Door Bumper Clear - Tommy Gives Hocevar An A+ & Rajah Caruth Talks Path To The Playoffs

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

The DBC gang is back in studio again today after an early Monday morning finish to a thrilling Cup race in Atlanta. Karsyn Elledge, Tommy Baldwin, and Eric Brennan are joined by JR Motorsports wheelman Rajah Caruth to talk through all the headlines from Trucks at Lime Rock to Cup at Hot-lanta. Rajah dives into what his season’s been like split between the No. 88 and No. 32, his chances at making The Chase, and what it’s like having Dale Jr himself come over the radio and give him some advice in the middle of the race. Tommy finally has nothing egregious to say about Carson Hocevar’s driving after The Hurricane scored another Top-5 finish after nearly winning the Cup race. Karsyn explains how she wishes the JR Motorsports drivers had worked closer together at the end of the O’Reilly race, but Allgaier still got them the beer toast anyway. In Spot On, Spot Off, we cover:  Did Hocevar not get a push because of his attitude? The Bubba Wallace below-the-line penalty... Was worn-out Atlanta the cause for the O'Reilly chaos? Does Rajah Caruth think he's making the NOAPS Chase? Should NASCAR always have some form of practice? Plus, does NASCAR need practice at drafting tracks? And could we see a new rules package for the Cup Series as soon as Daytona next month? Reaction Theatre, Ask DBC, and S*** Show Hall of Fame wrap up another fantastic episode. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Bov. Is this the first time you've read the fucking sheet all year? A bird's shit on my head. That is what reaction theater is for. Getting hammers and calling in. What did they speak? Go. I don't know.

Wax and Crescent. It's going to be gripped up. Absolutely. These two idiots. Bubba did not do shit, unfortunately. Period. Period. Welcome back to door bumper clear, everyone.

I am not Freddie Kraft. And I did not spot for Bubba Wallace. or Dean Thompson or whoever this weekend. Joined by our gracious old boomer, Tommy. How was your weekend? You sleepy this morning? A little bit, a little bit. I don't, I think Freddy's coming back next week.

Is he? And I don't think you're going to recognize him. I just don't understand how he's allowed to spot and talk on the weekends, but he doesn't want to come talk to us on Monday. He's allowed 150 words right now. Oh, he's not going to word count? He forgot to speak on the last lap. I'm sure.

We'll get into that and BS. Oh, he's yelling from the question. corner now. Oh, you can't talk Freddie right now. Shreddy, you already used up two of your words for today. Eric, you were in the booth this weekend. Yep. Had a blast. Yeah. Yeah. Lime Rock. Yes. That place is awesome.

And, you know, I got to talk to a lot of the people who really, I mean, they worked really hard to make that race happen. And weather was absolute ass the week before where they had like 70 mile an hour winds. All the roads are blocked getting out of the track and they got volunteers. They got the place cleaned up and it looked gorgeous this weekend.

truck race a little while, but we'll get in that later. But fun. Fun. All right. I'm excited about our guest today. I know we'll have a lot to talk about with him. I'm excited to hear his perspectives from this weekend, too. Rajah Kruith.

How are you this morning? Good. Thank you for having me on. Fresh off the comp meeting. Is there any good tea from that this morning? Actually, no, we were all kind of kumbaya. That's good. Good.

Unlike you are on the racetrack. So that's good. We're all pretty good this weekend for the most part. Until it counted. It wasn't one of, we didn't wreck each other. That was a thing this. weekend. I think I've been a decent influence. I need to be in that meeting. I want to show you guys some film. All right. Let's go. Let's get this started.

I get into it. BS truck race. I, you were really, you were the one on site. Why was it? Well, that's just the open. We're BS segment. We're bullshit and through the beginning and then. Work with us, Roger. I'm learning. This is the least professional podcast he's been on so far. So we got to, he's not used to it. So the thing about the truck race, when they ran at Lime. Have you ever run Lime Rock? Yeah, last year. It's pretty fun. It's, it's tough to pass, and that's what they say. Although Mike Joy and Parker-Clearman will try to sell you on there's other passing zones, but really it's turn one. And because of that, and because it's a standalone, they have the non-competitive pit stops.

Well, last year, the only cautions they have were to stage breaks, so there was no chance of strategy. This year, we had a little bit more chaos, so it did allow for the fuel to get shuffled up, because once they got in the fuel window towards the end, there was about 11 trucks that took a shot, stopped early, and then cycled up to the front, and it kicked Honeycutt and Riggs the stage winners back. So we actually had a good bit of drama, and that continued over to where, like, the teammate issues weren't only at Atlanta this weekend. I mean, Honeycutt and Geo got into it with a few laps to go. And I think it looked to me like Honeycutt just took out his frustration and got Geo back. I mean, he didn't get a runoff for a race chart, though. Oh, yeah, Geo ran them

all the way out to the grass, which that's another thing I love about Lime Rock. There's no runoff, which that's how all there's no track yeah well that shows you're gonna end up in a runoff I mean it's only two lanes self-enforcing track limits but that was pretty dramatic and then the ARCA winner on Friday in unziata well he was caught up in a big wreck on the front stretch

with Landon Lewis who ended up finishing second and then under caution the thing catches fire blew an oil line and a pretty scary moment because they took Thomas out of there in the helicopter but he got released from the hospital and he's okay but that was wild I've never seen that happen under yellow like that do you what is your take

on the non-competitive pit stops first, is it give you guys up in the booth a lot of time to prepare? Because back when the truck racing started, that's how it was. When they were going, when their trucks were going all the short tracks, the Flemington's, you know,

out west to Colorado and all that's evergreen, what all those tracks that they used to go to, they, that's how they were. But they spent so much time during that segment to talk to the drivers, to talk to the crew chiefs. What do you feel about that? you know, on your side. Before you answer that, can you just give a brief, like,

explanation, like, when it comes to non-competitive pit stop, because we don't see them super often throughout the year, like for just those that are listening that might not know, you know, what exactly it entails? It's similar to what they do in ARCA with the race breaks, which it's all a cost-saving measure so that we don't have to pay or lease pit crews, essentially. On the non-competitive side, you could pit under any caution,

but you have a maximum amount of time that you have to, or it's actually a minimum amount of time that you have to be on pit road. It's 55 seconds. So it. can't gain or lose positions on pit road. Correct. Gotcha. You're snowball derby's like that now, right?

Same thing. Same thing. Yeah, it's like a time. I mean, they were flying cup crews down. You know, so now the problem is for the road courses, like for a standalone road course race, that typically removes a lot of the strategy that creates the jumble and, you know, you have your fast truck. Yeah.

So I was worried that we were just going to copy paste last year's race. But because of all the extra yellows, you know, that changed. For the short track stuff, my ultimate goal is for trucks to go back to being what it was back in the day, where it's that perfect liaison between the short track world and a national touring series. And if that's what it takes to go back to some of those short tracks, you know, or go to like Kevin Harvick's current raceway or some of these other places that don't have a top three national series, I think that would work perfectly, like when they had the halftime breaks. I think that's a great idea, especially for, obviously we've talked about the fairgrounds,

hopefully coming back for a while, but I would think it would be great if there was a weekend of where trucks and ARCA were at the fairgrounds with the cars tour or Car Store Pro LaMalle Race and then O'Reilly and Cup are at the big track. I think the non-competitive stops are fun because I remember going to Milwaukee in 2023 maybe, or maybe not Milwaukee, but a couple races. You are eight at the time, right? Don't, I'm a little older now, but it's fun like my crew chief would be going and jacking the car up and engineer going over the wall and stuff like that.

It's cool having like your mechanics, like your shop guys going to the racetrack and going over the wall because a lot of them, especially that truck race, were on the cup teams years ago doing that same thing. So I think there are a lot of benefits to doing that. And like you mentioned,

and you mentioned Tommy, I think from all sides of the spectrum, it's a good benefit for truck racing to have that. Cost, cost, expenses. I want to give a shout out to Landon Lewis too. I think we see it, like, For somebody who has limited amount of, you know, starts this year, you would probably see a lot of people go in there and do that last last lap a little bit differently than he did. Well, and to add to that, how many times did people criticize Landon for his level of aggressiveness in the late model stock side with us in the cars?

24-7. And, I mean, Landon, you know, we've told the story before after what happened at Hickory, which that was for 30 grand. I would wreck a lot of people for $30,000. That was for $50. That was for $50. That was for $50. That was. Yeah.

Actually, the $30,000 went to you guys. because of the pro late model. Yeah, Luke and Spencer went out of. So, you know, he canceled, he had a jet skiing trip plan that week. And he canceled that trip to stay in a KHA shop and put those cars back together. And as you said, he's only got this last stretch run of truck races to hopefully prove himself enough to get more national opportunities next year. If I had to bet on it, and I spoke to Landon last week, I would have said he's going to take that shot. Yeah.

And he didn't. And I think he gained a lot of fans. And Grant Endfinger, Alabama short track racer, gets a first round. in the air on a road force. So props to him. After he almost went out into the parking lot in practice, he cut down a left front tire coming off that downhill right-hander and went straight off into the grass and somehow kept it off the barrier.

So he went from almost ruining his entire day at 9 a.m. to win in the race at about 3 p.m. Yeah, Grant always seems to get himself in the right positions at the end. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't rush, right? Do you ever see Grant rushing? No, but he's always there. He's one of those ones that you don't see or hear much about,

and then all of a sudden, you're like, holy shit, where do Grand In Finger come from? Yeah, I'm a huge Grand Infinger fan. My first year in trucks, I was his rookie, Daniel and I were his rookies at GMS. And it was the year that they were switching to Toyota on the legacy side and GMS shut down operations. And he was a great teammate to me with whether it was Sim time, learning from them, doing speedway races with them. And then even not being teammates through that, but being with him in the YIS program in Chevrolet, a great guy. and like you mentioned, like not flashy, but super smart, methodical. He actually reached out to me after Dover earlier this year,

just with how all that weekend went down to just being a friend and a teammate. And, you know, I'm a big, big Grandin Finger fan. And on the Landon Lewis note, I think it's more, it only helps his stock that he didn't go and wholesale it and wipe him out for a win because, sure, you would have a win on paper, but the way that he... The press, he would not even press, just the response from like everyone would have been 10 times different. That goes a lot further running second that way than, you know,

wholesaling it and taking yourself out for the win. And he did go from outside of the truck chase standings. They're taking top 10. He jumped up to 9th. And then Jake Garcia was running top 10 late. He got spun on the last lap. He's now 17 points out. So they got four races to go to land and Grant hopefully put himself in a good spot.

Lots, honestly, to talk about going into the O'Reilly race. Rajah, you had the bird's eye view. Talk a little bit about your race, though, on Saturday. and just how the day was for you. Yeah, I think when Atlanta first got repaved, my first truck races were the first year that it was repaved, so I just missed old Atlanta. And at that time, it was like, oh, man, none of the drivers liked it.

It was just they don't want it to be another Daytona Talladega. And now it's probably one of the best races on our calendar with the rules packages and how dynamic the race is. I enjoyed it a lot because it's the mix of a plate. race and handling. And it was crazy how spread out we got in the second stage of the O'Reilly race. It looked like an old nationwide series race at the old Daytona. But I had a lot of fun in the race. We were in great position. I mean, I was up front. We were up front leading a little bit and got shuffled out. And then we were right back in line on the top, the second or third

car on the top before we all got wiped out. That's how it goes. So when it comes to driving that Junior Motorsports 88, as opposed to the Jordan Anderson racing number 32, What are some of the differences that you experience in preparing for a race? You know, debriefing after a race? Like, what are some of the differences that you're noticing between the two organizations? Yeah, I think that as I've gone into the year, it's been quite a few differences. I think, obviously, with JRM and the Hendricks support and then Jordan Anderson with the RCR support. And even that's different, like the levels that the, you know, the Jordan Anderson organization gets from RCR is not the same that, you know,

JRM will have with Hendrick and with all the teams involved over here. So it's really just assessing, like, mentally knowing what I'm getting into each week and knowing, you know, where it is. I think I made mistakes. What about stress level, though? Like, you said something mental. Do you get into 32 ago? Oh, for sure.

Yeah, that's a, I was about to get to that. Like, I was, I feel like in my race is in the 32, for the most part, I spun at Texas by myself. But otherwise, I've done everything I needed, I could get out of racing that car. for, you know, its performance and on part with other cars. Like, I've gotten everything out of it. But when I've been in the 88, some of the races, I think about, you know, Tal'Daga, Rockingham, Martinsville, Dover, obviously. I pushed and pressed because I was like, man, I need to go and maximize this day.

And pressing the button isn't maximizing the day, you know, just running my race and is maximizing the day. And I bring up Dover again because, I mean, for me, like, that was a home race. And, you know, I wanted that one really bad. and I was like, man, I got to take advantage of this, and that wasn't the right thing to do at that time. But since that race and that moment, I really realized it doesn't change what I do behind the wheel of the car.

Like, I'm doing the same thing when I'm in the 88 and the 32. It just I finish depending on what car I'm in. But it's definitely a mental challenge just assessing the goals on a weekly basis of what we're in. And I've been super thankful to run both cars, just so I can stay in the points. And, you know, we're right on the cups of it. I've got one more racing in the 32 to try to maintain

and hopefully not really lose anything. And then we'll go, try to get back into it in Iowa and then Daytona. What's your average finish between the two cars, like with the 32 and then the 88? I'm not sure, actually. I think my best finish in the 32 has been probably eighth or seventh, but it's been on average 15th to 20th. And then in the 38, you know, I've had some top tens, obviously. and then the road courses didn't go great for me this year.

And I don't know. I guess most of my top tens I've been in the 88 so far this year. Yeah, but I bet if you do your averages, a thought process of what you started this conversation about. I bet the 32 is pretty close to the average of the 88 because of your mental. Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, I guess I'd have to look at that.

But yeah, I'd say not far off. I think it's probably pretty close, but yeah, it's been hard, I'd say, going back and forth. It's not, I got to give a huge props to, like, Brent Cruz, like missing four races and then hopping in and being, like, you know, in front of most of his teammates right there in the mix, like that, you know, huge kudos for that, you know, being four races down. And that same vein, like I said, I feel really good about my chances moving forward. just got to have a not lose much at Indy and then we'll go race at Iowa and Daytona like we did last or a couple nights ago at Atlanta. We've had a lot of conversations about the metric impact in qualifying order or even with like O'Reilly Pitt selection being kind of a factor of how you did the week prior. Tommy, the 41 team

with Sam Mayer, they said they trimmed the car out in qualifying so aggressively because they had pit selection at Indy in mind. Wait, seriously? To have good pets. That's what they said. Didn't work out for him. as soon as he got back in traffic, they wrecked. How do you balance that risk-vers-reward from the race you're running to what's up ahead and the impact it all kind of has on each other?

Yeah, and that's my problem in all three series. I hate that you get penalized for the week before, you know, because the next week has nothing to do with the week before. But now it does. It's just like, I don't know. Like you touch on it. It works on a couple strategies of the, to do something different.

But now you're taking your focus away of the race that you're racing and you're worried about the next race. You know, it's, I don't know, man. I'm a big proponent of just, let's just worry about that race and find something better for when you show up what you have to do. You know, everyone claims that the expensive practice of trying to get that PR lap to do the order of qualifying. is there, but I think with the restrictions of the time limit and the restrictions of having the

tires, if we tried it, I don't, I think everyone would go, hmm, that wasn't really that bad. And oh, by the way, this is probably where everyone deserves to be because of speed and how you are that day, that for that weekend, you know, so. Do you think in, and because trucks in, in Raleigh, they set the pit picks, like you mentioned, off of the previous week's qualifying. Whereas in Cubs, they just do it right after you guys qualify. Yeah, exactly. Do you think, I'm sure there's reasons, right?

But in my mind, like you mentioned, Tommy, it makes sense that that weekend, whether you did good or bad, that'll determine where you pick. Because obviously, there's go-or-go-homeers most of time, especially for the closer races. And then I can understand, right, when there's not qualifying, it gets rained out, then you have to do the metric. But then, I mean, what's the balance? I know metric includes. Who gets rained out at you. We used to do it by points. Right.

And again, it was deserved because you worked all year to get to that point. It started with COVID when we started having to do everything on the phone, right, to pick. And that's the only time we could do it because we couldn't get in a room together. So that was the best option they came. With the O'Reilly's and the truck series, they do it now because of time constraints, right? Officials, where they are, what they're doing. But, man, come on, take 15 minutes. Let's pick pits.

Let's get everyone where there's just too much. You know, with the metric, even with the cup stuff, it's just, man, just make it simple, man. You know, where you are in practice is reverse it and go out and qualify and how you qualify, you pick pits. It's just, I don't know. It's more simple than it was because I think when I first started, it was a little bit more complicated with, like, the group sections and stuff like that. And now with how practice is, it's like easier to digest, especially with the speedway. It's just when it's two rounds and then, you know, one group for most of the mile and a halfs for us. us for 50 minutes.

Like, it's definitely made a little bit more simple than it was. But, I mean, I didn't even, I didn't get the, I mean, the three practices, an hour, hour and a half weeks. Nobody is, right? None of the kids are, you know, and it's just, and I'm under completely understand. Most of the stuff is made up, not the pit selection, not the metric, but the practice segments and how to it works out. It's all because of TV, right?

It's all because of commercials, when they can throw the commercials in, how they can break it up, what they can talk about, fully understand that. we used to do it. There's a lot to talk about during practice. And, you know, oh, you know, Raja jumps to the top of the board. I mean, you don't have that anymore, right? You don't, you just don't, I don't know, I think we can do a better job even for you guys, right? During practice to talk about, you know, what is it to talk about?

Right now, once the cars go out, the first five, six laps, the time's set. Well, the cost argument, too, is interesting because we all know, like, if you cut cost in one place, Everyone just finds somewhere else to spend that money. I mean, they don't sit there and put that back in savings or put it back in the checking account. They just find other ways to allocate that dollar. So fuck it. I say, why can't we practice?

Thanks. Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Before we move on to the cup race, Raj, I did want to ask you, what's it like, you know, at the end stages of that race, all of a sudden Dale comes over your radio and is giving you advice. Like, what's that like? That's cool.

That's so cool. I mean, the stuff we talk about is great, because I obviously have a background in sim racing, and he is one of the OG sim racers. My spotter, Josh Williams, I race, says, I race for a long time. My crew chief Marty irises. So, I mean, he can even see?

Why do you say that, Marty? To I race? He's old, man. Oh, he's a shoe, man. Oh, my gosh. You see him? Oh, man. I mean, he puts on his little glasses.

That's exactly. On the tip of his nose. Oh, man. No, I love him. Marty and I think um it's great I mean having that relationship with the I've had been fortunate to have some great owners that are that you know around and present and care and uh I think it's been a blessing to be around Dale and um even races that it hasn't been a plate race he'll just he'll he's there whether he's on the radio or not and it's good to know that he's obviously paying attention and

invested and um I'll bring up Dover again I think that was a tough mistake that I made and having a a team owner and a person that's invested and involved in your future and your career to have your back and know how to move forward of it from it. It means a lot. And it was fun this weekend going through it. There's a couple moves that I second guessed. And then watching the cup race, he literally was like, man, there's, when you get in those moments in the end of the race, you can't second guess those moves. You just got to go off instinct. I was like, man, I know. It's like he was talking yesterday. But it's so cool. It's so cool. And, and, I mean, I don't want to make you feel old, Tommy.

But I remember watching all you guys grow up as I was a kid on the Speed Channel and NASCAR now. And to be involved, you know, in this sport is really a dream because I have that enthusiasm for the sport and, you know, watched all this stuff as a kid. So it's super cool. Before we move on to the cup race, Tommy, I don't want to put you on the spot, Raja. But what about that four wide move that Jordan Anderson made? Where was he going? Where the fuck was he going? I don't know.

I don't know. Lost his roadmap. I know that those races are big opportunities for Jordan, and he's been so close to win in a truck race. And obviously he wants to win an O'Reilly race for his team as well. But, man, as Denny said, usually the last one didn't cause it. That kind of fits here, too. Yeah.

It's unfortunate. Wrecked a lot of cars and wrecked his own. I mean, he's got a budget, man. Yeah. Yeah, it's when you put yourself in that position and at that late in the race, they're not going to move over, right, Roger? They're not going to give you as much room as they did at lap 5 or lap 20. That's a tough spot to be in or put yourself in.

I think that, like you mentioned, Tommy, like everybody's got to run, but you have a choice if you want to take it or not. And if you want to come out the end of the corner, and there's some moves that you can make of, like, where you know you'll make it, but then you'll screw the other guys. And even there's some moves where it's a risk of 50-50,

30, 70, right? And that was, you know, obviously, I mean, I heard Jordan on the radio and stuff probably wouldn't have done that again. But we've all had moments like that. So it was a pretty big wreck, though. I think that was even a tough spot, like with the 19 being on the top. I mean, the higher lanes get pretty, pretty dirty, especially with those cautions. And it kind of was 10 pounds of stuff in a five-gallon bucket.

Or is that the saying? 10 pounds of shit and a 5-pound bag. I think that's what they say. Is that what they say? I'm not a, I'm a city kid, so I'll see that over for it. Speaking of teams on a budget, Brennan Poole, Alpha Prime, they were really close to pulling off a bit of an upset story. I know that actually Tommy Joe Martens was on Gluck's Thursday podcast

to talk about his independent film underfunded. I haven't had a chance to see it yet. But even if you haven't seen the short film yet, the interview he did with Gluck, he really went into great detail about what it's like for his types of organizations to have to make decisions between people who could put you in the spot that Brennan did on Saturday versus people who you got to make sure the check clears and pay your small batch of employees. So invite everyone to check that out. And man, Brennan's been so close

so many times. He's a good racer, man. I mean, Brennan, he gets a lot out of this stuff. And they do a really good job on the business side with their sponsors. And, you know, they work hard every day. And, you know, it's the same thing is kind of, I'm not going to say the same. the experience at that point, I think if you look, you review that once he got the lead and once he got in a place with those guys that were there, the experience of them being in that position, I think, took over. It's easy to get caught up in the moment. It just, it went to a complete shit show in a matter of seconds as soon as they got there.

And they just got. It seemed like they panicked, right, Rajad. They just weren't in that position. I think so. Like, holy shit, we're going to win this race. before thinking of, you know... It's so easy to do that, though. It's so easy to do that.

And I'm a big fan of Tommy. I made my first O'Reilly series starts for Alpha Prime Racing. And with Frank Kerr, that's the crew chief for Brendan. And it's so easy to get caught up in the lights in that moment of like, hey, we're in the position. We got one lap to go, like, looking in the mirror. And it's easy to get caught up in that. And a lot of us have done that, not even on the last lap of the race. And it's easy to lose focus on what's the next thing.

you got to do well, the next thing you have to execute. That led you to get into that spot. And yeah, tough to see that. Obviously, they were in a great position, but it didn't work out. But, you know, Brennan Scrappy, LeVar Scrappy, you know, they're, as we all know, they're fighting with not very many tools, unfortunately. But when they have races where they're in the position, they're, you know, able to get solid finishes and definitely wouldn't be surprised to see them in position again later this year. Yeah. By the way, I'll go our one again.

So another toast for you all. Just in case you guys forgot. She flying off the car for laps. I thought he was wrecked. I was out for the last two laps. So I'm like biting my nails. I'm like, whatever that is,

that's scraping that better. I'm like tire going down. Like, what is it? I literally thought he was wrecked because him and the 21 got together in front of me off of four. And the 21 like had him squared up the whole front stretch. I'm like,

he's not, he's not surviving the next corner. Almost didn't. And we passed him and I thought it was wrecked. Fucking Austin Hill. And then three laps later, I got wrecked. And then I saw him pass me by.

I'm like, oh, he's fine. And then he won the race. I got to say thank you to, I didn't reach out to him yet, but I got to say thank you to Austin the next time I'm around him because I came up into the middle off of four with probably four or five laps to go. And I kind of wanted to end up there because I wanted to get in front of the top, but Carson was already there, so I can't like hang it right. Then I was like, okay, I just got to deal with being in the middle.

And he could have split me four, but he just squared me up and we went. And it obviously saved both of us, right, because we were at. able to surge forward and survive for the next corner. So that was good because it was kind of common sense in that moment. I think some people, and I've done it before where you just stick your nose in there because you see daylight and then none of us survive. And he gave us both of a chance. So that was, you know, thanks to him for that.

He must have used all his goodwill for the race in that one spot because he didn't have any leftover a couple laps later. Jesus. Hi, y'all. This Jerome and Tiff Davis. Our new weekly podcast is out now on Dirty Mo Rodeo's YouTube channel and podcast platforms. With new episodes every Thursday, leave us a comment and a review and come see what this cowboy life is all about. Hope y'all come and check us out.

Until next time, adios. All right, cup race. My favorite part was obviously Rudy Fugel ripping a new one on the radio. I walked outside to let the dog out and came back inside to them arguing on the team. I'm like, should we give them a better? You and Ward ever have a blow up like that before? That one last night wasn't, ain't shit compared to what we used to do. But on the same type of topic, you know.

Yeah, I mean, it gets frustrating because as a crew chief, you know, he probably made an adjustment on that pit stop and it just, you know, just didn't work out. And you're sitting there on the box more aggravated than the driver because you made a change that didn't work, right? and all the tools. And it's like, so you're aggravated, then he gets aggravated, then you become more aggravated, and then it's on.

You know, it's, what priests say, don't push the button? What's the T-shirts he's selling? Just don't push the button. The biggest wreck of the night was on the back straightaway when Larson was pretty much middle three wide. And I guess I didn't hear any of the spotter radio. I don't know if he was told that there was still a card who was outside, but he kept coming up and took out brisco.

So I guess Chase is happy that he's got a win in the play. pocket because that ended his night. But I heard Hamlin kind of talking about that too, that, you know, just it got tight there. And he said, not clear. And off they went. Those things looked hard to handle last night. I think for, I mean, the second, like I mentioned earlier, we were all spread out like an old plate race. And we have, you know, our cars are different, obviously on Saturdays. And that was so easy, I think, to have that happen where, um, especially off of two with how narrow the track is and being in dirty air and stuff, those things probably weren't handling great.

And I look at all the in cars and stuff like that. And it's crazy seeing guys dumping throttle, spiking the brake pedal, like what they're doing with their steering traces, just trying to make sure that, you know, they don't get in bad arrow spots because we're the, obviously the engines are watered down for the restrictor plates, but or for the, you know, rules package. But, I mean, we're still going 170 in the middle of corners

and the runs are so huge. So they don't handle very good in traffic. And it's, I'm surprised more wrecks like that didn't happen. with how it kind of narrows up on the exit of the corners. So if the five car doesn't get spun the caution before, probably none of that happens because he came from last to get himself in that position. He was driving, he had fresher tires, obviously, at that point.

I don't know if that made much of a difference. I think it did because it did on Saturday. Yeah, well, your tire is a little bit different. Fair. Fair point. But he was driving like a madman to get back to the front. And he was coming. And I think he was probably being a little bit more aggressive than he wanted to because he had to come from the back. And I think that's probably the end result right there.

You know, watching it from up top, just watching what he was doing. So, Tommy, on that note, you know, Reddick started 31st, and in the first stage drove up to second spot, I think, was the highest. Yeah, but what's... Yeah, because he, if you look, he waited. He waited for about eight laps, seven, eight laps, then he went, right? He let the field spread out a little bit, yeah.

Get comfortable a little bit, and then he was gone. I mean, oh, God, I'm going to say it, but. Uh-oh. Huscavana. That kid deserves an A-plus for this week. I'm sorry, I'm going to give. Pick a fucking lane, Tommy. Last week, you're like,

right? I know, but look, man. I'm excited to watch. Just the shit that was thrown out of him all week, right? and then doing the t-shirt stuff. He stands there with a shit collecting magnet on him. I know, but then he... That's the show.

That's being the show. He goes to the back, and I'm watching him, like, man, that thing's going through the corners, but I don't have SMT up top, and I'm like, he's just letting off down straightaway. Is he going to do... Because the last race, he did it like three, four times. He went to the back, went to the front.

And I went over and asked the spot, and I'm like, what are you guys doing? You know, he's like, we gave ourselves a lap and we're going to call a race car, you know, I think he said a race, a number of a race car driver, and we've been battling whether I say Richard Petty or Jimmy Johnson, it's time to go.

And they're like, no, let's do Jimmy Johnson. So 48 laps to go, he said Jimmy Johnson, and Josefar just carved through the field. And not, everyone was aggressive, but not overly aggressive, didn't put him, and I just watched them just, he was I don't know if TV watched that

but it was I give him an A plus for this week I hate to say it I know everyone's gonna but when you deserve you Flowers flowers So much fun to watch I mean my

my rookie year in trucks It was his last year in trucks And I had like a couple moments Where I like had speed And ran around him And Zane and Coreyheim Obviously And man

So fast So fast. And the thing that he's really good about and, you know, being teammates with him a little bit last year in the Spire Trucks was that like how aware he is of where he's putting himself and always thinking about the next move. And to be on the ball that much every second of every lap like that is, it's so exciting to watch. Hard to race against, obviously. But I got to respect it because he's one of those guys. It doesn't matter who it is that it's going to be racing on 10 every time. but I respect it, right?

Because, I mean... We're not going to talk about him anymore, but... Oh, dang. We have a few more... Oh, we got to talk about him. We got more stuff in here. But the fans, and again, they jump and down when he took the lead every time, and it's just like, this kid's not going away.

I understand fans. I know he's not going away, I know, but I'm going to give him... Are you a Hosevar hater? No, no, not at all. I just don't... It doesn't matter if it's Hosefar or you or what. whatever. If you're going to do dumb shit, we're going to talk about. I see. Fair. But, yeah, he just, he did a good job, man.

Tommy has it fixes everything. Has Atlanta become like how Daytona, and, you know, really Daytona was back in the early 2000s where you have to balance whether you want to go for trimming your car out for speed versus high down force for better handling and traffic? Is this the best example of that that we have now? I think it's getting to that point for sure. I mean, the first couple of cautions, the adjustments that were being made on Pittsburgh. rode for probably 10 to 15 cars were not ordinary adjustments you would do during a race. They were adjusting the heights in the front to change the arrow platform. And it comes down to when they raced last, right, in the cold weather, right?

What did we race in February? Yeah. The next six months of aging of the track and the heat and everything, and it just caught some people off guard. And I think everybody was really nervous if we got rained out last night. We were going to run it today because it would have changed everything. And you would have seen some guys that were really good last night, race today, and they would not have been that good.

I mean, you even noticed that from the start of the race to when you guys went back green. Like cars that were good and qualified up front went backwards. I mean, guys were going to lap down at, I mean, at a plate race on speed. and you almost never see that. Yeah. I think you mentioned, or you guys both mentioned, right, compensating what's the balance

between down force and speed. It's interesting because, I mean, Justin didn't qualify very good, but in five laps on Saturday, I look up in the mirror, and Josh is like seven's inside, inside. I'm like, dang, man. Obviously, they had that more,

you know, if you don't qualify, good in those races. But you can overshoot it, though. Yeah, you can. You can overshoot it. And we did, a couple cars did for the weekend, But to our point before, I think it's getting, Atlanta's getting to the point that we probably need a practice now. Right?

It's getting war out enough that it's not a Daytona, Talladega, we feel good about because the handling is really never going to change at those places right now. You think they're going to open the engine rules at Atlanta? For us? Or just, period, at any point. I don't know. I don't, I'm not any in any other conversations. yet. Well, I am soon, but...

What he means is he's not at liberty to discuss. No, no. But I think it's yesterday, with all the things that happen, I think it's probably, it is time that I'm hoping that it's time that week. And it's like, well, we don't want to practice in the draft. We don't have to, really. I mean, you can go out there by yourself, get your heights set, feel your balance a little bit, know what you got,

and probably be even better racing. Yeah, and that's why. car appeared to have that perfect balance where he had the single car speed and then also was the best in traffic. Yeah, he had to one time with the bad pit stop. He had to work his butt off to try to get back to the front. And he was struggling a little bit, especially on the bottom. It wouldn't roll as good on the bottom as obviously as it did when it was leading. He was stuck for a little bit. And for that bad pit stop, for them guys to have a really good pit stop the next time and get him to fourth.

It got him in cleaner air and got him to get back to taking advantage of everybody and doing what he need to be done. But that car was strong. It was the strongest car all night. I mean, what? He led 170-something lapsed and he maximized his points except for one, right? Cody Ware got the fastest lap of the race. Oh, yeah.

You didn't commentate too much then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. One more note on that last lap. We'll talk about Bob in a moment. But Zane Smith crashing off turn two. Pretty good hit. NASCAR held the yellow. I thought it was the right call.

Let him race it out to the finish. You know, Raja, your thoughts? So I went to bed. Okay, well, in that case. I woke up in the middle of night and saw the finish and then I went to sleep. So I think as long as it's the same thing, mostly every time, then I'm cool with it, right? Like, there's going to be anomalies every now and then, right? If somebody you can tell maybe somebody's hurt or will need help, right?

like that's a time where a caution needs to be thrown. But otherwise, of the tracks clear, obviously, you know, that's been the president for the last couple years, I think, and there hasn't been really any, you know, inconsistencies. And as long as it's the same thing each time, then I think it's all good. Yeah, good call. Also this week, after what we saw at Chicago,

no penalties, you know, for the Zane Smith, Carson Hosevar incident, also for the SVG, Austin Hill incident. And we saw a return of one of those hauler conversations between SVG and NASCAR and Austin Hill and NASCAR. car and I've never been called to the show. They're not fun. I was going to say, let you know about a holler talk, Tommy. Me? They used to be a little bit, I would say, probably more intense back in years ago than they probably are now. Back in back when we used to

get in trouble, it was only a couple people in there. Now you got a little committee of talking about things and trying to sort things out. But I don't think we have all the cliff notes on the Austin Hill SVG conversations from, you know, I think some more words were spoken. But I think at the end of the day, they both understand now moving forward what needs to be done. I mean, are they going to back off from each other? No. Will they back off from everything that they're doing on the track?

Probably not. I mean, SVG did an awesome job last night again, man. He was aggressive, right? He was doing what he did, top 10, right? Another big sim racer, man. Come on. SVG? Oh, yeah.

He is? I think that was what sparked a lot of his interest to want to come try NASCAR. Yeah, we did running all that stuff. We did a lot of league races around COVID and stuff. And then a little bit after, I don't think, I don't know if that's really what sparked it. But there was this Monday Night League that I ran in, Alfredo ran in, Corey Heim ran in. And then Jane would be in it too, and it was kind of fun.

Like, it'd be cool track combos, like super late models at Michigan and stuff like that, just random combos. But it'd be a lot of fun. The hauler conversations are not fun. I've unfortunately had a couple of those in my career so far because as a young driver, it's always... Hold on. Did you go in with Bono once? Actually, no. No.

I was on good behavior most of last year. But most, most. But it's tough as a young driver, right? because we've all raced with the same people for the most part for quite a few years now. And it's always a balance, right, of what you feel like is needed to stand your ground or where you feel like you need to stand your ground versus taking the high road and just letting stuff go. And obviously we're all human, right? We all have emotions. And you can get in the heat of the moment, heat of the battle and maybe do things that you would wouldn't do if you had the chance to do it again.

But yeah, those conversations aren't always fun. You're kind of just like, yes, sir. and just take it and move forward. I wasn't like that. I wasn't yes sir. I can't believe that. That's really shocking

that you didn't just let them reprimand you, Tommy. Even though there was evidently not enough intent to penalize, there was enough of something for them to have some conversation and we'll see how it goes from this point forward for them. When NASCAR comes back to Charlotte in October,

they're going to have a celebration of life for Kyle Bush. That's going to be Friday, October 9th at the Speedway after the truck series race. I think it's a great spot. for it, you know, right here in the backyard of all the teams. So it is going to be open to the fans as well. And, you know, the truck race is back on the Oval. So I expect that race to be pretty exciting as well that afternoon. And then the focus will shift to honoring the two-time Cup champion. So that came out this past week. And also the Goodwood Festival of Speed. They had some vintage NASCAR race cars, which that's been really cool between LaMaw, Goodwood. It's nice to see a lot of those cars come off of showroom floors or out of museums and see some people have some fun with them. and play with them and bring them back to life again.

So that was also pretty neat to see. You know what I would like to see, Eric? I'd like to see, you know how, you know, we have all these trophies named after people, right, in all the sports. We have a couple of them. But I would love to see the championship trophy, like the truck championship trophy named after Kyle Bush, right? I love that.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I would love to, like, cap off, you know, like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's, I mean, I mean, I. I think over the, it's crazy because I know I mentioned a couple of shows ago, you know, after he passed, but we used to, everyone used to get so aggravated, even the fans would boom, you know, with his bow after the race, right?

Now it's probably going to end up being one of the most iconic celebrations that will last forever, right, with the short track world and all the things, you know, that I'm sure when you get out, that you're going to do the same thing when you win. So, yeah, I mean, it's huge. and we should be celebrating his life and his, you know, everything he's accomplished in our sport because he's done a lot for a lot of people. He's done a lot for the sport. So, yeah, it's going to be great.

Yeah, Samantha's been very active on Instagram, kind of sharing some of the stories and the amount of support and the appreciation for all the support, which is going to continue to be there. And our hearts continue to be with them. And, you know, looking forward to having a visual optic as to how appreciates, and loved Kyle was by probably more people than you could even imagine. Just think about how it was at the 600 this year, just in the small little stuff that they did. I can't imagine what it's going to look like in October.

Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right, moving into a little spot-on, spot off. We're going to start with talking about Tommy's favorite first. A host of our's attitude towards competitors leaves him with no help coming to the checkered flag.

Spot on, spot off. Do you, would Tommy, would you like to? I didn't see that. Spot off. Spot off. Spot off. Good job. Normally I just start running that trap.

I just starts running his mouth. I didn't see that. I just thought it was, you know, hard racing. No, I didn't see that. I was spot off. Spot off. He didn't see it. Yeah, I didn't see that. So I'll say spot on.

And, you know, it is unique because Bell ended up behind Blaney. So that's a Toyota pushing a Ford. Obviously, Josevar is a Chevy. So that's the same type of problem there. And then Bubba was kind of by his lonesome. Bell was really the one who could figure out who he wanted to go with. At that point, he selected Blaney. I know Bell and Hosevar have had some run-ins before.

I saw a few times where Carson was making moves, which granted, to your point, Tommy, He was making moves that he was pulling off, even by himself with enough of a run. But I saw more than just one handful of times where people seemingly consciously elected not to go with them. And, you know, we talk about racing etiquette and ethicacies and how it's hard to pay somebody back. And it's hard to wreck someone without either hurting yourself or making it blaringly obvious. But apparently if you don't talk about it, you're fine. But either way, how do you get someone back for that?

You race them super hard or you leave him hanging when they need help. And I think there were several examples of that. It's probably going to be more evident when we get to Daytona. But I did see some indication of that just from watching on TV. But I know. You say all that. I disagree. Blah, blah, blah.

But he still finished third. Yes, but the 20 car picked Blaney. That gave him the best chance to win the race. Yes, that was the best line to come off two and draft into three. It's, if he chooses the other guys, he ends up getting bogged down when you get into three. And the 20 car doesn't end up second. He ends up fourth because of the momentum. He picked that line because all night, that was the line with the draft that would take off and go.

So everyone can have their own opinion. But that's the real reason why he, I mean, look, they tried multiple times of sending Blaney getting him because he was the best car. I mean, they tried, and he would always end up back up front. So I think that was probably the 20's best shot of pushing him past and then having a clear line to dive to the bottom and do what he did. I mean, you know, the 23 went three wide at that time, right? So that kind of bustled every. That wasn't, what was the 23 going to do?

Follow the 77? No, he knew he couldn't do that because still wasn't going to end up in the right position and with Blaney and the 20 car on the outside, they would have got dogs. So he went to the bottom, slowed it down, and the rest of his history with the momentum, I think. Raja, how hard is that to kind of, even throughout your career, what's that experience been like for you

trying to gain the trust of those around you and getting them to help you when it does come to those moments? Yeah, I think it's like you're always doing things to put, your first priority is put yourself in the best position possible. And then from then forward, you kind of can decide, all right, well, maybe I'm on the offense here, right, or just trying to bide my time, and then maybe I can cut somebody a break. You know, I was doing that earlier in the race on Saturday because, hey, if I start hanging guys right rears and sending them to the back, they're not going to

want to, you know, work with me later in the race, right? And it's always a balance because it's the time of day in the race, who it is, the dynamics of you guys have history, how the personal relationship is, all that factors into where you go. So I'm spot off for this because, like you you're just at that point you're doing all that you can to put yourself in the best chance to win and if you put yourself in the middle with no momentum because if you ran the middle behind the 77 with how they were off of two i mean you're not going anywhere you're going to run seventh or six right like you're putting yourself in the best position to go and win the race and and like you mentioned the 20 that was their his best shot was to go get in line on top and hope they fanned out and spread out and he could just feel the middle Bubba's move was great.

It just all didn't work out. Like, you're just going to push the other guy by, right? And just right in line? I mean, you got to do what's best for you in that situation. So I don't think it was ever, like you mentioned, Eric, if it was at Daytona and Talladega where it's more defined of, you know, lanes and, okay, I'm going to push this guy forward. I'm going to work with this teammate or this manufacturer teammate.

That's a little bit more glaring. But with how high the intensity is, how narrow the racetrack is, you're just putting yourself in the best slot car lane and hoping that you end up in the right spot coming out of turn four. And Eric, the biggest thing that we could take away from that is what would have happened if the 23 ended up causing a wreck and ended up winning after the penalty?

Like, oh, my God. We'd be talking about a whole other situation, right? He, you know, hands up, you know, obviously House of ours aggressive, right? So that would have probably jumbled up a lot of different topics today, right? So, yeah, I don't, I just think it was all the right lane. I mean, look, Christopher Bell is pretty smart race code driver. He knows where to put himself to win a race. One last thing, I was happy to see that despite the difference in manufacturers, Bell was still pushing because it wasn't that long ago that we were talking about, you know, other manufacturers

lifting. If there was a three-wide move and they were told, all right, there's a Toyota, Bubba, all the way on the inside, don't push this forward to the wind. It sounds like none of that happened. You can't say that stuff on the radio anymore. But, you know, Parker Retzloff got such a hard time for the Harrison Burton Daytona win a few years ago because that was a Chevy pushing a forward. But it gave themselves the best chance to win. Yeah. But I'm happy that it didn't turn into an OEM story at the end of the race.

It's just a good finish. How do you know? I don't, but I'm trying to be optimistic. Meetings are, yeah. Just coming fresh off the meetings. Before we moved to the next one, too, just did want to touch on their internet beef. Eric, I've been seen a lot of their interviews. And Carson and Zane Smith.

have had some beef in the media recently. And they think, I mean, it sounds like... Props to them both for sticking with it. I like it. So say, A plus, man, for the entertainment. I mean, look, let's... You need the rivalries. Yeah, I mean, let's fuck with him on here.

Let's let him fuck with everybody out there. Let's just get everybody riled up and let's get the fans engaged, man. Come on. The keyboards warrior is. Yes. Zane's kept his foot on the gas. And I, you know, just don't really like him as a person. And he's reiterated it.

said it again, said it again, and Carson went on the pre-race yesterday and doubled down on everything that he's done and I'm here for it. I'd rather them stick to who they are and what they're doing and what they stand for than to panic and try to do an about-face, you know, just to maybe salvage a few things.

I think the world is, in the corporate world, is finally starting to figure out, hey. It's healing. We like this. Personalityities are fun. Hey, we don't want to deal with the keyboard warriors talking crap and think we're going to not be able to sell our products.

Oh, wait, we're selling more products now because of this. Oh, here we are. We're back to the past and rivalies and people arguing and fighting. Let's do it. And then Carson, I think it was Sunday morning, what was it, the first 77 fans who turned in another driver's shirt? Did he have a picture of all the shirts that were turned in? Was there ever like a final follow-up on, did he get 77? I saw for sure.

I saw on the pre-race, there was probably 100 people outside of their, their, their merch hauler. I mean, that's cool. That's cool. If race car driving doesn't work out, he'll be damn good at marketing. Oh, yeah. He can be an internet personality

just fine. All right. Number two, Bubba Wallet. I'm glad actually Freddie's not here to sit here and he can't defend himself via microphone. He can't talk. He has to do it from the corner over there.

Bubba Wallace penalized for advancing his position on the final lap. Spot on, spot off. Eric. Man, that was a bummer. Rajah, go ahead if you want to. Um, I mean, spot off because, I mean, obviously, Bubba's one of my good friends and it's helped me out a lot of my career. And that was, that was tough to see. And he, like, tried to give the spot back. I think it just, that's a tough spot.

I think, obviously, for, for not only the 23 team to be in, but NASCAR as well, because he technically didn't get, he didn't pass anybody, but you, the rule is advancing your position. And does that mean, like, going from third to second? or does that mean like advancing your position in reference to another car, right? Like what does that totally mean? I think if I was in that position, because he didn't even want to end up down there, right? Like you look at the steering traces and all that stuff. Like it was hard changing lanes. Even in our race on Saturday, you couldn't change lanes, you know, probably wide open on the strato like that without having moments.

And it was probably just circumstance that they ended up down there. But I don't know. If I was in that spot, I think, or anybody, if you had to do that, again, right? You maybe just try to sell it more of like trying to give the spot back because he was obviously trying to, and you can hear it on the in cars and the telemetry that he was trying to clearly not gain an advantage. But I think that was tough. Tough. You know, listening to, I try to listen to Denny's podcast on the following Thursdays on the plane, you know, and he talks a lot about the breaking it down on with the SMT and all that.

I think it's getting to the point that they are going to start needing somebody up there. that really knows how to break that down quick. Just get, it needs to be a former driver, though. Yes, to assess these penalties a little bit different. You know, I think it's getting to the point now that, um, you can't just look at it. Um, you can't, you have enough data like you just said. You look at the telemetry and all the things to show that he wasn't trying to end up down there. I wasn't trying to advance.

I mean, so, I mean, I think with all the technology and, and resources that a sanctioning body like NASCAR has, they have the ability to look at those things a little closer and should. Yeah. I hate the rule. And I've hated it for a while. And it's been in place for 25 years. Obvious reasons why I was put in place initially.

You mentioned consistency. I feel like this, along with the lock and bumpers thing we had in trucks in O'Reilly for so long, was never consistently able to be officiated. I saw people pulling clips from this year where drivers dip two wheels below the line did not get called. In this case, Bubba, he left skid marks behind him because he was out of control. If you watch the replay, you'll see that he was laying rubber down trying to catch that

thing. According to SMT, he applied 250 pounds of brake pressure in turn 3. That's what Freddie just said. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. But I'd rather see the rule just go away and give it back to the drivers for a little bit and say, hey, if you could manage this and don't do something incredibly

stupid, you know, like, you know, bring it on the apron and three at Daytona next time. You know. K.K. would never work. Come on. I'll disagree about that. I think you can't, it can't be a area because then it's going to be pushed and then it will have a, you know, somebody's racist gray areas, Eric. So here's the other thing.

Well, then did they take the current rule and then just further define what advancing technically means? I would say that, yeah, because technically you could say doesn't mean being like looking at the camera of like my nose is in front of their car or getting further alongside them because. Yeah. Because with Lava, it was he went from behind the 77 to kind of like alongside of him. I don't think you fully.

Yeah. I think again, as a. driver, right? If you seen that and you did that, the next time, what would you do? Would you really lift and take your penalty, right, and finish sixth or seventh or eighth rather than figuring out you're going to finish 29th? You know, there's a great possibility you're going to finish 29th. So, again, there's a couple ways to look at. I think we need to dig in it a little bit deeper with the technology that we have to definitely see what the problem was, why he ended up down there quickly.

And number two, then it's driver going, oh, shit, all they're going to penalize me, I hell with it, you know, step on a break a little bit, but I'm not going to step on to break enough to lose my chances of winning because that's what happened. I don't care of shit what Freddie sent, you. But he was still in position off of four. The possibility is a win in that race, right? So driver. But it's tough, too, because...

You want to win. But the thing is like, okay, especially on Sundays, everybody's good enough to like, you can even make things look a little bit more dramatic. Not in this situation, but in other spots, you can probably make things a little bit more dramatic than it actually is. And there's also the conversation of like there's maybe somebody didn't intend to do something, but the rule is still broke, right? So that's always a conversation as well. I don't think that's necessarily applicable to this situation. But there's, it's tough because, right, there's. It's a situation.

you could run into. Yeah. And you could, for all intents and purposes, not want to do something, but if you still make the mistake or break the rule, so to speak, then, I mean, it's a rule. If I'm the judge, right, I would go, well, you put yourself in that position by trying to make that quick move. You got the car loose, right? Is that what NASCAR is saying?

Well, you caused that, right? The car didn't get loose on its own. Right, it wasn't a, someone else contacting you to induce that. Right. It got loose because you were trying to get down to the bottom. quickly and it broke sideways. So yes, it was your fault to start with. So, I mean, that's their reasoning. But that's the explanations they probably need to give, right, breaking down the data. Like, you know, the car didn't do it by itself. It did it by your wheel input,

turning to the left too quickly, right? So there's a lot of ways to look at it. It's, it sucks for Bubba, right? Because he drove his ass off, right? I mean, Freddie could only say a couple words of a lap. So Bubba really did do all that himself, right? He, I mean, I still hate the rule, by the way. You still hate the rule? Listen, I fucking hate a rulebook, period. I've been in the cars store recently. I don't want to talk about specifying rules and specifying advancing.

And it's, I do not envy NASCAR's position at all. But I do think with the amount of resources, like I said, and data that they have, there's no reason to me that they can't look at that stuff a lot faster and figure out. I mean, you have ways. I mean, who's to say that they didn't. And they just, you know, that's, yeah. Well, I think TV also didn't really give them much of a choice. because Dale immediately said it was a penalty

as soon as it happened. That's true. So in the call. You also have that. But I mean, yeah, like you said, who's to know what they really probably, there's things they probably do in that tower that we? They do a lot, man.

People don't realize how much. You don't realize. Oh, yeah. Not only is it there. It's in the command center and Concord. I mean, there are so many things that they do. And quickly, I mean, I'm not dissing them of how it's done. It's just like I'm trying to give the people that are listening the things that we're capable of doing, right, of things that are going on.

So it's a lot, man. There's a lot of people involved of calling these races. It's tough. I mean, you look at every professional sport, right, which I'd say it's probably more prevalent in other sports where there's maybe a missed call, obviously watching a World Cup or the NBA Finals a couple months ago. It's tough because nobody really says anything of like, oh, it's a good call. Like, they didn't miss that.

But if it's a bad call, especially, like, clear, then it's like the whole world is melting down. So it's tough. You never get a high five for making a good call, I promise. Depends on which side you're on. Fair enough, fair enough. All right, worn out Atlanta surface produces a wild O'Reilly race. Spot on, spot off.

Spot on, what race hasn't been wild for O'Reilly's this year? I like the way you spelled it. It's spelled like wild protein chips. Yeah, I was going to say that. You like the ranch? I'm the salt vinegar. Where do you see all? What?

Put your glasses on. You're making front of Marty and you're doing the same thing. That was a happy typo. That was, that was an accident? Hey, thank you. I loved it. I didn't even notice it because that's how I spell. Yeah, I mean, what race hasn't been a good, crazy O'Reilly's race?

Everyone this year. Right. They're always good. Yeah, so, I mean, let's just, it's the package, man. It doesn't matter what track. It doesn't matter. It's a great package. Good racing.

End of the story. I agree. I mean, I thought we. They tore up a lot of stuff, which stinks. But, I mean, every week, every single week, it's awesome. I mean, even Indy, like, was it last year that two years ago when Herb's won? I mean, Indy was one of those places where, like, I want them to go back to IRP so badly. RP is so much fun.

Yeah, and I'm so happy the trucks run there. And I was one of the people who's like, man, they shouldn't be at the big track. There's no way. And then even the races at India have been unbelievable with this car and with this package. So, like, it's just a magic formula. I hope it never goes away. I know there was some talk, and Tommy Joe mentioned this,

talking to Gluck last week, too, that, you know, there's been a lot of ideas as to what the long-term runway of O'Reilly looks like. They got it. Just figure out a way to stick with this

and keep it that way because it's awesome. Yeah, spot on. I think the great thing about the O'Reilly series, I mean, a lot of the rules have been the same for seven years,

right? And there's been little different tweaks, right, just to, whether it's been skew changes or, you know, hardware changes and things like that. but the meat and potatoes of it all has really stayed the same for a while.

And it hasn't been really signed out. And it's just quintessential racing. I think that's what Parker Cligerman says. It's got a lot of big words. Yeah. But I've enjoyed even, I've been tongue hanging out for running for 20 second and still having a good time. Obviously not being 22nd, but driving the cars and whatnot, it's great because, I mean, you have options. the horsepower is comparable to the downforce, the tires where at most cases,

the tracks are able to widen out because of that. I think the O'Reilly race at IRP would be a lot of fun, though. I've enjoyed truck racing there and ARCA racing there over the years, and it'd be a fun race on that surface. What would you think about one at North Wilkesboro? That'd be great, but I saw somebody did a rookie test there, I think last week or something in an O'Reilly car. It would be fun. I think Wilkesboro will be put on a great show with these cars, with the horsepower. That track winds out. It's the same pavement, I think, as Rockingham, and probably would be the same tire. I mean, you saw how dynamic Rockingham was for us. So I would expect Wilkesboro to be the same, especially if they made it a summer date. So that'd be great if that actually happened next year. That would be cool. Selfishly, though, if O'Reilly gets a North Wilkesboro date, does that mean car store can't fit in on that weekend anymore? We'll make it work. We'll be racing on Tuesday.

Maybe we'll go back to Wednesday. Speed Week at North Wilkesboro. That's what it needs to be. I was getting ready to say that. Wilkesboro is the perfect place to have modifies, the late model. I mean, just start racing on Tuesday, right? Get these people engaged. And I know I've said before, well, people don't want to do that.

But this is a different area for that, right? This is, you know, this, you can't expect that at IRP. But this is the hub, right? These are all the, the Bowman Grand fans. These are all the, like, the, the, like, the, short-track little culture that we have around here, right? I'm pissed that the modifiers aren't running this week, right? It's just, I think it's just, I know we, we dropped off about 3,000 pounds of speedy dry last year.

I know. I know. But I think it would be a great, I mean, shit, they do it up north of Ohio Speedway, Pennsylvania Speed Week. Well, and now you don't have, you know, with the All-Star Race moving around, you don't have that week in Charlotte anymore. Exactly. So there's an opportunity here to get fans of this area, do the shop tours, then go up to the racetrack every night, see different types of cars racing. And I mean, really, the hardest part is just the logistics of making sure you got enough garage space for everyone. You can figure that out.

You just time out who's running when. If I had a perfect, if I had the autonomy or the authority to make a schedule, I'd have the All-Star race in Bowman Gray. And then I'd have like maybe two weekends or two dates of Wilkesboro where maybe not two cup race. races, but, you know, there's the cup race or a rally race, the truck race. You mentioned, right, all the logistics of moving haulers, you know, gear, TV stuff, all that stuff, right? Those logistics can be annoying, obviously. But I'd have it aware there would be the two weeks of Charlotte in May and then having it again in the fall where you have your truck race at one point in the year, you're a rally race at one point of the year, car store stuff at one point, though,

modify stuff at one point. And so everybody's getting their fair share of experience and is not oversaturated because there's just one cup race. I think that would be pretty cool to see how it would work out. And then you'd still, with the schedule, right, you'd still have your mile and a halfs throughout the summer. You'd still have in the bookends of the year. It'd be all kind of happy go lucky, I guess. Let's do happy go lucky this week, Eric.

We're going to try it. Happy go lucky. I hope Wilkesboro is happy. I hope it goes happy go lucky for me. Okay, moving right along. Number four, Rajah Karuth will make the O'Reilly series playoff. Spot on, spot off. Spot on. Spot on.

I mean, of course, this weekend, right, the Gibbs guys all had issues, and we had a pretty, pretty stellar night until the end of the race. But, man, I've mentioned kind of the learning curve I've had this year. And really since Dover, I feel like I've hit a good stride of just having solid runs and maximizing the car I've been in. So I don't, I'm not changing up anything on my end. Indie's going to be a question mark, right, with my last race in the 32. but I know we'll give a good effort and see what we got there. And I know I can go run up front at Iowa and Daytona and no reason why I can't be in the chase. I've been really enjoying the plate racing in Iowa.

I know they were really good last year and I know what I'm capable of behind the wheels. So at the same time, all the guys I'm around are really good. They've been with their guys for the whole season, except for Brent obviously missing four races at the start of the season. But yeah, I'm confident with the cars that I'll be getting out of this shot for Iowa and Daytona that I can go. and be in the top 12 and maybe a spot or two better, and then we'll go race in the chase. Let's do it, Roger. Come on. Let's do it. Yep. Relax. I'm going to add on to that. I've been relaxed.

I've been relaxed. I'll say spot on as well, not just because I like you. But looking at this from, you know, an analytic perspective, who has to come out for you to get back in? Taylor Gray and that team have had some really odd mistakes this year, running out of gas on the last lap at Sonoma, the wreck, obviously, last week. So right now you're 17 points behind Taylor. You mentioned Brent, and yes, it's impressive. that he's been able to do so much.

But some of those tracks like Indy is going to be really tough for him. And there's, I think there's a chance there. I don't think it'll be that tough, though. Nothing's going to be tough for Brent. Yeah, I love Brent. I know, but nothing's going to be. I wouldn't even look at Brent as, like Roger said, the focal point needs to be Sam Mayer and Taylor Gray at this point.

I mean, you know, Sam, they make him mistakes. Mayer was going to be my next point for the same reason. So I wouldn't even. He doesn't let me. people get to their points very often before he starts shit in on him. I thought I broke it up. I thought I weed my way in there nice. But we've seen drivers like Reddick and Bell

when they were running O'Reilly. You know, late restarts, tightly packed, coming off two, big wrecks. I mean, I'm kind of looking at Indy as like the last wild car between now and the chase cutoff. And Daytona. Yeah, well, Daytona is before the chase, right?

So you have that too, which that's another new facet of racing for Brent, which, you know, you have a good bit more drafting track experience there as well. And it was showing this weekend up until you got swept up in something that wasn't your own fault. So, again, not just because I like you, but also just performance-wise, I think there's a really good shot here. It's tough because the points were, and Dale told us all this at the start of the year. And I wish I could go back in time and like take back like one thing I did wrong early in the year because I could count on my hand the mistakes, on one hand the

mistakes I made this year. But all the little points that accumulated from those spots would have completely changed this whole conversation. But I think that's the really cool thing about having points, the point style would be this because I remember watching the chase growing up and how important it was for guys to come back out and get points, right? And that was even without stage points. The stage points are a big deal now. Even if you can, any chance you can flip to get points you can,

and it'll carry you for if you have a bad result. So I've been a fan of the point system. for this year. It's been a fun to be a part of. And yeah, none of these guys are slouchers. All of them can win. They're all really good. All of them. Brent will win soon, obviously, hopefully I know that I will win soon. Sam, Taylor, William, they've all won and they're all really good. So it'll be overall who doesn't make mistakes. That'll be who makes the top 12. And I know we're talking about all these top teams and stuff, but again, another shout out to Viking Motorsports. Yeah, that's a, they did a great job with their, with their help from our CR, obviously. And

Parker does a great job. I've known Parker a long time. And from Arka racing together, I racing together, I think he's super capable. And I know he, I believe he'll get some great, better opportunities moving forward, especially after this year. And he's deserving because he's maximized being in that car and the resources that they've gotten. Okay, so we did touch on this a little bit earlier. Last spot on, spot off.

NASCAR should have at least one short practice at every event. Eric? Spot on for two reasons. One, Tommy touched on some of this, but I remember the first time I went to a race track. It was Pocono in 2000, and we drove through the tunnel and turned two to the infield, and the cars were going around. And as a 10-year-old kid, that was the greatest experience of my life, seeing it for the first time. There being something going out at the track, nothing is worse than going to a short track,

a NASCAR track, any race track, and it being silent when you get there. To get to the track with something being on the racetrack is it just gets the juices flowing right away. the other element is from the competition side. Bob Pac-Pock was kind of touched on this last week about changes for Daytona. I heard a little bit more this past weekend as to what some of that might be, and it seems like it's going to be a bit of a big swing for the most part. And even some of the drivers that I talk to floating that out there is like, they're still not going to give us a practice.

Like I can't get 30 minutes to figure this out for the first time in this type of setup, which may be closer to like the intermediate package that they've been running. So if that's true, I think drivers and teams deserve a chance to do that before they line them up and go race, especially talking about Chase Standings, points. Give them a shot. Did I miss something that canceling the January thing? Well, before the upcoming race Daytona. Oh, they're talking about a pretty big arrow change. Oh, man, that'll be fun to watch. That'll be so fun to watch. Yeah, we're not driving it, Eric. Let's do it, right?

I mean, from my point, it's great. We're not driving. But yes, I think it's good to have a practice. I mean, even, I think that you mentioned for, especially in trucks and O'Reilly, there's the guys that are going to places for the first time. And there's been a couple times this year where we've had two sets of tires for practice. And I think that's been great. Because we all use like the key partner teams, the high-end teams and teams at each level, we all have great tools with our manufacturers, right, to go and use our Sims and be super prepared going to the racetrack. But it's fun to go in practice and try a shock that you.

A B in the sim and see if it works in real life or maybe a rear spring package or different things that otherwise you would just run in your SIM files and then decide, you know, what you'll take to the racetrack. I think there's a benefit there. And it's not three practices over the course of a weekend where you're buying four sets of extra sets of tires and you've got your qualifying engines and your race engines and, you know, things that, you know, you're chasing PR laps and then you'll have to pull up a backup car, right? I don't think, I think there's a happy medium, and we're probably getting closer to where that is.

DBC fans, it's time to read. All right. It's time for reaction theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. And I'm excited to see what they had to say about Atlanta. See what they, see what they hear? What do you say? Hear what they have to say? I'm excited to see what they had to say.

Whatever. Let's hear it. Come on. Let's go. I wish I wasn't hearing your voice in right here right now. I'm so fucking sick of you this. morning. I'm tired. Roger, did you know Dr. Phil is a JRM pen?

Dr. Phil here. Yeah, why can't we get the J.R.M cars to run together? I mean, God damn. I'm trying, Phil. Me and Robert talked about this. This is like a beaver trying to sign up to be a security guard for a deer. You're just making moves and don't make any fucking sense, okay?

I just can't take it anymore. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. I was waiting for the we'll be right back. Oh, that's hilarious. That was great. Yeah, hi, I'm looking for Fritty. I'm calling from the bookstore. Those kind books you've ordered for Bubba have come in. Hopefully they'll help them stay between the lines.

Just let come on and pick them up. Oh my God. I'm using that. That was a good one. How about Blaney, dropping his fucking dick out and just waxing the ass? There's going to be some fireball drunk today.

Everybody get your toasters out of the bathtub. What about his mustache? man we gotta talk to him go 12 that's personality man yeah right's good getting bigger than his whole head now oh man you see that thing it's like and he's talking like yeah everything is good is the character off the Grinch maybe or not a grinch I shouldn't say he needs to like like curl the ends of it up like they do oh yeah shit I went to bed last night woke up about 6.30 drink two beers went to church to the prayer for cow Bush came home after mass, drank another two beers, and shit, there was still five

laps to go in the O'Reilly race. Do you have work on Monday, man? That was Saturday. Sunday morning. I think Mass is on Sundays. Yeah, whatever it is. They on Earl Hickey pulling off again. That's a damn tough days for us, dagon, huss forna fans.

Guess I'm going to have to dag on go drop the blades on the Huss Farnah this season and go cut some grass because we're not getting drunk. You're already drunk. Win or lose, you always booze. Come on. It's always a reason. What the fuck did I just watch

goddamn Christopher Bell fucking pushing a goddamn Ford to the front of the race and not helping the Toyotas don't help goddamn shit. Fucking goddamn. And then a penalty, he didn't even make any spot

below the yellow light. So I don't understand. It was bullshit. The whole thing is bullshit is all rig. Wow. Put that guy in the booth. He needs a hug. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean... Was that our last one? Yeah, it was. Okay. Usually when people call like that, they're calling out the Toyota's. I've never heard a call like that being in support of the Toyotas. Yeah, they usually are pretty, pretty angry at the... How does it say, Toyotas?

The Yoters. I love how he says it on the broadcast. All right, so leave an audio message 24-7. have a few beers, call our number at 704, 802-9572, and we will play the best ones each week on the show. All right, it is time for shit show Hall of Fame, and we saw a lot of on-track shit shows this weekend, but I don't know if you guys saw it on Twitter over the weekend. Tommy, I know you don't quite have Twitter, so hopefully your reaction to this is great. But there was a pair of tourists. I'm not exactly sure where, but they got chased by a bison, and then the husband ends up getting flung,

like Christmas card photo He's like starfished mid-air Just getting like Anniolated by this This bike like it And they're like So there's like it's like it's patch of trees And the bison's over like

Well first of all the guy is kind of messing with it Because it's in the bison's line of sight Yeah Stop to take a photo Yep and then it sees them And I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that Whenever you do it You ignore it and keep going

Like you just pretend like it's not there And so then there's like this little patch of trees that the people are standing by well the bison gets up and starts running towards them so they're just making laps around these trees just getting chased by the bison and i don't know where the lady went she must have hit up in a tree climbed a tree something but the guy is just making laps around these trees and finally the bison gets to him and just flunges him in the air is he all right god please forgive allegedly he is he's living uh with some some broken bones and ribs and things

but he's gonna be okay he's should get a fat settlement from that park, whatever it is. No, I don't agree about that. I don't agree. He shouldn't have been messing with the animal. Did he read the signs? Clearly not. No.

Or the little, uh, what's it? Don't mess with the bull. Don't mess with the bull. You get the horns. They're braver than I. He said in a recent interview that they were keeping a respectful distance from the animal. That distance closed up real quick.

Yeah. That was, no. The animal did not find it respectful at all. Did you guys see that the lady was wearing a dolphin jersey and a buffalo came and attacked her? Last one. That's going to be a good meme. Is that what you're supposed to? Yeah.

Oh, he's in it right. You did. The kids are teaching you something. Okay, well, if you have not seen that video, I would recommend going to find it. And if you do see a shit show out in the wild throughout the weekend, tag us and send it our way on social so that we can laugh along with you. If you watch me on Irish and you'll probably get a lot of those.

Yeah, we could. Hey, everybody. This is Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, go to shop. Dot dirtymomedia.com. We've added some new shirts. There's one called Winner. lose, we're drinking booze. Everything seems to be about drinking here at Dirty Mo Media. Go check it out now.

All right, moving on to Ask DBC, where we ask the questions you have all been wanting the answers to. We kind of touched on this earlier, Rajab, but, you know, maybe there's some other avenues that we didn't go down. What is the best and worst parts of having to divide your season between multiple teams and cars like you are? Yeah, I think the best part, for me, it's been seeing what different teams do to be successful. And I mentioned my first starts in this series with Alpha Prime Racing years ago. So going from that to having starts at Hendrick Motorsports to now at JRM, it's been really a blessing to see all of what it takes to be successful at this level from not just behind the wheel to your preparation, your sim time, being with your pick crew, the thought and effort.

and passion that your team's put into it. It's been great to see that. And I think that I've been fortunate to do it both with Hendrikars and to have a partner that will use you like that is really a blessing and I'm super thankful for that. I say the worst part is probably going from maybe running top five one week and knowing that that's what the reality is that week to go into a different weekend and knowing, okay,

my result or where I'm performing at is going to be a little bit. bit different. I think that's a tough part of obviously knowing where I'm at in the point standings and whatnot. And as a driver and as athletes, we are, and team members, we all want to win. We're in a competitive industry where the success, it's tough because only one person wins every week or one team wins every week, but we're all striving for that. And to sometimes go to the racetrack and know that's not a reality, it's definitely tough. And we've all had that reality before. But I'd say that that's been the worst part.

But at the same time, like, we're getting to drive and work on race cars and travel across the country to do it. When you say it's the worst, it's really not that bad. There's a lot worse things that we could be doing. Exactly. Raja, one of the things that I've always heard about you is work ethic and the inquisitive nature and questioning attitude and taking a lot of your free time and using it to either go on the roof with the spotters or climb on top of the pit box.

Yeah, I'll be there with y'all at the Bucsboro this weekend. If y'all let me, I guess. So is that just a natural thing with your love of the sport? Yeah. Does this directly coincide with you want to make sure that you are doing absolutely everything you can to be the best at what you do? It's both. I mean, I've loved this sport for as long as I remember. From seeing the Cars movie as a kid to watching NR 2003 and stop motion videos on YouTube and playing.

Yeah, you get it. I mean, collecting die cast, going on my first race. This is like I wasn't born into it, but it's part of my identity and my DNA. And with that being said, if I went, if you asked me 10 years from now and I would told you that, you know, I wish I could do more, I would be very upset because this is all I've ever wanted to do. And it's not work for me. I mean, I'd love, I mean, in my free time, I'll either be watching onboards on YouTube or scrolling on eBay looking at DiCast or be sim racing at home. I mean, there's nothing else I'd rather be doing. And I know that I'm on my own path to just getting as good as I can be and as good as I want to be. And the opportunity I have right now is super special. So I'm just making the most of it by doing my best and having fun. And like you said, Tommy, just chilling and driving. And I've been my best when I've been just chilling and driving and hoping that, you know,

that'll come out to some better results that I've been getting lately and culminating some wins soon. Where does being an ambassador for the country of St. Vincent and the Grenadines rake on your personal list of accomplishments? Yeah, I think that's pretty awesome. For those that don't know, that's where my family's from. My dad was born there. My mom's side of the family's from there as well. So being from the Caribbean, that's something that's super cool. I mentioned obviously not being born into racing.

And growing up in a Caribbean household, knowing how important education is and family is. And being a representative for that is super special. It's kind of cool. Like the island or the country is a group of like, there's a main island and then a bunch of different small island. Some of them are uninhabited. Some of them are, you know, have people there. and to be an ambassador for really where I'm from is super cool. And I'm going to go and during some of the off weeks in August.

I guess that's next month now. Dang, the year kind of flew by. It does fly by. But yeah, I'm going to go there next month and spend some time. I actually haven't been since I was probably four or five years old. So it'll be cool to go visit and make some adult memories there. But super, super cool to represent where my family's from. And they have a big tourism community as well.

and it's a great place to go to for if you're trying to plan vacations. That's a great place to go to. Obviously, a lot of people go to like Barbuda or Antigua or, you know, Barbados or places like that. And St. Vincent and the Grandines is a great place to visit as well. That's awesome. We do have one for you, Carson. What? Did you really nerded out over an airplane this weekend?

Fuck, yeah, I nerded out over an airplane this weekend. And let me tell you guys something. What? So I saw a Boeing dream lifter in real life this weekend. 787? No, the 787 is the dreamliner. It's the 747. The Dream Lifter is that oversized plane.

It kind of looks like a beluga whale. And they use it. Dang, where do you see that at? In Charleston is one of their hubs that they go to for final assembly. I'm a play nerd too. Yeah. So do you have Skycards? No.

Okay, so I just discovered this app this weekend called Skycards. And it is in conjunction with Flight Aware. And you can pull up the app at any time and it gives you a little radar where you are. So it's like Flight Radar 24 is like the same app kind of? But you click on the flights and you capture the, you capture them. And then you create a whole deck of all these random planes. It's just about airplanes to show a race. Oh, that's sick.

I'll send it to you. I'll send it to you and we can be friends on Skycards. I'm not in kidding. You guys, I'm a huge plane, trains, automobiles. But the dream lifter is used to travel parts for the dreamliner across from, like they go Japan, Italy, Washington, Charleston, and then one more stop. All right, all right. Sorry, you got me going on the planes. I was so excited.

Eric, can we go on the weekend winners? Is that next? No, where do DBC picks next? I hate these picks lately. All right, time to go into DBC picks. Eric apparently picked for me last week, so you guys got a one-week break for me kicking your ass.

I'm just trying to sandbag for you. Just trying to help me out. I think I pick first. So where are we going? Wilkesboro. Oh, yeah, duh. I'll be there. Okay, I am going to take...

Shit. I'm going to go Chase Elliott. You got some good picks, left on yours. I'm gonna go chase Elliot. Hopefully quadruple duty weekend will pay off for him by Sunday and he'll know he could go around that place

with his eyes closed. Tommy, you're next. Got some solid ones left too. Byron. Wow. Can't leave him left. Okay. Rajah. Let's see who we got.

It's a short track, so the Penske cars will probably be good. so there's Josh Barry but I think Daniel Suarez would be pretty good too out of this Cindrix's a Penske guard too oh that's tough but the 42

legacy cars have been pretty good lately too as well did you pick somebody let's go do you got somewhere to be or something why the hell are you rushing us around for lunch or something yeah Pete Paul's got to get his

early lunch special this is the guest for the rest of the year it'll reset before the chase starts but yes. I'll pick Barry. I'll pick Josh Barry on this list because I think I won't screw the next guest because I think Daniel could go and probably win one of the next couple, whether it's in your...

What a nice guy? How do you know we won't pick it and screw that guy? What do you mean? You can't pick the same person? No. Oh, really? Yeah. Pick what you want to pick.

I picked the 21 anyway. All right. He wants to try. Okay. Josh Barry. I have Wilkesboro. I think that's a good pick. I think so.

Okay. All right. I haven't been great at this. But I feel good about this one. This driver won the clash. He's 26 markers out of the chase. Oh, that's a good pick. I'm going for Priests for Freddie.

That's a good pick. Okay. All right. Before we go into weekend winners, a little upset on the bracket this weekend. Todd Gillen beat Alex Bowman. And so now it's Todi G. C. Eliot, Christopher Bell, and Ryan Blaney are your final four going into Wilkesboro.

Todd Gillen's the Ty Dylan underdog story from last year I like your underdog story so go Todd Yeah honestly I got to say

Go Todd on this one too Yeah I mean But Todd wasn't the underdog Against Bowman right 25 verse 32 No but he's the lowest Seat left Yeah because he

But Alex missed those races Early in the year So that's true too Yeah he's Yeah it's gonna be big I mean I think like that's what's fun about this

Is you get to talk about sometimes people that You might not always be talking about. And it's for a millie. And it's for a millie. Ask for a cut for us. All right, weekend winners. This is where we kind of list off.

People that we saw win this week around the racing world. And you lovely fans always submit them to us throughout the weekend on Twitter and social media. So I'm going to let Eric kick it off with Flow. And if you do not have a Flow Racing subscription, you can use the link of FlowSports. dot link slash door bumper clear to sign up and get 15% off. And you can watch me and Eric at Wilkesboro this weekend. I mean, he'll be on the TV, but you'll see me run by every once in a while. Special guest in the booth too.

Dale will be there on Friday. Raj, if you're around on Thursday, we could use some entertainment during qualifying if you want to hop up in the... Don't tell me with a good time. Flow racing booth. That would be my first ever time. I've never done like TV or anything like that. For real?

Forever. For like a streaming or anything. Come on up. It's just qualifying, but it'll be a good time. I'm going to send McKee a text after we get out of here and get Roger the booth. All right. So NASCAR Rilla Modified Tour was at Claremont. Friday night.

Patrick Emerling won that one. Lucas Oil Series huge weekend for Dylan McCowan, winning Friday and Saturday at the Diamond Nationals and the Salutes of Forest Lucas weekend at Lucas Oil Speedway. First career wins with the series there. It was a big weekend. I saw that all over social. Brandon Shepard got the Slocom 50 at 34 Raceway. Usak Midwest Midget Week.

Gavin Miller moved Canada Macintosh on the last lap to win Tuesday at Sweet Springs. Jacob Denny won Wednesday night at Mitchell County Fairgrounds and Friday at Jefferson County Speedway and Kale Drake Saturday night and also at Jefferson County. Jason Fegger wins a barn burner at Fairbury. What state is Fairbury in?

Is that Illinois Fairbury or there's two? There's Nebraska and Illinois. I would say... I do a lot of. of irising of that track. It's pretty fun. I like, I like, there's tracks that I've never, I have no Cleveland, what part of the country they're in, but I'll just, the kids will, literally will be like 10 year olds because they'll be, they'll talk on the mics. Then I'll just join their hosted sessions just randomly and just run micros or, uh, midgets or sprint cars on

there just for fun. You've probably ran into wide a few times on there. I'm sure. No, exactly. Fairbury, Nebraska. Nebraska. Nebraska. What does Nebraska look like? I have no clue. It's not there. A state? It's a square. It's a square. No, no, no. I mean, I know what the state looks like. I mean, like, if you put me in the capital of Nebraska, Omaha, I guess, maybe, or a

random place in Nebraska, would I see mountains, grass? What, am I, what? Cows. Yeah, it's pretty wide open spaces and some mountains, I would say. Look, here's your, this is Omaha. Omaha is a real city. Okay, this is BS because this is like a two-star hotel putting pictures of the nicest room.

And then, actually, I shouldn't say that. Irving in Nebraska. It could be very beautiful there. Roger, you're about to have a whole state again. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Nebraska. But like, it seems like one of the, yeah. It's like Charles Barkley talking about San Antonio. Let's move on. Let's move on, Roger. Fairbury is badass. It's a fun place.

Yeah, Fairbury is good. Kayla Montgomery wins the, is it NARC or NARC? NARC 410 race at Santa Maria Speedway, 10 different winners in the last 10 NARC for 10 races. Doug Hammaker won at Port-Royle. Slate Myers won the 100 Lapper at Bowman-Greatest past weekend. They finally went to transponders. Yeah.

Right? Instead of a stopwatch and the booth. Seriously? And now it is still controversy. Like, yeah. Oh my God. Crazy. Gotta love the madhouse.

Alex Yankowski and Ronnie Johnson won the twin 20s at Fonda. Peyton Talbot won at Utica Rome. Mike Marreska wins the Dave Maschuga Memorial. Of course, it's a memorial name that I'm messing up. That's great. That was at Outlaw Speedway. Stafford, Troy Talman, S.K. Adam Gray,

models, Chris Matthews and the S.K. Lights. Travis Hyder and the limited late models. And Ryan Waterman, six in a row in the street stocks. That's pretty big at Stafford. I mean, to win that many in a row at a place like Stafford. And win anywhere like that. The handicap that they have, that's a... That's pretty good, man.

I think they need to tear that thing down or have a bounty on them, you know? They have already? They have... Oh, shoot. All right. Well, keep winning, Ryan. Michael Burner, Jim Sylvester, and Cody Triola. Winners at Riverhead this weekend.

Believe it or not, Connor Hall, won again at Langley. Who's that? Is he getting any more truck races this year? I think so. Yeah, okay. I think he's got like one or two more. I think he's bringing the Blue Beast to Wilkesboro, isn't he? I'll be good.

I don't think so. I would bet that he's bringing the Blue Beast to Wilkesboro. Trevor Ward, Bobby McCarty. They split the 275s at Sobo. Craig Moore won the Kenny Meadows Memorial for the limited sportsman there. Also at the Madhouse, Sterlin Plemans and Zach Orr won the sportsman races and the street stocks where Bryant Robertson and Brandon Brendel took home the stadium stocks, Carson. All right. Jumping into World of Outlaws, Rodgers, God, and Sheldon Haudensh.

Got the wins at Wilmotin Raceway. World of Outlaw's late models. Dalton Wilson wins at Stateline on Thursday night. And Bobby Pierce wins again on Saturday at Sharon Speedway. God, what a year he's having, man. I mean, they are digging. That's the Sharon Speedway that the Blaney's own. Yeah, same one.

Yep. James Blewett wins Wall modified race at Wall Stadium? It's not James Blewett anymore. What is it? His new name is James Slim Shady Blue it. All right. James, wait, James Slim Shady Blue It wins the Wall Modified Race. Pull up the Victory Lane pitches and you'll see his hair do.

I don't know what he's gotten into. I don't know. I looked at the pitcher and I'm like, I text him like James. Come on, man. Does he have frosted tips? He's got, yeah. His whole, he looks like slim shady. Okay, all right.

My name is. Yeah. All right. Also at Wall, Mike Alcaro wins legend cars. Ryan Bellello wins sportsman and Nick. Nick Bellillo and Scott Riggleman win factory stock races. Ferggytime. Chris Ferguson wins at Cherokee.

Landon Huffman sweeps the twin races at Wake County with his wife, Brooke Huffman on the spot or stand. That's a bad bitch if I've ever seen one. She got a perfect record, right? She does. She's three for three, three, I think, on her spotting career. So maybe we should have her on the show instead of Landon. All right. And Matt Hirschman won the Race of Champions Race at Shang, too.

I got a chance to watch a little bit. That was a pretty good race between him and Emerlyn. That track is really neat. Important part of the state to have racing involved in. It's not too far from like the Binghamton College. So I love the fact that they're, and it seems like they're working with a lot of the areas there. They got a drag strip. We're talking about this on the broadcast.

The operator of the drag strip is trying to get more. involved on the Oval side. And track looked good, decent crowd. And I want to give a shout out to the Claremont race. The guy did a really good job of fixing that place up over the last couple of years. And people of Hem and Hoard of not wanting to go up there and doing it, man, that's a beautiful part of the country. There's so many good race tracks up there.

And I'm glad they put on a good show. And, you know, Patrick and Matt, they raced hard all weekend, right? They were first, second, second, second, first, second, that, you know, both times. So, yeah, good weekend overall. Would all these winners? Congratulations to everybody. And let's get to the fans and fans DM in you. Yeah, I was going to say I wasn't done yet.

Okay. Riley Gill won the Sportsman Mod feature at Evan Mills. Trevor Kirkland, and I had no idea my mother was racing this weekend, but Kelly Miller both took wins in the 360 Sprint Car Frontier Sprint Tour in Montana. A busy weekend for her. I don't know how she got from Wyatt's race in Wisconsin to Montana so fast. Nick Lescula got win number two in the pro stocks at Seacomk. Landon Salamito also wins again in Bandos at Seacon.

Hickory was Jackson Tovo and Tony Brightinger, winning the limited late model races at Hickory. Beckham Castle, which is Landon Castle's son, was a winner at Delaware Speedway. Tucker Wellshan's Race of Champions Sportsman Race at, won the Race of Champion Sportsman Race at Spencer. Luke Buckner wins his first race in the Cookout Cadet class at Millbridge, and Jerry Parson won the DirtMod race

at Mitchell Raceway in Fairbanks, Alaska. I want to go to Alaska. Me too. So my bucket list. I met Keith Lee. Yeah, I knew, I met Keith McGee when he was truck racing and he showed me pictures of the racetrack up there. Yeah, I want to take that place out one day.

All right, looking ahead. Raja, you have off weekend. Are you doing anything fun with your weekend or you're coming to Wilkesboro, I assume? Yeah, I'll be here in next couple days and then take a couple of days off and then come back up, hang out at Wilkesboro. and it's nothing else. I race in or at the race truck.

Finding something to do with racing. Thomas? What are you up to this weekend? Thomas, government name? Full government name. We got a busy week. Both boys are running the pro-late model cars and then Luke's running a truck race

Saturday and we got the cup race on Sunday. What a weird schedule for us with the cup stuff. We're in out, in out, in out, inspection, practice out. I mean, shoof. Yeah, our schedule on Thursday is interesting because of all that too. I hope they add a, they add a bridge at Wilkesboro. I know.

Like I just took crossover bridge. Like a pedestrian one. I would agree. Like, I think they should have not built the one over 421 and used that to build one over the racetrack. Like Williams Grove has one like a bridge like that. It's fun to watch. Freddy's over there shaking his head.

No, he likes keeping everybody held hostage. Let him fight it out when it's over. Well, you're saying that because you're outside of the racetrack. You couldn't leave and come as you go to please. Yeah, you didn't have to red flag your race 40 laps into it so that fucking crew guys could cross the racetrack. All right.

And Eric, you'll be in the booth this weekend with Cars Tour and then also the truck race. No truck race this weekend. But I'll be watching. I'm debating on bringing the kids back to the track. But it'll be the first national race that they could see. They'll be there for the Cars Store race Friday night. Corey Himes running double duty, I think I just saw this morning. He's running for the Bryson Lopez team and the pro.

And then Alex. Luca teammates. Yeah, that's awesome. We'll have Gio Ruggiero. They announced that this morning with Monaghan's. Chase Elliott. in the junior motorsports car. And he's running his own pro late model. So he's running

four. Oh, seriously? Yeah, he's running pro lay model stock, truck, and cup race. So that would be cool. That sounds like a good time. Yeah. It's going to be a great time. If you can't make it, it'll be on flow. All right, as always, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Follow us on socials. Raja, thank you for joining us this morning. It's been a blast and always love to hear about your story

and your experiences. And maybe we'll sneak you in the booth on Thursday. It looks for. Yeah. Well, thank you guys for having me. Hope everybody has a great week. And pull for 88 and 32. Well, 32 indie and then 88 rest of the year. We'll have to give the plans of Rajat schedule so they know which car number to pull for. All right, guys.

I think that's all we got for you. And we will see you next week. Peace out. Check out Dirtymo Media on Instagram, Facebook, X, and TikTok.