Doug Loves Movies - Bryan Fuller, Josh Gondelman and Kevin Lewis guest

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

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They're still not one that he won't see Hey hey hey everybody my name is Doug and I love movies This is Doug loves movies recording on Wednesday afternoon February 11th 2026 and my guest today are two filmmakers and one funny maker Brian Fuller, Josh Gondelman, and Kevin Lewis. Hello, gentlemen. Hello. Oh, Doug.

Let's meet you all individually and alphabetically. I usually say by first name, but as it turns out, you're in the same order, whether it's your first name or it's your last name. His movie Dust Bunny is up for multiple Film Independent Spirit Awards this Sunday in Hollywood. It's first time guest Brian Fuller. Hey, Brian. Hello. Thank you for having me.

Well, not only are you the genius behind TV shows like Pushing Daisies and Hannibal. You also now have this feature film. How did you make the, like, why is this your first movie when you've done lots of stuff already? I think there was an opportunity to make a first movie in a way that I had just sort of resigned myself to being a television writer and also somebody who's frequently rewriting and that leaves very little time to direct. so I never got an opportunity to direct in television because I was wearing too many other hats. And I was developing the show, amazing stories, and this episode was having a hard time getting through the process. And I just said, I think this would make a great movie since all of the episodes were designed to feel like Amblin movies of the 80s. And I put it in my back pocket and went off to write a script.

and work for five years to try to get at me. And it is without a doubt the most violent amplage that's ever happened. I don't know. The bathroom, the mom in the kitchen versus the Gremlin's, there's Gremlins being blended and microwaved and, you know, round. Yeah, but that's when they had to change the ratings rules. Just, you know, that was one of the movies that, you know, set people off. like this is too scary for children.

But also, they're just dumb little gremlins that get, you know, no people get killed that violently, right? Mrs. Deagle? She gets tossed out a window at speed. But that's what's her fault for having such a high-powered stair chair. True, true. And I would put like Indian. Jones in the Temple of Doom under the Amblin umbrella and mold. Oh, yeah.

That's an extreme way. Hard out. So I feel like we are in an appropriately reflective homage mode with Dust Bunny. But you did get the R rating though for it. Yes, we did get an R rating. It's very, you know, I have to say as movie violence goes, it's never like turn your head away. You know, it's got a poetic nature to it and hyper-realistic.

It's very loony tunes. I love the loony tunes. And that was, of course, a large staple of a lot of Gen X's diets. And our first defense mechanism against real-life violence is how we grew up with all of this cartoon violence. and we basically shrugged off a lot of stuff that new generations are having a harder time doing. Yeah, they're really getting soft, I think. They are soft.

And how can people see Dust Bunny right now? It's on VOD right now, so wherever you buy your digital videos, and then we're going to be on HBO in a couple of months, and HBO Max. Oh, very cool. If you're impatient, drop that $1499 at the Apple store or the Amazon store. If you are patient, it's going to be available on HBO Max in a month or so.

I say don't be patient. It's a really, really fun movie, and it's got a friend of the show, David Desmeltzian has a great part in it. And it's a lot of fun. I'm glad that you're like you were very nice to me about it. So I appreciate it. It perhaps isn't a movie for everyone, but I think it's a movie for a lot of people. Yeah, if it's for you, it's really for you. You will love it if it's in your wheelhouse.

And I think a lot of people listen to this podcast will really dig it. My next guest was on the Lost San Francisco show a few weeks back. So we had to have them on as soon as we could. It's Josh Gondelman. Hey, Josh. Hi, Doug. Thank you so much for having me back. and what a lost show it was, like the city of Atlantis of podcast episodes.

We played the game, one of the games we played that day where you had to guess the most popular vampire movie, the most critically acclaimed vampire movies. We played that game again on another episode since none of my guests could have possibly heard it, or the listeners for that matter, only the people that were there live. It was still pretty fun, but the crew in San Francisco did better at it. Those audience lifelines are really amazing. Yeah, they were really strong. Today you're going to be left to your own devices.

I see that you're going to be at a club I like very much the Commonwealth Comedy Club in Kentucky right across the river from Cincinnati on April 10th and 11th. It's true. I'm really excited. I love that room. It's so fun. I think you are going to have a good time. I think any time they take a church in terms. into something better is a good thing.

Totally. Comedy club, fried chicken spot, whatever you can do. Yeah. It's fun to sit in a pew and laugh. Most church stuff isn't that funny. He is a director who was first on the show in 2021 to promote his film, Willie's Wonderland. And he's been back for, I think, every project since, it's been on two or three times more.

It's Kevin Lewis. Hey, Kevin. Hey, Doug. Thanks for having me. Tell us about the project you're promoting this time. Yeah, the movie's called Misdirection. It's Ovalourke-Karralenko and Frank Grillo. And it's basically a home invasion, neo-noir thriller. And it just premiered this week on VOD.

So I'm excited for it to come out. All right. So now everybody has two movies that they have to be impatient and get them on VOD. VOD sounds like an SDI. It's not the greatest. Or like a religious new metal band. Yeah, it's not the best abbreviation, but we're stuck with it, I guess. And before we play some games today, I would like each one of you,

this might come as a surprise to you, Brian, because you haven't done the show before, but I won't make you go first, but I'd like each one of you to recommend one movie. It could be old or new, but I prefer if it's something people can access either in a theater now or on that VOD

that we were mentioning or just on a streamer. So, Josh, you knew this question was coming. What did you got for me? You know, my wife and I just watched The Mastermind from 2025. It stars Josh O'Connor, who you know from being everywhere. and it was kind of a smaller, quieter movie that, like, didn't make as big a splash.

I love a heist movie where it's, like, largely not about the heist itself. I thought it was pretty cool. And it's like available on Mooby, I believe, M-U-B-I for your viewing enjoyment. And it's like kind of a melancholy heist movie, which is like, it's almost like a reverse-order. sexy beast, if that makes any sense. And feel free to yell at me if that's wrong to you. Well, it certainly isn't as stylish as sexy beast and it's not as intense. So yeah, I think you're right about the oppositeness there. They clipped it around. Yeah. Joshua O'Connor is an amazing actor because he's, you know, some of these movies he's been in like Challengers and

wake up dead man knives out to y'all those movies he is so charismatic and in the mastermind he put that on hold he said this character has hardly any personality at all

I kind of like that they were like he really leaned into being a like heist mastermind where you're just like this guy's a fucking dud yeah he really is just a loser who's got this like this heist idea and then like proceeds

to stumble around trying to make it happen and then trying to deal with the repercussions of it. And it's great too. It's like, man, everything's all this guy's fault because he's just some loser. All right. Well, let's go to Kevin for your recommendation. So it's funny because, you know, Brian was talking about Amblin and everything. And I just watched this movie even a couple times because I've been watching all the 80s movies. and three o'clock high. I just love that movie. I just watched it again recently with my kids.

So I know it's not a current movie, but it's such an interesting movie that Spielberg was a producer on it, but then took his name off. And I love all the stylistic camera choices that Lejeano did on it and the fun story. And it's just, I just love that movie. And the fantastic Tangerine Dream score. How cool is that, right?

I mean, risky business. They do risky business, and then it's got that. I mean, yeah, Tandri June is amazing in that movie. Yeah. Yeah, it was starred Casey Simbasco, and I can't think his name now, but the guy that was the bad guy in kindergarten cop is in it. And, yeah, it's a super entertaining movie. Do you know why Spielberg took his name off?

So it's funny because I've read a lot of things on it, And I guess, you know, Aaron Spelling had the rights and he wouldn't give it up to him. Spielberg is the one that tapped, you know, Philip to do the movie. And he was involved in it. I think he was out doing Empire of the Sun. I watched the documentary on it. He was doing Empire of the Sun, I think, when they were shooting it. But I think also it was that, and it was the darker subject matter, and it wasn't Amblin.

I mean, the whole thing with the two. teacher and the Tangerine Dream score, which is great. But Spielberg, I guess, wanted more of a karate kid vibe to it. And Phil took the script and rewrote it. He was influenced by After Hours, which that's one of my Fares Scorsese movies.

I just watched it again because to show my girlfriend a great Catherine O'Hara movie. Yes. Oh, yeah. It's a make, she's so good. I love that movie. Everyone in that movie is fantastic because it's just everyone is like something

is off with every single person. Absolutely. He inspired him to do 3 o'clock high. So he's like, can I do this? I want to do a rewrite of it. And so he made it, he didn't want to do just a karate kid

80s high school movie. And that's why I think it's so interesting and great, you know, it's just such a unique film. It's just awesome. Yeah, this conversation is making me want to watch that one again because I haven't seen it in a minute.

And I remember loving it because just like after hours, just really, really interesting camera work and stuff that would go on to inspire lots of filmmakers like like Richie and

Edgar Wright and and the list goes on and on of just the way it just moves and is so it's great and that was the thing I learned about it after hours that I didn't know when I started

reading more about that is that Scorsese really was like completely down in the dumps and just not happy with his previous movie being such a big flop that this was just sort of like, oh, I'll just do something and just, you know, do something interesting. And it turned out like we might not have this litany of Scorsese movies if after hours didn't work. Absolutely.

Another one of my favorite genres is guy meets a bunch of weirdos. It's the best. And it's like after hours has adapted go about off of your movie, but your recommendation, but After Hours is like it's so, it also reminds me very much of eyes wide shut. Just the, you know, constantly like, oh, this guy would just do this. If he would just say this or do this. Like, you know, he's causing his own problems while also dealing with all these oddballs. Like, you can't blame them for everything because he's so brilliant in After Hours.

He's so good. Yeah, he's great. And he's so funny. And American World War I from But And of course he's, you know, showed up in things, you know, many things over the years. Now he's, now he's all gray-haired, but he's still doing stuff. Yeah. Like judges.

He plays a lot of judges. Which you thought those roles would have gone to Judge Reinhold in his old age. Because he's just, the name is right there. You'd give him the inside track, you'd think. You'd think so. I know he played, you know, it was a joke in one of the, I think, Airplane 2 or something. He plays, you know, they go. and now here's Judge Reinhold

and he comes out. Now, Brian, before you give your recommendation, I do not discuss with my guests what they're going to say, and last week, entirely unprompted, a comedian friend of mine recommended Dust Bunny.

Ah! Yeah, it was really fun timing, and he was like, can I come back and be on with Brian next week? And I was like, no, it's booked. And I'm going to say Dust Bunny? That's what you want. That's your choice. Well, I was inspired by Kevin coloring outside the lines, as he did with 3 o'clock high.

And there's, I'm, I've sort of got the three stooges of answers stuck in the doorway of I both, I want to say a movie that hasn't come out yet, but will in a couple of weeks. and I want to say some oldies but goodies. Well, let's hear about the one that's about to come out since people can't go out and see it and then tell me one of the older ones that you would recommend. I saw Scream 7. Oh, I saw you posting about it on social media

and I actually looked to see if, is he a producer on it or something? Like I really felt like you were really pushing it, but it's because you like it so much. I, you know, I love, a good slasher. And there are

some fantastic kills in it. But more importantly, there is my favorite scene in any of the screen movies in that movie between Nev Campbell and

her daughter. And it made me cry. And I was like, fuck you screen movie for making me cry. It's so good. Nev Campbell is so good. So that's my like, believe the hype, go have some fun. And the, like, my relaxation now is to watch old shows.

And I'm currently, I just watched the two-hour movie of Buck Rogers in the 23th century. Oh, yeah, love that. Yeah, love that show. I had to, you know, lament the passing of Gilgerard. And, but that's not what I'm going to suggest. What I just saw it and it brought up how it's not great. It's fun.

But you know what is great is the Battlestar Galactica two-hour movie from 1978. Amazing. That rocked my world. It's a horror movie. You've got aunt people, cocooning folks, eating them up. you know, the destruction of man. It's great and it has this quasi, not quite camp of Flash Gordon

a couple years later, but a sort of click in its heel for the genocidal subject matter that suggests like a James Gunn kind of fun about it. And I thoroughly enjoyed it and the robot dog

made me cry? I clearly right very easily. Yeah, you're talking about soft people are now and everything's making you cry. Well, I'll cry, but I'll also kick you in a baby maker. I appreciate

your immediate access to the full spectrum of feelings, Brian. Well, it's a spectrum. We're all on it. So this was was this movie what led to the the much heralded Battlestar Galactica reboot? Yes, and there are little bits of it. And so what's so interesting about it is that George Lucas

wanted to do Flash Gordon. They said no, so he was like, F you, I'm going to do Star Wars. Then everybody wanted to do something, space. And then Glenn Larson was like, I'm going to do a space thing. And George Lucas was like, how dare you, I'm going to sue you? Because you used all of my guys. And then looking at it through modern eyes, and decades of the next generation

and Deep Space Nine and Voyager and all the Star Trek. So maybe Battlesar Galactica stole a little bit from Star Wars, not a sound argument and kind of proven out in the soup, but what totally stole a lot from Battlesar Galactica is Star Trek. And a little bit of Empire Strikes Back. Like there's these plot points as I was watching the whole show going like, oh my God, they did, like,

The Cylon, when you get to know one, they're the Borg. Like, they're doing the same thing as the Borg. They want perfection. They want organization. So there are no new ideas. Well, I'd say you're, you had a new idea with Dust Bunny because I can't think of a previous movie where a Dust Bunny, you know, is actually, you know, a scary creature. I'll take the compliment

Can I say one more I'm sorry I saw it the other night and I just want to do a plug for it because it's amazing and I I think all you guys will love it it's good luck have fun don't die Oh I want to see that

Oh it is amazing man Gore was there and he spoke after it And Sam Rockwell It's such a clever you don't know where the movie's going And this whole film you're watching, you don't know. It's just so refreshing and it's coming out Friday and it's awesome. You guys will all dig it. How do you guys feel about the fact that like the midnight screenings on Thursdays

have inched down to like two in the afternoon? Like so these movies really open on Thursday. Does that bother you? No, get your coin. Get your coin. Keep the movie theaters open. However you do it. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Open them on Monday, if you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, why is everybody so married to Thursday, Friday? Like, why not, you know, just put it out whenever you feel like it? Mm-hmm. Like Beyonce, surprise drop. It's just no showtime's advertised.

Oh, just come down to the local multiplex and hope it's there. Yeah. Well, thank you for all of those recommendations. There's lots of great stuff for people to check out. And we're going to take our first break. B.R. Today's episode is brought to you in part by Shopify. Picture this.

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our B we are B our first game today is called that's fantastic and it's a pretty generic title for this game where I give you three choices we'll start with Brian and once you've heard the three options you pick one and if you're wrong

then we move on to Josh and he gets to try and he's basically got a 50-50. If he misses it, then Kevin gets what we call the gimmee point because there's only one response left. And then each time somebody gets one right, the next person will be the first to go. Brian? Yes.

There was a kids show called Romp A Room on television. And my question about Romp A Room is, Did it ever feature Leonardo DiCaprio, Ryan Gosling, or both? Well, I remember the magic mirror. Yeah. And I feel like I have heard, like Ryan was a Mickey Mouse kid, right? So my suspicion is you're being tricksy and. false like a hairy-footed

Hobbit and you're trying to lure me into an incorrect answer by saying it was Ryan Gosling. So I'm going to, because he was such a Disney kid and I feel like I would have heard that he did Romp a Room as well, I'm going to say Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes, Leonardo DiCaprio, it's his first acting credit appeared in one

episode of Romper Room. Brian, you're on the board with one point. Josh. Josh gets this next one. I'm ready. The film is called Marvin's Room. Probably one of the worst titles of all time, but a very heavy drama. And the question is, who's in it?

Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, or both? I remember, I would have said DiCaprio off the top of my head. I don't know that De Niro is it. I'm going to go just DiCaprio again. I'm sorry, Josh, that is incorrect. Kevin, was it De Niro or both Leo and De Niro? I think both.

That is correct. Kevin Lewis is also on the board at one point. We're back to Brian. Everybody's on the board. Must be real nice. Brian, there's a short. film called The Audition. Does it feature Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, or both?

It's a short film? Yes, this is a surprise to me. From 2015, they made a short film that has one or both of those guys in it. And it's called The Audition. Both? I don't know. I like your approach. you know, you might as well guess something.

And that is correct. Both of them are in it. You got that right. The poster, the image on IMDB for the movie is Leo and De Niro and Scorsese and Brad Pitt. And this was a short movie? And it's a short film. I can't believe. Are you just a documentary about something they all worked about?

Are you saying it's short because Martin Scorsese is short? No. I mean, all of them are probably shorter than you'd imagine. Or because it's shorter than the Irishman. Everything's shorter than the Irishman. But yeah, I'm going to try to track down this short film because just the fact that those four are in it and the poster images, the four of them in tuxedos,

with a lot of bright lights behind them. So I don't know what that is, but I don't know why I wouldn't be interested in it with those four dudes. So just something to look out for, I guess. Josh, this is it. You got to get this one. Shit.

That's a little of pressure. The movie is critters. Does critters have Leonardo DiCaprio, Billy Zane, or neither? Jeez, this is good. I'm going to go just Zane. That is correct. Just Billy Zane. I don't remember, you know, from that first Critters,

what Billy Zane, you know, what his part was like in that, but he was definitely in it. And DiCaprio shows up in Critters Part 3. Oh. So that was supposed to be the trick of that question is people confusing which Critters movie DiCaprio might be in. But sometimes the less you know, the better. And it's Scott Grimes was in it

from the Orville, right? Yes. That was correct. That was on the cover of Fangoria magazine. I imagine it should be, right? They made three of them or more. I don't even know if they made a four, five, or six of critters, but it's such a good title that they probably, you know,

milked it as much as they could. So congratulations, Josh, you got one. Thank you. Kevin. We're back to Kevin. All right. What's his name? Baz Luhrmann's Romeo plus Juliet. Did that have Leonardo DiCaprio, Paul Rudd, or both?

Oh, man. I know this answer. I also know this answer. I promise. I think I'm going to go for both. Yes, both is correct. That one's supposed to be tricky because Paul Rudd, you know. He's in an astronaut suit.

Yes. At the costume party. And even at the time, it was too small a role for that for him. You know, like he's hot off the heels of the Halloween five, or returned Michael Myers or whatever one. So he's ready for nights or costumes figure prominently. But he was a typecast. The real MVP of Bazelor,

Mons, Romeo, plus Julia, is Harold Perino. Oh, yeah. He's a great. Who is he? Mercutio or Tybalt? Yeah, Mercutio. Yeah. And he does the whole... John Leguizamo? No. He's great. Was Tybalt John Leguizamo? I think so, yeah.

He had, like, the gun that said, like, yeah, it's just, like, weapon on it or whatever. It's the whatever word they use, like, draw your weapon, and the gun hasn't printed on the bottom. I think that movie has, like, an amazing first 10 minutes, and then, you know, it's fine. but like it really cooks in the beginning. Like it picks up when they take drugs and do drag numbers on the stairs. Yeah, that's a good part too. Okay, so heaven got that one right.

So now we're back to Brian. This is the last one in case, unless there's a tie. I hope it's something easy. It might be. As you can imagine, it involves the N.R. DiCaprio. A movie is called The Man in the Iron Mask Is that got Decaprio

Peter Sarsgaard or both? Well, it's definitely got Decapreo and I mean, if it were Jake Gyllenhaal I would say Scarsguard just because I'm going to say solo Leo.

Oh, I'm sorry. Well. But this is great because Josh has a chance now to make a three-way tie happen. Okay. And I'm going to attempt to do that by saying both. Both is correct.

Yay! Woo! Young Peter Scarsgaard appears with Leo. And now we have a three-way tie and to break the tie. We'll go to whoever gets this one right first wins and Kevin is up next.

So Kevin, if you get this right, you win this game. And all you win is you go first in the in the next game so it's not really uh it's not really that crucial but uh good luck nonetheless all right i hope it's about gilbert grape i almost did uh i thought in my head that like juliet lewis um in gilbert grape was one of those ones where you go well wait was that juliette lewis but uh i i thought it was you know too obvious So this is what I went with Kevin.

The film is called Body of Lies. Does that have DiCaprio, Russell Crow, or both? It's got both. I think that was Ridley Scott. It was Ridley Scott. No bonus points for saying that, but you did win this game because both are in Body of Lies,

a movie that I don't really remember. You remember the Body of Evidence with Madonna? Yeah, and proof of life with Crow and Meg Ryan. Was another one. Body of Wonderland, starring John Mayer. That is in a movie. Yeah, you're right. All right.

Well, congratulations to Kevin. You get to go first in our next game. We're going to play after this break. We'll be right back. We are back. It's like no time passed. It goes by so fast, but I hope people still buy all the products and services that are talked about during those ads. Our final game today, a game that decides it all, but it is a big one.

And a tough one, like if any of you were saying to yourselves, this game isn't so hard about that last game, you're going to change your tune about this one because I think it's going to be fun, but it's really interesting. concepts. The game is called Too Cool for School. And I found a website that their whole thing is just making lists regarding movies.

I don't know who at this website is the person who decides what's on these lists. Maybe a group of people get together and make these decisions. But they had the nerve to make a list of the ranked list of the top 100 coolest movies ever made.

And I wrote down the top 25. So the three of you are going to take turns guessing movies you think might land on this list. If you get the number one movie, if you think of the coolest movie of all time according to this list, you'll get 25 points. If you get the 25th coolest movie of all time, you'll get one point. And then there's, you know, all those points available. in between. And when was this list made? Recently.

It's a great question. I didn't really... And can you say the name of the website or no? Because I kind of want to get a feel for their vibe as much as we can. Well, that's the thing is it's... I don't want to give anybody the opportunity to cheat. Okay. Oh, sure, sure.

You could just pull up this website. Yeah. But it's, you know, it's just some people. that decide to start a thing but they have a pretty decent following on social media and that's why I was this one list was pushed at me when I saw 100 hundred coolest movies like I it's not a list I could make because as soon as you start to oh this movie is the eighth coolest movie ever made you're gonna second guess yourself like crazy so you dumbass this was the 56 coolest movie yeah like just to argue

about these things is ridiculous but I have to say that looking at the list. I was like, these are some pretty cool movies. Okay. That's what I needed. That's what I needed. Yes. It's like an every man, cool, man, coolest. I'm on board with how cool these movies are. And I wouldn't say every man. I'd say film lover. Okay. You know, I think it's a little bit more esoteric than the, than what the every man would say are the coolest movies. So we'll start with Kevin. He'll guess one. I'll tell you if it's on the list and how many points he got. Then Josh, then Brian. But you're each going to get three guesses total.

and then we'll add up the numbers. But also hopefully we'll talk about some cool movies in the process. Kevin, what do you think is one of the top 25 cool movies of all time? There's so many of them. But I'm just going to go with the movie that popped in my head when I heard when you were describing it. I'm going to say back to the future. You just got to go with your gut on these things. And a lot of times your gut is, you know, you probably have indigestion or something.

and it's not going to help you out because I agree that that movie is super cool. Maybe it didn't make, you know, it could be in the top 100, but it didn't make the top 25. The only reason I could think that it might not have is that as cool as it is, it's a movie about nerds. You know what I mean? Like every character...

He plays the guitar! He does. And he was the hottest young actor at the time for sure, but you look at it now in his outfits and his... demeanor and everything. He wasn't the coolest guy. As you learn, you learn more that his ancestors were very

cool in the sequels. Yeah, and the third one, you're like, oh, all right. A bunch of Wild West losers. All right, Kevin, that was a great guest, so don't feel bad. This is absolutely tough to just

access what these people might have thought were cool movies. But what's your first guest, Josh? My first guess, And we're trying to calibrate, right? So we know, back to the future, no, I'm going to go Pulp Fiction. Oh, yeah. Good answer.

Good answer. Thank you. Yeah. It's the number five movie on the list. Wow. Okay. We've culibrated a little bit. We've got our cool libration going.

Yeah. So that's worth 21 points for Josh. But this is not an insurmountable lead by any stretch, Brian. Had you thought of it? of Pulp Fiction? Is that one that came into your head? Well, I definitely was thinking about Quentin Tarantinos and sort of the, if we're cool and the cinephiles, I would say

my trans sisters, The Matrix from also for the 90s. The Matrix was really, really cool. And number seven on the list. Oh, wow. Yeah, so that's worth

19 points. And the other one was number five? What's that? Pulp fiction was number five. Yeah, and Matrix was number five. So Josh currently has two more points than Brian, but Josh could have an accident.

Still anybody's game. Yeah, anything could happen. You never know these days when a car's not just going to crash through the wall suddenly. It would be tough. My apartment is not on the side where the street is. That was just an example. Yeah, lots of bad things could happen to me.

You might be doing this from the tub. We don't know. Are most of these from the 90s or the 80s? Or can you tell? I think they're pretty spread out. But, you know, obviously, you know, there's some pretty cool shit. in the 70s. I think the 70s is the coolest decade.

But the movies are pretty spread out. And since it's the second round, you're all about to go, I can give you this information all at once. It's not unfair. Not a lot of recent, like really recent things don't seem to have made the list. So it's more like it's got more of a classic vibe overall. all. Kevin, you've had a little time to think about it. You've heard some other answers. What's your second guess? I'm going on with Rebel Without a Cause. Good answer. Oh, my God. Very cool. That movie is so cool.

So cool. So, I'm imitated. You can't see the Los Angeles Conservatory. Observatory. observatory without observing that that is from that film. Although I guess they've rearranged some stuff there so like it doesn't look exactly like you can't recreate the

you know the adult they do like a drag race next to the next to the observatory. But I'm sorry Kevin. You're still in this because all it takes is you know one of these top

top four movies and you would you know, still jump up ahead of Josh or Brian, but Josh has an opportunity to put some more points on board with his second guess. I'm going to go Easy Rider. Oh, yeah.

Oh, man. That is a great one, especially if you like holding things between your knees. One of my top four places to hold things. Wait, okay. hand, right hand. Yep. My heart.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And between my knees is number four. You can hold Nicholson's breakfast order in your heart. I'm sorry to say Easy Rider did not make it. Okay. What?

I know. There's a lot of movies that should be on this list that are not, but the ones that are. When you hear the ones that are, you're going to be like, well, okay. That's good at least that it's not like, like, oh, what did they put in the top 25? Yeah, there's not going to be any weirdness in that sense. I don't think, but I'll be interested in hearing your takes when I tell you what the rest of them are. But for now, we go to Brian.

This second guest is crucial. You get any more points you could potentially pass Josh. I'm going to pick up what you're laying down in terms of 70s cool. and go with taxi driver. Yeah, that is, that is definitely on the list. It is number 22. Oh! Wow.

That is with three points. Still on top. No. Launched into the league. Oh, no. With 22 points. Near the top. Still near the top is what I meant.

Yes. You know, just keep telling yourself that. But, yeah, I, you know, I think that one should have landed a little higher than 22, but it definitely is a cool movie. Kevin, we really need you here to come up with one, two, three, or four. All right. Cool is a movie. Going with the Great Escape, McQueen, cool. Now, see, here's the thing.

If I had some sort of participation trophy or something, I would give you the largest one imaginable because you name three movies that are super cool, and yet none of them are in the top 25 here. But we can't argue with the coolness of your choices. Josh, this is it, man. This is where you can, Maybe I can jump back into the front.

Take the lead back. It's Mary Poppins, Josh. That bag was a pretty futuristic technology. She was nice to children. That's cool. It's so cool. I'm going to go. I'm also going to go with a Scorsese because to me, I think a cool movie, I think Goodfellas.

Oh, good fellas. That's a good one. It's pretty damn cool. and it is number 10 on the list. Wow. Oh, no, I apologize. It's number 16 on the list. Okay.

But the reason I said 10 is because it's worth 10 points. Cool. So, yes. So now Josh has 31 points. So Brian needs a big one to take the win this one. I am torn. you're like Natalie and Bruglia? Between

I'm torn between Fight Club and the Dark Night. Oh. Those are both so cool. Like because you said most of them are not recent but that dark night was like almost 20 years ago now, right?

Yeah, it's been a while. It's been a while for sure. Okay, I'm going to go with Dark Night. Good answer. I absolutely agree. I was, I think for a few years after it came out, I called it not, you know, the best, you know, my favorite movie. And also, like, and I don't think much has topped Heath Ledger's performance in that film. Like, it is.

Except for Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in Batman Returns. That's another good one. Heath Ledger's performance launched the wisdom, like, you can just get an Oscar for playing the Joker. Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's amazing. He's great. You know, I feel like Christopher Nolan really lucked out there

because he just really, I guess he was pretty method about it. I guess he was kind of running around being the Joker all the time. But anyway, I'm sorry to drag him. out the suspense here. But unfortunately, Brian, it did not make the cut. Oh, wow. Did Fight Club? Fight Club also did not make the cut. So

maybe these people that aren't very... That's homophobia. I have won that I was too timid to guess because I didn't know if it would fit this. We didn't have any other movies like this on the scatter plot, but I feel like Big Lobowski probably would be it fits in. Yeah, Big

Lobowski is number 19 on the list. Is it the first Blade Runner? Blade Runner is, why are you guys guessing ones that are on the list now? I was pretty good about it on the list when we were playing. Blade Runner is number 10. Oh, yeah. I like this game. I like just continuing to guess.

Any other ones? Whatch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Oh, sorry, what did you say, Kevin? I was going to say Raiders Lost Stark. Oh, that's cool. Super cool, but it's not on the list. Oh, God. Oh, guys.

David Lynch movies? Cool. Like, it's Warshowski's, it's, it's, Cohen Brothers, David Lynch. Blue Velvet, right?

Blue Velvet? You'd think so, but no. Mahal and Drive? No. No, I don't think a single Lynch movie made the list. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Oh, yeah, you said that. Yes. I think that movie might have got docked a little bit for having that scene where they're riding around on the bicycle. The rain drops keep falling on my hand. Because that's an extremely uncool sequence. Kind of uncool. Be it for yourself. I like it because it breaks up, you know, like it's not expected in that kind of movie to have a sequence like that.

And then I believe, of course, that that song went on to win. best song at the Oscars. Well, what are the top 10? Yeah. Oh, I'll give you. I'm going to give you all of it. Give it. Give it.

But before I do that, let's do everybody's plugs because then the listeners stick around. Starting with Josh, what would you like to promote? I will be at the Hitler Club in Philadelphia on February 20th and 21st. you can find out about that and all my dates at my newsletter. That's marvelous. That's marvelous newsletter.com. And I co-host a podcast called The Nightly for Hatch that's supposed to you're supposed to fall asleep to it.

So I will not get offended if you tell me you fall asleep to it. And it really is nightly? It is nightly. I'm on like twice a week. Oh, I see. And how long is it? It's about 25 minutes. So what, you know, what happens if you listen to the whole 25 minutes and you,

you don't fall asleep. Oh, then we start screaming. We get real fucking chaotic. I mean, I love that as a concept, you know, something to specifically fall asleep to. And is the other people that do it, are they similar to you

in their gentle vocal stylings? I think that is the, that's the goal in part. Everybody has a nice voice and everybody keeps it real chill. It's like a very nice, crew. I have a lot of fun working with them. Very soothing.

Yeah. Sothing people. Asimr people. All right. Thank you, Josh. We'll have you back as a returning champion at yours and our earliest convenience. Kevin Lewis, the movie is on VOD. Yes. Yes. Right now. Yes. A misdirection. And it's, it's one. It's one. were an MIS direction. Like it's not, when I first heard it, I thought it might be like a, some sort

of pageant and somebody wins this direction. It's a good drag name. Yes, absolutely. That would be really good. Okay. And Brian Fuller, Dust Bunny is also on VOD. Is there anything else you want to plug? Just just buy that on VOD and I'll get a nickel. and I can tip better. And watch the, if you want to see the Independent Spirit film awards on this Sunday afternoon and the whole thing is going to play this year on YouTube. So dial that up and root for Brian. Good luck, Brian.

Absolutely, good luck, Brian. Thank you. All right. We've got so many movies to go. through here. And the name of the website that this list came from is called, it's called Tasteof Cinema.com.

So I guess that's a big clue, the word cinema. When somebody starts saying cinema, you know, movies are going to be pretty hoity-to-oity. But this cracks me up. A person from, I assume, from Taste of Cinema, maybe it's just

one guy, but his Twitter account, or his ex-account, I should say, is his name is David cinema, which would be the most amazing if that's really his name. You know, because isn't there, there's a politician his last name is cinema. So it's really a...

Christian Cinema, sure. Yeah, so it's a name that's out there. So his name's really David Cinema. The other way is to go the Matthew Berry way and his name is Taste. Like toast of London. All right. So let's go through here and name all the

movies that it goes all the way back to, I think this might be the oldest one, number 25 from 1947, out of the past. Oh, wow. Great. Yeah. I didn't expect anyone to come up with that one. And then number 24 on the list, very cool.

I think we'll all agree. Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of those 70s ones. It's super, super duper cool. Number 23 is back to the 70s, and one of the greatest actors ever, the French connection. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, that's just all you're going to do is, uh-huh, uh-huh.

I like that we haven't gone the fuck yet. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you will. I mean, you might. There's a couple that are maybe a little too esoteric, but number 21 was, speaking of Brian Gosselin, earlier, drive. I mean, that movie is just, that's the whole point is how cool it is. Number 20 is

John Wu film A Better Tomorrow. Pretty cool movie. Yeah? But I don't know if it would have sprung to mind for this list. 19 was Big Lebowski. 18, the original old boy. Which

you know, with Spike Lee re-made it and then just took out the best scene in the movie. I thought that was an interesting choice. But he was like, you know, that's more like, you know, belongs in the original movie. And I shouldn't need to steal that part. But, you know, when he eats the squid, you know, when he's in the sushi place and he eats a live squid,

like on camera, it's pretty, I don't feel so great about, I feel bad for the squid, but it's a cool scene. I'm curious if there's any Spike Lee movies. Yeah, there should be. And it turns out there isn't. It's a lot of, not, you know, I don't mean this as like shaking my fist, but I was like, a lot of white people movies is what we're getting here.

Well, that's what I started right, too. I mean, old boy wasn't, but yeah. Yes, yeah, yeah. There's some, but it definitely leans towards, you know, white film school, you know, boys, deciding what's cool. Number 17, I mean, this is like, you know, every, every, you know, man who likes an action movie has a complete hard on for the movie Heat. Michael Mann, Michael Mann obviously had to be on the list because he's, all his movies

are very cool. Number 16 is, where is it? What happened is 16? Why can't I find 16? Oh, there it is. Oh, good fellas. That's why I couldn't find it because I already crossed it out because Josh said it. 15.

John Luke Godard, Breathless. Very cool. Which, if you haven't seen Noville Vogue, that's a really good movie about, you know, making a breathless with amazing casting. Like all the people really seem like the people that they're playing. Number 14. Curisawa's Yojimbo So yeah

This has got some Esoteric stuff in there 13 is Bullet With Steve McQueen I was going to say bullet And I thought I always say great escape But I was going to say bullet

Yeah Yeah You pivoted the wrong way But they both definitely pretty cool Number 12 Is the long goodbye Raymond Chandler adaptation

11 is Reservoir Dogs So Tarantino got on the list Twice Number 10 was Blade Runner Number 9 This is my biggest Complaint on the list

But I just think it's because the movie Has not aged well In our time of ice And people Doing things without warrants Dirty Harry I thought you were going to Ice Pirates.

Ice age three. Ice age three. It's very traumatic now. I knew a guy who's an extra ice pirates. That didn't work out so great for him. Where did I leave off? That was nine. Nine. Okay. So number eight is... Where's number eight?

Oh, man. Why can't I find number eight? Maybe number eight doesn't exist. It's already been said. Oh, that might have been. Oh, no, I found it. Number eight, I even tried my best to write these in an order where they'd be easy to find, but they're easier to find while you were guessing than they are during this part.

But number eight is Enter the Dragon, Bruce Lee. Oh, that is a good one. Yeah. Bruce was cool. He really was. I didn't, that's one thing I didn't like about once upon a time in Hollywood is making Bruce Lee look like a dick hat. Yeah, boo.

Yeah, I didn't care for that. Number six, another John Wu movie, but, you know, again, a really cool movie with the slow motion and the doves, the killer. Yeah. That's like saying the episode of Gilligan's Island where they almost got it off the island. Yeah, a John Woo movie with the slow motion and the dog.

Yeah, he really, really kept using those same, things over and over again. Okay, so that was number, what number are we on? Is that eight? Yes. Number seven is Matrix, and six is, oh, wait, we already got into this. Six was the killer.

So now number five is... That was Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction. and number four, now we're getting into, if anybody has said these, they probably would have won the game. Number four is less samurai. Oh, yeah.

Pretty cool. Number three, now this is funny to me that this movie is deemed the third coolest movie ever. I can't really argue with it, but it's still funny to me because it's such a silly movie. Point Break. And then number two, just because they really made being in a gang look super awesome, the Warriors. I love that.

Come out there. Yeah. They're remaking it, right? They've been trying, I met on that as a TV show like years ago. They've been trying to do that. Yeah. And then number one, which I, you know, did not think anyone would get. It makes sense to me that nobody got it. But it is a pretty cool movie.

the good, the bad, and the ugly. Oh, man. Yep. Yeah. I didn't get into like Westerns, really, or like the kind of like, I almost, Friday almost came because I was like Friday is cool as hell. Yeah, but this is like, now that I'm, you know, really examining it, I think you'd have to have a sword or a gun for these guys.

It's cool. Were there any John Carpenter movies on there? No. And like, there's several that should have been. you know but also i don't know what else is on you know they listed a hundred movies so they probably got around to them eventually uh but um i've got some quick plugs i'm going to be doing the benson movie interruption at dicy typewriter on tuesday march third and i'll be at the punchline in houston texas doing stand-up on march six and seventh all of my dates are at douglasmovies

dot com and i forgot to ask you earlier josh um who should i Since you won, you get to decide who I should call it shithead to close out the episode. Oh, that's such a good question. Who's a shithead this week? I'm happy to crowdsource this informed consensus among the panel as well, if anybody has any shitheads in their life. Oh, I'm going to go with the smoke detector that was out of battery that beat for two straight days in my apartment. building is the shithead this week.

I love it. It's true of, you know, the smoke detector is going off when there is no fire in general as a real shit end. Yeah. With the stupid, you know, and how like they're so hard to,

you know, turn off. They're so insistent that they're really saving your life when they are not. Well, thank you once again. Kevin Lewis, Josh Goblin, and Brian Fuller, and as always

smoke detectors that won't stop are a shithead Now it's time for Doug to watch another talkie Eyes of gold is viewing Prouin' prowess makes him cocky There's no room in his heart for you

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