Door Bumper Clear - Mexico with Matt Weaver: Pro Ass Whoopin’

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

The DBC gang is back from Mexico and welcome in racing journalist Matt Weaver to break down an unforgettable weekend of racing, wild stories from the road, and one electric win for Daniel Suárez. Freddie shares his travel tales—tequila shots, scorpion shooters, and just enough chaos to keep things interesting.They dig into everything from SVG’s late-race charge to Connor Zilisch’s bold moves, Carson Hocevar stirring things up again, and a restart that sent everyone into the grass. Reaction Theatre delivers some all-time calls—one involving puking through your nose and another with a little too much detail on Stenhouse’s form.The group debates the value of international races, what NASCAR can take from this event, and how it could be even better in the future. Whether it’s chaos on the track or chaos on the mic, this one’s packed from start to finish.Timestamps21:36 - Spot On/Off58:53 Reaction Theatre1:04:25 #AskDBCCatch all the grassroots racing action live with FloRacing. Learn more or sign up at flosports.link/dbc1Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with us. Knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no fire seat on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never. And here they come, never and like they never have before. I did never, you love them.

Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Crafts, spotter for Bubba Wallace, and Dean Thompson this week. A pair of 12th place finishes, I believe. That was actually a pretty good weekend for me. How are you, Tommy? I'm okay. I'm still here.

I know you went home this week. How was back home? It was okay. It was a good race, not enough green flag laps. But besides that, we ended up 10th. Got put to the back. I don't know why yet. Or I don't know why.

You'll never know why. But yeah, it was a good race. Cool weekend for before we get to our other lovely coast. Our family. Co-host. Co-host. Co-host. I just put it together.

I know your dad made the top 40 greatest modified drivers in the last, whatever, in the history, I think. And also the 75 most impactful drivers. My dad also on the 75 for Riverhead list. So it's congratulations to you. Yeah, thanks. I got to see you hold the flag. Yeah, it was awesome. I wasn't expecting that.

That, yeah, it was a cool deal. Yeah. And the Tiger is like, he's always been the leader of the Long Island gang. Well, he took over after Charlie Jay passed away. But, yeah. But, hi, Carson. How are you? Another exciting weekend for you?

Yeah. Thankfully, not too exciting on the racetracker in the pits this week compared to Langley. But we had a great weekend at the Minis Mission 125. We hosted a bunch of families from Walter Reed's National Military Medical Center. They got to come experience the weekend with the cars tour and, you know, see what all of our drivers do for a weekend. So after a weekend like that, it's not really about racing, you know?

Like we were, it was about more than that. So it was cool. You always leave there feeling, feeling good. Yeah. And this, our guest this week, I'm surprised we got him to leave Mexico. I think, I thought he was going to apply for dual citizenship while we were down there. He was liking it that much.

He was in, judging by his social media, he had, he might have more fun than anybody in Mexico. Matt Weaver, welcome to door bumper. Oh, my amigos. Oh, boy. Here we go.

Oh, here we go. No, I loved it. I'm glad to be here, though. Glad to be home. I did enjoy my stay, but there's no place like home. Yeah, and that's one of the biggest things I took away from it was, you know, how good we have it here. Because while we talk about how nice, you know, the area of Mexico City, I didn't venture out a whole lot. I kind of stayed at the hotel or went across the street to dinner one night.

So I didn't really venture out to the city much because I know that I can be stupid when I'm in public and I don't need to add any problems to my list. But going to the racetrack, you can get an idea of how. some of those areas, you know, I was talking to Tommy about this earlier and, you know, some of the, you know, you tip somebody 20 bucks and they're the most appreciative person on the planet. And then you kind of go back and see maybe where they live. Some of the areas like on the way to the racetrack are not so nice. And it's, and it's, and it makes you really appreciate coming home to, to what we have here. Yeah. Listen, the thing I would say is, is where we were. That was the hospitality. That is the, the economic center of Mexico

city. They wanted to put on a good show for us. They had sweepers out at night. It is the safest part of town. But like you said, when you go to Audodromo Hermannos Rodriguez and you have to go from the hotel to get there, there's a lot of sketchiness in between. And so, listen, I've said that it's a lot like going to Chicago. South Chicago is way different than North Chicago, Grant Park, where we were the last two years, where we're going to be in a couple of weeks. And I think it's like any major city, right? There's good and there's bad.

but like you said, Freddie, it does make you really appreciate. There's a lot of good here in the States. Yeah, no doubt about it. And listen, you know, we can jump right into Mexico. I know we were both there. Obviously, you guys probably watched on TV. Awesome venue. Awesome fans.

The crowd was electric. You know, the video, I keep seeing the video. I guess they hadn't lined up yet. I got out of there too fast. But the video of them high-fiving pretty much every team member as they left the garage on Saturday was awesome. And I thought the racing was really good, just at the track itself. Yeah, so I'm sure there are some. There's a subset of the fans who will say, well, it wasn't a good race.

The cup race on Sunday. Shane won by 17 seconds. He was practically in Texas when everyone else crossed the line. I thought the racing was good. You know, you look through the field, some of the battles. It's a really good layout circuit. We saw that 10 years ago or so. Sometimes you get an ass kicking, and I think we got that on Sunday, but the racing quality for both divisions was very good.

How did it look on TV as you guys get to? I know you might have been racing. Did you go back and watch? Yeah, actually, I watched it again last night just to recap on some stuff. But, yeah, racing was good. SVG was just playing with everybody up until it was time to go. I'm sorry. I mean, everyone could say whatever they wanted, but he was just saving his stuff, saving his brakes, saving his car.

It's still driving away. I mean, it was, what, 10 seconds in the last 12 laps he gained, something like that. So, I mean, he was just toying with the 54 and the 20. Yeah, for sure. And, Matt, as far as the area, you went out and ventured out a lot more than I did. What was the area like around your hotel? And I think you even got a decent amount away from your hotel. I did.

Listen, I think the goal here is is don't do stupid stuff. And I think that's true of any city. I didn't go too, too far. I would say the furthest I ventured out from the hotel, maybe a mile. Again, they keep that area safe intentionally. And I think knowing that NASCAR was in town, they wanted to put their best foot forward. as well. I can't say it's like that all the time. But incredible restaurants, the colors of the city. Like, it is a very vibrant, very electric neon, everything you think about Miami. There's a little bit of

Miami into Mexico City. Great food, great people. Super friendly. Like I said, the more you tip them, the friendlier they. Yeah. I think it's a little Mexico in Miami. I think you got that packed. That's right. That's right. You know, listen, like to your point, I went to, I stayed and had dinner at the hotel most of the time. there's a bar and hotel. So I didn't really venture out much. So why would you need to leave? Yeah, I really didn't need to at all.

And it was really nice place. Shout out to Alfredo on the 40th floor. But, you know, we did go to dinner one night. And it's, it's to your point, it's nothing you don't see anywhere else.

You know, the major, and to your point, anybody, there was issues. There wasn't all sunshines and rainbows through the weekends. There was some people that had issues.

And the people that had issues were probably doing things that we were instructed not to do, for the most part, from what I understand. You know, so that, you know,

if, anywhere. You know, we went to dinner. And one night we went to dinner, we walk outside. There's a group of spotters. And there is, for lack of a better term, a prostitute standing on the corner. And she followed us to dinner. And she was offering her services the whole way. And we had to keep telling her no. Did you not bring her to dinner? We didn't bring her to dinner. We didn't have an exceita. For a story. You didn't bring her to dinner. But, you know, but that could happen in Vegas. You know what I mean? I was sitting in the oyster pub one night having dinner with a bunch of guys and somebody got shot outside. So, I mean, it's not like this is completely uncommon.

You know, it's, there was some stories of things that went on that weren't ideal. You know, when we got there, people had their bags gone through and they were quote unquote taxed on some of the equipment they were bringing in, whether it was a spotter or some of the photographers that wasn't probably very legit. But, you know, that stuff didn't make me happy. But as far as the city overall, I don't think anybody that really, I know Gluck had a great time. I saw a bunch of A bunch of our team guys were Ubering around to different restaurants, and, you know, they were smart about it. It took an Uber black when they had to. But, you know, I felt like as long as you were smart about it and kind of stuck to the guidelines that they gave us going into it,

you really weren't any different than, like you said, being in Chicago or a place like St. Louis. You know, there was a damn shootout outside of Team Hotel in St. Louis a couple years ago. So, I mean, it's, it is what it is. And I know people were looking for things in nitpick. And there certainly was there's small things that happened. You know, the truck convoy might have ran into a couple issues on the way. down there. But it wasn't nothing that couldn't be handled and nothing that really probably wouldn't happen in other cities. They would say that you, you know, stick your pocket

or your wallet in your side pocket, not your back pocket, say no to the panhandlers. But really, if you just keep your wits about you, don't go into the dark alleyways, make sure you're in well-lit areas at all time. It's just common sense stuff, right? Like, don't do dumb stuff and dumb stuff won't happen to you. Yeah, and if you were concerned about it, you could just be like me and just not leave the hotel. Like, all the hotels were similar. Like, my, I think they were all pretty much really nice upscale hotels. You know, we had three or four restaurants in ours, so you can go somewhere different

every night. Like I said, there was multiple bars in there you could go through. So if you were even remotely concerned about venturing out, just don't do it. You know, you didn't have to do it. But, you know, for me, the biggest thing, it was just the only nightmare of the trip for me was just the travel. And I don't know. Do you have to travel commercial?

I did. Yeah. But like the logistics of our travel just continued to get screwed up throughout the weekend. And it was mainly just the flights. My flight changed three or four times the day we were leaving or the day before we were leaving. And then there are a lot of delays. You know, it's just the, if I never ride a bus again, that would be it would be great. But, you know, that's something that we have to do. You know, that was staying. The price you pay for staying in the nicer hotels is you're an hour away from the racetrack. So you've got to ride a bus for two hours every day. Can we talk about the driving in Mexico City? It's insane. I saw pictures of the traffic. Like, that's the crazy stuff I've come to realize. It's the most functional chaos. I have ever seen in my life. Like the things that happen there should not work out. And they do.

We came up, we were in a bus, a charter, like a bus, you know, you would take. And we come up to a traffic circle, you know, the big, the, the, where the old angel on top and stuff, it's a major traffic circle. Well, we get there, and my guy just goes left, like, into the oncoming traffic. And you're like, what's going? Instead of like, just, you know, everybody goes around in a circle, no, we're going this way. And we just sat there that all the cars go around us because we're facing the

wrong direction and then once it opening we just shot across and it seemed normal and it was like no there was no problem we rolled up one time there was the funniest thing i saw the weekend there's a cop on a bike had a tractor trailer pulled over in the right lane the cop is in the center lane yelling at the driver of the truck you know tractor trailer so our bus is coming up behind the cop on a bike and i'm like he knows he's got to move over right now he rolls up to the back wheel of the bike lays on the horn and tells the cop to get out of his way and the cop rolls out of the away. I'm like, what's going on here? But it was, the dysfunctional chaos is definitely a good way to No, it's functional. It wasn't dysfunctional. Yeah. It was. It was, it was, it was something. Um, but I, food, I mean,

no issues for you, right? I mean, I don't, don't drink the ice. Don't drink the ice. No water, no ice. Everything out of a can or a bottle. Uh, again, just the things that they give you whenever you enter. Yeah. It was, it was, it was, I felt like, again, I didn't, I knock on wood. I didn't, I didn't, get sick at all. I was, I drank enough alcohol to kill anything the last day that I might have been bringing home. I stayed away from the worm. But I definitely had my fair share of tequila and just tried to keep myself out of trouble. They put a cricket on my taco. I saw that the first night. Yeah. I asked for, well, they actually gave it to me for free because whatever I ordered the steak. They didn't have it. I think you can get a free cricket is okay. Just about anywhere.

I'm from Alabama. So I told the guy, I'm like, this is what we use to catch our food. He's like, no, no, no, eat, eat, eat. And I ate it and it gave it a little crunch, a little bit of flavor. It was good. So now you're going to eat them here? No. No shot. They probably don't taste. No shot. Different type of cricket. Yeah. I had to laugh two of the marketing people from 2311 were out. They saw their story the one night. And they had a shock glass with a scorpion. Oh. They put a scorpion on top of it. And they poured the tequila over the scorpion to get the flavor of the scorpion into tequila, which is not something I've ever signed up for. Aren't they poisonous? Well, you take the stinger off. You're okay. But

So then they did. Once they did the shot, they said, oh, that was one thing. And then they said, all right, now pull the stinger off and eat it. And the two of them each took half of it and ate it. I was like, I think I'm going to stick to tacos this week. You were really safe. You're being safe all week. Yeah, I was just, I was angels.

Besides the three bottles of tequila, it was probably five. It's probably the most Freddy's mind in his manners. I just knew that I could get myself in a lot of trouble if I wanted to. And I knew to just keep myself in one building and stay sane. because I would have been the idiot in the Uber at 3 o'clock in a morning having a bad day or something like that. So I was just, I just knew to stay within my boundaries and, you know, behave myself for better terms. The other thing I wanted to talk about on here, though, was the radio situation. Yeah, whatever came of that?

A lot. It was, it was an interesting weekend. We all had to change frequencies. We all had to use because we changed frequencies. Some of our radios weren't even programmable for the higher band, the higher frequency. that we were using down there. So like basically I had to borrow radios. My team guys had to borrow radios off the truck.

I borrowed some from Nick Payne, Redick Spotter. So my radios worked fine, but then the team guys did not work at all. So Bubba basically raised the whole race without a spotter in turn one and basically a part-time spotter in turn 9 for the choose. I saw multiple guys having issues with that. There's a lot of issues on Sunday hearing NASCAR race control. So that was not ideal for our job. And that came up.

I felt bad for racing electronics, man, because they didn't get that message until, I want to say, Saturday night or Sunday morning of Michigan. And they had to basically reprogram every radio in the sport. And that was every X-Finity team, every Cup team, all the NASCAR radios, all the fire and safety radios, all the TV stuff. It had to be a nightmare for them guys. Kevin, I stopped by the shop and saw Kevin Hughes. And I could tell them guys were. Did he lose the one Harry Ed left? Take easy.

I can relate. But yeah, that was, so that wasn't ideal. But, you know, again, it's just first year, a lot of bugs. Hopefully, we'll talk about it, whether we're going to go back or not. But, you know, hopefully if we do go back next year, it's cleaned up some. But I mean, overall, I thought it was a great experience. Yeah, for sure. I think the coolest part of this was the demographics, much younger audience.

And I'm not, you know, disparaging the fans that we have. But we have one of the highest age demographics in all of sports. And, you know, part of going to Mexico is you want to be able to attract that entire country. But the number of teenagers, 20-somethings, 30-somethings that were at the tweet-up who are in the garage, I think there are a lot of benefits to being there. Absolutely. And just before we move on, I just want to give a shout out to the truck drivers that are probably still busting their ass right now. They're home.

They're back. But, I mean, them guys, this whatever, street. You want to call it. Two weeks, 12 days, whatever it's been, from, you know, to Michigan, from Michigan to Mexico. Now Mexico to Pocono. These guys, we can bitch it. We're all over here bitching about the, you know. You got to ride on an airplane at least.

We were on the road for five days and our flight was delayed an hour. These guys have been at least 13 days on the road, probably some more than that. And, and they're, you know, they're driving their ass off. Let's put it this way. I looked at him. I said, man, you look like he got shot out of a pig's ass when I seen him. He's like, I'm pretty close to it, he said. And he just kept walking.

But yeah, as far as the race, like you said, Tommy, SVG just kind of put an ass-whip into us, not unexpectedly, I don't think. No, it was, you know, there was a couple guys that were trying to do some strategy. I felt probably the 54 was in the best scenario of strategy. But I think if he pitted when SVG pitted and stayed with SVG, it might have been a little bit different, but them waiting and then getting caught with the caution there kind of hurt, you know, did hurt him, but he didn't gain any positions after that, right? So, you know, who knows?

But my opinion, watching SVG in the beginning, I mean, yeah, he was running a little hard going into that stage where the 54 won there. I think he won, right? Or they pitted early in SVG. But, yeah, I think he just out drove him. I mean, even in the post race with Chase and, um, to 20, you know, Christopher Bell, they both said, you know, what, the report is, I don't know if you were there, you were there, they asked them, right? What could you have done differently? And what,

how would a car? Well, I, both of them pretty much admitted, I need to work on some things to get better. So, yeah, I think, look, you, you have seen an upswing on that 88 team the last month. It only helped Sunday to write this upswing. It's not going to get any better for anybody going into these other road courses because SVG and that team is, I figured it out, 33% better than last year right now, right? From where they ran, how they run, the positions they're running. Now, 33% better on a road course for SVG from last year? These guys are in trouble.

Yeah. And you saw that Sunday. I mean, Matt, what was the feelings like on pit road and, you know, the media scrums afterwards just kind of chalk it up to SVG, whipping everybody's ass for the day? Yeah, totally. Like, listen, at one point during the, uh, the final stage, the final green flag run, they were trying to back him down.

They're like, you know, you don't have to have this kind of pace. And he says it makes him worse, that he just needs to get on his rhythm and go. And at one point, they told Shane over the radio, it's like, oh, you know, the 48 has this pace or the 20 has this pace. And he's like, that's good to know.

Good, fine, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. And he was so locked in. I mean, just an incredible drive. Yeah, for sure. And then I think maybe the feel good story, the weekend was Daniel winning that race on Saturday. I mean, we'll get to how that happened with the other two drivers, I'll say, running each other over all day long.

But, you know, what just a dream scenario for him to come back. His first, technically the first race, you know, back there in his home country with the premier series in that one of the premier series in NASCAR. And he goes, and he was really good. Obviously starts off really bad, ends up destroying the thing in practice. And you're like, oh, this sucks. You know, I feel bad for him. Then he comes back, gets the, gets the provisional that, you know, any other week,

he's probably not in the race. but you know they add that provisional for the nine car not for the nine car but the nine car takes it and then runs away with it and wins the race so he was fun to watch come through the field it was like I know you've heard it it was it was like Dale Jr. taking a lead to Talladega 20 years or 15 years ago whatever it was

it was electric and if you heard you could hear him in turn one when he took the lead or whatever then when they came back to the stadium section that you could hear him even the first time he would pop up on the screen you know they'd be showing some other battle and they popped a nine up on the screen leading the stadium section went nuts so it was just an electric feeling and it's just i can't imagine what what daniel felt like uh getting that done on i was in the exfinity garage for for post races i was going to kind of stake out and talk to everyone

as they came in and so that's the opposite side from the stadium and even as he celebrated in the stadium you could almost feel like a little vibration coming from the entire now i'm close to the front stretch there's fans on the front stretch too but the i cannot imagine what that must be like to have not a hometown, not a home city or a home state, but an entire country behind you for one race. Yeah, I mean, you could get, and you guys probably saw it on TV if you were watching this point, but just watching him and the fans' reaction to him during the national anthem. You know, he's singing the Mexican national anthem along with the girl, which, by the way, bring those kids to every race we ever go to that, both anthems.

They crushed both of those anthems. But that was just an electric feeling in itself. but then when they cut to them, just a feeling in that stadium, especially seeing Daniel, but overall, it was just, it was just unbelievable. But, you know, how cool was it to see that, Tommy? I know you guys were at the bowling alley on Saturday. Yeah, we were at the All-Star.

By then, I think I was like one eye watching it. But, yeah, it was good. I mean, our small crowd is like, I mean, you could see when he took the check and flag, and then we went back to the stadium. The stands were, like, I don't know if it was the camera, removing, but there was probably... It was probably...

The thing was the camera was in the stands. There was some joy going on there. And the, you know, his wife, watching the face, the pressure, you know, you just, you know what she's thinking, right? I was, oh, my God, you know, you have Daniel, the world is on his shoulders. Just think about it, you know, he's the only Mexican, right? And he's getting ready to win the race. And they were showing her, I'm like, I know that pressure.

Yeah. Like, this guy's getting ready to tear this place up. Yeah, it was just, it was an awesome story. And I was happy to, I was happy for him because he, he, that, you know, he put so much into this weekend, just all the promo stuff he did. I think everywhere I looked, he was there. You know, he was doing all the promo stuff. He was there multiple times taking other drivers around. They did that video where he's teaching those guys, you know, speaking Spanish in the class.

So, I mean, just all that stuff. And then, you know, you get to go home and then it all, you know, obviously I wish, I'm sure he wished he would have won Sunday. but just to at least have that moment on Saturday was something I'm sure he'll never forget. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit.

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Matt, we'll start with you. Oh, spot on. I mean, listen, so at the end of the day, we have 38 events. I think there's room for one of them, two of them, to go international, go to a new market, go to a street course somewhere, and also continue to go to old school market. It's like a Bowman Gray, North Wilkesboro, maybe Rockingham comes back and replaces a Darlington. I don't know. But there's 38 weekends a year.

I think sometimes we get so insulated within our community, especially me. I'm a big short track guy, obviously, and I go to these communities, and they're very much about their hometown. But NASCAR is so much bigger than any of that. And being able to experience people who were hardcore NASCAR fans in Mexico City, I know there's hardcore NASCAR fans in Brazil, being able to use one of those 38 events to take our show to them, which could be a once-in-a-lifetime experience for those fans, I think that is hugely important. And you can do that without taking away from the local American audience. Yeah, I agree.

I'm spot on for it. I think we will. I don't know for sure. I heard rumors one way. I heard rumors the other way, both ways this weekend. But I do think that one thing that we do need to do is address the schedule, the scheduling of it really. You can't, I don't think we should be going Michigan to Mexico to Pocono like that.

We have to do something for that to make this either a little bit easier on our truck drivers, just a little bit of the industry overall, the TV people, everybody that had to put this show on. You know, I thought Jeff, Jeff, Jordan, Bianchi had a really good idea yesterday. He's talking about maybe back it up with COVID. where they can somehow find a way in the schedule to put those two back to back. So you just load up two road course cars. You go to Cota your race. You go to Mexico your race.

And then you go home. I do think I heard a lot of rumblings about this. And I do think an off weekend before or after would help out a lot with just with the travel. But, you know, that was the biggest thing I thought was just the the traveling obviously got screwed up. We had to adjust the schedule. We had to push cut practice back. We had to cancel exfinity practice one day just because of the logistics of not being able to get all the teams there at the same time. some out of you know some completely out of NASCAR's hands with the one the track house plane issues but then obviously the Sam hunt issues was kind of logistical thing whatever whoever else was done I think Haas was on that plane where they had to fly in commercial so there was definitely some shit that had to be cleaned up but you know I think that for the crowd and the reaction and you know seeing that one fan I for Jeff retweeted him the guy said he'd been a NASCAR fan for since the 90s and this is the first time he got to hear the engines in person because he's always had to watch on television so like there are it's not just we're just not these these are

are not Formula One fans that we're just trying to go put a NASCAR race on in front of. These were, there were diehard NASCAR fans there. Gluck told me he met a bunch of people at his tweet-ups. I talked about listening to their podcast, all the Dirty Moe podcast, really. So there are die-hard NASCAR fans down there, and they showed it this weekend. Yeah, I mean, I'm in agreeance with you. I think I'm not sure if they'll have it again, but I think they learned a lot, right? There's a lot of small little things.

I mean, obviously, Chit Weil and that group did a really good job of everything they had to do, but there's a lot to learn from it, right? So what do you do? Do you go back there with all the things you learn to make that race better, and then you go somewhere else? Or do you throw everything that you learned to go somewhere else, right? I mean, I don't know if we're ready for two of those a year, but I would, you know, I would press that we're going to do one of them, go somewhere once a year, to put on a show for new fans, right, to create new energy.

So I don't know. I'm probably a big fan of hitting four or five of these types of places, one every four or five years, right, and going back and making them rotate. That way it keeps the energy going because, you know, you keep going, you keep going, and you kind of lose the lustre of it. Right? So take what we got, learn from it. if we move somewhere else

take all that energy and let's do it. Yeah. I mean, I know Brazil's been mentioned as a possible, as maybe the next. I think Canada. Canada, obviously.

Do you look at the schedule? That looks like that was Montreal's date to go from Michigan to Montreal to Pocono. Which it Yeah. Allegedly. They got outbid. Allegedly.

Allegedly, they possibly could have been. They, yeah, they were, I think they were outbid. But yeah, I think we definitely have to have at least one international race now on the schedule. And maybe it is the clash at some point. But, you know, we have to go somewhere, I think, once a year.

Now, please keep the clash close to us. No, I know. I know, but I'm just saying. That's the tradeoff, right? We got the clash in our backyard. And the tradeoff is we go to Mexico. Yeah, we'll go somewhere. I think that's totally fair.

It is. For sure, with the point being paid and money being paid in a points race, that would make it a lot easier to swallow. going somewhere else, I think. But yeah, I think we have to have that one international race somewhere. All right. On to the Xfinity race. Connor Zillich comments on the Ty Gibbs

contact saying, that's just Ty. He got mad at me and shipped me. I don't think it was just the nature of the corners that was pretty intentional. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Ties, when he gets in those situations, he's a little overboard, right, sometimes.

And, you know, Connor probably has to learn to get a little bit more chippy. in those situations but you know Conner's the one that was in control at the time right a little bit right um you start a little bit with SVG and a restarts too you know he didn't like he he he worked himself to the inside on every restart to be safe right to you know you know what I'm saying yeah to set himself up not he didn't even really care if he lost the lead at that point because he knew he was going to get everybody back and Zillage was probably just as good to the field as Well, that was my problem because Connor didn't do that.

You know what I mean? And that's what, it drove me insane watching these two on Saturday. Just take the two best cars and take themselves out of the race. Two 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds, losing their mind. And I put more of it on Connor because he, I felt like was the best car. And I felt like he didn't need to take some of the risks he took. I mean, this started on lap one. They were fucking driving each other into the grass on the first lap of the race.

and it was clear after a handful of laps that they were going to be the two best cars. Daniel was good, but he wasn't going to be on their level, I don't think. And then they just continued to every time they got around each other, rough each other up or push each other off to culminated with them running each other off. Daniel got a good run on that restart, and they were three wide, and Connor hits the curb,

and they all wreck. And for me, it's just so frustrating to watch because Connor, in my opinion, is better than that. You know, he didn't need to take risk. He could do what SVG did and kind of put himself to, all right, I'm just going to get through this, restart safe. I know I'm going to have the pace to go out and beat these guys later. And he just doesn't do that.

And we saw the same thing at Coda, you know, when he got himself behind there. He was like a wrecking ball coming back to the field. He wrecked the he bounced off. He was lucky to win that race because both his fenders were knocked in on his tires. He's driving around the racetrack, smoke pouring off every side of the car. Well, he did have to come from last on that race, Coda. That was a little different situation. I think this, look, if he,

if someone grabs him right and looks back at both of those races and just has kind of watch him and like just write me a report what you what could have you've done differently right that's what I always tell Luke you know watch the race I don't I don't care about the positives I want to know what you could have done differently what you know in certain situations so I mean I hope someone's grabbing him and and he'll learn from it because he's so much better on road courses than 99.5% of the drivers. I feel like if Connor takes the approach Tommy's time about SVG, he should win

every road course race in the Xfinity series. Yeah, so one, I'm spot off on the racecraft for both of them, right? Like, obviously, and I think they know that. For Ty, I've covered Ty since he was in Greg Marlowe's late model stock car. He's always been super over-eager. That is just a character trait of his racecraft and it has not gone away in the Xfinity series. It did not go away.

Arka, and he's that driver now. Now, he's having a rough year too. I think that plays a back turn to this. He's having a rough year because he's sometimes overaggressive and hurting his car. And that's what I'm trying. That's why I try to teach people in the short tracks. If you don't have anything left at the end of the race, you don't have anything left. And if you're going to run into people on your way through, what good is it?

Because it's not going to be right. I think the lesson, you know, all those guys could learn from is Shane on Sunday. And even Daniel on Saturday. Those were two very smart races that were run for, you know, Daniel to come through the back. He picked and chose his spots as they were presented to him. And Shane, I mean, that was a supercar's master class. He recognized that he had a car that was 20 seconds better than the rest of the field. If these guys want to go bounce off each other, have at it because I'll pick you off on a long run.

Yeah. And the other one that did did a good job on Sunday was Chase Elliott. And we had one little, him and somebody were fighting middle through the middle part the race, but he's another one that just took care of his stuff, and all of a sudden at the end of the race, he's going past people. I mean, it's just all about saving your stuff, man. Yeah, there's a, handful of guys, not to get off topic, but I looked up, John Hunter was one of them. Riley, I felt he was less. He was spun out. Twice. He spun out twice. And he, I think, what do you have, fifth or six? He ended up, Riley was having a really good day for, you know, not somebody that I would

think of as a road course racer, but showed good speedy. I qualified the other two, 2311 cars in qualifying. He was running around the top 10 or 12 when he got turned around, scared the ever-living shit out of me when he tried to get back going and almost got teaboned by Ricky. But he was having a really good day. I hated to see that get ruined. Ty Dillon was having a good day. I saw he was in the top 10 for a lot of the race. I don't even know where he ended up. And he was legitimately running well. Yeah. I mean, he just wasn't put there. And again, the rain tires helped propel him back, you know, up to the front. He did really good in the rain. His car handled really good in the rain. But he stayed there after after the fact.

And I'd like to give a little shout out to Catherine Lake. There was at times that she was in a solid top 30, and you didn't hear from the whole race, which is good news, right? Because all the other races, you know, was a caution and stuff. So she did, I thought she did well. There was one other, one other guy that I thought. Cole Custer, first top 10. Yeah, top 10.

Yeah, there was a bunch of, you know, Ryan Pish ran good all weekend. So he, pit road penalty. again, he didn't believe it happened to him. He wanted to see the replay. But, again, cone. I was going to say, his flashbacks to the cone.

We should take picture of the boxes for him so you can see how many boxes he could. Conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory. Someone, someone's against them. All right, NASCAR throws a caution for Carson Hosevar with 36 laps to go after he spun and wrecked Ricky Stenhouse in the final corner.

Stenhouse also says he's going to beat Hosevar's ass when they get back in the States. Did it happen yet? I was going to say, has anybody heard any T yet? What if they're on the same flight? God, could you imagine? Oh, man. Go ahead, Freddie. Spot on, spot on.

I mean, spot off. I want to, but the thing is. Spot off of his car throwing a caution. No, no, spot off for him kind of drawing the caution. But I don't, I want to bash him, but it was a tricky spot because it was a blind corner. If they had a spotter in turn 15, it was a blind corner for that spotter. I misspoke. I wasn't supposed to say he wrecked Ricky.

He stalled it in the final corner. That's what happened. My bad. the freaking fold of the paper just to get that in there so you know. So you have the proper information. Well, he did rec Ricky anyway. Well, I mean, that's also true.

But he spun him. But where he was sitting, you know, the thing is, it's Hosevar, so he does not get the benefit of the doubt again. I think anybody else that's sitting there, you know, you saw the one car just miss him, you know, coming around that corner.

And he doesn't know what's coming around that corner because he's blind. He doesn't have a spotter. If he does have a spotter in 15, they're kind of blind still. So, you know, you don't want. them really move because you may be moving into heart you know the spotters that are in the stadium could be telling the drivers that are coming the 77 is spun on exit stay to the right and now

you know you back up to the right now you've caused a bigger problem so I don't want to really knock him for the yellow but what really didn't sit well with me was the fact that he sat there drew the yellow and then was you know benefited from the wave around because he was in the cause because he drew the caution he got he didn't he got the wave around not the lucky dog the Like everybody, he pit, all the leaders that were fronting him pit. So he was in position for the wave around. So there's, you know, I know that when we have, when you are the lucky dog and you're involved in the caution, you're not permitted to be the lucky dog, you know. So I think we probably need to look at maybe putting that in to where if you are the one that draws the yellow flag, you don't get to benefit from being the wave around on the caution that you have created.

But other than that, again, Matt, I think it was, you know, I know there's a lot of uproar. He drew the yellow. He did it on purpose. again, it's a lot of a lot because it's in his past. We've seen him do it multiple times in the past, which took his credit. He didn't do it last week.

It was last week he got that laid flat, left rear flat at Michigan, and it could have very easily, and maybe in the past we would have seen him spin himself out coming to pit road to get that yellow. He just kind of took his lumps, got to pit road,

and his day was over at that point. But I think he gets a bad rap a lot of times and this might have been another one of those situations. Yeah, this is the one that I give him a free pass on just because I didn't listen to the radio. I should have gone back on Max and listen to that. Blind corner.

I would like to know, did Luke tell him something, did, you know, whoever corner that was, what was the communication level? But there are a lot of variables and we nearly saw someone get T-boned. So you don't want a guy

just kind of just full sending into the corner there. He gets a bad rep because of that. And Carson, you can appreciate this too on the Cars Tour side. We're kind of dealing with that every week too should a driver stall.

You know, if you come down pit road and in that scenario, you get penalized. If you draw the caution, you get penalized. It's a no-win scenario. We literally dealt with that this weekend. Totally. And so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison,

but there's a lot of variables that go into this. And I think that if it wasn't Carson, it would not be the talking point that it is now as a result. And, I mean, Tommy, I'm assuming one way or the other, but I think the thing you want to get to would be the later infraction of running the 47 over when you're a lap down, not racing for anything. Why?

I don't understand. I just... Why? Why? I mean, it's like having you a kid and put it... Why? I mean, what is wrong with you? It's just...

I mean, I don't know, man. I just... He's got to get a beaten. He's going to get a beaten. Ricky's going to hit him. I'm telling you. I say this all the time, that one of my biggest frustrations

with the current NASCAR environment that we live in is sometimes people need punching. Nobody's getting their ass, and that's the problem. Thank you. I'm pro Ricky. I'm pro Carson.

This is not personal to me, but in racing and in race craft. I'm pro ass whoopin. I'm pro ass whooping too. We see it all the time. And you guys in Cars Tour, you're at fault too. You don't let them fight there either.

It's okay. So Carter Jones is a great example. I told you I wish we could. Well, I mean, we can. Connor Jones is a great example. They thought that we find him for fighting at Langley and we didn't. It was for the way he pulled in the pit area.

I think unless you're bringing a jack handle or like a literal weapon to the fight, have at it. Because the alternative is at some point, and we saw this with Kyle, Kyle Bush and Ricky last year, you get encouraged to use your car as a weapon. And I don't want that at all.

That's exactly what I said too, because then we're going to tear it more shit on the racetrack because they can't handle it off the racetrack. It's NASCAR's security's job, and they let everybody know that they are the ones that are policing the situations with the drivers. Just, if the crews would just

leave it alone and let the drivers go out, go at it and then the security step in after it's over or someone's getting beat up pretty bad. Let's get it over with because it's not processing for him. Something's not processing. Carson, hello. Something's not processing with you. And this is what, you know, we got a lot of shit on here a couple weeks ago because when Jeff was here. We got shit?

Yeah, believe it or not. Because Jeff said, like, you know, he said, he told Carson that wasn't right. he could have cut Ricky a break. And people were like, oh, you know, you don't want to change. Trying to soften him up. Nobody wants Carson to change like that. Nobody wants him to race, you know, I don't want to say less aggressive because we do want to make it's a little less aggressively maybe.

But this is the stuff that needs to change. This stupid, this is dumb. I'm going to go on Rick look free. People comparing him to Dale Earnhardt. Stop. There will never, ever, ever be another Dale Earnhardt. I don't want to hear that. especially at Carson Hossibar.

Never, ever, is he going to be Dale Earnhardt, okay? So that pisses me off, number one. Number two is you can get behind people without wrecking them and get by them by them by just nudging them a little bit, right? Come on. But situational awareness, what do you have to gain there, one lap down, to even nudge? He has no situation in there. Hello, Carson.

Or awareness. Hello, has none of it. His brain dead. Follow Ricky. Learn something from him. The guy has no concept in there, but to go fast right now. I'm sorry. It's pitiful.

The guy's got the world ahead of him. He does. I mean, everyone agrees got so much talent, right? That's not the problem. Yeah. This is the things that when people tell you, when people that are around him or say that they're trying to, you know, correct some of his problems, this is it. They're not trying to correct the fact that he's overaggressive or trying too hard. It's this dumb stuff like this that we harped on for years where he's, you know,

right-hooking people at a reactions in the truck series or intentionally bringing out cautions to affect the entire race. You know, this is this is the stuff. And to your point, Matt, like, what are you doing? You're a lap down. You're not racing. You're behind the guy you just spun out two weeks ago. That warned you he was going to kick your ass. What do you think? Because he was a Mexican? Was it going to happen? By the way, that's 40 points for Ricky right there. He cost Ricky the 40 points, and I don't have the standings in front of me. But even with Shane's win, I think that probably puts them in the playoffs.

Yeah, or at least a lot closer. You know, like, and like we talked about where Ricky, those guys have done. Ricky did finish 27. That's pretty good for Ricky on a road course. But he was running, I mean, I don't know where they were running. 21st. It was 20. And he was probably, he was one of the ones that was moving forward on one, because as the longer the runs went,

guys started to bleed on tires. Some guys really hard. And I thought he was moving forward at that point. And the funny thing I thought, though, I don't know if you caught this. So Carson goes in there, I guess he will hopped. You know, just kind of overdrive entry to 12. Like Ricky did at Martinsville? Yeah, every year.

But so Carson hits him, turns him. Carson just pulls over to the side in parks and waits for Ricky to get going. And then he just followed him. And he just stayed behind him in the rest of the race. Like, I am not getting in front of this guy for the rest of this afternoon. But it's just, like you said, Matt, it can't happen in that situation. Somebody like Mike Helton just needs to go, come here. Just give the Mike Helton look with the Mike Helton.

He needs to spend about an hour with Mike Helton, right? And get a little education on racing life. That's what he needs. Please, Mike Helton. And listen, I know we're hard on him on this show. Carson is not a bad person. I mean, I've sat there and talked to him. We've given him shit.

He sat behind me on the plane. He was watching the Herbie, the Lugbug movies, said he was doing his road course prep on the way to Mexico. But he's just a good kid and means well. I can sit down and have a conversation when we had lunch one day with his spotter and Luke and them. I mean, the kid's a good kid. It's just this. This is the dumb shit that you want to just shake him and be like, what the fuck are you doing?

Thank you. I'll say this. If Ricky doesn't get him, Mike Kelly will. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's how magic. Magic Mike. They don't go by Mike Kelly on this show.

It's Magic Mike. Magic Mike doesn't make him disappear. God, don't start any kids. conspiracies. All right, moving right along. I think poor Carson-hostvars had enough for us today. SVG is a deserving driver to be in the playoffs because of his road racing abilities

despite being 30th in the point standings after Mexico. Spot on, spot off. Tommy. Spot on. I mean, yeah, he deserves it. Yeah. That's the rule. The thing for me is, and I'm always, are you good with winning you're in? Like, do you like that?

I'm saying, obviously, traditional me would always say just, I would like to reward, you know, consistency. But with this rule, and the entertainment value, I think winning you're in is, is, has a lot of value in the entertainment space because you see guys take chances at the end of any race trying to get that win if they don't already have one to get into that playoffs. I do think, Matt, though, I think there needs to be some points position cut off for it. I think top 25 makes a lot of sense. And we did. And we got rid of it for, I don't know why.

Because there's a lot of good teams that had. Yeah, but I mean, you guys. have some kind of fucking consistency to get into playoffs in my opinion. Like if you look around the guys that are like hockey when you're fifth and then six months later in a playoffs, there's second. I mean hockey takes three quarters. Okay, hockey, but if you start off and don't win a game for the fight, you know, you win 20% of your games for the first month and a half, you don't just go on a 10-game

winning streak and now you're in the playoffs. Like you don't get to make up all of that difference in one week. There's 32 teams in the playoffs of hockey, it seems like. There's only 32 in the league. Yes, exactly. But my point is, if you're not. If you get that far behind early in the season. And I think, and to this point, you know, I think it adds value and adds drama to your races where, you know, if you say, our SVG has got to win, but now he's got to get to the top 25 or he's got to get to the top 30 in points.

You know, now that brings into your showing as SVG runs now sometimes. Can he get to this top 25? Now do they do, do they run their season differently? Do they stay out in different positions trying to chase stage points because they need points to vault themselves up in the standings? I think, I just think that you need to have some kind of cutoff where it's, I think top 25 is perfect number. I would like to see at least the top 30 of, you know, you've got to be in this marker at least to get into the playoffs. Yeah, I would say no. I mean, I'm spot on. And the reason I say this is that I think that everyone's stuff is so close. Like we talk about being 31st, 32nd. Shane's now top 30. He'd be in anyway. And he could win another road course race.

This is such a... And that was the old rule, right, man? It was 30. It was 30, yeah. I think this is a, a very nuanced topic that we do not have enough time to delve into. But I will say this, we do not live in the average of seventh place finish over 34, 32 races, whatever, that's not this era. We are all about winning. And so if we're going to tell our audience, our fans, that the only thing that matters in the NASCAR Cup series is doing whatever it takes to win, get into the top 16, and then once you're in the top 16, do whatever it takes to win. I think there's a lot of value in that. I think putting the pressure and the intensity on teams to go out and win at all

cost, that is a value to our sport. Now, if we were to wake up tomorrow and the Latford system is back, I'm fine with that too. I think these are two different versions of excellence. And I don't like comparing the Latford system to what we have now because they're not apples and apples. They're apples and peanut butter. But I think both of them reward excellency in a different way. And Shane could go out and win another road course. So if he wins two, is he? Is he a deserving to be in the playoffs? If he wins three? Is he good enough then? Absolutely. We have six of them. There's 10 winners now. And I'm looking at the standings and I'm looking to the guys that not only aren't in the top 16 in points, but who haven't won yet,

we could easily, easily have only three guys make it in points this year. And less. Right? Yeah. I mean, easily. You've got, and listen, you know, upcoming, we got 10 races to the cutoff, three road courses, two plate races. You know, that's half the races are, our potential wildcars. And, you know, I found myself, you've seen the race playing out and you're looking and I'm going, all right, who's going to win this race? Because obviously we're going to be one of those guys that's going to be probably end up right on the cut line again of, you know, if we don't win. Hopefully we get a win before then and don't have to worry about it. But if we don't win, we're going to end up probably right within one or two of the cut line. So you've got to

start looking at that stuff during the race. Like, who do I want to win today? And you look, and I look and I'm like, I'm cheering for SVG because I know he's a new winner, but he could go off and win all the road course races where I don't need, I don't need Ty Gibbs to win today because he may not find another win in the next 10 races. Or Alex Bowman, a guy that's behind us in the standings, or McDowell. You know, these guys are up there where it had speed and they could pull a win off. You know, obviously, ultimately I'm cheering for Christopher Bell. I'm like, you get up there and win, and hopefully it's not a new winner. But, you know, if the lesser of two evils for us was SVG wins, because I feel like no matter what, at some point this year,

he's going to win a road course, whether it was here, Chicago, he's going to go into Chicago. Chicago is a favorite. Obviously, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, he's going to be good at. But like, so in that moment, you're like, okay, I need this SVG got to win because, like, to your point, Matt, he could easily go and win two or three more races. Here's another thing. People are saying, how is this fair to Ryan Priest? And I would say, like, I'm a big priest guy, short track guy, right? He's 13th in the standings. Be better. Like, they're saying, well, Shane Van Gisbergin's not going to win the championship, so what's the point? Is the 60 team going to win the championship this year? No. And so the 88 team found the way in this system winning to get

into the top 16. So if you're Ryan and Derek Fenley, go win a race. That's the era we live in now. And this is essentially why SVG is in that car. You put him in that car because you expect him to win races at these road courses and get you in the playoffs. Because, I mean, that was a millions of dollars swing for them. They just went from 30th and points to no worse than 16th at the end of the year. I think it's multiple millions of dollars in season money. The charter value. Yeah, and the charter value goes up. That's why he's in this car. and that's probably why he's going to stay in this car if there is changes around that team next year. You know, there was some rumors that maybe one or the other, you know, Suarez might be inching his way back in.

I think with this performance yesterday, you know, and what you see coming, like you said, Tommy, they're getting better. You know, I think now that's probably SVG seat for the year, whether Connor comes up or not. Maybe that's the discussion for the 99 team. But, you know, for me, and one thing that I did see yesterday that I really kind of hit home for me was Daniel Sestpidus put out a tweet in response to somebody. else that was, you know, the thing that drives me crazy is it's ruining the storybook, you know, wins. Like last year, 10 years ago, Harrison Burton winning Dayton is a Cinderella story. We're celebrating that.

But it quickly became, he doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs instead of that, you know, this is the same thing. We have our first international race in a million years. We have a New Zealand driver win it. And instantly it turns into he doesn't belong in the playoffs instead of just, why are we just not celebrating the fact that these guys accomplished this? So, you know, there's definitely a little bit of a broken system. there somewhere, but, you know, I just, I just want to get back to these, you know, these guys were,

this, this win should be celebrated, especially just kicking ass all day long and waxing the field, you know, and then you get out and you're, oh, well, you don't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway. It just doesn't sit right with me. Steve LaTart says he's not a big fan of Larson being able to get the fastest lap of the race point after finishing 37 laps down. He would like for the driver to be on the lead lap eligible for the bonus point. Tommy, spot on spot off.

I mean, kudos. Kudos to the five team. Hearing up them tires and laying down the lap and getting an extra point. Yeah, who gives the shit? Smart. Yeah. Again, those are the rules. Yeah.

And I don't know if you watched it, but did you watch him come out after it? It was fucking incredible. Yeah. Like, this is something that doesn't happen. You know, if you, 97% of the time back of the day, if you wrecked and you were multiple laps down and they fixed your car, you went back out there and just rode around. You got on the apron. You got the hell out of the way. Kyle came out there and ran qualifying laps.

Yeah. The rest of the race. To get the point. Good. And that's... And by the way, how many points did he lose the regular season championship by last year? One. So, you know, I love that Cliff was able to keep his guys motivated.

There was something, there was a rabbit for them to chase. And they were 37 laps down. And I just think that is why Cliff Daniels is one of the best leaders in NASCAR. Exactly. And I think this also, and Tommy, you know this from the team side of it, this will encourage you to fix your car the right way. Because, you know, a lot of times you're just getting it back to get it where you get it rolling, you get back out there and, and, and, you know,

you're just trying to make laps where this now there's a point on the table you know you're going to you're going to you know i mean we might see this at ovals you know if you can get it fixed but but i'm just saying you but you're going to take maybe a little extra time to make sure it's done right you're not going to have cars going back out there that might not be ready to go back out there shit falling off them you know this is this could entice people to fix things the right way and try to chase this point that's two races now darlington and uh mexico that they they have rebuilt that car and i'm and i'm like sitting back, I'm going, what are the parts that they put on? You know, you're only allowed a certain amount of parts in the NASCAR rulebook that we are allowed to change.

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Carson, anything? Fired up? What we got? Nothing's got me mad. Jesus. This is like weeks in a row. Okay, well, maybe I wanted to talk about something good today. We can talk about something.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's do it. No, I mean, I just want to, one, give a shout out to Minnie Tyrell and his family. They are the salt to the earth people. They do so much, like this year is already over with Dominion, and they're already in on to next year of planning the race.

And what they do to bring all those kids and their families out to experience a weekend with us. Takes a lot. And we also take for granted how lucky we are to travel every weekend and be healthy. and be healthy and not have to worry about everything. So it's just a weekend where we don't really care about the racing and it just puts into perspective, you know, how precious life is. I do want to say to my heart is with the Heinz family. There's a young boy named Lincoln who has been able to join us

the past couple years that we've done this. And he was put on hospice about a week and a half before the race. And he still wanted to come. He still wanted to go and experience the weekend with Chad McCombie. for the third time in a row. And he did. He did driver intros, did the rides in the car. And unfortunately, he passed away on Saturday night at the conclusion of the race.

So as awful as that is, it's still so beautiful that he got to spend his last day at the racetrack with Chad and around people that love him and with us at the car store. So all in all, I just, that's what's got me fired up this weekend. It's got me fired up now too. Thank you. So it was awesome. Thank you. Thank you.

Great story. You know, looking to me like, I mean, you were in, you were. were you had your hand in all of this, whether it was the, I don't even know what you'd call it on, Friday night. We did like a little dinner where, that's kind of like where the drivers and the families can kind of like get to meet and mingle for the first time. And they do like some guest speakers and things like that. Kip and I both get up there and say a few words.

And the other cool thing too is they had a representative there this year that, you know, the families could go talk to and get resources and answers to questions about treatments and like what's available to them and things that. the hospital doesn't necessarily tell you. So there's so many moving parts to it. And it's just, it's so cool to be there and see it all. It was a great weekend.

Shout out to Minnie for winning. Any one. I told him, I said Bob Ross couldn't have painted a better picture. Like, you win your own race. Like, it was very Suarez-esque. I know, right? It was like the theme of the weekend, I guess.

But no, it was, it was really cool. So shout out to Minnie, and I already can't wait for next year. Matt, how cool is it? I know you go to a lot of the cars to a race. What is that series? You've seen that series changed over the years, I'm sure. How important is that series to the landscape of the sport right now?

All I can tell you is like I'm 37, and so the heyday of the old ASA and the old ArtGo series, ProCup. I wasn't around for that. And loving regional short track racing, I always wished we had that kind of marquee series. Obviously the Wheel and Modified Tour up north, you guys have that. Well, not lately, but yeah. Sure. But down south, I've wanted to experience what that was like. And Cars Tour is delivering that to us down South.

Smart Tour, if you're a tour-type modified fan. We have ASAs back now. I'm living this childhood fantasy, the things that I wish we had when I was growing up, we have it now. And it's an important bridge between the short track audience and the NASCAR audience. Yeah. We did this. We talked about this on the live show here a couple weeks ago.

I compare that the Canaan series of what we used to have in the Canaan series with when we were racing Arrow Bub and stuff to what the car store is now. Like that feel like that's a comparison of where you're going to see the young talent come from. Yeah, that's what I always say. Shout out to Justin.

Bonsignor? Yeah, we don't like him. Yeah, but we got to look, he's taken out 47 cars so far this year. But finally, he wins, you know, he comes to his home track, right? Did he reckon anybody Saturday? He didn't, right. He's on the way out. He's like, Baldwin, don't talk bad about me.

I said, you didn't do nothing stupid. But, you know, shout out to him. A new record, Riverhead Raceway, 12. 12 wins. Who are that? I'm assuming Michael. Mike Muenzko, yep. And I think he moved to the third all time. Yeah. Good friend.

I mean, Justin's a good friend about his spotter for him. Back in the day at Riverhead when he was just getting started. So I'm proud of him. He's getting gray, man. You see him. He's getting old. I mean, the kid delivered a baby in the McDonald's parking alone. What do you want from him?

So insane. So insane. He owns a company. His hair's all fluffed out and still fast at Ribahead. All right. Well, it's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. Andrew said we have some good ones today. So I'm excited to...

People stepped it out. Do we need a translator? Yes. Yes, from multiple different countries. Oh, sweet. Okay. For the record, I love this part. All right.

Here we go. He's like, ready. This first one is an SVG fan. Now he may be from New Zealand, but stuff's coming out from both holes from both sides of the end. It's the brown thunder from down under. Jane Van Gisberger.

What I'm concerned about, and maybe I don't know anatomy as well as maybe the next man, but he said I'm leaking out of both holes, and I feel like there's more than that. I don't know. Well, when you're having issues, it's really just two holes that you're really leaking out. I mean,

I'm disgusted. For the record, I have pupe through my nose. It's possible. Yeah, that's four. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for sharing. Can we move on? Next. Brother Cowbush just won the Legends car race.

Yes. Some of shoot out. My wife said it count. I am fucking brick. of blackouty Ricked up I'm so happy for him My wife said it counts

Is the best one of the guy I was worried You know there's probably a lot of wives That's don't acknowledge Legend cars wins Fair Gotta be you know It's challenging

Bricked up is crazy All right If the Budweiser driver Wants to go fight The Miller Light driver That's fine Don't go to fight somebody In their car

With fun pops On the back of your damn Unipon What are you gonna do it It will fight You can't tipple fight. You're grown ass man. Don't tipple fight, nobody.

I'm the fuck now. Oh, that's good. That's good. I just love the fact that he's putting his interview. Like, I'll see him when we get back to the States. Like, I'm not going to go to jail here, but I just, no chances down here. I don't think Stenhouse hates Carson Hussavar, but I bet a month's paycheck that Ricky would unplug Hosevar's life support to charge his phone. I wouldn't go that far, but no.

Oh, man. I just, like, you can't ever spin out somebody when you're a lap down. Let's not even talk about it. We've given him way too much publicity. We've given him plenty of fucking publicity the last, however many shows. I'm sick of talking about him. Oh, boy. Oh, fuck you.

S.BJ. for the wind. You go, you good, can. Did he say the C-word? Yeah, but I mean, that's the term of the. Deerment for them. He said good. He said good before it. I wish I lived in New Zealand.

Yeah. You could, you could, uh. So I could use that word all the time. Just, I use that word all the time. Yeah. That's the one word. I love that word. That's the word.

That's a word that just can't, that doesn't, you can't let that one fly. Not around, no. My wife would kill me, I think, if I ever. Yeah, I mean, for the record, I don't use it often, but. Often. Not often. Not daily. She doesn't use it daily.

Only when somebody really deserves it. Sometimes it's necessary. So it is. Who is the last person? I can't. You probably know. Poor Kip. Poor Kip. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of guesses.

Anyways. Next. We have a new name for a fan base. Okay. I see your chase sexuals and host of our hoes, and I raise you the Denny Dick Riders. I may be a day as great guy, but I don't think I'm going to join the dick riders anytime soon. The DDR. The DDR.

The DDR. Yeah. Let me tell you something, man. I was expecting some driver intro, some crazy driver interest for Sunday. I was expecting all your answers to be like. Elan number noventy-trakos racing, Ganyos Suarez. But now, we didn't get any of that kind of stuff, man. I like that his voice went deeper when he did the accent

They did bring somebody out for Daniel, right? Somebody came out and introduced Daniel either in Spanish or they said something in Spanish before they didn't come out. I unfortunately don't know. Why would they have to bring someone out for Daniel? But they said like they did it was for the crowd, I assume. Yeah, but Daniel could have did it himself. I will tell you, he missed Brad Perez's entrance though on Saturday.

Oh, really? He basically introduced himself and he danced across the stage. It was good. Hey, quick question. how tight do you think Ricky Stenhouse's ass is after Riley Hertz just tried to totally just unalive his car? Unalive his car. I bet you couldn't even push a damn part for that damn thing right now. I mean, could you guys see that?

I could see it. It was right in front of me in the stadium section. His ass. You can see his ass. You can see his ass. When he leaned in the Carson's car, I got a good look at it. He arched his back just right. But Riley spun out right in front of him.

of us. Well, you didn't spend, I think Byron got into the back of him and turned him around. So he spans, and he's sitting broadside in the middle of the racetrack. So I just tell Bubba, you know, Bubba was on the right line. I said, just stay straight. You're good. So we stay straight. We get by it, but now I'm just watching, you know, Bubba goes through the stadium section. And Riley does a U-turn, but when

he throttle, I mean, and I'm sure everybody saw it, but, like, you're seeing it, like watching it happen in slow motion. I'm like, oh, my God, he's going to hit him. And luckily, Ricky, you know, just missed him. But that would have been a new garden. That would have been, you Yeah, that would have been really, really bad. All right.

Well, those were definitely a step up. Those were funny. I almost had tears at one point. So to leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number at 704-802-9572, and we will play the best ones each week on the show. And moving right along to AskDBC. You can send in your questions on X each week

using hashtag AskDBC. And Danny would like to know, was the altitude as much of a problem as everyone thought it was going to be? I don't think so from the car side, right? We didn't have any of the cooling issues that we were worried about. No break issues that I know of. For us, anyway, I mean, there was the, you know, there was tire wear. The tire wear was higher than we expected it to be.

So I don't know how altitude equates to that at all. But for the car side of things, no, for my fat-ass climbing to the top of that stadium section, yeah, maybe a little bit. Matt, you talked about it. That would be at Pocono, Michigan. Riverhead. No, it was different there. I think Matt would agree that it was, you could definitely. tell there was a difference.

You know, for... I cycle seven miles, five days a week, and just to run across the highway for a green light, I was gas. Really? It was hard. Sleeping. I've had the worst sleep. Because you're taking shallower breaths when you're asleep. So, yeah. Yeah, I didn't sleep good

either. I didn't even think about that. Well, come on. I was only drunk the one night the last night. The other night, I was pretty good. That doesn't help either. I'll tell you. I woke up. I didn't have to get any oxygen, thankfully. Yeah, at least you didn't have to sleep with an oxygen tank like me at 24 fucking years old. The number of times, though, I realized I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's harsh. You noticed it for sure, but it wasn't like, holy cow, there's a problem. I was thinking I would want to go next year, but maybe not. I'm traumatized from Breckenridge still. All right. Well, besides the altitude, what kind of shit shows did everybody witness this week?

My favorite one was the cameraman falling over chasing the one guy. That was, I felt bad for that guy. Did you see this in the indie car race? yeah but for me my my shit show the week was early in the week I don't exactly know what the hell Moody was thinking about when he tweeted about the terminal D exploding at the airport while we were all there but I would I'd rather we not put that out into the world for everybody to think about I'd have to go back and my tweet my phone's not working

right now but it was basically like if term you might remember a bit better but it was like basically if Terminal D at Charles Duggler Airports blows up right now the NASCAR industry is going to be in a world to hurt or something like that Two words you're not supposed to use in the same sentence are airport and blows up. That's three words. Well, whatever. Phrase, what the fuck ever? You know.

You get it. My one shit show, okay. Someone actually took a YouTube video of the plane that had the engine failure. And if you go and find this video in the YouTube description, this guy was so excited to see this plane take off in person. Because he's like, I can't believe that someone actually allowed this plane to fly. They don't fly anymore. I want to see it in person because this is something that hasn't happened in like 15 years. Why the hell was it flying us?

That was my question. That is shit show territory. This is why we were talking about the logistics. Maybe you weren't so amazing. I would assume next time we leave the country we're going to be able to use our own planes. Yeah, I would, or yes, or something better than that we had. Maybe an American Airlines jet would be nice. I think Moody's tweet has to be on there.

For me, like shit show Hall of Fame, we could talk about it was literally a shit show. I mean, all these guys were shitting their pants on Saturday on Sunday. You know, SVG is talking about leaking out of both holes. Grangson had multiple stories up about all the emotion that he had to take to try to get through the race. I'm pretty certain that the last time Noah went to Mexico, I feel like I remember seeing him on vacation or something somewhere in Mexico within the last handful of years. He had the same exact problem. I don't know if you're- He drank the water and he shit himself. So did he not learn the first time?

know if you're aware of this, Noah is not real bright. Well, that is true. Maybe I was trying to give him too much credit. Noah, we have some questions about Noah, you know. Listen to this. Decision making. A 39-year-old aviation classic in an extremely rare aircraft to see flying in 2025, the Boeing 737200 at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.

This was an apparently, it was an event. Oh, well, it turned into one. It almost turned into a really bad one. God, it happened on the ground. Yeah, you didn't get to see it take off, but you didn't get to see it explode. Who else? I think we could put Hosef Arnsdenhouse in there. Oh, yeah.

Host of Arnsdenhouse for sure goes on the list. I think literally shit show. Riley. Drivers. Shitting their pants. Riley, almost killing himself, basically. And Moody's tweet, I think, has to be on there. We're leaving the IndyCar cameraman off.

Yeah, probably. I don't think enough of our fans probably watch that race. That's the last time I ever give a suggestion. No, that was good. I mean, you can put it on there. I'm just kidding. I don't care. I'm kidding. Ty Dillon won, killing the squirrel won last week.

Did it? That's good. Yeah. I'm glad he. I got a lot of comments about Ricky saying, did he die? No, no, he was fine. Well, remember to go vote on our Shitshow Hall of Fame Twitter poll on who you want to see inducted into the Shet Show Hall of Fame this week. DBC picks.

Who? So the guest won again? Stenhouse one. picking as VG. It's bullshit. We all did fairly well. We were all in the top 15. You get to pick first though, Carson.

Because I was the worst. Where we, what's going on? We're going to Pocono. Wait, have I not picked Austin Sindrick yet anywhere? If he's on your list, you haven't picked them. I'm going to just, I'm going to go ahead and pick Austin Cendrick. It's like the best one I got left.

That's the guy, huh? For you? I'm going to take, I might have to lay up a little bit this week and save some guys. Justin Haley. Yeah, that's rough. You're laying up.

Justin Haley, he run pretty good there before. Yeah, he did. I am going to take Christopher Bell. It's good, Briscoe. A lot of speed lately. Yeah, he has that. I mean, I don't know where. I don't know where.

He was getting used as a pinball machine, three quarters of that race, and I look where he finished him. I'm like, how the hell did he finish there? Yeah, he had some damage. I think he was caught in that wreck early with when Kyle blew the corner, which that was,

that maybe that should be a shit show. shit show. I mean, they cut to the camera and there's just lead or tungsten laying on the racetrack. I was like, damn. I felt bad for Zane because he was using Kyle as a judge to when breaking. They both, they both missed. That's a shit show nominee. Let's do, let's use that.

Let's definitely use that one. Kyle. Well, we'll make a list for the, we'll text a list. From Legends winner to shit show nominee. From the Pan House to the Shihouse real quick. Have to give whatever. they got back on Tuesday. They got to give it back. Pocono this week. Thomas, we love Pocono. It's close to home for us. I know we used to go modified

racing there back in the day. What do you got going on this weekend? Luke runs the truck race Friday. We just finished him a little while ago, so I think he's ready to go. And yeah, we got the cup race. The problem with the schedule now is they screwed us over because we used to make, we used to finish practice or qualifying whatever was on Saturday afternoon and Hall asked the Riverhead for Saturday night, me, Tommy. Doug would go with us and they changed the schedule now where stuff moved back to late

on Saturday for us to make it but that used to be a fun trip all the time but yeah Carson where are we at this week and anything? Car store is off until July 2nd we race Carraway I'm gonna head on down to Florida this weekend and go to one of our car store kids

graduation parties so did not believe it not did not run into many DVC fans out in Mexico this week I didn't go out a whole lot I ran into a handful at Dominion I will say I did see somebody, somebody tagged this in a picture or tagged you and me in a picture of you. It was actually a set of twins,

and they were in a competition of who could get a photo with me first. Oh. Yeah. Congratulations to the winner of that. No good resumes. They were, no prospect. They had children and they were married.

Chill. No, I meant overall. You were always trying to set me up. Just trying to help out, you know, just trying to. I don't know if it's helping, whoever that poor soul is ends up being, but. Don't you have a son my age? Yeah.

Yeah, I do. I don't know. I don't know what's the lesser of two evils there. I always get panicked because I've multiple times I've had people come up to me and they're like, do you know Jack Baldwin? And I'm like, oh, shit. How old is your daughter?

That's why they're asking. But anyway, Pocono this weekend, Tommy. I mean, I don't think anything special, prep-wise, different, you know, just one car. I assume for you guys. Matt, were you at this weekend? I'm tapped out. What do you mean?

It's the first weekend I think I've had it home since February. This is the one. Good for you. Surely you're going somewhere. I'm not. Something on Flow, right? Probably. Good for you.

Have you heard about a flow sports. link slash DBC1 to go get your membership for the year? Get your own subscription. I mean, talk about that for a second because we talk about it here. But as a short track guy, I know that's where your heart and soul is, kind of like me and Tommy both. I mean, how awesome is flow? Just bringing that to the forefront of race. You're seeing races and race tracks you'd probably never see in your lifetime,

but now you can see him on a weekly basis. I watched a car's tour race from Mexico City, and saying that out loud, five, ten years ago would have sounded like nuts. And by the way, what a great race at Stafford last Friday night with Michael Christopher. That was an awesome race. Yeah, he got mad at me because Michael, Christopher Jr., one, he passed Jonathan Puglio. on the last lap or two to go, whatever it was. He hit a nice crossover move to get underneath him.

So I just sent him a text like a thumbs up and he's like, man, I carved that guy's eyes out and all you give me is a thumbs up. I was like, I'm fucking bro in Mexico. Give me a breaker. And drink a tequila. But shout out to him. He did a great job, obviously. Him and his dad are two of the real core guys up there in the Northeast.

So good to see him win. Looking forward to Pocono this week. We will be back next week. I have no idea who's on the show next week yet. but I'm sure we'll get somebody good round up. You're coming back next week, right? Because originally you were going to bail on me, but now you're coming home. So we'll be back next week.

Full cast and some poor soul will be in that and we've shared. Matt, thank you for joining us. Probably not the last time we'll see you in this room, but we appreciate you stopping by today. No, thank you all. I love the show. Love what you guys contribute to the sport and big time pleasure to be here. Yep. Thank you for coming and we'll see everybody next week.

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