Doug Loves Movies - Jake Fogelnest, April Richardson and Edgar Wright guest

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

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chlorine-free, and dye-free. Enjoy the show. This is Doug Loves Movies with a very special Homes Alone, Both Sides of the Pond edition to celebrate the release of the doc the sparks brothers my guests are jake fogelnest april richardson and edgar wright yeah hello yeah we did it you guys this is international shit going on right here. Let's meet everybody individually, starting with frequent guest on the show,

writer, director of, I believe, his first documentary in theaters June 18th, The Sparks Brothers. It's Edgar Wright. Hello, Edgar. Thank you. I know I'm a regular guest, although I have not been on for four years, which makes me a terrible guest, a terrible regular guest rather. And I would like to point out I'm not the writer director of the Sparks

documentary because how can you write real life, Doug? I know, but isn't that a credit that you have on it? No, I'm just directing. They did have like a writing credit, but I took it off because it looked weird on a documentary. It's like, it's like people are talking. I just, I just asked the questions. Yeah, I agree that there should be, there's a few things that should have a writer credit on them and somehow it sneaks in there. That said, a lot of documentaries are fabricated. I feel, I did feel that there are a lot of documentaries recently where I feel like they maybe have landed upon something and then shoot the whole of the first

half. You know, like I felt that. Which one? Tell me which one you think that about. Well, famously like catfish, the original documentary. Once they figured out that there was something in it, they went back and shot the whole of the first half as a reconstruction. Because why would anybody be filming saying, hey, I just met this cute blonde on Facebook. Why would you be filming that?

The latter part of it, like where they meet the real woman, that's real, but they went back and fabricated it. There's a couple of, I felt like my octopus teacher, it felt like, wait, you just happened to have this wildlife crew when you were swimming through a particular spot on the ocean one day, when you just happened to find this one octopus and you had the crew with you

when that happened what the fuck and i just felt like at a certain point i feel like leave the octopus alone i mean like what did he do what did he do to deserve maybe he wants to be on his own thank you he lives in the ocean for a reason I've carried on a private relationship with an octopus for years. I've never once filmed it. It's my personal business. I'm uncomfortable even talking about it on this show. But it is, my octopus teacher, it is a love affair. And an octopus does teach him how to love.

And it's fascinating to watch, but I was quite shocked. There's some really heavy documentaries that was up against the Oscars. And I really love Crip Camp. So I was personally just surprised that, you know, a nature doc essentially won over a collective as well. The doc about the Romanian nightclub fire, which is about as, as, you know, kind of heavy as it gets, which was amazing documentary. No, I did feel like it, I mean, I would, I wouldn't have minded if my octopus teacher was sexier.

I think that's kind of like, it was where it was heading. And it's what we're all thinking. And like, why wasn't it called like my calamari matahari? I mean, it would have been so much so much sexier yeah i can't i haven't seen it because i can't handle anything about underwater anything like i don't like obviously this goes deeper like i don't know it but i can't i'm too scared of the ocean i'm too scared of anything that's like the deeper you go in the ocean you know fish have like chainsaws and

and stuff and i can't handle that stuff creeps me out way too much so i can't handle an octopus feature i also i have not seen it either and it's uh for no other reason than me and my wife just didn't care. Jake, you famously have a fear of teachers. Yes. I also like teachers, anything with a teacher in the title. I'm not interested in. I do not want to learn. I have a learning phobia. Except for the old Rob Lowe film teachers. Rob Lowe was in there yes he talks about in his uh uh new autobiography i believe uh but i i wasn't it about the teachers he would have been like he was one of the students yes he was one of the students which is why i could handle the film yeah like the the poster

was like all the adults, like it was about the adults. That's I guess that's why I don't remember Rob Lowe being in there. The album cover is this like an apple that's being lit on fire. I guess it's like a cherry bomb or something. I don't know. It had like a metal soundtrack. Yeah.

It wasn't. Doug, you saw my octopus Teacher, didn't you? I did, yes. I saw every movie nominated for an Oscar this year for the first time, I think, ever. I did the same. Not for the first time. Because I had the time.

I watched every single one. Yeah. Did you feel that it was the same octopus all the way through, or did you think they swapped it out? It's not the same octopus. Well, no, you know like Full House when the Olsen twins are playing the same character, right? Do you think they had it out? Was it like, well, no, you know, like Full House when the Olsen twins are playing the same character, right? Do you think they had more than one octopus?

Mary-Kate and Ashley Octopus? Wait, so one of the octopuses was Mary-Kate also? No, you know, like they swap them out and they get tired. There was a, I just feel like there was ample opportunity to do that. Like there's, in's a, in, in the UK there's a famous kids show called blue Peter, where they had a dog called Petra on the show. And then it's a famous like kids show and they had this dog called Petra.

And then the dog got killed, I think, run over by a car. So rather than upset the viewers, they swapped out the dog, but some kids were wise to that saying Petra looks different. Then it became the thing that the kind of like there's a fake Petra. I have kind of a serious question, which will demonstrate not only my fear of the ocean, but also how dumb I am. Could you if I put two octopuses in front of you, could you tell the difference between them? Could anyone? I mean, if one of them was wearing like a funny t-shirt

or something. Like if one of them was wearing an I'm with stupid t-shirt and then That should have been the poster for the film. Maybe I would have watched it. I like this theory you have, Edgar. Now I'm starting to think maybe they brought in

like a special octopus specifically for the love scene. They catfished us. When they made love. What are their labor laws? Maybe it's like children, like an octopus can only work like six hours a day or something. Yeah. Octopuses are just like the Olsen twins.

Listen, I got to introduce- Eight arms i gotta hold you but only six hours of labor yes exactly i've still got two more guests to introduce april richardson is here hello april hi how's it going thank you for having me uh from the why do i like this podcast yeah that's just when i started because i was bored when I moved here to England. So me and my husband started doing that. And it's fun. That's fun that, you know, I thought we'd only have the one guest in England today. But then it turns out that's where you live now.

That's where I live now. I have yet to develop a fake Madonna accent. I'm actively fighting it every day. But yeah, I've lived here for a couple I live now. I have yet to develop a fakey Madonna accent. I'm actively fighting it every day, but yeah, I've lived here for a couple of years now. April figured it out. April totally figured it out. She's like, I am going to marry a British pop star and move to England. That's right. And you, I, I was, I, I think the last time I saw you was when we were all at the Sparks concert and you were getting ready to move to England.

Yeah, yeah. That was only like a few weeks before I moved here. And then I got here just in time to be on house arrest. Yeah. So, yeah. Worked out great. And that is Jake Fogelnest, everybody. Hi, everybody. It's nice to be here. Writer, producer, Jake of all trades.

Yeah, thank you, Doug. Yeah, I am a Jake of all trades. I've never actually applied that phrase to myself, and I don't know why. And I guess that is why you doug get paid the big bucks um i yeah and i gotta i started a podcast very similarly uh during the pandemic uh i took a break from podcasting because since i was 14 years old i'd had some sort of show of some kind uh my entire life and then i went and became like a writer producer type person picked up a couple emmy nominations and i was like i miss being behind a mic so i got a new podcast people can listen to if they want what's it called and what's the

what's the premise well it's uh it's it's it's first of all, there's the Patreon version, which is basically, Doug, I started my own streaming service. So it's like Netflix, but all of the content is Jake Fogelman's based. So it gives you access to like with all due respect to Taylor Swift. like with all due respect to Taylor Swift, I was smart enough to own my master's when I was a teenager. So you can actually see old squirt TV, the show I did on public access that became an MTV show. You get to see that again. And I do a weekly show called I did this first where it's just me. You see clips from the old show, me now talking about whatever's on my mind. Sometimes I have guests, sometimes I don't. And if you want to check it out for free, there's like a free feed on all the podcast things.

And that's just called Jake Fogelman's Free Episodes. That's a great name. Yeah, it gives you, you know, I do all different kinds of stuff on my streaming service, which I'm calling Fogelness Plus. Oh, nice. Yeah, I think you've already changed your name on Twitter, Fogelness Plus now? No, no, it's just Jake Fogelness.

Oh, I saw somebody else do that. I saw somebody else just add a plus at the end of their name. I thought that was so funny. else just add a plus at the end of the game i thought that was so funny um so uh april and jake are both here today uh because in part because they are both in edgar's new documentary that he didn't write and it has no octopuses in it and it's called the sparks brothers because the band sparks are of course uh two real life brothers and uh it's the you know it's called The Sparks Brothers because the band Sparks are, of course, two real life brothers. And it's the you know, it's the best band that a lot of people don't know about. And what Jake and April, you've seen the movie.

Yes. Yes. Do you remember like how often are you? How often do you appear in the film and say something? Well, yeah, I mean, I don't. how often are you how often do you appear in the film and say something well yeah i mean i don't i don't a couple of times um do you remember any of you do you remember what you said um i do feel like i kind of maybe insulted franz fernand a bit inadvertently uh by saying they were lucky to work with sparks but i do i mean i'm so grateful to edgar though because it's like my dream like all i want to do is be a person who gets to talk

about stuff that they like on camera so it's like the idea that i just got to be in a thing going these guys are rad and be in a movie saying that is my lifelong dream um so yeah even just having like one line in it was awesome but yeah it's and it's great even as a fan like the crazy thing was watching it i was like there's a lot of the stuff i didn't even know even as somebody who's liked them for years and years because because i mean i guess private's like the wrong word but they don't really you know you not a lot of people know a lot about their they're not like brad pitt or something where like paparazzi are following them around no they're a mystery and an enigma yeah of a band you know i don't know who says it in the film but it's just like you could read spark's wikipedia entry and know nothing about them. Totally. You know, which, um, and I'm in the film for like a soundbite and Edgar

said to me like, Hey, I know you're a Sparks fan. And, um, uh, you know, I, I like to interview you for the movie. And I said, you're, Oh, that's nice. You're being very polite at this party. Um, uh, and you're never going to call me, but, uh, then one day he did. And and the day that I went in to interview Ron and Russell were there, I got to meet them, which was a delight. And they were wonderful. And I said to Edgar, you're going to cut me out of this documentary. It's OK. In advance. okay in advance um he didn't i meant it for one i think pivotal line very very pivotal and and i much like april i am honored proud humbled uh to be in this documentary about uh one of my favorite bands uh and uh it's just edgar i can't thank you enough for uh making first of all i i've always thought there should be a sparks documentary when i knew that you were making a sparks documentary i said good it's in the right hands it's the right person

to to tell this story and the fact that i get to be in it for a second was just like icing on the cake. So I was surprised when you went like since they've been a band for so long, were you kind of like, I can't believe no one's done this before. Yeah, that was part of the reason it came about is I kept thinking, why has nobody done the Sparks documentary like that? And I it was actually sort of partly inspired by having been a fan for a long time. But, you know, around the time that I was I came up with it, I was splitting time between London and Los Angeles and bringing Sparks into conversation, as I frequently do. I was very aware that they had a completely different following in different countries for different eras and that was kind of interesting to me because in the UK most people knew them from like the mid-70s and late 70s island sort of glam rock years and then later the Georgia marauder years whereas you come

to LA and then everybody's talking about the K-rock new wave years and people like obsessed with angst in my pants and Cool Places and those albums and Womp That Sucker, the early 80s albums. So it was interesting to me that there was like, unusually for a band, they had a following at different times, but like in different territories with completely different records. And it wasn't really, I think, until this century territories with completely different records and it wasn't really i think until this century and with the advent of the internet or even like as kind of um bittersweet as it is sometimes or oh let me say problematic that something like spotify is it is this does have this equilibrium where like suddenly for the first time ever you could just find the entire discography of sparks

whereas before when i was growing up you'd have to rely on what was in the local record store. And sometimes that would be zero Sparks. So it would be like a hunt. It would be like an Easter egg hunt to find a Sparks album. And then it might not be like one of the most famous ones, you know, that you might be flicking through and find, you know, pulling rabbits out of a hat or one of the kind of like the sort of lesser known ones.

So very difficult until recently to kind of really get your head around the entire output of the band. And that's sort of why I wanted to make the documentary. And I will say this, Jake and April is that you aren't, there are a couple of people who didn't make it at all. So you should count your lucky stars. Oh no, I can't imagine. i had to apologize for the few people who who didn't make it into the entire yeah you interviewed that octopus and he was a dud

this guy sucks get him out no edgar i can't i can't even imagine because it's just it's just it's a murderer's row of you know pop culture figures and musicians like um our peers our peers no like no it's not like look it's the only movie i've been in with flea and so far so far you know right but um no it's very interesting i i i've been in two documentaries um i was in the they might be giants documentary uh which i think is hard to find now um and and now the the sparks documentary and uh okay you're only you're only jake you're like you have like it's in your kind of con you know like you said to your agent I only want to be in documentaries about oddball musical duos. Completely.

Who else is on your list? Listen, I basically, I've said to Dave Grohl, I know that Monday from one to three, you have set aside to shoot documentary films. Once a week. He just sits down and he just does his interviews for the ones that he appears in. And then the ones that he makes it. So Dave girl, I've just said to him, like, whatever you need me for, I'm there.

In terms of other oddball doers. The truth is honestly, Edgar, I, and I can verify this with another documentarian, Jeffrey Schwarz, who, I don't know if you're familiar with his work, but he's great. I said, you know, if there was any band I would want to make a documentary about, it was it would be Sparks. And and I just didn't do it. And I think thankfully I didn't start it or because you did a much better job. You're the only person I think that could make the sparks documentary. There's a, there's a funny story to how I kind of got. Eventually like goaded into it is that I feel like I had sort of said aloud too many times. It's maybe a bit like candyman is once you've said it five times in a row,

somebody is going to like call you on it. And I'd said many times in the way that like both of you thought, Oh, why isn't there a documentary about Sparks? And I'd said the same thing. So friends saying like, Hey, you know, the only thing stopping this band from being as big as they should be, or people realizing how influential they are is like an overview. Because even if you, like you said said even if you read your wikipedia page it's still like a daunting prospect getting into sparks if you don't know them but if there was an overview where you could like sort of just you know hear the whole spark story and see their career it would

be huge for them and i said this like maybe three or four or five times. And then the fifth time and the final time I said it was at a Sparks gig, which you were at April at the El Rey in 2000. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. 2017 on the hippopotamus tour. And I was in the balcony with Phil Lord. And I said that out loud to him, somebody's got to make a documentary about these guys. And Phil said, you should do it.

And because it was Phil saying that to me, I just said, yeah, I will. And then, and then after the show I went up to Ron and Russell and said, Hey, I've got an idea for a film thing I want to talk to you about. And then as soon as you can imagine, lots of people talk things up and then don't do them. But once I had said it out loud to Ron and Russell, I would do a documentary about them. I, it was a vocal contract, which I had to make good on.

Absolutely. That makes sense. Especially to Ron and Russell, who I'm sure many people over the years have said to them. It's like, yeah, man, that is a vocal contract. Boy, did you honor it.

It's such a... Were they game from the very beginning or were they, because I get the impression that they, like, it isn't necessarily a planned thing that they were like, Hey, we're going to be super private throughout our entire careers. It seems sort of accidental because it's the thing. It almost seems like, well, nobody really asked for details. So we've never given them, but were were they any were they apprehensive about talking about their private lives or their beginnings or their childhoods and all that kind of stuff i think they said yes because it was me asking that i know that

they'd said no no to other people like in the past that they'd been asked to do a documentary and i think one of their only likes of they didn't they they said yes like when I suggested it and then you know the only thing that they you know they are sort of private and there's elements of their they don't really want to talk about relationships because there's an element of they wanted to retain some kind of enigma that that to them wasn't important to the music and i felt like a i would honor that and b there's plenty to talk about there's like 50 years of stuff to unpack in a weird way then after them having said we don't really want to talk about relationships that was the only thing off the table the few times when it does come up in the documentary organically and they can't kind of help themselves talking

about it as some of my favorite bits. Yeah. The thing that was like verboten and yet, like one of my favorite things is when like Russell's talking about Miss Christine from the GTOs and says, yeah, I became friends with her. And then in the two show, you can see Ron start to smirk, as he said, you know, and then Ron says, we did. He goes, okay, let me, let me back up. I became friends with Miss Christine.

And those bits where it's a bit unguarded and them just being brothers or them not being able to get through their sort of diplomatic version of events is very sweet to me. I mean, I also think the thing with them, like the thing that's the truth of it and what you said, April,

about did they have a plan of being that private i think it's more the fact that they the line between ron and russell and sparks has become blurred over the years and and in in the like maybe the three years before i started doing the documentary that i knew them i was always kind of taken with the fact that they never seemed to be off like they're never like not yeah they're always like together i've only seen russell twice without ron but they're like sort of seemingly always like coordinated kind of like without they're not identical twins but they do have that thing where like one speaks and then the other speaks they don't talk over each other there's this kind of amazing sort of um just presence they have that they kind of

like come as a duo and it's sort of amazing to be around and then in the documentary as you'll see like you know they they're only worried about it like that they laughed about afterwards that they said oh i like a lot of other documentaries there's no like end of second act tragedy or like addiction or something to sort of like a real i mean there is there is a low in a commercial and financial sense yeah but there's not it's not like behind the music where it's like and then then heroin needles yeah edgar what you did was so smart structuring an album by album i think was like the way to go you know, it's because they don't have a standard. That's what's funny about them is they don't have a standard rise and fall and rise trajectory.

They're sort of up and down. It's like rise, fall, rise, fall, rise, fall, rise, fall. Every time they have a hit, they willfully choose to commit career suicide. And then they come back from that again. And it happens about eight times. And you think at some point that's like sort of like the, you know, continual left turns has to be deliberate, doesn't it? Yeah, but it's just, you know, as a result,

there's a documentary about a band that's just fun all the way through and doesn't bum you out. Yeah. I mean, it might have been, you know, if I had to fabricate it like the octopus teacher, it probably I would have I would have had to kill one of them. And that would have been a bummer. Do you guys remember? Did you guys watch behind the music? Yes, absolutely. Do you remember how the funniest one to me? And maybe this is going to be like me and whatever. It's like obviously most of them had a vice, right?

It's like they tell a story and then they're like, oh, and then this guy was on this. He was hooked on coke and this guy heroin do you remember angel dust entered the picture right right it's usually something huge but on i remember john cougar melon camps was just cigarettes they were just like he couldn't stop smoking and i'm like that's it my dad does that like that's not a rock star thing they were just just like, well, he smokes all the time. No, he also had a real issue with sucking down chili dogs. Oh yeah. Yes. I forgot about that. He was always sucking down chili dogs.

I find that behind the music, I used to like the ones the most of the bands I like the least. I don't know why. You know, like something like Poison, sign me up. used to like the ones the most of the bands i like the least i don't know why i'm sort of like you know like something like poison sign me up i'll watch an hour about poison i think it was the journey one that had like a super intense close-up of one of them crying for a really long time that was just like okay you can cut away from this it was yeah my wife won't make fun of me because i will watch any music documentary i'm not particularly i'm not particularly the biggest fan of the

grateful dead have i seen a six hour documentary about the grateful dead yes i have totally um and and i just any music documentary i will watch it. The one that cracks me up the most is the Rush documentary, you know, and Rush is a band that I enjoy passively. I'm not like a super Rush fan, but I'm not against them the way that some people are. But Rush is a band. It's a documentary where there is absolutely no conflict. It's just like, yeah, we really get along and we have our fans and we know we're maybe not considered the coolest, but that's okay. And we're okay with it. And yeah, we've gotten along. We're very Canadian and happy. It's no conflict, but it's a wonderful documentary.

All right. Well, I recommend people check that out. Like, you know, a few years from now in the meantime, the Sparks brothers is also, people check that out like you know a few years from now in the meantime yes it's not going anywhere the sparks brothers is also it's exciting because this is a documentary about a great band but it's also a documentary that's going to have actual uh screens it's you know it's opening on many screens on on june 18th which is uh it's big. And I think it's, do you think it's the timing has a lot to do with it? Like, you know, you're ready with a movie right when movie theaters are opening up again.

I mean, it's just fortuitous. I mean, I didn't plan to have two movies in the same year, but then neither did Ron and Russell. The funny thing about it, Ron and Russell have another film coming out this summer as well. So it's just remarkable. And when you see the movie, you see that they have the sort of the B plot of the movie is their failed

movie aspirations where in the seventies, they nearly had a film with Jack Tatty in the eighties. They nearly had a film with Tim Burton and neither of them came together. And particularly with the Tim Burton one, they kind of sort of like wasted six years of being sparks to sort of hold out for this movie that never happened. And then lo and behold, in the year 2021,

50 years after their first album, they have my feature documentary and they wrote a Leos Characters film, Annette, with Adam Driver and Marion Coutillard, which is the opening film at the Cannes Film Festival this year. And it's written by Sparks, which is absolutely wild. So, I mean, they had a thing in the LA Times movie preview the other day, like there was 21 films and two of them were Sparks related.

And Ron and Russell tweeted, two out of 12 ain't bad. I was like, no, it's not. No, I can't wait. I cannot wait to see Annette. And and I will say you have two films coming out this year. And also you had a re-release, Edgar. It's it's pretty it's pretty massive. The Sparks Brothers.

If cinemas die a death, nobody can say i didn't do my do your part you know i'm excited because the sparks movie will be the first movie i see in a theater since cats yeah quite a palate cleanser i cannot believe that you went out on cats yeah that's almost like isn't that terrible perfect it's the perfect movie to see as the last movie, because then you don't miss movies so much. It completely killed my taste for going to the movie theater. Yeah, that was the last one I saw in the theater. It's a real bummer. Mine was Rocket Man, I think.

Oh, that's a good one. And that was a good one. And I actually saw it a couple of times. Me too! I saw Rocket Man in the theater like four times. But I'm like, I love Elton John. So I just, yeah. But then unfortunately, yeah, I went out on Cats. Yeah.

Oh, well. You've all had a chance to watch a lot of movies, I'm sure, over this past year. And we do a segment on the show now called Recommendation Nation, where I ask each one of you to just recommend a movie that you're passionate about. Just one movie that, you know, kind of like the movie you'd say to somebody that, you know, you don't know anything about them, but you, you just know they're probably going to like it just because it's such a, you think it's such a great movie. Let's start with Edgar. Now, is this something we've watched in lockdown?

No, it doesn't. It could be any movie from any time. The idea is just to recommend something that my listeners can specifically check out. Well, I feel like there are certain movies where like, if somebody hasn't seen it i'll kind of like strong arm them into watching it pretty quickly into knowing me like so i'm sure we all have those movies so let me go for i mean this is something that i'm sure everybody on this podcast has seen but not everybody has seen this movie uh let's go for brian de palma's phantom of the

paradise it's like if if you really want it like i'm not sure i can be friends with you if you hate it yeah yeah no that's a that's a tough one um yeah that was i think it's one of the first films i'd watch with my wife and she had already seen it and it was you know it's a um yeah that's one of the's the important film. It's in the top 10 important films. I think. If I was on a speed date and the person happened to mention in that 15 minutes, which is, it would be unlikely that it will come up. But if you say I was speed dating and I've never been speed dating, but in that 15 minutes, somehow they mentioned apropos of nothing.

Oh, I hate Phantom of the Paradise nothing oh i hate phantom of the paradise i would be looking out of the window immediately yeah i think you i think you at that point would have the right even though it's speed dating to just just hit the table wrap it up the table and let's wrap this up goodbye see you later idiot no appreciation for paul williams you're a bad human i did see somebody um it's funny because daft punk recently split up after eight years of not doing anything but somebody very brilliantly in on the last daft punk album is that amazing song uh sung and co-written by paul williams called touch and daft punk and massive phantom of the paradise fans and they basically wrote a song on that last album that was like the like a missing song from phantom of the paradise

that makes so much sense yeah and then somebody if you look up on the internet somebody cut together a video when daft punk broke up called Daft Phantom, where they cut that song to footage from the film. And it was so perfect that like, I, I actually, this is me, this is my humble brag now, but I emailed it to Thomas Bang out of from Daft Punk and Paul Williams said, check this out. And they were both like, Whoa, that's so cool. Even though it's breaking a lot of copyright laws by cutting one film to our song, they both like loved it. So if you're a Phantom of the Paris fan

or a Daft Punk fan, find that video online called Daft Phantom. It was really great. Yeah. All right. That's awesome. He started us off good, Jake. What do you think? What's your recommendation? Okay, so my recommendation, you know, it's been a pandemic. We've all been stuck in the house and, you know, we probably want to get out. We want to get out to the movies. So my recommendation is a true recommendation

is a movie called Love Exposure, which is got a running time of three hours and 57 minutes and is directed. I have one one one question really briefly at that point. Why not go the extra three minutes? You know, you'll have to ask the director, Sean Siono, whose work I have become familiar with in the last year or two. I have become familiar with in the last year or two, and he is brilliant. But love exposure is a tremendous film. If you're looking for a very, very long film.

It's tremendously long. Tremendously, tremendously long, but it is quite beautiful. Love exposure and, and any show, any Shonsono film, really. He's also got a TV series on Amazon that seems to have cost a fortune called Tokyo Vampire Hotel. Might not be for everybody, but it is certainly for me. But that's my recommendation.

A really, really beautiful film okay what is um what is tokyo vampire hotel about oh i i don't even know where it is uh it is about a vampire hotel in tokyo but really edgar that is that would be reductive in explaining what it's about um but it's got a lot of it's got a lot of primary colors and a lot of blood um why I just want to say like I like that's a good time because one of my pet hates usually is like there's something that happened in the last like 15 years where comedies just became like uh the title just one word describing what's happening or what's in it. Bridesmaids, neighbors.

Where did that kind of thing come from? Like titles just went out the window and they just described exactly what's happening. There's tons of them. I can only think of two. Please help me out. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Tokyo Vampire Hotel

does not begin to describe what this show is about. But you are, yeah, there's probably a movie coming out called Romantic Comedy very soon. Yeah, I think

Actually, that's my suggestion. Did they really make a movie? There is one with Dudley Moore Am I right? Is there a film called Romantic Comedy? No, that's called Arthur 2 on the Rocks No, there is a film called Romantic Comedy No, it's Romantically Yours No, that's Unfaithfully Yours

You know what? There is a movie called Romantic Comedy with Dudley Moore, you're right Oh, okay Did you just look it up, Jake? unfaithful of yours. You know what? There is a movie called Romantic Comedy with Dudley Moore. You're right. Did you just look it up, Jake? No, I just swear that it is right. I looked it up. Romantic Comedy, 1983, Dudley Moore

and Mary Steenburgen. I wasn't kidding. Yep. No, he was right. That's real. Yeah. But please don't look stuff up because then that makes no no i'm gonna turn my phone off at this point sorry but um when they had the board meeting for uh the dudley moore film like um what what where was that on the list of titles romantic comedy it's like they got the genre and the title of the film mixed up there was a mix-up and then it's just like oh shit we already made the graphics

yeah yeah it's just there's so many like i swear like most of the movies that dudley moore is in like the title is the person's name you know like arthur and uh nicky and maude and probably some others. That's the famous. His famous character, 10, when he played the number 10. He was the best. April, what's your recommendation? Well, mine technically, I don't know if this counts as a movie. I was just thinking since we're talking about music documentaries,

it also maybe doesn't count as a documentary, but Erg, yeah i watch it like once a month i mean it's just as far like edgar was saying in his movie this is kind of my thing of like if anyone's like what kind of music do you like i'm just like watch this dvd because it's this is this is explains everything totally it's like the police echo and the bunny Oingo Boingo. If you haven't seen it, I think it's from 1981. 1980, 81. It's just a compilation of live performances of everyone at that time. That was good. It's like The Cramps, Au Pairs, Devo, Gang of Four. What's it called?

XTC. Gary Neiman. Gary Neiman. Class No Meat, yeah. Yeah. It's called Urga Music War. It's U-R-G-H. U-G-R-H, Urg?

Yeah. U-R-G-H exclamation point, a music war. Yes. Yeah. Urga Music War. And there's a companion 2LP set. And it's available again, I think through the warner archive you can stream it it was not available for many years and what is amazing is apparently there's hours and hours of

other extra footage um that exists and that hopefully you know can come out i mean it's a music rights nightmare but there is this footage that miles copeland made it um yeah who's irs and uh related to stewart copeland of the police and there's even more erga music war that we could get at some point yeah it's amazing i mean everything on it rules but there's especially my favorite song on it is valium by this band band i'm doing air quotes called invisible sex because no one knows who they are I've done so much research because the song totally rules and the band performs it all in like basically hazmat suits and you can't see any of their face you don't know who

it's I think it's people from like I think it might be somebody from the au pairs I don't it's like I think it's other bands that were on stage at that venue that night, but no one has come forward. No one has come forward and been like, I'm the singer. I'm the guitarist. I wrote that song, which is so interesting to me because even deep dives on the internet, I cannot figure out who was in this band for this one time performance. And then they never performed again. I feel your documentary debut.

Yeah. I'm going documentary debut coming on. Yeah. I'm going to hunt them down. I just wanted to point out the irony is the original title of that Dudley Moore and Mary Steele Bergen film was A Romantic Comedy. It's Doug Love's New Wave. All right. Thanks, everybody, for visiting Recommendation Nation. We're going to take our first break and we will be right back.

We're back and it's time for some games. And in honor of the Sparks Brothers, I want to play the game we play on the show a lot called ABCD's Nuts. But today we are going to spell Sparks Brothers. So the idea is that I'm going to tell you a letter in the title Sparks Brothers. We'll start with, we'll go alphabetical. We'll start with Jake. So I'll give you the first letter, which is S.

And you name any movie that begins with S and you stay in the game. But if you name the movie that I wrote down in advance, then you win the game automatically. So this thing could end fast. If you guys, if everybody, anybody figures out the theme, because there is a theme to all of the answers to all of these letters. All right. I'm going to, I'm going to take a shot. So Jake gets the very first one,

name a movie that begins with the letter S Scott Pilgrim versus the world. That would have been the perfect thing to me to write down because, of course, I love that movie. But it wouldn't fit into the theme that I have devised because what I wrote down was stop making sense. Now, the next letter is P. And that goes to April. Name any movie that begins with p or a movie you think fits the theme but begins with p oh my god i'm so bad at things like this um i'm not good at timed things a movie that starts with p i don't know Somebody can take my turn.

Panic room. There you go. That's where you are now. I am so bad at things like this. Oh, well, that's okay, because it's just the first one that comes into your mind. Because also, this game is just a warm-up. The next game really matters, and it's much harder um pavarotti ah all right the p that i picked the next letter is a adversity if you could end this thing right now oh so i got oh i see i've got a thing um see i had an a movie but like i need I need to guess the one that you are

and yours are all music related. So what's it? Oh, my God. What is a music film starting with A? God damn it. I don't know. I'm going to go. I'm going to go with arachnophobia, which is not what you have written down. No, it's not. Have you heard of a band called Anvil yeah oh my god of course uh what

what i didn't write down the full title though what was did it have more words after anvil it's like anvil the band named anvil i think it was anvil the story of anvil yeah the story of Anvil, that's right. Yeah, okay. The next letter is R and it goes to Jake. I'm going to say the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I love it. Great answer. But not what I wrote down. I wrote down Rolling Thunder Review. Okay.

All right, now I'm locked in. Now you're starting to get it. K goes to april oh um uh kiss kiss bang bang another great one but i wrote kurt and courtney yeah first you did sorry i gotta ask for you edgar you could do this oh s for a music film oh my god this is really gonna annoy me s for a music film sign of the times that's a great one but not the one i wrote down i wrote down searching for sugar man ah god damn it

he be to jake um to Jake? I'm going to cheat here for timing purposes. Bob Dylan's Don't Look Back. Why is that cheating? Because I think the film was just called Don't Look Back, a film by D.A. Pennebaker, but that's my final answer, Doug.

Okay, because I wrote down Bob Dylan, Don't Look Back. Yeah! You did? Oh, damn! final answer doug okay because i because i wrote down bob dylan don't look back yeah you did oh what an honor um yeah there's a great film there's a lot of i was able to get every letter there's some documentary or more document music documentaries that fall under every letter there's some documentary or more document music documentaries that fall under every letter coming up later. And this would have been a Beyonce's homecoming made it in here. Rammstein in America. That's that film is always on the tip of my tongue. Yeah. Did you, did you watch that Doug? I've never seen it, no. But I just heard yesterday on the radio,

and I had just written this down, and then I heard on the radio, Rammstein coming to the Los Angeles Forum. They're playing somewhere in LA soon. I totally forgot they existed. I gotta get my tickets, man. They're back. They are back.

Well, that was great, Jake. You did what I was hoping somebody would do. You all love music and documentaries and you win the opportunity to go first in our next game. And we'll do that right after this break. We'll be right back. We're back. And I want to quickly I'd be remiss if i didn't mention we did touch on it briefly that edgar has uh his other film coming out this year the next narrative feature last night in soho is all the posters and stuff say october is there is there a specific date or is it well in the in the u.s it's october the 22nd i think it's because in the uk it's

it's like one week later so to avoid confusion we just said october and also nobody really quite knows what's going to happen this year so may as well just keep it just a tiny bit vague yeah yes definitely write it down your calendar right now uh here in the States, June 22, but do it in pencil. Definitely coming out in October. Nice trailer, Edgar, by the way. Thank you. Yeah, that was exciting. Yeah.

Well, you know, I'm adverse to trailers until after I've seen the movie. Then I find them interesting. But I did, of course, at it and you know the visuals are all awesome and i love the you know that you use the song uh you know just slow down version of that song downtown sung sung by anya taylor joy in the trailer as well yeah yeah and that's a little bit of uh a little bit of debate on the internet because people did you people didn't think it was her. Yeah. It's her singing. Yeah. She sings it in the movie. Perfect. Yeah. That's great. Here we go. This next game is called rolling with it.

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to go first because we're going to play three rounds. And basically I'll name an actor, actress and Jake, you tell me how many movies of theirs you think you can name in 60 seconds. Okay. And then after you've made your announcement, your proclamation, then we'll go to April and she can either challenge you to do that or she can say, I can name this many movies and add as many more to the number as she wants. Then it goes to Edgar, et cetera.

So the idea is the person who gets the point is the one who either meets the challenge or makes the challenge if the person fails gets the point is the one who either meets the challenge or makes the challenge. If the person fails. Got it. And yeah. And first person to two points wins. Jake, how many movies can you name that have Paul McCartney in them? In 60 seconds? Yeah.

I'm going to go with seven. Ooh. That is a strong, very strong opening bid. The man didn't embrace acting the way some of the other Beatles did,

but he is in some movies. April, do you think that Jake could do that? Okay, so if I can't challenge, I just say. Yeah, you either roll with it and add some more. You say you could do eight, nine, ten more. No, I absolutely cannot. Yeah, so that puts you in a position where you just basically have to challenge Jake to do it. Yeah. Go ahead, Jake. All right. So here's how it goes. We're going to

set, we put 60 seconds on the clock and, um, I'm going to say a number after each movie you named just to, uh, you know, just to keep track. So take a breath in between each one and, uh, you know, just to keep track. So take a breath in between each one and it's clock ready. Yes, it is. Okay. Begin now. So we'll get it out of the way. Give my regards to broad street. I love it. That's one help to a hard day's night. Help. Two. A Hard Day's Night.

Three. Then I believe, let me think here, Paul McCartney, seven was a high number. He did not embrace acting. Wings Span, which was a theatrical concert film. What's that, four? Wings Span, which was a theatrical concert film. What's that, four? Yeah. I'll give you that one because you're not going to make it.

Does he have a cameo in Spies Like Us? I don't think so. No, in the movie. Not a movie? Okay. Obviously, Let It Be. Yes. That's five. And at the end of Yellow Submarine.

That's time. Six, and you're out of time. Magical Mystery Tour. Stupid. Magical Mystery Tour was a TV movie, so it doesn't count. That was a TV movie. It doesn't count. Although, released theatrically in the States by new york cinema i would have given you i would have given you eat the rich and uh parts of the caribbean dead men

tell no tales rich right basically what about eight days a week because of all the documentary he's in that yeah i guess i guess a documentary that follows the beatles that that would certainly count yeah i would say that was that was why i went to seven because i was i was including some Yeah, I guess a documentary that follows the Beatles, that would certainly count. Yeah, that was why I went to seven, because I was including some of the documentary films, but I lost. You got close, though. Yeah, I did. I feel good. Good show. You did get a lot closer than I thought.

Yeah, and it was also just confident and just well-paced. You didn't panic. And, I mean, just opening with... I didn't know he was in Pirates of the Caribbean, but I didn't think I saw the last two. I know Keith Richards is in one, but I didn't know Paul McCartney was too. Yeah, I didn't know that either,

but I also gave up. I was like, I get the idea. I get it. I think sometimes IMDB will just put somebody on the list as having been in something just because they saw it. Like especially this last year. I sat next to him in the theater. Yeah, if you see a movie in a theater, you're in the credits.

Okay, so April got one point, and Edgar has control now because he was shut out. That last round didn't even get to participate and that's just not right so we'll start with Edgar and then it comes back to switch the order around it comes back to April next but Edgar gets to start an opening bid how many movies can you name

that have Isabella Rossellini in them yeah um Rossellini in them yeah um um uh let's say oh my

god that's tougher than I think actually it is it is I'm gonna say like I could think of um oh my god I mean I know three for sure. Let's make it difficult and say four. Yeah, you might think of another one by the time,

if it gets, if you get challenged, but let's go to April. I love that April could win this whole thing just by- Just by being- Challenging. Completely non-competitive because i'm just like i trust you go ahead um what did uh yeah edgar said four so you'd have to say five or more or just challenge him to do it i i think he can do it i think he's gonna think of four but yeah i'm gonna i think he can do two. Go ahead. Okay, I'll get the... This is going to be agonizing, so let me know when the clock starts.

Okay, the clock is ready. Go. So, Blue Velvet. That's one. Wild at Heart. That's two. Death Becomes Her. Three. You're killing this. Now, what's the fourth one? Ha ha ha ha ha! Ah one ah shit um okay a fourth film isabella rossolini um oh god um go back go back to the 80s

go back to the 80s yes i um wait wait wait wait wait isabella rossolini i should i i'm floundering. I'm floundering. In the 80s. Give me a clue, Jake. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, wait. Okay, I got it. Oh, God, what is that film called? Tough Guys Don't Dance. Yeah. Wow. You guys speak like a special language with each other was that cheating that jay was that really that was a quote from that movie yeah it's right ryan o'neill has a famously

bonkers life i've never seen the film but i've seen that clip of ryan o'neill it's norman mailer's only movie right as a director norman mailer directed this movie and Ryan O'Neill just has a very, it's you can just type in Ryan O'Neill, um, tough guys don't dance on YouTube. It will pop up. It is just a very interesting line read. Very, very interesting line read from Ryan O'Neill. Yeah. That's the only bit of that film. So that's the thing is I I've seen that now, did I cheat there by getting Jake to give me a lifeline? I'll take it.

If I, if I, if I, if I, if I cheated and I, that was like invalid, I'll accept it. I feel like it was, I feel like it was, yeah, I feel like there was some, some cheating going on there, but also it's against one of your competitors. And also I feel like April doesn't want to win this way. So I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to go ahead and give you the point Edgar. And then, uh, but we're going to switch it up now. And Jake gets to go first this on this third round. Uh,

and, um, the actress's name is Carol Kane. Carol Kane. Okay. Films. Yeah, don't go trying to say taxi. No, yeah, no.

I would never. I would never. Let me... Wait, am I not supposed to have this one? No, I'm supposed to pick my number of how many Carol Kane films I can... Films. Films. I'm going to be conservative

and say three. Okay. April? I can think of three right now off the top of my head, and I'm not that great at having a good memory. So I'm going to say, I bet you could do five. You could do five? Oh, I'm supposed to say i can do more

i think i could do five okay we go to edgar this is a this is a competitive round we got everybody involved wow okay so i'm as a brit and carol kane is not maybe his biggest thing in the uk i'm going to challenge april to name five Carol Kane movies. Oh, I love this. What an exciting finish. Thanks for being here, Jake. I can think of one, but that's it. April gets to name five Carol Kane movies.

Go ahead and go. All right. Well, two of them are the Addams Family movies because those are like two of my favorite movies of all time. So that counts, right? Yeah. What are they called adam's family adam's family values uh-huh uh the princess bride okay that's three uh she's in scrooge also another favorite yeah um i talked a big game about five didn't i oh you just need one more i need one more i need one more the adam family right out the gate i got clues for you can i can i do a jake and give you a yeah yeah please the call

is coming from inside the house uh i love that the one movie of hers the angry day was that yeah um why didn't i say four? I can't believe I said five. It's a stone's tune. I thought you were playing some wrap it up music. That's time. So close. I was too cocky. I got too cocky.

Jake, what was that clue supposed to be? It was supposed to be Jumpin' Jack Flash. And my clue was When a Stranger Calls. Yes. She's also from Inside the House. She was in Carnal Knowledge, Dog Day Afternoon, Annie Hall, The Last Detail,

The Muppet Movie. And Taxi. And Taxi. She was in Carnal Knowledge, Dog Day Afternoon, Annie Hall, The Last Detail, The Muppet Movie. Yeah. And Taxi. And Taxi. Television show Taxi. Television show Taxi. That's right. Did she make a special appearance in the Jimmy Fallon Queen Latifah Taxi?

They tried, but I think she did. Congratulations, Edgar. You are a winner today I'd like to thank Jake for giving me the little lifeline I appreciate that it's the only time ever somebody has helped me out by doing an impression of Ryan O'Neill

yeah that never helps anybody out well you guys I'm so glad we didn't have to go to a tiebreaker because it was going to be E.G. Marshall. Creep show, creep show. Creep show, creep show, creep show. Just pick three more. Dick Tracy. Oh, he was in that too?

Yeah, I think so. Isn't he under tons of makeup or am I wrong? Better off dead. No, I'm thinking of E.G. Daly. Yeah. I've got three E.G. Marshalls. That's all I need in my life is 12 Angry Men, Creepshow, and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

Sure. That's his career in a nutshell to me. But thank you to all of you for being here. Edgar, let's start with you let's go through let's plug all the stuff uh the Sparks Brothers is in theaters June 18th I was wrong about Dick Tracy I just had to say that before before Sam Levine is like sitting at home and stands up like Batman like sort of like like Bruce Wayne and puts the suit on is like, what? What can I plug? Well, Scott Pilgrim was in theaters.

And then in June the 18th, the Sparks Brothers is nationwide in the States. And then October the 22nd, let's just say October, October the 22nd, my next narrative film, Last Night in Soho comes out. And then that is enough films for me this year are you uh can you say if you're into you know working on anything else yet are you on in mostly in promotional mode tbd yeah

that's a real non-answer but yes i am i'm i'm hatching things but i'm also like just uh you know uh excited to get these two movies out yeah you're just sitting on some eggs right now yeah um april richardson yes as far as i am going it's not a lot it's why do i like this podcast.com is our podcast and I can't, we're only just now able to travel out of the UK. So I can't really do standup or anything yet. So that's it for me right now. All right. But that's the plan is you go, you you'll, you'll, uh, travel and do standup eventually. Yeah. Before the lockdown, I was actually doing standup still in the States. I was like going over to the States every other weekend, doing clubs and stuff,

but then lockdown happened and it's, I think more strict here than it is there. And so I'm only just now able, like next week, I'm going to go see my mom for the first time in a year. Oh, good. Good. Yeah. But then, yeah. So once that gets lifted, I'll be able to travel more and do more stand up. Great. Well, thank you for being here. And Jake Fogelness, you can sign up for Fogelness Plus. Yes. First of all, I'd like to plug Endless Development. I love Endless Development, being in development on projects, paid development, big fan fan but www.jake.army uh that is a real url uh go there there's a patreon and then also jake fogelness free episodes available wherever you get podcasts

well like i said thank you all uh very much for being here. Edgar Wright, April Richardson, and Jake Fogelmest. And just go to Douglovesmovies.com or the Douglovesmovies Twitter account for the slowly trickling in

live dates, stand-up, and Douglovesmovies. And as always yeah I thought maybe we could try again now it's time for Doug to watch another talkie eyes of gold his viewing prowess

makes him cocky there's no room in his heart for you cause Doug loves movies