Doug Loves Movies - Kurtis David Harder, Jonathan Mangum and Clarke Wolfe guest

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

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Doug hates candy wrappers, screaming babies sticky seats with 50 ads and popcorn kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see because Doug loves movies. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. My name is Doug and I love movies. This is Doug loves movies recording on Sunday, November 30th, 2025, releasing on Monday, December, December, December. first. So if you're in the LA area, you can attend this month's Benson movie interruption tonight at Dynasty Typewriter. But more about that later. Let's get to today's guests. We've got two old bees and a newbie, as I like to say. And they are Curtis David Harder, Jonathan Mangum, and Clark Wolf. Hello. What up? Hey, Doug. Hey, Doug. Hi. Let's meet

all of you all individually and alphabetically by first name. She is a frequent and favorite guest on the program, writer, producer, actress, what doesn't she do? It's Clark Wolf. Hey, Clark. Hey, Doug. How are you? I'm so happy to be here.

I'm so happy that you have the clearest sounding voice I've ever heard on the podcast. Me too. It's incredible. That's Clark with an E. Wolf with an E, as you like to say. That's right. What's going on? What have you been up to?

Oh, my gosh. Well, I am out on the East Coast for, I've been out here for a couple of months now, just hosting some shows and doing some stuff. And I had a great Thanksgiving. I'm based now for the last couple of months right outside of Philly. And so, oh boy, oh boy, it snowed today. I hope we got a wintery mix and after being in L.A. for almost 20 years, it was, it was wild. It was wild to see. Yeah, it's a real change of pace, I bet.

It sure is, but, you know, it's good. It's good for now. Well, that's nice to hear. And, you know, I hope you to fare well in the games today. I know that you often find them to be too random. Well, you know, it's just so funny because I was thinking, I always go in the way way back machine and think about the before times when we used to do these shows like live all the time. And I don't know if it was the adrenaline or what, but I just felt like I used to be so much better at these games.

And now not so much. So we'll see, though. I always like that you keep asking me back. So I appreciate it. I think what happened there is the games, the games have gotten oddly, they've gotten harder and easier at the same time because there's harder questions,

but more opportunity to just guess. So that throws everything off. The good players end up feeling like they're bad, and the bad players end up doing great. Like, you just don't know which way things are going to go. But speaking of bad players, this next guest is not one. He stars on Let's Make a Deal with some guy named Wade Brady.

It's Jonathan Mangum. Hey, man. How's it going? I had the microphone too far down my throat. I'm doing great, man. I am enjoying life. Oh, good. And that microphone, apparently.

Right. Just chomp down on it. I just chomped down on it. So what happens to Jonathan Mangum this time? time of year you're on a game show that, you know, runs on TV September to May with new episodes every year. But have you bang them all out, as they say? Or do you have... Bang is the word I like to use when referring to my day job. Yeah, we knock out 176 and four months. So I've been on hiatus from that since June. Don't go back until January. So a lot of free time

to indulge in movies, video games, and other activities that a man over 50 should not be participating in. So January to June, you'll record shows that will run September to May. Yeah, pretty much. And then there'll be repeats on during the summer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the repeat summer, because I'll look and see, you know, what date it originally aired. And then I can usually look at my date book and be like, oh, yeah, I was on a plane during that one or whatever. Exactly, exactly. And I know whether or not to bother with it. Like, I would even notice, if episode was a rerun or not i mean i guess i would some contestants really and moments just sort of stand out in a way oh yeah i've seen this one before for sure for sure but that's you know

that's not anything for you to worry about that's my uh my cross to bear but i also hard life we all have i also was excited recently to appear on uh you and mr brady have a podcast together yes uh what uh Wayne brady's what if with Jonathan Mangum. I am with Jonathan Mangum in case anyone's confused. You're the what if. Like, what if Jonathan Mangum was there also? I actually thought about

you know how people in the business, they really want to have, like if you're in a movie and you want a lot of credit, you have and then your name, like and, Doug Benson. I want to change my first name to and Jonathan. That way whenever you do anything, you get your own and card. Oh, that's genius.

That's really smart. Yeah, I'm I've already had processed of having my last name changed to, or my first name changed to with Doug. Perfect. With Doug and Jonathan. Well,

how's that a podcast going? Because you, it's mostly improvised, right? Yeah, yeah. We bring people on and we just kind of just start riffing and then end up going down little paths of, you know, we start telling stories, They're singing songs, doing commercials.

It's completely free form. You did one. You were fantastic. And then we've had a bunch of Drew Carey was on. Aisha Tyler was on. We had just all kinds of people. It's been great. So hopefully we're going to do more soon.

Right. Well, that's the other thing. He's got a crazy schedule. He's a busy man. Just got on Mulan Rouge on Broadway. Yeah. I love that he just pops into Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing.

He's super talented. It makes me angry. He's so talented. But it's funny when you said that I was on and that the show goes down different paths, but when it comes to improv, I basically took each path right into a cul-de-sac. Well, no, dude. Right into a dead-ed situation. I don't want to give away a spoiler, but we were doing a little song, and then it was time for a solo, and you did the best and only bong a solo I've ever heard in my life. It was a perfect solo.

Yeah, and we should mention there was not a. bong in the room. No, no, no, no. You improvised and mime to bong from scratch. Yeah, I did it all right there with my mouth and my hands. Yeah, dude. Well, I'm excited to introduce our next guest because it's his first time on the show, and he is the writer and director of a motion picture called Influencers that is going to be in theaters on December 14th. It's Curtis David Harder. Hello, Curtis. Hey guys, hey Doug So super happy to be here

I'm up in Canada I'm a little jealous of all your turkey that you guys have been eating Oh yeah Well so Why couldn't Why couldn't you just go out And have a turkey meal anyways

That Really? This is why I need your help I don't have a Yeah I guess that is that is Pretty easy to do Yeah but you know

You'd have to call it You know you'd have to say I'm having a American holiday or whatever because because we don't probably not look too great to Canadians right now and I I totally understand and I appreciate you

joining us. Influencers is a sequel to your film Influencer. Yeah. Yeah, we shot the first film over in Thailand kind of in the middle of the pandemic and it was like this little movie that we kind of shot over a few months with a very small group of people. And it kind of follows a serial killer that kind of takes over the lives of these influencer travel influencers.

And yeah, the word of mouth kind of spread. And we got to come back and do another one. So the first one's going on Netflix tomorrow, actually. And then the next one is coming out in a couple weeks. Oh, okay. Great. That's a great way to be able to, you know, catch up to the story. because it is a same ongoing story from the yeah same characters and uh so i could i i think it's

kind of like uh cool that you were able to do like an alien aliens thing like where they just added the s for the sequel to having to have a stupid number on there yeah i think i think it's fun it's like a nice follow-up that that because of the nature of kind of both films they're they're very kind of like structurally playing with timelines and stuff so you don't know exactly exactly when the second one takes place. So it's a fun follow-up in that sense. Oh, okay. And then do you envision making a third one?

And will you, like the alien films, call it influencer? And then it was a tiny three. The tiny three. The tiny little mathematics three, which never really made sense, right? In the first place. Aliens cubed. Cued. Yeah, exactly.

Never understood that. But, well, congratulations on both films and for joining us today because, you know, a lot of people get intimidated by the movie trivia. How do you feel about movie trivia? We'll see. I think it depends on what kind, but no, I'm excited. Well, that's how I, you know, I try to say to people, because a good friend of this show, reaches out to me a lot when he's a publicist when he's working with a director or actor or somebody he thinks might be a good fit for the show i'm still always like well make sure that they know

that it's you know more game show than talk show and Clark's gone and uh and really up the pressure saying that's gotten super hard so we'll see we'll see how i do oh no don't Don't be afraid, Curtis, it's okay. Yeah, it's, it'll be fun. But in the meantime, before we get into the ultra-tense gameplay, let's just talk movie recommendations. I like to ask in every episode, each of my guests, to recommend one movie. And since we're, you know, now we're in it, the holiday season is officially upon us. So I would prefer a holiday movie, but it doesn't have to be a Christmas thing.

It could be, you know, any of the other holidays that happen around this time or just time of year, just something that does be good that you would recommend now. We'll start with Clark. Okay. Well, usually I recommend a scary movie. However, I'm going to switch it up a little bit this year. I, if you, for your audience, you know, maybe they saw it and they forgot about it or maybe they missed it when it first came out. But the movie, The Night Before, starring Seth Rogen, Anthony Mackie, and Joseph Gordon Levitt has become a must watch in my household every holiday season.

I absolutely love that movie. I think it's so heartfelt, really funny. And I've shown it to a couple of people. know, over the years, we're like, oh, yeah, I miss that one or whatever. And they, they all love it. So if you haven't seen it, it'll make you laugh. There's some good heartfelt stuff in there, too. And it's really fun. And so the three lead men, they all celebrate their own, they all have different versions of the year-end holiday. Well, they are buddies that go back to high school together. And so they have this tradition. Joseph Gordon Levitt's character lost his

parents in high school. So they do this thing every Christmas, the same thing every year. But they do have their sweaters. That is sort of like the imagery that everybody sees. So of course, Seth Rogen has a big star of David on it for Hanukkah. And, you know, there's a, there is talk of Blessed Kwanza and, uh, and Christmas, of course. But you know, what I really love about the night before is it is actually a quote unquote Christmas movie, meaning it follows the tropes. And of a traditional Christmas movie. It has some magical realism to it, despite being

somewhat raunchy and rated R. Let me ask you this, Clark. Are you excited about a very Jonas Christmas? Okay. Somebody was just telling me. This is so funny that you have that, Doug. I swear to you. Somebody was texting me last night, and they were like,

so you can judge me if you want to. It's fine, but I really liked the Jonas Brothers Christmas. Yeah, I was being kind of sarcastic there, but I really liked it, though. And I was like, listen, Joe Bros are for everyone. That's great. I'm glad you enjoyed that experience. The Jonas Brothers Christmas movie, very Jonas Christmas, is both better than I expected

to be and worse than I expected it to be at the same time. That's fair. that's i mean i can listen we contain multitudes stuck you know it's like hipper than a typical christmas movie you know like the dialogue is kind of snappy you know it's not it's not terrible but then you know but then they still just have to tell a incredibly trite uh story i do think that is the thing when you that's and that's actually the more and more time goes by the more i appreciate something like the night before for that exact reason honestly it is hard in this day and age to make a, like, actual Christmas movie that doesn't feel kind of trite and doesn't

feel, I don't know, and still is funny, but still is poignant and heartfelt at the same time. So, like, yeah, I totally know what you're saying. I totally know what you're saying. It's a hard trick to pull off, for sure. Yeah, but as far as these things go, though, it's, you know, I did watch it with the intention of, you know, probably mocking it and then ultimately i can't i can't say that much uh that much bad about it yeah as far as those things go it it moves along at a pretty good pace and is uh is cooler than most uh jonathan yes what are you got for us well at first i had a pitch for the jonas brothers

they didn't buy it but i thought it'd be cool if like you know it's like this christmas the jonas brothers you celebrate the love of christmas but one of them has to die And so the whole movie, they all know one of them has to die. And they try to figure out a way to keep it Christmassy, but also plan on which one to murder. And if they team up to murder, but anyway, it didn't go very far. So I'm sad to report.

Yeah, that's the shame that it didn't work out because that does sound like a better movie than what they ended up with. People would watch that. So my movie, when I think of the holidays, I think of being trapped in a house with people. And so this isn't really a Christmas movie, but it has the trapped element in it,

which is from the 90s. It's called the Trigger Effect. This is the V movie, and it starred Kyle McLaughlin, Elizabeth Shue, and Dermott Mulroney. And basically what happens is just the only thing that happens is the power goes out

and then society falls apart. That is the entire plot of the movie, basically. But it's very Christmassy because you're together with family and everyone's mad at each other. oh okay yeah I get it

I get it now but it's like I love B movies and this is such a good B movie it sounds like it kind of sounds like if the purge

happened on a whim yeah yeah kind of it's got purge power went out let's go ahead and purge exactly but you know

he's one of my favorite actors the guy's always great I'll watch him anything and Elizabeth Shue such a haughty Well, yeah, she's great.

And not to, you know, change the subject on you here, but have you ever seen the Kyle McLaughlin movie The Hidden? No. Oh, well, there you go. I'm writing this down. That's my gift to you. Ooh. Yeah, it's terrific.

It's really good. It was directed by this guy named Jack Scholder, who, based off the strength of that movie, you know, it wasn't like a big hit or anything, but it was well. regarded you know and based off the strength of that they uh he got to direct the second nightmare uh uh freddie kruger you know nightmare at elm street he got to direct the second one and then that's that's gone down his history in history because it was you know not only considered to be a a big yeah weird departure from the first movie but also just it's ultimately been like the the it's called like the gayest horror movie

which is in a complimentary way. Yes, of course. It's amazing. But the trigger effect, who is the third person? Oh, you said Duramoroni. Yeah. David Kopp, I believe, was the director. That's how you say his name, I think.

Okay. But, yeah, if you're with your family and you're looking for a family movie that's not really family, but is family, but is family, I recommend the trigger effect. Right on. Yeah, man. Curtis, are you ready? Yeah, I think Christmas movie that stood up to me. The holdover is my favorite of recent, but something that's kind of adjacent.

It's not exactly Christmas, but this movie called The Imposter, which is a documentary from about a decade, a little over a decade ago. And it's about this family that they lose their kid when he's really young. And like 10 years later, he shows back up. And it kind of integrates with the family, and kind of over the holidays, actually. why it kind of came to mind. And it's just this wild story that slowly unfolds that this guy that has come back as an adult. They finally found him may not actually be their son. So it's kind of one of the best documentaries I think I've seen in a number of years.

And just the way they unfold the story is pretty wild. And nobody's tried to make it into a like a narrative, like, you know, turn it into a fictional piece. they do it would work really well as one I think they they do some reenactments in a way that's that's that's very clever

so it's kind of a bit of a hybrid in that sense yeah the first I thought of six degrees of separation about the you know the young guy is based on a real thing where a young guy

you know just became a member of a rich family by it through a series of lies and stuff. Yeah, this one is, the less you know, the better it is going into it, but it's quite a, quite a twisty story about who this guy that comes back is. Well, that sounds, I mean, this, this sounds like an amazing triple bill for anybody over the holiday season, because they're not so directly all, you know, Christmas movies,

and they all begin with the word, the, which is terribly exciting. exciting as coincidences go. Thank you for those oh-so-jolly recommendations, and we will play some games after these words. We're back, and our first game today is a new one that I just made up.

It's called the chicken or the egg. Hey. You know, people are always asking, your witch came first the chicken or the egg and that's what this game is going to do I will give you

two movie titles start with Clark for the first round that we'll go to Jonathan on the next one and Curtis on the third one and I'll give you the two movie titles and then you have to guess which one

came out first this is a little bit of a nod to how quite often on let's make a deal you'll have several movie or TV titles and they'll make the people put them up in the years that they came out in which order and I always watch it and I'm just always terrified

for the contestants because it's to me that's a really hard thing to you know come up with it's tough I'm not good with you know what year Mrs. Downfire came out or whatever you don't want a card Doug You don't want a new car.

Exactly. That's what I love about that show, though, is that, you know, nobody cares if the contestant just turns and looks at people in the audience for the answer. Yeah. So it's fun to, but sometimes they get misled when that happens, too, though, and somebody gives them, you know, a confident wrong answer. All the time. All right.

So the first one with the most correct answers after, like, six of these would be our winner. And Clark, we will start with you. and this the name chicken and the egg will make more sense you once you hear the first two titles. Okay. Which movie came out first? The Ghost and Mr. Chicken or The Egg and I. Oh, my.

Oh, Doug. I'm going to say which one came first? Let's go. the egg and I is there any kind of logic behind that guess or it's just a wild stab just a wild stab well you did it that's the correct answer the egg and I came out in 1947 and the ghost and Mr. Chicken was from

1966 okay yeah all right great fantastic I can tell you pretty much nothing about the egg and I other than what a fun title and um a ghosty mr chicken was a don knott's comedy where he was uh scared of a ghost i'm not going to pretend that i knew that but i will say if you had asked me who was in that movie don knott's was the person like that kind of came to mind yeah he's just so he's just seems scared most of the time in any setting And so even when he's, you know, watching out over a Jack Tripper as a landlord on Three's company still looks a little on edge all the time.

Okay, so you did great so far, Clark. You're on the board. You got a point. Now we move to Jonathan. Okay. Which of these two movies came out first? a film called Men and Chicken

or a movie that's simply called Egg. Now we don't mean when did principal photography start because that would change my answer.

You mean when they were released is what you're saying, yes? Yes. Okay. When do these movies when do this egg come out? I'm going to say pretty confidently

that it's men men with chicken? men and chicken oh oh does that change my answer no men and chicken is my final answer is you say that came out before egg that's what I'm saying

the chickens before the egg you're saying that's what I'm trying to absolutely yes that is correct you did it really you really did it um egg I you know

came out in 2018 and then stars Christina Hendrix and the artwork, she's pregnant. So I just figure Egg has something to do with being about a pregnant woman. But then that was from 2018, but from 2015, men and chicken is another movie that I recommend whenever I get the opportunity. And it doesn't come often because it's a movie called Men and Chicken. But the great Mads Mickelson, a lot of people know from the head. TV series. He's, uh, he's, uh, he's one of the, the leads in men and chicken. And it is

one of the most, is the oddest and most just, it's kind of just disturbing. But in a fun way, it's really, it's a really weird movie. I can co-sign this recommendation because I saw it at a fantastic fest. I don't know if that's where you saw it, Doug, but, uh, it's a, it's a hoot. And Mads is fantastic in it. But it's wild. so good in it and it's so yeah it is such a crazy movie wow yeah it's about crazy things happening and crazy people and uh but it's also kind of gross um but uh you know throw that on after the uh after hidden i'm gonna watch the hidden

chicken oh god there's a wild double bill um okay so Curtis here's your first one all right so far there these other two killed it so see how you do which came first chicken little the animated film or hard-boiled

the action film I'm going to say hard-boiled that is a you're saying it because that is the correct answer John Wu's hard-boiled came out in 1992 and animated

was later 90s chicken little is 2005. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, see, now these were designed to be very difficult, and you're all batting a thousand currently. You've all gotten your first one correct, so don't slip up on this one, Clark. Oh, boy, I'll try.

Poultry Geist, Night of the Chicken Dead. Oh, gosh. Or Ghost in the Shell. oh okay oh boy um i'm gonna i'm gonna go poultry geist well may i ask well i guess you can't tell me because you know okay uh can you can you confirm is it the scarlet johansen ghost in the show yeah i could say that it's okay it's the live action not animation okay i am going to say then Poultry Geist came out first? Yes, by a mere

11 years. Poultry Geist is from 2006 and Ghost in the Shell, of course, we remember more recently the controversy of that movie. Also, I'm told it didn't turn out very good. I never saw it

either. There you go. All right. You did it again, Clark. This is now yours to lose. Jonathan? Yes, hit me. Which came first. Kentucky Fried Movie or the Serpent's Egg? Okay. I know Kentucky Fried Movie really well, but the Serpents Egg, I don't know. I mean, Kentucky Fried Movie was late 70s or no, actually mid mid-70s-ish, and I just don't know that other one. So, but it feels more modern to me. It feels like a moderny thing. So I'm going to say Kentucky Fried movie was the first, which is a great, great movie.

Because it feels more modern, it was first? No, because the other one, you've just confused me. Now I want to change my answer. Because I know it was 70s, and like the other one, so when did movies start? So I have 20 years of movies before the 70s for the other one, or like 50 years after to try to guess which decade. My math is off, but you know what I'm saying. So I think Kentucky movie, Kentucky Five movie, which was the Zucker's first feature, I believe, came first.

You know, it took us a second to get there, but that is correct. Oh, yes, yes. This is a wild one, though, because the separation between these two films, The Serpents Egg is like some sort of esoteric foreign film, I believe. Ingmar Bergman, I think. Or stars Ingrid Bergman. I always get those two mixed up. But mere months later, there's months

separate the two, but it can't take the right movie did come out first. Wow. Okay. You figured it out. This is perfect play so far on this game. I did not anticipate everybody doing so well. Maybe I should have given everybody three options instead of two. But Curtis,

for a three-way tie tell me which came first the chicken chronicles or a day in the death of Joe Egg I don't know either of these they don't sound great don't they both sound like

movies I should know about I think I want to go with Joe just because he's because of the title is resonating with me so I will I will guess that. A Day in the Death of Joe Egg was from 1972, starred Alan Bates.

I think it was based on a play that had had some popularity. And The Chicken Chronicles was like a sex comedy kind of like, you know, trying to fit in with like the animal houses and stuff of its day from 1977. So you were correct, Curtis, and we have officially a three-way tie in probably the only time we'll ever play the game, the chicken or the egg. Another thing to say about Chicken Chronicles is that I remember that I was proud of myself for remembering that it starred Steve Gutenberg before he caught on with so many. things diner and three men and a baby and uh the police academy movies all right uh so we officially have a tie clerk oh boy a three-way tie so to settle it it just falls on you okay what kind of rules are these crazy rules FCC does not approve of this but where you find

out what you get when you win oh boy it's not really uh it's not worth fighting on everybody will get a chance but uh the winner of this game gets to go first in the in the last game is basically the the only thing you get for it so it's not that big of a deal no pressure clark but if you get this one right you're the winner of this game if you miss it then jonathan gets gets to be declared the winner just because he's after you okay okay so are So arbitrary. White chicks or eight legged freaks? Oh, wow.

I think that, if I'm not mistaken, eight-legged freaks came out first. Came out before white chicks. Correct. That is my, that is my, the Wayans brothers. Indeed. Yes. that is correct oh boy you did it i'm glad you won that was a respectable win

you know and jonathan didn't have to have an embarrassing win and we and we didn't have to have curtis witness all the all the ugliness there was no chance for me anyways well there is in our next game because it's back to square one for everybody except for the fact that uh clark will get to go first And in the event of a tie in this next game, then she will, you know, be in the power position if it comes down to that. But which would be fun if that happened again the same way. And we're going to find out that's going to happen after these messages. We'll be right back.

We are back and Clark Wolf won the first game today. Clark with an E-Wolf with an E. What are we playing? What's the grand prize today, Doug? What's the big prize that one of us is going to go home with? One of you, I wish I had an announcer like you to, you know, describe it. But in my own words, one of you will have the option to return to the show soon. Oh, all right. You know, which works out great for some people because they'll have like, you know, they'll come on here to promote a movie that's coming out in theaters. Like, for instance, influencers on December 14th. And then a few months down the road, you know, as soon as two or three months from now, there might be another promotional opportunity when it appears on digital, you know, people can watch it at home.

So that works out nicely for filmmakers. But Clark will tell you, like, Clark's had a couple of streaks where she just keeps to come back and keep promoting her stuff. Nice. I just, I feel so fortunate, Doug. For those streaks. Thank you for those streaks. Oh, it's my pleasure.

So Clark gets to go first in a game that I call Weird Algorithm. This is a game based on the weird algorithm of the Star Meter on the Internet movie Database. What you can do on there, and I don't recommend it to actor, is you could take the cast list of any movie or TV show in this case we do movies I could take the cast list of any movie hit Refined

and instead of the cast being listed in their credited order they're listed in the order of their popularity based on the search engine and how much they're being searched so changes things in some cases and other cases it remains pretty much the same It's just whoever's being searched the most from any particular movie will grab that number one spot.

So I'll name the movie and then I'll tell you the two actors who genuinely are the top-billed people in it. And Clark will get to go first. Clark will get to guess either one of those two names or pick another one from the film. and if you're the person you name is first on the list that's worth three points if there's second on the list

it's worth two points and if they're third on the list it's worth one point and anybody else from the movie if they don't make the top three you don't get any points for that you can also share answers

you have to lock in your answer when you say it but you can also say the same name as somebody else if you want to you know comes a strategic thing of whether or not you want to have the same amount of points

for better or worse as somebody else. I think that's everything you need to know. So Clark will start with you with the first movie. There'll be like three rounds, and each of you will get a chance to go first once, and we'll flip the order around two. So Clark is up first, and then Curtis and then Jonathan.

Okay. All right. Here we go, Clark. The movie is holiday classic to some annoying melodrama to others. The Family Stone. Oh, I love this movie. Starring the aforementioned Dilbert Mulroney, Dermit Mulroney, and Delbert Mulhooney.

Yep. and Sarah Jessica Parker. But there's lots of other people in it. It's one of those big cast kind of holiday things. Yeah. But who do you think as of today would be the most popular person in that movie? So this is the game that really always trips me up because I overthink it. And Family Stone is a tough one because there are so many people in that movie.

But I am going to say Diane Keaton because she just passed away. Which is, you know, a legit reason to think that she would be, you know, people would be typing her name into the search engine. And also, a interesting time to watch, you know, if you're looking for an extra sad holiday movie. Yeah. Then you could be extra sad about Diane Keaton when watching this one. Great answer. Curtis, who do you think would be?

I think Mark doesn't, for sure, with kind of the recent news. But I will switch it up for fun and say Sarah Jessica just because of kind of in the spy. Just to, yeah, I think I'll try something different. people are always thinking about Sarah Jessica Parker one way or the other I know I am She's on people's minds

Everyone I know is still watching sex in the city Yeah What's it called now And then there were none No that's not And just like that Is that it? That's it

Yes yes And just like that It would be funny though To do a murder mystery With the cast of sex in the city Right they already got rid of Samantha Chea Che Diaz no longer is on the show.

There are so many people that are no longer on the show. Well, yeah, you're making Che Diaz references. You are deep in it. You really actually watch. There's about six people that are laughing at that really hard right now. Okay, so we got a Diane Keaton. We got an SJP. What are you thinking, Jonathan?

Well, part of me wants to say Louis Guzman, because he's in every movie, I think. But I think I'm going to do what I did in high school, which is cheat off the smart girl's paper and say Diane Keaton. I mean, you know, it's a solid answer. Yeah, it's got to be right. It's got to be right. And what's what's the worst that could happen to you by doing that? See?

See? I won't get into the college of my choice. Yeah. Number three. Let's start with number three. in the Family Stone was indeed Diane Keaton. Okay.

Top three. Rest in peace. So that's Clark gets a point and Jonathan gets a point. And then number two did not come up, but always a very popular actress. Rachel McAdams.

Oh, right. Was in there. And then that's part of the trick of this game is I only tell you a couple of the actors that are in it. So maybe nobody remembered the actress who has landed at number one because she's in a very popular thing right now

called The Beast and Me on I think Netflix, Claire Danes Oh wow Claire Danes is SJP's sister in Family Stone and shows up and fucks her husband or something That's wild that she's in the first place

Of those three That's wild to me Yeah she's just really really popular right now because of this show. I think it's the same people that made the Homeland show. But it's, you know, a different story and she plays somebody

that's really I get the impression she's quite paranoid. But I'm also confusing it with that pluribus show on Apple. It has Ray Seahorn from Better Call Saul. Yeah. Yes.

And also it seems like she's really acting up. I was going to say kind of a Karen character. Okay, so that's round one. Not a lot of points on the board, but so it's still anybody's game. And for our second round, Curtis, you get to go first. All right.

Who do you think is the most popular today as the cast of a tangentially Christmas movie? I think, called Eyes Wide Shut starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman I mean I think I feel like it's obvious but maybe there's a trick

but Tom Cruise with everything that's going on is always at the top of these lists so I think I'll have to go with him he's a pretty popular fellow I think especially just lately he's done something to really I've said it about him for years because I, you know, met him a couple of times. And it just feels, it doesn't feel like you're meeting an actor.

It feels like you're meeting a politician. That's funny. I mean, but Nicole does have those AMC ads. So I don't know. But I'll stick with Tom. Yeah, she's got, I thought you were going to say she's got AMC eyes for some reason. the magic of cinema yeah

okay so so Curtis is going with Tom Cruise what do you think Jonathan yeah it's just as tough it's hard to not say Tom Cruise but do more people look up Nicole Kidman

because she's pretty that sounded horrible I didn't mean just because she's pretty I mean because dudes want to look at pictures of pretty girls sure gosh now I gotta say Tom Cruise he's like

the top celebrity guy on the planet like there's who's higher than tom cruise in movie startup yeah it's a good thing you finish that sense because we're just who's hired in top three that's like you company excluded uh total cruise final answer yeah okay Clark what do you think about what these with these men are saying well you know I that's actually swaying my that's swaying my guess because Nicole of course is always in something right there's always something she's like she always has something coming out um but also she you know made some very big news last month with her the split from keith urban and but in my experience and what always trips me up is iMdb does skew kind of male i think um so i'm going to

stick with the boys and i'm also going to say Tom Cruz. Yeah, price skews, IMDB search engine price cues male because, you know, women don't know how to use computers. It's true. No.

We don't like movies either. You know, it's like one day we'll get our own computers and then we'll be able to use the IMDB star meter. Is that your final answer? Yeah, I'll stick with the boys and say, much like Top Gun.

We'll be hanging with, I'm hanging with the boys. Yes. I love this. This is like, this makes this round a complete wash because, you know, it doesn't matter one way or the other because you'll all get the same amount of points. But I will tell you that I imagine no one was going to come up with the person that is third on the list because it's hang on to something. Kate Blanchett. She apparently has an uncredited mystery voice in the movie. Wow.

Yeah. That is, that is, I was just listening to Karina Longworth's show about erotic 90s, and it like all culminates with Eyes Wide Shut, and she mentioned that. That is the thing about this. Like, I was like, it's not Sidney Pollock, you know, you know what I mean? But like, this cast is, I mean, there is, there are people in the movie. Yeah, there's a lot of Pollock heads out there right now. Not on IMDB star meter.

They are for the painter. Coming in at number two, of course, is Nicole. Kidman with their AMCIs. Yep. And, you know, everybody, nobody was tricked by this one. Of course, number one is Tom Cruise. Okay. He's out there, like, you know, now you see him showing up at cinemas and holding

popcorn. He's very excited about popcorn all the time. And he really is, he's really campaigning to get everybody to go back to the movies. And it seems to be working. I mean, you know, it seems to have some effect that he's such a strong pitchman for going to the cinema. We got one round left, and we've got Clark and Jonathan each have four points. Curtis has three, so it's anybody's game, and Jonathan, you get to go first on this one. Okay.

Every time Christmas movies comes up, for me, this one was just like, it's one of the most perfect Christmas movies. I could watch it every year. Didn't see it last year, so probably well this year. Elf. Yeah. Starring Will Ferrell and James Conn as the man incredibly annoyed by Will Ferrell. So this is a trick one, it seems like, because Tom Cruise felt.

obvious. We all guessed it. It was correct. Will Ferrell feels obvious to me, but you wouldn't do that twice, would you, Doug? I don't know what I would do. That's part of the fun of being me. Oh, man. I'm trying to think who the female lead was in that. He's Will Ferrell. He's the biggest comedy actor. Yeah, I'm going to say Will Ferrell. That's my guess. All right. And I bet you he's number two. That's my, that's my prediction. There's somebody else I'm thinking of. All right.

What do you think of that, Clark? This is tough. I'm also going over the supporting cast in my head. All these like little one-offs and cameos and things like that. But Elf is one of those movies that has truly become a synonymous with Christmas, you know? So like does not, so if I were searching Elf, yeah, I probably would be searching Will Ferrell. I, you know, I'm thinking of, gosh, darn it, this is hard.

Yeah. Okay. I'm also going to go Will Ferrell. All right. You know, you're not in a bad position here because if you force a tie, you get to probably have the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, winning answer, but let's see what Curtis has up his sleeve. Well, I feel like my, I have to, I have to pick differently because it's, it's my last

chance here. So I'm, I was also thinking about who, who else was in there. And like, Peter Dinklage has done a bunch of stuff as of late. If I remember, if that was, he was, he was the, the writer. And Zoe de Chanel has kind of disappeared. burn as much from her she's she's doing property brother things exactly so yeah she also when she shows up in something people are surprised you know people are surprised but i don't think she's they don't think she looks like she tracking intel data so i'm just going to say peter

diglitch as a as a as a as a bit of a wild swing because i think will pharaoh is probably still the top but but i have to have to i feel like i have to go elsewhere since i I'm that one point behind. Yeah, you might as well, right? Here we go. Peter, don't let me down. The other thing about Zoe Deschanel in this movie is that she, I think it's probably one of or the only thing she's been in where she's blonde.

That's true. She really is not recognizable, you know, like for someone who has such a strong look. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I love the Peter Dinklage Love. he's great and yeah i've been i've been seeing him pop up here and there because he was you know he did shakespeare in the park over the summer and so there's fun clips of him taking his bows and dancing around a fun outfit um so that's the the good news and the bad news is

that uh you you were right in that peter dinklage did make the top three but he's number three oh well okay that was a very good a very good guess on your part, so don't feel bad about it. And, of course, Jonathan really laid it all out for us that, you know, Will Ferrell should obviously be number one for Elth, but he is number two. Oh, I knew, yeah. He is number two. So what's it going to be?

Because of the current and much deserved, in my opinion, popularity of an actress named Mary Steenbergen. Okay, is that because she's on the show with, is she on the show with Ted Danson on Netflix? You don't know, he's got a new season of that just came out, but I don't know if she's on it or not. She's, she's got to be doing something right now to be more popular than Will Ferrell. But I don't know, you know, because Will Ferrell shows up in the, in the very Jonas Christmas in what feels like an entirely improvised performance. And that's not really a compliment. It's just a lot of him being enthusiastic about the Jonas brothers

and his whole, his actual kids are in it with him. Will Ferrell's actual kids. And he like treats him like he likes to Jonas's brothers better than them. So that's kind of funny. All right. So we, you know, we add it all up. And Clark and Jonathan are tied for the lead. And as I mentioned earlier, it's just going to come down to Clark's final guess.

It's going to decide this Christmas miracle. I do have to throw this in, though. I did guess the position, and I believe that's worth a quarter point. Is that not what it says here in the rule? Oh, no. Quarter point? Sorry, Jonathan's the winner. Wow, this is some real make it.

Go back to Let's Make a Deal, Jonathan. We just did make a deal, baby. This is Doug Love's movies, my friend. Not Doug Love's deals. No dealing here. No dealing. All right. All right.

So Clark gets to decide this thing by telling us there's a movie, a Christmas movie called Prancer. Yes. About, you know, one of the one of the reindeer. I'm not going to say which one. And the number one and two stars of that movie currently according to IMDB, are Sam Elliott and Johnny Galecki, but which one is number one of those two? They rank the top two.

Who's got more action right now, Sam Elliott or Johnny Galecki? Tough break for Prancer, not even in the top two. I wonder if Prancer gets any action because it's probably played by nothing real. I don't think there is a real reindeer. in there at all.

Maybe. Maybe there was. And it had a name. I love the movie titles. I mean, in the end credits when they list the name, the real name of the animal, you know? Yes, yes. Pooch was played by Wilbur. You know, that sort of thing cracks me up.

The poor dog gets so confused, being called the wrong name for three months. Yeah, an identity crisis for that poor dog, that poor reindeer. Okay. I'm just going to say Galecki. because of Big Bang Theory, which has not been on the air for many years. But I feel like he's in something or something or something. So I'm going to say, Galecki.

Yeah, he's, like, married to somebody that's known, I think. And he, you know, I think he sits around. Like, everybody's impressed that he's not in our faces all the time, and he's just enjoying that Big Bang money. I would be. You know what I mean? I certainly would be. He doesn't see.

desperate for work or anything. Nope, he seems just fine. But unfortunately, Clark, Sam Elliott. Wow. Jonathan! Yay! Star meter.

Because a land man? Is that why? Because land man just... Oh, Landman. He's on the new season of Landman. Taylor, Sheridan, you've gotten me again. Yeah. Moustache Man and Landman together again.

There you go. All right. There you go. So congratulations, Jonathan. mangan you do your your plugs first what would you like to promote uh i'm going to be with my good buddy wayne brady in los vegas in december 12th at the venetian hotel doing the make-em-ups and then check that out and then also uh as mentioned earlier our podcast uh wayne brady's what if with jonathan mangum is available on all the things nice and uh i'll be seeing you uh tonight

at Dynasty Typewriter for the Benson movie interruption we got you and Greg Proops and John Gabris and Amy Miller it's a fantastic line-off. Wow, that's going to be a great show.

Yeah, that's it, Dynasty Typewriter tonight. And people bring a DVD or a Blu-ray and then we find out what all the options are and then everybody votes and then we watch something that's usually something

bad. Clark Wolf, what would you like to promote? I'll just say that you can find me on Instagram at Clark Wolf, Clark with any, Wolf with any. Thank you so much for having me, Doug. Thank you for being with us. And Curtis David Harder, the movie is out December 14th. It's called Influencers.

Anything else you'd like to add? Yeah, just if you haven't seen the first one, it'll be on Netflix December 1st and then tagging up to the release coming up yeah yeah nice yeah watch that and then I've noticed a lot of sequels these days when they're

hitting theaters the first movie will show up on one of the streamers around the same time so you can really it's fun to be able to catch up or rewatch or whatever you have to do to prepare for the new one and if you don't

it still works on its own there they both work singly. Okay, yes, everybody forget what I just said. If you have to go straight to influencers with an est, and by all means, I'd do so. Very cool. Thank you for doing this. I'm going to be doing my 12 guests of Christmas episode

of this podcast, Douglas Movies, on December 14th at Dynasty Typewriter in L.A., and you can live stream that if you go to DioCy Typewriter, writer.com. You can purchase the live stream for the only 12 guests show we're doing this year. We're not going to do one in New York City like we often have

in the past. So check that one out on December 14th. And for all my dates and deeds and links, go to Doug Lovesmovies.com. Thank you one more time to my guest Clark Wolf, Jonathan Mangum, and Curtis David Harder. As always,

see what I mean? I could write a book. Now it's time for Doug to watch another talkie. Eyes of bold his viewing prowess makes him cocky. There's no room in his heart for you because Doug loves movies.