Doughboys - Charleys Philly Steaks with Derek Waters

Episode Date: September 23, 2021

Derek Waters (Drunk History, Mythic Quest) joins the 'boys to discuss donut salad and Maryland eats before a review of Charleys Philly Steaks. Plus, a Drank History edition of Slop Quiz. Sources for this week's intro: https://www.phillybite.com/index.php/travel/943-pat-s-vs-geno-s-philly-s-cheesesteak-debate https://www.phillymag.com/foobooz/2018/09/22/cheesesteak-history/ https://www.patskingofsteaks.com/history https://www.genosteaks.com/about/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracechung/2017/12/18/how-a-korean-immigrant-amassed-a-food-empire-by-serving-an-american-favorite/?sh=17025c6a626d https://charleys.com/about Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sign up today that link that you want to click on is down there in the episode description Right down there. Check it out. There it is move your cursor Go ahead and click that if you're on your phone Mm-hmm use your finger and click that link click that link in the episode description Unlike other famous foodstuffs of disputed origin like say the French dip the conception of the Philly cheesesteak is pretty cut and dry Brothers Pat and Harry Olivier invented the handheld in 1933 after sizzling steak on their hot dog cart Pat's king of steaks still stands today drawing tourists in with a gravitational pull of a black hole Along with it's across the street rival Gino steaks who concedes the sandwiches origin but claims to have perfected it

But perhaps the individual who's made the most money off of Philadelphia's most famous export next to Ben Franklin has no tangible connection to the city of brotherly love Born in Seoul, South Korea and later immigrating to Columbus, Ohio at the age of 13 Where his mom operated a restaurant to support the family? Charlie Shin grew up around the food service industry and himself worked in restaurants as a student at the Ohio State University After a chance detour resulted in a trip to Philadelphia He fell in love with its ooey-gooey sliced steak Sammy and went to work home brewing his own varietal Opportunistically spotting a cheesesteak-sized void in his college town's off-campus eateries in 1986 still a junior Shin convinced his mother to fund his sandwich shop giving a generational boost to the American dream

According to a Forbes profile by Grace Chung Shin said of his mom's loan quote She didn't know anything about the sandwich, but she trusted her only son end quote And that trust proved to be well-placed as Shin's concept was an immediate hit with the Buckeye student body and soon grew into a chain Clustered mostly at food courts today with over 600 locations This franchise doesn't claim to have invented the Philly steak like Pat's or to have perfected it like Gino's But this Ohioan by way of soul has certainly evangelized it spreading his version across the globe like a Johnny Philly steak seed and Proudly trumpets itself as the number one cheesesteak in the world this week on dope boys Charlie's Philly steaks

Welcome to dope boys the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm nick weigher along with my co-host ebb a sneezer splooge the smooth man Mike Mitchell ever sneezer Sblood jeez It's a mouthful the lids hats on hats That's courtesy of the sour bros a callback to the original Mitch sneeze gaffe and is an inevitable inevitable on-pod nut Thanks for everything, but especially the do-a-thon from some service industry vets love the sour bros aka Nate Joel and Jasper three Brooklyn boys who text each other about the dope boys most days roast spoon man at gmail.com

um I well the sour boys is right because Their roast just made me sour Three three guys put their heads together to collab on that The brain power of three men to craft ebb a sneezer splooge. Hey, well, it does sound like three separate jokes in there That's true So one want to be cranky one want to be sneezy and one want to be to becoming my pants apparently, but yes Uh, yeah a camel is a horse designed by committee. What's the expression something like that?

Well, you know what good for them Good for them. Happy for the sour bros. Congrats the sour bros. Wags. How you doing? I went to a Patriots game, uh on sunday Wow, how excited what was that like? What was it like seeing NFL in action? I almost said NFL in action NFL action. No, there was no in action In action lots of action happening in action very different from in action You saw the NFL in action in person for the first time since quarantine, I believe Narria mask in sight, I will say but

And the players more the players more masked than anything I want to get down on the field Uh Yeah, no, it was it was fun, but but definitely nerve-wracking to be back in a in a scenario like that. I was I definitely felt especially with a Patriots fans I was like, uh Where you know, you're more likely to see Blue lives matters decals on the back of cars in the parking in the tailgating While tailgating, but I but I was I was the uh, I was I was I felt like

A weirdo by being the only person with a mask on but I I gotta I gotta keep it on a little bit for a while, right? It was it was overwhelming likes there was a lot. Yeah, it was it was overwhelming, but I don't know. It felt good to to go to an actual game again and experience something. It was nice Yeah, I went to a couple half capacity Uh vaccination or proof of negative tests required Laker games when they were they were kind of in the pseudo post season And uh, and that was that was also like a fun experience to be in a crowd and you and I you and I went to a wrestling show as well

So we've done a few crowdy things. It's it's interesting weird. It's it's a but just being around that energy is very contagious Yeah, I mean multiple ways. I mean you can't sense any of that from you you're very You're dead eyed no matter where you are, but for the most part. Yeah, I like to sit and quietly enjoy whatever I'm watching Why because I'm coming back. Uh, I'm coming back To la on monday. Oh, you're visiting la again from your from where you live quincy massachusetts I'm coming la on monday. I'm coming back to la on monday. Be nice to have you here for a few weeks I got a picture of the uh

Oh god, I got a picture of the bed covered in cat fur because uh the cat sitters vincent and caroline who watched my cats They uh, they sent me a pic and they might and the bed was just covered in cat fur But they were looking cute. They were looking very cute, but only a few days left with the bidet my mom's bidet You got to get one for the palmer stina boat No, I'm gonna just I'm gonna get some good use out of it before I come back. I'm gonna I'm gonna use that thing as much as possible Wags when I come back when if I bend over at the right angle, you're gonna be able to see clear through from hole to hole That's a promise to you All right

Can I can I talk about something real quick? I did have something I wanted to talk about up top All right. Yeah, I feel I mean I have to do a drop and we have to introduce our guests So we've already wasted too much time a great guest. Yeah, but yeah, but you got two you got two bullet points out I had one That I want to talk about what you think hole to hole was a bullet point You want to talk about your uh movement coming back to la visiting la and you want to talk about the pats game I had one item of business. I wanted to discuss. I can speed through this made me start it. Okay. All right. Go ahead I didn't make you start it. You went right into pats game

Just go mit you and I are more spiritual than a lot of people out here in la Uh, where I live and where you visit we love god We love god On a recent night On a recent night the night of september 10th. I had a dream in which I believe I had Yep The closest I've yet experienced to divine revelation Mm-hmm. I had a vision

Of a food stuff that does not exist But I think it should and I think I am serving As the conduit to pass this gift along to the world Yeah From almighty god and also I get 50 percent and also I think now emma and our guests probably get in on this too So there's probably There's no i'm share. I'm just giving this to everyone. This is like I'm not gonna turn I'm not gonna keep this for like some sort of capitalist

Uh aim. I'm I'm just I'm just gifting this to the world because it's not even mine to give this is from god himself or herself That's better the food stuff So I was I was in this dream. I was given a bowl of something And I looked into it and I I saw what it was and it was like joseph cambell Or who was it? Was it joseph cambell joseph smith? Whoever the joseph cambell was a power of myth guy joseph smith was the guy who

Uh, uh, was the original uh, uh, profit of the church of jesus christ of jerry. A lot of these saints the more This is why I didn't want you to have a bullet point. You're just going off into these fucking stupid tangents He looked into a hat and he saw like a vision like like it was like that I was like looking at this bowl and I was seeing a vision of something divine this food stuff That does not exist and until now Is called doughnut salad? That's right

doughnut salad That's emma breaking Here's what doughnut salad consists of Two to three donuts of your choice 2.5 might be the sweet spot So you can get you can take cake you can take chocolate cake old-fashioned whatever you want And or a combination of more than one They get chopped up and put in a bowl cold stone style

then You get your choice of drizzle You got glaze Vanilla maple whatever you want any sort of doughnut tonic topping And finally get your choice of speaking of toppings your spoi your your choice of dry topping You got sprinkles chopped nuts Oreo crumbles whatever you want you do with your poking stick Our guest is shaking his head. No, but but I this is a home run doughnut salad You're welcome. It's trademarked

You're welcome, but don't thank me. Thank god himself or herself my my my pitch to you was to also throw You can throw a muffin in there. I thought was kind of a fun throw a muffin thing to put that I guess is leaving possibly Donut salad I'll say this why I yeah, I had pitched to you Cool ranch Doritos. Remember I showed you I sent you the pic and I think I maybe I tweeted about it or talked about in here of Doritos that had like extra flavor on it. Remember I showed you that I got like one with like a lot of flavor on it And I was saying that Doritos should do that like kind of how they do the extra toasty cheez-its And then I see online on some social media on instagram

I see people posting about it this is after I had the idea So I think you should get your ideas out there. Someone's going to steal donut salad Because I hope they do I hope this gets made Overdressed Doritos. We're going to be like the the uh the flamin hot cheetos the real creator not the Person who pretended to make it or whatever the deal is without story. Yeah, that was a whole weird suspicious thing but Someone's going to steal donut salad. It's good to get it out there I mean it sounds like shit and no one will probably steal it really but

I pitched this to you and you were very excited I want you want the profit and I immediately agreed because I because you know what this is This came from our collaboration. That's why this was in my brain in the first place You're you're going to get 50 percent. This is embarrassing, but how do you know to spoon nation? I don't want to do it Uh and and am I play a drop? We gotta get our guests in here. Just could you play this drop real quick? Thank you, Emma I was a little licky boy. Wow I also was a little licky boy

Wow I was a little licky boy Wow Then it was a little sticky boy What the fuck Wow Is that what the drops usually sound like to you? They sound like shit on your end, huh? Yeah, I mean they they don't they don't sound good

I mean, yeah, the listener says I can't the email won't load So let's introduce our guests and then I'll find the email that my email is just not loading why introduce the guests Our guest today very we'll give credit to this person. Oh just give us a second. Okay. We'll give credit to you Also look out for donut salad our guest today from drunk history and mythic quest. Derek waters is here. Hi Derek. Hey everybody Derek thank you for being here. Of course donut salad galore. I mean, yeah, there's where I'm gonna go with it. Is that I'm not judging anyone if they are in a relationship In general, but one like this If that idea were to work were to be if you were dating or married or

In the same room with someone that judges your food intake Which you shouldn't even be with them anymore But if you were involved with someone the donut salad is perfect But you know, why not just get a donut? And it sounds like this is a way to not look like a fat slob You know what I mean? I think it's like, you know, you got to get You know a huge, you know, you get Brad Pitt As your spokesperson, you know that he doesn't like to eat donuts in public this way

He can and not look like a fat slob I like that. I was I wasn't even thinking about that as a value add. Yeah I think it's gotta be about the materialistic appearance because when you're alone You're never going to eat a salad Yeah, right Well, also Derek brings up a great point in that he said why not just get a donut? And then when he did say that I was like, yeah, he's right Look, why not just get a donut instead of a donut salad?

Right. Yeah, that's fair But I think there is there are there a room for both And I think what this offers is that you get to customize it Which is something you don't get to do if you're ordering a donut You kind of get to make your own bespoke creation Like hey, I want to have both maple And chocolate sprinkles. When do you ever see that you don't? Yeah, that's true. Would the salads be like, uh, yes, sir Can I get one glazed salad?

So it's like a salad that's all glazed I think you could because that makes sense like instead of the donut. It's like the donut topping on the lettuce tomato You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I mean, I think probably, you know, and now that's starting to sound like a soup to me Yeah We get that a lot. I wasn't thinking of having fresh produce in there. Oh, yeah You were thinking of that. No, I wasn't I was thinking it's like it's all donuts, you know as the base not necessarily You know fresh veggies, but that's its own thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's true. Maybe I'm overthinking it

You know what I think either way. Yeah I think that this is a hit in la For three years and then you see and then you go it goes out of business I think but also that's all you need in 2010 maybe I don't know about I don't know if this still works in 2021 Nick, you know, I work in the restaurant industry and I ask all my restaurants this question when they're pitching me ideas for their Various restaurant ideas. I say, what's the animal style of it all? You know what I mean, right?

What's the animal style? I like that of of the donut salad I like yeah, I think I think that's a great question A donut They give you a whole donut to pull it out from the back room. It's like a wink. I'll have the uh, you know Donut salad animal style. All right. How big do you want your donut, sir? Uh Derek, we're very very excited to at long last have you on the podcast and and I I do know that you're from we're talking about this a Little bit before we started recording. You were uh You're you're originally from Maryland. You grew up there. I grew up in uh, looserville just outside of bottom or about

15 20 minutes. Yeah, my chains started there um And uh, yeah, I am a huge nostalgic fan. Um, I was raised in a household where Um, mcdonald's and fast food was kind of um, you know at least once a week and um, wow That's how I got the great stomach. I have now Um, but you know, I know yeah, I'll talk about my favorites and stuff But yeah, so they you know, but on the east coast you guys know there's roi rogers and hardys and that that was You know, um

A good portion of my life, but yeah mcdonald's is the main thing But also you guys ever do the farm store royal farm. Did you guys ever talk about that? No, we've done we've done farmer boys Yeah, now that's definitely more like royal farm store would be like a step up of 7 11 But okay, they have really good fried chicken Really good fried chicken. Yeah, so it's right up out there. Yeah. It's uh, I believe only east coast But but it's like a convenience store with hot food. It's like a kind of like a wah wah Exactly exactly like a wah wah. Yep. Yep. Um, but yeah east coast, but yeah grew up there and uh Yeah, I um, I love food

I love you know, there's a nostalgia of like there's a type of food and one thing that maryland gets a lot Is like I like to fly out crabs here And teach friends how to eat them and it's a good thing that will you guys always talk about on your show Is like some of this food reminds you of being a kid Which is why you know, I'm not a psychologist But it's why we keep eating it not like oh, I want to be baby. Let me suck my thumb while I eat this It's like no, it's a comfort feeling Now hold on Derek because nick and I kind of do that too. No, that's kind of a kind of a combo of the two for us

Yeah, yeah, yeah But but eating the crab is a very similar thing because it's like when you you know A 30 year old picking a crab is like this is disgusting But when you grew up doing it It's just that thing where like I probably would find it disgusting like Knowing the mustard's diarrhea, but I don't think about I'm like, no the mustard's good All you don't eat are the lungs, but it's that it's that nostalgia and it's just something that you grew up doing Right. Yeah, just I don't know. It's comfort and I always say

This weird thing that I realized getting older is like eating crabs Fishing and sleepovers like I always wondered like why do you talk about different shit? Own sleepovers then you do like normally and I realized it's because you're not looking at each other It's the same thing of like crabs or fishing. I feel like you get more comfortable Or we put some of our guard down Um when you don't you can talk to someone and you're not looking at them. Isn't that weird? Should we turn our cameras off? I was gonna say it nick in your case. That's pretty much anyone you talk to You're never you're never making direct eye contact. Yeah, absolutely down

But that Derek that's genius. I never I never thought about that before that is great Oh, you know, what do you do with that information? You share it another thing I just realized is uh, if you want people to look at you wear reflective glasses I realized that recently Uh, it's because people like looking at themselves Oh, I like that to me, but I don't really I mean that's not like hey, are you tired of people not looking at you? Give me them glasses. I just think it's funny that people like Will look at you more if they can see a reflection on themselves

Well, so that's a thing, you know, we we spend so much time in various video chat apps in this current in our current reality And I I I think it's very common to realize like wait, I'm looking at myself a lot Like I just I can't help that my own picture is on this And sometimes I'll try to I'll I'll just turn my own camera off in my self view because I'm just like I'm so distracted by I like it's just a human instinct to like I want to look at myself for whatever reason Well, will this still work if we turned our screens off? It would still work You know, it's like

Yeah, we can do that interesting because Um, let's see here. It's like we uh, the podcast is like well, that's not true All podcasts you know you used to be in front of people Right, you guys you guys are dark, but you can hear me Yeah, we can see I like looking at you guys. This is weird. Sorry. Let's get back to I'm going I'm going dark. Hold on you're going dark. Okay. I can't are you stopping your camera. What are you doing? I'm trying to stop I can stop my camera. I can't find I can't find there I just stopped my camera, but you can hopefully still hear me. There's there should be stop cam at the bottom

You're you're pulsing. You're like your little orb is pulsing. Are you still with us? Yeah, when I talk Oh, there I go. Yeah, now just now just a little circle is on screen for me and when we talk that circle starts pulsing I'm pulsing This is my life This is my life This is beautiful. I think I think that this might be the most comfortable episode of dope boys will have This is great. What a different vibe. What a different energy. I'm you know, I tell you I'm looking at four circles on screen right now

pulsing at various periods at various points Hmm. I think this is kind of like a donut salad I think it's a four-eyed monster but I I'm actually in the car now Wow already immediately doing business

Derrick's at the bank Uh, why is your circle somehow pulled a tube in still? I don't know how I pulled it off There's a little tiny Little tiny circle below it. Um, yeah I I have the uh I have the email for the drop. Okay. Great. Hi, Mitch, nick, emma, drop king and the ever-present ghost of usand This is my first drop. I followed the drop king's tutorial. So he deserves a ton of recognition Everyone associated with this podcast rules. Love you all from the bottom of my heart. Love jessica anderson

Uh, roseville minnesota Yes, minnesota PS minnesota loves our dope boys and there aren't any mountains here Instagram totes fresh twitter totes fresh Oh, wait. Wow totes totes first f er s h Thank you. That's very nice. A good drop Um, sorry, didn't take you 10 full minutes to yeah, like how did I how did it take you so long to find that email?

Emma text Emma Emma Emma texted me a screen grab of it actually and it's been in there for a while Yo, you got that mama wi-fi. You got that mama wi-fi That is a hundred percent true. I can't even tell you how true Every time I come home. I I told you a little bit of this Derrick, but every time I come home It's me Reconfiguring my mom's wi-fi and every electronic piece of equipment in the house trying to figure out what the fuck has happened like like uh

Like her phones didn't work. I got her her landline phones working again. The the internet wasn't working and and the doorbell wasn't ringing All fit. It's all fixed now. Everything does she have because this is what I do My mom is that she's got this book with all these passwords, but she forgets to like get rid of them Once she changes them. So we have together. I don't know try this one Is it and and like, you know, I don't want to give away her passwords on here, right, but um Yeah, she's never it's it's it's it. Yeah, I like they think I'm some like I work at the genius bar Like I feel like I'm such a Fucking tech nerd when I go there. It's like I'm like, yeah, I guess to the Amish. I look like I know computers

No, that's just the same the same thing with my mom where There's passwords in the like uh, so like say for under x in the book It's a it's an it's an alphabetical book and under x for xfinity They'll be there'll be passwords written out and then crossed out and written out so much so that it goes into like y And z because she's just she has to change the path and the password is always like My dead dad and someone you know someone someone someone who is who has died And we change it to someone else who has died. It's a it's a it's a mess It's a mess every time I come back here, but she's set to go until I come back in

November likes I'll come help you back in November No, and you know what I'm gonna stay through till Christmas. I think That's awesome. No, is that the room? Is that the house you grew up in? This is the house I grew up in I'm I'm currently in the basement right now And I'm sad I'm sad to be leaving but the cats are back there. It's good. It's good to go back Yeah, that's good. Yeah I like it. Why is what do you want from me? If you're comfortable in quincy live in quincy

That's fine. You can do that. I can't tell I'm just looking at your orb So I have no idea how you're feeling even though I can't really I I'm realizing now that I Maybe I can read you better than I thought because your orb is just sitting there silently Do you think my do you think my facial expressions would convey any additional information? And my voice knowing me it's harder to yell at you when you're just a little orb. It's hard for me to yell at you We can we can d orb in it. Let's let's let's roll with this till the break And then we can d orb and we can go back to our to our having our cameras on on Derek, I do have a question as someone with the last name waters

Do you drink water? A lot of oh my god. Thank you Derek, I'm sorry I'm sorry, but It's a very good question. I realize I drink it more, you know, just, you know, right make sense. Yeah I'm drinking it right now Yeah, you are you know, yeah, it does make sense. Um, yeah, you're gonna tell if he was why so why did you say that? I love oil derel derricks. I love those

Derrick's right Yo, old derricks. I like oil derricks and just drinking a lot of water mumbling. I am h2o. I am h2o No, I love drinking water. See you do you I thought you were going John waters That was a good trick Nick. Oh, there's John waters There's Roger waters. Yes, because it's John waters also from Maryland. Yeah, I went to the same high school as divine Wow And so it's me divine and Michael Phelps. So I like to say yeah, that's wow who I'm a famous nation of I got at North Quincy high school. It's me

And the guy who dropped one of the atomic bombs so not I don't know Not great Not great companies Like the pilot of the enola gay No, it was yeah, it was the other. Yeah, I don't know which oh the other plane. Okay. Yeah Um, well, you know, it's cool. Oh, sorry Nick. Nick wants to go out that he went to high school with Cameron Diaz and snoop dog He's I didn't go to high school with them, but they are we were all saying graduate from our high schools I was gonna say I didn't graduate before them. Come on

two years older than you Um, the uh, the we were talking about famous alums from our high schools I got a long beach poly high a Cameron Diaz and snoop dog. Whoa Yeah There's something about that high school It's gonna take Cameron. It's gonna take Thank you We go ahead. It's gonna take Cameron Diaz. It's gonna take Cameron Diaz herself to tell weigur that she he is saying her name strangely

Diaz Joey Dia Yeah, you know what's funny about doing it like this. It's hard to do give and take Right because it's it is This is a blind improv group struggle, but sorry, but the other thing is that it's um The orb does have one advantage like like, um, can you say why you went Your high school thing of like who else went to your high school again, Mike? uh, if the uh

The guy who dropped one of the atomic bombs went to uh See in a non orb world you would have seen that coming Right Was that a physical slide whistle you haven't already? Yes. Yes. Wow All I have to say is Derek, this has maybe changed the game for dough boys I think we may be slide whistling the rest of the time we have this podcast. I think that's a huge change That makes some that's so fun. Yeah, the sound how can you ever be sad hearing a slide whistle?

I was always convinced of that so it's like I should just have one around someone's like Derek, it's time to do make supper I don't feel like it Does anything said you just blow that thing and it's just pure joy I'm just impressed by your ability to just like bring it out at the exact right Like right as you finish a sentence right as you finish a thought Well, that's I kind of was stalling because I uh had to go grab it from my glove compartment of comedy props I

Derek I have I have a question as dumb as weigars um What uh What is your favorite drunk food? The man who created drunk history. What is your favorite drunk food like? What's yeah, what's your favorite drunk snack? Do you got a favorite? I think some people say You know Oh when I get drunk I have this but it's like when I get drunk I have something like

It's not like oh, it's only when I drink. I'll have a wendy's You know corner uh patty Um, yeah, I don't have I'm not giving you a good answer. Uh, I don't have a go-to but I would say Uh a late night jack-in-the-box never. Oh hell. Yeah sad. Oh ultimate cheeseburger. I mean we all know that It's all about the bun and that that that bun Oh man, but I'm just my point is that I would eat that at noon as well. It's not like right. Yeah, but it's a great Drunk order that you won't uh, you definitely won't be hung over in the morning because you just filled up your belly I'm interested to hear you say jack-in-the-box because I don't believe they have those in maryland, right? I think that they're all west of the rockies

They don't I remember as a kid and I only remember I think kevin kneelen was the Uh reporter at the time um on and there was all these jack-in-the-box jokes because someone had gotten food poisoning from it And that's all I knew there was a jacks in maryland I don't know how big that chain was but it was jacks and they were really good hamburgers But we never had jack-in-the-box. No So when you move out to l.a. You start you start eating it. When did I start eating it when I moved? Yeah To a 2000 got it. Yeah 20. Oh, yeah one years. I really enjoyed, uh, uh Kevin kneelen as as the snl weekend update. He was great. He was uh, that was that was kind of my my first big era

of snl, but Derek, I like the fact that uh a maryland i'm massachusetts, which There are comedians that come out of here and a lot of the times they can be obnoxious But everyone's chicago, you know, everyone comes from chicago and and uh, I like the maryland representation. It's good It's a good it's it's a good thing Yeah, I thank you man. Yeah. Yeah as soon as I graduated I left. I was like nope There's nothing here for me, but I I love it there. I just was like, yeah

You know see you guys later, but yeah, I love I love living there and I love going back But I also love being here I really enjoyed visiting that I I don't I didn't grow up eating crabs too much. I'm a lobster man just from Being a little further up the coast than you are and so I but so I am not I am not good at eating Crabs and and you'd think that it should be close to eating lobster, but it is very different Like it is very different like I don't like eating lobster And then I think it is one of those things like how you grew up and I've always said that's my you know

favorite food And uh, wow, but my grandfather always asked such a great question every time we would eat he would eat crabs you would say I just would like to meet the first man ever eat a crab because that guy used must have been really hungry It's a great it's a great point And then he also told me the best time to get crabs is in october because that's when they take all the bodies out of the Bay and they're covered in crab Oh, oh my you got a little bit of crab and people

Wow There must be something there must be something to that I I uh There must be they're better No, but there's another thing in maryland that I wanted to ask you guys if you knew And nick where where on the uh, where were you born? I'm I I've lived my whole lifetime in sunny so Cal always. Okay. Yeah, okay Mike did you ever have uh, have you ever had a cheeseburger sub? Yes

and You know a lot of the times I've I've talked about this a little bit on the podcast, but but uh, I love cheeseburger subs and A lot of the times I feel like you get a bacon cheeseburger sub like they would try to make it a bacon cheeseburger sub But no just just a just a plain old cheeseburger sub. I've had plenty of times and they don't I feel like when I've said that before to people on the west coast or People who are not from the northeast

They're confused by it that it's like a big submarine sandwich That's just with cheeseburgers cutting to usually it's a cheeseburger patty cutting to and then yeah, so so there's there's usually Two cheeseburger patties in there, but sometimes maybe three And then lettuce tomato onion so good and why are they not everywhere? I don't understand. They are not hard to make And uh, yeah, but the good one is a good one. I've I've but I've had bad ones But it just seems like wait that is all I've only had them in maryland. I've never had them anywhere else And I always ask I remember when I first moved here. I was like you have cheeseburgers

You have subs. Could I just get a cheeseburger on that sub and they were like no Do you do it? I yeah get the fuck out of here. Yeah, that's what he said And I was like your business. Well, fuck you Jared. Why don't you go watch the more kitty porn? I was Jared. Maybe I will that piece of shit We got him. We got him. We got him. Well, Derek, you're you're part of the crew that just Jared Oh, what is this subway cheeseburgers? Where is that fucking cheeseburgers? I mean, I I I did a thing once uh with uh Next girlfriend of mine. I you know what I I realized the other day is like, I'm so tired of people saying

My girlfriend at the time like I really like I'm not interested in dating history when people are like So my girlfriend at the time Right, I'll just shut up and tell the fucking story. But uh a nice girlfriend and I We went uh did the dream which was we were coming by from somewhere and there was in and out on one side and mcdonald's on the other And we did it to do the cheeseburger from in and out and the burger and the fries from mcdonald's That's heaven. I felt like I want to share that with the dough boys That's a that's a great move. Does yeah wigs wigs will wigs will say that the in and out fries aren't as bad But I mean, are you also on tonight that

McDonald's fries are the best fries. There's no way around it I like I like I've said before I've said this a a few times Any no anyone who wants to say I don't like in and out or in and out fries. I'll be like Wiger's orb is sweating Huh trying to stop it from tubing again. Um the I'm not going to argue with anyone who says I don't like in and out fries Because I happen to like them because I grew up with them But they are definitely their own thing and you know like if someone's like I like the burger

But I don't bother with the fries. They're like like yeah, that's fine. Am I going to fight you on that? But you just said you just hit the golden ticket. I grew up with them. You know what I mean? Exactly like that's the golden ticket for all this stuff 100% there's very few new things that are like, oh, yeah, when did you get into in and out when I was 40? You know, I wonder you know, I don't want to prelude but some of the place that we went to Um is very new And I was thinking about the nostalgia Isn't there and how much that does affect our taste buds

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That's wildgrain.com slash dough boys or you can use promo code dough boys at checkout Do it Welcome back to dough boys. We are here with our guest derrick waters discussing this week's chain charlie's filly steaks Charlie's does not have an apostrophe named for its founder a Popeye style named for its founder charlie shin Now charlie mitch was born in south korea and lived there until he was 13 his mom had a korean-Japanese restaurant in the states And then she helped invest in his first location Which of the first charlie's was was open in 1986 across the street from the ohio state university as people say

Uh, he was a student there at the time now has 600 locations open this with money from his mom Uh, who worked in the restaurant industry as a junior in college This is this is a revelation to me because one of my notes about Charlie's was that it felt like a restaurant that you would That you would go to overseas if like to me it felt very much like if you went to germany And it was like american like the american burger stand or something like there like there's something that's also familiar about it and also feels Very like feels different. I guess you could say so that this is uh, this is very interesting news to me

I find it interesting too. I mean, I didn't look up the history But when you're saying it nigga, it makes sense. Uh, because it definitely, uh, tastes like It came from which was spoiled He sounds spoiled and so did his cheesesteaks Tipping your hat onto Oh, sorry Oh, no, no, no, it's fair to say we're we're in it now. I I'm saying It tasted so it tasted like

It tasted like it was it had gone bad. You're saying You know, I was just trying to uh, the kid was sound spoiled and the food wasn't good And I was excited. My my official review is that I was completely Unpleasantly surprised Wow And I mean I I was very excited um And I'd heard of them

But I've never tried them now. I I'm not trying to promote another place But I'm picky with my filly, uh, cheesesteaks and I like burbank's best And the reason why and we all know it's all about the bread this bread Not good in my opinion. It might be good. It didn't taste good to me the the the meats felt like grade d And uh, my positives are the french fries very good fries And a really nice strawberry, uh, lemonade that was strong enough to have me forget about the shit I had in my mouth earlier

Wow That that that is yeah Wow, it's it's gonna be a rough review for charlie after I after I eat it I felt like a kid who went to this went to school with the guy who invented the atom bomb I I will say that I I agree with your overall assessment in terms of my sandwich What I didn't like I like the fries and I like my lemonade So yes, I I think the the sides of the drinks they've got and that the sandwich Is a thing that

Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't as I didn't hate the bread, especially like thinking it of it from a chain perspective You know with 600 locations that was decent bread. It's definitely a a step above like a subways You know quality bread. Um, and I don't mean to damn with faint praise like I think that I think it was a better tier of bread Uh, it was just what was inside of the sandwich, but let's get into it. Uh, mitch had you had charlie's before I'd had charlie's before But it had been years I had never had charlie's before it's like one of the few places I really don't know anything about at all um, I was looking up locations to go and and At first it appeared in in the south shore plaza right down by not far from my house that there was there was a charlie's

And then I looked it again and it wasn't there, but then I went and there was just one at the south shore plaza and there was a pretty good There was a pretty good crowd of people there. I'll say this And I and also I'm gonna say this I don't I've never seen a standalone charlie's I don't think and also all the places that I was looking for except I think there was one in boston that was a standalone Store, but there was there are most of them are in malls. This is what I was seeing. It's a food court staple for sure so I'm like I'm like derrick. I I'm I'm I'm I'm picky about my

steak and cheese subs And I uh, de angelo's wags is a local change. I like de angelo's quite a bit. I think they do a good Steak and cheese. I'll I'll say this I like that charlie's has the flat flat top grill and the guy who was making my subs was he was great He he he was he was doing a great job. He cooked up Because I ordered four different sandwiches He he uh, he cooked them up pretty quickly And and was asking me as he was going the what I like if I want anything else and want to add any toppings to it

And he was great Yeah, I actually didn't have as bad of a time as you guys did. I I guess I I kind of I kind of enjoyed my sandwiches Um, but I will agree on the bread to me To me it felt like uh, we've had firehouse sub bread and it kind of felt like a similar style bread to that Which I don't know if there's like people who just like those kind of soft basic rolls or whatever. I don't know if that's a deal but When I think of a sub sandwich if I'm thinking of a cheeseburger sub derrick and also I want to bring up that I I meant to say it before but a cheeseburger club Was the it was the other thing that I that I really liked that I've never seen anywhere else

Which is just a club sandwich with with the cheeseburger in it instead of turkey or whatever and it's great um but I like a good hearty Sub roll I I I like I I that isn't that's that is important to me and and And these are definitely they're soft and just kind of nothing's Um, but but I thought that the steak actually tasted pretty good The the the steak and cheese in the in the sub rolls for me was

Was pretty good. They cooked up the uh, so do you want me to say what I got wikes? Yeah, let's get into it Well, I got the the signature filly's cheese steak Um, which comes with peppers onions mushrooms and cheese And I added a pickle to that guy. I added I added a one pickle slice, which you could see I got a I got a small version They put the they put just one giant pickle just holding up across the top of the screen um And uh, and I actually thought that was that was pretty decent. I uh

I didn't they they asked to put mayo on it Which to me already is a bad sign of this if you're getting filly cheese steaks or And each if you're getting a steak and cheese I'm never putting mayo on it. I just let it because they say do you want lettuce tomato and mayo on it? That's what they were asking the kind of like no I don't want lettuce tomato and mayo on my steak and cheese to me that feels off that feels weird That doesn't feel right to me, but that was what they were they were pushing it on each sandwich I'm far from an authority on filly cheese steak. In fact, we were I've been to philadelphia one time

and that was on a dough boys tour and we went to rita's water ice and uh, and Wawa and that was my entire filly eating experience and then had to deal with fucking You know what filly fans win the drunkest audience award It's it's amazing that that we had we were in detroit and a fan got on stage And still the filly crowd was drunker than that I Filly filly filly fans were were very were very very drunk Derek speaking of which

Because sometimes we do what go on little segues. Do you remember the the st. Patrick's day that we kind of spent together? Do you remember this? This is a long time back Where were we? No, I don't you got to remind me more st. Patrick's day We were at residuals bar. Oh my gosh Do you remember this? And you were there and you were there you were there with jesse plemmons. I don't know if you remember this But yeah, your girlfriend at the time Like yeah, he was my girlfriend at the time. That's his this is his dog. Yeah

But we are all hanging outside of uh outside of uh residuals we were in residuals for a big uh st. Patrick's day celebration Yes, I used to go there all the time because I used to live right there. My apartment was right behind it The the birthday the birthday boys a sketch group. I was in their house with like the house the main hub Was like right around there. I was with like evan susser a commissioner of this podcast a few a few uh A few people were there were there with us, but uh, it was it was a great night a great bar night Yeah, and that bar and that bar was great. I always I mean that is a historic bar and I wanted to take a residual there Because I believe it still works, you know, if you have a

Residual less than a dollar you get a free drink. Isn't that the rule? I think yeah And they put they used to put them on the wall I think I think that it's think it still does have that gimmick And I've wanted to go there too to give a a low residual for a for a drink. That sounds it sounds fun Yeah, because if you and and I assume a lot of a lot of listeners understand this but you know, maybe Just in case you're not familiar like like you'll get a physical check From if you out if you worked on something that re-airs you'll get a physical check for it And sometimes it will be for an insultingly low amount

I've literally gotten them for one cent before like a stack of like 80 checks for one cent And uh, and so but yeah, if you take one of those one of these checks into that bar, you'll get a free drink as was discussed Nice gimmick. I think plemmons used a breaking bad residual for like six grand to get a beer I don't think I think it's worth it. I think it's it's a good trade-off. Um, you know, he was I would say one of his residuals would be he was Matt Damon's Kid in all the pretty horses Like wow

And I I think He got cut like I always think about like being like cut out of shit and you're like, uh, but if like you're a kid It's like you're Billy Bob Thornton's directing you and yeah, Matt Damon's playing your dad and then I was like So what happened to my scene mommy? Let's not talk about that But yeah, I've always wanted to go people always compare him to Damon too. So that's a that's a great uh, that's a great insight casting Um, well, he's great and uh, it was a great night. He's the best. He's the best. Yeah, uh, we should let's do it again I'd love it. Uh, and we'll bring residuals

I love it. Let's see if it works. Yeah, I hope it starts. Uh, do you guys still take hulu residuals? No streaming What the difference will be yeah Yeah, they don't take residuals. Let's trash that place and go to the subway around the corner I'm in I'm in I used to go I saw the I just remember the story. So right next to Residuals at least at that time in that shopping center. There was a um, a dry cleaner and I went to a wedding and went

Took my suit to get clean I didn't remember that I had spilled a little bit of wine on My shirt and I didn't say oh just so you know, it's wine spot Now this is just the memory I have of this guy's reaction to it No, I am not covering this up. No, no, no, I go what do you mean? And I was like, it's it's wine He's like that is blood and you get out of here And I'm welcome to do his real voice, but uh, he thought I was fucking Ray Lewis. You know what? He was like telling me to get out with my blood covered

Uh, and then I was never allowed in there because he doesn't like remove blood Oh my god, that's great, but that's not blood That's wine wild. I was really I was like, wait, did I kill somebody? Well, you'd also think Not not not to immediately take his side But you'd think a stain master like himself would be able to know the difference between red wine and blood and blood Yeah, and it makes you question me. Maybe it was But why would I be taking me like, yeah, let me get that blood off

Like you throw it away Hmm. I might be going back over to team Jared and that uh from that Um, we were Derek we were just at a wedding together and I and I actually had my coolest moment Uh, maybe I will verify this this is and I felt cool because I got to witness it It was like, wow, you know, you think taking someone to a make-a-wish Or someone getting their make-a-wish foundation is great. No, it's watching the kid Enjoy it is is is the is the benefit. So Do you want to tell your version because I think you have to

Maybe you could tell because my version will be bad. You're you're maybe a better better storyteller than me, but but so so if you want to pop in please do but So Nathan fielder was doing card tricks and uh And pressing everybody and then and and he did like two crazy card tricks and left And then and this isn't at the wedding. This is like later after this is the after after party This is the after party and then I I uh I basically took the deck and I I basically set up my card trick wigs Which is a simple card trick

But you can make it you can make it harder to do on yourself And make it look really good if you if you do the right thing and and I had set up I I had set up my I had prepped my my deck and then uh Emma stone was at the wedding at uh, and she A listers an a lister and she said do you have a card trick? And I it was the it was the perfect moment to strike But the way she said it was almost like you guys had planned it like I thought like maybe I was like being

Duped like she's like you've got to have a car trip. Don't you? And yeah, in fact, I do But I was not anticipating what it was going to be at all It was the coolest trick. It's so hard. It's like god. I wish you could see it. But really I mean the can I just say like the yes, you know the best tricks are like when there's no way you would really understand Okay, okay. He probably knows you took that card probably has something hidden Right. There wasn't anything that felt hidden. There was a lot of moving and shaking and then there's four rows of cards and

And I could see and Mike's face is just like oh shit. I hope this works And I don't even remember what you said of like And your card was an ace, right? And she said yes and all four cards were aces I don't know if that was the question but all four cards were I think yes, that was that was yeah all four cards on top of the on top of the four piles were aces And I think I said to her oh god. I hope this works and it did work And it was uh, it was like one of my it was it was one of my coolest Maybe my only cool moment wigs. It was a very uh, it was it was like the perfect timing that she had asked me to do it

And then and then I it's that sort of thing in like in 19 in like the 1930s Yes, if you were in hollywood and you impressed a starlet with a with a magic trick you get a star on the walk of fame You know this is that was like a That's how easy it was back in the day But the pressure was on it was like, you know, you go past the basketball court and somebody's playing it like damn All these other people are starting gathering around Look how he's shooting and so everyone's gathering around and the pressure was on and it was like fucking

You know fucking uh bobby fisher as a magician I think I think I think that I think that I was shaking the entire way home because of my nerves But I remember it's like do it again. No, I don't think I can do that again I'll do that again And it was so cool You did say you were like oh the setup of you being afraid the entire time is like a good part of it Which I was I was truly afraid but that was that was a great moment But to get on to

Not as great so how did how did you did she you just happened to be holding the cards and she Were you already in a conversation or did this kind of happen out of nowhere? Look a lot of times you set up a deck if you have a magic trick you have to set up the deck in some way I didn't know you knew any magic by the way. Oh, yeah I loved magic and nathan was doing tricks and nathan was doing tricks and he had left so everyone was kind of like Oh, it's over and so like I like just quietly had looked at the deck and like set up the trick And then she just non shallantly was like you got to know some tricks, right? And I was like well, I just set this one up as I said, yeah, I know one and so I did it and it just worked out perfectly

It was real it was really cool I was I felt so great that I got to see it, but your face was just it won my heart It was you were so excited I'm very excited that someone was there to witness my only my only cool moment Uh, and then I went home and tested positive for kovat. It was great. Uh I I know I did I never did I never got it. Uh, I was I was I was I was I was I was safe but I'll take you to a not as cool moment was

My going to the south shore plaza and getting four sandwiches from charlie's philly cheesesteaks I got I got the charlie I got the philly cheesesteak like I said with the slice of pickle on there I got that small which is six inch the smalls are actually pretty adequate in size the the the six inches Uh, and then nine inches for medium and then 12 inches for the for the larges. Um, and uh, six inches is adequate Wigs and then I got a Sorry, I fell like you're a wink at me. I mean, I know six inches. Yeah

Uh, it was perfect. Uh, we also we have to discuss uh, Derek brought up, uh us selling dough boys branded slide whistles that's right or Donut salad which would which would listeners want some want more and the thing about the whistle and I'm happy to respond to this You have your favorite dough boy Yes, lick it. So there's saliva on it's very cold and friendly your favorite It's officially licked by all the dough boys

I mean, I can't believe we bought 10 000 koalas slide whistles These are two bucks a party you would say best gift you'll ever get anyway So six ounces I I six six inches the six I got the six I got six inches all around I got I got three six sandwiches I got the filly cheese steak with the with the pickle slice on it. I got the pepperoni cheese steak and I just got that as is uh, and then I and then I got the uh, this turkey the turkey cheddar melt Which I got with lettuce tomato and and mayonnaise

This is one that I got mayonnaise on and then my only 12 inch sandwich I got a big boy of the chicken buffalo sandwich Which I got with lettuce tomato And there's onion in there and there's like pepper chinis mixed into it Uh, and I think there might be jalapenos in there, but there's definitely there's definitely Okay, so chicken grilled onions banana peppers provolone and buffalo sauce and then I also got to lettuce tomato and ranch on that one um

so To go over my cheese steaks you guys didn't like your cheese steaks might actually taste all right that filly Cheese steak has steak grilled onions green peppers mushrooms and provolone. I thought the veggies were cooked really pretty well They they they weren't I don't like to get a uh a cheese steak where the vegetables are still crunchy if that makes sense I want them to be cooked through to be kind of softer. I don't know how About that. I don't know if people like them to be crunchy, but but I thought all the vegetables were cooked through well I thought the pepperoni cheese steak was something that I've never even thought to try and I thought that it had a nice taste to it My mom had a bite of that she enjoyed it too. I think the the loser and maybe more so because of the toppings was the uh

the turkey cheddar melt it just was like You know, I I guess I appreciate that there's options here. It just was kind of strange, but this whole place Is strange. It's a very it's such as it's it's it's it is it's a really right it really is a weird Chain it's it's like it's only in malls is a weird thing it's like I've never seen a commercial for it ever. Have you ever have I've never seen charlie's I've never seen a char you have no I haven't I I it is kind of like it's it's a it's it's like orange julius Except they serve cheese steaks. It's like you'll see it only in mall food courts

Yeah, you don't see it advertised anywhere and then somehow there's always a line like people are people are always crowding around this place That my my my bite of the night maybe would have been that philly cheesesteak I liked I liked the chicken buffalo, but then I was like I wish I didn't get this As my as my 12 inch here. I wish it was either the just the regular cheesesteak or the pepperoni cheesesteak But why is my my bite of the the my bite of the night the big one was was the fries I'm with I'm with Derek that the fries were great fries were surprisingly Really good and I got I believe what they're called the the the ultimate fries they are the ultimate fries

Which I couldn't even find out what's in them on the website Which is just again as a part of this chain There's some stuff on the website that tells you what's in it and then there's other stuff you click on and it just doesn't tell you What's in there, but I believe it's cheese ranch bacon I think that that's what's in the ultimate fries But I have no idea because when you click on it on the website It is just one of the things that tells you nothing. There's nothing there. No info There's just a picture of this this potato mess

I did get though What's weird Mitch is that if you click on the jalapeno pepper fries that does tell you exactly the ingredients Which I'm guessing they just add Peppers to it like jalapeno in the in the lime seasoning So my guess is that it's cheddar cheese sauce bacon ranch and shredded cheddar is the ultimate fries and It was crazy the guy because they come in a little box and the guy said can I put this in your sandwich box? I said a short thing and I was like there's no way these things stay crispy

I got home and they were still pretty crispy and that's you know It was 20 minutes until I got back and they were still pretty crispy They tasted good. I was I was I was truly shocked and I also got myself a large strawberry lemonade and Derek. I agree Strawberry lemonade was good. It's just they have just a lemonade fountain one of those uh those dripping fountains You know the the bubbling dripping fountain. Yeah, you get what I'm talking about Yeah, did you drink all of yours though because there's a weird thing that there's a weird ending There is a weird ending. So they they basically They basically it is there's an unhappy ending with the with the charlie's uh

That sounds like that sounds weird too. It sounds like you don't yeah, I mean it there. It is unhappy that you don't come You'll eat it It is it's an unhappy ending with charlie's maybe all around I don't know if anyone if anyone's having happy endings with charlie's but The end of the of the lemonade if you get the strawberry lemonade they put in kind of the scoops of the strawberry Preserves or whatever. Yeah, there's like a puree at the bottom a puree at the bottom And it's also because I was doing out of the straws like yeah Mine mine was warm mine was warmer than the lemonade. That was the thing like I put my straw down

I was like, oh this is and so I so I did the thing where I put the straw on the bottom and I and I Blue bubbles and it kind of mixed it all together and and it kind of made a better It was better that way, but I would pay so much fucking money to see that now. Was that with your aluminum straw? Derek also saw my my aluminum straw that I my aluminum straw is actually I have my mom gave me an aluminum straw like two Christmases ago and I try to use it instead of Instead of stars it can they can get gross is the only issue is when you're using this Yeah, but I'm not at the renaissance fair. Come on Yeah, no this one I did I did use the straw that was at charlie's which is oddly too short of a straw here

It is pushed all the way in and you can see that that is how much this is like, uh Why's go ahead make some sort of joke you want to make No, I there's not enough straw for the cup. No, you were there I'm not gonna make no. I'm not gonna make some sort of of hacky small penis joke. Yeah, okay No, I'm not going to do that. I'm not gonna go there. We're above that on this podcast. Okay It's just barely poking out of the top of the cup. Yeah, uh likes

Like mitch and a urinal, okay? Mitch you I am happy But uh, but I thought I thought the lemonade was good too. I had an overall Okay experience with charlie's I wasn't blown away But I want to hear more about your experiences Uh, should we go? Should we go derrick or wise you want to go and they'll go back to derrick again

Go ahead derrick tell us you you didn't have a great experience. Tell us what what happened with you. Well, uh, one Yeah, not a great experience. Um Uh, the fries, you know were definitely the highlight and if I were to go back Um for a different podcast um I would uh I would bring my old bay with me because I think some old bay interesting on those those are the right kind of fries that are really good, uh with old bay and

And it sounds lazy, but I would put old bay in my uh cheese steak now I I do have to come clean to The dough boys and our listeners here is that I am someone that suffers From um being lactose intolerant. So there's another thing of when I take the risk It should be worth it. Do you know what I mean? Right? Yeah, and yeah, I take the lactate pill But you know it helps, you know 75 percent of it. So it's like if I'm gonna have the cheese It's got to be you know The the right kind of cheese. So I was just kind of felt like

Uh, this would be good if you know, um This was a a snack at a zoo um, but Ha But But yeah, the fries and you know, I also to people that are like, well, you haven't tried the jalapeños I can't have anything hot. So I had no jalapeños Um, and I ate all of it, you know, some people that go like

Oh, it was so awful. I couldn't no I still ate it. So it's not like I want to give it a f Do you know what I mean? Right? I think like because of The the cheese factor that I had to be good and because I really like good like dough like dough Not bread dough. I want to like feel that dough and there wasn't it was crunchy It's like when people want their subway things toasted. I don't understand that and this It felt like it was un-purposely toasted like the firehouse, uh subs right, but those I think are purposely. Um Yeah, yeah, um, I actually I do think that bread is maybe even better at firehouse But they are similar and kind of the soft

Fun style. Derek, you're no longer you're no longer a heat. No no more heat. You're you're done with spicy stuff Look, I love spicy stuff. It just doesn't love me, but I love I love hot stuff It just it upsets my stomach and uh Yeah, I'm trying to save time in my life to be you know outside Than inside But you know, so I got the Philly cheesesteak if your name is charlie's philly steaks I'm not going to try the chicken No offense for you trying the chicken, but I thought that you know, I hope I did my

assignment right I was just like I'm going to try the philly steak. No, I think that that's the thing to get there It's funny because even when you were there the the first thing that is on the menu weirdly I think at least at mine the the the chicken cheesesteaks were listed first And I don't know if this is and and like this must be like a thing where why as we talked about this before but A cheesesteak restaurant, you know when you're catering to people for lunch every day I think that it's the same thing that that jersey mics does too is a non red meat option Probably if you're you know, if you're gonna grab something for lunch people are gonna go non And I think I think a chicken cheesesteak is a nice move. You can't tell too much of a difference

I think it tastes pretty good. I mean, obviously you can taste the difference. It's steak versus chicken Yeah, but it's it has it's has the same vibe as it as a cheesesteak It might also just be higher be a higher margin item like chicken's probably just super than steak And so they want to pitch it first But but yeah, I I Derek I think you went the right way like with with getting that philly cheesesteak It feels like that's like hey, that's their thing. That's in their name. So why not? Yeah Although I do remember del taco had a great burger. I mean, I just remember Fantastic burning any money and being like, I don't know. I would do the 69 cent bean and cheese burrito

Even with lactose doing your poor. You don't give a fuck and Uh, and that burger was great. So sometimes there's a surprise When a place that it's known for one thing, but this it just felt like I'm not gonna do a chicken cheesesteak Uh, but when you said that I was like you hit the nail right on the head because this feels like the perfect Guys, we're going to charlie's put down what you want. Okay, we're for work We're going to charlie's like it feels like a a communal like organization That this is perfect for work. Uh, great for uh, lunchtime in corporate america

Which I think if you are just a straight up cheesesteak place, it's hard to You're gonna get people upset. They don't want to and and and yikes Speaking of which I have no idea what the hell you did. I know that there is some sort of veggie sandwich But it seems pretty dire Yes, so this was a you know in in the year of our lord 2021 no meat shall I eat? I've been vegetarian all year. Um, and I went to the westfield culver city location the former fox hill malls Uh, I ordered on the app and picked it up I'll say that the app is not crap. It's fine to use but really the issue we ran the issue we ran into is

Yeah, I was surprised. I would have thought this place would have had no like not even a functional app of that My app is pretty pretty uh, fully realized that's that's wild to me because The website is like non-functional So the website isn't great, but the app is pretty good and maybe that again goes back to what you were saying about them being Work orders of just like like hey, we're gonna get a bunch of where someone can just Like order all their their their six charlie's orders in advance. Although you think that would be Fully functional website as well. Anyway, uh, the app is fine to use but the but every substitution slash Alteration that we made through the app was not like

Included in the order. They were all just just you know, I think they just don't have a great system for conveying that information to the kitchen from the app However, it works So we got a pepperoni cheese steak. Uh, that was for natalie. Uh, she added mushrooms, which were not on there Um, this is steak pepperoni grilled onions grilled peppers and provolone So just the standard cheese cheese steak with pepperoni. She liked this So mitch, I think maybe you and natalie had similar experiences with your sandwiches Like I thought she thought this was pretty good

And uh, I definitely said like this is definitely like above subway. This is definitely like a better subway Which is I think absolutely true. Uh, I got the veggie delight Which is grilled mushrooms onions green peppers provolone swiss and shredded cheddar So three types of cheese on there along with the with the hot veggies and then also this is On top of lettuce and tomato Now we're already on the app and then I took it back home And I will say that all of their to-go packaging you talk you touch on this mitch is really really good Like it all is like they're they're they're they're good boxes for the sandwiches. Um, the the fries

Yeah retained heat and did not get soggy It feels bulky like maybe it's not I mean a little bulky But I don't know they're not a lot of plastic stuff beside the cup. So I don't know how yeah awful it is for the environment But yeah, yeah, mine seemed to be all all cardboard. Uh the This veggie delight was was not a delight. Unfortunately. It was it was it was ooey gooey Uh soft and chewy but utterly flavorless Just like it was just a big ball of nothing and it was it was so Uh, but weirdly but weirdly you did have a happy ending once you finished

Um, it it just like I And the vegetables like needed to be seasoned or something It just it just needed something maybe the old bay is the maybe dumped up dumped a bunch of old bay on these veggies I don't know something to to wake these up because it was just like hot and wet and Substantless subsist list and I I got the small and I couldn't even finish it because I thought it was just kind of gross to eat Unfortunately, where did the wetness come from? Just all the vegetables on there It just had so many so many components and then also lettuce and tomato that it was sitting on top of so that got all that

Just kind of wilted and and got really moist. It was just well pretty I'm thinking of this I was at the Patriots game and I got myself an Italian sausage and At one point like I had sucked out the salt, you know when he's like, uh, you accidentally suck out the sausage Not the whole not out of the whole sandwich like towards the end Not not at the start of the sandwich Just sounds like that's what you did

I didn't suck it. I didn't suck the sausage out from the beginning. It was just at the very end It's just a bite it right not suck it I just at the very end there was a little piece and I like sucked the last little piece out but uh When you when that happens, I think people can relate to this and the one that's just peppers onions On the roll. It's kind of like a mushy It's a little bit of like it's just it's mushy at that point. You're eating mushy vegetables. Yes. Yeah, very mushy

Which I complimented the place for cooking the vegetables through But with the veggie delight it seems like that wouldn't work at all like like now you're just now that Especially with the way that sub roll is like there's no substance to that sandwich. It's just it's just a soft mess Yeah, I really didn't I really didn't like it. I did like the fries quite a bit. We touched on it The fries are if you don't if you haven't had charlie's they're kind of like a They're they're like a standard cut fries, but they're they're maybe just like a little thicker not quite a steak fry though But I thought I thought they were great. They're a great texture to them great crunch I like I really like them. I ate them. I ate them all and I would have liked to have tried the jalapeno pepper fries

But they come with bacon by default And we specified no bacon on the app and again, like I said all my all the substitutions were Not realized so unfortunately I was not able to try those But they they did look pretty good But the the plain fries I I think are probably what I'd get anyway because they're they're just there's really high quality fries I got the peach lemonade had the similar sort of mash at the bottom Um, and uh, which maybe you're just not supposed to drink Maybe it's just sort of like like the tannins that are left over and wine

You're just supposed to sort of like let it sit there after you're like, I don't know what its purpose is exactly. I don't know No, I didn't know that with wine. You can't drink the tannins You can but if it's got you got like a bunch of sometimes you'll get one It's got like a bunch of that uh, let like grit at the bottom. You know, it's not that for more than a day. Yeah Yeah, it like feels like I don't know this strawberry did not taste the here's like the lemonade. Oh No, I'm fucking bag of sonic burger. This is great. Uh, let me uh straw What are the they had lemonade lemonade? I forget what they called it But strawberry lemonade was great

Limate is what they called it. But then I don't want it when I want a strawberry lemonade It's like, you know, I hate to go back to it again But donut salad. It's like you're not actually having a lemonade You're not having a lemon and strawberry. It's just a great combination. I don't want an actual strawberry. It was disgusting It like I don't know. I guess anything going down your throat that you don't know is coming is disgusting Yeah, for sure like a whole italian sausage Yeah, well, yeah, as long as if you suck it. Yeah Suck that italian sausage

Tons to happen I got a question for you uh Biff Tannins wine tannins. Why are tannins always causing problems? That's a great point Wait, is it a question or is it a point? I can't tell I think I mean, I think it was phrased as a question

But I think it's kind of more of a point. We can just I know I got a question for you. Yeah Biff tannins wine tannins. Why are tannins always causing problems? Bitch, I don't know. I wish I could tell you wish I had the answer to that. They're either uh, yeah, they're either Causing problems or cleaning up everything denny tanner Wine tanners wine tanners Tanners Yeah, yeah, keep going tanners

Uh, that's a tanning family that lives down the street from me Um, best use of a hologram to your listeners. This is the this was a gift to me Wow And so when you move it it does what is in the movie. It's this is a picture of uh Marty McFly and his sister brother and sister reappearing Very that is that I mean how bad feel bad for those actors Yeah, it's like Eric Stoltz is like, yeah, everyone knows you did it, but like these guys are in it but for what

He's like, oh, anyway, sorry. I could go on about that television show back to the future forever Derek it was was that was that was that from the same? Did that come from the slide whistle? Uh Comedy trunk that you were talking about I want to know That and this That's the train on the sun to go You you you frightened weigher because his his great great grandfather was he walked in front of a train

To kill him because it's the truth. He was he slowly walked in front of a train And now he loves trains. Yeah. Well, I'm so sorry about that name Well, yeah, we were kind of controlling it. Is that you love to ride them now weig's right now. I'm the master Um, no, yeah, we weren't particularly close me and my great great grandfather. So it's uh, you know, it's fine but he did He did yeah, he did like he was so There's like a like like his obituary my uncle found it and sent it to us and it was like I I read it verbatim on the show once but it was basically he was so riled up after a political rally

Or so despondent rather after a political rally and it was hard to tell what it Infer what his politics might have been from this from the context And then he uh, he was so he's at the train station And as a crowd of onlookers shouted no He stepped in front of the train and was slowly run over and like died in front of like 50 people Just like a horrifying suicide But do you say no if it was suicide? Sorry, I have to play my dateline detective skills here Great question. I think people were saying no in like kind of like a don't do it sort of thing

Yeah, they were all saying no no not him. I apologize the the crowd of onlookers the 50 odd people Were we're imploring him to not take his own life. Don't let us watch the moving train I can't I can't wait for the day when I say like great great grandfather like great great grandson Well, we should get to our final thoughts on charlie's filly stakes So we'll each go around we'll give a closing argument if you will On this chain and end it by giving a score from zero to five forks Uh, so uh, so that's our that's our range zero forks to five forks. Derek. You are our guest

We'll begin with you I give it two forks two forks We really have if you you know If you and only thing about forks And you have two of them. That's that's all you can really have So it's not I'm not ripping on charlie. It's actually a compliment site. Yeah, you got two hands. You got two forks no offense to no hands

um, but if you If you are in a dire situation And you need some sort of food inside of you charlie's is not a bad idea But if you're going there to impress your stomach or your taste buds um It's asked for the fries and the strawberry lemonade

Coming at you. Uh, so yes two forks and um, but I'm not opposed to uh, looking beyond the menu of what I had Maybe it was a bad day. We all know I remember you guys told a story of a bad wendy's experience That might have been someone's first time at wendy's Yeah, sometimes you have to give places another chance. I just don't know What the urge is if you have fillies in your name I'm going to go to a place that I have had filly steak that I love So thanks for trying charlie Very fair two forks from derck waters. Go ahead mitch

I don't want to be influenced by your guys thoughts on it But it's kind of hard for me not to be a little bit because this is a first experience for all of us So with you know, like uh And so few people I feel like know of this place. I wonder if there are diehard charlie's people's out there People out there. I'm sure that there are um But like I was saying like stuff felt it felt like uh a little off and in in hearing why is that you're saying that that uh This originate it's it's it's it's what they didn't originate in south korea, right? The the the owners is from south korea

The founders of the korean american Immigrant who came here it as a teenager went to school at ohio state university and Experienced cheesesteak for the first time on a trip to philadelphia. So like not someone who's from philadelphia grew up with it He like had it as a you know as a teenager was like, oh, this is good Like I like I was saying if this this was my thoughts before I knew anything about it It was like Go like being in germany or something and going to like the american burger bar and being like this tastes pretty good to me But it just there's some there's stuff that seems slightly off about it

Which to me was like the lettuce and tomato on there and the offering of mayo on the Cheesesteak, which I know I think that there's people will get mad and be like I get mayo on my steak and cheese And I don't care. I don't do it, but that's fine, but the lettuce and tomato specifically I was like I don't that's a strange steak and cheese addition to me sure I'm so specifically a salt and pepper guy on my steak and cheese, but That would have been nice it uh, it's uh Did you not get any salt and pepper? No, I was gonna say that's what that's what my veggies were missing salt and pepper would have been

Nice to have some seasoning It's it's it's hard for me to give this a good score too though Because the thing that I wanted to the thing that I thought would be really good was that buffalo chicken cheesesteak And I've had that from jersey mikes and it's a much better version of it on much better bread You know and that and jersey mikes to me is in the four four plus club. It's it's it's it's in there You and I both like all I love jersey bikes. Yeah, and and this is no jersey mikes Um, but for a mall, you know for this seems largely like a mall You know a mall food court

type of spot and Yes, it's not bad if you're in the mood for it But but also it's not it's definitely not great um And and when I was when I was when I was thinking about I was thinking like three and a half Forks, which is such a boring score It's just it's it's just like a boring but I think it's like three and a quarter forks or maybe more like a three

I think that you guys are kind of uh, but but the food didn't taste it didn't taste bad So I want to be nicer to it, but I just think it's What is I don't even I don't even You know like uh, like I thought that charlie's was maybe like an authentic philly cheese like someone like from philadelphia Like uh, you know like I thought that this was like this is like philadelphia cheese steaks Which it maybe is and I think the fact that there just is a flat top grill And they're making on that wins so much points, but that just shows how bad that But that just shows like shouldn't all sub shops have a flat top grill like

Subway should lose points for not having a flat top grill. It's like the least you could do is like, oh we Like the meat isn't microwaved or whatever like that. Yes, right the most normal shit on earth and instead I'm giving it points because there's a flat top grill and it's getting cooked But that being said they tasted good enough. I I'll go three and a quarter forks, but it's just a strange a strange place Uh, three and a quarter forks from the strange Weird place I'm gonna go back to something to to story derrick talked told earlier Uh involving his girlfriend at the time going to in and out burger for the burger

and McDonald's for the fries And in context of where charlie's are located I might get like some orange chicken from panda express And some fries from charlie's like why not like I like I might not get go to charlie's for my main But their fries are good and their lemonade is good and that counts for a lot because a lot of places would have You know a lot of places they would have just had chips, but they actually have good fries here And that goes a long way for me and they moved they moved fast. Why is I do truly wonder what you would

Think about the cheese thing. I I agree with derrick that it's not great But I do kind of want to see you try it in the if I mean if you ever go back to meet Well, well natalie liked hers, you know, I didn't didn't love it, but thought it was it was decent Um and decent to good and you know, I I don't know I mean I I feel like I'm gonna be in the same ballpark with you mitch of just like this place is in food courts It's doing what it's trying to do despite my vet my own veggie option being pretty Subpar it's doing what it's trying to do pretty capably And I think the threshold for you know competence in the in the in fork scores is three forks

And I think that's right where this place is I think this is a three fork chain that you know what if if the work was ordering charlie's I might have been in trouble as a vegetarian, but if I wasn't I think I'd be like sure I could do charlie's Yeah, I think that's that that's the level I'm at All right fair enough Well Look it's just it's charlie's. Yeah, it's just okay. You know, I don't really know what the fuck are we supposed to do Like I don't want to hate I don't like hating on anything

Especially some place that's like Hey, I had this dream as a kid, you know, I didn't mean to say spoiled. I meant it as in like You said like his mom gave him money, but you know, he probably did not have a great life And he's making something out of it and he's making people happy So I never like to rip on Somebody that's you know being proactive with their life, but I just don't think the meat is very good I mean, yeah Fair enough

I think I think if you go if you go if you go to if you go to philly to get a cheese steak This would be the worst one you this yeah, this wouldn't be called a philly. They would say get out of here I really wonder yeah, I fully agree and I really wonder if they even have any locations in philadelphia. I would guess no Well, I mean just even options for like for cheese steaks and fillies like the provolone or with whiz and all that I mean, that's the thing that was confusing to me is it didn't seem like an authentic Philly cheese steak place, but then also When you say it was a guy who had a philly cheese steak and enjoyed it And yeah, that that's why it feels a little I know offense to him

But from an outsider's perspective looking in feels like a poser just like what's with all this line out here? Wow, this is interesting. Well, something's popular I'm going to go take credit for it because like I also think that it's beautiful like if there was a place in You know, I don't want anyone to know where my age sex location is but if someone was out in Tarzana if someone had a place in Tarzana that was like Maryland crab cakes genuine Maryland crab and I went there and it was great. It's like wow this This person this this place is allowing me to feel like I'm back home with the actual food. This is shit

This is reminding me when I used to work at an aquarium, you know, like plain fish dead There's no nostalgia and all your shows we talk about like the joy of the joy of these places that And I think we have to remember that that there's a little boy and a little girl right now That are growing up on charlie's and this might be good to them. That doesn't mean that it's not good food It might just do that thing that um, our our favorites do to us maybe You know, by the way, your story of the person seeing the line outside I think that's what happened with me and weigur with podcasting. We walked by a

Hmm, it's this line for yeah comedy bang life. Okay. All right Well, I applaud you guys, you know, what's great I'm gonna say this really quick is that we're not talking about and I'm not comparing to anything But I'm just saying like this is such a great topic that everyone loves talking about new guys I could listen to you guys talk forever And it's just fun doing this where you're not talking about the world that we live in right now It's just it's it's great. And I'm just thankful that you guys thought of me and I appreciate you Oh, man. Well, we're we're we're a nice thing to have you on the show way over do

We uh, there's there's so many funny people that we haven't had on and and you're someone that that we should have had on a long Time ago because we we think you're great. So and I love eating and I love these chains and uh, I would Be honored to come back Hell, yeah Wow Well, uh, wait, it sounds like Oh, no, I was just saying you can cut that out. I was just letting you guys know. Oh, no. Yeah, I was that was that's We're gonna leave in you saying nice things about us

Well And also when he said when he's when he said that he sounds like you're trying to leave he was talking to me Which he was right about I am trying to yes, you've been working on exit strategy for five years Um, that was our review of charlie's No, we'll be back with more dough boys Mitch when someone is just exceptionally good at what they do could be a waiter a chef a doctor A podcaster a podcaster, you know, you're in good hands It's like seeing a

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Welcome back to dough boys. We're here with our guest derrick waters and it's time for a segment I've got a food related exam and mitch and derrick must compete for superiority. It's another edition of slop quiz and mitch This theme via our associate producer the drop king robert persinger is drink history We've got a list of quotes about alcohol from various historical figures So I will I will give you a clue. I will read the quote And buzz in with your name to guess the historical figure Our guest didn't shut his laptop. So drink history was

Was just fine enough We were saying that's that's an embarrassing quiz name, but you're you're you're you're good with it. So I but uh But derrick we you told the story before and I want you to just kind of tell it again because it was good Oh, you told us the story over break You were on a you were in a wendy's commercial, which first of all Yeah, oh, thank you. Yes. I'm gonna not to date myself. I would say that was probably 2004 or five And it was a four alarm chicken sandwich Great spot great spot ran for a little bit. I can't remember what I did what I did in it

Besides enjoying this four alarm chicken sandwich um and When we were filming it the director asked, you know, when you're doing a fest for any commercial that involves food or any Filming with food the actor actress spits out the food Right in between takes so they just don't keep swallowing food So I was doing I was spitting it out and I guess I was a little loud

And uh, the director said, you know, the client is right behind here as in the the wendy's people and uh It sounds like you're not enjoying The burger or the sandwich. Uh, can you just not be as loud when you're spitting into the spit bucket? Oh, sure Um, and as I said, you know, I I am I'll I was born as smart as I'll die smart But I'm not as much as I used to be but this time I really I was and I remember. Oh, yeah, no problem, sir And then he goes away and the next take I I eat it and uh, and then I spit it out, but I go This tastes awesome

I love this Oh man, yeah, I love that I also I think sadly I probably would we're both we're both wendy's fans and like you were just saying you are as well But uh, when you have to do it over and over again, you gotta eat I mean you'd have to eat like probably 12 sandwiches at least it's that's it's another great combination uh wendy's frosty McDonald's fries

Wow, that sounds that's fun. This is a little tip after I got wisdom teased out or anything with my mouth my grandma Would always take me there Another fun fact with chains if you ever want to have this guy back um When my grandmother did not get hit by a train, sorry, that's too soon, but when my grandmother passed away um, we found this uh Huge box of all these things that after my grandfather had passed I guess it was her kind of escapism

And she saved all her mcdonald's toys They're like still in wrapper like space jam when it first came out like all those toys And I mean you want to talk about nostalgia But it's just kind of cool because I would always go with her and get stuff But I had no idea she was saving all that stuff, but some of those could go for a pretty penny We we this is this is a little bit of what we talked about we you and I related quite a bit on on our moms and and going to We were saying that the fact that When I look back on mcdonald's toys, and I'm like I think I had each one of these toys

So does that mean that I was going to mcdonald's like every week? And I think that maybe you just as a kid maybe I just was especially at the time you were just You know once a week that was maybe a month was when they would like Aladdin is coming out So let's do sure Aladdin character first and jasmine and then maybe they worked backwards But I just feel like there was so much more fast food eating than I ever thought there You know what I mean like I think I did I think it was on a weekly basis maybe when I was a kid Which probably wasn't good, but no and but we never we didn't know what fast food was we just knew it as mcdonald's when I was just home My

niece was playing with my old fisher price things And there was a actual like you have the fisher price like barn fisher price house There was a fisher price mcdonald's and I was like man Capitalism like you know like yeah, just give you you know It's the pirates of the caribbean gifts outside of the pirates of the caribbean ride You know, it's like right. Can we play mcdonald's? Of course. Do you want to go to mcdonald's? Oh, yeah, okay This is the life i'm gonna live for the rest of my life

That just makes me it just makes me sad. You know what I mean? I it makes me sad, but also I also am nostalgic for it and do I had a birthday in mcdonald's I do I do and I think I had like mcdonald's play toys too. I'm sure that I did Um, but but but so but I but I agree with you that there is some sadness, especially in 2021 when you see what the world has become and Yeah, I mean a lot of american culture is just like brands and brand loyalty, right? It's just like even if our pop culture is like you have a loyalty to a brand It's like I like the marvel cinematic universe, you know, that's just like it's it's you you you oftentimes have more fandom and

An allegiance to a brand than to an individual Like that's just that just feels like that's and I don't know how global that is but it's definitely a big thing in america Well, I hate to act like I know anything more But there's one interesting fact that I know that I was curious if you guys knew this You know the combination of red and yellow makes the brain hungry That's the studies is the combination of those two colors So you think of mcdonald's you think of wendy's Like butter king is kind of doing it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah

Um, why is that it's the color of pizza basically in many ways Yeah, I mean it's also the color of yellow you're told not to put that in a baby's room because yellow makes you cry but I mean Uh colors are different to everyone. I just think the red and yellow one is really interesting that that you know Who does that study that figures it out? But when you think of mcdonald's You get hungry and then there is that color combination that you think about I love I have old commercials and I have a whole dvd of just the 80s commercials of like different genres

And there's one of just mcdonald's and those commercials are So amazing. Oh, sorry. I have to tell the story really quick at mcdonald's. So when I was a kid My grandfather was my hero and this is the first time I ever knew what uncomfortable felt like is we went to mcdonald's and the lady Taking our order Had red hair And i'm probably like six or seven. I remember this clear's day and my grandfather Asked her if she was ronald mcdonald's sister

I I like it went out even a joke. I was like, I think he was like curious, but it's like, oh my god. Why would you do that? Okay, why would you ask me? I'm poor girl, man Did you guys like I think i'm older than you guys Did you do the play like I was too old for the playground the play place I did the I did the play place. I was in the ball pit But then the ball pits turned so much into like

Well now that I think about it now like people are like, oh, they're filled with like piss and shit Which when I was little when I was little going in there I never thought about that like I feel like if I caught it if you saw a kid doing that You're like, what the fuck and you get out of there, but as when those ball pits were new I I definitely was probably right towards the end I was able to use them a little bit But it was it was towards the end of when the play places were coming around and then I've just seen them decay Over the last

To what like not even really changed too much since they were introduced I don't think they're gonna survive Why is he still playing ball pits occasionally, correct? Okay, I've been actually only been in a ball pit one time and that was at a chucky cheese birthday party And uh, but because if my mom was around my mom's a nurse And so she like it was just like very like she was keenly aware of how unhygienic those ball pits were So she was like she didn't want me messing around in there But yeah, sometimes you can go on the slide or whatever you can mess around a little in that play place

Like your great-great-great grandfather died from the train. They're gonna fish you out of a ball pit someday likes Every hole was filled with balls God All right, let's get this slop. Let's do the slop quiz is Drink history edition. These are quotes about alcohol from various historical figures Buzz in with your name My name or you say the name I'd say say your own name to to so that I will know who to who to call on. Yeah, okay

Uh, all right, here's the first the first, uh, here's the first clue Which founding father whose portrait is on money said the following? Quote in wine there is wisdom in beer. There is freedom and in water Derek Ben Franklin Correct. This is Benjamin Franklin Sounds like one point for Derek. Let's see. I thought you were gonna trick me because it's like, well, I know he's gonna be talking about beer but maybe, you know I'm glad that these are factual. Great. No, these are real ones and was I supposed to let you finish? Sorry

No, no, that's that's that's the game. I'm gonna say this is fine. Yeah, okay. I think buzz in whenever the end of that quote is And in water there is bacteria So and Derek, I'm just gonna say this. I'm just gonna say this up front. I know shitting on water, which I know you don't like Derek um I'm gonna just say this, uh, just from the first question alone. It seems like you're probably gonna kick my ass in this quiz so Uh, well, we'll see as we continue Derek has won mitch is not on the board next question next quote loser has to eat at charlie's Sorry

Again Which legendary fashion designer with a chocolatey name Said this Quote I only drink champagne on two occasions mitch when I am in love mitch Coco Chanel You are correct. It is coco Chanel. Wow The chocolate got third one very impressed Which 20th century american novelist and husband of the namesake of a nintendo franchise

Said this quote First you take a drink Then the drink takes a drink then the drink takes you uh Derek Chumba wamba It is not chumba wamba Good guess though. Why can you say can you say the question one more time? Which 20th century american novelist and husband of the namesake of a nintendo franchise said this

Quote first you take a drink then the drink takes a drink then the drink takes you Hmm Husband of a game franchise. That's where my head is at um mitch yes uh diddy kong It's not diddy kong both good guesses

Uh, the answer is f scott fits jerald. Oh husband of zelda fits jerald. Yes. Whoa Zelda fits jerald. That's a good one the legend of zelda is named for her Uh, next up which burley white bearded 20th century american novelist said this quote an intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with fools mitch Hemingway Mitch you are correct. Wow Taking the lead you get kind of a young hemmingway vibe. I like hemmingway. I'm a fan. That's my mom's favorite You're like a like a like a less virile hemmingway

I'm like old old's later hemmingway when he just had the cats and That's right. Yeah, that's right. Well, I wasn't picturing you but I I saw that in key west pretty cool It is cool. The cat house is cool. That's right All right, it's a mitch has to Derek has won Next quote which literary figure and female member of the algonquin round table said this Quote I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy great quote Say it again would you

Which literary figure and female member of the algonquin round table said this quote I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy This this this should be like literary history instead of drank history. Yeah, there's a few literary ones in here Look, this is the list the drop king sent me. He's may maybe he's a little He has a fucking bookworm. All right. What do you want for me? Mitch Yes Dixie Kong

It's not Dixie Kong Good guess Derek want to take a crack at it? I don't know. This is a this is a tough one. This is dorthy parker said this Dorothy parker Later a screen right row co-wrote the original A star is born. Oh later later blacklisted as a communist I love got what she deserved really cooper Lady gaga. I haven't seen that

I heard the ending is great Yeah, I heard this. I never I never watched it all the way through Natalie loves it. I heard it's great Um next up. I think he steps in front of a train Let's say, yeah Oh a star is born. I get it now. He's not now he's dead Okay, cool All right few left This uh, this one is not about an author

Which legendary cigar chewing comedian said this Quote it takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is I can't remember if it's the 13th or the 14th Derek Go ahead. George burns. You are correct. This is burnzy. George burns not it up at two apiece two questions left next up Which alfred actor said this quote the best research for playing a drunk is being a british actor for 20 years Oh, fuck. I can't remember his name. God damn it I can't remember his name the best what say one more time

Which alfred actor said this quote the best research for playing a drunk is being a british actor for 20 years I can't remember his damn name What's he from? I'll help you He's it's it's it's the it's I think that it's the most Recent alfred the the dark knight alfred's um But maybe i'm wrong too, but I think it is the dark knight alfred's Uh, name some names some other credits of who you think it is

Uh He's in the dark knight. He's in uh, batman begins Okay, maybe away from the batman fresh. Is it a jet? Is it a jeffrey? Is it a jeffrey? Is it j? Does it start with a j? Oh, oh, I know who you're thinking of. He's from pirates and I can't think of his last name Is that who you're thinking of jeffrey? Uh, oh my gosh. Is it jeffrey? Can we get a jeffrey? Um It is not a jeffrey. It is not a jeffrey. It's not jeffrey russia. I think as you're thinking of Is it a j name?

No, and it's not rush. It's not jeffrey rush. Shit. I don't know. Jeremy irons It's not jeremy irons. It's a good guess though Jeremy irons who I maybe thought it was but does that is he not the one in batman begins? Jeremy irons is in the most recent batman movies. Uh, the the justice league's justice league. Yes. Yeah, and the um And uh, batman v superman. I think it's from the nolan. It's the nolan. It's the nolan alfred You are correct. It is the nolan alfred. Who is what the fuck's his name? I remember seeing him play a drunk I mean that I hate to say it, but that's where my brain went. Yeah, I don't know great and mr. Destiny

One, uh, I hate it jimbolushi, but mr. Destiny very underrated great film to to over here To to all right this final question will decide if one of you wins outright or this ends in a tie You each have two points. Yes. I was thinking of I just got to be clear. I was thinking of Snyder the Snyder batman's alfreds and I was because I was not thinking of michael kane I fucked up That I thought I thought you might that's why that's why the clue was was set up like that Um, but uh, but it's okay. We're we're not it up. We're going into the final question. Here we go. Which is

Which rat pack member with a notoriously gigantic hog? Mitch. I mean, this is not fair This just isn't fair to derrick. We've been joking about how dean martin has a huge hog You mean your guess your guess is your guess is dean martin. Yeah Oh, no, not dean martin. Oh, not day martin Here i'll read the i'll read the clue again, and i'll read the question. I know who it is Oh, I fucked up which which rat pack member with a notoriously gigantic hog said this quote Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy god damn it

sammy davis Not sammy davis jr. This ends in a tie. I know it is frank sanatra. It's old blue eyes frank sanatra I mean, I should have gotten that. I didn't think you get d martin sammy confused. Maybe sanatra, man Have you ever heard them at the palms? I mean, it is the most offensive shit. They were just so mean to sammy Yeah, it's really awful like and he was so much more talented Not that that gives you a right, but um, that's a great question. I never knew that Yeah, he said he has a uh, this is this is avogadner's quote about frank sanatra frank was only 110 pounds, but 10 pounds of it is cock

What wags loves to say that quote? It's a great quote I did it my way Where's my hat? That was slop quiz just like a restaurant value feedback. Let's open up the feedback and we have a voicemail today Let me get this going here Brian from Connecticut with a question about your funniest food moment The hot dog story from last week's feedback of the friend eating the hot dog reminded me at the top

I was at a late night greasy spoon for the friend Having a cheeseburger in front of me and a total stranger walked in sat down next to me Reached over grabbed my cheeseburger ate the whole thing without saying a word patted me on the back at the day Thanks, buddy walked out Uh, that might sound annoying, but to me and my friend it was the most hilarious thing that has ever happened So my question what are your all-time funniest food moments? Thanks guys That's a good question. I got cuckolded

Just like I went up and ate his cheeseburger in front of him just completely outfit And what a surprise that like most of our listeners he was into it. He was into that shit. Yeah He's on the hot wife subreddit This is a Brian from Connecticut funniest food moment, you know, you were talking uh grandparents earlier Derek and that made me think of a time my grandma and uh Who's uh, who's no longer with us, but my grandma joe my dad's mom Oh lovely woman amazing woman with a with a very hard life. Um, and uh

And always a delight to be around but I remember we were having a spaghetti dinner once And my grandma was like telling a story and as she was telling a story She took the salad dressing opened it up and then poured it over her spaghetti like her salad And didn't like realize she was doing it and then and just like just like watching her just like kind of casually do this Like she meant to Like it was just like we were like convulsing and laughter We couldn't believe that she was like she like she ruined her meal But it was just like it was

I don't know. I like like like that that she she it seemed like it was a thing She was trying to do and it clearly wasn't uh was just so so funny And this was like but this wasn't like she had dementia or was senile or anything Because she was much younger. Um, but it was just like such a An unexpected thing When that's what comes to mind when did she realize it? She realized it like as she finished the pour and went to put the cap back on she was just kind of like what did I do? Yeah

So yeah, that's that's what I immediately thought of was funny to our family at least There was that where there was a situation where my dad Shook up the maple syrup and my mom had only placed the cap back on and it went everywhere That's talked about a lot to this day. I mean, I've told you the thing of where my grandpa threw the full Happy meal in the fire before I've I've had there's there's been a lot of weird food stories I had or the the the uh The coax the coax spilling and my mom's car seat

crushing me her her Lincoln town car her the the the the the biggie size drink spilled and then The seat malfunctioned and started slowly moving forward and crushing me that was one I've told on here before Yeah, I can't think of any new ones, but I do know I remember when I was down in in Florida And uh with my with my friends family like I went down with Justin Kylie who why does you know? Very talented guy plays guitar on here listens to the show Uh, Justin appeared on the appear to the door on I think a lot of people thought he was flexed in for a long time Yes, but uh he uh

I remember went and I was like very much the millhouse in this scenario You know, you know when you're like on a fit like you go with a family and you feel like the millhouse Why because I know how right you you must know this feeling. I'm sure of it But uh, yeah, you're you're the plus one for a family vacation and you're and then you're the dud And yeah, I totally totally relate to that. I was yeah, I know I was I was for sure the the uh the millhouse and I remember Mrs. Kylie made like salads for all of us And there was blue cheese on it and I like didn't really eat blue cheese, but I was eating it And they were like Mike, what do you think because I was the first one to have it

And I was like it's pretty good and and I was like it's spicy And they were like, what do you mean it's spicy? I was like it's like spicy and then You know like they were like you're like this little millhouse thinks that blue house blue cheese is spicy and then the rest of them got their salads and then Everyone was like this is fucking like so hot and then mr. Kylie was like What did you make it with and he had made it with her like her is like He had like a he had a hot sauce recipe and she had put hot sauce in that was for like

His six pepper hot sauce like he had ranked it He had like a booklet where he'd ranked hot sauce and he made it he ranked at six peppers And it was the fucking hottest like everyone in the house had to fucking go and like Rinse their mouth out under the sink and I was like, uh, it was a little moment where like the little millhouse was right The little millhouse guy was right. I wasn't wrong. It was fucking spicy blue cheese dressing that I was that I that I've been that I've been eating Um, but I can't think I don't I've said all of the I've said all my food stories on here before I can't think uh I can't think of too much else I feel like all my food stories are me just being greedy and wanting like the last slice of pizza like a little fat fuck

They're all more embarrassing, right? oh Derek anything come to mind as a as a as a food related story that particularly tickled your your fancy I have two one that you know I had just heard that I have to share because that's I don't know look this story is not um me finding uh people not getting along Like I don't find that funny, you know, but um, my friend had a at a girlfriend at the time

and they had gotten into an argument and um when My friend went over to check on him to see how he was doing He was wiping He was he was wiping pizza off the walls Of like is everything okay In the scene someone's like yeah, it's fine and just like pepperoni like on the wall like Just I just that's my that shit will always tickle me

My my uh, I guess the one that comes to my it's funny and also tragic was that um It during the time of the invention of the arch deluxe I decided to take a gamble with the arch deluxe all my way back from ocean city, maryland with three friends and um You know, I got that text message your body sends you and so I said to the driver. I said amanda The next time there's an exit, uh, you mind stopping. Oh, yeah, sure. You're okay. Great. Thanks Turn up the counting crows again. Okay, great. Then like two seconds later. I'm like, okay. I'm taking my shirt off I'm really hot. I need you to pull over man. That's really bad

And she's like, okay. I will the next exit was like no just pull over and as she's like finally getting to an exit I jumped out of the car like I just there was I was just I I couldn't wait I got I jumped out of the car over a hill And down and did what I had to do and they're screaming at me Screaming at me and I'm like, you know, they're in hell. I'm in heaven, you know, and They're like Derek we're right in front of a school and they're all these people playing basketball And I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry. I mean look this is

It would have been worse if you didn't let me and that's happened me a bunch I remember one time too that happened and I ran into a mcdonald's and As I was going in the bathroom. I was like, oh, I'm so glad no one was in here And then I realized oh My brain went backwards of like there weren't any urinals in here I was like, oh my god. I'm in the women's bathroom. Yeah But I wasn't in trouble But sometimes yeah, sorry those are disgusting stories

But those are the first ones that come to mind of like all in the name of that's a bad food story That was uh, yeah, I I've definitely been in the the I've definitely had the wrong restroom revelation before mid, you know, the like the like mid You're in a situation where it's like, oh shit, you know, it's like uh Uh, this was in a hotel lobby and like I realized I was in the women's room. I was as I was in the middle of like, you know Was number two There was no one in there Oh, but it but then it turns into like a heist of like, oh god

I gotta fucking pull this off before someone catches me and then just like walking out of there is like my wife She can't find her wallet. My wife. Yeah Why why is this story? But when I worked one of my first jobs, you know, funny enough This was for a movie called um The trouble with romance Who that starred? Gavin Newsom's now wife. Jennifer. Wow. Yeah, she was the star of them recently recalled governor of california

Jesus christ Don't joke about that because it's probably gonna happen. It's like when you called that hillary was gonna be president. Um uh so I was I was working on that set and there was only one bathroom I've told this story before on the podcast. I know I have and I went so I stopped by a burger king and there was a men's room a woman's room and then a uh a handicap accessible bathroom And the men's room was out of order

And so I went into the handicap accessible bathroom and like two minutes into it I Got a knock on the door and I was like fuck this sucks and I had like a terrible stomach ache and I left and wags knows this but Uh, I pretended to limp as I was walking out of the handicap bathroom to do anything at all to say that I was like had any use of using this bathroom which doesn't matter and then The late there was an old woman outside of the restroom

And she said are you gonna help me come go? She said I need your help to go in And then I I then I just dropped the whole gimmick. I stopped limping And I and I grabbed her by the arm and I held the door open and she walked in and she went. Oh, it stinks. She said that In my face Just a combination of three things Just destroyed me like a guy like that is that to me is my worst nightmare is anyone going into the bathroom after me Oh, yeah, no, but there's a old lady Who called me where he just whispered like I have a limp

Haha It stinks. Yeah She told me it stinks. It's old lady no longer with us. I'm sure but A very a very funny old lady and now she smells like shit. Sorry. Yeah, she probably afterwards And to this day that's her ironic punishment in Hades Um How often the funniest food moment ends up turning into the Funniest shit moment. Yeah, like it's just like it's actually these are actually these food stories or shit stories

But that happens sometimes. I hit us up with yours Tell us your your funny food story the funny one to you personally hashtag donut salad. Let's get that trending Why as I asked a mic is I said do you remember a funny food moment because I panicked when I heard this Yeah, and he said aside from your perpetually sauce stained face. I can't think of one off the top of my head so I I have always I vote in middle school people always just say that I had like a pasta sauce stain on my like on my upper lip Uh, when I was a boy, which is which is fair. I I did that's all right. I don't it doesn't bother me anymore Now I got a mustache to cover it up. Yeah, uh, you're smart. Yeah, Derek

Derek water is a great. What an honor to have you here and also I gotta say great great to have you When I was first at ucb Uh, Derek and simon was uh, was was a very funny web series and we both had worked. We both worked with uh with bob The old okey dokey kirk The okey dokey. Yeah That's uh, that's what uh, uh, what's his name called him? What's his name likes? The Dennis miller Dennis miller. Oh, yeah I called into Dennis miller's radio show and it was like a horrible segment

Um, when we were promoting birthday boys And like you could tell that he was like so bored with me immediately But I told him that I was working on a show with bob odenkirk and he's like how's okey dokey kirk doing That's what he said okey dokey kirk. Oh man. That's perfect I always wonder like when I hear adam sandler talk about bob odenkirk. He calls him odie and i'm like, yeah You can't know bob odenkirk if you look at him be like, yeah, that's odie It's like he's just not right odie

He's not odie at all Maybe you're like garfy. I don't know why you're yeah, you're gonna call him that But think about ahead of time you guys were with uh, the too many shows bit. Do you know what I mean? Like Oh, wow, we have great sketch. You know what I mean? That's a great sketch and that just like Now everyone says that but that was at the beginning of that there were too many because there was a time when we were kids Where there were four to seven television shows Yeah, right, but that was so good. I wrote that interstitial We did those weird interstitial

long sketches and that that that is uh That's one I that I that I that I wrote but uh, bob was great That was a mitchell and bob is bob is on the mend and we're wishing him uh We're wishing him wishing him health. He's doing he's doing all right. I texted him a thing Saying that we were thinking about him. He gave me a thumbs up. So he's he's he's doing all right Did he send back a thumbs up emoji or did he just thumbs up the text? He thumbs up reacted to the text It was it was a very in a great bob way or a few days later. I mean like he he was on I'm sure he got one million messages and he's on the mend, right

I was petrified also because the situation where You know when someone passed away, you're like, what was the last text I'd sent and the last text that I'd sent him Was like I'm back home with my family. We're watching Nobody for the second time like and I was I was like, oh fuck. This really does seem like Like a bite and he's like, yeah, I'd like to make a sequel and I'm like, oh no Does this really feel like this is the last thing? But then he talked to me. He's like, oh, it's great. He doesn't remember it Which yeah for me, I would want to remember it. So I'm like, how do I not ever get back to that?

But I can't imagine what that's like Yeah, he's doing all right. Great to hear great news On bob. Hey, if you have a question or comment up at the world of chain restaurants, you email us at doewayspodcast at gmail.com Or leave us a voicemail 830. Doe that's 830 4636 844 and to get the doe boys double our weekly bonus episode join the golden or platinum Play club at patreon.com Slash doe boys and you know, we're talking through Talking through a bunch of talking about a bunch of people of the of the similar generation Just now but as of we're recording this so we got the news recently that uh, norm mcdonald passed away

Legend, I think one of the you know, we would all consider him one of the funniest people of our lifetimes and just a really really uh Really sad news. So sorry to hear that The funniest Yeah, yeah, I think I think maybe a younger generation maybe just like knows him as a twitter crank But I think for people of like kind of our generation is just like he was just an enormously influential And uh, extremely specifically funny stand up Yeah, and if you don't know that much about him, uh, go to youtube and watch the best timing ever recorded anywhere It is the best timing and it you search norm mcdonald

conan character Yes, it's great or uh, uh, what's her name courtney thorn courtney thorn spot. That is the best timing You should believe this but the box office poison Yeah, it's so well that and then when he comes up with chairman of the board Yeah, I don't want to give it away, but I also always remember uh him doing weekend update and um number two on the billboard Uh this week better than ezra and number one ezra

He was I I got this I went and saw sandler's tour And I got to see him do stand up, but I never seen him do stand up Live before and he was and he was so so so so funny But derrick, I I hate I hate to try to push you into this, but you told us a really funny story Uh before the start would you mind sharing it again because it was really no not at all Yeah, well, I've always loved him since siren allied. That's how I was introduced to him and um, I was very lucky to um Uh, right with him work with him on the sport show norm mcdonald's sport show and

I was very excited to tell him the first time we had met was in an audition And I was 21 or 22 when this had happened and I was so excited to meet him And I think he could just feel that energy coming from me And so when I met him working with him, I said, I think he fucked with me when I was a kid But I didn't really realize you were fucking with me till now and he's like, oh, yeah, what do I do? Like I in this room and I go Oh, man, I'm a huge fan and you just go, uh, well, uh Is it true what I hear about you on these streets?

And I go, I don't I don't know what what have you heard about me and you go, uh Well, uh rumor is you're gonna be the next deadly more And I I was like, oh man, I love deadly more. How's he doing and norm goes, uh, well, he's dead now, but he was real good All right, you want to start your audition and it was just so cool A for that experience where I genuinely was like mom norm thinks I'm going to be the next deadly more You know and then to get older and then realize what he was doing and then to tell him and he just couldn't stop laughing But yeah, the stories I just think there was something he could never

He could never say anything that it wasn't funny, you know and spotting things like Otherwise, that always a shallow grave, you know when they bury someone's like, why do they uh Make it a little deeper than a shallow grave It always take them to a remote area I don't know just as uh, you know It was a thing of talking like he was just good at talking and for your listeners that are like, oh I want some other norm things norm mcdonald did this fucking show on youtube with super david And it was the very first one him and adam agate

Did this show norm mcdonald show and the first one they do is with super david bob einstein now they're together And the it is just have you guys ever seen it? Yes, I've never watched it. No, it's a beautiful train wreck. I mean, it's a configuration train wreck of like Super david's just asking like, why are you doing this normally? I don't know. It's what I'm told. I'm supposed to do That one and the billy the billy bob thorton one is really great Um, I mean all all things norm Yeah, rest in peace to one of the funniest He's he's our rip all clips he could watch all day. I think uh, you know start watching one. You'll keep watching them

Derek waters. Thank you so much for being here. Anything you would like to plug it this time Oh, I'll be on the dough boys podcast Come hear me hear me loud That'll do it for this episode of dough boys until next time for mr. Slice Mike Mitchell. I'm nick weigher happy eating. See ya On the next dough boys double Tyra male Except it's dough boys instead of tyra you song lu returns to help meet your cues with our a's It's another biggie sized feedback only at patreon.com slash dough boys

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