid of the trucks that they're buying a bunch of sprint cars have you heard that at all i i heard that they are going to step into the sprint car world. They're in it a little bit already. Yeah, I think they're going to be a little more involved in the future. Where do you think Justin? What's going on with Justin? I don't know. You know, Justin could end up

back in one of these ram trucks that we're talking about. I'm saying it's a possibility. No. No. Okay. It's already done. All those drivers are. Okay. Who's going to have the ram trucks next year? Yeah, Tom. Yeah, since you know the what's going on? He won't be in the ram truck. So I think And the reason why this deal kind of took for a little bit longer to come about was Spire was after a couple other guys. I think that they would have liked to got Kyle away from RCR. RCR's not going to let him go, obviously. There was another fish out there that they were chasing that they were hoping might leave his team.

Who? He didn't leave. He's not going to leave. So he's staying put. But who's, is Spire got Hokkakabar? Seventy. I like him. I like hosts.

I figured you'd be a host of our guy. He would have won his first race at Atlanta if NASCAR would have. I mean, I still can't believe NASCAR through that caution. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's not your turn to win yet. It's not your turn. Caution, caution, caution. Butterbean, yeah, we talk about butterbean into a ram truck,

one of the four that Tommy knows and won't tell us. The one that's interesting to me here that's kind of getting lost in the shuffle a little bit, and I feel bad for him because I feel like he's improved a lot. The second half of the year is Echis. You know, Echis has done a really good. job I feel like getting more consistent in that car. I don't know if they've announced it and I think that exfini deal is just going away. So he's going to be left without a ride.

I'm assuming that he's going to end up back at McAnally's. You could say if whatever you want. Is he one of the four trucks? Allegedly. I mean, it's very easy. I think he's ended up in a truck. I think he's going to end up in one of the colleague trucks or maybe back at McAnallies being interested in the scene. You said calling is separating from children?

next year? Yeah. So I'm with it because they're Dodge deal. So they're, I guess they're just going to go independent on the cup side? So whose motors are going to get? I don't know. I have no way. Yeah, I mean, I guess they could still lease motors and just not have an alliance, like, information-wise.

Is their cup team staying Chevy? Yeah, they don't have a choice in that. Yeah, I mean, I believe what will happen is that the Collier Group will start building their infrastructure with all their simulation now for the Cup. and, you know, as they're building the truck. So, I mean, they have a, you know, pretty strong company that they've hired to start all their simulation stuff. So they'll start probably working all those tools because the company that's involved has been involved in Cup before. So they'll start working on all that infrastructure to be ready, probably more, probably be better prepared when Dodge goes into the cup level.

So they'll probably rely, which I feel it's the best thing to do, rely on their own tools. instead of somebody else's because when you're in alliance, you don't, I don't think necessarily you think you see all the tools, right? You see some of the tools, but you don't see all of them. So they might not run as well next year, but they're going to be building for the future. Jimmy, when you look at a guy like Justin Haley, we talked about good race car driver, Christian Eckus,

another good race car driver, looking like they're going to have to step back a series or step down the ladder a little bit. How hard is that to make that decision? Because we talked about it. It's about two things in our sport, money and winning. And, you know, if you don't have the money, you better be winning. So, instead of taking a mid-level ride at the same level,

is it better to step back into something that's a good ride in Xfinity or a good riding trucks where you can go compete for wins on a weekly basis? That's a tough decision, you know. I mean, I remember when I was driving for Travis, and he was out of money. And I went back to drive in the Bush series from Roso, won a bunch of races and getting a call that, you know, drove the last four races in 92 with Bobby Allison.

So I never think it's bad to take a step back. It pays to keep driving, showing him how telling you are. Not like... Don't do that. He's telling it, but don't do that. So, you know, you've got to tuck your tail sometimes and back up and go. Algar is a good example. Never made it in Cup, but had a hell of a career

in nationwide or what he called Xfinity series. So to me, I remember Randy LaJoy winning championships and stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, okay? Because let me tell you something. In any one of them big three series, it's fucking hard to win. End of story. And if anybody thinks

it isn't, it's tough. All right, it's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. Did we get a good amount this week, Alex? We got some good ones speak. Anybody call your message to Jimmy? Oh, yeah, one person did, actually.

So this is just, we don't know what this is getting ready to happen here, Jimmy. This is just voicemails people leave us. That's fine. I can handle it. I can handle it. Dang it, Norm, you take your pill this morning? Your truck's on fire. Pull it over.

Get out of that thing. Poor Norm Benning. And of all the guy, the guy finally got a decent speedway truck, I think he said, and burns it to the ground last week. What we saw a Friday, Thursday, whatever? day was. And then he said, I didn't see a video of it, I guess he was just, obviously, Norm is not the most agile driver. We've got out there. He's got to be in six, late 60s. He's trying to get out of this poor thing on fire, and I'm sure it didn't go well. But God bless

Norm. Who doesn't love Norm? Who doesn't love Norm? That was, you talk about this. Do you remember when he was, when we were at El Dorro? Yeah. El Doris. That's what I was getting ready to say. That's a bad middle finger. Norm's was a good middle finger. I mean, I was like, everyone was pulling for. them, you know? I'm like, cool, man. You can't beat with an underdog. You know, it's just like, yeah, man, that's what it's about. Hey, yeah, this one is for Tommy NASCAR over there in the corner. The race is getting a little bit exciting, and you just, did NASCAR call you and tell you

to have your car blow up spin out so that we could make it even more exciting? Who blew up? So they, they cut a tire or something? No, it was, what, four or five of us? I'm not... Did you think it's... The air cleaner sucked in and all the dirt went in the engine

and blew the engine. Same thing happened to the 35. Yeah, 35. I think the 48. The 22 was struggling with that too, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I know there's a much people talking about just a bunch of debris and shit

up in their air cleaner, basically. I think the weepers, the water was going in in the duck and soaked the air cleaner and made the air cleaner heavy and then it pushed it through. And then all the speedy dry, all the dirt went right into the intake and blew up. Yeah.

And it looked to me like he got down. in some water. Like when he spun, you know, like he wouldn't spin on purpose. I think he just got down there's weepers all through the apron

and stuff like that that he spun in. I just want to say to the expedity drivers, you can't short fight with each other to pass Austin Hill. You got to go nut the butt,

nut the butt and drive around the guy not just short fight each other behind him for second. Remember next time, nut the butt. What the hell is he talking? Sometimes we don't really...

And I think, well, to his point a little bit, Let's kind of clean it up, clean it up a little bit. I think they were more aggressive towards Austin at Daytona, weren't they? Yeah.

To shuck them out of the way, right? Yeah. So I didn't, obviously, we were a little busy Saturday winning championships. So what happened was we had the typical Saturday. We got the typical maybe 20, 30 to go single file to the top. Austin's leading.

Well, then you can't, there was two guys, Echis and the 48 were just, they kept going down. there. They weren't making any progress. They'd pick up a row, go back a row and get back in line. So you can't like gang up on the guy because nobody's wanting to make that move. Especially like in the top five, there was cars like the 70 and, you know, other guys that aren't accustomed to being up there really. So they're not going to be super aggressive. They're like, I'm good right here until the last couple laps and we'll see what the fuck happens. So, you know, nobody really pushed the issue. But then we had a yellow again. I think we had an end up with a green white checker.

And, you know, Austin just does a really good job. And this is what, you know, Austin's like, oh, these haters don't want to work with me. I'm like, no, they don't hate you. Your car's fucking too fast. They're trying to get rid of you because you're going to beat them if they race your heads up. You know, it's interesting, though, and I think I'll go back to the driver. Some of them just, there's, I don't want to say stupid, but. You said it. They are.

I remember we were at Talladega, and there was no damn way I could ever win the race. 50, 60 laps in. I'm like, there's no fucking way this car's fast up to win the race. but what Bobby Labani car when I get behind him we haul ass so I says Bobby you know I'm gonna stick with you he's okay and he stuck with me

and he had a couple trances to drop me he never did I said you son of a bitch if I told a spotty you dropped me I'll wreck his ass but anyway he didn't and he went on the one to race and I got second yeah and you know Travis had a great job

because our car just wasn't good enough but to me I think that a lot of guys, the reason why the 21 is so good, he's not afraid. No. And I think a lot of guys, if they would say, you know what, I don't think, if everything comes out right, I could win this race. But if he would stay and trust one another, you could beat these guys. I mean, that's.

There's two schools of thought with the 21, I think. And it's what you alluded to. There's fast guys that are trying to prevent him from getting a lead. You know, there's guys like the Gibbs cars, and there's guys like the 48 and whoever else, his teammate in the two sometimes is trying to prevent him. Because if you let him get the lead, he's very hard to beat. He's very good at what he does. He can protect all the lanes.

Him and Derek Neeland do a great job of that. But there's also guys like the 70, like whoever else there go, if I just follow this fucking guy, I know he's going to get me to the front. You know, so if it's a back marker team that doesn't run really well all the time, they're going to use him to get his track position and hope all hell breaks loose at the

end. And on top of that, if the 70 drops down. Yeah, oh yeah, nobody's going to go with him. That's not. Because he knows he's not fast. Right. Yeah. Right. So there's nothing wrong with that.

No, it's just, but at the end, you know, and same thing at the end, the 48 had a big run in the backstretch. Austin kind of moved up on him a little bit, got the 48 out of shape. But, you know, Austin's, that's how he's going to win the race. And like Jimmy said, he's not there. I promise you, look at that guy right there. He is not there to make any friends. He does not give a fuck what you think about him, clearly.

You know, he's going to do whatever it takes to win. And some people like that. You know, there's nothing wrong with that, but that's what's wrong. That can't happen. You can't do that. And it's in the moment. Just like Huscavara. I love the guy.

I love it. That's his new name, Huskabarra. What do we got? Armadillo. Armadillo. I love Huskabana. I'm going to tell you what. He's exciting to watch.

You know, he is. He made a couple mistakes early on. But he's going to be a guy to reckon with. Let me tell you, that's some bitch going to be a guy to reckon with. Yeah. Because one thing about him, Darrell Walshup always said, the guy knows what's going on around him, and he's learning. Yeah.

That's the catch. Well, hold on. I was going to say what Tommy is learning. Go ahead. Here we go. He doesn't know what's all going on him, but he's learning. Because he's still running into shit at the wrong places. Is there a right place to run?

Yeah. When lately? Yesterday, he turned to 24 coming to the checker. Yeah, turned to 24. It didn't help the 24's playoff chances at all. wrecked a bunch of shit and the roval. Yeah. Did very well in between.

Didn't he wrecked Kyle Busch? Yeah. Somebody did. Yeah. Yeah. And we talked about this last week. Tommy's very critical of him. Well, he needs to be. I like him. And I think he needs to learn from it.

That's all he will. Hey, that's his first year. Trying to get him in here before the end of the year. We'll see. Second year and cup, I think, right? Second year and cup. We'll try to get him in here before the end of the year. See what happens.

I mean, I feel like we have to hash it out at some point. We just got all. Bring it on, man. I'm sick that day. All right. Hey, I just want to say that. Carson is a real babe. Now, if he just stopped smashing that 77 car

in the back of everybody else. Who? It'd be real something. You know what I mean? I was like, me? That might be the best calling call. Oh, yeah. Not me.

Not me. I was like, wow. Carson, sorry. Carson was like, oh, nice. And then he stopped smashing that 77. That was perfect. That was perfect. Perfect. That's maybe my new favorite call.

Yeah. All right. Last one. Last one. Classman Truck Series needs a commissioner. Kind of a guy who is not afraid to call the dumbasses out. I got the perfect guy in mind. Mr. Excitement himself, Jimmy Spencer. What do you all think? I love it. A commissioner.

You think he could be the commissioner? Imagine if we had you on a committee. What committee would you be? The driver's committee? the rules committee I'd work for NASCAR. I'd rule for NASCAR because I love NASCAR.

I made my living doing it. I think that over the years we've made some I think they've made some poor decisions in departments. I remember one time I was doing TV and I'm watching this

22 car. I think it was 22. Sam Hornish. Come down the track of Dober and a son of a bitch was Katie. want us like that. And I said, what the fuck is going on there, Darby? They explained it to me.

And I said, well, I'd stop that right now. Okay? And I went in, I had one time out of meeting. I'll tell you, when I knew the sport was going downhill, I was driving the seven car with a guy from New York that was my crew chief. And we were at Atlanta, and I said, Tommy, the fucking thing is too tight. Do you remember? And, you know, I said, everything he kept doing was tight, tight, tight, tight, tight.

So he finally told me what Springs was in it. And I went out the next day. We qualified third or fourth. And I went out the next day and I was like a second or a lap slower. You remember? No, no. We were Atlanta. And he said, man, taught me of course, handling's fantastic.

Because we had like a thousand pound in the right front or 900. and, you know, ungodly shit. And I'm like, how the fuck can we go in Atlanta, 200 mile an hour with that spring in the front, you know? So to me, the drivers don't need to know. Yeah, once he found out, he dropped a second. So, but to me, I think... No, it was third or fourth fastest the day before.

Never touched it. Never touched it. Boy, Tommy, this car's handling fantastic. But, you know, I think that what NASCAR did and I don't know how they fix it. But I think that they let the shocks get out of control years ago. They let too much stuff get out of control. And in turn, in my opinion, if they would have said,

this is the only shocks you can run, okay? I think that had been a step in the right direction, rather than let these shock guys keep going and going and going, 50 grand, 100 grand for a shot guy Then all at once experiment With all the millions of millions of dollars Wasted and made the sport worse Yeah

It made the sport worse Now I don't know how you fix them I have no clue what these cars are Don't watch them But to me I think that there's still ways to I don't like all this shit about simulating I don't like all this shit about poor I would and I think the fans don't like it either

I think the fans do not like I think that's why the fans don't watch it And I think that you need to figure out how to say we need more passing. We don't have enough passing at these racetracks. And in order to do that, you've got to figure out something to, you know, Bristol was a decent race because they wore the tires out. Okay.

So all in all, you know, I would not leave the engineers in the room. Fuck the engineers. All of them. You know, the one engineer said, we, you don't know. Be careful. I'm just getting a veto his spotter. But you don't know what you're talking about. And I was in a meeting one time with some guys from NASCAR,

and I says, nobody's smarter than me. And they said, well, you don't go to the engineer school or nothing. I pulled a fucking Stanley tape measure out because they said, nobody's smarter than that. Yeah. It's the truth. So you go plus or minus one inch plus or minus a quarter inch. That's all they had to do because Rusty Wallace said,

Spencer, you have no clue what you're talking about. And the engineer said, he's right. It wouldn't work. So my point was measured the center line of the ball, joint to the set to the set and that's where the spring has to be you couldn't collapse it it's too far gone now but i still think there's ways of figuring out how make the cars so ill handling that it becomes more of an issue of drivers yeah because that to me is something they need to look at because that's the only way we're going to get a support back where it is we always talk about it

here like off throttle time equals good racing the more the more you're off the throttle the more you can manipulate the guys around you. That's what's going to get you back to good racing. Whether it's the tires wearing out or the car's not driving as well, we need to figure out a way to slow our corner speeds down because we're all running the same speed, you know, and now, I mean, I'm sure you love this, the fact that we get to see what everybody's doing data-wise. That's stupid.

Yeah. You know, I remember running the modifies. We were at Oswego. We were beating the supers through the corners by like, freaking crazy. And I says, Maynard, what the hell? Maynard says, you've got to understand. The faster you go down the straightway, the slower you got to go through. that corner.

Now that's an old, he's dead and gone, but to me, I just, I think, I think we've over-engineering our sports so far, so far,

that we've lost our fans. Tommy, can we unlearn the shit we've learned, though? Absolutely not. It's too late. I don't think it's too late. We can only keep growing

with our culture, right? It's, it's, unfortunately, our culture is going, computers, social media,

It's just... I still think you could change the suspension on the cars to make them... Tommy, they don't... You can't pass at one another. I know, but it's not the suspension. It's the arrow. Yes, it's just...

We've got to do something to make them dirty. You got to do something because New Hampshire was a boring-ass race. Yeah, they got... You know, I mean, these races are... Wow, I remember when Tony Stewart and Carl Edwards, what a race they put on. It wasn't that long ago.

You know, and, and, Heather, sellout. There was no goddamn sellout yesterday. Not even close, excuse the language, curse God. I would. I mean, there were, I mean, Dala Daga? Not having every ass in the seat? Which division do you think is the best right now, Jimmy, out of the three? Dirt racing.

No, I think the nationwide series is pretty good. I think that it's still, I mean, I think. I think you got, you know, Junior's running real good, and you got Gibbs running real good. But still once in a while you see some other guy who's poked their nose in there. But they probably put on pretty good racing. The cup racing is, ooh. I guess what I'm looking at in the Bush, you call Bush, explain that. I think you see a lot more passing.

So we were right before we went to these cars. Yeah. That's where our sport. That's where we were. That's what I'm saying. We cap the design work. We capped the part stuff. We capped it.

And we were there at the end of that version car. We were, our racing was really good. Do you remember Tommy back? I don't remember the years, but I remember like Danny Hamill had passed a bunch of guys at New Hampshire. I remember all they had to do was slow the cars down. And I'll say this and I'll die saying this. You're going down the interstate and the exit ramp is to the right or the left and it's 35 months. mile an hour. You exit that ramp 35 mile an hour. Fantastic. Now I want you exit at a 45.

Ah, pretty easy. Fifty-five. Boy, I tell you what, I just, I might have missed this just as imagine. Do it at 60 or 65. Don't try this home fans, please. And then you're like, I made it. Well, wait a minute. Put some, some bitch on the inside and outside of you. That's the driver's face all the time. So when the driver's face that all the time, please kids, don't try this going to three wide into an exit, please. Then when you do that, all the once the drivers go, wait a minute, nothing to be gained, nothing to be gained. So to me, speed is what causes that. So if you slowed them down now, and that's all NASCAR had to do back three, four years ago before this car, five years, whatever it was.

That's all they had to do is take that car and say, okay, we got it. And the thing is, is what pisses the fans off, every one of them cars look to say. That's what obsessed the fans more than anything. are. They are the same. That's not good. All right. We'll move along to AskDBC. We're fans send in their questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. This question is for you, Mr. Spencer.

Did you like the nickname Mr. Excitement? And did you feel like it fit your personality? Well, I liked it at first. But I think when I moved south, Mike Joy gave it to me at Stafford Springs, Connecticut. and when I moved south with the name, I think it was, I think guys like Mark Geiro and them really killed me media-wise. I remember I was driving for Frank Cici

and we had won a race in the Bush series and Frank Cici's wife, I forget her name, she says, Frank, what? Jimmy wrecked everybody on the track. And Frank said, what the heck are you talking about? Well, that Mark Gairo was doing radio, and he pushed this guy out. And Frank said there was one bump on the whole car, one tire mark on the right door. So then all at once, Frank started listening to it.

Then we took it to Jim Hunter and got to calm down. So that hurt a lot. And the other thing I did, I always believed what my dad said. I should have hired PR people. I should have hired Mike for me, not for somebody else. these guys all have and that's the biggest problem with the drivers today i remember when i was doing tv um you have to make an appointment for the drivers to talk to you bullshit what the hell you talk to i remember i was doing the first of your tv and i walk it down pit road and teddy says you got anybody

live and i said yeah and i walked over to somebody and the PR girl goes you can't do this we ain't got an appointment he's get the hell out of you we're going live in 30 seconds but i think mr excitement hurt me at to a certain point afterward, but it was just always given total effort. I was one that pushed the pedal. I didn't give a shit by slowing down. Right. Where did you get the idea for the crying towel?

That's a good one. I think that came from Steve Burns. Because one day I was sitting in there, and we were talking about high school, and I used to go, like that. And Burns goes, God, rest is slow. I love old Steve.

He goes, Spence, that's a good idea. I said, what? He says, you know, when somebody does something, and I said, it's crying towel, and I would do that. All the people still, they remember me. The drivers didn't like it. You know, I remember doing the TV. It started then.

They said, we're not coming in to do the interview. Not, you know. Well, all you have to do is if you're in TV is say, well, Tommy Baldwin declined to come in and talk about that. That's all you have to do. The sponsors are going to say, Earnhardt. Kelly, Kelly, what the hell's going on?

Jason Leffler, no. Algar. Jason Algar said he's not going to do an interview. What the hell are you talking about? That stops it. That stops it in track. Yeah, for sure. All right, what shit shows did you guys see this week? Shit shows of the week.

So there's anything that we stood out for us. I'll tell you, Carson, you want to go first? Yeah, I have one. It was the almost three hour long smart modified race, so I don't ever want to hear a fucking word. out of you again. Smart Modified. Where's that? Wilkesboro this week, the one at Luke won. No disrespect

to the smart tour in general. Love Chris Williams. Love those people. First of all, has nothing to do with the smart tour. It's an issue that the modifiers are having at North Wilkesboro. We had the same shit show with the tour race in the beginning year. It's the engines. We run too many RPMs there

for too long, and these engines can't take that, and they blow up going into one. It happens about nine engines this year. had a full track clean up at least five times. Aren't they limited motors? Expect, but they cannot run. They're not built for that.

They're not built for running that. They just, they blow up. That's fine. But regardless, I don't ever want to hear another word out of you about a cars tour race.

It is a shit show nominee. Ending past midnight. None of that shit. We ended up at the dirt version of Wilkesboro. Yeah. Like, it was, there was fucking speedy dry across every lane of this place.

Why is there no bottom group at Wilkesboro? It was a little bit. It's tough. Yeah. It's tough It was covered I wanted to do They changed the banking

Is it? No, it's just a new pavement Yeah They change No, it's just a new pavement But yeah I was so that was That's my nominee

This one here I didn't What the hell was going on here? I know they were bitching a tie About hitting that tire But why is the tire just laying there They're making an adjustment I know but like

Yeah Get the fucking tire out of the guys That wasn't that's fault No like it's the tire Is that guy's fault Whoever is holding that tire Oh, that's the Wood Brothers, too. Yeah, that was his fault.

Yeah, I needed to do. See, that's one of them guys that walk around like, this sport can't do nothing without me. It's the true. I saw, I heard, I saw this. Did you not notice that when you walked in a garage area? I mean, they're great. Hello. There are awesome athletes and everything else, but hang on a second, boys.

The sport does not have all around you, you know? I saw this. Somebody had talked about this. Like I see, oh, so Bozzi, I love Bozzy. And this is what I saw. Just an atrocious.

I love everybody. I'm a nice guy. See, you've got an answer to him next week. No, I don't. I'm not that close with Bozzy, but he's usually, I usually agree with him. And just an atrocious move by Ty Dillon here.

Like, what's he supposed to do? Back up because the guy left the tire lane in front of him. No, he was supposed to stop and say, hey, would you please move that tire? The right thing would have been, would have done is the carrier should have put it in between the changer and the jackman. Yeah.

Right? She got it out of the way. I mean, it should, again, it should have, you know, nothing. The carrier is looking at him. He knows he's going to be pulling out. He knows he's going to leave. He's pointing like he should go around now. It's definitely dangerous.

First of all, the turning radius, with the gearing, especially at Talladega, you can't turn the car when you step on the gas. I'm glad because, again, I love Ty Dillon. I didn't want to have to pick on the guy two weeks in a row. I'm glad. I don't have a cat in the fight. But my point is is that if a guy does something wrong, he's wrong. But if a guy does something right, he's right.

Ty didn't do nothing wrong there. That's the problem. Don't beat up Ty because it was a week before. It's like you want to pile on. Ty was 100% wrong in Vegas. There he was 100% right. Yeah. That's a good one, I guess.

We could put that on there. Austin flipping off the crowd probably has to be on there. Bad. We could nominate Austin Hill flipping off the race fans. We put that on there. Oh, you guys already talked about that? Don't worry. Just pay attention when you were.

Sorry. One second. So I'm sitting in the driver's meeting. I always used to sit by old man, Earnhardt. We're sitting in the front row. And this is the first year for Kurt Busch. Oh, another one of your buddies.

Tobodine's in that. Me and Ernst are bullshit about a lot of stuff. You know, like he got me one time with a bull. It was bullshit. How's Pop doing it? My dad. You remember my dad. Oh, yeah.

Everybody loved my dad. And all I was here comes, Kurt pulling in and he stops and Earnhardt goes, he walked on. And I'm like, oh, I wouldn't have done that. So, you know, with Harry Gant or any one of those

guys, you come up where you listen. Anyway, Kirk was back there and Ernart turns around and Jimmy Finning's standing there and he goes, you get your fucking ass up there. I'm like, whoa. So he's sitting there and he goes, Neil down on there So Kurt kneels down

And he goes Kurt I think you're a talented dry But you got a lot to learn And one thing for sure You ever stick your middle finger up With me again I'll break it off And stick it up your fucking ass

Hell yeah I was like Whoa So we saw what happened there Yeah you took over I think you took care Yeah you took over He gave you two of them

At Indy Yeah I gave him a little A little budge Gave him all the fingers If I knew what was going to cost me, think back. It cost me the truck shot at the truck race, the Bush race. Because earlier in the spring with your bush car, we were going to win the race, and the damn tie rod fell off.

Remember the tie rod broke. Bristol, and then Teddy Muskev drove the car. And Teddy's nowhere near as good as I was at Bristol. That's life. You make mistakes. So what do we got? We got. Ty Dillon.

Ty Dillon. Modified race. What was the other one? Austin Hill. Austin Hill. No, wait about, I can't say what that happened. You can say whatever you want. I went to the Apple Festival on Saturday.

Oh, here we go. Alan, we got one more. At Lincoln. At Lincoln, and I was very upset because they didn't have. Took the grandsons, had a great time, but didn't have a lot of big goods. That's a shit show. No apple pie at the Apple Pets. No, one or two apple pies, but I would have thought, you know, I'd seen a lot more.

Yeah. Not enough big goods at the Apple Festival. That's a tragedy. It really is. So Saturday night, I went back to the hotel after the X-Fendi race, and I'm like, I'm just going to watch the Notre Dame game, order a pizza. Oh, they're tough. So I watch, I ordered this damn buffalo chicken pizza from bellow mushroom or whatever is across the street.

Oh, yum. Yeah. So it's like, do you want a blue cheese or a ranch swirl on? And I've had this pizza a thousand times. It's just a little bit. Let me tell you something. Look at this fucking pizza that they gave me. You can't get pizza to go.

Oh, boy. Did you think they put any blue cheese on there? Oh, my God. Like the fucking cat fell off the bottle. I'm like, okay, I'm not eating this. That's like great. That's a little much. So, yeah, my pizza was a shit show this week.

Because, well, I could send you the picture, dog. I like the bake goods better than the pizza person. The old man. Jimmy, we got to go with Jimmy's. Tommy's old man. We were going, and he goes, make sure you beat the bridge by this such and such a time. And, you know, the George Washington is.

So we stop at the shop. And you're hungry? Hell yeah. He takes me to this. And I says, hoagie'd be good. He's a fucking hoagie. He's a fucking hoagie. It's called a grinder.

Hero. Hero. Hero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He took us at his place. And, you know, every... Yeah, you... Do you, you know his dad?

Oh, yeah. His fucking old man was awesome. I love Tommy. I love Tommy. He was the fucking mayor of that town, too, so he'd go wherever he wanted. We'd go in there and he said, my boys need that, you know, there. And I had an Italian. The son of a bitch was to die for the hard roll.

Oh, man, Tommy. All right. Still thinking about it. Oh, yeah. All right. You know, you'll always remember certain things in life. I have a plaque that says you don't remember the time or the place, but you have the memory of it.

Boy, it's so true. So true. Well, you can, please don't forget, go vote on our whole, the shit show, Hall of Fame. Twitter poll is on the Dirty Moe Media accounts. Everybody always says they can't find it, but that's where you can find it. We tweeted every week, so I just scroll past a couple clips of Dale and Denny, but you'll get there.

All right, DBC picks. I won last week. Thanks, Stephanie. Stephanie picked Brad Kay for me. We finished 10th. To Stephanie's credit, I told you earlier, she wanted to pick Briscoe. She said, I'm going to pick Briscoe this week. We realized you had already picked him somewhere.

So she was going to pick the winner. And maybe there's something to this, Fortune Teller. That's fantastic. If I do remember correctly when I picked Briscoe earlier in the playoffs, I did win that round as well. That's good. Briscoe's just a good pick overall. That's a good pick. All right.

What's happening, Martinville? So Jimmy goes first. Jimmy, you've got to pick who you think is going to win this week. So you would have guessed. Yeah. The ones that are great, this is your list over here. This one? The ones that are great out, you can't pick.

But you can pick anybody else. I think I'm going to take the car that crosses the checker flag first. Yeah, yeah. That's a great pick. You know what? The 12 car has to get in. I think I think I'll take the 12. That's a great pick.

You know what I'm picking. I told you last week. Ligano. No, he's picking his boy. Bubba Wallace. At Barnesford, what are you sick? No, I said the same thing last week, and he gave me his stats. I'm like, okay.

Yeah, we got a couple truck wins. That's good there? Trucks ain't cup, man. Yeah, we finished third in the spring. Did you really? Finish 50s or something? Do you remember what happened last race, last year's race this time? What Bubba?

He didn't do so good. Freddy got thrown out. We had a flat. Freddy got thrown out, Phoenix. All right, Tommy, go. I am going to. go with... Dying car.

Yeah. Chase Elliott. Yeah, it'll be tough. I'm going to go with Willie B. Willie B's another great. Louis B. This is going to be a tough point.

We're going to be heading into Phoenix. Pretty. Yeah, we're all three tied. So, yeah. Really? Although the guests have been dominating. The guests have locked it up now. We can't be there.

They locked it up. So the guests win. So now, but whoever finishes last, that's to buy dinner for everybody else. I think one of the guests should have to come back and buy dinner. Why they won? They don't. If you need me to, I can't.

No, you're a... What I do need from you, though, before we leave... One of more big goods, though. Before we get off there, Jimmy, and I can't let you go, our boss, Mike Davis upstairs is obviously a small part of your career. Like, I need some good Mike Davis dirt before you get out of here. You're serious about... He's your boss?

On this side of things, yeah, DirtyMov Media. How much do you to say that? Not enough. Oh, Mike is awesome. So we had a real fast car, yellow freight. And we were starting like 20th at Talladegh. The thing didn't qualify worth of shit. So I said to Reno, I said, Reno, I says, Reno, I says,

this is the dumbest thing we can do is start fucking 20th. We need to just wait until they break up. He says, so how are you going to do it? I said, we can't miss the driver's meeting. because they says that I'll just be late for the driver intro so I'm sitting in the bus

Mike's holy fuck man we're late I mean calm down we're gonna miss driver intro he says plenty of time so oh God and Pat said Mike calm down

and he never forgot and I loved because you didn't tell him why he says what the hell why didn't you tell me Well, then the what's his name was going to fire him? He could tell you his name. And I said to Jimmy Finch, I said, if they fire Mike Davis, I fucking quit, just so you know. You remember that time we had him spot for us in practice, and he. Tell him.

Didn't go good? I'm like, we were like, Mike. Mike. The spot is not here. You got to go up this way. You know, you know, Mike. You know, Mike. You know, Mike, he's like,

Oh, my God. I got to do what? I'm like, you got to go up there in Spot. I think it was Vegas. And he was nervous. Yeah. I said, you got to go up. You got to go up.

You got to go up in Spot. He's like, what do I do? What do you want me to do? Oh, my God. We love Mike. I flew into Mike's wedding down in the, he couldn't believe I flew down. My wife and I flew down to his wedding.

I like Mike Davis. He's a good guy. We all do, too. He gives us. He pays us, so that's why we like him. Well, he don't pay me. The bastard should, but he don't. Tommy, weekend winners.

Did your son buy any chance win anything this week? Yeah. A couple of championships. A boring ass modified race? Yeah. It wasn't boring. It was just fucking long. Who was second?

I don't even know. Did Newman get him? I mean, Newman was passing him, but Ward was second. Yeah, Brandon Ward was second. Why did you and Newman have it out somewhere? Not Al-B-I had an argument. It was a long story. I had my reason.

It was some short... It was at Franklin. It was modified racing. Up in Virginia. Yeah. Yeah. Just being aggressive, was he? No, I just...

Long story short, as Luke was getting started racing, you know, him and Ryan were racing against each other a lot, right? And so if there was a little issue or something was going on, Luke would wait till the end of the race, till everyone left and go over to Ryan and said, hey, did you see anything I could do better?

There's a smart way to do anything. anything anything so it happened he did it a couple times just trying to learn because the year before luke was ryan spotter and which is the car that luke drives now but luke was the spotter so what happened at uh franklin county they luke was leading ryan was second and they just took a sticker tire and there's no stagger right and you need stagger a place like franklin county so the whole field went high and ryan got up into the dirt a little bit got into the wall a little bit but you know just was hard racing it wasn't like intentional and and and And right after the race, Ryan went right, got right out of the car and went to Luke at the podium, right, at the start, finish line, instead of waiting like Luke did.

Luke did, right? I think it should have been like a learning moment maybe for a veteran of, like, Ryan Newman, to go to Luke. Say, hey, man, I know see what happened. Here's what you need to do differently. But instead, Ryan went over to, and went into the window when Luke was not even without anybody or nobody was around. And I just didn't like it. Tommy's going to let you know when you don't like you, kind of like you. I have a bonus pick with Luke over that modified victory lane

because I go up there afterwards to get my stuff back in place far late mall stock racing. There's just a big ass shattered bottle of champagne in the middle of because he tried to pull a Connor Zillage and hit the bottom of the bottle on the ground and it just shattered everywhere. But they just left it. He's stumped. Just left it.

Weekend winners though. Briscoe, Austin Hill, Gio, the big three. Keel and Harvick wins the pro-late model race. Luke wins the owner's championship. Him and Luke was a great race. It was a great race. Flow. There you go. That's right. Say it again. Flowo Sports.com slash door bumper clear. You can get 15% off.

Flow is very good. What was the kids named that won the pro? Ben Mayer. Yep, they won the driver's championship. The driver's championship. Luke and Rick Ware Racing with Cody. They got the most points. Carson, right? Who else drove that in the year? And the cars. Luke won the car. Pro late model.

Lannon Lewis, late model stock driver champion. That's another great race. Caden Cople. Caden Cople won his first. That was his first. That was his first car is late model stock. Laymawstock. Who's Caden Cople?

Travis's son. Travis is son. Holy cow. Talk about Luke won the smart race and the championship. Beers, what the hell do he do? Pierce, right? Oh, Bobby Pierce. Bobby Pierce.

El Dora. Yeah, he won El Dora. Rico. Rico wins the championship. That guy's won 30-some races in the dirt. That's impressive. Yeah. And Rico, Rico is this, this is a career.

year for Rico. I mean, Rico's been dominant. He's going to drive for smoked next year. Yeah. Yeah. They're team that I don't know. That I don't know. Evan. Evan, who won the high limit race? I think he did. He did. Right. I'll tell you one guy I got to give a shout out to. Do you see what's his name? Retired.

Yeah, sweet, Brad's sweet. I mean, that's just, I mean, he's a short. Full time. I'm sure we still going to race a little bit. Ryan Vargas. Ryan Vargas won Monster Jam this week. What? So Ryan Vargas won. I didn't know he won. He's driving. Yeah.

So he's driving El Toro Loco now, the big monster truck. He won, like, I don't know what it was, overall Monster Jam or whatever it was. He won this thing. That's where he belongs. I don't know who this guy is. So he's a young kid that was running Xfinity and some other stuff. But he's a good kid. He's on the roof, a lot of spotting.

He kind of does everything. Anything he can do works on cars. I remember at Talladega they brought them. We were going to have a, you know, a monster truck. Oh, they did. And I get back there. Helton was back there, and I remember what's his name said, I'm going to try. Kevin Hamlin, crew chief.

Yeah. I said, I get up inside, started it, and I'm like, I'm not that fucking stupid. Well, he drove it. He jumped, he jumped, broke his back. It was, we were like. Helton said to me, what do you think? I said, during the, yeah, I could. He took off.

I asked for, does anybody got filmed for that? He took off. We were like, oh, shit. Oh, so he went. He went all in. Oh, hell. Yeah. Fla, we're like, holy shit.

Bam, hit the thing, broke his back. Dollar Vagan. I remember that. In the infield. The guy said to me, he says, you know, I just don't believe this is my calling. Fucking blew it. Jimmy did it at Wall. So they back him up against the middle of three and four.

They back and they got a cards in the infield. So John's like, John the third's like, egging him on, you won't do it. You won't do it. So, of course, Jimmy's a dumbass. He does whatever John told him to do. So Jimmy hits these things wide open lands, one hops into the fence. Like, I'm like, you stupid fuck. Jesus.

But, yeah, so. Herschman won. Where to Herschman win? Evergreen or Mahoney. Mahoning. Wednesday night, what time? Six o'clock? Six o'clock.

Six o'clock. Jall and Bell. Jell and Bell. You were at the last one with us when we did that Jall and Bell at, where were we? Tony's place. Tony's place. A pizza place. Remember we did the jail?

We're going to lock a bunch of drivers up and raise some money to get them out. Cool. Put them back in. We haven't decided yet. But there's a guy like Lugano, we could probably bail him out and then there'd be plenty of people paying and put him back in. Some of these guys, they might want to keep out of Martinsville. What are he raising the money for?

Brian Davis, the same thing. Same scholarship for the girls. Official that passed away about 10, 15 years ago. Oh, yeah, I know. Having a Cornelius sent. Yeah, we did that, yeah. Good pizza. Got a bunch of drivers.

I know Blaney, Blaney, Lugano, Bowman are coming. There's a list. We'll keep sharing the links this week. But it's only 50 bucks. Come hang out. Me and Tommy, you're going to be judges. I mean, lawyers, apparently. I don't know how the fuck that's going to work out.

I'm usually on the other side. I was going to say, you guys usually need lawyers, probably. I would assume the bail's not going to go down with me and Tommy talking about it. I think McRendals had the best quote last week in our text there. He's like, someone was looking for the jail thing. He's going to, hell, have ball. We look at his closet. Yeah, they were looking for prisoner, prisoner outfits.

Larry said, Larry, so Larry Max, the judge. So Larry Max, the judge, myself, Tommy, slugger, Corey LaJoy I ain't seen Slugger anymore. Yeah, no, he's working with Toyota, right? Yeah,

you ain't missing much. He sucks. Cool. And then, obviously, like I said, there's numerous drivers. I think there's worth to like 18 or 20 drivers.

Crew chiefs are going to get involved. It's going to be a fun time if you want to get up in close and personal with some drivers and watch me and Tommy get drunk and talk shit to Larry Mack and about certain people.

It'll be fun to have fun that night. I may attend that. You coming? Maybe. Brilliant. I got a shout out for you guys. Oh, come on. Want to thank the Big Cat for a great career.

Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised. I don't know that anybody really knew that. I had heard that they were hiring somebody over there to go in the nine car full time next year. And I didn't realize that that made me be, but I'm sure Brad's still going to race a bunch. I assume he's probably just not going to chase points anywhere or maybe like the midweek stuff. But I didn't see that coming.

But he's got his hands in so much of that. high limit stuff and they're trying to get that charter system to take off over there. So I'm sure he's got his hands full and probably needs a chance to step back and breathe a little bit. He's got Rick help at all. Yeah, at El Dorah. Yeah. And those guys, I mean, you see it's Sunshine. We had them on the show earlier this year.

Like, you know, when them guys wreck, it's, uh, is he back? Is he running? No, no. He's probably in the booth, though, at some of their races recently. Yeah, he's doing better. Hopefully. I mean, he's always going to be an idiot, unfortunately. Who? Tyler Courtney.

Thomas, we go on racing. this week? Yeah, Martinsville. You're spotting. I know. I got to move the Martinsville. Who are you helping now, you said? Well, I got Luke's running the modified race.

Martinsville. What day is the modified race for? Thursday. And then who's coming? Rick Ware, Cody Ware is in the 51. So, and he's down only two cars, right? One car now. One car now?

You're done? We're done. We're done. Now I'm full banquet mode. They have a cool, he has a cool drag racer. I like him. Yeah, Clay, Mel. Love Clay.

He's a good guy, man. Clay's good piece. He's right up your alley, both of you. He's just a good guy, man. Hey, when you're a good guy like Tommy and me. Yeah, right. Opposite of you. Yeah.

I used to love you guys. You're a last kisser. He walks around. Thank you, Jimmy. Thank you. November 14th. I don't know why I let him say that on the podcast. Yeah, he's a fucking ass.

I'm about to say that all fucking week this week. Somebody else does, when my nephew watches this one, to Noot. Danny's got one. Did he do it here? Yeah. Not here, but same plain platform. Dirty Mo.

And then Dales is right over there. Which you did Dales, right? Yeah. It was the worst one I heard of the lowest rated ever. Can we fact? Check that as a true. This will be the highest rated one ever for us. So we appreciate that.

Our banquet's Friday, November 14th. But that does anyone listening here no good because you can't buy a ticket if you don't have the code. Where is it? Well, give me the code. Expedite. No, cars store. I work for the cars store. Carson helps run that.

That's a great series. I was talking to Marcus Smith about it. Yeah. It's a good series. It's been, it was a fun year. Yeah. Because how many races?

They were in like 15? 15. Yep. Wasn't that started by Carrie Boatheimer? Ooh. That's before her time. Yeah, that's way before my time.

I know like the series was founded kind of off the remnants of Hooters Pro Cup. I remember when we went to Bristol Rusty Sterling. me, you know, the veterans old, what's his name, had that race? And they said, they had all these rules. Fucking Sterling's spoiler was like six and a half inches.

You know, and I walked over there to Jay Bird. I said, Jay Bird, look at fucking Rusty's car and Sterling's car and tell me it's legal. And my two guys, I ran third, you know, and I said, he goes, it's just a fucking show. I just, no, you don't understand. We race to win And Sterlin ended up beating

It was a trophy It was a trophy! Yeah It was a true trophy And shit I couldn't I mean I said God dang it

I can't believe The sons of bitches But that was the start of the car That was the car's tour originally Well Jimmy Thank you very much for joining us I hope you enjoyed your sentence here

The nice thing is you can cuss once in a while Yeah yeah We leave it pretty wide open around here I think today was the record This show's going to come out at midnight tonight Because poor Alex is going to be on editing Caitlin and I set a fuck record on rare breeds last week And then our record's already been beaten

I think by son of a bitch So that's pretty sweet It's going to be amazing But again Jimmy thank you very much I'll tell you what's going to be fun though During the modified rate or the modified day Is the Mazda's a racing Yeah

And that's good a great show What's race? Some of our RX Some of our cars tour drivers Raced out last year So maybe if they are Then you guys might get raised with each other

They're like, they're just, I mean, last time I saw there was 50 of them, and they just run all over each other. The funniest thing I ever saw in racing, we were at, I don't know if it was ice-lip that night, or I think it was, anyway, and they had drag racing. You could enter your car. Oh, yeah. And this guy's got a baby seat in the back. And we're standing, I'm standing with Bob O'Rourke.

And I went, this son bitch ain't lifting. He fucking knocked the wall down. Oh, yeah. Boom. I mean, knocked it down. I was like, oh, my God. And then we're looking, and I said, he's in trouble because he's got the car seat in the back and all. That was great, right?

That was good promoting right there. That was fun back in the day. Bobo Rock was the man. He was special. He was something. All right. Thank you guys for listening. Again, we appreciate it.

Again, Jimmy, thank you very much. We'll be back next week with Jordan Bianchi after Martin's will to break down all the Phoenix championship races. So it can be fun. We'll see you guys next week. We're out. Bye. Check out, check out Dirtymo Media. On Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.