DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST - Lamar Odom on Kobe's Message From the Afterlife, Khloe Kardashian & Why the Lakers Are Losing

Episode Date: March 7, 2026

Lamar Odom joins Mystic Zach on Episode 15 of Double Coverage for one of the most raw and fascinating interviews yet. Lamar opens up about his unforgettable dream about Kobe Bryant, what Kobe told him about the afterlife, winning championships with the Lakers, playing for Phil Jackson, the triangle offense, modern NBA culture, LeBron James, Luka Doncic, Shohei Ohtani, addiction, recovery, Khloé Kardashian, and his journey through sobriety.This episode dives deep into Lamar Odom’s basketball IQ, his time with Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers, his thoughts on today’s NBA, and the life lessons he’s learned through success, pain, loss, and survival.If you’re a fan of Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, Lakers history, NBA interviews, basketball podcasts, LeBron James, Phil Jackson, Khloé Kardashian, sobriety stories, and inspirational comeback stories, this is an episode you do not want to miss.Subscribe for more exclusive sports interviews, athlete stories, NBA talk, NFL talk, and viral moments from Double Coverage.CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS0:00 Intro – Mystic Zach welcomes Lamar Odom0:50 Playing with Kobe Bryant and winning championships1:10 Phil Jackson, meditation, and the Lakers culture1:45 Lamar on playing at Staples Center at 192:38 Clippers struggles and wanting to play for the Lakers4:23 Being traded in the Shaq blockbuster deal5:53 Lamar Odom as a point forward before it was common8:24 Why Lamar says he had the best handle ever for a big man9:11 Victor Wembanyama, Steph Curry, and today’s NBA11:15 What made Phil Jackson so special13:05 Reality TV during an NBA season and winning Sixth Man of the Year16:17 Kobe Bryant’s mentality and chasing Michael Jordan18:53 Lamar’s real relationship with Kobe off the court21:18 Candy addiction, Pop-Tarts, and changing habits22:36 Addiction, recovery, and living day to day23:32 What Lamar watches at home – sports, documentaries, and learning24:37 Shohei Ohtani, Dodgers baseball, and inspiration26:24 Gambling in sports and whether leagues have control28:18 What’s wrong with the Lakers right now29:06 Luka Doncic, modern NBA softness, and defense31:18 Deandre Ayton, Lakers roster issues, and toughness32:25 Why Lamar still believes in the triangle offense35:02 LeBron James, longevity, and playing with Bronny37:44 Lamar explains his Kobe dream and “the afterlife” quote40:23 Lessons from Kobe’s death and living your best life42:05 Personal loss, family, and why Lamar wants to live to 10044:30 Surviving strokes, heart attacks, and a coma45:25 Medical miracles, faith, and second chances47:03 Khloé Kardashian, Netflix documentary, and regrets49:25 Marriage, fame, and real love51:03 35 days sober and Lamar’s next chapter52:37 Final message to the fans#LamarOdom #KobeBryant #Lakers #NBA #KhloeKardashian Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I had a dream about Kobe. It's how you know it was a dream. We're having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. You know, I'm dreaming. You know what I'm dreaming. You know what I'm dreaming. He looked back at me, he said, hello. The afterlife is not what people make it up to be. Ready to bat.

Ready to flex. Neon is at. You see where it's at. Come tune in. We're on string with a check. You can Michael Parson and get you a sack. Diello my cover. Deion son.

Bet like a wreck you. Here began a duck you a lockup. Get it for them. We double coverage. You miss is the outcome. What's up. Mr. Zach here, welcome back to episode 15 of double coverage. Today I'm joined by L.A. Legend. Nah, no, that's too much. Two-time champion. Former NBA six man of the year.

That's a fact. My guy, Mr. Lamar Odom, L.O. How you doing, bro? What's good? I'm chilling, man. L.A. Legend's fair. I've walked around with you in L.A. Everyone recognizes you pretty much. I don't know if that make you a legend. You play with Kobe. I did play with Kobe. You helped get him two of championships, you know? Yeah, to the best of my ability. Yeah. Anyone who... I learned a lot from Dube, bro.

Definitely learned a lot from Duel. If you were in the trenches with Cope, I think you're a legend. I hear that. I get that. Bill Jackson, the whole nine yards. Yeah. Yeah, I got the whole zen in me. Yeah.

The whole lesson. I learned how to manifest and meditate. You know, if you got 12 or 15 young men meditating toward the serve, same goal. you've seen the results. Meditation is like a form of prayer, right? So definitely learned a lot from Phil and M.B. We were talking about it earlier,

but you got thrown into the spotlight for professional basketball at such a young age. You were there at the first game played. I mean, we're literally right by Staples Center, now Crypto Arena. I was 19. Yeah, 99. As a matter of fact, my,

And my number one boost at UNLV, he was friends with a guy that was in the steel business. And this is 1997. And he says, look, Lamar, I want to serve these blueprints I got for this building I'm about to build. They want to call it Staples Center. And I wound up, you know, having a good game in my first game. I don't know if we won the loss, but I lost a lot of games with the Clippers. Yeah.

And, yeah, I lost a lot of games with the Clippers, and I was always, like, looking over, thinking about how it would be playing on the other side. And then, you know, I played one year with Miami, and then my agent gave me a call, and I had to okay the trade to come here back to L.A. But that was an easy choice for me, because a nice little signing bonus.

And I knew I was gonna be playing with Bean Bryant, who I've known before, the NBA. And I was gonna be able to ride his coat tail a little bit and play basketball at the highest level, compete against the best. And try to bust their ass, because everybody, you know, the Lakers are purple and gold, and our jerseys are popular,

and we got probably the best city. an NBA according to what you want to do and how you want to go out and it was a ride that I'll never forget absolutely the only thing people I think really come back to the little clippers teams is Donald Sterling it's basically he was a nut yeah he was a nut yeah I pray for people who have that mindset the mentality I think he got in trouble for using the N-word Yeah, to sell the team. Yeah. And that's too bad, you know.

He got way too much money to think like that. If you go down Wilshire Boulevard, all you see is down the Sterling buildings, down there's sterling this, down and sterling that. You had a really strong season with Miami. That was a pretty blockbuster trade. I mean, you're involved, Shaq. Yeah, me and the two other players.

Karam Butler and Brian Graham. But you were the centerpiece, at least for what the Lakers were, Is that a compliment that you're involved in a trade for shack? I mean, I think so if you're looking at it like a, you know, but I mean, that's shacky was dominant. Yeah, that's diesel. But I mean, you could consider it.

You know, sometimes I wonder, you know, what if I would have got three or four more years with Dwayne Wade were going to happen in that beautiful city? But, you know, you never know what's going to happen in life. All we could do is make the best of it. And, you know, LA always had open arms for me and treated me well because of the way I performed with the Clippers. But even though my greatest times with the Clippers, you know, sometimes I feel a little regret to the people in L.A. Because I was cutting them short.

You know, I couldn't be myself if I was running home. home, you know, so I think about all the plays I could have made or should have made or, you know, but, you know, that time has passed and it's time for me to move on and move forward and live my best life now as we speak. You had that point forward, Bill, that we see all over the NBA today, 6-9 with a handle, can pass, can shoot. Yeah, I think, you know, that was a blessing from God to be able to be my height. and still maintain his guard attributes.

It's always the way I played basketball through the eyes of a point guard, no matter what position I played. I was really blessed to pick up on the game and understand it and have an high IQ. I basically know the responsibility for every position on the court because I played them,

I played hard. And it was all a learning experience. But being from New York City, you know, if you don't handle the ball, if you don't got no shakes in your game, and I remember I went to high school, I started high school, I was 6'3, and my sophomore season, I was 6'7.

So, yeah, I mean, a lot of people would have probably changed their game because of that, but the strength of my game was my height. and my handle, as they call it, and my ability to make a play. But my ability to make a play for others, you know, and that started in the park, you know, to get on the court. I was 10, I was 5, 10.

And I was playing, I was playing 15 and under. How old were you? 10? Yeah, I was 5, 10 when I was 10 years old. And I remember going to the park and, you know, lying about my age telling everybody I was 12, that was just to get on the court. But, you know, once I got on the court, I earned respect. Now, I think it was because I understood the science of basketball. You know, it's not rocket science, but there's a science to it.

And that's what I was trying to, you know, perfect or be the best at. having an all-around game. I think when we talk about handling, especially being a big man in the NBA, I think I probably had to be, if you considered me a big man, probably at the end, I probably was the,

I don't want to chew my own horn, but I don't know a big man that was using his, no, shaking ability to make his defender move so he can go straight. So I guess you could probably say, I'm going to have the big man

that had the best handle probably ever in the NBA. Like you said, I see a lot of, you know, see a lot of six-nine, six-tening guys, and they give them the ball and let them do their thing now. And I can say I see myself in all of those guys just a little bit. Yeah, positionless basketball today. I mean, there's one guy who's seven foot five and does it. Yeah.

I'm pretty sure he probably, you know, took some, Lamar Otomah's book. Yeah. But he's special. Yeah, he's, I mean, if he stays healthy, Is there anything stopping him from just being the best ever? I mean, I... Well, if there's one person that I will pay to watch right now is him. When his games come on, I notice I always find the TV.

So I always say because how he plays and who he plays for, San Antonio, they're going to play the right way. Even though I think he's floating a little bit out to the three-point line a little bit. But, you know, that's the Steph Curry curse. His greatness, you know, hurt the game. But it's not his fault. But I know if I get a kid right now, 10 years old, 8 years old, 9 years old from wherever, and I give him a basketball when we go to the park,

he's probably going to shoot the ball from the furthest part of the court. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that's due to Steph Curry's greatness. and he was amazing he's amazing still and i hope kids know just not learning from him you know shooting i hope they watch how he moves without the basketball that's what he said the other day he's like if you're a kid playing basketball and you're calling for the ball like that's whack yeah i hope that he learns you know they learn that part of the game that's another science part of the game and how he takes care of his body and just the conditioning it takes he

He's 37 years old running around the court all the game. I mean, no one does more than him. No. I mean, the NBA is really kind of hard for me to watch. Like a random game. Everybody played the same way. Yeah. Like tired of seeing dribble handoff to a pick and roll.

No format. But, you know, that's the way the game is. It's got to change the time, right? Yeah, I didn't get a change in the times. But, I mean, try and the offense won 10 NBA championship. What made Phil so special? Was it the system, the triangle offense? Was it his ability to manage personalities?

Well, I think, I think, you know, every coach, I think to be successful, that's one of the things that you have to, you know, learn the most, you know, have the most common sense of. You got, you know, 12 or 15 guys on the team in the locker room and managing personality is very important. You know, Phil used to give us a problem. book, you know, books before the season. He expected you to read it.

And his mental approach, like I was telling you before, you know, we meditated together as a team and, you know, meditation is a form of prayer. And so, you know, it was really strong, you know, it definitely brought us together. And it was something that a lot of us heard, but we didn't really expect it until we got in, got in it. Yeah. And it made a lot of sense when you think about it though. And he used to bring a specialist, a mindful specialist to come teach us, manifestation and meditation, write around playoff time.

His name was George Mumford. I think he got some books out too, so if you want to get a good book, try to exercise your brain, exercise your mind. You know, he was a good guy. And it showed, you know, we won game seven being a long-time rivals right across the street. That was a beautiful night. Because it's, I mean, first he manages Rodman, Pippin, Jordan, all together. Then he goes to L.A.

Bright lights, Art Test. Yeah. I mean. Those are strong personalities. There's crazy stuff going on, too. Like, you're filming a reality show later on. Yeah, I mean. Kobe's Kobe.

Yeah, I'm probably the only person in the sports figure that was able to film a successful reality show while in season. That was the year I won six minutes a year. And some people would be thinking things are, you know, unattainable or that you can't do them. But with the support of the Lakers and Jeannie and Dr. Bus, God bless the day, they okayed it. And I was able to pull that off. The cameras was always rolling.

You know, from time just wake up to practice to I'm ending my night. And it was worthwhile. I think my, you know, my connection with that family still gives me some, what's the word I'm looking for? social notability you know even to this day and that was a blessing as well

absolutely do you think it may motivated you a little bit more I think so just because people thought that I couldn't do it or people probably were expecting me to you know to fail for me to fall off a little bit on the court

so it kind of kept a fire lit under my ass you know the fire that I always had to play basketball I knew and especially in LA um strong media almost as strong as New York I didn't want to get ripped when I was looking up the paper every day like oh time of you know get off the show or whatever people may say um they definitely acted as if I had another coach basically It definitely pushed me in the right way.

But no matter what the coaching style is or who's coaching, I think because how I was raised, I'm able to adapt. I like to listen. I love to learn. And I'm not going to be disrespectful, not going to be disrespectful, especially when somebody is trying to make me or his team better. You know, I hear a lot of the generation now, they got the bad reputation for being uncoachable. You know, I can say to all those young guys, like, you're probably good, but, you know,

my generation, I could say Kobe Bryant was probably the best generation, generational player of my generation. You know, I mean, should he had 81 points. Nine game wins one season. Walk off. Three, two, one. We win. They had nine of them in one season. And I remember this ninth one.

We were in Milwaukee. And I remember him being on the back of the bus, sitting right next to me and Derek Fisher. And you know how sometimes after a game, your adrenaline is still running. Still flowing. And he was just mumbling, I'm better than Mike.

I'm better than Mike. I was looking, I'm like, you're bugging. But, you know, that's how competitive he was because a lot of players, that was a race that they wouldn't want to run, even with a head start. And, you know, from playing with them and being in the trenches with them, like you said, you know, he made that a goal. And so a lot of people say he even came close to it.

And I think you've seen it in this play. I think the world's seen in this play. I was talking to my friend about this the other day. Like, you know, the on-the-court responsibility, I'm playing in L.A. I could say showing up every night, every night. Every night, no matter what, he gave these people their money's worth. I mean, even his last game.

Yeah, 60. Even when he hurt himself and couldn't play no more. Hit the free throws. He had to kill his tendon injury. And wherever he at, he's not too far away. I think his sneaker might be the most worn sneaker in the NBA. Yeah. And we all know how popular joint sneakers were.

so I could imagine what would be going on if he was still here. What was your relationship like with him off the court? Amazing. It was cool. I was like, you know, there was one book that I was reading, and I think it was his book. It might have been his book. And he called me the glue on the team.

I don't think that was the glue on the court. I think it was more like the glue. like the locker room. You know what I mean? I make sure everybody was laughing and good move. Yeah. You know, me just being myself. Seem to ease people, you know, because he was always,

er, uh, uh, uh. You know, at 9.30 at the morning before, I don't know if ever seen this clip, we about to jump bowl and practice, and he just elbow, Joshua Vuehich in the chest, like, it's on. And I think we all kind of adapted to that mentality a little bit.

And he was the guy who always expected the best out of his teammates. Didn't accept anything less. That's the mama mentality. Yeah. You know, because that's how he was living. For real. And, you know, he put it out, you know, all the time. You know, playing with him.

You know, you're going to an arena. You're confident just because he's with him. with you. Yeah. And that definitely made us all better and alert and bonded us. You know, probably those championship teams probably bonded us forever. We got a bond that's looking that we broken. Shout out to anybody that was on my team at those times. We don't really see each other much, but they're always in my heart and the prayers and my mind. Absolutely. He ever got in your case about the candy or anything? Nah.

No, we never really bumped heads about anything. If we bumped heads it was about a play. You know what I mean? Maybe I wasn't paying attention or I wasn't there or I didn't execute or...

But, no. No, everybody know that was my thing. No, that was like the thing. When you first run the Kardashians, I remember, like, they would show the cutaways were you with all your candies. Yeah, my ex-wife, I had a hold, I had a hold my own,

man cave and it was it was full of candy and I love candy to this day but you know I learned something from the from my rehab stint I'm like like five points away from being diabetic and I got to watch my pop tart intake what pop tar flavor you go for every one of them they got a new one called banana bread is really good what was your peak candy intake like how much were you eating oh man I can't even really man my man mac who's to take care of me he was like my manny shout out to mac anthony mclair another new york city basketball legend but i mean i just bags of everything because you can never have enough candy you know what i mean at that point of my life but i got i got to watch that now i don't want to my chop my foot off you're not burning as many

calories yeah because i want to eat candy i don't make no sense No, definitely not. You talk about, we also talk about wanting to move past that, the what ifs. The, you know, what could I have done different, but knowing that, you know, the only thing you can do is continue to move forward. Yeah.

Did that take a while? Well, it's like, you know, if you have, if you're an addict and you practice sobriety, you know, day to day. Yeah. Right? And, uh, so I guess that's like my, outlook in life or anything that I want to do.

You know, really it's God's plans, right? In his time, some things that we might warn, and there's been millionaires because of social media and everything they're making millions of dollars in a year. But you know, you can still keep to the same plan, but God might say you have to make 10 years or 20 years. But I think as long as you stay focused and, you know, keep the creator first, you know, anything as possible.

You said it's tough for you to watch some basketball games, but what else are you watching at home? Any other sports, TV shows, movies, talks about Moses. Yeah, and it's funny because I was watching Netflix other day. I'm like, damn, like, it's so much to pick from. Yeah. And, you know, like, even if I'm watching TV. I like to watch something that maybe I'm going to learn from a little bit or I still don't know how to cook.

But I don't know. I just try to watch stuff that I can learn from. I love the ID channel too, but even though I'm not trying to learn how to kill nobody or anything like that. Yeah, I like the ID channel as well too. I don't know. I like TV. Of course, I like sports.

Baseball season is about to run back around. I can't wait. You want in the Dodgers game? Of course. We got our guy, Dave Roberts. Who's Dave Roberts? The manager? Okay.

Yeah, yeah, he's dope. Yeah, he's dope. He's the man, yeah. He is dope. But that, um, I don't know. Where's Otani from? Japan. Yeah.

He's Japanese, too, the manager, you know that? I didn't know that. He's half Japanese. Half black, half Japanese. Okay, I can see that part now. So that's why they get all the... Yeah, I can see that part. It's kind of crazy.

Well, Tani is a beast. And he's one of the best to watch. He can control the game from the mound. And then you're going to hit three, four, them. It's like he did this past season. It's definitely inspiring, watching him play baseball. Yeah. He plays hard, too.

He's in the great market. They pay him well. And he does, he's making, it's inspiring probably to a lot of, for me, I'm an adult. and watching him as playing's inspiration. So I can imagine being a little leagher, watching him playing. Players like that don't really come around a lot.

And I just hope. Never. Yeah, I just hope that everybody's soaking it in. One in ten billion. It's number 17, right? Yeah. I hope everybody is soaking it in and buying Otani jerseys,

buying number 17 jerseys. I know he getting a lot of love in L.A. Yeah, but he's definitely inspirational. You believe that it was his translator gambling, or do you think it was him? I don't know. That's another thing with sports right now. I try not to follow that because I don't think sports gambling was as big when I was playing. No.

And even for a guy that has a $200 million dollar contract, you know, you pay. putting it in his face like that. He can make an extra, you know, but sports gambling really don't stop. There's no peak on how you can go. Yeah. And I just hope that old leagues have that under control. Doesn't seem like they do.

I mean, you can't really control. You got NBA coaches getting arrested, players. You give it to the people. Yeah, the mafia is involved. So much. Well, everybody knows the mafia has something to do with gambling. And then you add to sports. I just hope it don't carry over to a guy's performance.

You never got an offer to throw a game, even high school, nothing? No. Honestly, I can say no. That's good. And I always play at a high level and kind of respect the game too much to even entertain anything like that. Yeah. But, you know, some of these dudes, you know, they train their hardest and give their heart to a game. They put all in a game, all their heart into a game.

And I hope to see the game, you know, get stained, you know, by a player making a bad decision to fat in his pockets a little bit. Yeah. I hope the league, you know, they should try to do something about that. All the leagues. The Lakers are real rocky right now. They don't play no defense. They don't play no defense.

I don't know if they have to make a, a move. I don't know if it's coaching. I don't know if it's the players, but the effort and energy is not there every night. And, you know, everybody can score the ball

and nobody wanted to defend it. Yeah. I want to put that effort and energy in the defense and defensive rebounding. Defense is a team game in every sport, especially football

and, you know, in basketball. Shit, baseball. even too. Your team don't grip up, then, you know, you could expect to lose any games. You should expect to lose. And in NBA, you got all these, you know, great shooters.

Day to day, you know, I love the game. I think I'd rather watch college basketball right now. Yeah, well, the Lakers are soft. Yeah. There's a lot of whining. They're tough to watch. They really are. I mean, well, the game is softer.

Yeah, just being objective, like Luca, one of the greatest offensive players ever, but he cries every single possession. Well, he should probably spoil you. Yeah, it's really tough to watch. He's been an NBA, he's been a pro since he was 13 years old. Yeah. Or 14 or 15. And I don't think they probably ever even asked him to get three stops in a row.

No. And just because. And he's got the size and ability. If he really wanted to, he could do it. He's the first person on the basketball for the point guard. Yeah, yeah. So I think that energy translate with him, and then the coaching, too, it's like you have to push him to play defense,

and you have to let your team know, like, you know, we have a weak defensive player, so we have to come around with schemes and, you know, cutting the floor off, you know, especially when his man has the ball and is being aggressive. But I love watching him. You know, I was a... A 6-7, 6-8 point guard one time of my career time.

Obviously, he's one of the best players in the NBA. Oh, yeah. He's an all-time great, but it's just... You know, in the NBA, they got this thing called what makes me set to a two-way player. Like, yeah, you know, when you have the ball, you're on offense. When you don't have it or you're on defense. Yeah. I think a two-way player should be anybody's mentality who's playing the NBA.

Yeah, no, none of them really have that mentality. It seems like... I would hate to be called a two-way player. player. What do you mean I'm a two-way player? I'm playing basketball. You know, so I think that starts a lot with these, with the coaches. You know, the coaches kind of fall into how the game is being played and not the way he should be played. Then the Lakers, I don't know, they got the big center kid, you know, but they knew his game before they got him, were aiding?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's complaining a lot. He was always more of a finesse score first type of center. Yeah. I was reading one article and he said, they're trying to turn me into a Clint Compeller. He said that. Clint Compeller is a great player. He's a rim protector.

I think the Lakers probably needed more. Probably better than him. Yeah, I think the Lakers needed more of somebody with that type of mentality. Yeah. And, you know, that type of mentality spreads. Yeah. You know, did everybody want to get stops and take charges and do the nitty-degree things that it takes to win consistently?

Yeah. And I don't, you know, I don't know how the Lakers got away from the triangle. Yeah. Like. It works pretty good. I'm only one 10 in the championships. Yeah. And like, you know, we're all around still.

I'm pretty sure if they asked me, Derek Fisher, Powell Gasol, and the triangle is a small fraternity of us that know it. Yeah. And, you know, and within that small fraternity, all of us have won. Consistent championships have been able to follow up a championship with a championship. Yeah. They got the formula. You know, I spoke to Polinka and he said the kids don't want to run it.

Out of his mouth. I'm like, are we representing the back of the jersey or the front of the jersey? Yeah. Because, you know, all bullshit aside, I have a lot of Laker pride. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Everybody who's ever been around me knows that. I always want and expect them to do well.

And when they don't, or not on a consistent basis, I mean, and then you're in LA, bro. Like, this is the home with a winner. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at that place, you know, right down from us. It should be called Kobe's crib, you know? Literally. Just because how he put out every night for this town.

I hope they'll get it together. They'll get it together, hopefully, in the playoffs. I think so? Try to get some stops. You got a time to take it back to, like, practice. Yeah. I don't think this, like, core can all work together because Davis was so perfect

as he played, you know, great defense and cleaned everything up. I don't think it was a bad trade. Oh, for the future, it's the best trade, but the Kern, it's tough. I think... You have to just adapt. And sometimes...

You've got to start a bad. over a little bit, I think. In life, we got to adapt on a fly. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you don't, things will go past you and get past you. Yeah. I don't want to stand for two or three more seasons. If I don't, the nation, you know, nation, the town.

Yeah. Well, I think LeBron's gone after this. Yeah, age, I think, is caught up to him. Finally. Only took 22 years. But that's, you know, every athlete. He had the great, he had, uh, LeBron, love him, or hate him, greatest longevity in the history of sports.

I don't even, if somebody says they hate LeBron and then... You're always not a critic, so people hate it on Kobe too, you know. What do you call it, a player hater? Player hater, yeah. You know, because, you know, he was getting, you know, shit. Yeah. And his career, but he always played the right way. 22 years finally took, like, a step back.

If the guys opened, then you should pass it. Yeah. You know, if not, then, you know, you're good enough to take the shot. but I've been in love with his game and how he played it and, you know, obviously he takes care of his body. Yeah. And that's a job in itself. If you want to play.

Well, he says he spends a million dollars a year on it. I'm not surprised. If you want to play on the highest level at this level, I have nothing but respect for LeBron James and how he command. and his self on the court, how he attacks the court. I mean, you know, I think every father, all the father's out of my age,

we love LeBron James because he did what all the CEOs do to have sons. They bring them right along with him. Yeah. And, you know, shit. Which player, I don't know, no player that would turn down that opportunity. No.

They say no, they're lying. To be on the same team as your baby boy? Yeah. You know, I mean, if he only did that, and he had no championships, he's a champion in my eyes, just for that. I mean, gosh, Lee. You think about him being a number one pick at 18, That 18-year-old boy, you probably couldn't convince him that his brawny was going to be on the same team with him.

Yeah. One day. No. It was like the ultimate CEO corporate move. You know, the NBA is the players league. And obviously, he has a lot of power to make that happen because there were probably some, you know, some dudes that, you know, didn't get picked. Yeah. But shit, I would do the same thing.

For sure. One last thing I want to touch on. I want to get a little bit more in depth about the Netflix doc. Oh. And in the trailer, you say the afterlife is different than they say. It's not often you see someone alive

that knows what it's like to be dead. That was, I had a dream about Kobe. And I was, I was shooting a reality show. I don't know if you ever heard of it's called Big Brother. But that's probably one of the toughest things. I ever had to do. You know, my man came to me in a dream. It's how you know it was a dream, because we were having a three-point shootout.

We're having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. So, you know, I'm dreaming. You know what I'm dreaming. You know what I don't even know how you hope the three-point shoot-out. You're a shooting contest. But, you know, Kobe was so great at his shot making because I'm left-handed. So when I step into my shot, I step right-left. You're right-handed, so when you step right-handed.

So you stepped left, right. But he was so ambidextrous with his footwork, that it didn't matter which foot he stepped into, he was able to make the shot, you know, with his right hand. So we having a three-point, we having a shooting contest, and I remember this vividly. I get to the top of the key, and it's a little too deep. And so I step left, right, and I'm copying him, so the next one I take right left. It was a little too deep. I missed it for, I missed it. And I took it again and I made it.

And then we got to the right side of it. And he just stopped. And he looked back at me, he said, hello. The afterlife is not what people make it up to be. And then I woke up shortly after that. And it just made me think, like, what is he trying to say? Like, could be he missed everybody, you know. That can mean a multiple of things.

Maybe he's still traveling. you know so we're here wherever he has to go or have to get I don't know what it meant but I just take it as like you know live your best life now

yeah you know don't sell yourself short because I died and I can't tell you where we go who we're going you know what I mean and

yeah it's just I think there's a lot in life, you know, that we all live for. You know, whether your friends, your family, your money, whatever you fall in love with, you like love it now. Because we've seen from his accident, like nobody's promised tomorrow.

Yeah. And I think that's the, you know, the biggest lesson that I learned from his life. Because when he passed away, when I got the news, I was in Atlanta, and I was with my man, he passed away. So, um, all right. Yeah, I was with my man, and he, he was throwing up.

I'm his brother. Or whatever the way the world spins and rotates, it felt like it started turning the other way. I remember coming back here from a funeral. And I could, like, um, like that Beanie Segal or Phil Collins song, you feel it in the air? Like the gut punch, like, like, like, it can grieve. And, you know, we don't, no one knows.

I don't know my time is. My grandmother, I got one grandmother's, my mother's mother, passed away on her 80th birthday, June 29th. And that's a special birthday for me, because that's also the day that my son passed away from SIDS, you know, June 29th. And, you know, that's when I wasn't living right. You know, sometimes I asked myself,

if I was home, because I was, out all night and I'm just trying to, you know, be present. Yeah. As much as possible. Now I'm 46. I can't, I'm 46. But, you know, my grandmother, I got one grandmother, she's been in the same project apartment for 70 years.

70 years? Were. She's 99 years old. Oh, my God. So I figure, you know, if I got one grandmother that live in a, project building for 70 years and she's 99. I think, you know, because of, you know, my ability to take care of myself and get a gig or two.

Yeah. I respect my, you know, I'm talking shit right now, but I think I could live, Moses lived here, he was worth 120. I think I got a buck in me. All right. You know what I like it? I'm gonna need a lot of track outfits

or something easy, something that look good that's easy to put on. but um yeah you know i think i got a buck in me if i you know keep my head on straight and you know love my fellow man and keep my soul right then why not my guy yeah i want to see it well i'm gonna do it um you probably won't be here if i live to a hundred you might be dead I'll be dead. I'm insane. If I live to 100, that's like... I'm gonna be alive, my...

I'm gonna say you're gonna be like, I'm gonna put that in the atmosphere. I'll be 78. That's not that bad. Yeah, no, you're right. You got a shot. But it's just like... I'm Jewish, we got good doctors. Yeah, sometimes I think about my grandmother's like... She, like, we're only friends. Think about that. If you live to you 99, all your buddies and all like...

No, true. They're gone. Yeah, they're gone. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're out of here. Yeah, I would say in my life, I mean, especially coming from a dude that died before. You know, God put me here for a reason, too.

I don't know if it's to spread the word or sobriety or, I don't know, but once I get it down pack, there ain't going to be no stopping me. You know, but he definitely spared me. Shit, I had 12 strokes and six heart attacks when I was in the coma. Yeah. Like, you know, when I woke up,

I couldn't walk or talk. They said I wasn't going to ever walk or talk again. And I'm having a conversation with you right now. I was getting my diaper change and seat aside now every three hours, bro. Yeah. I told you, but, like, my mother's traumatic brain injury, I was 13. They said, like, if she lives, she's not going to walk her talk, you know? And she's in a wheelchair, and now she's perfect.

That's crazy. God, yeah. God is good. all the time. She's probably sharper than before that. It's nuts. It's crazy how the body works, man. How it protects itself through trauma.

Yeah. You know, only he has answers for that. Because I'm like a medical miracle when my doctors tell me. And the same, like, addictive type personality, like, if we get, like, but there's a box of popsicles, like, I'll have one, she'll have 12.

Yeah. My mom, what, what? Why would you have so many? But it's just. They pronounce me dead a couple of days. It was a couple of times my family told me, like the doctor said, you know, y'all might want to see him this one last time. Yeah.

You know, so. You're definitely in life number two or three. Yeah, so for me to be able to beat that. You're like a cat. Yeah, I ain't get the nine yet, but, right, I'm not. You were close. 12-stroke, six heart attacks. You were?

I don't even really want to, you know. If you party and then I'll leave the room. Yeah. No good. You know, and this is a place where you can get anything anywhere. Oh, L.A. is tough, yeah. I mean, you know, me and my friends were, like, the only sober house in L.A. It's...

I don't know. Tell my man Marseilles, I said, what's up? No, we're going to tell Marseille, I said, what's up? But, you know, life is too good and it's too short. One last thing today, then people were surprised that Chloe, your ex-wife, is one of, like, the main people in the dock. How did that come about? I don't know.

You would have to ask them. Oh, Netflix took care of it. Yeah, because, you know, my last time being around her, it was like, I can't, I don't think I compare it to is like being in detention with the principal, you know, one-on-one. But it takes time for us to, to heal because, you know, it seems like it just happened yesterday. Yeah. at least to me and so you know you're dealing with a woman and you know you're doing

a damn coming out or women coming out to the tabloids yeah you know that's probably one of my worst my biggest mistakes ever is that I told God that I was going to take care of this woman

and be with her forever and stepped out like I lied to on his face and you know death could divorce could be like that you know I'm saying yeah like I'm not in contact with even my brother Rowe you know who I know staged or it wasn't part of the script me and him to get along the way we did yeah you know but you know you know even in death even when people pass on along your head you still have to live your life

and move on and try to turn shit in the sugar and you know it's painful but that's something I regret and I'm mentally I'll be paying for it probably for the rest of my life you can tell in the clip that like the love is still there you know

well I mean shit honestly you don't marry somebody in 30 days and then forget about it yeah I can't imagine that I'm either I don't like most people can't like me either for two people in their position that we were in. She didn't need Holden.

I didn't need to be the first black Kardashian. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They just happened that way. Everything was, you know, genuine. And I love that they... We got some more after. Yeah, the love that they show from...

Kanye. You know, you can't, you know... I don't think... Kanye American? Yeah, yeah. They got, what, four kids? Yeah. Yeah, he was second.

He was second. But, yeah, you know, that love was, it was genuine. And I think that's why me and her show was so special, too, because it really wasn't scripted. Yeah. We just went off of how he felt. Yeah. And we were at at the time.

Yeah, I think about that life and that lifestyle. Just imagine a La Laca married to a Kardashian. It's like, the rest of the rest of the life. red carpet rolled out everywhere you go. Yeah. Oh, it's a movie script. Yeah, so it was an amazing time. It's probably worth a movie, I would say,

but it's something a story for another day. That's worth for another day. Yeah. Appreciate you coming through it. I'm happy to see you sober and out of rehab and doing well. Oh, man, the best is yet to come, little brother. The best is yet to come. I feel like, yeah,

because it's just feel like my third life. Yeah. So. Third time's the charm. Yeah. I've never, you know, shit, I'm like, what, 30, five days sober right now. And I feel good.

I try to look it. I got to get used to wearing these glasses. Like I told you, I'm... They look like you're about to drop a book or something. It's a good distinguished look. Yeah, but that's a front. That's why our people wear glasses. Yeah, a little bit.

Yeah, a little bit. Violent motherfuckers. But, you know what I'm saying? I needed them. Yeah, no, you dress. You know what I'm saying? Like, I might this. I'd buy your book.

Yeah, I'm at the screen. I'm squinting. So I was like, when I was in rehab, I made an our appointment for a doctor. My father used to wear glasses. I'm not the style, but I'm going to change the style up a little bit. Make them all like the Joe Odom look. All right.

As time I come. So next time I'll see you, I have a different pair of glasses. You might need some buffs, you know. There's some diamonds in there. Some gazelle glasses or something like that. All right. Oh, man. Appreciate you for coming on.

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