Doughboys - Buffalo Wild Wings 2 with Leslie Lee III

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

Leslie Lee III (Struggle Session) joins the 'boys to talk about Keto in quarantine, food in Japan, and to revisit Buffalo Wild Wings. Plus, a Star Wars edition of Slop Quiz.Sources for this week's intro:https://www.profootballhof.com/teams/buffalo-bills/team-facts/https://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/13/mf.nfl.teams.names/index.html#:~:text=Buffalo%20Bills,%2C%20Nickels%2C%20and%20Blue%20Devils.https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1511539-buffalo-bills-ranking-the-10-greatest-players-in-franchise-historyhttps://web.archive.org/web/20150701182341/http://www.buffalowildwings.com/Global/Company%20History%208%2029%2012%20Final.pdf#https://www.qsrmagazine.com/content/buffalo-wild-wings#:~:text=With%20a%20unit%20expansion%20rate,closing%20units%2C%E2%80%9D%20Chalupnik%20says.https://www.buffalowildwings.com/en/company/our-story/Advertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fm.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In 1960, the new American Football League established a franchise in Buffalo, New York, named in a fan contest after frontiersmen and Wild West showman Buffalo Bill Cody. The Buffalo Bills would go on to develop perhaps the most fanatical fan base in the National Football League, despite a legacy of pain that includes four straight Super Bowl losses and their greatest offensive player being O.J. Simpson. And the Bills are one of two things that put the upstate New York metropolis on the map, the other being the spicy sauce bird limb of disputed local origin known for its eatability and alcohol absorption properties, the Buffalo Wing.

In 1982, two Buffalo expats, Jim Disbrow and Scott Lowry, relocated to Columbus, Ohio noticing a posity of proper wing joints in the city. They decided to open a Buffalo wing spot, notably not a wing stop, of their own in the Buckeye State Capitol, savilly locating it next to sports powerhouse The Ohio State University, serving wings alongside a roast beef sandwich called the Weck. The wings outlived the Weck, and with its vast dining rooms and laser focused marketing tagline of wings, beer, sports, formerly pitched by comedian Steve Reniz easy, this asexual Hooters grew into one of the notable chain success stories of the aughts, currently sitting

at 1,200 plus locations. And while social distancing might preclude a dine in experience this coming NFL season, when Buffalo Bill's fans aren't suplexing each other through flaming folding tables at tailgate parties, they just might be chowing down on the output of the world's largest sit-down wing specialist. This week on Dope Boys, we return to Buffalo Wild Wings. Welcome to Dope Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, along with my co-host, The Hills Have No Eyes, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell.

Yeah, that's good. Pretty good. Hey, you know what? That was from Tanya and Darren Chan, who wrote, Here's my husband's roast, he is too scared to submit. Wow. Sounds like a real Dope Boys listener. Honey, honey, will you send him my roast, I'm scared.

RoastspoonMan at gmail.com. That's just good wife-in as far as I'm concerned. Really? I don't know. As someone with a wife, I would never make my wife roast my favorite podcast for me. I just don't think that that would be in the vows. I think it's kind of pathetic, personally. Yeah.

It is pathetic, but you know, like you said, it's on par for a Dope Boys listener. Mitch, we have an exciting episode today, great guest, but I want to talk about something that I just discovered, and I certainly did not innovate this. Someone else did this, and I copied it, but it has changed my home pizza consumption. Kitchen shears for slicing up your frozen pizza. It works so well. It's a little miracle. It's so much easier, and if you don't have a pizza cutter, a lot of people don't have

a specialized pizza cutter, but versus trying to saw through it with a knife, some kitchen shears, man, it'll just make quick work of that bad boy. Yeah, that sounds crazy what you're trying to do, saw through it with a knife, something sane. I mean, I've tried to do it with a chef's knife or a steak knife or whatever, and yeah, it's just it's very clumsy and cumbersome, you end up with those slices where all the cheese slides off of it, but we use those kitchen shears, rather. You're the spill master, I'm just surprised, and also, you know, you got some suicidal

tendencies, so I'm shocked that you haven't taken that, plunged that knife into the center of your chest somehow while trying to cut up a pizza. Jesus Christ. I was just going to comment that that is infamously the way that Sylvester Stallone eats his pizza in Cobra, he uses, he doesn't use kitchen shears, but he does use just like regular scissors to like slice it up the way he wants. Damn. That's fucking badass.

Does that mean I'm an alpha like Stallone now? Yeah, I guess so, yes, he is so, he is very badass in that movie, he never takes his sunglasses off. Wow. I'll put you more in the category of that guy who is too scared to send in a roast. I'd be too scared to ask my wife to send it in, that's the level I'd be at. Hey, we love Paul's Sheer, we love kitchen shears. It's true.

That's good. Leslie has, that's very good, Leslie has shared a clip in the chat, I am perusing it now on you. I'm watching it right now too, I gotta mute it. Yeah, this is Cobra, Sylvester Stallone embodying the character of Cobra, and you know, where does Stallone end and Cobra begin? We don't know. That's a good question.

He just sliced through that pizza with just some office scissors. I got a Google Chromebook ad, here we go, yeah, I'm watching it now too. I mean, he does look, he's got his sunglasses on in the house, there's no need for it, but he also, Cobra lives in like a pretty swanky apartment. It looks like it's like the office for a dot com. It looks like a podcasting studio, is Cobra, is Cobra a podcaster? There's no need for him to, there's no need for him to cut the slice the way he just did, this is insane.

No, he cut it, he didn't, like he cut it like in half horizontally, like against the grain, it was very strange. It was like a bris, he like cut off the tip of the fucking pizza, it was weird. It was very ceremonial, but Cobra is very interesting, not to get into it, but it's about a gang of serial killers that like have motorcycles and Oozies, they're going around Los Angeles. This was back when people thought that like everything was going to turn into Mad Max in LA and New York, it's one of those sort of films where like the city is hell and I'm the king of hell sort of thing with Cobra.

Escape from New York style. Yeah, exactly, but the dystopia went in the complete opposite direction and now they're just like these bedroom communities for the super rich and the working class can't even afford to go there or to live there. How the hell to Spoon Nation? Wags? Leslie, Emma, I'm going to hit you with a little drop, here we go, oh I got to share my, I got to share my audio, here we go.

Wow, amazing, amazing, was that a collab, did you know, did you work on that, did you get in the studio specifically for that, because that woo gave me chills, that's like Ric Flair in his prime. I feel like. You know what, it's very funny that you say that, this is, the email is labeled as Ric Flair times blur drop, hey guys, it's Charms McTurban from the Doe Squad, we know Charms, hearing you guys indistinguishable Ric Flair impressions inspired me to make this drop. Seriously, Charms McTurban, you got it, Leslie, you nailed it, right on the bat, you got it.

He loves to say woo, the man goes woo, yes he does, no he goes woo, that's what he does. That's amazing, that's amazing, that's a woo. And I think I did it, I think when I did it I said woo, I think I got it wrong. Sometimes when he would get, because he'd get very excited when he's given these promos and he'd be out of breath by sometimes, so sometimes you would get just a who, a who, or just kind of a breathy air would come out of his lungs because he had been rapping about his alligator's shoes and all the women he's going to sleep with for the past 30 minutes. I didn't even think of the, because I am obviously, to myself at least, in no state of physical

condition to endure a wrestling match, but I didn't think of the fact that I might be in such bad shape that I couldn't make it through a promo. Oh, definitely. It's a skill in and of itself. It's very funny to hear like a human being have like the small deflation of like a balloon or something, like when like, even like, even Stone Cold Steve Austin was always like, You know, like when it's like, or it's like when someone laughs, you know how when, you know, we've talked about this before wise when someone is like, you know what I mean?

Like the, that sort of laugh is very fun. It's like the last little bits of breath inside your body going out. That's how Marlon Brando dies in Godfather. And I'm sure you've heard that noise many times. All right. Our guest is a host of the politics and pop culture podcast struggle session. Leslie Lee, the third. Hi, Leslie.

Hey, thank you so much for having me. Very excited to be here in the dough house. Thank you so much for inviting me and waiting until we can no longer go to restaurants to have me on your podcast about going to restaurants. I do truly, truly appreciate that. That is coming soon. Old COVID. Yeah.

I mean, overdue. We've been meaning to have you on Leslie. We're glad we could finally make it happen in these, uh, these terrific, these horrific times. Trying times. Trying times. I said, I was trying. I was going to say terrible or horrific and I, I landed on terrific, which is the opposite

of what I was trying to say. Um, you know, did anyone, has anyone ever pointed this out that COVID is close to Kofi? Kofifi? Oh boy. That's money. Yeah. That's really good. Send that to Andy.

Send that to Andy Borowitz. He's going to want to use that. Let me tell you something. Come on, man. Kofifi and COVID, they're close, man. Come on, man. Is that Biden? That's, that's Biden at the debates.

I think that would clinch it for him. Um, Leslie, thank you so much for being here. So we, we, we already talked about how our unique situation, and I've been asking our guests in these times, um, what have you been doing nutritionally, dietarily, uh, during COVID when you can't really get out of the house as much? So, you know, I've been, I, you know, try to hit up the grocery store as infrequently as possible, like once every one and a half to two weeks and just, you know, buying and bulk, which saves you a lot of money, saves a lot of money.

But, you know, every so often we will get, um, a takeout, you know, from a place because there's tons of restaurants, um, where I live. It's one of those little fabricated communities with like a strip mall built around the apartment complex. And so there's like tons of restaurants, uh, out there. So we, we'll get a takeout, but I, uh, dietarily speaking, I have been, I started off the, uh, pandemic doing vegan Keto. Wow.

Vegan Keto. Wow. No, number, or at least vegetarian Keto. Number what, so two of those, you know, at the same time. Now I had to drop the vegetarian cause come on. It was so stressful. It was so stressful. I think everybody was stress eating, but the fact that I had like two diets going simultaneously,

I could drop the vegetarian, unfortunately, but still feel good about keeping the Keto and keeping, at least keeping, uh, that going, even if I couldn't stick to the vegetarian just cause it was just everybody, everybody. I mean, we've all experienced the same thing, you know, you, you want to eat like garbage because there's nothing else to do, you know, but I've been sticking with the Keto. That's why I wanted to do, uh, BWWs cause that's basically one of the only places you can get restaurants. Right.

Aside from like getting a hamburger with no bun, you know, but. What, what do you even, cause I've done a Keto or I haven't done Keto before, but I've done like a low carb more of a, we talked about this a little bit last week with Ed Zittron about like a kind of a no carb slash Atkins sort of thing before when I've, when I've been trying to drop some weight and every time I remember looking at those guides, it's like, it's like, it's much harder if you're vegetarian, like cause you lose all these protein options. Like what do you even eat if you're on vegetarian Keto? So I mean, a lot, obviously lots of vegetables, um, you know, nuts.

Yeah. You can snack on, uh, if you're not doing vegan, so I wasn't doing vegan. I was doing vegetarian. So I would still eat, uh, like cheese and. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Eggs, you know, but yeah, vegan would be, uh, I think would be very, very, uh, tough, but yeah, relying on, you know, eggs for your protein, a little bit of cheese. Uh, and then, you know, some of the beyond meat, um, stuff is actually a Keto. I was surprised to be on me. Oh wow. It's still a Keto friendly for the most part. So, you know, just trying stuff and then trying new stuff, cauliflower, obviously, uh, because a big part of your life.

Right. Yeah. So, avocados to avocados. Right. I was talking, I was talking scissor pizza earlier and you know, the pizza I was referring to was a cauliflower crust pizza. Oh, see, there you go. I got some cauliflower's from Costco again, buying in bulk.

Yeah. And there, and there, you can get those everywhere now. So it's very, very, uh, convenient. I, people, I used to, you can make them at home. I wouldn't recommend it though, cause it smells really, really bad. Oh, interesting. You can make your own like cauliflower crust. Maybe the start, start, start, uh, ones may smell a little bit better.

If I order delivery, delivery for one of those, I'd probably have it addressed to the dumpster behind my house. Oh, come on. Sounds like shit. I don't want fucking cauliflower pizza. It sucks. It works better than you'd expect. Oh, I'm sure.

No, it does. I will say. It's a nice simulchrum of the real thing. I had, I had a cauliflower shell's, uh, bolognese from Freshly the other day. Not that this is, this is not a paid content for Freshly. No, the Dolboys can't be bought. But I, I really enjoyed it. It was, they, they, they did do a good job.

Is there something with cauliflower? It's a little, it's the little, uh, it's the one that you can make taste like other foods. Yeah. Something about it. It works as a binding agent. It works as a, yeah, it worked. I don't know why, I don't know what it, what property is exactly, but it works pretty well. Yeah.

It's something, uh, some cauliflower, uh, hot wings are, can be like as good as the real thing. If they make them. Wow. Um, I've had, I've had some fried cauliflower in different, like a, like, you know, like an appetizer. It does work pretty well. Uh, you, you were talking about the smell when you're preparing the crust cause Natalie

has made, uh, uh, my lovely wife Natalie has made cauliflower crust pizza from scratch at home. Um, and like made in like, I think in a, a skillet, she's done it a few different ways. Um, and it's been great, but I don't remember the smell. I don't remember the, the, the crust specifically smelling. So it was my wife who made it. I think it was cause she, uh, the way she prepared the cauliflower and we, and this was in Japan. So it was like a very small kitchen right next to the living room.

So maybe then smells. So maybe if you have air to like, if you have ventilation, maybe it's not as much of a problem. It's also possible it was muted by, you know, my own natural smell. Like that just sort of overwhelmed it. Um, you know what? Yeah. Mullen musk. We've, we've said, we've said before on the podcast that I'm not a smelly guy, but I remember,

uh, when I shot that video with Tom Brady, when I took my shirt off, he told me that he smelled my belly button and I've been, you know what? Oh, Jesus. Geez. Wow. Hey, look, it's gross. Look, shut up. No, no, no, no, no, no, Mitch, that's not the thing.

Like being told that by Tom Brady, you know, the alpha of alpha guys, like how did you recover? Like that would kill me. That was like literally kill me of Tom Brady. He said, even something jokingly, you know, kind of mean to me. You know what? Now that you say that, fuck Tom Brady. He doesn't, he's not a Patriots player anymore.

Why? Wow. You know what? Immediately. He left the team. Look, he left the team. Of course, yes, he had the make America great hat again in his locker. That was not a good stretch for me.

But also, I don't know, if Koala gave me a hat that's a Koala president, I'd be like, sure, I'll put it in my locker and then Koala gets a fucking elected president and he's a fucking monster. Then you know, what are you going to do? Man, build the wall. Koala. Oh my God. Koala.

Oh no. No problem. He would be assassinated immediately. Koala, I'm saying. Parody. Jesus said I wanted to get in trouble. But, you know, once COVID happened and he started to sell his COVID elixirs, Dano texted you and I about this wager.

Yes. Tom Brady's COVID elixirs maybe be able to say fuck Tom Brady, especially now I think that he said my belly button smelled. Fuck you, Tom Brady. Wow. Buccaneer piece of shit. Yeah, what have you done for me lately? Totally.

Yeah. I'm a Cam Newton guy now. I'm excited. Wow. I mean, the season's not going to happen most likely, but I'm excited. I feel like the NFL is just reckless enough to just go full steam ahead regardless. It's kind of what MLB did. I mean, because the thing is, it's like there's just so much money involved in this thing.

It's like billions of dollars. Right. Like they don't care if like a few people die. They don't. That's enough profit. That's enough money that they'll, they'll, they'll send up a few people out to die if that's, you know, what it takes to like get to keep that revenue coming in. And you know what?

NBA has done such a great job with it. Nick, we've both been watching the games. Yes. We've been enjoying ourselves. And so it's a bummer to see a place do it really, really well. And then another place not care at all, especially because it has Tom Brady, the guy who fucking thinks I'm some sort of human garbage pail kid, piece of shit. How did he describe the smell of your belly button?

Or did he just say he could smell it and then end of sentence? I think he just said he could smell it and that was it. He said, oh, it stinks. I think it's not like that. How did he know it was your belly button? I mean, just look, go back and watch the video. We don't have to just get into this. He thinks I'm a big fucking garbage pail kid.

He's a piece of shit. Wow. I'm a man. Nick, were you a fan of the garbage pail kids? Too gross for your taste. I kind of like them, but I didn't. I never owned any of the cards. Leslie garbage pail kids.

I was a fan. I was a fan. I was a fan. I had some of the cards, some of the stickers. I really, really liked them. And my mom like, buy me for them for some reason. She liked them too. They're kind of funny, but why are you a fan without getting the stuff?

Yeah, I would like admire other kids' collections and be like, oh, that's cool. Messy Tessie, that's cool. And then I saw the movie and I think I like recognize some of the kids. The movie's weird as hell. You did punch up on the movie, right? That's the kind of thing I would be brought in for a round table for. Make $150 for a day of pitching alts for which garbage pail kid could get like a slime dumped on them. I remember garbage, I wonder with garbage pail kids now if that, because it's a parody of

cabbage patch kids. And I feel like cabbage patch kids have completely disappeared from the collective consciousness. People don't even remember. So garbage pail kids is like actually endured more than the thing that it satirizing. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they were both kind of, that's the thing is cabbage, cabbage patch kids were kind of ugly looking weird things, right?

Like they were weird dolls. And then garbage pail kids are even weirder and grosser. Weird toys, my buddy also strange. Yes, I had a my buddy. Kind of. Oh God. I had the monster one. My buddy.

I had the monster one. Oh, my pet monster. Yes. I begged for it. I begged my parents for it. I was so happy. I got it for, I think my birthday and I really actually liked it. I think it lived up to the hype.

That was a good as toy if you were like six or seven. What was the my pet monster? He was like a little blue and there was a little cartoon show about him for a while. He was just like a, he ate garbage. Yeah. A blue guy. Hmm. I don't remember this guy.

He was like a doboy host. He sounds like the way you're describing him. He sounds like Sully from Monster's Inc. Nah, he's a little more attitude and crazy. Okay. Yeah. He's more of a wild monster. He wasn't fully like sentient.

Like killing him would not be murder. More or less. I'm looking at him now and he's so he's got like his fur is blue. He's got like purple features, a big purple and teal features, big like like sharp teeth, horns, and he's also shackled. Yes. He's shackled like how like he's forced to be your friend. Well, he's just so out of control because you can't take him around other people because

he will hurt them because he's a monster. He's a vicious monster. Wow. We got to get you some of those shackles wags for when we go on tour. I think it would have been scared to have the my pet monster. I don't think I could have handled it. God. I feel bad for your my buddy.

Hey, my buddy. How are you doing, buddy? Just sitting there. I think I feel like it would become sentient like Chucky but just fucking leave, jump off a bridge. I did wash his hair once and it like ruined his head. Jesus Christ. He's looked all fucked up after. That's what Chucky is based on, right?

Chucky's based on. They look similar enough that, you know, again, it might be another thing where people were the thing that it's a parody of ends up having a longer shelf life than the original. Because yeah, it certainly looks similar. It's just like basically a doll of a child that you, I guess, if you're a friendless kid like I was, you could have in your room and pretend he's your companion. Jesus. Yeah, well, it was a little bit more cynical than that.

It's just like they looked at the profit margins on dolls for girls and decided that they wanted to convince boys to play with dolls too. And so that's where the my buddy came from. Wow. Absolutely worked on me. It fucking worked. Leslie, you mentioned earlier you living in Japan and I wanted to talk about that a little bit because yeah, I've never been there.

I'm certainly intrigued by it. But I know that anytime I've heard someone who spend any time in Japan, they rave about the food. I was curious if you had any specific recollections or any things that you remember fondly from your time in Japan. Oh, God, I love being there. I mean, any kind of food you want, you can get more or less, even international foods. Maybe not a ton of Mexican restaurants, but you can get Italian. You can get tons of Chinese places. But as far as like specifically like Japanese stuff, I really was a big fan of Udon.

Udon stuffed tile noodles. I lived in Yamanachi prefecture and that prefecture is famous for having, you know, some of the biggest, best, thickest Udon. Udon is just is the really, really thick noodle in Yamanachi. They make it even thicker than that. Wow. It's so good and filling and usually, you know, very affordable, you know, it's a working class sort of food. People make, you know, bougie versions of it, but it really is just like a really like hearty meal in a big bowl for not that much. Udon, I feel like, sometimes gets forgotten in the noodle realm.

But Udon is great. I've seen it more in the past few years in here in the States than I ever would have before a few places serve it. Even noodles and company thinks they sell Udon, but it's actually kind of thin in comparison. But yeah, I'm a big fan of Udon. Also like the Yakiniku, which is, you know, the Japanese barbecue. I think most people here call it Korean barbecue is just where you kind of grill the thin meats yourself. That's very popular. Gyukaku is a famous chain in Japan and also in the U.S.

I'm sure they're in LA. I've been to one in New York and they're just like really, really just tender, juicy, delicious little slices of meat in each one. Just a little slice of heaven. Leslie, another scissor meal is this barbecue. Yes, yes. You do use a scissor at times. Yes, you absolutely do. Carolina, what are other scissor meals?

I can't think of too many more. Something, I mean, it's probably one served in a Tim Burton film. Oh, God. So any meal for Edward Scissor Hands, you're saying? Yeah, it's a scissor meal. Definitely, yes, yes. I mean, he's not eating with his feet. So how about Freddie? Does it count for Freddie or is that the razor?

That's a glove. Yeah, that's a glove. Yeah, I don't think he really has a scissor side to it. He could use two together, whatever. Look, we don't have to get into this. Too controversial, honestly. So you're talking about Udon, Gyu-Kan- First of all, we got to go to Japan.

Sorry, I just stepped on you as you were starting to go into a new question. But yes. That's all right. The Doughboys live in Japan. We go to Super Mario. We go to the Super Mario Land. Well, there's one out here, though, they're building, right? Yeah, but I don't know.

It will be more fun in Japan. I hear that. What's the, is it Disney Sea? Yeah. That's what everyone raves about, the theme park there? Yeah, there's a Disney Sea as long as along with, you know, just a regular Disney world. There's tons of, there's a Universal Studios. If you want to go out there, there's tons of amusement parks and stuff.

And people, I think people, especially in Tokyo, people go a lot. Like, like some of my students, I was a teacher, they would go to Disney like every other weekend. It's just like, that's just a casual thing that, yeah, they would do just for fun. But yeah, I personally never went because I'm not a big Disney person at all. Wow. If anybody's listening to my podcast, they probably realize I'm not the biggest Disney fan. But yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. I get, I get, I get why I get, I get it. There's, for me, I've said this forever is that I'm so torn on Disney. I love, I love some aspects of Disney and then I of course hate the terrible sides of Disney. But now, now it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem to be as paying up as well anymore when the output is not great. You know what I mean? Like it's just kind of the parks. That is the only thing that I really, I don't love Disney films anymore.

I guess Pixar. Yeah. Pixar, I feel like is the only thing that I'm real. I mean, you know, it's, I, people like the Marvels. I find them kind of exhausting. I do like, I do like, I like Force Awakens. Okay. I like the last Jedi.

I've actually discussed this on Struggle Sessions. Stop it. Just, just fucking give it up. I like it. I like, you know, to be in real with you, like, I know, even when I was a little kid, like, having to watch like the Lion King in class was hell for me. Wow. Nothing about Disney, even I'm not even talking about the Star Wars or the Marvel stuff.

Like this basic clear cut Disney stuff, Mary Poppins, Alice in Wonderland. None of that shit did anything for me like ever. Even as a kid, I'll always like, this sucks. Like I much would much rather watch Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes, even compared to the Mickey Mouse cartoons. Looney Tunes is way better than like the old school Mickey Mouse shorts. Is that, is that a controversial statement? Like who prefers Donald to Daffy in this day and age?

I love Donald. I think Donald is the only, is one of the only like very good Disney characters as far as the, the, the most characters. I mean, I don't know. Over the years, they've kind of lost all of it too, but Goofy was fun. We all enjoyed Goofy for a while. Goofy's fun. You know, I think the main issue is that just, yeah, you're right that the Looney Tunes just

have so much more character to them. Whereas Disney, it's just, they're, they're just kind of, a lot of those characters are kind of bland or nothing. And then they're also kind of like Mammy archetypes too. Like Mickey Mouse is just like blackface. He's just a blackface character. Wow. It's true.

You know what? It's true. I go on the record as hating Mickey Mouse. How's that? Disavow, disavow. Oh, I'm canceled. Oh, no, Mickey. Oh, try hope.

I'm okay. Not to put you out, not to put you out there, but you've been in a lot of TV shows. When it was going around that they were taking all the blackface stuff off of streaming service, did you have to think back and wonder, is, are any, is, what is the thing I'm putting in? Dear God. You know, it's funny to me because I think that I would always feel uncomfortable doing that, which is surprising to me that it happens, that it was, that it happened so much.

Cause like, I think of that, sure, if I was 25 or something, I got cast in something that they were like, you got to do it. And the joke is that it's awkward or whatever. I probably as a young guy would maybe have taken that role and done it. Of course. Of course. Of course. I'm actually like, at this point now I'm mad that I have to like pirate those episodes.

Now if I'm going back and watching, it's always, I have to go through like you're making just black people do more work. I'm supposed to be like, like I have to now have to go out and pirate my favorite sitcom in order to see all the episodes. Well, it's just a funny thing too to pretend that it didn't happen when it should be like, well, maybe she should own some of that shit. Yeah, own it. Say you did it and you're going to do better from now on.

That's all you got to do. But I, but even in, like in college, I feel like where you're, you know, you're pretty peak dumb around that age or younger or even high school. Like I would never feel comfortable doing something like that. That's why I was so shocking to be like, what? There's this many instances of it in the, in the 2000s. Like it blew my mind because like me, a guy who people make fun of for being a dummy. Not true.

Obviously I'm one of the brightest people in Hollywood, but a brightest. That's the best word I could come up with. I would even, even, even me at that. Like if I, if like a sketch or something like that or anything like that, I'd be like, I don't think so. You know what I mean? I don't think I would ever want to do it. And then when all this, when, you know, when like some of this stuff was happening and

people were dealing with some dealing with racism and kind of looking at themselves, it was like, there's so many examples of people doing it that it just blew my mind. Nick, I know you felt the same way because we talked about it, but. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's wild. It's, it's such a different, like it feels like a, a completely different era, but it really wasn't that long ago when it was just sort of like, oh, all this stuff is happening under the guise of irony or whatever.

Yes. It was like, it was like, oh man, like Alf did black and I'm like, Alf, Alf did it. And then, but then, but then later on it was like also it was like entourage or something. You know what I mean? I was like, what the fuck? 30 Rock, 30 Rock. Yeah. Like crazy.

Because I mean, we talk about this a lot in struggle session. For people who don't know, struggle session is a podcast about where politics and pop culture intersect. So we'll talk about things like the fact that in 2016, every comedian stopped making dead baby jokes on Twitter and all became political pundits. And every, and so far, like people are still dealing with the fallout from that because up until like 2015, 2016, what you did on Twitter was make like as many jokes as possible, plenty that were offensive and would be considered completely online now.

And then overnight, everyone was posting about how they were resistance warriors and this, that and the other ends. Like there was a conf there was like, there was no like transition period where people said, all right, so are we going to forgive all this stuff that we were saying or are we because what would happen is one person gets in trouble for it. Like say, Kevin Hart got in trouble for some old jokes he made. And then like he got condemned by, you know, comedians who had their own history of making like, you know, extremely edgy racist jokes, some blackface to involved in that.

So it was like, all right, so like there has to be a better way to talk about these problematic things from the past, where, whether it's, you know, a sitcom, an old movie instead of just every time it comes up, we make some big reactionary, you know, statement that usually just means if we like the person, what they did was okay. If we dislike him, what they did was completely, completely unforgivable. You kind of have nailed it. I mean, it just, a lot of that stuff has just made me be like, oh, we're such like scared dummies, all of us that we can't have conversations like that.

But Nick and I would still make dead baby jokes, but we disagree about where life starts. Yeah, that's the big issue. Nick believes it begins at birth. And for me, I think it starts in the sack, baby. I'm talking the ball sack. Emma recoiled when you said that. Visibly flinched. Before we started recording, Mitch told us about how sticky his floor is.

So I guess that means your floor is covered in dead babies. Emma comes through with a dead baby joke of anyone. No, I, I, I had, I had to have someone install something today. I had someone in my house since the, since the, for the first time since, since COVID started and we both were face masks, but it was a, it was, it was a, it got me nervous, Nick, to have someone in here. It's strange. I imagine.

Very intimate. Yeah. It was, it was, it was weird. And it, I mean, he was, he had been doing it and he, but he was also like, Hey man, I'm nervous for myself too. And he was, he was on top of stuff. Byron, you know what? Byron also had some opinions on today's restaurant.

Wait, he did? Yeah. Wow. Fascinating. We'll get into that in a bit. He certainly did. Byron was the man, by the way. He was, he was awesome.

Shout out Byron. Speaking of, speaking of today's restaurant, speaking of restaurants in general, I'm curious, are there any, you mentioned Kyu Kaku, are there any chains that you are particularly a fan of Leslie outside of what we're reviewing today? You know, if I, if I'm not doing Kato, the biggest thing, the biggest treats in the world, at least as far as the U.S. goes is raising Cane's chicken fingers. Raising Canes. Raising Canes.

We've, we've heard from a few people that we need to do Raising Canes. And I've never tried it. I'd say probably like five or so people have really pushed for it. Oh yeah. It's from my hometown, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The first Raising Canes is right outside of LSU where I went to college. I eat there all the time. It is just, I mean, they only do chicken fingers.

They only do chicken fingers, but the, but you had, but the sauce is very, very important to it. There's a ritual. You never, never order the coleslaw. Oh my God. If you ever go to Cane's and order the coleslaw, that just means that there's no one in your life that loves you. I'm sorry to say.

Wow. Like you do not get the coleslaw. You either substitute it for extra sauce, which is my preference, or extra, or extra piece of toast. Every meal comes with Texas toast and Cane's is, is just, you know, the best, one of my favorite chains, you know, is from, from my hometown, but I, I've also eaten it like around the country. And, you know, they have a pretty good standards and it's just been like, I really, I love

seeing the expand all over the place. It's a really great restaurant. What is your, so what is the issue with the slaw? Why is it, why is it a no go? So it's not really, it's just not really good, but I feel like it really is legitimately like a test to see like, are you with it or not? Do you get it or not? This was started by, you know, just one guy, you know, opening up a little restaurant.

And so it's always like a rite of passage. Like every time, hey, bro, you, you heard about this place called Cane's. Yeah, I'm going to take you there, but make sure when you order, do not get the coleslaw sub it out for extra, no slaw extra sauce every single time. It's like a little cold word to let that lets them know that you're down and you get it. Cut to Wyger and I both getting large coleslaws on our first visit. I like it. I'm curious, is it, wait, so is it a, is it a mayo based?

Is it a vinegar based slaw? I don't know. I've never had it. I've never had it. You, Leslie, you know, he's going to get the slaw now. I'm definitely going to try this slaw. Just make sure I would just recommend getting the extra sauce to them. They will give you extra sauce for a price.

Is it one sauce? Do they have multiple sauces? There's only one type of sauce. There's only one type of sauce, but you're going to get a number of those strips and you, you always underestimate how much sauce you're going to want on those strips. Wow. We're going to do it at some point. We will.

Once we can go on the road again, we'll do it. So yeah, they just have the, they just have the tendies, the chicken fingers at raising canes. I guess that kind of leads us to, into this week's chain. What are your preferences when it comes to breaded chicken? Are we talking, you know, cause you got your, you got your whole bird, you got your fingers, you got your, your bone in wings, you got your boneless wings, you got your nuggets. What do you like to go with?

All right. So you said breaded. Now that's a key difference. Cause if you're doing Kato, you can't really do breaded. But if we are talking breaded, I do prefer, you know, the chicken tendies. Now the Canes chicken tenders are very different than most you'll see. They're closer to like the Popeyes chicken tenders, but they're a lot softer and better. But I do like the more traditional, like with very, very heavy, like the, the Canes fingers

are very light breading, but the traditional one that you can get from the grocery store or wherever that has just like tons of bread on it. I think, I do think it's pretty good too. I just like a chicken breasts in general. I would prefer a chicken breast over anything, however else you cook it. Those chicken tenders, it like seems like it's made for like rock people from never ending story. It's like the hardest, it's like the breading is like the, like it feels like rocks.

It's crazy. It's, it's, it's like super, it's super breaded. And I like, I like that too, because sometimes you take a bite into a big chunk of batter and it can be all you want, you know what I mean? It's fantastic. Yeah. Same thing with, with, with, with chicken skin, Nick. We were talking about this with Bon John.

You bite into like a big thing of, of chicken skin and it's, it can be the best bite of the entire meal. I love chicken skin. I also, you know, sometimes just get like that little runoff of just some batter just got thrown into the fryer and then it just ends up with your meal and just get like that pure batter that that can sometimes be satisfying in a small dose. Remember they asked us that at, at Long John Silvers. They asked if we wanted like just like the, the, like the fried batter, you remember that?

Yeah. That's a thing they have. They just will give you some extra batter leaveings. It's very odd. And it's not all that, it's not actually not pleasant. It was pretty bad. It was a disgusting, disgusting country. And when they saw, you know what sucks is they saw us and they're like, you two want

some fucking, you want some fucking batter leftovers, don't you? And we were like, no. And I really, but I do really dislike the Long John Silvers batter, the like puffy kind of tender. Yeah. That is garbage. I really like hate that kind of bread. There can always be, I feel like those are more, I think that they can be good, but they're

more likely to have a bad cook. Yes. Like I feel like the tenders are, you're maybe going to get a rubbery tender in that scenario or maybe an undercooked tender, you know, like too wet. I get a lot that I feel like are a little bit too wet and just the puffiness of it can like throw off this, since there's any kind of real food or at least a food that you're used to for me. And a puffy or a thin batter can be good for fried fish.

So I think that that is why it's like that at Long John Silvers. Yeah. They apply the same batter to a chicken. They call it chicken planks. That's the name for their tendies. But you know, we know it's a puffy batter that I think works pretty well. I'm not sure if you characterize it as puffy Leslie, but back to Japan, your tempura. Yes.

That's, see, so I guess the cane's batter is pretty similar to the tempura. Very similar. And that's a little bit, that has a little bit of crunchiness to it. More than that overwhelms I think the puffiness, but most tempura has a little bit more of a crunchiness that makes the puffy stuff kind of work. Got it. Leslie, if we, if we went to Super Nintendo World in Japan, what do you think the chances are I'd be called Bowser's son?

Would it be very high or? I honestly, I would say it would be very low, but they, you probably would be asked if you were a sumo wrestler or professional wrestler. That is quite likely. Is that true that they get just a big, a giant man, they're going to ask that question? Yeah. Yeah. If you're a big, giant man, they're going to think you're, you know, might be a pro wrestler

because I mean, most of the people, most of the foreigners that you would see in Japan, not most obviously, but higher than you expect, number of large foreigners you would see are just professional athletes or performers who would be, you know, in, in Tokyo, like much more likely than, you know, if you were in America and just saw like a tall and shaped guy, like in Japan, there's at least like a 33% chance test. He's a professional wrestler. I'll just, all I'll do, I'll flex for them and they'll, and I'll answer their question immediately whether I'm a professional athlete, you know, speaking of, because that reminds

me so of talking about wrestling and Japan, there's a famous Jap steakhouse in Japan that all the professional wrestlers eat and here's the deal. If they know you're a professional wrestler, it's called Ribeiro steakhouse and they serve kangaroo, kangaroo steaks and they taste pretty good. But the thing is, if you, you're a professional wrestler and you go there, they give you a jacket that says Ribeiro steakhouse and the jackets have become like a collector's item because when, because all the foreign wrestlers would go there to eat pretty, pretty well for very cheap and then they would get a nice jacket souvenir and so people would, sometimes

people will try to like lie and get a jacket and say like, oh yeah, I'm a pro wrestler to get a jacket. They're real collector's items. Wow. That's awesome. You could see New Japan and, and, and when we went to Japan, they're in the dome, right? Don't they, aren't they in the Tokyo dome? New Japan, they run the Tokyo dome like once or twice a year, not every time.

Yeah. Not every time. But Corriken Hall is right, right next to the Tokyo dome and they run that and all the professional wrestlers are being used. Promotions run that like four times a weekend before it comes out. Oh wow. Damn. Why is we going to get over there?

I'd be curious to go. I'm also, I'm just curious about the business model of Ribeiras that they have the stash of jackets they can give away. That feels like that would be expensive from an inventory standpoint. Let me show you the jacket. They're not like the highest quality jackets. Got it. This is like you're buying in bulk for like the JV team, you know, just in like adult

size. You know, they're, they're, they're not bad. They're not the cheapest model you could probably get, but they're, they're, they're close probably. And they're given to VIPs, why? Yeah. Yes. No, that's true. They're probably not distributing that many of them.

They look like a, a, you know, a pretty, a fairly low quality track jacket. I guess it was different from what I, I was picturing like a blazer. Like, like, if you win like a golf tournament, like you win a master's tournament, so they do a little ceremony for you, for the professional wrestlers. Yes. I'd love that. But this, but yeah, it seems like it's more on the order of what you'd get if you like ate the entire, you know, you ate the jet, you ate the two pound burger and under 30 minutes

and they give you a T-shirt that says like, I eat the big kahuna or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Mitch, I have my, one of the, I have my picture, Natalie and I went to this, we used to go to this restaurant, this restaurant Fab Hot Dogs in Recita, California. And they had a challenge to eat the entire menu and we did it. We both did it and we both have our pictures on the wall at this hot dog place. Wow.

Yeah. First image on the wall of the hot dog place. Yeah. See, we're bearers. You get a jacket. You take something with you down and just take something from you. That's true. I wonder if business went down when they put your fucking picture up on the wall.

Finish what you're doing. Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say that they probably covered your side up with a minion or something and Natalie's standing next to a minion. You should have taken the break. I wasn't trying to distract from the break. We'll take a break. Come on.

Go to the break. God damn it. Welcome back to Doughboys. Our guest, Leslie Lee III, our chain, Buffalo Wild Wings. We were first to read Buffalo Wild Wings, yes. Peek behind the curtain. When we go to a break, we just don't stop. We just keep going.

Sometimes we stop. Sometimes someone needs a bathroom breaker. Sometimes you get a water or something. Generally, the amount of time that you've just spent listening to ads is seconds from our standpoint. We're basically, I'm doing a reset for the listener's benefit. It's for you guys. It's for you guys.

We do this for you guys. You kind of bring in the theory of relativity and if you're traveling on a spaceship near the speed of light and another spaceship is traveling slower, faster, time passes differently for you too. You're saying that's kind of what the fans are going through right now. Listen to us talk after they've already experienced a break, but we never experienced that break. Yeah. It's like a podcast interstellar.

That's kind of what they're experiencing. But we have... Weigar got really old during the ad break and the rest of us are the same age. Interstellar, what happens in that? Someone gets old, right? There's different... The universe is drawn by love. It's a garbage movie.

It's a bad movie. It's a bad movie. I'm so glad we can all say that now. We can admit that interstellar is a bad movie. Tenet was supposed to save the movies this summer, but not going to happen, Nick. Not in the US at least. It's just not coming out. Yeah.

Just not going to happen. It was scared of Ghost Draft, to be honest with you. There you go. Now the Tomorrow War. It ran away. Yes. Now the Tomorrow War. Well, real heads know it as Ghost Draft.

We'll always call it Ghost Draft. Yeah. Hell yeah. I think the title was too scary. I think the title was too scary. So, Buffalo Wild Wings, we first reviewed back in the day with Matt Selman. Way, way back in the day. I think Year One of Doughboys was our first trip to there.

You know, we did a Ghost Draft. Did anyone draft Slimer? I'm pretty sure Slimer was drafted. Slimer was drafted? This was on a Patreon episode, a Doughboys double episode. I hope I got them. I'm sorry to reflect on an old episode, but I hope I got Slimer. I'm sure someone can look up the Doughboys Wikipedia and figure out exactly what happened,

what transpired. I don't remember. Nope. No glimpse of Slimer this summer. It was going to be a Slimer summer. Oh yes. Yes. Ghost Buster is a return reunion, something like that.

Yeah. Would there have been a Slimer? There has to be a Slimer. You can't do Ghost Buster Slimer. Just a little glimpse at Slimer. I'll always know him as Onion Head. It was founded in Columbus, Ohio by two Buffalo expats. There are over 1200 locations.

It was originally called Buffalo Wild Wings and Weck, because one of their signature items was a Weck sandwich, which is a roast beef sandwich on a Weck roll. Has anyone had a Weck sandwich? I feel like I have, but maybe I'm wrong. I've heard of them. I know that much, but I can't honestly tell you if I had or not. I guess you're probably spending some time in upstate New York,

as you did for university. You might have had one at some point. But yeah, they dropped the Weck, it's cleaner, and they became Buffalo Wild Wings, and that's the brand that endures. We talked about breaded chicken, Leslie, but as you observed, wings are not necessarily breaded. What are your wing preferences? All right.

For wing preferences, okay. My ideal wing order is probably going to be, I'm going with 15 to 20, depending on how hungry you are. If you want to save up, I usually always save up, because I think BWW keeps kind of well for a day or two. So you bought your wings, especially on a Tuesday, which we originally were supposed to do this episode on, but somebody had to cancel and move it out.

I would have twice as many wings. In food for the next week and a half, if we didn't have to move the show, it's fine. But I like to go with Parmesan, regular wings, regular traditional wings, not the bites, not what they call them, buffalo bites or whatever, not those little round things. Parmesan garlic, one sauce, smoky adobo, which is new,

which is new, so people might not know about that. I'm also doing spicy garlic, which is really nice, in between like a hot and just like a kind of flavor. And then, you know, this time, against my better judgment, perhaps, I usually like to get just one traditional hot, maybe even a wild. This time today, I did a full blazing.

A full blazing, which is no joke. I have forgotten. I had not had it in years, I think, because I would just usually get the hot, maybe the wild. The blazing is like hot wing sauce, plus just like, I think they just grind up like peppers and put it on top of it too. It's just, it can be very hot.

It's impressive for a chain restaurant. It's pretty impressively hot. Yeah, it's not playing around. It's not playing around at all. I feel like both the Buffalo Wild Wings and Wingstop at their top end do have a legitimately very spicy sauce. But, you know, for the most, you're right, Mitch, that for the most part,

a lot of these chains just kind of mute the heat level to make it more mainstream and more accessible. But, and speaking of which, one of the sauces I got was Nashville Hot Sauce, which is actually on their scale rated as a medium sauce. Nashville Hot is medium. Wow. Up is down.

It can't be like Holland Ray's level, right? I mean, it's not that hot. No, it's not, I mean, it's not very hot at all, but I mean, you could have thought, they could have been a hot version of Nashville Hot, because I do think it was a spicy chicken, but I think they wanted to make it more accessible. I think they wanted to say like, hey,

everyone's going to want to try Nashville Hot, because it's in the zeitgeist, so let's make it. It's new, right? Yes, it is. It's new, yeah, it's one of their newer sauces. Okay. So you like, it sounds like Leslie, it sounds like you're like me, you like the bone in wings

over the boneless. Mitch, you're a boneless man. Now, hold on, Nick. Hold on. First of all, I'm not a fan of bones. I'm not a fan of boning in any way. I don't like, I don't, skeletons are scary. Skeletons are scary as hell.

You and I are both anti-sex, shouldn't happen. I oppose, I'm pro, I oppose sex. We call it the sinful deed. We're pro-absent as we both oppose the sinful deed. Yes. I'm married, so of course I'm pro-absent as well. I'm not, I, but hold on a second, because I like boneless wings like in Quincy

when they're really good boneless wings. And I will get boneless wings at B-Dubs, but I also like to get some, I like to get some wings with the bone in. I'll switch it up. And I think that B-W-W does some good bone in wings as far as fast food wings are concerned. Leslie, I want to ask you quickly,

you say that they keep well. What do you do with leftover wings? Do you eat them cold or do you heat them up in the oven? Or, I mean, I'm sure some people nuke them, but that seems, just doesn't seem right to me. How do you? I do tend to nuke them very lightly. I might not even get them all the way hot,

but I'll sprinkle a little bit of water on them, you know, to kind of keep it moist. I feel like if you're just nuke it dry, like it's going to be dry and that tastes too well. I guess you could do them in the oven. You can even do like probably like an air fryer if you want to get really, you know, wild with it. But usually, you know, I'm just having some wings.

I don't need to make a big show out of it. You know, just put it on there 15, 20 seconds, just get it nice and warm up. But, you know, they're fine cold, too, to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah, I was wondering, I got the air fryer, Nick, so that's an option for me. I got a few leftover wings from this order.

Wow. But I don't know what to do there yet. But I like boneless wings when it's right. When it feels right, I'll do it. But at BWs, I go wing in and also the boneless wings have, I think, have a high amount of trans fat in them, which is the worst type of, I guess is the kind of that artificial fat that's really bad for you.

Yeah, you know what that, it leads to heart disease and decreased sexual performance is what I read online. So, I mean, one of those things I'm worried about. So, it sounds like, Leslie, it sounds like you've gotten takeout from Buffalo Wild Wings in the past. Is that correct? Yes, yes, yes. I've also been in the restaurant several times.

In fact, it was one of my favorite places to go to around, like, you know, the 2010s, because that was a good place to see the UFC fights. And I would go there, you know, once a month every Saturday and watch UFC for free, have a few wings. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. Not as good as Hooters now, or Hooters experience,

but, you know, a nice evening, going to BWs and watching, like, I don't know, Randy Couture beat up somebody. I really, I will say, and this is the interesting thing about evaluating BWs for this week, is that it is such a dine-in experience. That's how I always think of it. In fact, this is the first time I've ever gotten takeout

from Buffalo Wild Wings, even though I've been a number of times. I mean, this is, and I like it. I like going to the dine-in, I like the dine-in experience. I like the sugary cocktails. I like the apps. I like the way that it's situated in the bar area where, you know, they've got all these TVs

for sports watching, as you observe. Yeah, the atmosphere of just being bombarded with more, I guess it was more impactful around, like, 2010. But, like, going into that restaurant and seeing, like, 20, 50-inch TVs was just, like, what the fuck? They put a lot of money in this, and they're, like, blasting me with, like, soccer games

that I didn't know were happening. It was a very, like, kind of disorienting, but also kind of, like, fun experience. Like, Alice in Wonderland. A very boring Alice in Wonderland where you can just watch, like, ESPN, but still, like, all 15 different ESPNs, but still, you know, very, like, fun environment

and experience. Like, a half-bar, half-restaurant sort of thing, too. Like, it's a chain, but it kind of wants to feel like a dive, but, like, a dive owned by, like, the guy who owns the Skidoo dealership, so he's, like, a millionaire, and he can put anything he wants in his bar. That's kind of what, like, Buffalo Wild Wings is.

I agree with that. And that type of bar is kind of a sports bar has kind of always been my favorite bar to just kind of, like, you know, other bars, like, clubs. I don't love clubs. I don't love, like, uptight bars. Oh, like, a laid-back bar, Nick. Like, out here, there's Jay's Bar, and I think Jay's Bar is fine. It's a good alternative

where, like, it's kind of, like, a little, you know, a little dimmer, and there's tables, and you can sit down. I like to sit at a bar and watch TV or have that be, or have that be an option, like, to be able to see a game or whatever, and to have space. That's always my thing in bars. Well, especially now. Oh, 100%. And BW, BW's is, like,

it's that sort of thing of when you were, and you feel they're not during, like, March Madness or other, like, crazy times. You do have, it's big and spacey, and it feels, the ceilings are high, and it feels like a place where you kind of, can kind of stretch out a little bit, which I like about it. You can probably successfully, like,

live at most BW, W's, and, like, them not catching on for, like, a week or so, because they are, like, massive and cavernous. Like, only in America could you make a restaurant, like, this, you know, ginormous, like, for, like, wings that people only eat, like, every other weekend. Like, an updated, the terminal, you're just at,

and Tom Hanks is at the fucking BW's. And it's kind of also the opposite of Castaway, where he's getting bigger and bigger as the time goes by. So I got the, I went and I got mine to go from the Baldwin Hills location. I will say that they had, the service was super duper friendly, and they had a really good outdoor line-slash pickup setup, like, the way it was situated, you know, you queued outside,

socially distanced, and you got up to, no one went inside the restaurant, they were just, like, set up at the register, handing you your food right up front. I got the, I got bone in wings, and I got the sauces I got were jam and jalapeno, which is classified as hot, and Nashville hot, which is classified as medium.

You know, as I've said on the show before, a number of times, I'm something of a heat seeker, I like spicy foods, and the thing I regret is not going hotter than hot, because hot is hot, and it's not quite hot, if you want something hot. You really got to go up that wild tier, which is your hot barbecues, your mango habanero, your wild, and the aforementioned blazin' sauce,

which I believe is their hottest. I've had the mango habanero before, and I didn't love the flavor, but I do know that, I do remember liking the hot barbeque. Yeah, I should have gone more in that end. Here's what I'll say about my, my, my sauces. Nashville hot tasted okay, but I think it would have, as someone who's had some hot chicken, we reviewed a Nashville hot chicken place.

Yeah. In Nashville, I really wish it was, I just feel like they should have pushed the envelope a little bit more in terms of how, in terms of how much heat it had, because it was just a little, a little too medium, and the, but the flavor was okay. That jam and jalapeno was just so artificially citrusy.

I just was like, it tasted so weird. It had too much sweetness, and then it had like this, it tasted like a lime soda. Like it, like not even an actual lime flavor. And I really, I found that actually unpleasant to eat, even though it had a little bit more heat. You get some blue cheese and carrots and celery. I feel like their blue cheese is good.

They're just a little stingy on the dip and sauce. I gotta give you a hard time and say bad choice. I mean, it just seems like you chose a bad one. Well, I want to try some different, some sauces I hadn't had before. So that's why I opted for those two. But, and I think that, and you know, the combo I got came with fries,

and I thought the fries were pretty good. They were mildly soggy. But Natalie had this assessment, and I think she was right that the product, at least when I went and picked up my food, all the products seemed kind of old. Like it seemed like those wings had been in the walk-in for a little bit, and they were just like a little bit,

you know, just not as fresh as I would come to expect from a place that specializes in wings. Yeah. Interesting. But Mitch, let's talk about your order a little bit. All right. You know what? I'm having trouble trying to find my order.

I thought it would be easy. Nick, I got a few different things. You know how I do it. I got 10 wings to start off, and oh, I got it through Uber Eats. That's what I did. I went Uber Eats, Nick. It was the best option of all the pickup options,

except I guess going there. I should have gone there. Is that why you're giving me a look? No. I feel like you should have gone with Stuber Eats. You could have gotten your food delivered by Batista. Man, I hope Batista fucking chokeslams you one day. Just for that comment.

It would actually be a Batista bomb. He's not big. Sorry. He doesn't use a chokeslam as much. He's a spine buster and a Batista bomb. You know what? Now I deserve a Batista bomb, too. We'd be great heels, Weiger, in any sort of federation.

Hey, Batista bomb, Batista bomb is the dough boys. Learn himself another Ribera Steakhouse jacket. I got myself 10 wings, Nick. I went safe. I went with two flavors I've got before. The salt and vinegar, which is the dry seasoning. You went dry? And the mea dry boy?

I went dry for one. I am a dry boy in any sense of the word. And then medium for me for the from our wet sauce. I went medium. I just want the medium. Why don't you just get water? Why don't you just have water? Wings.

What? First of all, a dry sauce. The dries at BWWs. I don't rep any of them. I don't rep any of them. Wow. I don't think any of them are worth a damn. It's very hard to make a good dry wing.

I think the best scenarios if you're actually like grilling them, like properly, you can get a good, you know, wing. That's, you know, with a dry seasoning on it. Otherwise, you got to go wet. You got to get wet. And to get wet and then go medium. I just look. I don't know what that is.

I don't know what that is. I shouldn't have called Wager out on his on his flavor orders because I'm getting fucking roasted over here. You got the smoky adobo. That's new. You got the chipotle barbecue. That's in the medium. You got honey barbecue.

You got buffalo. You have options. Even if you don't want, you're not trying to get hot. You're not trying to get hot and wet. You want to stay dry and cool. There's still more interesting things. Anything is more interesting to me than plain. Plain might be.

Well, I, I went with some interesting things not. And I went safe with the wings. Okay. I went a little too safe with the wings. Wait. I do. I do want to ask about this. This you're dry a position here.

Leslie. You're not even lemon pepper. No, I go, I used to do lemon pepper. And now I'm on Parmesan garlic. It's got a little bit of wet to it. Right. And a lot of places Parmesan garlic is a dry. It is dry at Buffalo Wild Wings.

It's not. It's a wet. But like if I'm getting the dry from Buffalo Wild Wings, I'm going to have a little bit of sauce to dip it in. I like, like, I'm not talking about the ranch. You know, I want to eat some like, you know, really good, like, you know, barbecue sauce or something to dip it in, because the drys, they just don't do it for me at BWWs.

They, I mean, the drys are dry as advertised, but I have, I do like their lemon pepper. And you know, the other dry rub I've had success with in the past is the desert heat, which is one of their hotter ones. The desert heat. Like I, maybe I spoke to you about the drys because I, the desert heat seemed like it tasted good, but the time I got it, it was overcooked.

So it was like, you got dry and then you got, you got dried sauce and then you got dry wings. It's like, it's not a good combination. Yeah, no, that's no good. I like the dry wings. I liked my salt and vinegar. I guess if, if you get them cooked right, then, which is, you know, you can't guarantee at BWWs.

There is a lot of inconsistency given from the same restaurant, I feel. Yeah. There's less margin for error with the dry rubs. We will get to that for sure. I think that that is, that, that, that's a thing, but I also don't think it's that bad either. And you know what?

These, these dry rub wings were tasting good, Nick. They were, they were, they put a good dry rub on it because they, they were, they, they, they hit the spot. The medium, the one, the, my sauce wings weren't sauce enough, Leslie. So that can happen too. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a bummer. I got three ranches and I got two blue cheeses, but that, that covers my wings. Do you want me to go on to what else? Wait, wait, didn't you just get 10 wings? I got 10 wings. Yeah. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. You got three ranches. Two blue cheeses. I got three ranches. So you're, you're dipping like two wings in the,

even in those bad boys. And that's it. Like, yeah. Like that's it. You know what? I'm very happy I did it because I got, and I thought that I overordered because I did it when I put on ranches and blue cheeses.

When I, when it was, when it came to my order for the wings, like you want sauce with those two and I chose two sauces, but then outside of that, I added them on outside of it and I got two ranches and one. So in my head, I thought I was getting two ranch, one blue cheese, which I think is okay. But I mean, like maybe a little much,

but I had too many sauces, but they were like half filled. This is one of my complaints. It was just a little dab of sauce. It was nothing. And you know what? Sometimes they forget them too. Charging for the blue cheese and ranch is just, it gets into a tricky area.

They should offer a bigger vat, Nick. Fully agree with you here. I mentioned, and I mentioned it almost as an aside earlier that they are stingy on the dip and sauce, but yeah, that you get one, you get one dip and sauce and one carrots and celery for free. That's it. And then if you want more, you got to pay for it.

I feel like they got to make that cup, like that cup's like a little like, you know, it's like almost like a little thimble, you know? I feel like they got to make it like a little jacuzzi. Like get one of those like bigger. You want it to be hot? I don't want to be hot, but I just, I want it to be like a little bit more of a...

Some hot ranch dressing to go with your wings. I think I know what you'd put your hot ranch dressing on. All right. But let me tell you to say it like hot salad. Yeah, no, it's true. Let me say how deep this goes, because if you order from the app as Mitch did, so if you get like, you know, fours of wings,

like 20 wings, you're supposed to get like four sauces with that. But the way that they've uploaded it to the app, it actually doesn't. You pay for every sauce that you order, which is not so high as it's supposed to be. So it's like, I don't know who's profiting off of that, but somebody like moved a decimal point

or you know, turned that one into a zero. And now they're making off like a freaking millionaire now, because they're getting all that money from those sauces that you're supposed to get for free. And of course you're not going to want to call up the restaurant and argue about like 250 for your goddamn ranch. So most people are just, you know, paying for it and taking it. But yeah, somebody's making money off of that.

Fucking trash. It makes me mad. Nick, I'm mad. Yeah, I get it. I'm mad on your behalf. Will you be the guy who's going to call and complain and get to the bottom of this? You know what?

I might be. Just at like Uber Eats and DoorDash and Buffalo Wild Wings. Like I want to get to the bottom of this. A big, like a big fat Karen, like the big fat Buffalo Wild Wings version of a Karen. I'm going to complain and get to the bottom of this. I want my sauces, Nick. I feel like when there was, there were moments here

where I've gotten delivery with, with, with Domino's and I've gotten the cheesy bread and they don't bring you and they don't bring you the marinara sauce. Oh, what good is it? What are you going to do? You need that sauce. Yeah, that's a bummer. What the hell?

What is that? You throw it in the garbage for God's sake. Yeah. That cheesy bread without the dip and sauce, it's unrecoverable. That's the risk. That's why I will usually just stick with pizza if I'm getting something like that. It's at least the last sauce on this pizza.

Jack made fun of me because a guy went back one time. I gave him 20 bucks when he came back. You gave him 20 bucks. Because I felt so bad about it. You should have said that about it. But you should keep like pizza sauce like on you. Have that thing on you. Have it in the cabinet.

That's true. No reason not to. It keeps well. Even a can of tomato paste. That would probably serve you in that situation, I would think. I agree. Look, I didn't want, I said it to him and then he was like, I'm going to go get it.

And I was like, no, no, no, but he went and got it. I gave him 20 bucks. I felt bad. Look, sauces are, sauce is an issue with the drill. Yes. With delivery, it's an issue. Yes. The sauces have become an issue.

The constant problem I'm hoping, especially during this time, you know, those clowns in Congress can come together and take a look at this very, very important issue. If you were ordering, you should get your sauces and you should not be paying extra for those sauces just because they're on the app. Let's figure it out now. It's the time to figure it out, Nick.

I agree. This should be solved. This is a solvable problem. I don't trust Biden to figure this out. Trump's not going to do it. Yeah, I know. Kanye. Such a bummer.

Can you imagine how this Kanye would be if he didn't get his sauces from both of the wild wings? Can you imagine? No, he wouldn't fuck around with that. President Kanye would take care of this if we told him about it. Well, here's... I got an app that did have both of its sauces, luckily.

I got the Everything Pretzel Knotts. I've had those before in store, so I'm curious as to how it traveled. Wow. They traveled? Okay. Here's the thing to me is that it just felt very much like bread. I just felt like I was eating some bread.

It is heavy. It has a cheese dipping sauce, yes? It also has a cheese dipping sauce, and it also has a honey mustard dipping sauce. The honey mustard kind of works, but it's like a pretzel and mustard. It doesn't 100% work. It just is very much like a bread-y thing,

and I'm like, okay, so you have the Everything Seasoning. And so all you're going to do is make pretzel knots out of it. Couldn't you have anything else for an app that has the Everything Seasoning on top of it? You know what I mean? It does seem like a waste. Even the honey mustard and the specific quality of that, I actually didn't want to jump over the fact

that the ranch dressing and the blue-trick cheese dressing, I think, for BWWs, is extremely subpar. The ranch is more or less flavorless. It's just there as like a cooling lubricating agent. Even though I still use it, it really has no flavor. I've had wing places where the ranch is just like so good you could drink it like as a drink. That's how good the ranch is.

For BWWs, it just has no real flavor at all. You don't got to tell us twice. Dwiger and I are pouring ourselves a cup of ranch right now. I mean, I didn't have their... I always go with blue cheese with wings. And I feel like their blue cheese is okay. But speaking of good ranch, there is a pizza place near us,

a local pizza place that makes their own ranch dressing in-house. And it's a charge regardless of what you get. It's always an upcharge, but it is so fucking good. It's like the best thing on their menu. It's such amazingly flavorful ranch dressing. And yeah, I do wish that... It feels like if they knock their sauces out of the park, not just the sauce on their wings, but their dipping sauces,

to your point, Leslie, I mean, that feels like that would just up the whole experience at Buffalo Wild Wings. So good ranch can save wings, like no matter what you do with them. I agree. Yeah. I think that... And look, well, I'll get into it.

I think that the wings here are good. Are they the best? I'll get into that in my closing remarks. I... The pretzel bites were heavy and just kind of like bread-y. And I liked the everything seasoning, but it was that sort of thing of like, this should just be something else. This should be something more creative than pretzel twists.

It's just as a heavy breaded... It's just that heavy piece of bread that you're dipping in these two sauces. The beer cheese sauce is okay. The honey mustard sauce is whatever. And so I'm just like, I don't know, they could do better than this. I wanted to get the dirty tots,

but at this point, and this is another issue with this place, my bill was like getting up towards like 60 bucks. It was fucking expensive as hell. This place is pretty pricey. This place is pricey. By the way, dirty tots. Spending a garbage pail, kids. Those are some dirty tots, eh?

What? We'll be right back. Welcome back to Doe Boys. We don't usually take a second break, but that was just so good that we had to do it. I with Leslie Lee the third were reviewing Buffalo Wild Wings. Leslie, you talked about...

I do want to square this a little bit, because you want to cover this place in part because you are eating keto right now. And we heard what you got, but how do you tailor your order towards eating keto at a place like this? Are you just checking the nutritional information of all the sauces?

Here's the thing about BWWs. They probably have the best nutritional info I've ever seen. For any restaurant, they keep it up to date. Even those new sauces that just came out, they're already on there. It's very easy to read. It covers every scenario,

every single metric you're looking for, but you really have to be careful with sauces, because you might think, like, oh, I got this sauce from this place, and it didn't act me of a keto, but that same sauce with the same name from a different restaurant might be full of sugar, like some of the jalapeño sauce.

You can get that sauce at a lot of places where it's perfectly fine, with keto. This is just like syrup. It's straight up like syrup at BWWs. So you have to be careful. There are tons of sauces.

There's about 7 or 8, probably 10 sauces you can try. You don't have to worry about keto, but there are some there, just like absolutely ridiculous. You might as well have a cherry coke on the side if you're going to add some of these sauces.

I'm looking right now. There's a ton of scenarios on here. There's also a separate list for calories if you're eating while flying on the Lolita Express. Wow, weird. Very specific. I'll only probably a few people.

Yeah. Probably they got enough phone calls from Malcolm Gladwell asking for information. We should just put this on the website. It's been too much time. Hey there BWs. I need the calories.

It's Bill Clinton calling again. Hey Bill. What sauce are you asking about? I just want that dry rub. Okay. We have a number of dry rubs. We have salt and vinegar. We have lemon pepper.

Can you be more specific? Yeah. Do you apply the dry rub by hand, Nick? Okay. With all due respect, we don't provide those kinds of services here. This is a restaurant. It's a family establishment. Yeah, I know.

Don't be advertising our friendship. It doesn't make me look good. I know Nick well from back in the day. Oh no, no, Bill. We took a few trips together, Nick. Oh no. Alright, time for me to go. That's all folks.

I bet Bill Clinton is so mad that Hillary made him like that vegan skeleton that he is now. Because my boy, I know he was expecting when he got around this age

that he would just be posted up in the BWDs or in the Hooters, probably more likely. Just in wings like all fucking day. Things did not end the way, I feel like, not ending the way Bill Clinton thought they would end.

I think that he, especially now with COVID, I don't think that he thought he would be a vegetarian skeleton in the woods with Hillary. He was probably also hoping for more success for the TV series based off of his book with James Patterson

The President is Missing that kind of sputtered out. Wait, is that still going? Have they started shooting it or what? I thought they were going to make it for showtime, but I don't know if it actually went anywhere. Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be for showtime. I think this might be one of those projects

that they just quietly get rid of because of everything's going on. God, this COVID thing, now we don't have to answer questions about fucking Jeffrey Epstein on the press tour now. Oh, it's terrible that this has happened, but I guess we're not doing it

because they literally did have to answer questions about Epstein during the press tour for Bill Clinton and James Patterson. No, not Epstein. I think someone else, Bill Clinton assaulted, they got asked. Yeah. Can I come clean with something? Yes.

It's still happening, and every time I do Bill Clinton on the show, it's actually my audition to be on the show. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. So, I'm hoping that this last one, do you guys think I did alright right a few seconds ago?

I mean, yes. Yeah, it was good. It was good. Just to let you know, you are in competition with Dennis Quaid because he did the audiobook for The President Is Missing. And I definitely think he would be down to play in Clinton

in the real thing, especially since he just recently, he is engaged to his 26-year-old University of Texas PhD student girlfriend at the age of 65. You know, why

don't some of these guys who play presidents on TV, like he's a big president guy, they should, they should go for it. Why not? The country clearly would just vote for someone who was a... Yeah, it's true. You remember me? I was president of the movie

and the... who's independent state president? Well, that was Bill Pullman. Yeah, you could 100% see that. You could 100% see. Also too, just like a guy who's just recognizable and is politically involved, like a Gary Sinise feels like a...

I mean, we already saw this with Reagan. Reagan did it. Reagan was the progenitor of this. Reagan was... Trump did it. Yeah, then Trump did it, yeah. Trump was your favorite actor before he was president, right, Nick? You know, he doesn't have a lot of range, but he commits.

You believe that he's playing himself in Home Alone 2. Yeah, it's fucking weird. It just speaks to how fucking weird our world is. You had Bill Clinton making TV shows and you got a fucking reality TV show host as the president. But okay, so you were talking through...

Speaking of weird... Yeah. I also got myself a burger, Nick. A burger at... I got myself a burger... I got a burger at Buffalo Wild Wings. What am I doing? You might think I'm out of my mind. Bizarre. Well, I'm not. It's not crazy,

because guess what? It got Spoon Man's Bite of the Night. It's the best thing I have. Wow. What kind of burger was it? All right, there was some problems with it. But it was the cheese curd bacon burger. The curds are good. Cheese curds on it.

This is like a... The old Wisconsin diet is this burger. Is a bacon burger with double patty, hand smashed Wisconsin white cheddar cheese curds, American cheese bacon, cool heat sauce.

What was cool heat sauce? And a halibut on a halibut. And that comes with french fries. The french fries were a little... Look, french fries don't travel, especially from a restaurant if they're in a little container. You gotta get the onion rings.

Onion rings are always better. The onion rings at B-Dubs aren't bad either, right? But I went french fries. I should have put them in the air fryer, but I was just fucking hungry, so I didn't even do it. Nick, I really liked it. I came with some ketchup, mustard, and some mayo

on the side. You can't really taste the cool heat sauce. But it was still great. It was a nice juicy burger. I honestly liked it. The cheese curds on top were...

They didn't travel well, and they just... You couldn't even really taste them. It felt like you were just tossing on more calories. So maybe just the straight up cheeseburger would have been the better way to go. I liked it. I like their curds as an appetizer. I think their curds are very good,

because most of the burgers seems like they have a lot going on. It might be, for lack of a better term, ungepochka. Just edit that burger down a little bit. Make it a little bit simpler. I don't know. You made me mad now that you brought up ungepochka.

Speaking of bites of the night coming from unexpected places, my favorite thing that I ate the chocolate fudge cake I got in Delta Dessert. You don't get to do bite of the night. Nibble? Yeah, this is my nibble

of the evening. My nibble of the evening is the chocolate fudge... Nibble of the evening? It's my own variant. Chocolate fudge cake. The chocolate fudge cake comes with vanilla ice cream and chocolate sauce. I don't know if it's supposed to come for the dine out or not. It was not included.

Didn't need it! It was a fantastic piece of chocolate cake. It was so chocolatey, so indulgent. The frosting was great. The cake was moist. I loved it. Natalie was eating it. She was like, oh my god, this is so fucking good. My mind was blown. This is one of the better chain restaurant desserts I've had.

Certainly to go setting. I was floored by how good it was. I don't remember that. I said that. I don't think we agreed that Natalie could have any of the food that we get for Doughboy. We could have a larger conversation about that. Hey, how about Weigur's little nibbles at noon? How's that?

Okay, sure. It's a little longer. I don't know why it has to be noon, but sure. You didn't eat it at night, did you? That's true. I did have it for lunch. Well, there you go. There we go. Nick, I'm sad that I...

Look, I was thinking dirty tots and now I'm sad that I didn't get that chocolate cake. You said that to me over text. It was great. I love a good slice of chocolate cake. That bums me out that I did not have it. Damn. I also... Hey, by the way, I also got a Mountain Dew.

I did the dew. Yeah. I went dew over Pepsi. I tried to get a Pepsi and it said it was on the online receipt, but then they didn't have it and I didn't want to make a fuss over it. And then also I wasn't charged for it. So I was like, well, I guess that's fine.

I just got spared the liquid calories. But I would have liked to have a Pepsi. All I wanted was a Pepsi to quote suicidal tendencies. What are you going to do? So, Leslie, I'm curious... What are you talking about? That's a song. The guy he wants, he institutionalized

and he says at some point he's like, all he wanted was a Pepsi. It's a lyric from the song. Now people are going to say, Nick knows more about music. Look, the guy doesn't listen to music in his car. That's true. I know more than Dave Matthews for God's sakes.

You have a breadth of musical knowledge. Nick, I kind of feel the need to speak on this in the interest of transparency. So I just co-hosted Struggle Session, patreon.com with Jack Allison. And what he has said about your tasting music is he just listens

to the soundtrack to Final Fantasy games. Now this is from Jack Allison who has no taste in music as we talk about on the show. He really just listens to whatever the Spotify playlist of the day is. If it's Beatles, he listens to the Beatles.

If it's Kanye, he listens to Kanye. Yeah, he used to do the Beatles radio in his car for like a serious XM. Yeah, very, you know, tasteless, musically man. But the fact that he's out in the streets like besmirching your name, I just wonder what you think about that.

Well, look, I know better than to get into War of Words with Jack Allison. I will say that that... Oh, no, please start a War of Words. I will say that... Except that ends with me out of a job. I will say that that's not a fully accurate

characterization, but I do listen to a lot of RPG soundtracks. I do listen to a lot of video game music. I mean, I like to listen to music. I like a lot of stuff, but I do like music, especially when I'm working. I like music without any sort of lyrics. And specifically like soundtracks and

some jazz and classical, but soundtracks especially stuff I'm familiar with really lets me dial in my focus. So yeah, I think that's not completely out of the realm of what reality is. Jack, one time I played Tool for Jack and he said that it was like disturbed.

He said it was like... Oh, come on. Oh, come on. I was so mad at him. Leslie, I was so mad at him the entire ride back because he was like, this is like dorky corn. This is just like... What? He was like, this is like wrap rock. How dare he?

That's such an ignorant thing to say. He just heard like a loud guitar and he got scared. And he was like, this is just like corn and I know like disturbed isn't cool. So I'm going to say that now he doesn't even understand like even

the difference between like a corn and the disturbed. Certainly he would not understand the difference between like a deaf tone and a corn and disturbed. And it told us in a whole almost entirely different realm. The fact that he tried to pull that on you, I'm just

it's shocking. It's shocking, frankly. We were driving back from Lake Tahoe for Evan Susser's bachelor party. We also took Koalic out into the lake like Fredo and we shot him in the back of the head. Why was that kiss of death all about?

Shut up. I'm trying to kill you, you fool. And on the way there, Nick, I've told this before, but I think I've said this on the podcast before, but driving there, I had to pull over to the side of the road. Oh, yes. And I

had to shit on the side of the road. To make personal distress. This is where I said to Jack that Jack almost died like one of the weasels in Who Framed Bradra Rabbit where he almost laughed himself to death because I was shitting on the side of the road. And then we and I had to wipe my

ass with a sock. And then we we came back and Jack was like, please let's go back and please let me take a picture of it because that's Jack. And we drove back and there was a father and son standing in the spot where I shit on the side of the road looking at the view. Beautiful. It was

it was horrendous. It was a horrendous photo there. But Jack, you're the three of us has worked with Jack. You may you win maybe as the Jack handler. You you you handle Jack than better than all three. I guess because he respects me and my intellect a lot.

You know what? You know what? We'll stop right there. Hail on the head. Leslie, did you get anything beyond the wings that fit your diet? No, I didn't. There isn't really much on there at BWWs that would fit on a KO diet.

But again, you get the variety with the sauces and it's a meal that can last you for a while. I only ate four wings when I got here. So I got like you know, 16 left, you know, and I probably won't finish him. But you know, at least the option is there. Right. And if

by the by the way, you you have to mail all leftover wings back to do. I was about to say that I was going to give them. I was going to, you know, peel them, soak them and give them to my dog to get all the sauce off him. But if Taka, Taka

know that you said that that's not allowed, actually. No, no. You know what? That's fine. You don't have to mail them back to me. That's a good that's a nice dog tree. What a nice. Yeah. You just have to be careful because you can't give them because there's all sorts of things in these

sauces that dogs can't can't eat or it might upset stomach. So you got to be careful. You got to pick the wing. You got to clean off real good. Just pick out the good parts for them and make a make a little meal. Wow. Wow. Well, there you go. Well, we'll find out hopefully what

Taka thinks in time. But right now it's time for us to find out what we think. We're each going to go around there. We'll find out. We'll find that out somehow. Do you have a dog to human translator? Maybe Leslie will update us. Say how much his tail was wagging. Yeah,

I'll let you know. I'll let you know if he pukes or not. He probably that's that's the probably that's about the only indication that we ever get. Not that he would puke, but just that like my dog will eat anything and most and like like in like inanimate objects like plastic just anything he will

either and not puke it out. So if unless he pukes out the wings, then he's probably okay with he will eat anything. Well, there you go. That will be his verdict. But it's time for our verdicts. We'll each give our final thoughts on this chain, Buffalo Wild Wings

and then end it by giving a fork score from 0 to 5 forks. Leslie, you're our guest. We'll begin with you. So on the whole I it really is like I if I weren't doing Kato I and

I'm not going into the restaurant I would could probably go the rest of my life never having Buffalo Wild Wings again. It's just it's it suits my purposes now, but it's not really anything I'm a committed to. So I'm probably

only going to give it. Do you do have forks? Yes, you can. So I'm probably going to do two and a half forks for it. Damn. Wow. Two forks, two tines. That's this is wild to me because I thought that you really like I thought that you were like

I thought you enjoyed this place, but you know what? Yeah, generally when a guest picks a place it's usually a place they're a fan of. It's like an interesting POV. You know, it's kind of, you know, limited dietary situation right. Limited places you can get food from because there's probably there's better places to get wings, but you might not

have they might not deliver in your place or whatever. You know, it's just kind of a you know, we're limited to where we can choose from. So while I appreciate the fact and all the wonderful things the people down there at BWW are doing to keep us going through this difficult

time. If it weren't so difficult of time, if you know there were there I there's several better wing restaurants is basically what I'm saying. There's much but like the movie theater near my house has better wings than Buffalo

Wow. Wow. It's not it's not it's not even like a food is actually horrible. I've come to figure out Jack is sick. First of all, Jack is sick every time he eats at one. Not that they're doing anything wrong

there, but I'm just not a big fan of their food, but the regular cop theater it's so it decided to sell wings and those wings are better than Buffalo Wild Wings. Wow. I did not expect this. I am kind of shocked. So

when we first we haven't reviewed Buffalo Wild Wings in a very long time. We did it for chicken. I mean it was in the chicken fight. Yes. Which by the way, Bonchon was not in that chicken fight. Completely different story of Bonchon's in there. I gave it four forks the first time we

did it. And I enjoyed it. I think that my score is now is sub four forks and I don't know if that's fair to Buffalo Wild Wings because I do think a big part of the experience of Buffalo Wild Wings is sitting there and getting a big tall beer. A tall beer, Nick. Oh yeah. How fun is a tall

beer? You like a tall beer. It's fun. What a treat. A treat. So with that out the window, it's just down to the food and so I was thinking about it and for me I kind of disagree, Leslie. I'm kind of like

what are the places that are better than it? First off, Bonchon is better than it. Bonchon has better wings. Then second off, Wingstop. Wingstop to me is better than Buffalo Wild Wings, just for the wing quality. But then after that, I don't know

as far as kind of high delivery, fast food places that you can get wings. I don't know if there's too many more. Wing Street does not cut it. But if you're saying it's better than Wing Street, what are you actually

saying? You are right. That is true, but I think Wing Street is like one fork or something if you were reviewing it just on its own. I think that the wings are pretty low grade. I think

they're better than Domino's regular bone-in Buffalo Wings. I'm going under four forks, but like I said, Byron was here. He was installing a doorbell at my house, Nick. The doorbell was broken. Byron was

saying, I said, Wingstop is better. I just had this conversation with my family the other day. This is what Byron was saying. He said, I'm Buffalo Wild Wings and I have a few people on my side and the rest of the family is Wingstop. That kind of blew my mind.

There are people out there who do really like it. I don't think it's that bad. The burger kind of impressed me. I'm going under five forks, Nick. I think that who knows. I don't know if Buffalo Wild Wings

ship is going to sink because of everything that's going on or just being in proximity to people like people would rather pick up for the next year or two years or whatever. That in-restaurant experience is a good time. I like sitting there watching the having the big game on the

TV in front of you and having a tall beer or tall cider and taking down some wings. I missed that this time and on the food alone it was 3.5. If I have been watching Anderson Silva fight while eating these, I probably would like it a little bit better.

Yeah. I 100% agree that this is a place that benefits so much for the dine-in experience and the question for me to tackle here is is this primarily dine-in place worth getting take-out from? Is it worth going to the trouble of getting take-out from?

Especially if it's not your closest wing repair. By the way, Mitch, before we get into this, I just got to say, as much guff as I give you on this program, you are a natural showman and storyteller.

You hit us up with Byron in the first act. You pay it off in the third act. Check out Byron. What a tease. It delivered. I had forgotten all about Byron and then you brought this. You gave us the prestige. Byron was telling me that we were talking

places to eat Mexican food and he was talking about tacos en sonata or something that's like a small chain. But he was saying King Tacos and he said we got to review King Tacos. We've never done King Tacos. It's come up a few times lately

and we should probably cover King Taco at some point. I'm not sure if it really has much of a presence in the game. But getting back to my point, is this dine in place worth getting take out from? I don't know. I kind of lean towards no

unless it's the most convenient place for you to get wings. Just comparing it to putting Bonch on out of the equation and comparing it to wing stop just head to head straight up. I go wing stop like 10 times out of 10. I much prefer the wings and the sauces

at wing stop. I prefer it's a better ordering out experience rather. They're just more set up towards that. That's their whole thing. Their store fronts are just basically like a pizza place. It's just a wing dispensary effectively.

So I would go wing stop over Bdubs anytime. But I do feel like it's not quite like is this Buffalo Wild Wings? Is this Buffalo Wild Wings?

It's kind of in the middle. I think this is Buffalo Medium Wings. Nick. Yeah. I got to stop you right there. You are a showman as well. Wow. The showman. That's the Doughboy's new name is the showman. We're the showman.

We give you a show. I think this is Buffalo Medium Wings and I'm going to split the difference between you guys and say this is a three fork dine out experience and dining in is another story because I have the time of my life every time I go to a Bdubs

and we'll see if we ever get to have that experience again. If they get that ranch together it could be five forks if they got the ranch together. Wow. It's a watered down ranch. They could make some tweaks here and there and really improve their product.

They fucking ran the ranch through the river. It's watery and the blue cheese too. I mean like you can barely here's a bad sign when you can barely tell the difference between your ranch and your blue cheese. Always a struggle when you get the water. That's tough.

That was our return to Buffalo Wild Wings. It's time for a segment. It's sad to see a decline when it's sad to see a score go down. Is it not? You realize how much of it is to Leslie's point the experience of being there. How much of it is just like

affected by the atmosphere and just being around your buds watching some sports. Hey, I got a food related exam and Mitch and Leslie must compete for superiority. It's time for a little segment called Slop Quiz. And today's Slop Quiz theme is

Star Wars Bread. Canon or Legends. I'll name a bread from the Star Wars Universe. You tell me whether its origin is canon or legends. What kind of universe is determined by Disney? Whoa.

Hold up. Hold up. Did you just say the differences are canon meaning the official worthy guy with Star Wars is which I thought last time I checked was created by George Lucas

and not Disney Corporation Limited, whatever it's called. And Legends which is the EU which George Lucas actually himself read everything in it. That's the one that's not canon. That's the one that doesn't

count. I'm going by Wikipedia's assessment of these as pertaining to Disney's evaluation of whether they qualify as canon or what Disney calls Disney Legends. I have been in conversation with the people at Wikipedia right now

to get that language updated. I would prefer if we were going to talk about this. We at least as a compromise use EU and DU for Disney. Okay?

I'll have to amend my answers on the fly a little bit but I think I can do this. I don't want to hear the L word again. That is a slur. There's nothing worse than seeing a book on the shelf that you've bought maybe 10 years ago and seeing the new version

with that vicious nasty word on it basically trying to tell people that it doesn't count. You know the thing that really the specific thing that really upset me about this is Grand Admiral Thrawn. How they were like well we got to get rid of the whole Air to the Empire trilogy.

We got the Dark Force Rising. We got to throw that out. The Timothy Zahn books. We can't say that's canon anymore. But we like Grand Admiral Thrawn so much we're just going to commission Timothy Zahn to write a new Thrawn book that somehow wedges its way into the Disney universe. It's collaborations.

I'm very disappointed with what Timothy Zahn is doing. He loves the character and he's trying to do his best but for him to participate in this sort of historical erasure is just absolutely sickening to me

and frankly Nick I'm a little disappointed that you even used those terms and frame it in that way knowing who's going to be on here. I'm actually a little bit shocked. I'm a little bit hurt. I am just

I'm flabbergasted. Wait till I tell Jack about this. Wait till I tell Jack about this. Wait till I tell Bugman about this. That's a name that hasn't come up on this episode so far. The elephant in the room. The man who you know the ghost who haunts podcast

who started hunting do-boys and now has moved on to struggle session. I'll be very upset to hear now that he has said that his time on do-boys maybe have come to an end that now you're using that as an opportunity to put out that sort of propaganda that he would certainly

would not stand for if he were here. Wow. Well Leslie I was excited to do it. Yes. Are you excited to do the podcast with him now? Because of this? I was excited to do a Star Wars segment but I have been chastised

in terms, I apologize and I will use, I will call du or e. I'm sorry I got hot about that but you know just some things are important. You know some things are important. I agree Nick. Fucking do it right

or don't do it at all. All right. All right. Nick you know what these mother fuckers they got rid of Jobknuck. Jobknuck lived, he lived inside according to a cannon pop-up book

that Lucas approved and now this new asshole comes on and thinks he can say that Jobknuck is dead. That's bullshit Nick. That's bullshit, Jobknuck lived. Jobknuck lived in the EU and hey which of these

breads live in the EU and which lives in the DU? We're going to find out as we go through it. Now I'm going to say the first one is a gimme but after this the difficulty ramps up real fast. And I am going to say that everything that was designated as cannon on Wikipedia I am just going to attribute to DU

and vice versa for EU. So that's how the answer key is going to work if you want to have any disputes. Can I quote a newer Star Wars to just go back to the Bug Main stuff? Yes. It's time for the Bug Main to end. Wow.

I disavow. I disavow. Alright, first question. Buzz in by saying your name. Hmm. Portion bread. Mitch. Go ahead Mitch. Fucking DU trash.

You are correct. Portion bread is prepared by Ray in the Force Awakens. It's like the thing that people love about the movies is like the bread rises. Who cares? It's not the bread rise. Who gives a shit? That bread is pretty cool.

It doesn't mean for the fucking bread on Star Wars.com. Like who wants that? Star Wars land sucks too. I'm not a I'm not a curmudgeon. I'm a nice man. And they ruined my little Star Wars stuff and I'm sad. You don't like exploring the planet of Batu?

Who wants Batu? No one want Batu. Kathleen Kennedy, what are you doing? Who wants Batu? How about Tatooine? How about anything? Show me a fucking Ewok for God's sake. Show me anything else.

Batu, Nick. Yep. It's Batu. Go see all your friends. What is Batu? What is it? I don't know. It's another desert planet. They needed more of those. Alright, next question. Why do they think we want to try blue

milks? I mean whatever. Even that could have been handled differently. Hey, next bread. Is this DU or EU? Five Blossom Breads. Leslie. Go ahead, Leslie. I believe this is

EU. This is designated as canon on Wikipedia. This is DU. This is from the Clone Wars. In the episode, Senate Spy Padme says she used to make five Blossom Breads of the Child. See, this is where the complication comes in. Because me, I instinctually think that anything

to do with the prequel is of course you know, is the real canon. The EU. So this is where the confusion comes in. It's kind of like a question. So what the original Star Wars film count as?

If I chime in, would I say canon now, meaning that they're Disney, even though they weren't made by Disney? So see, maybe when I came in so hot, I broke your game a little bit, Nick is what I'm saying. Because we just don't agree

on all these terms. Right. So for the purposes of this, I will do canon, Disney canon, and the L word. How about that? Just to make it very clear.

The Disney canon and the EU. Disney canon and the EU. Great. Yeah, because the L word can be confusing, because there is a trick question on here where the answer is the L word, the show.

The show, wow. Is that just bread? Yeah. Alright, next up. Noryath meat bread. Mitch. Go ahead, Mitch. EU.

Mitch, this is from the EU. This is from the Star Wars novel Before the World War II. Noryath meat bread is referenced in dialogue. You know what, I heard it, and I think that I liked it a little bit. That's why it gets the EU. Alright, sticking with breads.

Next bread. Hey, by the way, is Joe Saunders going to show up at your apartment and fucking try to break your knees for this little quiz here? This is breadcast territory. I'm in breadcast territory. He doesn't own Star Wars bread. Forget it, Nick.

Christ. Alright, go on. Next up, meal bread. Meal bread. Meal bread. Mitch. EU. Mitch, you are correct. This is designated Disney canon.

And guess how I knew? It sounds like shit. I really think that's a good way to go with it. I think really... Wait, wait, wait. I'm checking up on this. And you say, meal bread.

Meal bread. Now, this does have entries on both canon and legends. Have I just eaten? Am I going to eat my words? See, this is the complication. It appears in the Clone Wars as well as

Republic Commando novels. Now, I do think... It depends on which came first in. Or is it both? Is it both? Yeah. I wasn't talking about the necessarily the origin of these,

but if it was established as canon at some point in Disney's Slate of IP. Yes, the meal bread is designated as canon in the anthology Before the Awakening. Finn eats it at a Stormtrooper mess hall. Alright, we get a couple more.

Mitch, you have an insurmountable lead, but Leslie, I think you can play for honor. Next up, bread root patty. Alright, I'll go Leslie. I'll just take a guess. I haven't paid attention to the food in Star Wars, but I'm going to guess

since it's a little more complicated, this will be an EU only one. You are correct, Leslie. You're on the board. This is from Order 66 a Republic commando novel, and it's an edible white colored patty

served with breakfast. But here's the thing that's funny. Meal bread started in the EU and then was made canon, but Mitch knew it was the Disney canon because it sounds like garbage. So they picked the bad thing from the EU to bring in.

Meal bread, somebody actually at Disney read that and was like, yeah, we should keep that. We should keep that. Not Marajade, but we should keep meal bread. Man, Marajade's so cool. Oh well, what can you do? We can remember that she is still real

because the real canon is, of course, the EU. Agreed, agreed. Hey! Is this one real or not? This is the last entry, the last question. Is this Star Wars bread, DU or EU? Donut.

I feel, I want to say, Leslie, I want to say, I feel like this would probably slip in in one of the YAEU novels. I feel like, because they wrote a lot of those, and I feel like some young writer just out of,

just got their M.A. assigned to write the 15th Jedi Academy Flight School novel just says fuck it one day and puts a donut in. Yeah. I agree. Well, Leslie, you are correct.

That is a young adult novel. However, it is a canonical young adult novel. Wow! Published under the Disney regime, Choose Your Destiny and Obi Wan and Anakin Adventure published in 2019 where a donut dispenser droid serves donuts and goes haywire.

Leslie, you were right, but it was the opposite. It was the Disney people being jackasses and being lazy about it. Shout out Wookie PD, of course, for all the great intel there. That was Slop Quiz. I did a Wookie noise. That was very good.

Nick, have you played? I liked it. The football team used to make me do Wookie noise. Mitch, if Disney Plus does a Wookie series, I hope your agent is already on speed dial. You would make a great look. Yeah.

They wouldn't have to make a top part of that. Hahaha. Just like a restaurant via your feedback, let's open up the feedback. Today we have an email from Marge. Marge writes, Hi Homer. My son Bart isn't doing his homework.

The only cure for that is church. Come on boy. Hey Homer, see you at church after we have a drink at Mo's. Dad, the sermon this week was a little bit more boring, dude.

Now son, there's a good lesson to be having every sermon. Come sit on my lap. Lisa, you too. Coming dad. Jump in here, Wiger. I don't know what else to say. Lisa, you sound like Marge.

Yeah. I got this. I got it from her, I guess. Alright. Anyway, today's email comes from Marge. Marge writes, I decided to celebrate my birthday this past Sunday by going to Taco Bell for the first time

in about 15 years. I had a crunchy gordita crunch, a Doritos Locos taco at Chalupa Supreme in a quesarito. The chalupa was my order in high school and that held up for me. The crunchy gordita crunch was satisfied, but the quesarito was my favorite item

because Doritos Locos taco is more nacho cheesier, but overall, four and a half spoons. The hell? Question for the feedback. Is there anything you haven't eaten in the last 15 years you would like to revisit? Shout out to Emma, Wally and Irma. Wow.

First of all, you've wasted the last 15 years of your life. It's fucked up. You should have gone. Why did you wait 15 years? Yeah. You know, Popeyes is a place that I didn't

visit as much as I wish I had until honestly, until the podcast started. Yes. And then I realized how good Popeyes is and I enjoy it quite a bit. 15 years is tough because in my mind, I'm like 15 years ago, where the hell was I 15 years ago?

I was out here. This is my 15th year out in this fucking city. 15 years can fly by when you're an adult. Yeah. This now sucks. This question sucks. It's not your fault. But Nick, I've said this before,

but a pizza hut buffet and things like that are the things I missed from that long ago. I guess that's the distinction. Do we want to talk about stuff that no longer exists? Because that's kind of a different thing versus something you've chosen not to eat. I guess both are valid.

You know what I haven't had in 15 years is a meatball sub from Wegmans. Wow. That sounds great. It's the last time I was at fucking Edithica and I really liked it. Wegmans is my local grocery store.

I can get you one. Hell yeah. Ship it on over. Include those wings, too. 15 years. You mentioned like pizza hut. Being able to go into a pizza hut and play the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade game.

I don't know if it's possible for my family to be together or for my father to be here. If I can just return to that warm cocoon of being a child, that would be great. But I guess a pizza hut buffet in some arcade games would be pretty close. Godfather's Pizza, too,

which I don't think exists anymore at all. I would like to have that again as well. I've never had Godfathers. I don't think there aren't a lot out on the West Coast. But I agree that that pizza buffet is so good. We've been to Shaky's Buffet

more recently for the podcast. But even that, I was like, this is not stellar, but it's still fun. I'm still having a great time here. And I feel like buffets, we've talked about this a little bit, but in the age of post-COVID,

it feels like buffets are just going to, if not go away, at least recede. We're going to see a lot fewer self-serve stations because people are just more concerned about hygiene, you'd think. But something I haven't had in a long, long time, you know what I think of is just going

to a straight up green burrito. And we've tasted some green burrito items at the hybrid. There's a, you know, sometimes there's a green burrito menu at the hybrid Carl's Jr. Hardee's. They have either green burrito or red burrito, depending on which side of the Rockies you're on.

And, you know, they're just offerings, they're kind of paltry, and they're not as good. But if you go to a proper green burrito, I used to actually really like that place. And just a straight up bean and cheese burrito from a green burrito is just fucking dynamite. So yeah, I think that.

And I think also, just, you know, I'm trying to think of other chains that have gone by the wayside. A lot of them we tried for the podcast. Nick, you know what? I just said one the other day, I'm just realizing this. The

brown derby when it was in L.A. There's only, if I went back 15 years, I think there was still one open in L.A. And I never got one to the L.A. one, which was kind of famous back in the day. But they're the creators of the Cobb Salad. Yes.

And there's one in Disney World, and I believe maybe that's the only one left. Yeah, it's. Also, what like a shitty back to the future type adventure we'd have 15 or 20 years and just go fucking eating. We'd go around town eating. We should go back further

to when our mums were horny teens. That's the lesson of back to the future. Oh man, everyone wants to resist their mom's advances. Every guy's dream. What a fucking weird, that is, I mean, it's a great movie.

Yeah, so Milani did that bit about, you know, how weird the plot of that movie is, but I did, when I actually came back and watched it again, it's even weirder than he points out because the plan of the movie, this is McFly's plan is to

literally is to sexually assault his mother and have his father stop him so that she falls in love with his father. But what actually happens is that he doesn't get the opportunity to try and assault his mother. And so Biff

comes and does it. And his plan succeeds. That is the climax of the movie. That is the thing that happens in the movie is that will McFly be able to convince his mother

that he's trying to rape her. That's the film. Dear God, Anas. Sounds like it holds up. He pulls it off. He does. Yeah, it works. Everything works out fine for everyone. I'm not sure that the trauma his mother

has to live with, but by the time we think about that we're already into Back to the Future too. And then also Biff is still like the friendly mechanic that they have at the house. Yeah, they keep him around. Yeah. They're just like, oh Biff, he'll never

get it together. Let us know of food you haven't eaten in the last 15 years that you'd like to revisit. Hashtag fries from your grave. What the hell? What the hell does that mean? No. What the hell does that mean?

Well, leave us a voicemail at 830 Godot, that's 830-463-6844. And again, the Doughboys double our weekly bonus episode during the GoldenEar Platinum Plate Club at patreon.com slash Doughboys. We talked about, we mentioned hot salad, we've done this a million times. We should let the bit die in some way

or whatever. And I'm all for new stuff, but fries from the grave, what was it? Oh, so rise from your grave. That's a pun on rise from your grave. It sucks. Wow. Leslie Lee the third,

thank you so much for being able to do the show. Thank you so much for sharing all of your insights. What would you like to plug at this time? Yes, thank you so much for having me on. patreon.com slash Struggle Session. You can get your bonus episodes there. We do one or two bonus episodes a week.

We talk about movies, music, comic books, all things pop culture. We're going to do an episode of Real Housewives soon. Like just, we really dig that, but we can also do anime, video games, literature, like all sorts of stuff. We just had a neuroscientist

on. So we do a lot of different stuff. I think our show is really, really good. And I hope the Doughboys listeners will check us out. Jack is wonderful on the show. I know you all get very mad at him for having independent thoughts, but I promise

you, I keep him in line on that show. So don't worry about it. Please check us out. Two very, two extremely intelligent guys and I love my Jackie boy. And Leslie, I have not known you nearly as long, but I love you to your great guy.

I appreciate it. Love you too, man. And it was great to finally get you on. Thank you so much for having me. Love you, Leslie. A delight to have you on. A delight to be on your show. There are some episodes of Struggle Session with the Doughboys if you're looking for a jumping on point. About five or six now, yeah. Check that out. And hey, that'll do it

for this episode of Doughboys. Until next time, for the Spoonman, Mike Mitchell, I'm Nick Weigar. Happy eating. See ya. On the next Doughboys Double, it's those sweet, icy tubes we know and love. Popsicles. Comedian Emmy Blotnick joins from the Big Apple, that's New York City, for a Popsicle taste test Stravaganza.

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