Door Bumper Clear - Leigh Diffey & Charlotte: The Hail Roval

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Leigh Diffey joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge this week to break down a wild weekend at the Charlotte ROVAL – and yes, that “Hail Roval” move from Ross Chastain on Denny Hamlin is on the menu. The gang covers it all: Austin Hill missing the next round by the exact number of points he lost to suspension, tire wear flipping strategy on its head, chaos in the Truck race & much more.Plus, they discuss Kyle Busch's crew chief change, Sammy Smith's incredibly timed pit stop that advanced him to the next round, and Roger Penske's claim that the Next Gen car has made the racing better (the spotters have thoughts). And later, Leigh Diffey shares his most memorable call in the booth, and gives his advice for aspiring broadcasters. Plus, Reaction Theatre, #AskDBC, and more!This is the badge. You in or not? Dirty Mo merch, link belowhttps://shop.dirtymomedia.com/Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with. Let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. Right enough, you love them. What's up everybody?

Welcome to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Craft. Spotter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson, Gio Ruggiero this week. Full week of climbing up to the top of that Ford grandstand, Tommy. As an 85-year-old man, how was it getting up there? I was worried about you. I was fine. I was worried about you.

Yeah. You were puffing and puffing, man. Yeah, I'm fat, Tom. I don't know if you've noticed. I was fine. Anyway, Carson. Hold on the third time my leg stopped. cramping. I was good.

That was good. Yeah, once like by Sunday you were, you were worn out, worked it in. Carson, how are you today? I'm good. I'm good. Fresh off of Cars Tour weekend. It was good to get back. How was your cars tour weekend? It was chaotic. I was worried because I was watching the Riverhead race and I got up, I started getting a bunch of tweets about crashes and.

It really wasn't even the most on-track mess that we've had this year. It was just, we were in charge of the whole event. Like, we rented the track. So from front gate to back gate, it was all us. So I was, um, multiple people said they just saw a pink blob, fly. back and forth past them all day and that was that was me

and I just realized last week you had that pink in there so like the pink hair yeah I'm wearing a pink shirt

was a pink polo in October yeah well joining us this week our very very special guest Lee Diffy

how are you sir too too many varies well I was trying to key up Andrew Andrew Andrew prepared something for you

and I don't know what the hell happened back there we were trying to welcome you to the show and Andrew is just we don't have

the rights to play. We don't have the rights to play it. What was it going to be? Where God save the queen? We could have probably played five seconds of it, Andrew. I don't think they get upset about it. But Lee, how are you, sir? Welcome to Door and McLear. Welcome back. I should say the door of McLeary. Well, it's good. It's quite this is normal for you guys, but it's quite surreal for me. Because when you see

something so often on social media and then the next minute you're in that place, it's quite surreal. I don't know. I don't know. often wear a hat, but I wear it for you just to fit in on the show. No sponsor. I really, I, he's not a fan of anybody, just a black hat. I really wanted to be an asshole yesterday. Lee's like, I'm good with casual right now. I should have been like, no, you have to wear a suit.

You have to wear a suit to the show. The only other person that's ever worn a suit to this is Jordan. Bianchi, Bianchi wears a suit everywhere. Most of it. I think he goes to bed in a suit if I had to guess. He shops at goodwill sometimes. One thing I want to ask you about Lee, because we don't have your perspective a lot on the show. Take me through a week, because a lot of times we get asked, Tommy does, you know,

preparations for each race, spotter-wise, preparation for each. What's a week of prep look like for you or even starting the season for you? Well, starting the season, obviously, I'm playing catch-up because we do the last 14 races. So, and then during the course of a normal year, I'm doing other sports. So I have to keep, I have to focus on what I'm working on, but also keep an eye on what's happening in the Cup series. And then, so that's the casual way preparing and then when it gets closer then then I go into almost like when you're at school like cram cramming and um and especially last year when I came off the Olympics and then I just had like 10 days to get ready that was that was pretty full on but keeping I would say keeping in touch with

the stories you know in the first part and then you get into your rhythm and now that I'm in this for 14 straight weeks I don't have to necessarily think about anything else so I can just be fully immersed in in NASCAR which is really nice it's uh it's it's watching a lot of tape. I've always been a huge fan of that. So I take a lot in by watching. You've got all your traditional stuff like press releases, what's in the media, social media. And then the more people I get to know in the sport, then you can do direct. So it's texts or it's phone conversations. It's in person. As you know, now the entire sport is supported by racing insights, not just television now. Those guys are invaluable with the stuff that they do. So it kind of all goes into the pot.

I listen to a lot of the interviews, not only that you guys do, but on Sirius XM and just it's kind of like whatever you can get your hands on, put it all in the pot whenever it comes out, you know, use it appropriately. You mentioned the Olympics. I can't, what is that like to prepare for? Because, I mean, you're talking about, I would assume, hundreds of athletes that you're calling races or events for. I mean, how much do you have to get immersed in that?

I mean, it's got to be insane. It's kind of like, you know, you've got this bottle of water, but you only use a mouth. You know, like you've, but you've got to, you've got to carry that around with you the whole time and read it all and try and absorb it. And sometimes a lot of it, you know, to use like an old movie term or whatever, a lot of it ends up on the cutting room floor. You don't use it, but you have to, you have to read it and watch it, learn it. And then not always do you use it. I know we were talking at Loudoun. We were talking about coming on here, but then we talked about it. Loudon was one of the races. You said this may be the last track on the schedule that you hadn't already been to. The one thing I want to, I will not ask you what's your favorite racetrack because I feel like that's such a loaded. question but along the way what are some of the tracks that have stood out to you like that you've seen for the first time i remember darlington i think last year was one that you mentioned like this is place like like oh this is just so historic track but along the way what what tracks have stood out to you i think the i think the first time that i went to talladega which was only last year that was pretty wild got their first thing in the morning and just walked out onto pit road by myself and just taking the

enormity of it all that was pretty special i'd been to talladega but across the road to the dirt track years ago but never been to talladega so that was pretty cool really like that the older tracks, Martinsville, was pretty neat. You know, just the way that they're just set into that local surroundings, Bristol. It's pretty amazing. So, been lucky to go to a lot of tracks around the world, but to be learning these historic NASCAR tracks is really neat. Yeah, this week we were, I don't even know, what hell are we, Charlotte?

Tommy, how was your day yesterday? You want to talk about it? Yeah, I mean, you know, we were on a little bit, we were trying to strategize for a late caution, and it bit us in the ass, to be honest with you. We were trying to save, we had an extra set of tires on the guys that we felt during the course of the day, who we were racing. And we waited, and we waited too long. And we got lap, but everybody that we were racing also got lapsed.

So if a caution did come out, I think we would have been better shape. but we probably lost one, maybe two spots by doing it. You know, we ended up having another loose wheel again, and I kind of, I think it didn't fall off, but I think it kind of hurt Cody's thought process of what was going on in the last run after the last set of tires were put on. But, yeah, it's probably the, I was thinking about it this morning.

It's probably the first time our strategy over in about two years didn't work, you know, in something. I'm like, well, I know Rick's probably not happy today because, you know, we took a gamble, but, you know, you win something, you lose some. And, I mean, we're going to get in a strategy and spot on, spot off, but a lot of people don't realize, like, you identify a group of cards that you're racing. And you're not winning the race. Right. You know what I mean?

But you can identify, I can beat these five guys and run 25th or whatever it is. And, like, how much, like, do you have, that's what you do all day. Yeah. Like, you're just trying to beat those five guys. Exactly. Exactly. We were between 32nd and 28th, you know, dependent on everybody else. a strategy that we were, we were racing. And, you know, some of those guys didn't pit the first

stage to save a set of tires. And then they pit the second stage. And we were almost, there was a couple of guys that were one set of tires short than us. We knew that. But we went longer on purpose, on the third stage, each time just to hope for a caution late in the race and have a set of stickers versus them not having any because they already pitted or they only had their qualifying tires. So, yeah, it was just a gamble. We lost yesterday, unfortunately, on it. Way to go.

Yeah, thanks. You fucked the hole race. I know. I don't understand what you're doing. For us, pretty ho-hum day. We kind of qualified 12th. We didn't pit, we didn't split that first stage like a lot of guys did. So we gave up some track position there.

But we banked the set of tires kind of the same thing. So that we just kind of, you know, put tires on, drove back up in there. and then we were running, I think, 11th or 12th at the end of the race, and they were like, Bub, are you going to bleed? Like, six to go. They're like, you going to bleed more spots, or do you think you can hang on? He's like, no, I think I'm going to bleed. So then we ended up pitting there, and instead of finishing,

we probably would have bled to 14th. He was able to drive back to 15th. So it was, you know, kind of a wash there. But it was such a crazy race. It was. It was a lot of good stuff happening and a lot of thought process. Again, I can't remember the last, the other race we said it was probably the most, thought out, thoughtful for a crew chief what needed to be, you know, strategy-wise,

but I think this one matched it. Lee, had to play out on television for you guys. I mean, there's a lot of shit going on yesterday once. It was awesome. It was crazy. And if you go back and watch, the amount of times that we had three boxes on the screen simply through necessity, just to show everything that was happening. And even at the end, you know, typically the winner gets this big build-up and this big moment.

But it was like, SVGs win. one. But now look at this over here. There's still stuff going on. And two cars coming across the line in reverse. It was like, and I know, like,

for the races I go back and watch, I'm sure Steve was, like, Steve is one of the best. And he can usually paint the picture before it even happens. He's going to tell you what's getting ready to happen. Yep.

And he said before the race even started, and then he said it during the broadcast, he's like, this is when I'm happy that I'm no longer on top of the box. Yeah. And I'm completely happy. You know, you were in the midst of it. And those races are brutal.

Thomas, last week you pissed the whole fan base off. Do you want to say sorry? I mean, you called the whole fan base keyboard warriors. Not the whole fan. Well, you used the keyboard warriors. There was a lot of comments last week. They were very upset with you. I'm sorry.

Wait a minute. Can we roll that back? Tommy Baldwin just said he was sorry. He basically said, I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about. Fair, fair. Xfinity race, Zillich wins, weird. I told Tommy the story.

I'm not paying attention. Dean blows the bus stop. And I see a fan. We're into the grandstands at the Roval now. So I see a fan, what I think is a fan just down there like looking up, like trying to get my attention. And I was like, was it Tommy's child? No. No, Tommy's child ought to punch in the face.

But I said, I'm like, I'm so frustrated at the moment. I don't even want to look down. Like I'm in a bad mood at this point. And I'm like, I'm not looking. And the guy's not stopping. Then I'm like, son of a bitch. So I'm like, all right. Hey, I look through.

I go to wave at him. Jim Zillich. Connor's dad. I was like, hey, Jim. You asshole. I was, I'm sorry. I apologize. For once Freddie was trying to stay focused.

One time of my life, I was trying to do my job. But Connor pretty much, I mean, as expected, kind of wins that race going away. The truck race, though, was a little more exciting. Like, poor cruisy, your boy cruisy. had it, man. He had it. It was unfortunate. It's just it's time time every weekend. I don't know what else to say. It's high time every week. Well, I thought he was, I thought Hintime ended on the first lap and somehow he still took a battered race truck and drove back to the front. And that just, and that just goes to show you how confident the whole team is, right? They didn't panic, right?

And they proved once again probably why they hopefully, hopefully they should win the championship. You know, the biggest thing I take, I took away the other day when I, I was looking at the points, not only has that team dominated, but they've dominated all the points that the other seven guys are so close. Also, if you notice, a lot of the guys that probably that he would be racing for the championship very hard or out. Yeah, they're out. So not only he's dominated all the year, he's also taken some serious contenders a chance for them to be out that it's going to make his chances higher to win this. championship at Phoenix. So yeah, I mean, it's just, he's just dominating everything right now.

I mean, the eighth place guy's what? Minus four. Yeah, they four out. Talk about, talking about points, like how hard is it for you guys in the, because I know the last couple laps, you know, it's going one way or the other. How hard is for you guys to not only paint that picture, I shouldn't say, but like it's, it's ever changing. Like as a pass happens, the whole points is getting a shuffle. It was, it's, it's in selfishly for out. purposes, it's a really good tool to build the drama. And it's not even building the drama. It's real. Like it was happening in the way that it was fluctuating. And then we're saying every pass, every position counts. But to go back to your point, Tommy, about the season, the in-season

points, the greatest example of that yesterday or at the moment was Chase Briscoe. And James Smalley's crew chief told me on the weekend, you know, we didn't have the best first half of the season. And we lost out on a lot of points. And so now on the back half of the season, when it really counts, do enough accumulation. So all those guys, like the first five races of the playoffs, there was no better scoring driver than Chase Brisco, but yet he was in a precarious position because of what had happened earlier in the season. So I think, who knows what the championship's going to look like next year, but I think everybody has, will have a mindset of maximizing those points earlier in the year, not panicking in the playoffs, you know? I would ask you about your championship

format predictions, but I refuse to talk about it anymore. You mean like, you mean the future? You mean this year? Oh, the future. I've just had it. I mean, obviously, if you want to touch on it, you can. Mine is simple. It's just a four race.

So 3-3-4. That's it, simple. I've called plenty of championships that were all season long. And it makes it very difficult if indeed there's a runaway winner. And I don't think, I don't think us as sports fans, all of us. I'm not sure that that would fly anymore. And even if it did, then people would turn around and say, well, this is boring. let's go back to a playoff format.

So let's meet in the middle and let's just massage it a little bit. And so then people say you shouldn't be the champion by winning one race. Okay, so let's massage it a little bit and go three, three, four. Have four playoff races. And then I'm a believer, whether this is doable or not because of the schedule and the partners and everybody else. But I think the four different types of tracks, discounting a mile, I would have a short track. I would have a mile and a half. I'd have a road course and a super speedway.

Geez, let's just do it. Fucking Lee for mayor. We'll call it the lead point systems. Crew chief change on the eight, Tommy. Helped. You're such an asshole. You're such an asshole. I'm sorry.

But I was giggling because on my way to track yesterday, one of the crew members of RCR was driving a flatbed, RCR flatbed, and I just giggle. I'm like, they're already getting ready to. I really, I literally could not believe it when it was the, was it the first lap. Yeah, yeah, I was, I seen somebody, you know, we were, it was behind us. So it was like, in your peripheral, I see something happened, you know, and I look down, I'm like, there's no fucking way this guy's crashed again.

Like, did somebody ship him? I didn't see it. Like, I haven't gone back to look at it. I think it was a little, a little bumper tag. And I think, I think it was the 60 that ended up hitting him. I looked real, it was a quick, I'm not, but it wasn't, I don't, I think he got pushed into him. I've seen on the notes from last night, Andrew was kind of blaming it on Hosevar. Can we blame it Hosevar, Andrew? From what I heard, it was Hosevar who made contact with him. Yeah, I'm Hosefara.

Let's blame Hosevar for everything. Honestly, my favorite moment of that, and I saw it on social media, but Lee, your call of like, and everyone makes it through turn one fine. Except P. Except. And you got to feel so bad for Kyle. I don't even like it. I know, there's no he's having fun. I know we can laugh. I know we can break his chops a little bit, but I think the whole race and community feels bad right now

for Kyle. And like we I mean we have fun with on here. The guy is literally one of the best race car drivers that ever lived and he's just in a I don't even know what to call it. Like even like every session you watch, practice, qualifying, something is going wrong. We are counting on him every race to cause a caution

for us. He is one of those guys. He is one of those guys. now. You know, I mean, he's, he's like, we know Kyle's going to spin out. We know he's going to hit the wall, so we're good. Tommy, I know, like, where did you think about the cautions over the weekend? Because I felt like it was a little bit, I don't know, like the 13 trucks spins out. He's sitting in the middle of turn 17. We run, I mean, he was in no danger. Nobody was going to get to him. After all, I shouldn't say that because 10 trucks had to go buy him as there, as he spun. We sat there, waited, waited, waited, waited, waited, waited, waited. He finally got going. He finally got going. He finally got going. going. But then on Saturday, the 53 hits the fence, cuts a tire, hits the fence, stops the service penalty for blowing a chicane. And the second he stops, we put the yellow out. So I don't, was it for debris? No, I mean, he hit the walls is the thing that I think maybe, it was a front stretch. It was a front stretch. I didn't see it. So he, so he, so he cut a tire into the front stretch chicane hits the wall. It kind of goes up, slaps the wall, but comes to the left, serves his penalty. But what's the difference there? Like, what, I mean, is it just a,

just the contact with the wall. Like, it's just about consistency. And that obviously affected the race greatly on Saturday because, I mean, points, everything else. But it's like I don't, I still don't understand, especially road courses. I feel like we struggle with consistency for caution for us. Yeah, I don't know if there was debris from hitting the fence. Did they call caution for debris? What was their reason?

Did you hear him? They never, it was for him. You know, it was for him slapping the wall. I don't know. I thought, I thought they, I did. Again, everyone's going to call me Tommy Nassar. There we go. Tommy France.

I thought they kept it consistent all weekend of trying to wait as long as they possibly could to throw caution. Am I right around? Yes, except for that one instance. I don't have any facts to back any. I don't know what they... Normally they'll say caution debris or something. I don't know what they said. So I cannot answer your question.

I'm sorry. Well, what else is that? Sure did a lot of talking not to answer the question. Shush. Lee SVG just kind of schools them again. Is that what you saw from here, Yeah, but I think all of us enjoyed that that little scrap with Larson

and Larson and the 20. And then in his post-race interview saying, you know, I hope I didn't piss him off too bad. I didn't mean it intentionally, but it was pretty clear that Larson didn't enjoy, you know, being raced that way. And look, I think if you remember, it was Kyle Larson's words where he said

if Shane Van Gisbergen learns how to race ovals, we're in trouble. And so then SVG is coming off his first top 10. And then those two end up racing together. I love that moment because the day before in the media center, Kyle said, you know, Shane's the one who's raised the bar for all of us. So I think there's this lovely kind of mix going on and with incredible drivers who have a tremendous amount of respect for each other. And for us, that's, you know.

I like a couple of Kyle's comments after the race. He basically said that him in the 20 were almost trying to team up on SPG to make it kind of miserable a little bit for him. And they also said that he finished first in class. Kyle did. I mean, that's big props, right, for one of the best race car drivers in the world, right? But I liked, if you noticed last yesterday's race, how calm the 88 was after the pit stops, not rushing.

you know but by the end of the run he was so much better than anybody but he would wait 10 laps to pass those guys i mean he was just saving his tires i seen him make one mistake all day yesterday and that was when he came off six he got off the got off the road a little bit one time and he still gained almost past the 20 he passed him the next lap but he still almost passed him so i was like man the guy made a mistake and he still was good but the just the guy's just the guy he's just unbelievable. You can look at just the quick things that the car does without, like AJ said last week, you can follow him, you can watch his data, you can do everything, but you can't copy it.

Yeah. And like you said it to me on Saturday. You looked like we were about half a half a day to their practice, and Tommy just looks at me and goes, this guy's an animal. He's like this, it's unbelievable. And I was, we were talking about our falloff. Everybody obviously had more falloff than expected with the new tire, or the road course tire, I should say.

And Charles gets on a radio. and he's like, oh, 92, 20 is pretty good compared to the field. You know, that's, that's what we expect. It was matching the pace with Tyler Reddick and all the Toyota's basically. So I'm like, all right. So I'm going down my timing and scoring and I'm like, 92, 20. There's a couple guys high 91's high 91's. I look, I'm like, 8780, who the hell is, or 8980?

I go, fucking SVG is two seconds faster than us right now. And he's the same laps on tires. I got a text in the middle of the broadcast. an Australian supercar legend and Hall of Fame are called Mark Scaife. Bathis winner, a multi-time champion, one of the legends down there. And he just said, because we were getting into a conversation on the broadcast about why is he so good. And, you know, I know from people who have worked with Shane very closely, here's one of his secrets is the art of how he trail breaks.

And they call it, you know, the tale of the trail. But Mark Skafe texted me and said, listen, this guy, What happens in the end is what starts at the beginning, which means his preservation of the tire, the lack of wheel spin, and he said it's exquisite. And he just said the way that he looks after his tires is the way that he can.

And he's so, when you say he's a beast or an animal, you know, you think about being aggressive and he's the opposite. He's so calm and smooth and methodical and that transfers into speed and lap time and preservation. Yeah, if you look at practice speed, Like he, we, Bubba's like, I'm following Shane.

So whatever. Like, we roll off head row with Shane. He's like, I'm just going to follow him. Just, I don't know what the hell I'm going to learn, but I'm going to try it. To start to practice. Yeah, I was giggling. So we actually tried to fence Ross because Ross said it in the same thing. But, you know, we get in there.

And I'm looking at the lap times and I'm like, he's kind of just at our pace. You know, we ran within maybe three or four tens of each other. But then it dawned on me. I'm like, well, that's because he doesn't care right now. On lap two, he doesn't care. Ten laps later, we're backed up in the 90 seconds. And he's still. run in 87, 80s, 80s, I'm like, okay, now he's just, like, he's just decided that he's

going to go on a long run and kill us. What sucks for the field is, him doing that is still fifth or six fastest. Yeah, yeah. When he's taking it easy. Yeah. Yeah. So then when it's time, about lap 10, 12, 14 in the run, it's just, it's game over. I mean, like you, like we talked about last night, we talked about how strategic this race was.

He could have used any one of five different strategies and probably still won the race. the first stage. He still would have won. He still, you know, he didn't have to pit the first time. He would have to pit with two to go there, but he really didn't have to pit. He still would have won the stage. That's how far I was. And they proved at the third stage by not pitting, right? That, you know, to win. Yeah, to win. So, I think, I think that was a great move on the crew chief by doing that, because I think if they did pit, I think the 20 and the five, by the time they did pit would have gave him a fit. Well, like, you saw the five do it?

Yeah. Lee, do you think that's just a, the tactic of just trying to cage, you know, cage box them in, you know, like they're just doing everything they can to keep him behind him. So like, because he, so he can't build that gap in front of his stuff up. Yeah. Right. And maybe, maybe bend the toe link. Maybe do something.

I mean, you know, don't, they got that stuff in, in their minds. But the thing was they were trying to bait him to come in, I think. There was two things. If they all come in and a caution comes out, the 88 screwed. Yeah, if the other came out late in that race. The 88 screwed, he lost the race, right? Because he's going to have to pit. Those guys, those eight and nine guys that have pitted already,

he's going to have to start behind him, what, two, three, four laps. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to get back up there. But also, they might have tried to bait him to come in to give him fits those last eight, nine laps. But I think the crew chief made a really good call staying out there. I think they figured it out after the first stage that they could do that. they were far enough ahead that even those guys pitting on fresh tires, they weren't going to catch him. I wasn't looking at the times, you know, the time difference between him and the five and the 20 at the end of the race. But looking on the track, they weren't really gaining on them after they put tires on.

So I felt that it was. But on the last lap, did you see what happened? When he came out of seven and went back up onto the big track, there was this big bit of smoke came and the car, like, stepped out. And so, and he giggled about it afterwards. Like, he just made it. Yeah. Just made it on tile. It was a long run.

That right rear was done. It was cooked. All right, ready for some spot-on, spot-off? Sure. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit.

That's what I think. Send it. Why me? Okay, Roger Pinsky says, in addition to cost efficiencies, the next-gen car has enhanced on-track racing for our team and certainly others. Spot on, spot off, Tommy?

I mean, I would say that if I was Roger Penske. If you won every championship in this car. Yeah, I would imagine it's great. I mean, obviously, Roger Penske's one of the smartest businessman in the world, right? I'm not going to go really against what he says of efficiencies, but I'm not too sure about it. The cost. I would look in that section. Yes, it's cost.

You know, savings is a little bit better. but I think in other areas the money has been spent rather than in the car section, the engineering section, the tools, all that stuff. Sim. Yes, all that stuff. So I think, I don't know, I haven't seen it, right? And I don't think in our, look, we're,

Rick Ware racing is, we're very efficient in what we're doing because we have to, because we don't, we're not, we don't have a lot of money in sponsorship. We don't, you know, have any, you know, Ford doesn't really back as much. So we're last in every category and purchase in parts. And there is still a gap of money needed between sponsorship and to go race, right? I've been in these meetings with these guys when I owned my own charter and had to be part of these meetings.

I never left that meeting. Every one of those owners said they had to spend personal money to race, every one of them. them. And I still believe to this day that if it wasn't for them having money, they would be struggling too. So I don't know, man. I haven't seen the efficiency part. I've seen the efficiency part of the car side, maybe. I don't see the efficiency part when it gets wrecked, because it's $60,000 to $100,000 sometimes when they wreck. I don't know. Lee, strictly on the competition side of it, I've know you've seen. just about every damn form of racing that you across the board is this not one of the most competitive

cars you see like series wise i know there's there's there's issues with the car we all know that but i mean we all we for the most part we're kind of on top of each other every week yeah i mean for for for for what we do you know in the in the business of sport and entertainment you know it's fine i mean i hear what everybody says i hear what the drivers say i i certainly see what the fans say about it, but has there ever been the perfect race car, like to fit, to fit the economics of the sport or to satisfy the drivers to a T? I don't think there has been in any series. So it's a tough one. You know, and the drivers have had to go. The drivers and teams and crew chiefs and engineers have had to go through a lot of adaptation to this car, for sure. But I've certainly

enjoyed calling the races. My biggest thing, Tommy, we talked about this, I think last week a little bit, is the car was designed for parity and we saw that the first year right i mean we saw a lot of different winners i think it was 14 or 15 winners the first year but now as we go on the cream is rising to the top and it's it's it's it's gips it's hendrick it's penske the tier one guys are going to win a majority of these races and that's how it's been on every generation car build that we have introduced into our sport it's unfortunately it's a this is a big man sport right And it took those three a little, maybe a little bit longer than the other car builds to start dominating. But it's getting to that point that all the tools are in place, all the people in place.

They understand the cars now. Everything's getting manipulated a little bit more, which is still in the guidelines of all the rules, but that all the tools are being used to manipulate the things that need to be manipulated for downforce. And so, yeah, I mean, it's the three, I mean, they're all, those are the ones that are in a lock now in the top. I would assume I haven't even. So, yeah, it is what it is. I think we'll probably, you know, we'll see a couple different winners each year. But I think, again, these three teams will dominate the sport.

Yeah, I mean, you look at it now, you got three JGR cars, three hundred cars, two Penske cars. Yeah. is what you're looking at for the final eight. So like I said, the cream eventually. Always does. The money. I say the cream, it's the money. Yeah.

Right. I mean, essentially it's the money. It's the tier one partners. They're going to rise to the top at all times. Yep. Grant and finger triggers a big wreck. Lap one of the truck race collecting lane rigs in Corey Himes. Spot on Sput.

Freddie? Grant did not have a good day on Friday. He still finished it. He did finish. I don't know where he finished. I think he was in the top 10. Was he? I mean, well, he should be.

He spun everybody out there was in front of them. It was only two guys. Well, he got, he triggered that wreck, and I don't know, like, I'm assuming he just misjudge. Because Grant Nfinger is not that kind of race car driver. He would never, I don't think intentionally wreck anybody. But he turned in to turn one early, got on Lane's quarter panel, wrecked the two leaders. And I'm like, what the hell happened there? Then I think he turned 13 around later in the race.

He turned Caden Honeycutt around. There was a waiting line at the side of his truck to get to him. He might have had a new helmet. The strap was a little tight or something. I don't know. But it's just, you know, that's, to see Corey battle back, when he, when he come out of that wreck and he went to pit road after, you know, whatever, there's a yellow, I think right away. I looked at that truck and I was like, this kid's, that's like, time time is over for the day, you know, whatever. And then he comes back and I look up five laps laterly and he's running fifth and charging to the front.

And I'm like, where did this guy come from? Kind of like a Chase Elliott story at the rival. Yeah. The ultimate comeback. Yeah. It's, but, you know, I did feel bad for Brent Cruz because Brent, did everything right. But at the same time,

he caught a bad break at the end of the race with a caution. But he also caught a good break at the beginning of the race because if Corey's shit's not wrecked early, Corey's probably the guy that dominates the race.

But, you know, talk about Cruz because this kid is super talented. Yeah, he's going to be good. I think he's got a really good, he's going to be in a really good place for next year. I'm not sure.

They haven't announced it yet. We can. You want to announce it? Yeah, no, no, I don't. We'll get it. I think I've mentioned it on here. He's going to infinity race. Yeah, yeah.

You can figure out. So he's going to be in a good place. He's in a better place. He's in a better place. He's in a better place. But yeah, it's fun to watch these kids. So all these kids go to Tommy's shop and work on his modified. This is Brent, Jesse, Connor, T.J.

T.J. So that's why Tommy's car's been falling apart. Gavin. Gap. Yeah. They all hang out. You don't actually let Gavin touch anything, do you? TJ's the one that works on the car.

Yeah. Connor, it's only allowed to sweep and clean the trailer. Have you seen Connor out of walking wrecking? I've seen Connor fall out of a race car. Yeah, so he can't. He needs to do the safest job on the floor. Like put him in a bubble, basically. Yeah. But that truck race, though, at the end, especially,

and it got a little intense there at the end when, you know, the caution kind of flipped everything. And some guys, I was surprised that the 11 was able to stay out and hang on because tires made a big deal. And for the fact that they stayed out and the rest of us couldn't get back to them, it was pretty impressive. Yeah, he's, I'm again, they're on it, man. I hope he wins a championship. I mean, I think we would all be, we're going to be pretty pissed. I feel like if he doesn't, there will be an uproar. Lee, let me ask you this.

You're sitting in the booth. That race was kind of strung out. You know, it's, you know, Brent Cruz is checked out. Corey's running second. Never going to get to him. The broadcaster side of you, are you hoping for a yellow flag if you're calling that race? Like, are you sitting there? Like, obviously, you know what I mean?

He's like, yeah. I like big finishes, right? Yeah, I like that grandstand finish. is super exciting from where we sit for sure yeah and i last week obviously we were involved in one of those fucking finishes um and i was like i said lee does such a good job but the this i don't want to watch us finish anymore like everybody's sending it to me with denny and us obviously and i'm like damn it lee nailed it but i don't want to watch this again for another i was thinking of you mate i was thinking of you what i know we're going a little off topic what did you guys think of the

chat between Denny and Ross after the race. That was pretty intriguing. That was really intriguing, actually. I thought that it would be a lot more emotive, but it was somewhat calm. And then the way when it concluded and Denny walked away and the way that Ross, you know, like patted him on the arm, it was, I would have liked to eavesdropped on that. Yeah, I'm sure he was telling him that he had no idea. And, you know, it's probably kind of hard at that point to believe, believe him.

but I think after probably Ross will respect any a lot more after hearing everybody else's comments that yeah he did not know so well that leads in to our next topic anyway so you weren't off topic Tom let me put on my put your fucking glasses on so you don't skip ahead

three such ones I buy my three pack of glasses every now and then they throw these in so I got to wear them oh my God Denny Hamlin passes Ross Chastain on the last lap to knock him out of the playoffs I wasn't off topic. You weren't for once.

Just a little ahead. Yeah. The biggest thing for me to explain to the fans side of this where you, like, I know a lot of people can't believe that Danny didn't know. We are no longer allowed to mention the word points as a spotter, as a team. I know some teams did it and God bless when they got away with it. But on Saturday, there was a playoff driver that was in no threat of losing his. position or anything, asked his spotter, what's the, what's, what's, what's, what's playoffs look like?

You know, what's going on? And the spotter simply read the standings. Oh, this one's out by 35. This one's out by 25. This one's out by 25. This one's out by 10. This one's out by five. The cut lines pretty tight, whatever.

No directions. No, just read the standings. And he got a warning from NASCAR. Do not talk about the point standings. Why is that? Because they don't want race manipulation. They don't want to, they don't want us to be able to, say, but now Tommy, you create a whole other monster with this of, and listen, Lee, actually,

I'm going to go to you with this because I don't know how you police this because we, I was talking to Tommy about this last night. At the end of the second stage, SVG pits, short pits, he comes out of the pits, you know, with three to go, whatever it is, and he is saving tire. Ross runs him down, Ross passes him. And it, if, if you don't know what's going on, it looks like race manipulation because he just let Ross go by without a fight. But that's beneficial to SVG because he's trying to save tire for the restart. So I don't know. Like, what do you, how do you police something like that?

Well, I mean, I might, I might be dreaming this, but I'm sure that I heard in the, in on the radio during the broadcast, the communication to the 22. The 22 was talking about it. I was talking about it openly. Openly. That was brave. And the day before, uh, in the press conference, Joey said, I want to know absolutely everything. that's going on with the people that I'm racing.

Well, I guess if you're the guy. Yeah, if you're the guy that needs to get in, you need to know what's going on. I think for the guys that are already in and the teammates, that's when it gets a little. Two different stories. Yeah, absolutely. It's just, but like for Danny, who's not involved, he's well above the cut line, not involved in the point standings. If they start feeding him information, who would you rather want in the... Absolutely.

Right. But it would be manipulation. If they tell him, if you pass the one, it knocks the 22 out, you can't give that information over the radio because, and listen, I don't, I, Danny is smart enough to know going into the race, the one of the 22 are probably going to be the two guys that are battling. And I don't know if you were up there with me. He, I think he tried all he could to not pass the one for about a lap and a half. But then eventually he got swallowed up from behind.

And the one missed turn seven, he got underneath. Like, he just couldn't get back there anymore. But I saw he was mad at the team for not giving information. And I'm like, they can't. Like, unless Lambert wants to get, listen, I got suspended over this shit last year. Allegedly. Allegedly. But, you know, Lambert can't feed him that information because if he does, you don't know what the penalties are going to be.

They could knock you out of the playoffs. They could, you know, if you try to manipulate stuff, we've seen Michael Walshap Racing got hammered with fines and basically put him out of business. So, you know, the idea that he didn't know, well, he can't know because they shouldn't tell him. I don't know if they did or not. I don't think they ever did. But it was, but to your point, again, you would rather race the one in the next four races than you would have 22, no? Yes. Especially going to one particular racetrack.

Yes. Well, a couple. I mean, you got 22 strong at all, well, the next four really. All of them. Lee, this is, I mean, I hate to say it, but Denny seems like Joey's biggest fan because he could have knocked him out last week without, with us winning. And then he passed Ross this week to let him back in, so it could potentially come back to bite him. What if history repeats this week in Vegas? Joey wins.

Joe and Joey's on the line at the roval. He's out, then he's in, goes to Vegas and wins. What if history repeats? Yeah. Crazy. And then it's going to repeat itself again, I think, in Phoenix. Yeah. Might as well write the check then.

No, let's not get that far. They're unbeatable at Phoenix. Yeah. They're literally unbeatable in Paris, I think. I think the 12th. Yeah, I would say one of them is going to win. PINCII in general. Austin Hill says, if anyone's at fall, it's me for losing the 21 bonus points during the regular season after being eliminated from the Xfinity playoffs by 21 points.

What are the chances that this guy lost 21 points and missed by. 21 points. You've been going on about this for a little bit. Was that from his little vacation that he had to take? Well, when he got suspended, you lose all of your previously earned playoff points. Got it. And that was the deal.

But, like, I mean, Lee, how do you think you live with that when you realize one moment of heated anger ruins your whole season? Well, yeah, I don't. Obviously, I don't cover Xfinity, and I don't know him personally. but from what I observe, there's times where he errs on the more aggressive side. And I think, and he's still a young guy.

And I think in the big scope of his career, I think this is going to be a key learning moment. And for him to step up and put his hand up and say that was on me, I think that's a big step, big step forward. And, you know, any of these guys that we're talking about each and every week in Cup, they could probably go back in time and say, this is where I learned the hardest lesson and this is how I changed my. I tell a lot of the young guys I work with like, you know, Geo, for example, at Darlington a couple weeks ago or whatever a month ago, ran a flawless race, flawless. The race is 147 laps. He ran a flawless 142 laps. Tried to protect the top line on somebody, got into fans, cut his tire. And I said, man, you don't let this one moment in this race. You just learn from it.

You learn from it moving forward. That's all you take out of this race is you made one mistake that don't let it ruin the rest of the race for you. But if you just learn from these mistakes, and hopefully Austin has, but these guys worry me him, your buddy in the 77, they have these moments where they... I thought after New Hampshire,

I thought he figured it out. And then the last two weeks, he's running into shit again. It's like, no, he doesn't have a $50,000 fine last week. I still have not seen a video. I mean, you guys were covering. Was it on TV? I don't know.

didn't have it in the broadcast but went back and found it on a yeah on a yeah i guess he was just aggressively trying to get going i don't really i never saw yeah but no i don't but this week was this weekend alone every session he was there was something going on like he jumped the curb he got to get towed back to the pits he fires the race off it's maybe get maybe rexed the eight on lap one definitely rexed a two a couple laps later like it's just you got to put it together at some point and i don't that it's ever going to happen. But let's spin it forward in a positive. You be the positive guy.

If you do tidy up all of that stuff, that kid's going to be incredible. Yeah, but he's not yet. But that's the problem. He should be way past all the things he should be learning already. Because he's made every fucking mistake you can imagine, right? And it's just, it aggravates me because he's... The reason why you get so mad is because he's so talented.

He's so talented. Yes. He is so good. You watch him drive a race car. He is really good race car driver. And he just, dude, put it together. You're capable of running in the top 10 every week. I think a lot of people don't realize that. I mean, we've been hard on him all year. You in particular. But the reason you're hard on him is because you know how good he is. Yeah. You know, if it was somebody like we get Chris right, whatever, like we give him shit. That's a different situation. You're hard on Carson because you see the talent. The kid can. be one of the best race car drivers in the sport. I'm mad because nobody's helping them. I mean, I think people are trying, but it's just not good. Yeah, but they, you know, you need like a... Do you want his phone number? You need like a Daler and Hart, right, to grab... Yeah, but none of you guys got grabbed by the back of the neck by Dailerun.

No, you were too little. I did. Right? I got grabbed in the back and neck by Dailer Hart once. That's the... That'll wake you up. That's what you need. That's what he needs, right?

He needs a little chat by somebody that he respects, but I don't know if he respects anybody. Well, you know what? I noticed. A couple years ago, we had him, he was on DBC. It was the episode right after my dad died, so I wasn't there. But he talked about it on DBC. He said he walked into the shop.

At the time, he was running trucks and it started getting into Exfinity a little bit. And he said he walked into here, and Dale Jr. is one of his heroes. He said, and the first thing Dale said to him is, you're not coming over here to crash all my shit, are you? And he said, that, like, hit home for him. Like, the guy that I look up to thinks that I'm an idiot. basically like you know like and then it that kind of the end of his truck career was like pretty ugly

a little bit of times but I felt like it got straightened out pretty quick there because I think that hit home for him like holy shit I don't have the respect of somebody that I look up to so much and that kind of changed him a little bit but you still see these moments where he just kind of just unleashes her or and it's not even malicious it's like yesterday just overcooks the bus stop or the front stretch cane and runs the two over and whatever happened with the eight maybe but I mean like I said we give this kid a lot of shit on here

but it's only because he could be great and you just want him you want to do shake him exactly tire wear put pit well what was that how does that go? Tireware put pit no tire wear put road course strategy

There's no pit there I don't know you're making it words I'm hallucinating words Tireware put road course strategy back in to the hands of drivers and crew chiefs at the Roval. Spot on, spot off. Lee, the thing I want to ask you about with this specifically, because we were talking about this with Andrew last night, he's like, yeah, SVG and Larson.

And I'm like, no, we're talking about tire wear pitch strategy. And he kept going back to those two. And I said, you don't realize, and you guys do. I know because you have a broader view of it. So many battles came down to strategy. Obviously, the lead battle, but the playoff battle, the guys in the top 10. Like, how much fun was it honestly?

for you guys to see guys. I mean, we were pitting every fucking 10 and 11 laps. Yeah. So that was exciting. I don't think it was as, I don't think that the tires were as chaotic as we thought they were. The fall off was pretty dramatic, but maybe not as dramatic as we thought. But it certainly added to the flavor of the race. And for us, it was, there was stuff going on everywhere all the time.

And I think it was a super challenge for crew chiefs and the engineers. and I personally love races like that because there's so much going on. Steve and Jeff, you know, Jeff always looks at it from the driver's point of view. Steve's looking at it from the strategic point of view. It was awesome. We look at, you know, pre-race, we have a, you know, a graph, and it's usually like Tuesday, tomorrow I'll have a meeting about analytics going to the next weekend. But, you know, you look at, there's graphs and it's tire fall off, basically.

And it's, you know, most tracks are kind of like a fairly even fall off. So then we had one predicted, like a predicted fall off, and it went here. And then the actual fall off was way the hell of here. All of our offsets were off. All of our offsets were off. I think we all changed the strategy for the third stage. We all had in mind it was only going to be most of us at two stop. By the time it was on, I think it was a three stop was plus six seconds.

Yeah. So that changed after we reviewed the fall off of the first, probably one and a half stages after we pitted the first time in the second stage to understand that. So, yeah, that was probably the first time, I think in a long time, we had to redo our strategy of based off the tire fall off. Yeah, it was fun to watch from the spotter stand. Like half the time, usually I have kind of a good idea of like where it's going to play out. You know what I mean?

And we had heard some guys, and we never, you never think about splitting a stage. We talk about splitting stage at ovals. You know, you never think about splitting a stage at road course. It's always kind of run until either two to go and then pit or run the stage at get stage points. But, you know, you just watch, it felt like to me, like the five to 88 and a 20 were racing each other. They were all kind of doing strategies just against each other. Then you had, which, by the way, Paul Wolf, one of your buddies, I mean, makes a call to advance them. Super cool.

I mean, I mean, I think he really at that point, he had no choice, right? He was like, I need to take a chance to, for a couple of reasons. to have fresher tires maybe at the end, you know, or let me, let me rephrase that, to have track position at the end, he might have not had fresher tires, but he would have been ahead of them. Right. And to maybe have the speed to catch the guys he needed to catch because to fall off, I mean, it was like a switch.

I mean, the last five, six laps, it was a huge falloff, you know, for everybody. But doesn't the racer inside you love that? Oh, yeah. I like to use the phrase reactionary flexibility. You've got to constantly pivot. and you're being challenged to think on the run, and I think the engineers thrive on that, and the crew chiefs thrive on that.

And I think some drivers and teams that will get lost in the weeds from yesterday, and even though Kez retired, RFK had a terrific day, and McDowell had a terrific day. Absolutely. They were strong, but they weren't in the story because of everything else that was going on, you know? It was fun for me to look, and I'm sure TV played out the same way. You know, Joey Pitts, and I'm trying to keep track of who's wearing the standing,

and they were kind of like two or three points apart the whole time. And then it was, I looked up and Joe he was eight. I think when he came out of the pits, maybe he was eight out. And I'm like, this is going to be fun to watch. You know, he's got to gain. He's not going to gain eight himself. But if he can gain three or four and Ross comes back three or four, now we got a ball game and the last lap. But I mean, how was that on TV?

Like it was ever changing every lap. Well, can I ask you this? Maybe you saw from where you were standing or where you was standing. What happened with with, he was on a last week? what happened with AJ? Because we look at the monitors and we look out the window, right? And I just happen to be looking down to the left

and I see the 16 going in reverse. And we didn't have it on the show. But I was like, hey guys, Armandinger is going across the line in reverse. So that was Daniel. Daniel kind of blew the front stretch of cane and got him. But yeah, we were coming off the backstretched cane

at that point. And Charles, our crew chief's like, hey, Freddie, just so you know, the 16 is backwards. And he's backing down the front straightaway. Just when you get over here, I was like, No shit.

Yeah, and I felt bad for AJ because he was probably maybe fourth best. You know, like those three, those three were the class of the field. Yeah, he was. So he was right there, top five. Like you said, McDowell, those guys, it was, but it was just a fun race. That was, those are the races I love because a lot of times you don't know what's going to happen. You know, you don't know, like you said, if the, if there's a caution with five to go, that race gets flipped on its head. It becomes a mess.

Okay, quick on the fly pole. When was the last race? She saw a cup race. where two drivers came across the line in reverse. Yeah, reverse, yeah. It was, it was, well, I mean, you talk about that move. I'm sorry to go back to the Denny Ross thing,

but like, what's going? I mean, do you just, are you good with that? Are you good with Ross selling out, Wreck and Denny just hoping for something? I mean, this is kind of Hail Melon, roval style. Like, he's got to do what he's got to do? Yeah.

I mean, you think that's... Yeah, I think he's probably also mad for Denny. Passing him? Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, you got to do what you got to do at that point. And those do have a bit of history. If you haven't seen it yet, which I don't think you have because you're all busy, go back and watch the post-race interview with Ross Chastain. It was so deep and so reflective.

And he was just putting, he just kept loading it on his own shoulders. Like, he owned everything. He owned those two mistakes in pit lane. And just he was beating himself up pretty hard. I was surprised. Yeah, I was surprised he was, I thought he was screwed when he speeds on pit road. looked at Herm, I go, that's it for him, right? And then I looked back up and he was still kind of in the hunt, so he just must have done a really good job, that run of kind of keeping track position.

I don't, or I guess that was why he was such old tires at that point. That he was further enough ahead. So even though he got the penalty, he still came out. Talking, you know, turn to the Saturday. I know Lee, you didn't call this race, but Philip Bell makes a great call, which I thought it was just a phenomenal call. Andrew didn't want to give me any credit for it. So I actually got clarification from it. They were planning on Or they were debating to pit anyways, and then he had a blistered tire, and they decided to pit. So what happens is a lot of times if you're just solely going for the win in the road course race, Tommy, I know you can talk to this. A lot of times if you don't have a shot of the wind, what you will do is come to pit road with five to go, four to go, whatever it is, and just pray to God a yellow comes out.

And if the yellow comes out, everybody pits, you cycle to the lead and can you hang on? is the Hail Mary strategy, basically. And I saw him come down pit road, because he was not going to beat the 54 the way it was. Like they weren't fast enough. Everything I kind of leveled out at the end of the race. And I saw him come down at pit road. And I was like, oh, he's going for the hell there.

He, God bless him. And as he's on pit road, the fucking yellow comes out for the 53 reckon. And I'm like, holy shit, what a call. So, I mean, that changed their whole season, going, just pitting with, I think it was five to go or four to go. Great call. But the question is, do you think Paul Wolf studied that? Yeah, absolutely.

Do you think that group went into that and dove into that and studied the time and everything would happen? Did he base his decision off that decision? That's the question of the day. Yeah, and it was, I mean, I didn't understand the 54 was in a bad spot. Obviously, they weren't very good all day long. They were trying to hang on. But Tommy, for you, like if in that scenario as a crew chief, what do you want to do there?

Do you want to have your guy try to be on offense to defend your season, or do you want to leave him out on old tires, start in third, and pray to God he doesn't bleed too many spots? And a place like that, the way the tire wear was, you can't do that. Especially if you won the first cars, the last car is on old tires, you will get gobbled up. Usually when there's five or six and a little bit of cushion, maybe that first guy won't survive a little bit.

Maybe he will because there might be another caution. It might be, you know, it might be a, but, When you have a track that is that abusive on tires, it is such a gamble to do that. Why do you think, why are we seeing such high tire wear there? I mean, like, it's not like in a brain. It's not Darlington, you know what I mean? But, like, I mean, we're falling off four or five seconds in fucking five 15 laps. I mean, I think kudos to good year, right?

But also a lot of those corners are off-Cambard corners, right? And they're all low speed to high-speed, you know, situations. and I think it's all about quality, you know, car control, handling, right? So if you make five, six mistakes in one lap, it's going to hurt your tires, right? You see that all, you see the guys making mistakes, then you see them dropping off more than the guys that don't. You can see it from up top. The casual fan can see that. But I just think it's just the way to track setup.

It's just, it's prone to induce wear, if you know, not careful. And I think guys who understand it, as you stated before with that 88 car understands it, both 88 cars. True. Lee, talk about, you're very familiar with this, I would assume, the V8 supercars, this is what he's been doing for a long, from what I understand, the V8 supercars were racing on bricks, basically. And like, if you pissed those tires off, you were never getting them back. So how much background does Shane already have on having to take care of tires basically throughout the whole race.

And quite like heavy car and narrow tire. Yeah. So think about that and that's where he's, Scott McLaughlin, very similar, although obviously he's in the open wheel world now. And Shane drives and has driven and will continue to a good variety of cars. So loves rallying.

So, you know, and it's very good. And he's raced in Rally New Zealand, which is part of the World Rally Championship. So his car control is something pretty special. Top notch. All right. Well, it's time for me. Action Theater, where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's

race. How many calls do we get, Andrew? About 150 to 200? 150, 200. He listened to Six of them. Yes. No, I come through all of them. They were all the Diffy impressions. Do you guys just read the transcripts, or do you actually listen to the calls? I do a mixture of both. Yeah, I will listen to the beginning of every call, and then the transcript, if the transcript's not telling me. All right, well, whatever. Play these calls. Yeah. Here we go. Ham ones talked about how important it is to win the championship. I guess he's given up on winning one for himself,

and it's going to make sure he single-handedly wins one for Lugano. He better hope that Lugano doesn't win this championship, because this is two instances where he's let him back in the game. Joe Swanson here. Denny, Denny, what are we going to do? But no one lets you know what's going to happen. How are you going to know? You were screwed, Denny.

Screwed the pooch. No, no family guy fans? I didn't recognize my I didn't recognize like, who the hell is that? I don't watch cartoons anymore. It's the guy, I can't think of his name, but it was an impression of the guy who does putty in Seinfeld.

Got another for you, buddy. Wow. Dude, I just, I got to be quiet because I'm a pilot and I got a painful pastures right now, but I just watch that race, the ending. What the fuck?

Did you hear the belt? The seatbelt side is, Go on. Yeah, we're the beginning on descent, folks. I like to know where he was flying. I could tell you one thing. I could be watching a snail race, and if Lee Diffy was calling it, I would be at the edge of my feet. That's a fact.

True. I didn't know you had family that listened. That was my cousin. Thanks. He didn't have an accent. Hey, I got to tell all my fellow. little Kyle Bush fans, y'all are doing it wrong. Y'all are waiting to get some until he wins.

In my house, we do it every time he spins out. I gotta tell you all this guy's getting late all the time. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. It's not going well for them this year. I just, I go back to what we were talking about earlier. You're talking about one of the greatest drivers in the history of the sport, and I feel for him, you know, like, and, you know, he's had his moments in the sport where certainly wasn't, you know,

winning any popularity contest, but I feel for him because it's tough to watch, and he came so close multiple times last year. He's had some moments this year, but hey, I think I always like to try and spin the positive, you know, and spin it forward, and I think it's going to make that day, because I do believe he's going to win again. Absolutely. And it's going to make that day really, really special. The guy didn't forget how to drive a race car.

No, of course not. Of course not. Here's the last one. Oh. Wow. Carl Petty. There's no words. Kyle, Petty's calling in.

Sunday night after a hometown race, Freddy's got a big old frown on his face. Another year, another chase dream died. Times like these, just one place to go, as every DBC fan knows, don't need an excuse, don't need a reason why. There's more people.

A backup vocal. Biggs. I never know what's going to happen here. Big outs. She all starts with the beer. Pretty soon it's well past time to go home. That's accurate. I'm not sure how much we drank, but it was a lot.

Sure, I'll do one more fireball shot. Freddy's missing. Whereabouts are no? Check big owls. This sounds like some inside information here. I mean, they know. We've talked about it at length of here. We were there.

Me and Tom, we were there last night. Yeah, they didn't invite me. Well, we didn't want to see you last night. Oh, okay, cool. Andrew, can you send me that? Yeah, we need to send that to Kyle. It's on YouTube, too. So I just need that in my playlist.

Oh, shit. That was very accurate. I was frowning, and I got the big owls last night. Turn that frown upside down. Turns my day around for me. Big thanks to Lee for sending that song in. Lee? Not you, not you, Lee.

Differently. How did you change your voice like that? I didn't get a hint of an accent there at all. Oh my gosh. To leave an audio message 24-7 or a song, you can call our number, 704, 802-9572. That was... I'm going to get them to sponsor the show

so we can just play that as the intro. That would be... We have to figure that out. That would be next level. It's time for ask... He recented. Oh, he did. Did you text it to us?

Yeah, he titled it, The Ballad of Big Al's. It's accurate. It's time for AskDBC where you can send in your questions on X each week, and both of them this week. or for Lee. Teddy wants to know what the biggest, what is the biggest thing about doing play by

play that many people don't realize? How prepared you have to be for anything, really? Like expect the unexpected and, you know, you have to, in, and because I work on so many different sports and in so many different booths, that means so many different personalities. It'd be like a crew chief or a spotter working with different drivers, you know, doing all three races on a weekend, right and so you have to you have to really respect who you're working with like who you're working with and then and then manage that in the booth but you are doing that in front of a national and international audience so I have teenage kids you know there's lots of talk about assessment and grades and homework and stuff like that and I'm like well I have to do homework

every week and I get assessed every week but just so happens to be online television. And so you have to make sure that, hey, you're prepared. You know, you've got your shit together to come to work and work with people like Jeff Burton and Steve LaTard and Hall of Fame and Dale, Jared. And you've got to bring that group together and, and, you know, just make it work, so to speak. And because you've got different people have different strengths, different backgrounds, different experience levels. You know, when I do, when I do track and field at the Olympics. I'm sitting beside two Olympic legends and, you know, everybody's got different personalities and different ideas and it all has to come together to work at the same time, and it's

live. It's split-second decision-making and ideas and communication. And so, yeah, there's probably, it's a great question. I've never been asked that, but there's a lot more to it, I think, than people think. Yeah. What's a sport that you want to broadcast that you might have not gotten to do yet? Are there any that you have? Are there? Yeah. There's, there. There's, there. There's There's tons that I have you done bowling yet. I haven't done bowling. I haven't done bowling and I don't have a desire to do to do bowling or curling. You'll be quiet.

Do one one play by play for bowling, right? Let's do it. Let me ask you this. I'm not going to ask you your favorite call, which I'm sure you have numerous ones. No, we need to. All right. What's your favorite? What was your own?

What is your all time on any sport? Oh. I was going to ask about not you, somebody else, like somebody that. that you've, another call from somebody else that you've heard that sticks out. Well, Freddie, let's do both. Let's ask both. Well, I was... Freddie hijacked my question.

I'm sorry. This doesn't mean anything to the majority of your viewers unless they're like English Premier League fans and they watch a lot of soccer. But there's a British, and I'm not British. So a fellow countryman. But there's a British, there's a British soccer commentator called Martin Tyler. And he had this amazing call once where David Beckham. did one of you know bend it like Beckham bent it into the net and and you know his his line was cometh the hour cometh the man and you know Beckham puts it in the back of the

net that's the stuff that gives me goosebumps stuff so um I don't know what my favorite calls I wouldn't say your favorite call but like what's maybe your most memorable race or even well I tell you something I tell you something freaky that happened to me uh easy within within within a six month span or whatever around about six months So last year at Daytona, calling Harrison Burton, winning his first cup race. I'm standing beside his dad. It was incredibly emotional moment. And for Steve and I to share that with Jeff.

So fast forward six months. We're in Florida doing Supercross. I get to work with Ricky Carmichael, The Goat every week. And occasionally, like half a dozen times in the supercross season, James Stewart, you know, another Hall of Fame gets to join us. Well, it's the same order. Me, James, Ricky, and Malcolm, James' younger brother, wins his first 450 main and there he is in the booth gets to call it they they turn the camera on

us in the booth and james and we're all high-fiving and then he gets to go he we interview his little brother and so within the span of six months to share that family moment right those two family moments were pretty special absolutely that's sweet i'll tell you i i love listening to you what you how you explain things i i don't know if you're going to take this oh shit i completely you I compare you to Howard CoSell. I do. For all, how he spoke and how he explained the product, right?

I compare you that high. Thank you. I do. That's very con. Well, way to fucking ruin the whole dynamic of this showtime. We're supposed to be assholes out here. Now you're being fucking nice to people. That's a nice guy.

This is the first nice guy we've really had on here. You're absolutely right. I mean, Jesus. We don't randomly, we don't come across nice people very often. No. No. I mean, most of the nice people... You are who you surround yourself with. First of all, most of the nice people don't want to come on here.

Well, lucky for you guys, it's time for shit show Hall of Fame. So you can go right back to being assholes. You guys versus Denny won last week. Oh, no shit. Weird. 47% of the vote. I'm starting off. Did you see those photographers fighting at that one racetrack? Did you see that video?

No. There's a video that someone sent me, and there are two photographers just, just absolutely Yes, look at this Just throwing haymakers on each other It looks foreign It looks foreign They are

I can't tell Oh it's a Oh they're drifting Drifting Yeah So two photographers are just Beating a hell out of each other Yeah baby

I think the start of the truck race Probably has to get an honorable mention For the shit show Hall of Fame That was just not an ideal start I think Ross Hale Whatever you want to call it this time Hail Roval through the

Chircane there's probably got to get an honorable mention Thunder Road We can find it on Flow Oh yeah Oh yeah Floreson Oh if you want to look it up for yourself You can visit flowsports.com link Slash door bumper clear and get 15% off your subscription

There we go But this Thunder Road wreck I mean there's literally three cars stacked on top of each other Luke was trying to show it to me yesterday during a race I'm like Luke I'm trying to fucking work If you don't mind. He's like, look at this wreck. I'm like, calm down.

But yeah, so that was a big one. We had something close to that in our late model race on Saturday night. Did you guys have a shit show? Landon Huffman was on top of Chad McCombie's hood. All Landon just overcooked it, I guess. Yeah, he got C-swept. That's what happened. Luke got run over.

A bit of a shit show there. He got wrecked in that race. I don't know if it's actually a shit show worthy. I'll tell you, we talk about good shit show. bad shit shows like a shit show can be anything the highlight of my weekend was watching those guys flag out of that fucking condo in turn one did you did you guys get to see it on television at all so they're you know they had the condos over in turn one on the oval and uh christian it's christian esponose's sweet and there's or condo whatever you want to call it and there's a guy just

hanging out the window and every flag whatever the flag ran through he threw practice out the window i'm like freddie is that an official i guess friday i'm like Why is there an official way over there? He goes, Tommy, that's not an official. That's a bunch of guys that are drinking. I'm like, they could fuck up a race. They're literally like, they're literally just waving every flag. Whatever you had, like the black and red at the end of practice.

They're going. Oh, my God. I loved every second of it. But so that's a good shit show. We'll put that on a good shit show list. We should have videoed it. Yeah. I have a picture of it, but it was, it was just, I went in there the night, the next night,

and I'm like, you guys got to like, you guys. got a like you guys are out of control and the funny thing is it like the closed circuit camera is mounted on the back of that building so the uh matt weaver was posted a video he's like we're watching this closed circuit tv for the racetrack and this guy's just fucking hanging out the window waving flags all night long um so truck race ross and denny we got to find a video from thunder road and then i'll send you a picture or something of the kid waving the flags um yeah shit show i'm never know every every time i nominate something. It's never good enough to make

your list. It's not good enough. I'm sorry. I thought it was a good nomination. Send it. No, it's all right. What do you want to replace you? No, this is Freddy's shit show. Why can't we add? Just anything. Nobody else is allowed to contribute. What did you make a rule? You only get four. Remember to go vote on Freddy's Hall of Fame Twitter poll on who you want to see inducted this week. Do me a favor. Take, Don't do it. Don't do it. Take Thunder Road out. No, no. No. That was a shit show. No. All right, take Danny and Ross out.

No. All right. Take fucking the start of the truck race out. I think the fly. You don't. flagging. You're not allowed. Who? I think Twitter. The poll only gives you four options, stupid. Halt.

I don't know. I don't know anything about Twitter. I think that the photographer is beating the shit out of each other is funnier than the flags, but that's just me. That's fine. So send the video, send the video to him so he can post it. Let's make a happy for once. Yeah. Put the, the photographers fighting each.

I mean, throw me a fucking bone every once in a while, guys. I agree. I agree with that. Thank you. Thank you. Stop being so fucking nicely. Jesus. God.

Take back that Howard Post-Cell. I hate you guys. Hey, it's Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, we need you to go to shop.dirtymomedia.com. We've got plenty of options and we're adding new stuff all the time. Shop.

Dot dirtymobedia.com. All right, DBC picks. Congratulations, Freddie. Hey. I went way out on a limel. I went way out on a limel. God, dang. I'd be nine.

What were you picks? What will you picks? Believe it or not, I picked that SVG. You know, you know, the story, right? So, so we pick all year long. You get to use each driver one time.

Yep. And then we reset for the playoffs. Well, we may or may not have forgot to tell Tommy that we reset for the playoffs. So he had been saving, he could have picked SVG yet. Walk, the last road course. He's like, I'm going to save him for the roll of one.

I was like, I don't, I didn't even come to mind. I'm like, that's in the playoffs, whatever. So then we, I said, we resaid. He's like,

what do you mean we reset? I could have picked him at Rockins Clan. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm tied up, Carson, almost buying dinner. One more win for me and you're buying dinner, Carson. Appreciate you. Lee, before we get into picks, I won't ask you to pick somebody

because you're covering the race and it's not fair to you to do that. Thank you. Are there guys to going to Las Vegas? Are there guys you have kind of circled as maybe the favorites? Well, I think we can look back at Kansas as a window forward to Vegas, if that's fair. And I hope we get a similar style race. Not the ending.

Yeah, thanks a lot. Not the ending for you. But Kansas was just, not just the end, but the whole day in Kansas was enjoyable. So I hope we get a similar kind of race in Vegas. Let me ask you a question. And this is off topic here. You know, a lot of our races sometimes get strung out and there's a guy leading by three or four seconds. Are you thinking about the checkered flag call at all?

Or it's just everything's in the moment for you. No, no, that's totally in the moment. But you do have to circle back around to include something in that final call that something that may have happened in stage one or something that has been part of that driver's storyline for the whole season or... So do you write that stuff down? No, no. Or it's just comes right out. Yeah, you can't write it down. That's unbelievable.

That's awesome. Because it's like how could you write something down like that happened in Kansas with Elliot? You wouldn't be ready. You can't. Yeah, it's just got to be reactionary. So, and that's the, that's the juice that gets us all excited. Like if something like that does come about. They need to put a heart thing on you when you're doing that to measure what's going on.

Just a buildup. Like we're going on a backstretch. I can hear you ramping up as we go down the backstretched. Jenny goes to the bottom. And you don't even think Chase is in the picture last week, really. Like, you're thinking this is going to come down to the two of us. And next thing you know, here comes Chase. And it's like, holy shit.

Fuck. By the way. Anyway, Picks. Andrew, who you got? I'm going to go A lot of the picks I wanted are already picked by the guest Oh, not a guy's a professional

I'm going team chaos I think Joey Lugano wins at Vegas Whoa Way out on a limb A guy won there last year I'm taking Chase Elliott Chase Elliott

Thomas I'm going to go with Busher What? Chris Busher Oh yeah Okay

Okay. Are you sure those cheetah-print glasses? I will take Christopher Bell. That was between him or Chase Elliott. He should have won last year. The Penske tandem drafting, I think, kind of cost him to win last year. So I'm going to ride with old C-bell. The Toyotas are very strong at Kansas,

and hopefully they can repeat the same at Las Vegas. Lee, when you're heading to Vegas this week? When do I go? Friday. Friday. I've got to go to Road Atlanta first for, it's the Imsa finale, it's Petit Lamont. So, and they have their big state of the sport, like what's happening now, what's happening in the future with everything, from entries to new partners, sponsorship renewals. It's quite a big deal, so I'm lucky to be involved in that with the president of Imsa,

John Duhn, who's a really good dude and has drives on so much passion. And, you know, he first went to Road America with his dad. He grew up in Chicago, went to Road America as a seven-year-old kid to watch sports cars. And now he runs the biggest sports car series on the planet, which is he's such a great guy, really good story. Obviously, Imsa is owned by NASCAR, so he's part of the NASCAR family. And so as soon as I do that, then I'll wake up Friday morning and head to Vegas. Does Lee Diffy get an offseason? A little bit of one.

But not much because Supercross starts in the first week, you know, first week or first two weeks. of January. And this year, my offseason NBC have been kind enough to let me do this. I'm actually going to go back to Australia to the Super Cars finale, the BP Grand Final, where Austin Cindrek will be there and maybe Conno Zillich.

I think GM's behind the scenes trying to get him down there associated with a team and so maybe there'll be two NASCAR drivers making guest appearances there, so that'll be pretty cool. What, I asked this for maybe somebody in the other room I have a lot of friends that are breaking into the industry. Georgia Hennaberry is a very good friend of mine. I work with Georgia many times.

Andrew obviously, I like to give Andrew shit, but he did a phenomenal job dinner night on the pit road broadcast for PRN. What kind of advice do you give somebody that's trying to break into the sport like that, aside from don't do it? Kiss goodbye to your weekends for the rest of your life. Well, I think just be passionate about it. you know, passion and enthusiasm always wins out. So the two people you mentioned have a passion for this sport.

So you're already a step ahead of somebody who may not have been within the sport. That counts big time. Preparation, dedication. And I think trying to break in these days with shows like this, everybody, you know, you've got your iPhone there. You can do your own stuff. You can make your own product, you know, so much. easier now than you could back when I started like it was difficult you had to have a show

reel but how do you get a show reel if you're not on any shows or doing anything and you know just the self-recording and self-producing everybody is doing that anyway these days because of social media and that's going to help you you know advance down the road and then I've always been a big believer in andrew and Georgia are proof of this there are opportunities everywhere okay and there are the people who can acknowledge those opportunities, but there's very few who act on those opportunities. So you've got to do both. You can't just say, oh, there's an opportunity. That's great and not do anything about it and wait for the world to come to you. You've got to chase it. You've got to go hard. Andrew, did you read all that down? Oh, yeah. Luckily, he's been recording this.

Yeah. Yeah. He is producing. Weekend winners. Thomas, who do you want to shout out for the weekend? I mean, obviously we have SVG, Connor and Corey win the Austin Beers, winner. Ribahead was big. Yeah. TJ? T.J. DeKere. Winning the pro late mom? Did he win?

I didn't know who won the pro race. Yeah. That's a big one. And the big thing for Austin, you mentioned Austin, very tight point battle with Justin Bonsonior. Going to Justin Bonsignor's place that he dominates. This was kind of a race that I think them guys had circled as Austin's going to bleed some points here and he's going to have to get them back in the last two races.

And he goes out and actually gains. He wins the race, leads the most laps, does a really good job. I said, the only thing you did wrong, did you see. see him drive straight in the fucking backstretched wall leading the race by himself just comes up. Sometimes it happens there. Sometimes that happens, unfortunately. But no, obviously, Austin did a very good job.

Jared Fryer, won our late model stock race. That kid is just good, man. He races with us part-time and has won three races this year, like, insane. I've seen somebody, I think it was Corey Latham compare him to Dennis Setser. Like, somebody that's coming on later in there, like, just going to

all of a sudden he's there, man. Yeah. Andrew, got anybody you want to shout out winner-wise? Well, you know, Evan's not here. I know Evan's not here. I can see that. He's a Kyle Larson fan. I just wanted to give Kyle a shout out for being the highest finishing mortal of the race. Lee, anybody that's... That was mine because I don't think anybody's talking enough about Larson.

I think he is quietly sneaking his way. He hasn't won in 20 races now after yesterday. That's odd for him. And I just think the way that they've turned it around and but just very quietly. A lot of people, I'll let you come out of this, a lot of people call it some kind of Indy 500 hangover. Do you think there's any correlation there whatsoever? Well, he certainly says no, and the team say no. And ever since he was, I mean, I think it's a yearly tradition ever since ever, as soon as Knoxville is complete, he's a lot more singularly focused.

But I think the team's gone through a lot this year. And they are turning it around. And okay, we'd be talking about a whole different story yesterday if that rear ride of Van Gisbergin's blows and we're talking about Larson winning at the roval, back to back. And I think that team, and he are coming good at the right time of the season. Absolutely.

Mikey wins again, Stafford. Yeah. Five wins for him this year. Mike Christopher Jr. Puglio wins a championship. Yeah. There's a championship of Stafford. My buddy Adam Gray won the late model race and Paul Vrecchio won that championship.

Sheldon Honschild won the National Open at Williams Grove. with the world of outlaws. I do want to give a shout out to my buddy. Weekend winners. My buddy Dave DeRosey, you got to meet him yesterday, had the same exact type of cancer that you had.

Tongue cancer, is that what you? I mean, that's where it was. And he seems like seemingly beat it. So shout out to Dave for, you're probably the biggest weekend winner that I can give this week. So Dave's poor wife, Kelly, tells me she falls asleep,

listening to our voice. Well, Dave falls asleep listening to us and then she's stuck listening to us because he won't let her turn it off when he falls asleep. So she says, I get to hear you all the time. I was like, Kelly, I'm really sorry about that.

Who ended up winning the milk ball? I don't know. That I don't know. We can look it up. I apologize for that. I was trying to catch up on shit last night, but obviously I was a big house. You were drinking. I was a big house and shit was going haywire.

He's a little busy. Tommy, where are we going racing this week? Where are we? We are. We're at Vegas. I'll be in Vegas, but the kids race in Tri-County on Saturday. Both? Both kids.

Luke is pretty set on going for the championship at Wilkesboro. he's pretty much locked in. So, tri-county's just kind of like a warm-up. Just has to get through it. Yeah, get through it. And he's going to be racing

Ryan Newman and probably Pauly Hartwig for the championship at Wilkesboro and also going for the owner's championship in the pro-late model. It's only one point now, separated. Rick was asking me right after the pro race on Saturday if I knew what the points were

and I'm like, I'm not the one to be able to tell you that. He's got two championships in a couple weeks to go for us. Carson, you going anywhere this weekend? Nope. I get to park my ass. at home. I'm excited about that. We have a

test at Wilkesboro on Saturday, but I'm just going to go up there and show face and go back home. Tommy, I got to see modifides in the flesh at Loudon for the first time. Was that the first time you seen a modified race? I stood at the end of pit lane inside turn one watching him. It was awesome.

We need to have you call that race. That was a wild finish to that race. Who was the kid who won it? Tyler Ripkema won. Him and Justin Bondon. The wheel went flying. That was pretty I didn't realize that was the first time you had seen a modified.

That was great. They're the best cars on the planet. We'll take you to Riverhead. Oh, God. We'll have, you'll get a whole different. If we go, if we bring you to Riverhead, there's, it's not, you know, you might not even see the race cars. It's a, that's a show in itself at Riverhead.

We should take a D. And Bowman Gray. Yeah, Bowman Gray. Boma Gray is something else, too. But, uh. Why don't you take this show on the road? Because they won't let us go anywhere. We've done some at-track appearance stuff like this, but they, they, we are banned in about

37 states at this point. Thomas, we got a pretty fun event coming up. The old jail and bail. We're going to do it on October 22nd at Boatyard Eats. Somebody has signed us up to be lawyers. I don't know. That's terrifying. Are we qualified to be lawyers, you think?

Once every four times. I've done it, have the opportunity to do it. It's a lot of fun. It's going for a great cause. You know, it's all about some scholarship stuff provided for, I think it's, I think it's over 50 women that this, this thing has provided scholarships for over the course of its lifetime. So, kudos to the officials at NASCAR by. So it's for Brian Davis, who was an official. She unfortunately lost her life a number of years ago.

And they do this event every year to raise money for a scholarship to provide somebody to go to NTI every year. And it's only helping people grow in the sport. Yeah, I mean, more than just one. I don't think we've had it in a while. But kudos to all the officials are putting this together on their own blessing with, you know, they've been blessed with NASCAR of trying to help them out, but it's for a great cause.

We had a lot of fun the last one. I think it was myself, Bono and Slugger with the three lawyers at the time. So what do you guys do as the attorneys? So what happens is the drive, so there's going to be a number of drivers here. I'll run the whole list of drivers. You got Ryan Blaney, Alex Bowman,

Chris Buster, Chase Briscoe, Tim Brown, Austin Sinscher, Cole Custer, Matt de Benedetto, Austin Dillon, Noah Grexon, Todd Gillen, Austin Green, Justin Haley, Riley Herbs, Caden Honeycut, Joey Logano, Michael McDowell, B.J. McLeod,

some guy named Prey, I've never heard of, Nick Sanchez and Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. So these guys will all be there, and essentially, they've got to go before the judge. The judge is Larry McReynolds, and Larry will set bail, and it's our job to negotiate the bail essentially try to get their bail reduced,

or in some instances, I will try to get Priests' bail through the roof, so he's locked up in Boiard East all night long. So it's just a fun event. Everybody's going to come out, but you can go get tickets to this. I think they're at the moment. They're at a reduced price right now of only $50. And if you want a ticket, go to Techforce.org slash jail and bail. So that's where you get them.

Again, it's October 22nd, Boat Yard East, awesome venue for us. Just close to nine, right? 6 p.m. 9 p.m. And it's open to the public. 21 and over. 21 and over. You have to be 20. I'm sorry. Drink. There may be drinking involved. I would assume there's going to be maybe a little bit. You know, lawyers have an issue with that.

I can't pass the bar. I've got to be honest with it. Well, I think the bar will be where we are. So, yeah. I've never been able to pass a bar in my life. So I don't know how this is going to work out. Maybe I should go just in case you guys need bailed out of anything. No kidding. We need you as that. What's that? the court reporter. Yeah, yeah.

You can be the court reporter. But I mean, honestly, $50 to get to see these guys. I mean, there's a host of drivers. Some favorites. Some maybe you don't like, we can leave them in jail. Some good bands are going to be playing. It's going to be, uh, the day. 20 ride.

20 ride. 20 ride. 20 ride. So it's going to be a fun night. So if you get a chance, come on out, hang out with us and we'll be there. And I'm sure Tommy's going to probably all get us locked up at some point. So it'll be. I've had in the past.

it'll be a fun night but come on out again techforce.org slash jail and bail reduce price right now $50 a ticket come hang out. Lee, thank you again for joining us. I appreciate you come back. I know you had to change your schedule around a little bit to hang out with us today. So I really appreciate that. Thank you everybody for listening. Anything, any closing remarks? You want to send us off on anything? I mean, you're the king of closing a race out. So I mean, it's up to you. Well, let's just hope that we have these final four races. that are emblematic of the way this season's been. 14 different winners this year.

It's been a lot of variety. I just hope that we get some big finishes. And I just want to say thank you to everyone. Meeting the fans at the racetrack, my second year in NASCAR. I love being part of this sport, being in the sport. I've learned so much. I continue to learn. And I still haven't checked everybody off the list in the garage area.

I'm still meeting new people and learning. And it's been a blast. So thank you. Excellent. Thank you for joining us today. good to see everybody at the racetrack this weekend. A lot of people this weekend for sure. I saw a lot of Trey County too. We will see a bunch more in Vegas. So thanks for listening and we're out. Peace out. Bye.

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