Doug Loves Movies - James Bundtrock, Sean Jordan and Geoff Tate guest

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

Live from The Tacoma Comedy Club, Doug welcomes James Bundtrock, Sean Jordan and Geoff Tate  to the show.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Doug hates candy wrappers, screaming babies, sticky seeds with 50 acid popcorn kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see, cause Doug loves movies! Hey, hey, hey everybody! My name is Doug and I love movies! This is Doug Loves Movies. Yeah. Coming to you once again from the Tacoma Comedy Club in Tacoma, Washington. We're going to be talking about scary movies today because, yeah, because it's, get ready for this long run on sentence. It's Saturday, October 21st, 2023.

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No! Yeah! That's so funny. A guy tried to add again, because it's happened a few times. He tried to add buttfucker to the end of it, but another audience member said, No!

Another audience took my part when that happened. So thank you for that, nice lady. All right, prize bag, here it is. Fresh from, it came here from Los Angeles, got through airport security. The bag itself is a fun bag promoting a motion picture called The Binge that was on one of the streamers that I won't mention because we're striking against them right now.

And, yeah, and thanks for supporting the strike. But in the prize bag that says the name of the movie, The Binge on It, are the following items. Doug Loves Movies stickers, a Doug Benson pin, a original copy of, this is when we made the book version of the Marijuana Logs, a show that I co-created. We made the book version. They give you copies of what the book is going to look like and why do I need to hang on to those. But they do feel kind of collector's item-y,

so I brought one of those for somebody today. And then I stole a magazine from the hotel room. It's called Mosaic. Check it out. And the best thing, the reason you want to win this today is a really nice pair of little walkie-talkies. Yeah. If you go on a lot of cruise ships,

I always see couples on cruise ships have walkie-talkies so they can find each other because they turn their phones off because they don't want to pay for every text in international waters. Yeah, exactly. All right. That's in the prize bag. The bag that I just proceeded to break because I zipped it wrong and now the zipper's stuck. Okay. But anyway, I'll work on that.

Oh, there, I fixed it. Okay, so I've got two guests booked today, two very funny, great guests that are on the show all the time. And what we do on occasion is we find a third guest in the audience at the show. This is completely unplanned, but I'm going to gaze out at the show. This is completely unplanned, but I'm going to gaze out into the crowd, and if you could hold up your name tags,

anybody that brought one, that'll be very helpful for me in deciding who to pick. Oh, and put it down if you don't want to be picked to come up here. Yeah, so you've got to make the right call here. If you don't want to come up here, don't hold your sign up. But those of you who do, I'm going to pick three people who are going to come up and play a quick game. And the winner of that game is going to be a guest with my other two guests for the entire episode.

Would you like to do that? What's your name? Beta? Like alpha beta. B-E-T-A? B-A-Y-T-A. Oh, that makes sense. Beta, okay.

And you wrote, you made a name tag that says 28 days beta. 28 Doug's better. Even better. Even beta. So good work. Come on up here beta oh you're coming up the tough way I like it I guess there really aren't any stairs anywhere around here

so I'll help people up what's your name man Erica do you want to come up here are you into it what's your name tag say let's talk about that for a sec what? you don't have to come over here you just baked me some shut the fuck up cake so that of course doesn't have anything to do with movies really but you made it, you're Erica so you wrote team America like world police fuck yeah yeah you made it. You're Erica, so you wrote Team America. Like World Police. Fuck yeah.

And then you included a Seattle grown nug. And some Hi-Chew and some Hubba Bubba. Because I want to get as much shit in my teeth when I'm high as I possibly can. Well, that is absolutely beautiful. Thank you for making that.

And do you want to play? Alright come on up you got it all right she's taking care of it herself all right let's go over here what do we have over here what's the next most impressive name tag who actually wants to get up here what about you sir what's your say on it Sin City 2, a James to kill for? Sin City 2, a James to kill for? And you're James? Yes.

All right, let's go for it. Come on up, James. Let's do it. Oh, my God. We got three powerful players here today, I think. And James is resplendent in a pumpkin t-shirt or a pumpkin button-up even yeah that's like Halloween at Margaritaville rest in peace all right so are you all right Erica use your microphone voice yeah just hold it up there and talk into it yeah look at that you're a professional already well I don't eat it cuz you know

we got to use it for the whole show but if you're still hungry when it's over go ahead and eat the mic all right let's meet everybody individually and alphabetically maybe starting with beta hey beta hello hello do you want to give away your last name today oh sure it's marring m-a-r-i-n-g but if marring anyone who knows me is gonna know beta so it's a good thing we're doing this live mic check this her microphone is not sounding so great so if you could uh pop that up a little bit, I'd appreciate it. Okay. Oh, that's better.

That's better. Thanks, Doug. Thank you. Don't you feel like a professional comedian? I definitely do. Hey, this isn't on. I'm going to turn it on. Yeah.

It's classic. Some of us do this. Some of us tap it like that. I don't think that's right. I think Erica wanted to tap hers. But let's say hello to Erica, everybody. Hi, Erica. Hi, guys.

Thanks for having me. Oh, thank you for being here. And what do you want to tell us about yourself? I'm really excited to be here. That's good. What's your last name? Rules, R-U-L-Z. R-U-L-Z. Yeah, Erica rules everybody. I feel like I already lost. Like you rule. I've already lost.

There's the cider house and there's Erica. And they both rule. And finally, I already forgot your name. James. James! I did do it in alphabetical order. That worked out great. What's your last name, James? Buntrock. B as in dog. Okay, the three of you are just making shit up.

B-U-N what? B-U-N-D as in dog. Uh-huh. T-R-O-C-K. B-U-N-D-T-R-O-U-N-D as in dog? Uh-huh. T-R-O-C-K. B-U-N-D-T-R-O-U-C-K? No U. O-C-K. Butt rock.

Close enough. How's it pronounced? Bunt rock. Bunt rock, okay. I like bunt rock. It's like yacht rock, but for people who make pastries and cakes. Okay, I'm not going to say any of your last names again at this point, because I would just fuck them up. There's no reason to get into that.

And the game we're going to play with these three is called Purple Rain Man. Yes, yes. Beta's very excited for this game. Is it scary? Scary movies? And it's scary movies, but keep your mic close in case you need to talk into it. Got it. Because the first person with the correct answer

is our winner in this game. Could happen fast. Purple Rain Man is a mash-up movie title game. I've mashed up two horror movie titles into one title. And I will tell you the third bill of actors in each of those movies, the first part of the title and the second part of the title, then the second build, then first build, and at any point you can guess what you think the full mashup title will be. First person to say it who's on stage and says it correctly.

Or the first person on stage who hears somebody in the audience whisper it and they repeat it out loud into their microphone. That person will be the winner and you'll get to stay up here for the whole show today. Any questions? No questions. Okay okay here we go what movie mashup title would star a third build haley lou richardson and bill hader

Hader. Haley Lou Richardson and Bill Hader. You don't have to guess yet. If you don't have anything, no reason to say half of the title if it's half coming to you. Here are the second build people. Anya Taylor Joy

and James McAvoy. I didn't know it would rhyme like that. That's exciting. I heard somebody in the audience say something. I feel like people are figuring it out. Beta. Erica. James.

All right. These top people should really give it away. Speaking, James. All right. These top people should really give it away. Speaking of James, top build are James McAvoy. It's a James McAvoy double. And Jessica Chastain. So you need to mash up the title of two movies that star James McAvoy and Jessica Chastain. Beta might be close.

All right, I'm going to give more clues. Okay. Because I was worried this would happen. This is a tough game. Without saying the answer, does anybody in the audience think they know it? Yeah, okay. Got some haters out there. Some Bill haters. So third Bill, Haley Lou Richardson, you know, from that HBO show. And Bill Hader, also from that HBO show. White Lotus and Barry. And then Anya Taylor-Joy and James McAvoy. And then in the top slot, James McAvoy and Jessica Chastain.

And I've already told you it's two horror movies. The first half is personality disorder, and the second half is clown. Second half is clown? Clown. Split, chapter two? Split, chapter two is correct. Oh! Thank you so much, Beta and Erica, for coming up here.

Leave your microphones on your stools and enjoy the rest of the show. Both of your name tags are in play, of course, for potentially winning prizes since you're back out there. Thank you so much. Let's hear it for them one more time. Erica and Beta. It's a tough game. It's forced people to just get up here and do it on the spot is a lot, but you pulled it off, James Butt Rock.

I had the second one right away, but the James McAvoy one kept escaping me. Right, because you don't necessarily think of that as horror as much as he's just sort of got people captive. Which is horrifying. I was like, it's a sequel to Unbreakable, but I couldn't remember the name. Yeah, right. But then you eventually, you know it ends

in it, so that gets you there. Alright, well, one of our guests today is great at that game. We're not going to play it again, but he's really great at it,. We're not going to play it again, but he's really great at it, and the other guest is here too. Give it up, everybody, for Jeff Tate and Sean Jordan!

Yeah! Thanks! There's even a goddamn Tate sign out there floating around. That's crazy. Next level. Let's meet our guest individually, going alphabetically by first name. So that means it's him again. Jeff Tate, everybody.

Hello. Hello. Okay. it's him again Jeff Tate everybody hello hello okay yeah thank you thanks for having me how's it going Jeff good it's it's lovely to be in Tacoma yeah This is your first time setting foot in the Tacoma Comedy Club. That's correct. I've never been here before. It's very nice. And we're getting a little bit of that funky feedback from having too many mics close together on stage. That's why I come by

for a sound check. Because it's not your fault, Jeff. Yeah, it is. See, it's songs are super hot. That was loud, huh? Yeah, it is. See, Sean's is super hot. That was loud, huh? Yeah, yeah. So that's probably what is part of the issue is Sean's needs to come down a little bit maybe.

But I'm going to introduce him anyway. It's Sean Jordan, everybody! Yeah! What's happening? Yeah! Thanks. Got a one lady chant going for you over there. It's all I need.

I appreciate it. Yeah. How's it going, dude? Fantastic, man. Thank you. Thank you for having me. This is great. I'm excited.

This is the sign I always hit my head on when I'm here. There it is. Right. Because when you're doing stand up or just like now? That could be both. I'm pretty close to it. Yeah. I didn't realize it moves though.

It gives if you run into it, which is why it's probably good. I'm pretty wacky when I do stand-up, so I smash into it a lot. I've been here when you've performed and I look up at Statler and Waldorf over there and they usually do not approve. It was the only time they smiled.

You're wrong. They laughed the whole time I'm up here just cutting them up. They get it. That's one of my favorite things about the Tacoma Comedy Club is they make a no heckling announcement, and then they have a shrine to two of the most famous hecklers of all time. But at least they put them in the dark during the show. If they had a little light shining on them,

I'd be so fucking scared they were going to suddenly chime in. It is really dark over there, huh? Are they? Yeah, they're there. Hey, hey, hey. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, my God.

That was like a horror movie. Holy shit. That was like a jump scare in the middle of Doug Loves Movies. Just do that sometimes during the show. It's not my show, but, you know, that'd be fun. Oh, my goodness. And also joining us, first time guest everybody, give it up

for James Butrock! Thank you. I thought you said, fuck you. You said, I love you. I don't even know her. Get used to it, bud. This is the life. You know, it could have been somebody in the audience that's jealous that he came up here and got to be a guest.

So I was just going to yell fuck you at him the whole time. Every time his name comes up. Fuck you! Leave James alone. Where are you from, James? I'm from Olympia. Oh, okay. And you live there now?

Yes. So not too bad a trip here to Tacoma? Nope. And you listen to the podcast? Yes. So you think you know all the games and twists and stuff? Pretty well. Nice.

All right. Well, this is going to be quite a competition. I think two out of the three people up here have a really good chance of winning today. I'm the other one, aren't I? Well, no, James has never played before. You've played so many times that, yes, I think he could probably beat you. I'm going to have fun, though. Now the mic's back up there.

That's what you're here for. That's why you keep coming back is for the fun. I like to think that fun, though. Now the mic's back up there. That's what you're here for. That's why you keep coming back, is for the fun. I like to think that was a compliment. Yeah. I'm serious. Jeff is no fun at all. He's just a champion. Fuck you.

I thought you were leaning back. You're not. No. Well, there is a wall behind him that he's leaning on. I thought the chair was on two legs, and I was like, what a bold move. No. Bold move. Went into coma.

You just make bold moves. I noticed none of you were swinging your feet. What's up with that? We're grown-ups. This is great. See, that's why you're both here, because of that kind of thing. That'll happen throughout the show. Yeah, it's so fun.

I'm so excited for the games today. But first, before we get into that, people are watching horror movies this month, as we do. And I'm trying to watch one every day for the entire month. But I'd like each of you to recommend a scary movie today. We'll start with Jeff. What do you got? I don't watch that many scary movies. They're too scary.

But this is a great jumping off point for the discussion. Is how about a movie that you did watch that you found too scary or you know, or just right scary but not necessarily a horror movie. Like you just don't want to see people getting cut up and stuff, right? Right. You like a suspenseful movie. I like a suspenseful movie. You like an

exciting movie. Yes. Thriller. I'm a big fan of thrillers. Oh, I thought you were going to say the music video thriller. Nope, too scary. Scary as fuck. Okay, so you like thrillers but not chillers. No, no.

There's a monster in Thriller and some zombies. You like to shiver but not shudder. Yes. I love it. All right, so give us an example of a movie you think is scary. That's good. You know, a good movie that frightens you for some reason. You know what movie I really enjoyed was that Bobcat movie, Willow Creek. Oh, okay.

I like that, yeah. That's a great answer. I don't think I've seen it. It's like a serial killer kind of deal. It's people go out to find Bigfoot and they find more than they bargained for. Uh-oh. Like a bag of money?

Yes, a bag of money. They find a bag of money. I think Bobcat's always been a Bigfoot fan and it makes sense because their names are so similar. Yes. Bigfoot Goldthwait. Yeah. Bobfoot Catthwait.

You can't switch them because Bigfoot's just Bigfoot. He doesn't have a surname or a last name. That works. Alright, but that's a great example of a movie a lot of people might be overlooked. I didn't remember that it was about

Bigfoot, so now I'm extra excited. Let's go to James. What do you think? Do you have a scary movie to recommend? I guess I'll go with my old favorite one, the old creepy one called Legend of Hell House with Roddy McDowell. Whoa! Old school, because isn't that something they remade recently?

I'm not sure. Was that like, I think they made it into a TV series or something, but there's so many titles that are like that, like Hell House. It's like the OG movie where the scientist types go investigate a haunted house, and then, of course, spooky stuff happens. Yeah, they don't have that fancy equipment like in Ghostbusters. Hell House is what they call those haunted houses that churches put on

where people walk through and people are smoking and getting abortions, and they're like, ah, it's so scary. We did one of those in Hollywood it was called Hollywood Hell House and like lots of celebrities like participated and stuff and there was the scene I was in one year was the school

shooting scene and they took a real script from like one of these real hell houses out in the Bible Belt. And they really figured out a way to make somehow it's your fault that there's school shootings. When you're walking through this, if you don't find God, there might be more school shootings. It's crazy. What was your role?

A panicked student. Or a shot dead student, I think. I think we all got shot by somebody as the people passed through that room. They have all these different tableaus. Holy buckets, that's a bummer. It is, because also when you keep acting it out over and over again, it's a little traumatizing, to be honest with you. I'll just stay kicking my feet up here.

Oh, thanks. Yeah, stay young, Goldie boy. Stay golden, Pony boy. You can say stay young, Golden boy. I like that one. That's a fun one. You guys call me Golden boy from now on? Wouldn't that be fun?

That's not fun, Jeff, the whole way home? Whatever you want, GB. Okay, so what did you say, James? The Legend of Hell House, is that what it's called? Legend of Hell House. Legend of Hell House. What old school actors in that one is that like? Roddy McDowell. Oh, Roddy McDowell.

Roddy, Roddy McDowell. You remember the scene in Scary Movie where Anna Faris is fighting the cat? Yeah. They're making fun of Hell House. That's from that movie. Oh, okay. Whoa, whoa. I haven't seen it. Now you have.

James. Scary Movie or Hell House? Either one. Scary movie. It's right there in the title. It's not what I'm into. I think you would like scary movie and this Hell House movie. I don't think either of them are scary.

Creepy maybe. In the case of the scary movies got good around I think, creepy maybe, or, you know. In the case of, the scary movies got good around, I think, three and four are the two best ones. Two's the ones with Chris Elliott, right? That one's hilarious. I think he's in a lot of them. I think he pops up in more than one, yeah. Anyway,

Sean, what's your scary movie recommendation today? I feel so pedestrian, I apologize, but I've never watched A Nightmare on Elm Street, so I watched it like a week ago, and it fucking rules. You're blowing people's minds with that. They're all on max, and I don't think I've ever seen, I ever actually

watched any of those or the Friday the 13th, so we watched like five of the Friday the 13th. I didn't like them one bit, and then I didn't. They're boring. I mean, whatever, I get it, but then we switched over to Nightmare on Elm Street, I was like, now this is tight. It's hilarious, it's super gnarly and gross

and like slashery, and it's got an actual plot, you give a shit. So I'd never seen it before, so I was very excited. Give it a watch. Are you going to continue with Freddy and watch, you know, Nightmare 2, Freddy's Nightmare? Because it takes an immediate departure, you may have noticed. What?

It's quite different from the first one. Oh. Uh-oh. Yeah. Now I feel like an asshole because I don't really know how. Well, it's super gay coded for one thing. Have you noticed that? I don't really see things like that.

I'm just kind of like, this is dope. No, everybody points to it now as a real breakthrough in gay horror cinema. Because it is really gay. I feel so dumb. When people have actual solid opinions and notes on movies, I'm like, oh yeah, I didn't notice. I was stoked, you know? Yes. Yes. on movies I'm like oh yeah I didn't notice I was just so stoked you know yes but another in another way that it departs and that people got mad maybe they were course corrected by part three is that Freddie just shows up and you

know like not just in dreams like they change they change the rules a little bit a pool party all of a sudden. Yeah, he does. I'm going to kill all these kids at the pool party. Yeah, yeah. And they're not all dreaming it. Right. Or are they? Oh, it's trippy. All right.

So we've got the original OG in Nightmare on Elm Street and Willow Creek from our friend Bob Cat Goldthwait and The Legend of Hell House starring our friend Roddy McDowell. And those are three terrific choices. We've got to take a commercial break, and we're going to decide who the three of you are playing for during that break. We'll be right back. We're back!

We did some lovely name tag picking during the break. Jeff went with a name tag that says Tate on one side and Rach Hellboy on the other. And Sean chose one that had part of his face on it. And it's Jeanette's body and James is a cheater. Because he picked his wife

and not my wife his wife and her name tag is an action figure of John Cusack holding up a boombox in Say Anything. So hers is, thanks to the magic of Post-It Note, she turned it into Katie Anything. And I admire that move, playing for and with the wife

because you know you'll get to share all the amazing prizes if you pull it off today and our first game that we're gonna play is one of my favorites the guess maybe not so much it's called live die repeat I'll say the title of a alleged existing motion picture and I'll say it slowly one word at a time the first person on stage who could repeat back the entire title correctly and all in one breath, you know, you can't stop and start. You've got to go beginning to end all the way through. And the first person who does it is the winner of the game. You've heard this one before, right, James?

Yes. Okay. Sean? Is the winner of the game you've heard this one before right James? Yes, okay Shawn sure have but The mind games are already happening You played it before? Sean? Yeah, I think so. It's been a minute. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff's definitely done it. Yeah, Jeff sucks, dude. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Getting in his kitchen. You're back, bro. All right, here we go. I love you. Ginger.

Ginger Deadman. Ginger. Ginger Deadman 2. Ginger. Dead. Man. Ginger Dead Man 3. Ginger Dead Man 3. Ginger Dead Man 3. Ginger Dead Man 3, Sin of Man on a Killing Spree.

Ginger Dead Man 3, Saturday. ginger three Saturday Saturday night Cleaver You get the pun train going and they fucking... I mean, a man who knows his Ginger Dead Man subtitles. How many of the Ginger Dead Man films have you seen? Apparently I've seen three of them. Or one of them. And it was the third one. I mean, they all have really fun... I forget what number... Do you know what number two is?

The full title? Gingerbread Man 2. Ginger Dead Man 2. Does anybody know it? Electric Boogaloo. No, not Electric Boogaloo. But anyway, it's got a funny one too. Kind of like Saturday Night Cleaver.

It's another pun. Cleaver to Cleaver? No, it's got a funny one too. Kind of like Saturday Night Cleaver. It's another pun. No, it's not a cleaver pun. It's a pun about... Saturday Knife Fever? No, Sean! That was alright. Saturday Knife Fever. It was a play. No, it was good. I'm just telling you it's incorrect.

But you won the game no matter what. You're our winner. Uh-oh. telling you it's incorrect but you won the game no matter what you're our winner you know what that means I do means you get to go first in our next game and we'll start with you and then we'll go to Jeff and then we'll go to James in a game that I call build a title and I always want to ask to play it I get scared because I don't want to be a dick but this is well as I might have told you backstage at a show before part of the reason you don't ask me to play it is because I am reticent to bring it out when any of the guests might not know how to play because it's kind of a

hard game to wrap your head around so we don't bring it out unless it's a all experts panel like we have today and it still could end up being confusing but the idea is for anyone who's not familiar with this game I I'm going to give them a starter title. Sean's going to go first. He's going to add a movie to the front end of the title or the back end of the title. Very similar to that long run-on thing I did at the beginning in Purple Rain Man, is that

it just has to be a sound or a word that is in both titles, the end of one and the beginning of the next. You could play strategically and do blocker titles on the ends but you know that doesn't do anybody any good really because it's fun to get a nice long title just for the hell of it and the winner only gets to go first in our final game so it's not not too much pressure Sean are you ready to start us off? I am, yes. The film we're going to begin with is Day of the Dead. So we need a movie that ends in day

or begins with dead. Or ed. Day of the Dead Man on Campus? Yeah, sure. Is that shitty? Might be. I didn't mean for it to be. It wouldn't be a bad one if there was more words in the title, us,

but unfortunately there isn't. It just ends there. So you wouldn't necessarily be adding anything. Jeff? Come on, make it not shitty what I did. How can I? That's the way to do it, I bet. The longest day of the dead man on campus.

Okay, we dropped the, yes, correct. We dropped the thes, correct. We dropped the the's and the a's at the beginnings to make this work. So we've got longest day of the dead man on campus. James. I'm going to

see if this works. Longest day of the dead man on campus in boots. Campus in boots. I like it. Yeah! Yeah! James! James! James! James! James! James!

James! James! James! At first I really thought you were just oh, it's still Chantain. Why not? Took me a second to realize that the power has shifted to James. Puss in boots. That is really good. I don't know what we're going to do with boots.

But at least we managed to get one more title out of that. But now we're back to Sean how do you do that just broke it down man He knows a puss when he sees one. Take it easy. He may or may not be married to this lady. I don't know.

Is there like a Bootsy Collins documentary that I could do? I know, right? That would have been so great. But yeah, Boots is a tough one. We might have really screwed ourselves right away. I got one. Oh, shit. We didn't ask you yet. No, just take as much time as you need, I guess.

I belong. Right? I mean, that's the name of a song. I can't do it. Yeah, I won't stall anymore. I can't do it. I'm so sorry that you were excited to play this game. I was, and I fucked it.

It was me. It's my fault. We could play it in the car on the way home. Touch me. What? I said don't touch me. Okay. No, I'm kidding.

No, no. I don't want to now. So here's what Sean meant to say. The longest day of the dead man on campus in boots. The last wish. Oh, nice. Nice. Were you going to do that, James, if it got to you? I was not.

You didn't think of that. You're the one that came. You masterminded Puss in Boots. What is The Last Wish? Is that like the Puss in Boots sequel or something? Yeah. It's a little colon and then more words. I've heard of lore.

Yeah, so nice. All right, so James, you could start with wish or ish or end with long. Longest day of the dead man on campus in boots, the last wish master. Wish master! Oh, now we're really, boy Sean, you're gonna miss out here, cause this one might keep going now. It feels like it, doesn't it? This one got revived! I thought it was dead! These geniuses! I'm happy it's not, I like to listen as much as I like to play so this is fun

if I had a lawn gnome I'd try to like you know make it set it up electronically I'd make it animated and it would do what you're doing yeah just stroke its beard cause lawn gnomes would be even more scary if you thought they were thinking about something

that's why i do it it's so intimidating when people are like that guy's thinking he's thinking what's he thinking about yeah panda express not telling us the the longest day of the dead man on campus in boots the last wish master minator to judgment day. That's what I was talking about. Because I knew that it opened a door to that. Because that's even in the thing I do in the opening is that when a movie ends in T.E.R., you're good.

Mass Terminator 2 Judgment Day. Holy shit, day is back. Day is returned. James, what do you want to do with this? Longest day of the dead man on campus and boots. The last wish master Terminator 2 judgment daylight. Daylight. Whoa.

All right. Nice. Daylight was sliced alone, stuck in a tunnel. Yes. Both ends collapse. What are the odds? Yeah. But also, why the spoiler are the odds? Yeah. But also,

why the spoiler in the title? I know. It's so dumb. They should have left it as a cliffhanger. Yes! Yes! Yes! What I wouldn't give right now... I need a big eraser.

All right. Where are we? What? Jeff? It's me. I have to think of a movie that starts with the word light. Or I'd. Or I'd.

You know, like is there a movie that starts with the word itinerary? Not yet. Itinerary. Okay. Here we go. So. Oh, yes. Fuck yeah. Oh, yes. Fuck yeah.

The longest day of the dead man on campus and boots the last wish mass terminator to judgment day lightning jack. Oh. Oh, man. It's frustrating. It's just going to keep going and going. You're just going to sit there in the middle, and we're going to run out of time,

and I'm going to pick a winner. Did we die on the way here? Am I in purgatory? I didn't die. I'm still kicking. Oh, crap. We're all just in James' weird dream. His wife's going to turn on that boombox

and wake him up out of it. I don't think it's weird. I'm only kind of married in my dreams, too, so I get it. Okay. Did you think of anything, James? I'm coming up blank so far. Jack something. Ack. Ack, ack, ack.

That's what they should have called Mars Attacks. Ack, ack. Um, ooh. You can tag me in if you want, bud. what they should have called Mars attacks. Ack, ack. Um... Oh. You can tag me in if you want, but... Is that how this works? You wanna... You wanna tag?

No, I can't. I think that'd be fun. So do I. Yeah, do you want him to fill in for you for one round? Sure. Okay, Sean, what do you got? We can tag team Jeff. Okay, you got to say the whole thing, and then I'll say. I can't remember the whole thing right now.

Longest day of the dead man on campus in boots, the last wish master minator to judgment daylight, Lightning Jack. E. Brown. Lightning Jack. E. Brown. It's fun to bend the rules a little bit, you know? It's a good time. Yeah, that was fun, but you're back out, Jeff.

I wonder what long gnomes would be thinking about. I can tell you that one of them is thinking about what the fuck starts with the word brown. That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, that's an interesting one. Might not be easy to come up with something. James might have one. Oh, somebody in the audience has one no he lost a contact I don't know how that jokes's going to play for the listeners.

Because they didn't hear him say, I got it. They just heard me say, that guy thinks he has it. I guess it'll work. All right. Brown versus the Board of Education. Yeah, that's all I can think of is Brown versus Board of Education. They might have made that into a movie. Yeah, I'm sure they did,

but I think I'm out. I think I'm out. I think you won. You don't have any movies that end in long? I can't think of one. I can think of... Ones where long is in the word somewhere, like Bingo Long and the Traveling All-Stars the word somewhere like bingo long in the traveling all stars

yeah we belong to the night is the name of the movie that's right at long last love but let's go back over to James see if he has one last one to add um I'm not even sure if it's a movie

you can't even use part of brown because what word begins with owne? Owne. Ounce. Rowne. Ounce. Rowne? I don't know if this is a movie or a band, but Longest Day of the Dead, Man on Campus and Boots,

The Last Wishmaster, Terminator 2, Judgment Day, Lightning, Jack, Lightning Jack Brownsville Station? That's the name of a band. I just thought of one too. God damn it. Browners? Browners, yeah. Let's add it. Yeah.

Hey! Jackie Browners. I just like that. Jackie Browners. Browners is a different movie than Rounders for sure. Poop stuff? I don't know. Alright. 42 on Saturday. Poop stuff? I don't know. All right. 42 on Saturday.

Could be about people who bake brownies. It could be. Maybe it is. It isn't. It's about poop. It's about poop. Just got out of prison and I want to win all the poop in the world. Right. I'm going all in. His name's Poopworm.

I pulled it out on the river. Don't splash the pot. Oh man, you got it all over the nuts. Splash the pot! Oh man, you got it all over the nuts. Splash the pot. Alright, card players. I guess we're gonna call it. And the title we've ended up on is The Longest Day of the Dead Man on Camp Puss in Boots.

The Last Wishmaster... Minator. Master Minator 2, Judgment Day, Lightning, Jackie Brown-ders. Yeah, that's it. But James is our winner on that one. Congratulations, James.

Thank you. Thanks to Sean for the assist. Sorry about the first answer. I apologize. Yeah, you went in there and you assisted him, Sean, so that worked out good for him. And we've got to take another break, but we will be right back after these words.

Woo! and we got to take another break but we will be right back after these words we're back we are back at James as running away with this thing today. It's very exciting. How are you feeling at this point, champ? I mean, you're not a champ yet, but how are you feeling about your wins so far today? I'm feeling good. I'm really nervous and my mouth is dry, but I'm surviving. Oh, shit! During that commercial break,

I intended to make sure everybody had beverages. Would you like a beverage, James? Yeah. Who are you waving to? Can I get the water from my table? The water from your table? That seems like... I don't know if we can work that out. Everybody had beverages. Would you like a beverage, James? Yeah. Who are you waving to? Can I get the water from my table? The water from your table? That seems like... I don't know if we could work that out.

That seems like it would be difficult to pull off. But yeah, there you go. But I would have gotten you a drink drink if you wanted one. Oh, I'm good. There you go. He's got his water. And there's a little stool right there to your left that you can put your drink on. No alcohol in the temple while you're competing.

I get it. Normally I'm shit-faced when I'm up here, so this is great. I'm the DD tonight. Hey! There he goes. Sean, Sean, Sean, Sean, yeah. The room is torn.

Holy cow. Are you getting trashed over there, Katie? Fuck yes, she says. You'll be married in no time. This is great. I think she's had four doubles, so eight drinks already. Well, now you're just airing her out.

That's pretty much. I don't know about all that. All right, James, you get to go first in our final game today. And then what order were we going in on that last one? It was going around that way, so we'll go the other way. So it's going to go James, then me me because i like to play along on this one then jeff and sean and that should give away what we're going to play it's called super last man stanton It's the Scream Queens edition, meaning that I am going to get most actresses have been in at least one horror movie. So it shouldn't be too difficult to make that work.

And we'll start with Beta. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to say, and no Jamie Lee Curtis. Because for two reasons. Because, you know, she is the absolute top screen queen, undeniably. She's already won that. And also, the people could just keep saying the word Halloween over and over again. Because now she's been in like seven Halloween movies.

It's kind of like we also did Neve Campbell recently and it was just like Scream, Scream 2, Scream 3, Scream 4, Scream 5. We're out. We thought of a few more. But anyway, anybody but Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm going to say Holly Hunter. I love Holly Hunter.

That's a great one. Excellent work. A lights matter. Who's playing for you? I wasn't chosen. Oh, your name tag wasn't chosen. What a waste of time this was. I was going gonna say something,

but I didn't want to be an asshole. No, I went back to like, oh yeah, earlier I was talking to her, she had a name tag, I picked it. So yeah, let's go to her. No, we gotta go to James. Let's go to your wife, Katie. Who's your favorite?

Drew Barrymore, that's a great one. All right. James is going? Drew Barrymore, that's a great one. Alright, James is going with Drew Barrymore. Alright, and Sean's name tag is Jennette's body. Jennette, what do you got for us? Sarah Michelle Gellar, I love it. And finally, Jeff's name tag, Rachel. Joan Cusack. Joan Cusack, I love it.

Oh this is great. This is absolutely perfect. This is an interesting crew. Yeah, it's an interesting group of names by, yelled out by interesting group of audience members and here's how it works for anybody who doesn't know we're gonna take turns naming movies that any of the three of them are in when any of their movies is said then it's out of the game for good and we're gonna go around so we can't think of any more but these three

dudes all have a lifeline in the person whose name tag they chose you can go to that person once for help and they're the ones that suggested the names so they should be pretty helpful but it depends on how deep into the game you wait before you use that power James you ready ready let me take a drink you reminded me me of how thirsty I am. What do you got? Scream. All right, now let's all remember that Drew Barrymore got killed immediately in Scream

and does not appear in any of the other Scream films as of yet. But maybe they'll figure out a way to bring her back or something maybe they'll do an episode where she gets stabbed with the sharp end of a picket sign i'm just having fun. The Scream Actors Guild, right? The Scream Actors Guild? Scream Actors Guild, I like it.

I fucking tripped over it a little bit. I'm sorry. All right, so this is what I'll do from my perspective in this game today. I play along, but I can't win. I just see how long I can last, and I'll try to do horror movies that the people are in, and you can do any movies that they're in,

or take the horror movies away from me if you want, but for Drew Barrymore, I definitely got to go Firestarter. Yeah. I'm going to say Scream 2. Why? Sarah Michelle Gellar said it. Yeah!

Shawty? I know what you did last summer. I don't care about that. Just play the game. We'll talk about what happened last summer later. I know exactly what you did last summer. I know what you did and how you did it. Okay, we're back to James.

I don't think she's in the sequel to that, so I'll say E.T. the Extraterrestrial. Yeah, another horror movie. That fucking thing is scary looking. All right. And then I think, I could be wrong, and don't tell me, audience, if I am. We'll find out eventually. I think the only other actual horror movie that Drew Barrymore's been in is called Cat's Eye.

Jeff? That movie's weird, man. I'm gonna say Gross Point Blank. Nice. Word, yeah. Nice pull for Joan Cusack, but also there is a name tag in the audience that uses Gross Point Blank.

Got a nice shout out. You're welcome. I like to get everybody involved. Shut up! I'm sorry, what did you say? That was awesome. Mrs. Blank. Oh, you're Mrs. Blank.

Listen, be proud of who your husband is. Say his name. Not Mrs. Blank. Oh, you're Mrs. Blank. Listen, be proud of who your husband is. Say his name. Not Mrs. Blank. Andy Blank. Rose Point Andy Blank. Whose turn is it? Me. Go.

High Fidelity. Yes. One more love to Joan. I'm sensing a pattern here. I'll say Toys for Joan Cusack. She's in toys with Robin Williams? Nice pull. You should have sat on that, my friend.

Did you know that? You knew that. She was in toys? Yes. You weren't even looking. What do I have to look at? Were you showing me some toys? Not now.

I'm just going to keep swinging my feet around. I have toys. Look at me. I'm swinging my feet around. I'm going to say, on my turn, I'm going to use the movie that the reason I think that Joan Cusack was picked as a scream queen, Adam's Family Values. Oh. Interesting.

Family values. Oh. Interesting. Well, I'm going to say another John Cusack movie that I think that lady over there was thinking about because she thought she could just say anything. Ah. Burn. So.

Scooby-Doo. What about it? He also knows what you did last summer. What about him? He knows what you did last summer. Scooby-Doo, colon, knows what you did last summer. Yeah. And if you don't fucking pony up with some Scooby snacks,

he's gonna rat you out. They had to cut that whole title. That's the full title? Yeah, they just called it Scooby-Doo in theaters. Okay. That's the animated one? No, she was in the live-action one. Sarah Michelle Gellar was. No, I know she's in the live-action one,

but I was just saying. I think Scooby-Doo, the animated one's just called Scooby-Doo, but does the movie have more words in the title, or is it just Scooby-Doo? Right? Yeah, it's trickyoby-Doo? Right? Yeah, it's tricky. I'll let you have it, though.

No, I don't want it if it's dirty like that. It's not that dirty. It's only kind of dirty. I don't want to cheat. Can I do a different one? If you want. That's also cheating, but it's less cheating. Cruel Intentions. How about that? Why is that cheating? It's not, because I'm switching my answer after I already said something. Right, so somebody else can just say Scooby-Doo if they want to.

I said it's a correct answer. You trickster. I just know I don't know the subtitle at the end of the second one, so that's why I wouldn't even try. Well, that's why I didn't say the second one, but I guess that's not where we're at. So, yeah, but anyway, if we're talking Sarah Michelle Gellar and horror, I'm just going to go with The Garage.

Right. Was James going to say anything? Oh yeah, your turn, James. Okay, so let's see what you have to choose from. You could say Scooby-Doo or The Garage. Was it Scooby-Doo Monsters Unleashed? I think maybe. That's the second one. Sure. Scooby-Doo Monsters Unleashed? I think maybe. Whoa! That's the second one.

Sure. Scooby-Doo Monsters Unleashed. Okay, so you're on with that? Don't. All right, so I'm going to still stick with the grudge. And Jeff, what do you want to do? Scooby-Doo. Okay.

Feels good. This is going to get hard fast now. I'm going to throw it back to Drooby-Doo and say Fever Pitch. Uh-oh, I'm out of here back to a drewby do and say fever pitch oh I'm out here oh oh right I forgot we have all these fucking Drew Barrymore movies cuz I've just been trying to focus exclusively on the horror films but go ahead James the wedding singer yes very scary. The Grudge 2. The Grudge 2, Grudgement Day.

I didn't know. I love those. In the whole Pacific Northwest, they love those The Grunge movies. Because they're all cloudy. Because they're about the grunge. The grunge. The grunge.

I get it. Hey, you know what? Local humor doesn't always land like you would hope it would. You go to the effort of learning a few things about an area. Jeff? 50 first dates. Whoa. Yeah.

Whoa. Yeah. Well, if we're going to play that game, I might as well get shit blended and say blended. It's shit. I'm going to go. It's Sean's turn. It's Sean's turn.

So if we're going to play that game. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Boys on the side. Oh, nice. Yeah. I don't know if she's in what Doug said, so she's got to be.

I'm just going to go out of turn constantly. James? I'm going to go to my name tags so she can say one. You got one, Katie? E.T. We said E.T. already. That's how drunk you are.

We said E.T. already. That's how drunk you are. We said E.T. Raising Helen. Raising Helen? Is that Joe Kusa? Joe Kusa. Okay. I'll take it. I don't even care if it's wrong.

It's my turn, so I'll say it again. Blended. Jeff. School of Rock. Nice. Very good. He's just not that into you? Oh.

Wait, okay. She's like, he sends me a message on Facebook, not that into you? Whoa. Wait. Okay. Yeah, she's like, he sends me a message on Facebook, then I have to check my email, and then I get a text.

And it's like all this like early O's. So we all know what the movie is. The question was whether it's she's not or he's not. He's not.

What did I say? She's not. He's not. He. Yeah. And that's right. Yeah. Get out of my head.

I was just making sure. Got the lights and then this warlock over here. I don't know what's going on. Barely think. Or I'm dead. I'm dead. I died, right? Yeah, none of this matters.

What do you mean you died? That's from earlier when I did that joke about did we die? I'm like, I'm in purgatory. Oh, I get it. Yeah. James? Poison Ivy with Drew Barrymore. Yes.

Very scary. Well, I mean, if we're doing really scary Drew Barrymore movies, I have to say Irreconcilable Differences. Jeff? What did you say? Boys on the side? Yeah, he did. Alright, so riding in cars with boys. That would be a good mashup sometime. Riding in cars with boys on the side.

That's what that song Scrubs is about. up sometimes. Yeah. Riding in cars with boys on the side. That's what that song Scrubs is about. It's about riding in side cars with boys in the car. No, alright. Batman Forever? What? Yeah. Well, uh-oh.

We got people in the audience disagree. Yes, she is. She's in a Batman. I know that much. It's Batman Forever. Okay. It is. Settle down out there.

Her and Uma Thurman. We got this. I'm aware. They're Jim Carrey's ladies that he shows up with before T-Pace crashes the ball. All right. Here we go. We're on to James. I'm drawing a blank now.

Oh shit. Katie has more. She's talking about doubles. I got more doubles right here. She's just going to yell E.T. again. I kind of see why you're on the fence, my man. I think E.T. is the strongest drink they make, so she just keeps screaming it out. I kind of see why you're on the fence, my man.

I think E.T. is the strongest drink they make, so she just keeps screaming it out. Drew Barrymore was in a movie that was just Poison Ivy-centric, though? Like her own Poison Ivy movie? No, it had nothing to do with that. It had nothing to do with super comic books or anything. It was just a movie called Poison Ivy. She was just a girl that was trouble. Oh, she didn't even play Poison Ivy, did she?

Well, I mean, she was sort of the title character, but I don't even remember if her name was Ivy in that movie. I thought she was Poison Ivy in Batman Forever, but she was not. There you go. No, that was Uma Thurman. Yeah. There you go. The emphatic mm's and ooh's down there. Real confirmation there.

We gave James a little bit more time to think. So we got you're out of Joan C think so we got you're out of Joan Cusack's you're out of Drew Barrymore's and you're out of who's the third oh Sarah Michelle Gellar's a tough one cuz she's you know she's done movies but not a ton of them no you cannot Katie okay Katie give us another one. Toy Story 2! Toy Story 2? Oh! That opens up a whole can of worms.

I'll take Toy Story 3. Jeff? Who's in Toy... Joan Cusack. She's Jesse. This guy even Who's in Toy Story? Joan Cusack. Joan Cusack. She's Jesse. This guy even has a child and he doesn't know the Toy Story movies.

Get into it, buddy. I know what it is. It's awesome. It rules. Jeff? Okay, I'm going to say Mad Love. I don't know the Toy Story. No, that's fine.

Mad Love is a Drew Barrymore movie. That's cool. Sean? I'm gonna go to my Lifeline just to see what are we doing. Ever After. Drew Barrymore. Thank you. She's in a lot of movies. Let's not kid ourselves.

I wasn't, man. I'm fucking serious. James? Toy Story 4? Uh-huh. What'd you say? He said Toy Story 4. Yeah, probably. I don't know, man. I'm going to say, for Drew Barrymore, music and lyrics.

I'm going to say Bad Girls. Yeah. Yeah. The cowboy western. Yeah. Bad Girls. Yeah. Yeah. The cowboy western. Yeah. Back to you there, Sean. Wayne's World 2. Oh, nice.

Who's in that? Judgment Wayne. It's Drew Barrymore's in that. She's the secretary, right, when he's talking about shitting himself on the trampoline James? Coyote Ugly That's just a guess

I mean, good shot Wait, what did he say? Coyote Ugly Oh, Katie's got another one What do you got, Katie? Chicken Little You sound wasted now got another one. What do you got, Katie? Chicken Little. Chicken Little? You sound wasted now.

Little's a good... She's just yelling out shit she knows we probably don't know well enough. Joe Cusack. Did you look it up on your phone? No. She loves the Cusacks. She's not cheating. Chicken Little.

James is still in it. No more of you, though. He's got to get this next one on his own. I'm going to go with Never Been Kissed. I'm going to go with Home Fries. Yeah. Back to you again, Sean. That's not happening.

It's okay. You did great today. This has been your best sober performance. Only, I think. Yeah. Well, you're one for one, man. Yeah, I lost. I'm the first one out. I should be happy. No, but you're one for one, man. Yeah, I lost. I'm the first one out.

I should be happy. No, but you're doing real well. I'm having an amazing time. Come on. Come on, man. There are so many movies. So many movies. Yeah, it's crazy.

There are so many movies that I love. How many there are. I don't know. That's it for you. You did a good job. Anything, James? I'm out. Oh, damn it.

I wish you had followed my lead and just said Toy Story 5. Why didn't I give it a shot? I keep making those things. Jeff? Wait, is there a Toy Story 5 keep making those things. Jeff? Wait, is there a Toy Story 5? Uh-huh. Is there really? Yeah.

I've never seen it. All right, so I'm going to say In and Out. Joan Cusack is in that movie, In and Out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, with Kevin Kline and Tom Selleck. Tom Selleck, a mustache-less Tom Selleck. Do you have any more after that one? A couple.

Nice. What else? Sixteen Candles. A movie called War, Inc., another John Cusack thing. Yeah, she's in a lot of John Cusack movies. And, you know, that's enough. That is enough. Jeff Tate is our winner! He did it!

Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! Tate! That means you get to drive to another city soon to be on the show again. I appreciate you making the effort. What would you get to drive to another city soon to be on the show again i appreciate you making the effort uh what would you like to plug uh let me i just gotta check a date

is in november november 18th yeah that's what it is november 18th i'm at a club called the attic in columbus ohio and And it's a Saturday. And that's all. That's what I want people to, I want people that are listening in Columbus to come to that show. Yeah, yeah. We got listeners in Columbus. They'll turn out,

start chanting Tate, Tate, right in the middle of one of your punchlines. Rachel, go get your prize bag! Woo! Nice work. Congratulations. Sean Jordan, what do you got to plug? I will be in Omaha, Nebraska, November 16th

at the Tiny House Bar. Please come to that. If you're in Omaha, Vancouver, British Columbia, November 30th through December 3rd. Sioux Falls, South Dakota, November 30th through December 3rd, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, January 18th through the 21st for Snow Jam Comedy Festival in Phoenix, February 1st through the 4th at CB Live, I think, doing a live

All Fantasy Everything, and I'll be co-headlining with Ian Carmel and David Borey. And I sell socks that say Dank on one and Buck on the other, so I brought a few pairs. If you want to pick one up back there, I'll be slanging socks. You brought some Dank and Buck socks? I brought some Dank and Buck socks. Oh, wow. And if not, just keep it pushing. No big deal.

And yeah, this is awesome. Thanks. Cool. James, do you have anything to plug? Yeah, I can do the weirdest plug you've probably ever had. Me and Katie have a booth in an antique store in Olympia Lacey. So if you're ever in the area, go to Antique Lighthouse.

Go to booth F1. We sell comic books. James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James. Go see Jeff and Katie. Jeff, James, and Katie Go see Jeff and Katie. Jeff, James, and Katie. I might be there. Go see Jeff and James and Katie in booth one. F1.

Booth F1. Yeah. But look at all the booths. It's probably interesting. Do you think you have the best booth? We have the hottest booth because I sell comic books and collectibles and stuff like that. It's the hottest booth. I like it.

Hey, can I buy that John Cusack thing? The thing she's holding? We actually have a cardboard cutout in our booth of John Cusack holding the radio. That's not what I want. Oh. I want that little thing. How much is the one you have? How much is that?

I want to buy that one at your shop. How much? I'll give it to you what if i get you guys run a really tight booth yeah yeah how much for this uh i'll give it to you i'm i'm not great i'm not great at bargaining what do i do now yeah you go higher i mean you could still get a little cash for you know because she shouldn't have just given it to you we could have got a real see now it's too late to ask for 200 dollars can't go from free to 200. katie you need to do this sober you but one more round of applause for James and for Katie. Douglas Movies is back at the Improv Lab in West Hollywood, California on Tuesday, November 21st.

And, oh, Steve-O's going to be there with others. And the Benson Movie Interruption returns to the Gramercy Theater on Sunday, November 26th. I said returns, but we've never done it at the Gramercy Theater before. It'll be our first time there on November 26th in New York City. See you real soon. And thanks to Tacoma. I just want to get to the word comedy. I just want to call it the Tacomedy Club.

Thank you to the Tacoma Comedy Club and to all of our friends from Tacoma and Olympia for coming out today. And one more time for my guests, Jeff Tate, Sean Jordan, and James and Katie in booth F1. As always, and then the frog fucked the caterpillar, ha. the caterpillar, ha!