Door Bumper Clear - Tow-Truck Driver Fights, Victory Lane Falls, & Pastor Tom: The Best of DBC

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Every week, Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge are joined by a guest from the NASCAR industry, and we’re never disappointed with the moments it creates. From breaking down the video of a tow-truck driver yelling at Tommy to Connor Zilisch recapping his nasty victory lane fall, we compiled the best moments from Door Bumper Clear this season!Best Moments in order of Appearance:Ryan Blaney on getting married.Steve Park recalls Dale Sr. teaching him how to win Rockingham.Jimmy Spencer talks about the current state of NASCAR racing.Kyle Busch on racing Legends cars at 15…allegedly.Ryan Blaney denies crashing out on the radio.Bob Pockrass tells a one-night stand story.Connor Zilisch and Josh Williams recap Connor’s scary Victory Lane fall at Watkins GlenDerek Kneeland on Juan Pablo Montoya coining his nickname “Daddy”.Mark Martin’s opinion on Austin Hill wrecking Aric Almirola at Indy.For spotter Doug Campbell’s wedding, Tommy will be known as Pastor Tommy Baldwin.Butterbean Queen talks about his ARCA win at Daytona and working with Helio Castroneves.Regan Smith’s hilarious story about Tommy screaming on the radio.Ryan Blaney asks Tommy about his infamous fight with Tony Stewart’s crew in 2004.Michael McDowell recaps the Cup race at Watkins Glen.Michael Waltrip drops the flag at North Wilkesboro.The cast read bad DBC Reviews.Tommy talks about the Earnhardt documentary.Connor Zilisch on his Watkins Glen win…before the incident.Jamie McMurray breaks down Tommy’s “tow-truck driver” altercation.Ricky Stenhouse Jr. gets into a bidding war with Tommy over paddle boards.Real fans wear Dirty Mo. Hit the link and join the crew.👇shop.dirtymomedia.com/FanDuel: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets, which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, Door Bumper Clear fans, it's Tommy Baldwin here, and today we are bringing you the very best moments from the year. It's some of our personal favorites from the guests we brought in, reactions to the season's biggest moments, and some of the funniest moments that had everyone laughing. We hope you enjoy listening to as much as we did making it. See you guys soon. The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media.

Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a crew tech, or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with. Let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny. That's what I think.

Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never. And here they come, never and like they never have before. I did not for you, motherfucket. Can I tell the story about your dad?

Well, yeah, I guess. We don't have a choice now because you brought it up. But, you know, I've been married a couple, two, three times. And, you know, when I was marrying Beth, you know, been happily married for over 20 years now, of course. But I never got my invitation, the invitation from my dad, you know, my RSVP. And the, so I finally called him up. It's like three days before the weddings. And I'm like, hey, man, you know, you're coming to the weddings.

He goes, nah, I'll go to the next one. They never came. He never showed up. I'm like, okay. Oh, my gosh. That's who he was, right? Obviously, Rockingham has a lot of meaning to you. that was a probably i mean is that your biggest cup win probably i was or almost memorable i should

say no i think wakins glen only because dale was still with us yeah um rocket ham was emotional but uh you know i always go back we you know when when i first went there uh in the cup car we were like 25 and i'm like man i just you know i feel like i'm i'm i'm driving the hell out of the car you know and i can't get no speed out of it and dale says um he says next practice he said i'm going to meet out on pit road get out as early as possible so we get out early and dale's at the end of pit road and i come behind him we pull out on the track and uh you know we're we pull out on track and we're going through the gears and we're racing and i'm following dale and he's just showing me the line around the racetrack well i almost wrecked them because we're going down the front

straightaway and i'm like two car links behind and you know we go off and turn one and all of a sudden like probably no exaggeration, like maybe 15 car lengths before I would ever lift off the gas. He lets up, you know, gets off the gas. And I am just on the brakes trying to slow the car down to keep from running into the back of Dale. I'm like, the hell is he doing? And next to, you know, he's like, you know, through the corner on the gas. And now I'm four car legs behind him.

So we go down the backstretch and I'm running down the backstretch. And all of a sudden, he just takes his foot off the gas. almost running to the back of him again. Get the car slowed down. I get to the bottom of the track. And now he's six cars in front of me. I'm like, all right, I see what's going on here. And, you know, it was the same deal.

And then he also told me one of the things he said, the hardest thing is you got to control, you know, we talk about tires. And you talk about Rockingham and wore tires out like crazy. And he said, you got to remember the start of the race. You're going to see a car go past you. And you're going to see the sponsor on the back. And then you're going to see that sponsor disappear.

He says, but I guarantee you in 20, 30 laps, you'll start seeing that sponsor get closer and closer and closer. And you don't even like, not even, it was like taking candy from a baby. It was like, you know what, they're going to run like a rabbit, wear their stuff out. And once they wear their stuff out, they slow down three seconds. Yeah. And if you just maintain a moderate pace, but as a race car driver, it's hard. How do you? You know, I mean, yes, cards are.

leaving you and disappearing into the sunset, you know, you just want to go catch them. And, uh, and, uh, and, you know, it worked out for us. And I always said, you know, we, you know, we, we, we did the gas strategy. Uh, we ran out of gas on the last lap. Uh, we didn't have tires. We didn't have gas. We stayed out, did the track position thing. And, uh, um, and just from conserving tires, we just barely had enough to hang on at the end. So, uh, but that's how you went rocking out. Chris Rice, obviously stand up for his driver last week. but he made a comment like it's not on the 10 car at all. And I'm like, how could it not be on the 10 car?

Who's Chris? Who's that guy? Chris Rice is the president of the race team of colleague racing. And he, he made a comment like, he must need a pair of glasses. He made a comment like, you know, even if he waived,

nobody's going to see him because these guys can't get their hand out of the window. I said, I don't know if you'd be paying attention. My guy went viral two weeks ago because his arm was at the window flipping Denny off. You know, like they can see when they want to get their hand out the window. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the 11 cost of 23. Yeah. Cool.

Cool, not cool. That wasn't cool. No, it wasn't cool. But that's what I mean. He was mad because he lost. He's just mad because he lost. I like old Bubba. You know, Bubba won. The first time McDonald's car won since I won, and 94 was Bubba.

So I was proud of him. That's cool. I'm going to get a cheeseburger, Bubba on you. You know, let's talk about. You probably still got the coupons in the 70s. I still got the dolls. We used to strap the dolls to the roll cage, you know, the Fluffy and all those guys. You know, and I would love to know is, you know, obviously, we transition to the dolls.

to Talladega this week. Obviously, your two cup wins come at plate races. One of the better plate races in your career, honestly. How would you handle if we told you had to go out there and ride around half throttle all day long so we can get in a decent position at the end? You know, I'm looking at that guy right there. One of the best ever. Do you ever think he real half throttle?

I remember I was a Dover. This is my first year in Cup. And we had got in a little controversy the week before. And Earnhard had qualified like 18th, and I had qualified 70s, so we were both riding around in the pickup truck. And Earnhardt goes across, and then people go, both. You know, you don't know who's more, boo-ur-year. And I'm like, oh, wow, I would have, what a person to follow.

So I follow him, and I'm like, what the hell's going on? I mean, a lot of booze. and I get in the truck and he puts his arm around me he says Spencer you're doing a good job and I go what? He says listen here comes Brett Bodine across

You see what I'm talking about It was interesting And I said holy cow Editor's note The dispensers and bodines Did not get along Okay keep going Jimmy Anyway that was it

You know Aaron Hart I mean he didn't give a damn He pushed the pedal I don't know I mean, I don't know what There's a lot of pressure on the drivers to win I mean, I don't know It's tough

Talladega was an interesting race I did watch yesterday because I was coming on this show But football was a lot more exciting To watch the Giants lose It was very upset He's a giant's sad Yeah, I know, I was upset over that I'm like Michael Strahan said it best

You don't play to lose a damn game And that's what happens to a lot of drivers You know they play protect protect protect that's some let me tell you if you if you ever beat him you drove your ass on i remember jeremy mayfield bumping earnhard at polka no just a little moved him up same thing earnert would have done hernardt's give him the high five and he cost him a race but that was earner he didn't give him the high five well he didn't give him high five but you know that was that was earn hard no no so when i grew up i grew up in Vegas and i was primarily pavement legends cars um but i did run some dirt dwarf cars some dirt

Legends cars and then I ran five races and IMCA Modifides. And on my fifth race, I was battling for a guy, battling with a guy for third. And I was only 15 at the time and you're supposed to be 16. But I may have may or may, allegedly, I forged a birth certificate. We hear a lot of that on this show. Yeah, I was going to say, you probably weren't the first and won't be lost. And so back in that day, you know, no social media, all that sort of stuff. So they didn't really know how old people were.

Internet was just kind of brand new. And anyways, I dumped a guy for third place because he was blocking me. And so after the race, he wanted to fight in the pits, and I couldn't get out of my car. So I was stuck in my car. But when he came over to yell at me, he was like, oh, my God, he's just a kid. And so he called the local sports reporter at the news station to pull up public records to see how old I was to know if he could kick my ass or not. That's a good story. What are you talking about?

I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, Freddie's got the old Long Island. Yeah, you know where I learned it? Yeah. Tommy, I do have a question for you. Uh-oh. Do you know what crash out means? You know what it means?

So, like, crash out? No. Not in a race bar. I was going to say, he's probably seen a bunch of... Do you know what crash out means? Me? Yeah.

I have no idea. Do you? I mean, I'm sure... I have an example because it's... Is there an example right there? I can't read. The example is you. Yeah.

Example is Ryan is known for crashing out on the radio. See, I don't get that. If you were to use it in a sentence. I kind of got a gripe about that. Correct. About what? Well, hold on a minute now. You know, people give me a hard time for, you know, I get animated sometimes on

the radio, but... You do lose your mind a little bit on the radio for five seconds. Then you feel like that's a question out. Well, the thing that the biggest thing I have is I get asked all the time like, you know, hey, why do you radio y'all that's yada yada yada? And they give me such a hard time about it, media and stuff. But they never give guys hard times for hooking people, wrecking the hell out of people. It's like, this should be the stuff you're worried about.

Like, I don't know, I'd rather lose my mind for five seconds on the radio than wrecked guys all the time. Like some of these guys do. Kurt Bush was the king. That was the. Oh, radioactive. episodes of Kurt Busch, my favorite watch. There's the person that always tweets out your live radio.

Anytime I see my name where he's like, tell Freddy. I'm like, I got it. This is funny. I love it. Yeah. I did call you out one time. You know it's him telling Bubble what to do. And there was one time you said something like he's on my last roll or something. I think he even spoke about, is that a f*** fat joke? I was like, why are we talking about rolls? I don't understand. It is embarrassing.

go back and I see that woman's like she lives tweets everything that goes on our radio and I go back I'm like I don't remember saying that sorry I think you left your glasses at her house at her house at some point I mean that's like

that's OG that's OG DVC back in the day let's tell that story again can we tell that story I've told it once I mean you know but I never heard it you got to tell it for Carson Gosh.

Is this going to get in trouble, by the way? I mean, it's already out there. I did the, you know, I left to spend the night at a, you were somewhere, yeah. I spent the night at a friend's house and, you know, and I had to get to work the next morning. And this is like 30 years ago. This is long time ago. Yeah. All right.

And I, you know, you know, like you wake up in the morning and you're kind of blurry eye, you know. And so I get my car and I'm driving. And like, this is like 20 minutes, 20, 30 miles from where I need to go, get to work. And like, I get 10 miles from work and the signs are still blurry. I'm like, what the hell are all? Like, I'm awake now. I look up. I put on her glasses.

Oh, shit. So I drive back. This is like before you had cell phones. Okay. This is how old. Yeah. You know, you know. Drive back.

Damn. And like, yeah. Here. That's tough. That's tough. And here we are. Yeah, so, I mean. It looks like you still got her.

I saw these are, those are Bob. Some people sometimes say are those you're. Yeah. I mean, the last thing I remember, I was split on the door, so I had one leg in the car, one leg out the car. And the last thing I remember is thinking, I don't know why, but I thought I was going to break my femur. Like I was, my leg was stuck.

I thought I was going to get caught in the headrest and just, I thought I was done. Like, I thought I was done. And then apparently the first thing I said when I came back to life and, you know, was resurrected is they said Michael Campbell, actually, Justin's PR guy, he was walking with me. I was on the stretcher. And I like, I start turning the corner and coming back. And I was like talking gibberish, like just yapping away. You were in the race too.

Which I've seen you do this before. Before the fall. Thanks. And he goes. Well, I was basically, not yelling, but I was talking to the medics and I was like, I'm good, I'm good. Like, my shoulder hurts a little bit, but that's it. Like, I'm fine. And they're like, no, like, we're putting you on the stretcher.

I'm in this neck brace. And I'm walking, I'm getting pulled away on the stretcher. And I'm like, apparently the first thing, the first words that came out of my mouth that were legitimate where, God, everyone's going to think I'm a . . . . . . . . . because I was like, why am I on a stretcher right now? I feel fine. I didn't realize what had happened. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, my goodness. I didn't even, so while I'm driving down the road, I text, we get out of there and

like, oh, I guess Twitter started blowing up Nick Payne or somebody was riding me. They're like, the hell's going on here? They're like, Connor fell down. And I'm like, that doesn't make me. That doesn't surprise me at all. He's not the most athletic person and sitting on this table at this table. And then they're like, no, I think it's kind of bad. And then somebody pulled up a video and I was like, oh, fuck.

Like, and you guys said, you were on your way to victory late. Yeah, I had just crossed the track, walking across the front stretch. And I saw him getting out on the big screen, and he fell. And, like, as soon as he landed, they cut the screen off. I'm like, oh, that was bad. And I got to Victor Lane. And it was just an eerie silence. And I'm like, this isn't going to be any kind of celebration.

I'm out. And then the whole, honestly, all night and Sunday, kind of took the win out of the cell. You guys should have just went and celebrated without him. I know. I asked in the hospital. Is he alive? Is he like? Oh, cool.

All right. I asked in the hospital. I was like, did you guys at least, like, take your pictures in Victory Land? and they're all like, no, and I was like, what the heck? That's where I wore my hat today because I wanted to get a picture with him. I was going to go to Victory Lane when I was at the track yesterday and take a picture of Victory Lane, but I didn't. You should have. That would have been.

I know. I was just, I was getting bombarded and I didn't want to. I was going to see anybody. I loved your tweet last night when they were kind of giving you a track house account with Shane getting out of the car slowly and your reaction with a gift or whatever. It was funny. Everybody knows me that I'm a smart ass. and Shane was about to get out and it was all I could do not to say, hey, just

just be careful. Just please be careful. Yeah, well, I think that I'm not going to name names, but a driver, we're at the airport, and he goes, yeah, in our pre-race meeting today, the whatever their comp director, whoever said that if we win, we can't stand on the car anymore.

Like, it was like a new rule for them. So, way to go. The kind of rule. Yeah, the Connor rule. You have for everybody. Sorry, guys. But I think it'll all be okay. if they just go ahead and just tuck that window net back in the window before you get up on there.

Yeah, but he was having issues. Yeah, because he was stepped on the window. It's a mess. I saw it on the way up. He stepped on and almost slipped. And I didn't he came up. The first thing I asked, I wanted to make sure your dad was there else because I was getting ready to get in the car and head over there. Yeah, I was old man's where there.

I'm like, okay. His old man's over there talking shit. Literally. Literally. He was literally talking shit. That's what I was looking for him. That was going to be the truth. What did he say?

I don't even remember. It was something like this. Oh, silver lining. This is, uh, Fibre himself is no longer his most embarrassing moment. And that was, can we talk about, he said last night at 10?

You did that? A 10 years old you told me? Yeah, I was at 10 years old. That wasn't when you were a baby. No. Probably wasn't the last time either. I don't think.

It just that's what dad knows about it. Move it on. Anybody doesn't know, like I mentioned earlier, you do have a, you had a strange relationship. And I don't know where it started. If it was with Juan, if it was with Kyle.

Juan. I know where you're going with this. But when I met, Derek, for whatever reason, all of his drivers called him Daddy. And I don't, can you, can we get to how this happened? So it was one, I want to say it was at Darlington, was the race where it came up. But we were in the holler talking about something. And I can't remember what it was he said, but I just remember saying like,

ah, daddy like you. And granted, this is, this is like 16 years ago, right? This is something you would say, I think, somewhat often. Yeah, yeah. It's like a response. I mean, at that point, I was probably only 26. I just thought maybe Juan couldn't pronounce your name. Oh, yeah.

Daddy instead of Derek. Actually, when he said the name was like, Dedik. Yeah, Derek's got a funny, you know. But no, so we're racing. And I came out, and our caution comes out, and he says something. And I said something back. And he's like, 10-4, Daddy. Ha, ha, ha.

He always had this funny laugh on the radio. So then, like, from there on out, I mean, it was all the way through that year. because I only spotted the last year that he raised. And then the next year I had Larson. I had Larson for seven years. And even to this day, if we text, if we talk at all, it's always daddy. Reddick is always daddy. Kyle is not.

Kyle has broke the daddy. I think he's heard it enough on the radio from like Randall. Because all those guys still call me that on the team. But Kyle doesn't. He probably hears it and just doesn't know the backstory. But I think it'd be weird if he said it. Kyle's going to call anybody daddy. Correct.

Yeah. Carly doesn't get jealous when this goes on, does she? I mean, I don't know. No, no, I think we're far enough into the marriage. They say a nickname at home or. Oh, my God. My closed doors sometimes, maybe. Hey, it's Dale Jr.

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We talked about Zillage. We talked about Zillage. We got to Zillage. bro. Why don't you just read that whole block right there for us? No. We can come back to it. I can see this show is all about Freddie getting home and taking a nap.

My hate, post. All right. Oh, God. Tommy's ripping his papers apart. He threw the first paper on the floor. Okay. Oh, this topic won. I love it.

I feel like we're going to have some things to say about this. Okay, I'll pick you. Me, me, me. Austin Hill appears to right hook Eric Amarola in Saturday's Xfinity Race. NASCAR penalized. Austin Hill. Lapse for reckless driving. Should he be suspended?

Take it away, Tommy. Spot on, spot off. All right, Mark, go ahead. What? You're so big you. No, I want to hear him first. And don't be, be you.

Don't do not sugarcoat this shit. So I'm a big proponent of handling your business personally, man to man. Okay, if I would have been in the 19 car, Austin Hill would probably with one punch, knock me in the middle of next.

week. I'm not sure how to handle that situation if I'm in the 19 car because, like I say, I'm a believer in handling, you know, your stuff face to face. I don't know. That was, that wasn't good. Yeah, it was bullshit. He should be suspended. Listen, this happens all the time with Austin.

He loses his cool. As soon as somebody messes with him a little bit, he should be suspended. That was completely intentional. I don't, they can come up with all the, all the in-car. I don't give a shit. That was, could have been devastating. That's a, that's a place that can't happen. No.

Well, and Eric even said, he said that hit was on par with the one where he heard his back. And to your point, Mark, if it's, if it's Eric against Austin, and if it was same boat, I would start running from here, find his address, start running from here, and gear up every piece. and just when he just looked, I would just clock him. So to your point, to your point that it was a terrible, terrible thing. I mean, the guy should have gathered up his stuff up and raced. And he never does. This happened at Martinsville, right? He caused a lot of that issue at Martinsville in the Xfinity race there when that was a shit show.

He's doing it again. And just because he's a big guy and thinks he can get away with this, he can still get knocked out. Right? Right? He can still get knocked out. And on top of that, he doesn't need to do that, right? And then for Richard Childress to stick up for him, that's bull-h-h-h-hick. Richard Children's should be, today, should be sitting him down and going, man, that

wasn't right. This is not how we race. Well, you hit the nail on the head. That was emotion. He reacted with an emotion that he should, a great race car driver that he is. But, you know, a total package race car driver has to tape, you know, has to handle his emotions. Exactly. And that was an emotional move.

He did it snap without thinking. And you've got to be better than that. Yep. He has gone way down on my list of race car drivers after Saturday. That's for sure. Until he gets his shit together, go see therapy, go do something. Go see some sports psychologists. Go figure your shit out of not snapping because he could have hurt somebody there.

and it wasn't a good deal. I tweeted this out last night. Kevin Hamill actually posted a funny picture of it. I'm probably going to start bawling like a little kid here. You know, yesterday was probably the last time I talked to my dad. That date, you know, he died tomorrow is the day he passed away. So that was a lot, you know, in that moment. I'm like, you son of a bitch, do not let me run out of gas here, please.

I'm a pastor now, right? You? Yeah, he's marrying Doug. Oh, I know. Shut the. It's Pastor Tom. I forgot to introduce you as Pastor Tom. Oh my God.

Tommy, if I ever get married, will you officiated? No, this is going to be one in-down baby. No, this is going to be a side hustle. We're going to pimp you out to these other weddings. I heard someone told me if you have that certificate, you can get VIP parking at Yankee Stadium. It's going to be in New York, but you get a

parking lot just for ordained ministers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pastor time. We did this. It was a very, very, very your kit process on pit road in Martinsville waiting to go out for the modified race. Yeah. It took all of... Oh, this was recent then.

You just got this completely. He just got ordained. Doug said, you're marrying us. I know I'm not. Yes, you are. I'm like, what am I going to say? Doug got engaged. And then right after that, he told Tommy, he's like, hey, you're marrying us.

And Tommy's like, well, I can't. He's like, oh, yeah, you're going to take these classes. You're going to take the class. I'm like, oh, really? Yeah. Where's the camera? Oh, my God. How did the post race

go with Helio. What did you guys talk about? I'm interested his thought process of all went down

from what the indie car from what happened with the Arca car. So I haven't I didn't actually see him after the race because I was in

the media center and then I guess he went back to Cups He was in the care center He was probably in the care

center. Oh yeah well that well that too I didn't even know put his way I didn't even know he wrecked until I got back

to the trailer to leave and I seen the car on pastors and I'm like, didn't he finish to the top five? They're like, oh yeah, like, my man got right rear to after the race.

I'm like, oh my, like I just, well, I could, don't get me wrong, I believe it, but I couldn't believe it at the same time. But, he hit everything but the ambulance

all weekend and ended up in the ambulance. Bless his heart. Wow. He couldn't catch a break. Man, I felt bad, but so he was super awesome to work with.

one of the nicest famous people I've met. Let's put it that way. That's what I said to him. But he calls me the queen because he thought I was a chick. And realized that I was not a chick because of the last name. And so he put me in his phone as the queen. And my Valentine's card from him that they said queen to the queen. So I do have a Valentine's card.

card from Helio if y'all saw my tweet so I guess he was my Valentine's How did Nicole feel about that? Well, there's an interview with Helio where he breaks Nicole into it, says I don't want to make you mad being to Valentine.

So we're all good. Everything's good at home and no hard feeling. But Helio was awesome, man. I ended up texting him because I wanted him to know how appreciative I was of him because I don't win that race without him pushing me there.

So I sent him a text and man, he texts me right back. Just super happy for me winning and happy for the team and thankful for the opportunity and he was just saying how much fun he had and obviously felt horrible about the post race wreck, but it's not really his fault.

Yeah. The same guy that wrecked Helio, I think he was coming to celebrate with you. I looked over there one time. He just followed you down the front straight away. Oh, yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, What, like, do y'all, can I do a burnout? Can I not? I've never done one.

Like, am I allowed to? Is it going to mess the car up? Like, I'm asking a million questions because I'm like, I don't know what to do here. Like, I'm late mile racing. I just go around backwards and pull her on in. And I never do a burnout because our stuff breaks if you do that. And so they're like, oh, no, we're bringing your flag. Like, you come over here and burn it down.

I'm like, okay, not bad for my first burnout. And, but before I got back to turn. around, I'm like, why does this dude just sitting on the right rear? Like, I can't even turn around here. I'm like, I have no idea this guy thinks we're under caution or what's going on. So luckily he got out the way and I was able to turn it around. But I didn't even know where Victory Lane was. I'm asking the official, I'm like, they're like, we need you to get off the front stretch.

I'm like, well, I don't know where to go. So y'all go ahead. You used to have to deal with Tommy on a regular basis, driving his race car. I know what it's like spotting for Tommy. What's it like driving for Tommy Baldwin? Tommy was good to me. It is a little different having Tommy in my ear again right now. It's bringing back some flashbacks.

One real quick story. So halfway through that year when I drove for Tommy, my wife was pregnant. And we're getting ready to have our second child. And it was Chicago Land weekend. Actually, it was towards the end of the year. And basically decide, hey, I need to skip this race. As it turns out, Eliza, our daughter is born halfway through the Chicago race. So I've got the race on the TV and the delivery room.

I've got Megan screaming because she's given birth and in the middle of labor. And then I had the scanners pulled up. And I've got Tommy screaming louder than Megan the entire time on the radio. And I'm like, this is, this is pretty. I am not full of shit. Listen, I can promise you, I've been in there. I believe you. Turns out sometime between Saturday night and Sunday, my microphone went bad.

I swapped headsets at the break. Way to be prepared. You probably stayed in the bag from Phoenix. No? No. Don't lie. Absolutely not. I did the turkey derby.

Oh, yeah. Okay. So since the turkey derby. All right. Since the turkey derby. And that show's better about. You snot, your water, drinking water. Got on the mic.

And again, you're the fault. Just a moldy microphone. It worked the day before, but not the next day. Sorry about that. I want to ask Tommy. I feel like one of the highlights in my head, and I just want you to talk about it a little bit, was the fight when,

Casey was driving for you. It wasn't a fight. Between. It was not. It wasn't even close to that. All I did was trip over a bunch of tires and then... And punch a bunch of people. No, it was not.

Everything was fine. I mean, I got up on the pit box. I talked to Zippy about, hey, man, what did he say? What happened? When he happened, I got off. And when I got off, I tripped over. But what happened was when I was tripping, I tried grabbing onto something. Well, it just so happened to be a couple Tony Stewart guys.

Right? that I was grabbing onto when I didn't mean to. You know, next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. I don't know what happened. Take that out of context. Take that out of context. I promise you, if you really know me when I'm fighting, that was not a fight. I've been to a couple of those.

He's probably not wrong. I just, the shot of you with it half the chain. That's like seared into my brain. I'm watching that race. I can't believe I got fined $10,000 for tripping over tires. And then months at a time, they're showing it, right? Finally, I walked into the NASCAR trail. I said, you guys done?

Can I start getting my money, you know, marketing money back for what you're doing? Are you going to keep showing this or what? They laughed at me. And I'm like, I paid $10,000 for you guys to keep promoting it. That's what I don't like about the fine stuff. Yeah. Then they promote it. If you're going to find somebody, don't promote it.

Like you can't have your promos on it. Like the Ricky and Kyle deal last year, you find those guys. you're not allowed to do it. Either don't find them and you can promote the hell out of it or find them and it's on YouTube. You can't intro your race with that. I think I got like over $300,000

in fines in my NASCAR credit. No, real. And yeah, it's just two of them been promoted. Have you been suspended in NASCAR? No. Really? Got you.

For what? I did. No, I'm saying, for what you did it? I don't know. I still didn't do anything wrong. When you listen to my radio, tell me what I did it wrong.

Wait, you really don't know still? I still don't know. I have to have a meeting with Elton Sawyer at some point to figure it out. Same as your radios, right? This weekend, you don't know, right? Listen, you go back on my radio and tell me what I did wrong. I'll be happy to talk about. Freddie would be like, I don't think you would ever go to jail for anything.

Never. If you get on the stand and be like, I don't know. What are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, Freddy's got the old Long Island. Yeah, you know where I learned it? Yeah. No.

Tommy, you want to give a shout out to Catherine Legg? Yeah, I know you do. I know you're going to. The note I sent you last night. The fact that she's beat the 77 car all four of her races. Say that again? Every race she's run, she's beating the 77. That's a stat.

Yeah. Straight up. Oh, that is too funny. Yeah. That's too funny. We like to give old Carson a little bit of grief on here. Not grief, really. He brings it upon himself a lot of the times.

Did you do anything wrong yesterday? He got dumped yesterday. He spun himself out one time. I don't think of those on purpose. Josh spun him. I looked at a repaid that last night because I saw Ancar and I was like, damn he just dumped him um the one the other replay i saw from like the outside of turn two and i could have been seeing things because it was two o'clock in the morning but it looked to me

like for a split second right before they made contact he likes the lock front of right right front up so i you know i don't think he was intentional i saw that first angle and i was like oh carson must have done something to him um some at some point you know and and and but then i saw that in car of josh and i thought the same thing he got to the top of the hill there and looked like he just went straight but only he knows. Yeah. Yeah, we'd have. He might have locked him up just. He was like, probably I'm going to run into this guy, but I got to block

the breakup just to stay off of them once I do spin him. He did dump somebody else. Oh, Eric, he dumped Eric. Probably cost Eric a top 24. That caller is going to be upset. But that was probably payback from Chicago because I think Eric wrecked him at Chicago, so that doesn't really surprise me. There was another Tristan wheel hop.

Oh, he got his own teammate, I don't know. They're still teammates? How does that work? is, yeah. How do you, like, can you dump an outgoing teammate? Like, does you feel better about that? If they're on their way out? Yeah, absolutely. For their game, right?

Yeah, but they were doing so well after during practice communicating to each other. They showed and they were talking. I would say knowing Ross, you know, Ross is just going hard there and obviously locked up. I don't think he would ship Daniel on purpose. They have a good relationship and they race each other hard, but it was one of those spots where you're like, ooh, that didn't look nice. It looked like, you know, Daniel was a little jammed up. behind. I think it was 22 also.

That's what's hard to describe is like everybody comes off of turn 10 and they start to block for 11. But once somebody covers in front of you, like it starts that accordion. And you're, I'm in too deep. And now it's three on the bottom. Yeah. And you just end up running into the guy in front of you just because everybody woes up so much when you pull that block off.

So it happens pretty easy there. What did you think as a driver, the deal on pit road with the six and the 54? I mean, they had a little bit of running on the racetrack, but I saw Gluck tweet something about like he thought it was on purpose. I think that's just, you know, that's Ty had the right away there. I see both sides of this. Like, Ty has the right away. I mean, it does, per the rule.

Like, he's in front of the six, right? So he can pull through their box. He can drive 100%. Well, that's what those orange lines are for, right? Well, only if you're coming around. If you're coming around. Right. Yeah.

So it's not an interference if you're in front of them. But you don't have to take all that. You know what I mean? You do have to, in order to set yourself up leaving in case there's somebody in front of you. If you're going to get blocked in and all those things. You have to do that. But then also, too, seeing the carrier. Yeah, he was far.

He was out there. He had some room. Yeah. Back it up a little bit. But we got to talk to Tommy. Make sure we talk to this. Yeah, he's out. I mean.

So he actually came in. Yeah. I think. Now, like I said, you can cut guys' breaks. You don't have to. Yeah. Right? So, I mean, he didn't do anything.

that illegal. Yeah, no, but I don't know. But you see, we're also hope that when the six picks in front of them next week. You want to say. You would like, you don't want to get. They're, their carrier better be standing on the wall

because Brad's got, you know, it's a, and I don't know who was pinned in front of them if he needed to get out. I don't see anybody pulling in front of them. Also, too, you guys got to understand, too, these carriers are also trained now, too, to take it. Yeah.

Right. Like they're, they're trying to put you to 504. Yeah. They're trying to do stuff to... And so as a driver, you're in that spot of like, oh, don't do that, man. But then you also go into that mindset of like, you're driving a race car and they're standing there. I mean, you don't want to hurt somebody.

But why are you playing games? Yeah, probably sense. Get out of the way. Play dumb games and dumb things happen. I mean, it's, yeah, it's, I don't, again, I obviously tied into anything wrong. I'm sure I understand why the carrier's mad and why he's gone over there. I'd be mad, too. I'd be mad.

Yeah. I'd love this. Tommy down there. He didn't fight for sure. Somebody, Flores sent me a clip of you fighting with an official at Watkins Glen, actually, about some lugs that you didn't put on, but you were going to try to fake it until you made it. Because we had the lead and we were going to win the race. And that was when they first implemented the, they had to have five on. And I didn't get the fifth one on.

And then I tried lying and it didn't work. This went on for a while. Oh, well, I tried. They almost threw a caution because I had them fooled. I mean, I mean, we were actually going to win Watkins Glenwood, Ward Burton. We had the lead.

It was kind of like the 88 when they won Dale Jat. We were in the same boat. The car was just that good. And there was the last pit stop. And I'm like, you should have put the lugs on. I'm right. It was habit, unfortunately. You know, you always put four on at the end, you know.

Damn it. All right. The promoters caution set up a great finish to the race. spot on spot off. Tommy. Yeah, absolutely. We thought it was going to be a gimmick and ended up working out the way they envisioned. Like most of the time, I hate to say,

when they vision stuff, most of the stuff happens for a really good cause for the fans. And besides Michael dropping the flag on the track, which is pretty typical of it. And he might have, knowing Michael, he might have did that. on purpose to create some more limelight on himself.

That's Michael. But yeah, look at him. Yeah, look at him. He's doing it. It looks like Will Ferrell up there. But yeah, I mean, it's set up some strategy calls and ultimately had made the 20 come in and 22 stayed out and launched a great finish. Yeah, where's the other producer?

Where's the other guy? Where's Alex? Is he listening to this? He's upstairs. a better place. He's in a better place. He took the first week. Alex is working on something else right now for

Alex's working on the pickings. So the first week we're like, where's Alex at? He's like, oh, he's up in a better place. I'm like, what he's dead? What happened to him? No, he's just on the second floor. He's always just upstairs. He's just up the stairs, literally.

Oh, man. All right, I'll go with this first one. Let's see what we got here. Oh, this is good. Deleting. This podcast has only one spotter. That's questionable. And a bunch of unnecessary swearing.

Not interested. Good news is he didn't hear it because he deleted it. Or they should say they didn't hear it. You can't assume. Listen, yeah, there's only one spotter because the other spotters are afraid to come on here. And Tommy's on the roof every week anyway, so that doesn't count. So he's got to, he replaced the spotter. He's just not, he's up there spotting.

He just doesn't get to push the button. Yeah. I spotted a silver crown car one time I told you guys. I count. They have radios? Tommy, you want to read this next? Oh, no, hold on. I'll read it because it talks about.

You need to read the next one. I'm going to have to read this one because it's about you. It's technically on you guys. It's fucking on me. Thank goodness for Carson. She's the only one I can understand. I don't know what these two Yankees are saying. First of all, I don't even have a New York accident anymore.

Tommy sounds like he's been sucking helium or has a bad post nasal drift. Jesus Christ, I had throat cancer. Give me a break, dude. Eight chemo, 35 radiations. Holy f***. Got a little issue. A year ago And this guy

I don't even feel bad God almighty This guy's coming right from your throat Literally Jesus Christ Sorry dude God almighty I was almost dead

This guy's almost This guy's breaking my balls Trying to make me feel bad Oh no Oh my God All right Carson I can't read this next week My eyes are watering Favorite NASCAR podcast

next to Denny and Dale's. Don't worry about all of those one-star reviews. We don't have any one-star reviews, and we're better than Denny and Dale. Yeah. Every week, right, Freddie? Are you sure, Freddie? Every week.

Not really want to say Denny's the greatest? Oh, Danny is great. Are we are phenomenal? Ratings. I told somebody we got into Travis. We're not allowed to talk about the ratings, though, Freddie. We got into it. I got into a Travis the other day

on Travis produces Danny and Dale show. And he said, I thought you said, Danny's great. I said he is great, but we're phenomenal. That makes us one step better than. Period. What else we got? I would ask Tommy to read these, but he didn't

He probably didn't bring his glasses. He can't see. All right, you go to the next one, Tom. What page we are on? Oh, Jesus. Oh, for the, sake. Wait, you should read the second to last one then. Tommy should?

All right, hold on. Can somebody please, for the love of God, number Tom's pages? That dude is lost every week. Love the show, though. True. That is accurate. What page are we on? I can see now.

That is perfect. Perfect. Yeah, good job. Which ones do we miss there? At the end of the day. Go ahead, you can read that. At the end of the day, you can have a serious drinking game using the words, obviously, at the end of the day, and to your point. That's all you. At the end of the day, obviously.

Obviously. To that point, at the end of the day, that guy's right. To your point, next. Phenomenal review. It's a phenomenal review. Might as well add what page are we on into that drinking game, too. All right. This is, though, I think the last one for this week.

me. Why the haven't I seen DBC yet this season? Also me. Not subscribed. Whoops. Sorry. Well, hopefully by now you are subscribed and we thank you for the only, I think that might be the only kind review in there. We got a favorite next to Denny and Dale. I'm like, it sounds like to me.

He didn't give it. No, I think he just screwed up. I think he's been upset that he missed it. He thought we weren't back. There was one positive. Somebody said, thank goodness for Carson. So we'll take that and run with it. I think that's a sentiment among the whole table here.

Jesus. Amen. All right. That was a good segment. Those are a lot of stars in there. Do we get to pick which one is in the All-Star fan club? I think so. I think the shit.

The guy that came for Tommy's throat is definitely. Yeah, he won today. Yeah, that was. I wish you'd get your shit together over there. Oh, poor Tommy. All right. Well, I'm sure we'll have some more giggles here in a second. No, not poor Tommy.

Tommy's fine. Don't worry about Tom. Tommy's okay. Listen, do you want to hear poor somebody from that whole situation? It was the poor ladies in the room when Tommy was getting his chemo treatments. Because the shit that he said that these old ladies were turning as red as that Budweiser hood. I was sitting there like, I got to leave. I was, I was blushing.

Everybody in the room was blushing. The poor doctor was, I wish there's no. way I could tell you on this podcast, anything that he said in that room. But we had the doctor blushing. And I can only imagine what that guy's seen in his day. Well, I called him off guard on that comment. It was a perfect. But he knew exactly what I meant. That's why he blushed. Well, just listen, you can imagine. Tommy had throat cancer, so you can imagine what he said. It was, I actually brought, brought that whole group coffee and drinks the other day because, you know, I get a big thing of coffee because I was in that room for three months. You

And there's a lot of struggling patients there. So every now and then I'll bring, I'm kind of nice sometimes. I'll bring the nurses, some drinks. And I bring the patients some coffee and stuff because keep them going. You know, it's pretty upsetting because probably half those people that were in treatment with me passed away. You know, ended up passing away over time. So, you know, you get to, you get, you don't get close to them, those people, but you understand what they went through. So, you know, to this guy's point here, yeah, I do suck helium now, but I got a bad case of nasal drip.

Yeah, but I'm alive, my . Put it on a T-shirt. Oh, speaking of T-shirts, how'd you get that T-shirt? Yeah. I told you. Yeah, yes. Oh, yeah. Being a girl goes a long way.

Yeah, yeah. Jack's been hard. He charges everybody's same price. Oh. And she got a discount for some reason. We don't know why. Can't figure it out. From Team 17, have you guys had a chance to watch Thurnhart documentary yet?

And if so, what did you think? Roush is asking this? That's good. I text your mom the other day. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was good. I mean, it's pretty cool to be not part of it, be in it during a lot of that time. There's a couple of cool situations when Dale Jr. was talking.

It kind of put myself in a little bit, same position with my dad. Dale talked about when he went and visited Daytona. I had to do the same thing at Thompson. That's when my dad died at Thompson Speedway up in Connecticut. And it took me a couple years to do it, but I ended up going with the nine cup car to test there right before New Hampshire, because we did it years before that with the 22, tested it at Thompson, went there and won the race.

So I'm like, let's just see. And I just, I more wanted to go just to feel it, just to see if it was okay. So a lot of it, you know, it was pretty cool to, to hear him say that. Well, you know, obviously on a small level than what, what the Earnhardt had to deal with. But same type of feeling. So, you know, I still go there, you know, to this day, to Thompson. It's, I kind of got away from that thought process. but, you know, it's pretty cool to have Luke drive it the other day.

You know, I haven't talked about. I never said anything. But, you know, it's like, man, your grandson's racing this track now, you know. Your grandson's racing all these tracks that you, you know, your grandkids are racing these kids, you know, these tracks that you're racing at. So, yeah, I related to a lot of it. It was all true, right? I mean, because I watched it.

I mean, that was a bad man, man. I mean, he just, when he walked through that garage, He demanded that air around him. And it was cool to be part of it. And cool to be talking to him and have talked to him and spent a little time with him. And yeah, it's good. I think it was really well done.

I like that it's kind of told from the perspective of Mom and Dale's, you know, experience with it all because most of the documentaries that have been done about him aren't. And, I mean, they're the two people that knew him as a human through and through. so I think it was really well done. He probably still celebrated. He's like this and you're upside down. He didn't let Debbie down over here. He was like this.

Take a picture when he was on a street. Yeah, he was going to do a selfie with it. So it's like out like a leg. It was fun to have him. Talk about your day, the race itself, but obviously, you know, we'll get into it spot on, spot off. I don't know if you're going to be here for it. But the incident with SVG, I mean, you're,

I don't even know how. many laps to go was you're clearly a better car. How hard is it to know how hard to push in that in that moment? And obviously you guys get together. He ends up wrecking. I don't think you did it in purpose, but you can say on here if you did. Yeah, no, I did not. I did not do that on purpose. Like, if I wanted to wreck him, I would have, I had 10 laps before. Like, I was doing literally everything in my power to try and pass him without touching him. And I mean, I was behind him for, it had to have been at least seven laps trying to pass him. And I was doing everything I could. I was lining him up in the break zones, trying to force him to make a mistake. And he's just so hard to

force him to a mistake. So, you know, I got alongside him going into six, the second and last corner, and I went a little deep and, you know, went wide. And then, you know, I was coming back onto the track. And, you know, he's just going dead straight. And I expected him to open up the corner a little bit to give me room to re-enter. I guess hindsight, my only option to not wreck him was to lift and and you know I just I expected to have more space coming back onto the track in which I didn't and yeah I mean I wish I would have lift and and you know gone back after him but I also wish I could have had some more space too it was just we were fighting for the same spot and and and he knew that as soon as I got the lead I was you know I had the better car and I was I was going to drive

away and and you know win the race if another caution didn't come out so I understand you know his point, you know, he was doing everything he could to keep me behind him. And then, you know, for my point of view, I was, you know, trying to pass him for seven or eight laps really clean. And, you know, he was being really aggressive blocking me. And, you know, that was my one, my best shot that I had so far to get by him. And yeah, just we met in the same spot. And like I told Josh, I said, if I wrecked the guy, tell me. Like, don't, don't lie to me.

And I asked. Did you lie to him? All right. Probably. Probably. But here's my scenario in it. Probably. Whatever.

You sit on the radio. I know. That's why I'm here. It's in the car. You know, you don't want to piss them off. Exactly. No matter what I say,

he's going to feel one way or the other about it. And he's not going to have clarity until he talks to Shane or someone else way higher than me. So my job in that situation is to diffuse it. We'll focus on the rest of the race and then we'll handle the rest of that later. And that's what I was trying to do.

That's why I asked coming to the checkered. I was like, You asked again? Yeah, coming to the checker. Tell me, what's it my father? Yeah. He's celebrating like down this train. I'm like, hey, bro, we've got to hit two more breakings on.

I'm coming. I come out of the carouset and I come on the radio. I'm like, dude, if I wrecked him, tell me. Like, just tell me the truth. Like, did I wreck him? Because I knew at that point, like, they're not trying to maintain my emotion or anything. Like, I've already won the race. Like, I'm coming to the checker.

I just want to know. Are they honest with you at that point? No, they still lied to me. It's still lied to me. I let Marty talk to it. You go ahead, Marty? What did Marty say? No, bud, you're good.

That's it. Let me ask you this. How many curse words did you get out when you got shipped up to Hill and turn one on the restart? I didn't. I wasn't that bad. I didn't say anything. I just went up to him. And the biggest thing that pisses me off.

I went up to him and I give him whatever a little bump and bump under caution. We're talking about Austin Hill. Yes, Austin Hill. And he has the damn heart to just throw me deuses. and I'm like, oh my gosh, I cannot wait till I get back to you. And there was like 10 laps left. I mean, there was plenty of time. And yeah, he threw me deuses and I was like, oh, this guy.

Is that the same guy that was suspended the week before for a reckon? Same guy. Possibly. Same guy that maybe caused a nuclear disaster down the backstretch there. Is there any chance we're going to see you try to fight 20 people at one time? There is zero chance that you'll see me fight it. I love racing. I just am not going to fight over it.

I don't know. And I saw Tommy and I saw the biggest vein I've ever seen in my life sticking out of his neck. When he was yelling, I saw him trying to fight the tow truck guy. No, I was not. The guy was choking me. And I was like, are you done choking me? What are you doing? Get away from me.

Yeah, I don't know. My wife called me. She's like, did you see what happened? And I'm like, not yet. That's what I'm going to start. looking. And she's like, well, Luke's dad was really mad. She's like, I can tell you, she's like, he was really upset.

And I'm like, yeah, I've seen that before. There is. Vane, pop and I look at TV. That's your new. That's your new contact photo. I was not happy. I made that your contact. What's the EMS guy saying right there? Sir, you're getting ready to have a stroke. Please. All I can hear

is I watch that piece was Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Like everyone's screaming. Oh, my. Oh, yeah. Oh, Tommy. That was you. No.

In the car. Hold on my car. Stop. Don't. Stop. Stop. What are you doing? Stop.

Stop. Stop. Hey. Hey. There were about 85 people yelling at me. I was basically just trying to tell everybody, just keep your hands off me. Leave me alone. Just don't touch me.

That's exactly how it came out. Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. That's what I heard. Ricky, anything, I mean, cup racing, obviously. Yeah. Hold on. We got to get back. to the shit show between you wreck and me

and Martin Zill. Let's get back to talking about that. Tommy's over it. I actually thought about that the other day because, you know, we ended up at True X's charity event. We were bending on these paddle boards. Oh, my I remember that. We almost fought then. Yeah. At the charity event. We did.

Tommy's on one side of the room. We're up to like $15,000 on these boys. $15,000 for these paddle boards. It was for the kids. They weren't about $1,000, but we met each other. Wait, at Catwalk? Yeah. This past year.

No, this is, I have no idea. Like, I honestly, you know where they are? Tommy, yeah,

I used them the other day. My pond fountain was broke, so I paddle boarded out there. Yeah. $15,000. Yeah. My wife's like, we don't need these paddle boards.

I'm like, we're keeping them. We're not going anywhere. Yeah. He was on one side. We were bidden. And the next thing you know, I don't know what happened.

We started arguing. I still don't even, I don't even remember what having it, Martin'sville, to be honest with it. I think he just wrecked Regan probably. I don't think I was spotting.

I only spotted her net. So was it Regan? Yeah, Reagan was driving. But I don't remember. I have no idea. Two hosts of artists. There was a reason, though. No, no, you just got to us.

There was a reason. It was the reason you were aggravated because we were still on the lead lap. And you were 29th. We were 28th. You went into three. You never checked up. I'm going to go. I'm going to go back and look.

We're going to go back. I can tell you it was when I was at Roush. And I could have wheel hopped. Yeah. You know, it's weird. I don't ever remember your wheel hopping. You didn't want to walk in a little. I'm a little hopped every year?

Every year. Yeah. So you'd hear a noise. You go, what is that? Oh, never. He's fucking Ricky in a fence again. But the rest of the race, because I told Regan over to, over the radio, I said, you will never drive my car again unless that guy is destroyed at the end of the race.

Right? So we taught, we wrecked him. I mean, by the time the end of the race, his shit was pulling on pit road full of smoking. He was aggravating. I was like, So it got bad during the week. Jet called me up. He goes, you know, what's going on? He got this.

You know, I said, let me tell you something. I have five miles out engines, five junk cars. I will bring every car the next race and wreck him practice, qualifying the race. He goes, I said, so are we good? Are you going to tell him to just calm down? And he's like, yes. I said, okay. I'm going to do some research.

I don't remember. I don't remember. Yeah, I do. That's why we were fighting for $15,000. The only thing Ricky can remember. remember this, but I wasn't paying for it. He was. Yeah, and I didn't care. I didn't care.

The only thing Ricker remembers is that $15,000 paddle board on this whole situation. Tommy came over, are we good? I'm like, no. But again, I don't really remember. Tommy seems like it's very fresh and his mind. He remembers it clears yet. Tommy doesn't forget.

I'll be, he's, and like what he said to Regan, I easily believe it because when I spotted for Tommy, that was not uncommon to hear on the radio. when his car got pushed around a little bit. So it was funny. I hate that place, by the way. You hate that what? I hate that place.

Martin Leigh. But when you were driving that 17 car, now I know he wheel hopped. That's what it was. Yeah. I mean, it was not hard to believe. He could have apologized at the time. Sorry, I'll hop, but he didn't.

Yeah. If I didn't apologize, I generally did it on purpose. Exactly. Just saying. I'm just saying. And that's why. If you do it on purpose, there's no apology. That's why I didn't get one.

That's why Jack had to call me. Yeah. Again, I don't know why I did it on purpose. No reason. I can guarantee you. Check out Dirty Mo Media. Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.