Door Bumper Clear - Tyler Reddick & Loudon: Ty vs. Denny – It’s Game On

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Tyler Reddick joins Freddie Kraft, Tommy Baldwin, and Karsyn Elledge on this week’s episode of Door Bumper Clear. Tyler stops by to recap his less-than-stellar race at New Hampshire, discuss where his 23Xi team needs to improve over the next two weeks to advance deeper into the Playoffs, and explain why the reason he hasn’t won yet isn't because of his new haircut. In Spot On, Spot Off, the crew breaks down the Joe Gibbs Racing contact between Ty Gibbs and Denny Hamlin, Tommy gives kudos to an unexpected driver, and Tyler reveals why you don’t want to go to the ER on New Year’s Eve. Plus, we have a hilarious Reaction Theatre, S***show Hall of Fame, and more!This is the badge. You in or not? Dirty Mo merch, link belowhttps://shop.dirtymomedia.com/ Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. Called me Frat Freddy the other day in a group tech. Or he just misspelled fat. Either way, he can kiss my ass. Let's fight. Let's get it over with us. Let's knock each other out and let's move on. I think he's a whiny.

That's what I think. Next thing you know, I got no firesuit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. You want to have gimmicks. Let's go all out. I would never, and here they come, never and like they never have before. Not enough, you love them. Hey, what's up, everybody?

Welcome to Doorbubber Clear. I'm Freddie Craft, spotter for Bubba Wallace and G over Zero this week and Doug Kobe for all of fucking two laps, I think. Hey, Tom. Thanks for having me come out Saturday morning. I really appreciated it. I guess I just needed you get up early for no fucking reason. Was that the 9 a.m. that you guys were talking about last week?

9 a.m. race. We did not have a good weekend of the modified time. No. I think it all started on Friday. Started it. Probably before we got there. Yeah. Yeah, not a good weekend, unfortunately, probably engine issues all weekend.

And it finally culminated with a big puff of smoke down the backstretch at lap four or five of the race. Right through the pan. Oh, yeah? Nice hole. So we're not, we're not. That blocks officially. I hope. I hope because it probably should have been replaced when it blew up in Richmond.

Anyway, how are you today, Carson? Happy, uh, how long do we continue the birthday? Well, we can celebrate the whole month. We can celebrate until September's over. How was your birthday weekend? It was good. Fresh off a weekend of Shannigan. Somehow she's sloping around.

I think she should be done. I'm excited. No more birthday week. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm glad to be at work. Get back in my routine. You didn't do any drinking, right? It was just book reading.

A lot of praying, crocheting, and yeah, knitting and a lot of wholesome activities. Our guest this week, one of our favorites that I have back in the studio. Usually comes these our elf for Christmas, but we haven't done a Christmas show

in a while. So Tyler Reddick, welcome back to Doorbubber Clear. Yeah, thank you. No, I was, you know, you guys were talking about that modified race and I was in bed trying to sleep. I just opened my eyes and I just hear loud race cars. I was so tired Saturday. So, yeah, I wanted to watch Mod Race, but I was trying to sleep.

It was a, I didn't get back until like 1.30 in the morning. So it was a late night. I had to run to Laconia and pick up some formula for rookie and then drive back to the track. So it was a lot of driving. And you raced? So we talked about that for a minute. We went out and raced.

We went Friday was the day from hell for me. Probably the same for you. I got up at, I don't know, 4 a.m. to get that flight. We flew to Loudoun, did modified practice, did truck practice and qualifying, modified qualifying. Then me and Tyler went to Lee.

Tyler ran the super late model race over there. I spotted for my buddy Rusty. And I don't think I didn't get back from that until 1 o'clock, almost, 12, 31 o'clock. It was late night, early morning. But it was fun. I mean, yeah, I can't remember the last time, maybe truck days or some Xfinity days, you'd be getting up at 4 to get on a flight.

That's fun in itself, but I think the last time I did that was before kids. Yeah. So, like, you know, you could get in bed at 10 and not have to worry about waking up. And, you know, Rookie wakes up through the night a few times. And, yeah, wake him bow up at like 5 a.m. I think I woke him up like 4.45. He was not impressed. He wanted to go, and I'm like, this is what comes with it.

You got to wake up this early, and he's like, at least I had to drag him to the car. When I saw Bogan on the plane at whatever time was, five o'clock, I said, at least I know I'm not the most miserable person on this plane. I mean, I'll give you a little inside information. You have to completely clothe them before they go to bed, shoes and everything.

Make them go to sleep, then you just get them up. Well, I mean, everything. I thought about that, but honestly, he did that part pretty well. He, it was a, I mean, he was a little grumpy getting his clothes on that early in the morning. But, yeah, we're trying to get, you know, he's fart started. his first year of like real school, if you will, kindergarten, the longer, longer days, longer hours. So he's kind of getting used to that.

It was funny, like a weekend, he was like, okay, this was fun, but can I go back to preschool now? Like, and I was like, nobody, that's not how this works. When Wyatt realized he had to, his doctor's first day of kindergarten, and he realized he had to do that for a lot. Yeah, there was a lot. 13 years.

He was not happy. Talk about that though for a second, like going to a place like Lee. I mean, that's just a fun. Jumping in a super late mall or the past, a pro stock, I guess they call them up there. You know, how much fun is that for you to, like, especially get to the grassroots of things? But they go out there and race with these guys. I mean, that was, we were all over each other now for whatever I was, 150 laps, 125 laps, whatever it was. It was fun.

Yeah, for me, you know, for some drivers, you know, it's, you know, they're returning the roots, returning to their, to their region, what they grew up doing. And, yeah, it's, it's grassroots racing. But for me, it's something that I didn't get, I didn't really get to do at all growing up. I came from the DURR racing side. So getting to explore asphalt, late model racing, if you will, getting to do it, you know, up in an area where, again, I've seen it from my time at New Hampshire Motor Speedway, just passionate fans that love racing and getting to go to the U.S.A. Speedway for the second time, race with Archie. Yeah, it was a very enjoyable experience. I know we wanted the feature to play out a little better for us, but, and it's, you know, it's tough.

I've learned it. Those guys are good. And, yeah, I had a lot of fun, that's for sure. Yeah, it was a good time. It's a great, great racetrack. It is such a cool racetrack. You know, I feel like the first time I did it, just, it was everything was so new.

You know, I think when I did a couple years ago, it was my first ever time in a late model. Which you should have won, but you wanted to be nice guy. Yeah, I know, much of a nice guy. Who would have known years later, it would be still searching for a win. Yeah, if I could have looked in the future, I would have. I would have right to me. Poor kid.

But that track is so cool, you know. Just the shape of it, how it races, how war out it is. You really, really got to search for grip at that place. So it's just cool. You know, it's a world I didn't grow up really in or around, you know, years ago. Before kids and other responsibilities, I used to go up to Hickory all the time with Landon Huffman. Robert was my car chief when I ran the trucks. And I got to, you know, experience Hickory a lot.

And I really enjoyed that. So I feel like my time going and experiencing that kind of helped push me into saying yes and doing this. And yeah, it was cool. It was a bummer. It had been a couple years since I'd done it last, but I really enjoyed it again. How much do you want? I don't know what, I mean, I don't know if you're allowed or not. But like, how much do you want to be able to get back into a dirt car?

Like, I know that's what you grew up doing. Like, is that something you want to entertain either, maybe even after your racing career in NASCAR is over? I think certainly. My wife would not be thrilled to hear that. at some point she's going to get some time out of me but uh well you're only 20 so you i definitely feel like i'm about turn 30 next next january i'm feeling it i'm feeling it um yeah i could see that you know um that's you never know how long you're going to you know be racing in naskar but um yeah whether i'm in naskar for 20 years or two more years or whatever it might

be um you know i could see myself you know when when i'm done here i won't be we done racing at all so you know i look at i look at you know the veterans of the late model world that that still do it or did it for a long time you know um i just if you can keep yourself healthy i think you can race for a long time yeah um unfortunately we're going to have to eventually get to the race from this weekend i know um one thing i do when i ask you and listen lily i'm going to put you on a spot a little bit here because we see this a lot and it's I you know I know for being in house what it's like but you know a lot of people talk about a down year for you and I just wanted to know from your standpoint what do you think is wrong and why do you think it's your hair?

I mean it's I don't know if it's drag maybe I don't know yeah yeah totally yeah open cockpit car slowing me down yeah I mean I wish it was that simple but do you feel that way but do you feel that way when you see people talk about it down here for you guys I mean because you were I don't even know where you're top 10 in regular season standings obviously we're still in the round of 12 for now um but like do you feel that way yourself like do you feel like it's a down year for you guys i think when you really look at the details of it i mean it is it is not improving over last year yes but it's not like um it doesn't when you look at the when you get in the details of it yeah we're a little we haven't performed quite like we did last year but it's not like to a astronomical level

the sky is not falling we when you you know when you don't execute when you don't have a clean You know, you're not going to have the opportunity to win races. And you're not going to get those top tens and top fives that you're able to get when you have those clean days. So, yeah, I think when I was looking at it last, I mean, we'd scored like 50 or 60 less points that we did last year. It just shows that, you know, the top teams had cleaner years. But, yeah, you know, when you look at where we run and what our speed is like compared to the field. You know, I think last year, you know, we were the fastest car looking at the number. you want to look at. We're still, like, the last time I looked at it, we were top two or top three.

Maybe that's changed a little bit in the last couple of weeks. But, yeah, it doesn't take much in this next-gen era, if you will, to go from contending for race wins every single week to struggle and to finish 10th. Yeah, for sure. Hold on. Where are you? Uh-oh. What numbers you got? You are fifth and passing, ninth in defense, sixth in speed, fifth and restarts, and you pick who's 19th. Sounds like you're doing a shitty job. My guys have had a tough year. Well, I mean, the thing is, you know, I know Michael feels this way.

I know a lot of people 2311 feel this way. We don't show up just to run 10th. I don't do this just around 10th. I show up to, you know, make a difference and take a car that's capable of winning and get it to victory lane. And so, yeah, when we have days, just get away when we're capable of winning, it's frustrating for sure. For sure. And let's just, you know, now 2311, we're both over there. Let's just break down all the details of the lawsuit. You ready? Anyway, anyway, on to New Hampshire. I mean, you could talk about your day. I think they're pretty similar to ours.

Yeah, what happened? I don't really know. We were just, I mean, Tyler, I thought you had a lot more speed than we did. We just, we, we were tight. And then we got one run that was a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. And I said, all right. was that's the right direction we went further in the same direction and it got worse and then if from that point on and you know Tommy like when you come down at road you try to keep they say try to keep a wrench out of it because you know putting a put in a wet drench in or something is going to slow your pit stop down you're going to lose track position well that's what happened to us really you know we were we were 15th place car put the wedge in there you come out 20th now it's just now your balance is getting worse because you're deeper in the field and once we got back there we just couldn't get out you know we were we just stayed back there got lapped on that pit's cycle and then got trapped by 21 staying out you know caught us a lap down because everybody else could wave so just just a snowball effect of a day where we weren't very good and trying to make it better we heard our track position and then never could get it back and I think that it's kind of the same thing for you a little bit I mean not say you were a little bit better at the beginning of the race you know it I don't know if the track kind of went through a change there um and that's what

kind of took us from being on the brink of in trouble but okay to then in trouble but um yeah from from from my seat you know i thought the race started out trying to get around the 12 he just couldn't fire off very good on restarts lost a couple spots there just jammed up behind him um it seemed like once we kind of settled into uh 6th or 7th like we were decent like we were you know could run the same lap times as what was ahead of us minus the Penske cars and which forget that they were they were they were they were Yeah, we just had like weird stuff going on with the brakes all day. It felt like I was, my brakes were overheating and then they would come back and then they'd go away again.

And I think about halfway through the race, we figured out we were having a lot of material transfer and it was giving me false reads on long pedal and all sorts of stuff. So that first run, the first run and the second run, the brakes were so all over the place that I feel like our focus was kind of on that. And okay, how do we address that? Make sure we don't have an issue there. that we got a little bit behind on what does our car need? Because honestly, sometimes I go in the quarter and the brakes would work a certain way. And another time they wouldn't. So then I couldn't really get a read on the balance.

So I think we got behind there. And then we put two tires on it. I feel like at the start of stage three or something or somewhere around that caution. And yeah, we were a lot tighter on those two tires. So I was just, you know, my gauge was, okay, the two tires made us tight. We ended the race on those four tires. We were just out in right field. just way too tight.

So yeah, it is a bummer for sure. The brake issues is very difficult, those type of racetracks, you know, the miles and below, because it's either overheating or aren't you, they're too cool, right? And the material buildup is usually yet too cool. But, you know, we also run, you know,

to the everybody at home, we also run different compound pads everywhere to try to fix handling into the corner and what we're trying to do. So you're dealing with different compounds, you're dealing with overcooling, you're dealing with overheating, you're not sure how much tape you need to put on the nose to get some heat back and to get rid of the material because if you get the brakes back to getting working again,

that material kind of disappears. So it's a very fine line on that. I wanted to ask you because you're wide open all the time out there. I mean, you are 100. You were on a wide open yesterday? That would be impressive. I thought about it in the last lap. I mean, every time I, every time I don't think it would have, I think it would have been penalized, so.

But every time I'm watching, you are a hundred, you're giving that car 120%. How much of a fine line is, is a change of, like, with these cars of what you feel? Like, let's just say around the wedge, right? I mean, to the normal fan at home or the, you know, the short track race, around the wedge is not much. But with these cars, we run really stiff springs. I mean, and a lot of stuff. so it makes a difference. So, like, what is that feeling for you?

Yeah, I think, you know, when you're on one side of the balance or the other, and you can kind of operate on that same side, tight or loose, you know, those changes are somewhat manageable. I think the ones that get tricky, you know, if you've been on, if you've been fighting loose all day, an adjustment gets you way too tight, you know, I feel like you, I feel like as you run the race, you kind of develop a habit of feel of what the car is doing. You know, probably the one that's the most difficult to manage is if you've been on the tight side all day, then all of a sudden it's loose.

You know what I mean? You're trying to understand how much can I actually slide it? You know, is this slide, am I going to spin out or am I going to burn the right rear off? I think it's when the balance swings from one side to the other. Even during, even forget adjustments, right, but even through, you know, your balance migration through a run. When it does that swing, it's really hard to understand at times, even at especially at the short tracks, I feel like, okay, I got loose. Can I push it or am I going to burn my right rear off? Is this manageable? Is it sustainable? So those things are tricky. Yeah, just with the nature of this car and, you know, I feel like at the beginning everyone talked about, well, you get it loose, you can't save it.

And I feel like, you know, as drivers learn this car, I feel like that is kind of went out the window. You know, I wasn't necessarily a fan of it, but I understood it. And we went to the taller right side shark fin. God, I made this thing so much easier to drive on a mile and a half. I wasn't a fan of that. So I understand. We're trying to keep the cars on the ground. I was one of those that flipped them too.

So, yeah, just I feel like as we've learned this car, the drivers have been able to deal with that better. But yeah, you know, these things just feel so weird in the front end at times. You know, when you're really tight, I feel like you got a lot of wheel in it. And when they go loose, it feels like you're driving a go-kart or a sprint car or something. I don't know. Weird. It's like the bottom of the car likes to be close to the ground. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. How about old Corey Haim this weekend? Tied Greg Biffle's record with nine truck series wins. Corey's, he's pretty good. I got a couple more races. He's decent. You know, obviously, we beat this horse of death on here how good he is.

But Tyler, I know he's in a lot of our meetings and talk about how impressive he is from that standpoint for you for a guy that's racing trucks. But, I mean, he has a lot of input in our cup analytics meetings, especially even races. he's not even running that weekend. Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a great benefit, huge asset. You know, I appreciate the time he puts in to, you know, work on things for us, sitting in the meetings, you know, gaining information that he can use, hopefully for, for his weekend when he's, you know, running truck or maybe the Xfinity race here or there. But to just, yeah, the feedback and information he's able to give us and provide is very beneficial,

you know again i i think surely hopefully everyone's been impressed uh with what he's been able to do when he gets in the 67 um you know i was bummed i was lap down at bristol but i was you know i was proud i was really happy for him um at bristol watching him up there uh battling it out trying to trying to break inside the top five so yeah just um it's been great to spend more time around him and get to know him um and what he's about and how serious he is about it i feel like he's got a great mindset and yeah just excited to see where his career goes as he continues to and kick everyone's ass. I mean, look, he's really good, but kudos to Little Zippy. Yeah. I mean, they unload fast, they execute. That's good point. He calls a really good race. Trucks always fast. There's no issues.

I mean, it takes a it takes a lot of stuff behind the scenes to show up like that. I mean, I don't think they get, and when you're on a run like that, I don't think you get enough credit to, for everyone to understand how much is involved to be perfect, right? And they were pretty, they've been pretty much perfect at a bunch of races this year. So, I mean, he's, I think he's getting ready, he's getting closer to the old-time win list, right? Zippy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Zippy is. Yeah. And, what's that? That's nine this year. Biffles tied him, right? Yeah. It's him and Biffle. So you see the little thing Biffle had on his Instagram? No. I did look.

Oh, I know. Yeah, I saw it. He had a little lobster from, he was down in the keys it looked like, and had a little lobster and said, good job, Heim. You know, the biggest thing for this race that impressed me was, you know, obviously Zippy stayed out. There was a caution, maybe 10, 15 last before the end of a stage that a lot, majority, the field pitted and was going to flip.

And if you're trying to just win the race, that's the opportunity you just flip. And but Zippy stayed out was, you know, knew that his truck was good enough to where he can get that extra playoff point, win the stage. Corey restarted like 17th, I want to say. And, I mean, he buzzed through the first, you know, I don't know, five or ten guys. But then, you know, it's settled out to where he was going to be like six or seven. Then he methodically just drove his way. There was no panic.

You know, a lot of times you see like a young guy like that. Fuck, you just ruin my track position now. How am I going to get back? And you make mistakes. Corey just kind of eased his way back up there. Got to like third or fourth by the end of the stage. Had a restart. I think they came off pit road first or something.

He was right back to leading and won the race. Shout out to Michael, Christopher Jr. did a, I mean, from Friday to Saturday to Saturday was a new guy, and I think it was just a matter of him getting comfortable. Like, I feel like if he could have run practice after the race and if he's just got to redone the whole weekend again, he'd probably go to run top 10. Yeah, I mean, he made a lot of calls to a lot of people Friday. Yeah, I know. You know, he even called Luke, you know, it was like, because Luke had to learn the same

way as Mike did, and he called priests. He just, he didn't understand a couple things of what he was feeling getting into the corner, and he, and also he thought he had to run two laps and qualifying. That was, yeah, instead of one. So that kind of, but we modified you run two laps everywhere, right? Did they get him a match test you in three? No, he didn't, no, he didn't run the second lap, but he just did not have maximum momentum off of four coming to green. He was taken off.

I'm like, what is he doing? I don't know. But yeah, he made up far past a lot of trucks. And, you know, hey, you know, kudos to Al Hanky with Mohawk, Northeast. He really takes care of us. A lot of people. Yes, yes. You know, he's been taking care of Luke and, you know, for a while now.

And he's been taking care of Michael and obviously priests. You know, we were up there one long, long time ago testing New Hampshire. We brought priests up and we met with Al and myself. And that's what started that relationship. Oh, man, Christopher, Mike Christopher Sr., he texts me a very long time ago about Al and, you know, he wanted, it was interested. And I was like, no, you don't call him. I want Michael, Jr. to call him.

I want you to write, write a letter to him or write an email to him, but I want it from Mikey Jr. And Mikey was only 16, 17 years old at the time, but that's what they did. And now Michael Jr. even works for Al at MoMAHoc Northeast. So it takes care of a lot of people in a dirt world. He loves racing. But kudos to him of taking care of. these kids getting up to the next level i mean he he is probably 80% responsible 90% responsible priest getting to where he is today so i just want to give a shout out to al and everything that he

does for all that's racers yeah and i got i also have to give a shout of the geo um that was the best race he's run since i've been spawning for him overall i mean he did a really good job of darlington and unfortunately got defense with like three to go but this race he did a really really good job and he probably should he probably deserved to finish second we kind to we kind of had a play a little defense for the 11 on the last restart. We kind of, we just chose the bottom because we didn't, the 38 had to win. And we didn't want to give him a shot at the front row to maybe run. I think that, I think that, you know, the top was preferred.

And I think we could have ran second just follow the 11 by in one and two and maybe run second. But, you know, just kind of making sure that nothing stupid happened on the last restart on the front row. We came out of there fourth. But he did a really good job that one run. He was definitely better than the leader. He was all over him. But he didn't make a mistake. didn't overcook a corner like you see a lot of young guys do it and get into the guy and wreck him or wrecked both of you.

He was really patient and just took what came to him and he's been getting much better with that lately. You know, just kind of taking what comes to you and doing a good job. So I think Darlington is going to be a turning point for him, his confidence level. And you know, you know, tell us about that, Tyler. I mean, just the confidence level of having a good race, putting it all together, they're meshing with, you know, finally meshing with the spotter, the crew chief, having a good day on pit road. How does that affect your brain going into the next week?

I haven't had that in a while. I can't. It's big. You know, I'd say especially when you're young and you're trying to learn all these things and, like I said, put it all together. When you finally have that day go well, it's, I don't know, for me, when I experienced it, was like, man, we finally did it. We had a good day.

but for me immediately my mind would go to okay well i made a mistake here and here and here and you quickly add up how you could have won the race but i think that's the point at all is like have the clean day see what it's like to have the clean day um and if you know then you build on it it's like okay what little things could i have changed to possibly get a spot here get a spot there um i think that's just you know part of learning but when you have that first one um where the day goes right and you have all the things kind of go smoothly it's like i think two things that happen you're like damn that was not necessarily easy yeah that wasn't crazy that wasn't chaotic you know we had a smooth day and we ran we ran top five wow that was really nice and then you can just

maybe if you want to get a little more aggressive here there or whatever you kind of can but um yeah i remember getting going for me racing trucks it it definitely took me while to have that first real clean day and um it's it's great for just your confidence going home it's great to you know typically if you have a clean day, you also have a clean truck. There's not a lot of stuff you have to fix. You can just go right back to work to building your next piece and getting it ready for the next weekend. So, yeah, it's a big deal, especially when you're young,

trying to get your mind right. That's what I preach to the guys like Dean and Gio, especially helping the younger guys that are like Dean's first year, Xenity, obviously Gio's first year really in the truck or any, you know, top three series. But if you're just like, Dean, the beginning of year was getting in the fence early in the race, doing damage to the car.

And I was like, man, if you could just figure out how to get to stay. three on the lead lap we are going to run top 15 every week and and he like I don't think a lot of people saw that coming from dean this year I think a lot of people when you know when Sam announced that the beginning of the year there was a lot of people like the fucks he doing with this guy this guy's awful all he did was wreck trucks every week and I'm like I see in truck races last year he had speed he knew what he was doing and he made mistakes you know and if you can just clean up those mistakes and that's what Dean's done this year I mean he's 14th 15th I don't know somewhere in

points you know but he runs top 15 every week and it's just after those first three weeks of getting there we're like all right just don't race on these restarts like just let him get away from you. Your car's fast enough. You can go by these guys in a couple laps. And we get to the point now you're on stage, you know, your stage three. He's already now. He's got the track figured out.

He's doing a good job in the car. And he can drive up to 10th or 12th. You know, Bristol was another great example. He was going to run sixth or seventh. We got behind on one adjustment. He drove right back up into 12th from like 20th. So these guys just, like you said, like once you figure it's almost easy. Like once it clicks for them like, holy shit, I don't have to run a thousand percent every lap.

I don't have to try so hard. Like it's just, oh, okay. Sometimes these races just come to me. I'm going to hate saying this, but kudos to the 77 yesterday. Oh, shit. I hate I'm saying this. I hate him saying this, but I watch, I had a, you know, where we were pitted, some bitch did a good job.

He didn't run into anybody, right? He didn't cause it. He had a clean day. He ran in the top 10 all day because he didn't run into anybody and hurt his car, right? And that's what I've been saying all in the beginning with him. It's just the kid gets, he short circuits there, but he didn't yesterday. And again, he did a good job. I think he finished ninth, the tenth, I mean, do you think some of the reason why, you know,

and it wasn't, I don't know if I had this excuse coming in, but like, do you feel like some of the reason why these young kids, can't believe I'm old enough to say that? I know, you're not saying that. Do you think the reason some of that is because, you know, when they watch the truck series, Xfinity series, Cup series, all we do. is you got to win, you got to win, you got to win. So when you get your chance to get in a truck or an Xfinity car, you're like, I got to win the race. It's my first race.

I got to win the race. Do you think that's any of that plays into it a little bit? I think it all depends on the equipment in the end and what you have going on. I mean, a lot of people wrecked because, you know, you're not in there, you know. Yeah, good point. You know what I'm saying? So it's a little bit different of a situation. I mean, you know, the 70, kid in the 77, he's taking that stuff and everybody.

he's growing that deal. And then you got McDowell right behind him, who is very smart, meticulous, and, you know, that whole team has run well in the past, and they're clicking, right? They're running good. So, Seven's struggling a little bit, and I still don't think it's about the driver

because I worked with that driver last year, and I know how good he is. He's all about confidence, and he's all about, you know, he needs a push. You know, Justin's somebody that needs somebody behind him that that gives him the confidence to go do what he does. Yeah, some drivers have too much of it. Some drivers tear themselves down too easy.

Yeah. So everyone needs a little. Yeah, so he, you know, and I feel that once they start clicking a little bit better, he'll start running well too. But that team's on a growing, but it takes races like that, right? Not bringing home everything in a junk pile, right? learning, creating a notebook on something like you said earlier, right? Mentally for the driver, too.

It's just as much for the team, but it's creating a mental notebook for the driver, right? Now he knows he doesn't have to run into anybody to finish in the top 10. Funny meet us talking about this. I was like, well, you know, I'm remembering my first NASCAR race. I mean, I think I ran two arc races, but my first K&N race was at Rockingham. And then Brett. Is that the 21? Yeah, well, he wrecked on the backstretch.

Yeah. Yeah. So maybe that's why I wrecked so much when I got in the truck. I'm like, I got to wreck this guy. I got to wreck someone or myself to try and win the race every weekend. I want to talk about Steve Bird. I don't know a lot of people know Steve Bird, you know, because he's, you know, years and years ago. But he started real early with Race Hill Farms with Ron Bouchard when they won Talladegh.

He was with that team. And gotten a little funk down there and came back up. North, and I got a chance to spend a couple years with him because he was a crew chief for Dick Traynor for a couple years, you know, with the modified. So we traveled together all throughout the Northeast. And then he went back down south and had a lot of success, won championships with Randy Lejoy as a crew chief. Robbie Moroso, he was going to, you know, they were moving into the cup together, and he

was his crew chief. And then went to Randy and won championships. But Steve Bird was one of the best Bush crew chiefs ever. and I just want to give a shout out to Steve Byrd. He's kept a quiet life lately. He didn't want to really let anybody know he was sick. But he was a really good guy, hard worker. I had a lot of people along the way he taught and to become racer.

So I just wanted to give a shout out to Steve Bird. I think I noticed there was a, I think there was a birdie sticker on your late model this weekend from Archie. Yeah. You know, I got to learn a little bit about him on Friday night and just, you know, a lot of the guys up there knew him. whether they worked with him or friends with him or obviously knew about his accomplishments. So, yeah, it was cool to hear some stories about him on Friday. It's a shame to hear the passing. Yeah.

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That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right. Spot on, spot off. Denny Hamlin bumps and wrecks Ty Gibbs in stage two racing for 11th. Denny said on the radio,

Are they afraid to talk to him? That's what I feel like. They're just scared of him. Ty Gibbs also says on the radio, I ain't taking no more shit. Game on. Where's the bathroom? Denny's great.

Denny's great. Is that what you said? Do you want me to ask one of you too? Ask me. Ask me. Tell me. I can tell you one thing. When this guy said you better get on the bandwagon or get run over by it, he wasn't fucking around, okay? Yeah.

Well, I mean, have you studied how it all went down? I didn't. I saw the very, I saw the very end of it. But from what I understand, it was fairly warranted. Does everybody understand that that 54, the 42, 72, 77 did a good job. job, but they're really a pain in the ass trying to pass, right? It's going to happen. And guess who got into the wall, who ended up in the wall, right?

I mean, when I saw yesterday the 35 and the 42 going to corner turn one, I'm like, within two laps, one of those guys are going to wreck, right? Because they know how to race, but they're not polished. They're not, like, they're not at the point in their minds of going, you see it, right? they're not in the points in their mind of going, okay, wait a minute, just for one second, right? They're just on kill all the time, and it's going to get them in trouble, and it gets them in trouble. And I don't, I'm not, I don't think it was 100% Denny's fault, in my opinion. I mean, I just, I watched it, you know, two laps before that, starting to happen.

And it's like, come on, man, know where you're at, right? Know what this guy's racing for. You know, there's two guys. There was 11 and a 20 for, point. right at the time, right? You're a teammate. Yeah, I know you want to win your first race, but you're not going to win that race, right? You should already know who's already going to win that race. Give up a little space. Save your car a little bit. Get behind them. Maybe learn a little bit of something. Go do what you got to do. Follow them through the pack after that.

You know, if you give a little bit and it's time to take a little bit from that guy you just gave, how much easier it is to pass that next time? Most of the time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you get it back. And that was something I had to learn to, you know, my experiences with that. Yeah. You know, I feel like my third, fourth race in the Cup series, me and Boyer were racing for 15th. I was taking it on his torch every quarter. He eventually shot me out of the way. But yeah, I mean, it takes time to learn those things.

But the way this car is, I mean, you can be much slower than somebody. and if you do a good job, you can pretty much keep them from passing you. But yeah, that's all I got. Yeah, and it's, you know, we do it. Well, hold on. I know you're kind of, but with what you have going on inside the race car, talk about when you're in that situation,

what would you do? Like, forget about that, but take all the things that you have learned until, you know, from yesterday, you know, up until yesterday, what you do differently from how you did it in the beginning. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I've, you know, I've always maybe, maybe, I've taken it too far at times, but I feel like I always race my teammates. Forget about teammates.

Anybody. Anybody. Yeah, I mean, yeah, when it comes to that, I mean, yeah, when you're racing anybody, you know, you, if you haven't race with them before, you're like, okay, let's see how they race, what it's going to be like. And yeah, if the tone is set early, it's like, okay, this one, you know, there's, there's obviously guys in the, in the cup field that are this way. and you're like, all right, I've made note. Every time I'm around this guy, I'm pretty much just going to have to, you know, not mess with them, not really, you know, you unfortunately sacrifice being somewhat respectful just to get it over with. So, yeah, I feel like you just take notes, right? And obviously, some drivers, something may change, you know.

Maybe you have a run in with a guy, you know, that you have to be a little bit more respectful the next time you're around him. Yeah, I just feel like you build that notebook over time. when you race with different drivers throughout the field. And, yeah, sometimes, you know, you're able to learn something, meaning, you know, if you race someone bad for, you know, a couple years, maybe you're able to, you know, eventually, you know, maybe I should let that guy go. And then, you know, next thing you know, next week, the favors being returned somewhat. That's my point.

That's what I was hoping that. Yeah. I mean, listen, that's happened with like, like an example for Bubba's like Bowman. You know, we've obviously had run-ins, but then like you see one time he lets us go and then the next time, you know, it gets returned. You know, that's like like, it's like, okay, that's over with, you know. But in this situation, and I always feel like the, I want to say, I don't know how to put it,

but like the faster car has the right away. I don't give a shit about the points and who's in the point. Like if it's the rolls are reversed and Denny's holding up, Ty, you know, Ty's got a fast race car and Denny's holding them up. Then I think it's on Denny to cut Ty a break because you can tell me you're racing for points, but I don't care that you're, you know, I still, Ty's got a job to do. And if he's, you know, in this point, Danny's getting held up. So he should have cut Danny into 20 a break. I think let them go continue on, maybe chase down a couple more stage points because that's obviously what's important

right now. But at the same time, if at the rolls of reverse and Ty's got a fast race car, like, and you're holding him up, Danny's putting himself in position where he could get the same thing. And I've never seen Denny. No, no, I'm not saying he would. Unless it's the five to go or ten to go. I'm not saying he. I'm just saying in general. But again, I'm talking about person driver to driver, right? You know, to me, Denny and Christopher has earned that respect, right? How they race, right? How they race on the track, what they do, you know?

You never restarts, you know, I think Denny, he doesn't go as quick as he needs to go in the beginning on restarts for a reason, right? Because he wants to settle in and doesn't hurt the tires in the beginning of a run. And next thing you know, 20 laps in, he's carving, right? That's what Denny does. Long run, Denny's one of the best race car drivers out there on the long run. long runs, right? This was into a long run. This was, this was, stuff was starting to happen. Handling was starting to come into play, right? If you were a little tight, you know, our right side tires were wearing yesterday. They did their job. It was really good racing yesterday. I mean, there was no,

everything was going exactly, I think, how good you had planned it yesterday. Probably could the tire be a little softer on the, on the left side? Probably to be better. Yeah. But it was good racing yesterday. And I just think when you get to a point like that and you're looking at look at all three teammates, it shouldn't have got to that point. No. Oh, we got a little screen down here. Yeah, yeah, we got, we can't show it. We can't show it, but

we're only allowed to show flow, right? Yeah, flow. And if you want to see, if you want to have a flow subscription for yourself, you can go to flow sports.com link slash door bumper clear. The thing that, you know, and listen, you know, you heard Danny get critical of Ty and people not being going to want to talk to him. Ty, it's, it's

I don't know how to say probably because I don't know Ty very well. I mean, I knew him a little bit when he came over and he was, you know, fun to be around then. But he just like, and I don't know him off the race track much, you know, but like it just strikes me as a guy that's not having fun all year. And I know the results aren't there. So that's obviously weighs heavily on him.

I know Chase going over there and winning races and polls is not helping the fact that he hasn't won. But he just looks to me and listen, the kid's been through a lot the last handful of years. You know, that's got a way heavily on him too. but you know it's just we talked about this with bubba and i think that's why you see bubba have the big change this year where we got just made sure the focus was on we're going to have fun and and i feel like tiler you know this not that yesterday was not a fun day but at the end of the day like like does that really matter you know what i mean like at the end of the day does running 27th or wherever the fuck we finish yesterday is in the greater scream of things does that really matter like obviously

it's sucked yesterday probably going to knock us out of the playoffs but like what that's such a small thing in this world of, you know, everything that's going on. Like, I feel like they just need to figure out how to get this kid back to being a, having fun and enjoying being in the race car. Because I just don't see that from time. Maybe you, I don't know, you're in more meetings with him than in. What time is that meeting today, by the way? I mean, we might want to go.

Yeah, it's in a little bit. But, I mean, I don't know how much you see or how much you even want to comment on it. But just, for me, that's what it seems like to me. It's just a kid that's not enjoying what he's doing and, and you see mistakes and then compounded with other mistakes. And it's just snowballs all year. Well, I mean, well, I'll speculate on your on your point there, right? And what I mean there is when I first got in cup racing, you know, obviously for me, I'll step in in the A car, you know, trying to turn things around, get the program going in the right direction.

You know, for me, the cup series is just really tough, obviously. And I feel like when I ran the trucks, you know, I was able to win some races, have a shot of championship one. time the 15th Series obviously it worked out twice um when you take that last step man it's just like again all these little things just matter so much more all the little details all these all these decisions that you have to make in the race car and it's just man it's tough i you know not just tie but other you know i wouldn't even call them rookies anymore but some that are rookies some that have been doing this for a couple years that are still trying to win that first race this this deal will eat away at you

if you're not careful, you know, the pressure, the expectations of, you know, when you're, when you're a driver, you want to go into the Cup Series of win races. And it's just, it's extremely hard. And so it's just, yeah, you got to, it's important, I think, especially off of bad weeks, like the weeks we just, we just, we just experienced to go back to the basics. Why do you love it? Why do you, why do you? Why do it? And just kind of start over, you know, the weight of it all, you know, the expectations can just eat away at you. Teddy Christopher, right? What he used to say?

12 o'clock on Sunday, reset. Yeah. I try to reset by like 3.30 on Monday. After the meeting. It takes you a little extra time. If I reset by the time I get in my car and drive home, then I just get pissed off again by the end of the day on Monday. That's fair.

Fair enough. Everybody's a little different. Usually Teddy was the one that was doing all the wrecking. So it was easy for him to reset. You know, listen. Reckin people. Tye's a talent race guard driver. He's got a ton of speed.

He's going to win races eventually. It's just got a matter of cleaning up those mistakes, I think. Because you see it early in races. You know, he gets in the fence and stuff like that. And then you're damaged and mistakes get compounded or a pit road mistake gets compounded by trying too hard to make up for the pit road mistake. It's just, he's just in a bad spot right now and he's got to dig his way out of it, I think. Yeah. More drivers should have stayed out after Josh Berry and Chase Elliott both finished top five.

Spot on, spot off. Freddie. I think it's easy to say spot-on hindsight, but Tommy, you know this. Like, it's very car dependent, first of all. You know, the 21 was a missile all day. So he could stay out pretty much do whatever. He wanted to be better than most guys. I think if we were to try to stay out and restart top five, we would have got run over.

Well, the 21 and the 9 would look, one of the last ones to pit. Yeah, on that. During that cycle. So it was a little bit easy of a choice. Plus, they'd had nothing to lose, right? The nine car needed to take a shot there to get up in points. So, yeah, I mean, it's just, I was surprised, you know, he held on, the 21 held on that long. Held on, and I thought he was better.

Yeah, he had a really good car. But, again, little Blaney put on a clinic yesterday. Man, the car was so good. When he got, when they took four that one time and he had to come through those guys, it just, and again, I'm going to keep harping us. It's respect, right? everybody's looking in the mirror knows how good he was. It's a lot easier to go by people when everyone's like, man, the guy's three-tenths faster to me. I mean, what am I going to do?

You know, he just going to court and getting the bottom, going into one, set you up, and he was gone. But, I mean, he put on it. The car was incredible. I mean, tell us how fun it is to drive something like that. I mean, no, it's been a while, right? Because you're going to say it's been a while, but you've been in that position before. I mean, that's, well, it adds to the frustration of this year. I feel like we've had cars like that a few times this year.

Um, you know, one that comes to mind for me was, uh, the 600. I, it was a long night. Rookie was born at like 220 in the morning. Uh, I don't think I went to bed till 7.30 or 8 o'clock in the morning. And then I'm, we had like a short hour nap. Anyways, I think I slept like a total of two and a half, three hours or something like that when it was all said and done rolling into the 600. And I remember starting that race and I'm like, eh, I'm starting like 12th or something. I'm just going to take it easy.

save my energy in case I need it, you know, because I just, I have not ran a race this tire ever. And it was funny. I remember starting the race just, I remember I like lifted early getting into one. I was just letting those guys go around the top. And I like pass like two of them getting to the center. I'm like, oh, okay, well, this car basically drove, the car basically drove itself to the front of the 600. We obviously eventually fell behind an adjustments that night. But when you have cars like that, I mean, it's just, it's special.

You know, you feel like you're really able to get in the zone, understand where your car's at, what it's doing, when it's driving that good, and I don't know, I feel like I'm able to keep up with it well. But, yeah, when you have a car like that, you know, those days, the little things like losing a couple spots in the restart, whatever, you know, lose two spots on Perry Road. Don't care. You know, you're able to stay really locked in because you know that if I just do my part,

like you said, you're going to find your way back to the front and you're going to drive away with it. When you make these calls, Tommy, I know a lot of times, like, you know, if we're running mid-bed, pack. I don't remember where the 21 was probably decent and I don't remember where the nine was at. But, you know, a lot of times the crew chief will tell you something like if we can be front row, stay out, if not come. And that's because just clean air, you know, like it's, it's, you know, you don't want to be a guy. You know, that's what I'm talking about why did more guys stay out. You know, the, you don't want to be, first of all, you don't want to ever be the last guy on

tires usually or the last guy not on tires, I should say with, with all the tires lined up behind you. But then once you get, like in your row two or even, but three, four with two tires and there's fresh tires behind you, it's not going to play out the same way it did for these guys. So, you know, I think that's what leads you to not make that call, right? If you're seeing you're not going to be the first one on two tires, it's not going to be beneficial to you to put two on or none on. Well, when you get to that point, you also do know if you do stay out, the guys probably directly behind you only did take two, right?

So there might be a little bit of handling an issue. You know, you have to do a little bit different things with air pressure on the right side tires when you do right sides only. So it might be just like you're taking a little bit of chance, but you're not taking as much chance when you know everybody's going to come in and take four, right? When there's a high grip, you know, a low grip racetrack and you know you're screwed. But that was a little bit different situation. Again, the 21 and a 9 were the one of the last cars two pit during that cycle. I felt that they felt probably eight, seven, eight less laps on their tires than the 12 car was the first one.

which, you know, I was surprised he said he was the one. As far out as he was in the lead, he was the one that came in first to set the tone. But I felt that they were at the point. They were far enough away, you know, from second place when they came back out. They weren't going to be a lap down. I feel like maybe that had something to do with it. Yeah. You know, hey, we got this lead.

Let's, you know, if we have any, even if we have a slight hiccup on pit road, we should be able to stay on lead lap. I feel like that probably played into it and just get over with. Yep. They got two, three seconds ahead. calculated. They knew they were going to come back out still in the lead lap. Cause should come out. They're going to be first anyway, right? So, you know, I was very calculated, good call on the crew chief on Blaney's car there as well. I mean, they executed all day. I mean,

look, they could have messed up when they did four, right? They could have, you know, Joey didn't get back up there, you know, at the end of the race as fast as he was. That could have been a, again, dirty air, could have pushed him back, could have, you know, But the car was good enough that he took four, went by the guys that took two, and it was just dominant all day, man. It was fun to watch. Chris Gaphart says, with this arrow package, with the same tires at Phoenix on a one-mile track,

the Penske cars are completely untouchable again. Spot on, spot off, Tommy. Yeah, they're pretty good. Spot on for yesterday. Yeah, I mean, you know, they went and tire tested there. And you know, when you go tire test in any place, you're going to gain a lot of information. Yeah.

And, you know, I don't know. I can't, I don't even know anybody from. Chris Verbelle tested. So he went. So it was same type of, you know, it was pretty equal. Everyone went and learned they just, them guys are good, man. When it's time to turn on, I said it two, three months ago, you know, just they

know when to really throw everything at it and turn it on. I knew in practice we were all in trouble because I looked and we were, we were a little bit off, obviously. But so I'm trying to see who the best is to compare all the half times of them. And I'm like, all right, these guys are all right. just better. Everybody's running a 40. Everybody's in the 40s.

And I'm scanning less ago. Or the 12 is running tens. I said running mid-teens. And I'm like, oh, shit. I said, this guy is three-tenths pattern everybody. And it lasted for pretty much the entirety of the run. Same thing out of the 21. Yeah.

First group. I was like, oh, boy. And you just saw it in the race. Like, you know, whoever was here last week. I can't remember right now. But they said that, oh, Burton said that, you know, the 22 was lightning fast at the test. And it backed it up this week with the, with all those guys because they were they were

legitimately untouchable yesterday i even like the two car was getting trapped in traffic back with us a couple times and you could just see his capability was 10 times more than what we had obviously we were struggling but he could just throttle up in the center of the corner basically drive by us and i was like okay that must be nice to have you could see it right as it get in the corner that those cars could the left front was already starting to turn where everybody else couldn't it was just yeah when you when you look at all the details of it it just yeah the driving style How much, Tommy, how much is this, what's the word, like just politicking on Gabe Hart's part?

Because, I mean, they're not, obviously, they're not going to, they're not going to make, I don't see any major arrow or tire changes coming for the championship race, right? I mean, it's not going to, that's pretty much set. So, I mean, you know, like, is this just him trying to get them to take a closer look at what they got going on? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think it's that, but it's also, you know, probably point of frustration, right? like yeah it's it's you know their dominance of phoenix has been noted but yeah hasn't changed you know you look at other flat racetracks and it's like they're able to have the same success you know what

mean and i guess what i might take away from it is is whatever it is that's working works at all of these places you know what i mean and i think you would think of it's something like that it's something that you know whether it's 2311 jGR or hendrick these other teams would be able to find it, you know, and match it. And so I think that's probably, I take, I'm taking, I hear the Paul taking, but I also see this, I'm feeling a sense of frustration. Where is it? Where is it?

Yeah. If it's this big and it's this good and it works this well at all these different, you know, Loudoun and Phoenix, yeah, they're flat racetracks, but they are different, you know, if it, if it's working all these places, how we not found it. Tommy, why? You mean, this is all you're the only one in the room that may know this, but like, it wasn't like this a gateway a couple weeks ago. I mean, what was the difference there? Like they didn't, they weren't as,

and last year they were, I felt like last year. Strategy helped the last year, but they didn't have this raw speed where they could just drive by us at Gateway. Wasn't time yet, maybe. Yeah, honestly, I mean, that's, you know, because we talked about last week, the first round's a lot easier to get out of than this round,

and now it's here. You know, and then you see two weeks later, their lights out faster than everybody. They know how to play. Oh, they know how to play a game. They've done it better than anybody the last whatever it's been, three or four years.

Roger Penske. He is a great leader and he knows business very well and knows how to when to attack and when not to. That's pretty much it. All right. Both 2311 cars are already in a must win position after a bad day at New Hampshire. Spot on, spot off. Tyler. I got to go to the bathroom again.

I think you could win Kansas. Come on. No, we'll say, yeah, but say are we in a must win? Yes, but I think you guys can win Kansas. Well, we both can't. Well, one of us can. You guys are going to have to rock paper, scissors for it or something. I'm going to end up being like that one.

I mean, I think, you know, are both of them? I don't know if we both are, but I think it's very possible that leaving Kansas, one of us will be. Meaning, you know, for one to have a good day and close the gap, the other can't have as good of a day. And I don't know. I mean, I feel like we typically perform pretty equally well, right? But, yeah, it's a tough hole. You know, we were able to eliminate a 20-point gap pretty easily in the round of 16. And the round of 12, it gets harder.

Yeah. And I don't know, you know. You have two shots. I feel like guys. Emerson has one. Well, there's a problem with the other shot. Emerson has one. There's a big problem with Tyler's other shot.

Yeah. There's a guy from fucking New Zealand here that's a little hard. I tell you what, he was driving mad after he got wrecked. Yeah, he was driving. He was on the wheel pretty aggressively. I was laughing. I mean, unfortunately, he was the expense of Barry, but I was sitting there. I'm like, man, Shane is just, I mean, he's getting after it.

These guys are trying to crowd him. He says, nope, you're not crowd me. I'm getting into you. And when him and Barry wrecked off two, I didn't realize they were wrecked until it was, I mean, they were wrecked. On your nose. Because the last two or three corners, they'd come off the corner looking just like that. And I think I was racing the five to my outside.

And so I saw them get into each other. I'm like, how they've done that last three lapses? And it was like, oh, shit, they're wrecking. Josh over. So, I mean, things would have to go. We would have to have almost a strong enough day where we were in contention to win all day long but didn't win. You'd have to have top two or three stage points every stage and finish second or third to come out of the. there. I don't even know that you'd still come out of there

above the cut line, but I think you have to approach it like where must win. You know, that's because you said we have to have probably back to back 45, 50 point days to get out of that point hole. So that's unlikely. And it's unlikely at a place like the Roval, especially because you don't get to do both. Like at Kansas,

you can go be really good and you can run top three in each stage and top three in the race. The Roval, I don't think you can do that. Because if you're going to run top three in the race, you've probably got to sacrifice stage points. You know, you got to flip those stages. So what are you going to do? Like, yeah, you can go chase stage points and get 20 stage points for winning the stage.

And we did this in 23, I think. We needed points. So we, I thought we, hindsight, we made a mistake. We were, Tyler was, I think, the fastest car. We were right there with him. We were actually really good. And I think if we had flipped the stages, I think AJ ended up winning the race. And we were both much better than him.

We, if we just flipped the stages and ran with AJ, Bubba might have won the race and transferred that way. but we chased points and got points. We got first and second stage points. I think both stages, but then we heard our overall finish and didn't get the finishes we deserved. But the roval is a place where it's hard to have those 50, 60 point days, unless you're Shane.

So you got to bank them this week and see what happens. And that's what's going to make. We don't, we don't, as an industry, as the race teams, we don't really like going to the roval, right? I mean, we'd rather go somewhere else. Yeah. But that race is... I might be one of the few that you love it.

Yeah. But you prefer it over the Charlotte Oval? That's where it's really tough. I mean, if we weren't going to have... Yeah, I would imagine if we weren't running the Oval, we'd run the Oval. But I know it's very different by nature of what defines a road course. But for... I don't know, it's just such a challenging track.

I really do enjoy it. The changes they made to the hairpin or to the infield exiting onto the oval. I thought that was great. Yeah, it's very tricky, but I know that's the tough part. Do you plan on Rol or Rovell? Do you plan on Rekindini again there? Or is that last year? I don't know.

Maybe today's not going to. Yeah, we'll see how to have a meeting. Maybe he needs to. My only thing I was going to say. Are you going into meeting? You are allowed to. No, no, no, no, I'm not going to the meeting. I'm not going to that one.

One thing I was going to say about the roble, which has been nice for us the last two years. I think I've gone into this race below the cut line the last two years. Oh, so confidence is there. I mean, last year. I mean, last year. was dramatic as it could get, you know, with the damage we had, pretty much we're done. And then we finally got it right and drove back up there. So, yeah, we've gone into the roval with points not on our side.

We've been able to get out of it. I just think we got to, we got to get to minus seven or six or something like that. There's going to be a lot. I guess what I was saying, getting to is there's going to be a lot of strategy going into that race of where you want to run, who are you going to run against, where they, what their thought process is just, are they going to go for stage points? They're going to flip the stage.

What do we need to do? I think he might as well go for stage points because 88's not in the playoffs anymore. He's going to run straight up. Good luck passing him. He's pretty good, right? He's really good. He's really good.

Last week on Hollertalk, NASCAR says that they're looking at adding a fourth stage at Talladega to combat excessive fuel saving by the teams. Ready? I think I'll be careful what you wish for. I think that, you know, everybody thinks they want these guys to race wide open the whole time and you don't. The reason why these races are even remotely entertaining now

is because half the field saving fuel and a couple guys like Cody at Daytona just want to take off and go lead. So it makes the racing exciting. You get a third lane. I think if you tell us we're just going to run wide open the whole time, you're going to see a lot of two by two or single file left top. Just, uh, flex forward the race to,

you know, 30 or 40 to go after we've made our last pit stop and just. just watch that on repeat for. Yeah. And like you said, like Formula One race. Yeah. It's,

you know, and you could, like being out of the race at Daytona early, I was able to sit up there and watch. And you could literally just watch the lap time. And I want to say it was like a 47 flat. And if it was, they were running 47 80s and 90s and you can see him third lane would form.

And then once we ran 47th, like Lugano was leading the lane, I think. And once he decided, all right, I'm going to stop saving fuel and run a 47 flat. The top lane disappeared. We got two by two and nobody could go anywhere.

then somebody would jumble the field up a little bit, and the pack would go back to 4780s or 48, flat, here comes the third lane again. Then it would just be a continuous thing. Once they step on the gas and run the second faster, there goes the third lane. It's gone. So, you know, at the end, it got a little racy

because guys were getting hung in the middle and guys didn't want to push and because of playoff situations and whatnot. But I think if you say, here's, you know, four, 50 lap stages, go whatever the fuel window is, 40 laps, you know, just go run wide open. It's just going to play it off and put Martinsville tires on it. I mean, the other thing, too, for me is, you know, I just don't believe that a speedway race should be more valuable for points than...

Exactly. I understand the 600 having, you know, the four stages that I completely... I'm cool with that. You know, that's a crown jewel event. And if you're earning... And you're earning... More points than a regular race under no circumstances. I at least, you know, appreciate that they're looking, okay, how can we make this better?

But they need to understand that this is not the answer. It's the car. Yeah. You know, it's... Why are we saving fuel? Well, the reason we're saving fuel is because when we're going all out, we can't pass one another. You know, how we leave pit road, unless we get doubled up. That's it.

Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize that because they're like, why didn't we save fuel in the old car? I'm like, because we could pass. You could make moves in the old car. You can pack around someone's left rear. Put them top of three wide. Yeah. You can shut people out.

You could do all sorts of things. You know, you had that, you know, I feel like, you know, I remember running the arc of cars and that that bubble was too big. But like when you'd run the cup car or the Xfinity car, you could dice things up. If you're like, all right, it's time to go. You could move between the lanes. You could force middle. You could find your way to the front. With this car, it's, you know, it's so disheartening at times, right?

Like you want to be aggressive when you're sitting 20th, but your only hope of marching forward is by just hoping other people get impatient. And Dale talked about this, I think it was last week on his show. do you feel like the Daytona 500 has lost a little bit of its allure from a driver's standpoint? Like it's is it is it mean less now the way we race versus maybe when you started like your first couple years in the 500 because I mean it's still a Daytona 500. But I feel I kind of feel like it's just another race now because it's not I don't we don't have the same ability. It's not falling that far. But I mean, I hate to even answer that question. But I mean, if I'm being honest, yes.

For me, it has lost some of it because of the way the racing plays out. You know, I feel like, yeah, it's always been about drafting and who can, you know, who can control the race. And that's still super important. But, yeah, just the way that we've gotten to, you know, we're all saving fuel. Yeah, I mean, I guess with the old car, you know, Penske was super dominant on the speedways. I guess, you know, they do the best job of working with what we have now and they still, you know, control the race. But I wish it was more so in the driver and in the team's hands when it comes to the car. Yeah, the Penske car certainly when they get lined up on a speedway, they are very fast.

But I feel like even with all those things said, they still have to win the race a different way through the strategy or whatever it might be. Yeah, I felt like, I mean, Tommy, you did this. I mean, you won fucking Daytona 500 before. So like if you, I felt like before this car, if you had it, you would know on Thursday, I've got a shot to win the Daytona 500. You know, this thing is a rocket ship. You know, qualifying even. But after Thursday, the duels, see how it drafts. Like, we've gone in 23-11.

We had really good cars there. And you go into Sunday. Like, it really doesn't matter. As long as we were there at the end, we've got a shot at this thing. And now it's like, I don't know, we'll see what the fuck happens on the last pit stop. You know, it's like. Yeah. It's crazy.

Like this year, again, I'm running. I don't know. We had a bad pit stop or the final cycle didn't go good. And I'm running like 20th on the. the green white checker, or whatever it was at the end there. Yeah, they finished. I was like running the 18th on the last lap. They all crash and finished second.

I know, I know, I'm... I did nothing to get to second place. I know it keep beating this drum, but I still think of Daytona, we can do a better job with the tire as well. I just think the tire is too hard. But yeah, no, that's a good point. You know, one thing... Yeah, when we run the summer race there, I love how the tire...

I mean, I wish the right rear would wear out a little bit, but this car is hard to drive when that happens. But when we go there in the, well, I mean, you just spin out, I think, to some degree with how those cars. I mean, well, there you go. If the right rear wears out big time, maybe you can't run them the way that we do at the speedway. So, you know what I mean, maybe you have to think about the handling a little bit more. Right. That changes.

The summer race. We'll adapt to it. We'll adapt to what we need to do with the tire, right? We won't, I mean, again, we're solid. We're pretty much solid in the back, right? Whether it's like the summer. race at Daytona or the summer race at Atlanta, man, just the amount of extra work it puts on the tires to where they really do begin to wear out, you know, 20, 30 laps in makes it makes it a lot

of fun to race and drive. I think we even did that. I mean, I know we had the big rack in Atlanta too early, but I know we were kind of running towards the back and we're like, let's fire four tires on that thing. And you could march forward with it. I think we could do a better job. That might be enough. I mean, I don't know if it'll stop the fuel saving entirely, right? But it could put a dent in it to where the field has a little bit more spread when it is time to pit and savings not as valuable. Yeah, we've gotten too comfortable as an industry there, you know, where we have worked really hard. It's a good point. Safety. Safety wise, right? Which is also put the cars in a racetrack more, like you said. Everything we've done safety-wise,

the right side window, you know, that we need to work on, I think, things that... To make us make changes, right? We're at a point right now that we're pretty much running... We're solid, right, in the back of the car almost, all the way around the race track, especially in qualifying, right? We back off a little bit in the race, not much, but going to a tire that starts wearing, now we...

Yeah, you have to. We change our handling. It can't work it that hard. Right. So a lot of things change. Yeah. I mean, it's made big differences, you know, at the mile race tracks and short tracks. Made a difference yesterday.

So, yeah, I mean, that is a really good point. And from my experience with it, you know, the warmer races where the wear is higher and the handling matters more. I feel like the racing has been better. So, yeah, that'd be good. All right. It's time for Reaction Theater where fans can call in and voice their opinions from this weekend's race. Alex, how many do we have? Five calls to this.

That's all the people call five. Five for five. Five for five. They are all good ones. Hey, just didn't hear watching this truck race today. Who in the hell put the color combinations to let us know who's in and who's out for the playoffs? Why in the heck is red good and green bad? I figure green is good and red is bad.

Really? I agree with that. I was a little confused when I was looking at. not in the trailer too. I was like, what does that stuff mean? I didn't see any of it on TV. Obviously, that's pretty funny. So the red guys were in.

Well, I feel like if I remember correctly, I don't know why. I feel like, you know, in the Cup series, the guys that are yellow are advanced, right? Am I wrong there? I have no idea. The purple or advanced? I don't know.

I don't remember. The purple is in a different color. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Purples? Yeah, I was thinking maybe using the branding. They had the playoff guys, and then they had reds and greens. All I got to say

Holster the Toasters Bye boys Holster the Toaster That's good That's pretty good That was Am I going to be the very first Austin Cilwick fan to join the Blaney fans

In their Toaster Bath But the further and further We get into the playoffs The more tempting that toaster bath It's started to get I missed this I meant to say something about it I got a toaster on my bus

And I think I need to take it off You need that. Safety reasons. Just for safety purposes. Yeah. Sorry, Bill. No more toast. No more toast.

Listen, Cedrick didn't, I mean, he got back up there eventually. They did good, one's a good strategy call. I think they took two or stayed out or something.

One time I saw him go from like just in front of us, the front row. He bled a little bit, but it was still obviously a net gain and he held on a little bit there. I'm sure he's probably still out. Man, I mean, it's just. You picked him?

I picked him. It's tough when you're, you know, he didn't have a horrible. day, right? But when your teammates are up front and Josh tries from the back to the front, it's definitely going to eat away at him for sure. All right. As a Kvlaski fan, I've got to say, I know the yellow line or the white line, whatever color the line is, I know that that's not out of bounds and you can go under it. But the fucking wall is out of bounds and you can't go through it. Man, I'm so tired of this and bad high. Can't even top. But just 20-25, six. But just 20-25,

Yeah. He so I was wondering what he's going. Like well the fucking wall's there. Is that we behind him? Like what this happened? I don't like. No, I was in front of it still at that time.

I didn't see him hit the wall obviously but we were battling midpack or back of the pack when that wreck happened. So I didn't see exactly how it started. But I was walking down to the car with TJ. And I was like, what happened? He's like, well, you know, we were on the bottom. I think he said maybe the 88 was in the middle and the 48 was on the top. He said the 48 was kind of crowd. a little bit and Brad just drove

to the inside wall and triggered the whole big wreck. I was like, well, that's it. You know there's a wall there, right? I mean, nobody, you can only go so low. And then here comes old rowdy bush. Oh, man. Poor rowdy. I mean. We kind of giggled a little bit on the fitbox

because after we went back with all that damage, he went fastened and he did with no damage. Really? Yeah. Oh, boy. Them guys. Talk about toasters. Yeah, I was cracking up because he made a comment on something last week that But, you know, we drive for this, but never for, like, Rick Ware. And then 10 laps into the races right in front of our car,

and I was kind of giggling a little bit. I'm like, you're not doing so good, buddy. In the eye, Joe. Hi, I'm an unapologetic Denny Hamlin fan. And for just 30 seconds, just 30 seconds of your time, I can get your opinion on the matter. Freddie, this question is for you. In situations like these, where teammates have an issue,

how do things go in team meetings on Monday? How do they try to repatch things up? Because you don't want issues with your teammate. May you find some comfort here? Freddie doesn't know he's not allowed to go. You know, Tyler's probably the one to ask this question too, but ideally in this position, it's my job to make sure that doesn't happen. It's my job to say, hey, and it's hard because you can't say,

hey, let them go, because then you get suspended. I found that out last year. So it's hard to... Oh, hold on a second. You cannot say let him go. You cannot say let him go, but you can explain to him the situation. Yeah, right?

That's what I'm saying. It's my job to put it in his hands of decisions. Explain the situation to him. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying jokingly that you can't say let him go because that's not frowned upon apparently. But... You didn't say let him go.

I did not say let him go. I never, those words never came out. my mom. Um, but anyway, so, you know, for me, my job on this deal is to make sure that doesn't happen. But after that does happen, what's those meetings like? I mean, I don't know that you've, I mean, we've never really had any issues. I think, you know, just from a team standpoint, it's super important to address it, you know, hash it all out, yell it out if you need to, just, just get everything out there and, and just, you know, maybe you don't agree in that moment, but it's super important to address it immediately. Um, I, um, I,

I feel like because, you know, the last thing you want to do is, is have two cars under the same roof, racing each other hard or tearing each other stuff up further. It can just really, it can really divide a building very, very quick. And Tyler, it's important to address it. Tyler does a great job with us, you know, with Bubba and stuff, because Tyler always lets us go. And obviously, we never let him go.

Correct. He's like, correct. So Tyler, Tyler handles that very well. Yeah, great teammate. Like, oh, I'm catching Bubba. No. Bubba wants to race for 14th a day. No, no.

No, Bubba does a great job, honestly. Our relationship is great. I knew, you know, years ago, I absolutely destroyed you guys in the 500. We had like a couple things happen that year. I don't know. And I hated it because I like Bubba. And it just seemed like things, if something was going to go wrong, I'd always find him.

and, you know, we're able to smooth that out when he was at, when he was at Petty's and I was at RCR. And yeah, from the time that we've been teammates, you know, things have been really good. We've had maybe, I mean, super minor things. There was one time I think it, it Dover. I was racing Zane really hard and he got collected in it. But, yeah, we've done a really good job of just, hey, this is what was happening in this moment, just talking it out, explaining, you know, each side.

And I think we've done a really good job of just being on the same page. And that's just case by case basis, really. Right? You know, I mean, some people just aren't going to ever get along. You know, I feel like this, this war right here may never end. You know, I mean, it'll end. Two years, two years when he retired. Coach Gibbs.

Yeah, well, yes. Pretty good. Again, he's a pretty good leader. And he gave the right. He gave. Coach Gibbs got a couple of rings. And he, like, people were just egging him on to give, you know, some kind of insight to it. And he's like, I don't know, I'll just let the job.

driver's handle it. I mean, he wasn't, I don't think that was a, uh, a, a PR answer by any means. No. That's what he thinks. Yeah. He, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, you know, he, he, he, he does believe in letting the driver's handle it. He'll sit there and, and, and sit in the middle of it.

I think, well, he may not in this case, but he's willing to do that. He's willing to listen. Um, um, yeah, I feel like he does a, I've, I've, I've been able to, to be in the same room when, um, um, you know, he's given a speech before the race or after the race. Man, I absolutely see why he had all the successes that he's had in the Cup series and in his coaching career. Just when that guy says something, you listen, you lock in. I remember like the first time he was given a speech about something. It was, was it the one in Daytona when Ty and Bubba were, he came in that meeting.

Well, there was that, but like, I think it was like my second meeting. He gave a speech at the beginning of the year and I was like, I stood up and I was like, I'm ready to run through a wall. They just start laughing. That's just the kind of guy that he is. He gave us one. I think it was 20, 23. Bubba, we went to Daytona,

Bubba and Ty were basically battling for the last playoff spot. And it was just a, we had a big meeting about like how we're all going to race. We're not going to, nobody's going to really sway this one way or another. And then he got like the raw, raw speech at the end of it. And I was going to punch somebody in the face as soon as that thing was over. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was wild. All right.

Well, let's leave an audio message 24-7. you can call our number at 704-802-9572 and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. This week's AskDBC question is, and I think Tommy you might have alluded to this in spot-on, spot off a little bit. Should NASCAR provide the cars, crews, and not use the current Cup Series drivers

for these tire tests so the teams don't get an unfair advantage? I'm going no. I mean, I even think back to, you know, when I did the first. or I did the V3 test at like Darlington. You know, the car had a very generic setup in it. Obviously, we ran through some tires and working on stuff. I think, you know, years ago I came on here and talked about it.

You know, I think we could fire off like half second, maybe a second now, slower than what we do now with the current package. But like, because it was set up, the setup that was under it, I mean, it would fall off like four or five seconds over a course of a run. So I think if you're not, if you don't have the setup in the car and it's not the capability that the teams would have it at, how are you going to get a good read on what you need to do with the tires? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we all need to go, though, each one car from each organization.

I don't think it's fair for just. Well, I wish it would make sense, right? Like, I would love for the whole field to show up and do a tire test. Right. So the track gets rubbered in, right? Yes, with more cars doing it, yeah. but with, I mean, if you figure one car from each organization, that's a bunch of cars, right? We all don't share information, right? We don't get Penske's information. We don't even get

the majority of RFK's information, even though we're affiliated with them. We don't get any of that. So the only time we can learn on our own is tests like that. So I think this should be, you know, I know it's more costly to good year, but hey, we all, we're all going to spend money doing it, right? They have to provide the tires. But I think as we should, should all be able to go, for one, to be able to make a run together when there's a final, you know, hey, the main guys could still figure out what's the best tires, right? But at least give us then a chance to run on those tires, right, as a baseline, as a rebase line, work on a little bit.

Then let's go run 20 laps. Let's go look at everything. Let's see how everything's done. I think it could be done a little bit differently and more so for the industry to provide more information to the lower teams because it didn't work as well for the Gibbs group as it did for the Penske guys, right, obviously. So I don't know if all the information even got transferred to you guys. You guys did not run as good as those three cars did. It did. We just, yeah, we missed it. Right. But, you know, what happens if you went? You know, I don't know.

That's a good point. I guess my thought on it, not just the information for the teams, but is coming from the standpoint of, you know, you see it. I feel like all the time I hear, whether it was the Iowa test or even the Loudoun test, you know, this past weekend, you know, the three cars that went, you know, the pace fired off a little slower, but they had so much more tire fall off over the run. Then we come back, you know, 40 cars. Well, they didn't pick that tire at Iowa. Oh, they didn't.

No, no, I'm talking about Loudon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we all come back and now, you know, the tire's not wearing. we're all, you know, it's your more traditional, loud and fall off. Yeah, I guess if money wasn't an issue or the details weren't that difficult, I just, I would love to see a lot of more cars at a tire test so that the track and how the track represent, everything is much more in line with like a practice on Saturday. Exactly.

Or the race on Sunday. You get 16, 18 cars there. Yeah, because then the track will widen out. You know, if there's 20 or 30 of us out there at the same time, I know I will. I'm going to go up to the third, fourth lane, try this, try that. Oh, you're always usually the first one that doesn't. Everywhere we go. No matter what.

Yeah, even in Martinsville. You did that in qualifying a couple times. Yeah, not by choice. It was backwards, but you're up there. All right, what shit shows did you guys see this week? The track PA announcer being angry won last week. That's the one I deserved to win last week. I'm surprised I didn't have a better vote.

We probably didn't do a good enough job selling it. it. My shit show, Tommy might not like this one, but I know what happened right in front of Tyler. Cody, if we're going to try to wreck somebody,

we're going to have to learn how to do a better job of it. I hope that wasn't your coaching. I don't know. I missed the first part of this. I just saw that. I'm like, well,

the first part is Austin spun, Spun Cody to cause a caution. But we were happy. Because it actually got us back on the lead lap we were good we were on the radio hey no no harm no foul and actually helped us

he uh he for those there's a video somewhere Alex I should have said to you last night but I couldn't find it again the he's it's right it's the arm the best video is Kyle it's Tyler's on board and they're going through one and two like in Cody's in the low lane

and just uh just kind of washes up to the right abruptly and unfortunately for him like I don't care you like whatever you want to pay a guy back for spinning yeah but you got to get them like you can't the three didn't get affected and Cody ended up ruining his day I think were you out of the red did not get did that not get out of the race but I mean sold the car had a fix the the car was wrecked um so yeah my shit show there is we got

we got to we got to do a better job of wrecking people essentially like if you're gonna if you're going to go for I mean I will say it is a lot harder to do um in this car I mean Danny can show you if you if you need well as a driver you know you don't ever want to go in there and just monster truck somebody, right? That's basically what you have to do to get someone out of shape and then if you go just a little bit too far, they end up record. You saw that last week?

Yeah. Like Brad hit that 20 car as hard as you could hit somebody and it barely knocked him out of shape. That would have knocked the radiator out of the old car. Yeah. So that's got to be on there. I think Ty and Denny probably have to make it on there. This wreck that Alex has queued up here

just a couple of lap cars. I don't even know who was driving them at this point. did you see this at all the two lap cars just ships at the bottom under like just I don't know where that guy was going well then didn't he come on the radio and was freaking out afterwards too oh I don't know I was you guys catch that I don't I don't even know who was driving it to be honest it was the O2 truck and the 74 was the 74 I don't to do with the O2 I'm thinking it was the driver of the O2 but I'm pretty sure he came on the radio afterwards and was like losing his mind on top of it well I hope that's like like he like someone did

him wrong There he is. I'm pretty sure that was that. That was you blowing a corner. Driving into the side of a guy. First time in Loudoun? I don't even... Who was the driver, Alex? Do we know?

I think his name's Jason Alexander. Jason Alexander. Wasn't he from Seinfeld? Not the guy for Seinfeld? I want to know where all these guys come from. Yeah, like, I've never heard of that guy before. I mean, above all else, I just hate it for Tyler Young. Yes.

I mean, those guys were a car. that truck is destroyed I was gonna check with old TUI and see what we got there but yeah TY's got a table at his house at the truck that I spotted for one time

It's the one that's a cube Yeah it's a cube It's about this big now They squished it for you Yeah yeah it's me and Stefan It was me and Stefan Parson's handiwork I was leaning on it I was leaning on this table I was leaning on this thing in the Super Bowl last year

I was one time I was house in a Super Bowl I'm looking around I'm like What the fuck is it like in a glass case You know and I was like what the hell is this? He's like, oh, that's your Bristol truck from a couple years ago. I was like, oh, nice. Sorry about that. It's now. You remember his dice, right? Oh, yeah. You still have them? I don't know if he still haven't seen him in a while.

Well, you remember what happened with those, right? No, I'm going to let you tell a story. I'm good. I'm good. It was, yeah. You can't tease somebody up. Yeah, so. Freddy's the king of doing this. Oh, he teed up. Freddie. Yeah, Beau was playing around. was it New Year's Eve, right? I wasn't there. I think it was New Year's Eve.

He's jumping around. Alex's like, hey, there's a couple other kids there. He's like, she's like, hey, just, you know, go up around the dice, the edges are sharp, like probably shouldn't be jumping off them, whatever. And, you know, like a little kid, you know, doesn't want to listen. And I think he slipped, fell, hit his head on the corner of the dice.

Next thing you knew, we were off to the emergency room at about 10 o'clock on New Year's Eve. Oh, yeah. Let me tell you. Never want to have to go to the emergency room. Not New Year's in. It's packed. Like a war zone.

I bet. You walk in. It's just people everywhere in the halls. Everything. I'll give you a little insight. Next time call the ambulance. No, we did. Yeah, we did.

So you got in. You got right in. Yeah, we got right in the ambulance. Oh, yeah. You have to call the ambulance on special nights. Special nights on special on holidays. Make sure you call the ambulance. You got to call an ambulance.

You're saying you better parking or what? No, they have to. By the ambulance, they take you right in. If you go in, walk in, you're waiting. You got a. You got a sit. No kidding. It was expensive night.

That's good to know. Sorry, buddy. That's coming out of your savings. The one thing I did want to talk about, Tommy, it looks like a shit show when the race ends now. It's kidding to be a little ridiculous, but it's funny to watch. The post-waste rate,

post-race weight-gaining strategies have become a little like the... They had him again yesterday? Oh, I mean, as soon as the checker flag goes off, it looks like everybody's going up to like wave to the fans. then they died down the back straight away and they go as low as they can to pick up. And somebody, listen, you're going to know this better than I am

because I was asking around a little bit yesterday. We're talking about these cars and the race upwards of 20 pounds heavier than they start. I mean, that's not all just that. But I mean, is that a fair estimate? Do you think? I wonder what they, how much more they wait at Bristol.

Yeah. I mean, I think they could like fix it by just putting on another set of tires for post-race inspection. Is that an actual? accurate number though is it i mean can you can yeah you can gain a lot i mean i mean you know with dirt racing what did you guys gain oh my gosh it was ridiculous sometimes 100 pounds yeah it's a lot of a lot of weight yeah mud yeah so i mean you're doing the same thing yeah it's just doing the same thing collecting it but i think

i think they could probably cut a lot of it well forget the tires though but like i you know our car had a lot of rubber on it just yeah I yeah caked up in there yeah I had a feeling I didn't need to do that after the race yeah yeah but my point is like after Bristol after Loudon after like Darlington some of these tracks you don't even need to do any of that when you get the car back and you go to take it apart there's just rubber sitting everywhere yeah but things things uh mysteriously disappeared during the weekend do you think that um it like it's not illegal right now right I mean I don't think it's there's no direct rule that says you can't do this right i mean i know it says it's pretty vague about you know don't alter the car after the race it over something but like

do you think something's coming do i mean how do you can't really police it can you i don't like because all the i mean they're not they're just growing up by the wall and picking up rubber essentially is they're picking up shit that's on the racetrack on the hot tires the only thing they're going to do is they can do is just put your the original tires that we go through tech in the beginning before we start practicing put those back on you're still going to fill up the inside of the splitter and the diffuser with rubber and stuff like that. And plus, to Tyler's point, you're going to get rubber buildup in the wheel wells and this stuff from the race.

So there's probably, you know, an extra 10, 15 pounds can be gained after the race, allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. I've heard. Like a true crew chief. All right.

You can vote on the shit show Hall of Fame Twitter poll on Dirtymo Media's Twitter, or I guess X, my bad. on who you want to see inducted into the Hall of Fame this week. DBC picks, Tommy. You won. Catching the guests. Guests have been dry for a while. They haven't won in a while.

Maybe Tyler can change that. I doubt it, though. He sucks. I win something, huh? Tyler used to help out Casey with her picks and she bought dinner every year. So I'm looking forward to having Tyler back. So do I? You have, you got the guest list.

Who finished? Oh, I don't know. I got it's on here somewhere Carson goes first than me than the guest Where is what's happening next? We're going to Kansas dear I am going to go with

I don't want to pick Bubba but kind of not Thanks a lot Appreciate it Well can you help me can you help me make sure you can't make any guarantees This week I'm going to go with You know what screw it We're going to go with Bubba

Sending him good vibes. I appreciate that. I pick next. Help me out if you can, Freddie. I'm going to take, I'll take Bill Byron. Bill Byron. You pick yourself? I'll let the guests use it next week.

Oh, well, wait. Oh, Steve's still on here. He's used it at the Roval, but. Tommy's been saving him for the Roval all years. Yeah. I didn't know. I am so pissed. Oh, you didn't use him at all during the regular season?

That's fine. I didn't know what you said. You guys helped it. You guys didn't tell me until after the last fucking road course race. We withheld that information. Oops. I'm kind of with you, Fred. I'm feeling Hendrick Carr.

I'll go to Chase Elliott. Okay. Thomas. I'm going to go with you, Reddick. Oh, thank you. I'm confident in your abilities there. Well, I wish I could say Rip in the fence was important here. It's really not, but.

It might be. You never know. It's gotten away from it there, but it's been a minute. It'd be good to be fair. there again. Yeah, I don't think I got anything else. I thought it was interesting. The 11 appealed this week. So they had their pick your guys this week. They're going to lose them for Kansas. That's a track position thing. We know how important track position is allowed. You know, Kansas, you can lose a little and still get it back. I think that's, you know, that's kind of where

that thought process was. So it's good call on their part, I think. What was, what's the next race after the roval? Vegas. It's two weeks to get Penn. Is it two? Yeah. Two. Yeah. So you get Kansas and Vegas back to back. Roval. Oh, sorry, Kansas Roeval. Once again, perfect execution. Yeah, figuring that out and the strengths and the weaknesses of the whole.

I mean, it'll be interesting. Yeah, the cars are hard to pit at Loudoun, obviously. So keep your guys that, you know, maybe have a little bit more discipline in. Obviously, I feel like a lot of these plays have depth. So now you have two weeks. They'll have two cars that are more pitiful in Kansas. And then at the Roval, obviously, you'd be very pitiful. So.

Plus another week. of the other two guys pitting with the main guys to practice with. Yeah. Where are we at this week, racing? We got any racing going on? You're going to take a little break, maybe.

Can we not run any more to a race this year? I'm not going to Mars. I went to the shop this morning. Jack's front of Jack's cars tore off. I'm like, how did that happen? Oh, that happened after the race. Ran into the back of cash. You know what?

You know what I've realized? I'm going to tell you this now. I hate to tell you this. You know, I have no. that we have been trending in the wrong direction lately on the seven cars. You know, Luke's been running pretty well on the other one. We've run out of top five with Jack in the month. But don't.

Okay, so maybe it's not Jack. But maybe like the black car that I've been spotting for every time. Maybe it's you. Maybe it's you. That's what I was going to say. It might be the fact that I see the fucking kids working on them all the time. Now, ever since we started posting pictures of the kids in the shot working on the cars, shit starts going wrong.

Zillage sweeps. Zillage's job is sweeping the floors and cleaning the trailer. I see Cruzy like on the back. of these things. Cruzy bleats to brakes. Are these stage photos? You know, they all show up and...

Our shops are. Well, yeah, Zillich is good at sweeping just about anywhere he goes. Yeah. They're bored. They show up there. As long as he doesn't trip over the broom,

he used to find those situations. So, no race this week? No, thank God. Thank. Carson, we're going cars to a racing anywhere? Nope, not this weekend.

The whole fam-bam is going to Glenn Helen. to watch Wyatt run the off-road truck it's the last race and he is one point out of the championship. Who do we got to wreck? Unfortunately, the guy he's racing somebody who's chasing. Unfortunately, the guy he's racing with the championship was like the nicest guy in the whole

hair world. What is it? The 250s. Oh, Deegan? Degan and. Land on somebody's head or something like that? I watched it last night. Yeah.

I mean, they were. Yeah. Crashed each other like crazy. Deegan got hurt. Yeah, you can add that one. Yeah. What else you got going on? I don't think I have anything too crazy in Kansas.

I thought I did have an event on Friday night out there that got canceled so yeah I think it might be a quiet weekend Lexa's trying to figure out Well I mean like just not a lot going on Friday You should see the shit that he has to tote It's not bad Dude I felt so bad where were we

No I've got a system down we're good I felt so bad at Watkins Glen I offered to help you You had shit piling out of that truck I'm like you want to help you No I'm like okay man I appreciate that I appreciate the offer

But no seriously It may look like I'm Struggling bad But I've kind of got to get down It always It always looks like Things stack from each other really well And yeah

It's all good Holy shit he's got a lot of stuff When does This Alexa's not gonna appreciate this question When's Bo's first race car showing up Yeah Bo's probably wanting an answer on this too I mean I've

Does he want to do it? He does yeah I need to I need to step up my game and figure this out very quickly. Yeah. So anyway.

He's coming. He's grounded right now, though. Oh. We can't, no, he doesn't. He's not granted. Cut that out. Yeah. Is he grounded for Saturday night?

Yeah. Well, and I, yeah. We'll just have to cut all this. Don't put it. Well, if he hears about, well, so on the, is Bo going to listen? No one. Tell Bo, please.

I hope he'll listen to this. Don't tell Bo. The kids are. Like seven. Don't tell him. He's not even seven. Well, so, you know, on the grid, again, if anyone tells him this, he's going to, he's going to hate me. He got in trouble Saturday night.

He was being a little naughty. He was just acting like a five-year-old boy. He's acting like Tyler. But it was time. All right. Yes, he was. I was like, all right, it's time to stop. He didn't listen.

And so he got in trouble. I had to go back to the bus. And my wife said, hey, just by the way, just so you know, I grounded him for a week for what he did a Saturday night at Derek. So, yeah, we're on the grid and he's running around. He's, you know, being, being a boy again, but he just keeps, he's just like playfully still. But, but he was, he was hitting Cookie, one of my underneath guys on the 45. And I don't think Cookie was really bothered by it.

But it's like, hey, Bo, please stop. He didn't listen. He didn't listen. So when I called him over there, I was like, do you want to be grounded for eight days? Because if, you know, you keep it up, I will ground you another day. And I said that in front of everybody, and he got really embarrassed. He was so mad at me. didn't even want to give me a hug before I got in the car because I'm embarrassed in

front of his friends. They need it. Hey, when he gets, when he gets, he was really sad. When he gets kicked out of MRO, you let me know. That's when he's a badass. Which one of your kids got kicked out of him? Yeah. I hope he never does, but there's times I'm watching, like at Bristol, I was trying to do,

go through some SIM stuff or SMT. And I was sitting, I could kind of, we were parked right in front of MRO, and I could see him up front and he had taken the Uno attack game and he was running around on the turf and just spraying it all up into the area he's gonna get thrown out oh yeah it's coming oh yeah there was like another toy it was like one of those

I don't know gel like hourglass looking things he thought it was like really cool but he wanted to see what the insides of it were like so he took it and like threw it like against I don't know something.

I'm like, it's like, man, he is. There's no, no DNA test needed, my friend. That is all you.

Apparently. Yeah, and my wife. And apparently she's just as great as you are. So. Which I should have known that by when she made, decided this is a good decision to marry you. That's a very good point.

But anyway, Tyler, thank you again for dropping by it and give you a whole lot of notice on this one. So you could think about it to check to say no. But thanks. I saw a bunch of, DBC fans at the race at Lee. I saw a bunch of DBC fans in the campgrounds up at the Black Flag podcast,

shit show they have on Saturday night there. Shout out to the Neeland family for feeding us beer and steak and lobster all night Saturday night. Derek race. Derek race on Friday night. I meet him. Derek. Well, Derek's race went to shit because he thought he was going to drive around Tyler on the

outside on one restart and he just blew turn one. And just pissed off, you know, how Lee is. And it was weird. Lee, well, I don't want to get too far to this. But Lee is not like Lee modified racing. and lead-a-model racing is way different. Like, them guys could run harder. Like, the tires fall off,

but then they just stop falling off for a modified race. They just, you just, I think it's because they were on the American race. Yeah, there's a lot harder tire. Bricks. Yeah.

But yeah, Derek, Derek was on the outside of Tyler on a restart and was getting position on him. Like, he was going to run into one, and he just over-cooked it in a one-one one time and slid way of the racetrack. It just killed his right rear, and we never really saw him again.

But it was great racing. It was, it was Tyler, Derek. Derek Neal, who spots for Kyle Bush, if you don't know, Derek's cousin Rusty and I think his nephew or what's Roby some other kid there's related to them and the four of us just ran all over each other for

100 of the 150 laps crossing each other over I'm like can we not get away from each other at least like can we do this with somebody else? But it was a lot of fun but good to see fans out there good to see fans at the race track. I love that crowd and loud man. Good to see our modified friends. Great to see Pat.

Yeah Matt Gosland that is I'm assuming the president of the race track now told me on the grid Sunday morning that it sold out this week. Awesome. Good to hear. Good to see those fans. Beautiful weather. Perfect. I wish we were going back in September again next year because that was perfect weather for that, like 70, sunny, just ideal weekend. But thank you guys for listening.

We will be back next week. I think next week is the Dinger is in the house with us next week to talk about how it's great. He's been on fire lately. Speed-wise anyway, pretty well, running well. And he's got leading into the roval where he's pretty good. So we'll talk to him next week. We will be back then. Thanks for listening.

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