DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST - DeSean Jackson on Hurts & AJ Brown, Chip Kelly Fallout & Why the New Kickoff Rules Suck

Episode Date: February 14, 2026

One of the greatest deep threats in NFL history joins the pod. DeSean Jackson breaks down the Seahawks vs Patriots Super Bowl, his transition to being the head coach at Delaware State, what surprised him most about coaching, and why Andy Reid was his favorite coach. We also dive into the Eagles outlook, the Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown situation, the “book on the sideline” debate, new NFL kickoff rules, playing through injuries, and who DeSean’s favorite wide receivers in today’s NFL are. If you’re a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles, NFL coaching, wide receiver technique, special teams, and real behind-the-scenes football talk — this is for you. ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Intro + DeSean Jackson joins the pod 00:22 – Super Bowl reaction (Seahawks vs Patriots) + halftime show thoughts 01:50 – Season ending + how fast the NFL comes back around 02:20 – DeSean’s first year as Delaware State head coach (8–4) 02:59 – Biggest surprise coaching + players taking initiative 03:42 – Coaching style: players coach vs accountability 04:28 – Leadership, motivation, and building young men 05:16 – Favorite head coach: Andy Reid (why he’s a father figure) 07:44 – Longevity: TDs from Donovan McNabb to Jalen Hurts 08:11 – Being an elite deep threat despite being undersized 09:50 – Chip Kelly / Eagles era + “college-style” NFL culture clash 11:37 – Spit incident discussion + who instigated 12:26 – Eagles outlook: “Super Bowl or bust” mindset 13:26 – Cowboys talk + Micah Parsons / George Pickens discussion 14:59 – Fixing Hurts & AJ Brown: is it salvageable? 16:14 – Trade talk, money, pride, and WR mindset 17:39 – Philly pressure: why it’s hard to play there 18:12 – “Reading a book on the sideline” debate + distractions 19:19 – Jalen Hurts: professionalism + winning vs WR expectations 20:45 – NFL kickoff rule changes: why DeSean hates them 22:02 – Injuries, toughness, and old-school football mindset 23:19 – Toughest injury DeSean played through + only surgery in 15 years 25:00 – Favorite WRs today (Chase, Jefferson, Adams, Hill, Evans, JSN) 26:10 – Seahawks surprise season + Sam Darnold + Kenneth Walker 29:12 – Bijan Robinson vs Jahmyr Gibbs debate 30:18 – Matthew Stafford respect + Rams talk + McVay 31:06 – NFL “script” / ref influence discussion + catch rule confusion 33:52 – Delaware State 2026 message + where to follow DeSean Follow DeSean Jackson Instagram: @101DeSeanJackson10 Twitter/X: @DeSeanJackson10 🔔 Subscribe for more athlete interviews + NFL breakdowns New episodes weekly — players, coaches, and real football conversations. #DeSeanJackson #NFL #PhiladelphiaEagles #JalenHurts #AJBrown #AndyReid #Seahawks #Patriots #SuperBowl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys, Mystic Zach here. Welcome back to episode 14 of double coverage. Today I'm joined by one of the greatest deep threats in NFL history and current head coach at Delaware State, Mr. DeShon Jackson. How you doing, bro? What are you doing, bro? I appreciate you having, man. Super Bowl Sunday, we just had it. What was your thoughts for us, Seahawks Patriots?

Oh, man, that was a little sketchy Super Bowl, man. It kind of took me back to when the Patriots played the Rams when it was a low-scoring game. At first, it was like, with like four in field goals. Yeah. I'm sitting back. It was crazy because I already knew. I was telling everybody to Seahawks, man. They're too good of a team.

Patriots, they didn't really have no receivers to me. I feel like, I mean, and Stefan is obviously a ball in. But besides that, they struggled. And I was just sitting back. It was kind of boring, bro. I'm like sitting there like, man, when is somebody on score? They go all the way to the halftime. Nobody scores.

My lady was like a big on watching Bad Bunny or whatever. So I'm like, man, let's get to the halftime show. We watched the halftime show. I couldn't understand nothing. I know he's a big-time artist, no disrespect to him, but I'm sitting there like, man, I just couldn't really get into it, bro. I walked away at that time, bro. What am I going to?

I don't know what he's saying. I don't know what's going on. No, for sure. Shout to him, though. Yeah, but now overall, I feel like it was, I predicted it. Like, you know, I felt like the Mystic Deshawn. Yeah, the Seahawks was going to handle business. I feel like anybody that came from NSC was like the better team.

Like, you know, obviously, if we really go back, that Seahawks and that Rams game that was like, I feel like we knew who was gonna be the Super Bowl champ from that game right there. Yeah, the AFC was weak. Yeah, it was bad, man. And then, you know, Bo Nays got hurt too, so. Yeah, once he broke his ankle, I was like,

oh, God. I know, in the last, what, like the last two minutes of the game, too, that was hard, man, to see, bro. But, you know, overall, man, it's crazy because just like that, football season's over, you know what I'm saying. And now, you know, our season, obviously, we ended back like the end of November. So, you know, it's crazy, like,

during this period of time, like football season's over, but then like watch how fast it starts back up. You know what I'm saying? You're going to look up and it's going to be August and it's going to be right back again. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've had a totally different schedule now as a head coach. Sure. How was your first year of coaching?

You did a great job. You guys were eight and four obviously looking to improve. Yeah, I mean, I feel like my first year, man. It was exciting, but at the same time, like, I didn't know what to expect, you know, because all these years being a player and then now transition over to being a coach. For me, I was very anxious and excited to see, like, you know, off season, I was training, we did spring ball, we did summer camp, and then it was like, like, man, I want to see, like, what is it going to be?

Like, are we going to go out there and get smacked? Are we going to win? So I was like, before that first game in the season, I was just trying to figure out, like, what was going to feel like or what was it going to be? But, like, you know, man, I can never predict me to be a head coach in college, but, I mean, you know, it kind of fell on my lap, man, and, you know, I'm having a great time doing it. What was your biggest surprise being a coach? I mean, I think the biggest surprise, you know, man, seeing,

guys take initiative, man, wanting to, you know, better off their selves. You know, the information we're teaching these young men, you know, and how they're grabbing the right information and it's transition over to the games, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, as a coach, you know, it's a fulfilling moment that your players, you know, they're doing everything you're asking them from meeting rooms, you know, to going out on the field, to taking those to, you know, walk through, just spending like all the time you can just to be the best you can on the field.

And, you know, I think they did a hell of a job doing that. What's been your coaching style? Are you a players coach? Are you trying to relate to them? Yeah, I mean, I feel like for me honestly, like the coaches that I love playing for was the coaches that can relate to the players, you know? So, you know, I didn't want to become this coach and be like, you know, not realistic to being a player, you know, because as a player, man, like, it's a lot of things you got to go through, you know, it's not going to always be perfect, you know, you're going to have mistakes, you're going to do the wrong thing, you know, and as a coach to be able to say,

you know what, I was watching your shoes, you know, I can crucify you for doing things. Like at the end of day, like, you got to own up to it. If you make a mistake or you mess up, you got to own up to it. So, you know, just holding them accountable, having a high standard. And, you know, at the end of the day, just being the realest for sure. Is it fulfilling being a leader of young man and getting to see them on their journey? Yeah, I mean, being the coach, man, for one, is inspiring. You know what I'm saying?

I think without being an inspiring, without being a motivated, without being a leader, you know, it's going to be hard to have success being a coach. So since day one and hopping in, man, I've been feet on land. That's the mentality I say, you know, like you always got to be where your feet are. You know, you can't be here thinking about Miami or wherever the heck else you're at. You know, so just being invested. And if any, like anything you want to do in life, if you work hard that you can have success. That's my model.

You know, I don't care if you're not good. If you don't have experience, like, you know, I didn't have experience coaching. You know, I hopped in it and I was successful, you know. So that's just kind of how I've been able to be successful in my whole career. Absolutely. Who was your favorite head coach during your career? You obviously play for a lot of great ones. I mean, honestly, I say, like, to be honest, like, Coach Andy Reid, and the reason why I say that because he was like a father figure, you know, like, obviously he wasn't my dad, but like he was understanding of like he was born in California. He knew how it was, the temptations, being young, you know, having like a lot of people relying on you and depending on you. for me was hard because, you know, being growing up in LA, you know, growing up in the streets, poverty, you know what I'm saying, like there ain't really no hope, you know, so not, it's not a

lot of people you could look up to this motivators besides like, you know, the homies in the hood or homies, you know, just doing some positive things besides that, like, you know, you have my dad, my older brother, but it's not really a lot of it, you know, so he kind of understood where I was coming from and, you know, what I had to do to make it out. So I was just able to relate to him and, you know, he was tough, he was hard, you know, I ain't gonna say it was easy, but at the end day it was like a, it was like one of those parents where it's like tough love, you know what I'm saying? He's like understanding like he's gonna lead you to there,

but like at the end of the end of he can't do it for you, you know? So that's kind of like my teaching. You know, I want to help lead guys there, but, you know, obviously I can't drink the water from them. They got to drink themselves, you know? When Coach Reed goes to Kansas City, did you know the type of success he would have? Because he's, he already had an incredible career in Philly.

And then he's extended in Kansas City. Now he's regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all time. Yeah, I mean, I think Coach, Coach Andy Reid, One thing I said about Coach Andy Reid is, you know, he's a fair and honest person. And, you know, he expects certain things to be done a certain way. You know, there's no if-ans and bust about that. You know, he's going to show you how it's done and he'll teach you as well to, a teacher as well too. So I think those kind of coaches to have those characteristics are the ones that are very successful.

So to say, like, the way he left Philadelphia, like we kind of struggled that last year. And, you know, when he left, I didn't really know. what he was going to do, but I just knew he was going to be successful. So for him to go to Kansas City, but they won like two, two or three rings, right? And over like 10 years. Three rings. Yeah, three rings. So, I mean, like, to say he didn't win, not one in Philly and then he goes to.

Because that was his knock. Yeah, that doesn't what they would always say. And win. But, I mean, you know, at the end of the end of the day, he had a, I ain't going to say the greatest quarterback. But it's arguably to say, you know, Patrick Mahlers would, I think at the end of his career would probably go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks. but, you know, Tom Brady in my book is the goat.

Nah, definitely. For sure. One of the craziest stats about you, you caught touchdown passes from Donovan McNabb and Jalen Hertz. Crazy errors, right? That's like with three different decades. Yeah, and you were taking the tops off of defense is literally your entire career. Did you, when you enter the league, did you expect to have that kind of longevity? I mean, it's insane.

I mean, I was one of those guys. where I feel like, you know, I invented a different type of style in the NFL to look at a guy of stature that's under six feet. You know, I land 510, 511. So to have that type of stature never was like over 180 pounds in my whole career over 15 years span. So to be able to say, like, I came in and I played on the outside. I wasn't like just a slot receiver.

I wasn't just returning. Like, you know, I mastered the wide receiver position. And it's not too many guys when my stature that's accommodated. that so I feel like you know I definitely earned it and you know I'm a kind of sore because I feel like you know like I said coming into the NFL that was underlooking or overlooking a lot of smaller players you know so I feel like now after what I did and a few other probably before me like okay we can't pass up on somebody this shorter it's not the biggest just because of their size you know so

I think they started giving a lot more people you know opportunities because of that you know what I'm saying no we talk about the greatest D threats ever and you and Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson, those guys are so much bigger than you. For sure. Totally different. And what's crazy is, too, you know,

you speak on the greatest deep dread ever, like Jerry Rice is up in there, too, even though you don't really think of it as him being like a home rear hitter, but like he used to catch five yards slants and go to distance and take it like 70, 80 yards. So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely a fulfillment moment

to be able to say, like, growing up, L.A., went to Cal, obviously left SC, you know, I committed to S&A. but then I turned them down. I was like, I'm going to Cal. But to see, like, my path and then, like, what I did in the NFL to be able to say, like,

one of the best deep dress ever, like, it's just, like, the hard work's paid off. It was a lot of dollars, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was a lot of people that didn't think I was going to make it past three years in the NFL. Yeah. So I just kind of. I mean, people quit on you during your prime. Yeah, not for sure.

They did. I mean, I ain't going to say it. Oh, you said it. Chip Kelly, I mean, gives you away. We get shady on the pod, too. We talked about that. Sure. What was that more?

Like because for me at home, I was, I was, I'm a Cowboys fan. I couldn't have been happier. Damn, why didn't tell me you the Cowboys for him before we said now? Yeah, I couldn't have been happier. When Chip got rid of you, I mean, that was like Christmas morning for a Cowboys fan. No, I mean, he just had a certain way he wanted to do things and, you know, I felt like it was kind of more like of a college setting, you know, and, you know, him coming to the NFL in his first year and was it, which was 2013 was my biggest year I had.

of all my years. You know, his, I would say his philosophy, his style was great on the field, but it was just like everything he was asking us to do as far as, like, I would say petty things. Like, we're a heart monitor at night. Like, you're asking somebody that's five, six-year, seven-year vet to put on a heart monitor at night just to see how many hours you're sleeping. Like, you want to test our urine to see how hydrated we are.

It was just like, it was guinea pig. You know what I'm saying? I get it. You know, you come from Oregon and you want to test all us for, like, certain things. It's just like, for me, I'm like, man, I'm not doing that. You're growing as man. Yeah, I'm a grown man. I'm getting paid.

Like, for one, I'm getting paid more than you. But, you know, it was just like, he was just asking you to do things that for me just wasn't realistic. And I wasn't really going for a lot of stuff. And it wasn't just me. It was other people, too. But, you know, I just think we kind of just butted heads in there, you know, they just felt like they had to go in a different direction. No, great. He did a great job, man.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I still was in the division, though. I still see y'all. You towards us with them, too, yeah. You know, the Washington rivalry isn't as bad as the Philly one, though. You know when you're an eagle playing the Cowboys, it's different. No, it definitely is, man, for sure. Jalen Carter spitting on Dak like that?

I get heated. Yeah, but Dak originally spit at first. If you go back and look at it, he spit first. I don't know if he was trying to spit directly on him, but he still spit, regardless of it to the left or to the right or straight. You spit. So when we're getting in and then you spit, I feel like I'm talking to you

and I spit anywhere close to you, that's a form of disrespect. So that's instigated. Yeah, yeah, for sure. He definitely instigated that. And I mean, shit, Jalen's somebody, you can't, he a bully. Yeah.

He ain't going for that. So, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, when I first seen it, I'm like, no, you can't do that. You know, and that was a big game. First game. It wasn't the first game of season? It was an opener.

Like, you can't do that. But, you know, the end of the day, shit. He did. Feels like last week and now the season's over. So over that fast, now the finger. Yeah, speaking of the Eagles, what's your outlook on them, this upcoming season? What are you looking for them to do? Because you're an Eagle and your heart.

No, for sure. I mean, last year, I feel like we started pretty good, then we kind of got into a little funk. It's kind of always how it is, too, with the Eagles, you know what I'm saying? They kind of fell out of rhythm. Towards the end, kind of played a little better, but, you know, obviously still didn't accomplish when we wanted to accomplish as an Eagle fan after we just won two super football. Super Bowls over the past, what, decade. I mean, it's either win the Super Bowl or a bus, you know what I'm saying?

So I think they'll do a good job of figuring out. Hobby always does a good job of figuring out this offseason, whether he'll bring some guys in or, you know, just kind of rework the roster. But, you know, we'll be back. And it ain't over for us. I think we got a hell of a team right now, man. So curious to see what y'all going to do with the Cowboys. Yeah, Cowboys got a lot of defense to get.

Michael Parsons or I don't think that was smart. Obviously he got hurt in Green Bay, but I mean, you know who I do like that y'all got? I like NFL Young Boy. Yeah, no, Pickens is a monster. GP a baller, man. I was just with him and Pro Bowl, him and SCD. He can do everything. Yeah, he can't.

He got that dog mentality, too. That's why I really like him, man. He ain't no selfish player, man. Like, you know, when he gets an opportunity to make some plays, he's going to ball. So, yeah, y'all got some good. I just don't feel like, I don't know, man. Was you alive when y'all went last year? Hell no.

I was born, oh, two. I feel bad for y'all, man. See, I was born 86, so I remember the 90s. You didn't help us. You don't feel bad at all. No, I didn't, but, you know, I got a lot of friends that are, like, cowboy, like, die-hard fans, and it's like, I feel bad for y'all because, like, y'all living in, like, what, 30 decades ago?

20 decades ago. You torched us a few years ago on Thanksgiving. You ruined my Thanksgiving. I was for, I was for Raiders. Yeah. Yeah, I mean... My turkey was cold, I was upset. Anytime I play the Cowboys, I just feel like it's one of those...

Because y'all are opposed to be America's team, so, like, you know, I just feel like all eyes are on that game. And I just... One thing about me, like, I always, like, stepped up in big games. Not to say regular games I don't step up, but, like, in big games, like, I always felt like I had to, you know, really turn up. And it just happened to be versus the Cowboys. It did. It happened to be against us a lot. For sure.

Unfortunately. How did the Eagles get Jailen Hurts? AJ Brown back on track? Is it salvageable? I mean, I think that's a good question, man. You're a smart man because every time this topic comes up, it grabs a lot of attention. But that's a tough question, man. I don't think I can answer it. Not I don't think I can answer that, but I don't think I have the answer for that because like you said, it's a relationship that's kind of been tarnished a little bit. You know, they were like them their best friends when they first started playing

together. And I think, you know, over the past year, I just don't think they're quite as tight as they used to be. So, you know, that's going to be something they're going to have to fix internally. I mean, you know, being a receiver and, you know, being in a situation like that, I mean, you might have to put your pride to the side regardless. And I don't know if you're able to when shit's deep as it is, you know, so I hope they get it together and figure it out because I feel like they both two hell of a player. And, you know, when they're not on the same page, you could tell sticks out like a short thing. No, it really did.

I mean, could a fresh start be best? Hey, man, it's always the best, man. Fresh start is always going to be best. But who's going to take the first start? Because they both are getting a lot of money. And that cap, I think that cap went up too. I think the NFL granted. Did go up.

30 million or something like that. Yeah, so. Yeah, I don't know. I honestly felt like he would, he probably would get traded, A.J. Brown. But I don't know how it's going to work But hey, shit By March, I think that's like the deadline We got like two months to see

Or a month Yeah, maybe a month to see What's your prediction? You think he's gone? I think he's gone I think so I don't, it seems like he really wants to leave Yeah

He wants his He wasn't getting his I mean he wasn't at first And then he started And then like It kind of My thing is a wide receiver And I say this all the time too

Like if you're going to cause friction or you're going to cause attention like you got to be on your a game you know what I'm saying like one thing like my OGs always told me they're like man like it's cool to get mad cool to get frustrated you ain't getting the ball but like when you get your opportunities don't let that frustration overplay your play if that makes sense you know what I agree so like you know like when you mad like it's got a lot of clutter going on like you're not your mind not where it needs to really be you know what I'm saying for you to be able to you know conquer that task so I think that's where it gets tricky because, like, it's the NFL for one.

Players are getting paid a lot of money. It's a league full of great players. I ain't going to say great players. It's a league full of everybody's good. Then you got some great players. So, like, even the good players could do shit to a great player. So, like, if you ain't on your A game, if you're great, those good players are going to be better than you.

You know what I'm saying? So that's where you got to just manage that and just do your thing. And that's what first started the Eagles fans was the complaining and then the drops are coming. You can't do that in Philly. One thing about Philly, man, for one, that's one of the hardest teams to ever play for. You know, because when you ain't doing good, you're going to hear it. And, you know, I feel like when you bring a lot of attention to your name or yourself and you're not doing what you need to do, they're going to boo your ass for show.

It's a hard place to play in. What do you think about the book? The book? I think it was a distraction. I think it was a throwoff. I mean, like, you got to think for three hours are you playing, like, A book, you reading a book ain't gonna help take your mind on any. You never brought a book to the game?

Man, come on. What would you do with one of your players brought a book to the game? Honestly, I would, I would be like, bro, you tripping, bro. Like, now you're, like, you know, at the end of the day, now you're doing, you're doing the most. But, like, your personality is your personality. But like, I'm saying, like, for three hours you can block in and worry about, like, your opponent, us win the game, us being on the same page. Like, you're reading a book when shit ain't going right. That ain't, like, nah, bro.

Can't do that, right. And AJ, my boy. Yeah. Like, I'll tell him this to his face. But, like, at the end day, like, he had grown a man, so, like, I'd never be the person to be hating on you. But, I mean, I got an opinion. I'm going to speak my opinion.

But, like, at the end day, like, I got a cool relationship with him and, you know, what he does, what he does. But just grand scheme of things, like, looking at it, like, nah, bro, like, you know, you got to be locked in, man. And, like, you can't be that frustrated and let your distractions or, you know, let things distract you from the game. No, absolutely. And obviously Jalen Hertz is the guy you played for.

He's a Super Bowl MVP. I mean, he's been there a couple times. He's professional. Yeah, he's going to argue a professional. It's hard for me to understand someone not getting along with him. It seems like the nicest, most professional guy you can have. I mean, yeah, you got a point. I mean, but everybody got their ways, you know.

Yeah. That's not to speak any ways to say I agree why somebody don't get along with a person. But, like, I mean, I think in sports, man, you got. You got opinions, right? And then you got facts, right? So are you opinionated or are you factual? So for me, like, Jayden's a winner. He's proven that he's been a winner.

Since Bama. I mean, but, you know, sometimes a proven win may be different than if I'm a receiver and I'm A.J. Brown, and, like, the way you win may be different than the way I want to win. Like, maybe you're winning at 13 for 17 for 125 yards. I maybe want you to go 24 for 31 and 350 yards, you know what I'm saying? So, like, that's when things get opinionated. But, I mean, for his perspective, I mean, one thing about him, he's going to take care of the ball. Towards the end of the season, middle season, he kind of started throwing picks and stuff.

But, like, overall, he's always managed the game. I think he's a great manager, and that's why he has the wins he has. No, absolutely. And he's been a constant professional since Bama. It seems like he's always at the locker room behind him, and I wish the best for him, the eagle, for sure. Just except when they play first the Cowboys. Oh, yeah. No, I hope they get against the Cowboys for sure.

Yeah, but I got a lot of Eagles fans' friends. Shout out Skinny Joe and everyone. Sure. Nah, fucking. One thing I want to ask you, though, the kickoff rules. Yeah. Our president hates them. You're known for your special teams.

What do you think of them? I mean, I don't like the new kickoff rules for sure. Even asking, like, you know, it's crazy. I was talking to, what's his name? Turpin, for the Cowboys. What's his first name? Kavante. Kavonte.

Yeah, so I was talking to him at the Pro Bowl and I was asking him how he felt about the new kickoff rules and he was like, man, he didn't like him because, you know, obviously I wasn't playing when they made the change. But yeah, I mean, I know it's for safety and things like that, but I just feel like, that ain't it, man. And then you got to declare it onside, like you can't just surprise onside kick no more. Yeah.

It takes the fun out of the game, man. So I feel like hopefully the NFL recircle and change that rule back. But, I mean, like I said, once again, I know it's for injuries. But, I mean, it's football. If you're going to get hurt, you're going to get hurt. You're making people 5 yards, 10 yards apart from each other is not going to stop people from getting hurt. When I talked to Lawrence Taylor about it, he was like, man,

the best way to not get hurt is for everyone to play fast. The way guys get hurt is when they slow down and they don't play through the play and they don't play fast. I play fast. I didn't know for sure. I mean, it's only one way to play. I mean, I think you're talking to somebody that, you know, in Venice of some stuff in football.

So going back, I mean, like, I tell these guys all the time, like the NFL is changing things to prolong people's career and be able to make people have longevity. But in the safety and all the helmets and when I was growing up when we was playing, there wasn't no concussions. They'd even like, oh, you got what, man? Get your ass back out there. You know what I'm saying?

So now you got any one little thing going wrong. They're like, oh, we're holding you out. So, yeah, man, it's, it is with this football, man. Like, you know, that's why you got all the moms being like, they don't want their sons to play, but once you make that decision to let your son play, you got to go let them play, go wrestle with dirt on it. But they say spitting dirt. Yeah.

That bother you as a coach at all, you know, were we trying to toughen them up? Yeah, man. These dudes nowadays, man, if they got a code, they ain't practicing, man. Like, they got a stomach-freaking stomach ache they ain't practicing. So as a coach, it'd be like, I get it. If you really hurt and something's really wrong with you, then cool. But, like, at the end of day, man, like, you got to be able to play through some shit, you know. So, you know, hopefully they're toughen up.

What was the toughest injury you played through in your career? I had a growing, a growing injury, man. God damn. What do they call that? A hernia. It was like a hernia. Holy shit. Yeah, my bone, I'm no, the muscle pulled off my pelvic.

So it was like I was running. And like, the dude, like, pushed me. And it was like, I felt the pop. But I think it was like wearing tear over time. Yeah. And I was dealing with like in the growing areas and then like it kind of it pulled from here because I guess it was pulling from the tension from one side So yeah, I was I was my only surgery in 15 years man, but now that was the toughest one too That was your only surgery in 15 years? Yeah

Yeah, only had one surgery man and I was I was fortunate brother and I really have no knees and no crazy other injuries But yeah one surgery in 15 years man I think I might be a record I've never heard of that Yeah well if it is it is but I'm I'm sure it may be some Somebody won the whole career. I almost made it the whole career without having none. That's crazy. That happened in my 13th year.

It took you 13 years of your first surgery. Yeah, 13 years. Yeah, that might be a record. That's insane. At skill position, return. That's crazy, bro. Wow, I never, I never would have thought that in a million years. Because guys get so many cleanup surgeries now?

Yeah, I should have surgery on my thumb, but I said I wouldn't go to it. So, like, my joint, like, it goes, like, way back. than like this other one. Cool party trick. Yeah. No, I ain't hurt. I ain't putting that out. I'll be trying to hold it in.

So because if it go too far, that's like sometimes when I'm putting my pants on and it get caught, but that should be a hurt, painful ass. Football painful, man. It's a lot of tough injuries in football. Who are your favorite receivers to watch across the league today?

I would probably say Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Devonte Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, I'm sorry. Mike Evans, yeah. Mike Evans and, uh, Paraguay, one more. Um, I like Jackson Smith, man. Dog. How you said his last name?

Injigua. I didn't like that, Drewski's saying. I did not like that at all. What did you think of it? I think they'd be messing with him because Marshaun Lynch said McNigma. It's cool. Like, the podcast is cool, but the NFL honors like his mom's watch and I'm like come on bro. He kind of tripped out on that but

yeah not the right setting you know yeah not for sure man you know and he's not marshaun either like Marshawn and say whatever that he wants whenever he wants he's he's beast mode like you can't he's not much i get away with anything i've seen him get away with all the time like man they'd be tripping off the little shit I do and they let marcia go crazy but like you said it's beast mode they're gonna let him do whatever yeah he's got that reputation and he like earned it like he's a comedian it's totally different yeah my facts and I was not fucking with that um the Seahawks though man like it that shock you too what they did throughout the year um it did I ain't gonna lie especially with Sam Dorn up there um you know and then with the new coach

that came from Baltimore this was the second or first year uh second year the second year yeah I mean winning in your second year I mean it was like the third youngest coach to ever win it was crazy he was my defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore in my last year in 2022. But, I mean, it's crazy because like towards the end of the season before playoffs, I'm looking, I'm like, man, see you all this got the

number one seed? And I was like, damn, like, it definitely did throw me all because I didn't expect that. And Sam Donald had a hell of a year, man. So that running back too, man, Walker. But that boy nice, man. I watched him throughout the season. And I didn't think

he was like nothing crazy. And they had So it's like the playoffs, because what he did versus the Rams, where that blow move he made versus the lineback, I was like, yeah, that dude's special, man, you're baller. Like, he peered a Super Bowl, too, like, man, coming from basically nowhere, baller, though. He runs as well as anyone. Patient, too. I seen some shit he did yesterday. He, like, hit a lay beyond.

He was like, stop pausing. I'm like, oh, yeah, he differed. And what's crazy, though, them dudes to be, like, standing straight up when they ran. Like, that's weird. I ain't going to lie because it's like, you watching him. It's like, man, he ain't even ready to run. Like, how you, like, usually when you run, like, you got like a head starter, like you leaning or something. He's just straight up and then just go on like that.

That's the Jason stance. Yeah, the jetting, right? Gentie, too. Yeah, yeah. Who, you said Jason. Oh, yeah. You don't know what to predict. Anybody to do that, yeah, ain't dangerous.

Yeah, you got to watch out for somebody like that. He's a free agent, too. He's about to get paid. Jenny is? Walker. Oh, yeah, he is. Walker's about to get a bank. He is.

You think he'll reset the market? I don't know about this. He can't really block her cash. God damn, can he run. Yeah, no, I don't think he... He's got brick hand, so he won't. You can't pay him more than you pay like a CMC or somebody. Or Sequin, you know what I mean?

He can't do that. But he can't do that. But he can't do. He for sure going to get paid? He can't. He can't. He's going to get paid. You think he'll still be in Seattle?

I don't know. It's like a lot of money. He's going to be a movie. He just wants to win a VP though, so the fans will trip out and they let him walk. Yeah. Shit, they're going to have to break the bank. Yeah, it was, they were splitting his carries all year with Straubene, and then Charabinet, and then Charbonnet and then just opened the floodgates. Like, I don't think anyone runs as, I don't, maybe Bejohn runs as well as him, but that's about it.

Now, Bejohn different. Bejohn, Jonathan Taylor, I mean, it's a few ballers out there. Who are you taking? You're taking Bejohn or Jamir Gibbs? That's like one A, one B. I'll take Bijan, but Gibbs is lightning. Yeah, man, that's...

You're with them of the Pro Bowl, huh? Yeah, I was with both for them. That's why I was asking. Because I asked a few people that I was like, man, who are you taking? Who are you taking? I mean, you can't go wrong, man, but I don't know.

Like, man, Bejon, I feel like it's an overall. Like, I wouldn't say better, but he's overall. He does a lot of overall things different. But like, Gibbs, man, like, you get in that boy, he out of there, man, so I'll probably take years, man, just because I'm, like, you could throw, you could pat, you know what I'm saying? he gonna hit it and be gone.

Gives might have a little higher ceiling. Like, I don't know, man. Gives have games where you literally cannot do one thing about it. Yeah, not for sure. Yeah, I think overall, too, I think he probably had, like, he had more games overall, more yardists than Bshajah. Nah, for sure, baller.

Yeah. The Rams, man. I thought they were going to do it. They were so close. Man, Matthew Stafford. How incredible is he? MVP. He was.

baller man I told people a long time ago that he he didn't really get enough credit that he deserved I mean to be able to do what he did in in Detroit all those years even though he didn't make make it to a Super Bowl man like in the Calvin Johnson retired on him early but you know once he came to LA man it was something special I'm like man McVeigh because obviously when when Jared Gough was there in LA Sean McVeigh did a great job Sean McVe was one of my coaches were in Washington and I came and played in LA too so our I always know that like shaman bay once he got his guy he's going to turn him something special so once he did come to

L.A i mean there ain't no way that they wasn't going to win a Super Bowl so they got one but i for sure thought they was going they was going to win it this year too yeah yeah i thought they were they need to get two next year hey it's going to be in L.A. too because that yeah exactly were they the first team to win in their home stadium was that in 2021 well the the Bucks did it oh the Bucks did before that yeah brady did it in Tampa so the bugs and then L.A so then they got another the opportunity this next year to go back. So I did see that, too. Do you believe that?

I don't know if it's a conspiracy, but like, do you believe, like, they say the NFL when they posted, like, the Super Bowl thing, like, it's the teams that are going to win it is, like, or the teams is going to it, like, the colors? Do you believe that? How would that work? Okay. So they just say every year. Like, I don't know, bro, but, like, every year, they say the teams that are going

to Super Bowl is predicted. So, like, they just put out the, that. Super Bowl 60, what is, 61 or 60? Yeah, yeah, whatever that is. They put it out and it's like green or shit. I can't remember what it was, but like they're saying like those are the two teams. So weird coincidence. It is.

I just don't know how they would like. I mean, you know how this shit is, man. I don't. I mean, you don't, but you do. All right. I mean, I feel like. The refs can influence it. I mean, yeah.

But obviously the players aren't like going to. No, I don't, I play all those years. I never knew anything about anything. anything in rigged. So I'm not, I'm not saying from a player's standpoint. But the rest can rig it. I mean,

some of these reps are kind of inexplicable. But some, yeah, some of this, like, I don't know if you, you ever be looking at it. Like,

you say, you bet, right? So, like, the best, yeah. Some of these games and, like, times,

and it'd be like, referees doing certain shit. No, the reps are whack. It'd be like, shit, I'd be seeing somebody on Instagram and be like, look at this,

this game's rigged, and I'm looking and I'm like, it do be, like, crazy little things to be going on in the game. I felt like they took the Bills game away from Buffalo and they played the Broncos.

That catch? The catch, and then they kept calling these weird pass interferences. I was like, yo, you weren't calling that all game. It was a few catchers, too. The Rams had one of those two, right? Yeah. Was that... Oh, yeah, the Rams. The Rams got hosed, too. Yeah, that catch. That's what I'm saying. Like,

and, you know, one thing I think they need to change to a catch. So, But a catch in field is different from a catch when you score. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they say, like, if you break the plane, then it's good. But then in the field, you've got to, like, maintain it to the ground. Yeah. That don't make sense to me.

Like, if it's going to be one way in the field, it's got to be one way in the end zone. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. So, like, I know a few times, like, a guy caught the ball, and then something happened and then they don't maintain the catch it to the ground, and it's a touchdown. But I'm like, if that same play was in the field, it wouldn't have been a catch. So why is this two different standards for the catch the ball? It shouldn't be this confusing to fear I would to catch the game.

They got to figure this shit out. NFL got to do a better job, man. Roger Goodell, man. You're making too much damn money, man. Get that shit figured out. Yeah, you guys got too big of a budget to keep messing this up, man. Figured it out. Absolutely.

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