Door Bumper Clear - Why Freddie Says Bubba Wallace's Wreck "Can't Happen"

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

The Door Bumper Clear crew returns from Martinsville after a weekend that seems like it couldn't have gone worse, but things brighten up because we have Todd Gilliland joining us, who is all smiles. In the opening segment, or B.S. as we like to call it, we cover tons of ground, including the cause for Luke Baldwin's unfortunate wreck, Bubba Wallace's detrimental crash, and why the world of ARCA was buzzing this week. In Spot On, Spot Off, the topics we brought to the table were: - Was Alan Gustafson's call luck or strategy (or maybe even a little of both) - The package at Martinsville and the racing product - Jesse Love & Rajah Caruth's well-handled post-race conversation - The NASCAR Hall Of Fame Nominees List In Reaction Theatre, we hear from the Chasesexuals, try to pronounce SVG's full name, and get a not-so-nice Easter message for Denny Hamlin. Following that up is S*** Show Hall of Fame, and it felt like our nominees were being served up on a silver platter — with everything from Nashville Fairgrounds' short tracks faux pas to Porsches flying over catch fences. For Ask DBC, we ask Todd Gilliland if he really looks at the flag man, what he's doing with his week off, and what his go-to road trip snacks are. The gang wraps up with DBC picks, Weekend Winners, and their closing thoughts before teasing who we have coming on next week — hint: an undeniable Hall of Famer is making his return! Head to shop.dirtymomedia.com to get your DBC merch! Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The following is a production of Dirty Mode Media. What if we left all the spotters out of everything? That's a terrible idea. What page are we on? Why you cursed that? This is why I'm just you cursing to me. I think he's a whiny. That's what I think.

Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on. Routy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight. Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I am Freddie Craft, potter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson this weekend, former spotter of the 7 NY modified. I have retired. Go fuck yourself.

Don't ask me ever again, Tom. Why? Why? We haven't finished a race in two years. That's not your fault, right? It doesn't matter. I am the jinx. I've decided on the jinks.

It's game over. I'm not doing it anymore. What's the next race? Doug spotted for Luke in New Hampshire and didn't finish either. Oh, so it's your problem. But it wasn't the 7th and Y. It wasn't the 7th and 1. Tommy, how are you today? Tommy, how are you today?

That's an awful weekend. Filling in for Carson, the lovely, lovely, lovely, former host of this show. Casey Boat, welcome back. It's good to see you, Casey. Thanks for having me on. How is things? They're great. How's mom life?

Chasing kids around? I'm honestly concerned for Chad with the two girls that we have in the comments that she's made lately. Yeah, I've seen some stuff that, like, Chloe is following too closely in your footsteps. I'm worried about Chad. My footstuffs? The argument this morning was about gum. And Chad gave in, yes.

Gum for breakfast. Chad's the good cop? Yeah, I couldn't see that. Yeah. Joining us also off of just a spectacular run yesterday. Todd Gillen, buddy. How are you today? Yeah, I'm doing good.

It's, yeah, just very mediocre day yesterday. I think we were just there. We were just a field filler. But, yeah, we've had a couple good runs. So at Martinsville last year, so I felt like maybe our luck was going to run out. that's one of those places where you just feel like you're good there like Bubba feels like I'm really good here

but it's just one of those places where if you don't hit it right the one time like you're just going to find yourself behind the eight ball and I was I was watching obviously I knew you were coming on the show today and I'm watching the first stage and I'm like if Todd could just stay on the lead lap right here his day is going to be okay because we talked about that before and you got laughed obviously everybody got laughed I feel like up to like 20th maybe but like is that I mean from that point on it's just kind of that

you're done at that point, right? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it kind of just puts you in that group of, you're kind of racing up to 23rd, 24th the rest of the day, right? So to be fair, I never really had much speed past that anyway. So, yeah, I wasn't really capped too much. But yeah, and then second stage, we kind of got separated again. I was able to stay only one lap down where most of the guys I was racing behind me got two laps down.

So it's just one of those races where you're going to get separated from guys. And then I was kind of just racing, you know, two cars the rest of the day. And we had great battle. but it's just crazy, right? How these races separate so much just with the stages. They get to the same point every single time.

So it's a really, really important to stay in the lead lap that first stage. I think you saw that, right? Coming to the end of the first stage, guys are doing everything they can to stay in front of the leader. Yeah, I mean, somebody got wrecked. I think it was the second stage.

No, it was the first stage where they ran somebody over and dumped them right in front of the leader. Our car, yeah. Oh, that was you. Yeah. Yeah. Was it your fault?

Were you in the way? Yeah. Yeah. He was like the poor. The one thing I drove me crazy about that first stage. The caution was 15 laps. Like it was actually 17 laps. I had to clean the track.

Jeez. Well, we'll get into that later. But Todd, talk about your season. Obviously not to start you had hoped for. I'm sure. We talked about this with John Wood a couple weeks ago. How much do your goal change?

Obviously, you go into the season, probably hoping to be a playoff contender. Obviously, now you kind of find yourself kind of behind the eight ball. How much of your goal? have to change to where you're you're just looking for one good run to piggyback off of and keep going. Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I think, you know, with the first two races the year, you see Daytona and Atlanta, you obviously know that they're big opportunity races. You could come out of the first two races leading the points or last, and we were literally last.

So it's just one of those things, right? You get caught up in wrecks. I was, you know, right behind you guys at Daytona. I think I was like fourth coming to like the end of that, I think second stage and just got caught up in a wreck. and then, yeah, same thing in Atlanta, get caught up in a few wrecks. So, yeah, and then from there, we just haven't had great speed. So there's really no excuse for that. But, yeah, just been working on it, right?

But, you know, the competition is always getting better and better. Yeah, I feel like we're making small gains, but at the same time, everyone else is just pushing even further ahead. So obviously, we're going to keep working on it. But, yeah, like you said, I think our goals and the where we're at in points, right, one or two good weeks can really move you up a lot. So I still think, you know, get into that. 20th, you know, maybe just past 20th in points, you know, would still be a good, good season, right? At that point, there's a lot of good cars and, you know, kind of puts you in

that, that conversation of Spire and, you know, probably ahead of RCR at this point or right with them. And, you know, I think for me, that's, that's a realistic goal. Obviously, you don't want to ever really admit that, but I think that would be a good, good place to get to, you know, kind of late summer. That's what we talked about last week. It's like, you know, you say you're averaging a 20-year, 25th place finish. And then you look at the guys, that are running 20 and you know like it's not scrub you know i mean if they're there everybody in the cup series is fast you know i mean there's no there's nowhere to hide in the cup series you know it's you know you if you can move your average finishing position we talk about what two spots tom like

yeah i mean look after the sixth seventh race look we just got to be honest with each other and everybody in the garage the trailers are lined up with the amount of money that's in the garage. End the story. I mean, you guys, we're all going to be racing in groups by then at the end of the day. It's going to be separated. It's starting to separate more and more now, since technology, and the money's getting spent in the technology. The bigger teams are getting better with their tools. They don't quite get passed down to the teams that are affiliated with those completely, so you're always behind the eight ball. Bottom line, it's just, it is what it is in our sport. It's just like, you know, the teams like us, the teams, you know, teams like front row,

it's like, okay, we're going to go invest in our own tools. Let's just say we do that. It will take five to six years, millions and millions and millions of dollars on our own to even get to where they are today. Well, guess what? They're going to be five, six years ahead of us. So it's like, what do you do? Well, okay, you pay these teams the bigger teams to be affiliated with them to get information.

Well, I mean, you're not sitting in there. You know, you're not in those meetings. You're not, your cars aren't being built there, you know, so it's different. So at the end of the day, yeah, you can hope, you can get the Daytona 500 wins, you can get Talladega, you can have a good day at Atlanta, you can have a, you know, good, you know, Chris can call a good race, and you can, at the end of the stage, and you can run in the top 10 and be good. But at the end of the day, you guys are fighting the same cars every single week, right? So it's reality, unfortunately, with our sport.

I mean, look, it's the same in baseball. It's the same in football, right? Every now and then you'll get the Minnesota Twins or something to come up and get a good group of guys that believe in each other and win the deal, right? But it's reality, man. Yeah, it's a shame you guys didn't get the same lawsuit speed that we got. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm going to call up our owners and be like, dude, you guys didn't have this in our stuff? You should have wrote this in our deal, too. I don't understand. Man, I love the conspiracy theories out there, though. I really do. But, I mean, overall, I mean, your day yesterday, obviously kind of, like you said,

you just kind of got. And I thought for the most part, the race was, again, if your car was really, really, really good, you could pass. If not, you were kind of, I felt like you were kind of stuck where you, where you cycled out of a restart and kind of rode there. Do you feel the same way in the car? Yeah, I did. I thought, you know, there's maybe a few guys.

Like, I saw the 48, for example, like he was really fast. firing off but like after lap 60 he was completely out of control so um he was probably one of the only ones that i saw that would like really really fall off a cliff but hold on but he's the only one that didn't really have experience driving his cars over the years and know that that's what's going so he was going right then all of a sudden he was coming back right so yeah i do think that that does go a long way but um yeah yeah my race i would fire off super tight um just go go nowhere in traffic and then it was kind of weird i was good for like the middle part of the run and then the extreme long run, I was really bad again.

So, yeah, I don't really know. Just I feel like I pass a lot of cars, did not have great pit stops. Yeah, just with the way we were getting lapped and stuff, like I said, I always just felt like I was cycled to the back. So, yeah, just long day. And it's, yeah, tough to pass there. And, yeah, it's still fun to, yeah, pass a few cars. It's hard.

We talk about this a lot, obviously, on here. But tell me about how hard it is to dig your way out of a bad qualifying order. spot. You know what I mean? Because like we went out, I think we were like 17th and we were just like we knew we had no shot at like a top five. It's as good as Bubba is there or as fast. But like we're like if we can qualify in the top 15, that at least gets us a decent pit selection. And then, but I mean, it's so hard to you go out early. Now you're starting to back. Now you're you're in position to get lapped in the first day. You know, how hard is it to dig your way out of that hole? Yeah. I mean, it's it's very, very hard. And I think that's one of the things where, you know, you hear guys talk about is momentum real? like in NASCAR and stuff, right? Because we're going to different racetracks. But I think that is the most undeniable, you know, part of momentum is, you know, it's a real thing now because if you finish bad one week, you're behind the eight ball for the next week. Just, you know, I went out third for qualifying in Darlington.

Like you said, it literally does not matter how good your car is. Like, obviously we weren't great, but like, dude, you're not going to qualify. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, there's places, like Bristol next week. Oh, my Lord. But, yeah, the place like Richmond, Darlington. Yeah, there's a lot of places.

it's never good to go out early. We'll just say that. Some places there's better or worse about it. But yeah, it's real. And then, you know, you're in group A or group one for practice even. And, you know, you have teammates in group two that, you know, can maybe get a little bit ahead just based off your changes. And yeah, it definitely snowballs. It can either be really good or really bad. So I think that's even more so where you see, you know, even a little bit of field separation. Yeah, for sure. All right, Friday, elephant in the room. How was your weekend? It was great. What do you mean? What do you mean, Elephant? You didn't finish your race. No, I finished seventh with Dean. I had a good day with Dean. Oh, my God, the guy was 30th before the wreck.

Hey, we missed the wreck. You didn't have a game. You didn't spot it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was all me, friend. I was cracking up because Chastain just spun out the caution before. He was 31st, right? He was way back to a big wreck.

I watched him through the caution. Next to you know, they went green. He was 13th. No, obviously, Dean did a really good job. Kind of what we need Dean to do. just get through the race, find yourself in position to capitalize at the end, ended up with, I think, finished seventh. I was really good for him.

Tommy made me spot the modified race. We ran top three the whole race, and then Tommy shit broke because it always does. It doesn't always break. Give me a break. Are you shitting me? It's been two years now. I mean, you're killing me. But the car, what I will say for Tommy is our modified was super fast on Saturday night.

Unfortunately, we did not. get to finish. We should have finished third or fourth, I think. You know, just at the end, we were having problems at the end. Obviously, it was going away a little bit. But, uh, yeah, for, the rear end was season up. Seizing up. Yeah, that broke, that eventually broke with 10 to go, unfortunately. Um, uh, so yesterday, listen, there's not really any, uh, sugarcoating about it. We, I don't know. I got to take Bubba for his word. He said he misjudged. If he misjudged, it was a really bad misjudgment. And it, and it hurts. You know, I mean, like, we, we went from third and points to now, I think we're like tied for eighth with five other guys. So essentially

we were 11th in points. And you can't have those mistakes. You know, I'm like I said, I'm a taking for his word that he misjudged and didn't. I mean, I know he meant to get into him. And I don't think he meant to obviously end our day. But you can't, it can't happen. You can't have those moments. And if you want to be a contender for the championship or a contend to be top five, top seven, eight, and points, whatever it is, that shit can't happen. And, And unfortunately we ended our day yesterday self-inflictedly. So, you know, it sucks. It's, that was a race that Bubba's, I feel like Bubba's really good at Martinsville.

I feel like we've won, we won two truck races there. It's a place. But that place, it also doesn't owe you anything. You know this is as much as anybody, Todd. You know this going there. You know, you could be great one week and shit the next time you show up, depending on how your car is. So we didn't have a great race. We were kind of 12th, 15th-ish all day long.

and, you know, that was frustrating. And I think it just kind of, you know, I don't know. Like, we, host of our did nothing wrong. Like, he took us three wide into one and passed us clean. You know, he didn't, I don't think he did anything wrong. I think it was just a lapse in judgment for a moment. But we need to do better. We need to be better.

And if we're going to contend for top 10 in points, top five in points, we need to, we have to clean that shit up. And, you know, hopefully moving forward, we will. I think that, you know, we've had a conversation last night about it. And we'll go from there. But, you know, everybody's on here. I can make excuses for him. There's no excuse.

It's inexcusable. It was a mistake and it can't happen. But we will figure it out and we'll be better next time we show up with the race track. Unfortunately, it's the damn off week this week. So we don't get to go race in seven days like we normally would to forget about it. So we got to dwell on it for a couple weeks. But we will be back. How long are you going to dwell on it?

I dwelled on it all the way to Big Al's last night. And then I got over it pretty quick. I was honestly impressed how sober you were this morning when you showed up to the studio. I told you I was going out last night, yeah, but I was pretty... Well, you said you were going to bring the dog in if you were drunk enough. I said if I drank too much, I'd have Meg drop me off and bring Hank, and you were looking forward to seeing Hank more than you were looking forward to seeing me. That's really why I'm here.

Let's be honest. All right, speaking of dwelling, how about Luke Baldwin's race? Whoa, I can't talk today. Whose race? Your fucking kid. Yeah. Are we going to address this one? Fortunately, the lost the brakes.

Break pedal went right to the floor going into three. So we were talking about this beforehand. Todd, you saw it. The fact of how hard he hit the wall, I think, should tell you that there was a problem, right? I mean, you're watching. Yeah, dude, that's the hardest. I've seen a car wreck in Martin'sville in a long time. But, yeah, dude, I think back in the day, wheel hop and that stuff.

But, dude, that was definitely just no slowing down at all. It was break loss for sure in my eyes. So, yeah, I was looking forward to seeing him in that race. And it seemed like he was having a smooth weekend up to there. So I was disappointed to see it, you know, just, yeah, he's a good kid. and want to see him do well. And yeah, I hate to see mechanical issues like that take you out.

He did it really. And listen, I'm harder around Luke than most people. Tommy's the same way, obviously. We hold him to a higher standard than probably he deserves. But, you know,

we were giving him shit about, you know, he was when he figured it out about halfway through practice on Saturday, Friday, whatever day it was, he was a good, I would say top 15, top 20.

And that's what you're looking for in that car, that team, you know, you're looking, if you can run top 15 and top 20 in that stuff, that is what you're hoping for. And I thought he had that kind of pace.

And then obviously, whatever happened, I could tell maybe five laps before it broke, I could tell he was having issues slowing down. You saw him kind of blow a corner and then LeVar got back underneath him. And I was like, I couldn't tell. I couldn't watch, obviously, I'm spotting. But I was like, I can't tell if he is overdriving and making mistakes.

But when I realized he's in the, he's off the concrete. I'm like, okay, he is, he's having a hard time slowing this car down. and then a couple laps later you see him buried in the fence. But, I mean, overall, how was he? Had he... I mean, I thought he did good adjusting on Friday to what he needed to do, you know, especially learning how, you know, throttle response and everything that needs to be done with those cars.

But, you know, I mean, when he lost the brakes, obviously, I've heard that 100 times with drivers. It's like, you know, yeah, right, okay. But I went right down there, and I made sure that, you know... There was no breakdown. I'm like, if there's a brake pedal, I'm going to kick his ass, you know? And I put my hand in there, and the pedal went right to the floor. And ultimately, the front master cylinder blew out.

So that was the problem. So when we were pumping the brake, Joe, the crew chief was looking at it, and he's seen the brake fluid popping out of the front master cylinder. So obviously, when he went into the corner, the pedal went to the brakes, no front brakes, no front brakes. The rear is locked up quick. You know, as little pressure as there was left, and he hit the wall. Yeah, he hit hard.

He hit hard as hard as anybody I've ever seen in Martinsville. The car, man. I feel bad for Chris, but he's like, he's like, you know, poor Chris, head and Jay. He's doing all he can. I mean, it's a good little race team. I mean, Joe Williams is a good crew chief, and they, you know, he made some good adjustments during practice, and the car reacted, and a lot of good kids over there working. You know, they're just, you know, just like when you get behind the eight ball, man,

when you're a new team and you don't have the funding that you need to have to do everything right. It's just so hard. And, you know, I really hope that they find some funding and get that program running because it's a really, really good group of guys. I will say this. And listen, like I said, we give Luke a lot of shit. We're pretty hard on them because we want him to succeed.

It was nice to hear Joe come to me because I worked with Joe in the past. We know Joe from back up north. And he was like, man, when I had this kid in the Sim, he said, he's really fucking good. And I was like, yeah, I'm aware of that. I'm glad to hear other people say, you know. So I'll say it for you because I know you can't say it. but I just hope he continues to get opportunities. Another rookie that was in the Xfinity race was Lee.

Yeah. Lee ran, I would say, a, what, 98% perfect race. Yeah. And it's going to unfortunately be defined by one bad restart where he misses a shift and people want to harp on that. But I mean, this guy was as advertised, ran top 10 most of the day, had a penalty, comes back from a penalty, is in position to win the race, essentially.

You know, like, I don't know if he would have held on, but he was leading with 30 to go and he spun the tires on one restart, missed the shift on the other one. But, I mean, like... Yeah, I mean, the guy's good. I mean, he's proven all throughout the southeast that he's been one of the best short track racers in the country, you know? And the best part about that is, you know,

he's been driving those type of cars. The late models are basically the same type of style cars as the O'Reilly cars. So, you know, except for they're just a little. heavy, a little top heavy, a little bit different. But the good thing about it is he knows, he already knew what to expect, right? So, and obviously driving for junior motorsports, it's a little bit easier. Todd, do you find yourself, I know you kind of watch most of these races, like when you're

not running, like, do you find yourself gravitating to watching somebody like Lee? When he's in the race, you're like, are you keeping an extra eye on him? Like somebody, because I think everybody was cheering for him, you know, like, everybody wants to see him do well. But like when you're watching the race, you keep it like an eye out for that guy, like, what has he doing today? yeah absolutely i think um yeah even all week leading up to it i loved all the all the social posts and yeah i raced against lee a little bit in in late model stocks kind of when i was first starting so

um it's just always super cool to see guys you know bubba pollard i guess a few years ago now um like just opportunities like that are so cool because in my eyes like there's so many guys like that and in the short track ranks that are so good and so capable of doing that um but yeah as as we all know right it just takes every right opportunity to fall your way so um super cool cool to see Lee get the opportunity. And yeah, like he said, I thought he did a really good job. And yeah, definitely he was beating himself up. I was listening to his radio kind of the whole race. And obviously, yeah, and it's probably rightfully so. But yeah, those things suck and they do happen and got to move on. Yeah, I saw people trying to compare, like obviously Tommy has been vocal about somebody else that's getting an opportunity next week to run next fendee.

I have not been vocal. We have all been vocal. I'm just giving you shit about it right now. Are we going to say names? No, no name. I'm not mentioning his name on here again because everybody gives us, you know, gives us shit for trying to get clicks. It's not, but we're not given him. But it doesn't matter. But the people were comparing Lee to that. And I was like, you like, it's, they're like, oh, see, this guy wasn't ready.

I'm like, there's a difference between making a mistake and not knowing what to do. And Lee made a mistake. The other guy sometimes doesn't know what to do. And that's the difference. And we're going to see what happens this week. I hope he, like I said out on here a hundred times. I hope he goes to Rockingham, qualifies in the top 10, runs top 10, and that would be great.

But, you know, for like, you can't compare the two things. So don't come at me with, see, this is the approval process. Lee, Lee Pulliam is well deserved to be approved for anything, especially at Martinsville. And he ran a unbelievable race until one restart. He had a bad restart. And like you said, nobody's going to beat him up more than he beat himself off about it. On the radio, he felt awful.

You could tell after the race, all his post-raise interviews. He felt awful. But I hope he gets more opportunities. I don't know if he's not... Jerky boys. Jerky boys better come off to him. Jerky boys. I didn't realize. Somebody told me a bag of jerky boys is pretty expensive. Well, he had to pay for the tires this week. It's like $14.99 a bag or something.

It's the best jerky on the planet. Just next Dale, he'll tell you. All right. Well, speaking of the approval process, I know we talked about this before the show, but Squirrel McNutt, aka Kalinas's camera guy, finishes 13th in the ARCA race. Here's Tommy Remain come. Why are we even? No, here's why I want to talk about it.

Here's what I want to talk about him. I don't even want to talk about him. I know, I know. But here's why I want to talk about it. What the ARCA series has become is unfortunately expensive street stock racing. To me, it looks like the damn

Richard Petty driving experience. And Todd is a former ARCA winner. When you were running ARCA, I feel like the fields were kind of like when Bubba ran K&N. You know, it was a deeper field. There was a lot of talented guys in there now. We're going to talk about the guy's interview that I thought won the race but did not win the race. But we'll talk about that in a minute.

But what I will say is this guy, his name is George, right? I don't want to call him squirrel fucking McNut. But you just did. Yeah. But I'm just saying I don't want to refer to him as that. So what I will say is this guy showed up. And after the race was over, genuinely. happy. Like, you watch

his interview, he's got tears in his eyes, he's talking about Biffle, this is a plan that they had. He goes there to get approved for, I think, Talladega probably, and don't laugh. I think he's in on Kansas next. Oh, Kansas neck? That's a big step. But that's the proper. You have to start short track. But the problem

is, I see people like, Arca's the entry level division. I'm like, ARCA is not entry level. It's not supposed to be. You know, like your short track is entry level and then you you build up a resume to go to arca racing but now we've and i have no problem with this guy getting approved to run arca he went to hickory he ran okay i think he almost spun out one time but he was he was owning it he's like i got a little rambunctious i got on the throttle i spun through the grass didn't crash the car thank god for that and but like the genuine happiness this guy

happened these guys and i'm fine with them being in arca like and they're bringing eyes to arca that arca probably doesn't normally get so that's great like i think cletis should be in Arca Moore. I think this guy's going to be an Archer Moore and I think that's great for the Arka series. But like the fact that this is where we're at with the Arka series, it's, and he was by no means, you watch

that Arka race, the back half of the field is a joke. There's a reason for that. Once again, it's all about money. The problem with the Arca series is the eight or ten good cars cost just as much to rent that ride as at Top, Xfinity,

O'Reilly's or truck ride. It's the fact. Yeah. So you are going to get a huge separation of that field more because of it. It's taken over. Unfortunately, we all used to show up in Arker with, you got dad used to build your car. We used to build our car.

You used to do that. And everyone used to go race hard and make a name for themselves. You have eight teams, nine teams right now that get over $100,000 a race. Okay? So, yeah, there is going to be a big separation in Archer. for, you know, unfortunately. And you're going to have this type of stuff. And you can't, unfortunately,

you can't do anything about it. How crazy. Like, tell me you're in this world right now. We just, you just, you just said it. Arka is 100,000 or more race for a top level ride. Truck ride. Give me, what's the price on a truck ride? I mean, a good truck ride's $130,000 a race.

Xfinity. 130 to $160,000. How are they the same is my question? Because it still takes to people. It still takes the time. It's like, and the truck. The truck series, what hurts the truck series is only 24 races, right? You still have to employ most of those people all year long.

So the operational cost doesn't go down. The race costs are less, but you also get less races of race money. So that X is out. You still have the operation, a yearly operation cost that you have to keep the lights on, the people working, you know, working on the trucks to make them go fast. So, I mean, it's just a, it's a money pit. Todd, how hard is that coming up? You just went through this, I mean, what, five years ago probably, you know, obviously

McAnally with a big help in your career. But like how hard is that to look at that? You know, you're trying to come up and like the astronomical numbers of how the hell are we going to get there. Yeah, no, it's a, and I think that's one of the craziest things is, yeah, like as we just talked about is how they're all the same price. And I think that's when you see a lot of guys jumping into the Xfinity series, right? Because why not?

Yeah, why not? You get more experience for the same, you know, cost and yeah you get to race against the best of the like you know better competition and i mean yeah if you had your money to spend we'd probably all do the same thing right unless it's probably a winning car versus not in a different series but um yeah that's a crazy part and yeah you just have to have good partners with you but it's an expensive sport that's probably never changed right from the beginning of it but um yeah obviously i guess more so it's it's more fun for the drivers right when you know the teams have the sponsor

and can go out and get, you know, the driver. And like you said, I think Bill McNally has always been a really good, you know, team for that. And with, you know, Napa support for years and years and years. So, yeah, that was a great opportunity. And I think that really kind of opened my eyes to write, like, how expensive it is. And, you know, all these partners are really what makes the teams go around. So, yeah, it's crazy, crazy times for sure. If they are the same price, then how do you choose which one?

Well, the problem, here's the problem, I think. and it's its sponsor chooses for you because if it's 120,000 to run ARCA and 130,000 to run Xfinity or O'Reilly, well, I'm going to get a lot more exposure on O'Reilly. We want to go here and then you see drivers that probably aren't ready for O'Reilly racing, but they're in O'Reilly races because they're able to buy a ride and they get approved somehow, some way. And that's where they end up because it's, you know, the sponsor's like, well, we want to, we want the most exposure that we're going to sponsor you. We want to be in front of the most eyes possible. And I think that's where you see these people end up in the O'Reilly series. And you're like, well, they don't belong here. But it's just, why wouldn't they not go out?

I think that the people that end up in O'Reilly series aren't paying that much money. Yeah, yeah. You know, they're not. They're ending up in the lower tier cars and, you know, trying to make a little late living up. But even a lower tier car is half. Yeah. Half is still $50,000. Yeah, $60,000.

You know, it's insane. But yeah, I don't know. Out of this race also, Todd, have you ever given an interview as bad as the one that Max Reeves gave the other night? We've all been young and probably given some bad interviews. But, yeah, I don't know. I didn't realize. I didn't realize he'd, I watched the interview and I was like, all right, this kid,

I mean, he's a talented race car driver. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. And he's a talented race car driver. And I just assumed by his interview that he probably let every, I saw he's on a poll. I figured he let every lap, won the race, dominated, people were booing him because of that.

Then I found that he didn't even win. I don't even know what. I haven't heard it. So he, it was not a great interview. And it was I, listen, learned a little humility is the biggest thing I'll take away from this for him. And it's,

I think he was probably pissed off because he did lead most of the race and kind of got pushed around at the end, got ran over, lost the race. I think, Tristan won. I don't think Tristan was the one that ran him over. It was Landon Huffman kind of got into him a little bit. And it was just it wasn't dirty by any means. It was just really hard racing and they kind of got he got shuffled a little bit. But you're making, he's talking about Kyle Bush and you're making comments about like that's, this is why I'm in this car alluding to his talent. And I think

at this point, and he can change this. At this point, you're in that car more so because of the name on the quarter panel than the name on the roof. And you can change that. You can change that. You can, but I need you to do this when you're not racing against two guys, essentially. The Arc E Series, you're running the two PG, what, PGR, whatever, the PRG cars and the JGR car. Those are the three, you know, cars you're racing against. When you get, go to, go to an ARCA national series race and you'll have more competition. Then by all means, if you can kick everybody's ass there and you can kick everybody's ass in trucks or Xfinity, by all means, talk all the shit you want. this was not the place, not the right?

And it was just a bad look for him. Like you said, he's a great kid. Yeah, he is a good kid, and he's got really good people around them. And he was, you know, supporting him and doing, following him and, you know, keeping him in check. And maybe they just left him alone. It might have left him alone for five minutes. I mean, like, you watch, I think we all watched it. And we were like, I didn't see it.

Yeah. I sent it to you. Thanks for watching. But yeah, it was, how hard is that? Even as a young kid, because he's a young kid, I mean, I don't even know, is he's probably 18 17 17 18 how hard is that like you know we go through all this media training but still like when you're pissed off they put a microphone in your face you're going to say things probably yeah yeah it's a learning moment for sure i think um probably not the last one he'll have

for sure too so um yeah i don't know honestly you don't even know what he was like meeting though it was like it was a very weird interview yeah but yeah i don't think he gets interviewed a lot well he won him every race last year he got interviewed all those he did yeah he was Definitely, dude, he was beating him really bad all night long. And then, yeah, I'm sure he's pretty, pretty frustrated to lose that one. But that's how it goes sometimes. That's racing. I bet his next interview is better.

Yeah, that's the only thing that you want these guys, young guys, just learn. Just learn. That was not a great interview. Squirrel McNutt was learning. Yeah. So was Max Reeves. Yeah, exactly. We're all learning.

We're all learning in the ARCA series. I do want to give a shout out because I know we gave Bubba some crap earlier, but it was really cool that he sponsored Brad Perez through the Love to Be Different Foundation. That was a cool moment. I feel like that's a sign of, you know, where the sport is, how much, you know, people are in the sport and want to help others. I think that was a really cool moment. So shout out to him for sure.

And I was impressed that, like, Bub is usually a guy. Like, when he's done with the car, done with his meetings, he's a B-line to the bus guy, like, like, get to hang out on the bus. And I saw him on pit road talking to Brad before the race. I saw him standing next to him for the anthem. And listen, the thing I love, and this is my favorite part about social media, no matter what Bubba does, he's going to get shit on, just the way the world is. And he, I forget how much money he gave him, but he posted how much money he was going to give him.

And the rest of everybody's like, that's it? That's all you're going to give him, you piece of shit. I'm like, this guy can't win. But no, to your point, though, he, you know, that was something that meant to him, a lot to him to help Brad out. And Brad did a really good job. Unfortunately, they got a couple penalties during their race. and they kind of got trapped a lap down, but he was running like 17th or something like that in the middle of the race, which is pretty good.

He was driving Tyler Young's car, I think. They were having a solid race. And, you know, I'm happy for Brad because he's a good little race car driver. You know, like when he gets an opportunity, it kind of makes the most of it. And he does a good job when he gets out there. He's one of those guys where if I didn't tell you he was in the race, you don't know he's in the race. And that's exactly what you want to do if you're in that position. Yeah.

There's one more thing on Brad Press. I love his attitude, too. Like, he's always hanging around, just doing whatever you can, right? It seems like one of those guys that just loves the sport so much. When he's not driving, he's working on people's cars. You know, he's just a good kid. Agreed. All right, more news from the week.

Darius Rucker becomes a co-owner of Legacy Mother Club. What do you guys think about that one? I mean, awesome. I mean, good to have big names. I think he broke the news on whatever interview he was doing before anybody else got to announce it. Low-key. Amy was probably freaking out about that. Yeah, but I mean, obviously it's awesome.

Like anybody, anytime we get recognizable people in part of our sport, it's a good thing. 46,000 hot dogs. Is that a real stat? Oh, yeah. Did you have any? Were you a thousand of them? I'm not, no. I had four.

I had four. You had four of those, yeah. I had a, there's a funny, there is, I don't know, I can't remember how long ago was Dillner. Matt Dillner, he used to be producer on Dale's show and he worked here. Bob Dillner, his brother, we know him from Long Island. They used to do Long Island trackside. Bob was making a fake, they told Matt. he had to win the tally for the week, right?

Like this is, I don't know, 10 years ago, like I said. And they were told Matt, like, he's many hot dogs as this guy. Well, Bob didn't tell Matt. There was no other guy. Bob just kept making marks on the wall. And Matt ate like, 45 hot dogs. And he's like, I think I'm going to die. He's like, I have the meat sweats.

I've got so much, whatever, like nitrate in my body. But Bob was dying. We were talking about this week. Bob was dying. He was like, there was no other guy. I just kept putting marks on the wall and thinking Matt had to chase somebody. That's fine. Funny story with hot dog.

I had zero this weekend, but first stage, like you said, not running it. In the back, my wife sitting in the stands and she said, I'm going to eat a hot dog. Maybe that's going to turn this luck around. Did not change it a lot. She said that, you know, that should say something about her. They're pretty good. I'm not going to lie. She ate one for me.

I mean, I don't have anything against them. You got to get him all the way. You got to go all the way. Dillner was eating somebody, one of the modified spotters, drop one off for Dillner. And it was actually Matt Bonsonore. It was actually Matt Bonsonore. It was Matt Bonsonner, who works here. and he dropped one off at Dillner's like,

give me a hot dog, he gives it to him, and Matt goes just all in, takes a bite out of it, and it was plain. There was nothing on it. Matt's like, this is not even a hot dog. We didn't give, you know what we didn't do? We didn't give Britt enough shit. Like, let's give Britt some shit.

Go for it. Brit was worried that you were coming out here today, and he wrecked the hell out of Luke on Saturday. Like, so we need to... So did he actually wreck him? Do you, like, clear him up? No, no. He just said, drive it in there until the brakes blow out of it.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I forgot. Yeah, I forgot he spots for that. He does a lot of driving up there, though. Oh, yeah. You need to slow down on that a little bit. Is it drive you crazy? No, not really.

No, yes. You can be honest? In practice, I was like, can you tell me, like, leave the corner lower? And he's like, no, dude, I told you that like 50 times. You don't listen to me. I'm like, oh, maybe I just block it out a little bit. But I think that goes for all driver and spotters. It's funny because, like, somebody who's, I did an interview with a newbie last week.

And he were talking about, like, differences between drivers and spotters. And how do you, like, Bubble would be first tell you. like spotting for Bubba and spotting for Dean, I sound probably like two different spotters because Bubba doesn't want any information. He kind of fends for himself. And Dean, I got to give more information to or Luke.

Or like, I kind of spot for Luke, Dean, Gio, all the same way. And then Bubba's a little different over here. But it's like, you like at some point, I'm sure if I started,

we listen to some audio, like when we're watching our analytics meeting. And I listen to audio and I'm like, if I told you that, you would lose your mind on me. So it's fun, like just to see the different driver styles and how much information you guys want.

I love that, like that happens probably, a few times a year, right? You hear a spotter, tell a driver to drive it a certain way, and then it just blows a lid off the driver, dude, and that happens a lot. Yeah. Have you had any moments where you've blown up? Oh, yeah. In the car, dude, you feel like you're doing everything you can. I can see that with him a couple blow-ups, still. Yeah, yeah. My biggest one is when the leader's coming, and he's like, yeah, let's give it all

we got here. I'm like, dude, I've been giving it all up in a hundred laps straight, dude. That's all she's got. to preface that. We'll be in the same spot. I guess they were there. Like Danny was running us down. And I try to preface it with like, I know you're giving me everything, but I need you to keep doing that. Oh, I know. They showed on the broadcast.

He gave it all he got. Oh, he gave it all he got. And then some. Hey, everybody. This is Dale Jr. And for the latest DBC gear, go to shop. Dot dirtymoedia.com. We've added some new shirts. There's one called Win or lose. We're drinking booze. Everything seems to be about drinking.

here at Dirty Mo Media. Go check it out now. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first on this one? I think he's a whiny bit. That's what I think. Send it. Why me? All right, let's head into spot on, spot off. Perfect.

All right, first topic. Alan Gustafin's call to have Chase Elliott Pit early was more luck than strategy. Spot on, spot off, Todd. I would say spot on. But also there's definitely strategy. Like I think you see that a lot of days or a lot of races now. In that last stage, there's guys banking on a caution in that, you know, last 20, 30 laps. We're here, obviously, it was much earlier. And it was very lucky.

But, you know, I'm sure that was also part of their strategy was banking on a caution there. Tommy, how hard is it to make that call where you know, we talked about it before the race on our meetings? I'm sure you talked about it. Like, you know how big of an advantage tires are after whatever that was. probably 80 laps into that run, 60, 70 laps in. But you're pitting and almost giving up two laps. It's about 40 seconds of time. So you're almost giving up two laps.

You're going to be a lap down and then almost a whole other lap down. But you know you're going to make it up as long as it stays green. How hard is it to make that call where you're just like, I'm going to sell out here. And because like for the people that have given Alan Guffs is in so much shit over the last two or three years of that Chase needs to fire him and he's worse. He won this race for them yesterday. I wasn't paying attention to that point because we were working on something else on the radio. But did he not put two on when everyone was put four on? No, no, no.

He stayed out. So he, so he, I know they, everyone pitted on the green flag. Yeah, but he short pit the green flag. He was the first one to come to Pitt Road on the green flag. So he cycled to the lead. But no, he put four on when we all, Ross stayed out. Yeah. He put four, everybody else put four on.

But he cycled. He wasn't, I mean, he didn't get stage points. So he wasn't running in the top 10. I mean, he was hanging around the top 10, but he wasn't in the top 10. and then they made this call. But, I mean, it's a Hail Mary. And they were probably, you know, they were probably maybe 10, 15 laps from coming back to pit road

because that was the play of, I've run the tires off. I've got to come back now and try to make it up again. Well, I don't think that was going to be the end of the pitting, you know, when we all put it at last year. I don't think there was any way he could have stayed out because he was. He had no choice. He would have no choice. He was liver die.

I think they were just trying to get track position at the time and maybe hope for a caution. But anyway, how hard is that? to make that call where you know you're putting yourself two laps down and just pray to God, you're going to be honest. Oh, you're praying. You're praying the whole time. And that caution did come out, but after everybody. That caution.

Pitted. I've never in my life heard NASCAR say, put it out. We're looking for debris. Yeah. That was the message over the radio. And I know what they were talking about, the 10 had blown a tire. And there was a piece. There was a piece on the backstress.

I've seen it from. where I was, we actually stayed out really a lot. We were the last car to pit because of that piece of debris because we watched a 10. And did you pit? Yeah, then we pit it. Then did it. But when they said that, I was like, we're put it out. We are looking for debris.

I was like, oh, that doesn't sound good. I couldn't believe they left it green throughout the whole, like, I didn't realize the 10 had missed pit road once, rode around super slow because I had just saw him as he was coming to pit road with the flat right front. But yeah, it seems like we're trying to stay green this year with a lot of things. You did all the bitching last year. This is what I want. And yesterday when we had pit maybe 10, 15 laps before that.

And I'm like, we had just past Chase to get back on the lead lap. And I was like, do not stop. Because if we ran long, we probably would have cycled back to where we were running like 10th or 12, something like that. But the yellow, I was like, please do not fucking stop. And I was like, don't let this guy stop on the racetrack. And then they obviously had to throw the yellow for. And there was shit everywhere. I mean, there was a lot of stuff on pit road.

And I think that that it was a product of what we saw in, was it Phoenix, where somebody blew a rotor and we all got flats under yellow. Like, I think that was a, if there's rotor parts somewhere, we have to throw the yellow because you don't know where they're at. There's a bunch of them somewhere. But yeah, that was, but that was, I don't know. I'm spot off that it was luck. I think it was a great call by Allen.

And he took the risk and it paid off. And that was a product of the race. You know, there always is a caution there. You know, so obviously they, they gain. planned it, right? Took a shot and got the track position in the jump, you know. I give him props. He said he still doesn't have social media.

Alan? He can't have social media. He's not, he should not. If you're thinking about it, don't do it. Because this guy, Tommy, you know this. I mean, you got, you obviously, that fraternity of crew chiefs is kind of the same as the spotters. Alan is a really, really, really good crew chief.

And the fact these people have been calling for his head for three years is kind ridiculous, no? Very ridiculous, yes. I don't even want to, there's no sense even. That's just social media in general. No matter what you do, it doesn't matter. You can get to people and, like, they can hear your opinion way too easy, but that's the world we live in. Yeah. It's easy for them keyboard worries, man. Stomp them, stomped them buttons. Next topic. Martinsville was a step in the right direction, but we should keep taking steps that way. Spot on, spot off, Freddie. That was a step in the right direction. I felt like that race was maybe as bad as we've ever had there. I don't like. Also. Spot off. Oh, just, I felt like you could, unless you were in an exceptional race car. I saw the 12 and the 22 able to make passes early.

But I felt like, and Todd, you can, I don't know if you were on the racetrack dealing with this, but I felt like you were kind of locked in. It was just if you, wherever you kind of shook out on a restart, unless somebody really, really faded hard, you weren't going to be able to pass them. Like it was just, and I don't know what the issue is there, because I felt like the package was better at Darlington. Needed more still there, but even Phoenix was better. But Martinsville, it seems like we were just kind of where we were last year. Yeah, I agree. I think it's maybe just a tiny, tiny bit better. But it's just like everyone still just falls off at the same rate.

So everyone is going slower and like we do have more fall off, but you still get those just like that bubble effect of you catch someone. There's still dirty air. you have such low grip that you start to slide a little bit more. The tires get even just a little bit hotter and then you're just kind of back stuck to where you were. So I don't know. I feel like it was very, very important to be like super efficient when you pass someone. Or like if you caught someone, you had to get past them. Like right when you got to them or else you were going to get stuck.

Where in years past, like you were just stuck right away no matter what. So I do feel like it was just maybe a tiny bit better, but yeah, it's still very similar. The thing that I've seen yesterday was it was not many of you guys were like trying. You know, like you were like, you weren't trying? No, no. No, very complacent of just trying the bottom. Next thing you know, I've seen a couple guys just go up top going outside past the guy because everyone was a little tight, right? Then you had no grip off.

It's like, well, why didn't you do that 15 laps ago? It's like, well, maybe they couldn't because that guy wasn't. in that position. But I've seen even the 11 and the 12 all of a sudden, like, have enough of trying to do what needed done. Finally, just went, boop. A lap later, they passed the guy. And it's like...

Yeah, I made a lot of passes on the outside, and it's very easy to, you know, clear him like that. But for me, if I ran the top for more than five laps, my right-retire is just holding on up for dear life. Yeah. It's just super important to exit low there and use the left for retire for, at least for me and how my car was. Because if you're just rolled beyond exit, you just use up.

the right rear so much. So I would go up there for five laps, make some speed and then just be hanging right back to. Yeah. Well, there you go. That's why the, I felt, I just feel like Martinsville, you know, you used to make passes by guys making mistakes. And I feel like, and I think it's a lot to do with the shifting is mistakes aren't as magnified as they used to be because you can go in there below the corner and just drop a gear and kind of power out of there where before, you know, you'd go in there, get a little hot, you'd slap the racetrack. And now you were struggling that whole next tradeaway where now it's just kind of, they just rattle back up and they drive away from you.

It's just there's no, like, you don't see what we used to see at Martinsville where guys would get in hot, slide up the racetrack, or you can move a guy. You know, it's harder to move them now because the cars are so locked down. Did you shift the whole race? I did, but I was about to say, do, I think the 9 and the 11 at the end weren't shifting. They're running fourth gear. So that's, yeah, different. We talked about that in the long run.

Like, we noticed the 5 was doing it in practice. And it was beneficial to him. but it's just so it's you know it's we need that's one race that we that should be better than what it was I think and I even seen the day I've seen Gluck's pole was basically 50-50 of you know was it a good race and that's what I hate because that place should be that's my favorite place to spot one of my favorite places to go just because it's what we grew up doing short track racing modified race wasn't any different no they were all like the O'Reilly's race wasn't any different yeah it's I mean it's just Martin's old it's just hard that place is hard yeah I don't think I ever remember seeing

anybody start last and drive to the front at Martinsville. I mean, you know. Yeah, especially in today's day and age two, though, like you look at practice times and literally from like third to like 30th is like two tenths, if that. Yeah, that's what I told Bubba at one point yesterday. We were running like, I don't know, 15, 16th. And I said, you know, we were struggling a little bit. And then he kind of got to the, found the curb and he was running well. And I said, well, you've, you've gained pace. But unfortunately, from us to second, we're running within a half a of each other. So it doesn't really matter.

Just kind of maintain pace here. But, yeah, it's just one of those places. And we've tested there so much with this car. I feel like we've also narrowed that box up to where it's, it's just such a small window now to where it's. Yeah, I was hoping with horsepower would change it. Do we need a soft tire? Yeah, they're trying.

They're working on it. It's coming soon. What? What you got? Nobody's talking about. Do you know what I wanted to ask you about? Because you said this is what I was going to ask you about, because we brought a.

up last night when you were big Alas. What happened? Because I was in the car driving home, I was pissed off. You said the 11, run him in the fence? Yeah. Don't talk shit about my boss. Just, that's my guy. It's phenomenal. Yeah, not good. Not good. That's all you got to say you want to bring it up and that's all

you guys say, it's not good. Let everybody watch it. I'm not saying anything. So what happened? Can you tell me what happened? I just feel that Blaney, methodically, the whole race just saved his stuff, got to second there before that caution come out and then was in position with, and the 11 knew.

Denny's not dumb, right? He knows he's going to have to race the 12, not thinking the 9 is going to take off and leave at that point. But he's like, okay, now I got Blaney on the outside. This is the guy I'm probably racing for the win. He ran him in the fence? Ran him right in the fence. I didn't see it.

I can't comment on it. I'm sorry. I watched it too. I thought it looked like Denny was probably a little frustrated that he got behind for the first time in the race. And yeah, Blaney was racing him hard on the outside, and he had enough of it. He passed him. Racing deal?

No. Denny Hamlin is one of the best race car drivers in the world. It was not a race in the way. He can say all he wants. Sarcasm. On that topic, Jesse Love says, you guys go fucking argue. Let us talk to all of the crew chiefs so that he could have a discussion with Raja Kruith. What do you guys think?

That's what you want, right? That's exactly what you want. You know, get away. Let me have a conversation. I saw it like Raja got out and I think Danny or Jesse was there waiting on him and then I see Danny come up. Stockman is obviously Stockman. We all know Stockman. He can get a little hot-headed. But, you know, credit to these guys. Stockman's yelling at Raja. Rajah. Rajah's like, hang on a second. Let me get my helmet off so I can hear you first of all. And then, but credit to Jesse, these guys, I think Gluck called it like the most mature argument he's ever seen because like these guys, you can tell the crew guys were kind of getting a little ramped up. And Jesse was like, you guys go away. Let us talk. and they just walked through their side of the car and had a civil conversation about it, which is what you want, right? I mean, like, as a driver, that's all you, like the crew guys shouldn't get involved.

Nobody that just should be driver to driver, talk it out, figure it out, right? Yeah, I agree. I think, I mean, it's hard, though, right? These guys are pouring their heart and souls into it, you know, just as much as anybody, driver, crew chief on down. So, yeah, it's, I think the crew chiefs and teams have a right to be, you know, frustrated about the same time. There's a time in the place.

And I think the biggest thing is, for me, would be, you know, have my back because we're going over here, but don't make a fool out of yourself, right? And yeah, I thought, I thought Jesse and Rajah did a good job. And you'd expect it from those guys. I think they're very mature. How would you have handled this situation? I don't know. Would you have ever screaming?

No, no. I mean, when you're getting into bigger situations like that, you have to let the drivers, what am I going to do at that point? You know, it's just like, now I'm going to protect my guy if something happens or if something went wrong. Absolutely. But, I mean, Jesse's demeanor is way above his age. You know, his maturity level of what needs to be done and his focus is, I mean, he's

35 right now in his mind of how he thinks and how he goes about his day and his business. So I would expect that. And Rajah, he's first class. I mean, he's a great kid. He's been doing this a long time. So kudos to both of them. Yeah. And I think there was a product of their own frustration on the racetrack.

You know, they were kind of got into it. and they were both probably upset. They weren't running better. And it just kind of came to a head at the last lap. I think Brent ended up dumping Rajat on the last lap. But I was like, this might be the buddy system. Like, he ran my buddy Jesse over there. And now I'm going to spin your hair all buddies.

But no, but I thought it's just, like I said, I can't get those guys enough credit for like, hey, you guys get lost. Let us talk about it and walk away. All right. Spot on, spot off, which, or I guess really spot on, which nominees you would vote into the NASCAR Hall of Fame, And for the modern era, I would say to pick two. They are Greg Biffel, Ray Elder, Neil Bonnet, Ernie Elliott, Tim Brewer, Kevin Harvick, Jeff Burton, Randy LaJoy, Randy Dorton, and Jack Sprague.

For the Pioneer era, it is Ray Fox, Harry Hyde, Banjo Matthews, Herb Nab, and Larry Phillips. Tommy, I know you have a vote. Like, you're one of the voters. You're in that room that kind of gets a debate going. looking at this list do you already have the guys how influential is that room to where like is it changing

your mind like if you're going in there with a mindset of I'm going to vote for these three guys how much can you be influenced in that room of people like making cases for people? Yeah you can very easily I mean you get some of the same people saying the same things about the same people it's like I know we get it but

sometimes when some people speak up you're like oh man that made a lot of sense and, you know, look, I'm, I consider myself a historian, you know, I mean, I've, like, you know, I know, like, the lives and all these people and what they've done, and it's, like, it's pretty hard to change my mind, but sometimes it happens. Here's, here's where I'm at on this. Every guy, there's 15 people on this list, they're all Hall of Famers, in my opinion.

At some, they're, they're all going to get in. And I think this is the biggest thing that I want to see different with the way we do it is, like, Why are we limiting ourselves to three people? You know, two off the one ballot and one off the other. Like, I think it should be like the baseball voting. If let open it up. There's 15 people on there. Let you guys vote for seven people.

And if that person gets 75% of the room, he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Where, you know, like, because I feel like you would vote. That's what happened. No, but there's only two people that go in. Quantity wise. Like, it should be, like, whoever gets 75% of the room should be able to get in, whether it's two guys, whether it's five guys, whether it's one guy. guy because I think that's a more fair because I feel like everybody on this list should be in a

whole thing. Right. But here's the difference. We don't have as many people elected or part of our sport like football and baseball. So you can't like rush 10 people in a year. I also think that was a mistake we made in the beginning where we were, I thought we put too many people in. Well, in the beginning you had, hold on, in the beginning we had to get those people in else or else now there'd be.

a flood of those people still and the people that deserve to getting now won't get in. So look, in the beginning, you had to put our pioneers in the Hall of Fame right away. You had to get that over with set the tone, set the top of the mountain, you know, of the people who made this sport. And now you're electing the people that followed them, you know? For me, I'm looking at this list. I'm putting in, if I had to vote, I'm putting in Kevin Harvick, Neil Bonnet, and Larry Phillips. Those are, those would be my three.

I don't know, Todd, do you want to chime in? Yeah, man, I don't, man, I wish I knew more about Neil Bonnet and these older guys, but I'll go definitely Kevin Harvick, and then who has more cup wins between Greg Biffle, Jeff Burton? That's a good question. It's probably very similar. I would think it's probably Burton, but it's got to be close. I could tell you when I did all the stats last year, Neil Bonnet last year was average of every. to start was one of the best.

There you go. And to me, like, this is not the Hall of Stats, in my opinion. Obviously, stats way heavily into it, but, like, Neil Bonnet did a lot for the sport. Like, it's the Hall of Fame. It's the Impact on the Sport. It's the impact on the sport. It's recognition for the sport. And I feel like that was a guy that had a lot of recognition and a lot. He did a lot for the sport. He's a commentator on top of driving. Like, he's just a guy that I feel like, but I feel like this is what I was getting at earlier with the

voting because, like, I feel like he's probably not going to get in this year. what was brought up last week on some other show some other show that was brought up Is this why we're talking about Hall of Fame that's not going to happen until May? Yeah, probably So let's just get it out.

Do you think you don't agree with Travis that it should only be cup drivers? Who said it? Travis, the producer on DJD. Oh my God. He said only only cup drivers should be eligible, basically. He shouldn't even be talking.

I'll give Travis credit for one thing. He stuck to it. Like, he owned it to death and good for him. Good for him. It was, well, if you're going to say something stupid, you got to live, you got to, you got to own it. What are they talking about Justin or something? So they, they were talking about AJ Foyt, whether or not. What do you think about AJ Foy?

Should AJ Foy be in the NASCAR Hall of Fame? Probably not. I think he should be in the whole, motorsports. Molder Sports Hall of Fame. So that's where it came up. He should be in every Hall of Fame. That's where it started. And then Dale pivoted to, should Justin be in?

And I think that Justin right now, if you ask me right now, probably not. But I think he's going to go on to win another probably 20 fucking Xfinity or Riley races. And then probably maybe another championship or two. At that point, he probably needs to go in. But it goes back to impact on the sport. Yeah. And I think this is another thing. Like we've seen guys, Stefanik, Richie, Jerry Cook, you know, there's a lot.

Ray Hendrick. You know, those guys, we're not going to see a lot of that for a while. You know, those guys are in. They deserve to be in. And now you're not going to see the guys, you know, Randy LaJoy is on here. Randy LaJoy is going to be in more so maybe for what he did after he's driving. But, you know, obviously he had a great career multi-time champion. But like you're not going to, there's no more O'Reilly lifers.

You know what I mean? There's nobody that stays in that series long enough to do what Justin's doing. or crafting in the truck series. So like this is kind of going to take care of itself where you're going to end up with cup guys from here on out because I don't think you're going to see a lot of, you know, there's guys Philip Morris is a guy that comes to mind, Peyton Sellers, like multi-time national champions

that, I mean, one day will probably get in, but they don't deserve to get in right now over whoever, you know, any of these cup guys. But just to say, just to completely discredit anybody that's not in the cup series, I thought Travis misstepped a little bit. And I think he's, I think he realizes that now. Oh, he does? I don't know if he does.

Tommy, you're going to make sure he knows. He's not going to say he does it. Did Travis ever, he never backed down, right? No. No. I'm waiting ready for you to say, what about the spotters? I'm already in. I got, I just, if you deal with Tommy Baldwin for as long as I have, it's a straight pass to the Hall of Fame.

I will say you were in some sort of Hall of Fame. Maybe not that one. All right, DBC fans, it's time to reunion. All right, let's move on to reaction theater where we get to hear from you fans. Yo, Toddy G. You got to bring that fucking pickle car back, dude. Those pickles are fucking fry. I love that.

What? Pickles is pickles. Yeah, the gorilla's car. They are good. Dude, when we put out that cooler behind the hauler of pickles, they go very, very fast. They have the hot ones too, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

They'll be back soon. So I'm excited for that. I can't wait. I love them. Freddy, you better shave your eyebrows off after this race. Oh shit. The haircut doesn't wear. You got to clean your beard up, man.

What do you mean? That's a mess. This is as clean as it gets, buddy. Oh, Lord. So I am driving home from my boy's birthday party, turned seven a day. Happy birthday. And he is named after Chase Elliott. So happy birthday to my son, Chase.

He gets the win today. Love that. So now I'm going to have to see since I'm a chase sexual if my wife wants to get together and make another baby. And we'll call him Clyde. Come on. Awesome. I was expecting some Chase sexual polls today.

Old Shane Van Gingerberger pretty much ran top ten all day. I'm not saying we're fucked or anything, but me and Jeff Burton better figure out how to say this guy's name right. Tommy, what is it about qualified in the top five? No, I'm meeting.

Top five. Top ten, I think. No, he was fifth. Or maybe six. He was right there, though. What is it about Martinsville? Because AJ was kind of the same way. what is it about Martinsville that kind of lends itself to these road course guys?

It's just a breaking? Yeah, just breaking and timing. Montoya was the same way when he got to Martinsville. It took a little bit for Shane to do it, but he's figured it. I mean, look, Shane's figuring out all the ovals now, right? He's getting, you know, they were a little off last week as a group, but he's getting better. I mean, you're racing, you know, around them more now than you did last year, right? Yeah, no, absolutely.

It was beginning of last year, we went to, you know, Vegas and Texas, all these places. He was, you know, he was a car that we expected to beat. You know, and now he's very, very fast. I think, yeah, it's very impressive. I, you know, I don't think anyone's ever necessarily a massive fan, right? When someone comes in and just beats, you know, all the guys that, you know, I think are the greatest in the world, it hurts a little bit. But, yeah, to see what he's done is just incredible. And, yeah, massive respect for sure.

Yeah. We said he was going to be the most approved guy this year, and he's living up to it. It is currently 6.12 a.m. I'm just crossing into the great state of Michigan again after a 12-hour drive home from Martinsville. I haven't slept in probably 30 hours, and I still think Kyle Bush had a longer day than I did. Kyle Bush had to race with me all day, so I don't think you have much. So you can see in Kyle's interview, he's just about had enough. I don't know what that means for the future,

but I would be surprised to see him back in that car next year. His interviews, he's gotten to the point where he's given the one-word answer interviews. And I don't know, like, they're, I mean, as a whole, they struggled yesterday, obviously, but, like, this guy is still one of the best race car drivers on the planet. Like, he didn't forget how to do this. He just doesn't like this car. He doesn't like the feel. I mean, he just doesn't...

Do you think practice... The lack of practice has anything to do with that? I mean, obviously, he doesn't need practice, but I feel like he does need it, like, to get comfortable. I think if we're allowed to do more things in practice, it would help that. But, you know, I... I don't know, man, he just doesn't like it. But I guarantee you if you get it right for him, you know where he's going to be.

Yeah. Right? But he's... You know the deal, man. Todd, these cars are so finicky. One round. one round in the left rear in or out could mess you up.

Yeah, no, they're the most sensitive car I've ever driven, but yeah, I think, like Tommy said, if you put Kyle Busch in the fastest car, he's going to be at the front. So I think he liked the car a lot more in that situation. I'm hoping for the Cowboys fans he figures it out at some point, because

we're going on two years now. Y'all, I'm pretty upset. I just found out that Brady's been lying to us for years because Denny is not great that was some bullshit Go 12 I knew that was good

I again I didn't see it Tommy informed me last night that it was pretty egregious and I'm gonna take Tommy's word for it He's never lied to me before Is that what you guys do on the show You just say you didn't see it

Well I was I was usually with Denny he does Yeah yeah well It's in his contract The guy signs my check So I can't say anything bad about him Unless like last week He screwed up last week for sure Because it ended up wrecking us

But that was his fault last week. This week, I didn't see it. Sorry. You know what? I'm ecstatic that Chase Elliott won this race. You know why? It takes zero fucking town to fucking fend somebody. Fuck you, Denny.

Fuck you, Denny, bros. Fuck all y'all, you fucking fuckers. I hope you guys have a horrible Easter. I hope Easter Bunny give you shit instead of chocolate for eggs. That guy's a northerner for sure. No, that was like a... That was like a Midwestern guy. That's not like a guy from, where's Blaney from Ohio?

That's where it was. That was not a northerner. Yeah, that was Blaney. That was actually Ryan. Thanks for calling it, right? He said he was calling in one of these times. Damn. We cannot confirm.

Yeah, that was aggressive. That was a little aggressive. All right. I hope you ruined your Easter. That was, I mean, that's bad. That's bad. All right, well, to leave an audio message 24-7. Don't forget our number,

704-802-9-572. We'll pick the best ones and play them each week. Time for the shit show Hall of Fame. This Goodwood Rick, again, I'm sorry that we can't show you. I don't know what we can show you what we can. We'll figure it out. But we're going to talk about these videos again. Did you see this good wood wreck? I did. All of these are good ones. Did you see this one? I was a little busy this week. Oh, no. Oh, no. Parker said we spent billions on safety

for this to happen. Got thrown out of the car, hits the wall, gets in the grass, hits the wall, gets thrown out. But I almost think it's like a flat go-cart. You know, like a flat-track. Like, he just, you want to fall out. You don't want to be stuck in there.

Everything starts barrel rolling. Do you have even seatbelt? No. Dude, that's a long slide. He knew he's going to fly out of that thing. He probably said, this isn't going to be good. He comes in. He gets up.

He's walking around. You can tell he's like, what the fuck just happened? Oh, he's out of it, man. That's definitely going on the list. No haunts, like no next. No, yeah, no, he's fine. That will change. That better change.

What we got here? What about the... This guy. He won. This is a victory lap. Oh. Moto GP guy goes down. He's celebrating...

I think they said it was like a sprint win. I don't know what MotoGP qualifying is, but they said this guy won the sprint and then was celebrating with a wheelie. and busted his ass. He's probably not ready to go back to his team. I'm just going to stay here. I'm just going to lay on the ground right here

and not saying to anybody. Oh, is this a hockey fight? Yes. Oh, yeah. This is the best game. Did you ever go to this? No, but Tom, my son's brother, plays in this game.

Really? Yeah, so I'm not sure. Is he the one on the ground fighting right there? Which one? Is it the seven? He might be. Dude, that's a serious. This is, so this is.

the cops and the firemen event. NYPD and FDNY play each other. And this happens damn near every year where they want to kill each other. Yeah, I wonder if you played. But yeah, I love that. They get after it every year. That's a serious fight.

What else we got? Fairgrounds. Did you see this one? This was a big hit. National Fairgrounds running on the Interoval. O4 Car running about eighth right now. Oh, shit. Oh.

That's one way to get to the pits. I don't know. I don't think everybody takes that route, but that was one way to get into the pit area. How do race cars always find the worst places to hit? Let's just, where's the worst possible place I hit the wall? Let's hit there. It's kind of like on the street.

You know, why are the poles right in the corner where you slide off? You know, why do you put the telephone poles there? Japanese Grand Prix. I saw this one was wild. Oh, yeah, it was. This guy. Oh, Jesus. This is big, dude.

Whoa. Did he end up into grandstands? Dude, the F1 tracks probably aren't used to stuff like this. Not, yeah, they're not used to anybody racing. They don't like to see each other when they raise. Whoa. That was a big one. Is Scotty on you?

Oh, yeah, Scotty. Scotty's coming up next. I don't know if this is a shit show. It's just a... That's a shit show, Tom. No, Scottie. Oh. What do you mean he went through the wall?

Good thing. Thank God, yes. Good thing he went through the wall. I think Will Power did something similar, like, right after this, I think. Yeah. Yeah, thank God he went through the wall. because if not, that would have probably hurt a hell of a lot more. All the videos are on Dirty Mo social.

Dirty Mo Twitter or X, right? That's the only place on. And then you link the, there's a link to Dirty MoX in the YouTube comments. Yep. So, listen, that's the best we can do right now because some of this stuff we can't show you. Like Larry Mack to come in and do play-by-play at night or something for each one. So I would say Goodwood's definitely got to be on there. The MotoGP guy's got to be on there.

The Fairgrounds wreck definitely has to be on there. And probably the Japanese Grand Prix has to be on there. Here's a section where they can join in. Asked BBC. Yeah, absolutely. And that's on excellent. Yeah, these were questions submitted by you guys. The first one, Todd, this is for you.

Do drivers pay attention to the blue and yellow flag? I was getting it a lot this weekend. But no. Do you notice the flagman? Not at all. I literally never see any flags at all. So obviously you see the caution lights a lot, but that's it. Dude, that's a biggest thing I'm looking for my spotter to tell me.

And dude, in the cup cards now, we have that rearview camera. See, I can see so much. I can see the leader coming from a straightaway back. And your spotter too, hopefully. Yeah, yeah. Which talks a lot. You'll know from like a half a lap back. Spiter's coming.

Leader's coming. Todd, do better. He's catching us. Yeah. But, yeah, the flagman. Using too much break. Got to turn a wheel here. I always wondered that.

I'm like, there's no way these guys see whatever. Like, do they even give the blue flag anymore? Yes. They do. Freddie, yes. I don't, I'm not looking at the guy. But I would hope in like another series such as Sprint cars, like they don't have a spotter. So I would hope that you're paying attention to that.

I would think those guys probably a little more in tuned with it. Yeah. But they also have like, I know Hess, like kind of not spots from race control. but he's telling the leaders somebody leaders are coming or whatever probably so I don't know but I was always wondered that like can you even see the flag man or see him but are you paying attention to what he's doing up there

at all a little busy time's a little busy yeah like especially in Martinsville it's like that's probably where you're just after that you're breaking how will you guys be spending your off weekend are you taking off are you guys taking me yeah yeah I'm off this week I am not off this week actually I have to marry somebody because Tommy bailed out because I have to work well you don't have to

But she chose to. Yeah, I chose to have kids, unfortunately. Not unfortunately. So I'm going to Charleston. Doug Campbell's getting married this week. Him and Gina, really good friends of me and Tommy's, obviously. And somehow, some way,

I ended up an ordained minister in marrying these two times. So this will be in the shit show, Hall of Fame next week. Probably, yeah, for sure. But then we're going to hang out in Charleston for the rest of the weekend. What are you doing?

You're on racing. Luke's truck race at Rockingham. And then we go to Dominion. with the smart tour. You going away this week? Did you get it? I'm going to Nashville for two nights. So kind of random, but got a bunch of family going there.

So I'm going to actually hit Nashville hard because we get to see all these cool places for the race weekends, but I never actually get to go up to these bars. One place I'll tell you to go is it's not on Broadway. Go to the lakeside lounge and order a frosty and it'll change your life. Lakeside lounge. It's just, it's over kind of by the football stadium. But it's a frosty mug with Genesee beer. Oh, really?

It's, it's, it's, I, I delete those. Why Tennessee and Nashville? It's just, I think the bar is the guy that's from New York. Is he from Buffalo? Yeah, so, but yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's one of the, it's a place me and Dugger frequent on a regular basis. All right, Tommy, you make a stop during a road trip. What is your go-to-s snack and drink combo? Tommy doesn't stop during road trips.

No, I don't stop. I would hate to drive with you. It's A to B, baby. A-to-B. What, Todd, what do you, what do you got to get? Dude, okay, so we got to stop at love. We got a get real-o pickles. Don't turn this into what school.

You guys stop at gloves. I don't think they have gorillas there yet. Why not? I don't know. We need a B-to-B deal here. Self-space, I think. I don't know. Lifespan on the shelf.

But, dude, I love, I'm a sucker for the roller like tequitos, unfortunately. Really? And then maybe like a Coke slushy, something that's an all-time combo. That's good. I'm like a Mike and Ike's guy, candy-wise, and then, or M&Ms, probably.

And then just water. I just drink water or seltzer all the time, as you can see. So, yeah, I'm pretty boring. DVC picks. I know. I think I won, right? Did you win? Hell yeah.

I know I didn't win. I had Bubba. It's tied up now. Where are we going next, Bristol? I'll take the number five. Hold on. You got to wait out. You don't go first.

So Tommy, you go first. I'm not taking it. The worst goes first. I'm taking Denny. So now you can take the five. Now I'll take the five. Really going on on a limb, there. Both of those picks. He's decent. He's decent there.

You pick for Carson, Case. Go ahead. Oh, man. I sucked at this. I'm so sorry, Carson. Oh, has she taken? Has she taken Ty Gibbs? She has not, I don't think. Carson, I'm praying this is a good pick for you because I sucked when I did it. You did so? Ty has done really well. he's been consistent.

He's been on a role lately. And he's like, he won't a lot of Lops at Bristol before. I feel like he could be a good one. It's a good pick. I was. I was actually going to pick him. Oh, he stole Tommy's pick.

Good job. Sorry. I'm going to go with Bell. I thought that's what the Casey was going to pick. Tye is just always up there. Credit to Ty. All the shit that's going on in the background over there. He has been rattling off top five

one after another. The other guy wanted to give a shout out to this week. Somebody that I thought might struggle this weekend but did not. I also been on a roll but carried it in this week. It was Corey Day. Corey Day ran phenomenal race on Saturday.

And look, there's something to those three while they're finishing and running good. What is it? What is it? They're not running into anybody in the beginning of the racing during the race and hurting their cars and they got a car at the end. I was going to say,

not making enemies during the race and they finally racing. Corey did an awesome job. Dirt track experience. I thought that, I thought that that was going to be a place where Corey's been on a role. He's obviously been cleaner. the last month or whatever. But I thought this was a place that might challenge that.

You know, I thought he was going to have a hard time. And he ran basically top five, I think, pretty much the whole race. So I thought he did a really good job. So credit to him for that. And guess what? He's going to keep getting better. Yes. He is the most consistent guy, I feel like, outside of Allgaier.

At this point. Not great because he wrecked all those other races. No. Yeah, he's like seventh or eighth. I thought I looked because I thought he was second. He's not, but he's not. Maybe no stage points. He's like seventh maybe or something like that.

But he's going to be there at the end of the year. And like I said last week, we talked about last week, Justin locking it up early. He's going to be hard to beat. Like, just consistency-wise, I don't think anybody's as consistent as Justin in that series. He just knows what to do, man. They only tracks, you know. Moving on to weekend winners. Weekend winners.

Tom, what do you got? Anybody? Well, we had Stephen Copcheck won the month. modified tour race. First career win. First career win and a grandfather clock. That's huge. That's pretty good deal, right? Yeah. Cade Wolf won at Millbridge. I'm going to call out Millbridge. I saw a few feet soon. Chad is a CBI car? It is a CBI car. Who else won? Chad did great in the sprint car. I don't really remember where he finished, but with Logan TV. Uh, yes. He decided on my birthday came home after he moved for, he was gone for two weeks,

planned the move for the time he was gone. I saw him in Texas. I saw him in Texas. I saw him in Texas. or Vegas, wherever we were. Oh, yeah. He came home on my birthday to tell me that he's leaving again to go to Vado. So. Good for Chad. That's not a weekend winner. Has a new house, great.

Love it. Love it. Keelan Harbick won. Yes. Keelan Harbord. A one. Shout out to, let's go down the list here. Tanner Thorson won a high limit race, which Tanner's on a roll this year.

I think he's leading high limit points. I liked in his interview all the study and he said he's been doing, you know, to once he takes a lead, what to do, how to block. He is, he is, I spotted for him when he ran trucks. He was a pain in the ass at that point. But, like, he is somebody that is all in. One way, like, builds his own stuff, works on his own stuff. And, but he's, like, it's paying off this year.

You see his run a well. Ken Roxon won Supercross. Dylan Ward won a limited race at Carraway, I saw. Cops that we talked about. Ritesill 1. Midweek. Who won the old shit show, Wake County? Connor Jones. that's right. There's only like 12 cars running.

I saw where Landon said, Landon said he ran out of gas for like three to go or something like that. I don't know. He ran out of gas. I guess it was just that big of a shit show, which I'm glad Carson's not here because we would have to torture her. Oh, yeah. I didn't see it. Do you guys watch it? I did. Yeah, it was a disaster. So, yeah, the leaders were wrecking, many Tyrell, Doug Barnes. They were hitting each other. They wrecked. Lots of caution laps. They fired back off two other guys that are racing super hard. They both run out of gas. And then, yeah, Connor Jones is just there. Is that the second year in a row that people run out of gas there? I think so. But Connor Jones ran out gas actually like 15 laps before.

So that's how he had gotten back to the lead. And good for him. Listen, Connor Jones was somebody that I gave a lot of shit to you on here, maybe two years ago. Because I felt like every time I saw him, he was either wrecking or fighting somebody. You don't see that anymore from him. I think that, you know, he got in trouble with NASCAR. I think he got a penalty in a truck race somewhere, maybe Homestead. And I don't know if that changed them or not.

but like now when I see him, he's fast everywhere he goes and he's not, you don't see the bullshit that you saw in the past. So I congratulate to him, his spotter Joel, shout out of Joel. I think we're going to get Joel come in here at some point this year. Can we get him out of hunting stand? We got to get him out of, he lives up in Mayberry up there. So we're going to get him in here. Who else?

We got Macedo and Buddy won the outlaw races this week. Jet Yanis, Jade Evadesian, who we talked about it. She won a K-KM, give back, K-KM, give back one of the nights there. micro race. So Aiden, Jet Yantis, Jade, and Aden Purdue won those three nights. We talked about Brexton one. Garrett Smith won the Southern National Series

on Flo. Hold on. Carson's not here, so I'll hit you with. If you want a Flow subscription, by the way, most of this stuff we're talking about is on Flow. Visit FlowSports. Dot link slash door bumper clear to sign up, get 15% off. Why would you not do that? Especially now, because everything's ramping up. We're going to do some racing. Devin Moran still on a roll, winning a Lump,

Lucas All race at Brownstown. Todd, anybody else that you saw that won this week? Do you think of? Man, I don't know. Saturday was a good good day for racing on flow. I'll switch in between Modified's, Wake, and Hickory. I know. I was like, I was like, shout out to Derek Neeland. Our buddy Derek, Spotter Derek, ran top five qualified, practice top five.

Qualified second, ran top five all race. I think he ended up fourth. He was pissed off. He wasn't on the podium. But shout out to him for a guy that races, I don't know, twice a year maybe in a late model to go out there and compete with these guys. The Arcasieres is pretty cool. Credit for him to take it a weekend off, basically. I don't think I had the balls even asked for that.

He was there yesterday. He was there yesterday, yeah. But no, Derek's one of my buddies, and he's a good dude on the roof. And to see him run well, I'm sure it made him happy. But yeah, that was, I don't know what else there was really racing. We're getting ready to ramp up, though. It's getting ready to, what's Riverhead? Probably a month out, maybe.

End of April. Yeah. Wall's getting ready to ramp up. Middle April. Stafford's getting ready to ramp up. Sprint cars. midgets, all the good stuff. It needs to thaw out up there.

Just a little snowy. So Chad's running everything these days, huh? Like we've got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So our subject, should we all to talk about? Oh, no, by all means. But to your point earlier, credit to Logan. Logan has not run a lot of wing races.

Logan Ceev. Run the Chad's car with Spire Motorsports. Ran top five, the one that I watched, he was, Logan's a really, really talented race car driver. And I forget what a racetrack they were at, but he started top five, lost of Loss of Ler. early and then but he battled back and I know he gave up a couple spots at the end but he ran top five and the night before that they ran up in the top 10 so credit to those guys Chad shit is fast

chat shit is always fast even when Ty's driving it so even though he's not at home he's doing well I hope you don't give him too much shit it's my boy so take care of him be nice be nice to Chad he lives at the shop it's fine it's fine Tommy you're so you're off to uh you got a lot of shit going on this weekend. Where we got? I know, but this is the... Rockingham. The truck. And that is the Ream.

Team Ream or whatever that. Team Ream. Yep. And that stuff, you're all in on that, right? You Tripp. Has Tripp been working with them all year? Trip just works on Luke's truck. Okay.

So you guys, this is the first time, or you tested, but this is the first time out for that truck. Good stuff, right? Yeah. So we're looking forward to that. Modified race, maybe? Dominion on Saturday. Saturday. Both kids.

No, everything's clearing up. You cleared up. Thank God. I was worried about Rockingham raining out. And Luke, what to do with Luke for the smart race. We haven't talked about that issue. Casey, what are you doing this weekend? What do you got playing anything?

Easter. You're going to hide some eggs? Oh, yeah. You go to Billy's? What do we do? You do. Billy does a egg hunt. I don't know how he does it, but yes.

There's a lot of things that I don't know how Billy does. Billy. Billy. Billy both. Billy is building a building. Billy is building. He's building a palace. It's not a building. It is a palace back here, about three roads over. It's massive. It is. Can you please give us a sneak peek of your speech for your wedding?

He doesn't have one. I got it written. Oh, please. Where's your, I can't give it? I gave it a Doug last night. Doug needed it more than me. Is it like going to be the friend's episode where to have and to hold it's hold and to have? Yeah, I just said, I said, how short do you want this to be? I wrote it and I read it through. and it's like maybe two and a half minutes and Meg's like that looks really long. I was like it's two minutes. I said, how long do you?

I feel like it's supposed to be a little bit of a speech, but I know I got it written and I'm waiting on final approval from the happy couple. I do hate that. I'm missing it. Yeah. I know they're not happy with me. They're pretty pissed off of you. But once they have kids, they're probably going to go.

Tommy was probably, you know, they're being a little. Todd, thank you for joining us. Enjoyed Nashville. Let me know if you need any tips on where to go. I've maybe been out there once or twice. You need to call Dugger. Dugger's going to be in town. Call him up and he'll be a good tour guide.

But thank you for joining us again. I wish the day went better. I was keeping an eye yesterday. I hope this guy runs good. And it wasn't ideal. But thank you for joining us. You'll be back at some point sooner or later. Absolutely.

I appreciate it. Yeah, good talking to you guys. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next week with a modified remote show. Yep. Sorry.

We got to do show next week. I think it's going to be me and you and Mark Martin. We're going to talk a little bit. Where are we going to be? I'm not going to be here, but you might come in here. Jesus. We're going to talk all things cleatis next week.

See how that race goes for him and the Xfinity race. I'm sorry, the O'Reilly race and the truck race next week. And hopefully, we've got a lot of good shit to talk about for Luke, maybe, hopefully, better than this weekend. We're praying to God, everybody. Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next week. We're out.

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