Door Bumper Clear - Ryan Blaney On Atlanta, Hocevar & Llama Drama
Episode Date: February 23, 2026The gang is back after a race weekend that was turbulent both on track and in the atmosphere, so warm up those bathtubs, Blaney fans! Ryan joins us to talk Atlanta, farm animals, and everything in b...etween. In the opening segment, Freddie Kraft discusses his call at the end of the race when Bubba Wallace found himself in the lead. And it isn't really an episode of Door Bumper Clear if Tommy Baldwin doesn't bring up Carson Hocevar, but he might not have the reaction you expect after the 77's chaotic series of events. We celebrate Sheldon Creed's much-awaited win and then move on to Spot On, Spot Off, where the crew covers: Atlanta's place as the most entertaining racetrack Who wins first, Hocevar or Zilisch? Austin Hill's comments on Chastain's last lap move Shortened races could be the move? In Reaction Theatre, you knew we were going to hear from Rowdy fans after his win in the Truck series, but we weren't expecting to learn as much as we did about llamas. The fans lead us right into S***show Hall of Fame, and Sam Mayer, if you are reading this, yes, you made the show two weeks in a row. We round out the show with DBC Picks, Weekend Winners & Ask DBC, where we get the lowdown on Ryan Blaney's moustache care tips & ask if he ever actually called into the show last year. We hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed making it! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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I love getting in there, man.
I smell shit.
I'm like, tag me in.
Let's go, dude.
That's going to be the opening of the show.
Are you guys recording that?
I got you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Cold open.
Cold open.
Ryan Blaney.
I smell shit.
I want to get in there.
Dude, I'm just like,
WWE tag team champion.
I got my hand up.
I'll make him spotless, dude.
The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media.
What if we left all the stuff?
spotters out of everything.
That's a terrible idea.
You know what's funny?
What page are we on?
Why you curse that?
This is why I'm just you cursing to me.
I think he's a whiny.
That's what I think.
Next thing you know, I got no
fire suit on.
Grouty nation fans are getting lucky tonight.
What's up everybody?
Welcome back to Door Bubba Clear. I am Freddie
Kraft. I think I stole a spot for Bubba Wallace.
I don't know about that.
I was talking to him last night.
He had some doubts.
I don't doubt it.
I would too if I was him.
I also had Dino and Gio this week.
Thomas, what do you do in these days?
I mean, how's it going?
It's going well.
I mean, we, uh, competition director, Rick Ware racing.
Yep, I am.
Yep.
For now.
For now.
Geez.
Yeah.
It depends on.
Everyone's listening to.
This podcast is coming to an end because we're all out of NASCAR next week.
I'm like scared when I go back upstairs.
I need to check my phone.
Yeah.
And of course, since.
visiting next to us is our favorite
tattooed foul mouth
trash bag.
Carson is broad
on the side of the Mississippi.
How are you today?
I'm fantastic this morning.
Are you sure?
No.
That's all, I mean, yeah.
Oh, boy.
And joining us, fresh off a
10th place finish.
I ran 10th thing last night.
Our favorite, one of our favorite guest, Mr. Blaney.
Oh, you took me down on a shot.
From our favorite to one of our favorite.
It's my favorite, but Tommy can't stand you.
I know.
That's been for a long time.
No, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, how are you, bud?
I'm good, yeah.
It's nice to finish last night.
I missed a couple wrecks by the skin of my teeth.
But yeah, no, it's nice, like, to finish after Daytona.
Like, Daytona was just kind of a, we could do nothing right there.
And there was moments last night where I felt like I couldn't do anything right.
And I think everyone kind of gets in those moments where you make one good move and you make three bad ones.
And you're like, I can't do nothing, right?
You know, but yeah, it worked out to where we were not really in the hunt at the end,
but we got a decent finish out of it.
So that's good.
Yeah, I felt the exact opposite.
I felt like we made 50 good moves and one really bad one.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
Which would you rather take?
I would take the way you did it, I think.
Still finish better than any of them.
Yeah, I guess we were raised.
Yeah.
Yeah, like our race, we just, our car, we should have won.
I mean, our car was a missile yesterday.
I felt like we were in the right spot.
and just coming down to it there obviously I made the call to just try to get a little pull from the
little push from the top lane Carson I the carceton car was super fast also and he was the one I was worried
about there at the end and I knew I had two Toyota teammates lined up on the bottom so kind of the
thought process was like get off a two they're coming with the head of steam I'm like I don't want to let like rule
one for me has always kind of been like don't let anybody do your right rear and a plate track
or just try to do the best you can and protect it and I was like all right if I if I just let them
get our right rear. I don't know that we'll get them back, you know, even with all the help behind us.
So we made that decision. I made that decision, told Bubba to move up, and then we just kind of got
split on the backstretch, and that was the end of our race, essentially. But I don't know.
I mean, it's the same thing my brother told me last week. It's a blessing and the curse to be
in position to do this all the time. And I mean, it's so easy to look back on things and
like, well, we should have done this and that different. I mean, I was in the same spot at Atlanta
a couple years ago. And pretty much same thing, gave it away on the backstretch, trying to make a
decision. And I've always said there, like, the worst thing almost that you could, that could happen to you on
the backstretch is you get clear. Because now you have double decisions to make, honestly, more,
because there's more than just two lanes. So, like, it looked like you, the 45 and 19 were all potted up.
Bubba got clear. The 77 and the one were potted up off a two. You guys got disconnected off a two.
And so now it's like, that's the damn if you do, damn if you don't decision, right? Like, do you stay with your group?
Do you block the run that is going to come?
Like, that's a...
There's, like, ten wrong decisions and one right one,
and just the odds of that is...
That's happening is really high, and it's unfortunate,
because, yeah, I thought y'all were the best car.
I thought y'all, the 77, the 45 were the three best cars all night.
And, yeah, it was a shame it didn't work out for y'all
because I thought Bubbitt and you guys did a good job
of, like, getting to the front when you needed to,
controlling the race, and then just circumstances stink.
Yeah, really, the only thing that I would honestly change going back is
we needed to cover it sooner because you know how it is.
Like once you get clear, we should have covered it because then they don't have any really...
First of all, I should have thought about who the hell was leading that top line and the fact that they were never fucking going to push us no matter what happened.
But, you know, once we got clear off a two, I should have covered it then.
I should have had him cover it then.
And then they don't have any momentum.
Then you just kind of shove you out and then we can go back to the bottom and pick up our teammates and then probably just stay bottom in the rest of the race.
But, oh, well, unfortunate.
Thomas, how was your race?
I was going well until the 24.
What did you get a flat?
Somebody said he broke his steering or something.
Something happened.
I don't know what happened.
I saw he was in the fence, and then he started coming down the backstretch.
Yeah.
And then he shut up.
Which makes me think that something like the right front wouldn't have caused him to fade down on the backstress.
So he must have broke something else.
Brandon said, I don't know if he broke Tollink or somebody.
He said he couldn't steer.
Yeah.
That's why he was coming across the racetrack.
Yeah, there was four or five of us that just ran together all day.
And from 21st to 26 just, and it was kind of time to go racing, right?
It was five to go.
And unfortunately, the guys that just.
with trying to hang in there.
Most of us got taken out because of it,
so it kind of sucked.
But everything was going according to plan there.
The car was good.
I mean, just unfortunate.
45 car wins the race.
No, minus right front fender.
Yeah, I don't get it.
I'm just going to show up Talladega or Coda, no fenders.
Might as well, right?
We were talking about before, the run that he had down the back straightaway,
coming to a checker, I was like, what the, where'd that come from?
Yeah, it makes me rethink the insurgent.
inspection process than NASCAR. I mean, do what tallunches really need to be that small?
I mean, just take a sledgehammer to the right front, the first stop of the race.
We got to cut it off. Oh, my goodness. It was impressive. Like, I couldn't believe that none of the guys
behind him got any kind of a run. Like, it wasn't even close. It makes you rethink.
Yeah. I hope somebody goes to the wind tunnel or takes that to the wind tunnel and just sees that
what was the difference. Yeah. The only time I saw him at a deficit, because he, that, he,
He was up there when he wrecked.
So then they were in the back.
And Nick, his spotter standing next to me.
And I said, are you guys still in the race?
He's like, yeah, we're just missing right from Fender, but I think we're okay.
The next restart, I looked, and he was, you know, we chose with the 20, I think.
And I looked, and he was like, oh, shit, he's back.
All right, good.
You know, he's here.
And then he got, we were leading the 20 was second, and he was third.
And I noticed, that was the only time I noticed, like, I thought he had a little issue.
Like, he looked tight.
You know, like, we would get away from him on exit.
He could look like he got a little snug, but he was still able to maintain lanes and block.
but I was like, and then at the end of the race,
and that also, you know, stupidly played into my decision-making of, like,
is he going to be able to stay attached to us
or do I need to cover the 77 and have the 77 push
because if he couldn't stay attached?
And that happened off a two where he, we did get out away from him a little bit,
and I was like, oh, shit, maybe he can't stay.
But, you know, but no, great for them again, two weeks in a row for the 45 car,
MJ in victory lanes, always good for TV.
Y'all are one-two and points.
One-two and points, which I was thinking about,
this last night, you know, I was like, I was
miserable last night, obviously,
on the plane, and I went and
maybe had a couple beers, but
I was like, if you would have told me before
Daytona, you're going to come out of Atlanta second in points,
I'd have been like, fuck yeah, and I am miserable.
Those two races, how those two races played out.
But, you know, that's just the way it goes
sometimes. The 77 was
the show yesterday. I just think they had
a different plan.
You know what I'm saying? They got... He has
a different plan. Well, he does, but...
You know, I was talking, obviously,
Brian before we got on air. It's just, I think he's gotten to the point with everybody that
everybody's expecting him now to do what he does. So they're on edge around them. So he's kind of
getting what he wants, right? I mean, unfortunately, it's pretty smart on his part. He's,
he's kept his head down. He's taken his beatings. But the way he drove through that field four or five
times yesterday and the moves he was making, and what he does is everyone just gets out of his way
because everybody knows he's going to do it no matter what. So you're either going to all get
wrecked or are you going to move out of the way?
So, I mean, for him to hang back half the race and last place, just logging laps and all of
and then, all of a sudden, all right, I'm going to go up front and get stage points, or I'm going
to go up front and chase the win.
It's like, it's unbelievable.
I mean, what he did.
I just, I thought it would he put on a really good show.
I know he run into, obviously, a couple people on the way.
More than a couple.
Yeah, but I think he's getting to the point that everyone's expecting it, and he's either going
to keep pissing people off or he's going to start using that at his advantage and slow it down a
little bit. And that's when he's going to win races. How do you approach racing the guy like that?
He's going to do every crazy thing you expect him to do. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
Like, he's going to take every run that he possibly can. You can't expect him to push or anything
like that. And that's just the way it is. Like, it's, you know, and I think you get aware of everybody
you're racing around. Like, you understand, like, oh, this guy's tendencies or that guy's tendencies and stuff.
with Carson, he's really talented.
I mean, he's, he's one of the, I think he's one of the best prospects of the, like, young
drivers of the sport.
And he makes mistakes, you know, but he's going for it all the time.
I think if he cleans up some of the mistakes that he makes, but which is what gets him
to where he is, I think he's going to win a bunch of races.
But there's a still, like, there's a few things that he has to clean up that, you know,
he's young and things like that, which he'll hopefully clean up.
But, yeah, I mean, it's, it's kind of like, I don't want to.
I call it a double-edged sword because it's not.
But, like, he is aggressive, and that's what gets him to where he's at as far as being in contention to win these races.
But then there's mistakes that come that hurts him, you know, from finishing it out.
Like, you know, throws it in there underneath the 20 on the restart when there wasn't any hole there.
That's his aggressive move, but there was no space to go, and then it hurts him as far as that goes.
And he's definitely gotten better, I feel like, as far as, like, overly aggressive stuff.
I told, I can't remember what I was talking to.
I think I was talking to Gluck a year or two ago about him.
And I was like, man, there's a big difference between aggressive and reckless.
Like, you know, it's good to be aggressive, but then if you teeter on reckless, then it's, then you start to, that's an issue.
You know, so it's, there's a fine line between that.
And I have no problem with people being aggressive.
But when it gets to like some reckless stuff that pops up with him every now and then, I think,
just got to clean that stuff up and he's going to be really, really good.
He's already really good.
Yeah.
But if he cleans that little stuff up, he's going to be really contended for wins a lot.
He's got a really fast car right now.
Yeah, I mean, he's really good and the cars are fast and they're going to be, they're going to be really good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you mentioned reckless.
He, that move with the 20, I really don't know what that.
I mean, there was a three-quarter hole there and he was trying to make it.
But I just knew we had a massive run off a four coming to the white with Daniel pushing us.
And I knew he was the car on the outside.
And I'm like, we're never getting, like, we can't stop for him, but we got to go to the top.
And I know he's going to run us in the fence.
Like, you just know that's what he's going to.
And sure enough, we got to his outside, he just ran us straight in the wall.
And I'm like, it's incredible.
And I mean, I don't know.
Is it the problem that nobody's tall enough to punch him in the face?
I need a trampoline.
I don't know what the deal is.
I know.
I know what I spoke to him.
It was like Atlanta last year when he spun us into one and I was talking to him.
And he don't.
You know, when you're looking up like this,
that's a problem
a problem
you got no leverage
you know it's like shit
like I can't
it makes you feel so
not like
the stern one
it makes you feel like
you're talking to your dad
and you're like
I tell you what
the thing is
I've watched these type of interviews
with people going off on him
you can see in his eyes
he don't give a
not a fuck
he doesn't care
I mean he's like
yeah
he did text me last night
He ran me in the fence a couple times last night, and he apologized, which was the first time I've ever gotten a message from him.
So that's, and I told him, I said, that's appreciated.
Yeah.
Like, that goes further than you know of, like, admitting, hey, sorry for doing that.
And I'm like, all it takes.
It was just like a reach out or something like that.
So you think it was like a name in it or you think it was like a copy and paste that he sent to 14 other guys from last night?
No, he's actually sent my name in.
It was a personal.
Yeah, so I appreciated that.
You sure it's not coming from his PR?
team.
Phil was it next to me at the bar last night.
Do you have his number or do you have to
say whose number was it?
No, he put, I didn't have his number.
He put his name at the bottom of it.
That wasn't him.
Yeah, let me check.
It's probably Phil's small.
He's probably the PR.
The area code I didn't recognize.
It was probably his home area.
It was somewhere in Michigan.
So that was like, when I got that, I was like,
all right.
That means a lot.
I accept your apology and we're fine.
Yep.
You know.
Another guy that was kind of making way
on Saturday was was Corey Day.
I feel like I saw a lot on,
I didn't get to watch on Saturday, but I saw a lot of
shit talking on the internet, so
fill me in on... What's your take on Corey Day?
I mainly know him from
the sprint car side, you know, kind of
seeing him grow up in that world.
You know, my dad's
talked about him years ago.
You know, my dad brought his name up, you know,
three years ago. I was like, yeah, this kid's really good
on the sprint car side. At that time, he was not
going to, like, asphalt or anything like that.
But I don't know.
I've never talked to Corey.
I know he's a great sprint car driver.
I know it's going to take some time for him to adjust to, you know, the trucks and exfinity stuff.
But I don't really think that's the biggest thing for me.
Because kids are super talented.
Like you watch him in a sprint car and it is all go at all times and he can rip the top better than most, I feel like.
But I feel like that's hurting him right now because all he's never known is 30, 40 lapers of all out every lap.
And, you know, now this start just a different world.
And he's just making mistakes.
I think he just pushes in the wrong moments.
Like the other night you saw, like, he just kind of got up and running the side of,
who was a Carson, and then ended up wiping out three cars there.
You know, he just makes those mistakes.
And he's doing it a lot.
I didn't really fault him for the Sieg one in the beginning.
I mean, maybe he shouldn't have poked his nose in there that early,
but I felt like Seed kind of crowded him off a four a little bit and got himself turned.
That's just a tight spot.
Yeah, that's just a weird spot.
And, yeah, yes, he could have easily backed out and probably prevented it.
but I didn't really think that was some egregious move he shouldn't have done.
But he has definitely made mistakes in the arc of car and the truck.
And it's just, I think, a product of we see it all the time when these guys come in,
you know, even short trackers, like used to these shorter races where they just push too hard, too soon
and get themselves in tight spots.
I mean, you look at Larson when he came in, right?
He was the same way, right?
I think people would say the same thing about Larson when he first came over to nationwide side
when it was, I don't know, 11 or 12 or whatever it was.
It was a long time ago, but, like, I mean, people said the same thing about it and look at Kyle now, right?
So it's just, you know, can you hone your skills and can you hone the, you know, understanding the longer side of it?
The good thing he's got a lot of backing.
Oh, yeah.
And if someone else was in a different position that didn't have that backing, they probably wouldn't give him the time that's happening, right?
So they're going to be patient with them, I'm sure, because he does have a lot of talent.
Yeah.
I think the biggest thing for him is he's going to have to work.
he's getting the same reputation that Carson kind of has where, you know, reckless.
You know what I mean?
Like, and now you're, it takes, you got to get on the other side of that in a hurry if you want,
like obviously you're saying, you know, he's got, he's got plenty of support from behind.
Nobody's going to fire him next week because he's making mistakes.
But you're going to get race differently if you continue to let this stuff happen.
So I feel like you've got to like, turn, flip that script and turn it around and figure out
how to start getting the respect back of the guys you're racing with.
I mean, I don't think I've seen or heard one race that he's,
been in that his name hasn't come up of an issue, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, whether it's a truck or whatever, O'Reilly's, you know, there's always been an issue.
So, yeah, I mean, he just needs to slow it down a little.
He's got really fast cars, right?
I mean, just needs to take his time and understand that this is more of a team effort, right?
You know, a sprint car, right?
Ryan, you get in the car, you got to go 30 laps, you got to make it happen, right?
Well, this pit strategy.
There's another change you can make on a pit stop.
right just things that you know can help you advance in track position for a pit from a pit stop so
once he on i think he gets graphs the whole the bigger picture concept i think his talent will
yeah yeah something i was pumped to see freaking sheldon creed finally won in the over i was like
about time finally but i was sad to not see the littles running out there i was sad that cammy and the
kids were there i'm like a little's chad did he uh did he have eye surgery something no more glasses
I thought he had glasses on.
All the interviews, he didn't have glasses at the beginning.
Maybe he's wearing contacts, Tom.
Well, maybe that's why he won.
That's what I'm saying.
Got LASIC.
Yeah.
Now we can see.
Now he's from second to first.
I thought Rajah did a really good job on Saturday night as well.
Him and the 17, I thought, were the two fastest cars, at least.
And I don't know how Rajah lost his track position,
but it seemed like he just never recovered after he lost a lead after whatever.
He won the second stage, I think it was.
Look, getting right out of the trucks, what he did in.
right into Nick Svinney doing what he's doing, you know, the first two races.
It's pretty good, pretty good, man.
He does a hell of a job.
I'm a big Roger fan and great kid, awesome family, too.
And I wish he was in that 88 car all year because I think he can do a really good job.
It's like you build consistency with your guys, right?
Like, I feel like he should get that opportunity.
But he's making the most of it for sure every time.
I mean, for two races, he's been in that thing.
He's done really good.
Where's he in points?
He must be top five.
He's up there somewhere, yeah.
Yeah. I was talking about that with somebody there tonight. I think it was Gio. But it was, like, other than Allgaier, like I would say Allgaier is probably the favorite. But I feel like that Exfittany Championship is kind of wide open. Like there's not, you know, last year we had kind of Conner dominating all year. But, you know, I feel like that's just like, there's no one I can say, except for maybe Allgaier to be the closest one. I'm like, that guy is going to go out there and.
Yeah, that's too early to tell. Yeah. Give it, give it another month. And I think you'll kind of realize that here's, especially a group of five. Yeah, to really have.
hasn't been any racetracks yet, right?
Yeah, racing going on.
You know, one thing I wanted to talk about, especially with you, Ryan, you know, obviously
you have the wreck at Daytona last night, doesn't go exactly how you want it.
But you're still sitting, I think, eighth in points.
I looked, I think you have 67 points.
21 of those are stage points.
You know, how important.
A lot of people wanted to get rid of stages in the off season.
But I feel like, you know, back when Jeff Gordon and those guys are winning championships,
like in the old traditional 36 race format, like you could run top five all day and below
motor with five to go and you've got nothing to show for it. Now at least if you've run good all day,
you're banking 15, 20 points and then, you know, if I have a bad day, like I think it was Daytona,
you ended up getting 27 points for wherever you finished. But it's like, I think it was 17 of that
was, you know, stage points. So how important is that, like, I think that, like how important is that
to, I think we need stages to crown a deserving champion of a guy that at least, even if he has a
problem, he ran good all day and got some points. Well, that was the, well, maybe it wasn't the
complete goal of the stages when they first,
started it, but in my mind, it was rewarding guys who ran well the whole day, you know?
And like you said, you could, you know, win, you could be leading the first two-thirds of the race
and blow up or get in a wreck, and now you have nothing to show for it, right?
But like, oh, damn, that was the fastest car all day.
At least now, like, you can, I say now.
I mean, stages have been around forever.
And, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, some people don't like it.
I mean, I feel like the people that don't like it or, I don't think really the garage doesn't like it.
I think it's more of kind of the fan base.
That's not a fan of it.
But I think it rewards guys who run well all race, you know, and I think that's the way it should be.
And they become even more important now, you know, I think with this format, like, because the regular season, I'm going to call it the regular season, is so important to kind of cede yourself, you know, towards the front.
Yeah, for sure.
See, another one, another surprise is the 38 car, huh?
Smith.
It's two good races, yeah.
Two top tens.
We talked about that when Bob was here for the clash.
I felt like Zane had a really good second half of last year or at least stronger than he
had started.
And, you know, that's a team that's been together now for a year and a half or whatever.
So they hired my buddy Austin to work on the thing.
So it's probably going to fall apart at some point.
But, you know, but yeah, I think Zane's a really good race car driver.
He got to, you know, he's like a switch a couple years ago.
I mean, he was struggling a little bit halfway through the season.
All of a sudden, it's like, boom.
I was like, man, I think
like 24th to 25th race when he was
a rookie, I think that's when his contract
was starting to deal with what he had to deal
with all of a sudden, man, he'd turn it all.
It's funny how that happens sometimes.
When you need to win races, you can win them.
What's the Chris Gavehart drama?
I don't know. Do you know anything?
You know, obviously just what we've read online,
I don't know, Gibbs says he did it.
He says he didn't.
Well, he was like stealing sensitive info.
That's the allegedly.
Allegedly, I think that, you know, whatever they said was basically he was taking information off of their hard drives basically to bring over there.
I don't know.
I mean, where do you sit with this?
I feel like I want to say that I thought, I honestly don't know.
And maybe it's like I wanted to say I thought he was smarter than what they're saying he did.
So it's hard to, it's hard to imagine.
This is how it went down.
But I, you know, I don't know.
Like it's just a weird deal that I think we're going to have to wait and see how it plays out.
Yeah, I've just got to wait.
I mean, information's information, right?
I mean, has he helped create that information over the years, right?
Yeah.
But, I mean, if he was going to take anything, use anything,
Chris Gapart's plenty smart enough and educated enough to know how to do things on his own, right?
Especially being around there and seeing all the processes that go into building the car.
I mean, you don't have to have that on a computer of someone as smart as Chris to,
put that in your memory bank and bring it over to wherever else you're going.
I mean, I just think it's, you know, they're mad and, you know, they're going to try to get
something out of it.
And if they do, they do.
And they don't.
I think it was pretty clear that he and Ty didn't see eye to eye last year.
I think there's other stuff.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I know I probably misspoke last year on that, hearing some other things that went down.
Yeah, I think it goes a lot deeper, deeper than that.
But yeah, at the end of the day, Chris is one of the smartest guys in the garage, right?
I don't...
Let me ask you this.
Like, say you wanted to steal a setup, whatever.
Is that, how value, like, the setup, how, it's obsolete soon, right?
I mean, you guys are learning and changing on the fly so much?
Yeah.
Are you even running the same thing when we go back somewhere for a second time in a year?
Most of the time you don't because of the conditions, right?
Everything changes a little bit and the car progresses a little bit.
But he doesn't have to write it down and remember the setup.
It's not like, it's not rocket scientist.
The whole thing is...
Tommy, you're hurting your negotiations here, buddy.
No, no, I'm going to back up my negotiations.
The whole win is the car getting put together.
It's not like, it's the product getting put together.
The setup's the setup.
But how the car goes together is the win.
right how it's prepared so he he still knows all that he he's been over there for years he understands
all the processes of of the he's come up with a lot of the process right so i don't i don't know i mean
i think let him go do what he needs to do if things didn't end up working out how many years was he
there i mean he's there forever right so long time yeah i mean just it's definitely tricky it's like
like if an NFL coach goes to another team he's going to take his playbook with him like what what's
the difference, you know?
Like, I'm sure there's obviously...
There's a lot of confidential...
Toyota does a lot of confidential information
and contracts and stuff.
They try to protect their stuff.
They're a little bit different
than pretty much the other manufacturers,
a little bit more like,
this is how it's going to be.
So they're probably protecting that,
you know, all their stuff
that they need to protect,
which is understandable.
I mean, they put millions and millions
and millions of dollars into the sport
and they don't want that type of information
going to another manufacturer.
That's probably the...
biggest argument, right? But the guy's not dumb. He's going to know what's right and wrong and
take it any, you know, use what's right or wrong anyway. I mean, without a book or a computer.
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Sure.
Atlanta is far and away the most fun and entertaining race track on the schedule.
Spot-on, spot-off.
Brian.
I think from a fan's perspective, it is, for sure.
I mean, like, I think it's more entertaining than Daytona Tau-Dega,
just the shape of it and, you know, things that happened through the race and separation.
quick closings and on the straightaways and stuff like that.
And I think it's very entertaining from a fan perspective to watch.
Like, I was in the booth for the truck race, and it was, we had a blast up there.
Like, it was an awesome truck race.
The Xfinity race was great.
I haven't rewashed the cup race yet, but I'm sure it was really good.
I think it puts on a hell of a show.
That's for sure.
You think it would work at Charlotte?
I'm not advocating for more speedway racing.
I know Atlanta puts on a great show.
is it my favorite place to go?
Like, no.
Like, you know, just because I, you know, it's a speedway to me and stuff like that, you know, but I think it's very entertained to watch.
I think you said it, but like, you prefer Atlanta over what we have at Tal Daga and Daytona right now.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Because I feel like, you know, it's, I mean, it's the most fun race to spot now, you know, over like Daytona, Tall Dadega used to be that way.
Now it's Atlanta for me.
And simply for the fact that, like, just yesterday as an example, I feel.
feel like we're leading the race.
We have that late caution.
We know we're coming down.
Last pit stop.
If we can keep control the race, we got a good shot at it, whatever.
And we have a misky on pit road where we thought the seven was coming around us,
but the seven stopped and waited for us.
So we lost, I don't know, like 10 spots.
We came out of pits 12th.
If that's Daytona with 20 to go, you're screwed.
We're done.
Race is over.
This place, I had no doubt that we could just drive right back up there.
So I think that, like, that's the biggest thing.
What we need to get back to Daytona is Daytona Taladay.
is the ability to, I can pass cars kind of at will if I got a good enough race car to do it.
So that was the biggest thing yesterday because I was like this, like, at no point yesterday,
even we lost track position, we got shuffled out a line a couple times.
I'm like, we'll be fine.
Like, we're just going to be able to go back and work the bottom and we'll get right back up in there.
And I wish that's the thing what we need to find to get back to that kind of racing at, you know,
to Taldaiga and Daytona.
I've said it countless times of Daytona Taldego it needs to be done.
Just they need to work on the tire.
How did I know who's going to say the time?
I mean, I don't know how many times.
I mean, the reason why yesterday was so good is because we're spending time off the throttle is part of it.
Yeah.
I mean, I just think they need to work on the tire, soften it up.
How would you like to drive a car at Daytona Tal'Daga with like no down force of a tire?
Three and a spoiler on it?
I can chip it.
Like, I think that's one of the tire I think is, yes, you got to work on for speedways.
Also, I think you can take some spoiler off of it.
Like, they're just super draggy.
I think you can cut at least three inches off of it and just see what it does.
You try to create a little separation, a little bit off the guest,
not just get us on each other all the time, you know.
Daytona is better than Talladega because you can actually get third lane at Daytona.
And Talladega, you know, it's not as good to get up in the third lane
just because it's way longer distance than cars handle better.
But, yeah, I think you need to cut some spoiler off of it.
Yeah.
You need to do both for it to work.
Carson Hosevar will win a race before Connor Zillich.
Spot on, spot off.
Freddie.
We should be bringing that up after this week, just in case.
Yeah, well, that's the point.
Man, I want to say spot on, but he, yes, I think so.
I think spot on.
He has too much speed to not figure it out sooner or later.
And Connor, I think Connor's only chances this year are going to be the road courses.
You know, Conner's a very town's a race car driver,
but I think he's got a little ways to go on the ovals in the cup car.
But, yeah, I mean, Carson is too fast, I think, to not win a race here.
I think sometime this year, I would say.
I think they both win this year.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
I'm honest with you.
Yeah, I think both of them will.
I think Carson takes advantage of everything that he's learned
and it's going to put together a complete race finally.
And then he's going to win, he's going to sit back and go,
oh, and then after that he's going to be winning more because of it.
it, right? And then I think Conner's going to take advantage of his strengths, right, on road
courses and do the things he needs to do there. So I'm looking forward to him in SVG of getting
to the point of battling out in a cup car. I don't know when it's going to happen. It might not
happen this weekend, but last time I looked Connor was pretty good at Cota. I think it's going to
happen about six days from now.
That's yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's going to be the Shane and Connor show this weekend.
I could be wrong, but I look forward to hopefully I can see them
and I can watch it from a handful of seconds.
Not on television.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously you're one of the best race car drivers in the world, Ryan,
but when you're looking at SVG or Conner's data through the road courses
and you're trying to pick it apart, what do you do?
I mean, how do you like go?
Well, that's the thing.
Like everybody, you know, talks to like, oh, my God, there's so much data out there now.
How can these guys just not do what they do?
And it's like, that's hard.
Like, you can't just emulate someone else's style.
And it's the same way with everywhere.
Like, why can't Shane emulate what Denny Hamlin does at Bristol or what Kyle Larson does at Homestead?
Like, it's hard to do, even with all the data out there in the world.
I have never personally been able to do a very good job of, like, making myself drive like somebody else.
I just look at, okay, they're fast here.
How do I adjust what I'm doing in my own way to try to get to this spot?
So it's, I don't know.
I mean, we've talked about it for years with Shane, like, kicks our ass every freaking road course.
And it's like, well, just do what he's doing.
It's like, well, it's not that simple.
If that was the case, then I would go be a brain surgeon.
Like, I would just go watch a brain surgeon do it and be like, oh, okay, yeah.
I got an appointment tomorrow.
I don't know.
I mean, those guys are.
Do you see anything that you notice and then do you try it and you can't?
Or like how does that like?
Yeah, I see stuff that Shane does.
I mean, well, Shane, you know, we all talk about the right foot breaking, you know,
and he kind of really can utilize clutch pedal like others can't.
And everyone says, well, why don't you just right foot break?
I'm like, it's going to take me to the end of my career.
So even right foot break, how good, as good as I can left foot break now.
So I'm just too far behind the game.
I can't just learn how to right foot break.
never get to Shane's level, but not even get to my own level of what I'm doing now.
So there are things that he does that I think are possibly obtainable from a driver standpoint,
but other things, I think you have to really switch up your style of how you approach everything.
And that's hard to do, especially when you go out there and you have, hey, we got 20 minutes.
Go ahead, go try it.
And then if it doesn't work and practice, you're like, oh, shit, I need to go back to what I know how to do to try to run.
Yeah, you didn't try your regular program.
It was mind-boggling to me just the fact that he came over here and just sat on the other side of the car and went and waxed our ass in Chicago that day.
I was like, everything is backwards.
And he just no effect whatsoever.
I think, like, would he have been as successful in the previous-gen car as he is now on the road courses?
Yeah, I don't think so.
They're way different.
I think he would still be very good.
He was pretty good in O'Reilly's car.
He would, yeah.
I mean, he would still win.
I think this car, I think this car caters.
He would still win the race, I think.
But I feel like he, like, we don't have a shot in this car right now.
Instead of winning by 15 seconds, he'd win by six.
Yeah.
Still get the trophy.
That's for sure.
All right.
Austin Hill is completely justified in saying that Ross Chastain was doing
Ross Chastain things after last lap contact of the O'Reilly's race.
Spot on, spot off.
Tommy.
Yeah, but Austin Hill does Ross Chastain things a lot too, right?
I mean, he was just in that position that he got
Chastain instead of someone get healed.
I don't really feel.
I feel like from watching that that it looked like because the double zero was shoving the 32
so hard is kind of why he hit.
Well, the double zero, I mean the 32 had a big run.
Austin threw it.
I thought a late block didn't get the block completed.
And Ross is never going to lift.
No.
Not in that situation, not in that car where he's not racing for anything except for a win.
You know, like the one thing I'll give Austin Hill credit for is he does not give any kind of fucks
what anybody thinks about him.
He's going to say whatever he wants.
He had a hell of a save.
If you don't believe it, just ask him.
He was the one that was promoting it in the post-race interview.
He's good, man.
I mean, the guy's a good race car driver.
It's just, you know, his attitude rose people the wrong way.
And, like, he does, I think he can be a little hypocritical at times of, you know,
like he doesn't like getting race the way he races other people sometimes.
But like this deal, I don't, like, what did he think Ross was going to do there?
It's the same thing as me being stupid enough to try and block Carson Hosavar.
You know it's coming.
You know it's coming.
You know you're going to get sent if you block them.
End of story.
Yeah.
Like if he,
and the problem is I think he gets away where Ryan,
and Ryan Newton,
I mean,
you've been in this position before.
Like,
when you're up front all the time and you kind of,
as much as he's dominated all these plate races,
and most of the blocks you pull are successful,
sometimes you think they're all going to be successful.
And this one just wasn't.
Well, yeah.
I mean, at the end of that race,
I mean, what do you,
I don't blame either of them for doing what they did.
Like, Austin has to throw the block and Ross is going to take the run.
Like, it's, and it's just,
part of it and it just kind of accumulated at this late like run that came from Ross because it took
him a while to get there like if you know if that run comes halfway down the backstretch you know you don't
see that but it just came into three and Russell's like I got to take this somewhere and Austin's like
well I have to protect and it just two guys just came together I mean that's just part of that racing yeah for
Ross lifts he's 10th do you feel like right I feel like Atlanta like the runs just kind of materialized
almost instantly.
You know what I mean?
Like it's hard to judge them.
It's harder there, obviously,
than like Daytona tell you get like,
I feel like, obviously the back stretch
is probably twice as long.
But like you see the run coming
from off of two where three,
like you'd be going down the middle of the backstress
and all of a sudden like one guy gets one shove
and you're like, holy fuck.
Two, one inside.
You know what it's like?
I feel like it just happens so much faster Atlanta.
And maybe it's just because it's just a shrunken down
version of what we'd do on Saturday.
Going into one was crazy.
Yeah.
Well, I think just like the, so you're, it's,
It's, you know, sharper corners at Atlanta.
So there's gaps that get built because you have to lift.
But then the draft is still so big.
So you even have a bigger run coming to the guy that's leading or in front of you because the gap is bigger.
You know, you build two or three car lengths of a gap.
And then, you know, the guy behind second is up that guy's ass.
And just the runs are just massive, you know.
And yeah, I mean, it just slinkies a lot, you know, as opposed to a Daytona Tau-Degger where we're all just a little bit tighter.
stay together.
Yeah.
A shortened race with a cutoff time is better than a postponed full-length race.
Spot on, spot off, Freddie.
Spot on.
I could not believe when I got back to the hotel that people were mad about this.
Like, what, they had three options.
First of all, you're not going to ever run the truck race into the O'Reilly race TV window.
That's not going to happen.
It's two separate networks.
They're not just going to give up time to the other one.
So that was off the table.
That was never going to happen.
So now how do you just, how do you manage that?
And the three options were canceled the race, run the next day at 9 o'clock in the morning.
I don't know that anybody wanted to do that.
There was one option talked about where they would run the race, get to whatever, 420, red flag it,
and then finish after the O'Reilly race, which I think that would have been idiotic where we run, we run, we red flag it with 10 to go, wait four hours and come back and line them up and do that again.
That's not going to work.
So this was, in my mind, this was the only way to fairly do it for everybody where we go green.
When we go green, we know what time the race is over.
I mean, we were 10 laps from finishing the race.
A couple of those cautions don't happen.
We get the whole race in.
And I saw people say, well, you only had 10 to go.
You can't do that because.
You said it at the start of the race.
Yeah.
Fox said it.
I'm in the booth and they said it before we even went green.
Hey, and we reminded people many times, Jamie did, like, 420 is our cutoff.
420 is our cutoff.
And so you make the rule and you can't take it back.
I don't care if there's 50 laps to go
or five laps to go. Like, this is it.
And now all the teams know it. They've related
to all the crew chiefs.
And they weren't going to run a Sunday morning.
They were going to run it after the cup race on Sunday.
Well, if that was only if
Xfinity got rained out too.
If they both got rained out, it was going to be triple-headed
with the truck. But then if we got Xfinity
in Trucks were going to be in that
Sunday morning. Or I'm sorry, time spot.
Yeah.
That's shitty auto pus for anyway.
You can keep messing it out.
Never heard of them.
Yeah, but the fact that people were like,
just run the last 10 laps, what's so big?
I'm like, yeah, until five to go,
we have a 40 truck pile up.
And now we have three green, white checkers,
and now it's 6 o'clock before we're done.
You can't take that chance.
Yeah, you can't.
Once you say it's 420, the race is entering are 420,
which that was an odd time to pick.
Well, I think they'll just, yeah.
You can not go 425, maybe, just so we don't have so many memes.
But, I mean.
They know those.
times though man they understand how long it takes the stage to go up the introductions the stuff
they needed to do with the o'reilly's i mean they all that is figured out they know what but i mean as a
crew chief tom like don't isn't that what you would want like i at least i know when this race is going to
end yeah like you don't know what lap it's going to be obviously but you know it's going to end there you
know that last pit stop was going to be the last one no matter what so it did i don't think it changed
anybody's strategy, right?
Yeah. No. And even in the booth, I'm sure, like,
for me on the roof, I know it ends at 420, but unfortunately, I'm
spotting, so I can't, like, stare at my phone to see
what time, you know, what time it is.
Even that, we weren't sure. Like, Jeff Stankowitz, my crew chief was like
two minute warning, Freddie, one minute. So now I'm thinking,
all right, one minute's like two laps, and then I'm like,
well, that's three laps. And then it was like,
I didn't know it was going to end. We're running third or fourth, like,
trying to figure out what to do. And then finally, like, I think it was in the
they're like, all right, coming to the white this time.
And that's like, okay, now I know the son bitch is over.
Like, here we go.
Here's what we're doing.
But up until then, you still didn't really know exactly how to play it out.
Yeah, I mean, but like you said, I mean, they can do the math, right?
It's 31 second lap around there.
If you have five minutes left, there's your laps, right?
You got 10, maybe 11 laps that you can run.
You know, so all the crew chiefs knew what the deal was.
And I thought it played it out fine.
You guys did good, no, and, you know, explain it to everybody.
Yeah, Jamie did.
a good job of like continuing to say it was funny though when we they came up with like the 20 to go
it's like the craftsman 20 to go or something like that but there was only like three minutes left
i'm like maybe we should say inside the 20 to go but they had to get the plug in i saw i think it was
a break hard said that he's like the craftsman 20 to go with when we know there's seven laps
left left left yeah they paid for the spot i got to get their shout out i guess that's how i felt
when we raised at north wokesboro and i looked at my watch and i knew we had to be done by nine
we still had like 58 laps to go and it was like 8.45.
I'm like we're not getting in our TV window.
I would rather TV set that precedent before the race as opposed to, I remember we ran at...
It's been a couple of them.
New Hampshire.
It's been in New Hampshire that one year where it was getting dark.
We were rain delayed and this was maybe like 20 or 21 or something like that.
And they were all of a sudden just like 20 to go.
Yeah.
You know, or 10 to go even.
And no one knew when they were going to give us like 10 to go or something like that.
Like it was just an unknown.
So that's why they're doing it more.
at the beginning so everybody knows.
I mean, it's basically your sunset, you know,
for the tracks that have lights. It's a sunset policy that we've had,
which is, you know, here we get to this time. We throw the white flag
and the race is over. You should know what's coming.
Nobody has to stay an extra day.
What did you guys think up top? Again,
they held to their guns about single car spins.
Holy, single car spins. The fucking half the field in the expedity race
had flat tires down the front stretch,
and we're splitting every side. I'm like, stay green.
You got to stay green.
Again, listen, I'm good with it.
What do you guys think up top from that now?
I'm good with it.
You know, and it's, I saw yesterday, like, there was one that I was like, oh, that was a quick one.
I liked it because it won us a stage, but I think it was Larson spun.
But then I was like, I thought, like, why I'm just focused so much on Bubba that.
I'd really see what happened behind us.
And Larson spun.
I just thought he spun, like, down the infield, but I realized he saved it and came back across.
And like as soon as he came back across, you put it out, you know.
So, listen, I think Tim does a great job up there.
Obviously, if this is the new norm, I'm good with it.
As long as it's safe, you know.
And yesterday, I felt like it did.
the good job of, you know, if there was contact or, like, there was a spin in the middle of the pack
with cars coming, they threw the yellow. Like I said, the only thing I didn't like was last
week was, like, watching Kyle Bush's in-car when he's blowing through the wreck after, you know,
and they're still green. And I was like, ooh, that's, that's a tough look. But, like, if, I mean,
how do you feel about, like, I don't, obviously, you don't want to go piling him in a wreck
on the green, but, you know, would you prefer them to hold it and let you guys race more?
I don't know. I don't know. It's, it's strange from my seat because it can go either way.
Like if I'm spinning and they're not throwing the yellow,
then it's like, if you have cars kind of blitzing by you,
that's not really good.
Like, well, even at Daytona, like, I was in the wreck into one.
And, you know, they kept it green, which they, you know, they said,
they were like, oh, you know, they said that they didn't see too many big hits,
which my center section looked like an hourglass after the race.
So, all right, well, I thought I took some big ones.
But my
Big hits is subjective
It wasn't that big
You know
But I've seen them do the same
Like in the Xfinny race
I think there was like a couple
Like Clement spun out
Jeremy Clement spun out
They didn't throw the yellow
That truck race
The Andretti truck spun out
Like in the middle of three and four
They didn't throw the yellow
I don't know
It's just all
I don't know
It's their judgment
And if they think it's okay
It's okay
But I had a little bit of an issue
Last week at Daytona
Where we all reckon one
they let it go and they need to relay that like there's a big wreck into one even after the race you got to slow down because like I'm wrecked getting out of my car on the backstretch and guys are running by me like 170 I'm like all right and no safety vehicles were around me like I couldn't drive it and I parked like three or four lanes on the apron and guys are going by me like 170 I'm like the race is over like we need slow down after the race is over when there's a wreck but that's different but I don't know if it's single car then maybe let it eat if it's a single car then maybe let it eat if it's a
there's no danger of that guy getting hit
or something like that.
Yeah.
You mentioned Andretti.
Believe or not,
we had a little conversation
on the show last week
about driver approval.
Did we?
Did we cover that?
I couldn't remember if we covered that or not.
Thank God because we finally got some more
tick-tacks on our Facebook stuff on.
Now we have some followers.
Yeah, we got followers.
I didn't really, I mean,
Andretti has an extensive
Trans Am background.
So, like, that's, I think, you know,
He did not get approved for Daytona.
So he got approved for Atlanta, which I don't really know what the difference is.
Atlanta's probably a little more sketchy than Daytona.
But, you know, I thought he did an okay job.
He was obviously on edge, loose as hell to start the race.
I think he spun out one time.
But then he kind of figured it out.
I think he ran top 12 or something like that.
Yeah, he came back.
He actually did pretty good.
Yeah.
He was hanging on.
He was lap two.
He was fish tailing all three one and two.
I was like, oh, he's getting a rude awakening right here.
But that's the thing.
Like, you know, at that point,
It seemed to me like he, I mean, we swallowed him up right away.
So it seemed like he's like, okay, you know what?
I'm fucking over my head right here.
I just got to go figure it out in the back here.
And didn't like try to, some guys just try to force the issue.
And that's where you see him get in trouble.
So I thought he handled it the right way.
And I didn't really have a problem with his approval.
I mean, I would, I still would like to see him have to do more in ARCA or, you know, like, you know, something.
Short track.
Yeah, short track.
But something kind of oval, but, you know, it's still a lot to ask for.
And I don't know.
I saw Landon and Parker had a really good discussion.
about that this week about like a licensing system or something like that but i mean i i don't know it's
it's it's it's too circumstantial i guess i don't i still don't have a solution for the problem so i
hate bringing it up but well it's hard to approve like you know you go to all right we're going to
test this guy to see we're going to go to an open test see if we approve them for x racetrack
and they go make a lap spot themselves you know and it's you give them the yes or the no more
like you're not you're probably going to get the yes but then you like to race you like to
race scenario is so different than that you know like man you're going to blitz it off in here with
30 40 other people don't have any idea about like what lack of side force feels like because you just ran
by yourself at this place and so i don't know it's and it's hard to judge that like how do you
you can't put them out there with 10 other guys and put them in these positions like they're going
to be in the race so i don't know i think they have a decent process i think it's getting better for
sure. Like it's become a little bit more of a, like, due process to get approved, but I don't really have a
problem with it. We're following the process. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Luke, we're following that process of doing
what we need to do. What is Luke approved for right now? All truck races, I assume, right? Yep. And I think
mile and a half and below of O'Reilly's. Yeah. And that's, and that's, the O'Reilly stuff probably
just based off of the truck races he ran last year. Well, he run Pocono. He's run Kansas. I mean, so he's
You know, but it is what it is.
I mean, I understand.
I mean, he, you know, he ran Kansas, and he got clobbered up there off of two.
You know, he wrecked himself there, getting in the bad air, and he understood that.
So, again, I'm like, all right, we got to get back after.
I mean, we got to go to Pocono, and, you know, and you got to learn.
So his whole job of that race was to learn, right?
And then the last 10 laps being a position to take advantage of.
And he ended up, I think, 11th or 12th in that race.
he did a good job, probably would have finished better if he was aggressive the whole race,
but that wasn't the point, right?
The point was to go there and learn.
And we had the same issue with you.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, when we showed up at Darlington the first time, you...
It's a lot different than Richmond.
Right.
I mean...
I'll tell you that.
Like, I mean...
I mean, we showed up.
We qualified eighth.
We run eighth at Richmond.
Run around...
Pretty much got your career growing with Brad, right?
The whole race showed up at...
Darlington's second lap.
You're in the fence, right?
Off of two.
So, I mean, it's just like, holy shit, it's a whole other world, right?
So I just, I would like to see the process be equal, right?
I mean, to go through these things.
You know, it all costs money, right, to do this.
And NASCAR understands that.
And NASCAR understands it costs money to go through all those approval processes,
and you might not even get to the point where you want to get to.
So maybe they might rush some people because they have money or they,
or they have a little bit more experience.
but if they're going to make everybody, you know, some people do it, they got to make everybody do it, right?
That's our point. I think that's our point. We're not mad at Cletus.
No. Right. We need Cletus. Like, we need him around, but we also need him to be ready for what he's doing.
Yeah, we don't want him to get himself in trouble and have a short career. Yeah. Right?
I mean, look, no one is, no one said anything about Travis Pistrona the other day. You know why? Because he's already, he's already did it, right? He came in and made those mistakes.
just like Cletus did without an approval process in the beginning.
Right?
He did, right?
But now he went in, he understood.
He had a good run.
He's fine, right?
So I just, you know, I was a little skeptical of Andretti.
I never even knew who he was and what he did.
But, you know, I think he qualified well because the truck is really good.
Got himself and what he could have did the same thing Cletus did.
Yeah.
He could have spun out and took half the field and we'd be talking about how bad it was.
but he slowed it down a little bit, went down back to the back,
maybe got his barons in order, got the truck tightened up a little bit,
learned a little bit, and had a good finish.
And that's what you're supposed to do.
But was it too early for him to show up in Atlanta?
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
All right, DBC fans, it's time to work.
Well, I'm excited to get into reaction theater today
because I know we will have some excited Kyle Bush fans
and then the toaster comments never fail.
So, yeah, I mean, I don't think
other last weekend
required a toaster
In the tub
They're just going to be happy about the toastster
Yeah, I mean, maybe a toaster
Unplugged
That's fine
But I don't think you should be plugged in
Yeah
Dang on wrong my man
By that's talking about
Whom Boom man
Go 12
Go 12
That might have been me
That was you last night
Now
Waking up for a feeding
Yeah
At 3 30 in the morning
Yeah
What a guy
Routy one
We're getting late boys
I don't know by who
But good luck
Holy fuck
Look at Chris right
Go
Oh shit
That's fucking Corey Day
Drive the fucking same stupid
Was that Derek
That might have been Krause
Sounded like Krause
Listen
Somebody somebody said on the sheet somewhere
that Chris Wright got into somebody the other night and wrecked him.
You know, that's just...
Tommy didn't even know he was racing.
I broke that news to Tommy today.
The look on his face was pretty priceless.
But that was something I brought up on the Gluckcast on Thursday.
You know, everybody last year was ripping Chris Wright.
You know, that was everybody's favorite punching bag was like,
we got a Chris Wright's approval should be revoked.
This guy's a weapon.
And I was like, I hate to tell you, he's more ready to do what he's doing than Cletus is.
You know what I mean?
Like if you asked me
to who I wanted to line up next to
to a Daytona, it would probably be Chris Wright right now.
So, like, that was kind of our point about,
you know, it wasn't like just hate on Cleetus.
It was like he needs to be better
to be prepared, you know?
But Chris Wright is always going to do Chris Wright.
Well, I would say that
Sheldon Creed fans are getting laid tonight.
But I don't think Sheldon Creed fans have girlfriends.
I'm being honest with you.
Oh, Lord.
Come on.
Sheldon, listen.
Sheldon is a lot of fun to be around.
I'm sure they were some Coors lights consumed.
He has earned his way.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Hey, it's old man Bush here.
Kids these days don't know how to drive race cars.
Back in my day, we had single fall restart.
Time to take my Lipitor.
What was that about?
Who was it, Noah?
Did Noah getting back of Kyle and turn him?
Yeah, it was Noah.
Yeah.
So I guess I didn't really see it.
It looked like it's like Noah ran in the back of Kyle and turned him in the middle of the back straight away.
And he got out and was bitching about kids don't know how to race.
And they just run through the back.
I mean, he's not wrong.
But I feel like, I mean, Bubba was talking about it.
Bubba's like at some point in race yesterday, he's like, is my nose okay?
He's like because I am fucking smashing into people.
But it's kind of like how you kind of have that the runs are so big.
You almost don't have a choice.
No.
Sometimes you don't.
Yeah.
There was one time he got like, we were trying to work with the 19.
and we came off a two and we had a massive run
and 19 was on the bottom and I'm like
I hope we don't hit him because we're going to wreck him
and Bubba split bottom of three and passed him and I was like
he's like man tell him I'm sorry because I just couldn't square him up right there
I was like yeah no shit well give you an idea of how hard we're hitting each other out there
it was when me and the two were working the bottom I think it was the 45 and the 11 on the top
and the two is just melee and me
and we were going down the backstretch and he hit me so hard my foot came off the gas
Like, I'm wide open, and my foot slipped off the gas pedal, and I'm, huh.
And it was the hardest, like, shove I ever got, and I texted Austin after the race.
I was like, oh, my God, man.
Like, I loved them.
Like, keep it coming, but my foot slipped off the gas pedal.
You were fuel saving from the lead.
Yeah.
You were upset about that last week, and now you were doing it.
Well, you know, when y'all are gridlocking it, like, freaking New York traffic.
Y'all, it's all.
It was, you all fall.
Normally, I was part of it.
It's there.
Yeah, no, right?
I was part of it.
When have we ever done Ford's ever roadblocked the field?
Taledega.
We've never done three wide roadblocked the field.
Because you just didn't think of it at the time else you would have.
Well, we still haven't done it.
You did it two by two.
Oh, well, that's one less than three.
We figured it out.
We could do a third one.
We really got you guys fucked.
Yeah.
Taledega is going to be four.
Talada we're going to go.
You guys started it.
We didn't start it.
We got up there yesterday.
We got clear, I think, and Tyler was on the bottom.
And I said, oh, God, here we go.
Because I was like, there's like the start of a stage, maybe stage three.
And I was like, we needed to save a little bit of fuel, obviously, just for the pit stop.
And we got to the lead.
And I'm like, all right, try it again, see what happens.
And with the yellow came out, like five laps later.
I was like, oh, damn it.
It's about fucking time.
We have a conversation about Kyle Larson and his ability to wreck with the best car in the field consistently.
This guy can't drive a two-by-four and a nail.
Let's get him some help.
Can you drive a two by four into a nail?
Or is it the other way?
He is backwards.
I guess we got to get probably one of the best
race code drivers in the world recertified.
I don't know.
I mean, it looked to me like he just came across SVG's nose yesterday
and then obviously hit the fence.
But it sounded like I don't really know.
Sounded to me like there was a crisscross in communication there
because he made a comment like I didn't know I was three wide
and Tyler Maun and his spotter was like, well, you weren't three wide.
There was just a car underneath you when you tried to turn down there.
So I don't really know.
but you know he was he was another one that was really really fast i felt like so when he got tore up
i wasn't very upset about it um but it looked like he just didn't know that shame was there yeah
like like he didn't hear i yeah it must say i don't know if you're coming we're coming to the stage
end so i don't know like if you're just so super focused on you know trying to get to the line that
you just tune it out but like it's very clear in the audio tyler's like inside inside inside inside
you know you hear that ramp up when it's like you see the guy coming down um but yeah i mean
it's just, I don't know if you just, I mean, how is that for you coming?
I mean, your radio is one thing, but, um, he's at me.
Because he's the, he's the crash out guy on the radio.
Everybody gives him shit for it.
Yeah.
But like, it's like, when you, when you are in those.
That's the thing.
Now, we're going to talk about this.
I knew this is going to talk about this.
We're going to talk about this.
Tell me one guy who doesn't do the same thing that I do.
Nobody.
Everybody does the same thing you do.
Exactly.
Why do I get?
Because you had a quiet one of it.
Yeah, you're the nice guy.
No one.
understands that. So I should just be a dick
all the time. No, no, no, but
everyone loves, I think everybody loves when
you do it. I don't know about that.
Not only everybody does for it. I'm like, everybody
does it. I don't understand it.
I get more grief for
blowing up on the radio for
15 seconds than people give
other people grief who be like wrecked guys all the time.
Yeah. Which is crazy to me, but hey, we don't
give you grief. I know that. I know you don't.
We like it. I love a good radio
on our radio. It's fun because
every time Bubba crashes out, I
I just make fun of them.
So I think everybody doesn't take it so serious when we do it because it's like,
well, you shut the fuck up.
Yeah, Roger that brother, shut the fuck up.
But, yeah, it's fun.
I enjoy listening to you get nuts because it's just so out of character for you.
Well, I mean, if he does it, it's for a reason, right?
He's just not.
Tommy knows my father.
Yeah.
There's no doubt that I am Dave's son.
Oh, yeah.
Brady crap.
This guy bet on.
That came in at 8.30 on Friday morning.
That's an early, fuck you.
That was it?
That was the whole call?
That was the whole call.
I called that in when I got it.
I do that every day.
Where were you Friday morning?
I don't know.
Trace that call.
Playing with your llama?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, what is that?
What's with my llama?
He protects our goats.
Yeah.
Lamas are great, like, small livestock.
Did he make an escape?
He did.
When did you get into farming?
Does it?
Does it spit at you guys?
She loves...
Yeah, she likes doing it.
Is she from farming?
From llamas?
Yeah, she's from llamas.
Now, she grew up like riding horses and stuff.
Oh, okay.
She just wanted to get animals and...
So did you...
What am I going to say, no?
When you bought the house, did you envision the backyard being full of animals?
No.
But it has gone that way.
So what do you got?
What do you got?
Well, we got three goats.
They're Nigerian dwarf goats.
And then we have a llama.
And I've guessed chickens are.
coming.
And I heard we're going to get three male goats now so we can breed the females because
she wants goat milk.
Okay.
So, and we have a three-month-old of the house.
Yeah.
So, do you need to treat the llama better?
Where did he blow?
I heard he made an escape.
He did make an escape.
Yeah.
I was feeding Charlie like two weeks ago.
And it's like 7.38 in the morning.
And this was like when it was cold.
Like it was before snowed, but it was like teens.
and my wife's friend who was staying with us,
she came down.
She's like, hey, are your animals supposed to be like free roam?
I was like, what are you talking about?
They're like, no, they're in the front yard right now.
I was like, you're messing with us.
She's like, no, they're in the front yard.
I was like, oh, shit.
So I run outside, shorts, no shoes, socks, no shirt, freezing.
And I yell at my goats.
They're like probably 200 yards away from my front porch
in the front yard.
And I yell at my goats and they come running towards me
and they're yelling.
Like the goats are like,
going crazy running towards me and if they could speak english i think they were saying spanish what did
they speak i don't know if they could use english i i know they were probably saying like look what he
fucking did we didn't do that's what the way they were screaming at me so they come up to me and he's
just looking at me like 200 yards down the way i'm like and this like he's like two weeks the llama
we're talking about yeah the llama like we got him like two weeks ago so i'm like jesus man
So he broke out of our fence, like...
Just busted through.
I mean, he's 350 pounds.
What do the neighbors think about all this going on in this farming?
My neighbors aren't close.
So I think my neighbor caused it personally.
He's going to blame it.
Yeah, and this is allegedly...
She doesn't listen to this podcast.
No, no.
So Lama's right there.
They don't like foxes, coyotes.
That's what they protect against.
So they'll freak out if there's...
a fox or coyote round. So I don't think there was a fox or coyote, but I think my neighbor's dogs, they sometimes just run over through the woods. And I think, or dog was out there probably barking at this llama. And he was like, I'm going to get this. And so I was kind of proud of him for break it out. I was like, you're doing your job. I don't want you to break through this thing. But like, you had a goal and you were trying to get this dog. Not makes me feel good for when my dogs are around him. But yeah, he broke out. So we had a, we had a rassling back in and then we had to reinforce our fence. So.
Yeah, he does not spit.
I know you asked that question.
But did I make that up?
Do llamas spit?
They do spit.
That's a stereotype about him.
He's a, he's a classy llama.
He's a classier llama?
No, they, so they spit.
Classy llamas only.
So I learned a lot about them from the guy I got him from.
And I brought that question up.
I was like, gosh, you know, all you read about is llamas, they spit at you and stuff like that.
But that's, he's like, oh, no.
He's like, that's if they were, like, in petting zoos and stuff.
and they get hand-fit all the time,
and then they get mad.
You're not hand-feed them.
I would start spitting that people, too.
Yeah, and it's not even saliva.
It's like bile.
Like, they regurgitate, and then they spit vomit at you, which is even worse.
So he's never spit on us.
It does make you nervous.
Like, if he'll get in your face, you're like, are we doing this right now?
It's like, I'm going to have to box this law.
I'm going to lose.
Like, if I'm not going to win.
But he has not spit on me yet.
But it's been a couple times.
I'm like, oh.
Is today the day?
Today might be the day.
Yeah.
It's funny.
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I'm ready to get into shit show.
Sam Mayer.
He's got to go on there, I think.
I mean, Sam's going to win.
I mean, we can fill the poll out all you want, but Sam is going to be top of the board, I think.
Yeah, how bad do you feel about?
Well, actually, I don't feel bad at all.
For the guy, I feel bad for the crew guys.
Oh, yeah.
Like, what a team.
teammate. Great teammates doing all the right things. Like, good job, man. I saw him.
To Sam's credit, I saw him up. We have a little SMI. Most of the tracks has like a little
sweet. It's not a sweet. It's just a room that we can put our stuff in before we go to the roof.
And I saw Sam in there before the races. I just looked at him and I was like, buddy, he's like two weeks in a row. I'm going to be on your fucking podcast. I was like, yeah.
At least last week we were in favor of him. He said, he said, I was just up there excited for Sheldon. I pulled up next to him. I'm waving at him.
waving at him, not looking.
I just kind of eased onto the left thinking I was like on the paint still.
You know, I knew I was past the opening, but I figured I was still on the paint.
He goes, and by the time I figured out where I was, it was way too late.
But to his credit, he said he was going to be there this morning helping those guys tear that thing apart.
So hopefully he showed up.
Send pitches.
Yeah, we want to see him.
If you work over there at a house factory team and he wasn't there, let us know.
We will bash him mercilessly.
But, yeah, Sam's a good kid.
And that was, I mean, what a teammate.
I'm just going ahead and wreck your stuff just to congratulate your buddy.
That was a nice one.
They can use the winnings from the double zero.
A lot of people don't realize.
Still not enough.
A lot of people don't realize how wrecked that car is.
Like, he blew the nose off.
I'm like, no, he probably threw the flunk clip off.
Oh, my Lord.
I bet it hurt.
Yeah.
I said to him, I said, please tell me you still had like your belts and shit on.
You know, and he's like, oh, yeah.
He goes, thank God I was still fully strapped in.
The Hans was tested.
I was waiting for the 97 yesterday.
twice.
Oh,
did the same thing.
To do this.
And when he went,
he,
the first time,
he went past us,
he was still going
on 30 mile an hour.
And I was like,
he's going to hit one
of those divids.
That some bitch is going to go
evil caneeval.
Yeah.
And it never happened.
He cleared the quarter mile.
And then,
like,
he jumped the quarter mile.
Eight laps later,
he's back in five.
I'm like,
how did he end up there?
And he had he had.
I'm like,
he just swinging
to get him.
I mean,
I was waiting for a wheel of his to catch.
Yeah.
Just barrel.
It was good.
He was lucky twice.
Yeah.
I did see the guy that tore his ACL playing poker.
That was pretty impressive.
How do you manage that?
He won the hand, and he started jumping around celebrating his buddies and tore his ACO.
Oh, shit.
I mean, he was fucked up.
He's hopping around.
I said, I tweeted earlier day that was something that I could see Denny doing.
That's a very Denny move.
Oh.
Locked up.
Was it an ACL or a cram?
Oh, no.
He tore his ACL.
For real?
For real.
I mean, to be fair, the guy just won $6.6 million.
Was it $6.6 million?
I think that was like the pot probably of fake chips.
That's not fake.
Well, no, that, like, a tournament chip is not real.
Like, you're playing for $2 million, but you have $20 million in chips probably in front of you.
What does McDowell's car say?
What is that?
Whoa.
Did you get behind McDowell?
Don't bust your knuckles, bust your nuts.
Wow.
Okay.
I feel like these new marketing campaigns are taking a little.
They get a little edgy.
Yeah.
You wouldn't put that on your car.
No, I mean, I'll do whatever.
You know, put whatever on the car.
Don't bust your knuckles, bust your nuts.
That's going on the list for sure.
Chris Wright strikes again.
Let's see this.
Was that in relation to like a sponsor?
Blast or?
Yeah.
Okay.
Penetrate oil.
Tommy, he's in the 81, by the way, in case you hadn't noticed.
Oh.
Oh, no, that wasn't his fault.
That was the 13 turned down into him.
It looked like, back that up.
He got a little loose.
He got a little loose.
No, watch.
He gets a little loose.
Right there.
Right there.
shoot up the track. The 13s in his right rear, though.
Because he got loose. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, he was
holding him. He was holding him a little bit.
I don't know that. I don't know that I put a lot of... I think it was both
there. I don't, it was not Chris. He, please
remove Chris Wright from the shit show. Yeah, he's not shit show.
Yeah, that actually... Chris Wright, we are here to tell you,
we are not mad at you this week.
Not this week. We got bigger fish to fry.
What we got here? Big tumble. I didn't see this.
Oh, oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, Lord.
Yard sale. That's not a good day.
That is...
These guys are all still racing down there?
That's a terrible...
Yeah, there's Florida, bud.
We're racing.
We started now.
It's a terrible racetrack.
Have we done a good job of compiling this week's winners?
I got a handful of them.
We'll get to that at the end.
I'm excited about this next one.
Oh, boy.
What is this?
Do you see this right?
Oh.
What is he doing?
This guy put a chainsaw through his TV.
When USA beat Canada and hockey football is metal.
It just sawed his TV in half.
Yeah.
Talk about a shit show.
Maybe what's his name, skating around with his teeth blown out of his head,
which would be a shit show, Jack Hughes.
That's American, man.
Like, that guy, I mean, take a stick to the face,
crack your teeth in half and then go score the old time winner.
I don't even think he ever came out.
I mean, he changed.
He got off the ice when it happened because he, you know,
no, he just handed it in his teeth and kept going.
He went to the bench to change, like, change lines,
and then went right back on his next shift and never missed a beat.
The announcer was like,
His teeth are all cracked at half.
What are you going to do at that point?
What are you going to do, man?
He's going to get him a nice new set of pearly white.
I hope that he gets a gold tooth.
That would be fucking awesome.
What a little puck on it.
Yeah.
Dude, that would be awesome.
86 gold tooth.
Yeah.
That was awesome, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, shout out to the USA hockey team, both of the men's and the women's.
Both bringing home gold.
That was, I mean, an unbelievable.
game to watch. I woke up, was ready to go. I mean, the only unfortunate part about that game was
it was Sunday morning and I had to work afterwards, so I couldn't like crack at 8 a.m.
to like watch that. The New York bars, they, she allowed them to open up at 6 a.m. with liquor, so
I bet it was a shit show up there. That's fun. Then with the snow coming.
Not the New York's ever a shit show ever. And the first, first men's gold since Miracle on Ice,
right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's awesome. Freddie, moving forward, we're going to link these in the YouTube
description too. So people can go look at them there. Oh, perfect. Oh, cool.
Excellent. I know you guys have all been asking for us, so that's great that they will be linked in the YouTube comment so you can check them out there. I know like some of the we can't show you. Like, you know, some of the cup stuff on live on the podcast we can't show because we're not allowed.
All right. Time for Ask DBC. Actually, I had this question earlier. Have you ever actually called into reaction theater? I know we said last year. He's not going to. He's not going to say. We said last year that you were going to. And I hope we wondered if you ever did. You'll never know. Maybe one day I'll tell you if I have.
or not.
Yeah.
When like the statute of limitations is up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When he's retired.
Yeah, exactly.
Next one is less of a question, more of a demand in quotations.
Their words, not mine.
They need the mustache care routine, please.
Is that?
Is that one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I have little scissors.
I trim it up.
Try to make it.
It gets a little long.
It curls into my mouth.
That's when I know I have to trim it a little bit.
You know, when you get, you sometimes get strays.
and you just
chew them off
yeah
anybody who has
longer mustache
he's hanging out
with this Lima too much
Lima
anybody knows
isn't that a country
yeah
if you get too long
and you don't have your stuff with you
just
just bite off a little bit
he's starting to turn into a damn farm out
yeah
have we
have we started to curl it at all
were you going to get away with that
no I mean that's too much
when they do get the
the curly flies.
You put the oils and shit in it?
I put a little, like, it's like beard butter,
just to where they don't get super, you know,
it's just like everything, hair and stuff.
I mean, you put something in your beer?
Right, yeah.
It's just like a butter, yeah.
He puts some beer, beer in there.
It's about it.
Beer butter.
Yeah.
I will say, though, it's a pain to eat shit.
Especially if it's long, like wings are a disaster.
I'm a big pasta guy, too, pasta sucks.
Like Alfredo.
It must get us, like, outweighing all this, or what?
I live with it, yeah.
I like it.
I like it too much.
It's a flavor saver, man.
Gianna's good with it?
She's the reason I have it.
Yeah.
Because I do the...
You don't got to go to details.
When I shave my beard...
Pause.
When I shave my beard off, I go, like, a week.
I'll do, like, funny looks.
Like, button chops, like a goatee and, like, sole patch and stuff like that.
And I got handlebar, and then I got to this.
And she was like, well, that actually looks fairly deep.
I was like, okay, I'll keep it.
How about your other boss?
Yeah, you've kind of changed the old Penske way, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he, I think he likes it.
He hasn't.
He hasn't said he doesn't like it.
He hasn't said he doesn't like it.
I know he's been overseas for a while, but has he even seen it?
He has.
Yeah, yeah.
He's seen it.
It was funny, though, because when Joey and I walked in the shop, like a month ago.
One bald guy and one guy with a mustache.
Well, so, like, we go in for Penske Production Day, like, you know, a few weeks before the season, and then when we do all our photos, and I got this.
Joey went, shaved, but he also's got the scruff.
And he and I both saw each other, we're like, we're in this together, dude.
Yeah, I'm like, we are in it together.
It's perfect.
Oh, I love that.
All right, DVC picks.
I won.
And if I recall, you guys gave me hell of shit for picking Chase Briscoe.
No, we didn't.
We gave you shit not because it was a bad pick.
It was because it was a bad pick for that race.
Apparently it wasn't.
You won, so that's good for you.
Results don't lie.
All right, where are we going, Coda?
Dead ass last again.
We're going Coda.
I was last place?
No, I was again.
Oh, Tommy.
Sorry, Tommy.
Did you pick me for Daytona or Atlanta?
Daytona.
Oh, well, sorry again.
You should know better than that.
I was hoping that you would snap out of it.
Yeah.
What page are you on, Tom?
I'm trying to get.
Let's see, this isn't hard.
SVJ.
I'll take...
I'll go right down to the switch,
and I'll take old...
What do you call him?
Zillowich.
Zillich.
Dang.
You're leaving us no options here.
What are we supposed to pick at this point?
Buck, you got the...
Blaney, you go.
I'll take Christopher Bell.
Good pick.
Yeah.
He was really... Did he win there last year?
He won last year.
Shit.
I'm gonna go with...
Jimmy Johnson.
Yeah.
Is Jimmy running?
No.
Oh, okay.
He's retired.
I really don't know.
After next year.
Again.
I really don't know.
You noticed.
This is hard.
You can pick anybody you want, but you're going to lose.
Cole Custer.
It doesn't matter this week.
Oh, that's fucked up.
I mean, that you're throwing Cole into the bus.
Like, he's got no shot?
No, no.
I'm just saying, like, I just say, like,
I can take a wild pick.
Did I see Jimmy Johnson is crew chiefing?
Dario Frankiti.
He is.
They're trying to be like Dale and Connor.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Is that this weekend?
St. Pete is this weekend.
Nice.
What's he driving?
What team?
He's driving?
No.
Is it a Tricon truck?
Maybe I think it's the one Trichon truck.
I think it is.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Cool, cool, cool.
What else we got?
Winners?
Tommy, you got winners?
You got any?
No.
That's good.
Good job.
Good job compiling your weekend winners list.
Obviously, shout out Tyler Redick.
I almost said Cammy Creed.
Sheldon Creed.
No, shout out to Cammy, too.
Sure, there you go.
McKee Kid won.
Who the hell?
One of the truck.
Oh, Kyle, won the truck race, duh.
You said Tristan McKee won at Cordial?
I know, I think I saw Nick Hoffman won this weekend.
Mark Tunney won the big figure eight races down in Florida.
I saw that.
He's the guy that always wins, right?
He's a guy from Indy.
He wins a lot of that three-hour stuff in Indy.
And that was really good.
I didn't seem like there was much racing going on this weekend.
Obviously, it's still early in a year, and it was fucking freezing, by the way, in Atlanta this week.
Holy shit.
On the roof was miserable.
But, yeah, I think that, unless you got some winners, any more winners?
I did.
Oh, shit.
News that dropped this morning, Keelan Harvick has been signed by Toyota.
Oh.
For a long-term driver development deal.
I did not have that one on my bingo card.
I did not see that one coming.
I thought it was going to be Hendrick Motorsports.
Yeah.
I cannot believe that it hasn't happened.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what?
The kid deserves it, man.
Yeah.
That kid's really good.
He is good.
I went to whatever, I think we talked about it here before, but I went to, I think it was
Florence.
Where did I go last year?
Florence, cars to a race.
He qualifies on the pole.
Misses the shift.
Whatever he is, 13 years old, 14 years old.
Misses the shift.
Goes back to six.
And I'm like, oh, man, this kid's going to blow up.
You know, like, I feel like every kid in that situation is just like, I got to get right
to the lead now.
Yeah.
And he didn't move.
He just one of the 10.
time methodically worked his way back up there, won the race.
And I was like, that was super impressive.
Where were they running at where him and Kevin were going at it?
It looked like Kern.
Oh, that was that Kerr.
That was awesome.
And I saw Kevin, like, the next week, we had a photo shoot together.
And I was like, well, Keelan thought he could get away with some stuff because it was
dad.
He was pushing around.
He's like, yeah, that shit wasn't happening.
So let me ask you something because I deal with it.
And I understand, it's, you know, you see him race and you see him all due to
things on the weekends and stuff. And I know you probably dealt with it with your dad, right?
The stuff, the conversations that happen at home, right? The little things that your dad might
have said to you to, like if he misses a shift and goes back to six, right? I mean, how valuable
is that to have a dad or somebody with that much experience that kind of knows and kind of just
gives you little tidbits? Well, that's the one thing that my dad did to me that I always liked.
you know, he would give me those little pieces of information, you know, hey, you should think of it this way, that way.
I think this way's right. And then he would just let me go figure it out. Yeah. Like, so he would kind of open the door a little bit, but then I had to walk through it and I had to figure it out on my own. And if I wasn't doing it the right way, he would kind of correct me quickly to get me back on the right path. So, I mean, that's super valuable, you know, and, you know, I had it with my dad. Keelan has it with his dad. Um, you know, a lot of, you know, drivers and sons are their kids, I think,
hopefully have that relationship.
So I always enjoyed that.
I mean, my dad was not a sugarcoat type of person.
No.
My dad was, if I was messing up, it was like.
Kevin's not that way with Keelan either.
Yeah, it's like, do it right or you're going to keep screwing up.
And this is, if you want to keep screwing up, great.
But my dad was always a get ahead of it type kind of guy.
Like if he saw him be doing the wrong things.
Yeah.
That's super important.
Carson, where can you see Keelan race majority of the year?
You can see Keelan race a majority of the year on Flow Sports.
And you can get 15% off through our little.
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Thanks, Freddie. I got a great Keelan story.
So it made me feel old.
So, you know, it's a weird thing to me because I
was at driver intro stage with my dad. Kevin was there, right?
Like, when I was seven, eight years old.
And then when Keelan was that age, I was racing with Kevin.
And I saw it. So it was like a out-of-body experience, right?
And now I see Keelan. He's, I don't know, what is he?
13. I think he's 14. 14 now.
And, like, you know, he's late models and stuff like that and doing great.
And, like, before too long, he's going to be, oh, yeah, racing with me.
Like, I got to race with Kevin, so it's blowing my mind.
But, like, we were at a Panthers game.
And I don't think it was the playoff game.
It was the one before that.
And we're in our little area, and Kevin's there and stuff like that.
And these fans are hollering over the thing.
Keelan, can you sign?
Can you sign?
And Kevin and I are standing there like, fuck us, right?
So I got a picture of Keelan, like, handing this hat back to a guy.
I was like, yeah, it's coming.
New wave, man.
It's pretty cool.
Ryan, we appreciate you joining us as always.
I'll probably drag you back in here at some point before the end of the season.
Carson, we go on cars tour racing?
We are finally going cars to racing this weekend at Southern National.
I'm very much looking forward to it.
Smart tour race.
Where's that?
Florence.
That'd be fun.
Both boys racing, right, Jack?
Are they both full-time?
Smart tour?
Yeah.
So that'll be fun.
Jack got a new sponsor.
or something.
Stoke shoes, man.
Carlyle did at all.
Yeah.
That's a different look.
I'm so used to that car
looking the same way
for its entirety.
Once it ever has a different
paint scheme,
like the yellow really threw me off
in Smyrna.
And then now that one,
I haven't seen it in person yet.
Yeah.
We haven't either.
You haven't wrapped it yet?
It's just a design.
It gets wrapped tomorrow night.
Before we do leave,
I did want to give some thoughts out
to Timmy Fidoa.
His dad Butch passed away this week,
unfortunately.
Timmy's maybe one of my better friends
up on the roof there.
He's just maybe one of the nicest guys up on the roof, and he deals with Ryan on a regular basis, so that's tough.
And also, Tara Dugger, her dad passed away this week, but he's Fars.
So just shout out to them, guys, we're thinking about you.
And we will be back next week.
Thanks for listening.
We're out.
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