DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST - Antonio Gates Opens Up On His Hall of Fame Journey & Names His Top Tight Ends in the NFL Today

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

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We're back with another episode of double coverage. Really, bro? That's how we're rocking? You saw a fake smile I did? No, I didn't. Mine's very authentic. So you're just happy right now to be here? Yeah, I'm just very happy to be here.

Thanks for having me on your show. Thank you, man. You're just a good friend of mine, and when I see you, I get happy. Oh, that's great. For everyone watching, just, you know, don't look at this big black thing sitting in front of us. I don't know what this is. I've never seen a bigger mic in my life, but we're just going to act like it's not here. Yeah, I can't help himself but to touch it. I keep touching. But yeah, it's all good. Yeah, yeah. Muscle memory. Yeah. Man, NFL went down. A lot of block kicks. A lot of block kicks. Special teams league. What's up with that?

Bro, I'm going to be honest. The kickers, man, just I hate the subject because every kicker in the league just sucks. And I like, I want to challenge a kicker to a 1V1 and just see who can make more field goals because they obviously can't make more than me because when I bet money on them they always lose. So it's just like, it's crazy to see. I would do it as well. I would engage in a kicking competition with them. I mean, we would win. They got no talent, bro.

Anyone can kick a field goal nowadays. They literally can't kick without getting blocked. Yeah, I know. No, that's the, you know, that's the blockers. You know, that's their fault. It's not the kickers fault. No, you got to kick it higher. Yeah, but like, you know, if you're not getting blocked properly, it's like, you know, it's a little tough.

But yeah, were the Rams even trying to protect things? I mean... I was so... Bro, they blew that lead and they just... Bro, I know they're so pissed going to the locker room. Shout to Puka.

Puka's having an amazing year. I know. Shout to Puka. They don't get it done, though. Jordan Davis. Rumble, young man, rumble. You know what's crazy? Everyone hated on me

for getting Devonte Adams on my fantasy team. Had a touchdown, you know, good points. Yeah, that's why Nian Shat probably shouldn't decide a team, ever. Yeah, and then this week I lost by like two points

because Leportadage just didn't want to catch a touchdown. Yeah, he was just getting those third... Yeah, but... Going back to the Lions, I did win my bet from last week. You know, if we don't talk about it first thing. Good job. Good job.

You know, it was plus two and a half. Lions plus two and a half. Derek Kennedy, third fumble in three games. He's going to bounce back. Yeah, he's going to bounce back. He's going to bounce back. But it was a great game to watch. I was happy.

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Yeah. Fact. We actually, one of our kind of producers and I, had lunch with Eagles' offensive lineman Tyler Steen. For real. The guy who false starts every time. Oh, shit. Did you let him know how much he sucks?

I'm just kidding. I'm just joking. You're great. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're sending that to him. I was kidding. He does false start, though, for sure. Yeah.

But, no, as we were talking to him about, you know, we're like, oh, you got a ring and everything. He goes, one ring. Like, after this season, I'm going to have two. Like, didn't skip a beat. at all. So they're very confident. What do you think about that? He did, like, no hesitation. Like, yeah, what do you think about the Eagles? You know, they think that. I mean, they've been proving us wrong for a long time. And they find a way to get

it done every time. I mean, yeah. I mean, the refs definitely should have called that false start that we did it again. For real. Yeah. Pilate loves to go false start. Yeah. He's just happy to be there. Yeah, he's just happy to be there, man. Well, he knows they don't call it, so why not, right? How's your, how's your sleeper pick doing for the year? My Rams? Oh, I thought it was Cowboys. That was your sleeper pick. Ah, shit.

Damn, yeah. You're cooked, mud? Bro, we're, yeah. I'm just happy I didn't draft, Dak. He's just having a bad start. I don't think. I think Dax could. I think they have the worst defense I've ever seen.

I mean, losing Michael. I think it's your friend, Trayvon. No, it's not. He's doing great. He's doing great? He's doing great. Can we cut the Trayvon Dix trying to cover Roma Dunesay? Bro.

Everyone has bad. It's like, all right, it's like a bad podcast. He's having four, he's having three straight bad podcasts. He's just, bro, well, you know, you know, he, he's having bad games, so he's going to do good, bro. He's such a nice guy. He works so hard. He's going to be great, though. Yeah, no, yeah.

But I regret saying on the show that the Cowboys' Defense was like Jukal level in the secondary. Yeah. They're below that. They're like, they're make a wish level. No, they're learning, bro. I think Trayvon's going to step up in the locker room and, you know, bring. Yeah, no, he's doing great so far, man. He's going to get, thanks, Trayvon.

He's going to get into it, bro. I have full hope in him. I know him as a person as a player. He's very locked in. Yeah, I actually think that the Cowboys' defense being so putrid makes me think that the Micah Parsons' loss wasn't as bad as we thought because I don't think he would change a thing. They need a lot.

They don't need one defender. They need like a corner. They need two safeties. They need a linebacker. They're also playing pretty good teams, bro. The Bears? The Bears. They were 0-2 before that game.

Yeah, but they're good. Come on, bro. The Bears are a good team. They're not the 1980 Steelers with Lynn Swan and like, bro, like, what are we doing here? Luther Burden, Luther Burden had how many yards? I mean, he's catching flea flickers? How do you let a flea flicker get off in 2025? What do you mean?

It happens all the time. That was some mad in stuff, bro. Yeah, bro, the games of all. Ben Johnson's like, well, we got the Cowboys. Why don't we just open up the playbook here? Let's try a flea flicker. Wide open. Trayvon's like trying to jam the receiver with his left hand.

He can't do it all himself. He can't do anything by himself. I don't think he could guard a high schooler. Yo, bro, you're talking about the same Trayvon Diggs that led, you know, the NFL intersections? He's been the worst player in the NFL last couple of games, bro. You have a weird hatred for him, I don't get it. I don't have a weird hatred for him.

We love Trayvon Diggs, bro. Great guy, but we got, something's out of change. How about this? The Giants, yo, Trayvon gives up what? Trayvon in the secondary, sorry, give up 450 yards of Russell. Yeah. The next week, they can't do a thing. Now he's benched.

Who? Russell Wilson. Yeah, yeah, he is. Jackson Dart comes in. He's getting a lot of hate. I'm curious to see what he does. I think he's going to do good. He's got an aura.

He does. I think it's like the haircut. Yeah, he cheated on his girl too. For real? W. Jackson Dart. He's a goat. Yeah, no, he's him. But the bad one, too.

Peril? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, look at his hair. Yeah, no, he looks aesthetic. Like, he looks like a, like, you know what in Madden where you make your own player? Like, you create a player and then you play as a quarterback. like to mentor him like to help him out and he calls eli and he's like thinking he's

and asked for like playing advice he goes can you get me dinner reservations seriously yeah oh my god probably took a bad one out um shout to jackson dart shout to him yeah i'm excited to see what he does yeah i'm excited i'm a fan of lane kiffin too he's a dog too yeah see sidney thomas said that uh he slid in her dms why do girls do that i don't i think expose like just follow through and make you know i think she should have just dated lane kiffin yeah He's really him. Yeah. I mean, look, look what he does in the offense, start of the ball.

I actually worked for Lane Giffin. Doing what? Do you know that? I was the youngest Division I, Division I, coaching intern in the country. I was 16 years old. I worked under Coach Lane Kiffin at FAU. Seriously?

Yeah. Wow. Why didn't you pursue coaching, man? I was, I could have. I mean, honestly, when I speak to Lane and DJ, they were like, man, like, if you keep doing this, you'll be a lot better than Belich. Oh, yeah.

You would. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They were thinking I would have won like eight to ten Super Bowls. I can see there's emblets. Yeah. So didn't go down that route.

I went down the podcasting route, obviously. Yeah. As you can see right here. Yeah. Yep. So, man, that's all it is. Also, a lot of people were calling Cap that I was with A.B. Floyd Mayweather and Jada kiss in the Miami Heat kind of back area.

That was real. Can we put up the picture? Now we get to talk to a Hall of Fame. But there is AI and shit nowadays. There is a. Oh, my God. And there's photo. Photoshop. We'll never really know, but I guess we could take your word for it.

You know, whatever happens happens. You don't seem like, you don't, you wouldn't lie. You are Jewish too, so you're very honest. We're known for our honesty. Yeah. Not for real. Oh, also happy, um. Russia Shana. Russia Shana.

Yes. No one's in the offices, bro. I'm trying to like do shit and everyone's, thank you. Thank you. Jewish New Year. What are you doing for the New Year? Shout to my people. I had a beautiful dinner last night.

With your family? Yeah, I chose to be with you instead of my family. So I was with some friends and stuff. Cool. Do you get gifts for Russian? We did not do gifts, but it was a celebration. It was a happy time. Shout to my Antoniel, and I'm sorry I couldn't be at home. Damn. Podcasting is more important. Yeah, it does. That's what I had to explain.

Also, to all Neon's fans out there, just because I'm Jewish, does not mean I handle Neon's day-to-day. How do they think that? Yeah. I see the tweets and stuff, brother. They're like, this is your Jewish handler. Jay Handler. Oh, my God. Yeah, I run everything. I thought I was just your friend, and we do the podcast together, but I'm also making all the calls You are and you have a percent

And you're just you know You're just robbing me bro I'm glad I could talk about it on this platform Yeah thank you I'm glad we could give you the platform To really expose this um This yeah man yeah my family set me up So all right we're about

Antonio Gates on Let's see let's see what we're talking about Yeah Hall of Fame our second Hall of Famer That's special We had at least like five more Yeah yeah I think The fans are going to be shocked We're going to pull off this next month

I'm excited bro Let's bring him in. We are now honored and privileged to welcome on our second Hall of Famer of the season. NFL 2000s, all-decade member, 116 career touchdowns, Los Angeles Chargers Ring of Honor, and newest inductee into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Mr. Antonio Gates. That's a great intro. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

Thank you for coming. Yeah, glad to be here, man. It's been a long, 2,000, 25. after you're going to the Hall of Fame, man. Words really can't describe how things changed, how your life changed. But if I had to try to describe it's like heaven on earth, man, going into the Hall of Fame. So I'm happy. And I'm happy to be here, too.

Top five day for you ever? Probably top day, you know what I'm saying? Just because you get a chance to thank all the people, you know, along the way. Normally you get in a space where you always get praised, getting praised, and I finally got on the stage and was able to thank people from high school all the way to the professional. level and to see everybody, right? To see everybody and the health and

just to watch it develop and the things you wanted to manifest in life, to see it come to light. There's no better feeling than that, man. So I'm very excited. I'm very happy about that. Congratulations, man. I don't know. This is a random but I was just looking at you. By the way, have an amazing

fit on. Amazing outfit. Yeah, no, you came drippy. What is your shoe size, bro? Right. I've never seen Louis shoes that big in my life. Man, this is 15. But, you know, these are Louis 14. It's crazy. You're a 15?

Yeah, I'm a 15, man. So, yeah. They're comfortable. You know, nowadays, man, they make the big comfy shoe. Yeah, facts. And I'm trying to keep my swag, too, man. I got a 23-year-old daughter, so she makes me feel like I'm getting a little older. So I try to keep my swag, man.

I feel you're doing a good job. Keep it up. Yeah, no. You're killing. Oh, I got nothing. Look at me, bro. Yeah, look at him. Yeah, it looks half on us.

What the fuck? All right. What do you do it? What you've been up to nowadays? What you've been doing? Nothing, man. Really, you know, people think life changes once you go into the Hall of Fame. They do in a sense of, you know, obviously you're a Hall of Famer.

But I'm still a dad, man. Still doing the same daddy duties. Still with the charges. I guess I would say I become a Hall of Fame dad now. That's about the magnitude of how I see it. And no, man, I'm just with the Chargers, hanging out, doing what I need to do for them. using my time-wise, you know, say the least. They're having an amazing season.

Yeah, they're amazing. For the first time since like 2002. So, man, I can't say enough about how happy we are about to start. You think they're legit Super Bowl contenders? They are. I think so because you've got to think a lot of things in football is based on the leadership, right? And I believe we've got some of the best leadership qualities in Jim Harbour and his staff. And I think you see it, right?

Because when you think about the players, I mean, you think about the high names, the big names. We've got a few guys, you know, the Cleos and the Keynes and the officers, Justin Herb and Derwin, of course. But they play together so well, man, as a team. I think that's the foundation of winning football, and you see it. You see it in the first three weeks, and hopefully they can carry that on throughout the season. You were part of so many talented teams. I mean, you, Philip Rivers, the Danion Tomlinson, like, such a dynamic trio. You had so many seasons where, like, 2010, for example,

you have the league's best offense, league's best defense, last and special teams, right? You're in the AFC with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. You guys just, the town was off the charts, but we're unable to get to that Super Bowl mark. What do you think is going to separate this Chargers team versus those ones? Well, I think it's, you know, sometimes it's the luck of the draw in terms of the momentum. I really feel like they have a momentum going. Like I said, it starts with the leadership,

which is the head coach, right, starting for the general manager on down. And I think they believe. I think when you see, once you start winning games, close games, like the last one, they just won, you start to feel a sense of belief. And I think that's the separation

when it gets down to the last two minutes of the fourth quarter. You believe in, you got it. You're believing in your teammates. You ain't got it. We got it. We've been here before. So I guess that's the reinforcement when you actually win those games. You talk about that 2010 team.

We were losing those games. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. So it's like a reverse psychology. You start like, man, I hope we pull this one off. And so I think they believe, and I think that's the most important thing. It's like you're just like an awe shock when you view those rosters and like you try to encapsulate the greatness, L.T.

a Hall of Famer, you a Hall of Famer, Philip Rivers should be a future Hall of Famer all in one offense. Yeah. You know, that's the, that's the beauty of sports, though. You know what I think? You take individual talent and you can place them where you want to place them. In any relationship, team, you know, corporation is who works together well. Because that's the determining effect.

That's why it's the ultimate team sport. We've had the unbelievable, I mean, we've had playoff Super Bowl runs. We've had moments of a Super Bowl team. But I believe the continuity. of which I see, which I just seen Sunday because I was at the game, watching those guys come together and making the plays and Keen and making that touchdown catch and guys going down to Justin driving them down there to get the last three points, that's the dynamic that changes you from being a very good team

to a Super Bowl champion. Random question, but who's your favorite team that you ever played with? If you had to pick one. I know it's hard, but. You're going to edit this? No. Hey, man. I hope you edit this, man.

No, you know, man, I grew up with the idea of everybody has their own place. You know what I mean? Like I got spaces of guys that I deal with. So we played in a locker room, right? I got my locker room dudes that didn't even get in the game. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Guys where I go, let's play dominoes.

Let's play cards. Those guys were different than the guy. Obviously, Philip is a guy that I've always had to have the right continuity with. That means our communication level had to be at an all-time high. The guy I need to call on the phone. think about this coverage, man. So we have more dialogue naturally because of what we were trying to get accomplished. But I got so many dues, man, that we wouldn't eight together. We wouldn't hung out together. You know what I'm saying? So we together at that moment, 2008 to like 14,

we was just a great group together. It wasn't nobody that I can say stood out. Yeah. We did it. We talked about your outfit. If you came and you weren't prepared to be dreamy, we talked about you. So you would have we got on you, you know what I'm saying? So it was just one of those continuity situations where I really don't have a personal favorite. I just got a group of guys, and they all showed up for the Hall of Fame. It says a lot about how we were as teammates. Wow, that's gratifying. You were all-conference at Ken State.

At one point, you had hoop dreams. Obviously, ended up being an NFL of Famer. But talk to me about that process coming out of college, because you're the only NFL of Famer to never play college football. I know, man. You know, I'm still wrapping my head around. it off, to be honest with you. It was a situation where, you know,

I put most of my skin in the game was in the game of basketball. So for those who didn't know, and some people do know now because the story's been out there, but my whole philosophy was that I wanted to go to the NBA. I mean, you wouldn't have been able to tell me at 21 years old that I wouldn't go into the NBA.

Since I was in high school, I was an American high school player. I was an all-American college player. I was close to 30 points in high school. I was 20 in college. So I just, I never, all my friends, the friendships that I've created high school from the Magic Roundball Classic to ABCD camps was all basketball. So you fast forward it and I go to the NFL, right?

And all of a sudden, I'm playing the NFL and I'm the only guy that's going straight to the locker. Like literally, I remember being a rookie and I was literally the only guy just, all my friends was in the NBA or playing overseas or whatever. So the concept was just that God's, you know, what he wants for you, Trump's, whatever you got going on, man. And that's the storyline that I always say. Do you still hoop nowadays? Man, no. No.

I do not, man. I don't play. I don't play. And I should play. I should play because guys, you know, they always give me crap about not, you know, playing basketball. But my body, man, the game of football is so, you know, it takes so much out of you. you play at the level that I was playing at. I play with everything, bro.

Torn this, you know, torn hips, high ankle sprain, broken ribs, you name it. You know, dislocated toe. And so, no, I mean, I don't even, you know, my kids ask me to do something. I quick to tell them, man, I got 10,000 yards on these legs. Y'all got to go grab this. So that's the concept. I just don't do nothing no more, man. I'm involved with my kids and I just, I watch.

I watch all these, you know, paled coaches, act like they know. what they're talking about and I just listen. You know what I'm one of them parents. I sit back and I make the observation. I don't dive in. I let my son get taught by the right coaches and I just listen. I'd be a parent at the games if that makes sense.

I don't come in as the Hall of Famer. You know what I mean? Or at the pro football player. We've all been there. You know those parents. I'm like, I just sit back and when he gets home or my daughter gets home for volleyball, I just tell him

this is what I think you should do to improve. And I try to allow him to have their own path, man. Damn, you're a good dad, man. Yeah, man. Doug your dad. Absolutely, man. You made that transition from basketball and football.

If you had to pick one NBA player today that you think would transition best to the NFL, who would it be? I will say this, man. I like tough and anything. People always ask me who the best between, and I'm going to get to your point, but people always ask me who's the best athlete between the football player and a basketball player. And from my experience and playing, when you're good,

you good. When you're tough. It's generally the tough kids, you know what I'm saying, normally flourish. So if you, if you plan at a high level in the NBA,

because it's more of a mindset than it is anything else. So I would think that most of the guys who become all pro will go to the next level, whatever, the Bronjames, the,

I mean, you know, you name it the Janus, Anta Coupal. I mean, of course, you know, like,

you know, the way Drayman plays, Yeah. I mean, it's so many of them, but the guys that plays, in my opinion, in a space of being tough, those are the guys that make the transition. The guys that prevail when things get tough, things get rocky, they find a way. Those are the guys when I see it and watch. Them the guys, I think, that can make the transition.

And most of those guys will probably be tight-in. I even want to watch Steph Curry, as small as he is, I'm sure he can go play defensive back. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He finds a way, right? So that's just, it's a mindset pretty much. That's what I mean, when I got to the NFL, I just found a way, just like I would do in basketball.

I would just find a way, right? And that's the competitive edge that most of them have. I'm sure that they can make the transition. For someone like LeBron, I mean, 6'8, 260, fast. Like, if he made that decision to play in the NFL, it didn't there would have been any stopping him? I mean, he would be Hall of Fame of the Braheams who came to see. or whatever he was.

Yeah. Because, you know what thing is, the attributes, like I say, is the attributes that gets you to the NFL, gets you to the NBA. But the mindset, your will, the things that you can't test at these combines, at these NBA camps, those are the things that usually allow you to make the change

in terms of how you are all pro or you are, it gives you tear and make layers. And I think LeBron has it. He's an all-time mean score. He had to have a, mindset. So he'll take that mindset and play receiver. I know he played receiver high school. And I'm sure he would probably be one of an all-time lead receivers. You know what I'm saying? So I'm sure Jerry Rice can go into court. And, you know, I don't know what he's doing, but he had that

mindset. The mentality is even more important than the physicality. Because it's a formula. It ain't what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? If they wanted to do it in business. And that's why you see so many people who fall short, they become in business and they still become successful because they had what we consider competitive nature, competitive edge. And they allow them to flourish when the time comes. I have a question. So I'm a streamer. And obviously in your career, I have to stay disciplined, stay motivated.

Like sometimes for me, like, I was streaming. I'm like, you know, tomorrow the next day, I'm like, I don't want to do it. I'm tired. I can't think of anything. I don't want to get up and have to do all this. So how do you like stay locked in, just in general? Man, it's tough, right? So that's what makes the difference.

I think that's where you see the emotions running. when you get to the Hall of Fame and you up there speaking, right? Because what happens is that what success looks like to me is you get tired today, you wake up and you get tired tomorrow. You get tired again. It's like it's the consistency of doing the same things over and over. And I think once you start tallying up weeks after weeks, months after months, you do a year.

That comes all, it's like the same thing. Nothing really changes. Since we've been a kid, You know, I mean, myself, since I've been a kid, I will say, I've been hearing the same thing. Work hard, blah, blah. Yeah. Right. Get up.

Work hard. Yeah. Work hard. So it's been happening day in and day out. I get the same noise. I get up. I get tired. I don't feel like doing this this again.

And it's kind of like the same formula. Like you put into it what you want out of it. And I look up and I was in a Hall of Fame. And now when I talk to my kids, I'm saying the same thing that my daddy told me. Yeah. And so the formula, you don't change at the point. pal, I hit coaches talking to the pal teams. That's the same thing they send to the pro teams.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's just the same concept. It's just like, you know, you get tired. When you want to separate yourself, the margin of it is so small. It's really not what you're, you know, what God's blessed all of us to do is the concept of who are willing to take and discipline themselves to a level which is, you know, unbearable.

Yeah. That would be the difference in the streaming world and the podcast world. in the NFL, in the camera crew world. You know what I'm saying? It really don't matter. The formula to being successful, and I only know that because I changed sports. You know what I'm saying?

It was like I grew up thinking I'm going to be in the NFL. I didn't grow up thinking about playing football, but I took a mindset of what made me successful in basketball because I was only 6'4, so I would have to outwork you. Yeah. And I got to the NFL, and I said, I'm outwork you. Yeah. And I look up and I was starting as a rookie.

Without no college, I started as a rookie. I was all pro in year two. That's crazy. And I'm like, damn, it's crazy. Yeah. All I do is just work harder. You know what I'm saying? And I look up and I was in a whole fame.

And all I really think my distinguishing qualities was the fact that I was willing to work when times got tough. I was willing to work when everybody wanted to go buy and spend their money. I was willing to work when everybody said, man, we got it. I was just willing to work and I look up and I was at the top of the totem pole, all-time leader and touchdowns in the history of the game. And it wasn't by a coincidence to me because I knew I had worked. It was what was underneath the surface is what nobody can see. So I'm pretty proud of that, man.

I'm about to start sharing every day, but you motivated me. Yeah. Yes, sir. It's all water under the bridge now, but you list your accolades, all-time touchdown leader, four tight ends, a 2000s all-decade member. I think your resume speaks for itself among all football fans, myself included. You weren't a first ballot Hall of Famer like many expected you to be.

Did that sting? It did. It did. I didn't know it was going to hurt as bad as it did. But I guess when you get so close to anything, you know, when you're at the door, because I made it to the finals. So when you get that close, I guess it felt like a failure. It felt like I failed.

It felt like I lost. And anytime you do that, you really regroup. You know what I'm saying? And that's exactly what I did the following year. I knew the same format was coming up. And I couldn't, you know, it was out of my control. And so what I did is I became a better person. I said, just keep being the best father.

You're going to be. Keep being the best ambassador for the charge. You're going to be. That's out of your control. And it goes back to the formula again. I never stopped growing, essentially. I was just like, man, look, whatever happened, year two is going to happen.

And finally, it happened. And I wouldn't change it for nothing in the world. The Chargers playing the Lions, my hometown. I mean, so God had structured it where I was the last one to come on stage. I was essentially the headliner. So it made sense for me year two, more so than it would have made for year one. And like I said, I wouldn't change it. Once you get in, man, it's water under the bridge.

You ain't thinking about that. You're happy to be in. Yeah, once you're in. Did you look to anyone for advice during that time, like Lidaneon Tomlinson? No, you know, I normally go back to what I know to be true, which is what I would say to most people. I just stayed being Antonio Gates. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I just stayed being myself. I knew what I meant to the organization. I knew what I meant to the game of football from the standpoint of essentially part of changing the position. I didn't want board members to make me feel any less of a person, if that makes sense, right? So I didn't, you know, yes, I was disappointed essentially, but I just, you know, I mean, I'm just thinking like, and what world when you can be the all-time leader, so I mean, you don't get in. You know what I'm saying?

That's crazy. And I knew sports. That's another thing. I knew sports. So be playing game of basketball, me playing basketball, me playing game of football. And I'm just saying to myself, I've scored more points than anybody. Yeah. And what world, when you score the most points,

you ain't considered the best? And nothing like off the field. And baseball, who scored the most runs. And basketball, who scored most points. I mean, football, who scored the most touchdowns? We create narratives. We put asteris on stuff. But in reality, scoring points was always, from what I know,

to be considered a tier one kind of player. And so I just let myself, you know, I slept on it for a couple of days, and I just turned around, I just start being the best version of me again. God's timing. Yes. When you look around the NFL today, who are the best tight ends?

Give me your top three. I know a lot of them, boys. You know, y'all got some good questions, man. I'm going to be getting some text messages when I leave once they see a show. Man, I think right now I want to say as a complete tight end, and I'm putting the ashtrick on it because I want to make him the best. you know, kiddos is probably, I believe, the most important piece to his team than any other tight end. And obviously, Travis has, you know, he's a Hall of Fame, in my opinion, too.

And so he's a big part of what they do in Kansas City. But obviously, I understand the dynamic of getting older. Yeah. So, but I would still say he has more of an impact still on a game plan than any other tight end. and I'm saying that to trying to compare it to. I think Kiddles is the most important piece, but I think Travis is probably the most impactful in terms of once you see Kansas City, you've got to stop Travis, right?

Yeah. You know, got to make sure they maintain him. I think the most talented one is, I mean, the boy from, and I hate to say this because I'm a charger. The kid for the Raiders was super talented. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? It's so many layers, and I'm saying it to make sure I'm covering.

in my friendships too. So I think he has the biggest upside. Just on what he did as a rookie, he's still growing, right? But I still think kiddos have the biggest impact on his team because of what he's capable of doing in the run game. So when you take him out, it's things that you've got to do and plays you've got to call specifically because he's not in the game no more. And so I would say kiddos and I would say Travis Steele, I like the way the guy I played last

night for the Ravens, Andrew, although he took a lot of slack from last year. I like him a lot. I mean, I like a lot of them. I like LaPorter from the Lions. I like, I mean, I like a lot of guys. You know, I like Ingram from Jacksonville. I like Kyle Pitts from the Falcons. Yeah. I mean, so those are the most talented ones in my opinion. Kyle Pitts is probably the most talented one. He can do so much. What does he need to get him over the home? Right. That's what I'm saying. So whether or not he plays at a certain level is one thing, but he's super, super talented. And I had a chance to talk to him when he was at Florida. So he had the same coach that I had, Tim Brewster.

So I understand the dynamic of what Tim Brewster has taught him. But I don't know what they're doing it a lot. I don't know if they're using him properly. I don't know if he's in the right system. So it's a multitude of dudes, but I would say kudos, if I had to pick one right today, I would say kudos would be first. And I still put Travis in the mix because the respect factor. Yeah.

And, you know, between Kyle and the guy. You know, I hate saying the Raiders, so I don't even want to win it. Holy Chiefs. He's a good player. You hate the Chiefs, too, right? Yeah. Not as much as I lose. Not as much as the Raiders.

I can't like the Raiders, man. The Raiders are the most hated for you. Yeah, yeah. I got a chance to take a picture with Ice Cube and he had the Raiders hat on. Oh, man. Let me get away from you dude before I break out. Which is great, though. He's a great dude.

Obviously, he's an icon. So I'm happy about that. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, appreciate you for coming on, man. Appreciate it, man. It's an honor to have you here.

Seriously. I appreciate, man. Thank you for coming out. Dude, I appreciate it, man. Thanks. What's up, guys, Ms. Sixak here. Welcome back to double coverage. Now, we have the beautiful Olivia

joining us to ask us some questions. And we have Los Angeles Chargers Safety, Mr. Tony Jefferson on. Thanks for coming, man. Thank you. Got that outfit on, man, looking fly. Chrome. Shout out showroom L.A.

Shout out. Shout out. Facts. Okay. Okay, I'll ask you guys a couple questions about the NFL. So, I was the expert.

Uh-huh. You are the expert. Okay, okay, let's go. So I will start with Neon. In your opinion, who's the most over-rated player of NFL? Damn, well, Straxor.

I don't say anybody on the Chargers. Nah, man, we love the Chargers, bro. We love the Chargers. You know, I am a Texans fan. So, yeah. So it was a little, you know, a little messy right now. Most overrated player, shit.

I would just, honestly, I would say every kicker the league they're all overrated because they like and other than the chargers yeah yeah no no no yeah other than dicker yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah shout to dicker the kicker shout to dicker the kicker shout to dicker the kicker um like bro like bro i want to go on a field and see how hard it is to kick because i just don't get how you can miss a 40-yard field goal for the game yeah i think it's it's more mental than anything like when it comes to like especially like crunch time but it's hard bro it's kind of like when i watch them kick it's like

a golf swing. Yeah. Like with their leg. Yeah. It's probably hard. You only have one job, right? Yeah. I mean.

You do a lot of things. They just have to kick it. Yeah. You have to tackle and cover and read the defense. I mean, I get the pressure. Yeah, but.

It's the pressure, but I just don't fuck okay. I have more pressure on streaming. I would say Trevor Lawrence, for sure. Okay. He's been single-handedly ruining our fantasy seasons.

Yeah. Yeah. He can't get the ball to Brian Thomas Jr. Then they just win? They're winning, but we're not winning. Yeah. Yeah. I give it.

Yeah. Who would you say, Tony? Who do you like to line up against? What? There's got to be someone that, like, the media overhypes. I don't really listen to the media, but... Nah, Kat! You're a streamer, bro.

You're streaming now. You're not Antonio Gates. Bro, I can't say something's overrated. I feel you. But there are some people... All right. There's definitely some trash... I got better...

Who's the most underrated? That's not on the Chargers. That's not on the Chargers. I like that question. Most underrated right now, I would say, I got to give a shout out to my boy Caleb Williams. Like, he gets a lot of backlash and stuff, but like, I think, like, his talent, his arm talent and, like, what he can do at the QB position is pretty fine. He just, he just needs a little more time. And I think, like, as the season goes on, he's going to continue to progress.

I was a scout for a little bit, so I watched him, like, heavily, and he's beast. Yeah, you were out of the NFL. Yeah. Turn scout. Not the long ago. Yeah, no. So like... That's crazy, bro.

I played for the Giants in 22, and then Allied got hurt, so I was like, let me just call it quits. I already got 10 plus years. And then I was like, all right, let me scout, right? Because my GM with the Raven was like, we think you could be a good scout, so I did it. And I was like in a cubicle. That's crazy, bro. I was like, nah, I just started working out again. Fuck now I'm back out here hell yeah killing it bro w Tony going crazy okay so Tony which teammate would you not let your daughter date

What's the mate would I be honest be honest be honest Bro, there's literally so many all of them well pretty much most of them but like for sure not letting them date This is dude name oh no I can't do that I guess a girl Kim Hart. Kim Hart. Yeah. Anybody whose last name has, like, something like heart? Yeah.

You know they just have bad intentions. So which teammate of yours do the thing would do best on Love Island? Oh, Day on Henley. Oh, Day on Henley. Day on Henley. Like, bro, he was like, I'd never watch that show, but he, like, love that show. And, like, they came to our practice one day, and he was, like, out there doing the TikTok dances and so.

Oh, shit. He was like, oh. tapped into that stuff for TikTok dances and shit? Me? Yeah. Yeah. Not at all. Nah.

You're tapped into streaming, though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm super tab. You might have to start. Super tap. No, I already started. No, I'm saying the TikTok dances.

Oh, the TikTok, nah. Well, actually, loki, I got a challenge to do the Chris Brown challenge one, the do dance. Oh, my God. How lucky you might. If you get in the end zone, you might. Yeah. Nah, for sure. But, nah, TikTok, not yet.

I'm a Twitch streamer, though. Hey, what's your Twitch? What's your Twitch? Let him know. My Twitch is. T underscore Jeff 23 Hell yeah She was on Love Island

Oh you were Yeah For real? Yeah This last season No A few years ago Like three years ago

Oh how long Has it been going Oh I did it in Europe You know So Dang that's what so Straight off

Almost Almost Yeah Damn W Olivia W. W. Oiv

Okay W Olibs Olibs All right Next question Next question, Zach, what music artists do you listen to on a game day? Oh, like, I would say the podcast are my game days. Oh, yeah, I was about to say.

Yeah, I'm like, it's almost like a game day. Straight up. It's my game. I would say Drake. Drake the whole way, yeah. Leaks, released. Yeah, anything by day. I don't play in the NFL, but I want to, so like, before a game, what's like your, like, what song will turn you up?

Like, that one song, there's got be that one song you play every time. That one song, it's a song by Mazzie. It's called Blahara. Blahara. Mazzi. Mazzi. How does it go? He's West Coast rapper.

You want to hear that? Yeah, rapper. Yeah, we want to hear that. You say you need the job done. You know you're supposed to come to meet. Am I allowed to curse on here? Yeah, man. Yeah.

Nah, never mind, bro. Yeah, try. Let's get the brand deals, man. Yeah, I know. You need a McDonald's meal. Shit. Quick 16. PR, PR, PR.

Yeah, VR. I've been working on mine, too. So, I'm right with you, bro. You're ball on. man. I'll be watching you, bro. We're going to do that practice, bro. Yeah, no, for sure. We're going to run that. A million percent. Like, run me through, like, a whole, like,

like, all of us just, we just do, like, a practice day and, like, just push us to the limit. No weird shit. You're going to tap out. No, I'm not, bro. Look at me. You think he's going to tap out? Yeah. We'll see. Bro, have you seen our...

What makes you think that? You got to see a picture of our strength coach, and then you'll see. Oh, fuck. He benched like 300. 300? What? Feathers. Fucking feathers, bro. I can't bench shit, bro. Well, my top three is Nav.

TJ and Drake. Nav. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder why. Bro, first brown boy to get it popping, bro. Yeah. I love Nav. Shout to Nav.

Brown Boy connection. Yeah, I love you, Nav. Cool brown. Is there any brown people in the NFL? When you say brown people? Like Indian. Indian. Or Pakistanis?

Uh, I don't think so. There's really no representation anywhere. It's your time, bro. Yeah. I can't wait for this practice, bro. Fuck, man. You got to be the first brown boy to get a pop in football field. Yeah, for real.

I got to, bro. Yeah. Might become a kicker. What position would you play? Kicker? Kicker? Yeah, bro. We should kick field goals.

You better kick the hell out of the ball. A million percent. Because I got a real problem with kickers. Like, it's not even like a troll. Like, I'll have Cicter be out there with us. So I have a question to all of you guys. Yeah. What's one thing about you guys that nobody knows?

I would start with Tony. One thing about me that nobody knows. Nobody. Nobody. I really enjoy, like, and don't ask me to do it, but like, I'd be singing on my own and shit. Under the shower? Not even just in the shower, just like.

So you are a good singer then? I think I am, but like, I'm kind of like spooked to do it in front of people. Yeah? Yeah. I don't think they should be. I am. Dude, doesn't it look like I'd be a good singer.

You can interrupt something, bro. You can sing a little bit for us. I know, I said, don't have. You got to do on your own time. Like, like Usher vibes or what? Yeah, sure. I like old school music too, like, you know, Carlos Santana, like Maria, Maria. What that? What is that?

You remind me of a West Side. Bro, are y'all that young? You don't know that song? How old do you think I am? I know. You're like 21. Yeah. Damn.

But that's a classic, bro. I was born in 02. Wait, how old are you? 23. You're 23? What about you? All you are young bucks. I'm, bro, I'm 33.

That's not even bad, bro. Trey, Tray. Unk. They call me, um. Everybody calls me. But you're young in the heart, though. Yeah. Your legs don't move fast and shit.

Yeah, yeah. No, you're showing the young boys and what's up every week. Yeah. Facts. That's a fact. It's all up here, bro. It's all up here. Okay.

And Zach, how about you? Just like in my free time, like, you know, I like through a lot of charity work and, like, save a lot of, like, kittens and orphans and stray animals and stuff. That's great. That's amazing. Yeah, I do that a lot, yeah. What was the foundation that you did it, too? Um, because me and him want to just come together and, you know, help. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to help, bro. Yeah. I work with a lot of them. There's actually too many of you count. Okay. And I don't want to say one, not the other. And I got to show love, you know.

Let me know I'm going to donate. Yeah, I will. Yeah, I will. Yeah, would you? Yeah, would you? Yeah, remember, remember when I let you borrow the lamb truck? Oh, that, bro. Yeah, bro.

You're welcome, bro. Yeah. Yeah. And have you guys show love to the animals and to kids or people who need house? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's important. That's what we do.

That's what I do personally. I hope so. Yeah, Neon doesn't really like them, but yeah. Nguyen, what about you? What's a long about you? No one knows. Bro, everything's on the internet, bro. There's not one thing.

That's cat. I swear, I promise. That's cat. I've been on, I've been since I was 13. There's nothing. I know things about you. No one else knows. The fuck.

Who's your celebrity crush? Ooh. That's that love island shit. Who's your? You have a celebrity crush. Who's your? I used to be Ruby Rose, and I, and I, and I streamed there. I remember that streamed.

I streamed like three times there. Yeah, no. Cool girl. She'd be shaking that shit on camera. NFL players love her, bro. That man of NFL players that have talked to me about her is insane, bro. Like they try to like detects me. They're like, yo, set me up with Ruby.

I was like, bro, I talk to like once every few months. Fuck, I'm not her best friend. Nah, she's OD. Right? She is. She's tough. She's pressure. Yeah, she's super pressure.

She's pressure. Damn, bro. Should I tell her to come to the practice? Low key. Yeah. Unbiased. Where do you see the season going? unbiased like it's impossible I feel like no I just felt like I don't know if you saw this last

game but like how we fought back to win like that was it was pretty special and then like the fact that like we were able to just stay calm like in those moments I thought it it built like I said it built a lot of character for us so I feel like any situation that comes up like any moment in the game we don't panic and we're going to going to need that down the road. Obviously, it's very hard to go undefeated. But you take it week by week, try to be one by the end of the week. I think we could go as far as we want to go.

And we want to be playing in San Francisco come 2026. Yeah. That's the vet mentality, though. For sure. Y'all are on three, though. Wow, I didn't know, man. Yeah. Of course I knew that, bro.

I watch every game. It's pretty shit season, bro. But, I mean, as long... Tough to watch, huh? At least we won last year. It's a long season, bro. There's three and all. Yeah.

I mean, you know what, bro, now that I know you, you know, we're going to be friends and shit. So now I'm going to, I'm going to cheer for the Chargers before I didn't want to. But now I know, you know, you talked a lot of trash after the playoffs. Huh? You talked a lot of trash after the playoffs. I mean, yeah, because the Texans, I mean, if we play all, then it's smoke, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do play off.

Oh, when? Oh, when is it? I think it's like week. 14. You're going to see me. Front row in the crowd. I'm going to be for the crowd. I'm pull up, for sure.

You're going to root for the Texans like in front of the ones. Yeah, but I'll have his jersey on. Oh, okay. I don't want to be weird. I don't want to be shit. Yeah, yeah. I got you, bro. That's love.

That's real love. That's real love. Hell yeah. Shit, bro. We appreciate you for coming on. We appreciate you, Olivia, for, moderating. Watch out for that stream chat coming soon.

Yeah, stream coming soon. At the bolt. Me, Neon, Dicker. You coming soon? I'm coming to, yeah. Miss exact. Olives, you slide? Olives is coming.

You slide. O'Liv has to come. Wait. I'm sliding. Do you win in the life? I live in the life. All right. All right. That's going to be lit.

Hell yeah. Now we've got the MyBooky.orgie segment of the weak, knee. Let's do it. Let's do it. We've got to use the code double, though. Got to. D-O-U-B-L-3. Gamble, it's good for you.

Yes, sir. Starting off, Jackson Dart, making his Giants debut against the Chargers. We just had our boy Tony Jefferson on. We had Antonio Gates on. Chargers are minus six and a half. The total is 44 and a half. What are you going with? I think I'll take the alt-line.

Giants plus seven and a half. Pretty decent odds there, huh? Yeah, pretty decent odds. Bro, last two weeks, I won the last two. Yep, yep. I think I'm going to win this one. We'll see. Yeah, I'm with you on this one.

Jackson Dart coming in. Yeah. For real? Yeah, I think they keep it within a position. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, shout out to the Giants. I think Jackson Dar has a successful debut.

A lot of people hating, but with fans. I want to see him do good, bro. Yeah. I really do. He's him. Yeah, for sure. Eagles bucks. Eagles minus three and a half.

Baker, been the clutches player in the league. I called him maybe the most underpaid player in the league. I still stand by that he is. For real. Yeah, he's him. I'll take the Eagle spread. Eagle spread, minus three and a half. Yep.

You don't want to buy it down? No. No, you're going to keep the three and a half? I'm buying the two and a half. I'll go three and a half. I think the Eagles, like, I mean, their offense just hasn't been the best, right? But I think they're going to pick it up at some point. Yeah, they do.

They do. Yeah, I don't know. And didn't Mike Evans just get injured? Mike Evans did get injured. Yeah. We still have to see what we're going to do with him. He's in a play or not, but facts. He's a good injury.

I'll go Eagles. Yeah. But Baker, they're both really good fourth quarter teams. I'm going Eagles too, though. I'm going to buy that point. That could come to bite me in the ice. Yeah, it could for sure. So many bets I've lost because of that, bro.

I know. It's actually, like, tragic. Ravens Chiefs, Baltimore. Some good games is me, bro. Total 40 and a half. What's crazy is either the Ravens or the Chiefs are going to be one and three. Bro, the Chiefs, I think they're just done for the season, bro. I don't know, like, it just doesn't feel the same watching them, bro.

I doesn't feel like I'm seeing the same, like, my homes that I've seen, like, it just doesn't feel right. I don't know. Yeah. What's the odds bar? What's the, uh? So, Ravens are minus two and a half. I think the Ravens bounce back, bro.

Yeah. After losing to the Lions, which I said what happened, you know, fuck, man. I just knew it. But, yeah, I'll take Ravens. Yeah, man. Three fourth quarter. Bro, Derek Henry and the fumbles. He's going to have a monster game.

I'm telling you, like, 150 plus yards, at least. He has to bounce back. He for sure has to bounce back. But you can tease the Chiefs, get them to eight and a half, and then bounce that total down to like 42 and a half. That's what I'm going to do. Okay. That'll be my pick.

Yeah. Chiefs, Chiefs over teaser. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I think they'll keep it close. But you're right about the Chiefs, man. This is the worst they've ever started this season in the Mahomes era. What is it though? Like, why is it?

Like, why do they not look like the same? They need worthy back. He's going to come back this week. Yeah. They need juice. They have no juice. No rice. There's also, yeah.

Kelsey is washed. He hasn't been playing too bad, right? He's, dude, he's rough to walk. Bro, he took out his own teammate. That's the reason why they can't win. That was an accident, though. It's a football play. I know, but, like, you can run your own route.

He dropped a, the second week, he drops the ball. But, but you brought your dog to set? Yeah, you know. Did you ask if you could have her on your? Yeah, I'll pay the fine. It's all right. But, um, I just got separation. Yeah, she's like running straight into the mic.

Yeah, probably clipping audio. You know, you want to say something? Yeah. You want to say something? All right. She did. Um, shout out. Yeah, shout out to Oriya.

We'll see who wins, bro. I've been on fire. Like, I think you should be the streamer. I should be the better. I've been on fire. Tell me having it. Pro. Is that the worst thing to tell it better?

Bro, you pick the Texans to win the Super Bowl. Okay, the first week, no. You pick the Cowboys as your sleeper team. You pick the Texans to beat the Rams. Like, I'm not trying to go into the past. But it's not last week. I don't want last week. But whenever you have a downfall, I don't dwell on it.

That's true. I hype you up. But you're winning, too. But I just. I know, I know. But I like to bring. you up and you like to bring me down, man. No, you know what, I'm sorry.

Thank you. Let's just transition to the drip checks you can bring me down. Go ahead. You know, we still have Cowboys Packers. Oh, man. That's game of the week. Micah returns to Dallas, bro. I'm not streaming on Sunday.

Oh, my God. Packers minus six and a half, total 47 and a half. Bro, I think the Cowboys cover plus seven and a half. These are some dumb picks, aren't they? No, I don't know. No, we'll see. The NFL is like the wacky, there's block kicks every single game. I know.

I know. Like, it's been the most unpredictable. I think it's ever been. The Cowboys, man, no defense. Cedie's out, bro. Oh, he's out. Tyler Booker's out. Cooper Bebe's out.

Cooper Bebe. Dude, their center. Their center and their right guard. Those are big losses, though. I think the past, last week the Chiefs were minus six and a half. I took the minus four. That cashed. I'm going to do the same thing here.

I'm going to take Packers minus four. Okay. Everyone's, you know, saying the Packers, they're gassing him up crazy. Jordan Love. But they lost to the Browns. Yeah. led by Joe Flacco. Yeah, bro.

Shit. Blow that game, bro. Oh, my God. Brutal. That was bad. That was bad. But the Cowboys without CD without Booker, man. Blan's been hurt.

Diggs can't cover anything. Yeah, Pickens got to step up for sure. We'll see. No dumb penalties, yeah. Now we've got to transition to the drip check, man. I'm ready. All right. You want to go first?

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Shout to my stylist Fuzz. He picked these up for me at ComplexCon. One of five or something. I think Tatam has done one of the other pairs. Oh, those are the pants you were telling me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tatum be rocking them before the games. And then I got the Lightning Fours.

Just, you know, came through light today, you know. Chilling. Yeah, sorry. Yo, free pants I got when I was streaming with Iggy. Some company just gave it to me randomly. Amiri Slides. Good fellow. Good fellow. Goodwill.

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