Doug Loves Movies - Josh Gondelman, Chloe Radcliffe and Aaron Tracy guest

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

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Doug hates candy wrappers screaming baby sticky seeds with 50 acid pop or kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see. Because Doug. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. My name is Doug, and I love movies. This is Doug Lowe's movies recording on Wednesday afternoon, March 11th, 311, 311, 3,3, 11, 2026. And my guest today are two newbies and one old bee, Josh Godleman, Chloe Radcliffe, and Aaron Tracy. Hello.

Hello. Let's meet everybody individually and alphabetically by first name. He is the creator and host of the I-Heart Medea, not Medea Media, podcast called The Secret World of Roald Doll. It's Aaron Tracy. Hello, Aaron. Hey, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Thank you for doing this. Tell us about, I'm fascinated already by anything, anything Roald Doll related, but tell us about your podcast. Is it Vermissus? Yeah, it's a 12-episode podcast for Eyeheart, but you can listen to it wherever. And, yeah, tell us this whole crazy life story. story. He was a spy and he was obviously he didn't become a children's author until he was in his late 40s. So we had all these different lives before then. He was a spy. He was an amateur neuroscientist. He was a writer of like really adult, really adult fiction for places like Playboy. He was a fighter pilot. Yeah, lived a really interesting life and has a lot to say about this really weird moment we're living in right now. Yeah. And you don't back off of like the fact that he had some, some kooky and anti-Semitic sort of thoughts from time to time.

Yeah, he was a big-time bigot, an anti-Semite, and we definitely lean into that. And it's got, yeah, it's very familiar for anybody, you know, reading the news these days, what he had to say about Israel and Palestine, which was, yeah, really kind of tough to get into if you're a big role doll fan. But it makes him a really, you know,

sort of complex, interesting guy. Yeah, there's this, you know, played in the West End, and now it's going to be on Broadway, a whole play about him called Giant with John Lithgow, who I can't wait to see in that role. It's really good. Oh, you've seen it? I've read it, and I just talked to the playwright for an hour.

We're doing a bonus episode of the podcast with him, and he's really smart and thoughtful, and the play is all about the anti-Semitism. That is awesome. I love both of the words. Willie Walker books when I was young. And Roald Dahl was not a fan of the motion picture adaptation. Is that right?

He hated it. He absolutely hated it, even though he wrote the screenplay. But kind of, you know, in his defense, even though I love the Gene Wilder version, it was a crazy movie. It was completely funded by the Quaker Oats Company, which is so strange. I mean, it's the only big studio movie I can think of. funded by a cereal. And because of that, they had to make a bunch of changes that, you know, he understandably didn't like. Like they moved the emphasis. His book was called Charlie McChalkout

Factory. It's called Willie Wonka in the Chalkout Factory because they were going to try to sell a Wonka Bar. And that is not the story he wrote. That is not what he wanted. So for all these sort of of crass commercial reasons, they screwed up his story. Yeah. And I would imagine like the, the choice to put in so many songs might have irked him because he clearly didn't write the lyrics to the songs yeah he did not he did not see this as a musical he did not think that jean wilder i think jean wilder is amazing i mean we all think jean wilder's amazing of course but that is not the wanka that he wrote if you remember the book i mean it's just it's it's it's a much more sort of outlandish trickster wunka uh which is very cool and it works better cinematically i think but yeah doll

was not a big collaborator. He was very good being his version. Of course, the biggest issue with Gene Wilder is he was Jewish. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that was a big problem. There it is. Why do you think, especially since, you know, that was Tim Burton's whole thing with his version, Charlie Metchographer was sort of like taking back the original title and the original

approach, but I would still imagine that Roald would hate what they came up with with that movie. but but what about you know since he's gone why do you think no one has ever spoke of or maybe they have making a film of the second book charlie and the great glass elevator i don't know i mean do you love that one i think it's not as good a story no it's not as good but it's in space and hollywood cannot resist the sequel where now the characters are in space my favorite i mean they brought they sent the fast and the furious guys to space They just drive cars. They'll get anybody into space if they can.

I think leprechaun four or five is in space. Alien, of course. Well, alien is from space. Yeah, the second alien is in space. Muppet's in space. Exactly. So there you go. But also just it would be an effects extravaganza.

the second book because of the spaceness and the and the vermicious canids which just get mentioned in the movie in the first movie. And it also might finally win Timothy Shalame his Oscar.

Which one? Oh, if he made a sequel to Wonka that skipped a head to the space story. Wonka Vader. make a real Oscar bait.

I think Timothy's really, you know, happy to walk away from Wanka at this point. I think he made his statement with it. Did you see that Wanka movie, Aaron? No, you know, yeah, I mean, I watched it while doing five other things, but it feels like, I mean, I didn't love it. I'd be curious for your thoughts, but it feels like we keep getting like the Wonka that makes sense for its era. Like the Gene Wilder is this like pure 1970s like family entertainment. And then the Tim Burton is this, you know, 2005, like, gothic, psychologically really strange trauma film. And then the Timothy Shalame, from a couple years ago, was just like this TikTok era, kind of IP play, like optimistic and musical and designed for global markets.

Yeah, it wasn't for me. Yeah, it seemed like it was all about him just being in the outfit and, you know, simply like, look, I'm young, Willie Walker. Okay, great. I remember the rollout for that movie taking what felt like eight years. I remember like tremors way out like the way your bad knee can detect a storm days in advance. Yeah. And I don't know. For some reason, it just didn't.

I guess it was successful, but I can't barely remember like what happened in it. It was colorful and kind of cute, I guess. And like you were saying, Aaron, is, you know, removed all the trauma of the previous Wanka stories. Because the previous ones are crazy with the, you know, just like that's what when I was a little kid, like the, the, the boat ride sequence in Willie Wanka. It's insane. Like they chop off a chicken's head during it. And a weird snake goes across a person's face. Yeah, and we're giving it to our kids.

I mean, it's completely nuts that it didn't cause, you know, just trauma for generations. But, yeah, I think a lot of parents, you know, if they took their kids to that movie at the right age, like, you know, got to just sit back and not lecture them about overeating and chewing gum, you know, all the disgusting things those kids do. Right. You know, I mean, but like Mike TV was ahead of his time because kids getting addicted to screens has become more. way worse than it was then. Yeah. Donald's prophetic. Yeah. Also joining us today is a comedian who appears in the

movie that was just out, still probably in some theaters, is this thing on. It's Chloe Radcliffe. Hi, Chloe. Hello. What was that? I mean... Tell us about your experience. because you're a comedian, you're the comedian who tells Will Arnett's character, hey, that was pretty good after his first set. Is that, am I right, you remembering it that way?

Yep, I say, what, you're not going to stick around, support your fellow comics, and sort of encourage him to hang out. And then he hooks up with Jordan Jensen, and then he talks about it on stage in front. front of his wife and I he had he like hires me to do magic at his kids birthday party I'm really spoiling the movie I'm actually not spoiling I'm spoiling I'm spoiling I was really wondering because I haven't seen it yet and I was like is there going to be magic at the kid's birthday party yeah yeah yeah I know I know everybody was waiting for it um the amount of responses that I've gotten the magic at the kids birthday party is like you do not see me do I did actually do a trick for these a feral 11 year olds that

I was trying to manage their attention during this six-hour, like the six-hour scene shoot. But, like, it doesn't, I'm barely on screen in that party scene. Like, for truly maybe less than five seconds, you see me like, oh, she's doing magic, and then the camera moves on. And the amount of responses that I've gotten from people being, and I do stand up in a movie, I tell a joke of mine in the movie, and the amount of text that I've gotten from people being, loved you as a magician. I'm like, what the fuck?

What are we talking about? Why are we compliment how every, any other part of what I do in the movie. I basically, it all leads up to there is a very pivotal moment where he reveals something in front of his wife and I am in a hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, you stole my, you stole my trick. And then I fight him in front of everybody. you know I like I sort of put together what's going on and that like propels into a whole other section of the movie the reason that I feel fine saying this is that it's like this there's like a ton rest of the movie that is not that comes after all this but um so I have sort of the little like holy shit you got some balls on you man you know moment and and that was very fun I mean it was it was uh

It was crazy. Is that the right word? It was, here's what I will say. It was, everybody's like, was it so fun? Fun is not the right word. Exciting is the right word. But fun was not the right word. And I don't know, it wasn't like unfun.

But it just, it's, it was, I think it was largely a function of it's the first movie that I've ever done. And it's only the second professional. set that I've ever been on and the first professional set that I was on was uh Stephen Soderberg made what is functionally a very very expensive web series when I want to sound fancy I call it a miniseries when I'm in a meeting with a Hollywood executive I say miniseries but it was like that was like 10 people and we shot on iPhones so this the this movie was just like it's this huge production and I just sort of felt on my back foot the whole time being like am I doing okay?

Am I doing anything wrong? Do you need anything else from me? Can I do anything differently? And everybody's like, we are never thinking about you ever. We got to get this done. It's so much work. Yeah, yeah. Crazy.

And it must have been interesting for you to be not only playing a comedian, but, you know, it's all at that comedy cell air. Yeah. And so you must have spent, you know, very long days sitting around inside the comedy cell. waiting to say you're lying. Yes, yes. And it's funny because the, yeah, literally, just sitting around, I mean, it felt like being

at an open mic. It's like the same proportions, you know, when you go to a mic and you sit there for two and a half hours to do two and a half minutes, like, I would say, you know, I was at the cellar for seven hours at a time to be on camera for seven minutes. Yeah, it's like, it's wild that, you know, open micers, we should be pointing out. out to them that they're training for their acting career. Yeah. Yeah.

Because wait, wait, wait, and then do it. And you better hit your mark and do it right. And then you get out of there. Yeah, actually, I never quite put that together. But it really is kind of the same muscle. Yeah. So I'm going to blow out the whole movie because I don't care. I mean, it's not the kind of movie where you're like, oh, I can't believe somebody

spoiled that we'll learn it becomes a comedian. And he turns out he's okay at it. Was that thing on? Yeah. Well, that's what I was going to say is that, you know, before I saw the movie, is this thing on just was like, all right? I mean, I guess you just take a phrase from comedy and it would apply to this movie about a guy who starts doing open mics. But once you've actually seen it, I want to know if you agree with me, Chloe. The thing in the title is Will Arnette and Laura Duren's relationship.

Yes. totally I've heard people sort of like grumble about the title and I actually I am a big fan of the title actually like I think it is a very clever play on words

that yeah it actually really really maps onto the it means more once you've once you've experienced it or once you've heard us explain it but yeah it's it's deeper than it looks but that's you know but that's part of the problem is it just, you know, it kind of makes the movie seem like it's going to be wackier than it is. And it makes the movie seem like it's going to be a lot more stand-up than it is.

Yeah, that's true too. Yeah. I wound up sort of explaining it to somebody as it's like in the way that Silver Linings playbook culminates in dancing, but it's not really about dancing. Yeah. People don't talk about that enough. That movie ended with a dance competition. Yes, yes. And you forget that.

And you're like, oh, the movie's not at all about a dance competition, but that's where it ends. Yes. It's certainly, yeah. It definitely comes on strong in the end. Speaking of things that are on, this guy never turns it off. It's Josh Goddalen. Hey, Josh. Hi, Doug.

Thank you for having me. It's nice to be here. Well, you're a returning champion to the show. show. And so my question for you is, how do you think you'll fare today against these two newcomers? You know, I think my experience gives me an edge, but not knowing things and then forgetting the things I do know is going to be a real deficit for me. That turns out to be quite a factor for you. It's a big, yeah, it's like a big facet of my game play is not knowing things than forgetting the things I do know. Are you

Are you like a do follow the Oscars? Do you pay attention to what's going on? I do a little bit. Yeah. I like try to check in. I've done a bad job watching the movies this year. But I do like enjoy the not necessarily like handicapping who's going to win or what. But like seeing what people really enjoy it.

And like I like the ceremony. I'm not I'm not a hater of like award. shows and I think Conan did a great job last year. I think he'll do a great job this year. Yeah, I think he's a great choice for it because it kind of harkens back to Johnny Carson where it's like, you know, let's just have somebody that has no skin in the game, you know, just is there to entertain on their own level, you know, like they're just going to come out, tell some solid jokes, and then be ready to come out and make a quip when the inevitable weird thing happens. And Conan, too, I think, has like such a great sense of that, right? Of like,

I'm not the focal point of this evening. I am in service of this bigger cultural event. And I want to do a good job. Like, I'm not here to be cool. Yeah. I always, this is the time of year where I start to worry a little bit about what they're going to decide to threaten the people winning awards like with uh you know what are they going to say to get them to keep their acceptance speeches because they come up they've been coming up in the last few award shows over the last few years we come up with more and more outlandish and stupid things to cut off a person that's like isn't this isn't this entire ceremony about these people accepting awards i think they should go the other way i think i think they should go longest speech gets a reward well

Too many people would really take them up on that. They just bring a list of names on stage. But one guy one year when Kimmel was hosting won a jet ski for having the shortest accepted speech. But I'm sure he just said thank you, which is like also what Joe Pesci said in his famously way before that one. But yeah, it just gets more and more ridiculous. And then it was such a breadth of fresh air watching Netflix's. SAG Awards, the actor awards, because they just let everybody talk for as long as they wanted to talk.

And most people respected that. A couple of speeches were too long, but, you know, cut out all the dumb musical numbers, and you got plenty of time. Also, who, why does it, why does it have to be a finite amount of time? Why does the award show? It always goes crazy long,

even when people stick to their short speeches, you know, because there's just still stuff that happens that takes forever. So that's my wish is that this year they just say, hey, try to wrap it up in a minute. Do what you can. Like, you leave it at that. But I guess they still have the orchestra ready to play people off.

But Josh, before we play some games today, did you give me one prediction that you think is going to happen at the 187th Oscars on Sunday? Yes. I'm going to go with my prediction is Ruth E. Carter winning for costume design for sinners. That's a great one. That one seems in the bag to me because she's a already an accomplished and acclaimed two-time Oscar winner. Yep. for the Wakanda movies, the Avengers movies.

And the costumes and sinners are amazing. And, you know, I'm seeing, I'm feeling a center sweep in the, in several of the tech categories. It was really a technically wonderful. I mean, like, it was a wonderful movie, but also technically wonderful. I didn't mean to sound like, I'm like, technically it was a good movie. Yeah. No, everybody stepped, everybody came to do their, their thing on that movie.

Like it's just so and the movie is like more satisfying and enriching like with each time I watch it again. I've seen it three times now in three different formats because Kugler made the movie in seven formats I think. What formats have you seen it in? You know like 70 millimeter and 35. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just like he did it. There's a tutorial from him. on YouTube where he goes through and he shows you each one.

Like he has the physical film script. And he really talks you through it. And I can still never wrap my head around it, how that shows works. Chloe, what's your prediction for Sunday night? Do you care about the Oscars? I like the Oscars. I think I enjoy, but do not care, is maybe the right way to put it. My prediction is

someone will say something deserving of being slapped and they will not be slapped. Oh, that's legit. But somebody will say something much more obnoxious than the Chris Rock joke that got him to slap. Well, that's the thing. When I see that clip, it's so funny

with the way Chris Rock is like, it was a Chi-I chain joke. Like, he has to point out how absolutely lame the joke was in the first place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Insane.

I mean, I think a friend of mine worked for Will Smith, and he made it sound like Will and Chris had beef for like 25 years. And then this was like in the bubble, you know, that this was the straw that broke the camel's back. He had it. And every award show Chris Rock hosts,

if you go back and look at them, he takes a swipe at Will and Jada. And it's like they don't even have to be there. Like he definitely had it in for them and Will finally had enough. I'm personally counting down to when he comes back. I hope he wins after the 10-year band is over. Well, that's the weird part. He could still get nominated, though, right?

Yep. I think he just can't go. I don't think he's like ineligible for competition, but I could be wrong. That would be so hilarious if he just, like, was so good at something else because he's capable of it. He's a great actor. If he won again but wasn't there. They need to make a documentary about the slap

and then submit it in the documentary category. There's not enough lives are lost for it to get nominated in the documentary category. The documentary, the documentary shorts and the full-length ones are some of the most upsetting, depressing. and they're like and they're similar to like watching an episode of John Oliver when it's done you're mad and sad

and you want to do something about what he just talked about but what what can I even do you know that's what so many of the docs are like and they're you know they're heartbreaking but you know I'm glad that there's somebody out there doing it and somebody

rewarding it Aaron do you have a prediction for Sunday night Yeah, I mean, I'm very curious. When was the last Oscars when we were at war? Are there going to be a lot of protests? Is there going to be a lot of speeches about the war? Wow.

But I'll say, let's see, my prediction is that Josh Safdi is going to win Best Director. And I'll do a parlay since we were talking about the end of- Love this. That he's not, he's going to forget to thank his brother. And it's going to cause a giant scandal. That's good. Do you think forget intentionally? or forget

or earnestly. We'll be debating for three months Chloe. Yeah. Because they've had you know, they clearly

they separated made separate movies and you know Josh, I mean, the other one, what's the other one's name? Demi?

Benny made the one that didn't get as much recognition. Very different movies too. So it's like weird to me that they ever directed anything together. but so there's already and then you know there's always these little scandals or you know kind of big scandals

but scandals that come out around oscar time because some somebody paid some PR person to you know get it out there and try to besmirch somebody and maybe get get them less votes than the at the Oscars and so there's a whole thing about sort of it's sort of why Benny and Josh, like, you know, aren't making movies together anymore. What caused the rift? And it's kind of an ugly story. And Josh is the one that comes off, you know, badly in it. Is it, wait, is there something, is it something about them doing some bad thing to a teenage girl or something?

Yeah, they made a movie called Good. Good Time? Good Time. Yeah, good time. Excellent movie. I'm just sitting here thinking Good Burger. No, they made a movie. The set of Good Burger was a nightmare.

Yeah, they aired that movie Good Time, and I guess there was an underage actress who, you know, between the two of them, Josh wanted to push a kind of a sexual situation. And Benny was more like, oh, I was just there operating the boom. I didn't get involved. So none of that. if it's really been settled or I don't even know if it will be,

because I don't know if no charges have been brought against anybody or anything. So that's a very good prediction, Aaron. Wait, but that's what caused them to fall out? That's what people are speculating is why they fell out because, you know. Because Benny was like, I didn't do anything. and actually the problem is

also partially that he didn't do anything. Yeah, exactly. Like he was just standing by, but he was still co-director of this movie where this girl was allegedly, you know, being treated in an abusive manner. So it's all, well, who knows if we'll ever, you know,

if there'll ever be an end to it. But it'll be interesting to watch these two directors, you know, keep making movies. See what? See what happens to them. My prediction, and we've got to get into it, we've got to play some games, but my prediction is that there will be a split between,

it happens sometimes between best picture and best director. A lot of people like to say, well, if it's the best movie, how come it wasn't the best director and vice versa? It's like, well, some people, you know, a lot of people spread their votes around. You know, don't vote, you know, down the line all for the same movie. So I think Sinners is going to win best picture,

but Paul Thomas Anderson's going to win best director. That's actually what I'm hoping will happen because as much as I like one battle after another, I think Paul Thomas Anderson sort of deserves a career award because the fact that he's never won is kind of crazy. And but Sinners is just, Sinners is the movie of last year to me. Yeah, agree. It's more of a, it's just going to leave more of a, people will always. enjoy one battle after another, but on those terms that it's more like action and kind of satire, but Sinners is really deep. You know, it's really meaningful. I also think it's cool. Like,

I think Sinners really means a lot to people and, and is like, was such a huge event. And it felt to me really exciting that like two of the most fun, buzzy movies were all that, that did well at the box office were also like really substantial and, you know, like it's not always that like the big movies that everyone talks about are also really good yeah well you know that's why like f1 will slip in there yeah drag them wait there's got to be 10 i don't know i don't know anybody who's an f1 fan f1 was a trailer that i watched and i was like yeah i don't need to see that i saw the trailer and was like didn't this movie come about

three years ago? They want good me. Yeah, it wasn't they called Ferrari versus Ford or whatever. And then there was

the other one too, right? That was like last Starfighter but F1, what was it? Race car movies have got, are strangely

too much of a, soon as the Talladega Nights came out, that's when I should have just stopped. But there's these actors like your Ryan Goslings, your Bradpitz or whatever,

they are dying to wear a helmet. They need to be in a car or in space in every goddamn movie. It's like you're a movie star. Take the fucking helmet off and act. I hear that F1-2 is actually going to be in space. Gosling, you got your helmet movie out of the way with, remember the Titans.

Well, I guess this new, Hell Mary, Project Hail Mary is like he's in space, but he doesn't have to wear a helmet. So he's got his full, you know, he's got his, tussled hair and you see those cheekbones good looks yeah and everybody's raving about this movie and I'm just like but it's in space like once a movie's in space they lose me a little bit every time I hope he meets the leprickon well thank you to those predictions and good luck to everybody involved on Sunday I actually know a couple of nominees because Tigniton Tick Nautaro and Kevin Neelan

our producers on a film that got nominated for Best Documentary. Whoa. Yeah. It's called See Me in the Good Light, I think. And it sounds very moving and upsetting and all of that. So I'm going to try to watch it before Sunday. But now we've got to go to a break. And when we come back, we're going to play a couple of fun movie games.

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We're back, and our first game today is called, help me if you can I'll name a movie and then you have to guess how many credited performers are listed at the end of the film

on the good old IMDB Aaron will get to go first and if he misses then Chloe gets a shot at it and if she misses and Josh gets a crack at it which you know makes perfect

sense because Josh loves crack cocaine okay that's enough of that there's one thing i know about josh gondelman for some reason i haven't even deeply investigated this i just follow josh and know josh well enough that people think it's funny that the people are constantly trying to spread this rumor that he's into cocaine and it's of course that's funny because obviously probably not true not true you never know but yeah but five Can I just- running? Can I just clarify the credited performers are,

you're talking like how many people have their own, like title card at the end in the credits? Yeah, or don't, you know, just have, their name is in the credit. Like,

she's, they're listed, you know, I say credited because sometimes there's performances, you know, things that happen in movies that are uncredited or that, like, I mean,

like, the whole cast list. So, like, could be a big number. Yeah, It could. Okay.

It could be a big number, but, uh, because, you know, there are a lot of people in most movies, but, uh, wait till you hear what movies we're dealing with. And then, right. Great. Because it, this is, my dinner with Andre. This is where I, that, the first time we played it, that was one of the movies. And how many people do you think are in it, Josh? Four. Exactly.

Hell yeah. Yeah. But you're, you know, somebody that doesn't know the movie. very well. I might just assume it's just two guys having a meal and maybe a waiter, but somehow also the bartender is credited. It has some lines, I guess. I haven't seen that movie in a while. So, Aaron, are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. The first movie, I want you to tell me how many credited performers you think are in the motion picture, speaking of space, gravity. I remember two at least.

Yeah, it stars Sandra Bullock and George Clooney, but how many more people do something where they deserve credit as having acted in the film? There's definitely some voice actors in there. I'm going to say I'm going to say a handful more. I'm going to say seven total.

Seven total people in the motion. picture, gravity is the correct answer. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I know. I do.

Do I get more points for getting exactly right? I don't know. Wow. That's mind-blowing. Aaron. How about that? How did you do that? Well, he figured out.

There's two people and then, you know, several voices because they got to talk to people. Is there a kid? Through their headphones. Don't minimize my win. Yeah. It was impressive. No, it was. You're right.

Ed Harris, of course, is one of the credited people for his voices in it quite a bit. And also, I think there's two, maybe one or two astronauts you see briefly that get, they die right away or something. I don't know. But seven total. And Aaron is on the board with one point. Chloe, are you ready? I thought I was, but I don't know now.

I was going to blow that bad. Okay. What would you have said? I was going to say 15. Yeah. Because I was like, for sure there's people who I am forgetting at the beginning. I know I saw it, but I remember nothing of the movie. I'm sure that there's like expository characters.

No, it's a really tight experience. Like shit goes down immediately and it's just suspense of whether or not. not they're going to survive like for the rest of it. It's only 90 minutes long. I love that movie. It's really good. I think it's even still suspenseful when you're seeing it again. And, you know, let's face it, we all know that Sandra Bullock dies at the end.

No, I didn't remember that. Because she doesn't. All right. So here's your movie, Chloe. All right. How many people, how many credited performers I have to say, because some Sometimes they give credits to animals. But how many, not in this case, how many people are credited in the movie Moon?

That stars Sam Rockwell as a man alone in space. A movie that not only have I not seen, I have in fact never heard of. I'm going to say... You like Sam Rockwell? Yeah. He's got one of those faces, you know? Check it out. Okay.

I'm going to, I mean, fuck. I'm going to say nine. I'm sorry, nine is not the correct number. Josh, how many do you think it is? Five. Also wrong. Aaron, impress us again. Ten?

That is correct. No. Oh. What? Amazing. That's amazing. What? So cool.

Aaron, you have to get off Googles. Yeah, I had no idea. This is my category. I don't know. You're absolutely killing it. MDB is like speaking through you as a vessel.

Yeah, we're running behind a little bit anyway. So this is great to hear just to walk it away with this thing. but let's see if Chloe or Josh can get a point on the board at this next one. This one is a movie called Passengers where Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence

are stuck in space together. Is it my turn? Yes. Can I confirm, was this one on Netflix? I think eventually, but it had a theatrical. run because it was pretty, you know, it had some pretty cool effects.

And, you know, Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence are like two surviving people in a space shuttle that's not coming back to Earth for many years, but they, everybody dies except for them for some reason. But she's like in a sleep pot and he wakes her up and then doesn't tell her

that he's basically doomed to her to a life of just being with him on this stupid ship. and she could have stayed in their sleep pot and maybe woke up when it eventually got to Earth. I think, I don't know. I forget the exact machinations of it other than for the entire movie, there's no reason to sympathize with Chris Pratt because it's like, why did you do that? Yeah. Why'd you do that, you a-hole?

But how many people do you think total are in passengers? But on the plus side, Chris Pratt is very Christian. I'm going to guess. When's that on the... A roll doll would be very proud. I am going to say eight. Incorrect. Josh. 12.

No. Aaron, if you get this one, that's going to be absolutely insane. I'm going to say, stop looking up things on your phone or your device. Well, I think you're trying to trick us with this one because I vaguely, remember the movie and I feel like there are some big scenes I don't maybe at the beginning or the end so I'm gonna go with a much bigger I'm gonna say I'm gonna say there's like 75 oh wow wow you really went for it no there's not quite that many but there is definitely more than you'd think from a movie where I remember that um Michael Sheen was like a robot waiter in that movie and Lawrence Fishburn has a reason to

show up in the film but in addition to those two there's another 23 people there's 27 credited performances in the movie passengers you didn't need to and Aaron still basically got it

well and also he didn't need to get that one to win because he's got two points that Chloe and Josh have none so congratulations Aaron you won that game, but it just means you get to go first in our next game,

the one that really determines it all, and we will play that right after these messages. We are back, and Aaron gets to go first in our next game that I'm strangely excited about. It's a game I call Mr. and Miss Coppola. I looked up Francis Ford Coppola and

Sophia Coppola's films ranked on Rotten Tomatoes and I wrote down the top 10 based on the tomato meter scores. So this is a mix of

Francis Ford Coppola and Sophia Coppola movies. I say Coppola and Coppola I just go back and forth between the two so I write half the time. Mm-hmm. I don't think anybody knows for sure. One is the director and one is the vineyard, right?

Yeah. So you'll take turns guessing. We'll start with Aaron because he won the last game and then we'll flip the order around for fun. So it goes Aaron, then Josh, then Chloe. And you'll each get three guesses total. You'll take turn guessing movies directed either by Francis or Sophia. They haven't done a collab that I am aware of.

So you just need to name a movie from either of them, and the higher up it is on the list, the more points you get. Number one's worth ten points. Number one point. And it's an interesting mix of movies from both father and daughter filmmakers. Karen, what's your first guess? What do you think would be the number one movie, according to the critics at Rotten Tomatoes? directed by either Francis or Sophia. Yeah, I feel like it's going to be a trick.

I'm going to go, I guess I'll just do it, the godfather. You're right about it being somewhat of a trick because one would not suspect that the godfather is number two. Number two on the list, but that's still worth nine points. and Aaron So someone could sneak ahead of you If they could think of what the number one movie From Francis or Sophia is

And Josh, you get the next guess I'm going I'm going with a slightly offbeat one Given that you know what the godfather Godfather's work two I'm going to go virgin suicides well I should be clear that the godfather is number two but at

97% on the on the tomatoes and I don't know who those 3% are I think they're probably people that are like young and don't you know don't appreciate 70s cinema but Josh I love

I love coming out of the gate with a guess as wild as that one because I don't know if you remember but that movie wasn't that well received. I don't even have the number in front of me, but I know it's not in the top 10. You're not top 10? Okay.

No points for that round, but you're still in this. You can still do this. So Chloe gets to do her first guess now. I can't believe I'm about to win 10 points. The second you said it and I was like, we all know what number one is. It's Godfather Part 2. Yeah.

Because it is famously referred to as the sequel that is better than the original. Yeah. Or at least as good. Exactly. And man, oh, man, have I seen no movies? And I was like, oh, this is a, it's a ringer and everybody else is going to, I'm third. Wow. She's sliding in.

Godfather Part 2, final answer. Number four on the list. No. What? Yeah. I would have guessed that too, Chloe. It's number four on the list. Oh my God, Pride Goes Before the Fall.

That's worth seven points, though. So you're... Way ahead of me. You're super into this. Yeah, you're... It's like you're the one that did some Coke. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we start another podcast?

I have a good idea. Pitching podcasts on a podcast? So after you've heard this disturbing, these so far these disturbing results Aaron what's what would be your next guess for number one yeah I'm surprised those weren't the top two but I'm going to go with Sophia lost in translation you know never a bad thing to say in any situation

unless you're concerned about Scarlett Johan's being underage when they made it but number five on the list so we're still missing number one with a whopping 95% of the... Wow. You know, it did quite well, but that still makes it number five on the

filmography of the Copulas. So that's worth six more points to Aaron. So Josh, this is when you need to get into it. If you get this 10 points, then you do have a

shot at winning this thing. If you can name the number one FFC or SC movie Gosh, I feel like Metropolis is probably further down the top term Or Metropolitan? What was it called? The recent one.

Yeah, he didn't make either of those. Megalopolis. Megalopolis, excuse me. Metropolis is a different movie that was good. Yeah, Metropolitan's a movie too. I didn't know Metropolitan. Megalopolis. That's not.

what I'm going to guess. I'm again, I'm going, I'm going wild on this. I'm going another Sophia outside the box. We're going Priscilla. That is, that is, that is, that is such a wild guess that I was shocked to see that it did make the top 10. It is number nine. And that movie got 84% of the, the critics giving it, you know, also you got to keep in mind, it's a positive review. It's like they didn't hate it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that puts you on the board.

Josh, you got two points now. Very exciting. But Chloe, this is a big opportunity. If you get the number one, if you get the number one or the number four, I mean number three, number one or three, if you get either of those, you will either so close to Aaron. Here's my problem. I now have two. All I have left, I have two movies that I know that Sophia Coppola directed. I'm out of movies that I know that Francis Ford Coppola directed.

I can't imagine that either of these two movies are higher than five, are one or three. So do I take a wild swing for Francis? Do I guess a movie that I have no idea who directed it, but maybe it was him? or do I say one that I know that Sophia directed, but it's lower? Is there like a classic? Yeah, it would be interesting to just hear you say a movie that you've, you know, heard about. Yeah, I'm going to take the swing. By one of our greatest filmmakers.

God, I have two guesses. Well, you're going to get to do two more guesses, so let's hear one of them. Okay, let's do it. A scent of a woman. No, that was Martin Brest. But totally. I always mix up, I always mix up Coppola and Martin Brest. It's easy to do because, like, a lot of people say Coppola directed Beverly Hills Cop.

Because Cop is right there in his name. Yeah. It's pronounced Cope, actually. Beverly Hills Cope. I guess Copla could have directed Midnight Run because he's, you know, works well with Robert DeNiro. Probably not. Gilly?

Gilly? Gilly? Gilles? Gely was Mardbrest, too. Yeah, no, there was a downfall. And I personally think it started with scent of a woman. That's where things started to go bad. Hooah!

All right. Sorry, Chloe, but that was a fun guess. But, Aaron, you can really just bring it home right now with any of the, if you get any of the remaining ones in the top ten, I think you'll be unsurpassable. Yeah. I realize, apologies as someone already said this, but did we say Apocalypse Now yet? No, we haven't

said that one yet. Yeah, that one. Yeah, the one that's number one on the list. Wow. Yeah, that was impressive. Did you know that? Chloe, did you know he directed Apocalypse Now? Absolutely not. That's the one

where, you know, that movie went, like, way over budget and he went, like, Francis went insane and Mark McNehan was acting it and he went insane. and Lawrence Fishman was in it. He lied. He said he was 18, but he was only 14 at the time. Such a good documentary about it.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, and then Brando. Like, all of that and then Brando. Like, what a crazy, a crazy thing that is. But that really puts Aaron so far out of reach that unless you are, do you are going to guess another one for fun, Josh? You know, I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that that bling ring is up there in the top. Good old bling ring didn't make the cut, I'm afraid. Chloe, what was your second one that you thought?

My other one was going to be Dog Day Afternoon. That's another good. That was Sidney Lumet, but still. Another person I constantly mix up. We're in the Pacino zone, though. You're like Pacino Coppola. Well, yeah, that's the thing. I just, I just am sort of, I'm just vibe in it.

Have I seen Dog Day Afternoon or Send of a Woman? Absolutely not. Zero. I think even diehard Sinias, who are fans of both of these directors, would have a hard time with the rest of the ones that fell into place. I will tell you them now. Wait, can I tell you my two Sophia Coppola ones that I'm pretty sure of? Okay. If I had guessed, I would have.

Okay. Godfather Part 3 He's just in it She didn't direct it Really? Yeah What? You're giving her credit for that crappy

Well that I thought that was I thought that was Clearly I'm like hallucinating I was like oh I thought the whole thing Was that people didn't like Godfather Part 3 And she directed it But here we go

She didn't like her in it She got off to a You know Pretty good star with Her first film received okay and then the next one was all the awards okay and then we've said already we've already said

that was less of translation yeah yes and then the other one well great as much as I was like and I am 100% certain clearly I was wrong um but the next one I was going to guess was Marie Antoinette yeah that was another one that she did direct that yeah she did and it didn't quite make the the list it turns out Daddy got more action than his daughter in this top 10, but she does have one more that nobody has mentioned,

but I will go through and tell you all the ones you missed. After we ask Aaron two questions. The first one is, what would you like to promote? And I'm guessing it's the Roaldol podcast series that you are the creator and voice of. Yeah, the secret world of Roald all. Yeah. We just aired our, I think our eighth episode, so we've still got a bunch left. Yeah, Spotify, Apple, wherever, people can get it. That's awesome. How much time does someone have to commit to this? How long are each of the episodes?

Well, the best part is, is free. So, whatever you want. You just got to listen to some ads. But each episode is like 35 to 40 minutes. Oh, okay. All right. Check it out, everybody. the winner of the show when we do this show over the phone is um gets to be the person that names something for me some person or thing for me to call a shithead at the end of the show do you have do you have any anybody or thing that you're mad at like i can pick anybody yeah then i have to say it so it's about people could quote me uh you don't have to name names but what about like any president that takes us into war without getting Congress's approval? Oh my God, that's a mouthful, but I can do it.

Nice. I'm just going to write any president that doesn't Congress. All right. Because he pretty much doesn't Congress. I'm not concerned with their thoughts. All right. Let me go through these and then we'll do everybody's plugs and we'll get out of here. Just for giggles, I wrote down that Megalopolis fell way below the list.

and a mere 46% on Rotten Tomatoes. But then at number 10 is a movie of his that was like his first film, I think, even before like Phinean's Rainbow. And it's something that I'm not, I'm just really not familiar with, which is crazy because a filmmaker of his stature, I think I know all of his movies. But it's called You're a Big Boy Now.

I was going to guess that one. Yeah, right? But you were pretty sure it was Scorsese, though. Yeah. That does feel like an early Scorsese, you know, like a gangster movie, but it's got the title about him being a big boy. Nine was the aforementioned Priscilla. Number eight was another early movie of Coppola. I guess he was really, you know, knocking it out of the park from Jump, a movie called The Rain People.

Yeah, exactly. Number seven is the other Sophia. she made a movie that I think pretty much went straight to streaming with Felich Rashida Jones, the Rashida Jones, Rashida and Bill Murray called On the Rocks. And that did pretty well with the critics. That might have been like a pandemic thing even.

Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, 86% from the people who were bothering to write reviews at that time. And then number six is a movie that got kind of a mixed reaction, mostly because of Nicholas Cage's performance. Peggy Sue got married. I was just talking about that movie the other day. It is striking to me that this landed that high. Yeah. I think it was much better received at the time it came out.

Like it's become one of those movies that I don't think anybody considers a classic or, you know, it doesn't show up on cable that. much, if at all. And, but yeah, Nick El's Cage, you know, for better or worse, he gives, he's really cartoony in it. Everyone else is more normal. I just, I just saw it for the first time, I think, like, early pandemic because Kathleen Turner had given that interview where she was like, what the fuck was he doing? He was doing like a cartoon voice.

And my wife remembered loving it from childhood, so we watch it together. And it's like, fine. Yeah, it's weird. And it's got like, it's got like a handful of like comedians, comedy stories. comedians at the time that they just put them in a van and brought them over to the movie they like play all the friends but they're all barely in it

you know like Jim Carrey like you really blink and you miss him yeah and then number three because we established Godfather 2 is number four number three is another Coppola classic that I doesn't

the conversation about the conversation has lessened but it is number three because it was very well received. It was 97%. Yeah. I don't, I can't with that movie. It's just too much of Gene Hackman just sitting around like,

what's it called? It's called The Conversation about the Conversation. No, I just said that. It's just called The Conversation. And as far as Gene Hackman as a creepy guy who does surveillance. So, of course, this is the 70s. So, like, all the people that are super into conspiracies and, realities these days would maybe get into it, but it's very slowly paced. It's a very slow movie.

And so I've never, I've never been a fan. But congratulations again to Aaron. And, but let's go ahead and check in with Chloe Radcliffe. What would you like to promote? Whatever Aaron wants. He's, he deserves it. Listen to every episode. That's your punishment. Yeah. It's called the Secret World of World Doll. Yeah. The secrets are all out if you listen to this

podcast. Yeah, clearly he's got something in there. No, I'm on tour. I'll be in L.A. and Seattle and Portland and Providence and Atlanta and other places that I can't remember.

All my tickets are at all tickets that you want to buy are at Chloe Radcliffe.com and or at my socials links. I am at Chloe Badcliffe on all socials. Like my last name Radcliffe, but bad. Hey, yes. And Josh Gondelman, what would you like to plug? Hi, I've got some road dates to you. I'm in Los Angeles on March 30th at Dynasty Typewriter with Pals,

Aparna Ncernia and Ifi Nwadiwe on my show. Those are very gracious to stop by. Monday the 30th. Sorry. Sorry, the 20th. Yes. March 20th. 320.

Sorry. I thought you were wrong, but I had to... I was wrong. Thank you. He's probably wrong because it's not on a Monday. Certainly wrong. It's his Friday night late. So stay up late, Los Angeles.

Please till 10 p.m. And then Commonwealth Comedy Club, as Doug and I have discussed before, in April and then the DC improv as well. And everything that you need to know about buying tickets is Josh Gondelman.com or at my newsletter, that's Marvelous, which is free every Monday. And that's it. That's Marvelous newsletter.com. Amazing and marvelous.

Douglas movies will be part of the Moon Tower Comedy Festival in Austin, Texas. Friday night, April 17th at the Greek in the Cave at 10 p.m. Plus I'm running around doing six or seven different stand-up shows. over the course of the Moon Tower Festival, and all of my dates and deeds are at douglovesmovies.com. Thank you once again to Aaron Tracy, Chloe Radcliffe, and Josh Gondelman. As always, any president that doesn't get Congress's permission to go to war is a shithead.

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