Door Bumper Clear - Remembering Rowdy with Eric Brennan & Tony Hirschman

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

The NASCAR family lost a member of its Mount Rushmore this week — Kyle Busch passed away at the age of 41. And while it may seem like no words can explain the grief the entire racing community feels, we invited his longtime spotter, Tony Hirschman, to the Door Bumper Clear table to share fond memories and mourn along our side. Also joining us is the newest phenom to hit the booth, Eric Brennan, who was the first to address the television airwaves after Rowdy's passing. We open up with Tony, Eric, Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge all describing the past few days and remembering the kind of person, father, and racer Kyle Busch was to all of us. After that, we get onto the racing this weekend — or lack thereof, thanks to Mother Nature's weather patterns.  In Spot On, Spot Off, the crew covers: -  Should Kyle Busch be instantly added to the NASCAR Hall of Fame? - The full circle moment of the Coca-Cola 600 trophy returning to Spire Motorsports, which was formerly Kyle Busch Motorsports - Questionable weather calls for the O'Reilly Series race - And whether or not the truck race could have gone one more lap In Reaction Theatre, fans called in to share memories of meeting Rowdy and lift our spirits with some jokes along the way. In Ask DBC, we ask the spotters how difficult it is to tell the red, white, and blue paint schemes apart on Memorial Day Weekend. And in DBC Picks, the gang chooses their top dogs for Nashville. This might not have been the most fun show to tape, but it was important for all of us to get together and honor Kyle Busch's life. Our thoughts and prayers are with Samantha, Brexton, Lennix, Kurt, and the entire Busch family as they go through this tragic time. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. Hey, what's up everybody, Freddie Craft? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. We are here this week, a couple extra guests in the room. Tommy, how are you today, sir? You're doing good, man. It's a day late, right? Yeah, a little late.

Middle of the day. Middle and working day. And back and forth to Concord already. Carson, how are you today? I'm well. I count to work today and realized I totally forgot what I do for work from the long weekend. So, um, how's your chair so far? My chair is not on hydraulics this week.

So I should not be sinking like I was the last time. Obviously, not, I don't know. It's not a great weekend in the sport in general. Obviously, we lost Kyle Bush this week. Um, we got Hirschman here. We're going to talk about a lot about Kyle. But I needed to live in the room up a little bit. I needed to find somebody that had a good weekend.

And Eric Brennan, welcome to door bumper clear. Happy to be here. Unbelievable job you did this weekend. How take us through you kind of, I knew. We knew ahead of time this was your first truck race coming up, and then obviously everything that happens, you're going to be the first person on air. How do you prepare yourself for that going on this weekend?

It was hard. And I mean, it's wild because we had this whole game plan, you know, working with like racing insights. Everything was about Kyle. Going for 70, the track he won his first. And then by Thursday night, we were on about eight different phone calls trying to figure out how are we going to do this.

I give all the credit in the world to Rich Gross, my producer, and everybody at Fox, because they came up with a game plan to, try to do our best to honor Kyle, but also to give everyone a distraction to enjoy what was supposed to be the first race the weekend. So it was tough. Everyone did a great job. Obviously, the weather sucked. I know we'll get into that. But the race was great. Even though they only ran, I think, 12 laps was the longest green flag run we had. But the largest lead of the race was less than seven-tenths of a second. So it was a good round 12 lapses. It was a good distraction, but it was tough.

We were talking about this last night. One of the more prominent broadcasters, somebody that reached out to you before this, to kind of give you some words of advice, like, I don't know if you want to touch on that at all. Yeah, Mike Joy reached out to Rich and said, hey, if Eric wants, you know, I'd love to talk to him. And I thought about reaching out to Mike,

but I was trying to be respectful to what he may be feeling, you know, because everyone feels a sense of loss. Even I didn't know Kyle personally, and I felt the sense of loss, you know. And he gave me 25 minutes. He was driving up to his home track, line rock. He did the Trans Am race,

this past weekend. And he gave me a lot of insight as to what they did at Rockingham in 01. And it was like he turned a pressure release valve off on me. And I just felt so much more relaxed and kind of composed. And the best advice was just be human. If you're,

if you show an organic emotion and a human emotion in this moment, people will realize it's authentic and you're hurting just like they are. And that advice was really what I needed. Yeah. And I, I can't thank him enough. Well, I've told you this 100 times already, but you knocked it out of the park.

You did a phenomenal job with it. Really, really proud of everything you've done. Hirsch, how are you today, sir? I'm doing fine. How are you? What was the, give me the timeline of the years you worked with Kyle. Obviously, you longtime Kyle were spotted for Trucks, Xfinity Cup, whatever. Yeah, so I started working with Kyle in 2012 and then I had worked with him for 11 years. So, you know, not the age myself, but I've worked with him for almost a quarter of my life.

So it was a special time, a lot of wins, a lot, a lot of wins. I think between the big three, we've worked together for 95 wins between Cup Truck and Xfinity. So, you know, growing up in a sport, obviously my dad, he was my hero, still is my hero. And he taught me everything I know about the sport. But, you know, successful by association, you know, getting the work with Kyle taught me about, you know, the big the big three racing how to race what to look for so he made made me jump incrementally and i think that's what's kept me into business for that long just everything that i learned learned by watching kyle just like you know growing up watching my dad race when you watch and

learn from the absolute best to ever do it um shame on me if i don't pay attention and uh and apply that to you know my like my kbm kids you know jones bell um that that whole gang there i was I was fortunate to be able to work with them. And, you know, I'll always be grateful and thankful to Kyle for everything he taught me, welcoming me in. And I'm thankful that I got to see the behind-the-scenes stuff, not just what was on camera and not with all the little clips that I still pop up in the radio clips and stuff. You know, that makes me chuckle. But, you know, love Kyle, love working with them, love the time with them. obviously thinking of you know Samantha, Brex, Lennox, you know, Tom, Gay, Kurt, the whole family

because, you know, they welcome me in as if I was family. And, you know, I'll always cherish and appreciate that. Talk to me about spotting for Kyle Bush because, like you said, we hear the clips. He was obviously, I mean, he's on the Mount Rush more of NASCAR drivers, I think. But, you know, there's two sides of Kyle, obviously. I mean, it was really only one side. He was ultra competitive all out all the time. Obviously had reactions in the moment.

But like how hard was it to harness that? Like, you know, you have a psychology degree from Penn State. Like, how hard was that to harness? Harness that and steer it in the right direction. Because obviously there's sometimes he can get off the tracks a little bit. And you got to kind of point in the right direction. For sure. And it was it was all on how you worded it.

Like he never, and understandably so, like you had to word it properly where he didn't feel like you were coming at him. Like we were all working together and pulling the rope and to say, in the same direction. So yeah, he was fiery, but it was, I associate it with, you know, he just demanded the best

out of me, out of the team, out of the truck, the car, he demanded the best out of himself. So there was no, there was no lax, there was no give up.

So if he got on me about something or if he got, it's because he wanted the absolute best for everybody. And it's like, you know, working through the KBM stuff, all the kids that he had in the trucks,

you know, I know, sometimes he could be, you know, super critical on them, but that's you should. We're here in a professional sport, a performance-based business. So whether you're driving,

crew-cheving, spotting, if you're not doing 100% what you should be doing, somebody should be getting on your butt about it. And to me, you guys, Tommy, you know, Freddie, like you guys know my family. So that's the way I grew up racing.

You know, we loved each other and we'd do anything we could for each other. But it wasn't always backpading. You know, there was hard conversations, on trips back from Thompson and trips back from Stafford. If I messed up as a spotter, my dad would be on me about, hey, you need to do this or you need to look for that, or this would help or that would help.

But also, as good as my dad was, if I felt that he missed something, it was just hard conversations back and forth. But that's how you get better. So, and I appreciate it, Kyle, like there's some people that would take that stuff personally or, you know, sort of cower back down, but was it a little rough around the edges sometime?

Sure. But you had to, like, break off the shell. and get to the underlying message to, hey, you know, KBM was his pride and joy for sure. You know, he wanted that to be super successful and, you know, putting people in place to make it that way. So it just, you know, you had to look under the hard, the rough edges to get the underlying message. But the underlying message is always, I know you can do it. So you have the potential to do it. So let's do it.

What do we have to do to get this right? So, but yeah, just on the radio, yeah, you get fired up. And there was times, I'm like, but, you know, it's fine. Hold the button down. Yeah, I had to hold the button down a little bit. But, yeah, but I know where it was, I understand where it was coming from, the frustration when things weren't going right, because he put as much pressure on himself to, like, I know I'm good.

And I should be up front. So when I'm not, like, what do I need to do? What do we got to do to make this better? So, you know, sometimes it would snowball a little bit. But, you know, over time, that's when I come in, you all, you hear all the, there is like, you know, Kyle was one of the best in a sport, but he isn't going to have the mental game to be a champion,

you know, to be able to do it overseas. And so that was a work in progress. But if you tell Kyle Busch, he couldn't do something, look out because it was coming. And he was going to do whatever he needed to do to do it. And he proved everybody wrong, you know,

two-time champion. Like I said, Mount Rushmore drivers, one of the best ever all time to do it, not just a NASCAR, but I would say in any form of racing. Yeah. You know,

I'm not overly emotional, but like I feel like a lot of times from me especially, even like my dad passed away a couple years ago. And like I obviously I was sad to my dad passed away, but I was okay, I can contain myself. But then Tommy, when you see like the reaction of other people, like, I still get, I get

like the Facebook memory will pop up and I'll read the post about my dad and I get choked up to this day, like reading everybody else, how he affected everybody else. And I think that's the biggest thing I took away from this weekend was just seeing the effect that Kyle had on so many people across this sport. Like, I mean, I mean,

the world. I mean, I was watching the golf channel the other day, and they stopped for a moment of silence on the golf channel. I mean, so it spread wider than, I think, our sport. And, you know, to touch on what Tony said, it's like how aggravating it was during that time when he was doing that. And look, we have to be clear, there's only a select few in our sport or any other sport

that can command that type of thought process. right? And it's only commanded because of how really good he was. He started out winning races from the get-go. So he could command that. He demanded that. So it was easier for him to steer that and create that sense around him, right? And everybody, nobody liked it, right? Until now, right, unfortunately, he's passed away. Everyone's like, oh, my God, look at all the people he's touched. Look at all the races he won. You know, I didn't, I got to thinking about, you know, the guys won, not only all the cup races and the truck races and the O'Reilly, Xfinity Bush, whatever they were at the time,

but all the big races, he, late model races. He won all up and down to northeast, you know. It's like the guy just went to go entertain, and you didn't realize that. Yeah, he went to go, he wanted to win everywhere he went, but he was at a point in his life that I think he understood hit what, now what he's supposed to do, right? Not only with Brexton, but with the whole racing world, you know, look at the accomplishments.

If you work really hard, this is what you're capable of doing. I'm going to go down and race with these kids. I'm going to show them the same mentality and keep growing the sport. And it's like, you never think of that stuff, right? You don't think of that stuff until, unfortunately, we know, after the fact, right?

You never go back because you're only in the moment, right? You're only thinking, like, man, this guy's a, you know, just got, you know, but it's like, now you're like, holy cow, right? And it changes. It's, it's unbelievable how everybody's perspective of Kyle have changed with his passing, right? It's like, now they get it. But how many people are going to be able to come in and do what he did, how he did it. No. I remember when Kobe Bryant died, Tony Realli, who used to host around the horn, said, it's okay to be impacted by the loss of someone you didn't know, because a part of you passes too. And for all the fans who were wearing Kyle's shirts this weekend,

and even the race fan in me was hurting. And I'll steal a line from Jeff Gluck. The one thing that, again, this is the race fan talking, that really breaks my heart, is that his body of work will forever be unfinished. We'll never know what the final total is going to be to his success. But that impact that you were talking about and the shift towards the end of his career,

I think, is a broader part of his legacy than just the result. That will be his body of work. You know, I know, I know, Tony, you mentioned how many years you work for him, but how hard was it when you had to make the choice, whether to go with him or stay where you were at that point, dealing with him all those years? Yeah, it was really difficult. And, you know, obviously, it was a lot of late nights and discussions and, you know, looking, you know, plotting out pros, cons, pluses, minuses.

You know, it was really hard for me because, like I said, Kyle and, you know, and his family were like family to me, but also, you know, JGR, they treated me well for, you know, that, that whole time along the way. So I sort of had, like, two families that I didn't, you know, didn't really want to pick, I had to choose, really didn't want to pick size. But it was, you know, it was a really difficult, a lot of difficult conversation. You know, I talked with my dad about it a lot, you know, talked with some of my closest friends on, like, what they thought. And, and, you know, nobody can really answer that for you. So it was, you know, it was a couple weeks of, you know, what should I do?

But like I said, you know, JGR as a whole has treated me beyond excellent for all the years that I've been there. This is 15 years that I've been there and, you know, just felt that that was family. I knew everybody there. They all treated me well. They made me feel welcome every week. And obviously having the opportunity to work with Thai, I think the world of Thai,

just, you know, where he's, you know, the success that he's had at such a young age. And to be able to keep working with him. I just thought at the time that was my best bet, my best play, just on, I'm a creature habit, really honestly more than anything. It's the Hirschman way. Yeah, I was just going to say. So, yeah, just I knew how, you know, my travel worked, being up in Pennsylvania, I knew how my travel worked. I knew how the, you know, the inner workings of JGR worked and how just the processes.

And so rather than retrain myself, I just, you know, I just felt more comfortable staying at JGR. Yeah, I would have loved to have worked with Kyle as well. But I just made the decision over a couple of weeks to stay at JGR. And, you know, we're 15 years in now and still going. And obviously, he ties this year. He's, you know, same thing. He's really showing everybody what he's capable of and the consistency and how far he's progressing.

And he's, you know, I'm super proud of him and super proud of the team. Again, we're just all pulling the rope in the same direction. and everything's there. Everything's in place to be successful, just like I said, or with Kyle, when you have all the parts and the pieces to be successful, it's on us to figure it out. What do I got to do as a spotter to help out? Or, you know, what do we got to do as a team?

And obviously, things are clicking and the results are showing. Kyle, talk to me a little bit about Kyle. So Kyle was the ultimate villain. He played that villain role, and nobody will ever do it better than he did it for that, you know, amount of time, whatever was, 10, 15 years. You're doing a pretty good job on the modified side for it. But we learn from him, essentially.

But I think what a lot of people don't realize is the stuff Kyle does behind the scenes. Like he doesn't want, like you hear the stories this week about Colin Suarez every week, you know, during, like, his first rookie year and helping him. I mean, what he did for Bubba was unbelievable, you know. But he didn't want that stuff. Like he didn't want to put himself like, oh, he didn't want to even know really, I don't think. It was just he wanted to help these guys, but it wasn't like making it. I'm helping this guy or whatever. It was, and like, I feel like that was across the board.

I mean, we saw yesterday there was 10 guys in the cup race or Sunday that came directly from KBM, you know? So, like, talk about that a little bit because I feel like he was always the kind of guy, like obviously he was had that bravado. He had that villain role. But there was a very side of Kyle where he was, he would help anybody and really didn't want it known, honestly. Yeah, for sure.

That's, uh, I wish everybody could have seen the, like I said, the off camera, Kyle, the behind the scenes camera, like when he would come, when he came to my dad's shop, there one time just when he walked in and just like the questions he would ask like you know Matt was working on his car and at that point I think Matt's car was maybe 13 14 years old and Kyle's like hey oh you know how old is this car Matt's like oh we built it in an 03 and Kyle's like 13 Matt's like no no 2003 so Kyle's like how many races you have on it and Matt's like I don't know like a hundred some and then Kyle was like well our average life span of our cars there's 2.4 races or 2.3 races so my dad just over there's shaking his head but yeah it's all the

behind-the-scenes stuff. You know, I know Kyle helped Matt out. You know, when he run that at the SRX race, he got the opportunity to run that, you know, with, uh, he helped Matt out with that some. Um, and, you know, I know he's helped just the, the short track stuff and the, in the behind-the-scenes stuff, like, and doesn't want notoriety for that. And that's, that's hard, hard to come by. Like, anytime I would ever pick up the phone and call and ask a question, like, hey, what do you think about X or, you know, can you help with this? It was, it was never, let me think about it. Let me get back to it's like yeah let's let's make it happen what do we need to do and um you know again i'll always be grateful for that and even you know from from what what we do everything was evolving over

time like even it wasn't just one year it's like 11 years in we were talking like how can i be better how can we work better together you know what do you need more from my end so it was always evolving and it was just it opened i mean open good conversations and relationship on he wanted me to be better. I wanted to be better. He wanted to be better. What do you see? So just over time, that's how he's succeed, really, by always trying to improve. He never get stagnant. Never like, well, we're good enough. It was always wanted to be better. Yeah. He was, he was one of the best, and we could sit here for the next two hours talking about college. The most hated Victory Lane celebration is going to become the most iconic and the most respected

and it's going to happen all over the country forever from this point on that everybody in the beginning was pissed off at him about doing, right? It was arrogant. Well, you know what? That's Kyle Bush. And here we are. And now the whole world is going to be bowing, you know. Eric, I'm going to count on you to cheer us up here a little bit.

Talk to me about the broadcast. Obviously, you've been doing this forever. We've met, we've known each other a really long time back Wall Stadium days. talk about the prep that goes into it and then the broadcast itself. You knocked it out of the park this weekend. So talk to me just about all the prep stuff, everything. It was a little bit of information overload because it seems like the higher you get, it's probably like this same thing with spotting or racing.

The more resources you have, so with the truck race compared to some of the ARCA stuff or the cars tour stuff that we do, there was just so much data available. Yeah, you get my dinky little production notes every Thursday for the car store racing. Which is awesome. You got two sheets, so then you probably go to all these screens and stuff. Yeah, and there's like just full page information on everyone. So it was a little bit of information overload at first.

But outside of that, just having the ability to know a lot about the competitors goes a long way. Being at the track, I love it because I could get some storylines from people right there on the spot. So my preference is to be at the Speedway. I'll answer that now. But calling the race is kind of the easy part because it's, again, I'm a race fan. and people have said, do you want to do anything else other than racing? And honestly, no. Racing has always been it for me,

because it's the one thing that will give me that constant range of emotions and watching something take place. And I know how much man hours goes into it. And I come from a blue-collar family myself. So, you know, being able to narrate not only what's happening on track, but also the life component as well, it's just so cool. And, you know, even learning over the weekend, everyone's individual incentives to want to win,

most of them all being for Kyle or in honor of Kyle to have the chance to kind of share that story and then have all the information to back it up with. It's a privilege, an absolute privilege, and I love it. How did you end up wanting to do this? I mean, like I know all the announces of Earl and Gary and all them at Wall, but I remember you doing this was back in, I don't even know, like late 2000s maybe or something like that.

But how did you come up with this? You just get from Staten Island, there's no racetracks in Tad Island. Yeah, we almost had one. We tried. I was the one person at like the pro rally to get the racetrack built there. but that didn't work. But the short answer is I broke my leg when I was about eight years old running through the house

and I was tied up all summer, couldn't go in the pool, couldn't go outside. We lived on the upper floor of a two-family apartment so I couldn't get up and down the stairs. And I found a race. And by 2000, I was hooked. And the reality was we were too poor to race. Like we went to a go-cart track

behind Englishtown Dragway. They had a go-car track in the behind the grandstands there. And we bought a book of how to get started in carding. It was like $10,000. we didn't even have a car. I mean, we took the MTA bus to go to the supermarket and the mall. So it became kind of obvious, okay, I'm never going to be able to race. And by the time I was like 14, I started yelling at the TV, watching the races.

And then I was doing the same work my dad was. I was an electrician. I was cutting school at age 16 to go change ballasts in commercial buildings. And we both got laid off in 0809. And I was like, I got to do something different. And I went to a broadcasting school, four-month program, walked out of there, I went to Wall and announced that wall up until I met my now wife, and she was brave enough to move south with me to kind of chase this thing.

So I still have a full-time job. I still still electrician. Yeah, still doing stuff. Changed a breaker out of my house recently. I didn't know that. You got some shit for you to do it. Give me a call. You ain't that's pay me.

If you got something liquid, I'm good. One other question I had for you before we move on to this weekend. There's kind of a debate going on in the media. It is like the last couple weeks. studio broadcasting versus at the racetrack. I saw J.R. Houston tweeted like Eric's calling Rex before the TV's showing them. Like, I think you need to be at the racetrack. I would assume that you would agree with that.

I prefer it. And I'll tell a story from last year. So for some of the ARCA standalones, they send us to those. So which is cool because I get to see Salem, Madison. Like some of these racetracks that I probably would never see otherwise. I actually get to go and look at them climb the bank and going into one at Salem. I walked into Butter Beans Haller last year at Salem, and he was on the floor with a rag over his face, sick as a dog.

And I'm like, man, are you good? He's like, yeah, I said, you know, do you want me to mention you're not feeling well? He's like, only if I run bad. And he ended up winning. But I would have never known that he was feeling that way if he weren't there. If I wasn't there. So, I mean, the studio is great, and it's very convenient to be home, you know, in a quick amount of time once we wrap up.

But the crux of the stories are at the track. And the same thing, the Toledo finale, when Max and Butterbeam were just knocking the crap out of each other, I could see the crowd all get on their feet. And then I could say as the crowd comes to its feet and then build a storyline off that. In the studio, it's hard to read the energy. So my preference is to be at the Speedway, you know, but I understand it's a business. I mean, TV as a whole is a business. Everything's a business. The sports is a business. And we're seeing it on the stick and ball side. There's a lot of, you know, baseball and hockey teams that they're not sending their teams on the road anymore. they'll do it from their home stadium and just watch a monitor.

And, you know, it kind of stinks that COVID kind of prove that you could do more with less, even less pit reporters, even less cameras. And, you know, I like to think that eventually it's going to swing back the other way. But for now, it's the way it is. Obviously, some controversy this weekend with lengths of races and rain and all of the things. This is when Bursman's psychology. We're going to need it. Well, no, I was using it.

myself this week. He needed it for himself. Yeah, he needed it for himself on Friday night or Saturday, whatever it was. I can imagine that comes in so handy sometimes. I think we'll get to the length of races and spot on, spot off. But I do want to give credit to, I mean, honestly, a lot of great pit calls this week is what determined

races. You know, we knew in the truck race we were racing to a certain time. 34 and I think the 91 did two tires, the 11, 17. We did four. And we ran out of chances to get there just with cautions and time, unfortunately. But, I mean, same We saw that Sunday with the 7 car.

Great call by Sparks to get him to lead and he defended it. Like, where do you got to be, Tommy, to take that risk of, fuck it, I'm just going to go for it and hope this works out. Because the 7, I mean, he was back there with us most of the day. And then the next thing you know, he's up there leading on two tires and hangs on. Yeah, I mean, they fought all night. They had issues all night. I think they had some tire issues going on during the run.

And that place is known for two tires. I mean, taking two and be able to get in that clean air. I don't know why, but a lot of races have been won. A lot of gambling at the end of the races to finish very well have been accomplished by taking two tires. So that place has a good record. So kudos to Sparks to Ryan Sparks did a really good job calling it. And I'm surprised not many others did it.

He took a gamble on the weather, right? Because if it didn't happen, it was only a matter of time before those guys were going to swallow him up. But he did. I mean, Suarez did an awesome job on the restarts, man. I mean, if it wasn't for his restarting, you know, how he restarted both those times, those guys going into one, if they had any sniff of his right rear wheel well opening, it was going to be done.

But he did a good job singling himself out, making the line he needed to take to win the race. Yeah, and there was, I mean, there was a couple times, Hersch, where I looked up, and Danny was next to him going by him and the yellow come out for the rain. You know, it's like, it's a bit, but just that's the way the cookie crumbles, right, at some point? Yeah, that's, you can only race when you're under green flight conditions. So if there's rain, if there's mist, if there's lightning, whatever it is, it's just the way the racing God smile on you sometimes. Truck race, big wreck with Corey, and that could have been a lot worse. I thought he was clearing the wall.

That got in real time. Listen, I think he owned it in his interview that he threw a really bad block and a lot of those this weekend. I was going to say it. Yeah, it was just, I mean, it was silly for, I don't know. Especially there was probably, I don't know, 80, 90 laps to go. And we were running like 10th. It wasn't for a lead or anything. But, you know, I think the spotter was calling inside.

So I don't really know why he did it. But, you know, he's a hard-nosed racer. And that's kind of the way he always runs. So but that just put himself in a bad spot. But we're lucky that it didn't get any worse than it was. Luke, can we slap the shit out Luke again? It's not his fault, man. What do you mean?

It's not his fault. And then his truck caught fire? Well, the fact that he drove into the fucking wall on the first lap might be a little as fall. It wasn't the first lap, but yeah. What was the second lap? Yeah. But, I mean, the engine is blue, right? I would have seen.

360 miles on. I mean, it's just, I'm just, it's just for loop. I'm just not. I'm not. I texted him last night, I said, I'm not, I just, I want you at the shop at seven. And you just work until I tell you until I get there. Oh, boy. Exfinity race, Tony.

We'll take to the winner for now. Spot on, spot off. We'll get to the other shit show. Right now, I couldn't even tell you who won that race. Who won the race? Who did win? Ross. Oh, that's right.

What a wrecked race car. The only reason I know that is because we have a beer toast on Wednesday. I got the team's message this morning. But, yeah, I mean, the race was what it was. We'll get to that later. Congrats to Ross, though. They did a good job. Yeah, lightning delay.

Yeah, what the fuck was that? I have a, yeah, I have a legitimate question because I, I sat down and watched the Coke 600 from start to finish for the very first time in a long time, like, at home. And I was entertained. Like, I will say overall, like, as a fan, even when there was nothing going on, I was, I was intrigued. Like, I thought it was entertaining from pit calls, all of it. And then we're, it's like getting really good.

And we're almost to the end. And all of a sudden, lightning. and then there's no lightning. What do they do a replay? In the office there? So they, I don't know what. And I thought the rule was like if there's lightning in the area. So it's supposed to be within eight miles, right?

Eight miles strike. 30 minutes. 30 minute delay. We're just, we're at there racing. We could meet Hersk on the roof. We could see the lightning off over behind the drag strip. And like we trust them. If it's not close enough to worry about it, like for us to worry about it, we don't,

we don't pay attention to it. And we hear the yell. So I'm like, son of a bitch, this is like 40 to go. Now this is going to be another 30 minutes. It's already like 1130 maybe or something like that. The guy's been there for six days. And next thing you know, they're like I noticed the first, usually when that happens, like the first time, you pick a pace car, you come right down, pit road. Everybody's got to, you know, seek shelter.

We stayed out. And I'm like, hell is going on. Then they opened pit road. And I'm like, wait a minute. What? Like, how are you open pit road? And then, all right, we're clear. I'm like, wait a minute.

Like, what do you mean? We're clear? And they said that. You know, it was moving away from the racetrack and it was barely within the range. I don't know. But it's just, you hate to see. I mean, it decided the race, essentially, that caution flag, right? I mean, they throw the yellow there.

Because that was right when Denny. Bell was leading. Denny was running him down. He was passing him. And then we come down pit road and Sparks takes two and Suarez wins the race. Like, we talk about consistency all the time, Tony. Like, we don't understand what's going on up there a lot now. Yeah, no, even like I said, what I said about the light.

and I just pretty much got down from my stool. Your ladder? My ladder. You were the highest one. He was the highest one. Yeah. I felt the rain first. I could call it first.

If you go on the roof at any racetrack, Hirschman always has a folding chair. Somewhere up there. He doesn't spot from it most of the time. Yeah, he's like a beach chair. We got to be comfortable. How old is that chair? I thought as old as a couple of decades.

The Hirschman way. So we all have to go get ladders to spot at Charlotte. Hirsch is like, he's got like a six foot ladder with a pad on it. He's sitting on top of the ladder. I'm like, you son of a bitch, you figured it out again. Yesterday, my feet, my back, everything hurt from standing on a ladder for five hours. And he's like, I feel fun. I'm like, idiot.

You're a lightened broth. I didn't want to give a shout out, SVG. Bad ass. Ran top. I think you got stage points every stage. I don't think you got the finish. He probably deserved it. Absolutely rolling some top.

It was so fun to watch. It was fun. Magic Mike had a good night. I was giving them shit after practice. I text them. I said, you know, qualifying. They were fastest in practice if nobody saw it. I said, you know qualifying got canceled? You can take that thing at a Q trim now. And he laughed or whatever.

And then, I mean, they ran top ten. Again, another one that didn't get the finish they probably deserved because I think they had a loose wheel or something on the last pit stop. But, you know, he ran, again, top ten for what they have, Tommy. How impressive is that to run? It's super impressive. I mean, they are on the bottom of the line of the food chain of information. and what they make out of it is

it's pretty sporty, man. I mean, he texts me in the middle of the race. Thank you. I don't know what he was thanking me for him. I don't know what we did. Maybe we moved over for, I don't know. I wasn't paying attention at that point. But, yeah, I mean, Magic Mike,

sometimes they get on a row, man. I'll go three, four weeks in a row. Then all of a sudden, it's like, you got to get some magic back, Mike. He uses up all his money. Did Ricky Rick Ross? I didn't see this. I saw a bunch of people tweeting about it,

but. Essentially. Essentially. Not like an intentional. Like Ross cleared him up off a two and I think Ricky went, like had a little bit of run. Like, hey, I'm here. And once he got into him, it just hooked Ross right away. And he didn't hit him square.

Like I think if he would have hit him a little more square, it maybe wouldn't have been so. No, I don't think that mattered. But I think he was like, I'm coming. Move over. And Ross. He moved over. Yeah. Yeah, after he hit him.

But at that point, what do you guys say? Right. Tony, what do you say? When you see a car coming off with that much. speed versus what you have. Do you say what, hold your line? Or what do you guys say? The way that I do it, like, especially when you have... Her says block them, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I love saying block on the radio. That's just, like, I just let him know, like, when

the guy's running the top, if he's coming with a run, I'm like, you're clear by two, by two. And then if they have run, like, by one, by half, so, like, they know how quick that they're coming. So it's honest, the driver has the, they always say the driver has the wheel and the pedals. but yeah I mean if it's not I don't when they have that big a run is at that point in time that we get to live to fight another corner sometimes so you can throw a block like we talked about earlier but you know we talked about Cory Day in the truck race he blocked us on lap one and a half like we went to three and four once we got the second and we tried to drive up outside of them and he just started unwind the wheel and like running us up the hill and I'm like smart smart

smart and we finally peddled it and got out of it or else you know there's like lap two we both of us could have been in the fence. So there's a time and a place to protect your position. But for what we do, they got to know that the big run's coming. Like big run or like when they, you know, if we bobble or something like that, you got to know that big run's coming. And I always advocate just to hold your line. Let them make the move because more often than not,

you'll get yourself in trouble trying to protect it when you don't have the momentum to do it. So with you saying that, right, he did hold his line. what was the proper thing for Ricky to do. Just cry, go on it. Cross them. Right. But again, what happened? I mean, did he lose it for a second?

Said, no, I mean, or did something happen before? And, you know, usually with Ricky, something happened. Two years ago. I mean, you know, I mean, obviously a lot of people think they owe Ross. But Ross is a changed driver, right? He is not doing that as much as he used to. So, no, I don't know. In that situation, I wouldn't even say it was like a,

tight clear. He was clear by like three-quarter car length, so it's not like he sawed his nose off. I'd exit two, and then he poked him there. Like, they wrecked halfway down to straightaway. Exactly. Or the way down to straightaway. So I think it was just, like I said, just wanted to get in the back of him, letting him like, hey, I'm here. Yeah. And just got him off center. Before we get into Spot on, spot off, we wanted to let you know about Dirtymo Media's newest show. This Cowboy Life features Jerome and Tiffany Davis, PBR's Royal Couple Carson. The show is all about bull riding, the Carolina Cowboys.

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Send it. Why me? All right, spot on, spot off. Kyle Bush should instantly be added to the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Freddie? Well, I'm going to say spot off. I mean, he should be. He's going to be a Hall of Famer,

but I want to say spot off just for the fact that I want Kyle to be, and this is a call out to all you and everybody else in that room, I want Kyle to be the first unanimous selection to the Hall of Fame. So I think he should, whatever the waiver period is, that he's got to wait for retirement should be waived. He should be on the ballot for next year. And anybody that doesn't vote for him gets their hard card taken away, essentially. Period.

You know, that's just the way I feel about it. You know, yes, you know, I saw, I think Jeff and Jordan were talking about this. Like Roberto Clemente died in a plane crash, and they kind of waived it and had their own special vote for him just by himself. And, I mean, they could do that for Kyle. Then he will definitely be 100% because there's nobody else to vote for, essentially. But I really want him to go through the process. And even timing-wise now, like, it doesn't feel right to just add him in there when everybody's still kind of grieving. and stuff.

Like, let it kind of settle and then he should start collecting his accolades, I think. I'll say this, knowing Kyle, like when he would roll the racetrack on a weekend, he wouldn't want to just be handed the trophy. And I think he likes going through the part of what drove him and what got him fired up was going through the process and just going out and showing everybody like,

hey, I'm a badass, and I'm going to go out and earn this trophy. So, like, with the Hall of, I agree with, like, maybe waiving the couple of your retirement thing. But I think Kyle would appreciate. more going through the process and having everybody like this guy's one of the greatest of all time and like you said the 100% like there shouldn't be anybody that says Kyle Bush does not go into Hall of Fame this year so I think he would appreciate it more obviously he's earned it I don't want to misspeak or award it improperly but I think he would get more of enjoyment out

of it seeing everybody go there and vote and everybody's telling good stories and and then be like, yep, Kyle, you're in because we all think you've earned it and everybody in this room agrees with that. Yeah. Take, I mean, I mean, he's got to be. Listen, you better vote for it. I was going to say, you're in the room.

Listen, I mean, I agree with both of you guys. I mean, I think it is too early. I mean, let's, it's devastating, right? Let's give the people that earned it right now chance to enjoy that. The only thing, I hope. hope that we all come to agreement is allow three in next year, all right? Because there's...

It's the same thing that keeps happening. Right. Let's just... Yeah, this is the... Kyle Bush is in. Okay. Martin Truex is going to be, you know, part of it. All right.

Let's do three, not just two, because then you're going to have, you know... Yeah. Eric, as a race fan, I have said on here before and the number changes I think it's at 234 now 234 career NASCAR wins top three series

is that a more impressive stat than Richard Petty's 200 Cup wins Well I look at Kyle in the fact that I mean how many rules did he make Did NASCAR have to change for him? There was the age thing at California back in 2000 Because Marlboro was sponsoring the Indy car race that weekend and they wouldn't let him run the truck

Then there's the number of races in the lower series. How many more would he have won if they didn't do that? And then Steve O'Donnell said at the media briefing that Kyle texted him Tuesday and said, you should really have an over 40 rule because I want to run the whole truck season. And he probably would have been the first driver ever to win a championship in all three series. Man, and also I think the error that Kyle did it in has been tougher, the toughest and the most competitive that we've ever seen our sport. So not to take anything away from what Richard accomplished and the number of times that they were racing

in a calendar year back then, I would say so. I agree. Hirsch, you agree with it? You won 100 of them. Yeah, how many did you win? With the 95. Plus the late models?

Those are just points paying ones. I don't count the all-star race. The clash is in the open. I've seen somebody else had 234 plus 102, 1002, possibly with the only other race. Like local stuff. Yeah, I've seen a couple. People had some pictures of that of 234 plus 102.

Maybe that's the legend car B-Mains and all those things that we were starting to try to stretch for Routing Nation. All right. Number two, a Coca-Cola 600 trophy goes home to Kyle Busch Motorsports. Spot on, spot off. Eric? Yeah, I mean, spot on. And also, I love what Spire did with putting the KBM logos on the trucks this weekend. That was really cool to see.

They did have like a KBM class reunion photo for those who were at the track, not just drivers, but team members as well. Obviously really somber moment there. But very fitting it goes back to that building, you know, that shop. And I mean, I've heard many people say, and Freddie, you said it earlier. And, you know, KBM was his pride and joy. And I know I've heard from a lot of people

that when they had to make the decision to sell the race team, it was tough for them. But they certainly left like the footprints on the hearts of everyone who worked in that shop. So super fitting. Also, I saw that, you know, kind of ironic Suarez was in the booth when Kyle won the truck race last week too.

So a bit of a unique, you know, commonality there. But definitely spot on. I'm really happy for that group. And it's kind of cool that it goes back to that shop. You think it's on Andy G's desk? Andy G. So for a lot of people don't know, Andy G was like Kyle's right-hand man for the longest time. But he works at Spire now.

So he essentially never left the building. You know, he kind of, he was a KBM forever. KBM shut down. G, so we're working for Spire. And I hope he's got the same office. But like, it's just so cool to see it go back. back to that building his own rate? Yeah for sure. Like I said, we had that KBM reunion there. So to see whatever out there racing to have one of the old KBM drivers and somebody that,

Kyle helped along so much and then, you know, have the trophy go back to that shop. That was, I know he put so much time and so much effort into making that place successful and filling that place up with trophies not only as a driver, but as an owner. So I know there's there's definitely some pride there to have that trophy on this weekend, go back. to that place. Oh boy, here we go. Anybody? Okay.

All right. Yeah, this next one should take up the next 30 minutes of our show. Say, start up. Tony. Spot off. Just go right to him. Tony. Spot on, spot off.

It would have been better to postpone the O'Reilly race than to run a short and one in misty conditions. Everything's great. Just looking forward to put on my hat to the next weekend. Even the old Kyle. Yeah. Just here so it'll get fun. mind or random.

Yeah. Everything's great. Just looking forward to getting back in Nashville. I think that, listen, we know what they were trying to accomplish. We know that if that race doesn't get in, that pushes the truck race to Monday and you kind of drag the weekend out a little bit longer.

It was already a miserable weekend to begin with. There's no guarantees we could race on Monday because the weather was not great today either on Saturday. I think they had the right intentions to start. And I, you know, the mist wasn't the problem. The fog was the problem. And Jason Brownlow called me.

He was driving around the racetrack with Allgaier in a pace car. All guy are called Eddie DeHun, his spotter. Brownlow called me and he's like, can you see us? And I was like, yes. I said, you're also driving a white car with flashing lights on it. So I said that helps. But I think when we started, it was, we could manage it. Like it wasn't, we could see them.

It wasn't great, but we could manage it. And it was fine. It got much worse as we went. I would say by the start of the second stage, probably it was. was you couldn't really see one and two at all. You couldn't see the backstretch. They know it. They have the same point of view we do.

I think that, you know, first of all, some of the drivers were not helping themselves. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I made it clear to Dean. I assume everybody made it clear to their drivers. Can't really see you. You know, it's hard to see. So when you start poking four wide down the backstretched and trying to fill tight holes, we see massive wrecks like we saw, that's kind of on the drivers for me.

But where the big problem, I think, came in was the 35 blows up. nobody knows it because we can't see you know he's over there wanted to host of our was the only person that knew we were going to wreck he got us he saw you he saw the guy blow up drove by smoking got his phone out said I saw the guy blow up I knew nobody else knew it I'm going to film this because they're all going to go in here and crash and that's what happened you know and and and even during the cleanup like so we don't know the corner worker calls in I was it was turned to tracks clear keep an eye on the 35 because he was, you know, limping down the back straightaway.

And unfortunately, that wasn't accurate. The track was not clear, you know, but he probably, to the corner workers, the fence, probably couldn't see it. You know, it's hard to see smoke through fog. Like, you're not going to see it. So, like, and then obviously, we all go in there, we crash. That was, that was directly on NASCAR. You know, that's something that we can't have happen.

You were collected in that. I mean, I know that's when you, I heard a ladder go flying. Some other shit happened up there. But I mean, that was, allegedly, allegedly. Oh, yeah, that's what I mean. But I mean, that was... The wind did that. That was the biggest problem I saw Saturday night.

For sure. And I told Jason on our channel, too, the 35, definitely, he smoked, for sure. But for our vantage point, he could have had a catastrophic engine failure like Luke did. And we wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between smoke and the fog. So it could... There was no way for us to help in that situation. And obviously, you know, their corner workers couldn't tell either. but it's you know it was it definitely got worse and of course i had one of the red white and blue cars

which i'm i'm america yeah so it was hard for really hard for me to like differentiate on you know especially up off of two which car was which like i just knew what lane we were in but when they were you know in the fog and the lights and the glare and everything else it was really really difficult for us and um talking with fisher like i know what the the point was i know we trying everything we could do to get to halfway and I appreciate the effort you know they all the time they spent trying to drive the track but in hindsight we should not be on a sliding scale on like we've been at the racetrack for 15 hours so because visibilities half of what we normally can see we're going to keep going where if we were there just you know to start the

race off we wouldn't have gone like snowball derby last year for instance we were down there and it was the same thing low cloud foggy misty they got the track dry we rolled out on the pit we'd rolled out for the pace laps and obviously we couldn't see the cars clearly you see outlines or shapes but it was it was not it was not ideal conditions so the tower couldn't see him downstairs we couldn't see them on the spotter stand so they they brought everybody down and said listen it's just it's it's not safe to go because the tower can't see if something happens the spotters can't see if something happens so we're just going to we're going to call it for the night we're going to come back and try again tomorrow in in better conditions so you know if if if

If we do that for the snowball derby, I know this weekend was a lot more packed, but I would have liked to, I prefer, would have preferred to be racing in better conditions for not just us, but for the drivers, for the teams. Because, yeah, we all put a lot of effort in to get that race in on Saturday. But, you know, the teams put a lot of effort in for weeks leading up to it, preparing cars and a lot of money spent and a lot of people that are there. everybody deserves a fair shot to go out and maximize their weekend and not have stuff like that like you know running into an oil slick because if we for some reason we went back green

Ross was he was hurt yeah he was kind of like we we happened to just hit at a wrong angle where it broke our right front upper you know there's a lot of guys that were wounded so you know you can't have half the field because we we miss something and we can't have half the field have forfeit their race and all their time and effort that went into it just because we're trying to get another 20 30 laps Yeah, and obviously our sport is first and foremost about safety. And that was, it was unsafe. And it probably crossed the line of something we shouldn't be doing because, like you said, well, you know what we're trying to do.

But Eric, put your race fan hat on for a second. You're in the grand stand. You've been sitting here all day long. Like, what do you want to see it happen in that moment if you put yourself in their position? I would have wanted it to get pushed just so that way I could see a natural finish. Because the fans couldn't see. I was going to say they couldn't see either. So our original plan would start the truck race 8 a.m. on Saturday morning.

Oh, yeah. That didn't happen. Then the plan was going to be to run it after the O'Reilly race. And then they said, well, the latest that will start is like 1120 was the time they gave us. So it was quarter to 10. They just called the O'Reilly drivers back to their cars. And I'm hanging out at Speedway Club with some Canadian race fans who were a blast. The problem was the forecast Sunday and Monday just was as unpredictable as Friday and Saturday were.

You know, so I understand the box they were in. I also thought back to Chicago for the O'Reilly race the first year they ran there, where, like, that was the first time, I believe ever, that they did confirm a race to be complete before it hit the halfway or end of stage two element. So they have that, like, if an in rare instance wiggle room if they needed it, as opposed to just, you know, burning a lapse under caution or trying to wiggle it in. I think that was what turned the people off the most was we just burned the last five laps under yellow when they could have just, like you said, just easily, all right,

We're coming down pit road at lap 85. The race is over. Like, we're not going to do this. Because I think that, like, even if you did that, you'd see it a little, I mean, still be hateful stuff. But, like, you wouldn't get burned for, like, we just literally, in the rain, rode around for five laps. Yeah.

Chicago's a little different. The street course is a little different. You had to leave. Yeah. You had to leave. Charlotte, you didn't. Listen, this. Yeah.

Rules of rules. Hirsch? Chicago had different rules. Right. I was watching the stages of Hirschman on the roof after, after he crashed. and he was upset. Do we need a Hirsch cam up there? Sometimes.

He's usually very mellow. This was a different case. This is not my weekend to be mellow. Yeah, he was, yeah. And he was wrecked car. He's mad. He's packing his stuff up. He's getting ready to leave.

And he's walking off the roof, essentially, right? Tell me. Yeah, so I was walking off the roof and it started raining. Like, basically then it was a rain at that point. So I'm walking off and T-Mond's, you know, the spots for Corey. He's like, Hirsch, you're not going to stay around and watch a spot it up on this restart? I'm like, what do you mean restart? And he says, oh, yeah, we're dubbed up.

We're coming back to the green. I say, in the rain? And he's like, oh, yeah, we're going. So I walked up to the rail in there, and they called it off really late. But it was like, at that point, it was a miss. So you couldn't see it was a rain, rain, rain at that point. Rain and fog. Rain and fog.

So, yeah, luckily, we thought better of it. It's tough weekend for everybody. It was. And I think it was, you know, I think I felt this way, like, not, that I didn't want to be there. Obviously, I wanted to be there. It was kind of surrounded by your friends. But like, it was just like, just to get this over with it. Let's get the fuck out of it. There's nothing.

I just, I wanted this weekend to be over. And they felt the same way, I think. And listen, it wasn't ideal and I think it was the wrong decision. I think they know it was the wrong decision. We've heard, you know, from some of the officials that said, like, we apologize for putting you guys through that. And, you know,

we hope it doesn't happen again. But like, it kind of is what it is. And what I knew once we got to like the end of the first stage, I was like, they're kind of pot committed now. They're going to make, they're going to take this thing to the end no matter what or call it short. So, uh, unfortunate, but that wasn't the only, that, we didn't stop there, Carson. And backing up to the truck race, the truck rates should have ended with overtime instead of running caution laps until time ran out. It should have ended when the check and flag flew on a, I don't know.

You know, it was Eric's fault. Yeah. I mean, I understand what we all. Yeah. TV and what we all have to do, but we didn't race for another six hours for the cup race. I mean, come on. I mean, and by saying it, telling everybody so early that was going to be the rule, made the driver's unplug, man.

I mean, just they don't, it happens, man. These guys are like, what? I only got two hours. I'm going to have to make, hey, right away. And there's your hence of your 12-lap longest green flag run. I mean, I don't get it, man. I mean, the fans... Can you remind me why they were put on a clock?

So we start... What I don't understand, and I'm sure it's TV-related, time slots, windows, whatever. The race is supposed to be 8 o'clock Saturday morning. I don't know why. If we can only run until 12 o'clock, it was because of TV coverage, they didn't want to run into the Indy 500 coverage because the same network. So that was... We knew, like, I knew, like, start time, whatever the start time was,

we're not going to run very far into the pre-race coverage, especially because the Indy moved up, too, right? Did it any move to start time up? I don't remember, but I know they had weather, so I think they were kind of hustling along also. But like, why didn't we start earlier? Why didn't we start at 930? Because listen, at the end of the day,

this is still the driver's fault? Because we haven't had a two-hour race in, I look back 10 years. But you should have gave yourself a little bit of the North. Is that why they didn't? Why did they not end up running at 8 a.m.? Was it still raining? Well, it was at times.

No, it was dry. Everything was ready Sunday morning, but I'm assuming it was TV times. Okay, okay. Also, NASCAR. knows that those amount of laps should only take two hours. It's like an hour and a half,

hour, 40 minute average time for that race. And I look back, I went on Jayski, I looked back to 10 years and it was never over two hours. So once you have, I think it was 11 cautions. Like it was... Record. Yeah, record cautions. Like Tommy said, though, it's Eric, you know, you're watching race. It's because these guys and all of a sudden

you, Hersch restarts, like, you see these guys are on killed because they're like, we have to get to the front now. I only got 20 minutes left. I mean, how hard is at the call. Even in the moment, like, you're, you're watching the clock like we are. Well, and we didn't want to mention on the broadcast until we thought it would be an issue. Like, we didn't want to bring it up and worry anyone or worry fans. So we kind of like hit it for a while. And then, Trey, who was with NASCAR Insights, he's like, yeah, we're crunching the numbers.

We're going to get there. This is going to be a problem. And then we started talking about it. And it's weird because it's like, it's supposed to be like motocross rules. When the clock runs out, it's two to go, essentially. And then it's, you know, white flight next time by, obviously. but it's hard because the race would have been great if we got an overtime out of it. Like if we could restart it, again, the fan of me wanted to see what was going to happen

because I still don't know who had the best truck between the 11 to 34 and also Eccas was great. 77 had the freshest tires. He was... Yeah, he came from like 29th to serving the restart penalty up to sixth when that caution fell. He was third or four.

Yeah. Again, race fan of me wanted. to see it end under green because it would have been wilds but also i i understand if they would have wotted them up on that restart which they probably would have because they did it all day long michael had a good joke he said the adverse conditions of the way these guys are racing for real so i mean again tony directly kind of effed by this call because you're sitting there four tires running second just need one more restart to probably win the race and you get burned again like just but i mean in that moment like what do you what are you telling what you talking about

with Caden and Zippy. Like, how does he break this down? Like, hey, we're just going to end up. Like, yellow comes out, and I kind of thought, like, it's over. I looked at it was like 1156 or something like that. And I'm like, I think they're just going to run this out. But then we saw Sunday there, they decided, oh, we have this rule we can invest that we don't have to open pit road.

We can just go restart on a yellow. And I'm like, I was telling Jeff on Channel 2, I'm like, that's what we need to do here. We need to just don't open pit road, just line them back up, choose right here, and get A lap in or two, you know, a green white checker in, but I mean, it's, you know, how frustrating it had to be for you again. Yeah. Especially after the night before. Yeah, for sure. Hershey had a rough week.

It's a tough week. Tough week. They, uh, all I know is like we got the second, got clear and we were running the 34 down. I looked at my watch and I said we have four minutes plus two laps. And then like the 30, I think we may run one or two more laps before the 38 spun out. It may have only been a lap. So I know we had, there was still time left on the clock. And when the yellow come out.

like I'm like all right take care of fuel and start prepping your tires and the way we went through the process was like it never even dawned to me that we were going to be out of time because they were like working on lineup then they were doing Lucky Dog and about pit road so I'm like all right so just keep working on our stuff here to get ready to go back to green and then whatever they're moving to Lucky Dog then like all right next time around white flag on the 34 and I'm like like my heart dropped I said I think we're coming around the white flag like we're just finishing this thing off under yellow and And obviously, Kaden wasn't too thrilled with that news.

And Zipby wasn't either. None of us were. So I thought we had, I did think we had enough time to at least, now we may have all went back green and all watered up in one and wish we wouldn't have gone back green. But I said, for the fans and as good as we were, it would have been at least nice to have a shot at it. And I think everybody kind of got robbed a little bit out of potential good finish. put it in the driver's hands like all right you're going to go out and wreck everything you're going to put on a good show here to the end but finishing under yellow at 40 mile an hour wasn't awesome and Tommy like once they announced that it's 12 o'clock you can't take that back right because as a crew chief of the 34 the 34 is making decisions on pitch strategy based on I'm only we're only going to run 20 laps here so you know like they can't like I know people were like well just add a lap I'm like no once they announced 12 o'clock which I feel like they did that too soon but I think in their minds they weren't worried about it

because they had two hours but you know like I know people were saying like you could just add a lap I'm like no you can't like it's 12 o'clock rules of rule right that's what we all race to and how pissed you know would have flipped you guys would have been happy

and the 34 would have been pissed right maybe who knows but I don't know just tough all around man just a shitty miserable weekend and it just piled up it never stopped can we do some fun actually I think

so when we're getting ready to move on reaction theater and I know Freddie had put out a tweet asking for some fun Kyle stories and some stuff like that through the year so hopefully um hopefully some fun fun stuff lies ahead um yeah I don't normally chime in on the show but um I listened to about 100 messages um to the BBC fans they uh they made me cry they made me laugh um there's a lot of beautiful stuff in there so I just wanted to thank all of the reaction theater callers for calling in um even if your message didn't make it in it meant a lot. I sit here saddened and in mourning for a man that I've never met,

but the person I'll never forget. My daughter's favorite stop a few years ago when we were in Charlotte was KVM because they had three M&M's. Kyle will be missed forever. RIP, KFB. That's why Hirsch went to work over there. Tell you what, that M&M's Day in Hackettstown. My daughter's dead was their big. biggest holiday of the year.

Yes, for a favorite KV moment. Mine has to be my youngest son. He was three, about the current four. We took him to his first race in Phoenix. And Kyle came by on the red carpet, giving autographs, and my almost four-year-old son, obviously very short, was kind of behind the guardrail.

And there was a lady beside us that yelled at Kyle, hey, you got a little one over here because my son was decked out, Kyle Busch stuff. And, you know, he kicked Kyle out all in his own as his favorite driver and the lady said hey Kyle you got a little one over here and Kyle came over and stopped and signed my son's hat and uh afterwards he said why was Kyle writing on my hat and uh that's my favorite memory he's and it's one of my son's first memories he still talks about that he's uh just turned eight now i hope he still has having a hard time

dealing with this as you would expect but he's also uh really excited to go to the race in national this week and he's already asked you know can we stand up and put our eight fingers in the air on the eighth lap and all that. So, uh, gonna really miss Kyle. And, uh,

just want to let everybody in the Bush family know and everybody that asked for our family know that, uh, you know, we all love you and we support you guys. Um, we'll get some funny ones now. You know, I want to use my favorite Kyle Busch quote that I often use when somebody

pisses me off in traffic. That's, keep driving your shit, you little bitch. Yeah. You put me off motherfucker. I'm going to wreck your shit. Rest of peace.

That was before my time. Yeah. I used to love... Did you help him with all that? Yeah. He never said that under my watch. I used to love... I used to love when we would be...

Me and Hersherst were obviously teammates at KBM for a couple years there. And Bubba would do something to piss Kyle off. And Hirsch would come up and tell Freddy to fuck it. Hersh would come down here. And Kyle said, you better... I was like, all right, Bubba's not going to fuck off, please. Showing on, fellas. I just want to call on behalf of all of...

of Rowdy Nation that we appreciate the light that DBC has shedded on on Rowdy Nation and thank you to Rowdy for you know being my childhood and I think as Rowdy would agree as his last win was the 69th win in his truck series career I think all Rowdy Nation deserve to be lucky this weekend. Routy Nation if you don't have a girlfriend you know support the infertility thing shoot your loads into a cup as firm bank we create a bunch of many

rowdies shit load of them rest and peace KB baby, love you. Oh my God that's perfect though Routy Nation you're off the hook

Yeah you guys are right There was no bigger winner than Kyle Bush So you guys can get after it all you want I mean We'll give him how many How many he won 234? Yeah

We'll give Routy Nation right now 234 That's free passes Free passes right now. We'll get back from a year from now, see how many, a couple of them used up. Going back to what you were asking earlier about the stuff that Kyle did behind the scenes,

and that was like the bundle of joy fund that him and Samantha do, I want to mention that because they've done so much for so many families over, I can't even tell you how many years. So I know, again, like KBM was his pride and joy, I know they put so much effort in time and care into that bundle of joy fund and foundation.

So that's, you know, there's definitely people, you know, check out. And if there's anything that we can do down the road to help that out, it helps so many families along the way. So I appreciate that. Dallayway! Dallay way! Also, just like the track. My wife ain't dry tonight, I tell you what, go seven.

What did he say to start? I couldn't understand it. Daliway. Dahliae, oh, I got you. Yeah. Gotcha. Lightning, 30 minutes. I'm drunk going to bed.

That was Eric. Leaving with the Canadian. That was him leaving the Speedway Club. Apparently you didn't leave as early as you thought. No, I stayed a little bit longer. No, those are awesome. I love hearing everybody's stories because I think the coolest thing, like, obviously social media has been flooded with everybody's, you know,

experiences with Kyle and whatnot. And I think some of my favorite ones to read have been, like, the kids from Millbridge and the kids he's gotten to know traveling with Brexton racing. And, like, I mean, I remember him, him and Sam taking Wyatt and their little buddy Chase and then Brexton to Fun City. And they took a photo with Kyle's photo on the wall. I mean, like that normal side where they're just family racing out in the Midwest and all the little kids that he would take the time to stop and mentor along the way.

Like it was, that was just a really cool side of Kyle to see all these years later. How about little Larson? Oh, Owen. How about, man, is that incredible of just feeling his buddy's pain? I mean, he did it on his own. You watch, no one pushed. I watched. Yeah, he walked right.

But that's how much time those kids spend together on the road racing like that. And Brexton, man, whole, I mean, it's just unbelievable. I was, there was probably no better trash talker than Kyle, I think, you know, especially, especially like you go see at Millbridge. I'd go a couple times a year. But somebody sent a video in, I forget where I saw it, they sent it to me somewhere. And it was Kyle and Kyle

were on the grid, like, getting ready to push the kids off. Big Kyle and Tiny Kyle. Yeah, Big Kyle and Tiny Kyle. And Kyle is just ribbing, Kyle Busch is just ribbing Larson because he's wearing like, brand new shoes. He's like, are you wearing brand new shoes to the fucking dirt track? He's like, what is wrong with him?

I do remember one time where Wyatt rode to the, this was just just a funny, like, because of Kyle and his career, why this, it was just, like, why do you, why are you asking this? They, why it had rode to the racetrack with them and mom had been off to the grocery store getting some other stuff. And so they bought why it's $25 pit pass on the way in or whatever. And mom and them get there and Kyle comes running up.

He's like, 25 bucks. Like, why did you give me a $25? And mom's like, what the hell, man? So just, I mean, regular. I mean, they're just as regular as it gets. Those were the funest memories. All right. To leave an audio message 24-7, you can call our number.

at 704-802-9-572. And we'll play the best ones each week on the show. So besides the weather being a shit show, what other kind of shit shows did you guys see this weekend? I saw our boy Chris Wright was back on his bullshit. I don't even know that we need to put a shit show poll out this week. But, yes, Chris Wright is it going to win. He's back.

I don't know. I feel like he. Instantly blames a spotter. Like, there's a guy fucking next to you. You shouldn't even need a spotter to see the guys up alongside of you. but yeah like you mind and listen people make mistakes i get it but like the thing that really drives me nuts and hirsch knows this and we've seen it a thousand times you know when you instantly just start blaming other people for something that you fucked up is where i get really annoyed and and we see it with chris unfortunately pretty often you know so i don't i don't think we need to have a

shit show poll this week because it's not the week to do it but um but yeah we can just what do what are you saying in that moment like how are you how are you on the broadcast not laughing your ass off like this fucking guy again. Michael, if you go back and watch the read, Michael said something along the lines. Like, yeah, that's strange. I want to, that is like, how do you, are there times, like, I'm sure like car store races and even when, especially when those turn into a shit show, quote unquote, like, are there times where you have to like stop yourself from having like a human, a superhuman

reaction to something where like something you shouldn't say on air? Like, how often does that happen? One of it stands out, and I hate to pick on them, but when McKee dumped Yarbrough at Martinsville last year, like just right hooked him at Star Finish Line, like that, I think I said in real time, what in the world? Because it was as blatant as it could be.

But yeah, there are times where, and also because I'm a fan at heart. Right. So there's some organic, you know, thoughts and emotions, and there's people that I know in the sport, and I want to see them do well, and I've got to suppress that a little bit, but sometimes it's hard.

That would probably be my biggest challenge. I don't help, because I usually anything, something stupid how is I'm texting him and Blake, like, hey, you idiots, Leave them alone. They're busy. They're busy. Hey, everybody.

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Go check it out now. All right, time to move on to AskDBC. These are questions submitted by our fans. And the first one we touched on a little bit earlier was how hard was it to spot with all the red white and blue paint schemes this weekend? And all my cars were red and white blue this week. It would sound like, of course they are.

Then you had the fog on top of it. And like the biggest thing for me, like obviously the car's not hard to see. But my biggest problem, Hirsch, and I would assume similar to you, like we don't, we don't, like, we don't stare at our car the whole race. You know what I mean? So like you're something catches your eye. You kind of scan the field. You go and then you come back and you're looking for your familiar paint scheme, whether it's the monster car or, you know, we're changing every week essentially. But still usually you have like identifying colors.

and you know like, all right, I can come back and find my purple car this week or whatever. This week, you know, you scan ahead. You try to come back and you're like, oh, shit. There's nine fucking red white and blue cars around me. Where's one of the ones mine, you know. That was yesterday. Sunday was one of the first times I remember, like, twice in the race. I was like, oh, shit.

Like, where are we? Like, I kind of scan too far back. Then I got to go forward. And I'm like, and I was like, holy. But, I mean, that's the biggest challenge for me, I think, up there. Yeah, for sure. I mean, not all of us are lucky like Lambert to get dayglow cars. And he wrecked every one of them.

I liked the like Memorial Day scheme approach that Ally and Bowman took. Like it stood out and you could see it easy on the racetrack, but it still gave what it was supposed to give, but it wasn't red, white and blue, like all 500 others. I don't know who picked Ross's paint scheme. I couldn't tell where he was when he crashed. It was the same color as the asphalt. Like I knew he hit the wall.

And he's kind of coming back across the racetrack. And I'm just telling him, like, watch it. Like, you see him. Because I didn't know if he was five lanes from the wall or three lanes because I really couldn't see him. You know, it was like, it just blended in so well, and it's so flat back there. I was that, those are the hardest. Like, the red, white, blue ones are bad, but then you have, like, the camo and the, like, all black or all dark gray.

It's like, those are the, those are a little trickier. Yeah. Flat black is a little bit tricky to a spot. I can vouch for that. Yeah. Next one is, what language did SBG speak before coming to the U.S.? I think it was Carl. Carl, yeah.

Carl said SBG had all these challenges when he came over to race, like, you know, driving on the other side of the car and learning a new language. SVG is like, well, no, I still spoke English. Just with a little accent. Oh, boy. I was nervous when I read that. I was like, did I ask that question somewhere some way and forget? Because that sounds like something I would say. All right, DBC picks.

I am whooping y'all's ass. Really? How much the score? I have six to three on YouTube right now. We change the rule. We get to add our scores together this year. Oh, that's okay. So I'm buying.

regardless. Cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm taking donations now, everyone. Where do we, we're going Nashville? You two, you two can collab on a pick. I don't know who goes first. Guests go first. Guess you guys collab. What do you think? Tony, I'm leaning on you. Oh, boy. Obviously, you know, it's like the great out ones you can't pick. Yeah. He asked that up in a spot of stand. He was ready. I try to do my homework going into something. Surprise he didn't ask for it. So we can look at it. Advanced copy.

I'll tell you what. Obviously, the guys, I would go with the 54, but he's grayed out, so we can't go with that. Somebody that's run really good, the last ran really good at Dover and ran really good last night. The 43 team hero, Eric Jones, has been running, I think they've stepped their program up, and they've been doing a good job. That's one that sticks out to me. I'll go with that. I was thinking Ross, because he won there a couple years ago.

to rebound after the wreck but I think Jones yeah they're they found something yeah obviously Toyota's been really quick yeah EJ's been he's been willing at the last couple weeks so I think I think we could roll with that from one Eric through another yeah that's right yeah there you go who's next don't mess it up Jones I will take Ross I was like son of a bitch Eric shut up with you Tommy who'd you pick Ross Austin Dillon because he ran good at Dover so maybe. I'm going to take Brad Kay.

We're just winging it. Weekend winners. Anybody before I rain? Damn it rain. The whole country. Even I thought it was like northeast because obviously we follow Riverhead and Wall. Bobby Pierce won to show me 100. Like started way deep in the feeling like 37. Freddie, maybe this segment is why

you're losing your voice. Maybe because I got to talk so much here. Yeah. I wasn't really watch. Again, it wasn't. Like I have a number of results. Obviously, a lot of it's flow-based. What is it? Flow Sports? Yeah.

Did you hear that you could get a 15% off subscription by using the link? FlowSports. Dot link slash door bumper clear. You can watch Cars Tour at Langley this weekend. Huge entry list. Check us out. Any winners at Riverhead? Any winners that you stood out?

I mean, I know we're probably all the same. Not really watching. Mother Nature was the only one that stood out. I know Matt had three potential races on the dock. from Connecticut, New York, and Pennsylvania. And all three of them got rained out. And we were sitting in a rain down here. So I think it was pretty common thread.

Who won the ASA race at Hickory? Was it Caden Caden Cawton. Cawton's on a roll. That's a good race. Stafford got their show in. Marcello Rufano won. Chris Meyer, one of late model. Nick Anglase won the SK Light.

Travis Heider won the limited late model. And Jason Raymond won the streetstock race. You mentioned Bobby Pierce won the Show Me 100. Davenport won Friday at Lucas Oil. Shannon Babb won the Mars race at Spoon River. Alex Prunty won at Slinger. Evan Hassler won the late model race at Slinger. This is all on Flo, by the way.

Austin Wood won at Silver Dollar. Will Armitage won the IRA sprint car at Wilmot. I would probably butcher that. Ryan Unsinger won the late model race at Fairbury. Trevor Huddleston won the Arco West Race and Colorado National. Briggs-Danner, that kid is super, super talented. He won the USAC race at Circle City Dirt Track. Cody Swanson won the Little 500.

That's one of my favorite races to watch. I turned it on. What happened to Santa? He got an offense. I saw, as soon as I turned it on, he was already buried laps down. That sucks, because that's what I love that. Nocela. Hadn't Nocella dude, do we know?

I don't even know. I looked at the run. I know Newman was sixth. Yeah, that's an awesome event. Like, if you're ever in town for the Indy 500, you got to go over to Anderson for a little 500. We mentioned it. ASA, Caden Cople. Mark Tunney, our buddy Mark Tunney, figure A won there.

He won the 90-minute figure-eight race at the speed drum. Two hundred and fifty-five laps there in. in 90 minutes. That was pretty impressive. Buddy Coffoyd won at Hussitz. Wrightsill won at Knoxville. He won a lot of them at Knoxville. He won how many races this weekend?

I think he went more than one. Cleaned up. I didn't see. I was just going off the results. Macito won Thursday night. Then these are all fan submissions. Evan Scho won Berlin. Also Berlin.

This is a whole list of Berlin. Evan Schocko won Berlin. Super Lay model. There's no... What do you give me on that name? I gave you no chance. Rents. Need to ask S-V-G

Renska? Tyler Rensica is a limited Late Model. Good job. Feature 1 and 2. Sportsman feature 1 was Brian Thorne. I'm sorry, Brian Tomey. Tim DeVos

won sports and feature 2. Dwarf course was Zach Nichols. Kennedy Swan won Lake Speedway, or Rice Lake Speedway, sorry. This next name. Alan C-B-C- No idea.

It's K-U-B-S-E-W-E-W. W. S-K-I. You should be right up your alley. Yeah. So, sorry. Risky. He won his first career Bandolero race at Elko,

rocking a big 51 sticker on there for Rowdy. Gabe Summers won the Dick Trickle 99 at Golden Sands. Brentley Smart won four quarter-migget A-Maines out in New Mexico. Jesse Kent, the Duke's grandson. Yeah, I see that. At Shemung. If you don't know the Duke, George Kent,

you're missing out. Dylan Westbrook won a 360 spring car race at Oshweaken. But my biggest winner of the weekend, listen, one of the guys was on the list was Eric. He was going to be my biggest winner the weekend, but he's here. We kiss his ass enough, so you're done. Cheers.

Steve O'Donnell. Oh, I'm really glad you brought this up. I think he, you know, on track stuff aside, the way he handled all this stuff with his news conference, I love the way he shut down stupid fucking questions in that news conference. And then what he did on Sunday, I thought he comes away as much. my biggest winner of the weekend because I don't know that it would have came across as genuine

with some of the other people that were in that position. No, there's only two people I could have did that. Would have been him and Mike Helton. We've got to mention Indy 500, Freddie. Oh, yeah, who won that? Felix Rose Lewis. What a, what a raid. Me and Hersch were sitting.

There's a little bar in the infield. We went and sat on some couches, watched on the big screen for a while. But yeah, what a finish in that race. Rosenquist. Cream white checker? Green white. Green white. I mean, do you want to talk about putting them on the dash?

I've never seen someone in the anti car. I thought, I mean, you've spotted that race, what, seven, eight times? I think you said, when they were side by side behind him, I was like, they're never going to get to them. You know, they're never going to catch. He's, Malukas is clear. And the run he got off a four, I was like, oh, shit, he's got a shot at him right here. But, yeah. I thought Mike Shank was probably losing his mind.

Oh, yeah, side by side. Figure it out and go get him. And they still pulled it off. It's incredible. Thomas, where are we going racing this week? Where are we? Nashville. I'm talking about you.

We got Franklin County. Friday night with the smart tour, which is also on flow. Do they have speedy dry this time? Yeah. They got no dirt piled up. Jamie Murray. Racing is making his modified debut. Gets a chance to race against his boy, which is cool.

And we got, that's it. Nash. Then I go fly, we fly Saturday morning to Nashville. Carson? Car store is back. We're at Langley. Saturday. We got a few Yep, Saturday. We got a few coming out of the

Woodworks. Connor Hall will be back with us. And we have... Is he driving at 77 car? Allegedly it's his blue car with Barry Nelson's number 12 on it, so we'll see. Oh, boy. But yeah, I'm excited. We've got like a driver appearance at Bush Gardens on Thursday. I mean, on Friday. Oh, no. No. Nobody knows this, though.

I think we talked about the last time. Yeah, he's... Hersch goes to music parks by himself. I'll leave it at that. Well, we'll be at that. Well, we'll be at the Bush Guards. Him and Justin, I got my buddy Justin's over here in the back. They were, like, they started talking about, like, the fucking roller coaster federation last night.

They both know what each other's talking about. I'm like, I got to get out of here. It was fine. I can never tell anybody, like, what a day in my life looks like working in my position because last week I was, like, sending out a blast text to my drivers. Hey, who is afraid of roller coasters and who isn't? Because I need a couple of you to ride one on Saturday. I need to make my car sort of beauty this week.

Come on. I'm on graduation duty this weekend. My oldest daughter, Amelia, is graduating. so I'm not sure when I'm going to get to Nashville. I'm hoping to get to Nashville. Just came off the senior prom. Saw the picture. I was like, Hersch.

All the things. Youngest city, oldest. The oldest. Hey, give a shout out to the Proud King. What's his name? Jackie. Jackie,

he's a great kid. He does all the photography and stuff for all the basketball games. Mia's got her friend group, all the girls. And then Jackie's included in all the fun with them. And, you know, just a great group. A great group of kids. And, you know, not. Did you have to give you?

him the talk? No, no, no, no. No. He's, he's met me. He wasn't there because he would have. He's got me and he's met my dad, so I think there's no talk needed. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, congrats out to Jackie and glad everybody had a great time at the prom.

And I'm, you know, looking forward to graduation this weekend. Time flies. I can't believe it. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Thank you for coming in, saying you extended your, Thursday night. I'm like, man, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do for this show this week. I don't know who the hell I can have on.

And Hersha just landed. Fortunately, we just all got the news that night. And I was like, hey, man, can you stay till Tuesday? And he's like, absolutely. So I appreciate you doing it. We dragged you in here to cheer us up a little bit. I thank you for coming in. Blake's been, the fan club president back there has been hounding me to get you on here.

So now maybe he can stop texting me about it. But we really appreciate all you guys. And this was obviously not our favorite show probably to do. But Kyle just meant the world, I think all of us essentially. And he'll be missed for sure. But we thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week after Nashville. Thanks for listening.