DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST - Clix Podcast: Making Millions From Fortnite, Dropping Out of School at 13 & Building His Empire

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Clix, the Fortnite Superstar joins Double Coverage Podcast in an exclusive interview discussing becoming one of the biggest gamers in the world after dropping out of school at just 13 years old. Clix opens up about earning millions through Fortnite, competing at the highest level for eight years, buying his Ferrari SF90, training with mental and breathing coaches, building Tap Caps with Lacy, giving away gaming PCs, and why esports deserves to be recognized alongside traditional sports. He also shares his Fortnite Mount Rushmore, creator code earnings, dream squad with Drake, his daily routine, and what it takes to stay one of North America’s best Fortnite players. 👍 Like, Comment & Subscribe for more interviews with the biggest names in sports, gaming, business and entertainment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Like you ever rotate end game 30 moving alive, search taking you, you need 100 damage or you're gone and you have $100,000 in the line to win this game? No, you've never done. What's up guys? Mystic Zach here. Welcome back to episode 23 of double coverage. Today I'm joined by sports, but e-sports. My main man clicks Great to meet you

Gamer, live streamer, now entrepreneur Thank you for having me dude Thank you, you're our first e-sports Streamer. That's still sports That's right, I'm very athletic. They used to call me like the most athletic streamer other than I show of speed. Did they?

No, no, no, I made that up. Yeah, so you're not into any other sports, you're not? Well, I'm a big basketball player. Like, I play a lot of basketball. Like, all right, for real, I'm the best basketball four-night player. The best basketball four-night player. The best basketball four-n-n-n-old. Okay, so you'd beat Peter Bot and stuff.

Oh, What I? What I robbed Peter Bobner for 6,000. No, he don't. What about you versus Lacey if he had two knees? Okay, so this isn't getting a controversial, right? He six owed me the other day. But, but.

In a wheelchair? No, no, no, no, before the ACO, like a month ago. But it was just all three-pointers. And it was his possession, and he was just shooting. I was like, let him shoot. He could shoot. So, but before that, I would smoke him. All right, all right.

So a low bar, but out of the Fortnite players, you're up there. You know what Faxity is? He's another Farnat Streamer. It was me and him versus Marlin and Lacey. You guys won? $2,500 each. Wow. All right, congratulations.

Thank you, bro. They should have had you at the Fanatics Games. They actually, bro, they invited me to go, uh, wait, isn't there something this Thursday? It was this past weekend. There's another thing this weekend. I don't know. I got invited to something. Yeah.

I'd four-knit tournaments. Yeah, you could have competed against Bieber and everyone. Really? Yeah. Oh, Bieber's good, though. So I don't know. Bieber's on fire for sure. So we're here in Dallas.

Tomorrow you've got two events going on. It seems like a packed out schedule. Yep. You've got a tournament of some kind, right? Yep, yeah. Explain that real quick. So on my own tournament, it's like a game mode in Fortnite. It's called Pro League Endgame.

It's 32 players, last one alive wins. So we have eight pros and then 24 people that grinded to get to play against the pros. So that's tomorrow for $5,000 for Europe and North America. Beautiful. And then later on in the day, make a wish, right? Earlier on in the day. Oh, sorry. Really on the day, rather.

And make a wish with Good Good and Top Golf, and we're doing with Garrett Clark. You know what Garrett Clark is? I do. Top Golf Goff, Goat. Golf, entertaining, good, good goat. I don't think you'll beat him. Are you serious? I think I got Garrett.

You want to lock money? I will log money that I beat Garrett. Have you seen my golf form? I have not. I posted on my story. It's a, I don't have my phone on me. It's a good form. All right.

I'll show you my form. I actually, I was golfing with Kai Trump, and she told me all the lessons and every single thing. I'm teched out. That's a fire coach. Yeah. You can't do better than that. I'm teched out.

So, no, but also you've done a lot of charity work, a lot of philanthropy work. How important is it for you to give back? Dude, that's like, ever since I started when I was 13, I started eight years ago. Success to me looked like, okay, win four-night tournaments, stream, pull viewers, make money. But as I got older and now I'm 21, it's like, okay, I want to see other people succeed because purely of me giving them a chance, access to a career. So I give away computers. That's my thing.

gaming computers kids run out to me yo give me a clicks give me a PC and that's my favorite thing is literally to give way PCs there's a there's a professional player in fortnight right now purely because of the fact that he beat me and I want to be won't and I gave him like a jacked-out game computer and now he competes against me every single day that's awesome so that's like the dream that's what I want to do all the time I love it so you just said you started at 13 how does someone start at 13 years old because it sounds in any other profession you can't start at 13 that's so how did you start at 13 Did you watch the Four-night World Cup a long time ago?

I did. When Buga won? Yes. Okay. So I'll go all the way back when I was five years old. I was playing call of duty. I was sneaking in my brother's room every single day trying to like play because I'm five years old and he would always play.

And as time got on, I kept on playing to play Minecraft, Counterstrike. And Fortnight came out when I was, I think, either 13 or 12, let's just say 12. And I was begging my dad for a computer because I don't have one. My brother has one I was to play. And he got me a computer, but he said, you have to pay me back this summer or you have to work with me for the whole year. And I said, all, I'll pay you back. I paid him back in two weeks.

It was like $1,600. I don't know. It was $13 or $1,600 purely off of wagering people for money. It's not allowed now, but back then you could want to be won for like $50 if we want to be one. So I paid them back in two weeks. And then I think it was like six months later or eight months later, I qualified for the World Cup the most out of anyone, which was, I believe, five times or six times around

there. and I won 170 grand It was a crazy experience of my life Obviously, Boogah won like 3 million But you're 13 at this point Yeah, I was 13 at this point I dropped out of school Dots out of middle school dude

You dropped out of school in middle school Yeah, a lot of people look at me Most stupidest kid ever It was very stupid Did you ever get like your degree Or you still like doing like Are you like homeschooled? How does that work?

No dude That's the craziest part I dropped out when I was 13 I switched to online school But you know like online school I didn't do anything I just played four night every single day.

So my last year was eighth grade and then I never touched school again. Never went to high school. Just played for it. Yeah. Hell yeah. How far we're getting here. Wow. That's right.

That's crazy. Education wasn't my thing, to me honest. Like I don't like the math stuff and the science and the history. I really just- You only got to eighth grade and you get to the hard stuff. Well, bro, multiplication, you serious? Yeah. Division?

You got the long division. I was going to like algebra or something. Bro, I don't know. That stuff. But I'm actually good at math. All right. 12 stable. I could get you on that.

There you go. So dropped out at 8th grade, you made $170,000 at 13 years old. And then are the views, like, just multiplying as you're winning in these tournaments? Yeah, that's a good question. Ever since I qualved for the World's Cup that many times, I started playing with a duo at the same time called Skeptic. Do you remember the blue hair kid? He killed, yep. I was doing it with him, and he was, like, very popular for killing T-Few and stuff.

And I, people say I carried him. So that's kind of how viewers started coming to my stream. And dude, it just started rampaging up literally. I think I started averaging 20,000 viewers concurrent on Twitch. And every single tournament just kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I kept on winning more and more and more. None of like the, I didn't win World Cup. But the smaller tournaments, the FNCS Weeks and this, that, and third, I was winning.

And people just started watching me. And everyone used to think that I cheated by macroing. It's really, it gets deep. The lower gets deep. but basically it means you could steal a wall faster. I'm trying to explain it where you can understand me. No, no, no, that's good. Oh, good, okay.

So everyone just started watching me, Tifu, and all them. That's how it really took off. What percent would you say you attribute towards your gaming skills, and what percent would you say you attribute towards your personality in terms of getting views? Which ones played a bigger role? Ooh. So to get viewers in, it's the gameplay,

because they want to watch, you're the best four-night player in the, world they want to watch that but to keep them hanging is that's that's personality to build a community that we have eight years later with the same people watching even new people younger people older people that's the personality and i feel like as i got older and as i i just be the biggest talker dude i like there's clips of me saying crazy the ninja tifu myth like it was pretty bad but that was my personality as a kid i'm still toxic but back then i was really toxic and you got all those toxic kids that watched me and love the personality and that's how i built the community so you're a local out here in Dallas? Yep. Had to move here when I was, let's go back a second. Moved out of Connecticut.

I was born Connecticut when I was 16 to New Jersey. We got a mansion with all my homies rented out with a bunch of four night players, best friends, and it was insane. Just like that, Fortnite announced that they're now switching the servers from East Coast, where you have to live in East Coast to Central, which is the hub is Dallas, Texas. So if you want to compete at that top level, you need to live in Dallas. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.

And you're still competing at the top level eight years later? Yep, we just won FNCS. Me and Lacey won the Pro Am. Two week or a week and a half ago. What were the qualifications to get into like that program? That Pro Am is a little bit different, but let's take the top four-night championship, which is called FNCS.

Yeah. That is out of probably 250,000 people trying to get in, only 50 teams make it. And it's not based on cloud. It's based on cloud. No, nothing's cloud. Nothing's based on cloud in this game. It's purely about skill, qualifiers, this and then and the third.

So there's like divisions that you need to get to, the top division. Then you need to get top 120 or something, 150. And then it keeps on going down until 50 teams. Where do your skills rank amongst the best Fortnite players? Oh, I don't know, bro. In America, in America, you're... Yeah, like, we're always arguing. like who's the best basketball player in the world, who's the best,

who are the best quarterbacks, like, I guess in America. Okay. Right now I have like $850,000 earned in just the game. I would say, I would say we're top 10. We're top 10 in America. Europe's like a whole different. We only play once a year against each other at like lands, but for NA, I'd say top 10.

And has it gotten harder to be at that top 10 level as the years have gone on as you've got more and more stuff as you're getting more entrepreneurial? It's hard. It is hard to compete against kids. For example, like Peter, it's always, it's always clicks versus Peter. It's he greased me when I'm doing good. It's like, it's terrible. Peter, I'm using Peter as an example because he's one of the best gamers in the world.

But he looks like he kind of just only plays the game. What are you trying to say right now? He kind of looks like he's like, he's kind of more like stereotypical. Yeah. Like what we picture, like drinking Red Bull in the basement, just like grinding the game out. So he, yeah, he is a gamer at hard. Like, if I just looked at you two, I would, I would pick him. He just looks like he only.

Yeah, you peep. Yes. No, he does only play four nights. Like, he wakes up, plays four nights. You look like you go outside more. Thank you, bro. Oh, I still play minimum eight hours a day, no matter what. But he's, yeah, he's up there.

He's really up there. Yeah, so how many hours is he playing, like, 16? Well, right now he's on his, like, kind of like, it's weird. Right now he's probably playing 15 hours. I don't know. 15 hours. Maybe. The thing is, I don't know his schedule.

Like, sometimes he's like lazy as shit. He only plays like six hours. And sometimes he's like 15 hours. That's crazy. But our major is in two weeks. So I think he's getting ready. Oh my God. That's crazy.

15 hours of gaming. I mean, dude, that's how it is over here too. Yeah. I'm playing minimum right now at least 12 hours day. Yeah. How do you, like, so there's like different buckets in which you contribute time too there's health there's wealth there's family their friends how do you balance that playing that much fortnight dude it's hard it's hard i have a girlfriend too of two years she's she's beautiful she's

amazing but we're long distance so that helps that part especially yeah because it's like we're seeing each other once every two weeks and that that time is i'm not streaming not playing the game it's like it's our time right and the second she goes home in arkansas i'm locked in dials and i don't need to focus on anything or just focus on the craft and she's in law school so she's She's just as busy, which is helpful. But family stuff is hard because they live in Connecticut. What a funny couple. The eighth grade dropout and the lawyer?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. No, she is, dude, she's a genius, bro. But that's why it works. You know, you have to have opposites attract, right? I mean, I'm not smart when it comes to school smart. But the industry, like, I feel like I have good knowledge about all the industry. But she, dude, she's the smartest person in the world when it comes to anything school,

anything like life, dude. She's genius. Wow, I like that pairing. Yeah. I have a friend like that. Fiance is a lawyer. What's up, guys, Ms. Exact here, aka your host's double coverage, aka the biggest sports fan in the world.

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at such a young age. What age are they typically the best players in Fortnite? So there has not been more than five people that have played at a top level of Fortnite for this long, for eight years. Most players, they have their two to four years and they fall down. So like, for me, for example, I want to change that. Like, I'm 21 and I'm still competing at the top level where I was when I was 13, 14, 15, so on and so forth.

They say 18 to 20, like, that's kind of your prime. But I'm 21 and I'm in my, I think people watch me. I'm in my prime right now. Like, I'm the best I've ever been. Purely, I think, because of my confidence that I have right now. But I'm going to change that. Like, I want to play when I'm like, until I'm ass. So hopefully by 25.

So are you one of the older players in these? No. In FNCS and. Yeah, yeah. Like Peter's, I think, 19. I'm like two years older than him and all the, other top pros, they're like around 19. So I'm, yeah, I'm a little older.

So the prime, they say is 18 to 20. Yeah, there's no other sport like that. There isn't. And dude, Fortnite in like competitive video games, a lot of people joke on it. But no, like it is a top thing. Like I would compare that to sports. Like I really would. I know it's not.

You're smiling, bro. I know you are. No, I brought it up as a sport. Yeah. No, it really is. Of course, there's reaction. I'm a gamer. So I understand.

Right. But mentally, like, dude. No one's in a, If you want to look at me and smile until they watch a four-night end game where you have to do a million decisions at once. Like it's fun to watch, bro. Like, I really recommend you watching one of these tournaments, too. It's a lot of fun. It's really hard.

You know, I've kept up in the scene. Obviously, I played way more. I mean, I think a lot of my age when 27 to 2018. Yeah, yeah. Haven't, like, kept up the last couple of years, but. Yeah. I'm still aware of the landscape and the skills that it takes. I was a gamer.

I was, like, doing competitive games trying to hustle. Yeah. So same thing. Yeah. Just different games. And the amount of practice, like we have a coach, which people are going to laugh at. Like, we literally have a Fortnite coach. Would you have a coach?

I have a mental coach, breathing coach, and Fortnite coach. How does someone coach you in Fortnite? Because they see stuff that I don't see. Like I think about this real quick. I'm in the game. I'm thinking about what's in front of my face. My coach, he's looking at the map, planting out literally a million possible zones that could happen, thinking about what best rotate of all the teams landing around us,

of what timing they're on and telling us, I think you should do this. No, no, you have to go now. Like, just helping on the stuff that we're not doing, if that makes sense. And then we have a mental coach who's much more than mental. He's like breathing every single thing. The same is poppies.

He's a great dude. He's like 40. And his pure thing is helping, like, helping us mentally. It's dude. And he only works with gamers? Only the top of the top gamers. And he's won multiple. He's helped people win every single global championship

is literally because of him. Because the amount of time you're in end game. So are you, like, bringing him to the tournament? Yeah, he's there. Yep. Is he allowed to, like, assist you while you're playing? Or it's like, like, half time. Like, he notices like, yo, like, you're not right.

Like, I'll just go run a mile. And the second I'm back, like, I feel insane. Like, literally, like, he just noticed this stuff about a person that, like, I don't notice about myself. It's like, we were grand finals. We got second place in FNCS. There was one game where, like, I just wasn't, I wasn't playing right. And he watched the Vod back and he noticed I was breathing. completely incorrect.

Like breathing wrong in certain circumstances. So I started breathing right and I was great. And then we did really good. When did you, did you always have a fortnight coach? Yeah, past seven years. And,

but the breathing coach has to be new. No, seven, yeah. You've had a breathing. He's been your breathing because you were 14? 15, 15, 16, yeah. Were you the first person to do this?

Yeah. I actually do thing. Because everyone knows about him now, but he was with me. O.G days, dude. Yeah. But it's, a lot of people are to laugh,

bro, but once you understand how real it is, dude, and how actually difficult it is, it's so advanced, bro. It really is. I was in training camps with Jake Paul, boxing. It's totally different, but he is a breathing coach. This guy, Lucas Max, all they do is the mental work, the breath work, he visualizes everything. Because a lot of people they watch,

but they don't actually understand what goes into it, of how to get to that point of. Yeah, but I'm going to be honest with you, I did not think of that for Fortnite. And I want to make it more mainstream. I want people to know it's like, you know, this is not like, You hop on. Oh, we play video games for a living.

Like, no, dude. Like, you are playing the top of the top of the number one game in the world. Obviously, that's going to be controversial. But, like, point, it's everyone knows Fortnite. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's fun, dude. It's so much fun.

You got to be careful in the real world to, like, avoid an injury? No, I play basketball all the time. Okay, but what happens if you spring your finger? I don't go for rebounds against someone who's 6-5. Yeah. It's like, I play my, like, when I run, I ran back-to-back marathons. Like, I want to be athletic. but if I'm going to break my finger,

then God willing, it's going to happen regardless of if I am doing playing basketball or I'm not. Is that in your head while you're playing basketball? I'm just thinking about like, no, it shouldn't be, bro. Imagine I'm playing basketball. I'm just spraying my finger right now.

It's going to happen. You have the coach and you have the, like, you have a lot of invested in your skills as a Fortnite pro. I'd be done. Yeah, also, I didn't realize how high of a level you were still playing at this point. Really? I figured you had transitioned from just timing-wise

that you would have had to have gone to more of a just like live-transing. streaming route but yeah you're still killing it in the pro game that's no dude i'm addicted i'm i'm so passionate when it comes to fortnight gaming like all this bro it's it's so much fun and the game's killing it bro where during tournaments we have like 20 to 30 000 like concurrent viewers in like the mini tournaments in grand finals there's over like 100,000 people just watching my point of view of all like the clicksters in the community like it's it's massive bro it really is massive you want to know what else is massive what else i can't i can't do it bro

I know. But you're also kind of taking a, for lack of a term, Mr. Beast approach and you're expanding upon, not just the gaming, but you're trying to do a lot of different things. Talking about this product right here, Tap Cap. Yeah. You and Lacey, another massive live streamer, launched this product. We saw the advertisements. It was a big time launch. We had a lot of sales, right?

We had a lot. Talking about why you made this product and kind of what the reaction's been. So let's go way back. Do you know how Lacey started? I think he was donating to your stream. Okay, you're tap-fee, right? Yeah. Dude, he was a Clicks hater.

He would donate to my streams over $1,000, hating on me, saying the most wild-ever. Next to you know, I believed in him. I moved him to Dallas, and he started taking off. Obviously, like, bro, it was insane. Like, you'll see these clips. He had the craziest glow-up, but he wanted to do IRL. So I was thinking, I was like,

how could we do someone together? Because that's my best friend. I love Lacey. How could we do someone together that involves gaming? but also IRA streaming aspect where it's like his community will like my community will like so we thought of tap caps so we thought a tap cast a collectible a collectible fidget toy that you could take off and you could slap on your keyboard as a key cap but you could collect it like for example this is anti slime there's a tap cap that there's over 12 tap caps over more more than sold for a thousand dollars just not off the rarity and it costs 12 bucks we're sold out so that's probably why but but here, rip one open. You'll see that thing. You'll pull off.

Was there any other products, like influenced or products that inspired you to, that's actually pretty easy. Yeah, yeah. It is easy. So it reminds me a bit, I'm not trying to drug, but you guys are obviously gamers,

so that's kind of your field. Like when Logan and KSI did their prime, right, that they're athletes, they want a hydration drink. This seems like a similar. But nobody has done some like this before. So, no,

I would have never thought of this in a million years. You didn't get a good one. You got a core one. But, You got glow bones. But if people get a rare one- To Dallas, you can't even get me a rare one? I don't rig it, bro.

I can't just get... Whatever is in this, I do not know. But if you got a rare one, you wouldn't do what you're doing right now. Oh, you like, so you save it. Yeah, it loses its value. If you open it. So it's like a playing card almost.

Like... Basically, yes, basically. So there's 12 that have sold for over $1,000. Are those like one of ones? No, bro. Every one and every like 100. It looks cool, though. Yeah.

And here, tap it while I... Break mine open, dude? Yes. Here, it's happening next to the mic. Like, really tap, like, tap off. No, like, let me see it, bro. You're the tapper. So this is, like, a fidget toy, like, so.

It is for ADHD. It's addicting, like, and we have had a keyboard here. I have ADHD, so. Well, I'm going to get you another one then. Pull this off and put this to the side. Pull off your key cap on your keyboard. And then they, boom, you could put a photo up. It looks really sick.

Do you have that on your keyboard? Yep, yep. And we have a lot of jobs with a lot of, like I wish I could say on this, but do it so many sick brands and games and people. It's me so sick. All right, let's see what I get. Three, two, one.

What I get? You got a blue one. Oh, this is a rare one. This is a rare one. Not that ultra rare, but this is ghost. So this is one of my favorite, this is one our favorite ones. So if you open 100 of these,

how many ghosts do you think? you're going to get probably five okay well if you open 100 you're probably not going to get the rare one like i have never authentically opened the rare one if that makes sense like i've just i asked i made sure to get a rare one but i never actually opened one but a lot of people have and it's crazy dude but yeah this was my favorite i do you guys have you guys dropped like one of ones no no no we dropped yeah no would you do that like a golden ticket one of one i don't know bro every drop that gratefully, dude, every single drop that we dropped sold out super quick, dude. And we actually made ourselves an Excel one where it looks like a bear break.

Like it's big. But that's for like Lacey and I and like people that are just like friends. And everyone's like, yo, you need to drop it because it's sick, dude. It's really sick. But here, I'll give it to whoever, bro. It's really sick, bro. You put on your keyboard. No, I'm definitely going to tag it.

If you have a keyboard. It might be better for someone who's a gamer. Not. No, no. That's a beautiful thing, though. It's not purely for gamers. Like I tap. I tap Lacey off all the time with that.

Why are you laughing, bro? You tap them off all the time. Yeah, like you're tapping off. Like right now, you're tapping on. I'm tapping myself off. Yes, exactly. If you want me to help you, I could. Yeah, I'm not.

That's what I'm trying. Yeah. All right, my fan. Were there any products, like, growing up that inspired you? Because I remember for me, I'm a little bit older than you. We had cookie pens. We had silly bands. Help you?

We had, I'm 24. Okay. I'm only three years older than you. Yeah, yeah. But I'm 02. So cookie pens, like a big deal. Do you remember cookie pens?

I remember the silly bands. You'd click them in and it was like analogous to this. Honestly, we'd collect different ones. They had rare ones. They had like drap or whatever. If you had a rare one, you'd like sell it in the schoolyard. Yeah.

Those were cool. And then silly bands, of course. Yeah. Like rainbow loom. I know silly bands. That was a dicting. I used to do that.

But it's basically very similar. I don't know if silly bands had a rarity, but they didn't have the use case like this where you could put it on your key. You know what I mean? This is a two and one. Yeah. Or the pen, I mean, the pen you wrote with, but it wasn't like, you know.

Right, right. So when did you first get the idea for this product? Dude, two and a half years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah, long time ago. Before this, we launched less than a year ago, eight months ago, seven months ago. But yeah, we've been building, like building the team, building the structure for it.

It's like all the money that we're making, it just right goes right back to the company for future jobs. And we have a lot of cooking, dude. We're going to be, yeah, I'll say, we're going to be a store soon, very soon, which is the dream and the goal, bro. Like you go to like local this, that, and the third, and you can just copy yourself with tap gaps. Yeah.

So that's going to be super excited. What stores are you targeting? I don't know. Nothing's locked in yet. Well, there is locked in, but all the main stores, I'm excited. Okay, that would be awesome. What's the typical age of a click span? I wanted to get, I wanted to hear it from you.

Okay. So during the meet and greets that I have, you'll probably see a, there's, dude, it's variety. Honestly, you should be, I'll be honest. It used to be like majority of just kids. But my YouTube fan base and the YouTube clicksters, they're younger because I cut out every cussword and so on and so forth. So that's like I would say 10 to 25-ish. But my streaming is like the age that it shows is 16 to like 35, which is like obviously better than YouTube.

But it's like nothing's better. It's just a different type of audience. Like Twitch, like I say whatever I want. Yeah. Like there's no there's no holdback. You know, it's like it's toxic, bro. before when I gets toxic. So it's more of an older audience.

And a lot of the community, they've grown with me. Like, as I age, they also age. Like, when I was 13 playing World's Cup, they were also 14 or 13. And now we're 21. And they're in college. We're all, they're working. They're doing whatever. And they're still watching and coming in.

So that's the beautiful thing about Twitchryman. Okay, Jen Z, Gen Alpha. Yep. Okay. This is whatever that means. Yeah. Like the, you know, the half? Gen Alfa.

Yeah, that's like the newer one, like the 10-year-olds. Oh, that's, wow, beautiful. You got to learn this terminology. Yeah, I do. You got to use it one day. I did not know that. Yeah. So the 10-year-olds are Gen Alpha.

But no, like consumer habits. You've got to study all this, right? Like, yeah, if you're a major store and you want to have a product that, you know, Gen Z, Alpha is going to consume and actually buy, I mean, this is definitely one of them. Thank you, bro. Thank you. Yeah. I think, you know Mike?

Which Mike? Logan Paul's Mike. Oh, yeah, yeah. Big Mike. He invested. He invested. Okay. I've no Mike since I was 16 years old.

Dude, I like him a lot, bro. But he loves tap calves. He's an investor. We have a lot of other ghosts that are investors. All right, maybe I can do an opening with Mike. I just saw him at a fanatic. Yeah, you should troll him and just, if you just pull up, he'll be like, yo, he's, dude, I love, I love Mike. All right, I love it.

He's the oldest clicks fan there is, then. Well, I don't think he necessarily is a Clicks fan. I think he's more of a Lacey fan, but sure. The oldest is. There's some old, bro. There's some old cliques fans. I'll tell you that. As I've, like, people ask him what I have coming up and I explain that I'm interviewing you,

and like the reactions, like, the older people are like, if they have a son or daughter you know what I mean they're like wow but if they don't them but in the younger people it's like the same reaction the older people gave me when I said I was to interview Mike Tyson really the younger people are like oh my god you're interviewing clicks like what really that's yeah it's like a crazy reaction like like like you're to the point where it's like in it unattainable to be in the same room as you like that's kind of reaction I got yeah it was a crazy that is crazy yeah more than any other guests we've had like from the the younger people so I wanted to ask you from the horse's mouth yeah sick dude I yeah majority I would say

majority it's like yeah gen g yeah but i think but you want the youth on your side obviously yeah that's a superpower in it i mean the beautiful thing is is why i never what you said like i never switched to doing full-time i rl and i only did it a little bit it was probably because of the fact that everyone has played fortnight everyone has a known fortnight in their life like you played four night yeah of course your mother played four night your mother knows about four night your dad knows about four night everyone knows about four night you're seeing it so if i could attach my name to not only the biggest name or the biggest game and be a top competitor and also streamer.

It's like, that's, that's beautiful and that's what I want to do. And that's what I'm going to stick with. Like, I'm going to be with Fortnite until until the game is dead. Because, dude, I love the game. I'm authentically passionate about it. And everyone has always played it. So it's like, for example, Madison Beer wanted to play Fortnite. What's the first thing she does?

We play with me, me, me, Ron. You know Ron. Yeah. The homie Ron. It was me, Ron, and Madison Beer. And, dude, we're just playing trios. So it's like any eggless celebrity that's coming to Fortnite, like I did someone with Snoop Dog. Dude, it's just like, that's so beautiful because everyone knows about it.

And it's like, it's an eight, top game. To me, what explored the game into the mainstream was when Ninja played with Drake, Travis Scott, Juju, right? If you had a dream squad's match, three people to play with, any three people, probably celebrities, who would it be? Oh my God, bro. I love Drake. Like, dude, I'm a Drake. Like, yo, his music, I feel some of my bones, bro. I love it.

Drake. Drake. Drake. I'm not going on. Just. Drake, Drizy, Aubrey Graham. Yes. Yes.

No, literally. I'm not even. Yeah, I don't think there's a... Yeah. No, just Drake. Just Drake. It's a good list. Drake, if you're watching this.

Yo, no, you can't look at your DMs. Do not look at your DMs, bro. They're bad? Has he ever responded? No. He's pretty tad thin. He definitely saw it and chose not to. No.

You think he knows me? I think I'm crazy I'm actually 99.9% sure he would know you yeah no I think he's more tapped in than you can imagine I know bro I know I wish I saw him because how else would he innovate so much he's definitely paying attention I know he's watched like he watches streamers a lot dude um what else are you doing day to day other than grinding fortnight when your girlfriend comes in every other week you're spending a lot of time with her we're trying to you're running uh used to my legs a little fucked right oh all right got a torn miniscus So you're working with your breathwork coach, your mental coach, right? That takes a bit. What else is on the agenda? We're building a lot, bro. We're building a lot when it comes to, I have multiple companies.

We have Dreamin, which is my clothing brand that we're extending to a Dreaming access fund. Are you rocking Dreaming right now? No, this is Eric Cronby. Okay. But I usually rocked dreaming and I'm not a lot. I just, I don't know if I could sell promo. No, no, we encourage it. Okay.

I was like, tap caps, do I triple it down? Let's like, let's show a picture of Dreaming on screen. So what makes your merch different? It's just like I wanted to wear what I like and I couldn't find something that I could wear every single day and like. So I was like, I'm just to make my own stuff that I like, comfy, and I can just be chill with it. So that was our main thing. And we haven't dropped in like low-key six months. We dropped mouse pads.

We're like trying new stuff. The mouse pads sold out did really well. But now we're going in this route of a thing called Dream and Access Fund where every single Christmas, I do a thing called Clixmas and we give away a lot of money. Last year I think it was like 250 grand total with every single thing, brands helping computers, helping college tuition, Amazon wish list, all this stuff and we give away 30 computers to kids. And I want that 30 number to be 300 to 3,000 but computers are expensive. So we're doing this good thing called Dream and Access Fund where it's like, if you want to

donate to the fund you could, but we're targeting people that could donate to the fund and help fund and make it even bigger than it is and help kids that can't afford a gaming computer for school or for gaming especially it's like help them get them a setup get them to actually try to compete because four night in e-sports and video games and streaming is much bigger especially after what kai did than it was ever bro and a lot of kids want it's happen but their parents don't understand the value i'm gonna make it i'll make a donation on behalf of double coverage thank you bro that would that you're the homie for that but every single all like money that we're going to make from it or all money that um people want to donate from it we're going to

use straight into making computers, helping people Amazon wishless. How much is the average computer? With the price that I get, a good, good one, you could probably get for $2,000 with the price that I could get. But normally, like, probably like $3,000. It's a lot, dude. So I personally funded 30 last year, which was like $90,000, which, bro, I'm not going to lie.

Like, it's a lot of money, but seeing the reaction of winning, dude, seeing these kids' reactions winning a computer, like, I've done millions. means I've done a lot of videos. It is so priceless and it makes it all worth it. And I want to make that more big. Like that success in my eyes, obviously winning four-night tournaments, but seeing other people so happy off of something that takes not that much effort

out of me now that I have money and now that I can afford stuff like that as a kid, like I couldn't and I had to beg my dad. There's kids out there who are doing the same exact thing that I could help make a career. For example, that professional kid that I told you about, his name is Josh Riley. He's made probably almost 100 grand just off of me. giving him a $2,000 PC.

Wow. You see what I'm saying? How old is he? He's 17. Wow. But that's one out of 50 kids that I gave a computer to. Now imagine I give way a thousand. Take that math.

Think of how many kids that aren't succeeding purely because of the fact that their parents don't believe in him and they can't afford a computer. So that's what the fun's about. And that's the goal. It's an inaccessible sport relative to other ones because like if you want to play soccer, obviously, you know what I mean? You can buy soccer ball for a box, basketball, but like this, you need a three. you need to to compete. Yeah. Yeah.

At the top level, yeah. Wow. So I just passionately went into it. That's like golf or tennis though. You know what I mean? Like those sports like clubs and rackets and stuff. It's expensive. It's pricey, right?

So you have prices. This is a pricey sport. Yeah, it really is. But that's my goal now is like I already do this thing every Christmas, but what if I can do it every single month and have a team on it for the Dream and Access Fund side? So we're almost getting ready for that part. So that's really exciting.

And then we have. clicks creative, which is an in-game developing studio for a Fortnite, and we want to get into more games, that develops match and creates maps. So I have my 1-1 map that millions people play, and then I probably get in game, which is the game mode that I told you about, that we have a tournament coming soon that a lot of people play as well. There's a lot of nuances to Fortnite. You have the same in Roblox, so you just said, you know, the maps, right, people can play. You also have the creative codes, right, where people use, like, your code.

Oh, that is my bread of butter, dude. I create so many commercials for credit codes. At your peak, what was your best month in terms of people using your code? And how much did that net you? Oh, man. It's at $1.5. $1.5 million from kids purchasing things in the item shop and using your code. Yeah, and that month was my icon month.

It was crazy, bro. That was insane. That was gratefully blessed by Fortnite for giving me a skill. but the amount of people that supported me, I'm even more blessed by that. So that was crazy. So your skin did big numbers. Did they report that to you,

like how well it did relative to like? Nah. But like the apps, they said my icon skin did the best of anyone. It's like on the Fortnite tracker app. I don't know how accurate is. But if you go in game, there's a lot of click skins that they're happy.

Does that make you if you ran to load up and see a click skin? The fact that I'm even in the game is even more like bread taken and life changing, but the fact that I can load in and see other people using it, It's, bro, it's so crazy. Do you use yourself?

Yeah. So you play with yourself. I touch myself. You touch yourself. Okay. Yes. You're playing with yourself. All the time.

And I have a girl version too. You have a girl version? No, you don't. I'm the first icon to make a female version of my skin because competitive players, they don't use male skins. Because the hit box, the hit box is the same, but the character model is bigger than the female. I copy and paste my girlfriend, and I put her in the game. Oh, it's your girlfriend. But it's clicks.

It's called Sparks. Wow. If you want to watch the video. Yeah, no, I got to watch this. So, only, so competitive players only use female players. That's crazy. 99% of them, yeah. There's that one percent that wear males.

Wow. Yeah. I had no idea. Well, think about it. You want to be the smallest. Yeah. Girls are the females. Yeah.

Wow, that's crazy. That's good information. So I would have never thought that in a middle. I guess I'm not tapped in enough. Yeah. 99% of the players are playing with female skins. Yeah, dude. It's, bro, I want to get, like, everyone,

watching like they probably don't know me ahead of my time when i was like so fortnight 2017 that was nine years ago i was 15 and my dad walked in to my room and also the female skin he's like zach what the hell are you doing playing as a girl really and i'm like i don't know it like i didn't have any rhyme or reason i was like it just kind of looks cool he's like dude you probably thought i was like yeah no or like you know i'm hiding something are there any top competitive players who are who are women um There's different divisions. No, there's not a single female player that is competing at our level, I guess, of, like, the top and top tournaments.

But there is a female division where it's only females, and they compete and they win a lot of money because they're all in their own, you know what I'm saying? So male and female is separated in e-sports as well, not just. Yeah. Well, they could play our tournaments, but it's much harder. So they have their own division, and it's called like Milk Cup, I think. But it's, like, different. But yeah, no, they're good. They're good, though.

I'm not going to lie. Like, I've got. Really? By a couple female pros. No, I was wondering the difference in e-sports compared to, like, because obviously we see all this stuff with basketball, football.

There's physical limitations. But so I guess there's still a little bit of physical limitations in gaming. I honestly don't know how. Like, I don't know how. But yeah, yes, there is because there hasn't been a single. Like reaction speed maybe or...

It might be reaction speed because, I mean, reaction is literally 90% of the game. How fast you're going to react to it, right? So it could be that. It could be. But now, a single female pro you know what sport would you say would you liken it to is it maybe like f1 or so like there's just for what the the skills required to be the best fortnight player

i i would compare it i think f1 yeah because i mean dude like your reaction is everything in the game if you get lurked on meaning someone sneaking on you bro you have to react off on the first shot you don't react to that first shot in that millisecond you're you're gone is there You just lost $100,000. Is there anything you're doing to work on the attributes that you need to be a top level player other than playing the game? Yeah. Like, are there exercises you're doing to increase your reaction speed and stuff like that? Yeah, well, I watched film.

I had an issue where I would miss a certain thing after killing someone. Like, I would miss, like, brick. I would miss a certain on mats. So the person that I tell you about his name is Poppy, mental coach, everything coach, other than the Fortnite. He made me do a thing called Where's Walda? You know, whereas Walda? Yeah. I was doing that for no joke.

I did that a lot. Finding Wald, but it was the most exhausting thing ever. But now, it seriously has helped because you're training your eyes to find that one thing. The second I kill someone,

I'm getting all their lieu in a millisecond. And I'm not missing a single thing. Obviously, you have your hiccups where, like, oh, my, how do I just miss that? But dude, it got bad. So I do, I do train that.

I train my aim as much as I possibly can. I train my mechanics. So how do you train your aim of mechanics outside just playing the game? Kovax. You know what Kovax is? Explain that. for the audience.

So, coax is an app where it basically is a game, but it's purely for aim. So it's like little red dots and there's different courses that you're tracking your,

your mouse speed and you have to hit the red little dots. It's kind of confusing if you don't, if you're not a gamer, but it's basically an aim training map. Who's on your Fortnite Mount Rushmore? Great question, dude.

Are we talking about the game in general? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Game in general. Besides, I would say, oh man, Ninja, 100 million percent.

Tifu, 100%. Buga, 100%. And then fourth is whatever, the people comment below. So those three are cemented. Those three in my head, 100 million percent. Ninja, Tifu, Buga. Because those are names where your mom knows. You know, that Buga won the biggest tournament

with millions, 100 millions of people watching. And then fourth is... What made that tournament so special? It was the first one with that big of a prize bill, I think. And that anybody could play in this, not limited to just a certain club or something. Like, you could play if you wanted. You know? Yeah.

So that's what was beautiful about it. And I won five in a row, dude. Like, it was not in a row, but five out of the ten weeks. It was crazy. Like, I was off of something, bro. But everyone was playing. And what was the winnings for each one of those? Well, if you if you call once you make 50,000 bucks

But you can only quote once So I called once in duos and solos I want 100k And then you get an additional 10 20k for first Wow I made a million when I was 13 Off of just like Four Night In- Are your parents helping you with that? Oh yeah bro.

Dude, I wouldn't be broke if they weren't help me Okay I didn't spend any of my money So it was all sitting there in like an account And they were investing it for you and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't do anything.

I bought my first car when I was 16. That was my first big purchase. But other than that, it's been all just invested, which is that's the beautiful thing is about, like making a lot of money when I was young is I couldn't really just go out and buy stuff. And I don't understand the value of money because fortunately, I've never worked a job

where it's like, I don't understand the value of money. So if I see this much money in account, I'm just like, I'm not going to buy, I'm going to, all right, I'll just upgrade my monitor and buy a $300 monitor. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what's been your biggest purchase? though now that you're 21.

Oh, okay. I just bought a brand new 2025 SF90 Ferrari and that was that was 600 and 50 or something. That was crazy. That was like, I did it because

I like to do a thing where I think a lot of other people also do is like you buy something really dumb that costs a lot of money purely for the fact of like that sounds so messed up. But you get what I'm saying like

purely just the facts is like all right, I got to grind. It's like a refreshing where you get motivated because of it, but you're using that motivation. Like, dude, I just bought, I just bought a Ferrari. Holy shit. Let's grind harder. Let's keep on going. Let's keep on doing it.

Let's keep on building. You know, so that's the same ideology as buying a sick house because you wake up and you see the house. You're like, I got to work to maintain this. Exactly. Exactly. So that was the main thing behind that is like, should I bought that? Better stuff to put my money into for sure. Have you wrapped it or anything?

No, it has like a $40,000 paint job. It's like sat in. No, you're not going to look at clicks rap. Dude, come on, bro. No, dude. Bro, what? There's some guys who would do that. No, that's corny.

I like it still. You seen a little Uzi's car with the anime wrap? That's corny, bro. It's pretty cool. It's cool, but it's just like, so out there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You wouldn't do that.

So you're keeping it stock with the $40,000 paint show. With the rap, yeah, yeah. I'm getting into it and stuff. But, yeah. So how often do you drive an SF 90? Whenever I want to, dude. Really? That's like your daily?

Did you pull up to here in the S-N-90? No. Okay. I have a turbo-west as well. Okay. Then I have a range, which is my favorite. So they're really cool where I'm not going to lie. I hate talking about cars, but not a sick cars. But I have three cars as well.

So we're same boat. Which ones are you going on? I have a Uris. Tough. I have a Bentley. And then I have a range. Ooh. What range?

But I don't drive. A 25. I love range rover, bro. I drive every day. You drive every day. The only time I see sunlight is getting breakfast So I go I get breakfast Every single day

The only time you see sunlight is getting breakfast You're not exercising? Oh yeah, I work out and I walk But you have like a home gym? Yeah Well, or I go to a gym But mainly I get breakfast and I go walk I get breakfast on this like lake

Where you get sun And then I walk for like Two to four And then I get on Two to four miles Then I get on whenever I won't Wow I usually get on at two

And get off at two because you look like you outside you're not like a you're not what we picture really well I was talking like old they were like well how does this kid look what was he doing eating Doritos drinking monster and that's that's how everyone pictures I don't eat unhealthy at all yeah my bro I sit your skin's clear I sit inside all day bro's I don't eat anything bad like my homie cook's crazy good meals like have you adapted to that like was it hard in the beginning dudes you're sitting down a photo of old fat cliques right here dude it was yes I had a wake-up call for sure I just do Dorita

grilled cheese every day, like no joke, 18 hours a day, go to bed at 6 in the morning, wake up at 5 p.m. Like, I had that moment. Like, that was the come up. But now there's a better come up, and that's having a healthier schedule. But I need to wake up late. Like, this is super early for me because our tournament starts at 6. So your reaction time in your brain, they need to be the best at 6 p.m. I was surprised how early this was book.

So I thought as a gamer. What? I thought you wanted this time. No, I prefer later. Oh, me too. to wake up at this time. Dude, I like to wake up at noon.

Yeah, I'm like an 11. I don't wake up at 9.30 day, dude. You piece it down. Yeah, me too. I woke up the same time. Okay, yeah. No, I like to sleep.

I love, yeah, I sleep 10 hours every day. Yeah, me too. Okay, right. Yeah, yeah, I mean, different goals, but yeah, like, we don't sleep is the most healthiest thing you do as a human. Yeah, yeah, I like, I work out twice a day and then I pass out for 10 hours. Work out twice a day? Probably, yeah.

I mean, you look, Jack, Muckle-in. I do? Yeah, you look, your muscles are there. Thank you. Yeah, I need to start doing it more. Yeah, I offered a train neon. He never took me up. Yeah.

If you want to get in the gym, any time, let me know. Yeah, I'm trying to do it. It's just, I get in my head. You want to know why? Because I think if I get in the gym, I'm going to get too jacked. You're going to get too jacked? You're going to look like Ronnie Coleman? Let me finish, bro.

My mouse is 52 grams, right? This is muscles that I'm doing. What if I gain muscles, and now it feels different? then my aim's off. You get what I'm saying? No, this is real, that goes in my head. That's like a, but like Steph Curry lifts weights. He's not scared about.

Yeah, but you never seen him get jacked, jacked. He's pretty jacked. No, he's jacked, but he's jacked, but he's jacked, but you have a long ways to go before your Steph Curry. Oh, I have a million ways to go before I'm step. Yeah. But he's not like LeBron James, like, yeah. Like, LeBron's pretty massive, I'm not going to lie.

Yeah, but even Yonis gained a bunch. Like, these guys gained 50, 60 pounds of muscle in there. Bro, but they're not top shooters, like Steph. Yeah. He's a top shooter. He's getting a lot of muscles. I'm saying like you. You guys are both top shooters.

Oh, that's kind of hard. We are top shooters. Yeah, but right now I'm in my prime where I'm like not missing anything. This might be cope. I think you should lift some more weights. Yeah, it's cool. I don't want to lift. Yeah, I think you should.

I want to beat. Just for health things. Yeah. Like 30 minutes. A couple, you know what I mean? You're right. No, I'm going to. You're not lifting at all?

No, I'm lifting like once, twice, three times maybe a week. I'm walking. I got to walk a lot. All right. Well, do you hit some pushups and pull-ups. Yeah. I should. It's for health.

I do creatine every day. You creatine every day? All right. Helps are you mental. Yeah. How many grams are you doing? Just one scoop. Oh,

I think for the mental effects, and you like three. On God? Yeah. On God. Three day? The cognitive effects, it's like 15 to 20 grams.

I think I might have just won you the next tournament. You might have been doing it. A little jacked. Yeah, a little sum there. You got it. No, I'm not at it. Now, I'm not at it.

All right. Let's do it, dude. Before we head out, what's one message you have? for all the double coverage fans that are tuning in and seeing an interview of yours for the first time. All the double coverage fans. I watch a lot of your podcast, but please, y'all may look at video game players at e-sports athletes as cringy or corny, but tap into one tournament and it will change your life.

There you have it. There we have it. To live in one tournament, your life will be changed. Yo, it's, I'm not even joking, bro. It's like the World Cup, just Fortnite Edition. Yeah, literally. Different regions, all going at it. It's intense.

You get thrills, you can chills up your veins while you're watching these things, dude. Like, you have a rotate end game, 30 moving alive, search ticking you, you need 100 damage, or you're gone,

and you have $100,000 in the line to win this game? No, you've never done that. I told a lot of people in this interview, and they were, like, really confused. I said,

e-sports is a sport. So you're in the same category as the Mike Tyson's, the George St. Pierre, all the legends that we've interviewed. I'm glad you said it. I am. Yeah, I am.

This is before he started of the interview, you're like, I'm a better athlete than Mike Tyson ever was. I'm like, that's crazy. I said that.

Yeah, you know, I said that. You're like, I'll say it to his face. I remember saying that. Yeah. I would say that to his face. Yeah.

Yep. But thank you, dude. Thank you for watching. Hey, slap that like button, subscribe. We'll see you out in the next episode 25. Yes, sir.