Doug Loves Movies - Raanan Hershberg, Austin Kolodney and Ellory Smith guest

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

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Doug hates candy wrappers screening maybe sticky seeds with 50 acid pop or kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see. Because Doug. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. My name is Doug and I love movies. This is Doug Loves Movies recording on Wednesday after noon, March 4th, 2026. And my guest today are, well, the one last. than I thought they were going to be.

One of my guests, for reasons I don't know about, and therefore I also won't say who it was, is completely ghosted the program this afternoon for I'm sure good reasons. But that means we have two guests today, but they are, in fact, an old bee and a newbie. So that is fun. They are Austin, Calandi, and Elri Smith.

Hello. Hi. Let's meet them individually, alphabetically, by first name. He is making his first appearances on the show, and during the pre-show discussion, I didn't even ask. I apologize for that. Did I pronounce your name right, Austin Kaladne? You did.

Thank you, Doug. Thank you for having me. Okay, good. I got it right. People must butcher it on occasion. It's often, yeah, I think growing up, yeah, I heard it every which way. One that always caught me off guard was when they say Clooney, and they just dropped it. They would just say Clooney, and I would, that would always tickle me.

That's really, yeah, that's doing some work right there to make that happen. You know, Clooney is a cool name. I don't know how to argue about that. Well, thank you for joining us for your very, first time I forgot to give you a proper intro because I'm so thrown off

by having one last guest whose intro I had to skip over he wrote I'll speak of you as if you're not listen to this he wrote the acclaimed Gus Van Zad movie Dead Man's Wire that came out

earlier this year tell us about that experience and how that happened. It was a script you had written and then somehow Gus Van Zayette got involved. That's right. Yeah, I stumbled on this true crime that happened in 1977 about this guy, Tony Kyritsis, who took the president of a mortgage company, Richard Hall, hostage, for like 63 hours, by rigging a dead man's wire or line, which is a. a shotgun to the back of Richard's head with a wire around his neck to the trigger of his own

gun and then to Tony's neck so that if any cop were to wrestle on a way, it would effectively kill Richard. And then he would call into his favorite local radio station and host this press conference at the end and was a really wild character. And I just felt it needed to be put on the silver screen. And yes, it was very lucky to get, you know, the legend Gus Van Zandt to direct it. which is a dream come true. Well, you are also a director,

so was there some point where you wanted to direct it or was it really just, you just wanted to get this script made by somebody? I wrote it with the intention of it, like getting in the hand, like it being my like, you know, true romance or natural born killers or something and getting it in the hands of a big director

and learning from them. But there were time, I mean, it was like a six-year journey and there was definitely times where it wasn't picking up steam and I did try to like wrestle with the idea of like, oh, how do I mean? make this maybe a little smaller. Maybe I could try to direct it. But no, ultimately it came to

fruition as it was intended, which was with a big legendary director who's done a lot of my favorite movies in the director's chair. Yeah, that's got to just be a crazy feeling. And speaking of crazy feelings, I really felt for the two actors that you described what happens in the film that that kind of acting is so exhausting that, whether whether you're being, you know, held at the end of a wire or whether you're holding the gun. The whole contraption is so awkward and it seems to be like a very frustrating thing to the apparatus for those two actors to have to deal with for, you know, full days. It was. Bill Scarsgaard and Dacre Montgomery play the two gentlemen and they, yeah, they were troopers because it was one, a lot of it's like marching in the streets of Louisville, Kentucky during like a blizzard.

So it was very cold. And they're in like short sleeves and linen shirts and having real wire around their neck. Like that was not fake wire. That was real. And I think Bill likens it to like having a dance partner a little bit, a day or two. They said like not only are you emotionally like having to be on the same page for the scene and play off of each other.

But like physically like you have to like move at the same time or else you both fall. And yeah, no, it was a. It was great to watch them bring it to life. I mean, just, you know, just as a viewer, I was just like, oh, man, that is, you know, I mean, obviously, this, also the situation is very tense, you know, the whole time. So it's, you know, fascinating to watch. And I was also wondering about this movie. It is the, it's called, they call it the Dead Man's Wire, the device he has holding the gun to his head. but, or to the back of his head.

But was that the title of your script from Jump? Or was there a change to that at some point? The initial title one, it was like a spec first going around, was just the guy's name Tony Carritzis, because he's just such a loquacious character. I definitely like, yeah, I was writing it around Tony because he's the loudest and kind of most interesting in many ways. But then there was a few different iterations of the film with different directors.

And one of the directors did suggest Dead Man's Wire because people did have a hard time pronouncing Tony Caritzis, even to this day. Yeah, yeah. He too, he too, like a similar to my name, starts with a K and is not the easiest to pronounce. So I understand. Well, that's what I appreciate it about the title Dead Man's Wire is it just feels like, you know, it'd be so easy to just. go with something that just more describes the overall situation or like you say the names of the

individuals involved but anyway I had a great time with that movie the second time we went to the theater to see it because just a personal anecdote to tell you about my absolute passion for film I

went to a screen one like you know I love to go the ones in the morning I went to the Grove the AMC there and the movie starts and there's subtitles at the Grove in L.A. Yeah I bet as subtitles in English that's that like at the very beginning of the movie are like tire screech dog barks oh I get it it's the open caption one yeah sometimes they do those in the matinee hours. Yeah. Yeah, I understand.

And it's clearly labeled open caption. You know how every movie at AMC when you're going through all the movies says closed caption next to it. Because that's available. Closed captioning is available to any customer who wants it. But open caption is different and I didn't catch it. And so the first thing I do like a dumbass is I go to the lobby and I'm like, hey, is the manager. around or somebody that can deal with their showing a version with subtitles and then the guy was very polite about well that's

we're doing that on purpose yeah we're doing that for a reason and I was like okay well I appreciate that that exists and I do not want to watch this movie with words at the bottom telling me a dog is barking so yeah so we had to try again the next day but we did we committed to coming back the next day and loved it. Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah, no, I understand the conviction if that was going to be something. Yeah, if I wasn't expecting open captions, that would, my eyes would drift to the bottom of the screen, probably. Yeah, I mean, if I was in the mood to read everything, you know, but also, it'd be nice if it was the actual, like, just the screenplay, you know, but I did not write those, yeah, I did not write those open captions, so I don't know how accurate they are. You know what was interesting in, Ellery, you saw this as well. In Venice, Italy, where it premiered, all the captions were in Italian.

And I was, which my, my eyes didn't have to trickle down to it. Though they did at times, I'd be like, oh, I guess that's... I didn't even notice that. I like in my memory, I don't even remember there being captions on it. Because they're in Italian, so I couldn't read them anyway. I was just kind of... You know how, like, you can sort of blank those out when watching... I blacked out pretty much the whole, that whole experience of that.

premiere I kind of blocked out, but I did remember being fascinated with like, oh, that's how that would, that sentence would be spelled in Italian. Look at that. Yeah, I really, I get caught up and stuff like that if it's happening. I, you know, for the most part, it can either add like an extra layer to the experience or give you something to do if it's a boring movie. Like it's, well, at least I consider trying to learn some of these words and see how they're spelled. You got to get something out of a boring foreign film. She is a regular guest on this show. You're already heard of talking. And we've already somewhat established that she is friends with Austin Kalladne. So that's how we got him on the show. It's Elri Smith. Hey, Elri.

Hi. Thank you for having me. It's my pride and joy. I love it so much. Well, that's good. Sometimes I'm really good. Sometimes I'm really bad. Well, you know, I appreciate the, just the,

the enthusiasm for it and, you know, the fact that I can contract you, like, you know, with short notice and if you're available. Well, you don't need to brag that I'm too free. I feel like that's, I listen, guys, I work, you know. I get booked on stuff. I said, I said, if you're available. Which is almost always. Yeah, but that's like, you elaborated, not me.

So true. But yeah, but thank you for being available. and I certainly put it together that like you're the you're how I got introduced to that you're how I found Austin so you know made sense well why not just ask her to be on this particular episode and the two of you since we are a third guest list are going to have to go head to head in the games the games that I've created for today and it's it's going to be interesting because like you're kind of like movie jigsaw. Yeah, but I like three players because then there's more chances for variations and things, you know, think someone to luck into an easy question or, you know, accidentally step into a harder one. But we'll worry about that shortly because before we do that, I would like to visit what I've been calling for, I don't know how many years now. I call it Recommendation Nation where each of my guests recommends one movie. but I've suddenly now when I look at it and when I say it, I don't like, I am not a fan of the word nation.

You know what I mean? Just because I'm really going on in the world right now. Yeah, it feels political. Yeah, it feels political. Listen, there are many nations that are not involved in any of this. It doesn't have to be the American nation. It's true. There's lots of great nations.

But the nation's relations with one another right now is tense and frustrating and in many senses. unnecessary. So I'm going to suggesting, I'm pitching to you my first guest to hear this, a switch for this segment. And I want to start calling it Recommendation Station. Ooh, I like that because it's a stop along the way. Like the train is pulling in to Recommendation Station. You better hop on with a great movie recommendation or we're going to throw you out like

a bum with a sack at the end of a stick. Perfect. Or like a radio station. This is tune in for the recommendation. Oh, my God. Wow, that's a good one. This is what happens when you bring a professional screenwriter into the mix.

Can really punch this shit up. All right. You're up first, Austin. Please recommend one movie. Okay. The movie that I will recommend. There's two from a first time director debut, but I'll pick one that I saw in theaters recently

that I really enjoyed was the plague. I think Charlie Pullman. I want to see that so bad. The plague. Yeah, I saw it at the Alamo draft house in downtown. And it's a coming of age, but with like elements of like kind of a Kronenberg body horror thing about this kid who's like a water polo player. And there's like a mysterious, I guess, plague that another, you know, kid on the team. It's about youth.

It's about boys. like all around like 12, 13 years old and it really bubbles up a lot of anxiety from youth and how these kids interact and bully one another. And I thought it was very confidently directed and had a great score and was, yeah, just had some great performances. Yeah, no, they got like the kid that's like the main bully is pretty incredible. Just met the way that, yeah, the little blonde kid, the way like if one character says something and then he just repeats it back with a little smirk, it just, it cuts like a knife. that kid was perfect as that character. I'm glad you saw it.

Yeah, he really was channeling like Rachel McAdams in Mean Girls. Yeah. But younger and a boy, so it's really wild. Yeah, the plague is I don't know how I feel about that title, especially because I first had a chance to see it at Fantastic Fest in Austin.

Austin and it was you know that's this genre festival where like most of the movies are pretty messed up the shit that happens in them and that's kind of how you get into that festival and the audiences love it and so just the fact that it was called the plague I was like oh my god this is going to be

this is probably going to be brutal and then it was brutal in ways I didn't expect so now I'm back on thinking that is a good title yeah no it was uh it was emotionally traumatic like the I mean they had like kind of full metal jacket kind of like the first act of full metal jacket kind of I feel like was an influence on it you know Gus Van Zand was the one who recommended the movie to me so I was like okay I want to go see that if that's what Gus says I should go see and there's almost shades of elephant as well and yeah he just I don't know I thought I was really confident and a while it's

fun to, I don't think I watched the trailer. I think I went in blind. I think that's always a fun way to see a movie. But, I mean, there's every once in a while there's a movie, like, well, of course, you, like, when the trailer for, because I'll avert my eyes or leave the room during the,

if I can get there too early, you know, in a theater and they're showing trailers, because I just, I just don't like watching a trailer before seeing the movie it represents. And so, but so, so, so, or if it's one, those theaters where they have them house lights are practically up. I'll just look at my phone during it or whatever.

But I was laughing yesterday because I didn't have to look away from the Michael Jackson trailer because it's like, well, there's no spoilers in a Michael Jackson movie. I know the whole story all too well. You know, the only spoiler will be everything they leave out. I don't think I've seen the trailer yet. I know that is it, is it,

is it, is it, is it, I'm directing it? Yes, it's Fukwa, which also, like,

cracked me up when I saw his name at the end because I was like, you know, he's, he's a really, he's an action director

typically, but he's obviously can handle drama like he directed Denzel and Training Day. Right. But most of his movies are action-y,

which, I mean, I guess, we'll see. We'll see how he does with, you know, because choreography

should be a big part, of a Michael Jackson movie. Ellery, what's your... 20 minutes later. What would you like to recommend? Mine's an old one that everybody has seen, but I've re-watched it this weekend, and it really holds up. I watched V for Vendetta this weekend,

and it, like, takes place after a plague, and America falls, like, to a Civil War, and obviously it takes place in England, and it was just like, damn, they got us. They called it. well look at the two of you coming in with these cheery recommendations my i had a follow-up but i wanted to be adhering to the rules of one movie i had another direct

listen i'll go see hoppers this week and i'll love it and i'll come back and that'll be my next oh my god hoppers see are you a fan of wee bear bears i heard i just learned today that it's the same writer yeah same creator dude so it's just it's just gonna be adorable but also with like a slight edge. Yeah, I heard that they like modeled, the director modeled the action scenes after Mad Max. And I was like, okay, I'm in.

I got to go see it. Yeah, no, he's really good at that Bears show. He'd do lots of scenes with these bears, but they'd basically be recreating the same frames from famous movies. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay, so, but let's not forget about V for Vendetta. The most beautiful woman in the world will still be quite beautiful when she

shapes her head, but I still can't get there. I can't. There's no... To me, there's no example of, oh, she looks better with her head shaved like that than she would with hair. I don't think that's what the movie's about. But that's all I've got. That's all you can think. How old is it now?

How long has it been around? God, what, 20 years? She's like being tortured and you're like, I just don't think it's hot anymore. I could have told you my thoughts about Guy Falk's masks. Oh my God. Yeah. Those are still a thing all these years later. But I feel like the stock in those has really dipped.

Like now it's like in cells who I think rock them. Or I guess Anonymous is still doing it. But I feel like Anonymous doesn't really exist anymore. They're like, that's probably the feds by now. I'm also over the mask thing. Like there's now, there must be 40. slasher, you know, serial killer movies where the killer has a specific scary or sometimes not scary and that makes it scary.

The best one to do it was sugar and spice. Sugar and spice, I think, has the best use of any mask in any movie. Okay. It's like a Richard Nixon mask or maybe it's Ronald Reagan. No, it's Richard Nixon, right? In Sugar and Spice? Yeah. Or the cheerleaders like Rob the Bank.

That's a great question. Maybe they're more than one. You know, that was probably an homage to the burglars in point break all where, all were different presidents, right? Presidents, yeah. They even call themselves the presidents or the dead presidents. Maybe they weren't all dead. I think they might have been. Yeah, it might have been the dead president.

But whatever. But, you know, those are, yeah, those are examples of, I'm talking. talking about like, you know, where the killer just has some dumb mask that they wear every time they kill somebody and then you finally, they finally rip it off at the end of the movie. Those masks, there's no, none that scare me anymore. I'm back to the clowns are the scariest than any mask. You know, like that guy, the terrifier guy. I've not seen the terrifiers, but that does, it has a really unappeal.

face, which I guess is the point. Yeah, I haven't seen any of them. And then you see the guy that plays the part with the cloud makeup off, and he's got a big grin on his face, and it's like, oh, he's just, that's just a scary face. He just has a scary smile.

I mean, I guess also it depends on, you know, if you didn't know he was a serial killer, maybe it wouldn't be so scary, but I already know that about him. How long ago was V for Vendetta, do you think? I don't know. I'm going to guess like two, do you think it's, it has to be done after 9-11.

I mean, I guess 2004. I was going to guess that. 2004, 2006, maybe. Yeah. So I guess I missed the 20-year celebration anniversary, but it feels like now everything that's old has these anniversaries. I got sent to thing in the mail that the Brit box, the streaming ceremony. Oh, yeah, the British. Yeah, they're having, it's their ninth anniversary.

So they sent out, they sent me a bunch of crap going, yay, it's their ninth anniversary. I'm like, what a weird one to celebrate? Like, just wait another year. Okay. I went to a Little Miss Sunshine 20-year anniversary with my mom. It was lovely. It was a wonderful time. That movie just seems like a timeless classic.

It is. Like what would change in the world that would make that movie still not great? You know, like it doesn't it doesn't even really have that much about the time period in which it's set. Oh, that's a good barometer. Yeah, like anything in the world could happen and it would still be sort of a perfect little, because it's like a family movie. Yeah, and it's still weird to be hypersexualized in a child's pageant, but also not unlikely to still happen. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's another one that I just like, you know, couldn't stop thinking about how great it is because Bud Court died is Harold and Maude. Oh, I love that movie. It's so perfect. It's like, it's really kind of like a ASMR movie. It's like, and then him like staging the ways that he's going to kill himself, I always thought that always just really hit me in such a beautiful way growing up. I was like, oh, so like lovely but dark and just trying to get his. Parents attention. Yeah.

Perfect movie. Simple and also does not get their attention at all. Like, it's just, it's amazing. And, you know, I have a theory, like, certainly there's movies that suck that have lots of short scenes. But, like, three of my favorite movies of all time, there's never a scene in the movie that's more than, like, two minutes long or, you know, three minutes, if it's really, like, or maybe a montage or something.

But, you know, like, there's something about. being able to keep a movie moving at that kind of clip, it doesn't seem to happen very often. And I'm not going to tell you what the other two are, because we've got games to play, and we're going to do that right after this break. We'll be right back. Today's episode is brought you in part by Shopify.

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join the hundreds of thousands who've already streamlined their finances with Found. Back to the show. We are back, and the first game today that Austin and Ellery were going to go head-to-head-in is something that I call, whose tagline is it anyway? The Napa Boys Edition. Are you familiar with the Napa Boys? I just had the pleasure of seeing the trailer recently, and I've heard murmurs of it. And I also listened a little to your last episode with Paul and everyone talking about Napa Boys.

And that trailer looked so specific, and I'm very excited to see it. Yeah. I mean, I think that's one of the requirements for enjoying Napa Boys is being excited to see it. Because I feel like the average person that may not be much of a comedy connoisseur or certainly does not get like anti-comedy, like somebody who doesn't think Tim Idecker is funny, like that kind of, I could see them just,

that movie would be torture to, to that kind of person. So Ellery, do you know the premise of Napa Boys? Yes, I do. And I am also very excited to see it. Well, for everyone, I'm just going to say,

because this is how this game is going to work. The, because it's, Napa Boys, the premise is that it is part four of a series of films that doesn't actually exist. So everyone in the movie is making references to things that happen in the first three installments that make no sense or, you know, make little sense. But it's funny because you know that it's just them just trying to make the movies connect in whatever way they can. And so anyway, it's the last time we spoke about this movie on this show, I hadn't seen it yet. And I got to see it over the weekend, and it's extremely entertaining.

But also, you know, it's kind of like at points you'll be laughing because you're thinking about someone just watching this movie and thinking and wondering what the fuck is going on. you know like and they're and they're selling it as it's part of the sideways expanded universe right is that yes yes they're in salveg and it's you know it's just like a horny dude and his buddies and uh you know uh it's it's very sideways because uh there's a constant refrain in this movie as well about uh how terrible merlo is and it's it's but that's the thing it's like I don't know how much are you know having

knowing sideways does make it funnier but at the same time it's just it's just a movie that just deals with the tropes of uh of terrible comedies like they were inspired but I think initially by the American Pie

movies especially once they started making ones that just were like straight to home video or you know TV TV. I'm happy the spoof movie is back. I love a spoof movie is back. I love a spoof movie. I'm excited to see a second wind of them. I think it says it's good for the culture. This is so like a low key under the radar spoof though because it's there will be, I'm looking forward to reading about it more online. There will be people that just do not get it.

Even the, even the marketing was so incredibly niche with it. Because I think it's Magnolia. They're like, from the studio that brought you infomaniac part one and part two. it's so good yeah and they've got like you know they drive the Napa boys have this stupid wine wagon that's like there's a bunch of grapes on top of a station wagon

and and there's replicas you know there's facsimiles of that in movie theater lobbies that people can sit in and take their picture so it's just it's just looking like a completely different kind of you know they're selling it as something that is absolutely not and that

is also funny like it's really, it's a, it's really like a practical joke of a movie. And there's parts where I was laughing so hard and other parts where I was like, okay, I get that you're really trying to slow this movie down to a crawl because it's funny that it has to be like 90 minutes long, but there's just not enough story. You know, like they do, at one point they do a montage. It's like way longer than a typical movie montage. It's hilarious.

It's very layered. And like we were talking about this last week on the show. Like one of the critical remarks in the promotion of the film is just saying like this movie has, you know, cult movie written all over it. And it's just like so wild to call something that, you know, long before you can officially call it a cult or a cult movie. But, you know, you could just see the writing on the wall that some people are going to. get it and some aren't. So in this game, Austin's going to be first.

I am going to tell you the tagline of a movie that was the fourth in a series of movies, the fourths in a franchise. All you have to do is name the franchise because I don't expect you to remember all the

final chapters and other things that they put in the subtitle. all you got to do is get the franchise and it's always the fourth part if Austin misses and Ellery gets a shot at it and if Ellery misses we'll just move on to the next one we'll back to Austin

you ready Austin yes okay the tagline is no way back period one way out period the fourth in a series of films saw Oh, I don't hate it.

That seems like that would work. That's also part of the fun of this game. Is that I don't think there's one of these. Well, there is one, but most of them could apply to multiple movies, especially the fourth in a series when ideas are running dry. But no, it is not saw. Ellery, what do you think it is? Can I hear it one more time?

No way back? No way back. One way out. No way back. Which is, you know. One way out. How I describe most of my meals. It's not entirely true.

No way back, one way out. There's not like a future for, is there? What's that? Is that there back to the future four? No. They didn't get there. It's just a perfect trilogy. If you're okay with Westerns.

And I'm not. Yeah. No, that's going to be my guess. I'm going to have to pass on this one. What is it? That's a tough one. You know, it's, as you'll see, you can maybe, you know, guess more on future rounds because it's, you know, so many movies.

They're just so generic about it. But this particular one was John Wick, Chapter 4. Which I can't, you know, I'm waiting for them to get all the chapters in because I think he's going to be a great book someday. I'm trying to think how that, because I did see John Wick chapter four. He goes up those stairs to meet Bill Scarsgaard, who's French, and then has the duel with him. So I wonder how that applies to the film.

I guess he got out. That was a great example of success when he was falling down the stairs. That was getting up and falling down and getting up and falling down. That was so brutal. It went on for way longer than it needed to. but that was that started to be part of the fun you just started laughing at how how long is this fucker gonna roll down the stairs okay and then the other scene where they're driving right driving around the arc de triumph for like 20 minutes smashing into each other that was pretty amazing too okay nobody's on the board but still anybody's game

Austin. What part four in a series had the tagline only the technology of the future can save what's endangering the past. I don't know if they use the numerical

when they reboot it. Is it Terminator? It is not from the Terminator series. But, boy, I sure does describe several of the parts. Probably.

all of them. Elery, what's your guess? Is it a Jurassic, like, Park Jurassic World movie? That's another great guess. Only the technology of the future could save what's in dangering the past. Yeah, that's, I mean,

that's looking at it, like, they really are going to help the poor dinosaurs and not just exploit them. Yeah, I guess that's not really. Yeah. I want to see the Jurassic World, would they unionize? This was, this was like they wanted to save

save whales and it was the Star Trek Oh like Free Willy? Oh. Star Trek the voyage home from 1986. They were trying to save some endangered whales by going back in time with technology from the future. Space whales are just actual like earthbound water whales. I've not seen it.

Water whales. They're even like they're like the whales at an amusement park and this lady want, you know, is protesting in the amusement park because they're dying and then they die. And then she, she meets Captain Kirk and he's got, he's got a bone for her. So they figure out, we got to go back in time and save these whales. I went to space whales. Remember those, remember those folders that you would get?

Is it Lisa Frank? It was basically dolphins and whales floating through like the, you know, the universe. Yeah. I didn't know if that was the type of whale. But no, it's just a regular, like, blackfish situation, I guess, right? Yeah, well, this was, you know, this was before blackfish. So it was all peace and love with the trainers and the whales. And, but I always forget, but I just, what I came up with in its place,

it's like kind of a Mandela effect is, I swear the whales have silly-ass names. And so what I say is that their names are quirky and sparky. Round three, Austin, pure evil never really dies. Pure evil never really dies. What franchise is that from? I'm going to go, I just see the DVD at Blockbuster of Chuckie's Face, maybe. Chuckie. Is it a Chuckie film the fourth in the series?

No. Great guess. I'm striking out. I'm striking out on these. You're here to guess. You're here to guess. Like, you don't have to worry. I'm not going to tighten that wire around your neck.

Thank you, Doug. Ellery? Is it a Halloween movie? Like, is it one of the... Oh, my God, that would be perfect for one of those, right? But that's not the right answer. God damn it. This is a tough game.

It's a nightmare on Elm Street part for the Dream Master. But yeah, this is a, you know, a game where good guesses are wrong. It also tells me that like taglines don't serve a huge purpose. It tells me nothing about the movie. Well, you know, some are also more on the nose, you know, like a lot of the ones for especially part four of Nightmare and Elm Street are just all about Freddie. You know, Freddie isn't daddy and stuff like that, you know. Oh, yeah. Well, I think it's also, it's the number and the franchise that you're starting to run into some generic tagline.

I think a lot of great movies have good, yeah, yeah. You burn the good taglines on one and two. On the first three, yeah. by number four you're like digging deep in the bag yeah yeah all right well this is number four in a series of films and you just have to know this series of films to get this one austin because the fourth film in this franchise said look out here comes the biggest bond of them all that's so unfair which one is the fourth jays bond movie austin Well, I don't know the exact one.

Yeah, so you got to just. But now are you playing the series? Is there like some kind of spy spoof movie that is, well, I guess they wouldn't even have the rights to the name bond? Well, I guess it's the James Bond franchise. There was a movie with James Bond in it called Casino Royale that was before Sean Connery, but that people don't really consider that. That's not part of that series. So you don't have to worry about that.

Just which one, you know, basically you just have to think of, well, what was one of the early ones that was maybe around the fourth one? From Russia with Love? Is that your final guess? I didn't realize we didn't, I thought we'd just say the name of the franchise. I didn't know we had, I guess, 007 is the name of the franchise? No, this one I want the specific title, I'm sorry, because I'm telling you, It's the fourth James Bond movie.

So that's, with that information, I'm not as well versed in bond, but my mind is racing that if you were to make a sequel to Napa Boys, but make it a kind of like a Wolf of Wall Street margin call, like Wall Street Finance kind of fourth sequel. That could be the tagline for that. Money ball for. Oh, securities and bonds. I guess I'll just, yeah, I guess I'll say,

not cold fingers. Yeah, from Russia with Love. From Russia with Love, I believe, in fact, I know, because I'm kind of nerdy about it. For Russia with Love is the second movie in the series. Do you know which one was for, Thelry? I'm going to guess you only lived twice. Oh, amazing guess. That was the fifth one.

Number four was called Thunderball. Nobody's ever heard of that one. This is a very... Yeah, nobody. 23 movies later, the Thunderball ratio is very, very real. It's real. All right.

I mean, I don't blame you for not knowing what Thunderball is or was. It's also just... That was also a turn into like... Goldfinger was kind of silly. The villain was called Goldfinger, and that's what the movie is called. But then to go from Goldfinger to Thunder ball. It's like, okay, you don't want

us to take these movies seriously at all. And they just got sillier and sillier over the years. All right, round five. If someone gets this one right, you win the whole game. Austin, you're up first, though. What movie, what fourth movie

had the tagline? Get ready to hit the road. This might be the toughest one, in my opinion. I don't know. Is there a is there a mad max? franchise edition that I don't not aware of

I don't know That would be the funniest That means such a funny tagline For a crazy ass mad Max Maybe hit the road Okay, can I just say the I don't know The one of the fast and the furious

No, that's a good guess I feel like that's fun Wouldn't they say again though or something? Sounds like the change is happening Well two is too fast, too furious The third one is Tokyo Drift, which probably doesn't really... I don't even want to know what the tagline is for that one. Early odds probably doesn't fly today.

And then, yeah, I don't know. Four is just called four. Fast four? What's that? It was just called... It was just called... It should have been fast and four, I think. It should have been fast and forius.

Okay, what's your guess, Elery? Is it like a road trip movie? is it like like is there are we there yet for? It's time to hit the road. Yeah. Or it's a boxing movie.

Somebody goes on the road. Somebody goes, is it like a Cheech and Chong movie? It might as well be, but it turns out it really was a change in the series because you're

used to seeing them mostly in Andy's bedroom. It's Toy Story 4. Wow. Yeah. Insane. All right.

I've got a tiebreaker because you're both tied at zero. Austin, this one is supposed to be easy. So good luck to us all. What movie, what franchise fourth movie had the tagline? Chucky gets lucky. This is a ringer. This is, I'm protesting. Now I want to dip back into Chuck.

Chuckie. I'm going to say Chuckie. It is a Chucky film called Bride of Chucky. But maybe the second or first best Chucky movie, in my opinion, featuring a young Catherine Hegel is the girl that just does dumb things to try to get away. And Tilly, Tilly. Tilly does the voice, right? Yes, Jennifer Tilly is a great bride of Chucky. Yes. She does a great job.

So congratulations, Austin. basically by default you pulled off this win by first name only I feel well yeah no because it's an advantage to you Ler you get you get me to burn a franchise and then once in a while at the end yeah

I wonder what is the tagline for Rocky 4 the Russia one you know probably just something about you know something stirring up the tension between Russia and the United States Yeah, it's probably like this time Rocky fights You're evil, I don't know I don't know if we

You know if we knew the name Drago before the movie came out Like, you know, like if they used it in that promotion at all But congratulations, Austin All it means is you're going to go first in our next game That we will play after these messages We are back, and the game that determines it all today is called the little search engine that could. Austin's going to get a go first because he won that last game and then Ellery. And I got an update on my third guest.

I didn't, you know, I was worried, like, who knows if there was a true emergency or something. I don't want to, you know, put anybody's life out there. but Renan Hirshberg was the third guest today, he's supposed to be, and he couldn't make it because he just had a baby like a week ago. And so I kind of saw this coming or thought it might happen. Like that seems like a little early to be planning to just go sit in a room for an hour and talk to talk about movies.

And sure enough, I just got the text for him and sorry I didn't make it, but the baby's been acting up. so mystery solved for anybody who was wondering why there's only two guests today and congratulations to Renan and his his baby that's it sounds like the baby's gone into acting so good for them all right

middle of it was in the middle explaining this game the little search engine that could I picked a word and then I wrote down that word. I typed that word into the search engine on IMDB and then I wrote down the top 10 movies according of the IMDB algorithm

this very day is constantly changing and swirling but according to them today these are the 10 most popular movies or most searched rather movies with the word in the title. So I'll tell you the word

and then Austin we'll go first and he will name a movie with that word in the title. And if it's in the top 10 anywhere, he gets points for getting that correct. And if it's number one, it's worth 10 points. It's number 10. It's worth one point. And you'll go back and forth. Three guesses each.

Might have to go to a fourth guess. We'll see to make sure that there's a winner. but we'll find out when we get there. Because that's interesting. I haven't played this game, I don't think, with only two players. Because with three players, it's more likely to knock titles off of the list.

But also, this is a tough one today. It's the beginning of March. So I typed in the word March. and believe it or not, there's way more than 10 movies with the word March and the title, but I just wrote down the top 10 movies that come up when you type in March on IMDB. Austin, what's your first guess? You want to get that number one movie right away. Okay, then I will say March of the Penguins.

sorry elery that's the randomness of it is he got to go first of course he got to say what one would think is an obvious one but guess what it's number two on the list so awesome's coming out of the gate strong with nine points but it's by no means over Ellery you might be able to get that number one movie

or certainly after a few guesses maybe you get a couple answers that are worth more points than Austin has. What's your first guess? I'm going to guess the aides of March. Number one on the list. There we go. The power of Goslin. That's the power of Gosling.

Grant has love. Yeah. This is going to get intense because I don't want to judge the two of you, but I just know for myself, I might not have been able to come up with any more movies that would be doing March. I'm kind of out. After those two. But that's where strategy comes into play.

You could say something that sounds like a title that might exist with March in it. You know, or you can just think about IMDB and how crazy these things are when you type a word in and the random-ass results you can get. What's your second guess, Austin? I wonder if there's a film called Miss March. Now, while you're wondering that, would you like that to also be your answer? I have to commit to it. Yeah, I'll take the zero on that. I think that's a Trevor Moore movie.

I think you did, yeah, I think I worked out pretty good because Miss March is number four on the list. Oh, there we go. Yeah, from 2009. and yeah, I think Trevor Moore might have been one of the, you know, it's a, like, I think it was kind of in some circles National Lampoon's Miss March.

I think it was like them trying to watch the National Lampoon. There's a great YouTube video of them reading the scathing reviews. Oh, I've seen that. All right, well, there you go.

That's seven more points for awesome. And this is running away from you, Elery, but you never know if. I know it's getting very competitive. I knew Austin was going to be a tough. Yes, there is. There's a documentary called Sherman's March. Is that on the list? This is exciting.

It is number five on the list. Okay, so first round, we don't get any points. Wow. So it is absolutely tied up right now. Your scores. It's going to come down to if either of you can name a third movie with March being the word that kicks off the response from IMDB, the Internet movie database. Do you have anything, Austin? I wonder if there's some

That probably wouldn't be two or three But if there's an iteration of like Sherman's March to the Sea I'm going to say March to the Sea If there's something maybe slower on the Totem pole there's sure that that feels like a movie title March to the C I absolutely love that gameplay

And Today that gameplay is not going to work out for you Understood Not on the list And also, I don't think a movie. But I don't know what you're doing. The rights are avail. The rights are avail, yeah.

Yeah, I got to look into it. All right, Elery, for the win. I'm just going to guess. I'm just going to guess the word March. I'm going to, I'm going to bet that there's a movie just called March. See, Ellery, you know, you come to play. It doesn't come down. It doesn't matter what you know sometimes.

It matters. It matters how. what you do with it. Ultimately, it's a game of strategy. A movie that's just called March from 2021. I don't know what it is, is number nine on the list. Two more points for Elry, which means Elery is our winner today.

Well, congratulations, Ellery. Who should I call a shithead at the end of the show? You get to decide. Oh, man. That's a pretty powerful. A lot of people to choose from. Yeah, the list is long. Make some dangerous political statement, Doug.

I trust you. No, it has to be yours. I'm just repeating it. But, you know, it should just be something like, you know, people that, you know, run over pedestrian or should have to be a specific person to be a more of a type of person. Or like, how about people that don't want to say corky and sporky? Yes, people who are anti-whale. Anti-whale people are shit-ed. Perfect.

I'll tag PETA when I post this episode. They love a mention of... I thought you said they love us. How much we hate anti-whale people. What would you like to plug, El Lerie? Do you have anything you want? Yeah, I'll be in Los Angeles this weekend. I'll be at the Virgil on Thursday.

I'll be at the Crow on Saturday in Santa Monica. and then up in May I will be at the Netflix as a Joke Festival. So stay tuned. Yeah, we're doing a Doug Love's movies at some point during the festival. I think the information's out there, but I'm going to start promoting it soon.

That's in May. Here are what was left of the March movies. Yeah, I was going to ask. I need to know two in three at least. Yeah, no, I will tell you. Well, you had two. March of the Penguins. But number three was left

open, 6, 7, 8, and 10. But here's where, you know, the twists never end with this show and this game and certainly with IMDB, because they think the 10th highest ranked movie with walk, I mean, March, with March in the title

is the long walk. Oh, wow, that's a twist, so it doesn't even need to include the word. Well, apparently I've never, this is the first time I've encounter this. That's interesting. Is that because they're saying that walk is close enough to march? This person is looking for movies with marching in them. So let's go.

It's include the long walk. They're marching the whole time. Is a drumline on there? Yeah, the green miles next. It might have been lower in the list, but there's only two of these instances in this one, which was, again, it was surprising to me, but also I think it's funny. I wish there was some way I could have tipped you off in the beginning. I kept trying to say, you know, here's what comes up when you put in the word March,

not specifically, doesn't necessarily have to have the word March. Because another funny thing when you type in March, then it would come up, little women. You know, because they're the March sisters. Oh. Somewhat famously, Ellery. You're not a big little women. Not so much. I like women that take up space, Sue me.

Yeah, that's fair. I mean, they were a little, anyway. Yeah, they're bossy. I know the highlights. Okay, good. Number seven was March of Happiness, whatever the hell that is, from 1999, I believe foreign, if I had to make a further guess. Number six, classic

I almost said Ablett and Costello Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy Oliver and Hardy remember them A classic holiday movie March of the Wooden Soldiers Have either of you heard of that? I have not. I have not. It could have been the working titles for Dead Man's Wire.

And then... Don't call. Don't say they're acting as wooden. I think it's electric. I meant more like their movement were marching stiffly. And then number three on the list is, I think it's a war movie, an old-ass war movie called March or Die. Yeah, which I guess could have been the working title for the long walk. So there you have it.

Austin Kuladne's first Douglas movies. How did it work out for you? Well, I lost. So in that regard, not great. But I do want to say, just as a true long-time listener and fan of this podcast, thank you for having me. I don't know if you remember this, Doug. It was very loud and crowded. We had a brief chat at the SNL after party last year, the one that Nikki Plains posted.

I had flown there literally that day from San Diego where I spent. my birthday with Leonard Malton, like, screening Dead Man's Wire. So, you know, a long-time listener. I'm avid fan of the Leonard Malton game. Yeah, you and I talked briefly briefly at that night, and you said very kind words. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Yeah, I was probably very, very stout and very tired at that point. It was around 3 a.m., I would say, 2 a.m. or so. There's some late shit that they do, but it was. I was not my first SNL after-party, but the first time I went to a taping of SNL because I, you know, went to see Nikki. And it's, it's as a SNL viewer, it's kind of like, you see plenty of stuff behind the scenes

and there was that Ivan Rygman movie. But then, wait, I said the wrong, Jason. Jason, yeah, yeah. Jason Ryman movie. And, you know, so you get a sense of it, But just being at SNL taping really changes your, I would think it would change anybody's opinion of it. Because even if the sketches are bombing,

the amount of work and the synchronation, the way everybody on that set makes that thing happen is really fascinating to watch. And, you know, and then you could sit at home and go, well, this sketch is dumb, but 30 people had to just run around to make it happen. So I appreciate it for that. What's coming up for you, Austin? Anything you want to promote?

Well, yeah, I guess I should definitely take the platform to say, please see Dead Man's Wire, directed by Gus Van Zant. It stars Bill Scarsgar, Dacre Montgomery, Coleman Domingo, Mahalo. Where is it? It is in theaters in Italy for all of your Italian listeners, and it will be in theaters in the UK. on March 20th. So for all of the UK listeners, please invite all of your friends

to see it in theaters as it was meant to be seen. And for those of you in the good old United States, I think it is on video on demand right now, which you could probably rent on various online platforms. Yes. So yeah, please see that. And yeah, I really have no idea what is next on the docket. So I will just say,

well, I'll plug us. my friend Jeremy Colhain who got me into that after party that night that we met and he's on SNL so I'd like to plug yes oh he's amazing yeah he was really funny the other night uh they do the funniest podcast called actors on actors on actors if either of you have seen it it's so good oh interesting like a video podcast they have it's you can also listen to it but yeah they have video clips. It's like popular on Instagram. They pretend to be actors roundtables. It's like

him and Kylie what is Kylie's last name? Breckman. Yes, Kylie Breakman and Patrick something. It's good. You should both check it out. You would like it. Okay.

Patrick McDonald's. You know, I'm just, I'm out here searching for more podcasts to watch and listen to. because I got nothing but time. I'm going to be at the punchline in Houston, Friday and Saturday night. Shows coming up in Austin, Texas, Rosemont, Illinois, Key West, Florida. All of my dates and deeds as much as I can keep up with them are at Douglasmovies.com. Thank you, Valerie Smith and Austin Kaladne.

That was super fun. And congratulations again to Renaud Hirschberg and his baby that already caused him to not be able to meet a professional. To miss career opportunities. And that's why you don't have him. I even got like follow up text about how sorry he is. He doesn't know I'm busy trying to podcast the thing that he could have been doing. But anyway, he'll be on. We'll get the baby on in a decade or two.

I'll schedule it with the kids 18. Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah, when your kid turns 18, you can come back on the show and on. As always, anti-whale people, people's not even the right word for those monsters. Sharks. Any anti-whale shark is a shithead. Now it's time for Doug to watch another talkie. Eyes of Gold is viewing prowess makes him cocky.

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