Door Bumper Clear - Mark Martin: Wait, Tommy Baldwin Helped Cleetus Get Into NASCAR?

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

After a week off from the Cup Series and hopefully a Happy Easter (yes, even for you Denny Bros) — the Door Bumper Clear crew is back and joined by a Hall of Famer in NASCAR and on our guest list, Mark Martin! To start the show, Mark and the gang rehash all the happenings from this weekend's O'Reilly, Truck, & ARCA Series races at Rockingham. But first, Mark tells the story of how he once tried to hire Tommy Baldwin to be his crew chief. After that, we dive into some Spot On, Spot Off, where we cover: - Should the Cup Series go to Rockingham? - Where did Cleetus McFarland perform according to our expectations of him? - Why shouldn't Corey Heim be able to compete for the Truck Series Chase? In Reaction Theatre this week, it was short, but it packed a punch, with fans calling in to thank Mark how only they can, ask about Tommy's car warranty, and more nonsense as usual. Is it really S*** Show Hall of Fame if Connor Zilisch doesn't show up? Also, Mark Martin talks about racing in the rain, Tommy calls the SMART Tour race pathetic, and we all react to the massive pile-up at Port Royal. Lastly, we call out our Weekend Winners and tease our guest for next week - and you guys will never be able to guess who it is... See you then! Don’t forget to check out shop.dirtymomedia.com to get some Door Bumper Clear merch! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. What if we left all the spotters out of everything? That's a terrible idea. What page are we on? Why you cursed that? This is why I'm just you cursing to me. I think he's a whiny. That's what I think.

Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear, the Easter edition, I guess you could call it. I'm Freddie Kraft. I didn't spot for a single person this week. Yeah, you did. I had a different job.

He spotted for a lot of people. I went to a wedding over the weekend for our buddy, Doug, and Gina. But, yeah, that was my weekend. Tommy, what's up? Yeah, busy weekend. Luke had a really good Rockingham race in the truck, and modified race didn't go so good for him at the end there. Got punched up and jammed up.

And Jack ran his ass off, finished third, got wrecked like 30 to go, started last. drove right through the field, man. He did a good job. I think he's leading the points now, too. So it's good. It's good. Yeah. Carson, how was your weekend? It was great. Kind of like you didn't do a damn thing. Well, it sounds like you did some stuff. How was your Easter?

It was good. It was good. All of our families all over the place now. So it was kind of picking, like, piecemeal together who was around for Easter and who was going to be at dinner. But always get time and you get to be around family regardless. Joining us this week, one of our favorite guests to have on. I don't know. It's been probably a second or third time joining us. Mark the kid Martin. How are you, sir? Mark the kid Martin.

I'm excited to be on with you guys. I'm doing great. Yep. Indeed. How are you, sir? How was your weekend? So my weekend was good. No workouts. I laid around got fat. Me too. I think a lot of people laid around and ate chocolate all weekend. Good weekend to do it. Has things in the Mark Martin where I mean, I know you said you wanted to talk a little bit about Tommy and Carson before we got. that rolling here into the weekend. But how, you know, in general, how is things in the Mark Martin racing realm of the world? I see you pop up everywhere.

And nowadays it feels like and giving, you know, candid opinions like always. Yeah. Well, Matt and I both just barely have our noses above water. We're about to drown. We are so busy. There's so many things going on. And there's a lot of exciting stuff to come. But, you know, some of these projects have been five years in the making.

a year and a half in the making, two and a half years in the making. So there's a lot of things going on and they're all starting to combinate this summer. Like within the next four weeks, a lot of the shoes will start to drop. So we have really a lot going on. It's going to be going to be a lot of fun to share on social media. And, you know, we're just about worn out. We're run wide open. So I'm really grateful to all the fans.

they've made this journey so much fun with the archive that Matt started, Mark Martin Archive. And just having a really good time. One of the things that I wanted to share with the fans, though, about, first about Tommy. Oh, boy. Yeah. So we spoke on this before about Tommy almost was my crew chief for 04. When I drove for Jack Rausch, this is the way it was done.

Mark, go get a new tire changer. We need a tire changer. I'd go recruit one. They'd bring him to Roush. He'd want too much money. So then we'd just train one. Same thing with Tommy. It was go get you a crew chief.

Need a new crew chief. So my number one choice was Tommy Baldwin. I went, talked to Tommy. A new Tommy wouldn't want to come to work at Rouse Racing. But I talked to him and I talked him into it. $500 grand. Went to Jack and said, I got me a crew chief. Damn, Tommy.

Yeah, well, it was a going rate for a bad assline. That's true. And that's a lot of money in 1975. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, 75. So it was actually 2004, but it was a going rate for a top hot dog crew chief. But all, but we were running for teams right then and all our guys were making 250. So where I really missed up is I didn't say I'll pay the other half.

That's a award did. And let me tell you why I wanted Tommy Bobba and I should have paid it, but I guess I had my head in my ass. I wanted that guy that you play the video of where he's throwing his headphones off and saying I've had enough of you efforts. That was the guy I wanted. I needed that guy to stand there and fight for the sixth car because we had four other race teams, four other cars. You had Jack Roush, and I was used to getting what I wanted on the sixth car. And at this point, it became a democracy. I did not want a democracy.

I wanted what I wanted because that's what it took to go fast. Tommy Baldwin would have got that for me. I will love Tommy Baldwin forever for the person he was, the crew chief he was, and God, if I could have just had him fighting like that for that six car. It would have been fun. If you would have been a little cheaper, damn, Tommy. And so just so the fans know my affection toward Carson, you know, her fight in Victory Lane was so cool to me.

Man, that look she had when she turned and looked, what was that, Doug Barnes? That was, so the look is actually my sister, Kennedy. So we both get that true and honest. Okay. But we were both in there too, given the same. the same look, Carson, you just couldn't see on TV. Yeah, we were, I was in another position. So Carson is a product of, you know, two of my favorite people.

I watched, you know, I watched Kelly, the mentally, she's probably mentally tougher than anyone I've ever known to hold her family and be the keeper of her little family and to endure the things that she's endured. certainly makes her an absolute hero of mine and a total badass. And then Jimmy Eledge came on board in 1998. From 97, where we won, I think we maybe won four races or so, to 98, the only person on my team, I kept my spotter and Jimmy Finning as crew chief and maybe Dennis Ritchie, the truck driver. Everybody else was new. and Jimmy came on board. I think he was rear tire changer

and general mechanic road crew. And I learned what an incredible racer he was. And we had such an incredible race team. Sean Parker, I think, was the front tire changer. You know, we had Junior Paxton. That was an incredible race team. And by the way, we won the Winston and seven races that year and scored more point enough.

points to win the championship any other year, except that year where Jeff Gordon won 13 races and destroyed us. So what a good time, what a racer, what an amazing friend and time with Jimmy. So I just kind of want to share that for we got the show started. Sounds like I need to start punching to people. Sounds like Mark's getting very emotional in his old age. Oh, see, what I was hearing is apparently being a bad mofo. I just really... Back then you could get away with that a little bit, but, man, times have changed, you know?

You just, in the business world right now, you can't... You just can't do it anymore, man. Unfortunately, I hate it, but... Mark, what do you think about the races this weekend? Obviously, you saw first-time winner William Swalich, the O'Reilly race. I got it right on the first try that time. I'm pretty proud of myself. But as a whole, I thought, you know, a little tough to pass.

Not exactly the old Rocking and we remember. But, you know, as a whole, what did you think of that race? I thought it was great racing. It was so good to see race cars back on the track there again. I think the pavement will continue to age. I thought the race was good. I thought the pavement, you know, presented a good race and it will get better. But every year they go back there, it will get better and better and better.

It's such an incredibly awesome racetrack with those high banks and the way it is just an awesome thing to see either in person or on TV. I was happy to see William Swalach get that win. He has, his performance has not been there in that car. It's not been on the level that he's capable of. In other words, I know William is a better race car driver than that. and the results he's been able to be getting. So it was really cool. They managed to put it all together for that race,

and maybe they'll be able to continue that momentum. He's a fine young man, a great driver, and he should be a star in our sport. He just needs to, you know, keep racking off those wins and top fives. Oh, man, you know, Corey Hine, he is just, man. Unbelievable. Yeah, we're going to talk about him a little bit later about some of the more, you know, intricate stuff with the truck series.

But a couple guys, another Corey, I want to give a shout out to. Corey Day has, you talked about a couple weeks ago, ever since that helicopter was out there in the grass, he is kind of, I mean, and he didn't, I don't know where he ended up finishing because I know they had to come back and put some lugs on it, which in the moment, really good thinking by the crew chief to realize we can't get a penalty next week. We're missing lugs.

I know we're missing lugs, but we have the number one pit stall at Bristol. So we have to come back in and fix this now while we have the opportunity So we don't forfeit that Obviously buried him in traffic I don't know where he ended up finish and I was trying to look it up But I mean I thought he was the best car clearly early in the race Won both stages and I just feel like the last Like you said maybe month or so since Coda

Essentially when he got in the back of cars Connor That you know it's been he's been nothing but good Yeah I mean you see a completely different race car driver right He's just all of a sudden it's like a switch and You know again he's been he's been nothing He's not running into anybody, right? He's not hurting his car. He's keeping the performance in his car,

and the car is fast, and he's learning every week. He just keeps getting better. You know, it really looks like Gordon really had that eye for him, and it's going to start paying off here for sure. Yeah, Carson just told me he came back, finishing the top 10. So that was good for him. The other guy I felt a little bit bad for was cruisy, and this is kind of a crew chief decision,

and I thought this kind of showed you how the surface, how the cruciers were approaching the surface, because the 19 team decided it was more, they needed to have clean air versus four tires, essentially. You know, they put two tires on with 80-something laps to go in the race. You only do that because you're just so concerned about maintaining the lead that you already have. Obviously, it wasn't the right decision.

They lose the lead right on the restart, and then once you're in traffic, it just gets worse. Yeah, unfortunately, a couple of the trucks did it the day before. The nine truck did it and Gio did it. But Gio, again, it was coming to the second stage. It wasn't coming to the last stage of a long run. Well, I think, no, Gio, well, he did. But what would happen was he just rode around in the back and saved his stuff.

So he wasn't beating it up because there's only 20 laps to go until the second stage. And they put two on, jumped the line, which helped them a lot. But the nine car did it at the first stage and held on top five or six. But Cinnies a little bit different, right? It's, you know, when you're racing those guys and gambling like that, it's kind of hard with that many laps. I'm not too sure if he didn't think there was going to be a bunch of them, right? A bunch of guys that would do it, the guys that were running like 10th to 15th to jump them, and he was going to have a nice clean air for a while.

But unfortunately, it didn't pay off. He was the only one, I think, right? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Mark, how hard is that as a driver? Like, you're leading to race. You come down pit road, and they only put two on you, and you leave pit road, and you just got nothing before tires lined up in your mirror. How many F-bombs are you dropping on the radio at that point?

Not on the radio, but to yourself at least. Yeah, you know, it goes both ways. I've won races that way. But boy, I've been eating alive that way as well. And it's really tough when you get eaten alive. And you're not as rational as a driver. When you're busy and you're getting your, you're getting eaten alive, it's hard to think about it rationally.

It's more frustration. It's more frustration, you know, with your crew chief and with the whole set of situation than when you step out of it and you cool down and you look at it, you think about it a lot more rationally. So, you know, I see you just, that's the day we're, the day and age we're in, you have to make calls to try to get ahead of the group, even if it puts you at a disadvantage because I'm seeing more often than not, I see it work. Getting that getting out front and getting that clean air, that works.

Yeah, for sure. Talking about the end of the truck race, really good finish between Corey and Caden. Mark, as a driver, I wanted to ask you this. Either, you know, you're coming up on this guy to teammate. You raised a bunch of teammates in your career. You know, what are you expecting out of the 15 truck there? If you're one, either one of these guys, honestly,

if you're the one or the 15 approaching him, I mean, what are you expecting out of him in that moment? So you're talking about two different eras. If it would have been me in that truck, I would have, my spotter would have told me, that's the leaders coming behind you. And on the front stretch, I'd have dove to the inside and let off till the both went by. Because I wouldn't want to affect the outcome of the race.

That's not the day we live in. Everybody's fighting for everything. I, you know, I wish that he could have found a place somehow where it didn't affect the finish, but it did. And, you know, like I say, if it's me, I'm not, I got nothing to lose by getting out of their way. Only respect to be gained. And I don't know.

I don't know what respect really gets you nowadays in this era. Hurstman is hot. Oh, I'm sure he was at the, I heard he was up there yelling. Well, I mean, rightfully so. Who was? Tony Hirschman's possible 11. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't, I don't think it was the normal spotter for the 15 as well.

So that kind of, because of the off weekend, so that probably played a little bit of a role into it of not knowing what to do at that point. I think that, like you said, that plays a role because the normal spotter would have just said, get out of the way. You know what I mean? It would have been more forceful instead of the leaders are coming. It would have been, hey, you know, we're not, you know, you got much, I don't know what. I only watched the last 10 laps because I got back from the wedding. but the normal spotter would have said, hey, there's a gap behind these guys.

Just pull over, like Mark said, get down the front stretch, get to the bottom, let them go. You've got room to get behind them. The newer guys don't like to tell the driver what to do because they're not part of the team every week. So it's hard for them, but yeah, I think that played a role. But I think one thing that has to come out of this, I give Caden a lot of credit because I think it shows you

how much confidence he has this year because I think Caden in that 45 or 42 truck, whatever he drove last year, probably wrecks the 15 going for the win here because he's not, that might be my only chance to win. Now he knows how good his equipment is. That 11 truck is super fast. The wind's coming. It's just a matter of time.

He doesn't need to take those unnecessary risks and stupid moves and potentially wreck his truck. I think he's going to come out eventually with the point lead. The point leader right now is another story. But I thought that showed a lot of composure on Caden's part to not just go in there and wrecked the 15, trying to get, you know, back outside of the one and three and four. Also, he knows the overall. picture now, right? It's a whole different point system. It's not, you're not going, you don't have to win to be in.

He probably knew every situation in his head what was going on. And, man, that won an 11 truck, you know, I was up top. They were in a whole other planet all weekend. I mean, it just, it's not even close to the other trucks in the division right now. I mean, they haul ass. Good. I hope they trickles down to 17. I think was pretty good. I saw that you got, you got burned by that cost. I think came out in the middle of a pit cycle.

But yeah, Mikey was in the race. Luke was in the race had they do. I know you said Luke had a good day. Yeah, Luke did good. He's got some things he's got to work on. He's overdriving a little bit, saturating the tires. Hopefully he's going to get with some drivers this week to talk about it because he's racing Bristol this week.

And he definitely can't do that. I told him you do that in Bristol. You're going to end up in Wilkesboro. You know, he got to do that. And, you know, he ran good. You know, he probably had a solid, you know, for the team that he's driving for, right? trying to build a program.

I mean, let's face it, their 30th place team, right? And running the top, you know, 20th to 24th old day, I told me he probably took a 15th, 16th place truck and finished 21st with. I mean, if he did everything right. Mikey did awesome.

I mean, he had a fast truck. Mike Christopher Jr. He had a really fast truck. Again, he did, just like the first race he was in the New Hampshire, horrible, didn't do it, have a good practice, never been in a truck there, didn't qualify well, but about 50, 60 laps in the race, he was hauling ass.

And look, man, he's a good race car driver. He deserves to be in that series. Hopefully, you know, him and Luke can, we can find money and keep building. Yeah, Mark, I mean, I know you watch just about every damn thing out there racing-wise. How important is it to you? You see a guy, which, you know, obviously we talk about Luke. You take an underfunded team. And could that show your talent maybe more so than just taking a fast truck and running well?

it. If you could take a team that's trying to build or, you know, I don't want to call it mediocre stuff because it's not mediocre stuff. It's good stuff. But the team's building, you know, if you can run better, like I feel, I talked to Luke on Saturday morning or Friday morning and I said, man, just take what it gives you, right? I mean, if the truck is a 20th place truck today, just run 20th and don't get a scratch on it, instead of trying to run 10th and wrecking it, you know? So is that how you not approach, I mean, mostly your career? Just take what it gives you basically? Well, I think you have to. When you don't have money to buy your way to the top,

What you've got to do is overperform in your equipment. And that's exactly, I mean, Luke has the best coaches in the world, and he's got a crap load of talent. So, you know, he's going to be fine. And that's what he needs to do is overperforming his equipment. And he will do that. And he can do that easily. But he needs to bring it home in one piece.

I relate that to Honeycutt. You know, I think that one of the things about him is that he, you know, he and his dad worked on their own stuff too. I think this is really important. I see photos and clips of Luke working on race cars. Dude, that's important to care about the whole thing. When it comes right down to it and you have to race a guy that's going to run you over, you need to be prepared to run that guy over.

But you don't need to be the guy peeling people off the front of your race car and getting in Rex every week. You need to be the guy that races the other people the way they race you, because you might get lucky and earn their respect, and then, you know, that spreads. So kudos to Caden. And, you know, I love, I love Luke. I have a real soft part in my heart for the guys who build their way up. You know, I'll tell you another guy that I love watching is LeVar Scott.

Levar can drive. Man, he's got, he's got skills, you know, that are unbelievable. And he's another one that's driving in, in, let's say, midpack equipment. And he's just got to bring them home, not tear them up and eventually overperform. And if he does that, then the next door will open. And we guys like Tommy and I love seeing that process. Yeah. Another guy, we talked about him last week, I'll talk about it this week.

because he qualified top 10, ran top 10 on the race again, Parker Retzloff in that Viking car. I mean, the kids just got it. You know, like, it's another way, you know, he's another, like Mark said, Caden. Like, every time he gets in something, it goes fast. But let me tell you, because he spent a couple years out of the spotlight. Yeah. Right? He spent a couple years learning, right?

Doing stupid shit, doing, making mistakes, doing stuff. Now he's in a really good race car, and he's taking all that stuff from the past. that he learned and he's applying it, right? Instead of just jumping in something that's really good and making all the mistakes. I mean, we did the same thing with priests. Yeah. I mean, you know, when me and him got in the car,

we drove down to South Carolina, went to Johnny's team there, and I mean, priest didn't have hardly any money, right? We made a deal with him. We're going to run the whole year. Priest was pissed. He's like, man, I don't know what I'm getting out of this. I'm like, you're going to get a year's worth of education. So when something happens, you're going to take advantage of it, right?

You're going to learn getting on pit road to all these racetracks. You're going to learn about You're going to learn about who you race and how you race people. You're going to learn about you travel. You're going to learn about all those things. So finally, when you have something to take advantage of, you're going to excel at. And that's exactly what Ryan did. He put the deal together with Gibbs, first race.

What do you do? Went out and won, right? So it's an education. It's not just people just think you just pay you way in. You're going to do good. It's just not like that. It's just a whole other world out there that you got to teach these kids. Yep, I agree.

Facts. Any news before we roll into spot-on, spot-off? I think we're going to cover a lot of it in the... I mean, Corr the Joy is going to run the 10 truck the rest of the year. He ran good. They moved down to die. Yeah, he... Top 10, right?

Yeah, yeah. And actually, I heard his comment after the race, and I thought about it, and we're going to do the same thing. Take the same truck that Luke raced and Rockingham run at Bristol, you know, because they learned about it. They know the setup. They know the stuff. So he made a lot of sense there because we're kind of in the same boat as those guys.

you know, not a lot of good trucks in the fleet because, you know, they had to hurry up and build, they haven't built any new trucks, that whole Dodge program. And all they did is buy used stuff from everybody, you know, they're a winner from all different kinds of teams and just trying to put this together so quick. And you're going to see that program, you know, in the years come to get better because they're going to build new trucks and so what. So I thought Corey did a good job. That was, I think, the first solid top 10 for their,

team, right? And he ran, he ran good. Didn't he say that he didn't want to run a lower series just for the sake of having a job? He said he had another kid all of a sudden he had another bill and he decided I need to make some money. He's got to pay the bills, man. Fair enough, fair enough. One thing to think about though with Corey is

this could be an opportunity that grows legs. Yeah, absolutely. He's not stupid. I mean, yeah, he did say what he said about the lower series, but this could, this could be the opportunity to get in the door to carry forward. With the right people.

Yeah, absolutely. Corey's a very smart individual. He'll be fine. How did the smart to a race was pretty good this week. Absolutely pathetic. Pathetic. Oh, really? Pathetic.

I didn't get to watch it because I was pathetic. Guys just have no respect, man. Mark said it earlier. Just no respect. It's a shame. That's when it trickles down from the top. If you see it at that level, you think it's okay to do to your level. Yeah, but it just pisses me off because it hurts the overall

product, right? It hurts the show. It hurts the series. It hurts because drivers just not paying attention. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. Spot on, spot off. The Cubs series should oh wait, no, the Cubs series would put on a good race at Rockingham and should be

added to the schedule. Spot on, spot off. Mark, what do you think? Spot on. I'd love it. I'm spot off. I'm spot on eventually. I think Mark touched on this earlier. I think we need to let the surface wear out more. You know, for me, I think the cup cars now, we saw how hard it is to pass this weekend. I feel like I saw guys in the race. You would pass a guy. The next guy would be a straight away ahead of you. You'd run that guy down in five laps, but then you'd be stuck there trying to pass them for 10 or 15 laps when you're clearly you know three four tenths better than him so I think before we take the cup cars there

I think we need to give the track some time to wear out get us back to closer to what you know Mark used to race on that because the racing at the Rock at Rockingham used to be maybe the best on the schedule you know tires would wear out you know we so I think we need to figure out because listen it's hard to pass in

Xfinity or O'Reilly and truck it's going to be really hard to pass in the cup car so we would need to find the right package and you know but I think the surface needs to wear out a little bit more before we go back with the cup cars. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I'd like to see like an All-Star race there maybe, you know, to see what we got going on. You know, I think the cup cars would be running the wall in one and two.

Maybe three and four, too. I mean, eventually, you know, you can do some work, some grit work up there, obviously, right? And bring a soft enough tire for it to wear out and you won't have an issue. There's a lot of heat built up in those tires. So it's kind of got to be careful there because of the speeds and everything there. So I'd like to see the All-Star race there to start. That would be a good conference because I was getting ready to say, like, Mark, it's easy to say, you know, everybody's like, we want to go back to Rockingham.

Great, yes, let's go back to Rockingham. Well, with addition comes some traction. What do you take it off to give us back Rockingham? Maybe the All-Star race is the perfect example. Yeah, yeah, definitely a problem for finding a way to put a points race there. And I agree with you 100%. You don't want to go there too soon and, you know, before it's completely ready and then have a dud of a race. So, but Tommy's right.

You know, once they get where they can run up high and run the bottom, that place would be insane. The racing would be insane once they got running top and bottom and middle. It would be phenomenal watch on television, you know, and I think right now it's got it's got its little niche. I think the rock kind of gets highlighted this weekend without cup there. You know, you put on two good races, three good races, honestly, with the Archer race there too. And, you know, just let that be the highlight of the weekend until we can figure out what we want to do with the cup cars there. Absolutely. All right, Cletus McFarland exceeded expectations in his first O'Reilly Auto Part Series race.

He finished 32nd, had a total of four incidents. And he says he got his ass kicked in that he'll see us in two weeks. Tal'Dega. I think he's going to see us before then. The best, the best thing about Pleitas is, is interviews. I mean,

dude, if he, I mean, at least he's coming out and saying, oh, this is way harder than I thought, you know, and all that.

I mean, he's fantastic. That's all fantastic. As far as the race goes, he didn't exceed my expectations. I expected him to run about like he ran. He had a lot of assets, going into that, you know, with the test and all the people that were surrounding him and helping

him. And I said on social media yesterday, yeah, you know, this place is a lot harder than Daytona, eh? And it is. Dude, you don't have any idea how, what it takes to run in the middle or the latter part of the pack at Rockingham. So it was a tremendous challenge. He, He still got over his skis multiple times, but his driving talent saved it. Many other drivers were to wipe that car out in some of those slides and events that he had. So, you know, I give him credit for that. I think he can drive.

He's just got to learn to drive these cars on these tracks. Yeah. I think he can drive. He's got to learn how to race essentially is, you know, listen, I thought he exceeded my expectations in the Archer race. You know, I wasn't expecting him. I figured he'd run top 10 like he had been, ran top five. Your buddy squirrel, he ran top 10.

And like I think those guys are perfect for that series. Like that's ideal for them. Like Mark said, I think he met my expectations in the O'Reilly race. I don't think if you were expecting him to do much more than that, you were kind of foolish. Obviously, you can't say this after the fact. Luckily, the 25 wasn't there. Yeah, he wouldn't have made the race. He wouldn't have went home.

He maybe tries a little harder in qualifying if the 25 is there, which who, knows if that would work that well. But, you know, the, he, he accomplished what he needed to do in the middle part of the, of course, you see poor decision making again, right off the jump, dives, bottom of three wide on lap three, like the only thing you can't do in this race. And he crashed early. And he said, he goes, I lost my mind. I blacked out. I just drove in there and almost wrecked. And he's like, so, but from that point to, you know, the rest of the race for a little while, you didn't hear from him. And that is ideal for what he was doing on Saturday. Like, just, if you're, if we don't know you're out there, obviously they're going to remind us you out there.

We don't usually hear about the 33rd place guy that's three laps down, but you saw him on TV a couple times more than you would normally. But that's good. That's what he's what he's there for, essentially. But, you know, he did that, the middle part of the race. I felt like he kind of just laid low. He was just kind of getting lapped and staying out of the way. I wasn't there.

I haven't heard anything from the spotters like that he was in the way by any means or anything like that. So, you know, I think he accomplished what he needed to. And then at the end, obviously some shit went down where he was on old tires and been battling through after a couple other spins. But I think all in all, he kind of accomplished what he need, ran most of the laps. And I think he ended up, I don't know, six laps down or something like that. But he finished the race, ran almost all the laps.

I mean, is that not what we were hoping for, at least? Yeah, cleanly. Exactly what we've been saying. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he did well. I mean, he took a top five team, right? Would have went home, six laps down, finished 30 second, spun out four times. He did good.

Yeah, he did good. Yeah, it's good. Dead. I mean, let it rip. No, I just, he did good. He's good. Yeah, he's great. Listen, the problem is he, yes, that is a waste of a very good race car because he's, he's, you could put him in almost anything he's going to run the same.

You know, like in that where he's at there, he's going to run in the same position in whether it's an RCR car, whether it's a 25 car that's not racing right now. whatever it is, like he's going to run essentially in the same place, I think. But, you know, so I know that's where your frustration comes in. I'm not frustrated. I just, I just, you sound pretty frustrated. No, not at all. I mean, look, you know, I don't even think I've told anybody. I mean, I probably was one of the biggest proponents of getting him that Ocker ride two years ago.

I don't know if anybody remembers, but Biffel put out a thing on his Facebook page that Cletus was looking to get into Arica, which is exactly where you're supposed to, where you want to start with his experience. He should start at the car's tour, actually. Well, I don't know about that. And I seen Greg... Zibby?

No, Biffle. Oh, Biffle. At Lowe's, I think it was a Saturday morning. I just left Rett Racing, because we were talking about some other stuff, and he told me that Daytona was open still. And I told Biffle, I said, hey, you know, I've seen him in a parking line.

I said, I went over and got it. And I said, I just want to let you know. I've seen your thing. You know, that ride is open. It's a good ride, and he can go test. He can go do it. Oh, you know, Biffel was like, oh, hell yeah. And he just left.

He got on the phone. And I think he said he was going to drive over there. So, look, I don't have, again, this is not about Cletus. Right? It's about the process. And, you know, I just think it's just, again, it's, to me, this is business. This is not. And I understand it's about.

entertainment. I understand about all that. But when you're in the business part of it and you see what's going on and you see what really needs to be done, it's, I don't know. It's hard to... I'm going to be curious to see what happens Tuesday, tomorrow, on the approval process for Talladega. I think they're going to make him run Kansas if I had to guess. Mark, the biggest troubling thing for me in the race with him was not the, you know, I know he had like three half spans. He spun out one time. they play his in-car audio at one point, and he tells us that he's having a conversation with his spotter,

and he's essentially saying that he didn't know what inside meant. And that, to me, is, basic racing 101. And that's why I kind of lent myself to saying that he needs to run ARCA because it's not so much that he needs to learn how to drive, because like you said, he knows how to drive. He leaves to learn how to race. He needs to learn the basics of our sport.

Like, they don't know what's going on around them. You know what I mean? Like, he knows how to get in and go. And that's the problem. That's what I'm saying. It's not like, it's not Cletus. It just, this is not about him. This is about the process.

It's about the learning curve. It's about, you know, it's like being in seventh grade and decide you're going to be a, go to college. Right? It's the same type of thing, right? It's like, or a CEO of Hendrickcars.com, right? It's just like. You're skipping too much. You just, you got to go through the process.

And it's not like, it's not hate on Cletus at all. It's just, you have to go through the process to learn, right? To learn these things, like you said, Freddie. It's like, I don't know if you, are you going to sit here and tell me another guy would have not spun out four times? Yeah, no, we don't know. Come on. I mean, it's just like you've got to learn.

You got to do it in an arc. You got to understand car control. You got to drive a late model. You got to do these things. to understand all this stuff. Go run a thousand laps at his track, right? That, Tommy, that's exactly, you know, the point is, you know, he should have won a bunch of late model races first.

I'm going to say if you win the snowball derby that you, you've just wrote your ticket, you know, you can go straight to an O'Reilly race, I say, you know, if you can win the snowball derby or the Winchester 400 or something like that. But so everyone traditionally feels like, you know, he should have had more time. Should have had more time in Arka because that's an easy place to learn where it's not a hornet's nest. Dude, to run 25th in a rally race, and you know this, Tommy, it's worse than running in the top 10. Yeah. It is a hornet.

It's hard. It's hard. And right now, Mark, this 25 good trucks and, And O'Reilly car is in the field now. You look at the list. You look at the drivers. You look at the teams now. Those two series are getting just as hard as Cup now.

They are because there's no more room up anymore for a while with these cup drivers, right? Being in it, they're both feeding, right? They're feeding right in what needs to be done. And there's so much talent in those series right now. It's unbelievable. Right. Yeah. My biggest fear is still really.

remains that, you know, Mark, I know we talked about it earlier before the show started, and there's, this is nothing new. People would show up at Daytona and Taladega. And like you've said, and I agree with you, those are the easiest places to go out and make laps at. But my fear is going to be, he's going to get approved for, if he's going to run Kansas unless he does something really, really, really, should be approved because he did what he did. Yeah, he did what he was, he checked all the boxes this week. He had a couple little incidents. Never didn't lock the car up, didn't ruin anybody else's race, which is all you're really hoping for. But when we get to Talladee he's going to be in a really fast race car.

He's probably going to qualify in the top 10 or better. And then you're going to put them in a pack around, you know, truck racing is one thing with plate racing. When you get in that O'Reilly car and we start plate racing, it's a whole other world from truck racing even. So, Mark, that was always my biggest fear is it's the easiest place to race. But now that you're going to be in fast stuff, you know, we already have a little bit of history with the truck race. You have to hopefully he just approaches that. O'Reilly race a lot better than he did the truck race once he is approved. Even though he's going to be in a fast car and qualify well, he's going to have to find a safe

place to cut even if he could run up there, start up there. But once he realizes, holy shit, because he said it when he got out of the car the other day, I was over my head. I was way over my head. So I think he's got to realize that and just say, all right, maybe approach it like Pastrana, did the truck race. Like, I need to ride in the back here, save my stuff, save my race car. At the end of the race, I'll go up there and try to see what I can get out of a, you know,

top 10, top five. knows he may, I mean, if there's not enough cars left with as fast as car is, he could win the damn race, but he's got to be there at the end. See, that's the thing. There won't be, you know, there won't be near the cars at the end of the race. So if he just uses his head and rides around toward the rear of the thing and he gets through all, all of that, then when it comes time to go for the checkered flag, hey, man, half the field's not a tour up or out. So, yeah, I mean, he can have a great showing. at Teledga, he'll use his head.

But, golly, lap five in the truck race of Daytona, lap three, you know, I mean, I'm going to tell you, if he's not an incredible race car driver, he doesn't save that car on lap three. And he blew his whole deal. I mean, his whole deal for running Rockingham was for one thing, stay out of the way and don't get in a wreck. That's all he had to do.

And on lap three, he almost blew the whole deal. Yeah, I mean, in qualifying, I think he was, what, 1.7 seconds? I didn't see it. I know off of his teammate. Yeah. Okay. That's the difference of knowing what's going on. Talladega, he's going to be within a tenth of his teammates.

He's going to be up there, right? So it's not him at Talladega. It's going to be the car that's going to create the speed. Yeah. That green flag drops. then it becomes him, right? Then it becomes all his knowledge and everything he's learned up to this point. Has he learned enough up to that point to take advantage of what he's trying to do?

That's my, that's what I'm asking, right? What is he, what is his end goal? Is his end goal just doing this and having fun and making a lot of content and doing the things and generating viewers? That's great. but you got to also respect the whole process and the people around you and are... Which I think he... I think he wants to.

Yeah, I think he wants to. But as we saw on Saturday, sometimes the all-out bald eagle lumply fly comes out of them and he wants to make that move. And that's what we have to... He has to harness in if he wants to gain everybody's respect. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I know you guys could talk about Cletus all day.

I'm going to move us on. Hang on. I want to give one more shout out. Mark's allowed to. The rest of these two. One more shout out. I just want to give Rajah Karutha another shout out. I was late getting on board with Rajah.

I had no idea what an incredible young, you know, dedicated young man. He is unbelievable work ethic. And he gets out and he gives the best interviews. He always takes ownership. for everything that he might do wrong and some of the things that he didn't do wrong. And that's what you want to see instead of these guys getting out saying, whether somebody else's fault or I did what I had to do, you know, I like Roger. I think he's a superstar.

Yeah, he is really, really great. It's always a pleasure to pass him in the hallway around here at J.R. Yeah, he was a kid that always, he would be on the roof before he was running, I think he was running Arca, and maybe even just late models, but he would be on the roof at just about every race we went to and would stand next to either me or Lambert or whoever and just ask questions all race long about what we're saying or he's scanning or whoever he's scanning he's asking them why why they're giving the information they give later and reaching out during the week he was just a kid that was

like a sponge because he got a late start and the fact that he's running as well he did but his little experiences he has is really impressive over the off season he was even here like even long before the announcement happened he was here at jrm I swear I saw him almost every single day like just here hanging out with the people getting to know as new team members and things like that. So, all right. I'm actually really excited to hear y'all's opinions on this one. If Corey Heim finishes the season in the top 10 in points, he should be eligible to race for the truck series chase. Spot on, spot off.

Freddie. I'm going to say spot off because rules are rules and people would approach things differently, I think. But it's still, I mean, it's not going to happen because I don't think he's going to run enough. races to be in the top 10 at the end of the year. He's kind of front-loaded this schedule, and I don't know that he's going to, he may be adding more from the rest of the year, maybe, but it's still. It's incredible, man. It's ridiculous that he's got two less races, two less races, two less races, Mark, and is

leading the truck series points right now. I mean, how impressive is that? I mean, just on itself, we talk about how great this kid is, but how impressive is that to just have two less races and be the series point leader. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And I'm kind of like you, the rules are the rules. I don't understand the rule. I say if you score enough points to be in the top 10,

you ought to be able to run, but the rules are the rules. So they made those rules, I think, for a different reason. And all that all the way goes back to the winter circle back in the 70s, which was payout money when they had to get people to sign a contract that said that the Wood brothers would show up at every race, for example, instead of cherry pick. I think it's outdated. Yeah, for sure. I mean, and they had it for the, like, the chase because they were worried about guys coming in and winning one-off races, which we all thought was impossible until SVG did it.

But, you know, but, you know, that's why they had that rule. And now I think you can kind of get rid of it. The only thing I would say is, like, from a series perspective, I guess, like, when it comes to, like, Mark's point the payout and things like that, like, you want to reward those that consistently are, you know, they're supporting and racing every week. But then at the same time, that team technically is all that. the time. You know what I mean? So I kind of could go either way on it, to be honest. It's, it's... Oh, he's driven for two different teams, right?

No, it's the same team. Same team, two different trucks. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But TriCon is there every week competing, even though Corey isn't. But what he is doing is he's helping the owner's points for those trucks, which pay out money at the end of the year as well. So I think it's 50-50 in the trucks. I have no idea.

They pay 50% of the owner's points fund, and 50% goes to the drivers. So he is helping one side of it. Yeah. And Mark, I wanted to ask you this. Is Corey not the best example of our business model is broken when it comes to the drivers? And like the fact that this guy doesn't have a full-time ride somewhere? It is. But, golly, you know, I also say it's okay to have to wait.

I mean, yeah, I agree 100%. He should have a full-time cup ride. but he will have it's in the it's going to happen and he's gracefully waiting his turn so i think that's good another thing that we didn't mention is you know you don't ever talk about making money anymore but when i came along uh it was important if i finished tying a good paying race that meant something well cori has just cashed in yeah you know let's not you know uh overlooked the fact that they, you know, won, what, 150 grand bonuses in the last two races.

Yeah, for sure. And you were talking about the business. We saw it this week. Nick Sanchez sits home because, you know, that team kind of is going through some tough times. Well, that was, Nick Sanchez doesn't have a ride this year strictly because of money. Somebody came in, took his ride because that guy had more money. And you look at, you match up what Nick Sanchez did at this point last year. And what that guy is a driver.

Patrick Starpoly is doing up to this point in the same car. Nick had four top tens at this point last year Patrick's averaging like a 20 second place finish you know so Tommy or Mark I can't you got to help me understand at what point does the business model flip to where it can't It won't

But I'm just saying it's like you're You're taking more money But you're not getting Return on your investment You know like there's no money coming in I don't know how it's the big Is the window that big That you're never going to make it back

By putting a good driver in your car versus taking an extra $2 million. No, and every time you gamble on that, saying, man, we're going to do better and we're going to run good, the money. Shit happens. Yeah. And shit happens.

And plus 90% of the time the money doesn't come and you're out of business. That's the real problem. It's the money doesn't come. Right. You know, you win all that stuff, but you still don't get the money. And there's not enough purse money to make up for. Exactly. I mean, I've said it numerous times.

and the O'Reilly series is the worst business model out of all three series. Yeah. Most of it's because, unfortunately, it's because of the engine program. And I mean, it's a $900 million investment every year, maybe a little bit more on some other manufacturers just to put the key in the door. That's the engine bill, right? It's, that's, so, you know, they, they, I think they run enough races. I don't think the truck runs enough races, but, you know what I'm saying?

It's just, it's hard, man. the business model is hard. And again, that's what Michael Jordan was fighting for in the cup side of it. You know, during all the fights last year, it's just like we have to be able to self-sustain of what we have without finding having a sponsor. The sponsorship should be added bonus to us, right? It should be what so we can invest and build better race teams and build better tools and doing this stuff.

A lot of the teams are just getting enough, getting by every week, right? And you're seeing the 30 team shut down, right? The O'Reilly's thing, the 25 shut down. The five cars are going to take a couple weeks off, right? It's just, it's hard. It's you're putting your key in the door with a dream. So to your point, Freddie, I get 100%. I'm 100% with you.

Unfortunately, it's never going back. It's like, I mean, it's never going back. And, you know, I think back to 1980. I ran the full schedule with an open trailer, a cube van, and two race cars. You could do it then. And you could afford to hire a great driver, like Samard or Tommy Ellis or something.

But it's a different world we live in now, and unfortunately, you can't put that back in the bottle. You can't put this expensive racing vehicles and operation back in the bottle. one thing I wanted to ask you about as somebody that spent, I mean, damn near all of your career driving for Ford. How it's, it's interesting to me. You talk about the 25 now not showing up. The five is going to take a break.

I think it's coming. That's going to leave no Ford's in the, in the O'Reilly field at all. You know, the 25, I think, was going to be the only full-time one. And they took a week off now. They're supposed to be coming back. I don't know if they are or not. But, I mean, how crazy is that, Mark, to see there's not any participation at that level? So my experience with Ford is they've always been super tight with the purse, really tight with the purse, even though they were in, you know, when I was in the purse says in pocketbook, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they were, they were tight with it. They did not, you know, I don't know what their level of help for Jack Rosh or the Wood Brothers was or even Robert Yates. but they have not invested in up-and-coming drivers, for example, even like Chevrolet. Chevrolet doesn't do a broad program like Toyota does. Thank goodness for Toyota for their driver development program is absolutely spectacular. But Chevrolet does a very targeted program. Tristan McKee is a product of that.

He's going to be a superstar in NASCAR, that kid. So they don't spend as much, but they do a heavy target on the right ones. Ford just doesn't invest. And right now it looks like they're even less. They're probably shifting their money toward F1. I don't know. I'm an outsider looking in. But I can guarantee I was a Ford contract driver for 23 years.

And I felt like that the reason we were less favored, we being Ford's, were less favored than other manufacturers is because they participated less in, you know, outside of, they spent less money outside of what they did for their teams. All right. DBC fans, it's time to react. All right. It is time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions

from this weekend's races. I would assume we probably have a light. I would assume so. One of them today. Hey, Mark, I hope you know, even though you're not racing with my accent, on the side of your car. That's this playoff system, you got everybody ripped off of that day that they announced it. We love you, Mark.

Yeah, man. Yeah, that sponsorship was something else. My wife had took a lot of grief from her family over that and there's lots of jokes about it. There's a lot of good things came of it. We made them do focus heavily. on men's health. They gave free health screenings to any fan that wanted to the entire season. They brought a tractor trader to the racetrack.

We did men's health. They did TV commercials encouraging men to go to the doctor and get regular checkups because the guys don't do that. The women do. And there's a reason why the guys don't last as long as women do. There were a lot of good things about it. It was a fantastic. It was a record-setting NASCAR sponsorship.

ship. In 2001, it was the most money that we'd seen. And I got a race. So, well, can you say that? You got to raise both ways. Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad I can watch this fucking truck race. It ain't on fucking TV. I'm watching either poker or so. Was it truck race on an FS1? I guess he couldn't find it.

Yeah. Yes, he couldn't. FS1, dude. I watched it on FS1. It's just basically the same place I watched all of them, right? Yeah, yeah. He was, maybe, maybe he was with us this weekend.

Hello, Tommy. I was told this is Tommy's number. I would like to talk to you about your car's extended warranty. Give me a call back at your convenience. That's good. That was pretty funny. Too gonna be better than me, Tyrol! We're gonna have to give him an eight-

Hellup by. It's a big Cory the Joy fan. Yeah. Hey, Corey's stacking pennies like it always is. Fuck it. I've seen enough. Put Cleetus in the 48 cup ride next year. Oh, man.

Listen, it's going to be interesting to see how far this goes. I would not cross the 2027 Daytona 500 off the list yet. Yeah. I think he said he wasn't. Oh, he, that was not. that, no. I think again, and listen, I see this keep coming up. Like, people were like, what would you say if Richard Childress called you? First of all, yes, it's a dream for anybody to do that, but I would say, no, I am not ready to do that. I don't think, I mean, first of all, my fat

ass can't get in the window. Second of all, I don't need to be out there with guys that I'm not ready to race around. And third of all, Richard Childress did not fund Cletus, McFarlane. Well, I'm just saying, whoever, people are like, you would take the opportunity. Well, no, I Last one. My girlfriend's been whining and complaining all weekend saying something about, oh, you can't find the Cletus. You can never find the Cletus. I don't know what she's yapping about.

Baby, he's on track at Rockingham right now. Dang. Perfect with the Viagra. Yeah. We're hitting all cylinders now. Jesus. All right. Well, to leave an audio message.

or maybe not, 24-7, you can call our number at 704-802-9-572. And we'll play the best ones each week on the show. Shit shows, besides y'all at that wedding, do you guys have any friends? We were not a shit show. We were well, back. I cannot believe Doug cried. Well, of course he cried. Gina didn't, though.

She didn't cry. There was some tears. There were some tears. Wait, you were, you officiated their wedding, right? Because Tommy bailed? Tommy bailed, yep. So I did the... How was it?

That was good. You did a very low key. There was just, I think there's a media family. I don't know. Maybe 10 people there. Immediate family and Freddie. And us, yeah, me and Meg. And then we went and had party the next day.

And the party was exactly what you would expect. Love that. We partied on Thursday. And then we did a party on Friday. Then we had a party on Saturday. I was like yesterday. I'm coming home. Yeah, I was texting Meg Saturday like midday.

And I, because I was going to text you. And I forgot you guys weren't racing that week. And I was like, Freddy gets pissed off when I bother him. while he's spotting, but turns out he wasn't spotting. He was just hammered, so thank God I texted Meg anyways. Yeah, I saw there as a big wreck at Port Royal off the start of their, I think they had their regular season opener this week, which, by the way, shout out to Anthony Macri.

He looks like he's going to be laid up for a while. Just another one of those wrecks. Oh, oh. Parking lot. I mean, it looked like the wreck started like row two or three and then the entire field piled into it. He hit the inner wall there. Oh, we got pushed into it.

Oh, that's tough. Yeah, so the big, just a huge track. Obviously, we'll tag all these onto our dirty mo account so you can find them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're in the YouTube description if you're watching this on YouTube right now. The link to the 30 Mo social page is where you want to find it in the YouTube. But yeah, so this, that was a big one. What else we got?

Super Formula rainy near miss. Oh, so we got a guy driving around in the rain. Can't see. You can't see a damn thing in front of them. A lot of mist. Oh, shit. Oh, my Lord. Oh.

Honestly. He went through there and shit his pants. That's a Tuesday on 77, to be honest with you. Mark, did you do much racing in the rain? A couple times did Daytona 24 hours. And then Suzuki in 97, the whole day was practice day was rain. And we qualified in the rain. It is so freaking much fun.

Really? I feel like everybody's like, you know, they talk about, Oh, they can just let them race in the rain. And I'm like, it's not so much about, like, traction and grip as it is. You can't fucking see where you're going. Yeah. That is. You're exactly right.

It's visibility is the problem. Connors. Did you guys see the video of Conner's Village and Priest doing the, I saw the luge or whatever at the Olympics? I saw Priest. I didn't see Connors, which Connor, oh, God. Bro, I almost texted him and said, you probably just gave so many girls the ick. You're trying to say Connor's not ultimately coordinated. No, look at him.

Look at him right there. Does he look coordinating? You got to keep Connor away from anything, any tools. He's got to be sitting down. No, no silverware, no tools, no sports. Just put a steering wheel in his hand. Put a helmet on. Let him sit down.

He's got to sit down to perform his greatest task. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yes, he did look a little quirky there. What else we got? And we've witnessed Precet Kickball golf and golf.

He's no better. He's not a lot better. The good race car drivers not very good. No. No. What we got here? This is Priests.

Oh, this is Preas's right? Yeah, this was... Does that say 41 miles an hour? The fact that he's... Filming this himself was another problem because it's on his helmet, right? I just assumed it was him

holding the camera up because he's an idiot. It looks like you're going through the conveyor at TSA. He's running to the bottom. Aren't he supposed to be up on the track? He's on the apron. That's cool, though. Smart mods, I'm sure. Smart modifies might be 30 minute video.

Yeah. No, it's embarrassing. Shit show. So the smart modifies, I think we end up. We put Port Royal on there. We'll put that near miss. the smart mods and Connor and Ryan. Maybe just Connor because Connor looks really way more quirky than

Connor loves to show up on this list. Yeah, Connor. He loves this list. Maybe it's the Connor Zillage Shit Show Award this year, not Chris Wright? Who knew the guy? Who knew the guy that fell out of his race? Hey, Luke and Chris Wright battled all day, man. Hey.

Didn't run in each other once. That's good. Oh, God. Could you imagine if Luke and Chris Wright would have gotten an accident? Chris Wright would have wrecked Luke? the way that Tommy would be on this show this morning. Oh, he's in a good... Chris is in a good truck.

You can check out the nominees for our shit show in our YouTube description, and then also don't forget to vote in a poll on Dirty Mo Media's X account. All y'all are throwing your papers everywhere. I was looking at this thing, it says episode 404. I thought it's an error 404. It is error 404.

That's what I want to name this podcast. That might be just error 404. 404 podcast not found. Ready? Moving on to a little AskDBC. Yes. All right. Kenny Wallace ran some, somebody not to help me say this.

Somebody, Kenny Wallace ran some laps around the NERB ring last week. It's close enough. Sounds like NUV-Ring. Mark, what global track would you like to go for a few laps around? Monaco. I'm with you there. I just want to go there in general.

Me too. That'd be a good excuse to go there. Let's go. Let's do F1. Monaco next year. Let's do it. And what car would you want to drive F1 car or something different?

Oh, man. Probably any car. Any, any car. That's a good answer. That's a fair. My oldest son broke his ankle on the hairpin there riding a scooter.

Yeah, well, he's an idiot. Really? I don't know if it. On a scooter. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So it's tough, Mark.

It's Monaco's tough. You can't even get around there on a scooter. And then this one is from Bozzy. How do you work out on the road and do you keep weights or equipment in the motorhome? Sometimes I do carry dumbbells with me in the coach. A lot of places, most places I stay, have little gyms. My workouts don't nowadays that I'm old don't require a lot more than dumbbells. it's a bonus if they've got barbells and weights,

but I can do everything I really have to do on the road with dumbbells and stuff. So it's pretty easy. I don't miss a whole lot, but when I'm on the road, if I have to miss a day or two, I'm heck, you know, I'm retired. I don't understand why Bozies never asked me that question.

Yeah, well, you're fit. Hey, hey, Mark, have you ever? I had one more. Okay, I'm sorry. No, you go ahead. No, this is called AskDBC, so you go ahead. Let me ask Mark something.

Ask. Ask. Ask. Ask. Ask. Ask. Have you ever had the desire to get in the new car just so you can relate? I've had that offer, but I have it.

You know, I have a mild desire to do a late model stock. What would be fun is to go do that at someplace like Hickory. and then let their 15-year-old get in in the car and wax me by about a half a second. That would be fun. What about the new cup car? Would you like just so you can relate what's going on? My first reaction to that is no, because I see that when all the experts, today's drivers,

get sideways, they spin. And a lot of times, or they don't spend, they go head on in the wall. I'm afraid that would be me. You know, I hung cars out. That was my claim to fame. Lap one. Every week. Practice.

P1. P1, six, top of the board. Unfortunately, there's no side force. Yeah, there's no side force in these new cars. So you wouldn't like that, Mark. I wouldn't like it. And I'd probably just embarrass myself. So probably just pass.

All right. Weekend winners. And listen, I only saw Flo this week. If you were, the only time I got a chance to catch up was anything on the Flo. Site. And if you want to watch Flo. And if you want to watch Flow, you can visit FlowSports.com. com.

And you can sign up and get 15% off. Way to go. You can watch me and Tommy fight at the local modified and late model races. Tommy doesn't fight anymore. He's a change man. Yeah. Grandpa now. Damn right.

I had all evening with the last night. I loved it. He's not a fighter until somebody's messing with that grandbaby when she grows up. And it'll be problems. We saw obviously at Rocky Amp Swalich wins his first O'Reilly race. Good for him. Corey Heim wins again. knows.

Corey Heim doing Coreyheim things. Tristan McKee, like Mark mentioned, he won the Archer race on Friday. Carson Brown, another good run for him.

We've mentioned him a couple times on here. I think he's going to be really good. I think he's, is he signed to RCR or he's going to start running some races there. So I think he's going to have a pretty bright future as well. I saw Brandon Overton won 21,000

at the Little Bill Corum Memorial. Carson. Austin won the marathon of Smart Race at Dominion. Justin Grant, on the USAC race at Red Hill. Hudson O'Neill, Dale McDowell, won the Southern National Series

Dirtley Model races over the weekend. And that was really all I saw. I was not very tuned in the racing this week. It's going to get ready. It's ramped up this weekend. The Icebreaker this weekend, the tri-track on Saturday and the NASCAR modified tour

at Thompson Saturday and Sunday. We got... Music City Showdown for the Cars Tour at Nashville. We got Hickory for the Smart Tour. Dale's racing, right? Dale's racing, Nashville, Cars Tour this weekend. What day is that? Saturday.

Mark, what do you find yourself watching? I know you kind of tune in to kind of everything. But where do you kind of gravitate towards the most or you just kind of try to absorb as much as possible? I'm all three series, top series of NASCAR, but I'm really interested in ARCA now much more than ever because there's a few superstars in the making there that are going to be coming up.

And so I'm really interested to that. And then the Lake Model Dirt cars, you know, either the world of outlaws or Lucas, I'm a huge fan of Davenports. Lance Landers, my best friend and partner owns his car. So I have a close connection to that car and that program. So those are those are my main things. Then, of course, every car's tour, I will be number one watch this weekend. will be Dale Jr. and the cars tour at Nashville. That is such a historic crack. It is the site of

my very first cup pole in 1981. So it's a real special place to me. That's cool. Yeah, that place is badass. And hopefully we figure I had to get it back on our schedule in some capacity, whether it's even if it's O'Reilly and truck or hopefully cup cars one day. But it'll be, it's just a historic racetrack that needs to be part of our sport again. I've never been. So I'm looking forward to it. Thomas, where are you going this weekend? Luke's got the Bristol truck race on Friday, and then we got the smart race on Saturday, then the cup race on Sunday.

Where's the smart race? Hickory. Hickory, so you're going to go all over the place. Traveling, man, everywhere. Carson, obviously, going Nashville. Where do you go to Nashville? I go up Wednesday. Yeah, no, I go up Wednesday.

I'm low-key dreading this week. But if we do have any listeners that are in the area, we're having a kickoff party on Thursday at Tootsies. It's open to the podcast. public, no ticket required, 21 plus, obviously. But we're going to have Dale and some other drivers out there doing some interviews and things like that. Dale's going to be a Tootsie's? All right.

I'll be there. So yeah, if anybody's in the area or if you want to just come join us, we'll be, it's where you can find us on Thursday night. Fun, fun. I have to go to Bristol on Friday and go racing. Friday and Sunday. Friday, Sunday, yeah. One of my favorite places to run. Hopefully, Mark, I know you would love to see the same thing.

I think the rest of us would tire fall. off like we saw there in the past, like make these guys kind of have to manage the race a little bit more, right? Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm always excited to watch a racing at Bristol. And I hope you never know what you're going to get with the weather and the tires and what might happen. I love it when they, they only last 30 laps. I know that I wouldn't as a competitor, but as a fan, it's, it's fun to watch. Well, Mark, thank you once again for jumping on here with us today. We love to have you. and it's always a blast. I appreciate it, man.

It was fun being with you guys. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week, and I'm not telling you who the guest is until about Saturday. And you're not going to believe who it is. No, like seriously. Like seriously. I thought Dalton was funny.

I said, if I told you who it was when we were worked on, when we got it locked in, I said, if I told you who the guest is, you would think it's an April Fool's joke. Yeah. So Dalton was even like, yeah, he's like, I know who it is, and I still think it's an April Fool's joke. But, yeah, thank you guys for tuning in again.

and wait until next week. It's going to be a fun one. But we're out. Bye. Peace out. Check out Dirtymo Media on Instagram, Facebook, X, and TikTok.