Door Bumper Clear - Jordan Bianchi: Race Manipulation, Martinsville Beef & Driver Star Power

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

The Athletic’s Jordan Bianchi joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge on this week’s episode of Door Bumper Clear to break down the action from Martinsville. The crew discusses the concern level of Joe Gibbs Racing after both their Championship 4 drivers have engine problems. Then, Freddie gets heated after hearing Sam Mayer’s comments regarding his on-track incident with Jeb Burton. Plus, Jordan updates what Silly Season will look like after next year, and breaks down how the Xfinity Series will look heading into 2026. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today is Tommy's 87th birthday? What is it? Today's your birthday? Yeah, it takes my birthday. How old are you, Tom? 59, baby. Oh, wow. What do you mean younger than you thought?

Fucking, who brought this guy here? Following is a production of Dirty Moe Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a crew tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with us. knock each other out and let's move on.

I think he's a whiny. That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Grouty nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before.

Not enough of you. You're all the f*** it! Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I am Freddie Craft, Spot up for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson, Gio Ruggiero. Pretty solid weekend. decent all the way around.

Thomas, how is it having another wheel fall off this week? Yeah, it's just awesome. How many is that this year? That's nine. But who's counting? Yeah. Yeah, it's been so fun. Hey, I will say this.

I do have to make an announcement on the show. Today is Tommy's 87th birthday? What is it? Today's your birthday? Yeah, it's my birthday. How old are we, Tom? 59, baby. 59.

What do you mean younger than you thought? fucking who brought this guy here happy happy birthday dad thank you we all appreciate you very much and I'm really glad you maybe come out there Thursday night to fucking break again yeah appreciate I'm you never spotting again good thank you because every time you're to spotter

that thing never less I told Beth I told Beth that day and she's like don't jinx it's like oh Beth it's not a jinx this is just what happens every time Carson how are you today I'm good first car store weekend off Did you go, you made it to bed before 3 o'clock last night? I did. I did. I did exceed my first goal I gave myself.

I said I was going to leave by 10. I left by 11. That's just because you were trying to avoid Strickler is why you were going to leave. That's exactly why. When you said he was getting there at 10, I was like, perfect. I got to be gone by 10. And of course, joining us again for this show. This is normally Gluck spot.

We fired Gluck out of this spot. And we've brought his co-host here, Jordan. Welcome back again. Thank you. Appreciate it. You're kind of toned down today. I was going to say this is the chillist. He's not toned down.

He's got a silver lining shirt on. I know, but the jacket doesn't have a pattern. This is like the chillest suit jacket I've seen. What do you got over there? Top of hanging off the table. I got our new clothes, man. Oh, you got new sponsors? There are new our sponsors?

I got a bag over there. I got to check it out. It's actually a really nice shirt. I found out. You know what I found out? What? They sponsored the three most models of all of dirty media. Dirty media, dirty mobe.

Dirty media. And I didn't even drink last night. The three most fashionable people here. Who is it? Me, you, and Amy. Oh, absolutely. Those are the ones. Those are the ones.

They picked us three. You scream passion. Those are the ones I have to go with. Yeah. So go to the website. Got really nice clothes. Really soft. Nice.

I'm going to give Jordan one. No, it's right. I'm going to get him out of goodwill. Yeah. Anyway, God forbid. Jordan, how's everything? How is, how is, how is, Tear down last night, did Jeff Piss you off at all?

No, we were good. Good show. Great episode. Great recap of whatever thing that transpired. And Martinsville far less chaotic than many recent years, whether it was the truck series or Xfinity or the Cup. Thank God. Thank God is right. I don't know. I kind of like the material.

I don't know about you. It makes for an easy show. But just not, no controversy, no chaos, no standing around afterwards, wondering how NASCAR is going to rule on this and guys riding walls or anything like that. So, it's very calm weekend at Martinsville. And I don't think I'm going to get suspended this week,

which is great news. Knock at what. I don't remember, you know, the second half of the race, maybe. It was a little foggy, but I don't, like, I don't think I said anything wrong. So I don't remember. Just doing your job. Tommy was a pretty good race, though. I thought, like up front at least, you know, tires mattered.

We saw tire wear. We saw you get to a level, like a platform where you kind of like, they would fall off and then you hit kind of almost not as bad as Bristol, but you'd get to a lap number where it just kind of fell off. off really hard. Yeah, it would be, I guess the number was probably around 2080 to 21 flat. Everyone got to that about lap 70, 80. And then the cars that were bad dropped.

But it was interesting because once Blaney short pitted there for the stage 3, he had, what, 10 lap less, you know, more laps on his tires. And he hung on a little bit longer. And I was surprised because when they all pitted and the caution came out, Blaney actually had one, I think one or two laps more, a better lap. laps on his tires than the 24 car. I'm like, okay, now he's set. But, man, he ran hard in the beginning of that run.

And I was in the corner, you know, because that's where we were pitted. And I was like, he is on that throttle a little too hard in the beginning of this run. And kudos to the 24 to William just being patient, letting the race come to him. It was a good race, man. I mean, 24, them guys did their job, for sure. And, you know, all this playoff talk, everything else, the regular season champion, goes out, delivers in the moment, needs to win the race, he goes out, wins the race. I thought the Hendrik cars were kind of the best cars throughout the weekend.

The 9 was really strong at practice, the 24 was strong, and they showed that in the race. They were Jordan up front, basically the entire race. Yeah, they had a really great weekend. I mean, Byron goes there, wins the pole, wins both stages, leads to 300 plus lap. I mean, his best all-around performance of his career in that moment with everything. And this is a two-time Daytona 500 winner, but he rose to the occasion in a race he absolutely needed to. and it was nice to see after how this round unfolded for him. Obviously, the incident with Ty Dillon and then Talladega,

and then he comes here and delivers really remarkable. And all that conversation last week about the Penske cars and how they're going to go to, you know, they're the teams to beat at Martinsville. And if they get to Phoenix Lookout, we all overlooked Hendrick Motorsports. But when you look at the numbers, Chase was really good there last year. Byron has won there before, though,

and the fall has been a little iffy for him. And then Kyle Larson is just good there. It doesn't matter. they came to play this weekend, and I think that bodes really well for their chances at Phoenix next weekend. I think the 24 car, they had two or three of these type of races this year and never finished it off, right? I think Charlotte, right? And Vegas, obviously. Darlington, they almost threw a perfect game.

I mean, they literally let every lap until, you know, three quarters of the way through the race, and then they lost control the race and lost the race. Charlotte this year dominated that race. Ross-Jestine passed them late. Iowa, they were able to hang on, and that was a race. but they've had these moments this year where they lead a bunch of laps and then the race gets away from them. This is an elite team that we often overlook and we talk so much about Larson and Bell and all of the players, you know, Byron just kind of falls underneath that radar a little bit of a great driver who's really good on all type of tracks.

Yeah, for sure. And then now we end up with, I don't think there's a clear favorite. No, I don't think so. If Blaney wins that race yesterday, you go into this week going Blaney's the favorite because they have dominant the pen. the Penske cars have been at Phoenix, but now you've got two Gibbs, two Hendrick. I don't think you have a clear favor. No, there isn't.

I think momentum-wise there is. Sure. Right? I think the 20-20-going in, going with what they know now, they finally closed the race, right? I think they are the favorite just because of that. But, yeah, I mean, but you got to remember, man,

you know, Gibbs cars have a history there, of having a lot of break issues, right? Have it going into Phoenix, you know, have they fixed them? And I know if they've tried, doing a lot of different things with the parts and pieces to make them last. But I don't know, man. It's going to be fun.

Well, let me throw this at you. We've seen a few mechanical failures from the Gibbs cars the last few weeks. Now, those, now that are engine at Martinsville and there have been some other things. But is that concerning at all? Not just breaks, but just anything at all. Ours is this just kind of a, it happens, no big deal we move on. You've got to be worried about it. Yeah.

I mean, it's got to be in the back of your mind. They've had a lot, and we've had as well at Toyota with the 2311 cars. but starters clutches, there's just been issues there kind of all year long for across the board. And then you saw it in practice or qualifying, I think it was with Danny. Danny had to get pushed off for qualifying because his car wouldn't fire up. He has an engine issue yesterday. Herps has an issue. Brisco had an issue.

I talked to Slugger this morning. And Slugger said all three issues were completely different. It wasn't one thing they were trying. It didn't work out. But he said the big thing, the big thing remember is, about Phoenix, these are all motors that they've had to run already. They're sealed engines. You've got to bring a sealed engine to Phoenix that you've had to run at least one time throughout the year.

So it's not like anybody's got, you know, got some crazy throwdown motor they're bringing this weekend. And it's something that's already proven. So you would think that they'll be okay. But it's got to be in a back of your mind, I think, right, Tom? I mean. Yeah, but I think they're, again, knowing the 11 really probably didn't. Again, the forecast, right, for the engine, the groups with the, sealed engines. Probably going into Martin's, though. It's like, they're already forecasting what

engine to run where. Okay, the 11 made the race, right? Let's swap. Maybe not Vegas, but, you know, could we do some stuff different? Maybe it was the most mileage out one. Maybe it was one that ran the road course, right? They did a high rev at once. You don't know, but I can guarantee you all four of those cars that show up, have the freshest engines that they can possibly have for the championship. And when they say, like, I don't know this answer at all, so I'm going to ask you, but, um, so they say this thing's got to run one time. Does it have to run one? time in the 11 or could it just run it's a it's a group of engines that run with with all the manufacturers cars they can change them when it however they want gotcha um i thought the racing

all weekend was pretty good the exfinity race was good the infinity race was like deja vu at the end i look up i told dean i said i don't really know what's getting ready to happen here because we've got uh poor taylor gray's leading and the next two guys are very desperate they need to win and they have a history sam and he smith and taylor gray have a history together there. But after the rebuttal from in here, after the spring race, I don't think that Sammy would have tried anything different. I mean, I congratulate everybody because, you know, finally they're racing the way they're

supposed to be racing, right? Again, in the spring, when we were arguing about all this, it's like we are the top-tier, these three or the top-tier divisions of our sport, right? We are teaching these kids how the race. And I think you've finally seen a challenge. trend now of what's been going on with all the racing that there's a little bit more professionalism and all the

divisions and the racing's still not bad it's just no stupid shit's going on right it's just still hard clean racing and it's producing good finishes do you think George do you think if the spring went differently does the fall go differently? Oh 100% because the

conference look what happened after the spring race they had there's the meeting at Darlington where they the drivers were kind of read the riot act a little bit of, you know, get your act in order. This is not how we're going to race. And coincidentally or not, NASCAR, before the Xfinity Series race on Saturday, had a competition meeting with the drivers. Now, they covered a lot of issues in that meeting. And a very small part of that, though, was, guys, let's use our heads here. Let's not be stupid. And they didn't lay down the law, but they made it very knowing. It has to be in your mind, right?

Yeah. And they had a meeting. I think they had a driver's only meeting Saturday. Saturday. That's what I said. So, you know, and it's, it's, for one, shout out to Taylor Gray because the kid probably should have three clocks at this point. I remember his last truck race he should have won. Both races this year he should have won. I thought he did a very good job of executing the last restart, carrying more speed into the box than probably was anticipated. And that gets you,

that already builds you a little bit of gap into one. And then he obviously, you know, hits his couple corners and he's got a two or three car length gap. So that Sammy's not, if Sammy wants to do it, it's going to look worse. Because he's going to have to bomb it in there from two or three car length. back and run you over. So I think Taylor did a really good job of executing that. Restart, getting away, and making it, like, if you're going to do this, you're going to have to look like a real asshole to do it.

Plus, he was the best car. Yeah, and he was, yeah, by far at the end of the race. And I got to give a shout of the Justin. Justin did a really good job. And if that yellow doesn't come out in the middle of that late run, no worse than third. No worry. He was going to run top three. And that would have been, I mean, phenomenal for him.

I think he ended up in the top 10, but he had a really good run all night long. We can't even say anything bad about him on the show. He won the modified race. He finished really good. I mean, I can still say he's a piece of shit. He's not that bad. Not today. Jesse Love, I want to talk to...

Jesse Love did everything he could to throw away a 40-point game. The car was absolutely horrible. He was having a rough day. That thing would push like a damn dump truck from the first lap of practice. And I felt so bad for him because you know... That is probably one of the worst places to be that type of. because you are in everybody's way. You can't hide.

No, you can't hide. And on top of the car being bad, then he speeds on pit road. Then they had another like a little, a tire interference penalty. I'm like, they came in plus 40 and I'm like,

as long as they just go out there and run around, they're going to be fine. Then all of a sudden you look up and it's like, he's plus 10. Yeah. And you're like, what the hell just happened? It fell on a lap on a green flag run,

had got that back. And it was just in all, they kept taking a gun to their foot and like shooting it. It's like a degree of difficult. They did. Absolutely did. And nobody was able to capitalize.

But to their credit, to Jesse's credit, they figured it out and skated by. Well, the only, nobody else won. No, yeah. Right? Yeah, that was it. And I will say the one guy that I was happy to see recover was quaple because the kid was doing everything right, kind of just riding around, minding his own business. And then the 39 and 25, getting a little pissy match into three and clean him out.

And I'm watching the standings. And he goes from like plus 14 to minus seven. Yeah. And you're like, oh shit. Like this kid. He had enough time. But he got enough time. He got back.

I don't know what he ended up making it by, but they just did. And I thought the one guy I thought that had a great race. Brandon Jones did everything in his power, aside from win. But he went out, they got stage points. They called the race perfectly. He was in the top five. He took stage points when he could get him and put the pressure on guys like love and them to quaple to have good days.

And he was the one that was running second on the last restart. Could have just gone in there and blown Taylor off the racetrack like Ty did to him a couple years ago and he didn't do it. He ran, I thought it was a really good race for him. I think before that last caution, I think all four Gibbs cars were top four, right? Yeah. They weren't two. Right in the next. Obviously, they got something figured out there.

Truck race was Cory Heim. I mean, well, I'm just saying, because he won the race. I'm saying he won. He did his job, man. He got lucky. I'm going to say lucky because he was just ahead of Cruzey. When the yellow came out.

When the yellow came out. Another lap or two, Cruzy takes the lead back. I mean, you just, Cruzy. I was really impressed. I thought that race played in the GEO's favor perfectly. Like we, we pit, we short pit the second stage. We get to the lead. We pass Cruz for the lead. We have fresher tires and crews. And I'm like,

okay, we're going to, this, now we just got to get away so that Corey can't catch us. Because Corey was the better truck, but he was buried with traffic and tires. And I'm like, as long as we get away, and all of a sudden, I'm like, we're not good enough to hold Cruz off. Like, Cruz's truck is better than ours at this point.

and he went by us. We kind of faded back in the pack, but then, like you said, they have a restart their side-by-side. Corey's on the outside. Yellow comes out of the worst possible time for Cruz, and then he loses control of the race, and then it was a disaster from there.

And then he has to play teammate, right? I don't know what you're going on. Listen, that race, you can say, like, all right, let's go to it. So if you're going to talk about, hold on.

We got, there's some people over there. Yeah, Dave, big Dave, medium Dave and Brian are here from South Africa. They are our buddies that come about once a year.

What do you want to? I mean... Yeah, what are they doing here? They're just hanging out. I mean, they came to Big Alas last night, they're still drunk. Oh, Brian... I think Brian said he's broken this morning, so I said I have that effect on people. I found that he speaks 11 languages. Yeah. And all from South Africa.

I don't know. All right, go on. Anyway, I don't even know what the hell I was talking about. You said, fuck it. Let's get into it. Oh, the end of that race was maybe the biggest I mean, that was just straight race manipulation at the end of that race. Whoever you want to talk about whether it's the front row.

Whether it's the front row guys, just Jordan was scanning the radio. I haven't heard it, but it wasn't good. It wasn't good. Chandler Smith is late, the caution is out, the last caution period.

And they tell Chandler Smith, hey, when you go by the border, when you go by the front straightway, look over and you'll see this. And he's like, what? And they go, look at this when you go by. And he's like, Oh, I got it.

I pick up what you're putting down. The TV screen. And right behind him was Lane Riggs, his teammate. And coincidentally or not, on the forthcoming Choose Cone, Lane got the preferred spot even though. Well, like Chandler took the bottom. Lane took the top. And then Chandler just had a really bad restart, apparently. He was clear by four out the front for the whole run there.

And Lane was able to get down and go. And I'm glad it didn't affect anything really. because, you know, Lane would have had to gain another spot. But, like, you can't say on your radio. Like, listen, it's near and dear to my heart because I got fucking suspended for this last year. Like, you can't pick and choose when to call this. That was blatant race manipulation right there, and it could have affected everything. Like, and...

Do you think if it would have actually, like, like, would NASCAR have done something about it? If it would have actually really changed something drastically? There was some other stuff besides that. There was all, yeah, the whole... Everybody was... Everybody up there was... And even on Saturday, you saw it on Saturday. But this is my point.

I think they, I think, and I don't, like we talked about when Ford was here, just open it up, let it go. Like, I understand why they probably can't because of the gambling side of our sport, which I don't understand why gambling has an effect on the performance of our sport. But Jordan, like, it should just be, you do whatever the hell is best for you and your team, like your teammates included. I get that, but the other side of that is the integrity. It's like you want, you promote this sport to be,

teams, individually teams, racing hard as much as you can. And they said that in the driver's meeting on Sunday morning, where they said, listen, on the radio, you are only too focused about, talk about your performance and how you can do your best job possible and your best result. And so if you open it up, how do you, there has to be a line. You can't just have outright manipulation of guys handing spots or even wins.

Why not? Why not? But the problem to me is like you take that example of Danny at the roval with he was behind Ross. Best case scenario for Denny is to keep the 22 out of Phoenix. I agree with that. Like that is a big picture thing. And I understand. And I agree with that.

Like that is Denny actually looking at the big picture saying long term, this is what's in my best interest. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have an issue, though, is outright blatant manipulation. No offense Friday, but like what happened last year. I don't know what you're talking about. Exactly. But last year it happened at Mortonsville, I'm not okay with that. I'm not okay with the Chevy teams, you know, fanning out and essentially blocking the track.

That's not racing. That's not what this should be about. And I worry about potentially one day down the road, you could have somebody say, move who's ever leading, you're moving over for your teammate who needs that win. Now, the format's likely changing next year, which I think will erase a lot of this to some degree. But you have to have a line of the sand about what's okay and what's not. I agree with you. I think it's, I don't agree with you, Freddie.

Fuck off. I think it has to be one or the other. You know, like you have to call everything or call. nothing because where we're at now, you're kind of picking and choosing what you call. But when you're hearing that, what do you call? Like, what do you do? What do you mean? When you hear front row, like, how do you handle the front row situation?

Fuck, it's just like, suspend them. Like, this is what happened last year, you know? Like, this is, it's got to be one way or the other. You can't pick and choose. Nothing should be talked about on the radio. You go run your race and you figure it out at the end. Yeah, I just, I don't. Look, I've seen a lot of things going on yesterday.

too. Lap cars. Lap cars struggling, you know, doing other manufacturers making it harder for other manufacturers to pass. I mean, there's a lot. There's a... That's okay, though. Like, I'm okay with that. Like, Alex Bowman made it really... I mean, William Byron is coming up and Alex Bowman late in the race, and Bowman

moved out of the way. Now, he didn't, wasn't a roadblock for the 12, but he sure as heck was a lot easier to... The 24 had a lot easier time getting around them than that. I'm okay with that to some degree. Like, that's just sometimes how it works. What I love about this is this shit happens all year long. Like from the first couple races, you know,

and now obviously there's a spotlight on it. But like, that's my point. Like, it shouldn't matter different. It shouldn't make a difference whether it's now or in March that you're letting somebody go for a spot. Or, you know, there's, you know, I know the 100% rule doesn't exist anymore. But we all, like, if somebody catches you and they're better than you, you just let them go. Like so now all of a sudden you're telling me that's wrong now because, you know, it's different. because it's the last race of the season versus the third race of the season?

I don't buy that. I don't disagree, but this form has always been around in some way. I mean, we saw back in the day, and you were on then, Tommy, you know this. And that, you know, the leader of the race, the caution would come out and you'd race back the line. And he would slow way down, and he would let a trail of cars or his teammate come by and get the lap back. And then we saw stuff like that all that. Or a teammate, or teammates were running first and second, and the teammate in second would get to go by for a point. So, like, I mean, these things have happened to awesome degrees.

And that's why I don't think you can definitively have a line of the sand of, you can't do this. Like, it has to be a moving line and it's circumstantial in some degree. It's not fair and it's not right. And you'd like it to be black or white. I just don't think there is any black and white in this. Yeah. I think Freddie's just mad because he's the only one. I'm the only one I got to spend.

I mean, Brandon and Benesh. Me and being the two Brandons, really. It's not that you were obvious. We got a flat tire. Yeah. How about Spires big news? this week hiring Daniel Svora as to drive the 7. Yeah, we talked about it. I think he broke

and we talked about on here. I think that's the win-win for those two people. Like Spire needed somebody and it's, I would say, money-driven from the Spire side of things. They want a veteran in that car. They want something with experience. And say what you will about Swarra's in his record, but he has two wins on his record. He's been in the playoffs

twice. If he is motivated and he should be next year because he's kind of an effectively racing for his career. Is it a one-year deal? It's a one-year deal. And so he, you know, this is a proof of year for him. Like if he doesn't do well next year, who knows what his future is in the Cup series, he has to do well. If you get somebody like he produced in 2022 at Trackhouse, he had great results. If you can get that driver in your car for that year, you have an opportunity to do something.

And look at what Michael McDowell and Carson Hosevar have done this year. They have the results. They haven't, they don't have a win, but they have speed and they have execution for the most time. And if Suarez can match that, they're in a good spot. Tommy, what does what does Haley do from here? I mean, there's obviously no cup rides, unless you're hiring him over there that I'm not worried of. I think he sits in waits, gets his barons in order.

I think he's... So you work with him. You get his shit right. He's a top 20 driver almost every racetrack. He's a good race car driver. I just think there just never was any consistency there for his team. There was always people moving around. You know, you got Ryan, who's...

who's a really good competition director, and he's a good crew chief, but he's trying to do both, right? You got pick crew guys. They were the crew that kept leaving to help the other cars when they had penalties. Crew members leaving, new guys coming. Cheddar left.

Yeah, I mean, you just never had any consistency for him, you know? So I just think he got a raw deal, to be honest with you, for there. I think he's a good race car driver, and I think, you know, you might know, I think there's quite a bit of contracts up next year. Huge. Huge number of contracts. And all three series. And I think

not this year, not the end of this year. It was only one. At 26. Yeah. And how many? Do you know? I can actually go through and list them all. It's quite, look at this way. I think it's like over 20. Nearly every major organization in the Cup series has at least one opening next year. Yeah. So there's going to be a lot of moving around, I think, towards the end of the year.

probably in a start happening in the summer. There's a lot of stuff going around right now to get ready for that, to be honest with you. I'm pretty confident in that. So, yeah, I would, I think he needs to regroup, get some good people around him that believe in him, and he'll be fine. Yeah, I mean, do we have any idea where he's going? I think you could see him next year do some one-offs, brickware racing. Potentially, you guys have ran a second car and select races. that could potentially be an option there, maybe a colleague situation.

If they run a third car in spot, you know, spot races, who, you know, they do have, and basically an all-star truck, it sounds like they're going to do in the truck series at some level. I think you could see an opportunity for him in those spots to kind of places where he does really well, right? You know, super speedway. There's one of those trucks, I think, have opened up in the last week or so that he might take advantage of. I mean, it's almost like a reset, right? You have to, you know, whether that's in the Cup series or Xfinity or trucks is just go,

have a really good year, win some races, and just get yourself back on the radar because, you know, a year ago, he was a guy everybody was talking about. Like, he was, big teams. If he had $6 million, he'd be still in a seven car.

Well, there's that too. Okay, yeah. So that's it. Yeah. End the story. The one thing I did want, Jordan, we all talked about at length, rumor-wise,

the cup series. I want to talk a little bit of Xfinity because I don't think a lot of people touch on Xfinity. And I had, I just put my notes, like, what the Xfinity rosters are going to look like next year, which is, I think they're all fairly set,

like especially the major teams. JGR is going to be gray, Swallich, Brandon Jones. Yes, and then do you want to? No, yeah, you can't. So there is. I think I talked about it. No, you did a close, but there's, I think,

I'm going to go back to, I think the 17 of those going to be available. There's 22 in the cup, 17 and the Xfinity contracts are going to be up at I mean the affinity contracts largely almost are year to year anyway right? But not this year. So who's the fourth one? The fourth guy's going to have a great pick crew.

That was good. That was good. J.R.M. Allgaier, Sammy, are full-time. You're going to have, I think, Connor and Raja. Well, Connor and Quaple. Quapur are going to share a ride.

Raja, which I thought he's getting more races than I thought he was. He said it's, I think the number's over 20. And it's going to be, I guess, would that be the car that Chastain and SVG run? He's going to be in the 88. And I think Chastain and SVG are going to be in the 9, if I have it right. Oh, so then somebody else. And then the 88, potentially you could see Hendrik drivers. You know, they've kind of floated some drivers in there.

Other, you know, other Chevy back drivers are if there's another driver in the developmental pipeline they like, they want to get some opportunities to. Speaking of Hendrick, Corey Day, full-time? Yeah, that is the expectation. There's something else brewing at Spire. to Haas staying the same? I haven't heard anything. Sam Mayer's coming back. I don't know about this week, but

you mean, yeah, Phoenix. Can we talk about that really quickly? We're going to get to that. Yeah. You think Kuster will be in the 41? Know what you saying? No, you can't, I don't think, but. Yeah.

So Sam Hunt announced this week, Dean and Burton, Colleg. I mean, colleague is, by all accounts, my understanding is they are not going to be running full-time in the X-Indo series next year. No, they haven't announced anything yet. but the conversation I've had of people, it seems that's where it's trending. And there's no reason to, on their business model, what they have going on with Dodge, right?

They need to take all that good group of guys, right? All those teams, all those people, all the equipment. They're really good. All the trailer purchases, they bought all truck trailers, so those can get moved, right? They're not as far behind as everybody thinks because they have all the infrastructure in place. Largely, yeah. So, yeah, I think it's a smart move by them or just concentrating on things they need to concentrate on. and see what happens, Sarah.

Love and Hill, RCR. They announced this past weekend, Jesse Love is coming back, and then Austin Hill has a contract, a multi-year contract with RCR. He's one of the few drivers. That's about all I had for roster-wise. I mean, obviously, I don't know, Tommy Joe Martin.

Yeah, and a lot of that's... Sam Hunt, right? Sam Hunt and now, they're going to run two full-time cars next year. And the interesting thing there, I will say, is how the Corey Heim situation works out. The expectation was that Corey was maybe going to do a select number of races with Sam Hunt next year. basically split between the three series cup

Xenity and trucks you know now with Sam Hunt going to two full-time teams where does Cory Heim fit in and all that yeah I don't I mean I obviously I spot for Dean on one of Sam's cars and I don't know that they have the resources to run a third car they might

you know and you could see it but it's it's a challenge yeah I would I would anticipate and that's the the crime of what you know everybody was talking about if Sam if Corey doesn't win the championship this year it's the biggest crime in the world, whatever. The biggest crime in the world is this kid doesn't have a ride next year.

In the Cup Series. Not just in the Xfinity. Everywhere. He's like, no, he belongs. I mean, he belongs in the Cup Series. This is an elite talent driver who when he, in Select Cup Starts has impressed. And he's done well in Xfinity Series with a team that doesn't have a ton of resources.

I mean, if you put him in a bona fide cup car and give him a full program, I think he's going to do very, very well. He'll be just fine next year. I get, I mean, he's going to be fine. They are doing everything they possibly can. Tommy, you're being so cryptic over here. Everything he said.

No, no, he's not being cryptic. He's just saying he's going to be fine because, I mean, Corey's going to run. Before what he just said too. Well, he's being an idiot. But Corey, I mean, Corey's going to have a handful of, more than a handful of cup starts. He's going to run the truck a little bit, I think. He's going to be fine, but it's just, it's just a crime that he does not have a full-time ride. It goes back to how many contracts where everybody is in the business world.

I mean, it's just this year is, next year is an odd. year, right, for things... We just did not have a lot of movement. Right. And people are locked in. And then the charter stuff with drivers helping fund charters and things like that,

it just kind of locked everything in for 26. It's really just more than anything, just bad timing for Heim. But again, super talented. What do you mean by that? Bad time. It's not... Spot on, spot off.

It's good. It is not Heim time next year. All right. Let's get in a spot on spot off. Hey, it's Dale Jr. and for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to shop.dirtymomedia.com. We've got plenty of options, and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop.dotidemomedia.com.

Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? William Byron makes a really aggressive move on Ryan Blaney for the lead with 44 laps to go.

Spot on, spot off. Tommy. Oh, you're taking a sip of your tea. Never mind. Don't drinking the tea. Whoever wants to. Spot on. I mean, this is how you get control of the race.

And it wasn't, I mean, it was, it was aggressive for sure. I hate to say it. I think Ryan got caught sleeping a little bit. They came up on a lap car. I think it was the 10. Maybe I can't remember who it was. Of course it was the 10 with William Byron. Well, hey, turn around.

Turn around. Fair play. You know, Ryan kind of moved down. Like, the 24 had a decent run off of four. And Ryan just kind of lazy. he moved down and and he asked a question right on the radio. Like that, yeah, like did I, yeah, did I give him too much room or whatever it was? And yes, you did.

Yeah. You absolutely did. And he let, and he was going to get him, man. I mean, he was, yeah, at that point in the race, William was better, you know. It's hard, but it is hard to pass. So, you know, it's, and I noticed that yesterday, traffic was the determining factor about when you could pass. Because our car was pretty good at times. But if we ran up on somebody, like, if we were, at one point, we were racing

Brad for Lucky Dog. And that was a little rough between the two. Yeah. We fucked TJ. I was flipping him off. We were good. You guys, I mean. It was, it was, Bubba was, Bubba was.

He was a little violent. He was a little violent yesterday. But, you know, we're racing. We can hold him off. We could hold him off. We could hold him off. We ran down Suarez. And then Brad got us because he had a little fresh tire.

Like, but like, we could have held him off if we had clean racetrack. You start, you know, obviously get dirty air. Your car gets a little worse. And then he got us. And I don't know. Like, it just seemed to me like, Blaney could have held him off. but just one move, like he just, William saw the opportunity and you've got to go for it, right?

You mean, you've got to get control of his race. Well, when you're getting that close to lap cars, that's your only, really only chance, right? I mean, I think the other really good pass during, for the lead was in the middle of lap traffic, right? In the middle of the race, I think that's when, who got the lead? Someone took the lead at that time, too, but,

man, I can't remember now. You're fucking 87 years old. 59 today. 59, 99. 99. Three triple digits next year. Well, we only had many leaders. It was either like Byron, Blaney.

They were the only ones that led the race, I think. Something happened. I mean, when Byron. It'll come to me tomorrow. Something happened. I just can't put my finger on what? When William Byron leans 3 plus laps, I mean, there's just not a lot of opportunity for anybody else. I agree with you, spot on this.

Even Blaney said it afterwards. And he hadn't seen the replay when I asked him it. But he's like, listen, in that situation, you know, you got to go for it. And it wasn't like it was an aggressive move, but it wasn't overly aggressive. It wasn't like Blaney went spinning. He didn't even lose a position. I mean, he didn't fall back to third or fourth. Yeah.

It was one spot. He just gathered it up and went on. It was like, it's very. If you have an, if you take exception with that, then you just throw up Martinsville. Because that, this is what this is, this is what short track racing is about. Yeah, it's just, it looked to me like Blaney got caught sleeping. Yeah, I think what really started Blaney's problems. I mean, he finished second ride, read, led a lot of laps was qualifying.

Oh, yeah. Right? I mean, he had, I mean, if you think about it, he fell back to like 34. 34, lost three spots on the start. Right? And drove all the way up to the lead. Largely with only like one caution. Yeah.

Yeah. So a lot of braking, a lot of different stuff, a lot of wear and tear on the car during that, all that passing. But look, man, he still did his job, man. And Byron was a deserving winner. And Blaney said this afterwards, too. He goes, you know, and I asked him, I said, hey, do you feel like the race kind of got away from you at the seemed like the speed maybe fell off. He looked at me. He's like Byron led like 350 laughs, man.

He had the best car. And he's right. Like, I mean, Byron had the best car. And Byron was smart. He was a little bit aggressive in that situation. And you just had that late restart there. It felt like, okay, if anything's going to happen, this is going to be it. Byron got a terrific jump. And it just never was in question.

For sure. Okay. Moving on to the Xfinity race. Some drama, if you will. Sam Mayer says, Jet Burton, quote, has the shit factor, not the it factor, end quote. And that he just decides to be an absolute dumbass and race a guy with a purple spoiler like that.

It is just awful. Tommy, I'm going to let you take this one. Take it away. What do you think about that? First of all, don't fucking talk to me about your purple spoiler. Like, okay. I'm not. I'm not.

Don't look at me like I am. That's where first, don't even mention it. For one, you're the one that launched jab out of the way early in the beginning, right? Like, so I don't give a shit about your purple spoiler at that point. And this didn't matter. You know, like Jeb, I would imagine Herm didn't tell Jeb the point situation

because God forbid that fucking happens. But, you know, this doesn't matter. Like, this didn't matter to his season at all at this moment. Like at this point, the 41 had to win, I think. And but he. What do we do? On the racetrack, I mean, he moved him on the last lap.

But for me, like the 41 started it. The 40, the Jeb was on the front row, old tires, and the 41 launched him out of the way. And you got it back later in the race. For me, that's okay. And same thing like Jordan talked about. Jeb didn't wreck the 41. He just knocked him up the racetrack and passed him coming to the checker.

Like, that's fair game to me. But what's not fucking fair game is go in the corner and harpooned the guy and wreck him after the checker flag. Jesse had such a bad night. He almost ran into that wreck. Oh, Jesse. Look at him. Oh, man, Jesse. that some bitch needs to hide this week, man.

But, you know, we're watching the replay. But, you know, listen, like I said, first of all, stop mentioning your purple spoiler because I've talked about it on here before. You're racing for points. Jeb Burton is not raising for points. If you want to fucking get a cut slack, get behind them. Like, don't, like, that's how we race.

You know, this guy's going for a win. I don't know he's going to win. But he raced me hard with my purple spoiler. Shut the fuck up. Like, this is what? This is... This is classic short track race. I have no issue with this.

What I take exception with is what happened after the checker flag. And that, in my opinion, should probably earn Sam Mayer a week off. I'm okay if you bump a guy on a cool down lap and just express your anger. You can't go... Me too. You can't... And your rap sheets pretty long that I think about it. You know that?

It's pretty extensive. I'm fucking guilty by association. Okay, okay. Just an excessive. I'm not even you. I'm talking about Bubba. Spend you and you, as a matter of fact. But you can't go spinning a guy and crashing them. And especially in this day and age where NASCAR has been very adamant about hooks and intentionally turning people into walls. And let's go back to what we talked about to Montmartinville, right, and how they wanted to get

their hands around this and police it better and not have this race devolve into complete chaos. You have an opportunity here to send a message to a guy who, even if he misses next week, really doesn't kill the season by any means, right? And saying, hey, listen, we're not going to tolerate this. We're okay with the physical racing. We're okay with moving guys out of the way. We are not okay with what happened in the last lap. So next time when we come back to Martinsville in the spring, remember

that. Maybe one of the worst interviews I've ever heard. Yeah, that's right. Actually, I'm, no. For you, it's probably great. No, I love this. We want guys to speak their minds. We want personalities. We want them to be angry. The problem was he wouldn't speak his mind. I don't know. I felt like I was chasing my tail this in that interview.

I hear you, but has the shit factor, not the it factor. That's a pretty good line. That's a pretty good line. And he repeated it in a different interview after that. I was actually one of those things. Like, did he work on that? Did he workshop that in the car? Like, under a caution? Like, was he bouncing ideas off the crew chief? Like, hey, I need four tires and a round a wedge. Also,

hey, let me throw this line at you. Like, it was good. I feel like, one thing that I want to say, because, you know, a couple years ago, Sam and Ty had this feud going on. And I think Sam kind of got a tough reputation in that in that era because, like, he was pretty rough and he was moving people. And,

I felt like this year he's been much better. Like he's been, he's had speed everywhere. He's, he's, he's, it felt like you look, you're watching go, I think this kid finally turned to corner. He's just now focused. But unfortunately, last Saturday night is going to overshadow, like, this is the only thing you're going to talk about from this kid all year long is what happened on Saturday night now, Tom.

Like, yeah, I mean, if he doesn't move him after the race, no big deal. No one cares. He can talk. He can say everything what he wants because it's good for all of us, right? It's good for the sport. but that's not good for the sport. Again, I can't stress enough that the kids in the world are looking at these drivers, right? And they're going to do the same things on the local short tracks and cause problems.

And they're all role models, right? And they have to understand that. I'm going to get on my high horse here. Oh, no. NASCAR or? No, no, no. I feel bad for it, is Jordan Anderson. Yeah.

Because he's got to foot the bill. And that's 25, 30 grand, whatever that number is. You know, you largely got through the night unscathed. You know, your car's mostly in one piece, which we never expected at Martin'sville. I was talking to Timorner before the race, and he's like, I just pray that we can get through this. And largely it was good.

It was a pretty clean race. And then the race is over, and you get slammed to, you get turned into the wall. And, you know, he went down and confronted Sam, I get it. I got to be frustrated, too. Yeah. And this may or may not have spilled over to the parking lot. Oh, really?

Allegedly. Really? Wow. I love a good parking lot, bro. The tie rickers. rule NASCAR currently uses is the most fair use for all competitors. The rule is in a tide, it goes to the highest

finisher of the round and not the whole season. Spot off. That's got to be spot off. Yeah. I mean, you have to, you have to that person to me. Yeah, that person with the most wins and best finishes the whole year. You look at the stat lines and I love Honeycutt. Honeycutts a great

kid. I'm happy for him. Really good race car driver. I'm glad he got in but in this scenario, you look at Riggs, three wins, 12 top five, 15 top tens, Honeycut, no wins, three top fives, 13 top tens. If you're going, if in a legitimate

tie breaker, how does Riggs not, you know, rigs should be the guy in. Like at this point, because that's the rule. That's the rule. Yeah. And like it's, yeah, I mean, it's a really easy way.

We talk about how the playoffs maybe are unfair and they're skewed more towards instant performance an overall thing. This is a really easy way to kind of give a little bit of a nugget to those teams who do perform great weekend and week out. And so, yeah, I agree with you guys.

It's, you know, it's, that's always the way, I didn't even realize, like, in the moment, I said, I saw they were tied and I go, oh, Lane gets in. I know Lane's got wins and Honeycutt doesn't. You would think. And then I thought about it on the way home, like, oh, shit, that's not.

And Honeycutt only got in because he finished second Friday night. Yeah. You know, like, so it's just, I, I don't know. So it doesn't sit well with me. I'm confused. Hopefully we're announcing a new thing, Jordan. I think you would see something probably in January.

No, not the banquet. The too fresh off the championship, you know, they still are, they don't know what they're doing, Tommy. I mean, the banquets next week, they still are figuring this out. They're having meetings and everything ongoing. So we don't know what that format's going to be. It's going to probably be one of three things, but they haven't finalized what that's going to be. And there's a lot of other part of that, too, is like, is it the winning in? do you have certain, if you finish top 10 points, do you get locked?

Tie breakers. There's all these different things about it. Race manipulation. Who? Anyway. I will say, but like going back to that, you know, with, if I told you Hym has to beat Honeycutt or he has got to beat Riggs, Hymes pretty happy the way this worked out right. Have you seen the numbers?

I mean, have you looked at, I mean, and this is no disrespect to the other three finalists, And they deserve credit for getting there. But look at their numbers. Two of them haven't won a race this year. The other one is only got one win. Look at laps let, top five, top ten. It doesn't matter because that 98 truck... It'll be tuned up.

It'll be... It's... That's his best track. One of his best track. He's really good on those flat tracks, yeah. Out of everybody, the 11 team did not want the 98 in the playoffs. That's probably... Yeah, I was saying 98-34.

I was going to say it was probably in the list. You know, so they are, that 98 is going to be tough on Friday. I just think Haim is so good. Oh, he's, yeah. But he's going to, this is going to be his hard, obviously, though. The biggest thing for him is he just can't lose control of race. Yeah. Is you just, if you can qualify well and stay up front and not have a sequence where,

for whatever reason you get back in the pack and you're racing with all the squirrels, you're going to be okay. Jesus, Jordan. Let it fly. You're right. You're the damn writer. Before, before I, before, I did want to give a. shout out to Ancrum because Ancrum did a

really, really good job at the end of that race. He's done his good job all year. Really? What I'm saying, but he's on the outside kind of looking in or right on the cut of one in, one out, which by the way, that point deal was insane. It was three points. It was like four points from second to six. It was literally one.

I'm saying from second to six was three points. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was fun to watch. But Tyler was in front of us at every restart. He was really aggressive, three wide, did what he had to do, gained a bunch of spots at the end of the race to go from fifth or sixth and points to second or third maybe. But I thought I just want to give a shout to him because he's done a good job,

kind of under the radar. But at the end of that race, he executed every restart well and gained the points he had to get to get in. All right. Corey Hymn, Connor Zilich and Denny Hamlin will win the championship races, championship races and championship next week at Phoenix. Spot on, spot off. Spot off.

Spot off because I don't, I have Heim winning. I have Justin Allgaier in the Xfinity. series. And I and a wide open cup series finale, I'm going to go with Kyle Larson.

So spot off. I, I, I'm spot off as well. I, Hime, I think, has to win. Like,

I mean, it's just like, Zillich has to win. If they don't win, it's going to be, yes. It's the cup that's wide open. Yes.

I, but it's going to be anarchy. It's hard for me to bet against Allgaier at Phoenix. We've seen this before. And that's who I would, I would say, heme and when I say hym, I'm talking splitting hairs over Majeschi because

Majesky is so good there. Like, and he and Joe Shear knows what he's doing. Like, you know what I mean? If you know what I mean. If the 98 gets through tech on the first try, I'm taking the 98. But, you know, so I think it's going to be a tough battle there. But I'm going to give it to Corey just because I'm hoping he wins. I think Allgaier wins the

Excellinity Championship and I'm going to go Byron in Cup because I think that momentum's a big thing. He's been very good there the last few years. He's been the best non-Pensky car, I feel like, the last couple years. And he deserves it, honestly, for me. I mean, they all deserve it.

But, you know, he does everything the right way. The kid's such a good kid. And I am, you know, obviously, Danny deserves it. He's fucking run a hundred, 10,000. The storyline is Hamlin winning. I mean, I mean, the way that you know, he keeps saying how many races he has left, but to end this career of over 60 wins in a championship,

I mean, I think we're all hoping. Who you got every series? I'll be pissed if Hym and Zillig don't win. I think it's going to be closer, and we think with Hymn against Majeski, I think it's going to be really close between the 7 and the 88. I think that's going to be a really close race because they're housed in the same shop,

And the seven, you know, got a crew chief leaving, right? There's a little, you know, I know they love each other right now, but he's been a little busy doing other things, so there might be a little rusty stuff going on there. And I hope Hamlin, because he deserves it. I hope Hamlin wins a championship. Hit me with it. I'm going to go, Corey Hyman, the trucks.

I can't pick between Connor, Justin, and Carson Cawple. I can't. So you want to take Jesse Love? No. No, I just want it to be a J.R.M. Car. I don't care. But I do think, I think it's also just hard to pick between Connor and Justin because Justin's good there. But I mean, Connor's had an incredible year. And based on that, I feel like, rightfully. Let's just think how much better Conner's got, has gotten since last time they were there. Yeah. So who you got in cut?

I'm going to go William Byron. Tommy, how hard is it, you know, we talked about after Vegas, all your resources go to Phoenix. Now you've got two guys from each company, Hendrick and Gibbs. Here you have three guys in the final four. How does that get divvied up? Sim time. You know, I'm sure they all want to be on the Sim nonstop. You know, but now you've got three guys that got to prepare for the same race.

How does that work? The best case scenario, I feel, is don't change the routine. Whatever you've been doing. Whatever you've been doing, keep doing. Because whenever something changes, something happens. usually, right? So I would say they're just head down, build the cars the best that they can be built, let the drivers do what they normally do, and go with it, man. All right, well, let's get into some reaction theater where fans call in it and voice their opinions from this weekend's race.

Alex, do we get a good batch this week? There's a couple good ones in here. Toasters. I'm excited. No toasters. No toasters. Oh, thank you. Anyone calling me a babe, but actually talking about cars? Carson Hosevar? No, a lot more Carson Hosevar, baby. It's not Carson Hosevar this week.

Huscavarnah. No, it's Carson Hoop a lot. Oh, that was the casino or whatever. No, he spun out. He's three cautions. Hoop a lot. Oh, my God. Okay, so I just got done a lot from the truck race.

We interview the winner. Makes sense. Interview fifth that doesn't make the final four. All right. See the agony of feet. Makes sense. We interviewed third. We interview second.

But we're not going to interview Fourth, who just got in our tiebreaker, as probably the happiest man on the entire fucking property. Yeah, I saw a lot of pushback on this. They've called about Honeycutt, right? Megan, I said to Megan, I said, how was it? How was the postman? She's like, they didn't interview Honeycutt. Like, that's got to be the first person you'd go to interview it.

Yeah, but. Why, Jordan? Why do you think? I'm going to assume, and I don't know this, and I didn't even know they didn't interview him, to be honest, I would have assumed time constraints. Well, that, and you know what goes on during that. The PR person is like at that camera crew, like pushing for an interview, right?

Those guys run to those people. Like, you got to do this, you got to do this. And all of a sudden, you know, all this stuff happens. But I just think it was, you know, probably not a really good job of forcing. Forcing people over there. Forcing people over there. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

Did you interview? Yeah, I was in the interview. I saw all his interviews, like you guys were like the little media scrum thing. But yeah, I guess he never made it. television. And listen, and the kid, the kid deserves it. Absolutely. He's a great kid, great race car driver.

Great future. He got his ass bailed out of jail the other day. Then he started bailing other people out of jail. It was pretty good. That was a, God, that event. We're going to do that again next year, I hope, because what a shit show. How much did we raise? Oh, $250,000.

Awesome. Damn. Really cool. Sacco said, he was sitting there. He goes like this. He goes, across the only. He goes, I knew all I needed to do is get a couple beers in you, and I just had to sit back and let you guys do your thing.

I'm like, I didn't think about that. Tommy bled out. Tommy, France. I need your advice. NASCAR doesn't let Jeb get close to mayor after the race, but then calls Mayor to the hauler. Do they really think that their words are going to do as much as Jed's right fish? I mean, come on.

Let the boys settle it. So here's my interpretation of this, is there's certain protocols of where cars can go after the race. If you finish or your playoff driver, you go towards the end of pit road. Other drivers go towards the beginning of pit road. My understanding is, and I was right there as it happened, is Jeb was in his car trying to drive down pit road to turn one. NASCAR's not going to allow that. They have protocols in place. There's reasons for this.

I get that. So they made him stop. If Jeb would have gotten out of his car and walked down pit road, NASCAR is not going to do anything. We saw it last year in the truck series race with Taylor Gray. They let him walk down. They're cool with that. They don't mind confrontations. In a way, honestly, it's good for business.

So if Jeb would have gotten on his car and walked down there, fine. They were not going to let him drive down there, though, because that creates all sorts of other issues. That was up to Jeb at that point, whether he wanted to, and for whatever reason, Jeb decided not to. Yeah, I think if he walks down and they have a confrontation, they have a confrontation, right? I think it should be, Freddie's a hockey fan, right?

I think it should be the refs, the NASCAR security, should stand back, let just the two, if the crew members get involved, then you got to throw a bit. Let the two scuffle a little bit, create a little action, see what happens, and then don't break it up until they go to the ground. But this is, and I wrote this big thing on The Athletic this year about NASCAR security and how they handle these incidents. That is exactly kind of what it is. If drivers want to have a conversation, great, go for it. Or can it keep everybody back, and go back to Taylor Gray last year at Marnsville.

You can see the video. NASCAR security was literally telling guys and pushing people out of the way. It's just between these guys. And then when they have a confrontation, as it was explained to me, they each get one move. Now, if that moves a shove or a grab or whatever, that's fine. You get one move. You decide what it is. But then it's over.

And so, I mean, it's almost like you wish they would have just said, hey, we'll meet you at the finish line, right? Let's just put a spotlight in the start finish line and meet there. And then we can have a showdown and made it a lot easier. Maybe Jail and Bell next year will have a boxing ring. There you go. Yeah. We'll throw... Can I be the officiant of the boxing ring?

We just put them in those big sumo suits. Let him fucking run each other. Yeah, maybe we'll do that and... I love it. And do some... Raise some money. That's you go. Tommy, get your ass off the couch and get to working out.

You're changing tires next week. We're out of fucking people. Yeah, I know. Fuck. He ain't wrong. He ain't wrong. How many this year? Nine.

It's really been nine. Like, you weren't kidding. Oh, we're on it. Nine. Yeah, nine. How do you have nine? I don't know. Talk to Joe Gibbs.

That's where the picker yourself from But you were like You alluded to this earlier in the year Like you got people taken from you guys too at times For whatever you know Replacement on other stuff But these are our guys Those are your guys this week

There's no There's no There's no Nine No Oh boy All right kids Let's sing it together

If you're happy Joe we've out Then clapped her hands If you're happy Joe We's out Then clap your hand If that voice makes you sick. If you hate annoying,

if you're happy Joe, without and clapped her hands. I mean, if you're paying attention, you know he's going to be out this year, right? I mean, it's an odd number of year. Yeah. You know, he doesn't make it until the even number of years. Yeah, he's going to win the championship next year.

Well, it's going to be harder next year. Yeah, he knows the format. Do we have any insight on the format? Do you think it's still 3, 3, 3?4? I mean, I think it's this format that we know it is, let's just say, it's going to be gone. And it's going to be one of three things. Now what that likelihood is, it's still figuring out.

It's either going to be a season long. It's either going to be the old 10 race chase where, you know, the duration of 10 races are the 3-3-4. What it's going to end up being, it kind of depends. So it's still, like there's still, give the people hope. Is there still hope for a 36 race? I will say this. If you want a season-long points championship, you do not want to see Coreyheim or Conner's Illich win this weekend. Because I'm saying, like, if they lose,

and people are going to go irate. And you know, you know. Deservedly so. Not, don't disagree. I get it. Are any of the four cup drivers, would they be leading the normal points?

Bell, I think is. I mean that are in top four? I can look. Yeah, I think that the thing that I, the one thing I always gets shared that's, I hate.

Not an old NASCAR system. I'm talking about the new. Oh, no, yeah. I think it was still Bell was leading that. After, I don't know about after yesterday. It was him and Briscoe were really tight. So Briscoe,

I think Briscoe would, I think Briscoe would be the high. highest of the four that are in. But yeah, it was, which, by the way, if you share that, I don't care about that stupid fucking graphic. We don't race that way. Thank you.

Like, we don't race that way. What are you talking about? They share a graphic of the old school NASCAR Winston Cup. And I get it. It's a fun thing to share, but we would all race very differently. I was all messed up when I'd seen that. I'm like, we would all race very differently.

if that was the format. You know, so... But we're going to race differently with the new formats. Yeah, you race to the format. Here are guys throughout the year, literally, who have wins. And what they care about is playoff points. So they're chasing stage wins. They give up finishing position to chase wins.

Go back to Michigan this year, where William Byron ran his tank as long as he could at the last end because he knew he was in the playoffs, he was going for the win. So to sit there and say, well, this is how it would be. It's so different. And especially on road courses when you have to flip strategy and stuff. And so I have it right here. If you go back to the non-playoff standings after this race,

William Byron is leading by 11 points over Kyle Larson, who's in second, and then Christopher Bell is minus 25. Ryan Blaney is minus 62. So you have two out of the four that are in the champion. That's not bad. Denny Hamlin would be the lowest out of the four. He also missed a race, by the way. It would be in seventh.

So, again, to your point, though. He would never miss a race. That's the other thing about this, too, that people, Like, how is that going to work? Because in the old system, you almost effectively force drivers who race hurt. You can't do that anymore. And guys would hide injuries. And so how do you create a waiver system to miss a race when every race counts for the championship?

These are the things that people don't think about when they sit there and advocate. Well, we want it back in the old day. Richard Petty Race with a broken neck. We can't do that anymore. And that's why we have you on today. Just say these things. I agree with you, Freddie. Thank you.

All right, last call. Jingle bells, Denny smells But Freddy thinks he's great 51 lost the wheel And watch the roll away Hey, jingle bells Denny smells but Freddy thinks he's great He's not going to win next week

It's Byron all the way Toyota had engines blow Ending Denny's day To the groggy goats Crying all the way Wham, Wack, Wack, Wack, Rick Where's Pitru Stinks Tommy liked to fight

his face is red the pastecores pink just get those lug nuts die there's only one nut Merry Christmas everybody That's pretty good What time was that? Late I think it was around like 1 a.m. 1 a.m.

So we had six hours to make that. That's pretty good. And how many beers you think? He's a pretty sober. No, bullshit. I am going to I am going to call this person out now because he told me a couple weeks ago

he's going to give us a song and I haven't heard him a couple weeks but Tyler Tyler Reddick? No, our famed rapper, hip hop artist I want one after Phoenix Like just give me a year-end recap Of, of, in your best

In your best rap that you always do for us I want one a year at least I'm holding you accountable now One a year, that was pretty good But like when I tell you Tommy When you hear this kid next week If he does this next week It's unbelievable what he can put together

In a few hours Speaking of Tyler's, thank God Tyler Redick shaped his hair. Holyoia. Thank God. He walked in Friday or Saturday whenever I saw him and I was like, thank. Megan told him about a month ago. She's like, you know why you haven't won a race this year, right? She's like, you look like an idiot.

Like that's the problem. And finally, finally just. And he had a decent race. Everything is good with the baby? I think so. I think a rookie went home this week. So good for them. That's, I mean, obviously a little scare there.

But I can't imagine what it's like. This was going on. I mean, it's been going out for months, but I know Kansas is around what time when it got really tough. And like how he can get in the race car and focus and do his job. And it's incredible that he was doing it.

But yeah, shout out to him and Alexa. Thank God, Rookie's home. And Bo did a great job on a haircut. Yeah. All right. To leave an audio message 24-7. You can call our number at 704-802-9572. Freddie's friend, please call with his song.

Don't want to have to listen to him next week. I'll be upset with you if you don't. All right. Ask DBC. Fans can send in their questions on X each week using hashtag AskDBC. Jordan, this one's for you. What do you think the number one thing NASCAR can do for next season is to help increase driver star power? I mean, how much time do we have?

Did you add it is in there? The sentence is not grammatically correct. She's speaking to let her language on yourself yesterday. Hold on. You guys are pissing me. All right. Okay. All right.

Start over. I'm lovely. What are you talking about? This sentence was not grammatically correct. so I thought it needed an is somewhere. Did I put it in the right spot? I don't even know what you said. I know because you don't ever fucking listen when I talk.

It's like hanging out with my parents. Two uncles I never asked for. If you would throw a pie at him and I'd start calling you mom. Anty. All right, Jordan. All right, yeah. Listen, there's a lot. What do you think is the number one thing?

What do you think is the number one thing? What can they do to help increase driver star power? I mean, I'm going to split hair. There's two things that come to immediate minds. I'm going to say one really quick. One, you've got to get more races on network TV. That's just the way it is. The ratings between cable and network is dramatically different.

The idea is to get the sport in front of people, put it on network. Now, that's easier said than done because of complications. And I get that. The other thing that comes to mind, and this is a pie in the sky, very unlikely, and this is really hard, and they sponsor-driven sport, is let the drivers be themselves. Yeah. They are so afraid to speak their minds.

And what really now the issue is, is there are so many primary sponsors on cars. and so it's really hard. And for an example, I don't want to give the team away. I was talking to them about this. Like, hey, we've got a... You can do that. No.

No, but they were like, they have one sponsor who's their main sponsor and he's like, we want our driver to be out there and vocal and we're cool with him doing whatever. The problem is they have other primary sponsors who are on the car a lot and they're not.

Right. And so how do you balance that? How can you be outspoken and say things that are your mind and be personalities? If you look at other sports and what's helped elevate them up is people are captivated by personalities

and the drivers are so, afraid and they can't to be themselves. We had probably one of the best shows we ever had last week, numbers-wise, because of Jimmy Spencer. Because of the fact that he, Jimmy was not the most talented race car driver. He didn't win the most races. But he is the guy that is willing to say whatever the fuck pops into his mind in that moment.

And I think, and he talked about it last week. You know, these guys are kind of cookie cutter. They're, they're, they're not willing to put themselves out there, whether or not it's a sponsor-related thing. but it's, I don't know how we get to that point. I don't either. Because, you know, can anymore. And that's the problem. And it's not the drivers.

It's a common. There are some of the drivers are just not captivating, but it is also part of, but we've seen other sports. Like F1, drivers can be themselves a little bit and they can have a little bit more personality. Other sports can have bigger life-sized personalities that speak out on things or share an opinion or whatever that is. Over here, it's much more restrictive. Yeah.

And it's, it's, we've talked. about this when Ford was here. Like Chase Elliott's going to win most popular the driver. I would assume again for the 50th year in a row. I think it's going to be close this year with Blaney. It should be. To me, Blaney and Larson are the most popular drivers in our sport. They're the ones.

Blaney's got the most personality, I think, of just about anybody in the garage. Larson does more for the sport than anybody. If you look at a dirt race, he stands there. I've been there numerous times at a high-limit race where there's a line of 100 people, and Kyle will go down that line and sign every autograph. And you just don't see that in today's world with our drivers. Shit shows what kind of... Tommy, I saw you were involved in a shit show almost quite literally this weekend.

Locking Noah in a... No, it wasn't Noah. I was trying to let Todd out. You locked Todd in it. I didn't. No. I was trying to... I want to know what that conversation was right there

because I can imagine you probably just wanted to punch him in a face at this moment. I did. And he looked at me, he goes, give me one more minute. And he had this sheepest grin on him like, All right, because I went over there I'm like, get out of the way And I was just going to cut it with it Did he zip tie him in there?

Yeah, he zip tied him Then he's acting like something's wrong, right? Poor Todd This was insane We're watching, I think Brock Feeney's qualifying lap From Surface Paradise Which, what the fuck are these guys doing, Jordan? Same.

Did you see some crashes from this weekend too? These guys were a lot of arguing, a lot of fighting too I'm great racing. Supercars is fantastic right now. Great racing. Look at him guys. They look like, they don't even, They look like motocross.

Talk about track limits. We talk about track limits in NASCAR. These guys said to fuck track limits. We're going this way. I'm just going to jump four wheels over this curb and let it ride. This is crazy. Did you guys see the F1 corner workers that walked out on the racetrack? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I did see a clip this morning. There was like debris across and like the grass area across from where they were. And they were still under green, I guess. And when they were coming back across with the pieces of shit in their hands, the cars were coming back around the corner. the one guy about got smoked. Full blown panic mode. Yeah.

So I think and Jeb and Sam after the race has to be on there which is probably going to win which is just unacceptable. So I think it's Mayor and Jeb. I think it's Feeney's

qualifying lap or just that race in general whatever you want to call it. Tommy getting Noah, I mean Todd out of the shitter, literally shit show. And then the corner workers from F1. Don't know.

Send you this video. I'm glad that we didn't have any modified shit show this. Modified race is pretty clean this week. I know we're not supposed to talk about it, but we're going to anyway. No, that's why you guys started the winner's segment so you guys could talk about modifides for a little bit.

It's okay. I got a lot of stuff on here. It's all right. If you win a race, we'll talk about you. Just win one. I might run Milbridge next week. Whose Hill's Little Burry? What was that?

When he flipped off the fans? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So those four. It was good. All right. Do you have any shit shows that you saw, Georgia? You got any? No.

I mean, you could say host of ours spun three times in the Cup Series race. What did you call them? Hoop a lot? Hoop a lot. Hoop a lot. I thought the, we called the car spin, you go, you go, that's it. You park it.

That was the chili bowl rule. They do that in Derbyz. Yeah. Two spin rule. Some team lost a wheel for the ninth time this year. Yeah. Yeah, that's a shit show. Let's put that on.

Honorable mention. Do you get fined for losing wheels? No. Thank God. Yeah, it would have been an expensive year for you, Tommy. Rick would have lost all that legacy money. Just in wheel fines. Do you think maybe your guy just wanted a weekend off?

Early start? He's off of a Daytona, too, right? Is that how that works? That's not fun. Yeah, two races, right? It just doesn't, you just don't screw up the last race and go, ah, bullshit, I did it last year. You got thrown out, yeah.

Allegedly Allegedly Freddie gets a suspension announcement at the same time he's booking a trip to Cobbo Yeah They call me They're like hey

I don't think we're gonna appeal this Is it okay? And I was like Yes That'll be because what was going to happen Was if we appealed I was going to fly to Phoenix While the appeal was going on

And then if we lost I was just in Phoenix for no fucking reason So I was like They're like I think we're going to skip the peeling I was like good idea I'm going to go

I'm going to go to the North South shootout This week thanks It's already halfway to the islands All right, well, remember to go vote on our shit show Hall of Fame on Dirtymo Media's Twitter And even better news I kicked y'all's ass this week at DBC picks

She's locked in, Freddie I'm safe from, I must announce I'm officially safe from having to buy dinner It's against Freddie and I It's Freddie and Tommy that are going to, I mean, the guests obviously are going to win the whole thing But I don't have to buy dinner out of the three of us So am I getting a dinner out of this? That's all I care of them.

You come to there? Yeah, we got to bring all the guests. All the guests. We have, it's going to be a 75 person dinner. Could you imagine, just think about that for a minute. Could you imagine that table of all the guests that we've had this year? Just a table of us having dinner and how that conversation might would be.

Put that on flow. We'd have Spencer, uh, the... Spencer has to sit at the head of the table. Spencer, yeah, he'd run the show. Who picks first? Um, you do. I do. Yep.

Who do? Oh, fucking Bubba. Useless fuck. Dude, you could have really done some insider trading there and help yourself out. They don't even... They're not... I don't know. I might not include them.

Alex said, go fuck yourself on that. I don't know who I picked last week. I don't know who you picked either. You picked Chase Elliott. He finished third. You guys had first, second, and third, and then 18th. I didn't pick Preach. Allegedly.

You had Chase Elliot. Who the hell do we got this week? We're going to Phoenix, right? Yep. Did I pick all of the top... I will take... If I did not pick him already... God, he's supposed to...

Pick them. I'm not picking them. Pick them. I'm not picking them because I'm not jinxing them. That's why I don't pick them to win. Who? I'll take Chase Briscoe. Tommy.

Guess is second, right? No, you're second. Might I finish third. You finished third. Guess finished second. Holy shit. All right. I'll pick Byron.

Jordan, you're up. Can I go Larson? Does that work? No, he's already been picked. Oh, so the guys are how... The guys are gray out are the ones that's been picked right now. Well... Oh, man.

I'm going to go Chastain. All right. I'm going to go Larson because that's the only one in the final four that's available on my sheet. I've got to have no choice. I got to make sure the rules are correct. So even if we don't win, whoever beats who, right? You want to make that deal? That's the deal.

So we need to be. We could fucking split at dinner. I mean, God damn. No, no, no. So, all right. So whoever finishes lower, if we don't win, whoever finishes lower has to buy dinner? Well, if one of us win, you would finish lower. So, yeah.

Same thing. But I'm saying, like, if Carson wins of our two picks. Whoever had the lowest finish. You thought NASCAR's playoff format was confusing. Yeah, no shit. Jeez. It's the best finish of the round, right? This is the championship round, right?

We're going to go NASCAR rules here. NASCAR rules. Are we in or what? Is your wheel going to fall off the way to dinner, Tommy? I texted him last night. Tommy, I'll drive you to dinner. We're heading to the bar. I said, I said, I'm a 745 ETA.

He turns back like 805. I said, just keep the wheels on it, please. I don't care what time you get there. I said, just please keep the wheels on it, please. I do have to give a shout out to J.P. and Courtney from Martinsville, JP, JP, J.B. Nolan is the elevator operator. He needs to be the official elevator operator for every track. Every race track.

And Courtney, thank you for toting us around yesterday morning, getting us to our Lionel appearance, which was a lot of fun. Shout out to the people from Lionel for having us up there. And we had a bunch of fun up there. Carson, I'm saying, I don't know why. You got no clothes and no... I don't know why you didn't show up. I haven't getting this shit into the stick lately around here.

I will say JP's been wanting to go to Victory Lane for a long time. He was in Victory Lane last night with... I think B-Lines took him down there for Williams. So shout out to those guys. They take good care of us over there at Martinsville. Weekend winners. Weekend winners. Carson, you got any of you want to start with?

Not modified? Not, well, yeah. I got a DM over the weekend. We're going to give a shout out to Dylan's sale. He won the New Smyrna. Speedway 2025 E-Mod Rookie of the Year.

Congratulations, Dylan. But he didn't win the race. This is probably season-long format. They said love the show. You're my favorite. I hate the other two.

Also in the end of the message. I get the same message from that guy. Really? Yeah. Small world. That's crazy. Fuck you, Freddie. William Byron, Taylor Gray,

Corey. Koryheim win the big races. Tommy, what do you got? Bonsignor, winning Martinsville. Shout out to Austin Beers, winning the championship, youngest. Champion ever. NASCAR modified champion.

The priest was the youngest before that. Let's see, the kid Alex. Yankowski. He won in Stewart's car yesterday, right? Yeah, Easton States 200. Who, that other guy had won the Eastern 100. Peregno? Paragon?

Oh, yeah, Pereggia. I think it's Anthony. Anthony Parishman. Matt Hirschman won at Hurston Streetway. presented by Seacconc. Yeah, he won the Tri-Track. Shout out to John McKinney for winning the Monaco Championship.

Great series at Tri-Track Series. So, yeah, a lot of winners. Jake Garcia won the World Crown. 300. Is that Cordial now? Shout out to the Haunted 100. Did you see this race at Seacong? Haunted, 100 lap, late model race.

24 minutes. Green to checker. That's the way it's supposed to happen. Shout out to Scott. Apley. Eric Sands won the race. Raphael Lassard won the ACT Championship. Oh, Landon Huffman won the Tri-County.

He backed into a championship? That must have been a season long thing because he wasn't going to win any races. Control room. I know you got some, Evan, you watch any weird shit this week? I mean, you probably watched a lot of weird shit. That's a very loaded question. Weird shit. I guarantee you watch a lot of weird shit.

I wish it's in a better place. That means we're doing a good job. Yeah, I had nothing to complain about it. Yeah, he doesn't have to interject and yell at us. He's probably still worn out from editing that show last week. How many F-bombs with last week? It wasn't that. It was a son of a bitch.

Like 30 son of a bitches. I have never gotten, I have never been told any of the shows I've been on at Dirty Mill. I've never been told, hey, can you not do this or can you do this? Today, for the first time ever, they're like, hey, can you not maybe swear so much? Today? Yeah. Fuck that. Yeah.

Wait. Who told you that? I want to give a shout out. I just said, don't say son of a bitch because my ears can't hear. Oh, all right. All right. Fair, fair, fair.

I do have to give a shout out to Austin Dillon for the Carolina Cowboys won the team PBR championship this weekend. So I know he's, every time I run into him, we never talk racing. We talk bulls and rodeos. So I know he's, it's near and near to his heart. So shout out to him that. Tom, we would go on racing. Luke's running a truck for Thor's sport.

66 flex F-150 this weekend, yeah. You said that was very professional. I love you. You're pretty sharp for 59, Tommy, today. Oh, yeah, man. We're done modified racing for a little while. North South. South.

South a couple weeks. Where's that at? Carraway. Luke's going to be driving for Jimmy Blewett. God bless him. I'll be there, apparently. I didn't realize. You spot for one of them.

I thought you said he's never spotting for them over again. I'm not spot for Luke. I've retired. Oh, okay. Jack? Well, it's not our car, so technically we might be able to win that one. So yeah, Luke and James are going to run for Jimmy.

Jack will drive for me, yeah. And Jack, oh, Jack's going to run. She got to run. I'm not spot for Jack. Mom got wind that she's like, is Jack racing? And I'm like, she's like, Jack's racing. I'm like, well, Jack's racing. Okay, Jack's racing.

All right. Carson, any, what are you, Millbridge? What we do? Nope. Well, I might run Millbridge next week. I'm thinking about it in a micro, but then why it's, I'm looking forward to why it's running the fall brawl at Hickory next weekend. So I'm excited for that.

Limited. Who's he driving for? Who's he driving for? Who do you think? I would imagine here. I didn't know. I didn't know. Feet you guys have a limit.

He's renting a ride. No, yeah. It's a J.R.M. Yeah. Shanna, I've seen Lee and Butterbean in the casino the other night after the modified race just to, Lee's maybe one of my favorite people in the sports. The best ever.

Jordan, anything good? What we got going to us? Do you're going to Phoenix? You're going to Phoenix? Tomorrow, right? Tomorrow? You're going for a week? I leave on Wednesday. Wednesday to Wednesday?

that the NASCAR banquet two days after the year? Which I think is so stupid. Jesus. To have the banquet two days afterwards out like across the United States. Why? I just had to say that. Because I feel like it's a logistical nightmare for everybody. It's got to be a little challenging because you don't know if you got to go.

You got to bring all your shit because you don't know if you're going to win or not. And they're limiting how many people are, you know, like they're not bringing all of the drivers there this year. So it's much more scaled out. Do we know what is it probably the final four guys? I think it's the final four. It's not all the playoff drivers before they make an appearance. Let's get it back to the Waldorf. That'd be nice.

Let's make it so... I want it in Miami again. You may see that next year. Well, then I'm down for a beat. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no scoop. No, no, no, no scoop. It would make sense, though, as they're doing this, if they're going to...

Then I'll be a fan of it being two days after. Just depends where it is. I'm forewarning everybody in this room, including that control room. We're doing the final show next year from the Keys. So, I don't know, like, I'm going to... I'm going to Key List. No, I'm not coming home from Miami. I'm on the way here today.

I was having a conversation with somebody. Davis, pack you shit. No, he's not invited. Just Alex and Evan. Dalton's coming. We're all going to the keys. You guys, I don't care how long you stay. I'm saying all week.

We can do whatever about when we are. We are not flying back here for this show. You get a sports court you can wear. Tommy Bahamas. But what shit do you use on Sundays? How do you get on all this shit? We can just use all your cameras and stuff, right? Yeah, we have plenty here.

I promise you. We should just go live on Facebook on somebody's phone. Just no other angles, just straight up. Just one camera, we all just jump in the screen. When we got to say something. We'll do it at 2.2 a.m. That's a really bad idea. I promise you. Anyway, thank you

guys for listening to Jordan. Thank you again for always being available whenever we need somebody to fill in. This is going to be your new slot until you give it up because this was Jeff slot. He gave it up. He wants to do Daytona. He wanted to do Daytona. After Daytona, he was in town for the, I think,

hearings or something. Yeah, logistics. You guys want to bring that a lawsuit at all? Yeah, what went on this week? I don't know. Friday, you tell me? I don't know. I'm hoping I have a job. I mean, the Cliff Notes version, it's still ongoing. They're still speeding towards a trial. December 1st. Could a settlement happen? Yes.

We'll see if it does or not. They had settlement talks last week. There was some encouraging stuff from it, some discouraging stuff from it. We'll see what happens. I got to get to plan on my tailgate. Tailgate. What did I say it was? December 1 December 1st. We're tailgate in the trial. We're going to tellgate. We're going to do a live show right after that. No, you're going to be at the tailgate.

You're coming to the tailgate. We don't have to go inside. Absolutely not. What if we... I remember when you used to be fun. Why would you not want to do that, Tommy? It sounds great. No need.

We're going to do a live show for the parking lot. That's going to be our Christmas episode. With the cool of a beer. Live from the parking lot of the court. You can wear a sports coat. Yeah. Tommy's sports coat. You can't ever wear that sport code again because it's bled through the corner of it.

Anyway, all right. We're out of here. Thank you. guys I saw a bunch of modified fans this week. A lot of BBC fans all weekend. Again, shout out to Lionel for having us up in the suite. Jordan, thank you and Jordan. I mean, you and Jeff are warming the crowd up for us before we got there.

Great people. And we will be back next week. That's it. Next week's the last one. Next week, well, yeah, we'll have one offseason one. We haven't determined when or where. But yeah, I don't know whose guest next week. We had somebody lined up and Carson told him not to come on.

So. But anyway, we'll see you guys next. week we're out bye peace out check out dirty moe media Twitter Facebook TikTok and Instagram