Doug Loves Movies - Kevin Kraft, Samm Levine and Dustin Ybarra guest

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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Doug hates candy rappers screaming baby sticky seeds with 50 acid pop or kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see because Doug. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. My name is Doug and I still love movies. This is Doug Loves Movies recording on Wednesday afternoon, June 3rd, 2026. Happy Pride Month. And my guest today are Kevin Crafts, Sam Levine, and Dustin Ibarra. Hello, gentlemen.

Hello. Let's meet them individually alphabetically by first name. He is a stand-up comic and actor who can be seen in the film, the second coming of John Cooper. It's Dustin Ibarra. Hey, man. Yeah. What's up, dude?

Oh, you know, excited about this movie. Tell us about your character in the film. I played myself in the film, so it's not much for me to say, but you play the actual character, right? Yeah, I play a stoner, so, I mean, I pretty much play kind of myself. And I also play a stoner on Ghost right now, and I play a stoner in this. I pretty much get a lot of stoner rolls for some reason. I don't know why, bro. Are you?

Probably everything between your head to your toes, maybe is why. Yeah, I think so. Oh, I also do cocaine in the movie, so I'm branching out. Oh, okay. Getting to stretch my acting legs. Are you live or dead in ghosts? I'm alive in ghosts. Oh, so you're like probably, are you freaking out about all these ghosts?

No, I can't see him. I'm alive and John Cooper. You just don't care. You're oblivious. Yeah, I don't even know what's going on, dude. Is that part of the ghost storyline that people that are high can't see them? Some people can't see. There's a lady on there that can see them.

But one lady can see all that. One lady can see the ghost. Because she smoked the wrong kind of weed probably. Yeah, definitely. She smoked expired weed. Yeah, that just opened up her whole world. All right. That was DMT.

Yeah, okay. And let's move on because the next guest has a little bit more to say about this particular project. He is the writer-director of the second coming of John Cooper. Kevin Kraft. Hey, Kevin. What up, Doug? Thanks for having me on, man. Oh, thanks for doing it, as always.

Both you guys have been regular guests over the years. But I have a question for you after talking to Dustin. Kevin, why did you name his character, Dubs? Well, I wrote this script like 10 years ago, and I wrote the part specifically for Dustin. So I didn't know how things worked, so I called the character Dusty. So there would be no question about who I wrote it for.

And Dustin was like, it's a little on the nose. on his nose specifically yeah yeah so um I was like okay okay quick name change and then you know I got a buddy that I've known since I was a teenager in Philly and we always called him dubs

and he was a very fun guy and Dustin's character in the movie is a very fun guy so I was like all right dubs seems to seems to just fit the bill yeah that's a fun fun name for character and I can't think of like a you know another like classic you know dubs uh in something i'm sure it must have happened somewhere it's probably about like a character working in a sound studio or something i think it was

watering heights is what you're thinking there's oh there's a guy named dubs yeah i believe so the main guy the guy he was really horny some people call him heathcliff but you call it you think of him as dubs yeah he was friends with wuthering no you're thinking about wuthering high H-I-G-H. This is the... Oh, yeah. New late's here. And also joining us is a man who had nothing to do with the second coming of John Cooper.

It's returning champ Sam Levine. Hey, Sam. Hello, Doug. And others. We don't have time for all those nicknames today, Sam. Don't have time. No, because we got to get back to talking about the second coming of John Cooper. I couldn't agree with you more.

This is a theme episode. but, you know, we didn't fully, some of the other cast members of John Cooper were not available. But let me ask you this, Kevin. You reached out to me because the movie, you know, has been completed for a bit, but now it's finally going to get a wider, more exposure, correct? Yes, yeah.

It took a while to get distribution, because our rated comedies, especially low-budget, R-rated comedies weren't exactly the hottest ticket, but I think there's been some good performances out of comedies lately, and I know that there are studios actively seeking them again, so I think that worked in the movie's favor, and yeah, it's finally

going to see the light of day. So what, June, what's the date, June 9th? June 9th, Tuesday, June 9th. It's very easy to remember because it's 6'9. So if you laugh at it, mature jokes like I do. 69 is. That wasn't on purpose.

That wasn't on purpose. Just luck of the distribution. Yeah, things just happened. This miracles just happened. The act of God, yep. Yeah, absolutely. You guys can't hear that in the background, right? Hear what?

Okay, good. The sound of me not being asked to be in the film. I can hear it. I hear it. I'm clear, Kevin. Well, I'll reach out when we start shooting John Cooper comes again. Again. Is that real? No, no.

But I'm on a cruise right now and they were just making an announcement. I don't know why I'm on a fucking cruise right now, but I do not know why you're on a cruise, Kevin. That is so hot. I have bad timing, man. You got stuff to do it. I love though that you said, you got confident yes to being on a podcast while you're on a cruise because like the connection could be bad or expensive. How are you getting an internet? I went with option B, expensive.

Yeah, right? Are you making any other podcast appearances while you're on this cruise? Or you really just got internet so you could do this? I got a couple other, but none as important as this one. Honestly, Doug, the Douglas movies is a critical part of this movie existing. Because like we mentioned before, you're in it. Dustin's got a big part in it. And I met Dustin because I heard him as a guest one time on this show.

Man, that dude's funny. I got to reach out to him. And I reached out to his agent. He came on my podcast. We've been friends ever since. And both of you guys are in the movie. Crazy. Wow.

Imagine if you'd listen to any one of the other 100 plus episodes I'd been on. Very different conversation. Yeah, there's a couple other people that you probably could have ended up working with. But also, you know, Rob Cordray and Brian Hussain aren't frequent guests on the show, but they've done it. And so, you know, I was hoping to get it. get one of them today instead of Sam but you know Sam wow is uh let me finish Sam is a uh ongoing champion so uh you know just because he's not on this week doesn't mean he couldn't have just been on next week or the week after you know so i'm not afraid of a theme

show but i'm also uh happy to have you sam because oh well these two guys uh you know especially well I'm not going to characterize anybody at this point, but, you know, I like, I like some competition. And let's face it, if Rob Cordry showed up,

you know, Kevin and Dustin would have made mince meat of him. Destroy his ass. I don't know. I am a former champion, by the way. I had a nice run back in the, back in the 2012s,

I believe. Yeah, Kevin has also had a run or two, I think. Is that right, Kevin? I think, I think the C-Signess might fuck me up, though.

Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, well, first of all, you're joking about C-Signess. You're fine, right? Yes. Okay. Well, so, you know, a lot of people get very credulous about why anyone would go on a cruise. I'm not that person. I love a good cruise, but I like to specialize ones.

But are you on, like, just like a regular cruise? Yeah, so my, my grandma is 88 years old. She wanted to take her grandkids on a cruise, while she still has like the last bit of her mobility to her. So she's been planning this for like a year and a half. She wanted to treat the grandkids. And then it just so happened that distribution scheduled the release of the movie for next week. Right.

So I was kind of torn. It's like, do I blow off my 88 year old grandma? Mm-hmm. Or do I risk it with cruise internet? And I apologize, Doug. I rolled the dice. What's grandma doing now napping? Is grandma napping or something?

Are you ignoring her? Oh, no. She's probably wasted somewhere. Okay. I hope that grandma booked the cruise because of six, nine. Where's the boat going? I think we're in the straight of Hormuz right now. No, where is it for real?

I think we're going to some. island. It left from Florida and then we're back in Florida in like another day. So it's a quick one. Oh, okay. It's going to a tiny island that's all water parks. Teds? It's a co-co-coki. That is such a specific joke. And if anyone listening to this podcast gets it, please find me on social media and let me know you got it. Thank you. Well, I want to know what it is. What's Ted's? Oh, right. Well, bear has his own island. No, it's a small joke from Captain Ron. Oh, okay.

Oh, wow. That's what I didn't flashed on Captain Ron. I thought for some reason, Club Paradise popped into my head. Oh. But, um, all right. Well, I, you know, I've met, I don't think you might be the first guest phoning it in from a cruise. Oh, I've been phoning it in for years, Doug. From cruises?

No. Just taking advantage of it. the phrase phoing it in. You've been zooming it in of late, but also the occasional live appearance. I should just throw this out

here right now. I'm looking for, I'm trying to find I want to start doing it again weekly somewhere in Los Angeles. It would be great if I could find a spot where they just let people come watch, you know, just like a small theater. I don't want anybody to be trying to

make a lot of money off of this. Because that's the issue with a lot of these things these days. The ticket prices for stuff is so high. So, like, I'd love to do something, you know, love to do more stuff that doesn't cost people so much money. I did a club last weekend in Denver called Denver Comedy Underground, and they were pretty busy all weekend. And I was like, hey, what gives? You know, it's not just me, right? and they were like, no, you know, we got no drink minimum.

So someone could, if they want, just show up and sit through the show without having a beverage, which is kind of how it should be. Wow. And then the even better part, delicious free pizza for every audience member. No way. Wow. Amazing, dude. Yes, you get a bunch of pizza and buy a drink if you want to, but if you don't want it, then all you had to pay was whatever, you know, whatever the door price was, which is, you know, $350, but the point is

No, you know what I mean? It's like it's just, it figured out a way to, you know, do enough business that they, you know, I think they're doing pretty well with this system. So, that being said, I want to do

those movies in L.A. somewhere. Okay. So after you reach out to Sam to say, I got the Pirate Ron joke. then you can follow that up by reaching out to me and suggesting a venue. Then you can go back to Sam for a cameo because at the end of this episode he's going to ask me for a cameo.

Nope, nope, I have a real plug this time. And you got it until June 9th to figure out where the hell you could see the second coming of John Cooper. But where do you suggest people go, Kevin? So you can rent it. Prime, Google TV, and Fandango at home. Okay, cool. Nice.

That's awesome. Congratulations. Yeah, if you're listening to this before the movie comes out on June 9th, you can add it to your watch list on Letterbox or IMDB just as a reminder. Okay, I thought you were going to say, dude. Listen to this before June 9, go fuck yourself. It seemed like a setup for something, but you really gave them nice advice. Yeah, I don't want to be mean to anybody.

And this will be out. This will release late this evening for your future, if you're curious about what you should be plugging later on the show. But we do the plugs at the end because we like people to listen to the whole thing. Before we play some games today, though, I would like each one of you to recommend one movie.

Sam is very used to doing this. going through the motions here, making up some movie he thinks he's pretending to like. Nope. That's not true. Say you got a real one? I got a real one. Okay.

I'm going to accuse you of it not being real for the rest of our days. That's fine. Because you pranked me so good with a bunch of fake points. We have fun. We like to have fun here. All right. So what's your real recommendations? My real recommendation is a film that I just watched.

on VOD the other day with the wife called Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die. Oh, yeah, I love that movie. What kind of punctuation is in there? None. No commas. No commas.

Just go straight through. Good luck, have fun. At least that's how it's written on screen. I can tell you that much. Each of those two words gets its own line. Like they're all written one under the other. So there's no, to my recollection, there's no commas or anything.

There may be on the poster or if you look at it on, you know, on IMDB or something, but I don't remember. I wonder if they just had a hard time choosing between the three titles, so they just put it all, put it all on there. Well, I think anyone of those would be a good title, but it's not. What's that? I don't even think it's based on a book, so I don't even know if there's like source material to refer to. I think it was just an original screenplay. Yeah, and just, you know, what we'd expect to see like on a bumper sticker, or in my case, a hat. I got a hat.

When the movie came out, I was gifted a hat that said that on it. But I got it months before the movie came out. So I wore it until the movie came out. Because it was fun to walk around the hat that was, you know, but be like, why does it say that on your hat? Or they just laugh. Or they just

laugh at it. But once the movie came out, then I don't want to have a conversation about that movie every time somebody you know, recognizes it from the hat. So this will be the last time you have to have the conversation. Exactly. I gave the hat away on an episode, a live episode. That's why I stopped wearing my Dale Earnhardt Jr.

hat. Right? Everyone just wants to talk about him. I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to have a nice day. You're at Matt's Pro Shop. Leave me alone. You don't want a conversation starter. You can't have words or teams on your hat. Nope. You don't need to get it going. But then something I do want to talk about, I'll put it on my hat that says it, and I'll hardly get any. action. I've got a June Squib hat that nobody ever. When my girlfriend wears a June Scrib hat, people I love to talk to her about it.

But I wear it. They probably just assume that I, you know, just like when small body firecrackers go off in the early summer. You know, you mean, Sam, I enjoy a good June Squib. Who doesn't? I mean, I've been pitching Squib games to Netflix for years. Oh my God. I wish it would just happen because I don't know how much longer she's going to be with it. She's like 98 years old. I know. But she's hanging in there.

I think she's going to outlive us all. She's just got nominated for Tony. I'll see if my grandma will compete against her. Okay. I would, so we have, I would love to have tune Squibbaw. But all the games would be multiple choice and the answer would be like,

A, B, or C. You know what I mean? Because I want to give her a fighting chance. Um, Dustin, can you recommend a movie? Yes, there's this movie that I saw and you might not expect me to like it, but it was called remarkably bright creatures. I want to know more about this because, uh, I've heard good things, but, uh, all I know is it's Sally Field and an octopus. Yeah, and the octopus is, uh, played by, oh, dude, I just put this to get. He was Dr. Octopus. That's crazy, dude

Oh my God You said that Holy shit But this is like a prequel Before he became a doctor This is what he yeah Before he evolved A young doctor octopus

He was an actual Yeah actual octopus That blows my mind right there Remarkably bright creatures Yeah who's that actor The voice is Alfred Alfred Molina Yeah

He plays the octopus and uh well he did the voice unless it's really good prosthetics i'm pretty sure it was just yeah just the voice but it was amazing bill pullman's kid is in it too right louis pullman dude i didn't even know that was his kid but yeah he's in it um yeah and he uh it's a really it's a good sweet movie and i kind of like movies like that because i was watching it and it was one of those movies where i was like man my mom would really like this you know like this is a movie that i can't could show my family and I could enjoy it too. There's only a few movies like that, you know, that I can do.

You think Kevin's grandmother would like it? Kevin's grandma would love it. Oh my God, dude. Your grandma would love it so much, bro. It's such a, it's a mom movie. You get back from the cruise or I guess you can sit down with grandma and watch on a laptop. Well, except for the part, like much like in shape of water, the female lead hooks up with the sea creature.

So Sally Field and the octopus, spoiler alert. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know that. It, I wish it would have headed that direction, but no, it's,

it's amazing, though. It's just a sweet movie. It's almost like a hallmark movie, but done really well, you know? I came up with a good tagline for it. A promotional line for it. Eight times the romance.

that's awesome the theme song could be the Beatles singing eight arms to hold you I love it I love it Netflix and I already had that on my want to see list

so thank you for confirming that did you spell C-S-E-A I sure did okay good S-E-A-U-N-T What? Kevin. Kevin. What would you like to recommend?

Well, being that I'm here to promote an R-rated comedy, I wanted to suggest a different R-rated comedy that I feel doesn't get enough love. Has anybody else seen Spy with Melissa McCarthy? Yeah, of course. It's so good, so good. I can't count how many times I've seen that. Buy is the best thing that everyone involved in it ever did. I can't really stand with it.

I really, yeah, I really went out a little hard there. But you know what I mean? These are Academy Award nominated actors, some of them, Tony Award nominated actors, and just, you know, not only playing the hell out of their characters, but also it's just way more violent than it should than it needs to be. And therefore, that's amazing. And yeah, just such an engaging movie.

Yeah, the jokes and the gags are so solid. It's a great premise, Melissa McCarthy, getting, like, unbenched to go in and be essentially a James Bond spy. I don't know. Every time I put it on, I'm like, how is this not in every conversation about the best R-rated comedies? because it's so goddamn funny. Yeah, it's really good. And I think it's on Hulu right now. Oh, I bet it is.

It's not, it's on one of those others. Yep, that covers it. It's somewhere. SPY, go and go and find it. If you like it, fun, R-rated, violent spy comedy, it's really directed by Paul Feig. I know he sort of, It goes back to that well a little bit here and there.

But, you know, obviously Bridesmaids is really good, too. But, like, a spy was more surprising. Like, bridesmaids is like, well, obviously, he's got a sense of humor. So he could direct that, but that much into. I think, and Sam probably knows the answer to this. I think Paul Feig is a huge James Bond fan. That sounds about right. You know, I mean, I can either confirm nor deny, but that's,

I mean, Paul Figue is all suits and cocktails. Yeah, he dresses. He dresses like James Bond when he's on set. He really dresses up nice. He always has a suit on. I've seen it in person because he'll wear it even to like come to a dumbtug those movies taping at UCB or something. It's so weird every now and then someone will show me an old freaks and geek set photo

and Paul would just be wearing regular clothes. And I really think he's the living embodiment of dress for the job. want because shortly after that show is when he started just wearing suits all the time and then poof he's a giant Hollywood director so that's amazing there you go kids I look so the job you want to do damn it Dustin no I look very Jehovah's witness in a suit bro no you look very much like defendant number one I think in a suit uh Josh Gad in Booker Mormon. Exactly.

All right, guys. I will definitely be seeing one of those movies. But that's because I've seen the other two. Might see them again. You never know. But great job. Let's do a commercial break.

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not in it to win it oh boy yeah you can already tell us now that this is uh This is all backwards and weird this particular game because what I'm going to do is I'm going to list the names of three actors. And then you have to take turns guessing which one has not been in a movie with a specific word I'm going to give you in the title. Good Lord. So the first person misses that's Dustin. And then it goes to Kevin. Kevin misses, at least in the first round, Sam will get. the give-me point.

First one to two points wins. It's not a long day. I think I understand this. I think I understand it. I think you'll understand it more once I say the first round to Dustin gets the first guess and here it goes. Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, or Tom Hardy,

which one has never been in a movie with a way in the title. Okay, with a way. W-A-Y. One of them has never been in a movie with that word in the title.

Who do you think that is, Dustin? Oh, my God. Away. What movies have a way? Blown away. Stay away. I'm going to take a quick nap. Wait, what is stay away?

Is that the Dustin Yvara's story? Yeah. Stay away. written by Dustin's biological father. Stay away. Oh, no. Stay away. Okay, yeah, dude, this is, I really, I could just keep on stammering right here, but

yeah, just pick one. I'm going to have to go with a stab at it. I'm going to take a stab at it. I want to go with Tom Cruise. That's incorrect. Kevin. Tom Hanks or Tom Hardy, which one has never been in a movie with a way in the title? I mean, it's got to be Tom Hardy.

Why do you say that? Well, Tom Hanks was in Castaway. Yes, that is why. Oh, she knocks him out. Yeah. And then Far and Away, of course, Sean. Yeah, Tom was in, Tom Cruise was in Farrow Away. And one thing I love about Tom Hanks and Castaway is the Castaway, most people don't know this, is two words.

Two words, that's right. Yeah. Because he's cast away. he's been tossed away from society in the world of schedules and appointments that he so loved. Okay. So deep. We really shouldn't be talking about this right before, you know, Kevin's going to be in a major nautical disaster. Oh, no.

His grandma becomes Lord of the flies on him. That's getting more like triangle of sadness, though. Oh, my God. Ultimate sadness. Sam, are you ready? I guess so, Doug. All right. You're going to love it.

Which one? Timothy Shana Mae. Tim Allen, who I wonder if he's a Timothy in real life, or Tim Hurry. Which one has never been in a movie with the word Santa in the title? Hmm.

Okay, well, there's one I can eliminate. right away. Right? Yes. That's there for the, you know, the not of skilled players. Nice.

Santa, Santa. I mean, the problem is I know Shalame had, like, a big career as,

like, a young kid actor. Well, I mean, he was in a lot of stuff. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I mean,

that was my instinct was to say Shalameh because I feel like Tim Curry's been around forever and there's probably a chance he's in some Santa movie I'm unfamiliar with. So I will stick with my gut

and I will say Shalomay. You and your goddamn gut. That is correct. Woo. Tim Allen of course was in all those Santa Claus movies. And Tim Curry

was in a movie called Saving Santa. Oh, the sequel to saving Silverman Yeah I thought it was saving Private Ryan But it's in the North Pole Oh So much

I should do a game about all the savings that are happening In so many movies But his character Does he play Santa? No, his character He's the bad guy So now I kind of want to see this It's animated

And he's the bad guy And his name is Neville Battington So that's like naming a stoner character, Dusty. I would love to see Tim Curry play Santa or something, get those like sassy, ho, ho, ho. I love to watch him do anything. He's great. All right, Dustin, you are up first again.

And so this is your chance to tie it up. You need this one, buddy. All right. And we have eliminated Timothy Chalmay, Tim Allen, and Tim Kirk. So let's go. All the Tims. Yeah, forget about the Tims. We're moving on. That was a great sitcom. It's a woman who exclusively dated guys named Tim. And our friends are like, forget about the Tims.

We're moving on to Robbs, as most women will do when they leave the Tim's behind. They end up with a Rob. All right, Dustin. Rob Cordry, Robert De Niro, or Robert Shaw, which one has never been in a movie with the word hell in the title? Ooh. Yeah. Give me those names again, Robert De Niro, Robert Shaw, and what was it?

Rob Cordy? Yeah, you gave those names again to yourself. Okay. You get a point for that, right? Yeah, that's something. I mean, memorization is impressive at this point because I, you know, I've got it right in front of me and I have trouble with it.

Hell, hell, without hell in the title. Yeah. And Robert Shaw. I'm going to say Rob Cordry, just because I think, yeah, I think I know his work the most. And I don't think he's been in a movie with hell in it.

Okay. Now, Kevin, what movie do you think Rob Cordier is in that has hell in the title? Hell baby. Yeah, that's right. So, sorry, Dustin.

Kevin, it's between De Niro or Shaw, which one do you think has never been in a movie with hell in the title? Fuck. Yeah, this is this is just going to be a blind guess. Okay, but this is exciting.

Let me build up the excitement. If we were in a TV show, we'd go to a commercial break before revealing the answer. If you get this one right, you win this game. If you miss it, then Sam will obviously get the gimmey point. So you've got a 50-50 here, Kevin, between De Niro and Shaw. Which one are you going to go with? I think

Yeah, I'm going to be I'll go Shaw You're going Shaw Yeah Sam, which one would you do Fucking shit I guess I'm not asking I'm not saying if it's right or wrong

But which one I probably also would have gone Shaw But for the purposes of you're asking me, I'll say De Niro. What De Niro movie do you think has hell in the title? Don't you feel like you know the titles of every movie that De Niro's been in? So for

the movie trivia Shmodeon a couple years ago I did a deep dive on Robert De Niro and he has been in so many movies in the last 20 years that no one's ever He works constantly. He works constantly. Yeah, there are some more obscure ones in there I guess. Yeah. So I figure

there might have been hell in one of those like Hell Baby 2 probably. meet Robert De Niro in Hell Baby too Yeah yeah yeah I mean I love Rob Cordry and Hell Baby 1 I watched that that bad grandpa movie With De Niro or maybe it's nasty grandpa or horny grandpa I think this bad grandpa and yeah bad grandpa could have very easily been called grandpa from hell Yeah dude he jacks off in that like not like implied or anything

It's like the Austin Powers gag where there's like a bottle of water obscuring just his hand fully naked jacking off. I was like, how do you even have the conversation with De Niro or his agents? We like, so we want him to just like head to toe on in, in frame, jacking off with just like a flower blocking his dick. You know, he had to say, he had to say, are you talking to me at least once when they said that. Well, he was jacking off.

I think it's a dirty grandpa because bad grandpa is the jackass movie. Oh, it is. It is dirty grandpa. He would jacked for sure. Yeah, he was really dirty. Bad dirty-ass grandpa. But yeah. Got him to jack his dick off.

But even, didn't the dirty grandpa have, who was the grandson? It was Zach Ephron. Oh, it was. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, and he's trying to plow Aubrey Plaza the whole time. It's very strange.

The dirty grandpa sounds like a secret item at like Applebee's happy hour. I'll have the dirty grandpa. The bartender knows what it is. It's an appetizer-sized portion of an entree for half the price. Yeah, the dirty grandpa. Just going to ask for the dirty grandpa. Thank you later. I'm going to go into it.

I'm definitely going to try that at a bar. I'm going to say, give you a dirty grandpa just to see if they like, because bartenders kind of have to act like they know what every drink in the world is, you know, like they don't. It's embarrassing to have to ask what's in it. So I asked for a dirty grandpa. And then when they go, I don't know how to make that. What's in it?

I'll go, just give me a Coke. I'd be really bad about it. They're going to be like, yeah, of course. And they're going to Google it. Dirty Grandpa drink, nothing's going to come up. They're going to turn back to you. You'd be like, yeah, sorry, man. We're all out of mango and dragon fruit.

Can't do it. You should be careful. Dirty Grandpa could be a sex thing. Yeah, well, I think if you Google it, you're going to get something. Something's going to come up. All right. So, yeah, Robert De Niro, despite of being in all those movies,

the hell word has never come up in the time of one of his movies. And Robert Shaw was in a movie called A Town Called Hell. Oh, Christ. Yeah, exactly. So congratulations, Sam. You won that game, but you also know how little that means. Yep. In the grand scheme,

because it just means you get to go first in our next final determining game. Then we will play right after these minutes. messages, we'll be right back. We are back. A Dino story. To determine our winner today, we're going to play. This is another one of your favorites, I'm sure, Sam.

Weird algorithm. There it is. What's your favorite game, Sam? Games we don't play anymore. Yeah. Sam really loves the games of yesteryear, but not so much. much they'll take a stand and refuse to play these newer games.

No. Yeah. But at least I like this one. The ones where it's like you poll people on, on social media or whatever, what's the most popular? Those I, that you're just throwing darts in,

in a dark room. Like there's no way to know. But that's also, you know, like family feud or the, uh, or the new game show with the guy from, uh,

family matters. Um, where it's, You know, dumb-ass poll response. If you don't mind, that's Flipside with Julele White. Yeah, Flipside's the same thing where you just have to, they go, here's the top five answers we got for whatever question. And they'll say something like we ask moms or, you know,

some dumb category. But like it's still, uh, it comes down to just, you know, trying to do your best with, uh, you know, once unfortunately kind of a, it's more of a guessing game. But this is,

uh, this is kind of weird out. algorithm combines guessing with just sort of kind of trying to figure it out sometimes. So, but you also need to know stuff. So let me explain it to Dustin and Kevin. On the IMDB, you can go to any movie, you know, every movie has a page. And then you can type into the search engine or you can, you know, hit cast for the movie. And then you can refine the list of the cast in order of how popular they are, according to the algorithm, the star meter on IMDB.

So I'm going to give you the name of a movie. Sam's going to go first. And he's going to tell me, I'll name the movie and the top two build stars technically. But then Sam has to guess who he thinks the top build person is based on current popularity. and you can all guess the same answer, but you do have to lock it in with your turn, and we'll take turns, we'll move who goes first each round.

But like I said, Sam's first in the first round, the movie is Tootsie starring Dustin Hoffman and Jessica Lang. So you could, Sam could pick either one of them or he can come up with somebody else that he's remembering is in the movie who might be more popular on IMDB today. If he gets the number one person, it's worth three points. If he names the number two person, it's worth two. And third is worth one point.

And it's somebody that's not in the top three. You don't get any points at all. Sam, what's your... So it's been a minute since we play this. I want to make sure. So I'm guessing... So you gave us one and two, as already is listed. I'm supposed to guess number three,

or I'm supposed to guess if I think there's a different person. You want the highest one you can get. You want number one. Okay. You want who you think is number one. Is it Justin Hoffman, Jessica Lang, or somebody else of your choosing? Right.

From the classic film to T. I want to go Hoffman? Question mark. All right. Sam says Dustin Hoffman. He's locked in. Kevin, you can say the same name or you could pick somebody else. I mean, I don't want to be a weaner.

I feel bad piggybacking on you, Sam. But I feel like Hoffman's got, he's got something coming out soon, too. I think I saw some trailer. He's being all silly and shit. So I think it's got to be Dustin Hoffman. I mean, if anybody's going to be silly and shit. That's his MO. It's going to be Dusty.

A.k.a. dubs. Yeah, dubs. If I ever meet Dustin Off, I'm going to call him dubs. All right, Dustin. Do you want to join the Hoffman Club, or do you want to strike out on your own with somebody else? I think I'm, dude. I think I'm going to have to go with a, I, shit, dude, I, because I kind of don't want to go with the flow here, but the only other option is Jessica Lang. And I don't remember any of the other actors that were in Tuesday.

Dude, I don't even think I've seen that movie. No, that's crazy. I was a long time ago. It is very old. I'll try to get. I was raised. Dude, I was raised very religious. My mom would not let me watch men in drag.

so he's not allowed to watch that movie would she approve of it more if she knew the character was only doing it out of desperation and he didn't enjoy it initially Oh absolutely You know she's cool like that No I'm gonna go He does enjoy it eventually

That's like I kind of take it back I'm gonna go with Jessica No I'm gonna go with Dustin Hoffman No Jessica Langue Jessica Langue final answer Okay I know This is tough. It's hard to know what to do.

We do have three rounds. So, like, you got it straight from the pack at some point strategically in order to win. But there is a tiebreaker. Number three, of course, Dustin, if you haven't seen it, you don't know this. But it was kind of, I don't know if groundbreaking is the right word, but it was fascinating to see comedy superstar Bill Murray. Oh, my gosh. That's number three, though? Supporting role.

Yeah, it was number three. You know, that's based on the algorithm. Oh, I'm so glad that somehow slipped my mind in that moment. I would have totally said that. He's so funny in it. He just sits around. He's just Dustin's roommate. He just makes quips.

Right. I was like, could be Daveny Coleman. I was there. Davney Coleman, I do know he was in that. Yeah, good old dabs was in there. I love dabs. Terry Gar is a great comedic actress. She was in it.

were she and Jessica Lyon were both nominated for Sporty Entress. But anyway, nominated for Best Actor, even though he's a woman and much of the film, is Dustin Hoffman is number two. Oh, Dustin. So that's two points for each of you, which is essentially we're all still tied up. But just for your edification and to help you maybe think about the future rounds in this game. Number one, Gina Day. in her first movie role. Oh, wow.

Who is now quite popular on the IMDB because of the Netflix show she's on called the Burroughs. Oh, okay. That also stars Alfred Molina. I think the two of them might get it on. He is not an octopus in that. No, he's a man with just two arms. Yeah. Okay.

Lame. We start this next round with Kevin. and the film is the classic. I did not do this specifically for you, but it is a classic R-rated comedy called Fast Times at Ridgemont High. That arguably stars based on billing, Sean Penn and Jennifer Jason Lee,

but Kevin, which one of those two do you think would rank the highest or someone else from the film? Okay, there's a lot of choices here. This is what they call a stacked cast. Oh, man. Great flick. Hey, let's see.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Going through the Rolodex, bear with me. I'm not going to drag this out, I promise. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. One of my favorite humans, Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage, all right. That's a good one. He's in it very briefly, but he is in it.

Dustin. Yeah, just a burger man. Yeah, he's a burger boy. No, no. Yeah, and I'm, that's, that's a good thing. No, he's always shirtless, I think. Isn't he with Spicoli's crew? Yes, Picole and what's his name?

Eric Stoltz and, and what's his name from ER? Oh, Anthony Edwards. They're like the pack of, that are all together all the time, but I forget which three of them take their shirts off in a you know the place where uh judge ryanhold works all american burgers all american burger all american burger all i see he jacks off to them shirtless too yeah oh yeah okay uh Dustin what's do you have a guess yeah i'm gonna go with nicholas cage as well because you know he's in that new spider man show and that's pretty hot right now so i could see that help in the i mdb

you got to choose with that show if you're going to watch it in color or black and white I watched it in color sit I watched it in color I felt so lame watching it in color too I feel like I don't know how to explain it I just don't feel cool because I know I need it I need the colors yeah Kevin watched it in black and why now he thinks he's better than me but you know what I'm not used to a black and white world Kevin I got to see colors yeah that's true but some of us don't see color yeah exactly well oh hang on a second all right sam what's your guess i will concur with my colleagues i think on account of the spider man i love this i love how this is going uh of course number three having just won

uh oscar but didn't show up to accept it is sean penn and then uh number two uh great Jennifer Jason Lee, who's probably she's been turning up on some show or another pretty consistently, so she must be on something right now. And as mentioned already, the star Spider-Noir

Nick Cage is quite popular on the meter right now. So he is number one and we are still all tied up. Yeah, baby. We need you guys to have a disagreement here on this third one, but I am ready with a time break.

that will certainly settle shit, but you're not going to like it. Great. I'm excited already, Doug. You're not going to like what happened. All right. The film, speaking of not liking what happens, I don't know if anybody's a fan of this,

but it is Le Miserablese starring Hugh Jackman and Russell Crow. Oh, fuck. As the Bread Thief and the psychotic cop because he hunts a man down for all of his days

because he stole bread once didn't pay his time properly all right Dustin you're up first oh god shit dude I'm

I'm guessing there's no octopi in it so that's gonna hurt me I'm gonna say dude I don't even God, who is in that movie? There's probably some kid in that movie

who's big now. There was a kid in that movie. Oh, I don't know if the little kid I don't know if he's amounted too much to be honest with you. Oh, poor. He may still be acting, but you know what I mean?

I don't think he's somebody that's like, oh, that kid was in that? I don't think it was that. It's not Shalomey. Ask him for more soup? No, it's not Shalame. Okay. He's got a lot.

cockney accent, whoever he is. I think it was Anne Hathaway in that movie. I'm going to say the Oscar for it, actually. I'll say Ann Hathaway. Okay. Now we go to Sam. Sam the talking horse. I feel like she's always in something.

And so that's what I was thinking too. And I don't know. Now remind me how the game works. if I've forgotten some very important cast member that Kevin remembers, am I allowed to change my answer? No, you got to lock it in. Oh, man. Yeah. All right.

Yeah, I got to go. My God, I'll say Annie Hanthony. All right. So usually the tiebreaker is to break a tie between two people because usually somebody breaks ranks at some point. but the question is are you going to be that person Kevin are you also going to say Ann Hathaway

or do you have another man? You've got that big cruise ship talent show to go to also keep that in mind so you got to wrap it up I'm competing in it I know I mean I know this is going to sound like bullshit

but she was what I was thinking of when this got proposed I don't I've never seen it so I can't really dig deep and try and, you know, find the kid that asks for more bread who's famous now. Oh. So I got to, I mean, she's got the devil bears the Prada too.

She's got some other movie coming out. It's got to be Ann Hathaway, right? Right. I think I got to go with it and force the, the tiebreaker that Sam's going to hate. Yep. Yeah, because unfortunately, the tiebreaker is between two people. so I'm sorry to say Kevin

that you all get to participate in the title I don't no why not oh because I'm the third because I'm the third person to pick yeah oh ball sacks I'm confused never happened nobody's ever I haven't ever happened where everybody agrees

on all the answers but Dustin didn't agree on didn't he say Jessica Lang not for la miserab right no for tootsie oh yeah i think so oh i thought he went dustin hoffin as well but then you at last minute he said jesska lang you're right sam you've done it again yeah paid attention wow good job buddy got me with the technical right yeah no i totally threw down two points for uh for dust and for dustin i didn't uh I didn't take into account the last minute Jessica Lang rage that he went into.

I did go into quite a rage. It's sort of crazy like King Kong. You must edit that, Doug. Well, I got to take it out now. I'm going to look dumb. All right. So that means that it does come down to Sam and Kevin. Thank you for that, Sam.

And you get to go first. Basically, Kevin gets stuck with whatever you don't, whatever you don't say. It's something. What was the, what was the results? Oh, yes. Good call. Good call. It had a halfway win.

I mean, since it didn't affect the outcome of the game, I just moved on, but that's, you still want to get that information out there. Number three is Helen Abonam Carter for Leibiz. And I assume she's, people are looking up her name because of her departure, her weird departure from the new season of White Lotus such a story about that she got replaced with Laura Dern or not replaced, she left and then he

hired Laura Dern. So that I think is why she's getting so much attention. And then of course Anne Hathaway is number two because she's not only in the new Deverellar's Prada, but she's got some other thing that's coming out.

Oh my God. Fairly soon. Don't tell me. me number one's Hugh Jackman because I almost said Hugh Jackman. Well, it was right there. You guys, I'll have the option of picking Hugh Jackman or Russell Crow. But I guess Hugh Jackman's new Robin Hood movie, what's it called? Robin Hood was not a hero or something like that.

Piece of shit, he, P-O-S Robin Hood, is what called. Or, you know, maybe it's just misunderstood or whatever. But it's by Sarnovsky, the guy who did P.O.S. with no nick cage spider so i'm excited about it but also my excitement is tempered because the guy the guy likes a slow burn i think but um like sudden bursts of uh violets peppered with uh long slow passages but i can't deal with i can only watch it kevin costner robin hood you know that's fair that's every man has to take a stand and this is mine yeah because you're a patriot it because Robin Hood should speak with an American accent.

That's always the sense. Quick side now. Dude, I watched that movie with my mom, and whenever there's that scene where he's bathing in the waterfall and they show his butt, she covered my eyes. She knew what you were on. She knew what you were up to. Yep.

Yep, she really saved you. Don't look at the butt. She just didn't want you to watch her have a hot flash. Yeah. That's exactly it. It was her embarrassment. Like, she didn't want you to look at her. Okay.

Everyone is going to be thrilled and excited with the fact that number one is the, they're always entertaining, Sasha Barron Cohen. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. There's no way. There's a Netflix movie. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

What? Oh. It's on prime. I think he's in a thing called Balls Up. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. He's got a Netflix one, too, where he's like a gender-flips, he's a depressed man.

He's a woman. He's a woman to control the world or something. Yeah, I saw that actually. Okay. All right. These people with the things, multiple things coming out at the same time, you think they paste it out a little bit. Samara weaving.

Yeah, they really fuck up your games. Samara weaving has had a movie a month for the last three months. It's like, base it out a little bit. All right. So we got to do this. tiebreaker real quick. Great. Just comes down to Sam getting the right answer.

He misses back. Kevin is our win. Oh, boy. Yeah. There's a motion picture out right now called Back Rooms. Number one movie in the country, I guess. And the question is, which of its two stars is currently ranked higher on the meter, the star meter? Is it Chuitel Egyafore or Renata Rana?

Insvy. Oh. Which one of those two? Because they're both being searched because of that movie. Right. One ranked higher. I feel like it's women always rank higher. I'm going to go with Renata.

Tibbs don't you tell. That's just your life motto. Women always rank higher. Typically, NIMDB, I think women rank higher. Yeah. But obviously,

Sasha Baron Cohen throws that out the window, so I don't know. But that's just what my gut was. So that's what I'll go with having, It can't always be the woman, right guy. That's insane. But in this particular case, that's why you picked her. And that's why you are Sam Levine, master of Douglas movies,

because that is the correct answer. So Sam remains as champion. Can you come back next week, Sam? Probably. Okay. Who should I call shithead at the end of the episode? Oh, how about, oh, my pal, Rob Wrigal. Okay.

Yeah. I don't think he'll hear it, but all right. Yeah, someone will mention it to him. You know, he's probably busy waiting around for holy moly to get picked up. He's plenty busy. I sure he is, and I wish that show would come back so bad. I love it. Okay.

What would you like to plug, Sam? Oh, I have a real plug. I'm going to be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. next month at the Duke City RetroCon. Get your tickets now. They've got a super fun lineup of people. I will be there June 19th, 20th, and 21st, Duke City Retrocon, Albuquerque, New Mexico. I bet you every local hire for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul will be there.

Almost certainly. That is the thing. It's right there in their hometown. They could show up. There is. on that show. I assume they hired a lot of people, actors in the area.

I would assume there's well. Kevin Craft, the movie is called the second coming of John Cooper. That's right. It is available in places where you buy

digital stuff on June 9th. June 9th. Everywhere but Apple. But yeah, check it out. It's got Doug. It's got Dustin. Rob Cordy,

Brian Possein R-rated comedy they think people don't want to see those anymore so rent it prove them wrong Sam if you you're gonna be on next week when it's actually out so if you promote it I'll buy like

fucking 17 cameos I'll write you in the sequel done Kevin it's done consider it done Thank you that's legally binding June 9th I know he's in international waters it's not legally binding

God damn it oh shit Pirate law On a technicality again. But yeah, it was a tough road getting it here. It's been my lifelong dream to make a movie. Finally pulled it off at fucking 44 years old. So please, June 9th, check out the second coming of John Cooper. Right, but don't forget that you look 16.

And, uh, Dustin Ybarra. Yes, sir. Second coming of John Cooper. Check it out. June 9, 6. 9. But what's the other thing you mentioned earlier? Oh, ghosts.

Oh, yeah, I'm on, I'm on ghost and touring. Yeah, give that struggling show a look. Yeah, give it. I think it's on 70th season. Yeah. So that, you know, the network will see that, that dusty bump. That dusty bump. I do a lot of shows in the movie.

A couple weeks ago, Dustin and I were at a concert, and like every milford that place came up to him. They're like, you're in ghosts. It is a very milphy show, yeah. Oh, man. They know their audience. Oh, dreams do come true. I'm going to be doing stand-up at the Fundy Bone in St. Louis, June 18 through 20,

at Soul Joles in Putsdown, Pennsylvania, June 26 and 27th, and Douglas Movies is going to be, as it is every year, at the American Comedy Company in San Diego during the first night of Comic-Con. That's Wednesday, July 22nd. Separated mission required. It's not an official Comic-Con event. thanks again to Dustin Ebarra Kevin Kraft

and Sam the ma'am And as always Rob Holy moly wriggle is a shithead Now it's time for Doug To watch another Talkie eyes of gold

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