Doug Loves Movies - Stephen Kearin, Mike O’Malley and Shawn Simmons guest

Episode Date: December 11, 2020

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Doug hates candy wrappers, screaming babies, sticky seats with 50 ads and popcorn kernels in his teeth. There's still not one that he won't see, cause Doug loves movies. Hey, hey, hey everybody. My name is Doug and I love Wayne. This is Doug Loves Movies coming to you from the United States of waiting to get a vaccine with another Homes Alone edition. It's Thursday, December 10th, 2020. And I'm so excited about today's guests because they are the creator and two of the stars of one of my all-time favorite TV shows that I just discovered, thanks to Prime Video, Sean Simmons, Stephen Kiernan,

and Mike O'Bally from Wayne. Hello, guys. What's going on, man? Oh, you know. I'm so excited to have you all here let's meet you individually and alphabetically starting with the man who plays sergeant stephen geller on wayne it's stephen kieran hey dude hey dude nice to meet you thanks for having us meet you thank you for being here um people love you and your character on this show. And, but a lot of the chatter is about like, where has this guy been?

He's so amazing. And they, what the people don't realize is that they've been hearing you for all, all the time. Cause your voice is, you've done so much voiceover stuff with like, like you're a voice in the, I've never played the Sims, but you're in the Sims. like you're a voice in the, I've never played the Sims, but you're in the Sims. Yeah. Yeah. I helped create that language. They speak Simlish. So I was brought in to help develop that. And I had no idea at the time that it would turn into what the Sims has become. I don't think anyone did. So yeah, that was sort of where I sort of launched the my voice career you could say and yeah that

was really wild because it all was improvised and uh gibberish so a nonsensical language kind of put me on on the radar i guess yeah like people think your voice sounds familiar but they probably have a hard time placing it yeah that's that's, that's totally true. Yeah. And then you're in all of the, all of the, the complete Kung Fu Panda trilogy. Yes, that's right. Everybody with kids has heard you plenty and I've never seen it. Apologies for never seeing it,

but you were also principal Mitchell on Kirby buckets. Yes. That's where I met Sean. And yes, I played the evil, the evil Principal Mitchell for three seasons on Disney. And again, that's where I met Sean. And he cryptically said to me, I'll see you again when he walked away from craft services one day. And I thought that's just what we say, you know, in this town. But he was, yeah, thank God he meant it. So here we are.

Yeah, he was absolutely one of the only things that kept me going to work every day, writing jokes for Stephen as this kind of principle that we thought it was funny he would have really long hair and he was like secretly a metal guy but he talked just like Stephen or or Sergeant Geller so I actually wrote the part in Wayne for Stephen specifically. Well, that's awesome that you did because he's immediately so, I'm talking about you like you're not here, Stephen, but immediately so entertaining a character, which you don't even know when you first see him

how much he's going to be around on the show. That's one thing I love about the show is even the characters just wander in for like one scene are all so well-written and performed. It all feels very lived in, unlike just guest actors showing up and spouting a few lines and moving on. Yeah, that's always kind of a thing i think about like even

if you think about there's a scene where you know the a waitress works at a bus station and she you know her co-worker says something about someone who's on break and they're doing their meditating and they're not done and to me that's the small story about a character you don't even see. So I think I'd try to do that with everyone, you know, like have some sort of humanity to them that tells you a little story about them, even if they're not even there. I just finally watched, you know, cause I, once I started loving the show, I started slowing down the pace at which I watched the episodes

because I really didn't want it to end. And so but I knew I was doing this today. So I finally pulled the trigger on watching the 10th episode of of season one. And there's even a character introduced in that episode. It's like it's the show is, you know, coming to the end of a season and you still introduce a very a few interesting characters uh you know even in that last one so it really uh continues to feel like all all the other episodes and i might as well just jump right

to it sean um what's going on with a potential season two? Well, I, you know, these, these services, at least, you know, there's a few of them out there that don't really share metrics. But the little talks that we're hearing about behind the scenes between the studio and the network are positive. It feels like, you know, it's breaking through you know, and that's especially exciting considering that we just kind of threw up a trailer and we had a couple of teasers and that's all a lot of these places do

anymore, you know, and then they throw the show on and kind of go, we'll see. So it does feel like it's, it's breaking through in a way that, you know, I don't know what our chances are, but it seems like there's positive talks going back and forth. People asking about, you know, the right questions about budget and things like that. So don't know yet. Um, I think we'll close, we're close to having an answer one way or the other um and that's crazy because this you know this kind of thing going from one network to the other

um and having you know another chance yeah and you ended the the one season that exists ends in a way that like is gets the viewer very pumped up for what is going to happen next season two, which is kind of the tradition, even though shows end up getting canceled after that final episode of the first season. So the show sort of left dangling. So I think it's very perfect the way it is, but I'm very excited about the idea of getting more

because you definitely left the door wide open yeah i mean we were you know i was writing about how i got word that the network was dying on a phone call about a month before wayne aired the first time um which was very nice as i was going into an Emerson College screening and getting ready for my first, you know, series that I spent, you know, a very long time developing. But yeah, you know, the network was kind of canceled out from under us. And a lot of credit to them. I mean, Dustin Davis and Amanda Barclay and Suzanne Daniels over there, like, you know,

they have Cobra Kai which is something of a mega hit it seems like over at Netflix um that was a YouTube show um they made a bunch of good shit it just you know they decided they just didn't want to try to do what they were doing like a lot of these new kind of streamers like verizon 360 um and things like that um but yeah so yeah they actually had taken that cliffhanger out at one point um and the network had me put it back in so that that was all the more frustrating i mean it's a good ending if you don't get to make more because it's it does kind of you know you can kind of imagine a future for the characters, you know, yourself and what might happen next.

But I definitely, you know, I'm very much hoping for more. And I assume a character that will be also continuing on his journey with his new dog friends is played by Michael Malley. Hey, Mike. Mike. Sorry, it's my first time on Zoom. It's my first time on Zoom. I didn't know that you did.

Hey, Doug. Thanks for having us on, man. It's great to be on with you and for you to talk to your followers and fans about this show. I love doing it. I love that this show is having its life on Amazon and I loved working with Stephen and Sean and everybody. I really did. Well, you play principal Tom Cole on Wayne and I was so psyched when you showed up because, uh, you know, I go way back with you. Yes. Uh, like I, you know, I worked at the W WB network when you had some shows there. Yes. As a, I was doing, uh, they hired comedians to write their promos cause they had, you know,

they had some comedies they wanted to promote. Life with Roger life with Roger. i think it was 1996 yeah live with roger and then uh the michael mallee show yes that was a mini series on nbc we had there was a two episode mini series that we did in 99 that was then uh of course uh yes dear where i had the privilege of showing up and uh saying a few lines as a character that probably didn't feel as lived in as all the people on Wayne. Buckaroo waiter. Yeah, it was the buckaroo waiter. And you were you.

I got to deliver the death blow to you. I got to give you the bad news that you thought it was bottomless. What was it? French fries. It was bottomless something day, you thought. And so you ordered a was bottomless. What was it? French fries. It was bottomless something day you thought. And so you ordered a lot of something and then I had to give you the bad news that that was, you were there on the wrong day. Yeah. There's no refills on the French fries on that day.

Yeah. And I just also want to do a quick shout out to you playing Nikki Augustine on justified. Oh, thanks man out to you playing, uh, uh, Nikki Augustine on, uh, justified. Oh, thanks man. Thank you so much. That was, that was awesome. Um, you know, getting to play a bad guy, uh, after doing so much, uh, you know, comedy for such a long part of my career. And then, you know, it's as, as Steven is talking about with his relationship with Sean. And I think it's, it's so important, you know, when I'm talking to younger people to

remind them, you know, Sean's talking about going into Emerson college and having a screening and talking about making shows. And, you know, sometimes as actors, we, we want to be able to do everything, you know, we're inspired by the great actors and we want to be able to do everything. You know, we're inspired by the great actors and we want to be able to have the full range of things. And then you get started and you're making a living, you're doing something, you're doing this job, you're doing that job. And it's so much about relationships.

The relationships that you make and how you invest yourself with a work ethic and a great spirit when you're working with people, you don't even realize how those dividends are going to pay off. Obviously, they pay off just in the making of the thing. It's a joyful experience. But what brought me to this project was I had worked with a guy named Ian McDonald who had directed on an episode of a show that that I was writing and when they were shooting this up in Toronto he called me up and he said look I'm directing this show it's really great take a look at it and I read it and I immediately just you know responded so much to Sean's voice and I was like, yeah, how can I, you know, how can I be a part of it? And it was just a, I'm trying to remember Sean, was it, it was, it just a pilot. It was the whole series picked up.

It was just a pilot. Yeah. Yeah. And you just wanted to do the accent. You know, you had it down. That's all you want. You know, you had it. Well, I was born in Boston and I grew up in Nash, New Hampshire, but our, our high school, the high school, the local Nashville high school in New Hampshire, we would play Brockton the Brockton boxers every year. And that was like playing the big bad city team from Boston on the outskirts of Boston. So anyways, but I just, I loved Sean's writing and I was like, how can I be a part of this? And,

and that's how i got involved and then we proceeded to sit at craft services where i forget i'm the boss and do an accent i mean him only spoke in both accents for three four hours at a time and i can't imagine how annoying it was to everybody sitting around us you don't realize that you have the accent until you leave and then people say oh you have a boston accent and you're like well you know you think you lost it a little bit but then you say certain words and they catch you oh i can't the certain words i still can't say like weird like i still say weird i still can't say drawer like it's a struggle for me to say drawer draw i say draw

yeah or you say go to go to your room go up to your room or you say uh hey guys uh we're losing the light we gotta hurry like doppler radar yeah but that's how i teach people the accent sean sean share with everybody the most boston line of all that your mother said on the phone. I was talking to my mother and she was complaining that my dad, you know, I get it because you get to a certain age and you're making, you have your 10 meals, you know, that you make and you've given up otherwise. And you have these combos and you serve them five days in a row. then the next week you might have five more it just might be the same so my mother was complaining on the phone to me she goes uh apparently your father doesn't like going on the cob anymore there's never been a more perfect collection of words too it's so fantastic so i guess that's john simmons with the uh with the corn on the cob and creator showrunner

how do you i always just tell people especially with this, I just say, well, it's violent. But that aside, I don't think you need to know anything else going into it because it just I feel like it just hooks you in pretty quickly. But what do you for the uninitiated, for the people who haven't watched it? And I'm mad at all of them. Everybody needs to watch it. But if you if you're talking to somebody i'm sure you did a lot of you know press for the show like how do you describe it a thing that always kind of was a hit with the other producers that they wanted me to drop a lot was john wick meets john hughes um which that kind of rang the bell.

But it's about, you know, two kids from kind of desperate backgrounds in a town, you know, like I grew up in in Brockton, Massachusetts, who go from Brockton to Florida on a dirt bike to get back the shit hot 79 Trans Am that was stolen from this kid's dad before he died. And, you know, it's a really, I always say that, you know, we're all working with the same ingredients. It's just kind of like how you're using the measurements. And Wayne just has a really fucked up, you know, usage of measurements. You know, there's a lot more of this and a lot more of that and less of what we usually see i think that's what makes it kind of weird because it's you know it's as if you know young i sometimes i would say um uh richard linklater does dirty young dirty harry um and that's because it was inspired,

it's as much before Sunset, weirdly, as it is Death Wish. You know, it's as much, you know, a story about two kids and a very, you know, innocent, sweet romance as it is influenced by, you know, the chainsaw stuff was Evil Dead. You know, Evil Dead 2 was shouting out to that.

But yeah, I think the, you know, John Wick, as young John Wick as done by John Hughes kind of sums it up. But there's a lot of romance. There's a little bit of violence. There's a little bit of action. But it's more, I think, absurdist comedy at heart than anything. Yeah. distinct absurdist comedy in heart than anything yeah and uh you know just great characters and just interest the dialogue and the situations is always you know surprising and fun all the way up

till uh the very last episode and there's also for a you know for a half hour comedy you also don't expect to be delighted by something because it's like a reference to something that happened several episodes before. But then also, it's not laid on real thick. It's got subtlety to it. I also hear a lot of, you know, you read a lot of these reviews. It turns out that you remember Amazon was like all about letting the fans vote on what got picked up. You remember it started that way, which was such a strange thing.

It would be like people would vote on the shows that get picked up and didn't. And it turns out that is still kind of like a part of it, not a ton, And it turns out that is still kind of like a part of it, not a ton, but they still really go online and consider the reviews to pick up in picking up the show, which is such a strange thing that makes them very specific. But somebody on one of those reviews recently wrote, I don't know if this is the funniest drama or the saddest comedy, which I loved.

Yeah, that does sum it up pretty well. And that's what we should tell people to do who are listening and like the show is that they should definitely take advantage of the review function on Amazon Prime and get in there and give it give the show a good review or you know at least give it uh you know the multiple the maximum number of stars my mother reads all of them i several episodes in that that's the hilarious kid from the movie Sing Street. Yeah, I love that movie. I love that movie.

I'm a big fan of Sing Street. So like when I finally, you know, put it together, because I looked him up on IMDb, because as soon as, you know, as soon as you look him up on IMDb, there's pictures of him looking like the character from Sing Street. And I had not put it together. He's incredible. But also I think I saw somewhere you saying that the Boston accent was easier for him than say an American actor.

Yeah, it became, you know, in casting both of the two leads, you know, it was tough. It was, it's weird because most people have a hard time kind of, you know, that accent's hard, number one, but, you know, even people from Boston that we got would overdo it and i find myself doing it too you're like trying to just do the accent but you end up completely overdoing it you see boston actors doing that really big movie it's like the departed you're like you're from there and now you're just like too big um but yeah you realize

you know it's something i didn't realize about bostonians it's such a quick easy thing to figure out but i didn't put two and two together that it was just the accent is just irish and english you know like it's because you know that's just settled there that's how everybody sounded and it still hasn't drained away. But so getting Irish people or English people, those auditions, as far as accents, when we're always the best, always the best. Um, I, I love sing street and I always pictured Wayne as kind of, he was written originally as kind of a big, uh, bigger than everybody else, shaved head, little heavy. I think someone called him the fat shit in a certain script.

But as it went on, I started, I saw Mark. I loved Sing Street. I said, somebody had suggested the lead. And I said, what about that kid with the glasses who, you know, really stands out in that movie. The minute he comes on screen, he's such a weird, fun character. And, um, so we saw him and I started to figure out that, you know, I was worried about how good looking Mark is at first because he's a real

outcast obviously. And, and then I started to get my brain around this idea that, and I know some of these kids, people who have alienated themselves because of their behavior, no matter how good looking they are. You know, they're so fucked up and done such fucked up shit that everyone stays away from them or they just stay away from everybody. And this kind of strange Napoleon dynamite-y version of Wayne kind of came

into focus as Mark did better and better in auditions and eventually met Sierra. And you just couldn't deny the chemistry between the two. Did you see anybody for, for Wayne or for Dell, who was actually that age or were you basically in the position where you needed to cast an adult to play younger? Well, he was, I think he was 20 at the time, 19 at the time, and he was playing a 16-year-old.

Sierra, I don't know if you've seen her lately. She still looks 14 14 15 years old she's 22 but she has just one of those faces um which is a real relief when you're about to hopefully get season two um but then again we've all seen jesse pink in the breaking bad movie uh you know nobody thought about it he's's like, you know, 20 pounds heavier and, you know, 10 years older. And playing, what, an hour later from the end of the Breaking Bad series, you know? But yeah, one thing was that

it becomes really, really, you know this, you're asking the question because you know this, difficult production wise when you have a kid that young in the hours thing so that was definitely a struggle because one of the kids that was up for it who just based on seeing film of them he i thought he was going to be cast, but he was like 16, 17 years old. And the, you know, the line producer was like, you can't fucking cast them. Like he was so angry, but we still saw him. And then Mark, you know,

he does, you know, he looks, he definitely looks old at 16, I think in the show, but luckily right now he still looks like, still looks pretty young. So in the show. But luckily, right now, he still looks pretty young. So we're okay. But yeah, it was partly production, partly it was just the guy. We saw so many people. We saw so many people. And it turns out it was a hard thing to play.

The reviews on – have you directed your mother to the imdb uh site and their review section yeah because i've had two years to obsess over the show it's but the reviews on imdb are every single one that i looked at was just ecstatic and just in absolute love with the show and you know in those imdb reviews people just you know they give everything one star and tear it to shit you know so it's really uh it's really impressive how i could just picture a lot of waynes out there sitting there finding the show and then uh you know finding somewhere on the internet to write about it. Yeah. Inspired by it, you know? Yeah. The reviews on both Amazon and IMDb and, you know, we didn't get many reviews cause we're a YouTube show legit reviews,

but we have, you know, a handful on there, rotten tomatoes and, you know, they've always been, you know, there's a, there's a real, I think there's a part of I heard a conversation with marketing where there was almost a fear, like in not picking up the show because there, it sounded like they were scared of that audience after reading reviews and stuff, because they're so passionate that they didn't want the blowback or something. So there's certain things they did not do in case they couldn't pick it up because it was, there was,

there's a really passionate group of Wayne fans out there that do not hold back in there, you know, writing those reviews, which is really nice. Well, I hope to get a lot more fans for the show just for, you know, my own sake, because I, sake because I really want more but this is Doug Loves Movies of course so before we get into the game portion of the show I just wanted to ask each of you we'll start with Stephen have you seen any movies lately that you would recommend? movies lately that you would recommend? I'm laughing because I haven't seen any current movies, but the other night we were trimming the tree watching to catch a thief.

And I know it may not be the answer you were looking for, but right. Of course, as I did have a glass of tea but um i just i just want to say i would point everyone to watch to catch a thief and for those who don't know that movie it's just for me it was just absolutely ridiculous and delightful especially on the rooftops at the end so how's that for an answer the thief is uh carrie grant yes carrie grant and of course grace kelly is the love interest and yeah there's i would watch it excuse me just for the french character actors alone and and a lot of times it looks like they may have hired villagers to come in and like hit him with a bunch of flowers when he crashed into the flower cart, but they're all just pitch perfect. So yeah,

that's the one that jumps to mind when you ask that question, strangely. I, you know, I, that's what we're looking for is, you know, recommendations for movies from any time period, because everybody's got the time now to you know, to actually go back and look at older things and um that's uh was that hitchcock direct that uh i believe it was hitchcock just the colors alone of vista vision and panavision that alone but uh god it's funny i've i'm halting i don't know if it's hitchcock it sure seems like it would be.

It was like Grace Kelly made more than one movie with him. Rear window and, and that. Yeah. All right. I like that recommendation. Makes me want to consider going back and looking at it again. I just watched a charade for the first time recently. And that movie is hilarious. Yeah. Uh, I mean, it's hard to buy Cary Grant in his sixties in a romance with, uh,

Audrey Hepburn, but, uh, it's, uh, it's very enjoyable. George Kennedy has like a fake iron hand and he's, he's a bad guy. So there's a long fight scene between Cary Grant and George Kennedy and his fake hand. It's pretty good. Michael Malley, what about you? Can you recommend something? Yes. Well, I can recommend a couple of things that I've seen recently.

You know, I have three teenagers, 17, 16, and 13 and a half. And they are very interested in anime. And so we had pretty much watched all of Miyazaki's movies, which we absolutely love and have been telling, you know, other people about, but I think now they're all available on, I think HBO max, which if, if people haven't watched those films, they're just spectacular. Almost every one of them. I think the big American release that he did of a movie that Liam Neeson did a voice to was Ponyo.

But I mean, all of them are just spectacular. And then we watched this film, which is apparently the most highest grossing film in Japan called Your Name, which, again, I, you know, I thought it was just, it was, it was very sentimental. It was, you know, it's, it's a, I almost want to say it's a, it's a romance, but just, just really, really liked it. In addition to over the, the last few months, my wife and I, I had never seen Dr. Strange Glove, and we just absolutely loved it. And then I had watched a couple of – I had watched Opening Night and The Killing of a Chinese Bookie from Cassavetes.

So if you haven't seen any – I mean, if anyone listening hasn't seen the Cassavetes movies, you should watch them. Dr. Strange Glolove, amazing. And I just think if you're into, you know, anime and you don't mind a sentimental movie, and that sounds diminishing to say it that way. It's a very sincere film, and I thought it was very, it was really romantic and great.

Your name. All right. Sean. I'm actually going to give you a current movie from this year. Ooh. Unlike these guys. I know this is going against the grain. Hey, dude, your name isn't that old.

Okay? It might be about cartoons, but it's not that old. Yeah. It might be about cartoons, but it's not that old. Yeah. I loved, loved, loved this movie this year called Baby Teeth. Have you heard of this? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Aussie movie. Eliza Scanlon's in it. We've seen her pop up in a lot of stuff. She was in Little Women and Sharp Objects, that HBO show. And she was in, yeah, she was in that Devil All the Time movie with Tom Mullen. But there, it's just this, you know, it might be because it really, it's electric and chaotic in the way that maybe, I think some people write that Wayne is, and it probably is because of that, but it's about these, a girl who kind of falls in love for the first time through I don't want to

give too much away during a kind of tragic time. And it's about the four people dealing with that tragedy around her falling in love. And sometimes they, you know, face it with grace. Sometimes, most of the time, they act absolutely batshit crazy because they're all, you know, it's one of those movies where all the characters seem to be children to some degree. where all the characters seem to be children to some degree, even the adults. The people who are supposed to be holding it together the most might be acting the worst.

But it's an incredibly, incredibly... It starts out weirdly funny. Like, the first 10 scenes of the movie, I was getting... As a writer, you get angry when they're so good. As you watch each one, you're just like, for some reason, the emotion is I'm pissed off that this is so fucking good. And that it continues. And it's the same way I felt about hell or high water, which is in my top 10. Um,

every scene my wife had to sit next to me as I audibly groaned in the movie theater after every scene because the scenes were so fucking good I did it with this movie it starts out in just this really electric chaotic way with these really strange characters who are really in these really

really funny scenes and everything is kind of feels off balance and a little chaotic and you don't know quite why. And then it slowly builds into this really beautiful story about, you know, love and loss. And it's, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm confident in my masculinity. I know to say I cried for like 10 minutes after it was over like it just destroyed me by the end and you know john do you do men not have tear ducts

did they not cry they don't they don't cry man come on um in boston we just punch we just you know you made me cry so much in Wayne. That's why I bring this up. Well, that's where I'm sad. I'm like sad shit, man. Like that's all that, all that noise on top of Wayne, all the punching and the comedy and the blood and the noise and the people screaming at each other, because that's how I grew up. Everybody's screaming. It's just covering all the sad shit that's there. It's to kind of hide it. So i don't feel like such a pussy sentimental and romantic like it really is so sentimental and romantic that

but i'm not comfortable because i'm from boston that i have to kind of do you remember when um when uh that uh politician uh john boehner, when he was crying all the time, like they kept showing him crying? I'm like, I'm starting to feel like, you know, at the time I thought it was kind of funny. But now I'm realizing that as a man of a certain age, there's just a point where you just you start crying about things, you know, and it doesn't doesn't have to be things that are that terrible it's oftentimes it's it's a nice thing you're crying about but it just starts happening you know and i think it's uh it's it's natural and it certainly makes a lot of sense with the uh vice principal and wayne uh he's he's going through a lot so he gets very there's a there's a melancholy that sweeps over men past the age of 50 that i recognized in my dad when i was you know early 40s late 30s because

my dad he didn't say i love you until i was maybe in my 30s he said he would hang up phone calls by saying uh keep smiling keep smiling and he knew that was his way of saying i love you but then like 60 hit and you'd walk into the room and be staring at the christmas tree and all of a sudden he'd be like i'm just thinking about all the christmases you know being with you boys i was like what the fuck is This guy, I used to go watch this guy fight in the hockey rink. And he's, now he's falling the fuck apart. And I just, now I'm climbing into that. I think being six years away from 60,

when your father started looking at the Christmas tree and crying as we're about to decorate our Christmas tree at home. I think, you know, having kids, like you think about yourself. And if I was to think of myself, I don't know, pretty much like from my late thirties to right now, the day-to-day of what my life is, is pretty similar. I have kids, I go to work. But then you have these people who are hanging around you, who are growing at this, this, you know, fast pace. And they were

just small two seconds ago. And now they're both, my sons are taller than me right now. And that just happened like in the last six months. And I just think that when you get to that age, like when you start to be 50 and then you get a little bit older, the passage of time is, is, is happening. It's such an accelerated rate. And then you start to see your friends and you're like, wow, that guy got old. And then you're realizing, oh, they're looking at me thinking the same thing. It's just terrible. It's just because it really just dawns on you. Oh my God, this is just happening so fast. How much more do I have to, you know? And that's why you're so grateful to be on a freaking great show because it's just like, Oh, you're younger. You're an

actor. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. It's like, Oh, I'm going to do all these great things. And then everything isn't great. All the people that you work with aren't great. And then you meet somebody like Sean and you get something that's really going and you get to act with people like Mark and Sierra and Steven and, and you just want it to go again. And, uh, you know, it's, it's, you know, such a great set, such a good group of people, such a great set. It was, you know, I have a, I very, you know, clearly walk into every room and go, there's no assholes here. There's no assholes ever here, you know, and give everybody, you know, a lot of chances because everybody fucks up. But it's yeah, it was a really great set.

Uh, she, I, I, I, you know, I keep saying that the performances are lived in, but she's like a full blown character, like, like immediately. And she's, you know, she doesn't have a lot of screen time, but tremendous impact. That whole Dell flashback episode is one of my favorite episodes in the series. Yeah. That's a, that's it. It's kind of a secret weapon episode because it does something with Daddy

in the middle that Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick are the guys who wrote the Deadpool movies and the Zombieland movies, which you talked about on your podcast recently. And Rhett always says that Daddy is a secret weapon in the show because you kind of sympathize with him at that point so much that it kind of leaves you even more off balance

anywhere before that um so yeah we we love that episode and sierra is amazing and abigail is a total knockout in that. But, yeah, you have this absurd, weird comedy, and then here comes this kind of devastating episode in the middle to kind of tell – it's kind of Del's pilot. I always say there's a Wayne pilot and there's a Del pilot. And, yeah, Abigail's great in it. All right, well, we always play a game or two on Douglas movies so I would love to

run you guys through one if you'd like and we can do that right after we do I can't believe we've gone this far without taking a break but I'm loving talking about this show and with you guys and we'll be right back after some brief messages,

no flipping we're back. And I'd like to play a game. Are you guys all right with that? Let's do it. Yeah. I feel like this game that I put together, if I had to pick who I thought was going to do the best at it, I would say possibly Steven, because he's the one that, you know,

said that he's recently watched a very old movie. He's going to beat me at anything. I'm terrible at games. So this should be fun. How do you, how do you think you are at movie trivia mike um i'm about to find out all right well there's no prizes or anything it's just for fun uh it's a new game that i created

just for you guys and this this special tribute to wayne episode. And the game is called Which Wayne Is It? It's a multiple choice game, so everybody has a chance. I'll name a movie and we'll go to you one at a time for the answers on this. I'll name a movie and you tell me if it features john wayne bruce wayne aka the original batman adam west or wayne newton holy yeah john wayne adam west or wayne newton i'll ask steven first and then haha stephen first was flounder in animal house. And then I'll go to, if Stephen misses, then it moves on to Mike and he gets a shot and he misses and Sean gets the gimme point or the lucky point because you know,

there's only three choices and we continue on from there. And whoever gets three points first is the winner. Let's go. John, so the, you need to answer Wayne West, gets three points first is the winner. Let's go. Let's do this. John, so you need to answer Wayne, West, or Newton. Okay. Who was in a film called Geronimo? John Wayne.

That is incorrect. Mike, between Adam West or Wayne Newton, who was in Geronimo? Wayne Newton. Also incorrect. Sean. This is the only way I win the game, guys. The only way. It might go your way just because that's how it goes uh what's your answer sean uh it's got to be adam west right yeah that's right some of my stoner friends can't

remember which which ones were said already so all right so that means that uh sean is on the board he's got one point was that the geronimo was that the one with wes studi in it i don't think so that sounds like a real geronimo movie this thing that adam west was in sounds sounds pretty silly right as do most of these movies i think that uh adam West and John Wayne and Bruce, I mean, Wayne Newton, they all have one thing in common and that's, they've all appeared in some really silly sounding movies. And I got one of those for you now, Stephen, which one of those dudes was in Robinson Caruso on Mars?

was in Robinson Caruso on Mars. Hmm. Okay. Robinson Caruso on Mars. I'm going to have to guess that it was Adam West. That is correct. Yes. Easy one.

I was going to go with Wayne Newton on that to go really hammy. Well, Mike, you get to go first on this next one. So maybe this one will be easy as well. Which one of those dudes was in a movie called Hell River? John Wayne. That's incorrect. Come on! This is no joke, this game.

This is a serious game you've created for us. The game I watch him do every day in the morning on Twitter is the most difficult trivia game I've ever seen in my life. This is serious. What a, God, man. It's Wayne Newton, right? No. What a God. It's Wayne Newton, right? No. What? Wayne Newton is not in hell river.

How do we have three choices when we get two of us? Yeah. Stephen, what's the remaining one? Adam West. That's correct. Stephen, Stephen, you are so good at this game I know you guys starting to feel bad oh my god

yeah I mean Adam Lett's voice in the Batman TV show I'd say is you know equally iconic to that of Stephen Geller in Wade truly that's high grade Equally iconic to that of Stephen Geller in Wayne.

Truly. True. That's high grade. Come on, Mike. You can do this. I got to get one point for God's sakes. Which one of those dudes was in a movie called Hell Riders? John Wayne.

God damn it. You're preemptively upset that you missed no oh did you you want to change your answer no I thought you said no that's wrong Sean you would think that

every third movie John Wayne did had hell in it I know that was such a boston response to to preemptively say you failed before you've even gotten the answer that's such a boston attitude thing as people who always think the ceiling's gonna fucking cave in um no sean what the real boston response this is a stupid game. I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. So it is not John Wayne.

I'm going to go with Wayne Newton again. I want one of these to be Wayne. Is it Wayne Newton? No. I mean, you know that Wayne Newton had a fairly limited career as an actor. Like he usually either played himself or a guy who know that Wayne Newton had a fairly limited career as an actor. Like he usually either played himself or a guy who acted like Wayne Newton. I can see him with an eye patch and a mustache and being a movie in a movie called, what was it again?

Hell on Wheels? No, Hell Riders. Come on. He's in this. He's not in this. No. Hey, Stephen. Stephen. This is a good friend of mine. I need you to get this wrong

so I can keep playing and not get skunked. Okay? Pretend as if you didn't hear what I said. Okay, then my guess is John Wayne. Whoa, Stephen. That's incorrect's incorrect oh damn it i thought for sure second time around yeah is in hell river and hell riders oh i've got your back mike well all right i tip my hat to both of you gentlemen that as you're doing this interview, you're not, you're not sitting on IMDB trying to get these answers.

Yeah. We always have to tell the guests to, uh, how many times did we just go one, two, three wrong, wrong, wrong. Like I think we always picked the wrong answer. Oh, three in a row. Right. Let's let's keep going. We, you know, wrong, wrong. Like, I think we always picked the wrong answer almost three in a row, right? Let's keep going. You know, Stephen blew it on that one. He was going to win, but he lost his chance. So we'll go back to you, Mike.

With honor, yeah. Mike, which one of those guys was in Buckaroo the Movie? It's got to be Wayne Newton. Incorrect. I'm the worst contestant you've ever had on your podcast. No, not even close. Sean, which one of the two remaining do you think it is? I'm going to go with John Wayne.

You're going John Wayne? Yeah, even though it's not mine. I think the two of you just want to hand this thing to Steve. How do we keep doing it? Like it's flipping a coin and it's the opposite every time. Well, it was Adam West again. Because also a thing, if you've heard other episodes of Doug Lowe's movies I love to play these games where and I just make it the same answer every time and people still don't catch on

because the answer's been West every time so far I was going to nail that algorithm game yeah and then I switch it up when people aren't expecting i was on imdb for a week i was gonna nail that algorithm game yeah that's uh steven and mike don't know i play a game based on the popularity algorithm on imdb

and if you know that that game is going to be played, you could actually, you could do a little research and studying as, as Sean clearly has. I apologize for that. I did not. But yeah, it's it just never ends with the, the movies that Adam Wester is in that sound like John Wayne movies, the movies that Adam West was in that sound like John Wayne movies, Riders of Destiny, Soldier in the Rain, The Outlaws is Coming, which I don't even know what that's about to say. The Outlaws is Coming.

Really? Yeah. Adam West was also in The Relentless Four. You know, they added four more dudes and became hateful eventually. I want to go back to this Outlaws. That's really the title. The Outlaws is coming. I looked at it a few times because I thought, that can't be right. The Outlaws is coming.

So I guess maybe it's something said by a kid in the movie or something? In Brooklyn. Yeah. The Outlaws is coming. I immediately just pictured every single person all the way from development stage to release, to making the poster going, are you sure it's outlaws is coming? We really want to go with this all the way. Yeah. Sean, it's a line of dialogue. The outlaws is coming.

The guy says it. He says it six times. I keep telling you, the outlaws is coming. You don't want to... Have you even watched the movie or are you just working marketing? All right, I'll fucking print it. I'm going to print it, guy. All right, we're printing it. Okay,

now I want Mike to do a Buddy Hackett impression. Oh. I don't know Buddy Hackett. Wow. This is my place. I don't even know. I don't even know.

I don't even know Buddy Hackett. Oh, God. Just give me a line from It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, I guess. Exactly, exactly. He's always saying what's the name of he's always saying somebody's name in that movie. It's a Mad, Mad,

Mad, Mad World. It's really funny whenever he says it like Erasmus or some name like that. Or maybe I'm thinking, now I'm thinking of The Music Man. Alright, well, congratulations to Steven. You really cleaned house on this one. You really, I didn't even need to go to,

I always write a tiebreaker question. And I'll see if you guys know the answer to this. Of those three. West. Oh, shit. Which one set sail on TV's love boat the most times? Adam West. It is indeed Adam West.

Yeah. Indeed. It was always Adam West. And he was only on it once. Wayne Newton and wayne never got never got on the love boat how wayne newton was never on the love boat is a uh either a testament to how much money he has and didn't need a little bit uh yeah yeah or maybe he had some beef with, you know, Aaron Spelling. Red Brandy.

Who's the guy who produced that show? Aaron Spelling, maybe? Yeah, yeah, maybe he and Aaron Spelling had beef or something. Because, yeah, Wayne Newton seems perfect for the love boat. Doug, what movie have you watched recently? Yeah. The one I've been talking up the most that I like a lot is it's also on prime and it is called uncle Frank.

Oh yeah. And it's written and directed by Alan ball. And it's a period piece with Paul Bettany as a closeted gay man and having to deal with you know whether or not to come out to his family he's so good in it he is so

unbelievably good in that movie I have seen it I think I saw it watched it the night it came out I was all on board from that trailer the moment I saw the trailer I it the night it came out. I was all on board from that trailer. The moment I saw the trailer, I was like, that's, that's sad enough for me. Yeah. And a terrific cast of some of the best character actors out there, like Steven Root and Margo Martindale. I always ask that question because I have a pet peeve about people who say,

ask the question, like, what's your favorite movie? Okay, everybody, what's your, but no one ever asked the person who asked the question. Well, thank you for giving me another opportunity, which people should watch after they've seen all 10 episodes of Wayne. Sound of metal movie on Amazon is also amazing. Yeah. Um, that's, does anybody have anything else that they would like to promote besides Wayne? Is anything else going on that people can check out Steven?

You know, I, I, this is going to sound really stupid. I can't talk about it, but I'm, um, I'm going to be really stupid. I can't talk about it, but I'm going to be doing something for Netflix animation, but I can't talk about it. How about that? Is that sort of a non-plug? I'm still doing improvisation with my troops. So check out threeforall.com and then here in LA, Impro Theater.

We're all trying to stay on our feet because live theater. So anyone who wants to check that out and feel free to donate and support live theater here in LA. Awesome. Mike? I am currently getting ready for Snowpiercer Season 2, which stars Jennifer Connelly and Sean Bean and Daveed Diggs. I shot two seasons of that with a fantastic cast.

And I had a great time working on the show. Great cast. Season two, I think, premieres January 25th. And I'm show running a show for stars called Heels, which is a story about a independent wrestling promotion in Southwestern Georgia. And I've written myself or I've cast myself in a part that was already written in that show. I get a small part in that, but I'm running that show. I get a small part in that, but I'm, I'm running that show and it stars Stephen A. Mel, Alexander Ludwig, Mary McCormack, Chris Bauer,

and just some great actors all through the cast. It's just it's a, it's been a really fun show. That's an hour long drama for stars that we hope will launch sometime in the summer of 2021. But you are available to continue to appear on Wayne when that goes into back into 100%. We stop, we will be done with hopefully still piercer is actually still pierces coming back for a season three, but I am you know, I text Sean every other day. What is this thing?

I love the part of Tommy Cole. I love this cast. I love the show. But most importantly, as an actor, you're looking for writers that you can just love their mind and love their sense of humor and love what they want to write about and the style. Everything about Wayne, it all came together

and uh and so yeah i'll move heaven and earth to do that again and they shot two seasons of snow piercer out of the gate i didn't i never heard that that it was uh guaranteed two seasons yeah well it was the first season and then i think think as a result of the work and I think that it's also, you know, it's very, very expensive to build all those sets. And the first season had sold internationally and is doing it's internationally. It's on Netflix. I think that, you know, for certain shows that are in this genre, there's a built in audience of people where, you know, obviously the IP was, you know, was in the fact that it was based on an awesome movie, had people interested in it. It's obviously you're going to take those hits, you know, and then after he, you know, the one that won the Oscar, they're like, oh, wow, this is, you know, people going to be more interested. And people started watching Snowpiercer, the movie even more. And so but but, you know, Graham Manson, who is the showrunner on that show, who he created Orphan Black. He's just also he's just a great writer, great showrunner. And I think they they really had belief in his vision.

showrunner and i think they they really had belief in his vision and uh managed to stick around unlike another network that just couldn't even continue to exist just to keep wayne going i i keep telling myself like ah shit man, I don't want to be canceled twice. As much as like, there were no expectations going into Amazon. I was, uh, now that we're starting to feel some positive stuff going on, I'm like, God, I could also be canceled twice for the same season of television, which is really fucked up. Was YouTube, uh, YouTube. I feel like they were pretty hands-off though with, with you and that season that you did with them.

Yeah, I mean, there's no – I mean, Stephen's speech in 10, that really long speech was – Stephen, was that five pages at one point? It was something really crazy, yeah. We went to a table read read and he read a five page speech and i just sat there going are they gonna stop me like when's the network gonna come i'm gonna go this can't be like i you know my big western speech that the guy gives before all the shit goes down you know for a half hour comedy it's fucking insane so but they never said it and it's just an example of the way they treated me and they treated the show from the get which they loved it from the get

they knew it was different and they let me make the show that i wanted to make and all of us make the show i wanted they wanted to make and you know it never we got we would get three notes and a compliment on every script i felt like they had a notepad that only had three lines on it because it was just like okay right i only have this room to fill up because i started laughing towards the end i'm like that's three notes in a so they didn't notice to death at all and they're really i mean that's kind of the benefit of being kind of a virgin network who, you know, unlike others who develop you to hell, you know? Yeah. And whatever happens next,

the result is you should all be very proud of that, that, that one season. And I, you know, I'm going to watch it again. I it's, it's just so good. And thank you all for joining me on my, uh, my little movie show. And, um, Thank you, Doug. Uh, anytime anybody wants to come back to, uh, you know, promote all these upcoming things, just, just uh just holler at me and i usually end episodes of this show lately by saying the last line like a classic last line from a movie

but today i'd like to close it with the final words that are spoken in the last episode of in the last episode of Wayne. I don't think it gives anything away, but that's what I'm going to do. Thanks again, guys. And thanks for listening, everybody. And as always, the fuck you looking at, bitch?

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